Forum logs for 15 Feb 2016
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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| asciilifeform | does pywallet actually work with trb ? | [00:15] |
| asciilifeform | for anybody ? | [00:15] |
| asciilifeform | i get 'ERROR:root:Couldn't open wallet.dat/main.' | [00:16] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54350 @ 0.0005586 = 30.3599 BTC [-] {2} | [00:17] |
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| trinque | asciilifeform: funkenstein's patches applied to bitcoind patched with the 99996 script for me | [00:39] |
| trinque | I saw the same error with pywallet | [00:39] |
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| asciilifeform | to pick up a thread from yesterday, re: rf shields that pass light, | [00:58] |
| asciilifeform | in my collection of junk there is an apple wireless keyboard thing | [00:59] |
| asciilifeform | it has a power led that shines through the aluminum chassis | [00:59] |
| asciilifeform | (the latter has microscopic holes lasered in it, in a circle pattern approx. the size of a printed period) | [00:59] |
| asciilifeform | this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. | [01:00] |
| asciilifeform | (would have to laser a few million holes) | [01:00] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71391 @ 0.0005586 = 39.879 BTC [-] | [01:05] |
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| mod6 | asciilifeform: yeah, that pywallet thing is hairy, but i did eventually get it to work | [01:12] |
| mod6 | i'll log my usage next time i use it. | [01:12] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125954 @ 0.00055895 = 70.402 BTC [+] {2} | [01:13] |
| deedbot- | [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'No' - AlphaGo will defeat Lee Sedol overall in March 2016 match - http://bitbet.us/bet/1249/alphago-will-defeat-lee-sedol-overall-in-march/#b17 | [01:21] |
| asciilifeform | aaaah finally. | [01:21] |
| mod6 | i think i had to do a -rescan too | [01:24] |
| kakobrekla | the easiest is to pull wallet from backup :) | [01:24] |
| asciilifeform | funnily enough, the malleators got to it first. | [01:29] |
| asciilifeform | interestingly, immediately while i sent the double. | [01:29] |
| asciilifeform | (is there some principle whereby they would wait until i do ? why ?) | [01:29] |
| ben_vulpes | polarbeard: i *will* however read through several hundred lines of deletion | [01:55] |
| ben_vulpes | before i confirm your work, please tell me how you determined that these were all unused? | [01:55] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96200 @ 0.00055633 = 53.5189 BTC [-] {2} | [02:00] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 278814 @ 0.0005593 = 155.9407 BTC [+] {2} | [02:09] |
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| deedbot- | [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What else have you “come to expect” from your stock exchange? - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/14/what-else-have-you-come-to-expect-from-your-stock-exchange/ | [02:49] |
| ben_vulpes | front running, primarily | [02:54] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39890 @ 0.00055835 = 22.2726 BTC [+] {2} | [04:29] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86550 @ 0.00056042 = 48.5044 BTC [+] {2} | [05:24] |
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| punkman | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca9FJ9LWIAESaBy.jpg:large | [06:04] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/244JvDW ) | [06:04] |
| punkman | https://twitter.com/GLOCKInc/status/698962783979712512 | [06:05] |
| punkman | http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/ | [06:27] |
| assbot | The siege of Herbalife - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/244KZy2 ) | [06:27] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 385700 @ 0.0005651 = 217.9591 BTC [+] {3} | [06:28] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.00319579 = 2.3968 BTC [-] {9} | [06:38] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 750 @ 0.0028335 = 2.1251 BTC [-] {4} | [06:57] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20978 @ 0.00056398 = 11.8312 BTC [-] | [07:00] |
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| thestringpuller | !v assbot:thestringpuller.rate.Pierre_Rochard.-1:2cb629256734cb1067a0a8ccdb658802966d720c6bde348f040848156d25442c | [07:16] |
| assbot | Successfully updated the rating for Pierre_Rochard from 2 to -1 with note: "Yesterday's ally becomes today's opposition." - Wants to be vocal, and hide in the shadows. | [07:16] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29050 @ 0.00055364 = 16.0832 BTC [-] | [07:25] |
| davout | jurov: X.EUR MM bot is back. | [07:26] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 150550 @ 0.00055308 = 83.2662 BTC [-] {2} | [07:32] |
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| adlai | punkman: good link. now when is ackman shorting b[,tmsr~]? | [07:59] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132950 @ 0.00055091 = 73.2435 BTC [-] {4} | [08:01] |
| * | adlai has stopped telling people that bitcoin is not 'network marketed', i mean it is digital money, runs on networks, flows in tubes (both parallel, and series of) | [08:07] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82468 @ 0.00055653 = 45.8959 BTC [+] {2} | [08:22] |
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| adlai | !v assbot:adlai.rate.mircea_popescu.10:c26b82ee97b4c01a90dc0229cacda535bc552cd9572b13d759a9554d0fe4f39d | [08:28] |
| assbot | Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 7 to 10 with note: I have received more coin from Mircea than I have sent him (indirectly, respectively, directly - respectfully) | [08:28] |
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| adlai | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403699 << huh, same. let's hope it's not contagious | [08:33] |
| assbot | Logged on 12-02-2016 17:35:04; asciilifeform: but i think i spent more of my life adlaiing than not | [08:33] |
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| adlai | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-02-2016#1403712 << "So I believe that even my master, when he spoke of the simple, was using a rather simple concept." http://www.obooksbooks.com/2015/4115_142.html | [08:38] |
| assbot | Logged on 12-02-2016 17:44:17; trinque: to be a simpleton... one will die either way. | [08:38] |
| assbot | The Name of the Rose(142) by Umberto Eco, William - Free Best Novels ... ( http://bit.ly/20VztFX ) | [08:38] |
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| jurov | davout ty! | [08:45] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48400 @ 0.00056279 = 27.239 BTC [-] | [09:26] |
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| * | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [10:15] |
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| * | assbot gives voice to mircea_popescu | [10:18] |
| asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405999 >> https://fortunedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/her09-15_b_lo-res2.jpg?quality=80 << l0l, 2x eizo 'colouredge' !111 | [10:20] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 09:23:41; punkman: http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/the-siege-of-herbalife/ | [10:20] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/20VI6As ) | [10:20] |
| asciilifeform | (can anybody identify the kbd ?) | [10:20] |
| asciilifeform | platinum toilets ftw! | [10:20] |
| mircea_popescu | it's so bizarre that the usg doesn't embrace herbalife. yes all the arguments against it are solid, but they cut just as much against say, apple. google. | [10:21] |
| mircea_popescu | they're all herbalifes. | [10:21] |
| asciilifeform | (they are not true iridium toilets because i can identify them visually) | [10:21] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: where's the consumer direct-sale chumpatron in, e.g., apple ? | [10:21] |
| asciilifeform | last i checked, they didn't offer 'get ipnohe for selling five' | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu | doh ? | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu | "get to be an iphone's worth of cool by telling all your friends" ? | [10:22] |
| asciilifeform | then mercedes is also pyramid ? | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu | if apple isn't direct-marketed then what is ? and what's an apple fan ? | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu | notrly. mercedes is sold by poor beta muslim boys telling each other THEY WOULD buy one | [10:22] |
| mircea_popescu | not by pete telling them to buy one. | [10:23] |
| mircea_popescu | heck, who knows, maybe ackerman's mping all over "classic" finance, started with the easier to lance boil. | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform | by this notion all consumer crud is 'direct market' | [10:25] |
| asciilifeform | but the traditional definition remains, does chump take money from chump. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu | i think that definition was never stated as such. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu | does chump BENEFIT from chump. yes, he does. | [10:26] |
| asciilifeform | if chump sends the new chump on his merry way to the crapple store, we have a scam, sure, but how is it 'mlm' ? | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu | and by this definition all consumer crud IS IN FACT consumer crud. which yes. it is. | [10:26] |
| mircea_popescu | i would sya it is. | [10:26] |
| asciilifeform | where are the hierarchical levels then ? | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu | ... | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu | they worship steve, don't they ? why ? | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu | becauyse of the frustrated mlm need. | [10:27] |
| asciilifeform | (i.e. what would be an advanced crapple pusher, vs rank-and-file) | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu | just because they're not lame as fguck about it, going telloing kids what the levels "should be" doesn't mean they don't exist. | [10:27] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65300 @ 0.00056101 = 36.634 BTC [-] | [10:27] |
| mircea_popescu | you realise crapple only hires salespeople from the fanbase yes ? | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform | can mircea_popescu give example of the levels ? | [10:28] |
| mircea_popescu | steve ; everyone else is already levels. | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform | the crapple salesmen are wage labourers | [10:28] |
| asciilifeform | afaik they get no commission. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu | not fully. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu | they get less than they'd ask for to deliver the same work, if they weren't in the apple ml. | [10:29] |
| mircea_popescu | mlm* | [10:29] |
| asciilifeform | any public evidence that they are paid below market rate for other clerks ? | [10:30] |
| asciilifeform | by how much ? | [10:30] |
| mircea_popescu | they're not making comission, right ? fifth avenue equiv poshness job working chicks ARE. | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu | and they also have to be this tall and this booby and this slutty | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu | and just like the apple shitheads, they have to spend this % of their income on storep roducts | [10:31] |
| asciilifeform | folks working in ~shops~ somewhere make commission ? | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu | where 200 < this < 1500 or so | [10:31] |
| mircea_popescu | yep. | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu | fuck more hotties, wouldja! | [10:32] |
| asciilifeform | l0l | [10:32] |
| asciilifeform | wake me up when they start making ones with faces. | [10:32] |
| * | asciilifeform bbl | [10:32] |
| mircea_popescu | typical airhead 5foot11 blondi that doesn't college and doesn't straight callgirl moves to pretentious store to sell perfume and designer clothes on comission. | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu | and buys "worth" about 5x what she earns | [10:33] |
| mircea_popescu | and is taken on "training" to various hotels where she is expected to fuck the "senior management" and she gladly complies. because hey. | [10:33] |
| BingoBoingo | [10:51] | |
| BingoBoingo | Same for people a few stalls down selling phones, calendars, etc | [10:52] |
| mircea_popescu | the attempt to waitress-ify all consumer facing jobs is long in the tooth. | [10:52] |
| BingoBoingo | http://ohnotheydidnt.livejournal.com/100319340.html << Marshall Long style Eatbeast scammzor | [10:55] |
| BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: To be fair this was 07-08 and base pay was above minimum wage. No idea if it still would be | [10:55] |
| mircea_popescu | no idea if minimum wage would still be meaningful, either. | [10:56] |
| BingoBoingo | But this was also back when floor space for the kiosk was $5000/month no idea where that has gone, but likely down. | [10:57] |
| mircea_popescu | prolly. | [10:58] |
| BingoBoingo | In other news https://archive.is/4FvjC | [11:00] |
| assbot | 100 Best-Selling, Most Prescribed Branded Drugs Through March ... ( http://bit.ly/2453GS7 ) | [11:00] |
| BingoBoingo | A lot of insulins on that list | [11:01] |
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| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. | [17:02] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 03:56:29; asciilifeform: this kind of thing would be an expensive but very decent display-shield. | [17:02] |
| mircea_popescu | and THAT can be nickel, or anodized zinc or w/e the fuck you feel like. | [17:02] |
| asciilifeform | and altschuller tells us how to 'cheat in wolf form' and make this without any lasering. | [17:03] |
| asciilifeform | (he wrote this before laser was available to su industry at all) | [17:03] |
| mircea_popescu | aha. | [17:03] |
| asciilifeform | (answer: cast metal into mold containing fibers, which disintegrate but not immediately. instant holes.) | [17:04] |
| mircea_popescu | due to the low power consumption of modern displays, this really can just be the mount. | [17:04] |
| asciilifeform | aha | [17:04] |
| asciilifeform | also one can make a 'poorfag' version using pcb vias | [17:05] |
| asciilifeform | (solid copper - heavy-gauge pcb; many vias; mount surface mount led opposite side; attach pcb-mounted shield to led side) | [17:06] |
| asciilifeform | for extra points, have two or more layers of this, ~where the holes don't line up~. how does the light pass? sheet of glass between! partial internal reflection. | [17:09] |
| mircea_popescu | i almost wouldn't even need my "run gamma at 40%" thing | [17:10] |
| asciilifeform | essentially one is making 'notch filter at terahertz' metamaterial. | [17:10] |
| asciilifeform | as in, pass light but not 'radio' | [17:10] |
| mircea_popescu | moreover, given the technology of making cds | [17:11] |
| mircea_popescu | one should probably just make a cd based filter | [17:11] |
| asciilifeform | as in pressed hologram ? | [17:12] |
| asciilifeform | would work, but a bit thin | [17:13] |
| asciilifeform | would be interesting to compare to the indium thing, e.g., http://hollandshielding.com/231-EMI%20shielded%20glass | [17:15] |
| assbot | EMI/RFI Shielded Glass 9600 serie | Excellent EMI/RFI shielding performance ... ( http://bit.ly/1Vhxyod ) | [17:15] |
| asciilifeform | or hm, is this still the mesh foil. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the other consideration is that JUST LIKE WITH a cipher... there could be hidden key in there., | [17:16] |
| asciilifeform | waiwut | [17:17] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98300 @ 0.00056232 = 55.2761 BTC [-] | [17:17] |
| asciilifeform | https://www.pgo-online.com/intl/katalog/ito.html << claims to sell the real thing, indium glass | [17:18] |
| assbot | ITO coated glass | ITO-coating on glass substrates | CTO ... ( http://bit.ly/1VhxQvl ) | [17:18] |
| asciilifeform | ... key ? | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you know, "this shield is passible to X frequency" | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu | check it out jurov ! indium glass! | [17:18] |
| * | mircea_popescu does a little dance of being a rightful asshole. | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: realize that this would be a greater marvel than washington building a magical ray to give us both ballsack cancer | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: you are staring at indium glass right now | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform | it is how your lcd conducts... | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu | nevermind! | [17:19] |
| asciilifeform | l0l | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu | ikr ? | [17:20] |
| asciilifeform | quite. | [17:20] |
| * | asciilifeform pictures some usg pit developing a grease, of snot-like consistency, to fluoresce in rf, to slather on victim's lcd while he sleeps | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform | ... or paint wall of hotel with | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform | or the like. | [17:23] |
| asciilifeform | laugh, but with 'oled' display, 'optical tempest' can come back | [17:24] |
| deedbot- | [Qntra] 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances - http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/ | [17:24] |
| asciilifeform | e.g., if thing has any pattern in the redraw, not necessarily crt-like raster | [17:24] |
| mircea_popescu | "Scalia was found with a pillow over his head wearing unwrinkled pajamas (archived). " o.O | [17:25] |
| BingoBoingo | Came out today, turned the thing into news | [17:26] |
| asciilifeform | vintage mega-lulz re: herr scalia, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296440 , http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-11-2015#1328006 | [17:26] |
| assbot | Logged on 11-10-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: this is where scalia's magical formula comes into play | [17:26] |
| assbot | Logged on 20-11-2015 01:55:31; asciilifeform: 'you got due process, now stfu and sizzle in the electric chair' -- scalia | [17:26] |
| BingoBoingo | Guess this is the Classi, with a dick on the C fucking the a in the assi, version of zipping self into duffelbag in the tub | [17:26] |
| mircea_popescu | guy was pretty old... | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu | what was he, 70something ? | [17:27] |
| BingoBoingo | Only 75 | [17:27] |
| BingoBoingo | Young for a Justice of the Surpreme COurt | [17:28] |
| BingoBoingo | 30 years on the bench and he was still one of the younger ones | [17:28] |
| BingoBoingo | But it's normal for people dying of natural causes in their sleep to struggle a bit. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu | curious who obama appoints now. | [17:30] |
| BingoBoingo | No one's talking Preet yet | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu | i guess the obama section of democrats are resigned to losing to the other one, or else they wouldn't be running around with this sort of crap. | [17:31] |
| BingoBoingo | Yeah | [17:34] |
| BingoBoingo | Turns out the only democratic party segments Clitler appeals to are old women and people who directly trade favors with the Clinton establishment | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu | old women are one of the most horrible bases to build government onto. | [17:35] |
| mircea_popescu | seems unavoidable for the us. | [17:35] |
| BingoBoingo | Yeah | [17:36] |
| asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: can hardly wait, preet as chief-justice, already salivating | [17:37] |
| asciilifeform | perhaps a 50% opendefecation rate is achievable before next election! | [17:38] |
| BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: He seems like a clear Senate veto for his history of persecuting elected officials. More likely he'll be the Bernie Sanders Attorney General | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu | bharara has no political future anymore than that guy deleted out of stalin's picture did. | [17:39] |
| mircea_popescu | the political future belongs to the current 15 yo who grew up during bharara's days | [17:40] |
| BingoBoingo | But asciilifeform They are floating around the names of other loyal Indians | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu | and is consequently even more of a heel than his father could ever have been | [17:40] |
| jurov | omg shielding lcd with metamaterial... | [17:42] |
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| jurov | what about proper lowpass filters for lcd signals... | [17:43] |
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| asciilifeform | at any rate, preet is not a playing character, but a reflection of lizard will. a freisler. | [17:53] |
| jurov | aw, tvtropeswent full bootstrap.. my eyes hurt | [17:53] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: i always found it interesting that you can't get display cable ~optic~ | [17:53] |
| asciilifeform | (afaik) | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform | even though it would be, in all likelihood, ~cheaper~ to make | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform | (no need for shield, for example) | [17:54] |
| jurov | why cheaper? | [17:54] |
| jurov | judging from optical usb extenders, it's not | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform | no copper | [17:54] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: because, again, the ~extender~ is an active circuit | [17:55] |
| asciilifeform | and made in quite low volume | [17:55] |
| asciilifeform | i am speaking of: why the everliving fuck is the gpu connected to the lcd with anything other than a single strand of fiber. | [17:55] |
| mircea_popescu | because fiber needs terminators and doesn't take well to damage. | [17:56] |
| BingoBoingo | https://i.imgur.com/IuixMHN.jpg | [17:56] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1oko29R ) | [17:56] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: terminators !? | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform | nein | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform | you must be confusing it with copper coax | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform | and have you tried bending copper dvi cable ? | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform | 'takes well to damage' is not a thing | [17:57] |
| mircea_popescu | hm | [17:57] |
| asciilifeform | and no consumer ever repairs a cable, wtf | [17:58] |
| jurov | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TOSLINK pediwikia says consumer optic cables have high attenuation and still fragile | [17:59] |
| assbot | TOSLINK - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ocy01x ) | [17:59] |
| asciilifeform | so high that three metres is too long ?! | [17:59] |
| mircea_popescu | optic cables are more fragile than anything found in derp house. | [17:59] |
| asciilifeform | soo? he bends, buys another. | [18:00] |
| asciilifeform | learns not to bend. | [18:00] |
| asciilifeform | just as chumpers learned not to drop ipnohe. | [18:00] |
| BingoBoingo | In my experience it is same people who drop pnohe that repeat that mistake indefinitely | [18:01] |
| jurov | also, to have gigabit 4K bandwidth, you need singlemode fiber. and that has much more expensive connectors | [18:01] |
| jurov | defon not consumer stuff | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu | i don't think you understand this whole "Consumer" thing all too well. | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu | learns ? what the fuck is wrong with you. | [18:02] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 'learns' in the circus sense. the lions that did not learn, went for bear food | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu | heh | [18:03] |
| asciilifeform | (in what other sense do konsoomerz learn.) | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | in no sense. | [18:03] |
| jurov | i happen to prefer cables that are't sensitive to get pinched inadvertently | [18:04] |
| asciilifeform | so don't pinch! | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu | i suspect that's the operational difference. yes you can't really bend sharply a dtvi cable. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu | nevertheless, you CAN put a heavy item on it. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu | not so with optics. | [18:04] |
| asciilifeform | i'd like the cable that can be 1km long and doesn't radiate, plox | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform buy fiber, not like it's sold by permit. | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: aha but plug into what. | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform | where is the fiber gpu ? | [18:05] |
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| asciilifeform | fiber lcd ? | [18:05] |
| jurov | solder a photodoiode | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu | terminators are like a coupla k's each | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: and radiate like hell | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu | ... | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform | because connected to pc with guess what! normal cable. | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu | doh ? | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform | aha | [18:05] |
| asciilifeform | so wtf's the use | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu | dude, you are the one that said, and i quote, |
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| mircea_popescu | then tujrns out that's not what you wantg. | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform | (also they all have ludicrous res limit) | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: it isn't 'doesn't radiate' if you need a terminator plugged with normal copper, that does | [18:06] |
| jurov | and do you have tempest computer case already? | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform | and again, the converter box imposes idiot limits on res/refresh | [18:06] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: this is not hard | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform | it is peripherals which are tricky | [18:07] |
| asciilifeform | hence the thread. | [18:07] |
| mircea_popescu | ima bow out of this convo. | [18:07] |
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| asciilifeform | a replacement controller pcb for ibm keyboard that does 'toslink' instead of ps/2, i would buy. | [18:08] |
| asciilifeform | would jurov ? | [18:08] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu ? | [18:09] |
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| mircea_popescu | notrly. | [18:09] |
| jurov | maaybe if the keyboard was shielded, too | [18:09] |
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| jurov | best if both em and acoustically | [18:09] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: it is possible to make a trivial mod that obviates the need for shielding the scan matrix | [18:09] |
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| asciilifeform | the answer: | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform | include rng. | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform | thinkaboutit | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform | presently there is a predictable row/column scan pattern | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform | which is why you can 'hear' a pc keyboard from 30+ metres. | [18:10] |
| asciilifeform | anyway iirc we had this thread some time before. | [18:11] |
| jurov | yes. but how would toslink help there | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406125 << this is actually quite an important point. | [18:11] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 16:04:22; trinque: shinohai: I mean specifically that they see all things as prohibited, aside exceptions you "get to" | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu | da fuck is this "get to" nonsense. | [18:11] |
| jurov | does the 1,5m usb cable radiate so much? | [18:11] |
| asciilifeform | btw, further thread necromancy, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-02-2016#1399548 << this is misguided, no one goes around with stereotypical 'black van' any longer, the gear is pocket-sized (knapsack at the most) | [18:12] |
| assbot | Logged on 08-02-2016 00:13:06; mircea_popescu: sure. i've been hoping to do some snuff videos of "operatives" caught with gear for years now. | [18:12] |
| asciilifeform | even nazis had 'gurtelpeiler' | [18:12] |
| asciilifeform | jurov yes | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu | better make sure it fits in ass | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu | cuz that's exactly where it's going. repeatedly. | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: reminds me of 'file off that front sight' | [18:13] |
| asciilifeform | (traditional ru greeting to fella with bad aim) | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu | aha. | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu | the point remains : acquiring and defending sovereignity, cheaper than trying to perfect anonimity. | [18:14] |
| asciilifeform | anyway if the 'ant catalogue' (per snowden2) is to be believed, it ~does~ fit in arse... | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu | from this fundamental inequality all things follow, such as god fucking help you if you try to play the field agent with me. | [18:14] |
| shinohai | !rate asciilifeform 2 trb and general wizard, slayer of enemies of the Republic both foreign and domestic. | [18:14] |
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| asciilifeform | l0l | [18:15] |
| jurov | replacing of usb cables with proper shielding might get the stuff done and easier to do than optic | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov at the rate he's going, the only sane aproach is to redo the wallpaper, in mesh. | [18:16] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: you will find that good shielding is tricky, you get leakage over the supply rail | [18:17] |
| BingoBoingo | Nah, solid steel walls catch more spectrum | [18:17] |
| mircea_popescu | which incidentally is exactly how this problem is approached profesionally, insulate a room. | [18:17] |
| asciilifeform | and over the ground (which, as mircea_popescu likes to remind us, has an impedance) | [18:17] |
| BingoBoingo | room inside a room | [18:17] |
| jurov | so supply it with battery | [18:17] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: before very long, fiber looks cheap | [18:18] |
| jurov | "looks" | [18:18] |
| asciilifeform | certainly compared to 'faraday room' | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu | why is faraday room expensive ? aluminum siding, legitimate industree. | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu | no mlm at all! | [18:19] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i, like everybody else, know how to solve the problem expensively. | [18:19] |
| asciilifeform | i was discussing how it could be solved inexpensively. | [18:19] |
| shinohai | !rate mircea_popescu 2 Esteemed cult leader and bitcoin expert. Have learned much from reading his offerings. | [18:19] |
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| jurov | and optocouplers leak nothing? | [18:19] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: shielding a cm^2 thing is cheap? | [18:19] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform no, you know how to solve the problem but don't want to because not enough engineering involved. | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: being able to build anything whatsoever room-scale is a 'not for poorfag' thing | [18:20] |
| shinohai | !v assbot:shinohai.rate.mircea_popescu.2:158d41f25082a2cd2a832c0c2945b4807b2b877076ea81a5f27390f4899e1c57 | [18:20] |
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| mircea_popescu | much like say a social worker would be "oh, this solution doesn't provide work for enough social workers" | [18:20] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: no, it is 'this solution requires money' | [18:20] |
| mircea_popescu | mno. | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform | say i want machine that does not radiate, ~under the open sky~ | [18:21] |
| asciilifeform | because unlike mircea_popescu , i do not have a mobile aluminum dirigible cabin. | [18:22] |
| mircea_popescu | would you stop trying to support this insane lifestyle of "i need laptop" ? | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform | note, it is an entirely legit thing, to design for dirigible, for reactor. but i do not have these things. so i don't design for them. | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu | it is not a way to live. | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu | it already forces you to eat from the latrine. | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if you even knew what other things i do that are 'no way to live' | [18:23] |
| mircea_popescu | you'll never have a good laptop. it is not possible. | [18:23] |
| asciilifeform | was possible in 1995 | [18:24] |
| asciilifeform | ergo still is. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu | you'll also not have easy, meaningless sex with random women that you enjoy. and you won't be able to eat from garbage cans and always find exactly what you wanted to find in there. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu | the solution to these faux problems is always the same, "don't want very much". which will make random offering perfectly fine. | [18:24] |
| mircea_popescu | but then you don't want to be a mouse. | [18:24] |
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| jurov | !up dooglus | [18:26] |
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| jurov | btw, your brain leaks, too | [18:26] |
| asciilifeform | jurov: go and pick it up. | [18:27] |
| asciilifeform | (pretty sure 'squid' still requires shaving heads, a mm or so max) | [18:27] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: fact is, i'm not a mircea_popescu , and i design and build out of materials that i can have , rather than what i would have if i were a mircea_popescu . | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu | this is not properly called "designing". | [18:30] |
| mircea_popescu | "we don't have iron, so we make swords of the reeds we have" is not sense. | [18:30] |
| jurov | if you can't design yourself, don't tell us it would be cheap | [18:31] |
| mircea_popescu | jurov "they don't succeed at making money, but that's secondary - they succeed at feeling like a trader". | [18:31] |
| BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2016/02/4th-amendment-champion-dies-under-uncertain-circumstances/#comment-46429 | [18:34] |
| assbot | 4th Amendment Champion Dies Under Uncertain Circumstances | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oktGZB ) | [18:34] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 187150 @ 0.00056093 = 104.978 BTC [-] {7} | [18:39] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406186 << notrealy. the other ingredient is never beating the kids. | [18:41] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:03:19; asciilifeform: that'd be a global plague, affecting all fat & comfortable folks everywhere ? | [18:41] |
| mircea_popescu | which is a peculiar weird of the us/canada. | [18:41] |
| shinohai | BingoBoingo: Shouldn't line read "cessation of continued heart beats" ? | [18:42] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406191 << that's not it. some people have WHOM TO PROVE THEOREMS TO! | [18:43] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:04:21; asciilifeform: it suggests that erdos was right, most people 'have no theorems to prove', the idiot social stotting game ~is~ the point of living, to them. | [18:43] |
| mircea_popescu | most people just scream into a void. | [18:43] |
| adlai | this is why markets are excellent... they're the dissertation committee that never goes home | [18:44] |
| mircea_popescu | or ever makes any sense. | [18:45] |
| mircea_popescu | ask newton if he more enjoyed his time with the euro jet set that recognized the lion by his claw ; or with the domestic merchant class that drove the south sea bubble. | [18:45] |
| adlai | eh, markets make sense quite often, trouble is milking out the sense before the market understands itself | [18:46] |
| adlai | (change-class goban 'ouija) | [18:47] |
| mircea_popescu | "making sense quite often" is like the cipher that mostly works lol | [18:48] |
| asciilifeform | l0l | [18:50] |
| adlai | on a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everycipher drops to mostly | [18:50] |
| asciilifeform | me ok i'll bite! | [18:51] |
| asciilifeform | to ~whom~ does perelman prove ? | [18:51] |
| adlai | if you're better at quantifying how much sense a market's making to you, than other traders, then you stand to earn more, more often, than them. | [18:51] |
| adlai | even without "understanding" it in any deterministic sense | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform which is why he doesn't. | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu | he has no friends. | [18:51] |
| mircea_popescu | that's the fucking thing there. "some people have no theorems to prove ; most people have no friends that'd know a proof" | [18:52] |
| * | adlai goes back to slinging conses, because he's "not good enough to sling dope" | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu | i didn't go to school every morning i knew the other kids would show up because "i had theorems to prove" | [18:52] |
| mircea_popescu | i went because when we were all together it was pretty cool. | [18:52] |
| adlai | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqNTltOGh5c | [18:53] |
| assbot | Miles Davis - So What - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1okwJ43 ) | [18:54] |
| * | asciilifeform grasps where mircea_popescu is going with this | [18:54] |
| mircea_popescu | ahaha check that out kakobrekla bitbet is nao famous. | [18:54] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the lulzy part is that my misfired 5b played a part in this | [18:55] |
| mircea_popescu | pretty lulzy. nicely done :) | [18:55] |
| * | mircea_popescu is tempted to bet himself now. | [18:55] |
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| thestringpuller | https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/45xz0s/hi_im_a_user/ << "Consumers have come to expect" in the wild. | [18:58] |
| thestringpuller | "They shouldn't have to care. They're users. The entire point of being a user is not having to care." | [18:58] |
| mircea_popescu | nice epitaph for heroin addict. | [18:58] |
| BingoBoingo | shinohai: ty fxd | [18:59] |
| mircea_popescu | "he was a user, he never cared, which is the point." | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform | technical term is - 'luser' | [18:59] |
| asciilifeform | pronounced 'ell-user' | [18:59] |
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| thestringpuller | asciilifeform: "In Internet slang, a luser (sometimes expanded to local user; also luzer or luzzer) is a painfully annoying, stupid, or irritating computer user." | [19:02] |
| mircea_popescu | thestringpuller notreally. it's just a dude that expects computers to be metaphysical objects not made of discrete parts. | [19:03] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406226 << works regularly, yes. | [19:05] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:15:15; asciilifeform: (did this ever actually work...?) | [19:05] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406230 << yes, but the higher up on the scale, the higher the reasonableness of confidence either way while also closer to mats' hose. | [19:06] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:22:55; asciilifeform: mats: as i understand, 'alphago' is a corporate operation, with many folks involved, all over the pay scale. | [19:06] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406244 <<< actually i'm persuaded ai's learning, if actually present, is in principle not translatable to "human terms" ie some readily fih heuristic. | [19:08] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:33:11; *: adlai would not be surprised if there isn't [yet] a way to translate alphago's "learning" to human go terms | [19:08] |
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| asciilifeform | aha, dragonfly. | [19:08] |
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| asciilifeform | skinner did not have nn, he instead taught pigeon to fly a rocket bomb. and did not ask the pigion how he did it, also. | [19:09] |
| mircea_popescu | technically pigeon was nn | [19:10] |
| adlai | mircea_popescu: only reason i ignore my unqualification to comment on this topic is that some dude showed up at the local bitcoin wateringhole to demo his luser-friendly stockfish interpreter | [19:10] |
| mircea_popescu | lol | [19:11] |
| adlai | (stockfish is https://github.com/official-stockfish/Stockfish ) | [19:11] |
| asciilifeform | wat's stockfish? | [19:11] |
| assbot | GitHub - official-stockfish/Stockfish: UCI chess engine ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi1VjA ) | [19:11] |
| asciilifeform | hm | [19:11] |
| adlai | dude's illusory relevance to bitcoin was looking for some in order to polish the thing off; which is ironic, because it was quite polished already! unclear where to insert coin. | [19:12] |
| asciilifeform | adlai: where do you find these folks. | [19:14] |
| * | adlai just babysits the watering hole and the folks find their way in... it's right across from the stock exchange, people literally walk in and ask "didn't bitcoin die last year" | [19:16] |
| asciilifeform | and what's a bitcoin watering hole? | [19:16] |
| adlai | http://www.bitembassy.org/ | [19:16] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 152700 @ 0.00056883 = 86.8603 BTC [+] {5} | [19:16] |
| adlai | most relevant&explanatory nonsense pasted in its bathroom is https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/42535 which i didn't post myself but strongly identify with | [19:17] |
| assbot | Quote by Joseph Heller: “Actually there were many officers' clubs that Y...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1okAoii ) | [19:17] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406248 << you recall my discussion of magic and its advantages ? | [19:27] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:36:26; asciilifeform: nn works until it 'doesn't want to', at which point - doesn't. | [19:27] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406252 <<< ahjahaha what in the everloving ? | [19:28] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 18:37:44; jurov: and then it failed cuz must read /proc/net/tcp ?! | [19:28] |
| mircea_popescu | only root can read that anyway. | [19:28] |
| deedbot- | [Qntra] Pravda: Missing Batteries Led Billion Dollar Blimp Astray - http://qntra.net/2016/02/pravda-missing-batteries-led-billion-dollar-blimp-astray/ | [19:30] |
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| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406275 << this is not actually true. | [19:31] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 19:04:00; kakobrekla: thinking anyone at google is even aware of bitbet is delusional. | [19:31] |
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| mircea_popescu | lol mp-complete. | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu | nice work keeping it together kako :) | [19:33] |
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| asciilifeform | a problem is mp-complete if its solution requires being mircea_popescu ! | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu | and in more of the same news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/cffa17602be167edc880c4d98319ab81/tumblr_mm6dffZQnM1qlne6uo1_1280.jpg | [19:33] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1okC9fd ) | [19:33] |
| asciilifeform | it is mp-hard if it requires merely being phriendz with mircea_popescu ... | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu | glasses! let's see if this makes alf say she has an expression! maybe he only digs intellectual chix | [19:33] |
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| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform and i suppose the problem of ages is whether cunt is mp-complete or merely mp-hard ? | [19:34] |
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| asciilifeform | possibly. | [19:35] |
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| asciilifeform | i suppose i got it backwards | [19:37] |
| asciilifeform | mp-hard - requires being mp. | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu | everyone gets it backwards when mp's hard! | [19:39] |
| asciilifeform | l0l! | [19:39] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up kefkius | [19:41] |
| -assbot- | You voiced kefkius for 30 minutes. | [19:41] |
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| asciilifeform | http://www.nada.kth.se/~viggo/problemlist/compendium.html << related... | [19:45] |
| assbot | 404 Not Found ... ( http://bit.ly/1oi7qib ) | [19:45] |
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| jurov | BingoBoingo: The Billion Dollar blimp which WAS the victim | [19:51] |
| jurov | now you have to send me one share :) | [19:51] |
| BingoBoingo | ty jurov | [19:56] |
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| mircea_popescu | lol | [20:00] |
| * | BingoBoingo rearranging booksshelves, because seems like most practical way to make reading list | [20:06] |
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| jurov | !up dbclk | [20:07] |
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| asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: what's on your list ? | [20:09] |
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| shinohai | The blimp article is just priceless BingoBoingo | [20:14] |
| danielpbarron | yeah i lolled | [20:15] |
| mircea_popescu | lol not bad | [20:18] |
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| punkman | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406303 << wouldn't you get nasty diffraction at micron level | [20:28] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 19:58:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1405966 << it's actually the only way i see to make an actual honest display shield. mm thick plate box, micron-range holes drilled in one face. | [20:28] |
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| asciilifeform | punkman: more holes than pixels. | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform | think aperture grille on crt. | [20:29] |
| mircea_popescu | many many holes | [20:29] |
| asciilifeform | aha | [20:29] |
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| BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I'll take a picture once I get it sorted. Some things like SICP have yet to be acquired. | [20:30] |
| asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: you can read sicp for phree on www | [20:31] |
| asciilifeform | (not even pdfated!11) | [20:31] |
| BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: I saw, but I like to scribble. | [20:32] |
| asciilifeform | the films are also on www | [20:32] |
| asciilifeform | (yes there was a film series) | [20:32] |
| BingoBoingo | scribble, place postit notes, etc. | [20:32] |
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| asciilifeform | http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures << them | [20:32] |
| assbot | Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs, Video Lectures ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqrC6W ) | [20:32] |
| BingoBoingo | hard to do with www | [20:32] |
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| asciilifeform | interestingly, these were filmed when some american megacorp (hp?) sent (1980s) its employees to get sicp'd | [20:33] |
| asciilifeform | hence the adult audience visible in the foreground | [20:33] |
| BingoBoingo | Not too uncommon. At Carbondale one graduate class I took on (John) Dewey was filled with Chinese students sent by the Party to get Pragmatized. | [20:35] |
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| punkman | more from "my code went to space"-experts http://www.verticalsysadmin.com/making_robust_software/ | [20:41] |
| assbot | Mars Code: building robust software ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqsfNK ) | [20:41] |
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| asciilifeform | nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe | [20:43] |
| asciilifeform | otherwise snore. | [20:43] |
| BingoBoingo | Let us not forget occasional catastrophe has only become more frequent as NSA has aged | [20:44] |
| asciilifeform | waiwut | [20:44] |
| BingoBoingo | Old NASA has Apollo 1 as its sole mega catastrophe (Apollo 13 counts instead as elegant save). New NASA lost two space shuttles. | [20:45] |
| asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: phun phakt: the su 'manned moon' prototype rockets exploded - all 4 of'em - for no particularly good reason. | [20:47] |
| asciilifeform | largest rockets ever built. | [20:47] |
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| asciilifeform | (depending on how measured) | [20:48] |
| BingoBoingo | They exploded for good reason. Entropy tends to find a way. | [20:48] |
| asciilifeform | esp. if helped. | [20:48] |
| BingoBoingo | Even if that way is CIA mole | [20:48] |
| asciilifeform | recall also that these were primarily 'super' mirv rockets. | [20:49] |
| asciilifeform | as in, 1+ cone for every u.s. metropolis. | [20:49] |
| ben_vulpes | STAND BACK | [20:50] |
| asciilifeform | (or rather, prototypes thereof) | [20:50] |
| ben_vulpes | I'M CARBONATING WINE | [20:50] |
| BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: The 30 or so rockets in first stage was likely ill advised. | [20:52] |
| BingoBoingo | 30 irv's prolly fine. 30 mega kerosene openings at the bottom seems like invitation to problem. | [20:54] |
| kakobrekla | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2016#1406651 < i am not sure 2. is avoidable in the current state of affairs | [20:59] |
| assbot | Logged on 15-02-2016 23:39:11; asciilifeform: nasa is great to learn from if you have 1) infinite budget 2) tolerance for occasional catastrophe | [20:59] |
| mircea_popescu | has ben_vulpes discovered spritz ? | [21:01] |
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| shinohai | https://redd.it/45xz0s <<< "user is king" keks | [21:03] |
| assbot | Hi, I'm a User : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtCw5 ) | [21:03] |
| adlai | speaking of which, http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=spritz+from%3Aadlai is superceded/obsoleted/completed by https://github.com/pasky/speedread | [21:05] |
| assbot | 3 results for 'spritz from:adlai' - #bitcoin-assets search | [21:05] |
| assbot | GitHub - pasky/speedread: A simple terminal-based open source Spritz-alike (per-word RSVP aligned on optimal reading points) ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqtKf4 ) | [21:05] |
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| mircea_popescu | in other vaguely lulzy news : previous (socialist) argentine government "signed" a treaty with china, allowing them a fancy new "satellite" base in the far south, right next to the pole. | [21:18] |
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| ben_vulpes | well that was a miserable idea | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu | the current "we will pay lizardhitler cronies" guy is going to try and renegotiate that thing to add a clause that the base is "not to be used militarily". as if it has any other fucking purpose than ready bombardment of us/canada. | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu | none of this is, of course, ever to be reported in the pravda. | [21:19] |
| mircea_popescu | suffice it to be said that if you're looking for a place to live in case of open hostilities with china (not that there's any likelyhood of that), texas way better than chicago or new york. | [21:20] |
| BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Where's your qntra submission on this subject? | [21:21] |
| ben_vulpes | best of best is to live in incuntsequential hipster holes | [21:29] |
| BingoBoingo | ben_vulpes: How do you know the hipster holes won't be cleansed for aesthetics? | [21:29] |
| pete_dushenski | sort of a lot of expense for the sake of aesthetics | [21:31] |
| BingoBoingo | pete_dushenski: How do you judge the cost of making a Deepwater port and fulfilling Teller's dream at the same time? You clease the coastal hipster holes. | [21:32] |
| mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo meh, kinda low level lulz. | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: antarctic ?! | [21:37] |
| mircea_popescu | yeah | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform | texas?! | [21:37] |
| asciilifeform | explain? | [21:38] |
| mircea_popescu | i'd gladly explain if you used a verb in your questions like sane people. | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform | ah i get it, nm | [21:38] |
| mircea_popescu | the miracle of forcing verbs in verbiage! | [21:38] |
| asciilifeform | btw idea belongs to chelomey | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform | (contemporary of korolev) | [21:39] |
| mircea_popescu | aha. | [21:39] |
| asciilifeform | boil the 'great lakes' | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform | of course this was back when usa had factories there. | [21:40] |
| asciilifeform | i still don't get why cn would need antarctic base when it can shoot over north pole. | [21:42] |
| asciilifeform | like sane people. | [21:43] |
| BingoBoingo | In case Russia gets alarmed by CN launch | [21:43] |
| asciilifeform | l0l | [21:44] |
| BingoBoingo | The Russia/China Border not disputed. Better to launch over all the Americas where who the fuck in the flight path can complain? | [21:45] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57000 @ 0.0005603 = 31.9371 BTC [-] {2} | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform | anyway rockets are so 20th c | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform | proper nuke - orbits. | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform | and deorbits. | [21:46] |
| BingoBoingo | Eh, why not just weaponize a panamax or a suezmax a la best korea | [21:46] |
| asciilifeform | a fedex crate, aha. | [21:47] |
| BingoBoingo | Problem with orbit is keeping it, and problem with nuke is maintenance | [21:48] |
| asciilifeform | good for ~20 yr | [21:49] |
| BingoBoingo | And then you gotta get it down safely or peace has an expiration date | [21:49] |
| asciilifeform | also remember that orbit of comm sats is low because tx/rx | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform | nuke needs only receive. | [21:50] |
| asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: do your know what graveyard orbit is? | [21:51] |
| BingoBoingo | recieve and avoid having its traditional explosives decay through radition exposure. | [21:51] |
| BingoBoingo | Not really? | [21:51] |
| asciilifeform | look it up | [21:52] |
| BingoBoingo | Ah, further up where it becomes still harder to collect for fuel later. | [21:53] |
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| deedbot- | [Trilema] The woman's fault - http://trilema.com/2016/the-womans-fault/ | [23:21] |
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