Forum logs for 14 Sep 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu | meh, too lazy. | [00:00] |
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chetty | http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29136747?ocid=socialflow_twitter | [00:04] |
assbot | BBC News - How do you stop the flow of lava? | [00:04] |
mircea_popescu | lol are they crowdsourcing the answer ? | [00:05] |
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-assbot- | Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), first identify with gribble and then send "!up" to assbot in a private message. If you do not have a WoT account, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary pass. | [00:26] |
mircea_popescu | ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:1853d23f8b72ecee8d43315ebfc1f8547fab5df645cae7691f0c76aa | [00:26] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ContingencyPlan | [00:28] |
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mircea_popescu | !up ContingencyPlan | [00:29] |
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ContingencyPlan | thanks for the up - does anyone have a link for getting started with PGP/WoT? | [00:29] |
kakobrekla | http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets | [00:30] |
assbot | first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] | [00:30] |
ContingencyPlan | thanks | [00:30] |
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mircea_popescu | $proxies | [00:52] |
mircea_popescu | well anyway. | [00:52] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;bc,stats | [01:26] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 320563 | Current Difficulty: 2.9829733124040417E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 322559 | Next Difficulty In: 1996 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 0 hours, 39 minutes, and 46 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 45293795105.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 51.8411 | [01:26] |
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mircea_popescu | 51% baby :D | [01:26] |
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kakobrekla | dis a joke ? | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | early estimate always nutty. | [01:31] |
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mircea_popescu | http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin-ever.png always good for a omgwtf. | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | apparently bitcoin mining starts 12 months ago. who knew. | [01:34] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;calc 3.1 / 2.9829733124040417 | [01:36] |
gribble | 1.03923155702 | [01:36] |
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kakobrekla | what was the last change | [01:46] |
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jurov | http://books.google.sk/books?id=26EuXzVUs3YC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false | [01:50] |
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jurov | lol no assbot? "Biomolecular Information Processing: From Logic Systems to Smart Sensors and Actuators" | [01:51] |
jurov | my fb pals assert biotech ca solve 100000point travelling salesman | [01:51] |
jurov | and some other problems with lower energy than silicon | [01:51] |
kakobrekla | there was some ted talk on this topic | [01:52] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: even without biotech... http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-06-2014#713296 | [01:52] |
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jurov | https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10203872284782896&fref=nf | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | for my curiosity, anyone know rochester ? | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i still think wetware comes before quantum, so there. | [02:02] |
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* | asciilifeform can hardly think of a less suitable wetware application than btc mining | [02:04] |
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kakobrekla | i suspekt wetware is going to stay emulated for a long long time | [02:06] |
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asciilifeform | http://cryptome.org/2014/09/vor-liquidation.htm << mega-lol! | [02:07] |
asciilifeform | '...a secret goal of the Rockefeller family, one of the chief financiers of the plan, to own an apartment overlooking the Kremlin and Red Square...' | [02:07] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla you know, after the first steam machines were introduced in the 1800s, people saw that horses and oxen are replaced, but believed the intelligent movement of man will remain emulated for a long long time | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | by 1900 they had sewing machines. | [02:11] |
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asciilifeform | eh, tech was actually happening then. | [02:12] |
chetty | http://mashable.com/2014/09/11/iceland-bardabunga-volcano-eruption-photos/ | [02:12] |
assbot | 11 Photos of Iceland's Bardarbunga Volcano Erupting That Are Just Unreal | [02:12] |
jurov | who knows, C compiler for wetware may be months away | [02:12] |
jurov | to ascii's delight | [02:12] |
asciilifeform | jurov: first, multiply, e.g, 5 x 7 with 'wetware' and get a reliable answer. | [02:12] |
jurov | the google book i linked has bool logic gates | [02:13] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: ever culture an organism ? | [02:14] |
jurov | yes? | [02:14] |
asciilifeform | how long did the colony live ? | [02:15] |
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kakobrekla | ever heard of head jars dude | [02:16] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform you know it's a bad habit to state the problem thus. | [02:16] |
jurov | they aren't using whole cells | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | it's a subset of the "first, one nail" approach | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | suppose i don't multiply 5 x 7, but i do a fft over a large domain. | [02:17] |
asciilifeform | kakobrekla: http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTM4MTAyNTk1OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTYwOTA4Njc3._V1_SX640_SY720_.jpg << these ? | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | "close enough" | [02:17] |
kakobrekla | asciilifeform correct. only the bubblers are missing. | [02:17] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: good example. but, not only must accept 'close enough', but go and try to get the answer out with reasonable speed. | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform do you readily know the volume of "silicone" computation that goes by in the average cell ? | [02:18] |
kakobrekla | reasonable speed for '100000point travelling salesman' problem ? | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | it's immense. | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | just folding proteins is a massive task. | [02:18] |
asciilifeform | you'd probably want to make use of, e.g, luciferase | [02:18] |
asciilifeform | and camera. | [02:18] |
mircea_popescu | you're just an opticomputer fanboy arentcha :D | [02:18] |
asciilifeform | so, for those who don't know, there are two basic ways of 'folding' a protein (that is, in physical reality it folds, but you want to know its structure) | [02:19] |
asciilifeform | one - approximate solution of shrodinger's equation for the system of protein-cum-solution | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | ^ | [02:20] |
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asciilifeform | two - xray crystallography | [02:20] |
asciilifeform | to every n00b's surprise - the cost is roughly similar. | [02:20] |
asciilifeform | (2) gives a result more in line with reality, and so tends to be favoured unless there is something exotic about the system (weird ligand, perverse conditions otherwise, whatever) | [02:21] |
asciilifeform | now, think about why (2) costs roughly same as (1). | [02:21] |
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asciilifeform | why even bring this up: the 'answer' - physical structure of properly folded protein - is 'computed' instantly. | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | now, getting the answer out in a usable form... | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | takes about a year of skilled labour. | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | "instantly". not quite | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | but yes. | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | http://www.loper-os.org/?p=25 << me derping about roughly this, in '08. | [02:23] |
assbot | Loper OS » How Much Computation Does the Universe Perform? | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | the question is more like, suppose i give you piles of C N H O etc molar equivalent to the contents of a live creature, | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | and a list of what molecules it contains | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | your task being to fold the shit together. | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | this, in an ideal way, suppose you have Ontologizer, which makes be whatever molecular structure you describe. | [02:24] |
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jurov | that description would be *very* hefty | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | quite. | [02:36] |
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mircea_popescu | the archetypal "rather than explain your job to you i'd rather just do it" | [02:36] |
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jurov | question here was the other way, can wetware do turing stuff effectively? | [02:41] |
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asciilifeform | jurov: turing's apparatus is not even a particularly good abstraction for electric computer. much less 'wet' kind. | [02:43] |
kakobrekla | thats why they go the ibm synapse cpu way | [02:44] |
kakobrekla | i mean the read off | [02:44] |
kakobrekla | which is emulation basically | [02:44] |
jurov | "nah it cnat reliably multiply 5*7" | [02:46] |
* | asciilifeform is actually rather fond of analogue computing as a concept, and as it once existed, but has yet to meet a 'meatware' proposal that isn't transparently grantsmanship. | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | jurov perhaps more a "Can shit we need done be phrased such that wetware can do it better than the turing machine" | [02:47] |
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mircea_popescu | and for all the error-fiends : you can't correctly represent decimal numbers in computers today, it doesn't stop anyone from derping on the pretense computers are ideal machines. | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | error is never going to stop anything. | [02:48] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: actually plenty of folks use 'rational arithmetic' systems that don't touch the ieee/flop cpu circuits | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | still. | [02:49] |
asciilifeform | and actually represent, e.g, 1/3 as a 1, a /, and a 3; sqrt(2) as a root and a two of it, etc | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | i don't need everyone to be an idiot, i just need a few to make my case. | [02:50] |
asciilifeform | lol | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | :) | [02:50] |
* | asciilifeform when went to school they still made us remember the breakage cases in various float representations extant | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | me too o.O | [02:50] |
jurov | me too | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | /r/matrixglitch | [02:53] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;google tufuzula | [03:34] |
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gribble | No matches found. | [03:34] |
mircea_popescu | orly. | [03:34] |
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penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/ | [03:50] |
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mircea_popescu | "i feel like a fart" "offensive ?" "inspired." | [04:02] |
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thestringpuller | ls | [04:25] |
thestringpuller | ;;google bitstamp withdrawals suspended | [04:25] |
gribble | Bitcoin withdrawal processing suspended - Bitstamp: |
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thestringpuller | ;;more | [04:25] |
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mircea_popescu | lol | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | ah autumn | [04:27] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller wait is this new ? or just the feb thing ? | [04:40] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 720 @ 0.00167939 = 1.2092 BTC [-] {4} | [05:50] |
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TomServo | 0,w_636/18mkjam2vb6sajpg.jpg | [06:07] |
TomServo | whups | [06:08] |
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Vexual | msg nickerv setpassword dog | [06:10] |
Vexual | whups | [06:11] |
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Vexual | mircea_popescu great dissection of some great writing, i would think tho, that the our in our happiness refers not to the individual, but the collective man as a beast | [06:15] |
Vexual | think peter fonda deciding to get loaded | [06:15] |
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decimation | asciilifeform: re: analogue computing << this is essentially what rf circuitry is doing. the general fad these days is to move all of this computation to the conventional binary machinery | [06:23] |
Vexual | wait, was i supposed to think that? oshit | [06:25] |
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mircea_popescu | Vexual maybe., | [06:42] |
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aabtc | aegis agamemnon23 agorecki AlexWkz AndrewJackson Anduck Apocalyptic arij artifexd asciilifeform assbot atcbot Azelphur | [06:43] |
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chalbersma | Mircea. I have the p2pool server ready for testing. | [06:44] |
mircea_popescu | X-Rob you there ? | [06:45] |
chalbersma | I do however need a link to use for the contact tab. Right now it redirects to me blog. | [06:45] |
chalbersma | I can redirect to ATC homepage. | [06:45] |
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mircea_popescu | actually redirect it to here is prolly best | [06:47] |
mircea_popescu | what are pool details again ? | [06:48] |
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mircea_popescu | o wait, gotta make an account or something first right ? | [06:48] |
Vexual | yeah dumb it down, i never p2pd | [06:48] |
chalbersma | It's p2pool | [06:48] |
chalbersma | So use 104.131.60.126:8559 for the server | [06:49] |
chalbersma | Your ATC address for the Username | [06:49] |
chalbersma | and anything you'd like for the password | [06:49] |
chalbersma | The web interface is available for viewing at http://104.131.60.126:8559/static/ | [06:49] |
assbot | P2Pool | [06:49] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell X-Rob 104.131.60.126:8559 use bingo's address as before. | [06:50] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [06:50] |
Vexual | do you recommend or unrecommend any hardware? | [06:50] |
chalbersma | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/P2Pool#Interoperability_table The code is 90% the same. But most things should work all right. | [06:51] |
assbot | P2Pool - Bitcoin | [06:51] |
chalbersma | I haven't had any problems with P2pool yet. | [06:55] |
Vexual | chalbersma: it arrives in the wallet freshly minted yes? | [06:56] |
chalbersma | Yep when the block is solved it's split evenly among the shares. | [06:56] |
chalbersma | Here's an example of what the blocks look like when solved. https://blockchain.info/block-index/463628/0000000000000000149ef417868a4d9d3ed40bedbf9383ceb708ceb28fbfdd8c | [06:57] |
assbot | Bitcoin Block #320583 | [06:57] |
Vexual | you should add atc donations | [06:59] |
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Vexual | oh thats not yors? | [07:01] |
chalbersma | No it's the creator of the interface. I lifted the default one for one that was more useful. | [07:01] |
Vexual | fuck the terms, this is altcoin | [07:02] |
chalbersma | Hmm? What did I miss? | [07:04] |
Vexual | donations should go to you | [07:07] |
chalbersma | I'll give it a change. | [07:08] |
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Vexual | within the terms | [07:14] |
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Vexual | yay atc | [07:21] |
Vexual | you put your own bc addy too | [07:22] |
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chalbersma | Yep | [07:23] |
chalbersma | Gotta respect the king of coins. | [07:23] |
Vexual | standard | [07:24] |
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Vexual | so you gonna send some atc to the p2pool devs then? | [07:37] |
Vexual | i wouldn't bother, let them ask for it | [07:42] |
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TheNewDeal | hows the assets doing tonight | [08:04] |
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bounce | so you have like 50/50 male to female and them wimminses end up all perpetually repressed. and it's all those pesky heterosexual wimminses that aren't fixing it. so it'll have to be us lesbians. and we're going to do it with violence. lots of violence. only one out of every ten men survives! | [15:15] |
bounce | what is there to rant about? "good luck with that" and that's all she wrote. | [15:16] |
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mircea_popescu | bounce wait wut ? | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | lesbian chicks would like a little manhandling and dunno how to ask properly ? what else is new. | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | i guess i forgot the quotes. "lesbian" chicks. | [15:17] |
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mircea_popescu | jdanks so what is this valley ? | [15:19] |
mircea_popescu | RagnarDanneskjol: if mp buys an Island, I might move there << why an island dood. so idiots can try and blocade it all the time ? arent ddoses enough for you ? | [15:20] |
RagnarDanneskjol | ha - good point. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | jdanks: Well, I are engineer. I no talk good. But I math well. So I'd like to be let known if someone is crazy enough to start a town (; << ok so if you math well you must think good. what is the advantage of trying to implement irl a planet of hats ? it's a device of fiction, borne out of insufficiency of resources. here's your must-read: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlanetOfHats | [15:21] |
assbot | Main/Planet of Hats - Television Tropes & Idioms | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | On their Wagon Train to the Stars, our intrepid heroes come across a planet with a single defining characteristic. Everybody is a robot, or a gangster, or a Proud Warrior Race Guy, or an over-the-top actor, or wearing a Nice Hat. To some degree, this is unavoidable; you only have so much screen time or page space to develop and explore a culture. This is especially true in episodic series where the heroes travel to a n | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | ew planet each week and you have to both introduce a planet and tell a story all within a single episode. | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | that. | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | jurov oh chetty is stirring up trouble i see :D | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | chetty: jurov, well the premise probably not but the goal I suspect he would approve of << not really. i don't mind the bulk of male derpitude, just as long as my women insulate me from it. actual extermination tho is an iffy proposition, you'd end up with a huge bulk of marginal and nul women with nothing to occupy them. best not alter nature's balances. | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen princessnell | [15:24] |
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mircea_popescu | hm, don't tell me she went underground to learn armenian or something. | [15:24] |
jurov | guess it was implied the marginal women turn to lesbians :D | [15:27] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah because the authors are idiots. | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | instead of joining the harem of a dominant male as slaves and enjoy all the concha they can eat, they derp about as independent shegoats, imagining that they can ever score anything this way. as motherfucking if. | [15:30] |
BananaLotus | Belsage ben_vulp` bettycla1p bgupta BigBitz bitspill_ blast bounce | [15:36] |
mircea_popescu | ;;seen boolcrap | [15:36] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;seen b00lcrap | [15:37] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: dollars to doughnuts, herr b00lcrap is digging some vegetable out of the ground even as we speak. | [16:11] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2014/i-love-rochester-so-will-you/#comment-107726 << someone was mean to me! | [16:12] |
mircea_popescu | and they speak russian! | [16:12] |
assbot | I love Rochester. So will you. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. | [16:12] |
asciilifeform | lol yeah saw | [16:12] |
mircea_popescu | HOW DARES THEY!!1 | [16:12] |
mircea_popescu | i have not come to this internet for people to be mean to me! | [16:13] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: ahaha, i've a shitfest from... '09. still going strong. ( http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766 etc ) | [16:13] |
assbot | Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure | [16:14] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform other than cooking pork fat on burning coran pages, i once said that all old romanian people are scum for having been willing and eager commie sluts. | [16:14] |
mircea_popescu | the resulting flame covered like 800 comments or some shit. | [16:14] |
asciilifeform | good times. | [16:16] |
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jurov | ;;later tell ThickAsThieves https://www.poloniex.com/coinRequest try adding ATC here? | [16:37] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [16:37] |
assbot | Poloniex - Bitcoin/Cryptocurrency Exchange - Coin Request | [16:37] |
mircea_popescu | modern fucking browser, has autocorrect. doesn't think phosgene is a word, doesn't think any latin is a word, even common expressions, i do more correcting of it than it does correcting of me | [16:37] |
mircea_popescu | fucking modern technology of chickenheads. | [16:37] |
asciilifeform | lol! | [16:38] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: if you're about to explain 'ignis fatuus', the popular theory involves phosphine - not phosgene. | [16:38] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform nope im discussing cunts. | [16:39] |
asciilifeform | ahaha | [16:39] |
jurov | hue | [16:39] |
danielpbarron | mircea_popescu, no report this week, and it's unlikely i'll have time to make any posts over the next couple months; will resume around december | [16:39] |
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mircea_popescu | danielpbarron aite. | [16:40] |
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jurov | !up ThickAsThieves | [17:02] |
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ThickAsThieves | just popping in to say i was reading logs and submitted ATC to poloneieixiuex | [17:03] |
ThickAsThieves | did a decent write-up so we'll see | [17:03] |
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ThickAsThieves | please go vote for it when it shows up, i'll notify when of they notify me, but they didnt ask for contact info sooo | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | dja need an account ? | [17:04] |
ThickAsThieves | nope | [17:04] |
jurov | for voting, yes. with 10 trades. | [17:04] |
mircea_popescu | aite ima click teh link off all my ips lol | [17:04] |
mircea_popescu | o rly ? | [17:04] |
jurov | rly | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | well then nm. | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | fwiw i have blacklisted cryptsy, if anyone cares what i think | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | they pulled some shenanigans when i was withdrawing | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | i had no idea it was on anyone's whitelist | [17:05] |
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ThickAsThieves | worked out in the end but they were retarded about it | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | i dont think it was | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | but just adding fuel to the flame i guess | [17:05] |
jurov | cryptsy ==== poloniex? | [17:05] |
ThickAsThieves | no idea | [17:06] |
ThickAsThieves | wouldnt be surprised if several alt ex were same owners | [17:06] |
chetty | http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/world-s-first-three-dimensional-printed-car-made-in-chicago/ | [17:07] |
assbot | World's First Three-Dimensional Printed Car Made in Chicago - Scientific American | [17:07] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;estimate | [17:08] |
gribble | Next difficulty estimate | 34005658695.3 based on data since last change | 33097603975.5 based on data for last three days | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;isup bitbet.us | [17:08] |
gribble | bitbet.us is up | [17:08] |
ThickAsThieves | not loading for me tho | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | wow they made a car ? | [17:08] |
asciilifeform | chetty: try print so much as a nut from - the engine. | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves i see it. | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | can you try diff connection ? | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i suppose modern cars are all practically printed anyway | [17:09] |
asciilifeform | plastic, yes | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [17:09] |
ThickAsThieves | mp it loads via my cellular connection | [17:10] |
asciilifeform | but 'printing' is a uniquely inefficient way to shape plastic. it is justified for prototype, usually - would not want to manufacture en masse this way. | [17:10] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this is very true. same could be said of plastics themselves tho, early on | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | when they were very shitty wood | [17:11] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves ah hum, maybe your ip range got banned in ddos mitigation. | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | we had some trbl yest. | [17:12] |
jurov | http://oglaf.com/humans/ lul | [17:12] |
assbot | Humans! | [17:12] |
mircea_popescu | ah cool, this goes jus' fine with my reddit piece. | [17:14] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/buenos-aires-bdsm-la-casona-del-sado-aka-faker-house/ | [17:15] |
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asciilifeform | from the loltron: http://cryptome.org/2014/09/nsa-treasure-map-der-spiegel-14-0914.pdf | [17:27] |
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mircea_popescu | allow me to dump some nonsense for ready future reference. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | Enslaved by male-identification and years of practice within the system as we all still are to one degree or another, the assumption must be that the present system of monopoly capitalism and patriarchy must be replaced and that non-male-identified women must be the responsible ones. . . . | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | At least three further requirements supplement the strategies of environmentalists if we are to create and preserve a less violent world. I) Every culture must begin to affirm a female future. II) Species responsibility must be returned to women in every culture. III) The proportion of men must be reduced to and maintained at approximately 10% of the human race. . . . | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | To return species responsibility to women means in very practical terms that erotic and reproductive initiative must be restored to women all over the globe. . . . | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | Make the decision entirely that of the woman as to how she will be impregnated and how often, if indeed she chooses to be so at all, and whether by heterosexual intercourse, artificial insemination or a form of ovular merging. Restore to each woman the inalienable right to say what shall become of any fertilized egg and to control absolutely the number of children she wishes to emerge from her body. . . . Make nonexist | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | ent any male’s say-so in the process of reproduction. Create and protect alternative structures of economic and psychological support for independent women — women not attached to men — who are child-bearers and child-raisers. . . . | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | Women will bear the number of children they know can be sustained not just by their own social group but by the wide ecological system. They will not bear the children that some man wants only to perpetuate his name or the family possession of his property; they will not bear the children they presently convince themselves they must have because their only role is obedient wife and mother; women will not have the child | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | ren men think are necessary to perpetuate the tribe or the religion or the specific culture. Instead they will bear the children that they want, that they can care for, and that they assess are needed by the specific group and the entire species. . . . | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | In every culture it must be women in charge of the changes: women-identified women, no women who are pawns of men, not women who out of their fear of losing their lives or those of their children, still hold to the securities of that dangerous patriarchal culture, but women utterly free of coercion, free of male influence and committed to the principle that the right of species regulation is their own, and not the prer | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | ogative of any man. I suggest that lesbians and other independent women are already moving in this direction. . . . | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | To secure a world of female values and female freedom we must, I believe, add one more element to the structure of the future: the ratio of men to women must be radically reduced so that men approximate only ten percent of the total population. . . . | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | We now come to a critical point: how is such a reduction in the male population to take place? One option is of course male infanticide. It differs very little from the female infanticide that has apparently been carried out even into the twentieth century by some cultures. Such an alternative is clearly distasteful and would not constitute creative social change. . . . | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | [I]f women are given the freedom of their bodies then they may well choose [experimental "ovular merging" technology that produces only female embryos] in great enough numbers to make a significant difference in the sex ratio of women to men. A 75% female to 25% male ratio could be achieved in one generation if one-half of a population reproduced heterosexually and one-half by ovular merging. | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | Such a prospect is attractive to women who feel that if they bear sons no amount of love and care and nonsexist training will save those sons from a culture where male violence is institutionalized and revered. These are women saying, “No more sons. We will not spend twenty years of our lives raising a potential rapist, a potential batterer, a potential Big Man.” | [17:59] |
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mircea_popescu | so there you have it, perfectly good reason to oppose libertard environmentalism, along with the rest of women-studies driven libertardism. | [18:00] |
jurov | ha, chetty knows you | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | the future, if there is one, is happy identification as slaves for the people who are, for very good reason, exactly that. | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | none of this bullcrap. | [18:00] |
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mircea_popescu | happiness comes out of accepting one's condition, not of pretending pigs fly and similar nonsense. | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | at least we clearly know where we stand. | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | jurov indeed. | [18:04] |
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chetty | Let me point out that as woman I think the author of that piece is totally insane. | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | this derpage is so delicious lol. olg hags clinging to a social relevancy and political influence they never had and never will have. derp on, sisters! | [18:05] |
mircea_popescu | chetty just a little misguided, imo. she perceives the problem correctly, there's too many idiots. | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | the solutions she comes up with all stem from her unwarranted premise that she's a whole and complete being. | [18:06] |
chetty | the current habit in some cultures of aborting the majority of female children is equally insane | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i for one am muchly in favour of california and perhaps the entire us applying this novel thinking. for one thing, it's too expensive to find out what exactly the drawbacks of this ovular merging thing are other than by using voluntary subjects. | [18:07] |
mircea_popescu | chetty simple way to beg for war is all. | [18:08] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, "author and activist" is becoming the new "singer-songwriter", which is what elevator girls became after waitress-and-model went out of fashion with greenwich village | [18:09] |
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mircea_popescu | chetty to be honest, i think the only thing that's getting exterminated on the short and maybe medium term is your style of reasonable, golden middle sanity. | [18:10] |
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mircea_popescu | ain't nobody got time for that. not no more. | [18:11] |
mircea_popescu | course they'll live to regret it, but on the plus side, not so very many of them. | [18:11] |
chetty | hmm humans live longer, we have all these modern things to reduce work and yet we dont have time. I admit that one confounds me. | [18:12] |
mircea_popescu | time is a psychological phenomenon. | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | roughly speaking, the time the subject perceives he has is a scalar computed as a function of the interruptions count in their brain. | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | the more often conscience flows get interrupted, the less subjective time is had. | [18:13] |
mircea_popescu | simple musical verification of this : all military marches are short musical phrases with a lot of percution and a lot of short measures. all dirges are the opposite. | [18:14] |
chetty | haha first really good reason I have heard for population reduction, more funerals | [18:17] |
mircea_popescu | lol yup | [18:18] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i don't believe population reduction is currently a controversial topic, or ever was during the past century or two. clearly there are much to many people around, and the marginal advantage of exploring the space of possibilities slightly better isn't worth the hassle. | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | i don't care that having a billion instead of a million people alive means the prettiest girl is 0.675% prettier. | [18:19] |
mircea_popescu | the only bitch with all of this is nimby, but otherwise it's quite well established a point of theory as well as practice, that the people herd needs to be thinned out. | [18:20] |
chetty | that depends a lot on the basis of the thinning | [18:22] |
penguirker | New blog post: http://contravex.com/2014/09/14/peter-diamandis-is-a-lab-modified-organism/ | [18:22] |
mircea_popescu | well sure, tis where the controversy starts | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | so far the solution seems to be a fertility drop | [18:23] |
mircea_popescu | which you know, will do it. if the average woman has 0.005 children in her lifetime for a generation, the population will go from 10bn to 10mn in that timeframe. | [18:23] |
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chetty | interesting that the fertility drop is in pretty definable populations, and modern science is often overcoming it to some degree. | [18:27] |
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mircea_popescu | no i mean fertility as a behaviour. measured strictly as "headcount of children per woman" | [18:31] |
chetty | still definable by population groups | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | true, yes. | [18:32] |
mircea_popescu | some groups still have space. but once they "arrive" their fertility drops as well. | [18:32] |
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chetty | space may be a bit misleading there ... | [18:33] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. psychogenic space. | [18:33] |
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bounce | well, it's a space, so you can probably both do calculus on it and hire interior designers for it. now, which to prefer? choices, choices. | [18:55] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [18:56] |
mircea_popescu | interior designers for one's headspace, that's a thought | [18:56] |
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chetty | [18:58] | |
mircea_popescu | more like pundits | [18:59] |
bounce | not supposed to do lasting damage. "teaching" religion, however... | [19:01] |
mircea_popescu | there;s no such thing as lasting damage. | [19:02] |
mircea_popescu | if it's lasting it ain't damage. | [19:02] |
chetty | well actually first got to define damage .. | [19:04] |
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asciilifeform | anyone else here reads 'headspace' and immediately thinks of small arms? (BingoBoingo perhaps ?) | [19:20] |
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mircea_popescu | it's a bdsm term really. | [19:27] |
* | asciilifeform guesses - analogous to 'flow state' | [19:28] |
mircea_popescu | also, here's boxxy, if anyone still cares. http://cean.us/pr0n/src/140962404149.jpg | [19:28] |
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mircea_popescu | http://cean.us/pr0n/src/140962451788.jpg << also wtf is with these dudes touching the women like they're porcelain and they're live in fear of being kicked out any moment now. | [19:31] |
asciilifeform | live in fear << quite possibly that they actually do | [19:31] |
mircea_popescu | sad. | [19:32] |
asciilifeform | what wouldyahavethemdo? 'jump up twenty metres & scatter yourself around' ? | [19:33] |
mircea_popescu | yes. | [19:34] |
mircea_popescu | http://cean.us/pr0n/src/140962524042.jpg << she's just as cute candid as on screen who knew | [19:34] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: twenty metres: 'И вот нас вызывают, / В особый наш отдел. / Скажи, а почему ты, / Вместе с танком не сгорел. / Вы меня простите, / Я им говорю. / В следующей атаке, Обязательно сгорю.' | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | dude this "whatever i can get" is for jewish boys already. | [19:37] |
mircea_popescu | you take. | [19:37] |
asciilifeform | take what, from who? | [19:40] |
asciilifeform | might say the lion in the zoo... | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | fucking bars of the cage. | [19:42] |
* | asciilifeform recommends 'the human zoo' (d. morris) - imho, canonical work on the subject. | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://cean.us/pr0n/src/14096270459.jpg << random anon cutie. do you know who she is ? | [19:42] |
asciilifeform | vampire ? | [19:42] |
mircea_popescu | no idea lol | [19:43] |
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asciilifeform | !up mats_cd03 | [19:54] |
asciilifeform | arsebot dead again ? | [19:54] |
mircea_popescu | paging kakobrekla assbot is in er | [19:54] |
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mircea_popescu | so i just accidentally constructed a natural oscillator which i do not comprehend. | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | to reproduce : take pet bottle with gaseous liquid (i used some very carbonated mineral water), and while still sealed, beat to shit against a countertop or some other such. | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | then, open the cap ever so slightly. watch as the gas goes out and the thing depressurizes, then the bubble hail forms and it repressurizes then depressurizes and again and again | [20:13] |
mircea_popescu | i got 6 oscillations and i could even feel it on the bottle itself holding it. | [20:13] |
mircea_popescu | wtf ? | [20:13] |
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kakobrekla | nah | [20:25] |
kakobrekla | just the valve needs more energy to fail than to sustain fail | [20:25] |
mircea_popescu | oh | [20:26] |
mircea_popescu | yeah that makes sense | [20:26] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: co2 goes in and then out of solution. | [20:28] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform i think kakobrekla has it. the cap is an de facto valve. under high pressure its seal fails, as presusre drops it collapses and seals again, which builds pressure again etc | [20:29] |
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asciilifeform | aha cap yes. | [20:30] |
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mircea_popescu | course i still wonder what causes the bubble hail. | [20:32] |
asciilifeform | bubble << pressure drops, co2 comes out of solution | [20:32] |
mircea_popescu | ah simultaneous with the reseal | [20:33] |
mircea_popescu | pretty interesting party trick this | [20:33] |
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kakobrekla | needs quite fine tuning | [20:34] |
mircea_popescu | its realyl not hard to do, i did it on 2/2 bottles i tried | [20:34] |
kakobrekla | mebbe you are a fine tuner | [20:35] |
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chetty | interesting habit you got there, " beat to shit against a countertop" | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | ahem. FINELY TUNED beat to shit. | [20:36] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.lnx.ro/2014/07/31/sdn/ << today's lulz, among many others : sdn! | [20:45] |
assbot | SDN | I see dropped packets | [20:45] |
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ben_vulpes | engineer automates a thing, does not get those hours back but instead firm can now build things faster and charge less than the competition for better quality work. | [20:54] |
chetty | ben_vulpes, pfftt, takes as long or longer to setup and clean food processor than to just mince the garlic | [20:55] |
ben_vulpes | garlic and the onions and the carrots and... | [20:55] |
ben_vulpes | amortize setup across multiple runs | [20:55] |
ben_vulpes | sheesh chetty this is frosh grade "lean" engineering :P | [20:56] |
chetty | I bet I can prep a meal faster by hand than with a silly gadget | [20:56] |
ben_vulpes | a meal certainly | [20:57] |
chetty | and I am a grand cook too | [20:58] |
ben_vulpes | i'm no expert, i just know what i've seen. | [20:58] |
ben_vulpes | both in the kitchen and on the line. | [20:58] |
mircea_popescu | chetty you also don't make finger salad. | [20:59] |
ben_vulpes | out on the line i heard the same routine: "i can muscle these castings onto the fixture faster than any robot!"" | [20:59] |
chetty | well I can see it for mass production but in a home kitchen its silly unless you are feeding an army of children | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | what children, nobody's got time for that. | [20:59] |
ben_vulpes | irc tho... | [21:00] |
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ben_vulpes | food processor's retarded, but do you use a mandolin, chetty? | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | romanian 4rd army (transylvania) used to serve basically two types of food. either cluj cabbage (layers of ground pork and cut cabbage cooked in a large pot for 2 hours) or porked potatoes (same thing) | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | they used half ton vats to cook the stuff. potatoes cleanned and cut by hand | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | cabbage idem. | [21:01] |
ben_vulpes | typical labor surplus behavior | [21:01] |
chetty | ben_vulpes, nope, good knife is all anyone really needs, well sharpened of course | [21:01] |
mircea_popescu | ben_vulpes quite. | [21:02] |
ben_vulpes | i'm going to do all sorts of stupid shit when i have a labor surplus. | [21:03] |
mircea_popescu | bellydancing university ? | [21:06] |
ben_vulpes | finishing school but same diff | [21:10] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2750 @ 0.00064999 = 1.7875 BTC [-] {2} | [21:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82438 @ 0.00075531 = 62.2662 BTC [+] {6} | [21:17] |
mircea_popescu | wtf is with all the half price x.eur bids. | [21:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51011 @ 0.00075849 = 38.6913 BTC [+] {4} | [21:18] |
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-mist- | [Global Notice] Reminder - This weekend freenode staff identified some compromised binaries present on a number of servers in the network. These servers have been taken offline. Since password-sniffing may have taken place, we advise all users to change their passwords. /msg nickserv set password newpasshere. More information will follow later in the week. http://blog.freenode.net/2014/09/server-issues-2/ | [22:09] |
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-mist- | [Global Notice] Please note - this is not a new issue, just another notice of the same issue from the weekend. If you already changed your password following the previous announcement you do not need to change it again. Sorry for any confusion. | [22:14] |
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peterl | quiet today. | [22:20] |
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peterl | hi? | [22:41] |
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nubbins` | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/bitcoin-mining-company-fully-vindicated-after-expiry-of-cease-trade-order-1.2765131 | [22:42] |
assbot | Bitcoin mining company 'fully vindicated' after expiry of cease trade order - Saskatoon - CBC News | [22:43] |
nubbins` | background info: | [22:43] |
nubbins` | http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/dominion-bitcoin-mining-hit-with-cease-trade-order-1.2633904 | [22:43] |
assbot | Dominion Bitcoin Mining hit with cease-trade order - Saskatchewan - CBC News | [22:43] |
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X-Rob | Tell me, assbot | [22:43] |
X-Rob | Oh | [22:44] |
X-Rob | it was gribble anyway | [22:44] |
peterl | mixing up your bots? | [22:44] |
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X-Rob | I'm easily confused. | [22:46] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.1888033 = 1.1328 BTC [+] {4} | [22:47] |
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X-Rob | chalbersma: | [22:49] |
X-Rob | Pool is asking for a hard restart every 2 seconds | [22:49] |
X-Rob | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/8txtSMty | [22:50] |
assbot | Pastebin: 8txtSMty | IRCCloud | [22:50] |
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peterl | What brings you to #bitcoin-assets? | [23:05] |
mircea_popescu | X-Rob what do you figure is the prlblem ? | [23:05] |
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X-Rob | mircea_popescu: I don't know. The pool shouldn't be requesting a hard reset that often. It means that the pool thinks the block time is 20 seconds-ish. | [23:07] |
X-Rob | This is when ASICs suck compared to old GPU or CPU hardware, as they need extra time to reset and reconfigure | [23:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4415 @ 0.0007602 = 3.3563 BTC [+] | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | aha | [23:19] |
n6 | nam-shub Namworld nanotube nezZario nick1234abcd__ NormDePloome nullB | [23:28] |
n6 | nam-shub Namworld nanotube nezZario nick1234abcd__ NormDePloome nullB | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | ;;nubbins` not an expert on vindication but expiration may as well mean neglect or w/e | [23:29] |
gribble | Error: "nubbins`" is not a valid command. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | ;;later tell nubbins` not an expert on vindication but expiration may as well mean neglect or w/e | [23:29] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [23:29] |
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chalbersma | X-Rob Can I get you to point some hashing power there for a bit. Let's see if I can see what the issue is. | [23:30] |
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X-Rob | chalbersma: no problems | [23:34] |
X-Rob | fitiring now | [23:34] |
chalbersma | Thanks! | [23:34] |
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X-Rob | chalbersma: you should be using the standard p2pool build, with just the magic changed and the ports. | [23:35] |
chalbersma | That's basically all I've changed (in addition to adding the extra web interface bits. | [23:35] |
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X-Rob | I have no idea why it's asking for a full reset every couple of seconds. | [23:36] |
X-Rob | it should be once every minute 8- | [23:36] |
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chalbersma | I imagine it has to do with the changing hashrate. | [23:36] |
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X-Rob | No, p2pool doesn't work like that. | [23:36] |
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chalbersma | !up RagnarsBitch | [23:39] |
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RagnarsBitch | Yes, rob. There needs to be more than one miner on the network otherwise this issue will persist | [23:39] |
RagnarsBitch | I have a ton of experience with this | [23:39] |
chalbersma | Can you try setting a manual difficulty? I believe they added that feature to p2pool recently to improve stability. Let me look up the formatting on how to do it. | [23:39] |
RagnarsBitch | If anyone in here has an asic miner they can spare, please point it at the pool for 24 hours so this can get sorted out | [23:42] |
RagnarsBitch | What's the address again chalbersma? | [23:42] |
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chalbersma | http://104.131.60.126:8559/ | [23:43] |
RagnarsBitch | Thank | [23:43] |
chalbersma | np | [23:43] |
X-Rob | RagnarsBitch: What does the number of miners have to do with it? The share value is calculated based on the hash rate aimed at the pool. | [23:44] |
X-Rob | Although | [23:44] |
X-Rob | it appears that thepool just died. | [23:44] |
X-Rob | uh | [23:44] |
X-Rob | aimed at /the p2pool network/ sorry | [23:44] |
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X-Rob | chalbersma: The miner is set up with that pool as priority one | [23:47] |
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RagnarsBitch | It has to do with packet loss and pools not being designed for just a single miner. I know I've had these same issues anytime just one miner is active on a pool , then resolves as soon as a couple more come online | [23:47] |
X-Rob | Uh, no. | [23:49] |
X-Rob | I don't think you understand the problem. | [23:49] |
RagnarsBitch | Sure that is possible | [23:50] |
X-Rob | No, it's not. | [23:50] |
X-Rob | Oh | [23:50] |
X-Rob | You not understanding is possible 8) | [23:50] |
X-Rob | Yes. | [23:50] |
RagnarsBitch | Easy there rob | [23:51] |
chetty | http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/14/6147887/stellar-discovers-gchq-surveillance-documentary | [23:51] |
assbot | This is what it's like to find out the government hacked your business | The Verge | [23:52] |
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X-Rob | RagnarsBitch: wait, I do apologise. I was saying 'packet loss is not possibe'. | [23:53] |
X-Rob | but that pool is barely reachable | [23:53] |
X-Rob | so, yes, packet loss is one isse | [23:53] |
RagnarsBitch | Ok. Describe barely reachable..digi ocean says its been up the whole time | [23:54] |
X-Rob | I am trying to connect to the p2pool port to see what the share value is | [23:55] |
X-Rob | and it's just hanging | [23:55] |
X-Rob | then it just sent a connectionr eset | [23:55] |
RagnarsBitch | Right, you know p2pool is slow as molasses to show share value | [23:55] |
X-Rob | RagnarsBitch: that's also incorrect. | [23:56] |
X-Rob | but I'm not even getting the web page. | [23:56] |
RagnarsBitch | Hanging night be an issue, we'll see | [23:56] |
X-Rob | just said 'waiting' | [23:56] |
RagnarsBitch | Ok | [23:56] |
chalbersma | Taking a look at it. | [23:57] |
X-Rob | ok | [23:57] |
X-Rob | web just got better | [23:58] |
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RagnarsBitch | Geez rob. If you'd just built the pool like you said, we wouldn't be having this conversation | [23:58] |
RagnarsBitch | :) | [23:58] |
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