Forum logs for 15 Feb 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation then the author takes the occasion to rail against whippings and pillories from 200 years go [00:00]
mircea_popescu but good for the sheeple to find out that okcupid and tinder are owned by the same thing. [00:00]
mircea_popescu that also owns vimeo. [00:00]
decimation "The movement against public shaming had gained momentum in 1787, when Benjamin Rush, a physician in Philadelphia and a signer of the Declaration of Independence, wrote a paper calling for its demise — the stocks, the pillory, the whipping post, the lot. “Ignominy is universally acknowledged to be a worse punishment than death,” he wrote. “It would seem strange that ignominy should ever have been adopted as a milder punishment [00:00]
decimation than death, did we not know that the human mind seldom arrives at truth upon any subject till it has first reached the extremity of error.”" [00:00]
mircea_popescu (and apparently is no longer buddies with gawker media) [00:00]
decimation it neatly connects the libtards of 1776 with the libtards of today [00:00]
mircea_popescu now, the real journo story : how deep a discount did gawker offer on their advertising, who said no, why did they say no. [00:00]
mircea_popescu THIS is how these shits "happen". [00:00]
decimation and which new york jew now owns the whole thing? [00:01]
mircea_popescu "oh, IAC said our deeply discounted CPM is not worth paying for anyway because we don't have any actual relevancy / power online ??!?!?!" [00:01]
mircea_popescu "FINE PROVE IT TO THEM!!111" [00:01]
decimation mircea_popescu: there's no mention of this obvious motivation in the story [00:02]
mircea_popescu parallel construction is apparently a universal hobby. "tipsters" ? what tipsters. nobody fucking tips gawker. [00:02]
decimation 'six words from any 'honest man'' [00:02]
mircea_popescu except it doesn't actually do anything. gawker is entirely myspace'd. [00:03]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: re portotronic, what's the right thing to do with CROSS_PREFIX for non-arm builds? omit from script entirely? [00:03]
mircea_popescu its audience is idiots, and this is publicly known. so... [00:03]
BingoBoingo http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--TVwScWOw--/vaqllu4u7fp6vl1pptct.jpg [00:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACD3X3 ) [00:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: replace with your compiler [00:03]
decimation apparently it's enough for the new york times to get an independent op-ed [00:03]
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mircea_popescu anyway, in vaguely related news, i'm preparing a pretty lulzy "outrage the feminists" thing for later. [00:04]
mircea_popescu should be interesting to see what comes of it. [00:04]
mircea_popescu decimation : "independent op ed" = "piece written for narcissist that we didn't have to pay' [00:05]
decimation actually, the whole thing smacks of doctor_why_bother [00:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: or, wait, yeah [00:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: you will have to strip out the dash and the $CROSS_PREFIX [00:05]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: aha. in the middle of it already. [00:06]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: CFLAGS should read something like -I/usr/include ? [00:08]
asciilifeform aha [00:08]
asciilifeform use the expected values for your machine. [00:08]
ben_vulpes thanks for the patience, much of this is over my head. but what better way to contaminate my mind with the c toolchain than bitcoind [00:08]
asciilifeform also realize that the script is not a 'makefile' and will pointlessly repeat heavy work if rerun [00:08]
ben_vulpes use the expected values for your machine. << ahahaha "expected values" ahaha as if [00:08]
asciilifeform a good project might be to transform it into a makefile. [00:09]
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asciilifeform i didn't feel like fighting gnumake's retardation re: treatment of envir. vars. and recursive invocations of self [00:09]
asciilifeform hence the bash script. [00:09]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: contaminate my mind with the c toolchain << if it isn't a secret, what do you normally work with ? [00:10]
asciilifeform apple's compiler ? [00:10]
ben_vulpes clients [00:10]
ben_vulpes :P [00:11]
asciilifeform lol [00:11]
ben_vulpes python, bash, clojure. [00:11]
asciilifeform aha. [00:11]
ben_vulpes ruby as necessary to unfuck other people's mistakes. [00:11]
ben_vulpes go ibid [00:11]
asciilifeform so, whatever's brought ? [00:11]
ben_vulpes a pauper is i. [00:11]
* Adlai prefers "this is shit, let me do it in lisp" [00:11]
Adlai excellent way of screening clients [00:12]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: other people in the shop use the apple toolchain and the android toolchain. all i ever do with those is "turn the right nut" when it comes to "signing" binaries for apple/google and cutting builds. [00:13]
ben_vulpes the apple binary signing process is hilaribad. [00:13]
ben_vulpes "fix this issue with your keys?" [00:13]
ben_vulpes sure, why not. [00:13]
ben_vulpes they're not real keys, as far as i care. [00:13]
trinque I switced the deedbot blockchain to an ssd ebs volume [00:13]
trinque still slow as fuck [00:13]
decimation re: apple compilers < i wasted a few hours last week trying to get macports to build 'octave' [00:14]
decimation turns out gcc4.9 would not link properly with the osx standard c++ library [00:14]
decimation but clang would [00:14]
asciilifeform !s llvm [00:14]
assbot 27 results for 'llvm' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=llvm [00:14]
asciilifeform glue with broken glass. [00:14]
ben_vulpes decimation: i've wasted 3 days over the past two weeks trying to get a modern browser to boot into x11 for os x. [00:14]
ben_vulpes i've more or less given up at this point. [00:15]
trinque ben_vulpes: dual boot the gentoos [00:15]
asciilifeform http://www.ebay.com/itm/METCRAFT-FLOOR-MOUNT-COMBO-LAVATORY-SINK-AND-TOILET-FIXTURE-STAINLESS-STEEL-/161597762923 << ebaylulz [00:16]
assbot Metcraft Floor Mount Combo Lavatory Sink and Toilet Fixture Stainless Steel | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1ACF5Xk ) [00:16]
asciilifeform ^ building own prison? just what you need. [00:16]
ben_vulpes looks bad for the back. [00:20]
* trinque watches atop -d... what the hell is btcd reading at a sustained 4mb/sec [00:21]
trinque what is ram for [00:22]
trinque and how does it need anything but the top of the blockchain [00:22]
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asciilifeform trinque: it doesn't [00:22]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-02-2015#1019144 [00:22]
assbot Logged on 15-02-2015 02:25:58; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: realize that the obscene memhunger is 99+% bastard blocks [00:22]
trinque ah [00:23]
decimation asciilifeform: does the same company sell the sought-after toilet/kitchen sink combo? [00:24]
BingoBoingo decimation: In cell, that is kitchen sink [00:24]
asciilifeform if prison cells had kitchenettes - i'm quite certain they would. [00:25]
decimation of course, in comparison what what was suffered in ru's gulags, such an arrangement is quite luxurious [00:25]
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trinque anyone have a high bandwidth node I can give to deedbot to speed his ass up? [00:28]
trinque *give its IP [00:28]
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BingoBoingo http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/my-stack-protector-wasnt-working [00:31]
assbot my stack protector wasn't working [00:31]
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ben_vulpes a RagnarDanneskjol! [00:33]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: x86 is actually among the more lenient architectures for 'unaligned access' [00:33]
ben_vulpes all these old names popping up. [00:33]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: but on all machines you're likely to meet, there is at the very least a performance penalty for them [00:34]
BingoBoingo Interesting [00:34]
asciilifeform if you sit and think for a minute about how the memory works, it becomes clear why. [00:35]
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decimation more lolz http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/11/elizabeth-warren-wont-back-rand-pauls-au < "Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D., Mass.), a member of the Banking Committee and an outspoken critic of the Fed’s oversight of big banks, said she does not support Mr. Paul’s proposed legislation [to force a complete audit of the fed], which she said could have “dangerous” implications for monetary policy." [01:14]
assbot Elizabeth Warren Won't Back Rand Paul's Audit the Fed Bill - Hit & Run : Reason.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVjPLH ) [01:14]
decimation ^ this might actually be qntra worthy if someone puts the right spin on it [01:14]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Are you volunteering? If not I can write something up [01:17]
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decimation nah I don't think I can write good. [01:27]
decimation lol http://WillUsingThePrefixCyberMakeMeLookLikeAnIdiot.com [01:29]
assbot WillUsingThePrefixCyberMakeMeLookLikeAnIdiot.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVlcds ) [01:29]
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decimation related: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/white-house-to-create-national-center-to-counter-cyberspace-intrusions/2015/02/09/a312201e-afd0-11e4-827f-93f454140e2b_story.html [01:32]
assbot New agency to sniff out threats in cyberspace - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1zVlq4m ) [01:32]
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mircea_popescu !up Jrum [01:40]
-assbot- You voiced Jrum for 30 minutes. [01:40]
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mircea_popescu https://flpics1.a.ssl.fastly.net/1975/1975551/00050efb-57c8-384f-c07a-4a309d258337_720.jpg [01:45]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: CXXFLAGS=-O2 -std=c++03 -> CXXFLAGS=-O2 -O3 << is this braindamage of my own design? [02:12]
asciilifeform wai wa [02:13]
asciilifeform i think i actually put in the std= [02:13]
asciilifeform and said why (see log) but have since forgotten. [02:14]
decimation doesn't -O3 imply -O2? [02:14]
asciilifeform where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo [02:14]
asciilifeform and yes, decimation has it. [02:14]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=28-01-2015#995066 [02:14]
assbot Logged on 28-01-2015 05:48:59; asciilifeform: 2) added c++03 flag, my crosscompiler spewed chunder without it [02:14]
asciilifeform aha [02:14]
asciilifeform yes. [02:15]
asciilifeform not entirely related, [02:15]
asciilifeform http://yosefk.com/blog/a-simple-way-to-get-more-people-to-code.html [02:15]
assbot A simple way to "get more people to code" ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtv6nK ) [02:15]
ben_vulpes where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo << shlomiel moment [02:15]
asciilifeform ^ mega-l0l [02:15]
asciilifeform 'If there's a shortage of programmers, we could pay programmers more money.' [02:15]
asciilifeform ^ 'does not know how world works.' everybody knows that 'shortage' in usg parlance means 'not readily available at the centrally planned price' [02:16]
decimation lol asciilifeform >"If this strikes you as absurd, does it strike you as even more absurd that people claim something to be a problem when its "solution" is as obvious as it is ridiculous? (Or is it really that ridiculous? Farm subsidies exist. Why not FarmVille subsidies?)" [02:16]
decimation where's my farmville subsidies? has congress passed the farmville bill yet? [02:17]
decimation lol "An owner of a 3D printer recently told me that "having one really exposes the impotence of… not having one. For instance, I needed this little thingie to hold a shelf. Took 30 minutes to design and print. And where would I get it otherwise?!" The answer, of course, is "at a nearby store" where they have a box full of these thingies at about 20 cents apiece. Of course, in a couple thousand years, his investment in the 3D printer [02:19]
decimation will repay itself though the continuous printing of thingies." [02:19]
decimation of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing [02:19]
ben_vulpes oh just beef it up some [02:21]
decimation heh [02:21]
ben_vulpes it ain't under vibratory load or anything [02:21]
decimation so you gotta wonder how long it took the guy to dick around with his winblows cad software to create a bracket [02:22]
ben_vulpes although the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy [02:22]
ben_vulpes it has been a few years since i looked at the "open" cadcam "solutions". [02:23]
ben_vulpes last time i checked the answer to "assemblies?" was "lolwut" and i stopped paying attention. [02:23]
decimation yeah my understanding is that solidworks is kind of the 3d hill and autocad is king of the 2d hill [02:23]
decimation s/kind/king/ [02:24]
ben_vulpes inventor fusion's pretty sweet. [02:24]
ben_vulpes full multiphysics sims [02:24]
decimation interesting [02:24]
ben_vulpes that you gotta check against single dimension approximations to make sure it's not haring off into impossiblespace [02:24]
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decimation ben_vulpes: do either of those systems accept 'scripting' inputs, such that you could describe the parts with a textual interface? [02:26]
ben_vulpes unrelated: http://www.gunslot.com/files/gunslot/images/80052.jpg [02:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtwuqw ) [02:28]
ben_vulpes decimation: they both support defining parts parametrically. [02:29]
ben_vulpes and in fact that is how good part design should be done. [02:29]
decimation I should think so [02:29]
ben_vulpes mm but pure text part description? [02:29]
ben_vulpes nah. [02:29]
ben_vulpes well, i don't know. [02:30]
ben_vulpes i wasn't programming when i was a hot modeler. [02:30]
ben_vulpes it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction. [02:30]
decimation I mean that the brain's language 'co-processor' (as ascii desribed it) can be used [02:31]
ben_vulpes !s co-processor from:asciilifeform [02:31]
decimation well, there's certainly a 'does it fit' aspect that is visual [02:31]
assbot 0 results for 'co-processor from:asciilifeform' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=co-processor+from%3Aasciilifeform [02:31]
ben_vulpes decimation: it's actually very fast and intuitive once you've learned the interfaces. [02:32]
ben_vulpes 6-axis doolie to move the object around in space; select faces and planes on which to draw shapes and sweep/extrude them through space. [02:32]
ben_vulpes "does it fit" << doubly so in the context of assemblies. [02:32]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy << trololol [02:34]
decimation https://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/09/12/not-all-programmers-alike/ << "I can’t speak for everyone, but when I program, I like to be able to make use of the rather-hefty chunk of my brain that evolved as a language co-processor. Language provides compact abstractions in a way that is difficult to beat using graphics except for inherently-visual tasks (the motion of mechanical parts, etc.)" [02:34]
assbot Not all programmers are alike: a language rant | Locklin on science ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtx5Iy ) [02:34]
decimation asciilifeform: made a comment on that post [02:34]
BingoBoingo !up PinkPixel^ [02:34]
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asciilifeform it's one of those few interfacing problems that i don't really think is suited to a textual abstraction << depends on what is being drawn. see 'openscad' etc. [02:35]
asciilifeform (or, earlier, 'povray') [02:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 79200 @ 0.00038439 = 30.4437 BTC [-] [02:37]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: but yes, if physics sims, output to heavy industry spec, etc. is your thing - winblows. [02:37]
decimation I certainly can describe a bolt as 'Hex bolts, Stainless steel 18-8, 1/4"-20'' and have a pretty good idea of what I mean [02:38]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: on the other hand if all you want to do is to define some geometry and run a lathe, there are tolerably sane proggys around [02:38]
decimation asciilifeform: what software would you recommend to create an easily purchased bracket from inappropriate materials? [02:39]
asciilifeform 'openscad' if mathematically-inclined, 'freecad' if used to traditional gui [02:39]
decimation hehe [02:40]
asciilifeform or wake up diametric, ask him what he uses now [02:40]
asciilifeform ^ fella owns a princely collection of cnc equipment [02:40]
decimation yeah he does as I recall [02:40]
decimation asciilifeform: actually in that scott locklin comment thread he brings up labview, which I'm sure you are familiar with [02:42]
decimation I find his idea that someone actually uses labview for something other than to waste the taxpayers' time & money amusing [02:42]
asciilifeform decimation: used, believe or not, in industry (as in, actual plant control) [02:43]
decimation really? why bother with the layers of turdware? [02:44]
asciilifeform sorta occupies that niche of 'i need to automate a process but i refuse to learn to program' [02:44]
decimation ah. [02:44]
asciilifeform why bother with the layers << anything to 'avoid programming' [02:44]
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decimation Because there's very little I can imagine labview can do that couldn't be replaced with a few hundred lines of "c" and the labview driver library [02:44]
asciilifeform in an earlier age, 'hypercard' (http://www.loper-os.org/?p=568 << my article on the subject) filled a similar niche [02:45]
asciilifeform ^ was ludicrously popular on account of intelligent folks who were 'afraid of programming' and agreed to try it out because it didn't pattern-match their phobia [02:45]
asciilifeform rather than because of any one of the other characteristics [02:46]
decimation yeah that makes sense. as I recall as a youth in school, it was used as kind of a proto-powerpoint [02:47]
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asciilifeform microscope-hammer. [02:48]
decimation actually even the html/css shitstack has grown its own quasi hypercard https://ifttt.com/ [02:49]
assbot Put the internet to work for you. - IFTTT [02:49]
decimation and a variety of similar 'startups' [02:49]
decimation except they cost $, are not reliable, and are less useful than hypercard was [02:49]
asciilifeform decimation: if you'd like a canonical list of those turds, of several years' vintage, read the comments to 568. [02:50]
decimation lolz I didn't look at the comments [02:51]
decimation including one 'have you tried labview' lol [02:52]
ben_vulpes oh jesus labview [02:55]
ben_vulpes the best part about labview is how once a person builds a reasonably complex thing in it they and only they can really understand where all the pipes go and where all the data is and how control moves around [02:56]
ben_vulpes one of the things that gently nudged me into my current slavery [02:56]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: 'trololol' < i suppose that part sheets, dimensional tolerancing and what have you are part of my base assumptions for part fab. [02:56]
decimation asciilifeform: actually I think the best explanation for 'why hypercard had to die' is that apple discovered that you could sell software to chumps at huge profit, whereas actually competing on hardware is a low-margin miserable business [02:56]
ben_vulpes i can't recall if i ever bumped into freecad. [02:57]
ben_vulpes ah hey freecad looks okay [02:58]
decimation I think I used it a little while, it mostly works [02:58]
ben_vulpes oh jesus this is going to be like gimp isn't it [02:59]
ben_vulpes every little feature squireled away a million menus down [02:59]
decimation yeah that's exactly what I thought when I opened it [02:59]
asciilifeform http://www.freecadweb.org [02:59]
assbot FreeCAD: An Open Source parametric 3D CAD modeler ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dtzseo ) [02:59]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: like gimp ? [02:59]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: have you ever worked with photoshop, illustrator et al? [03:00]
ben_vulpes and i mean for hours, weeks at a stretch? [03:00]
decimation there's another angle to the 'open source cad' thing: autocad refuses to release the spec for their full-feature 'save' files [03:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: actually yes. [03:00]
ben_vulpes my mind is blown. [03:00]
ben_vulpes why? [03:00]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: as you can probably guess, 'not from a good life' [03:01]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: and did you spend a similar amount of time attempting to 'work' the same way in 'the gimp'? [03:02]
ben_vulpes (subject of the portatron: "g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus) ") [03:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i think i see what you were thinking. [03:03]
asciilifeform internal error: killed << wai way [03:03]
asciilifeform post output ? [03:03]
asciilifeform or was that it [03:03]
ben_vulpes ram, likely. [03:03]
ben_vulpes no, 'twas all. [03:03]
asciilifeform what were you building on? [03:03]
ben_vulpes obj, obj, obj...Killed. [03:04]
asciilifeform dead goat ? [03:04]
ben_vulpes pauper's vps. [03:04]
asciilifeform why -build- on a vps ? [03:04]
* asciilifeform perplexed [03:04]
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ben_vulpes again, shlomiel. [03:05]
ben_vulpes i'd no idea that compiling a static bitcoind would take quite so much memory. then again, it's loading all of boost and dbb and openssl - does all of the above need to reside in memory at the same time? [03:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: same time << as obj, yes [03:08]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: how else. [03:08]
decimation it could swap on a hard drive at extreme performance penalty [03:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: on the subject of 'gimp'-like proggys with terrifyingly layered menus - this is a well-known plague and there is no, afaik, ready pill for it. [03:10]
asciilifeform someone might say 'key mappings' but this neglects the explorability aspect [03:10]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: the only pills i'm aware of are pouring capital into refining the interface and training the intended customers. [03:10]
asciilifeform (the reason why it is possible to learn photoshit without reading docs is that the controls are there on the table, so to speak) [03:11]
ben_vulpes aside from having the thing actually be programmable, but that's apparently a nonstarter in our world. [03:11]
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mircea_popescu aww scoopbot ded ? [03:48]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell peterl scoopbot x.x [03:48]
gribble The operation succeeded. [03:48]
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ben_vulpes http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/c++/I_did_it_for_you_all [04:03]
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ben_vulpes time ./auto.sh [04:20]
ben_vulpes ... [04:20]
ben_vulpes real 20m17.054s [04:20]
mircea_popescu lol @fake interview [04:24]
ben_vulpes p funny [04:25]
ben_vulpes http://longnow.org/essays/richard-feynman-connection-machine/ [04:34]
assbot Richard Feynman and The Connection Machine - The Long Now ... ( http://bit.ly/1zEiy6Q ) [04:34]
ben_vulpes wolfram worked with feynman at Thinking Machines?! [04:42]
ben_vulpes Whenever it came time for his daily bowl of soup he would look around for the nearest "girl" and ask if she would fetch it to him. It did not matter if she was the cook, an engineer, or the president of the company. I once asked a female engineer who had just been a victim of this if it bothered her. "Yes, it really annoys me," she said. "On the other hand, he is the only one who ever explained quantum mechanics to me as if I could [04:44]
ben_vulpes understand it." [04:44]
mircea_popescu so in the end... she enjoyed it ? [05:06]
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mircea_popescu decimation: of course, printing something structurally critical like a bracket holding weight is a great application for weakass-plastic 3d printing << yes, because hopefully it falls on his head. [05:17]
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mircea_popescu gooood mornin' terrines y terreurs [12:29]
danielpbarron to give some idea of how much faster solid state drive is vs a 5400 rpm drive, it caught up to a weeks worth of blocks in about a day [12:30]
danielpbarron height=183012 vs height=181378 currently [12:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156450 @ 0.00036457 = 57.037 BTC [-] {3} [12:33]
mircea_popescu impressive. [12:33]
danielpbarron it's around the 180k mark that it all slows down [12:36]
kakobrekla i wonder what goes longer way towards 'inclusiveness', the big blocks or cheap nodes [12:40]
mircea_popescu this is a legitimate question. [12:40]
mircea_popescu obviously, both. in what proportion ? well... [12:40]
mircea_popescu but that was the camels/donkeys thing exactly. [12:41]
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mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/0059a70599c6bf51782bcf765eac8c1e/tumblr_ni508hf2UN1ryv8ymo1_1280.jpg [12:52]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1yGBT7w ) [12:52]
chetty http://www.clickorlando.com/news/deputies-hundreds-of-teens-storm-ocoee-theater/31281974 [12:55]
assbot Deputies: Hundreds of teens storm Ocoee theater | News - Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1MnYGz1 ) [12:55]
mircea_popescu the stormteens ? [12:58]
chetty a general breakdown of civilized behavior ..seems to be getting worse [13:08]
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mircea_popescu i dunno... kids breaking into the movies seems pretty civilised. [13:58]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/28d2bb2ffbc641518a3674b8fe676582/tumblr_ngz20w8Rmh1r6nfu5o1_500.jpg << and the worst ropework ever award goes to... [14:27]
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mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/7775b8f8ffc657bc015ef2ee82ae9a96/tumblr_nevo5u87uH1ryv8ymo6_r1_1280.jpg 1940s [14:42]
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ben_vulpes what's the context of all the "schoolgirls"? [14:48]
mircea_popescu nobody actually knows. that pic is about as old as cable modems, but its context lost to the world. [14:52]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/e7da3c023fe4aa185818c0f45d2608a9/tumblr_ngyygwRl3P1u13y88o1_500.gif << mail order bride done right. [14:54]
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mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlfkutB-PcE << this is epic. so some derp from alba (roguhly romania's equivalent of Indiana) has been a fugitive sought for proxenetism and "creating an organised crime group" for over a year. he's put some derpy rap thing on youtube, and the tv chicks are creaming their pants because "over 1000 views". literally, "peste o mie de vizitatori" = over 1k views. [15:05]
assbot Cel mai cautat interlop din Alba a devenit vedeta pe internet - Extern - Observator Antena1 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ArCtx3 ) [15:05]
mircea_popescu they even have a 5 second delay "connecting" to the "correspondent". who is like, fifty feet away. [15:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: proxenetism ? [15:34]
mircea_popescu hm. pimpery. [15:34]
* asciilifeform assumed it meant 'running a net of spam proxies' [15:34]
mircea_popescu lol [15:35]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: gurlz list << mega-l0l! [15:38]
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asciilifeform how many, one might wonder, are decoys [15:39]
asciilifeform (iirc those are sop on 'sex www' sites) [15:39]
davout http://fr.anco.is/2015/x-eur-february-15th-2015-statement/ [15:41]
assbot X.EUR February 15th 2015 statement | fr.anco.is ... ( http://bit.ly/17CrLHj ) [15:41]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform one so inclined can verify. [15:48]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly, it's kinda fun to watch the slowly seethin anger or "secret" girly venues at this INCREDIBLE IMPROPRIETY. [15:49]
mircea_popescu god damned it they have decided fetlife is not to be searched. how dares anyone change this, and how dare they be someone specific! [15:49]
mircea_popescu s/or/on/ [15:50]
asciilifeform mega-weeve [15:55]
asciilifeform did this actually get a rise out of somebody ? [15:56]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: post your x86 auto.sh on the listserv ? [16:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform for instance http://www.notjustbitchy.com/clearly-there-are-too-many-women-on-fetlife/ [16:03]
assbot Clearly there are too many women on Fetlife » Not Just Bitchy ... ( http://bit.ly/17CvGnA ) [16:03]
mircea_popescu https://github.com/meitar/fetlife-aslsearch#why-can-i-only-search-for-men-not-women for moar example. [16:04]
assbot meitar/fetlife-aslsearch · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/17CvTqY ) [16:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'my educated guess that the search is not offered because they couldn't support it, technically, not for any high falootin' ethical considerations.' << lol, like the thousands of dissertations on 'use of light and shadow' in sistine chapel ceiling [16:05]
asciilifeform where did they go when the soot was cleaned off. [16:05]
mircea_popescu lol yup. [16:05]
mircea_popescu nobody, conveniently, remembers those. [16:06]
asciilifeform of course not [16:06]
mircea_popescu because, you see, "nobody ever got fired for arguing from pangloss". [16:06]
mircea_popescu the ibm thing is just a subset of this. [16:06]
asciilifeform 'nobody ever got fired' for being a meatpuppet who blindly imitates their immediate neighbour - yes [16:08]
mircea_popescu ascribing intent to happenstance is like ascribing causation to correlation, or ascribing life to movement : it soothes the brain, it makes the world "friendlier" [16:08]
asciilifeform but they do deserve a good thrashing now & then [16:08]
mircea_popescu only if they're more than meatpuppet. [16:08]
mircea_popescu only slavegirl should be beaten for failure, and only exceptional girls should be accepted into slavery. [16:08]
jurov !s assbot dividend [16:10]
assbot 3 results for 'assbot dividend' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=assbot+dividend [16:11]
asciilifeform even if there is nothing sentient in the muppet that would win from the thrashing - if it is a public one, it will do some good for those who yet might [16:11]
jurov kakobrekla, assbot again did not announce mpex dividends [16:11]
jurov divs are deprecated now? [16:12]
mircea_popescu jurov there was an error which we've meanwhile fixed [16:12]
mircea_popescu should appear from thenceforth [16:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hard to argue with that point. [16:12]
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decimation asciilifeform: win from the thrashing - if it is a public one << "maim one, educate one thousand" [16:19]
jurov also, i can't relate the bitbet dividend (3.21579681) to S.BBET monthly statement that says: [16:20]
jurov 3.21579699 BTC minus 1.9624272 BTC substracted due to last month's credit, for a final total of 1.25336979 BTC to be paid as dividends for MPEx(sic!) shares this month. [16:20]
jurov i'd suggest mircea to hire someone reliable to do the dividend payouts [16:23]
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kakobrekla lol is it erroneous again? [16:44]
decimation https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9052727 < lol, listen to chumps stuck inside the silly-con valley startup chumpatron grind and squeal about the sudden realization that they are working for nothing [16:44]
assbot Ask HN: What up with these startup salaries? | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0sbn8 ) [16:45]
mircea_popescu lmao [16:45]
mircea_popescu i carried it. [16:45]
mircea_popescu jurov this is quickly developing into my fatal flaw, so i can be like a villain in the movies. [16:45]
mircea_popescu "sure he can piss everyone off - but he can't actually pay dividends correctly to save his life" [16:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: is it theoretically possible that the 3% figure is off on account of gurlz refusing to indicate their sex (or somehow listing it in non-readily-machinereadable form in 'about' biographical box, etc. - is there one?) [16:46]
mircea_popescu there is no way to list it but not list it. they could in principle not list it at all - the problem then becomes that, for our needs, they actually ARENT female. [16:46]
mircea_popescu so it's "about 3% out of the first 100k that self identify as female and self identify as under 30yo". for all we know two thirds of that are all labrador retrievers. [16:47]
asciilifeform decimation: they were 'working for nothing' long ago, by way of giving up most of their salary to the local real estate chumpatron as a mandatory matter [16:47]
asciilifeform decimation: low pay is not the only way to be poor [16:48]
mircea_popescu decimation music to my years [16:48]
mircea_popescu i mean ears. [16:48]
decimation yeah some of the comments are amusing [16:48]
decimation "Don't you have faith that we'll be successful?" [16:48]
mircea_popescu "nope" [16:49]
mircea_popescu "not enough to give you my girl, anyway" [16:49]
mircea_popescu imagine the market chilling effects of these derps having to actually ask the girl from her father. [16:50]
mircea_popescu "o no, it would capsize the economy" [16:50]
mircea_popescu what fucking economy ? [16:50]
decimation apparently in new york the situation is a little more harsh: "In New York, people have given up on equity. I hear this time and again in the NYC tech scene - building a company is hard in NYC because people don't believe equity is worth anything because of the bullshit that happened in the first bubble. In New York especially, there were a lot of shenanigans with equity in 99/00 bubble/crash era where companies got sold and employees [16:51]
decimation got nothing because of liquidation preferences and other things. " [16:51]
decimation http://www.geocities.ws/drhenke/startupmemo.htm < wise advice linked in the comments [16:55]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tGl8 ) [16:55]
decimation "If your gut (or someone you trust) tells you that ANY ONE of the Founders is a bozo, forget it and walk away. They will take you and the company down." [16:55]
asciilifeform re: tiny equities: as i understand, scarcely anyone even gets a fixed % of a company now [16:58]
asciilifeform because it is generally understood that whatever one gets will be 'homeopathic' quantity after umpteen rounds of dilution [16:58]
asciilifeform instead you get 'xxxx shares' [16:59]
asciilifeform (of what? who knows) [16:59]
mircea_popescu whoever reads the term sheets knows. [17:00]
mircea_popescu but anyway : mpex people get fixed %s. everyone else gets shit. [17:00]
asciilifeform tale was re: usa rather than mpex, aha [17:01]
asciilifeform 'In Silicon Valley, my startup offers over the past two years have ranged from $160-250K with 0.5-0.75% equity.' -- from one comment in above link. and folks read this, and think he's paid 250k in actual money [17:02]
asciilifeform why no one ever discusses actual take-home pay ? [17:03]
asciilifeform i.e. what remains after -all- the taxation? [17:03]
mircea_popescu because the ydo not wish to be depressed. [17:05]
asciilifeform the folks in that thread appear to be entirely willing to be depressed [17:05]
asciilifeform but somehow continue to studiously dance around the subject of the disease that's actually killing them [17:06]
decimation asciilifeform: most of them would agree with moldbug's analysis that they believe paying tax is 'i gave at the office' [17:19]
asciilifeform the biggest tax, by far, is the real estate chumpamatic [17:19]
asciilifeform and if the folks involved could live in detroit and collect that salary, they would. [17:21]
decimation if by 'detroit' you mean anywhere where you could buy a house for less than 100k, you are probably correct [17:21]
asciilifeform aha [17:21]
asciilifeform if they all moved to the actual detroit, the chump harvester would simply move with them [17:22]
decimation aye [17:22]
decimation asciilifeform, all these high salaries 'create jobs', you see [17:22]
asciilifeform to follow mircea_popescu's 'ducks and hunters' analogy, the ducks cluster in a flock and get shot together [17:23]
asciilifeform it would be interesting to consider what 'refusing to be the duck' would mean for the programmers [17:23]
decimation replacement by an indian, either on or off shore [17:24]
asciilifeform would they each pick a village and duel to the death with any other who decides to come to town ? [17:24]
asciilifeform decimation: as i understand, everyone who could easily be 'replaced by indian' (not always from india proper, but often east eu, etc. and the 'orc' world in general) - has been [17:24]
mircea_popescu replacement by an indian, either on or off shore << this is like saying your trophy wife that if she quits you, you'll replace her with a masturbation aid. [17:25]
mircea_popescu is it supposed to be like a threat or something ? [17:25]
decimation if that's true, then why are the chumpers willing to work for $60k (and pay $60k to live) [17:25]
mircea_popescu statu quo. [17:25]
mircea_popescu why were romanians willing to shiver in the winter in 88 ? [17:25]
mircea_popescu !up hegemoOn [17:26]
-assbot- You voiced hegemoOn for 30 minutes. [17:26]
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decimation because the chumps to the right and left were also so willing apparently [17:26]
hegemoOn thank you mircea_popescu [17:26]
asciilifeform re: programmers, the inescapable conclusion is that in usa, their $xxx k-usd salary is merely a 'money laundry' vehicle for real estate racket [17:27]
asciilifeform and in no sense anything else [17:28]
hegemoOn to talk abour what i know [17:28]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, it goes to the thread a few weeks ago about why does usg even bother to tax at all [17:28]
hegemoOn in the 90 most bouncer were freelance [17:28]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like/ << moar scriptures for the cult bible. [17:28]
assbot What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFxuaD ) [17:28]
hegemoOn getting high salary [17:28]
decimation decimation: it would simplify accounting if your salary just went directly to the local land baron [17:29]
mircea_popescu decimation the point for the accounting is to not be simplified. it would also simplify accounting if the two jews "selling" each other the same painting just wrote random numbers of paper. [17:29]
hegemoOn but owner of club decided to unit and [17:30]
mircea_popescu similarly, it'd simplify accounting if the theatre just closed down. but then... [17:30]
hegemoOn create company hiring eastern europe former military guy [17:30]
hegemoOn for almostnithung [17:30]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah, if individuals had direct control of their wealth, accounting would get quite complex [17:30]
mircea_popescu hegemoOn but you understand there's something fundamental about the occupation that makes them servants to the club, right ? [17:30]
asciilifeform sorta how medical practice 'could be simple' if pharmacy stocked just cyanide (wagner optional) [17:30]
mircea_popescu just like whores are only allowed to work "on their own" in those situations where there's not enough food to go around. [17:31]
mircea_popescu same tiems when the cattle's "turned loose" [17:31]
hegemoOn and use those instead of freelancer [17:31]
hegemoOn thhis is how they break the average cost of security operator [17:31]
hegemoOn and even getting money back as far as they were paying for a service to a company they owns [17:32]
hegemoOn exactly the same happened in computer land [17:32]
hegemoOn in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer [17:32]
hegemoOn and then bank/insurance create service company [17:32]
hegemoOn which sells them back legion of low cost computer guy [17:32]
hegemoOn breaking price by 5 or 10 [17:33]
mircea_popescu come to think about it, not a bad analogy. [17:33]
mircea_popescu muscle, eh / [17:33]
hegemoOn and the golden era of computer guy was gone [17:34]
hegemoOn here in france we compete with north african cheap profile [17:34]
asciilifeform in the 90 most computer guy were freelancer << not in usa... [17:34]
hegemoOn who tends to seduce more those service company [17:34]
decimation in the usa, 'freelance computer guys' are treated by the tax authorities as tax cheats [17:35]
mircea_popescu decimation for good reason. [17:35]
decimation whereas real estate agents are not [17:35]
mircea_popescu they pose no threat, because their capital can always be confiscated. [17:36]
asciilifeform ^ this fact became popularly known on account of the joe stack rampage [17:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i actually have a post scheduled (for like 6 months now) for day after tomorrow. [17:36]
asciilifeform l0l! [17:37]
hegemoOn i worked two years and half on transactionnal platform of Ingenico [17:37]
hegemoOn paiement services [17:37]
hegemoOn and i can really state that lowcost hiring leads to poor result [17:38]
mircea_popescu doh! [17:38]
asciilifeform 'joe stack day' is 2/18, iirc, no ? [17:38]
hegemoOn while hiring better profile would cost a little more on human ressource budget [17:39]
hegemoOn but far less in production and exploitation [17:39]
fluffypony classic big-company-red-tape [17:39]
hegemoOn and communication towards customer which loose money [17:39]
hegemoOn exemple of failure : transaction processor which doesn't listen to commit acknowledgment of the sql database [17:40]
hegemoOn poor programming indeed [17:40]
hegemoOn so plateform considers transaction is archived on database [17:41]
hegemoOn when commit has failed [17:41]
hegemoOn imagine this situation during 9hours of transaction history of main reteller in uk ! [17:41]
hegemoOn >63 millions euros lost [17:41]
hegemoOn guess who worked to parse all the log and worked with bank to recoved the money from auth message during 3 weeks ? [17:42]
hegemoOn me ! [17:42]
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hegemoOn 120 peoples working on this platform and only 10% skilled enough to understand what they do [17:43]
asciilifeform hegemoOn: 'Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made / Driving a Wells Fargo truck, he handled millions every day / But you can't be much of a player on 56 bucks a day / Seven dollars an hour, that's what Philip Johnson made.' [17:43]
hegemoOn asciilifeform: im not saying that i should earn more from that :) [17:44]
hegemoOn im just saying that outsourcing/low cost profile lead to failure [17:44]
asciilifeform ( http://articles.latimes.com/1997/aug/10/news/ls-21004 << from song about famous outlaw, as seen here ) [17:44]
assbot Shades of D.B. Cooper - Los Angeles Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFAG5R ) [17:45]
mircea_popescu hegemoOn if you feel like writing out the details, qntra is looking for more "fiat sucks" failure stories. [17:45]
hegemoOn mircea_popescu: facing harrasment from my former client ? :) [17:45]
mircea_popescu yes. [17:46]
hegemoOn but in a more general level i can explain why it sucks [17:46]
mircea_popescu if you don't hurt the things you don't like, you're not really a man. [17:46]
hegemoOn on protocol level and transaction life [17:46]
hegemoOn and bitcoin will face the same trouble when going to retail world [17:46]
mircea_popescu gavincoin will, because gavincoin is fundamentally predicated on the broken proposition of adjusting to the world. [17:47]
mircea_popescu bitcoin will be fine. there will be carnage in its wake, but that in itself is a positive outcome. [17:48]
hegemoOn i agree about the natural selection process [17:48]
mircea_popescu to quote rms, "To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example." [17:50]
mircea_popescu except it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa, nor about the long dead us generally. [17:50]
mircea_popescu it's about plainest morals : please consider if your duty to yourself, as a free man worth two shits doesn't require you to publish all the shit you know. [17:51]
mircea_popescu why exactly is the state and its corporations allowed any protection ? worst thing to aid and abet. [17:51]
hegemoOn because money [17:52]
hegemoOn bunch of money [17:52]
asciilifeform !b 6 [17:52]
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mircea_popescu yeah. as fiat becomes worth less and less in actual money, that problem will slowly melt. [17:53]
mircea_popescu except, names are made early, not late. [17:53]
hegemoOn :) [17:54]
asciilifeform it's not about the fucktard museum that's the nsa << reminds me, one of these days i gotta pay a visit to... their museum [17:55]
asciilifeform knew about it for a decade, but somehow can't bring myself to set foot there [17:56]
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chetty asciilifeform, get your shots uptodate first, its probably catching [17:58]
asciilifeform https://plus.google.com/105419788139557178964/about?hl=en&gl=us << mega-lol [17:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFDjEY ) [17:59]
asciilifeform '4.1 stars! best gassing, will come again' [17:59]
asciilifeform https://plus.google.com/116440706124488410279/about?hl=en&gl=us << only 3 stars [18:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFDT5x ) [18:02]
asciilifeform 'The parking lots are very large and crowded. It is hard to find a spot, even working the night shift. I think Obama should invest in a parking garage. It is a bit creepy inside the buildings, too.' [18:03]
asciilifeform 'If you're invited to the NSA, pay careful attention to the instructions given. If you do not, you will be a big delay to others. If you're not invited to the NSA, please do not go, unless you want to see the Cryptology museum, which is a fascinating place.' [18:05]
* asciilifeform had a colleague once who -did- go, by making wrong turn in traffic, and -did- end up 'a big delay to others' as he was frog-marched into a guardpost and searched [18:06]
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chetty nothing all that creepy about it, except maybe a certain lack of windows :P [18:13]
asciilifeform chetty: there is a specific, highly-ritualized architectural style: [18:14]
asciilifeform chetty: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-08-2014#806471 [18:14]
assbot Logged on 23-08-2014 17:21:36; asciilifeform: (what style? gigantic plate-glass window walls that never let through office light - they're painted black on the inside; the seemingly-mandatory wrought-iron fence, with steel cable trusses - nominally against terrorist trucks (TM); archaically-massive satellite antennae; a few other features broadly known to anyone who looks with any regularity.) [18:14]
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oglafbot http://oglaf.com/yoke/ [18:26]
assbot The Yoke ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFIh4l ) [18:26]
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mircea_popescu oglafbot is best bot [18:31]
mircea_popescu cuntbot: http://40.media.tumblr.com/73f15bcf2c808c89ef0fa4abe79da911/tumblr_namf6auIhZ1r6y441o1_1280.jpg [18:31]
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asciilifeform ^ lol! [18:33]
BingoBoingo http://news.slashdot.org/story/15/02/15/1959209/removing-libsystemd0-from-a-live-running-debian-system [18:33]
assbot Removing Libsystemd0 From a Live-running Debian System - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1IySr ) [18:33]
asciilifeform (linked) http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/01/14/2030259/systemd-gains-new-networking-features << lol, somehow missed this [18:36]
assbot SystemD Gains New Networking Features - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1J1np ) [18:36]
asciilifeform ^ pries open fw ports [18:36]
asciilifeform incidentally, folks recommending freebsd as an escape should remember that it's been colonized: gcc is no longer installed by default there, nor are system bins built with it [18:38]
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asciilifeform ^ and this is relatively old news, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTEwMjI [18:39]
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asciilifeform while we're at it, [18:40]
asciilifeform http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=RMS-Emacs-Gud-LLVM [18:40]
assbot RMS Feels There's "A Systematic Effort To Attack GNU Packages" - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1JIxb ) [18:40]
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asciilifeform 'Other Emacs stakeholders responded with confusion how this could be "a systematic effort to attack GNU packages" and also raised points on how Emacs has support for Microsoft Windows and OS X but wouldn't consider a basic patch for enabling the LLDB debugger to be used. Stallman followed up to say, "These are not similar cases. Neither Windows nor MacOS was intended to push major GNU packages out of use. What I see here appea [18:40]
asciilifeform rs possibly to be exactly that. Whether that is the case is what I want to find out."' [18:40]
asciilifeform and, lastly, [18:42]
asciilifeform http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Intel-Boot-Guard-Kills-Coreboot [18:42]
assbot Why You Don't See Coreboot Supported By Many Modern Intel Systems - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1AFLNM4 ) [18:42]
asciilifeform ^ the 'won't boot anything not signed by key in antifuse rom' thing - finally arrived. [18:42]
asciilifeform to x86 pc. [18:43]
asciilifeform (sop on game consoles for decade+) [18:43]
asciilifeform (those who believe that it does not matter what is in the bios so long as you can boot your favourite unix, are mistaken. not only can bios diddle your drives pre-boot, but it isn't even necessary - routines like smm handler run continuously, outside of os) [18:44]
asciilifeform ^ basic kindergarten facts, at this point, i will not bother to expound on them here [18:45]
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asciilifeform 'but Richard is seemingly frightened about the compiler competition from LLVM that is out under a permissive free software license.' << fud artist lies through his teeth. rms is not 'frightened of competition under permissive licenses', but is pointing out that organized attack by shitgnomes flying (as always) flags of convenience, is under way. [18:47]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the bullshit bios problem is actually quite serious [19:02]
mircea_popescu for now we can still run old boards. but that won't last forever. [19:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: so far problem only exists in winblows/apple world, but it creeps onward - microshit in particular requires it as a condition of doing business with manufacturer [19:03]
mircea_popescu yup [19:03]
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mircea_popescu course, the measure will backfire, [19:04]
mircea_popescu as in, i'll run only stuff signed by... me. [19:04]
asciilifeform optimistic. [19:04]
mircea_popescu in a sense, so far they're really cutting out our rouad for us. [19:04]
asciilifeform 'i don't care if they're stoking up the ovens, they'll go in' [19:05]
mircea_popescu well no, the idea is, most of the state effort consists of effort that really helps the republic. [19:05]
mircea_popescu hijack all the ships. [19:05]
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asciilifeform wake me up when a serious usg key leaks. [19:05]
mircea_popescu why would a key have to leak ? [19:06]
mircea_popescu just use your own antifuse. [19:06]
asciilifeform own antifuse ?! [19:06]
asciilifeform http://www.design-reuse.com/news_img/20031024_actel4.gif << antifuse [19:07]
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mircea_popescu in other news, http://36.media.tumblr.com/30db452b7a40c2ae6fe3ce321f95d89d/tumblr_na11k1mBSA1tv6w3wo1_1280.jpg [19:07]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1L1P8s3 ) [19:07]
asciilifeform aka otp rom [19:07]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so ? [19:07]
mircea_popescu it can be made, right ? [19:07]
asciilifeform point being that millions of boxes are permanent thralls to usg until key gets out. [19:07]
mircea_popescu ... [19:08]
mircea_popescu the point is not saving some vague and uninteresting group. [19:08]
mircea_popescu let them save themselves. [19:08]
asciilifeform interestingly, intel and microshit have been salivating for a decaee+ over the concept of a cpu that runs not merely mandatorily-signed but encrypted code (to internal key) [19:09]
asciilifeform but for practical reasons this has not yet been achieved [19:09]
mircea_popescu fuck, ten billion boxes are pretty much permanent thralls to the first taker on the grounds that there's more holes than fixes. [19:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see the problem from the perspective in which it actually -is- a problem: not that a billion people own computer that is not a computer (nowhere is it written that we have to care about this) but in the elementary lack of a practical alternative. [19:10]
mircea_popescu so far. [19:10]
asciilifeform as in, there is not a 'free world' si fab. [19:10]
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mircea_popescu kinda what i said : gotta see to this eventually. [19:10]
mircea_popescu "I'm an 18 year old currently in my first semester of college at UNM (Studying medicine). All my life I've been a very good girl, pro-feminist all my life, I was in the girl scouts growing up, I got straight As, I don't drink or go out to parties. I found your tumblr the other week and at first I was offended, I don't see how any woman would subject herself to such treatment. I've visited your page multiple times since [19:11]
mircea_popescu then and I'm curious how you would go about breaking me out of my shell?" [19:11]
mircea_popescu lawl. [19:11]
midnightmagic it's a trap, get an ax [19:12]
mircea_popescu lol. [19:12]
mircea_popescu i mostly quoted it for the sudden turn towards "breaking out of shells" [19:13]
mircea_popescu i wonder if the chick's clever enough to have done this deliberately. [19:13]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 5000 @ 0.00076456 = 3.8228 BTC [+] {15} [19:21]
thestringpuller so it's taken me 3 days to get 0.5.3.1 up to 190k blocks... [19:22]
thestringpuller why again should I be convinced this computer will be "okay" running larger blocks when it can barely keep up as is... [19:22]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: the idiot crashy one ('classic', with memleak) or the one with questionable patch ('orphanage burner') ? [19:22]
thestringpuller classic with memleak [19:22]
thestringpuller i keep having to kill and restart [19:23]
thestringpuller but its at least working [19:23]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender [19:23]
thestringpuller you told me not to patch in orphanage burner yet. [19:23]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: that's correct [19:23]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: in general, i'm opposed to patching in gavinisms of any description [19:24]
thestringpuller oh and block propagation is going to be "0" with bloom filters or something [19:24]
asciilifeform especially ones i fished out of the sewers in a hurry, for purposes of experiment. [19:24]
thestringpuller ^- you make yourself sound like Dr. Frankenstein sometimes. [19:24]
asciilifeform it's a 'frankensteinian' project by nature, whatcanido. [19:25]
thestringpuller I wonder what discoveries you've made we don't know about <.<;; [19:25]
thestringpuller the splitting image of Dr. Moreau! :D [19:25]
asciilifeform less said about these, better sleep at night, l0l [19:26]
thestringpuller moar frankensteinian would be ripping out Boost completely, not that that is feasible (but neither was reanimating the dead) [19:26]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: if you're gonna go to that level of mutilation, may as well abandon the pedigreed-descent-from-0.5.3 thing and go for rewrite [19:26]
thestringpuller i kno rite? funny how these kidz praise satoshi's "code know-how" yet all these things... [19:27]
asciilifeform you can't really pull out 'boost' and retain the naked-eye-plus-patch-util sense of 'this is visibly bitcoind pre-$10-per but with minor changes' thing [19:27]
thestringpuller we should just rewrite it in assembly. [19:27]
asciilifeform 'we' [19:28]
asciilifeform by popular demand (everybody who's ragging on 'boost') a musical interlude: [19:28]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: also remember that the 'magic' of gavincoin was that it will work on existing hw, so long as 'everybody agrees' to throw away blockchain history and surrender << this, especially. [19:28]
asciilifeform serious work in cpp is quite impossible without something functionally much like 'boost'. [19:28]
asciilifeform was -never- possible [19:29]
mircea_popescu "make bitcoin accessible to everyone by saying it's really a bottle of tide, and letting procter and gamble manufacture it" [19:29]
asciilifeform for so long as that abortion of a language existed. [19:29]
asciilifeform talk to a game dev who was active in the '90s [19:29]
thestringpuller ^- Oh yea [19:29]
asciilifeform he'll show you, perhaps, his outfit's homegrown warty version of 'boost' [19:29]
thestringpuller ^- Oh yea x2 [19:29]
mircea_popescu heh [19:29]
asciilifeform my brother, for example, had one [19:29]
thestringpuller Look at HL Goldsrc as prime example. [19:29]
asciilifeform (was game dev in that period) [19:29]
thestringpuller or even UDK from that era [19:30]
asciilifeform some were cleaned up and 'productized' [19:30]
asciilifeform cannot speak for the quality, but the demand - was there [19:30]
asciilifeform is still there. [19:30]
asciilifeform the language 'naked' is entirely unusable [19:30]
asciilifeform for anything but trivial 'homework' [19:30]
thestringpuller this is why Naughty Dog builds the object layer in LISP [19:31]
thestringpuller http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?LispInJakAndDaxter << for reference [19:31]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=849 [19:31]
assbot Loper OS » The curious incident of the Lisp in the night-time ... ( http://bit.ly/1De9XPN ) [19:31]
asciilifeform also note that that outfit, like many others (yes, it isn't in 'nyt', but still existed) wrote a miniature 'college' lisp-flavoured scripting language inside their normal runtime [19:32]
asciilifeform which is entirely not the same thing as a product developed and shipped in a standardized, adult common lisp system (what naggum earned his bread with) [19:33]
asciilifeform yet for some odd reason these activities are lumped in together [19:33]
asciilifeform i, for one, didn't fully grasp the difference until i heard that charlatan (baggett) speak [19:33]
thestringpuller i see. i just found it amusing game developers would rather not write C++ at all [19:34]
asciilifeform junkyard dogs, the lot of them, who found something valuable and stole a piece [19:34]
thestringpuller the PS2's C++ interface was...not fun... [19:34]
asciilifeform like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' [19:34]
asciilifeform you can see the results in museum [19:34]
thestringpuller sound similar to using microscope as hammer [19:34]
thestringpuller maybe different side of coin [19:34]
asciilifeform nice heavy electron microscope [19:35]
asciilifeform makes great drop-hammer [19:35]
thestringpuller "this ruins the microscope" [19:35]
asciilifeform more valuable than any particular microscope, even the rarest, is the -idea- of a microscope [19:36]
asciilifeform it takes more than one 'blacksmith' and his 'hammers' to ruin that, but eventually - yes, ruined. [19:36]
asciilifeform but to go back to the basic point of the musical interlude, [19:37]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: this article is gold. Dave Baggett elaborated more in the comments. [19:38]
asciilifeform 1) the idea of tearing out 'boost' while retaining the 'satoshi cleanup' concept of therealbitcoin project - is a total impossibility [19:38]
asciilifeform 2) tearing out 'boost' while keeping the project in cpp will turn it into an unreadable morass of crud that makes the existing turd look like the finest sausage [19:38]
asciilifeform (how? let's start with those iterations, every single one of which will suddenly need a nonsense variable; all the things that will have to be declared for the occasion, that presently are genericized; etc) [19:39]
thestringpuller like a dyslexic spider weaving a web. [19:40]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: background for that article: herr baggett came to my town once, and gave a public talk where he pitched a militantly idiotic 'startup' (nothing whatsoever to do with games, a weird proprietary, closed-source email client with 'new, exciting, unprecedented' spam filter that is a poor clone of 1990s state of the art) [19:40]
asciilifeform i was utterly floored by the sheer imbecility [19:41]
asciilifeform and apparent sincerity [19:41]
asciilifeform there were two logical scenarios that formed in my head, 1) he did the things he was credited for, and somebody then came and scooped out his brain 2) he didn't, took credit after someone else did, was the kind of fellow selected for this next stage of meritwash [19:42]
asciilifeform i must point out that i have no idea whether 1 or 2 [19:43]
asciilifeform but was unable to come up with any plausible 3 whatsoever. [19:43]
thestringpuller game developers are kind of like rappers, after a certain age their "hip-ness" runs out. [19:44]
thestringpuller see Coolio [19:44]
asciilifeform no idea if this has anything to do with age, or the fact that games industry died. [19:44]
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thestringpuller the indie developers killed it [19:45]
asciilifeform which 'indie developers' [19:46]
asciilifeform the ones sharecropping under apple? [19:46]
asciilifeform or valve? [19:46]
thestringpuller At least Phil Fish isn't being merit washed. [19:46]
thestringpuller The latter. [19:46]
thestringpuller indie dev's line up to suck Gabe's cock even if he can't see it. [19:47]
asciilifeform https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B9EKh_lIEAE1O8u.jpg << punkman found this a while ago [19:47]
thestringpuller also notice how carmack is slave to Zuckerberg now. [19:47]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DedgXe ) [19:47]
asciilifeform ^ how apple meritwash works [19:47]
thestringpuller that's some clockwork orange shit right there [19:48]
asciilifeform that, if it isn't obvious, is a 'review farm.' [19:49]
asciilifeform and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span [19:50]
thestringpuller this is why freemium games are the work of the canadian devil [19:51]
asciilifeform where the practical distinction between a satisfied user and a spammer who wrote a review in exchange for a bowl of rice and a day's pass from the sex slave farm, is purely academic [19:51]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: ah and this is probably why the whole GamerGate thing occurred last August. [19:52]
* asciilifeform confesses that he could not be bothered to unravel the how-and-why behind that particular wankage [19:52]
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asciilifeform it was utterly incomprehensible to the uninitiated. [19:52]
thestringpuller the uproar is what is interesting. uproar over people who don't matter. [19:53]
punkman ^ my thoughts: "who the fuck are these people and why is anyone writing about their sex life" [19:55]
thestringpuller punkman: exactly! [19:56]
asciilifeform ^ [19:56]
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asciilifeform in other news, [20:01]
asciilifeform 'gnat' appears to be entirely unbuildable on gentoo [20:01]
asciilifeform having succumbed to shitgnomism years ago. [20:01]
asciilifeform (and before anyone asks, no, it is not a simple matter to build it from source like any other thing. needs an existing gcc configured to play ball in order to bootstrap itself) [20:04]
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punkman asciilifeform: do you have any machines running coreboot? [20:09]
asciilifeform punkman: as a matter of fact, i do [20:09]
asciilifeform punkman: but none of them feature 'consumer pc' hardware [20:09]
punkman I grabbed a couple of T60s to give it a go [20:10]
asciilifeform wintel answered the threat posed by 'coreboot' et al by stuffing shitgnomism straight into the silicon (southbridge, and soon cpu proper) [20:11]
jurov http://packages.gentoo.org/package/dev-lang/gnat-gpl << this? [20:11]
assbot Gentoo Packages /package/dev-lang/gnat-gpl [20:11]
asciilifeform sanity is a losing battle on x86. [20:11]
asciilifeform jurov: it [20:11]
asciilifeform or actually, no [20:11]
asciilifeform gnat-gcc [20:12]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2.5 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar" http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 12(Y):88(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.7053 BTC. Current weight: 65,203. [20:19]
asciilifeform jurov: what's more, it dies without any kind of informative message at all. [20:19]
[]bot Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "Light Sweet Crude Oil (WTI) to drop under $30 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1112/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 14.99351 BTC. Current weight: 61,431. [20:19]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Bitcoin to drop under $100 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1108/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 14(Y):86(N) by weight. Total bet: 15.93457636 BTC. Current weight: 52,366. [20:19]
asciilifeform jurov: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/gnat.txt (too big for pastebin) [20:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/179quXs ) [20:25]
asciilifeform 'make[5]: *** [unwind-dw2.o] Error 1' seems to be the boojum [20:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00039975 = 18.5884 BTC [-] [20:28]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? [20:33]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: what'd be the point of this exercise ? [20:34]
thestringpuller so qntra can report on the derpage? [20:34]
asciilifeform re: gentoo: is it just me or did most of the ports mirrors die in the past 2 or so weeks ? [20:34]
asciilifeform as in, gone ? [20:34]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: it is unlikely that anyone would wish to pay what this costs. [20:35]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: try one of the un/under-employed folks around here [20:35]
asciilifeform https://cryptoconsortium.org/certifications/CBP << mega-lol [20:38]
assbot Certified Bitcoin Professional (CBP) | CryptoCurrency Certification Consortium (C4) ... ( http://bit.ly/179rCu2 ) [20:38]
jurov thestringpuller why alf specifically? [20:55]
asciilifeform ^ [20:55]
jurov and how much? [20:57]
thestringpuller cause he is guaranteed to pass it. i guess others too. but he was the first that came to mind. [20:58]
jurov lol. as if one cannot fail and write about it? [20:59]
asciilifeform thestringpuller was probably thinking of their other exam, re: internals of bitcoind, but iirc it is only available to the select few [20:59]
thestringpuller my biggest hesitation is the coin goes directly into the waterfall i.e. hands of enemy [21:00]
thestringpuller (Buterin is one of directos of C4) [21:01]
jurov internals of bitcoind? like, the whip out the cane, point to line test? [21:01]
jurov doubt even satoshi himself would pass [21:01]
jurov "Duration: 2 years" (from the CBP link) how do i parse this? [21:05]
jurov that's enough for master's degree :) [21:05]
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jurov aaaahh i saw "renewal fee" and it clicked.. apparently they plan to make bitcoin obsolete after 2 years? [21:07]
jurov i think i can take it, if paid. hence, how much? [21:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 119394 @ 0.0004044 = 48.2829 BTC [+] [21:14]
jurov linux-unwind.h:138: error: field 'info' has incomplete type << asciilifeform haven't you missed this? (from gnat.txt) [21:15]
jurov going off, laters! [21:15]
thestringpuller jurov: .2xxx btc I'll pay it...for freedom of press and stuff. [21:16]
thestringpuller cazalla: I guess we should discuss potential article from findings if this goes through. [21:16]
cazalla thestringpuller, i just sat down then so need to catch up on logs etc [21:18]
cazalla smashed my iphone in a burst of anger so.. no more apple products here (ipad already went out the window) [21:18]
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asciilifeform jurov: eagle eyes, ty [21:19]
asciilifeform jurov: http://forge.ispras.ru/issues/4295 << interestingly, ancient issue, afaik never fixed. [21:19]
assbot Bug #4295: Issue between aspectator and new glibc at different architectures - C Instrumentation Framework - Open-Source Projects ... ( http://bit.ly/1EeRsYG ) [21:20]
cazalla an utter absolute shit morning, sometimes it would be nice to be a shut in hermit with nobody with 10km [21:20]
asciilifeform cazalla: for our edification, care to describe the burst of anger ? [21:20]
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cazalla asciilifeform, the why doesn't really matter.. lesson here is not to have 2fa on device you often have with you if prone to smashing things [21:22]
asciilifeform iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' [21:23]
* asciilifeform wonders if he's the only fella here who has never rage-smashed a keyboard, pNohe, pNablet, ..., etc [21:23]
cazalla asciilifeform, the sound of breaking glass is actually quite soothing [21:25]
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danielpbarron will be the last "smart" phone i ever buy (also happens to have been the first) [21:33]
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ben_vulpes i carried it. << btcauditor when [21:57]
asciilifeform https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536124 [22:02]
assbot Bug 536124 – dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.4.7 - In file included from .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/unwind-dw2.c:333: .../work/gcc-4.4.7/gcc/config/i386/linux-unwind.h:138: error: field ‘info’ has incomplete type ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsPiHj ) [22:02]
asciilifeform ^ yes, apparently documented bug [22:02]
asciilifeform ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing [22:03]
asciilifeform that will one day be cut down, at around two metre's height, and sharpened. [22:03]
asciilifeform (the stump, that is) [22:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42609 @ 0.00040978 = 17.4603 BTC [+] {2} [22:03]
asciilifeform ever time you sit down and submit a patch to something-or-other, knowing that it might silently break proggys used by actual people, [22:04]
asciilifeform think about that tree. [22:04]
asciilifeform and the arse it was born to slide into. [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16741 @ 0.00041322 = 6.9177 BTC [+] [22:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19800 @ 0.00041322 = 8.1818 BTC [+] [22:07]
mircea_popescu i carried it. << btcauditor when << i guess once Pierre_Rochard gets bored of new york ? [22:09]
BingoBoingo ^ message to all shitgnomes: somewhere, in a forest, a pine tree is growing << Why pine? [22:09]
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BingoBoingo !up PeterL [22:10]
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PeterL hi BingoBoingo [22:10]
BingoBoingo hi [22:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: birch works too [22:10]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: need the right thickness. [22:10]
asciilifeform not many birches in gringolandia though [22:10]
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thestringpuller PeterL: is scoopbot okay? [22:11]
BingoBoingo Birches out here. My concern though was perhaps a tree with decent Urushiol content like cashew. [22:11]
PeterL doesn't look like it [22:11]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/0e66631d7cd8abd3ec022597794b13e5/tumblr_mkwp7sBFdK1s9tujho1_1280.jpg [22:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsQMRT ) [22:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that just looks like an ordinary day at the dentist's. [22:12]
mircea_popescu mhm [22:12]
thestringpuller Dentist puts cock in your mouth? [22:12]
PeterL thestringpuller: It seems to be misbehaving since I added your blog? [22:12]
thestringpuller its cause I use tumblr :( [22:12]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: no cock in the photo [22:12]
thestringpuller cock will be inserted at some point, that is the purpose of device no? [22:13]
thestringpuller to keep mouth open despite insertion of cock [22:13]
asciilifeform or drill [22:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: like the barbarians who carved up roman mosaics for sword hilt 'bling' << once upon a time, thinking this is particularly romanian, wrote a romanian article about it [22:13]
thestringpuller ~_~ [22:13]
mircea_popescu then i learned better. [22:13]
asciilifeform srsly, i'm pretty sure i've had that very gag in [22:13]
asciilifeform at the dentistinquisitioner's [22:13]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform dja feel dirty yet ? :D [22:13]
asciilifeform l0l [22:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37600 @ 0.00041322 = 15.5371 BTC [+] [22:13]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: the indie developers killed it << no, they didn't. what killed it was the complete inability of the new generation to do any sort of useful work WHATSOEVER [22:15]
mircea_popescu even for their own amusement. [22:15]
mircea_popescu people born in the 50s played rogue for fun [22:16]
mircea_popescu people born in the 70s can scarcely cluck at the ipad screen without some sort of "CONGRATULATIONS!!1" [22:16]
asciilifeform wai, where [22:16]
asciilifeform 80s - rogue [22:17]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what's the difference? [22:17]
asciilifeform 90s - scarcely clutch [22:17]
mircea_popescu * numbers might not be exact [22:17]
asciilifeform 70s - 'advent' [22:17]
asciilifeform 60s - solved gnarly integrals for phun [22:17]
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thestringpuller at least the 60s had better access to drugs? [22:17]
asciilifeform thestringpuller so usa-centric [22:18]
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thestringpuller born 'an raised [22:18]
thestringpuller asciilifeform mircea_popescu people still play nethack for fun :P [22:19]
asciilifeform 'nethack' and other 'roguelikes' (anyone recall 'angband' ?) are sorta timeless [22:20]
mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/7de75d4ebda90e2d168a79213340fe62/tumblr_n54dwd5MBJ1sr11rlo1_400.gif [22:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsS9jD ) [22:20]
mircea_popescu ^ marriage. [22:21]
asciilifeform wat [22:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: and something like this is quite inevitable when a product degenerates to that level of necessary attention span << has nothing to do with the product, everything to do with the society. [22:22]
mircea_popescu in a world made out of equal idiots who don't have gpg sigs, THAT is the only possible human activity. [22:22]
asciilifeform ^ the activity shown in the chinese photo, in particular, yes. [22:23]
asciilifeform aka meatpuppetry. [22:23]
mircea_popescu yea [22:23]
thestringpuller there will always be mechanical turks [22:23]
asciilifeform though, strictly speaking there are two activities (the other being that of the meatpuppeteer, of course) [22:23]
mircea_popescu only for as long as the concept that "people can have ideas" and "tim swhatever knows hopw normal debates work" [22:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is not as different as it seams. [22:24]
mircea_popescu the difference between a goat and a goat herder is certainly not apparent to any passing lady of society. [22:24]
asciilifeform in as much as he too would rather be elsewhere - aye [22:24]
BingoBoingo https://blockchain.info/charts/avg-block-size?timespan=all&showDataPoints=false&daysAverageString=1&show_header=true&scale=0&address= [22:24]
mircea_popescu no. inasmuch as *elsewhere* can tell. [22:24]
assbot Bitcoin Average Block Size ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsSJ0B ) [22:24]
mircea_popescu http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdlcllvbtU1rk1wwgo1_1280.jpg [22:28]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTnvg ) [22:28]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller: so qntra can report on the derpage? << reporting on the idiocy is doing it more service than it deserves in any perspective. [22:29]
mircea_popescu simple strategic thinking : first, let them put some skin in the game, by for instance creating a "Bitcoin Consultancy" [22:29]
mircea_popescu then, let them go into business, by for instance signing a contract to "save" Bitcoinica [22:29]
mircea_popescu THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. [22:29]
mircea_popescu this is how you deal with aspirational muppets, not by reporting on their idiocy. [22:30]
mircea_popescu jurov: doubt even satoshi himself would pass << why do you think he pulled a runner. [22:30]
PeterL a fool who keeps his mouth shut is counted wise [22:31]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller> my biggest hesitation is the << your hesitation is correct. at this stage qntra wouldn't report on that shit even if *they* paid. [22:32]
mats http://cm.bell-labs.com/who/ken/trust.html [22:32]
assbot ACM Classic: Reflections on Trusting Trust ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsTWVT ) [22:32]
asciilifeform mats: you just met this ?!! [22:33]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: THEN ruin them utterly, so that everyone involved still, to this day, can't get work like Strateman. << MagicalTux falls in this category. I don't think any of the DERP lists have management with WoT identities. [22:33]
thestringpuller (F.DERP listings that is) [22:33]
mircea_popescu iirc, mircea_popescu is also a 'smasher' << keyboards tho. [22:33]
mats asciilifeform: yes :( [22:33]
mircea_popescu thompson's self-diddling compiler is mentioned in the logs on a ~5 month period [22:35]
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mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/465104f1ba6c1647997207a2001cc153/tumblr_mxrij9HZZg1ra163eo5_r1_250.gif << the new systemlinux [22:45]
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mircea_popescu !up tardstalker [22:45]
-assbot- You voiced tardstalker for 30 minutes. [22:45]
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BingoBoingo Rectum? Nearly kill e dum http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2954500/American-youth-seriously-gored-bull-Spain.html [22:52]
assbot American Benjamin Miller gored by bull at Ciudad Rodrigo's Carnaval del Toro in Spain yesterday | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsWOSu ) [22:52]
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BingoBoingo http://www.clarionledger.com/story/news/2015/02/13/weisenberger-indicted-simple-assault/23349985/?from=global&sessionKey=&autologin= [22:57]
assbot Madison Co. judge accused of racial abuse indicted ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsXI1r ) [22:57]
asciilifeform 'The attorney for Charles Plumpp said Weisenberger arrested and jailed her client, who is African American, on the nonexistence charge of "roaming livestock."' [22:58]
asciilifeform ^ l0l! [22:58]
BingoBoingo It's like one of those Russian skits on Usian racial policies in the 1950's [23:00]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: or a judge that 'needed to have problems' for some reason unknown to us [23:00]
asciilifeform how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges [23:01]
asciilifeform by wishing really hard ? [23:01]
BingoBoingo Most country governments tend to let the judges go a bit feral [23:01]
asciilifeform when it sums to harmless. [23:01]
punkman roaming livestock is no joke [23:02]
asciilifeform put the bull back in his yoke [23:02]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/02/bter-com-alleges-theft-of-7170-btc/ [23:03]
assbot Bter.com Alleges Theft Of 7170 BTC | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsYATz ) [23:03]
punkman (spotted local news the other day about idiot that let his sheep wander all over some town, they rounded them up, will charge him 50eu per head to get them back. or to the butcher's if he doesn't claim them in 2 weeks) [23:04]
asciilifeform punkman: 50eu per head << what are they worth, approximately ? [23:05]
punkman more than that [23:05]
asciilifeform presumably [23:05]
asciilifeform but how much [23:05]
punkman I suppose you can get a decent sheep for 150-200 [23:05]
asciilifeform qntra article << wai wat, there are/were actual companies registered in virgin islands? not merely mail boxes for sp4mz0rz ? [23:07]
punkman wrong, actually more like 110-120 for 1 year old sheep in local classifieds [23:07]
BingoBoingo https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Muhammad_Sex_Simulator_2015 [23:08]
assbot Muhammad Sex Simulator 2015 - Encyclopedia Dramatica ... ( http://bit.ly/1AsZmjE ) [23:08]
mircea_popescu how do you suppose they line up the pliant judges << good point this. [23:09]
mircea_popescu cazalla lmao they had 7k btc like roger ver has what to pay the gas bill with. [23:10]
asciilifeform his gas bill will be complimentary of usg [23:13]
asciilifeform or if kitchen gas - then yes [23:13]
BingoBoingo http://www.bnd.com/2015/02/13/3661065/judge-rejects-600-pound-mans-request.html#storylink=omni_popular#wgt=pop << Javascript off to circumvent paywall [23:13]
assbot Metro-east news from Belleville, IL | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0hAB ) [23:13]
mircea_popescu lmao js paywall. [23:14]
mircea_popescu the layers of idiocy srsly. [23:14]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: i expected the 'request' to be for hanging rather than electric chair, or the like [23:14]
asciilifeform (when else does fat of the prisoner play a part) [23:14]
BingoBoingo tits for the one's who've been in there a while to play with? [23:15]
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asciilifeform unrelated, gnat-gcc-4.6.4 does in fact build. [23:15]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2012/ossessione/ << if anyone's looking for a good 40s film. [23:16]
assbot Ossessione pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At0JyK ) [23:16]
BingoBoingo other news on the Illinois collapse http://thesouthern.com/ap/state/state-owes-some-illinois-state-police-troopers-each/article_bc848ee1-a58e-5071-85bf-4ed487f19f68.html [23:18]
assbot State owes some Illinois State Police troopers $10,000 each : State ... ( http://bit.ly/1At118U ) [23:18]
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mircea_popescu http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/00-8452.ZD1.html << apparently consensus has been poorly understood by the supreme court no less, as early as 2002. [23:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhlmbf ) [23:21]
mircea_popescu "if we like it it [23:21]
mircea_popescu 's consensus!" [23:21]
mircea_popescu "The Court pays lipservice to these precedents as it miraculously extracts a “national consensus” forbidding execution of the mentally retarded, ante, at 12, from the fact that 18 States–less than half (47%) of the 38 States that permit capital punishment (for whom the issue exists)–have very recently enacted legislation barring execution of the mentally retarded. Even that 47% figure is a distorted one. If one [23:22]
mircea_popescu is to say, as the Court does today, that all executions of the mentally retarded are so morally repugnant as to violate our national “standards of decency,” surely the “consensus” it points to must be one that has set its righteous face against all such executions. Not 18 States, but only seven–18% of death penalty jurisdictions–have legislation of that scope." [23:22]
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mircea_popescu the libertard is a particularly insidious totalitarian, in that he doesn't even admit his outright enmity to liberalism. [23:23]
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mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2uek9v/famous_bitcoin_shill_andreas_anontopolous_will/co7x5om <<< this is possibly the lulziest thing i saw all day. [23:38]
assbot dgerard comments on Famous Bitcoin shill Andreas Anontopolous will attempt to convince the DPR jury into buying bitcoins. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At49S3 ) [23:38]
mircea_popescu so : the powerless have decided that the way to attack me is through... google bombing. [23:39]
mircea_popescu but since they do not wish to o may gawd promote my stuff with their impotent brownian motion, they use some sort of google juice filter (no idea if it works). [23:39]
mircea_popescu think about that for a minute : google bombing through a google separator. [23:39]
decimation asciilifeform: that 'intel boot guard' is scary [23:40]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: random question. If someone paid for you to take Buterin's C4 (Certified Bitcoin Professional) exam, would you do it? << wait, CBP is a Buterin project? [23:40]
mircea_popescu ;;google don't go chasing butterfalls [23:40]
gribble Chasing Waterfalls - VISITvortex: ; Watkins Glen State Park - Watkins Glen, NY | Yelp: ; Buttermilk Falls Campground (Shunk, PA) - Campground Reviews ...: [23:40]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WEtxJ4-sh4 [23:40]
assbot TLC - Waterfalls - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1At4qVg ) [23:40]
cazalla lol trilema is do not link on buttcoin? [23:41]
cazalla i guess that is no unexpected from a bunch of idiots who ban me from commenting in their subreddit but upvote qntra anyway [23:41]
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BingoBoingo Well reddit is all nofollow links anyways [23:43]
mircea_popescu i don't think google actually honors those. [23:44]
mircea_popescu it mines them for info, yes, but it doesn't actually give the users any power. [23:44]
BingoBoingo Prolly depends who is implementing it. [23:44]
mircea_popescu would be contrary to what they do generally, anyway. [23:44]
BingoBoingo Google does't act generally anymore though [23:44]
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BingoBoingo That's why it is so broken [23:44]
mircea_popescu https://freereiser.wordpress.com/2008/07/11/whoops/ << this IS pretty lulzy [23:45]
assbot Whoops | Hans Reiser Is Innocent ... ( http://bit.ly/1zhmXhg ) [23:45]
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mircea_popescu then again, i don't see any of the "Global Warming ? opps!" "QE ? oops!" etc posts from the libertards, so i guess a slightly cleaner toad is still the prettier princess. [23:45]
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BingoBoingo Hearn foundation client update: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2vveeq/using_mike_hearns_bitcoin_xt_instead_of_bitcoin/colk0t9 [23:51]
assbot LifeIsSoSweet comments on Using Mike Hearn's Bitcoin XT instead of Bitcoin Core as full node took just a couple of minutes. ... ( http://bit.ly/1At6koP ) [23:51]
mircea_popescu "Cantidad dormitorios: 2 / Cantidad baños: 3" [23:55]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is Departamentos Diarrhea then ? [23:55]
mircea_popescu no shits left behind! [23:56]
BingoBoingo Nah, It's American style. Bathrooms are the new show of affluence [23:56]
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mircea_popescu and yet you savages still don't have cunt basins as a regular fixture, amirite ? [23:57]
BingoBoingo Indeed, that would make each bathroom more expensive. [23:57]
mircea_popescu s/"what could one possibily need THAT for"/"what is oral sex???"/ [23:57]
BingoBoingo The goal in contemporary American home architecture as espoused by HGTV is concealing from visitors the set of bathrooms used for actual bathroom functions [23:58]
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