Forum logs for 15 Apr 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 934 @ 0.14 = 130.76 BTC [00:01]
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nubbins` no onjoin msg from assbot anymore? [00:02]
benkay i've seen a few... [00:02]
nubbins` ah, i didn't get one these past two joins [00:02]
benkay hm [00:02]
benkay assbot's busy i guess [00:02]
nubbins` !busy [00:03]
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thestringpuller ! nubbins` [00:03]
thestringpuller lol [00:03]
artifexd Does anyone else read !up and !down as "not up" and "not down"? [00:03]
nubbins` i do now :( [00:03]
nubbins` makes sense tho [00:04]
nubbins` declare that you're not up, assbot fixes it [00:04]
nubbins` man, i'm really good at making shepherd's pie [00:04]
artifexd ha [00:04]
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artifexd Speaking of bots, who runs ozbot? [00:06]
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kakobrekla i got the notice. [00:06]
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artifexd oh neat [00:07]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/ [00:07]
nubbins` guess i'm just lucky [00:07]
Apocalyptic so kakobrekla how is thing atc.blockr.io thing going ? they are integrating x-bt or not ? [00:07]
benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html re canada and bitcoins [00:08]
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kakobrekla its not a life and death situation is it? ill see re that next time we meet. [00:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 160 @ 0.14 = 22.4 BTC {2} [00:10]
benkay mircea_popescu: would you tell @patrickmcguire that i broke the canadian bitcoins story a month ago? [00:10]
BingoBoingo https://bitcointa.lk/threads/beware-of-fbessatt-man-in-the-middle-scam-attempt.298926/ [00:10]
benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/03/19_the-tragedy-of-remote-hands-canadian-bitcoins-robbed-of-14394.html [00:10]
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Apocalyptic https://bitcointa.lk/threads/vircurex-is-now-missing-5000-btc.298640/ << nice to see people awakening [00:13]
Apocalyptic kako, no issue, it's clearly not [00:13]
BingoBoingo Apocalyptic: It's just taking... something... [00:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 171 @ 0.14 = 23.94 BTC [00:15]
thestringpuller people are actually buying ALC? [00:25]
thestringpuller i feel like I should jump the bandwagon for when it bubbles [00:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00528509 = 0.5285 BTC [-] {5} [00:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06699969 = 0.268 BTC [+] [00:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1397 @ 0.00010616 = 0.1483 BTC [-] {4} [00:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.00096135 = 8.7483 BTC [+] {2} [00:29]
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jurov http://thecodelesscode.com/case/131 [00:33]
jurov http://thecodelesscode.com/case/140?topic=Heartbleed+Bug also :D [00:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [-] [00:36]
BingoBoingo !t h cog [00:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK:COG] 1D: 0.01500000 / 0.01589208 / 0.01789970 (26 shares, 0.41319401 BTC), 7D: 0.00963822 / 0.01410326 / 0.02000000 (249 shares, 3.51171268 BTC), 30D: 0.00030000 / 0.01596362 / 0.08800000 (2140 shares, 34.16213748 BTC) [00:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.519 = 2.595 BTC [-] [00:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5195025 BTC [+] [00:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.52955355 = 1.0591 BTC [+] {2} [00:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.54 = 1.08 BTC [+] [01:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00095753 = 7.373 BTC [-] {2} [01:20]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.00095711 = 6.0298 BTC [-] [01:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 60 @ 0.01019 = 0.6114 BTC [-] {9} [01:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 209 @ 0.00509186 = 1.0642 BTC [-] {10} [01:56]
BingoBoingo artifexd: I actually probably would have been more likely to have written this http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/baseballs-new-strategy-drop-the-ball-on-purpose/ [01:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 628 @ 0.00444919 = 2.7941 BTC [-] {35} [01:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5350001 BTC [-] [02:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 99 @ 0.00399999 = 0.396 BTC [-] [02:03]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [02:03]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 464.71, Best ask: 464.93, Bid-ask spread: 0.22000, Last trade: 464.93, 24 hour volume: 33644.77357654, 24 hour low: 408.0, 24 hour high: 475.0, 24 hour vwap: 448.992084165 [02:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 31 @ 0.004 = 0.124 BTC [+] [02:06]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [02:07]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095391 / 0.00096095 / 0.00096987 (584289 shares, 561.47 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096916 / 0.00101 (3327949 shares, 3,225.32 BTC), 30D: 0.00079506 / 0.00092608 / 0.00101 (23296673 shares, 21,574.72 BTC) [02:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2573 @ 0.00010561 = 0.2717 BTC [-] {5} [02:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.004 = 0.26 BTC [+] [02:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4000 @ 0.000105 = 0.42 BTC [-] {7} [02:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.535 BTC [-] [02:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 230 @ 0.004 = 0.92 BTC [+] {2} [02:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.535 BTC [-] [02:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00010192 = 0.3058 BTC [-] {8} [02:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 129 @ 0.004 = 0.516 BTC [+] [02:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00096176 = 6.3957 BTC [+] {3} [02:15]
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mike_c !t h rent [02:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (214 shares, 1.60500000 BTC), 7D: 0.00750000 / 0.0075 / 0.00750000 (1496 shares, 11.22000000 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00706909 / 0.00750000 (26926 shares, 190.34218497 BTC) [02:33]
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mike_c my bank wants me to update my mobile app with a new version that can pair with bluetooth devices. that makes sense. [02:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.535 = 1.605 BTC [-] [02:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [-] [02:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9100 @ 0.0009614 = 8.7487 BTC [-] {2} [02:41]
BingoBoingo What is this odd combination of bank, app, and mobile? [02:42]
nubbins` dude you don't do your banking on your phone?! [02:42]
mike_c it's just fiat. [02:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 652 @ 0.00058973 = 0.3845 BTC [+] {4} [02:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5294999 BTC [-] [02:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00456947 = 0.265 BTC [+] {3} [02:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 230 @ 0.00059001 = 0.1357 BTC [+] [02:45]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: My phone makes and recieves calls. [02:45]
nubbins` nice [02:45]
nubbins` my phone is built into a computer ;( [02:45]
mike_c so hah! you do banking on your phone too. [02:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1021 @ 0.00063334 = 0.6466 BTC [+] {3} [02:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00466513 = 0.1726 BTC [+] [02:46]
nubbins` who said i didn't? :D [02:46]
nubbins` i do banking on my phone more often than i do it on my laptop. [02:47]
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mike_c the only thing i use the phone for is depositing checks. that is handy. [02:47]
nubbins` nod [02:49]
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nubbins` CIBC mobile app recently added that feature [02:49]
nubbins` altho tbh i generally just walk to the bank [02:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.00096218 = 1.3471 BTC [+] [03:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 15 @ 0.0075 = 0.1125 BTC [+] [03:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 58 @ 0.00485 = 0.2813 BTC [+] {2} [03:05]
nubbins` ;;calc 50/[ticker --last] [03:07]
gribble 0.108117458807 [03:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00096237 = 9.2388 BTC [+] {2} [03:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 830 @ 0.0075 = 6.225 BTC [+] [03:12]
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nubbins` thestringpuller: there's a trilema article, one sec [03:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8305 @ 0.00011047 = 0.9175 BTC [-] {13} [03:19]
nubbins` http://trilema.com/2013/the-stock-warrant-instrument-explained/ [03:20]
ozbot The Stock Warrant instrument explained pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:20]
nubbins` http://trilema.com/2013/proper-accounting-for-stock-warrants/ [03:20]
ozbot Proper accounting for stock warrants pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [03:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6527 @ 0.00009727 = 0.6349 BTC [-] {11} [03:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16491 @ 0.00096247 = 15.8721 BTC [+] [03:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00010018 = 0.2004 BTC [+] {2} [03:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+] [03:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+] [03:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.534999 BTC [+] [03:51]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0305111 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2} [03:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.030511 = 0.3051 BTC [-] {2} [04:00]
thestringpuller ;;calc ( 0.00096482 - 0.00095473 ) / 0.00096482 [04:02]
gribble 0.0104579092473 [04:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2404 @ 0.00010099 = 0.2428 BTC [+] {2} [04:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1861 @ 0.00010099 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {2} [04:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06699976 = 0.134 BTC [+] [04:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00095545 = 12.7075 BTC [-] {4} [04:08]
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asciilifeform http://www.businessinsider.com/malaysia-plane-lithium-ion-batteries-2014-3 [04:18]
ozbot Malaysia Plane Was Carrying Lithium-Ion Batteries - Business Insider [04:18]
asciilifeform but! [04:19]
asciilifeform http://www.customsinfo.com/Industry-Blog/bid/162527/New-Regulations-for-Shipping-Li-ion-Batteries [04:19]
ozbot New Regulations for Shipping Li-ion Batteries [04:19]
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asciilifeform (tldr - all planes have 'hazardous battery!111!' in cargo manifest) [04:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096321 = 4.2381 BTC [+] {3} [04:20]
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nubbins` !up adolf_fishler [04:27]
assbot Voicing adolf_fishler for 30 minutes. [04:27]
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nubbins` i gave it a chance [04:27]
nubbins` nicolas cage is such a bad actor [04:27]
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TestingUnoDosTre laughable at best - "ICAO does not consider these changes will necessarily reduce incidents involving lithium batteries; but they will significantly improve safety." [04:28]
nubbins` unfortunately i'll never know [04:28]
asciilifeform adolf_fishler get in the wot. [04:28]
asciilifeform mein fuhrer. [04:28]
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ozbot Hitlers were county pioneers - News - CircleVilleToday.com [04:30]
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asciilifeform TestingUnoDosTre: found the battery crap when mailing a package and they now ask 'no lithium batteries, swear?' [04:33]
asciilifeform apparently, it is now forbidden to mail... electric watch. [04:34]
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TestingUnoDosTre how about laptops/tablets/phones, etc? [04:34]
asciilifeform theoretically - them, too [04:34]
TestingUnoDosTre Not that I condone sheer stupidity, but this was a major ripoff https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nztzwMiQTaI [04:36]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells... [04:46]
nubbins` ah, quantity discounts [04:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: it's been years since i saw one for sale. [04:46]
nubbins` added 4 extra shirts to an order, saved $15 by doing so [04:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I changed watch batteries at a mall kiosk years back. I still see them on the shelves. There's still many available [04:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00275116 = 0.11 BTC [+] {3} [04:47]
asciilifeform mostly li cells in same form factor, afaik [04:48]
BingoBoingo http://www.amazon.com/Renata-Silver-Oxide-Battery-Button/dp/B001C19TI0 [04:48]
ozbot Amazon.com: Renata Silver Oxide Watch Battery For Renata 364 Button Cell: Watches [04:48]
asciilifeform neato [04:48]
BingoBoingo http://www.amazon.com/Sony-364-SR621SW-Silver-Battery/dp/B002E0S2RC/ref=pd_sbs_watch_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1PPZHV3BNTZ8YWK2NC9V [04:48]
ozbot Amazon.com: Sony 364 SR621SW 1.55V Silver Oxide Watch Battery (Pack of 5): Electronics [04:48]
BingoBoingo Now... A lot of similar batteries in the same form factor will emit the long form labeling and the naming tends to be less complete. [04:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if it's safe enough for the road it can't not be safe enough for teh planes :D [04:54]
asciilifeform strikes me as a scheme to provide convenient excuse for fire [04:54]
asciilifeform 'it had lithium cells in the cargo!' [04:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: A number of watches still use silver oxide cells... << the better ones, anyway. [04:54]
nubbins` "i used lithium before it was in cells" [04:54]
asciilifeform post office slave claimed they were made to watch 'training' films of burning planes [04:55]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo omit :D to emit is the act committed by the emittor of emissions, whereas to omit is the act of the omittor of omissions [04:56]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: But omission is a swell way to transfer information [04:56]
mircea_popescu hehe [04:57]
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nubbins` ^ never to recommend a bad movie again [04:58]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/cryptostocks-satoshi-poker-ipo.178199/ [04:58]
ozbot [CryptoStocks] Satoshi Poker IPO | Bitcointa.lk [04:58]
BingoBoingo Chicken wings, then wyngz, wyngs don't sell... revert to chicken [04:58]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/satoshi-poker-entire-business-2-day-auction.298910/ [04:58]
BingoBoingo SOmethings [04:58]
ozbot Satoshi Poker - Entire business - 2 day auction | Bitcointa.lk [04:58]
nubbins` hm, titles say it all [04:59]
mircea_popescu if anyone's patient enough, compare the auction result to the ipo proceeds [04:59]
BingoBoingo I think the Seals breach pretty much killed BTC poker. [05:00]
BingoBoingo That and the run up to $1200/BTC [05:01]
mircea_popescu you need someone actually competent for a field to exist. [05:01]
mircea_popescu preferably multiple people, but 1 is a forced minimum [05:01]
asciilifeform http://www.atlasobscura.com/places/oxford-electric-bell [05:02]
ozbot Oxford Electric Bell [05:02]
asciilifeform now that's a battery one can respect. [05:02]
nubbins` not sure if this was discussed earlier: [05:03]
nubbins` http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--xvhmGvYv--/qstimhyd89loxvqvobji.jpg [05:03]
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mircea_popescu that's gotta be fake. [05:08]
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danielpbarron what seals breach? [05:08]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: Happened months ago [05:09]
danielpbarron oh, that [05:09]
danielpbarron that was nothing [05:09]
mircea_popescu pankkake prosecuting poor satoshipoker guy. WHY R U SUCH A TROAL! [05:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu sadly no, copypasta fail [05:09]
mircea_popescu ahaha that stupid chick is cursed huh. [05:10]
nubbins` https://twitter.com/USAirways/status/455789281894604800 [05:10]
ozbot Twitter / USAirways: We apologize for an inappropriate ... [05:10]
mircea_popescu they probably accidentally sent her a care package full of dongs [05:10]
BingoBoingo danielpbarron: It read like a pretty big something [05:10]
nubbins` apparently the original picture was a tweet directed at american airlines [05:10]
nubbins` http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--w6MSH7Dt--/k6z9acgdcqu5lqje4vpq.jpg [05:11]
mircea_popescu Retweets 11,598 Favorites 8,793 << dude us folk are weird. the actual pic never got 11k retweets wtf. [05:11]
mircea_popescu vicarious living! [05:11]
nubbins` ^ this one almost caused pascale to pass out from laughter [05:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00481984 = 0.1253 BTC [+] {2} [05:15]
mircea_popescu "Total owed to players: 19 BTC in player balances in the system, 3.9 BTC in pending withdrawals (I will cover these funds out of the buying price so after buying, company will have 0 liabilities towards its players, software companies or whatsoever)" [05:16]
mircea_popescu so i guess the guy's insolvent and that's his way of breaking the news ? [05:17]
mircea_popescu Satoshi Poker has $118.50/mo net operational costs for the rent of a dedicated server and VPS webhosting package (website and gameserver/bitcoin systems are hosted seperately for security reasons) [05:17]
mircea_popescu After working on the project for the past year, sacrificing my other businesses, investing a lot of time and money and running into personal debts to get it to where it is today, I don't have the time or personal stability to move the business forward to its full potential. Since november I have been working with no marketing budget and no development budget and for the future of SP it is better if somebody with a new [05:19]
mircea_popescu vision and a budget steps in and takes over. At this moment there is a deficit in player funds, and I would be able to cover them by taking out another bank loan but at this point I would rather sell it and cover all balances from the buying price, as it is pointless to run an internet business with no marketing or development budgets and basically working full time to maintain the just under $1000 in monthly turnover. [05:19]
mircea_popescu this'll be good for later linkage. [05:19]
mircea_popescu I have to look for a project that gives me a paycheck and allows me more time to spend with my girlfriend who had a miscarriage while i was sitting in the waiting room in the hospital working on SP... [05:19]
mike_c seems like a reasonable attempt at an orderly shutdown though. not bad for a failing btc business. [05:19]
midnightmagic mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio [05:20]
mircea_popescu mike_c guy could have gone a lot further if he actually used his chances rather than thinking he's smarter that everyone. that's the tragedy part of this drama here. [05:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-10-2013#352196 [05:21]
mike_c ah. i don't know the backstory [05:21]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [05:21]
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mircea_popescu Starting bid of the auction is 30 BTC. Payment of buy is completely in bitcoin, of which 22.9 BTC has to be done to the hot wallet so buyer can see that in fact the balances are covered and remainder has to be sent to me to settle with SP's current investors. [05:22]
mircea_popescu the "investors" that were fed a 4k btc minimum for a 20k btc valuation are going to be dealt with out of... [05:22]
mircea_popescu 8 btc. no wait. 7. seven and change. [05:22]
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kakobrekla he already made buyback soem time ago or smth. [05:23]
mircea_popescu for a satoshi ? [05:23]
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kakobrekla https://cryptostocks.com/securities/55 [05:23]
kakobrekla 08 Nov 11:03 SATOSHI has been delisted. Shareholders will be receiving email notifications. [05:24]
kakobrekla 02 Nov 10:34 Satoshi Poker will delist its asset on CryptoStocks as its team is unreachable. Shares will be bought back at 0.001 share price, giving its shareholders 25% ROI [05:24]
kakobrekla 24 Oct 23:14 Satoshi Poker changed its share structure and share prices. Please see the asset description for more information [05:24]
kakobrekla 24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today [05:24]
kakobrekla 24 Oct 22:44 Satoshi Poker announces a buyback to IPO under better conditions. More info will follow later today [05:24]
kakobrekla 17 Oct 08:20 Satoshi Poker Going Public ! Buy Shares Today .0002 ! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=312764.0 [05:24]
mircea_popescu Market cap. 41,856.72 [05:24]
mircea_popescu srsly. market cap 41k, can't get 30 btc on an open auction. [05:24]
mircea_popescu wait this can't be right [05:24]
mircea_popescu "Satoshi Poker has been delisted and shares have been bought back at 0.001 due to non response of cryptostocks customer service which was harming our IPO" [05:25]
mircea_popescu lmao epic [05:25]
mircea_popescu so wait. how is a 50% loss come to a 25% roi ?! [05:26]
mircea_popescu is this some magical usagi accounting ? [05:26]
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BingoBoingo Has to be [05:27]
mircea_popescu so basically cryptostocks is the stock exchange of the future which was judged too low quality by a guy who was running an asset predicated on taking in two beans, giving back one bean a week later and claiming this is 25% roi. [05:30]
mircea_popescu perhaps one could go lower than that, but for the time being i can't imagine how. [05:30]
mircea_popescu "yo momma's so ugly not even fungus eats her" ? [05:31]
BingoBoingo Yo mamma's so dirty the gangrene left her [05:31]
mircea_popescu lol [05:32]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlOryKUCYAAX4vZ.jpg [05:36]
mircea_popescu these are apartments the chinese built and nobody wants. [05:36]
mircea_popescu talk about a real estate problem. [05:37]
TestingUnoDosTre is that for real? [05:37]
BingoBoingo Kind of like the gambling forum on Bitcointalk, full of sites and projects no one wants [05:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00522955 = 0.523 BTC [+] {5} [05:37]
TestingUnoDosTre this chinese ghost town myth isn't just american commie propaganda? [05:38]
BingoBoingo TestingUnoDosTre: Well there's a bunch of recent construction american ghost towns as well [05:38]
mircea_popescu yup, quite fo real. [05:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.005335 = 0.1174 BTC [+] [05:38]
asciilifeform we have these right here. [05:38]
asciilifeform thousands of condos, maybe 1 in 10 windows lights up at night. [05:39]
asciilifeform and the bezzlers build more, more... [05:39]
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asciilifeform (which, interestingly, affects the prices not at all.) [05:39]
asciilifeform 300k+, whether there are 10 or 100 empties nearby. [05:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had the opportunity to laugh my ass off at a schmuck last week. son of a friend with this pushy, clueless fiancee. she wants them to buy (mostly on his mother's dough) an apt in this building [05:40]
BingoBoingo Full subdivisions, never occupied, each home still for sale, no more than a couple homes from each listed at any given time, the houses take turns in the MLS listings [05:40]
mircea_popescu i'm like don't be fucktarded already, nobody EVER bought there, what's wroing with you [05:40]
mircea_popescu she's like, wtf am i talking about, there's like, lights at night and everything. [05:40]
asciilifeform they don't bother rigging the lights here. [05:41]
mircea_popescu a phone call and twenny minutes later, i introduce them to the cabdriver who turns on the lights each night [05:41]
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mircea_popescu i lol because, well, in typical style of the earlier quoted clueless "businessman" in his own head, they came up for sale once, in late 2009. they wanted x. i made an offer, roughly 0.15 x [05:42]
mircea_popescu they had an aneurism. [05:42]
mircea_popescu then it came up for sale about twice a year, i never bothered to make offers again, but i have little doubt it'll continue indefinitely. [05:42]
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TestingUnoDosTre where are you talking about? [05:43]
TestingUnoDosTre still china? [05:43]
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mircea_popescu i was talking of timisoara, right now, and asciilifeform of some northeast us i guess [05:43]
asciilifeform incidentally, tomorrow is celebrated the greatest american bezzle holiday - tax day [05:43]
mircea_popescu i know, because http://bitbet.us/bet/802/bitcoin-to-drop-under-300-before-june/#c2775 [05:43]
asciilifeform where miscreants who minimize their bezzle radiation exposure get to pay double [05:44]
asciilifeform (in usa, mortgages, for instance, are deducted from taxable income - rent isn't. etc) [05:44]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform rent is, if you're renting as a company. [05:44]
mircea_popescu which theoretically you can't do for living space (must be commercial) [05:44]
mircea_popescu except you can if it's a perk for employees, [05:44]
mircea_popescu except regulations apply. [05:44]
mircea_popescu etc. [05:44]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It's msot of the us, but in different ways. Sometimes condos, sometime subdivisions (probably a part of what makes the rentalstarter thing possible-ish) [05:45]
asciilifeform if you try to get it 'as human' you generally get your arse handed to you. [05:45]
TestingUnoDosTre was just talking to a self proclaimed business man at the bar today, telling me I had to be creative while filing my taxes [05:45]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform in fairness : if you tried to get anything "As a barbarian" 2k years ago, also. [05:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i rent commercial space also, and know this. [05:46]
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asciilifeform another interesting fact about tax in usa (perhaps everyone already knows) - income above a certain sum is taxed at 40-50% [05:48]
asciilifeform but that's enough about our national holiday. [05:48]
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mircea_popescu http://www.openmarket.org/2014/04/14/first-ever-constitutional-ruling-against-dodd-frank-voids-destructive-conflict-minerals-section/?utm_content=buffer15f7d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer [05:52]
ozbot First Ever Constitutional Ruling against Dodd-Frank Voids Destructive “Conflict Minerals” Sectio [05:52]
mircea_popescu apaprently dodd-frank is getting shut down i nthe courts. [05:52]
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mircea_popescu in other news, global warming hits chicago [05:57]
mircea_popescu https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlN2ol3CMAAg2N1.jpg [05:57]
mircea_popescu (april 14th) [05:57]
asciilifeform global worming. [05:58]
BingoBoingo I've heard such things. We are supposed to dip below freezing around St Louis [05:58]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay " where there is no recourse for crime" is perhaps a generalisation in the wrong direction. crime will probably be redefined to mean "of the body", ie, assault. stuff of the mind goes the way you contemplate. [06:02]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:02]
ThickAsThieves big lols at satoshipoker [06:08]
ThickAsThieves those guys are SUPER douchebags [06:08]
ThickAsThieves cant even hold a conversation without showing it immediately [06:09]
mircea_popescu afaik it's one dude. [06:09]
ThickAsThieves i think i talked to two once, but you may be right [06:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3988 @ 0.00096166 = 3.8351 BTC [-] [06:10]
danielpbarron why is the anon dude on satoshipoker's home page showing his hand while throwing chips in? if it's time for showdown, the chips should already be in [06:10]
mircea_popescu maybe it's radical honesty poker [06:11]
ThickAsThieves they got ukyo wrapped up in it, and the bitcoin pride tshirt guy [06:11]
nubbins` radical honesty cards = no fun [06:11]
ThickAsThieves the tshirt guy was trying to sell me his stake while waiting at an airport for his flight [06:12]
nubbins` tried face-up cribbage the other day [06:12]
ThickAsThieves cuz he needed money for cavation [06:12]
ThickAsThieves swore it was a great deal [06:12]
danielpbarron one of the players at my weekly poker games likes to show his hand before showdown sometimes, to try to get other players to react and reveal info [06:12]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you mean in person ?! [06:13]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron it's a rational move in some circumstances, especially no limit [06:13]
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mircea_popescu banned for this very reason, at better run tables. [06:14]
ThickAsThieves nah he was messaging me [06:14]
danielpbarron ya, I agree, but he doesn't throw chips in while doing it [06:14]
mircea_popescu ;;google cavation [06:14]
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gribble Cavitation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Urban Dictionary: Cavation: ; Cavitation - Merriam-Webster Online: [06:14]
BingoBoingo http://thecodelesscode.com/case/66 [06:14]
ozbot The Codeless Code: [06:14]
ThickAsThieves he offered to meet a few times, in miami [06:14]
ThickAsThieves but he was too scummy for me [06:14]
mircea_popescu wow that's a word ?! [06:15]
mircea_popescu the things i learn hanging out with you bums!!11 [06:15]
ThickAsThieves you can thank my 6-finger typing style [06:16]
mircea_popescu but he was too scummy for me << elitism! [06:16]
mircea_popescu we need to come up with an equivalent convo breaker for "check your privilege" [06:16]
ThickAsThieves egads! [06:16]
mircea_popescu perhaps something with cavation in it. [06:17]
mircea_popescu ;;google egads [06:17]
gribble Urban Dictionary: egads: ; Egad - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary: ; egads - definition of egads by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus ...: [06:17]
mircea_popescu that makes two. [06:17]
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mircea_popescu http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-v5MuOyxXvYo/T4mMVuu0TjI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/yX2NNj8YMMo/s1600/239+-+baby+big-eyes+suspicion.jpg [06:18]
ThickAsThieves just be like nubbins grandpa [06:18]
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mircea_popescu and since we're doing this, [06:18]
mircea_popescu http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BL_XvUUznPg/TneleM_1r8I/AAAAAAAAAJ0/oNfI7hAMN7E/s1600/Scan+playboy+1962+_Pic0051.jpg [06:18]
twizt ah ty [06:19]
mircea_popescu ello twizt [06:19]
twizt yo [06:20]
twizt i guess i need to trade with some people [06:20]
twizt lol [06:20]
mircea_popescu totally. [06:20]
mircea_popescu how's the hot sauce coming along ? [06:21]
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twizt working on it [06:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4058 @ 0.00010591 = 0.4298 BTC [+] {5} [06:22]
mircea_popescu ok, i got an idea earlier today, which i'd go halves with you into. [06:22]
Duffer1 ;;rate twizt 1 hexs and hotsauce [06:22]
twizt need like 30k for process schedule [06:22]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user twizt has been recorded. [06:22]
mircea_popescu the idea is this : flavoured edible lube. basically, clumps of gelatin, [06:23]
twizt and fda nonsense [06:23]
mircea_popescu you could make beacon lube, kentucky fried chicken lube, [06:23]
twizt organic cert [06:23]
mircea_popescu mcdonalds milkshake lube [06:23]
twizt lol y [06:23]
twizt that sounds disgusting [06:23]
mircea_popescu don;'t be silly, it'd sell like crazy [06:23]
mircea_popescu all the fat useless hogs that never date'd buy it to pretend like they do a lot of fucking, [06:24]
mircea_popescu and then guzzle it straight from the bottle while posting on reddit [06:24]
twizt lmao [06:24]
twizt nah the hot sauce is better then flavored lube [06:24]
Duffer1 ha [06:24]
mircea_popescu you laugh but i'm dead serious. this could be the #1 thing sold in the states. [06:25]
Duffer1 i dunno if you made it alcoholic i'd agree [06:25]
twizt im trying to get next to that bottle of ketchup and A1 sauce thats standard in most restaurants [06:25]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 you could make a butterscotch flavouring, an old whiskey flavouring etc [06:25]
twizt nah lube isnt defensive enough play for me [06:27]
twizt condiments index beats overall index usually by 4x+ [06:27]
mircea_popescu dude you keep throwing numbers and shit into my clearly brilliant idea. [06:27]
mircea_popescu i should have just kept it secret like ninjashogun advised [06:27]
twizt lmao [06:28]
mircea_popescu [06:28]
TestingUnoDosTre could it be spicy bacon lube? [06:29]
mircea_popescu defo. [06:29]
TestingUnoDosTre I'de throw at least a btc at that for development... and trials [06:30]
Duffer1 MP did you ever get a hold of crazy_rabbit about that cold storage device? [06:30]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 nope [06:30]
mircea_popescu well... "cold" [06:30]
mircea_popescu i've never met one with a cold snatch yet. [06:30]
mircea_popescu i'd prolly be worried she's sick, like a dog with a warm nose. [06:31]
mircea_popescu twizt see above, teh power of good ideas. [06:31]
twizt maybe u should try it [06:32]
mircea_popescu if i knew someone who could mix the shit i would. [06:33]
twizt what do u need lube and mcdonalds? [06:33]
twizt lol [06:33]
mircea_popescu well i dunno how to make edible lube, for one, [06:34]
mircea_popescu and i don't know how to make mcdonalds flavouring for the other [06:34]
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mircea_popescu i wonder if coca-cola could be persuaded into offering coca-cola lube to go with its coca-cola lite [06:36]
BingoBoingo twizt: Maybe start with ISBN-13: 978-0895827449 [06:36]
twizt lmao [06:37]
twizt or buy existing product on market and add mickYDs flavor [06:37]
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twizt pretty sure u can do a licensing agreement [06:37]
twizt http://www.amazon.com/ID-Juicy-Water-Based-Edible-Lubricant/dp/B0018AQR8A [06:37]
ozbot Amazon.com: ID Juicy Water-Based, Edible Lubricant - Assorted 10 Pack Sampler: Health & Personal Car [06:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 3 @ 0.14 = 0.42 BTC [06:37]
TestingUnoDosTre Alright let's do this http://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Edible-Gelatin-Food-Grade_495126326.html [06:39]
TestingUnoDosTre only a 5000kg min order [06:39]
twizt lmao [06:39]
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TestingUnoDosTre 100% from beef skin or bone. We're off to a good start [06:40]
mod6 mcrib flavor [06:40]
TestingUnoDosTre That's more beef than mcd's offers, we're gonna have to get some horse gel to tone it down [06:40]
TestingUnoDosTre Slightly suspicious "Store in a cool dry place. Do not get in eyes, on skin, on clothing, wash thoroughly after handling" [06:41]
mircea_popescu wait what ?! [06:42]
mircea_popescu edible do not get on skin or eyes ? [06:42]
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TestingUnoDosTre They swear it has no bovine spongiform encephalopathy... until now [06:45]
mircea_popescu it can't possibly. [06:45]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell benkay "that things I generally assume don't need eliding " << you sure you know what eliding means ? [06:49]
gribble The operation succeeded. [06:49]
TestingUnoDosTre ;;ud elide [06:50]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Elide | Elide. A disaster. She fell? In her high heels? What an ELIDE! by wrmvnllasgr March 08, 2011. 6 5. Mugs & shirts Buy “Elide” mugs & shirts · Random Word. [06:50]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: Elide [06:50]
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HeySteve I knew someone who did ok selling "marital aids" [06:51]
HeySteve when I met her she was a secretary at a precious metals dealer [06:51]
mircea_popescu wait what ?@ [06:52]
HeySteve lost touch, next time I saw her she was at Sexpo selling a spray for tingles [06:52]
mircea_popescu pls tell me they weren't advertised as Marital AIDS [06:52]
HeySteve ha no, Viaspray or something [06:52]
mircea_popescu "Thank you for visiting ViaSpray SA! ViaSpray is designed for YOU!!! No matter what your age, race or gender! " [06:53]
mircea_popescu derp. [06:53]
HeySteve all SA products must carry equalism boilerplate [06:53]
mircea_popescu but how can it be designed for ME then [06:54]
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mircea_popescu "bespoke clothing, no matter your waistline, height or style!" [06:54]
HeySteve less questions, most spritzing! [06:54]
BingoBoingo Seems to describe a poncho [06:55]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo or a denim vest [06:56]
mircea_popescu anyway, laters! [06:56]
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ThickAsThieves Estimated Next Difficulty: 7,195,696,460 (+17.58%) [14:49]
ThickAsThieves like 15PH added in 2 weeks [14:49]
mircea_popescu breathtaking, innit. [14:50]
pankkake so many asic manufacturers too [14:50]
pankkake some of them even deliver! [14:51]
mircea_popescu lol who delivered this year ? [14:51]
kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=571456.0 [14:51]
pankkake I don't follow this a lot but there are some chinese who sell in stock stuff [14:51]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> lol who delivered this year ? // shit, it really is no one [14:52]
pankkake otherwise cointerra is the closest to delivering I guess [14:52]
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pankkake still, there's a number of options. better than one single GPU manufacturer! [14:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves dun dun dun [14:53]
mircea_popescu "Warrior Forum joins the Freelancer.com Family" dude this couldn't have been more appropriate. [14:53]
mircea_popescu freelancer is like a black hole of internet idiocy. [14:54]
ThickAsThieves lol [14:54]
ThickAsThieves i bet odesk runs most of the action on those sites anyway [14:54]
fluffypony lol [14:54]
mircea_popescu pankkake a number of options as to where to throw your btc down a well and hope while waiting aren;'t options in the sense we need. [14:54]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there's this getafreelancer.com site, too, and some other shit. [14:55]
fluffypony guru.com as well [14:55]
pankkake by the way, GPU preorders were a thing, too. I preordered one like 15 years ago, it took months before I could have it [14:56]
kakobrekla dotcoin does it again. [14:56]
pankkake http://blog.coinbase.com/post/82766793207/coinbase-has-a-new-office too many macs. DO NOT TRUST [14:56]
dignork re: miners, have you seen spondoolies-tech? My friend works there, and apparently they shipped by plan. [14:57]
fluffypony kakobrekla: that post is terrible [14:57]
mircea_popescu ummm... their office is a room and a hallway in uhhh [14:57]
mircea_popescu shit i remember who owns that and was giving it away rent free to noobs, who the fuck was it [14:57]
mircea_popescu dignork details, details. [14:58]
dignork mircea_popescu, there is a long thread on talk: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/ann-spondoolies-tech-launches-a-new-line-of-asic-miners-shipping-in-7-days.284243/ [14:58]
ThickAsThieves omg all those people working on macbooks, wtf [14:58]
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ThickAsThieves i guess their real office is starbucks [14:59]
dignork I know one of the devs there [14:59]
mircea_popescu they kinda look like they're showing teh women girlpronz [14:59]
mircea_popescu !up Tykling [14:59]
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mircea_popescu o teh jewz. [14:59]
mircea_popescu dignork so tell one of teh techs to reg here, got a shot at way more biz than the ofrum can ever provide. [14:59]
pankkake macbooks are what you use in client meetings, but not what you use to actually work [14:59]
dignork mircea_popescu, will do :) [15:00]
mircea_popescu holy shit where is that [15:00]
mircea_popescu now it's going to bug me perpetually. [15:00]
mircea_popescu ahaha "make a transaction and get $5" dude they're really pushing huh. [15:01]
ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232xry/cointerra_loses_faith_in_their_products/ [15:03]
ThickAsThieves 30-day warranty [15:03]
ThickAsThieves ouch [15:03]
pankkake do they sell to EU? that would be probably illegal [15:04]
ThickAsThieves theyre probly like "Well, we're premining with these things for 60 days, so we should probly change that warranty!" [15:04]
mircea_popescu "We're about 25 KM from Gaza strip, not in any disputed territory." [15:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4617 @ 0.00096147 = 4.4391 BTC [+] [15:05]
mircea_popescu so cute, the jews. "o, we're 25km from ww2, it's safe here" [15:05]
mircea_popescu they actually think this way. [15:05]
davout mircea_popescu: holders list pl0x [15:06]
mircea_popescu o.o [15:06]
mircea_popescu dude it's been six minutes ? what do yo uthink i run here, a team of naked ninjas ? [15:06]
davout mircea_popescu: that's what you keep advertising :D [15:07]
mircea_popescu lmao [15:07]
punkman you don't have a naked ninja team? [15:07]
mircea_popescu i do but i don't uyse them to do THIS stuff [15:07]
mircea_popescu anything davout gets comes from old smelly women [15:07]
davout the way i make my living is not for you to judge [15:08]
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davout pecunia non olet [15:08]
ThickAsThieves this plane toy up the poon is hilarious [15:08]
davout "Hi, I'm from al qaeda and i'm going to do something big on june first" [15:09]
davout june first : "first fully decentralized bitcoin exchange released by al qaeda girl" [15:09]
ThickAsThieves nice knowing you davout [15:09]
ThickAsThieves have fun in guant [15:09]
Apocalyptic he's gonna seek refuge in Timisoara soon [15:10]
davout ThickAsThieves: i'm a jew, anything all-inclusive will do [15:10]
davout mircea_popescu: merci! [15:10]
mircea_popescu he's being extradited [15:11]
mircea_popescu i think i may have all the papers ready to go within the week [15:11]
ThickAsThieves extratradition [15:11]
mircea_popescu AND SO ARE SOME OTHERS OF YOU BIGMOUTHS [15:11]
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mircea_popescu when i was a kid the measure of your popularity was that all the kids on the block gathered under your windows screaming "Mr X, may X come out to plaaa-aaa-aaayyyyy ???" [15:12]
mircea_popescu so i'd go this shrug like "what can i do mom ? teh boyfatherland needs me" [15:12]
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mircea_popescu awww. [15:23]
pankkake ;;later tell benkay http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/04/14_no-more-statute-of-limitations-for-the-irs.html congratulations, you're worse than France! [15:24]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:24]
mircea_popescu yeah isn't that something. [15:24]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves btw, did asicminer deliver the gen3 or still working on it ? [15:24]
pankkake I think my last issue with the fisc will finally get prescribed. yay [15:25]
pankkake there are sample chips in the wild [15:25]
mircea_popescu who got any ? [15:26]
pankkake rockxie and canaryinthemine (approximate spelling) [15:26]
ThickAsThieves i havent been following, i think the whole Rockminer deal is too fishy to take any of them seriously anymore [15:27]
ThickAsThieves my guess would be that AM feels theyve given enough to shareholders and will now focus on ways to reroute profit [15:28]
ThickAsThieves like Rockminer [15:28]
mircea_popescu such bs. [15:28]
mircea_popescu it's like a mediocre marriage, nobody says what they mean and nobody does what they say. [15:28]
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ThickAsThieves when gen2 vanished without much noise, and nothing happened for like 8mos, well... [15:30]
davout for those who have some X.EUR the positions rollover is done [15:30]
mircea_popescu basically tardstalk has managed to get itself out of the way of bitcoin conversation, tards foundation idem... [15:31]
mircea_popescu let this be a lesson about what "poorly managed" means. you start with a dominant, unassailable position, two years later it's not even clear who you are and what you do anymore. [15:31]
davout sounds like a good time to buy some btw :-) [15:31]
mircea_popescu what cuz it's gonna drop moar ?! [15:31]
davout BTC is up 15~20% since this morning [15:32]
fluffypony yeah [15:32]
mircea_popescu i'll short sell you some, how about that ? [15:32]
fluffypony just below $500, davout [15:32]
davout trades around 360 EUR on BC, was 300 yest, looks like it's going to drop at least a bit [15:33]
ThickAsThieves possibly one more burst tho [15:33]
fluffypony I'm so bad at price speculation I gave up ages ago [15:33]
ThickAsThieves to 531ish [15:33]
davout mircea_popescu: if you have some EUR collateral i can push you some ;-) [15:33]
ThickAsThieves $ [15:33]
fluffypony EU $ [15:33]
mircea_popescu meh. push me some anyway and i'll cover you in btc [15:33]
fluffypony :-P [15:33]
davout mircea_popescu: also i can go short directly on BC [15:34]
fluffypony 1 BTC = 1 BTC? [15:34]
ThickAsThieves lol [15:34]
ThickAsThieves 1=1 [15:34]
mircea_popescu fluffypony well what the fuck am i going to end up owing him, btc goes to 5 eur ? [15:34]
mircea_popescu i'll just sell a ninja. [15:34]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: trade up man, 1 = 2 [15:34]
fluffypony (by some definition of 2) [15:35]
ThickAsThieves what do you think will spark the next true bull phase? [15:35]
mircea_popescu Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip [15:35]
mircea_popescu wasn't the fucking spec supposed to be 4gh/w ? [15:35]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves this chan going +m. [15:36]
fluffypony ThickAsThieves: China Unbans Bitcoin! [15:36]
ThickAsThieves :/ [15:36]
ThickAsThieves but i dont have enough cash to buy this thing back to 1000! [15:36]
fluffypony didn't someone mention ransomware the other day, and how that may have contributed to the last run as people who would otherwise have been disinclined to purchase went and purchase? [15:36]
fluffypony so the solution could be to write some new ransomware? [15:37]
mircea_popescu fluffypony it was a stupid idea tho. you realise this yes ? [15:37]
ThickAsThieves ;;market buy 24000 [15:37]
gribble Bitstamp | This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 16452.849 bitcoins, for a total of 14624837.6264 USD and take the price to 99999.9900. | Data vintage: 0.0850 seconds [15:37]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes I know, I'm just teasing [15:37]
ThickAsThieves 16000 coins?! [15:37]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves you mighht have not noticed this, but bitstamp volume dried up to nothing. [15:38]
mircea_popescu and so did most of the other exchanges. [15:38]
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mircea_popescu their price signal is worth about as much as reddit opinion [15:38]
pankkake http://chralash.wordpress.com/2014/04/14/ive-got-a-psychological-disorder-its-called-hoarding-bitcoins-and-its-making-you-rich/ [15:38]
mircea_popescu echolalia eh ? [15:39]
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davout ThickAsThieves: mebbe some sort of EUR implosion/QE or whatever [15:40]
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mircea_popescu !up roamfree [15:42]
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mircea_popescu fluffypony: "Perhaps they could ask the OpenBSD Foundation, which just hit its 2014 goal" << cheeky indeed. [15:44]
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mircea_popescu pankkake: http://bitbet.us/bet/609/bitcoin-difficulty-to-fall/ I really wonder why there are Yesses << well when it was made it didn't look as clear as it does now. and if it had another month to go, it wouldn't look clear now, either. [15:46]
pankkake no new mining power added for 2 weeks? [15:47]
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mircea_popescu chips have a lifetime. if that's not too long and later chips are worse quality eventually the diff will start dropping. [15:49]
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pankkake right, perhaps in a few years then [15:50]
thestringpuller have we discussed the latter from scammy danny yet? [15:50]
pankkake not much [15:50]
thestringpuller i havent checked the logs just woke up and saw it on reddit... [15:50]
mircea_popescu we don't really read reddit, but go right ahead [15:50]
pankkake http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-04-2014#625009 [15:50]
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thestringpuller ah [15:52]
mircea_popescu "The fraud charges are of my greatest concern right now, they are baffling to me" [15:52]
thestringpuller i am pretty sure reddit drops your iq at this point [15:52]
mircea_popescu o hey. i suppose it keeps in character. first business was baffling to the kid, now legal matters take a turn... [15:52]
mircea_popescu i suppose his feeling for ghiorghios, the unshaved truck driver will be baffling for him next. [15:53]
thestringpuller but reddit has much needed lulz to fuel our hunger [15:53]
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thestringpuller is he in wot? [15:53]
mircea_popescu Here is a message to the Criminal Investigation Department of the Cypriot Police: [15:54]
mircea_popescu ANSWER YOUR PHONE or CHECK YOUR EMAILS!!!! [15:54]
mircea_popescu kik [15:54]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller who ? reddit ? [15:54]
thestringpuller danny scamster [15:54]
mircea_popescu nah, he knew better. [15:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 18 @ 0.05240938 = 0.9434 BTC [+] {9} [15:55]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/800/bitcoin-price-above-525-before-may/ [15:56]
pankkake his statements are very confusing, but that has been going on for a while [15:56]
mircea_popescu srsly, 8:1 ? [15:56]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:56]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 493.0, Best ask: 493.02, Bid-ask spread: 0.02000, Last trade: 493.0, 24 hour volume: 30647.12500074, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.428840083 [15:56]
thestringpuller oh wow [15:56]
mircea_popescu sweet, wonder if it tops at 500 or not. [15:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} [15:56]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00096296 = 2.7444 BTC [+] [15:57]
TestingUnoDosTre You mean 515 [15:57]
mircea_popescu lol yeah [15:58]
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mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/455914648710443009 << from the lulz dept, me discussing matters with a bunch of middleaged women [15:58]
pankkake running isn't even healthy! [15:59]
thestringpuller why is it skngle middle aged women are far less annoying than 20's women...like they are still teens or something [16:00]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller the former you don't want to fuck. less frustration for you. [16:01]
mircea_popescu pankkake it's healthier than pancakes... [16:01]
pankkake I don't even like pancakes [16:01]
pankkake and yes, pancakes are poison [16:01]
mircea_popescu well arguably bukkake is healthier than running [16:01]
nubbins` arguably [16:02]
TestingUnoDosTre Can't believe people think smoking adds to healthcare costs. The people die earlier and faster [16:02]
nubbins` easier on your knees, certainly [16:02]
nubbins` TestingUnoDosTre: here in canada, we keep smokers alive as long as possible. tis a burden [16:02]
mircea_popescu nubbins` notrly, you gotta be kneelin' [16:02]
nubbins` mircea_popescu flat on the back, natch [16:02]
nubbins` TestingUnoDosTre: although to be fair, tobacco taxes more than cover it [16:03]
nubbins` 20 smokes is over $10 here [16:03]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre you don't understand the environment. buncha clueless broads sitting around encouraging each other. sorta like what we do here, except without the smarts. [16:03]
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nubbins` wait, i encourage people? ;( [16:03]
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mircea_popescu i assumed you must. weren't you a liberal ? [16:03]
nubbins` sure, but a bitter one [16:03]
pankkake TestingUnoDosTre: it might (cancer is expensive), but it reduces retirement costs [16:04]
nubbins` just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D [16:04]
mircea_popescu if smoking gives you cancer it just shows you had a shitty constitution, [16:04]
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mircea_popescu so you SHOULD die in the first place. [16:04]
mircea_popescu smoking is pretty much the only selective behaviour left. [16:04]
mircea_popescu that and driving. [16:04]
mircea_popescu smoking definitely cheaper. [16:04]
nubbins` smoking: the sieve of modern man [16:04]
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nubbins` eating too [16:05]
mircea_popescu just 'cause i'm a liberal doesn't mean i suffer fools ;D << wait wait. what sort of scamliberal are you ?! THAT IS THE DEFINITION! [16:05]
TestingUnoDosTre If you consider coat avoidance, I'm quite sure it would cost more to keep a,non smoker living in their latter years [16:05]
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nubbins` we live in a word not of black and white but of shades of grey ;D [16:05]
nubbins` bbl eggs! [16:06]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/a3aedb2f647e9395c5fc9a66e6d6d621/tumblr_mkfz4rxTzm1re7tkoo1_1280.jpg [16:06]
mircea_popescu quoted for the black shoies, white socks. [16:06]
mircea_popescu that's the world we live in. [16:06]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.53199995 = 1.064 BTC [+] {2} [16:07]
pankkake anyway, I'm usually going out to not smoke [16:08]
pankkake who cares what is written [16:08]
mircea_popescu these women. [16:09]
mircea_popescu it's all they have left : what's written [16:09]
pankkake because they want to be offended at something [16:09]
pankkake being offended is a full time job [16:09]
nubbins` ^ [16:09]
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mircea_popescu gives them something to write on twitter about, gives them something to talk to me about... what's their alternative ? [16:09]
ThickAsThieves it's also the easiest job [16:10]
mircea_popescu sit in the home and stare at the wall ? [16:10]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves exactly. easiest full time job their is. which is why and how women that age end up with it, in all times and all places. [16:10]
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ThickAsThieves old hags on nonprofit boards [16:10]
mircea_popescu lol you've really been touched haven't you [16:10]
ThickAsThieves treating me like a walmart cashier [16:10]
ThickAsThieves ive fired more old women clients than clients have ever fired me [16:11]
mircea_popescu no cuntry for old broads. [16:11]
ThickAsThieves btw i loved your definition of fine [16:12]
ThickAsThieves it's quite quotable [16:12]
ThickAsThieves deserves a bash [16:12]
mircea_popescu bash away [16:12]
ThickAsThieves how do i bash the past? [16:13]
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ThickAsThieves bash 9000 [16:13]
nubbins` look to the topic for clues [16:13]
mircea_popescu there's an add topic feature [16:13]
ThickAsThieves ah [16:13]
mircea_popescu hey kakobrekla : your !b add-on was so successful, people don't even know how to bash as a result. [16:13]
nubbins` needs params [16:14]
mircea_popescu does nawt [16:14]
nubbins` !b [2:5,7:14] [16:14]
nubbins` imagine [16:14]
mircea_popescu fucking geeks omfg. !b for insta and go paste in the site otherwise [16:14]
ThickAsThieves never heard of bash til the !b arrived [16:15]
nubbins` :0 [16:15]
nubbins` wat [16:15]
ThickAsThieves i'm not quite as nerdy as it seems [16:15]
mircea_popescu a! but have you ever heard of bishibosh ? [16:15]
nubbins` i've got quotes on bash.org from when i was like 15 ;( [16:15]
mircea_popescu nubbins` yeah well you're special` [16:16]
nubbins` heh [16:16]
nubbins` well, maybe 17 [16:16]
ThickAsThieves after looking up bishibosh, surely ive had exposure [16:16]
ThickAsThieves nubbins thats cuz you been complaining since the womb [16:16]
nubbins` funny, there was a scammer trying to impersonate me in -otc the other day [16:16]
nubbins` nickname: nubbins`` [16:16]
nubbins` y'know, the sort of nick that a non-scammer would have [16:16]
steven-__ really like this new model you have imposed mircea_popescu having to be voiced to talk. it makes me think back to when oink died and two sites popped up to trade music waffles and what it was much harder to get into what having to pass a test about encoding quality lossly vs lossless http://www.whatinterviewprep.com/ but over the years you can really see the [16:17]
steven-__ advantages to limiting who can be involved to people who care enough to learn the basics [16:17]
mircea_popescu in my defense, i merely suggested it. [16:17]
nubbins` now, i gotta print posters [16:18]
nubbins` i ended up removing the Hobo typeface from that one i shared ;( [16:18]
mircea_popescu but think of the environment nubbins` ! wouldn't you rather sit here and chat with us ? [16:18]
mircea_popescu instead of causing cancer and so forth ? [16:18]
nubbins` water-based inks bruh [16:18]
nubbins` you can pour 'em straight into the ocean with impunity [16:18]
mircea_popescu you make a pretty shitty middleaged woman. [16:19]
pankkake steven-__: eheh exactly :) [16:19]
nubbins` phew! [16:19]
mircea_popescu gotta eat moar soy sauce [16:19]
steven-__ yea pankkake your blog post was what got me thinking about it [16:19]
kakobrekla steven-__ i did about 0.5k or so interviews for what btw. [16:19]
ThickAsThieves http://www.sparkyscreenprints.com/water-based-myth/ [16:19]
pankkake I blog posted about it? or comment maybe [16:20]
steven-__ https://what.cd/user.php?id=315790 is me [16:20]
kakobrekla 3 and a half years behind me :p [16:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you did 500 interviews for what ? [16:22]
pankkake what's your username kakobrekla? (I'm simply pankkake as I am everywhere) [16:22]
kakobrekla yes mp. [16:22]
steven-__ yea i had an account around the time oink ended but ended up using waffles and tt [16:22]
steven-__ so when i came back to what i was blown away at how much better it was [16:22]
nubbins` http://www.matsui-color.com/water_based.php [16:23]
nubbins` ;p [16:23]
pankkake yeah, oink being closed ended up… a good thing. more competition, new software [16:23]
nubbins` indeed, not all water-based inks are created equal, which is why we use the good ones ;D [16:24]
kakobrekla This tree has 955 entries, 254 branches, and a depth of 6. It has 670 Users (70%), 214 Members (22%), 57 Power Users (6%), 13 Elites (1%) and 1 Torrent Master (0%). 536 users are disabled (56%), and 96 users have donated (10%). [16:24]
pankkake :o [16:24]
pankkake lol 56% of fail [16:24]
kakobrekla yes , well , people. [16:25]
pankkake i guess it's easy to cheat on the interview [16:25]
nubbins` TBF we only use WB for paper, and plastisol for shirts. but once you cure plastisol, you can do w/e you want with it [16:25]
kakobrekla mostly its people who do not understand how hard it is to seed here [16:25]
kakobrekla i mean, you can not describe it. [16:25]
kakobrekla tbh i have been helping by not seeding for last 2 years or so [16:26]
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pankkake I upload new stuff and seed forever, never had to worry about anything [16:26]
kakobrekla i got to be tm for a short bit, but then lost the will and got degraded to elite :| [16:27]
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pankkake I have been stuck in elite for years, yet I'm close [16:27]
pankkake unless there is a secret porn subforum, not interested [16:28]
kakobrekla its been fun even if people in charge are douchebags [16:28]
pankkake yeah, they banned me from the forums [16:28]
kakobrekla and i was 'sassing' some mod, they took my avatar rights as a reward. [16:29]
kakobrekla lel [16:29]
steven-__ what has pretty good forums but in general i'm over the genre almost made some DIY speaker last year [16:29]
kakobrekla if its from those forums , its shit speakers. [16:30]
pankkake This tree has 144 entries, 36 branches, and a depth of 5. It has 113 Users (78%), 23 Members (16%), 6 Power Users (4%) and 2 Elites (1%). 97 users are disabled (67%), and 6 users have donated (4%). [16:30]
pankkake ok, I'm worst [16:30]
pankkake worse [16:30]
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mircea_popescu !up andreas_ [16:31]
pankkake by the way: [16:31]
pankkake ::view [16:31]
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pankkake ;;view [16:31]
gribble #20302 Sat Apr 12 11:27:48 2014 pankkake SELL 999.0 Private torrent trackers invites @ 0 FREE (Theses are free, only requirement is WoT presence. Keep your bitcoins to donate to the actual operators.) [16:32]
pankkake some assholes are selling those [16:32]
mircea_popescu lol [16:32]
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kakobrekla meh i wouldnt risk it [16:32]
kakobrekla people dont appreciate such things. [16:33]
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TestingUnoDosTre What is this private torrent tracker? [16:35]
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pankkake I have many, music, movies, porn, whatever you need [16:36]
steven-__ most people forget and get disabled or can't keep up a good ratio because they only download stuff that's 12 hours old and seed it for 24-48 hours on (good trackers) [16:36]
pankkake I'm very sad underground-gamer closed, it was a gold mine of old great games [16:36]
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joecool pankkake: got hdbits [16:37]
joecool ? [16:37]
pankkake joecool: "Invites are disabled for the moment. May never come back" [16:39]
joecool bummer [16:39]
pankkake so I have one, unusable [16:39]
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TestingUnoDosTre :( [16:41]
mircea_popescu !up steven-__ [16:41]
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TestingUnoDosTre Just got 2001 a space oddessy the other night. Gonna smoke up and make a holiday of it [16:41]
pankkake spaced odyssey [16:42]
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TestingUnoDosTre Bah [16:43]
mircea_popescu lol good one [16:43]
mircea_popescu !up Naphex [16:43]
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kakobrekla 2001 is a great flick [16:44]
Naphex i was just about to auth with gribble, pre-thanks :) [16:45]
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mircea_popescu lol cool. [16:45]
kakobrekla its prolly better than dead man, now that i think of it. [16:45]
mircea_popescu Naphex didn't recall if you were on the list or not [16:45]
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kakobrekla well you still need to get your own voice [16:46]
kakobrekla borrowed one is a borrowed one. [16:46]
kakobrekla gotta give it back [16:46]
Naphex ;;ident Naphex [16:47]
gribble Nick 'Naphex', with hostmask 'Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro', is identified as user 'Naphex', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 12mVDqdWqFY6zrCqNqgHbxhDPB4ZVUuaTu [16:47]
Naphex there we go. [16:47]
mircea_popescu what's btcxchange.ro ? [16:47]
TestingUnoDosTre I just listened to the book on audio and its probably one of my favorite science fiction [16:47]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot Naphex [16:47]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Naphex!~naphex@btcxchange.ro. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Naphex: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Naphex | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Naphex | Rated since: never [16:47]
mircea_popescu you ain't in the list yo [16:47]
joecool TestingUnoDosTre: not 2001 honda odyssey? [16:47]
steven-__ the prisoner was filming next to 2001 a space oddessy when they weren't on location at portmeirion [16:48]
steven-__ ;;google the prisoner [16:48]
gribble The Prisoner - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Prisoner (TV Series 1967–1968) - IMDb: ; The Prisoner (TV Mini-Series 2009) - IMDb: [16:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8754 @ 0.00096534 = 8.4506 BTC [+] {2} [16:48]
Naphex mircea_popescu: romanian bitcoin->ron exchange where i slave during the day ;] [16:49]
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ThickAsThieves i just lost my copy of Anathema, i was just getting started :( [16:49]
pankkake ron? [16:49]
mircea_popescu Naphex never heard of it :D [16:49]
mircea_popescu pankkake romania changed its rol (romanian leu) at 10k for the new romanian leu so thus... ron [16:49]
pankkake I hope it's to honor Ron Paul! [16:49]
bounce they let their slaves irc from production servers? [16:50]
Naphex bounce: yeah its in the job benefits ;] [16:50]
mircea_popescu orderbook... tons of asks, no bids. [16:50]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [16:50]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 492.52, Best ask: 494.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 494.0, 24 hour volume: 30795.89377194, 24 hour low: 448.1, 24 hour high: 515.0, 24 hour vwap: 479.757676521 [16:50]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 1514.0/492.52 [16:51]
gribble 3.07398684317 [16:51]
bounce so what do you do there? [16:51]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 3.23 / 3.07 [16:51]
gribble 1.05211726384 [16:51]
mircea_popescu bout 5% off. some arb opportunity i guess. Naphex what's the confirmation process like ? [16:51]
Naphex bb in a few, gotta drive home. closing the office [16:52]
Naphex mircea_popescu: ID with quick confirmation for 15k eur+, some other paperwork for higher limit [16:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0653 = 0.3265 BTC [-] [16:52]
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mircea_popescu Naphex as a business ? [16:53]
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Naphex as a bussiness its a monthly limit for 220k RON [16:53]
Naphex about 50k eur [16:53]
mircea_popescu and what do you do bout the vat ? [16:53]
Naphex there is no vat [16:54]
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mircea_popescu lol interesting. [16:54]
mircea_popescu !up cnxmari [16:54]
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mircea_popescu whoa look at copper jesus. [16:54]
mircea_popescu how the fuck can copper drop ? i mean gold, i get it, political interest, fake bla bla bla, whatever. ok. but copper ?! [16:55]
mircea_popescu it's rarer than gold these days! [16:55]
bounce I s'pose there's the demand side [16:55]
pankkake because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market [16:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.06510404 = 2.4088 BTC [-] {10} [16:55]
mircea_popescu what, romanians sell it on the cme ? [16:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.06499443 = 8.1243 BTC [-] {4} [16:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 3828 @ 0.00016169 = 0.6189 BTC [-] {7} [16:57]
Apocalyptic because romanians are busy stealing it and undercutting the market // that's what gypsies do in slovakia [16:58]
pankkake well, I'm saying romanians to tease, in France it's gypsies/roms/whatever [16:58]
ThickAsThieves copper dropping cuz chinese are involved with it [16:59]
ThickAsThieves PBOC gonna ban copper! [16:59]
mircea_popescu lol [16:59]
fluffypony lol [17:01]
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mircea_popescu just did a stats on http://blogs.bitcoin-assets.com/ : [17:02]
mircea_popescu mircea_popescu 14, benkay 12, jborkl 10, bingoboingo 8, bitcoinpete 8, khersonus 5, jurov 1, mike_c 1. [17:03]
TestingUnoDosTre How does one get on this blag [17:03]
mircea_popescu you make a blog and bug pankkake pretty much [17:03]
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mircea_popescu http://www.vox.com/2014/4/14/5614180/colorados-marijuana-tax-revenue-is-up-and-its-great-for-schools [17:04]
TestingUnoDosTre Oh my, went to Colorado for my off week. Place is like heaven on earth [17:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.08299776 = 0.249 BTC [-] [17:04]
TestingUnoDosTre They put a quarter ounce limit on purchasers from out of state, but you can walk right in the next day [17:05]
mircea_popescu a quarter ounce should be enough to smoke yourself out pretty well no ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu in more cattle-related news, http://t.co/N08QeqZ14E [17:05]
TestingUnoDosTre Yes indeed [17:05]
mircea_popescu uh i mean https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlQzuRVIgAAhl_U.jpg [17:05]
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TestingUnoDosTre But I drove out there to ski, so I could take home extra [17:06]
TestingUnoDosTre In theory of course [17:06]
Duffer1 thickasthieves gotta buy another copy then ^.^ it's worth it [17:07]
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TestingUnoDosTre Is it sci-fi or what? [17:08]
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Duffer1 is what? [17:08]
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Duffer1 anathema? [17:09]
TestingUnoDosTre Anathema [17:09]
mike_c some of us only write when we have something to say ;) [17:09]
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Duffer1 er sorry Anathem [17:09]
ThickAsThieves so far Anathema seems very Vonnegut [17:09]
ThickAsThieves yeah [17:10]
ThickAsThieves Anathem [17:10]
TestingUnoDosTre Oooh KV is the way to be [17:10]
mircea_popescu mike_c ikr ? [17:10]
ThickAsThieves it's also absolutely nothing like Reamde [17:10]
ThickAsThieves which i didnt finish [17:10]
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TestingUnoDosTre All great sci-fi aside, anybody read Lermontovs A Hero of Our Time? [17:14]
mircea_popescu yea [17:16]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-5#post-5920398 [17:24]
mircea_popescu lol someone caught on the splendid "free speech" dilemma maged built for teh tardstalk management. [17:25]
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mircea_popescu "we don't ban scams and scammers, but this isn't because they pay us, it's simply because we believe in free speech ; we do however ban people exercising free speech, because it's bad for business." [17:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.0524 = 0.3144 BTC [-] {2} [17:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.032 = 0.192 BTC [+] {2} [17:28]
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fluffypony "The fact that people like MPOE-PR, Deprived, and pankkake were paid to say I was a scammer and lie about me didn't help either." [17:29]
fluffypony so, how do I get a piece of this action? [17:29]
fluffypony :-P [17:29]
Apocalyptic Deprived was paid nao ? [17:29]
Duffer1 who's quoted there fluffypony? [17:30]
fluffypony Duffer1: usagi [17:30]
Duffer1 ah [17:30]
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pankkake who said that [17:30]
Apocalyptic the length people go to make up shit these days... amazes me [17:30]
fluffypony "Look at Marc (Kakobrekla) who is now business partners with Mircea Popescu. When Pirate collapsed, CPA paid him 1140 BTC. Just like that. We didn't scam anybody. But what does he do? He removed his WOT rating for me." [17:30]
fluffypony kakobrekla: how could you do that! remove a WOT rating! the horror. [17:30]
pankkake well usagi given that he mentions Deprived [17:30]
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pankkake but that's a new one for me [17:30]
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bounce ``Because this is still the prime (and only meaningful) communication forum for bitcoin and those of us who believe in bitcoin try to keep it as useful as possible.'' -- ckolivas https://bitcointa.lk/threads/maged-permabanned-mpoe-pr-because-she-swore-shock.292615/page-2#post-5745988 [17:31]
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kakobrekla but my name is not marc :( [17:31]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla shut up marc :D [17:31]
fluffypony kakobrekla: it is now! [17:31]
Apocalyptic haha poor kako, first Martin, then Marc [17:31]
kakobrekla and he didnt pay 1140, twas less. [17:31]
jborkl obvious scams to customers ok, fuck you not ok- we understand da ruulz now [17:31]
mircea_popescu marcel kakobrekla! [17:31]
mircea_popescu afaik he did in fact pay a hefty sum back i nthe day (btc was like 5 bux then or something). all those posts are beleeted now, but they were riotous [17:32]
mircea_popescu ended up selling his guitar or something. [17:32]
nubbins` marsellus kakobreklus [17:33]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is ckolivas [17:33]
joecool con [17:33]
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jborkl CGminer dev [17:33]
jborkl good guy , very smart [17:33]
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joecool he gasses children for a living [17:34]
nubbins` you can make a living doing that? [17:34]
joecool yeah, medical school, etc [17:34]
nubbins` ah [17:34]
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jborkl he is a doctor first [17:34]
fluffypony isn't he the guy Luke-Jr is constantly fighting with? [17:35]
nubbins` i remember trying to describe being gassed for my tonsil removal [17:35]
joecool fluffypony: yeah [17:35]
nubbins` after struggling for a bit, i said "it's like doing whippets until you pass out" [17:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [17:35]
nubbins` moments later, i realized it *is* doing whippets until you pass out [17:35]
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nubbins` heh! [17:35]
joecool i got to know him awhile back from his kernel patchset, his main coding hobby before bitcoin was rewriting the linux cpu sched [17:35]
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mircea_popescu "The Whippet (also English Whippet or Snap dog) is a breed of medium-sized dog" [17:36]
nubbins` ;;ud whippet [17:36]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=whippet | Nitrous oxide found in small metal cannisters used in refillable whipped cream cannisters. Used as an inhalant drug to get high. [17:36]
mircea_popescu i knew all you labradorian/newfoundlandians are weird. sexually speaking. [17:36]
mircea_popescu with dogs. [17:36]
nubbins` hey now! [17:36]
mircea_popescu joecool jborkl so basically old time dev with impacted notions. aite. [17:36]
joecool Linux superbia 3.13.10-ck1 #5 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 14 18:25:25 EDT 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2760QM CPU @ 2.40GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux [17:36]
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BingoBoingo fluffypony: There's been hostility between the two that leds to the cgminer bfgminer fork [17:37]
joecool Luke-Jr: you need to msg the bot to talk [17:37]
mircea_popescu !up Luke-Jr [17:37]
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BingoBoingo !up Luke-Jr [17:37]
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Luke-Jr what bot [17:37]
joecool assbot [17:37]
mircea_popescu id with gribble then msg assbot !up [17:37]
fluffypony you need to massage assbot:-P [17:38]
mircea_popescu "This user is currently NOT AUTHENTICATED. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you may be talking to an impostor and scammer." [17:38]
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mircea_popescu !hi assbot [17:38]
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nubbins` Darwin Jons-MB.local 13.1.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.1.0: Thu Jan 16 19:40:37 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.90.20~2/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 [17:38]
nubbins` ;( [17:38]
mircea_popescu ^ that's me talking to a scammeur! [17:38]
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mircea_popescu so twitter bought gnip [17:40]
nubbins` ;;ud gnip [17:40]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=gnip%20gnop | gnip gnop. Simply put, Ping Pong spelled backwards. Slang and humorous word used instead of "Ping Pong". Origin: Mansfield University, PA. "You boys up for ... [17:40]
nubbins` WHAT SORCERY IS THIS [17:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` they were a data miner, on the full feeds of shit like twitter and instagram [17:41]
nubbins` so twitter bought their own data [17:41]
fluffypony so twitter bought a data miner of their own data? [17:42]
fluffypony snap nubbins` [17:42]
joecool i suppose it's easier than paying for the development of a new internal tool [17:42]
bounce keeps the competition from looting your "IP", and maybe allows you to snoop on the competition. [17:42]
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nubbins` heh [17:42]
joecool bounce: and that too [17:42]
nubbins` joecool for some definitions of "easy" [17:42]
fluffypony "hey dawg, I heard you like data, so we bought some data so we could put your data inside the data" [17:42]
mircea_popescu fluffypony esentially. [17:42]
mircea_popescu they were investors in it anyway iirc. [17:43]
mircea_popescu really this entire circus is not so much unlike usagi's 2012 businesses. usagi-cpa has bought usagi-derp from usagi-herp worth OVER NINE THOUSAND [17:43]
bounce value-add to the valuation, win-win maximisation, hey hey hey [17:45]
BingoBoingo Really usagi is probably more instructive than Pirateat40 for things to beware of [17:45]
mircea_popescu prolly, yeah [17:46]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/M3tGFBZ [17:47]
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pankkake Marcel is a beauf(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beauf) name [17:51]
pankkake it's also the French name of the wifebeater shirt [17:51]
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bounce bit of a recursive fail, that pic [17:55]
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mircea_popescu soo, some twerps in spain decided "trilema" sounds kinda cool, started a foundation whatever. i sent them a friendly note about six months ago pointing out that it's a registered trademark and they're playing with fire. which they ignored. [18:05]
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mircea_popescu so today i got to send them a notice that they either self-destruct and apologize or else i'm suing them. in, obviouisly, romanian court. [18:06]
mike_c do they spell it wrong too? [18:06]
fluffypony is the trademark registered in the EU, or just in Romania? [18:06]
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mircea_popescu http://www.fundaciontrilema.org/ [18:06]
mircea_popescu fluffypony http://trilema.com/2011/trilema®/ [18:06]
pankkake spanish is spelled wrong [18:06]
mircea_popescu nice class 41, too, which makes it pretty lulzy. [18:06]
mike_c hah, you against a bunch of geezers :) [18:07]
mircea_popescu they better pay up. [18:07]
joecool you whippersnapper! [18:07]
mircea_popescu ima buy bitcoins out of trademark enforcing moneyz, how about that! [18:07]
fluffypony ah, it's across EU [18:07]
mircea_popescu fluffypony us too, actually. [18:07]
fluffypony nice [18:07]
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pankkake the real question is why would you care? [18:07]
mircea_popescu they have a reciprocity deal so mickey mouse can be owned by disney [18:07]
mircea_popescu pankkake it pays to care. [18:07]
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mircea_popescu they could have arranged a license back last year, if they had a clue. [18:08]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: was that costly? I'm an Italian citizen, wife is German, so I can register an EU trademark instead of the shitty meaningless South African one [18:08]
mircea_popescu it doesn't pay to ignore what i say, and i'm definitely going to be enforcing THAT part. [18:08]
mircea_popescu fluffypony a few grand. [18:08]
fluffypony not bad [18:08]
mircea_popescu like tms normally cost. [18:08]
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fluffypony yeah, same as here [18:08]
TestingUnoDosTre Oh my I love the term USBS. please use moar often [18:08]
mircea_popescu and you don't need to be any sort of citizen, you can reg it on your corp. [18:08]
mircea_popescu TestingUnoDosTre yeah huh! [18:09]
joecool US trademarks are a lot cheaper [18:09]
mircea_popescu joecool somehow i doubt that. [18:09]
Apocalyptic http://bases-marques.inpi.fr/ confirms the trademark [18:09]
mircea_popescu granted i've not reg'd any in years, but they were about the same back in the day [18:09]
joecool mircea_popescu: for a US trademark, i think it cost ~$400 or so [18:09]
mircea_popescu a but that's us only. [18:09]
mircea_popescu yeah, you can get regional marks in the us too, for a coupla hundred iirc. [18:09]
mircea_popescu in the eu too i mean [18:09]
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mircea_popescu Apocalyptic well it'd better eh. [18:10]
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joecool mircea_popescu: i must have misread, i thought trilema was just EU-registered [18:10]
mircea_popescu nah. [18:10]
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Apocalyptic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anathem is this the book TAT mentionned earlier ? [18:15]
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mircea_popescu !up wywialm [18:18]
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wywialm hi, thanks for upvoting [18:18]
mircea_popescu yeah. [18:18]
mircea_popescu ;;rate wywialm 1 New blood [18:19]
wywialm will ident in a second [18:19]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user wywialm has been recorded. [18:19]
mircea_popescu now you can selfup. [18:19]
wywialm wow, thanks [18:19]
wywialm ;;ident [18:20]
gribble Nick 'wywialm', with hostmask 'wywialm!~numeris@87-207-88-238.dynamic.chello.pl', is identified as user 'wywialm', with GPG key id B8F8FFF5052A2FA4, key fingerprint 6066C0309D81DBE48E97D6CCB8F8FFF5052A2FA4, and bitcoin address None [18:20]
ThickAsThieves copyright troll! [18:21]
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BingoBoingo From 2010, related to the Cow business in Utah http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2010/03/oath-keepers [18:23]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no, actually, patent troll! [18:25]
mircea_popescu It'll take plenty of military paychecks to cover the $5,600 price tag [18:25]
mircea_popescu that's actually remarkably cheap [18:26]
BingoBoingo Well they give is paygrade as E-3 and the year 2010, lemme pull up the paycheck [18:27]
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BingoBoingo With the 4 years of service mentioned $1923/month [18:27]
mircea_popescu bout 2k [18:27]
thestringpuller https://github.com/adobe/source-code-pro - downloading fonts from github...dunno how I should feel about this... [18:27]
mircea_popescu yeah [18:27]
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mircea_popescu !up neilol [18:29]
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neilol thank you sir [18:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo anyway, what i meant was teh gun is pretty cheap considering it's a .5 bolt [18:30]
mircea_popescu neilol sure [18:30]
mircea_popescu !up Neil [18:30]
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mircea_popescu hey, you know hopw to voice yourself do you ? [18:30]
neilol register with gribble [18:30]
neilol not sure of the process but if i need it [18:30]
neilol i'll figure it out [18:31]
joecool ;;guide [18:31]
gribble Error: "guide" is not a valid command. [18:31]
joecool wat [18:31]
mircea_popescu wow ?! [18:31]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Yeah. Still the expensive part with something like that is feeding it. [18:31]
pankkake https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67547.msg6232636#msg6232636 [18:31]
mircea_popescu neilol i meant Neil. you, i think you'll have to get into the wot first [18:31]
mircea_popescu !up Naphex [18:31]
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Naphex thanks [18:32]
Naphex tbh this might be an annoying system :] [18:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0325 = 0.13 BTC [+] {3} [18:32]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's it, like 3 bux a round [18:33]
BingoBoingo Lemme pull that up [18:33]
mircea_popescu Naphex get rated then it's a breeze [18:33]
Naphex don't do much OTC to get rated [18:33]
mircea_popescu http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ab/Rifle_cartridge_comparison.jpg anyway, instructive comparison. [18:34]
BingoBoingo No less than $3.50 quickly goes up from there [18:34]
pankkake first one is basically a dildo [18:35]
mircea_popescu http://palmettostatearmory.com/index.php/ammunition/rifle-ammunition/50-bmg/federal-american-eagle-50-bmg-618gr-tactical-tracer-10rds-xm17c.html [18:35]
mircea_popescu they're tracers tho [18:35]
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mircea_popescu but in principle if you're practice shooting you dun care. [18:36]
mircea_popescu http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM33C 3.30 nato 660gr [18:36]
BingoBoingo Well depends on how far you are practicing out to. [18:36]
bounce funny how those "birthers" complain about policies set by, er, the previous guy? [18:36]
mircea_popescu "Due to limited supplies, and high demand this item has a 10 piece maximum order quantity per customer, every 1 day." heh [18:36]
BingoBoingo http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=589 [18:36]
mircea_popescu meanwhile copper is tanking. [18:37]
mircea_popescu da fuck will this world make sense. [18:37]
BingoBoingo bounce: To be fair they were also angry about the guy before the previous guy [18:37]
mircea_popescu pankkake kinda has to be a dildo, cause otherwise body armor. [18:38]
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BingoBoingo Also trucks [18:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03261752 = 0.1305 BTC [-] {3} [18:38]
bounce that sounds like what I'd been thinking already: they're looking for excuses to dislike, instead of just admitting they don't like that party [18:38]
mircea_popescu anyway, they're like 20kj per shot. [18:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0315005 = 0.126 BTC [-] {2} [18:39]
mircea_popescu bascially works as anti aircraft too [18:39]
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bounce tree fiddy a round [18:40]
mircea_popescu should go through about an inch of steel. [18:40]
Naphex anybody from blockchain.info / or with connections to buy some ad space on it? [18:41]
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mircea_popescu keonne [18:41]
mircea_popescu iirc he worked there, can prolly get you in touch with whoever. [18:41]
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Naphex alright, thanks [18:42]
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BingoBoingo Basically there are a lot of people who want the US to collapse the wrong way, and they were ready to see it happen over cows. [18:44]
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mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2014/04/home-made-sec.htm << cryptome bravely wades into the public, withoiut a +m [18:44]
mircea_popescu curious how long they last. [18:45]
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wywialm ha, it works! [18:49]
wywialm thanks, mircea_popescu [18:50]
mircea_popescu yw [18:50]
bounce what, there's a right way to collapse? [18:50]
mircea_popescu the russians don't agree, but i would say the way the soviet union collapsed is the right way to collapse. [18:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096616 = 7.2462 BTC [+] [18:50]
mircea_popescu no violence, massive humiliation, come back in two decades as a major. [18:51]
Apocalyptic bounce, there is, like there is a right way to land a plan without engines [18:51]
Naphex http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.encryption.openssl.user/51243 [18:51]
Apocalyptic *plane [18:51]
Naphex akamai released a guarded allocator for openssl [18:51]
bounce IMO there's a larger issue but this is as good a hook as any, and that's that plenty the infrastructure relies on same being present and functional. there's a few ways to guard against that, and we might investigate them all. [18:52]
Naphex how nice of em [18:52]
wywialm how can this scenario be possible in case of US? [18:52]
mircea_popescu wywialm same way it was possible in the case of the ussr, i guess. [18:53]
mircea_popescu it never seems possible till it happens. [18:53]
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bounce might be useful to survey the cracks and see how serious they are [18:53]
mircea_popescu bounce im not sure i follow your thought. [18:53]
mircea_popescu Naphex so what exactly is your function at this btcxchange thing ? [18:56]
bounce like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out. [18:56]
asciilifeform re: that rifle - for some reason it is astoundingly popular. [18:56]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform do you know the reason ? [18:57]
wywialm bounce, what is your estimate of the current us cracks? [18:57]
Naphex mircea_popescu: mostly coding [18:57]
asciilifeform anti-materiel round [18:57]
mircea_popescu Naphex so who runs it ? [18:57]
asciilifeform a (very theoretical) pill against 'black helicopter' etc. [18:57]
* bounce hasn't even started with the study. but it looks less well than it perhaps ought to be. [18:58]
Naphex mircea_popescu: Horea Vuscan is the owner [18:58]
Duffer1 is he the wallet or the ceo? [18:59]
Duffer1 both? [18:59]
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mircea_popescu seems the assbot was asleep at that time, but this was discussed once before : http://dpaste.com/1780498/ [18:59]
mircea_popescu so whose was the idea to print the cert ? horea vuscan's ? [19:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 3.44522880 BTC to 8`385 shares, 41088 satoshi per share [19:00]
wywialm bounce, mircea_popescu, do you imagine that us collapse would come together with general usG collapse, including official default? [19:00]
mircea_popescu bounce i think your methodology is broken, in that it assumes a sort of linear scalability. broken government is not akin to broken windows. [19:01]
mircea_popescu wywialm us collapse = usg collapse. what else ? not like kansas will fall off the map or something. [19:01]
Naphex mircea_popescu: it's suposed to be wholly transparent, so yeah printing the cert was included [19:01]
bounce where'd you find linearity? o_O? [19:01]
Naphex public owner, cert printed, offices exist etc [19:01]
mircea_popescu Naphex aite send me mail from its domain i'll give you a 1 rating [19:01]
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mircea_popescu bounce here : "like inspecting a building for structural problems or a pipe or aeroplane for hairline cracks or, well, you know. only on the country level. roads, utilities, but also government, how much and what kinds of corruption, that sort of thing. map it out." [19:02]
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asciilifeform 'predicting that something is going to happen is a lot easier than predicting when something will happen. Suppose you have an old bridge: the concrete is cracked, chunks of it are missing with rusty rebar showing through. An inspector declares it “structurally deficient.” This bridge is definitely going to collapse at some point, but on what date? That is something that nobody can tell you. If you push for [19:02]
asciilifeform an answer, you might hear something like this: If it doesn’t collapse within a year, then it might stay up for another two. And if it stays up that long, then it might stay up for another decade. But if it stays up for an entire decade, then it will probably collapse within a year or two of that, because, given its rate of deterioration, at that point it will be entirely unclear what is holding it up.' [19:02]
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asciilifeform (orlov, 'fragility and collapse.' http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2012/06/fragility-and-collapse-slowly-at-first.html) [19:02]
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bounce I don't see it. I was saying to map it, do linear regression on it. [19:03]
wywialm i can imagine us collapse in the sense of it falling apart with some central power still serving the debt etc - not very realistic scenario, sure. I just wanted to ask to be sure [19:03]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [19:03]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00095936 / 0.00096627 (269828 shares, 258.86 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096649 / 0.00101 (3227854 shares, 3,119.70 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00092994 / 0.00101 (22778761 shares, 21,183.10 BTC) [19:03]
BingoBoingo wywialm: Basically the thing to hope for is USSR style collapse rather than Somalia style collapse [19:04]
asciilifeform '...If the number of cement chunks falling out of your bridge keeps doubling, you can compute the moment when every last piece of the bridge will be in the river, and that is your upper bound.' [19:04]
benkay little pockets of civilization will endure, wywialm. [19:05]
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benkay near eletricity generation sites, i'm hoping. [19:05]
mircea_popescu bounce so you don't see where linearity is in "linear regression" ? [19:05]
bounce oh, there's a "not" missing there. duh. [19:06]
mircea_popescu lol ok, well, if you elide nots it'll become hard to follow :D [19:06]
dignork mircea_popescu: I talked with Spondoolies-Tech CEO, he'll try to get to this channel later tonight, if you have any specific questions I can forward then in the meantime [19:07]
* dignork trying his shilling skills [19:07]
bounce point was to make visible the rot. what to do after that, well... can even just eyeball the thing and look at crumbling acceleration rates and such [19:08]
asciilifeform 'Spondoolies' ?! - actual name of something ? [19:09]
dignork asciilifeform: yes, no idea where the name came from [19:09]
asciilifeform lol [19:09]
bounce wikipedia knows, of course. sea shells. [19:10]
wywialm surely some sort of (even collapse-induced) decentralisation/recentralisation of power could bring much fresh air, but... [19:10]
dexX7 can anyone tell me how google and other providers handle email rejections? i have some trouble with a hoster which i'm using as intermediate hop to relay my mails.. and currently every request/mail is rejected. service said they'll fix it "in the next 24 hours" -.-" [19:10]
wywialm ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line [19:10]
bounce noticed how the french revolution caused /more/, not less, centralisation? france hasn't quite recovered yet. [19:10]
fluffypony dexX7: typically they let it through but flag it as spam unless something is very wrong [19:11]
fluffypony dexX7: is the intermediary hop in your SPF record? [19:11]
wywialm bounce, surely, but the ussr collapse, which is (as i noticed) main reference point now, lead to less centralization [19:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.03114122 = 0.5294 BTC [-] {5} [19:12]
dexX7 i set the ns records of the hop in the domain settings and the intermediate simply redirects the mails [19:13]
wywialm so it's not easy to perform generalizations here. Probably most obvious example of decentralizing "collapse" (or rather decline) would be Rome [19:13]
bounce that took a goodly while, though [19:13]
wywialm maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature [19:14]
bounce likewise the ottoman empire [19:14]
fluffypony dexX7: yes, but the email will look like it's coming from the intermediary, no? so it will have to be in your SPF? [19:14]
wywialm bounce, thats why "collapse" and not collapse [19:14]
dexX7 i guess: yes [19:14]
mircea_popescu ;;rate Naphex 1 btcxchange.ro [19:14]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded. [19:15]
bounce and, I don't think russia is quite done yet. [19:15]
mircea_popescu dignork that is splendid [19:15]
mircea_popescu no rush or anything [19:15]
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Naphex worked, thans [19:15]
mircea_popescu bounce as a "map the rot" project this is probably valuable even if it gets no direct results. [19:15]
Naphex thanks even [19:15]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [19:16]
mircea_popescu little better available in training devices in any craft than "failure examination" [19:16]
fluffypony dexX7: I'm guessing, of course, I may be wrong [19:16]
mircea_popescu Naphex yw [19:16]
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mircea_popescu ...but it's hard for me to believe that us is the first in line << it's the first in line of the set {US} [19:16]
dexX7 well, should not be much of a problem, even if it's a blackhole at the moment. thanks fluffy anyway :) [19:16]
asciilifeform http://www.rfcafe.com/miscellany/contests/images/an-introduction-to-error-analysis.jpg [19:16]
fluffypony dexX7: btw is this being used programmatically by a system, or is it normal user-generated emails? [19:17]
asciilifeform (cover of an old uni textbook i had) [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063602 = 0.1908 BTC [-] {2} [19:17]
Apocalyptic "ADAM BACK, CHIEF CRYPTOGRAPHY OFFICER" [19:17]
mircea_popescu maybe the key difference is the time - and gradual nature << they didn't have the press. which is why it took longer. ussr didn't have the internet, which is why it took so damned long. [19:17]
Apocalyptic that's a title you don't see very often [19:17]
mircea_popescu the us can collapse in all of two weeks, as tech stands today. [19:17]
BingoBoingo http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/texas/alamo-urinator-sentenced-to-prison-765419 [19:18]
dexX7 rabbit answered re: cold glass devices and probably comes by sooner or later [19:18]
asciilifeform cold glass? [19:18]
dexX7 *dildos [19:18]
dexX7 hehe [19:18]
dexX7 sec [19:18]
dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=566626.0;all [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0075 = 0.3 BTC [+] [19:19]
fluffypony dexX7: been using this recently, and it's awesome: http://www.mailgun.com [19:19]
dexX7 fluffypony: it's simply a webhost with mail service which redirects all incomings [19:19]
bounce checked the DNSBLs? [19:20]
BingoBoingo dexX7: Do you have DKIM set up? [19:20]
mircea_popescu Naphex you'll prolly have to point out to your boss you're doing more marketing/pr than anyone there. [19:20]
mircea_popescu time for a raise. [19:20]
mircea_popescu fluffypony srsly ? wtf does it do ? i was just deriding it yest. [19:21]
asciilifeform 'NFC technology, you can be certain that the chip inside is exactly your chip- it has a unique authenticity signature, non-clonable, and most usefully, an access counter.' << someone needs 'protocol vs. promise' lesson? [19:21]
Naphex mircea_popescu: hehe, will send him a note :] only got 2 extra toothpicks this year:( [19:21]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: I have constant issues with customers marking order updates as spam accidentally/on purpose, have that happen a few times and suddenly all customers stop getting emails from your domain [19:22]
bounce what, you're saying broadcasting unique serial numbers is somehow not automagic security on top? but! It's NFC, man! [19:22]
fluffypony all GMail customers, sorry [19:22]
fluffypony should have specified that [19:22]
mircea_popescu is this vuscan fellow the son of the oil factory vuscan, with the 3 victims traffic accident ? [19:22]
fluffypony but mailgun mails seem to go through no problem [19:22]
dexX7 well, there is something about DKIM in the header [19:22]
Naphex mircea_popescu: yes [19:22]
mircea_popescu ic [19:22]
Naphex former Horea Oil [19:22]
Naphex for cooking, was named after him i think [19:23]
joecool BingoBoingo: lawl, ozzy got away with paying texas $10k to forget about it [19:23]
BingoBoingo joecool: Yeah [19:23]
mircea_popescu fluffypony so basically it sells you gmail protection services ? the spam racket ? [19:23]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: bingo [19:24]
dexX7 anyway. i'm away again, thanks and bye :) [19:24]
mircea_popescu how the fuck is ycombinator involved in everything unsavoury. [19:24]
bounce they're angels, that's why [19:24]
pankkake dexX7: the basics are: reverse dns of sending server should be related to the expeditor domain (or at least be something), and SPF entries are always a plus [19:24]
wywialm mircea_popescu, still i don't see how currently visible and not visible but suspected cracks might bring down us [19:24]
rithm it's called "hacker news" after all [19:24]
pankkake you can search your IP on DNSBLs, maybe you've been flagged [19:25]
joecool $4k to "pay for the damage" who gets paid $4k to hose off a wall? [19:25]
mircea_popescu wywialm this is why i made my linearity objeciton. it won't collapse because of "cracks". it will collapse because all the people that matter are fucking sick of it. [19:25]
mircea_popescu and the people that matter are the 1%, not the average fucktard on reddit/the metro. [19:25]
wywialm true [19:26]
fluffypony yeah, because Occupy Wall Street was so successful [19:26]
fluffypony it just kinda went nowhere and fizzled out [19:26]
bounce so? hairline cracks are much less % of aeroplanes, but if you don't watch out the wings might still fall off [19:26]
bounce s/less/& than/ [19:27]
asciilifeform 'occupy lolstreet' is analogous to zhirinovsky's political party in the late ussr [19:27]
wywialm still, these people have some exposure to us treasuries - and yields are further than anytime from signaling default [19:27]
asciilifeform yes, the one set up by kgb [19:27]
bounce argl, cancel subst [19:27]
Naphex mircea_popescu: funny how people always remember the victim count :P [19:27]
* bounce needs food, badly [19:27]
asciilifeform as 'first second party!11!' [19:27]
mircea_popescu wywialm actually the exposure to treasuries is mostly pension funds. [19:29]
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asciilifeform both -> exposure to 'bail-in' [19:29]
wywialm from my knowledge, the highest exposure is interbank collateral, bank reserves and China [19:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, the bubble is having trouble [19:30]
mircea_popescu http://www.cnbc.com/id/101585397 [19:30]
mircea_popescu wywialm we were talking fo the {1%, 99%} set I thought [19:31]
mircea_popescu banks reduce to their shareholders, and foreign sovereigns don't count [19:31]
mircea_popescu china holding us debt is no sort of statement of confidence in the usg, quite the contrary, it's a claim on its asshole. [19:31]
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wywialm i once gave it (the china matter) a thought, and currently i believe it is to weak a claim. in case of default, china would get much much more hurt than us [19:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 2 @ 0.14 = 0.28 BTC [19:34]
wywialm and banks are currently increasingly departed from their shareholders, too close to washington, dc [19:34]
mircea_popescu wywialm how do you figure, "much more hurt" ? [19:35]
bounce re asimov story: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/07/business/gods-edging-out-robots-at-toyota-facility/ [19:35]
mircea_popescu "china takes over alaska administration, in consideration of debts owed by us government" [19:35]
mircea_popescu not thaty hurt. [19:35]
wywialm china banking system is built upon dollar reserves, after they evaporate, china could only use military force. And when it comes to war, any claim can serve only as a pretext [19:37]
wywialm i don't believe china would need a pretext if they were sufficiently prepared [19:37]
mircea_popescu i don't see that claim. [19:38]
wywialm bonds as a claim [19:38]
mircea_popescu chinese banks were built that way briefly in the 70s, i would guess. [19:38]
mircea_popescu meanwhile it's a lot more complicated, they also peg to the euro, they also peg to a russian synthetic-currency derived out of energy holdings, [19:38]
mircea_popescu and these are just the big ones [19:39]
mircea_popescu http://en.voice-yemen.com/content/uploads/blog-64-china-exports.jpg this is illustrative. [19:40]
wywialm why then the china monetary growth halts so rapidly when US QE3 is gradually folding, both in terms of dollar money supply growth and expectation of its future path? [19:40]
mircea_popescu their asian interests marginally exceed us and europe combined, for instance. [19:40]
mircea_popescu so while it wouldn't be alaksa per se, there's plenty of places it can be. [19:40]
mircea_popescu wywialm many possible reasons. they had a number of local crises brewing for a long time, when your neighbour is arrested for unkempt yard is a good time to do a little lawn mowing in your own. [19:41]
wywialm if the dollar wasn't their main reference point and concern, PBoC could sustain their previous money growth at will [19:43]
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wywialm after all, inflating the currency is not so difficult [19:43]
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mircea_popescu of course they could. [19:44]
mircea_popescu they don't seem to want to. [19:44]
bounce how much for alaska, buying a free state with bitcoin? [19:45]
wywialm obviously true, at least in case of china. [19:45]
wywialm i remember some economists claiming that e.g. Japan couldn't inflate any further by printing money [19:45]
mircea_popescu bounce i would guess when it eventually sells it'll be something like 500k-1mn btc [19:45]
wywialm that was before Kuroda at the BoJ, of course [19:46]
mircea_popescu wywialm lol [19:46]
wywialm google richard koo, if i recall correcty [19:46]
mircea_popescu "Today, the tech industry is apparently on track to destroy one of the world’s most valuable cultural treasures, San Francisco, " [19:47]
mircea_popescu dude holy shit. san francisco is barely fucking notable, what is this navel grazing crap. [19:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [19:47]
wywialm and hordes of speciffically flavoured keynesians fearing the zero lower bound of interest rates, the called for fiscal expansion as a substitute [19:48]
mircea_popescu wywialm japan is not salvageable anyway. [19:49]
bounce o_O? [19:49]
mircea_popescu it has a history, but no future, just like england has a history, but no future. [19:49]
Apocalyptic not so sure about england [19:50]
Apocalyptic but definitely about Japan [19:50]
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mircea_popescu they'll be the 51th state of their respective local superpowers, and be used exactly like san francisco is used today [19:50]
joecool nubbins`: you buying at all? i need a small amount of CAD [19:50]
mircea_popescu "o hey, 200 years ago mark twain whom you've read though this place was pretty cool. [19:50]
mircea_popescu back then, it was." [19:50]
wywialm i agree about japan [19:50]
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mircea_popescu anyway, this piece is pretty lulzy http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/14/sf-housing/ [19:52]
Naphex mircea_popescu: how do I get btcx data into gribble?:D [19:56]
fluffypony Naphex: ask nanotube [19:57]
mircea_popescu nanotube may help you with that, possibly also talk to tcatm (runs bitcoincharts) [19:57]
pankkake first step is being on bitcoincharts I think [19:57]
fluffypony good point [19:57]
thestringpuller ;;ud hold up [19:58]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hold%20up | hold up. wait a minute! postpone your plans, there's something that must be addressed immediately. hold up, let me grab some munchies before we get goin. [19:58]
Naphex thanks [19:58]
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Naphex already rolled out api, just need some accessors to help people with the public data [19:58]
Naphex https://api.btcxchange.ro/ [19:58]
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danielpbarron do you run that site? [19:59]
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thestringpuller benkay: you actually here or just frontin' [19:59]
Naphex hoping to finish the data plant and eur support sometime next week [19:59]
asciilifeform 'The Google Bus protesters have said that the company should build housing on its campus, but the Mountain View city council has explicitly forbidden Google from doing just that. They’ve argued that it’s to protect the city’s burrowing owl population.' << real estate parasites want to live too [19:59]
Naphex danielpbarron: one of the main programmers behind it [20:00]
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benkay i'm here thestringpuller [20:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0524999 = 0.105 BTC [-] [20:06]
bounce programmer? can you describe your set-up a bit? [20:08]
Naphex bounce: setup of what, like the workstation? [20:12]
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bounce whatever you think is important about developing and running the exchange. [20:12]
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jborkl mircea_popescu you see the American Airways twitter reponse yesterday? [20:15]
mircea_popescu jborkl that they apologise ? ya [20:15]
jborkl ya [20:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03280624 = 0.2624 BTC [+] {3} [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0637 = 0.1274 BTC [-] [20:17]
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wywialm !down [20:19]
assbot Need a nickname, wywialm. [20:19]
wywialm !down wywialm [20:20]
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mircea_popescu lolwut [20:20]
mircea_popescu !down wywialm [20:20]
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mircea_popescu hahaha niceone [20:20]
Naphex bounce: well for the trading engine i focused a lot on performance and security [20:20]
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Apocalyptic Naphex, is it in php ? [20:21]
Naphex Apocalyptic: lol no [20:21]
Apocalyptic what language then ? [20:21]
Naphex Apocalyptic: java for the backend [20:21]
mircea_popescu http://sgtreport.com/2014/04/unidentified-fighter-jets-open-fire-on-kramatorsk-airfield-casualties-reported/ [20:22]
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mircea_popescu java is focused on security ?! [20:22]
Naphex php for some of the frontend with no handling of critical data [20:22]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: yeah, its not like its running in the browser [20:22]
Naphex plus you run it on isolated enviroment with no other vulnerable cruft there [20:23]
wywialm why did i get de-identified? why did i get kicked instead of muted? [20:23]
mircea_popescu wywialm questions for the ages. [20:23]
Naphex and you clean the input through load balancers before fowarding in it [20:23]
Naphex i expect more vulnerable code from C guys then Java guys tbh [20:24]
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Apocalyptic java is focused on security ?! // surprised as well, it's not focused on performance either [20:24]
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pankkake a selling point of java is its simplicity (I'm gentle, I hate that aspect but well) [20:25]
Apocalyptic gotta love that fat VM [20:25]
Naphex its pretty high performance if you're not running on shitty servlets [20:25]
pankkake in return it's easy to analyze [20:25]
Naphex Standalone java, nio, is pretty high performance tbh [20:25]
TestingUnoDosTre Haha American airlines twitted some pron? [20:25]
Naphex BigDecimal performance nicely as well [20:25]
Naphex don't belive it, try some benchmarks :P [20:26]
Apocalyptic Naphex, high performance compared to what an equivalent code compiled in C ? doubt it [20:26]
fluffypony TestingUnoDosTre: yeah saw that, it's hilarious :) [20:26]
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pankkake java is amazing in the sense that it performs well at benchmark [20:26]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [20:26]
pankkake but when you use it it FEELS so slow [20:26]
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Naphex runs pretty good [20:27]
Apocalyptic pankkake, java and amazing don't belong to the same sentence, ever :D [20:27]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [20:27]
fluffypony I'll take an exchange with Java on the back than PHP any day [20:27]
pankkake fluffypony: yeah. even though, again, I really don't like Java as a developer [20:27]
Naphex i like it [20:28]
fluffypony pankkake: I personally dislike it too [20:28]
Naphex and i do C, C++ as well [20:28]
Naphex nothing to dislike about it [20:28]
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Naphex imho [20:28]
Naphex its got hard types, you get away from low level [20:29]
Naphex its not that bad too scale, threading is a breeze [20:29]
Naphex NIO classes are awesome [20:29]
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Naphex everything is checked, exceptions everywhere (yes a good thing) :) [20:30]
Apocalyptic exception handlers are a killing performance [20:30]
Naphex nothing to qq about [20:30]
pankkake yes, it's certainly cleaner than C++ on that aspect [20:30]
Apocalyptic you get away from low level // that's almost always a bad thing in performance critical applications [20:31]
Naphex Apocalyptic: they don't kill too much performance when you are sensible about it [20:31]
Apocalyptic i.e. it will probably spend a tremendous amount of time doing things you don't want it doing [20:31]
bounce how do load balancers clean input? [20:31]
Naphex doing Price-Time prio is not that performance critical that you can't do it with BigDecimal and java [20:31]
Naphex or you have to do a C/C plugin to optimize :P [20:31]
Apocalyptic plugins ? [20:32]
Naphex bounce: load balancer with packet inspection, validate messages and packets before [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00096695 = 1.257 BTC [+] [20:32]
Apocalyptic since you work with sathosi-precision an uint_64 is all you need [20:32]
Apocalyptic he bignum library will once again slow things down [20:32]
Apocalyptic *the [20:32]
Naphex Apocalyptic: as in write a C .so to implement/optimize bogdowns [20:32]
bounce validate in what sense, ip packets? tcp streams? [20:32]
Naphex Apocalyptic: its not about that, you eventually want to support more currencies and some money formatting [20:33]
Apocalyptic so what ? [20:33]
Naphex bounce: down to data packets for specific services [20:33]
Apocalyptic you're telling me you will need to store things above 64-bit precision ? [20:33]
bounce http, or what're you taking in, FIX? [20:34]
Apocalyptic zimbabwe dollars planned soon ? [20:34]
Naphex hehe [20:34]
fluffypony I'd love me some Zim Dollaz [20:34]
BingoBoingo http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140414/NEWS08/304140043/Pentagon-condemns-provocative-Russian-military-action-against-U-S-Navy-ship [20:34]
Naphex Apocalyptic: its not that, but a lot more went into picking java, and i definetly wouldn't have picked C:P [20:35]
Apocalyptic why ? [20:35]
Naphex programmer availability would have been another one [20:35]
Apocalyptic for now all you're arguments for using java are kinda superfluous [20:35]
Naphex hard to find good C programmers vs java ones [20:35]
Apocalyptic *your [20:35]
Naphex this around the location where i live [20:36]
Apocalyptic and it's clearly not optimized for performance given what you've described [20:36]
kakobrekla ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a requirement of leaving the feedback, but since he is asking to give him back btc 'for old time [20:36]
kakobrekla sakes', I will leave this feedback here. [20:36]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user usagi has been recorded. [20:36]
Naphex easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced [20:36]
kakobrekla fuck it doesnt fit [20:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00096695 = 13.02 BTC [+] [20:36]
Apocalyptic easier to debug, maintain and analyze code others produced // ok this is a point [20:36]
pankkake omg! [20:36]
Apocalyptic but you will notice it has nothing to do with performance or securit [20:36]
Apocalyptic +y [20:36]
fluffypony kakobrekla: now he'll have to recant his earlier statement [20:37]
bounce so, java for the back-end and some php for some front. what about the tradig webfront and the trading api? [20:37]
fluffypony Marc [20:37]
Naphex is from a java / rpc server standpoind :] [20:37]
kakobrekla :D [20:37]
bounce s/dig/ding/ [20:37]
fluffypony Markakobrekla [20:37]
kakobrekla ;;rate usagi 1 Had a 1140 btc contract with usagi which entitled me to said amount on 2012-08-26. The final payment was done 2013-04-27, totaling 995 btc. The sum was 145 btc short but I agreed to let it slide because of distress on the market of the underlying 'securities' and rapid btc market price rise. The contract did not involve a clause re. wot, but since he is asking back btc, I will leave it here. [20:38]
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kakobrekla thar. [20:38]
Naphex bounce: trading api just hits same engine api server as the frontend [20:38]
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mircea_popescu Naphex you know you should be using ints for bitcoin in the first place. wtf decimal bs is this [20:39]
fluffypony yurp [20:40]
Apocalyptic mircea, see above [20:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla wins the "longest rate comment" contest. [20:40]
kakobrekla lol [20:40]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic yeah you beat me to it :p [20:41]
Naphex mircea_popescu: http://java-performance.info/bigdecimal-vs-double-in-financial-calculations/ [20:41]
Apocalyptic who said anything about double ? [20:41]
mircea_popescu Naphex int dood. not decimal of any kind. int. [20:41]
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mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot usagi [20:42]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user usagi: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=usagi | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=usagi | Rated since: Mon Jun 18 12:33:55 2012 [20:42]
bounce everybody knows accounting should be done on the double [20:42]
mircea_popescu check that shit out. [20:42]
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Naphex mircea_popescu: bigdecimal gets to deal with all that, and you don't have to store multiple currencies with a scale value as well [20:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0525 = 0.1575 BTC [+] {2} [20:42]
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Naphex i have multi-currency support handled in the engine [20:42]
mircea_popescu if i were designing this it'd all be satoshi based, and your 19.99 dollars'd read as 1999000000 [20:43]
mircea_popescu but anyway1 [20:43]
Apocalyptic ^ [20:43]
Naphex and then you would've have kept the scale value as well right [20:43]
Apocalyptic maybe just set some smaller precision on the fiat side [20:43]
Naphex USD scale .2 [20:43]
bounce alright, so, you cook up a new feature. hit reload and it goes live? or how does that work? [20:43]
Naphex dogecoin .scale 8 [20:43]
mircea_popescu Naphex why keep a scale value ? [20:44]
Apocalyptic bounce, hotswapping code, gotta love it [20:44]
mircea_popescu you're on a 64 bit system, who the fuck is going to deposit enough dollars to take you out of maxint [20:44]
Naphex i dunno [20:44]
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Naphex why care about that> [20:44]
bounce YKINMK, and anyway, let the guy explain [20:44]
Apocalyptic mircea, because he uses some arbitrary precision library he doesn't have a clue that he doesn't need it [20:44]
Naphex use bigdecimal and let it handle o.O [20:44]
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mircea_popescu 92`233`720`368.54775807 worst case scenario. [20:44]
mircea_popescu even obama dun have it. [20:44]
bounce or that mexican telephone guy [20:45]
davout Apocalyptic: what's wrong with a bigdecimal type? [20:45]
Naphex davout: nothing is [20:45]
Naphex hehe [20:45]
Apocalyptic compared to native int handling it's worse performance-wise [20:46]
Apocalyptic which is what we're arguing here [20:46]
Naphex i just don't need it, and would probably run faster going native [20:46]
Naphex too bad i run this on 32 core [20:46]
Naphex and i never get too feel much performance increase yet [20:46]
davout Apocalyptic: benchmark pl0x [20:46]
Apocalyptic even so, it will use 2 registers to store one Naphex [20:46]
Apocalyptic no big deal [20:46]
davout also if you really care about this kind of performance difference you're doing some seriously messed up shit [20:46]
davout :-) [20:47]
Apocalyptic still better than the thousands of CPU-cycles overhead using that BigDecimal [20:47]
Naphex time to start writing a new exchange engine, with its own kernel ;] [20:47]
bounce in perl [20:47]
Naphex Apocalyptic: too bad i can scale this too still low cost and get whole bitcoin exchange trafic [20:47]
Naphex and not break much sweat [20:48]
davout Apocalyptic: is it what you think or have you actually benchmarked it ? also cpu cycles are a couple of order of magnitudes cheaper than the time it takes to handle it the code level by hungry humans [20:48]
bounce naphex: suppose you cook up a new feature. how does it go in? save work, reload and go? [20:48]
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bounce davout: for single applications, yes. for things that run on 30M+ cpus, not so much. [20:49]
davout bounce: [20:49]
Naphex bounce: nah, git checkout, compile, run tests, test in pre-production, run tests again [20:49]
bounce s/single/& deployment/ really [20:49]
Naphex shutdown and reload [20:49]
davout whoops [20:49]
Apocalyptic davout, i don't need to benchmark something I know will require 1 ASM MUL EAX,EBX instruction for exemple compared to a Java arbitrary-precision library [20:49]
Naphex when you do git checkout there are some other code preprocessing before, but doesn't matter [20:49]
bounce alright, so you have separate dev/test/prod environments. how does roll-back work, should that be necessary? [20:49]
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Naphex bounce: time based snapshots, backups, and replayable transactions with microtime acuracy [20:50]
Naphex roll back everything to point in time X [20:50]
Apocalyptic "replayable transactions with microtime acuracy" now that's something nice [20:50]
Naphex worst case scenario manual data importing and conversiion [20:50]
bounce ever tested that? [20:51]
davout Apocalyptic: what kind of software that's so sensitive to minor performance differences were you guys discussing anyway ? [20:51]
Naphex bounce: yes [20:51]
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bounce assuming you didn't have to do it in anger (yet) [20:51]
Apocalyptic davout, a trading engine [20:51]
fluffypony davout: BTC<->fiat exchange [20:51]
bounce what's the database like? [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 707 @ 0.00016382 = 0.1158 BTC [-] {7} [20:51]
fluffypony bounce: good question [20:51]
davout Apocalyptic fluffypony and you guys worry about this kind of performance difference? [20:51]
fluffypony davout: I'm not [20:51]
Apocalyptic davout, when you come in claiming you have focused on performance yes [20:52]
kakobrekla all you really need is a better string. [20:52]
Naphex bounce: in memory, sql back stores [20:52]
kakobrekla maybe a golden chain. [20:52]
fluffypony davout: I'd probably go Galera Cluster for the DB + something monolithic for the trading engine...python? nfi. I haven't thought this through. [20:52]
Naphex Apocalyptic: haven't focused that far, no more debunking needed:P [20:52]
bounce so java in-memory or something like I dunno memcached? [20:52]
Naphex java in memory, with some inhouse disk based storage, and sql backstores [20:53]
fluffypony Naphex: you should switch to mongodb, it it's good enough for CoinBase it should be good enough for everyone [20:53]
fluffypony [20:53]
fluffypony web scale! [20:53]
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davout Apocalyptic fluffypony i wouldn't care about that, i'd care about having a fault tolerant memory db, that slowly gets synced to an actual rdbms [20:53]
bounce apropos, which sql thinger? [20:53]
Apocalyptic mysql obviously [20:53]
Naphex psql [20:54]
pankkake obviously? [20:54]
Apocalyptic was joking :) [20:54]
Naphex obviously [20:54]
bounce obviously. [20:54]
Naphex :)) [20:54]
pankkake :) [20:54]
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bounce ever had the power go out? [20:54]
Naphex bounce: diesel backup ;] [20:54]
Naphex coloc [20:55]
bounce hope you don't have to crank it up manually. :-) [20:55]
Naphex there's a slave there who does it :)) [20:55]
bounce he fast enough that the batteries don't outrun him then? [20:55]
Naphex he senses power loss 20 minutes early [20:56]
Naphex using romanian voodoo magic ;] [20:56]
fluffypony nice [20:56]
fluffypony gypsy slave? [20:56]
fluffypony or just ordinary slave? [20:56]
Naphex hehe [20:56]
Apocalyptic fluffypony, ask if they still have some copper left in the DC [20:57]
fluffypony lol [20:57]
davout lol [20:57]
fluffypony 100mbps is good enough for anyone! [20:57]
bounce so, that's one box with 32cpus does everything except the load balancing? [20:57]
fluffypony 10Base-T coax, star topology? [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ALC] 300 @ 0.14 = 42 BTC [20:57]
Naphex bounce: enough servers for everything, some stuff runs isolated [20:58]
bounce alright. monitoring? [20:59]
fluffypony http://network-communications.blogspot.com/2011/06/network-topology-star-bus-mesh-ring.html <- memories of networking in 1997 [20:59]
bounce 10BASE5 tentacled bus, silly [20:59]
bounce VAMPIRE TAPS [20:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0667238 = 0.1334 BTC [+] [20:59]
fluffypony hah [20:59]
Naphex realtime monitoring, rrd's for everything with alerts, everything critical is on a dashboard :) [21:00]
bounce who's looking at it, you? [21:00]
Naphex ? [21:01]
bounce if that's a question.... anyway, whose phone's gonna ring when the dashboard turns red? [21:01]
Naphex everyones [21:01]
bounce how many people total, about five or so? [21:02]
Naphex probably [21:02]
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bounce alright, the prosecution rests. ;-) [21:03]
Naphex phew :)) [21:03]
Naphex nah its serious stuff [21:04]
Naphex money is important for everyone ;] [21:04]
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bounce yeah. these're the sort of questions people should've been asking from the start. [21:05]
bounce you at least look to've thought about it, so that's something. [21:05]
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Naphex i did lots of this stuff before, so most come in natural [21:06]
bounce you worked at a bank before? [21:06]
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Naphex a lot more risk to expect from handling money and bitcoins then public transport data [21:06]
Naphex nah - no banks [21:07]
Naphex embedded and industrial app development, in software [21:07]
bounce bit of an old boys network, apparently. hard to get chummy with if you're not one of them. [21:07]
Naphex and lots of backends [21:07]
bounce ah, hence java [21:07]
fluffypony bounce: and also seems to be quite an MS shop in many parts, at least with the older more established banks [21:08]
Apocalyptic makes sense [21:08]
Naphex yes [21:08]
bounce winderz but often with ibmish backends [21:08]
fluffypony lots of IBM DB2 on the backend if it's really old stuff [21:08]
fluffypony yes [21:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.052 = 0.156 BTC [-] [21:08]
bounce really should do linux (well, *BSD really) thin clients at least for all the desks, and something reasonable for a back-end. which might still be some mainframe or other. [21:10]
Naphex http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/cat/urban+transportation?var=2 some stuff i did [21:10]
fluffypony and then for some reason automation and tooling written in COBOL [21:10]
bounce s/desks/teller stations/ [21:10]
Naphex http://www.alienconcept.ro/en/prod/name/citypark+ticket+vending+machines?var=1 and [21:10]
fluffypony bounce: from about 2003-2007 I was heavily involved with two of the local banks [21:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11900 @ 0.00097009 = 11.5441 BTC [+] {2} [21:10]
fluffypony the one, Standard Bank, ran OS/2 warp in a VM for their home loans client [21:11]
fluffypony literally every single agent/manager/support person in the home loans dept used that [21:11]
fluffypony because rewriting the system would have been too expensive, and IBM sold them on OS/2 in the 80s/90s [21:11]
bounce OS/2 does funky things to the hardware, apparently a bitch to emulate [21:11]
bounce not a bad move otherwise. though I'd still be mighty tempted to just quietly start and refactor parts until I have a fully working system, even if it takes a few years [21:12]
fluffypony well that was one of the projects I was on [21:13]
fluffypony we started with reporting [21:13]
fluffypony instead of live reporting off DB2 (each business unit pays for DB2 access they use over the month, so it's pricey) it was cheaper to drop and re-copy the entire DB every night to a reporting DB [21:13]
fluffypony re-index, and fresh reports are available in the morning [21:14]
fluffypony no clue if it progressed much from there, I went on to other things [21:15]
bounce naphex: looking cool. [21:15]
bounce page appears to make some unwarranted assumptions in the layout, but anyway [21:15]
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Naphex all sorts of machines for eastern europe mostly [21:16]
bounce should be plenty market, if a bit cash-strapped [21:17]
Naphex yeah [21:18]
Naphex few cities in romania that use our full solution for public transport [21:18]
Naphex some parking meters for poland [21:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEEQ] 1715 @ 0.00019872 = 0.3408 BTC [+] {8} [21:27]
mircea_popescu http://mg.co.za/article/2014-04-11-zim-informal-economy-fast-taking-over [21:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 134 @ 0.0075 = 1.005 BTC [+] [21:28]
fluffypony <3 mg [21:29]
fluffypony it's honestly one of our better publications [21:29]
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asciilifeform 'we refuse to produce any more C programmers who are a danger to themselves and others.' -- my old dean [21:34]
asciilifeform (circa 2005 ?) [21:35]
BingoBoingo C == Portable language that is dangerous because it offers too many points of failure, Java ==Portable language that places points of failure in the runtime to avoid C's points of failure [21:36]
Apocalyptic C is raw power, it's dangerous if you don't really know what you're doing [21:37]
asciilifeform they give plastic scissors to grade school students, too. - but not shoemakers. not yet. [21:37]
asciilifeform also funny how the two 'philosophies' can co-exist in one school. we had an 'operating systems' class. C, naturally. about six people remained to take final exam. [21:38]
asciilifeform (from, if i recall, 40) [21:39]
Naphex i don't have anything against C [21:41]
Naphex just wouldn't use it for a big project involving 4+ programmers in a usual work day [21:41]
Naphex every [21:42]
jborkl mircea_popescu <- finally happy with this result http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_B5_XR9/ [21:42]
asciilifeform there is really no reason to still be using CPU archs without bounds checking, hardware-enforced types, mechanical garbage collection, etc. [21:42]
asciilifeform i sorta have a blog about this. [21:42]
BingoBoingo Indeed [21:43]
mike_c hardware garbage collection? what arch does that? [21:44]
pankkake was going to ask that [21:44]
pankkake or is it possible? [21:44]
jurov iirc lisp machines had no addressable memory, only stack [21:45]
jurov no heap = no garbage colletion [21:45]
jurov *had -> exposed [21:45]
mike_c so i dump a 5mb buffer on the stack? [21:48]
mike_c is lisp functional? this seems odd. [21:48]
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artifexd jborkl: Dude! That is a seriously massive improvement! [21:59]
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BingoBoingo Cool, I don't suck much either http://www.webpagetest.org/result/140415_DA_YCD/ [22:04]
Naphex http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/ [22:06]
bounce bit heavy on the js for a page that doesn't look like it should need any [22:09]
BingoBoingo bounce: I have some basic (google free) analytics stuff. [22:10]
Apocalyptic Naphex, not surprising [22:10]
thestringpuller !ticker m s.mpoe [22:10]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00095348 / 0.00096134 / 0.00097025 (244990 shares, 235.52 BTC), 7D: 0.00095065 / 0.00096606 / 0.00101 (3233012 shares, 3,123.30 BTC), 30D: 0.00079699 / 0.00093014 / 0.00101 (22748973 shares, 21,159.92 BTC) [22:11]
Apocalyptic "but they said they are an industry-grade exchange !" [22:11]
jborkl artifexd ty - I am using a js cache on the server [22:11]
jborkl so might be why it looks heavy idk have not gotten that far yet [22:11]
bounce google isn't exactly parsimonious with client cycles. [22:11]
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Naphex their response http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/2326dr/evidence_of_critical_bug_found_in_atlas_ats_new/cgt6xs5 :) [22:13]
bounce pretty speedy response at least. but how the fsck do you fail to account for p/l on a day you "restart your systems"? what're they running, batch-only dinosaurs? [22:16]
Apocalyptic "Part of the gains or losses for that day are lost" is this acceptable ? [22:17]
bounce I'd say no, but I'm no accountant. [22:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] [PAID] 3.17320895 BTC to 13`595 shares, 23341 satoshi per share [23:00]
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fluffypony http://bgr.com/2014/04/15/galaxy-s5s-fingerprint-scanner-hacked/ [23:01]
pankkake bio id will always be stupid, why even try [23:03]
bounce hax! and yet you can see paypal deaffirm their religious beliefs in fingerprint "security". no wonder the hatted bunch keeps on having a field day. [23:03]
fluffypony pankkake I think it has its place [23:03]
fluffypony remember that like 90% of the world thinks "password" is an ok password, and "password1234" is secure [23:03]
asciilifeform jurov: hardware garbage collection? what arch does that << 'scheme-79' chip. [23:03]
fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure [23:03]
pankkake maybe for unlocking the phone if it has been unlocked less than an hour ago, but I would never put more trust in it [23:04]
fluffypony yes [23:04]
bounce spaceballs. [23:04]
fluffypony but [23:04]
fluffypony stuff like TouchID when coupled with iCloud Keychain is awesome for the general populace [23:04]
fluffypony as it makes drive-by attacks much harder [23:04]
fluffypony and moves the attack surface from drive-by, remove attacks, to on-device/in-person attacks [23:04]
fluffypony which are more sophisticated and targeted [23:04]
bounce why yes, "make believe security" and other snake oil are awesome for the general populace [23:05]
fluffypony bounce: we're talking about a significant improvement over the current state of affairs, that isn't snake oil [23:06]
fluffypony unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P [23:06]
bounce convenient shiny fingerprint pads with pre-supplied fingerprints are of course very well helped when secured by... fingerprints [23:07]
fluffypony sure, but it requires physical presence [23:07]
fluffypony you need to physically control the device [23:07]
fluffypony and unless you know I'm Bob the Billionaire with Billionz in his Bank...why target me? [23:08]
bounce sure, pickpockets and petty thieves usually prefer billionaires, that's a fact. [23:10]
fluffypony I don't think there's been a successful attack on TouchID / Samsung's fingerprint login that lifted a fingerprint from the device and used it to unlock it? [23:12]
Naphex fluffypony: backdoors in phone software ninjaing your accesses?:p [23:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1770 @ 0.00096649 = 1.7107 BTC [-] {2} [23:13]
bounce what was that lovely bypass bug in iOS again? [23:14]
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bounce then there's the radio interface side [23:14]
fluffypony Naphex: yeah but that's a different attack surface entirely, I'm just talking about taking the general security level of the general populace up a notch [23:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.00096426 = 4.2427 BTC [-] [23:14]
fluffypony bounce: I fully agree, but again, we're not talking about sophisticated attacks here [23:15]
* assbot gives voice to nubbins` [23:15]
bounce the thing is that this "general populace" includes everyone, which to the fone company certainly includes *you* [23:15]
nubbins` joecool_ sorry, i generally don't buy [23:15]
Apocalyptic what's the last word on danny ? [23:15]
fluffypony bounce: also most of the iOS bypass bugs I've played with have exposed photos, or the dialler, or something...not a complete unmitigated unlock [23:16]
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fluffypony Apocalyptic: this thing - http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/ [23:16]
bounce the only real fix is that we really start thinking about this, and indeed, educate most people --which used to be possible, they learned their letters and numbers too, after all-- instead of just throwing the latest in buzzwordery at it. like "biometrics". [23:16]
bounce especially since biometrics are fundamentally and fatally flawed [23:17]
* assbot gives voice to TestingUnoDosTre [23:17]
mircea_popescu "I assure you our system is not fundamentally flawed, there are bugs and we try to find them before the customer." [23:17]
mircea_popescu this sounds vaguely bitdaytradesque [23:17]
Apocalyptic ty fluffypony [23:18]
Naphex http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/09/22/iphone_5_touchid_broken_by_chaos_computer_club/ back in '13 [23:18]
bounce it's the industry standard, with pentesting and other such "due diligence" [23:18]
mircea_popescu fluffypony "password1234!" is ultra-secure << remember the 88seals88 and pokerseals etc pws ? [23:18]
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fluffypony lol yeah [23:19]
kakobrekla 88seals88 ? [23:19]
mircea_popescu unless you believe user education is going to work and everyone is suddenly going to start using secure one-time passwords :-P << i just belive everyone who isn't is going to be relegated to the salt mines. why should every human qualify as a "user" ? [23:19]
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fluffypony kakobrekla: http://thehackernews.com/2013/12/SealsWithClubs-bitcoin-poker-hacked-password-dump_20.html [23:19]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: so survival of the secure-ist? [23:19]
mircea_popescu yes. [23:19]
BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/04/15/a-better-toy-computer-vaxberry-pie/ [23:20]
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mircea_popescu whosoever can not use a computer, should not be using computers. [23:20]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: agreed. is this about the time I self-identify as a bitcoin-assets cultist? [23:20]
fluffypony cultee? [23:20]
kakobrekla jesus fuuck 42k members? [23:20]
mircea_popescu perhaps ? [23:21]
mircea_popescu but you know... what now, make books that even people who won't learn the alphabet can read ? [23:21]
mircea_popescu make a math that doesn't need numbers ? [23:21]
mircea_popescu enough i say. [23:21]
fluffypony maybe there should be a test [23:22]
mircea_popescu bounce tbh biometrics was a thing of the 70s i thought. pretty much all sf of that decade had it, and by 90s it was in every action movie out there. [23:22]
bounce bingoboingo: later model MIPS in new process might be interesting too [23:22]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla yeah that was actually a pw. [23:22]
fluffypony it could start with the difference between your and you're, than and then, and (to spite me) principal and principle:-P [23:22]
mircea_popescu fluffypony there is a test. [23:22]
Apocalyptic "I have a family funeral to attend." #1 BS excuse [23:22]
Apocalyptic seriously the guy isn't even trying to sound legit [23:23]
bounce oh, you want 32bit. hm. how about Z80000 for something nicely obscure? maybe moto 88k? [23:23]
kakobrekla it was the hamster. [23:23]
fluffypony Apocalyptic: I always ask if I can go along to provide support :) [23:23]
kakobrekla and if he says yes? [23:24]
mircea_popescu 'Mass abduction' at #Nigeria school- about 100 girls, likely by Boko Haram [23:24]
BingoBoingo bounce: Sure but I dunno what a MIPs cooks as. A Vax though is a noble animal that has the potential for a delicious meat pie. Also just the sound of Vaxberry Pie works. [23:24]
mircea_popescu they're in for some fun... [23:24]
mircea_popescu http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-27037181 [23:24]
fluffypony kakobrekla: then you go along [23:24]
fluffypony to provide support [23:24]
BingoBoingo bounce: A big point is that OpenBSD is already on Vax working well, and they are very unlikely to abandon it. [23:25]
fluffypony http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/232v5n/the_full_picture_from_danny_brewster/cgt568i?context=4 [23:25]
fluffypony "Yes I am Mirceau Popescu soon to be extradited to the USSA" [23:25]
kakobrekla even its in zimbabwe, fluffypony? [23:25]
kakobrekla even if* [23:25]
Apocalyptic "Mirceau" again [23:26]
bounce apparently biometrics stays afloat on the pretty pix in teh moveez, for if you spend but a few seconds thinking about it, it becomes obvious that it cannot be a good fit for the purpose [23:26]
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Apocalyptic "The lesson for anyone in the public domain should already be clear: Don't try to answer rumours on Reddit, unless you are also prepared to provide cast iron proof of what you say, don't discuss your family affairs on a public forum, and especially don't mention your children - this is stupid beyond belief" [23:26]
Apocalyptic guy has a point [23:26]
fluffypony kakobrekla: no, only if it's local, I'm assuming this isn't someone asking to go on an overseas holid^z^z^z^z family emergency [23:26]
mircea_popescu Apocalyptic except it works like this : scammers love to mention their kids/wives (anyone recall patrick harnett ?) [23:27]
mircea_popescu for many reasons, part of which being that the emotional fuckwits who "invest" with them react to such [23:27]
Apocalyptic I see [23:28]
pankkake interesting [23:28]
mircea_popescu but a bigger part of which being that when they go to shit, they can try to divert the discussion on unrelated emo topicsa [23:28]
mircea_popescu as if anyone gives a shit if danny brewster's daughter ends up in a snuff video or in cypriots have talent [23:28]
Anduck !up chairman_meow [23:28]
assbot Voicing chairman_meow for 30 minutes. [23:28]
* assbot gives voice to chairman_meow [23:28]
Apocalyptic does he even have one ? [23:29]
chairman_meow thanks [23:29]
Anduck chairman_meow: now you can ask more info from people here who may know how it works [23:29]
mircea_popescu but no, let's discuss nonsense instead of how fuckwit danny failed to enter the wot, then failed to heed when mp said get in the wot or i'll fuck you up, then got fucked up. [23:29]
Anduck you have 30 minutes [23:29]
chairman_meow Hello [23:29]
mircea_popescu hi. [23:29]
chairman_meow assbot isnt working properly. I already ident'ed with gribble. I PM'ed !up to assbot, but it's failing [23:29]
mircea_popescu chairman_meow you have to be in its trust chain. [23:29]
chairman_meow it tells me "You must auth with gribble first." [23:30]
Apocalyptic ;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow [23:30]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never [23:30]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust assbot chairman_meow [23:30]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user chairman_meow: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=chairman_meow | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=chairman_meow | Rated since: never [23:30]
Apocalyptic damn you mircea [23:30]
chairman_meow ;;ident [23:30]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None [23:30]
mircea_popescu lol [23:30]
Apocalyptic chairman_meow, it's working as intended [23:30]
jurov ;;gettrust assbot paulo_ [23:30]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user paulo_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=paulo_ | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paulo_ | Rated since: Sun Apr 1 16:46:37 2012 [23:30]
Anduck Apocalyptic, mircea_popescu: if it works correctly, then the message is wrong. "You must auth with gribble first." [23:30]
mircea_popescu maybe kakobrekla can be arsed to make special error messages for each case. or maybe not. ha-ha! [23:31]
pankkake I have compiled sudo with the "offensive" USE flag. when my password is wrong, I get random insults [23:31]
mircea_popescu "If individuals admit guilt & reach civil settlement w/ govt, they can't deduct costs from tax returns. Companies can" << true, and pretty epic [23:31]
chairman_meow so.. I need a trust connection to assbot? [23:32]
mircea_popescu you need a rating from someone assbot trusts. [23:32]
chairman_meow !jd [23:32]
assbot Just-Dice stat: 15899 BTC profit, 33.1k BTC invested, 1044.40 mio bets, 5.18 mio BTC wagered [23:32]
mircea_popescu http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=assbot&sign=ANY&type=SENT [23:32]
mircea_popescu there's your list [23:32]
BingoBoingo chairman_meow: What do you do? [23:33]
bounce such not authenticated [23:33]
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Anduck hehe [23:33]
BingoBoingo !up chairman_meow [23:33]
assbot Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes. [23:33]
* assbot gives voice to chairman_meow [23:33]
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kakobrekla special message for what [23:34]
chairman_meow so.. what to do now heh [23:34]
chairman_meow I need to trade with one of these guys? [23:34]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla apparently if id'd but untrusted guy pms assbot he gets the same message as if he weren't id'd. [23:35]
kakobrekla impossibru [23:35]
mircea_popescu well at least it's what the guy claims. [23:35]
Naphex nah you get you need wot>0 [23:35]
Naphex i can verify [23:35]
mircea_popescu ah ? ok then! [23:36]
Anduck mircea_popescu: i've been wondering why do you not use bitcointalk forums? [23:36]
Anduck and why doesnt your pr use irc??? [23:36]
mircea_popescu because i don't associate with idiots. [23:36]
Apocalyptic Anduck, really ? [23:36]
Anduck yes really [23:36]
Apocalyptic (first question) [23:36]
mircea_popescu because what use would she be if i;m here ? [23:36]
Anduck well why is his pr then using bitcointalk :D [23:36]
chairman_meow maybe assbot is sending to gribble ";;ident chairman_meow" [23:37]
Apocalyptic cause she was paid to [23:37]
mircea_popescu i spent some money trying to educate a bunch of idiots. [23:37]
mircea_popescu it benefited a few. [23:37]
chairman_meow ;;ident chairman_meow [23:37]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'chairman_meow', with hostmask 'chairman_meow!~chairman@unaffiliated/chairman-meow/x-0334314', is identified as user 'paulo_', with GPG key id 1E981889706069F0, key fingerprint 065ED8592B2D20D56C12E80A666D9FB930A2134D, and bitcoin address None [23:37]
BingoBoingo chairman_meow: Well what you do affects how you get trust [23:37]
bounce chairman_meow: trade, impress, get chummy with, con, bribe, blackmail, what-have-you. [23:37]
chairman_meow oh wait, nevermind that was wrong [23:37]
chairman_meow why the change of rules for bitcoin-assets? [23:38]
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mircea_popescu chairman_meow read the logs for the 10th, iirc. [23:38]
* assbot gives voice to joecool [23:38]
Anduck someone with assbot trust now needs to rate him [23:39]
mike_c or this: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/ [23:39]
Anduck so he can up himself [23:39]
mircea_popescu http://bitbet.us/bet/740/may-i-suggest-9b-difficulty/#c2784 teh ppl doth protest [23:39]
chairman_meow ok, you can just let me be unvoiced now. I guess I'll eventually get that trade [23:40]
BingoBoingo Well I wouldn't be averse to offering trust for a small trade if I knew what the person's shtick is [23:40]
mircea_popescu kinda curious what that guy that was going to do the math to show how weight is not sharp enough comes up with. [23:40]
BingoBoingo !up chairman_meow [23:40]
assbot Voice for chairman_meow extended to 30 minutes. [23:40]
* assbot gives voice to chairman_meow [23:40]
mircea_popescu chairman_meow start with simpler stuff. what do you do ? [23:40]
BingoBoingo Not necessary monetary, quid pro quo works [23:40]
chairman_meow mircea_popescu: well I invest in just-dice [23:41]
chairman_meow I don't really do much [23:41]
chairman_meow sometimes dogecoins [23:41]
mircea_popescu how much of their 10k is you ? [23:41]
Anduck how is that relevant [23:41]
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Apocalyptic Anduck, that's probably the extent of his involvement with bitcoin [23:41]
mircea_popescu because if he comes back with something like 10% i'll challenge him to prove it, after which rate him. [23:42]
Apocalyptic given he mentionned that as the #1 thing [23:42]
mircea_popescu otherwise, anyone can invest a bitcent anywhere, hardly a qualifier. [23:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00096236 = 7.2177 BTC [-] {2} [23:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.03000101 = 0.27 BTC [+] {2} [23:42]
Anduck sure [23:42]
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mircea_popescu http://youngcons.com/this-actually-happened-irs-sent-a-five-year-old-boy-a-letter-about-his-taxes-his-response-is-hilarious/ << great for a lol, even if obviously fake. [23:42]
chairman_meow I haven't invested much. it's a small amount. I'm looking for more returns on bitcoin price swings [23:43]
chairman_meow so... I guess I don't really need access to this channel [23:43]
bounce ;;rate naphex 1 btcxchange.ro, grilled with cheese [23:43]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user naphex has been recorded. [23:43]
mircea_popescu well if you got something materially relevant you can always get someone to up you, so, no need to panic [23:43]
mircea_popescu https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/sec-obtaining-emails-without-warrant-or-not [23:46]
fluffypony ;;rate Naphex 1 if btcxchange.ro steals your money this guy will personally sort you out [23:46]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Naphex has been recorded. [23:46]
mircea_popescu herp. [23:46]
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Naphex hehe thanks for the rate ^^ [23:46]
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mircea_popescu !up LorenzoMoney [23:47]
assbot Voicing LorenzoMoney for 30 minutes. [23:47]
* assbot gives voice to LorenzoMoney [23:47]
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BingoBoingo Ah, this Baron thing is hard. Especially when it comes to considering what may be worthy of accepting someone as a Ridder or Jonhkeer [23:51]
chairman_meow hmmm I'm looking at the logs [23:52]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: vaxberry pie << pick up fpga dev board on ebay. [23:52]
chairman_meow I can't seems to find out why the rules changed [23:52]
chairman_meow *seem [23:52]
fluffypony chairman_meow: mutual consent [23:52]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo indeed. it should be. [23:52]
fluffypony groupthink [23:52]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: maximally evil closed build chain, but you can actually specify a circuit, e.g. pdp-11. [23:52]
mircea_popescu scientologee! [23:52]
fluffypony flying spaghetti monsterism [23:53]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: example, http://www.heeltoe.com/download/pdp11/README.html [23:53]
mircea_popescu yeah we kinda need a mascot or something don't we. [23:53]
mircea_popescu the holy sharpie in the worldy pooper ? [23:53]
fluffypony Buttcoins Inc? [23:54]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well I was more imagining what it would take for a Rasberry Pi to truly be a TI-89 surrogate than imagining a project for myself in the near future. [23:54]
mircea_popescu maybe a giant soldering iron. [23:55]
asciilifeform rectothermcoin. [23:55]
BingoBoingo Where is nubbins` to do this art [23:55]
mircea_popescu http://www.tandyonline.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/a/n/antex-st4-stand_1.png [23:55]
mircea_popescu god i love that shape [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i've one quite like this, here. [23:56]
mircea_popescu do you compulsively play with the support ? [23:56]
asciilifeform how'd you guess. [23:56]
mircea_popescu because it's quite clearly what it's for. [23:56]
asciilifeform lol [23:56]
mircea_popescu geek titties. [23:56]
asciilifeform sproing, sprooing. [23:56]
mircea_popescu rectothermicon [23:57]
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mircea_popescu like the necronomicon, only better. [23:57]
mircea_popescu so a bunch of romanians found an ancient article in which i sliced a rabbit and are having aneurisms all over my comment section. kinda funnay to watch. [23:58]
Apocalyptic heh [23:58]
asciilifeform wait people don't eat those in ro? [23:58]
jborkl my WOT nick is jborkl_ and the nick I use is jborkl - you have to change to jborkl_ with gribble auth with assbot then /nick jborkl [23:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform sure. [23:59]
asciilifeform over here, they can only be had in korean markets, because americans are weirdos [23:59]
jborkl that is why his did not work [23:59]
mircea_popescu there's a thin sliver of romanians who wannabe us hipster liberals. [23:59]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Probably an East Coast thing. No serious problem finding them here. [23:59]
mircea_popescu it's like... twice over the pretense [23:59]
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