Forum logs for 14 Oct 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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BingoBoingo	Butchery https://imgur.com/a/HkSxc	[00:12]
assbot	Pinball LED vs Incandescent - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKA67O )	[00:12]
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BingoBoingo	Also, not quite news, but someone is finally trying decentralized mixer that's been planned since late 2012 at the latest http://bitcoin-p2pool.com/joinmarket_orderbook.html	[00:20]
assbot	JoinMarket Orderbook ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKAYt6 )	[00:20]
BingoBoingo	Also Binge eating disorder passes anorexia, schizophrenia, and epilepsy in direct mortality https://occupycorporatism.com/shocking-50-of-bariatric-surgery-patients-commit-suicide/	[00:21]
assbot	Shocking: 50% of Bariatric Surgery Patients Commit Suicide - Top US & World News \| Susanne PoselTop US & World News \| Susanne Posel ... ( http://bit.ly/1LKBabL )	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	lol	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	male bc huh.	[00:59]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Apparently male bc, is just liek woman bc, up the hormones	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	!up Duffer1	[01:10]
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BingoBoingo	Duffer1: No qntra submissions yet?	[01:11]
Duffer1	hola	[01:11]
Duffer1	there's a conspiracy afoot	[01:12]
Duffer1	nah i don't know what to write about	[01:12]
Duffer1	my iguanas are doing great, but it turns out they're both male so i'll have to re home one :(	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	Nah, make them gay.	[01:13]
BingoBoingo	It's what all the good schools do nao	[01:14]
Duffer1	might work if there were a lot more of them, but with just two they'll kill eachother	[01:14]
BingoBoingo	Or love each other... Gotta turn em gay.	[01:15]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Apparently the gold standard for male birth control nao is called Trenbolone	[01:15]
Duffer1	is that the nut glue?	[01:16]
BingoBoingo	Define "nut glue"	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	y no bone ?	[01:17]
Duffer1	the glue developed to be injected into the vas deferens and dissolved when reversal is wanted/needed	[01:17]
Duffer1	= nut glue	[01:17]
BingoBoingo	the glue developed to be injected into the vas deferens and dissolved when reversal is wanted/needed << Defo not that	[01:17]
Duffer1	ah	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	y no bone ? << Apparently boners are a major side effect	[01:18]
BingoBoingo	Just, why was this nevar discussed in pharmacy school even though all of its neighbors were	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	hm	[01:19]
Duffer1	anyone watch the first dem debate?	[01:21]
BingoBoingo	Nah, I value my sanity.	[01:22]
Duffer1	i skipped it but heard clinton vs webb went a lot like http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/P/PP/fark_PPd3uabFbb1Xq5lWHJeGsfO83es.gif?t=Ea84tJtZHJo0Br2TmyoVvg&f=1445227200	[01:22]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1G4olx3 )	[01:22]
BingoBoingo	But Webb is a much better sysadmin than Clitler	[01:22]
Duffer1	ha that's not a high bar :P	[01:23]
Duffer1	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gXhwv9_ZS0	[01:26]
assbot	Esbjorn Svensson Trio - Jazzwoche Burghausen Live (2004) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4oxMJ )	[01:26]
BingoBoingo	But she went to an "elite" school and married a future president!!!!!	[01:26]
Duffer1	^ what I'm currently chilling to vex	[01:26]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Apparently the freaks with super natural muscle were on to something, and that something was male birth control. I feel lied and cheated to.	[01:36]
BingoBoingo	Men had hormonal birth control first and the 1960's were a lie	[01:37]
*	BingoBoingo now wonders if all the real roid freaks jsut get neuticals and do their hormones IM	[01:39]
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BingoBoingo	!up Duffer1	[01:43]
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Duffer1	glad i remember how to do that	[01:46]
BingoBoingo	Well, You are initiated aren't you?	[01:46]
Duffer1	possibly?	[01:47]
BingoBoingo	Even if you lost money you will be remembered for that gut wrenching and emotionally moving takedown of Labcoin.	[01:47]
Duffer1	ah ya baptism by fire	[01:47]
Duffer1	do not recommend	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	This is like I'd like you to with you experience spot and write up some shit for qntra. You have the history to carry it	[01:49]
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Duffer1	alright, if i can think of an angle i'll submit something	[01:51]
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BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Cool, keep a look out. Gotta make those losses up somewhere.	[01:53]
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Duffer1	ah ya man that would be nice hehe	[02:03]
BingoBoingo	May take a while, but do you really want anyone trying to outdo your baptism by fire narrative?	[02:05]
Duffer1	i'd be impressed if they could find a way, who wants to read the story of the games losers?	[02:08]
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BingoBoingo	Who doesn't, far more to be learned than from the winners?	[02:09]
BingoBoingo	http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3086 << On Impotence	[02:09]
assbot	JL: ‘Thug Season’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7XfjA )	[02:09]
Duffer1	i dunno maybe you're right	[02:10]
Duffer1	vex https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7KXq6RJ0PA	[02:12]
assbot	Esbjörn Svensson Trio (Seven Days Of Falling/Elevation of Love) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K7XACE )	[02:12]
BingoBoingo	Also the entire Lafond life plan just shifted http://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=3087	[02:18]
assbot	JL: On the Downside ... ( http://bit.ly/1PflSm1 )	[02:18]
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Duffer1	interesting read	[02:24]
BingoBoingo	Duffer1: Try his older shit. Up until a couple weeks ago he wrote as though he were some sort of white ape from the Congo. This is a precipitous decline	[02:27]
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Duffer1	does he say what the injuries were that lead him to change? "2. Submission to the pigs is no longer an option. Any time I put myself at the mercy of a law officer this may result in me being jailed or imprisoned. These are options that, to me, are now infinitely less desirable than death by cop."	[02:29]
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BingoBoingo	Duffer1: He has a long chronicle of past injuries. This sudden decline is new though and he ofers no new injury. I may be a combination of age and the past injuries.	[02:32]
Duffer1	ah	[02:32]
BingoBoingo	There are pieces he has where he chronicals getting hit in the nuts more than any person should.	[02:34]
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BingoBoingo	Just remember everyone, if you sell out to Gawker Media they will treat you like trash until and past your natural death https://archive.is/wvcwZ	[02:57]
assbot	EAT SHIT, LEITCH! ... ( http://bit.ly/1NG2BKv )	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	Also, qntra has been at 800 posts for a few hours nao	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	800 posts, 1051 non-spam comments	[03:04]
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BingoBoingo	!up HeySteve	[03:19]
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BingoBoingo	!up tripleslash	[03:19]
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HeySteve	hey BingoBoingo	[03:30]
BingoBoingo	hey	[03:30]
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BingoBoingo	tard mode http://wptavern.com/jetpack-protect-blocks-brute-force-amplification-attacks	[04:10]
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wyrdmantis	hello asseters	[05:29]
wyrdmantis	to do gentoo correctly am i right with this: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib/ ?	[05:30]
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punkman	http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-videogames-are-saving-the-symphony-orchestra-1444696737	[05:49]
assbot	How Videogames Are Saving the Symphony Orchestra - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1G4Kr2o )	[05:49]
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jurov	wyrdmantis hw do you mean correctly? if you want hardened gentoo, this one is right	[07:22]
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punkman	http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-October/086429.html	[07:27]
assbot	[erlang-questions] Mnesia ... ( http://bit.ly/1VRAHQc )	[07:27]
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funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-10-2015#1297678 <-- your death is right over your left shoulder, waiting to tap you	[07:45]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2015 14:16:05; thestringpuller: for people with anxiety disorders: what works for you other than drugz?	[07:45]
funkenstein_	if you understand this you'll see there's no time to be anxious	[07:46]
funkenstein_	re: diesel thread, at one point i drove a friends retro-fitted diesel. retrofit consisted of an extra tank and a switch to select fuel line	[07:48]
funkenstein_	this enables one to get free fuel behind any chinese restaurant	[07:48]
funkenstein_	diesel engine runs on almost anything	[07:49]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=09-10-2015#1295232 <-- this one needs repeating.	[07:53]
assbot	Logged on 09-10-2015 01:49:22; mircea_popescu: the notion that people may read "newpspaers" made by people they don't know.	[07:53]
funkenstein_	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2007/11/one_of_these_things_is_a_straw.html <-- thanks for that one.	[07:58]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: One Of These Things Is A Straw Man, And The Other Is On Fire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLv7Uk )	[07:58]
funkenstein_	a good old lecture on the topic is "Dead doctors don't lie" - joel wallach	[08:00]
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funkenstein_	http://imgur.com/eEkkvSn from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2015#1296319	[08:20]
assbot	Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLycUp )	[08:20]
assbot	Logged on 11-10-2015 00:37:45; asciilifeform: http://www.demotix.com/news/5506846/police-destroys-37-tons-seized-drugs-chacarita-cemetery << oldie, re: the mega-graveyard	[08:20]
funkenstein_	pressed shitboard	[08:20]
funkenstein_	more news from people I don't know	[08:21]
funkenstein_	i'm not sure if this was the goal but at this point general USian populace won't believe there's a shooting until the bullets hit them directly	[08:25]
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punkman	"French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?	[09:13]
punkman	I was wondering what a digital economy minister does and ended up here http://venturebeat.com/2015/02/13/digital-minister-wants-to-break-some-cliches-about-the-french-startup-scene-interview/	[09:19]
assbot	Digital minister wants to 'break some clichés' about the French startup scene (interview) \| VentureBeat \| Entrepreneur \| by Chris O'Brien ... ( http://bit.ly/1MziYqD )	[09:19]
fluffypony	https://i.imgur.com/cx6pk88.jpg	[09:26]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lkf2FU )	[09:26]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ9JlNeVEAAeeR_.png:large	[09:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LkfFPT )	[09:38]
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punkman	http://boingboing.net/2015/10/13/this-tropical-mushroom-gives-w.html	[09:49]
assbot	This tropical mushroom gives women spontaneous orgasms from sniffing it / Boing Boing ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzoA4d )	[09:49]
davout	punkman: a lot of people wonder what she does :D	[09:52]
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nubbins`	http://www.vice.com/en_ca/read/newfoundlanders-are-trolling-the-fuck-out-of-harper-with-this-barbaric-cultural-practice	[10:11]
assbot	Newfoundlanders are Trolling the Fuck Out of Harper With This ‘Barbaric Cultural Practice’ \| VICE \| Canada ... ( http://bit.ly/1MzsBWt )	[10:11]
nubbins`	^ in which a single photograph and a facebook event allowed nubs to spread his views on civil liberties from one coast of this fine country to the other two	[10:12]
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davout	nubbins`: nice!	[10:23]
nubbins`	davout i've been on cbc, yahoo news, huffington post, several local rags... vice article is the best one	[10:30]
nubbins`	only media outlet that actually bothered to publish my thoughts beyond the superficial ones	[10:30]
nubbins`	this election is seriously the most fun i've had since i don't know when	[10:30]
davout	"Sucks, but I don't want to sterilize perfectly good satire just so people don't have to worry or think." <<< the world would be a much better place if this stance was more common	[10:32]
nubbins`	i could kiss drew brown for including that paragraph verbatim	[10:33]
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jurov	!up gabrielradio	[11:00]
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gabrielradio	thanks jurov	[11:02]
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TheNewDeal	g'day	[11:04]
TheNewDeal	or gdevening	[11:04]
gabrielradio	If you're a native Romanian speaker with a very good grasp of English, I am interested to work out an arrangement for your translation of my older Romanian articles. Don't hesitate to make contact for this purpose. << mircea_popescu , is this still of interest to you?	[11:04]
TheNewDeal	Just wanted to say that I am revoking my license as of today. I was a little sloppy with my key. I'll be back later	[11:05]
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gribble	438458414.672	[11:07]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 378863 \| Current Difficulty: 6.0813224039440346E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 379007 \| Next Difficulty In: 144 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 22 hours, 26 minutes, and 29 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: None \| Estimated Percent Change: None	[11:07]
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gribble	Error: "nexthalf" is not a valid command.	[11:07]
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TheNewDeal	I'll be back	[11:12]
TheNewDeal	!down TheNewDeal	[11:12]
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jurov	diana_coman: ^ see gabrielradio	[11:15]
jurov	i doubt very much mircea_popescu will translate someone else's articles	[11:15]
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diana_coman	jurov, I think gabrielradio means that he is interested in doing the translation	[11:17]
jurov	lolk	[11:17]
diana_coman	I must admit that I kind of hate doing translation work as I find it horribly time consuming	[11:17]
davout	diana_coman: that's a problem with work in general	[11:18]
diana_coman	he he davout that is true in general of course, but it's a matter of personal efficiency in a field or another	[11:18]
diana_coman	alternatively it might simply be that I just hate translating - I'd much rather rewrite the thing in my own words as an exercise in understanding it	[11:19]
diana_coman	fwiw I have been following Trilema from pretty much its beginning so I'm quite familiar with most of it (not that I wouldn't benefit from re-reading a lot of it) and I think there are many articles that would be worth translating	[11:20]
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VariaVarietatis	asciilifeform: know where I can find more like this in english? http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/153079.html	[12:04]
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asciilifeform	VariaVarietatis: probably nowhere	[12:23]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298566 << fella may have taken one too many hits in the head - from his logic, it seems that he ought to be carrying a frag, rather than a knife...	[12:25]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 05:29:18; Duffer1: does he say what the injuries were that lead him to change? "2. Submission to the pigs is no longer an option. Any time I put myself at the mercy of a law officer this may result in me being jailed or imprisoned. These are options that, to me, are now infinitely less desirable than death by cop."	[12:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298589 << we have this here. i even attended one performance, had no idea what it was, the playbill stated 'music from games', i recognized ~not one~ - because i never had 'console'	[12:27]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 08:49:41; punkman: http://www.wsj.com/articles/how-videogames-are-saving-the-symphony-orchestra-1444696737	[12:27]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298593 << mega-essay, recommended to everyone who is interested in salvaging what little of worth remains in this whole 'computing' thing	[12:27]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 10:27:17; punkman: http://erlang.org/pipermail/erlang-questions/2015-October/086429.html	[12:27]
*	asciilifeform experimented with erlang at great length, on multiple occasions, but cannot bring himself to use it for anything on the battlefield because 1 ) ONE IMPLEMENTATION and 2) IT DOES NOT FIT IN HEAD	[12:29]
asciilifeform	other than this, it is, imho, very spiffy	[12:29]
asciilifeform	and, iirc, to this day runs the swedish national telephone grid.	[12:29]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298611 << 'general population' will believe just about anything	[12:30]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 11:25:15; funkenstein_: i'm not sure if this was the goal but at this point general USian populace won't believe there's a shooting until the bullets hit them directly	[12:30]
punkman	one case it doesn't mention is that clueless client demands to use AWS and mongodb and hadoop, because "I heard these were popular and next week when I am a big multinational I'll need to hire 10k developers and they'll only know how to use those"	[12:32]
asciilifeform	punkman: precisely the disease that gave us microshit	[12:32]
asciilifeform	and why the entire 'industry' needs a good thermonuking	[12:33]
asciilifeform	the whole thing, to the degree it shows any evidence of design at all, is optimized for vermin at every level.	[12:34]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298586 << at this point, i hesitate to recommend gentoo to a n00b. the problem is that there is not actually an alternative to gentoo.	[12:35]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 08:30:50; wyrdmantis: to do gentoo correctly am i right with this: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/gentoo/releases/amd64/autobuilds/current-stage3-amd64-hardened+nomultilib/ ?	[12:35]
asciilifeform	learn it the way you would learn sapping	[12:35]
asciilifeform	i.e. from someone who already knows, in person.	[12:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298580 << i dun get it. why there has to be a 'pack' of whatever sort, why not simply nuke the idiot xml rpc thing once and for all ?	[12:36]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298508 << folks who want to join the endocrine freakshow know where to go...	[12:39]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 04:06:28; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently male bc, is just liek woman bc, up the hormones	[12:39]
asciilifeform	it isn't hard. ask in your local gym. the down sides are well documented.	[12:40]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298540 << could go straight for the castration and skip the organ damage...	[12:41]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 04:36:41; BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the freaks with super natural muscle were on to something, and that something was male birth control. I feel lied and cheated to.	[12:41]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298571 << who is this and why would anyone care..?	[12:42]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 05:57:35; BingoBoingo: Just remember everyone, if you sell out to Gawker Media they will treat you like trash until and past your natural death https://archive.is/wvcwZ	[12:42]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298614 << how come we learn of this not from davout ?	[12:42]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 12:13:40; punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?	[12:42]
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punkman	old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4	[12:49]
assbot	30475 – assert(int+100 > int) optimized away ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtiK5t )	[12:49]
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davout	asciilifeform: is it really that noteworthy that a sub-minister of some sort opines on something she has really no business opining about?	[13:05]
davout	or "opining on"? (folks who actually speak english are more than welcome to correct me!)	[13:05]
punkman	not rly, I was just wondering about the prize	[13:12]
davout	yeah, the whole thing materializes a government grant	[13:13]
davout	plus a small paper diploma :D	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	gabrielradio yes	[13:16]
davout	http://www.wired.com/2015/10/hedge-fund-borrows-10m-in-stock-via-the-bitcoin-blockchain/ <<< god knows what happens when some of these colored coins get haxxored	[13:17]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1PtlKhY )	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	lol. supoena!!1	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	how the fuck is a "hedge fund" issuing stock and who the fuck heard of a 10 mn "hedge fund"	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	are these people off their rocker ? you can't name yourself a hedge fund with under 1 bn just like you can't call a thing a car if it's under 1 meter long.	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	"this 10 milimetre long car got great fuel economy and runs on someone's halitosis".	[13:22]
mircea_popescu	well done!	[13:22]
asciilifeform	model car.	[13:23]
asciilifeform	(toy hedgefund?!)	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	!up	[13:24]
-assbot-	Need a nickname, mircea_popescu.	[13:24]
mircea_popescu	i never saw a 3mm car.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	make it say 3 cm, it could maybe be a model car.	[13:25]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298696 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=13-10-2015#1298309	[13:25]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 15:49:34; punkman: old gcc lulz https://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=30475#c4	[13:25]
assbot	Logged on 13-10-2015 22:07:28; mircea_popescu: i never knew i could equally hate both sides of a "debate" to the degree.	[13:25]
asciilifeform	shitgnome wreckers on one hand, 'but my legacy crud broke!!1111111' on the other	[13:25]
asciilifeform	a pox on both houses.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	it's not even that. it's jwz.	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	WHAE THINGS DUN JUS WORK I WAS BORN OF WHYTE CUNT IN AMUYRKA	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	I AM TOO GOOD TO KNOW HOW TO FLYUSH TOELat	[13:26]
asciilifeform	'we are living in ameeeeerika, ameeerika, ameeerika, ... coca cola! sometimes war!' (tm) (r)	[13:26]
mircea_popescu	it's like "radical left" arguing with obama voters. "WE NEED TO MOVE AWAY FROM PROPUDCERIST DARAPIGM!!1" "WHERE IS MY MORE FOOTSTAMPS!!!1"	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	!up gabrielradio	[13:28]
-assbot-	You voiced gabrielradio for 30 minutes.	[13:28]
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gabrielradio	i had a go at one of the articles http://pastebin.com/XH5hBW13	[13:29]
assbot	Christian Europe and other absurdities - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1PtmZhj )	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	o hey.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	aberrations is a word. absurdities != aberations.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	"One of the most ridiculous nonsense passed with pious self-importance by the neophytes and likewise unwarranted people"	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	this is broken in at least two places. one of the most x nonsense is bad grammar. the X and otherwyse Y z's is bad style	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	your ennumerations must be balanced, either ennumerate nouns or adjectives.	[13:30]
asciilifeform	it still beats the shit out of 'google trans'	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	it does.	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	gabrielradio trilema text is very fucking tense, so it needs this intensive approach to work. ya know ?	[13:31]
gabrielradio	true	[13:32]
asciilifeform	'I don't care if your language lawyers tell you gcc is right. THIS WILL CAUSE PEOPLE TO GET HACKED.' << this is not hundred percent idiotic. the c programming language is specified in such a way, with sufficiently pervasive 'undefined behaviours' and nonstandardized but inescapable routines, that it is ~physically impossible~ to program in it as-specified	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the only problem is that it takes me ~20 minutes to translate one. it maybe takes me 15 minutes to read and fix his, except i'll also get angry. so it's a sort of economical problem.	[13:32]
asciilifeform	thereby every single program beyond the schoolbook trivium depends on just such behaviour.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	~depends~ being tghe key word.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	it's not that you can fix it with better dakka.	[13:33]
asciilifeform	break it, by choosing a different reading of the talmu^H^H^H^Hstandard, and it dies.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	in order to work, it DEPENDS on it. better dakka just guarantees more of the same.	[13:33]
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asciilifeform	dakka?	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	;;google "i need more dakka" site:trilema.com	[13:33]
gribble	I NEED MOAR DAKKA on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; O, wasted youth! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: ; Rautati si Mizerii on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.:	[13:33]
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gabrielradio	mircea_popescu, i'll keep those considerations in mind and have a go at another one. i think additional pointers are needed, so as to have a better end result. is there a particular article you want to see translated?	[13:43]
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mircea_popescu	well if youj make one that i like, in that, i need to maybe edit 1 or 2 things in the whole article rather than in the first sentence, then the way i see running this is having the chan ppl vote which they want to see plus ill make a list	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	but i imagine hundreds.	[13:45]
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punkman	I think another key part of that thread is: "In earlier gcc versions this only happened if the optimizer was on. So your argument might hold some water there, if I squint my eyes enough. But gcc 4.1 removes that code even with the optimizer turned off."	[13:49]
gabrielradio	mircea_popescu got it. should i pm you in case of extreme ambiguity / for general feedback & pointers? or should i ask in the channel?	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	notrly, but feel free to ask right here	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	!gettrust gabrielradio	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	o shit assbot ran off.	[13:52]
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mircea_popescu	are you registered in wot gabrielradio ?	[13:54]
gabrielradio	i have registered with assbot & gribble, yes	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	ok ill rate you once netsplit resolves and you'll be able to self-voice.	[13:55]
gabrielradio	:D great	[13:55]
mircea_popescu	cool!	[13:55]
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shinohai	>.>	[14:36]
ben_vulpes	https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/08/31/its-now-or-never-texts-reveal-teens-efforts-to-pressure-boyfriend-into-suicide/	[14:41]
assbot	‘It’s now or never': Texts reveal teen’s efforts to pressure boyfriend into suicide - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMrVrK )	[14:41]
trinque	baw	[14:42]
ben_vulpes	go, read	[14:42]
ben_vulpes	i evillold	[14:42]
mircea_popescu	!rate gabrielradio 1 Apprentice Trilema translator	[14:44]
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trinque	ben_vulpes: mega-baw	[14:44]
mircea_popescu	!v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.gabrielradio.1:3bf7e21ceb1c0a7bb8345448721b38f00d5ae0de782b9ebceb500d4c72c75008	[14:44]
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trinque	ben_vulpes: my brother yesterday was telling me about this "autistic" kid that punches teachers at his high school	[14:47]
trinque	me: "And what if they could punch him back? Do you think he'd continue?" him: "hmmmmmm"	[14:47]
trinque	a "counselor" comes running every time this kid lashes out. I say he wins	[14:48]
punkman	"After his death, Carter became a self-proclaimed advocate for mental health. She organized a fundraising tournament in Roy’s memory and posted on Facebook and Twitter about her attempts to save her boyfriend’s life."	[14:49]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[14:50]
punkman	attempts such as: “I was on the phone with him and he got out of the car” because the carbon monoxide was working, she said. She added that she “told him to get back in.”	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	so basically the girl's plan was to be an activist, and she figured since all the verbiage is "you can't discuss X because you don't KNOWWHATITSLIKE" she'd really help her chances by having a bf off himself.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	she's right, too.	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	at any rate a damn sight better plan than "i'll go to college and become carrie bradshaw"	[14:52]
shinohai	Well, she got valuable experience in little time, sure beats going to school and studying that shit.	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	she'll get the even more valuable experience of impunity, IN SPITE of a lot of verbiage and to and fro from the soi dissant "legal system", "community" etc.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	in other words, america is building its leaders of tomorrow.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	they just don't happen to be the sort of leaders it [thinks it] wants.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	just like dumbass chick with "i want people to like me for me" and no nudies on facebook IS selecting for her future husband.	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	just, not for the future husband she [thinks she] wants. certainly for the one she deserves	[14:56]
shinohai	!b 2	[15:04]
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shinohai	yay assbot is back. I had forgotten until I already sent command.	[15:04]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/gOtiYtR.jpg	[15:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LMv4HZ )	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://i.imgur.com/V3BmKlZ.jpg	[15:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LMvfmI )	[15:07]
mod6	Alright, wot-sync removed, some other minor changes. Everything resigned and posted for review, enjoy!	[15:07]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151014.tar.gz	[15:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LMvj5U )	[15:08]
mod6	http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151014.tar.gz.mod6.sig	[15:08]
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mircea_popescu	nice going mod6	[15:08]
mod6	ty :]	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	shinohai it has a point, too. reddit is fundamentally this, pretending moos are speech.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	"James LaFond—a little prick I never much cared for anyhow—is dead, and I am the ghost animating his tottering corpse." << you know, this is pretty typical schizo stuff and im willing to bet the guy kills someone.	[15:11]
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mircea_popescu	maybe it's just grieving, who's to know.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	no country for old men, huh ?	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	strangely, somehow, no one seems to notice THAT is the premier, perhaps the only appeal of crypto.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298614 << o hey, check him out!	[15:19]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 12:13:40; punkman: "French governt endorses #Blockchain tech ! #paymium awarded prize by Digital Economy Minister Axelle Lemaire" what's this prize davout?	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298629 << lol another one!	[15:20]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 13:30:20; nubbins`: davout i've been on cbc, yahoo news, huffington post, several local rags... vice article is the best one	[15:20]
phf	(gabrielradio is presumably gabriel_laddel in mobile mode)	[15:21]
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mircea_popescu	phf it's what i thought too but seems not.	[15:21]
phf	huh!	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	"I know they're billing it as a stand for women's rights, but that would be more convincing if they weren't also selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, hadn't shuttered 75 percent of the country's Status of Women offices, and weren't shrugging off the more than 1,200 Indigenous women who have been missing or murdered in Canada since 1980."	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	what the everliving fuck. closing down "status of women" offices is a fucking must for women's rights.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	and capitalizing that shit is a lot more fucking bigoted than saying obama is just a slave put there to do his white master's bidding.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	". There's a legitimate concern that sauntering into a polling booth dressed like something out a low-budget nightmare might actually be trivializing or mocking the experience of those Canadian women who face regular harassment (or worse) as part of their religious devotion"	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	no there fucking isn't. "trivialization" is never a legitimate concern.	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	the people pretending otherwise are also not legitimate people. ask for their fucking legitimations, the matter's not resolved by simply being there.	[15:26]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298657 << she';s most efficient looking for widow's whisp berries atm i suspect :D	[15:29]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 14:19:04; diana_coman: he he davout that is true in general of course, but it's a matter of personal efficiency in a field or another	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298674 << "believe". there's two kinds of believe, the "pepsi is best pepsi that saves women's rights" believe and the "sit on a pineapple" believe.	[15:31]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 15:31:01; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298611 << 'general population' will believe just about anything	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	no point confusing them.	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	usians will say anything and believe nothing.	[15:31]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298698 << depends if she ever posted tits. that usually makes the cut >D	[15:41]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 16:05:20; davout: asciilifeform: is it really that noteworthy that a sub-minister of some sort opines on something she has really no business opining about?	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	"Most of that development is iterative rehashes of what everyone else has already done, though. This is a red flag to me. Social networks, messaging systems, click analytics, GIS frameworks for click analytics, and lots of other things called "analytics" but really boil down to adtech, adtech, adtech, adtech, and some more adtech, and marketing campaigns about campaigns about adtech."	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	with the mention that it's not tech. it's voodoo.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	so unless one';s willing to go "timecube is astrotech astrotech and some more astrotech", one shouldn't so refer to "click analytics" and the rest of that shit.	[15:43]
shinohai	http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2015-10/uosc-cbm101315.php <<< Once I went to a funeral (Jewish) and joked to my cousin that "He is in heaven with Jesus now". May as well have said the holocaust never occured.	[15:46]
assbot	Cultural blunders make people better thinkers \| EurekAlert! Science News ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4etaI )	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	"The elephant in the room being that the ad market is falling apart because it isn't worth anything near like what we imagined. If views were what mattered it would be impossible for Twitter to be in such trouble, Arstechnica be struggling to maintain its editorial standards, or sites like Huffington Post and Forbes to be forced to display clickbait panels and load 40 ~ 70 third party plants per page load."	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[15:50]
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mircea_popescu	A hilariously low percentage of tech investment targets the SMB market (aiming instead at huge business, the web, and the consumer electronics tie-in (the only interesting part of the list)) <<< yeah, it's not JUST bitcoin that the VC circus misdirected the usg into losing out of.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	this one will kill it, of course, but even if it didn't, even without it : usg had been tricked by usg.vc into missing out on pretty much everything. even fucking obvious things like small biz.	[15:54]
shinohai	I'm going to paint "Dumb ideas and bankrupt companies" onto a briefcase and dress up as a VC for Halloween.	[15:56]
trinque	that's pretty good	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	nb.	[15:57]
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shinohai	At first I though of making a giant paper-machie forhead and going as Vitalik Buterin, but it kept collapsing. :/	[16:04]
shinohai	*forehead	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	papier-mache does not make a suitable replacement for pressed shit.	[16:04]
shinohai	I'm certainly nowhere near fat enough to be Gavin.	[16:05]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/Ur3Wf73.jpg <<< kek	[16:07]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1X4ijRh )	[16:07]
phf	last year i did travis bickle for halloween, complete with haircut, which had a nice bonus of being a big fuck you to the firm i was working for. apparently it's fine to have purple hair if you're an agile manager, but not so much a "warhawk" for a project architect.	[16:16]
phf	http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/51/af/bb/51afbbec842a18006aa399b4d40bbd5a.jpg << for reference	[16:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1X4jNej )	[16:16]
phf	shinohai: i think you want these if you're trying to buterin, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001BLWW8A	[16:20]
assbot	Amazon.com: EARS LARGE PLASTIC: Clothing ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4kqoc )	[16:20]
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mircea_popescu	i dun get why you'd want to big fuck you the firm you work for.	[16:25]
shinohai	lmao phf .... makes me actually want to make a Buterin costume.	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	"To illustrate this, consider the latest issue containing an article, "Power Hour." It describes an impromptu experiment on the world's powerful (i.e. Paul Wolfowitz) that unfortunately failed to show the intended result, namely, that he's a jerk.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	The fact that the experiment failed didn't stop The New Yorker from trying to portray Wolfowitz as a jerk anyway, even though his performance theoretically showed that he was not a jerk, by the outcome measure of the study. They even commissioned a caricature of Wolfowitz to accompany the article, because, well, he's a jerk, of course. No matter what science says."	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	via http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/05/the_new_yorker_writes_about_po.html	[16:34]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: The New Yorker Writes About Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1X4mU5T )	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	what has changed in 7 years ? oh... the new yorker went out of business.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	and whoever took over's paying less for the copywriting and even less for the artwork.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	and otherwise... let's do a test to see if it comes out the way we want it to here it is it did!!11	[16:35]
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BingoBoingo	<< who is this and why would anyone care..? << Person who sold out to Denton for minimal cash and a life time of being trolled by his media child	[16:36]
phf	mircea_popescu: i was being childish, but also under a lot of stress. at that point they didn't quite believe me that i really am only staying on long enough to wrap up the projects i was responsible for. the haircut cut off any attempts to bring me into meetings with new clients. in any case not my proudest moment, but it was my best halloween costume so far.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	usually how this works :D	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	"not my proudest moment in retrospect, but hot damned that time i stripped naked and jumped in the pool was the greatest party ever!" said many a tall beauties.	[16:41]
phf	ahaha	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	whadda ya do for a living now, anyway	[16:43]
phf	helping out a friend on his project ~3 days a week or so in a last authority on technical decisions role.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	what, you're retired ?	[16:47]
phf	that's one way of putting it, except i don't have enough leverage to last me to the end, so technically no	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	so you're basically a nigger in prison (ie, timed out by the failures of this world!!1) except not actually black.	[16:50]
phf	that's a much better way of putting it, yes	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	so why don't you do something ? here's alf bending over the task of routing circuits in the blockchain implemented in ada	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	and here's phf sitting around wondering what's for dinner.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	is this fairness i ask you ?	[16:51]
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asciilifeform	l0l	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	worst run sharashka ever.	[16:53]
phf	well, this is eye of sauron kind of operation	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	what's that ?	[16:54]
phf	whenever mp notices a problem, there's a active search for a solution	[16:55]
phf	i'm basically following along the logs, looking for things i can pick up and work on. last one i saw was memory limits in nursery	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	flattering, but noit that accurate.	[16:56]
asciilifeform	phf: the back side of this medal is that problems which require something more than poor buggerz working nights and weekends with bare hands - don't get solved.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	not that the strategy per se is bad, following the log.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	but i am positive that either mod6 or alf could give you huge chunks to do, if you're mostly into that. prolly mod6 more swamped tghan alf atm, even.	[16:57]
asciilifeform	e.g., http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298782 needs a good test.	[16:58]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 18:08:21; mod6: http://thebitcoin.foundation/v/V-20151014.tar.gz	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	there's also a bunch of large-ish stand-alone items, such as the gossipd (which might still be done by artifexd, haven;t heard from him for a while) and a proper redesign of pgp	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	and othjers.	[16:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: actually i'll fess up to being a good chunk of the way into both of the above	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	ofcourseyouare.	[16:58]
asciilifeform	but this does not mean that other folks ought not to do it!	[16:59]
asciilifeform	as in 'v'	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	which is why i dun wanna encourage your heretic renaissance-orchestra-man ways by attaching more talented young folk to your crazylab.	[16:59]
asciilifeform	l0l aha.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	fits in head, i suspect, is just your bait and switch to make the world "fits in ass".	[16:59]
asciilifeform	!s arse safe	[16:59]
assbot	2 results for 'arse safe' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=arse+safe	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	why do you want to rectally insert the creation, alf ?	[16:59]
asciilifeform	^ key feature!	[16:59]
asciilifeform	the old saw, 'you own only what fits in one hand while firing with the other' is not applicable if using two-handed weapon. because then, you own only what fits in head (and arse...)	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	aha	[17:00]
asciilifeform	;;seen artifexd	[17:01]
gribble	artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 24 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 45 minutes, and 11 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	myeah been a while.	[17:02]
asciilifeform	fella's logged in...	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	yo artifexd ... how goes ?	[17:02]
asciilifeform	'отряд не заметил потери бойца и яблочко песню допел до конца' (tm) (r)	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	heh	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	phf: the back side of this medal is that problems which require something more than poor buggerz working nights and weekends with bare hands - don't get solved. << the only problem that EVEN BENEFITS from a different approach is childbearing.	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	and the different apporoach is not on the part of the buggerers either, they still work nights and weekends with bare...	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	hands.	[17:04]
asciilifeform	go and fab cpu 'nights&weekends with bare hands.'	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	sometimes i think b-a is really the mental process of a nutty old guy	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	keep[s having the same arguments with himself.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	incidentally this'd be the way to write the b-a book.	[17:07]
asciilifeform	'the dreams of cthulhu'	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	not even. "The Retired Life of Mr. Boody Wallen."	[17:09]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298621 << call me skeptic, but wake me up when gurlz carry shroom snuffboxes instead of cosmetic cases !	[17:09]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 12:49:26; punkman: http://boingboing.net/2015/10/13/this-tropical-mushroom-gives-w.html	[17:09]
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mircea_popescu	call me crazy, but the most often heard HONEST response to "would you like to cum ?" is no.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	how's that wurk	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	women, sane women in sane situations, don't generally want another orgasm.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	because it's exhausting.	[17:10]
asciilifeform	life is exhausting	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	not paroxistically.	[17:10]
phf	so gossipd is "in progress", but fella's not been heard from in a very long time. gpg has not been started, but ascii presumably has a lot of ideas about it. then there's pie in the sky projects, like fabricating own cpus or rsa over udp routers.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	phf notice that the gossipd thing was specced, the pgp one has not.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	and i am pretty certain the specwork for it will involve fireworks.	[17:11]
asciilifeform	phf: 3 of these 4 are well underway right here.	[17:11]
asciilifeform	i suppose i spoiled 'v' a month before publishing, and no one noticed it, so perhaps i ought to 'spoil' this one	[17:11]
shinohai	If help is still needed cleaning or writing some crap for the wiki I may can help.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	shinohai A LOT of that is needed on teh eulora wiki, at that.	[17:13]
asciilifeform	the - presently nameless - pgptron - is simply an emulator for a very simple but imaginary computer which performs arbitrary arithmetic on bignums.	[17:13]
phf	and then there's always bitcoind source, which is infinite rabbit hole. i'm studying the source by rewriting chunks in cl, and the more i learn, the more i know i don't know	[17:13]
asciilifeform	a 'public key' is simply a snippet of code for this 'computer'	[17:13]
asciilifeform	ditto private.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	yarvin will be pissed.	[17:13]
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asciilifeform	there are no hardcoded implementations of ciphers, or hashes	[17:13]
asciilifeform	these are carried in the 'keys'	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	the entire fucking point nsa even sponsored his nonsense is that it might perhaps prevent this manner of looking on asym crypto.	[17:14]
asciilifeform	'v' is the bullet in the head for shithub et al;	[17:14]
asciilifeform	'p' (draft title) - for the old pgp.	[17:14]
shinohai	keep forgetting to rejoin #eulora, never added to autojoin	[17:14]
asciilifeform	i could say more, but why ruin ~all~ of the surprise.	[17:15]
phf	g is presumably ascii's gossipd version	[17:15]
asciilifeform	whole thing is a few 100 lines of c. (not entirely tested yet, so i will not say precisely how much it weights.)	[17:15]
asciilifeform	*weighs	[17:15]
asciilifeform	for some exposition of the general approach, see also my ancient article, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=309	[17:16]
assbot	Loper OS » No Formats, no Format Wars. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DG9cuX )	[17:16]
shinohai	Any news on when our friend phuctor might return asciilifeform ?	[17:16]
asciilifeform	shinohai: when i find a place to put it.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	darn was going to get a quote	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	;;seen naphex	[17:17]
gribble	naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 5 days, 10 hours, 24 minutes, and 35 seconds ago: mircea_popescu: yep; i'm waiting for a mail from him should come later on today	[17:17]
asciilifeform	shinohai: so far, nothing satisfactory. i continue the search.	[17:17]
shinohai	kk thanks	[17:17]
asciilifeform	would ~strongly~ prefer to put it in a place i can physically touch, but mircea_popescu does not much like this approach, iirc he said 'dont wanna trade with the enemy'	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	im still hopeful might manage to get a colo'd box there.	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you can touch it just as soon as you get out of nazi state.	[17:18]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:18]
shinohai	I can't offer any such help as I too am under the thumb of the SS.	[17:19]
trinque	ship shinohai out on the barge	[17:19]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2014#905048 << for reference.	[17:20]
assbot	Logged on 31-10-2014 02:48:16; asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gKuatNrLHLY << with english translation in 'show more' box	[17:20]
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nubbins`	add BBC News to the list o.O	[17:24]
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mircea_popescu	hehe. are you a celeb nao nubs ?	[17:27]
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mircea_popescu	clearly, "email filtering has gotten so good of late"	[17:37]
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shinohai	Jeezus mircea_popescu you weren't kidding about the eulora wiki.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	!up PeterL_out	[17:54]
-assbot-	Insufficient rights, mircea_popescu, !up yourself on PM first.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[17:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13439 @ 0.00047733 = 6.4148 BTC [-] {2}	[17:55]
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mircea_popescu	!up PeterL	[17:57]
-assbot-	You voiced PeterL for 30 minutes.	[17:57]
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mircea_popescu	assbot had netsplitted.	[17:57]
PeterL	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298437 << oil is made of hydrocarbons, carbohydrates are things like sugars	[17:57]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 00:23:57; mircea_popescu: this is exactly what it sounds like : oil is a mix of carbohydrates, you sort this by mass and cut it into slices.	[17:57]
PeterL	just nitpicking	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	a right.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	not much oxygen in oil.	[17:58]
PeterL	unless your "oil" comes from a US gas pump and is filled with oxygenates like ethanol	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[17:59]
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brg444	did bitderp story get pulled from Qntra?	[18:50]
BingoBoingo	Which one?	[18:52]
BingoBoingo	http://qntra.net/2015/10/troubled-bitpay-signs-up-gaming-platform/ ???	[18:53]
assbot	Troubled BitPay Signs up Gaming Platform \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdrfiG )	[18:53]
BingoBoingo	Ah, deedbot didn't catch it	[18:53]
trinque	was absentee due to some freenode fart; just brought it back	[18:53]
Duffer1	g2a is the sketchiest bullshit	[18:56]
Duffer1	brand new AAA games at 80% off day of release	[18:56]
Duffer1	"we're legit"	[18:56]
brg444	my bad the recent one, would be bitreserve/uphold	[18:58]
brg444	their fiat "rebranding"	[18:58]
BingoBoingo	I don't remember that one	[19:01]
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brg444	aaa found it. stumbled on it today ... from 2014 http://qntra.net/2014/10/bitreserve-holds-your-bitcoins-as-fiat/	[19:05]
assbot	Bitreserve Holds your Bitcoins as Fiat \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdrJoP )	[19:05]
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brg444	veteran scammer Halsey Minor sells 5000 BTC worth of IOUs into his fiat bank, today claims one of "Bitcoin's biggest company"	[19:09]
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shinohai	rofl	[19:14]
brg444	Minor, too, predicts that bitcoin as a currency “will get destroyed.” He likens the coin’s current market cap—about $3.7 billion—to “an accounting mistake or rounding error that Bank of America makes.”	[19:14]
brg444	http://fortune.com/2015/10/14/bitreserve-bitcoin-uphold/	[19:14]
assbot	Bitcoin Startup Bitreserve Changes Name and Moves Beyond Bitcoin - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ndsb6o )	[19:14]
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brg444	"22% of the world's publicly traded bitcoin has been transacted on our platform in less than 11 months"	[19:16]
brg444	what the fuck does that even mean	[19:16]
pete_dushenski	wash trading	[19:16]
pete_dushenski	http://www.dfs.ny.gov/banking/agree_symphony_09142015.htm << crytolulz	[19:16]
assbot	NYSDFS - Banking - September 14, 2015: NYDFS Reaches Agreements With 4 Major Banks on New Symphony Chat & Messaging Platform ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdsePI )	[19:16]
pete_dushenski	cryptolulz*	[19:17]
pete_dushenski	"The four banks will store duplicate copies of the decryption keys for their messages with independent custodians (i.e., custodians not controlled by the banks)."	[19:17]
ben_vulpes	ahahaha	[19:18]
pete_dushenski	why the fuck even bother with 'end-to-end encryption'	[19:18]
ben_vulpes	"operate in us? can't use crypto."	[19:18]
pete_dushenski	if you're just going to hand the unencrypted emails over the second the nydfs comes aknockin'	[19:18]
shinohai	They like making you feel secure.	[19:19]
pete_dushenski	how in the fuck did the nydfs even manage to negotiate this ?	[19:19]
pete_dushenski	actually, if i were goldman, i'd use 'symphony chat' for 'clean tawk' and pgp for 'dirty tawk'.	[19:20]
pete_dushenski	"here you are officer, i think you'll find this correspondance regarding the weather in peru to be in order"	[19:21]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b38	[19:21]
pete_dushenski	correspondence*	[19:22]
pete_dushenski	see, without good ol' deedbot- i'd have forgotten entirely about that eth bet.	[19:22]
pete_dushenski	how is that scam doing these days ?	[19:22]
pete_dushenski	oof. down 19% today to 0.0019	[19:23]
pete_dushenski	'yes' is looking tempting isn't it.	[19:24]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298978 << what's sketchy about a gaming platform whose users want to suck its dick, all nice and sloppy like ? http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Trustpilot-Id-suck-your-dick-all-nice-and-sloppy-like.png	[19:25]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 21:56:25; Duffer1: g2a is the sketchiest bullshit	[19:25]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NdsBK6 )	[19:25]
brg444	jays just got jobbed	[19:26]
pete_dushenski	orly ? missed the game.	[19:26]
brg444	live rite now	[19:26]
brg444	people throwing beers on the field and stuff	[19:27]
BingoBoingo	Eh, baseball season ended last night	[19:27]
pete_dushenski	what happened ? it's in toronto iirc	[19:27]
pete_dushenski	brg444 ^	[19:27]
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BingoBoingo	lol https://archive.is/ac3ed	[19:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NdsK0i )	[19:28]
brg444	refs made a terrible call on awarding a free run to the plate on a botched pitch back to the pitcher	[19:28]
brg444	appeared to have called the play off then awarded the point on review. now checking out the replay, again.	[19:29]
pete_dushenski	ooo drama	[19:29]
brg444	someone's getting ejected soon	[19:30]
brg444	BingoBoingo about STL sports team, Gurley is entertaining	[19:30]
BingoBoingo	He is	[19:30]
BingoBoingo	Tre Mason can eat a dick though. Wasn't for that asshole Mizzou would have had an SEC Championship.	[19:31]
pete_dushenski	@GreggZaun: Try to keep it classy Toronto. The WORLD is watching << bahaha. shut the fuck up zaun. you're a has-been and your little world and everyone you know doth not make up any ~useful~ fraction of the world extant. but whatever, enjoy your time in the sun, however brief it may be.	[19:31]
pete_dushenski	the WORLD watches WORLD CUP	[19:33]
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pete_dushenski	that's it. not the olympics, not the 'world' series, nothing else. football.	[19:33]
pete_dushenski	and cripes, not the american kind either.	[19:33]
BingoBoingo	The card's elimination from the playoff wouldn't be so bad if it came at the hands of any team other than Shitcago	[19:33]
pete_dushenski	ahh chicago. i remember the days of frank thomas like they were yesterday.	[19:34]
pete_dushenski	now ~that~ man could hit a ball, pre-juice too (or before widespread use at least)	[19:35]
BingoBoingo	Frank Thomas was with the OK Chicago team.	[19:35]
BingoBoingo	There was probably juice around then too, I mean Jose Canseco. Thomas though was a genetic freak.	[19:35]
pete_dushenski	i have a soft spot for genetic freaks in sport.	[19:36]
pete_dushenski	lebron, tiger, bolt, etc. those 'supermen'	[19:36]
pete_dushenski	the ones that 'don't make sense'	[19:36]
brg444	i get the same feelings watching Odell Beckham launch 45 inches in the hair grabbing footballs one handed during pre-game	[19:37]
BingoBoingo	Right. But the Cards were eliminated by the fucking Northside Pedobears https://archive.is/oD37c	[19:37]
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shinohai	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299012 <<	[19:38]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 22:25:37; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298978 << what's sketchy about a gaming platform whose users want to suck its dick, all nice and sloppy like ? http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Trustpilot-Id-suck-your-dick-all-nice-and-sloppy-like.png	[19:38]
brg444	lebron the most impressive specimen I've seen	[19:38]
brg444	nh	[19:40]
pete_dushenski	brg444 i remember watching him for the first time, while in a hotel room in mexico as it happens, during his senior year (of high school!) in the slam dunk competition. he was simply monumental. and i remember saying "watch out for this kid" without really knowing jack shit about pro bball	[19:41]
brg444	yep. was unheard of. kid was probably pulling more ratings on ESPN then this baseball game on now as a senior.	[19:42]
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brg444	it's a shame he's such a doofus though. mentality he is amateur at best. doesn't understand how to be great	[19:44]
brg444	MJ did	[19:44]
*	BingoBoingo remembers when MJ was my favorite minor league baseball player	[19:45]
brg444	:o	[19:45]
brg444	he was ass though	[19:45]
brg444	that speaks to why he was so great though: dude had such an ego he thought there was nothing he couldn't do.	[19:47]
pete_dushenski	baseball update: so weird rangers run counted. jays look to come back in bottom of 7th, bases loaded, 1 out.	[19:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00047463 = 6.1702 BTC [-] {2}	[19:52]
brg444	oh wow	[19:54]
pete_dushenski	6-3 jays. grand salamie.	[19:58]
brg444	na, was actually 2 people on bases	[20:00]
brg444	people in toronto going nuts	[20:00]
pete_dushenski	Frank Thomas @TheBigHurt_35 This is the craziest inning of baseball I've ever seen!! <<	[20:00]
pete_dushenski	brg444 aha. my bad.	[20:01]
brg444	I've lost track of time but it seems this one inning has been going on for the last hour	[20:02]
shinohai	http://imgur.com/a/D4A0n <<< You guys had ur 40x6 cm dildo today ?	[20:05]
assbot	futabu dildo - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpcnE8 )	[20:05]
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pete_dushenski	"The relationship of intelligence and intelligent behavior has been the topic of recent debates, yet understanding why we call certain actions stupid irrespective of their cognitive abilities requires the understanding of what people mean when they call an action stupid. To study these questions empirically, we analyzed real-life examples where people called an action stupid."	[20:08]
pete_dushenski	while i could think of worse and less hilarious topics for one's phd...	[20:09]
pete_dushenski	wtf is this 'irrespective of their cognitive abilities' nonsense ? as if everyone in the world were equally stupid, and therefore equally intelligent, and therefore had equal rights and so on and so forth ?	[20:10]
pete_dushenski	while pretty much everyone is stupid is ~some~ ways, this doesn't imply that there aren't vast disparities between the shades of gray.	[20:11]
pete_dushenski	yes, tlp is a smart dude, but no, he couldn't wrap his head around the concept of independence.	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	for his daughter, at least.	[20:12]
pete_dushenski	likewise, obama is smarter than your average nignog, but he can't negotiate himself out of a paper bag, much less prevent his 'country' from spiralling from despondency on downwards. in fact, if he were smarter, he'd be accelerating the process at every opportunity. instead, he just drags his dumb heels in the sand his father was born in.	[20:16]
pete_dushenski	might as well get it over with, burn the mess down already. but no, too stupid. too much 'hope'.	[20:17]
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ben_vulpes	lol bye pete	[20:24]
brg444	*drops mic	[20:24]
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ben_vulpes	obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.	[20:25]
ben_vulpes	it's just the wwe yearly belt competition	[20:25]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i suppose they could bid for a eulora copper merchant position like anyone else.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1298986 << what exactly did the guy do to be veteran ?	[20:37]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 22:10:00; brg444: veteran scammer Halsey Minor sells 5000 BTC worth of IOUs into his fiat bank, today claims one of "Bitcoin's biggest company"	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	oh the cnet dude nm	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299006 << me sees this, goes orly ? goes and checks, sure enough 0.00204816 BTC (-15.62 %)	[20:39]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 22:21:57; deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.99990000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b38	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	niggas stealin' ma bitbetz!	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299054 << michael jackson ?!	[20:42]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 22:45:37; *: BingoBoingo remembers when MJ was my favorite minor league baseball player	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	http://imgur.com/a/D4A0n << im sure every internist in audience is thinking that's just about the size of an impacted shit.	[20:44]
assbot	futabu dildo - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1jpcnE8 )	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299071 << more like smart people do stupid shit all the time and often enough it happens that you're impressed with something someone does only to discover they "did it" by pure coincidence later on.	[20:45]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 23:10:19; pete_dushenski: wtf is this 'irrespective of their cognitive abilities' nonsense ? as if everyone in the world were equally stupid, and therefore equally intelligent, and therefore had equal rights and so on and so forth ?	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	tis a problem.	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Jordan. During those two years he had to leave Basketball over those gambling debts	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299074 <<< re that quote, in fairness and on re-read it could be said he sort-of gets it. maybe. lotta effort it takes, too	[20:45]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 23:12:54; pete_dushenski: for his daughter, at least.	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you mean aids ?!	[20:45]
BingoBoingo	Nah, that's Magic Johnson	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-10-2015#1299079 << and the american husband doesn't have the mandate to put wife on knees. of course he doesn't, except if he takes it, in which case he does. because this is kinda how this shit works.	[20:46]
assbot	Logged on 14-10-2015 23:25:18; ben_vulpes: obama doesn't actually have the mandate to negotiate; subtle fact of us presidency that most outsiders (and usians) miss.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	reagan didn't have the mandate to send the airline union packing. it went packing. roosevelt had no mandate to confiscate people's currency, or to redefine currency, or to fuck up the justice system.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter he had as much mandate to start a war as lincoln did.	[20:47]
mircea_popescu	it specifically says "you don't have mandate to start wars, unless you do."	[20:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22762 @ 0.00047786 = 10.877 BTC [+] {2}	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	first!	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2008/07/academics_hide_drug_company_pa.html << this shit is so on point...	[21:26]
assbot	The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1NI78Mn )	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	"If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those re	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	sults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	He starts out as a young academic. He lands a spot in a research group that studies X, so he studies X, later he branches out into X+Y, or goes to Z, etc, eventually he finds himself a niche. And he believes in that niche, he believes in his data, no matter what it says. You can't convince him he's wrong because it isn't science and it isn't even a bias-- it's identity.	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	That's how an entire nation of psychiatrists could have been deluded into prescribing Depakote for maintenance when the data itself says not to do it. It's belief, not money, "we believe bipolar is a kindled disorder..." Hell, if Harvard believes it, what chance do the rest of us have?"	[21:26]
asciilifeform	and this is not even remotely limited to pharma.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	has 0 to do with pharma. where usg goes, the usg.problems go.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	wherever there's two ustards, there's ustardation, aka this sort of narcisiac neurosis.	[21:27]
asciilifeform	btw 'bipolar as kindled [as per 1950s theory of epileptic fit origins] disease' comes entirely from one thing:	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	heck, the fucking "expat" group in costa rica had it./	[21:28]
asciilifeform	antiepileptics tend to be 1) infinitely polymorphable into patentability 2) lobotomize patient into quiescence	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	yes, obviously, "antiepileptics for everything" aka "everything to do with the brain will be fixed by fucking with these neurotransmitters" comes from exactly this fertile field.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	and the entire "everything wrong is really wrong with the brain" ie "not criminality but imbalance" so on and so forth are only superficially an ideology matter, ie "humanism" run amok us style.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	but i will note the overall ~direction~ of usg psychiatry.	[21:29]
BingoBoingo	antiepileptics tend to work on ion channels, antipsychotics/antidepressants fuck with neurotransmitters	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	fundamentally, they're exactly driven by this tecxh	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	technological happenstance.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	this discussion exactly mirrors yesterdauy's discussion about diesels.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	much the same as that of sov психушка	[21:30]
asciilifeform	there ~were~ dopaminergics.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	the "regulators" had 0 to do with it. while the refinery process poured out diesel fuel, you were gonna run diesels.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	while petrochem pours out depakote, you're gonna fucking feed people depakote and stfu.	[21:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not really the case here. petrochem had equally easy time pouring out dopaminergics as it does neuroleptics	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	notrly.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	see, the uppers risk cascading.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	the downers just make people stfu and sit down.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	naturally	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	Depakote was popular because drug companies made conditions for the insurance companies to pay for it.	[21:32]
asciilifeform	usg would rather have a herd of depressives than manics, yes	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo but they only did that because it was accessible.	[21:32]
BingoBoingo	Before Depakote, it was seroquel, after depakote it was Zyprexa	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not even usg related. it is CHEAPER.	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	hat's the considerationb here.	[21:32]
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asciilifeform	cheaper to manage the depressives ? certainly	[21:33]
asciilifeform	to make the pill? nope.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	no. cheaper to make these than those. cheaper to prescribe them. cheaper to take them.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	in the very lowest sense of it all. cheaper in adp terms.	[21:33]
BingoBoingo	Psychiatry swings in an antipsychotic-antiepileptic-antipsychotic-antiepileptic pattern for bipolar	[21:33]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo these aren't different.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	psychiatry is being a slut while pretending she's having amorous complications.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	it still fucks the same dude every night.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	is PeterL around ? let's look at the synthesis for either.	[21:34]
BingoBoingo	Sure, but they switch around condom brands	[21:34]
asciilifeform	i don't see anything in the structures that would suggest a substantial difference in cost per kg.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	of, e.g., 'depakote' vs dextraamphetamine	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform your argument will reduce to something like "making 1950s bachelite and fuel oil is '''cheaper''' than making diesel and wd40". this is equivalent to saying "z80 is cheaper to make than pentium 3". both are incorrect.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	pentium 3 is ACTUALLY cheaper to make than z80 ever was.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	z80 is absolutely cheaper.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	not so.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	"absolutely" is a meaningless term. yes, you think it exists. good for you.	[21:35]
asciilifeform	unless one goes 'but no one is tooled for it'	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	but outside of your pinning it down, it does not exist.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	it's not that "no one is tooled for it". it's that theyre not TOOLABLE for it. and if they WERE, it'd be expensive.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	consider home cooking. it is ABSOLUTELY the cheapest way to feed a fambly.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	except, not.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	there isn't this "absolutely" .	[21:36]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus - http://trilema.com/2015/chez-cocus-or-the-argentinian-chorus/	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	in the world where women cook as a matter of course, cooking is MORE EXPENSIVE than in the world where cooking would be "absolutely" less expensive but women would kill themselves if you allowed them in a kitchen	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	does this coallesce into sense on your side ?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	speaking of nothing related, anyone recall the original patrick naughton trial ? compuserve exec, flew to La to meet a 40yo FBI agent that had been posing as a 13 yo girl in a dads&daughers sex chatroom. hung jury : all women voted to convict ; all men voted he;s innocent.	[21:58]
asciilifeform	hung != acquit	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	somehow THAT gender gap doesn't figure too prominently in "feminist" discourse today	[22:00]
mircea_popescu	but i think it informs, subconsciously, ALL of it.	[22:00]
asciilifeform	re: previous thread: i get the hypothesis, but it falls apart re: z80 specifically. as it is... still made. and is about $5 in qty.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform iirc he went to work as an exeprty in fucking teens for the fbi afterwards.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	so yes, it did.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform $5 does not describe the price.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	see my bottles of wine. also $5. or, less.	[22:02]
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mircea_popescu	pentium costs $0.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	wai wut	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2015/chez-cocus-or-the-argentinian-chorus/ <	[22:02]
assbot	Chez Cocus, or the Argentinian Chorus on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PhCREx )	[22:02]
asciilifeform	in the sense of go-dig-up-from-the-skip ?	[22:02]
asciilifeform	yes, $0	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	in the sense of, "put on provision slip, sign, costs nothing"	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	go, put z80 on the list.	[22:02]
asciilifeform	how does it 'cost nothing' ?	[22:03]
asciilifeform	pray to god, he drops a pallet down ?	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	suppose you're in soviet russia.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	if you want a Tatra truck, ask for it.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	if you want a general motors truck ?	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	your wife's cunt costs 0. teen poon costs... how much does it cost ? as alf says "might as well me from mars."	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	what company you ever heard of had a debate over "windows licensing costs" ?	[22:04]
asciilifeform	this is handy for the present day but does not explain how the pieces on the board got to where they are	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	"hey, maybe we should use linux, it's cheaper". sure, as a red herring for "red hat", which is not linux.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	well, they got to where they are through a succession of present days.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with the mathematical sleigh of hand called "induction" rite.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	incidentally, for the two kinds of dope picked for this comparison, the packaging and distribution costs dwarf the actual cost of producing the pill	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	i show today and tomorrow and i won.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	which is why we strictly ignore it.	[22:05]
asciilifeform	so what was cheaper on day 0 ?	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	a club.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	you familiar with this, yes ? the romans kept going "why would someone farm when he could heroicly steal women and shit ?!?!?!"	[22:06]
asciilifeform	aha	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	so then.	[22:06]
mircea_popescu	the fundamental problem of reality is that for things to work, things don't actually have to work.	[22:07]
asciilifeform	except where they do.	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	which is just another restatement of "people are insane" which is pretty much the oldest observation in the book that everyone keeps restating self-importantly and lo, it's voltaire! it's nietsche! it's existentialism! it's your grandmother vigin! etgc	[22:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3326 @ 0.00047798 = 1.5898 BTC [+]	[22:08]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they never do. that's the problem. by the time the war is lost, the people who lost it are dead. that's the thing.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	yes the people that won won. but this means nothing in context.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	ofcourse they were gonna win etc.	[22:09]
*	asciilifeform is palpably confused	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	look, let's go at it this way. in your own private experience, as a witness, how many times did a horde of idiots on some idiot forum know better than me ?	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	i'm still here, they as individuals are not. but they as group are still here. perhaps to outlast me.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	as per the 'infinite hitpoints' article from mircea_popescu's www, aha	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	the idiot can not lose, because by the time he's lost he's gone. where's the neobee schmuck ?	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	not around, that;s where.	[22:10]
asciilifeform	or my personal favourite 'cockroaches will inherit the earth'	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	so in this sense, there is no "unless it does". yes, they'll die.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	they'll die anyway.	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	things are only meaningful to those capable to perceive meaning, and this ALREADY means not-them.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	in aother formulation.	[22:11]
mircea_popescu	if multiverse, and if in ALL possible verses picking a on X quesdtion results in annihilation, this means exactly nothing. the a pickers aren't in any way different from the non-a pickers.	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	"oh, the end of their world is visible from our world". a) no, it isn't ; b) so ?	[22:12]
mircea_popescu	in a very amusing (to me) twist, this is actually in the fucking patristics (the wanna-be mishnah of xtianity). "your reward be not of this world" etc.	[22:16]
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asciilifeform	i thought that was a standard 'jam tomorrow'	[22:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00047798 = 11.5193 BTC [+]	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	so you did.	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	but if there's one criticism that can not be put at the feet of the scholasticis, it is superficiality.	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	it's a very plain statement that dunning-kruger, and consequently, the reward for being not an idiot is not accessible in idiot terms.	[22:18]
asciilifeform	this - yes.	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	this for some reason has to be stated.	[22:18]
asciilifeform	hell, this was even in (pre-braindamage) paul graham	[22:19]
asciilifeform	in his 'blub' article.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	generally it is a common mark of middling sanity.	[22:19]
asciilifeform	http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html << it.	[22:19]
assbot	Beating the Averages ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbsH4p )	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	but back to our point of interest : your expectation that "z80" and "pentium" costs can be meaningfully compared breaks down.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	when they can be compared, z80 loses. where they be meaningfully compared, common ground breaks down.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	so - efficient markets, yes. but only if markets. and there's no guarantee everything you imagine can be a market.	[22:20]
mircea_popescu	this is trivially understood either through geometry or high physics. there are fewer things than you can write equations for.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	recall the crashing flashlight ?	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[22:21]
asciilifeform	and yes, cost is not a scalar. but as someone who actually buys things i am led to partially differentiate. i.e. if i personally need max cpu ~quantity~ for my personal bag of money, i will be buying z80.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	and if you want maximum sploodge for your penis you buy brunettes.	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	what of it ?	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	art is art.	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17138 @ 0.00047617 = 8.1606 BTC [-]	[22:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50000 @ 0.00047526 = 23.763 BTC [-] {3}	[22:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20698 @ 0.00047798 = 9.8932 BTC [+]	[22:36]
nubbins`	sez u	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	LOL	[22:43]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.00047329 = 6.4367 BTC [-] {3}	[22:52]
BingoBoingo	Oh, nubbins` the celebrity is back	[22:52]
nubbins`	8)	[22:57]
nubbins`	autographs for only 5 tx fees	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6418 @ 0.00047262 = 3.0333 BTC [-] {2}	[23:03]
BingoBoingo	lol	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	haha	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	how much for autogripes ?	[23:29]
BingoBoingo	!t m s.butts	[23:30]
assbot	I haven't understood a single word you've said since I met you, not one single word.	[23:30]
BingoBoingo	^Free	[23:30]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20450 @ 0.00047259 = 9.6645 BTC [-]	[23:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00047556 = 6.7292 BTC [+]	[23:54]
BingoBoingo	shinohai: You around?	[23:57]
BingoBoingo	Or anyone else who wants to cut their teeth on a qntra story?	[23:57]

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