Forum logs for 14 Nov 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mike_c Today in history. Nov. 13, 2010: $0.30 2011: $3 2012: $11 2013: $410 [00:05]
mircea_popescu basically it's 10x a year, 2012 was an error, shoulda been 30 [00:06]
kakobrekla http://wikileaks.org/tpp/ [00:06]
ozbot Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) [00:06]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla ironically, i would guess by now nobody cares anymore [00:17]
mircea_popescu i don't see who can be bothered to read the 5000000 pages of crap governments write [00:17]
mike_c tl;dr - the government is screwing you [00:18]
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dub you mean your govt is screwing us [00:18]
mike_c that too. [00:18]
mike_c my govt is "the government" [00:19]
dub not for long [00:19]
dub allah willing [00:19]
mike_c hehe [00:19]
mircea_popescu i wonder if in a coupla years wikileaks type sites will have degenerated to posting unflattering shower pics of elected officials [00:22]
mircea_popescu sorta like sex tapes. [00:22]
Namworld Can someone explain me why people are replying to BTCT.co by sending me their BTC addresses so BTCT.co can send them their balance? [00:24]
Namworld Or why people email me claims to assets I never managed? [00:24]
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Namworld I am not BTCT.co [00:25]
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mircea_popescu lies [00:25]
firedrops are you sure? [00:25]
Namworld People also email me for coinroll.it and other things [00:25]
Namworld To my hotmail [00:25]
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mircea_popescu maybe your hotmail has been around. [00:25]
Namworld Which is only public on the who.is on namworld.com [00:25]
Namworld Which mean people go a long way around to reach me instead of contacting the correct and obvious person [00:26]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` send Namworld a tshirt with "other people get hotwives and all i have is this lousy hotmail" [00:26]
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Namworld What's wrong with people? [00:27]
mike_c it is also on the whois for coinroll.org [00:27]
mike_c and coinroll.info [00:28]
mike_c so that's why :) [00:28]
ThickAsThieves Namworld same things happen to me [00:28]
ThickAsThieves someone tried to redeem xbond for some CBTC [00:28]
Namworld Ah. True, I registered those. [00:28]
ThickAsThieves and they wanna know why I haven't given them their burnside PT shares [00:29]
kakobrekla you are all good as long as your btc balance is not negative. [00:29]
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ThickAsThieves from today: "hi , what is happening on havelockinvestments.com? i dont understand!!!! [00:29]
ThickAsThieves you give us dividends or not??" [00:29]
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kakobrekla no dividend for you. come back 1 year. [00:30]
nubbins` mircea_popescu: a friend's mom called me years ago wondering why her emails to her_son's_name@hotmale.com were being returned [00:30]
Namworld My BTC balance says "-5.14ohgodwhy538526" [00:30]
Namworld It's too late kako [00:30]
kakobrekla sucks! [00:30]
Namworld I've borked BTC [00:30]
mircea_popescu lol [00:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.0023925 = 0.1675 BTC [+] [00:38]
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jurov http://bitcoinism.blogspot.sk/2013/11/is-it-time-to-boycott-all-us-bitcoin.html nice commentary [00:54]
ozbot Bitcoinism: Is It Time to Boycott All US Bitcoin Companies? [00:54]
asciilifeform jurov: what we're dealing with here is the 'TOR gambit.' [00:55]
asciilifeform specifically: 1) impose ham-handed censorship 2) herd lusers into 'l33t h4ck3r privacy' honeypots 3) '???, profit.' [00:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3474 @ 0.00081953 = 2.847 BTC [-] [00:56]
firedrops 22:28 < ThickAsThieves> Namworld same things happen to me [00:57]
firedrops 22:28 < ThickAsThieves> someone tried to redeem xbond for some CBTC [00:57]
firedrops 22:29 < Namworld> Ah. True, I registered those. [00:57]
firedrops 22:29 < ThickAsThieves> and they wanna know why I haven't given them their burnside PT shares [00:57]
firedrops 22:29 < kakobrekla> you are all good as long as your btc balance is not negative. [00:57]
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firedrops 22:29 < ThickAsThieves> from today: "hi , what is happening on havelockinvestments.com? i dont understand [00:57]
firedrops 22:29 < ThickAsThieves> you give us dividends or not??" [00:57]
firedrops 22:30 < kakobrekla> no dividend for you. come back 1 year. [00:57]
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jurov firedrops we have log for this [00:57]
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firedrops dropped my shit, sorry y'all [00:59]
firedrops just posted to bash, then splat [01:00]
firedrops my omlete and bacon is fine, dont worry [01:00]
mircea_popescu the delightful ignorance of these two week old bloggers. [01:01]
mircea_popescu resistence to us crap is basically... mpex. [01:01]
mircea_popescu how they manage to write five pages of nothing that keeps changing every three months but somehow manages to miss that basic point i will never know. [01:02]
mircea_popescu he wants me to boycott "us bitcoin companies" meanwhile his blog runs on google. just that... [01:03]
firedrops bitcoin happens to people in stages, most of which are false confidence in their understanding of it. I'm in stage 6, false confidence in my understanding of it. [01:03]
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mircea_popescu wd! [01:03]
mircea_popescu !b 2 [01:04]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1460782/plain/) [01:04]
firedrops ah, there commands for that. good to know. [01:05]
firedrops there are* [01:05]
mircea_popescu what, you thought you knew irc ? :D [01:06]
mircea_popescu anyway, that's all for me. gl all. [01:06]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2013/10/bitcoin-incertitudes.pdf [07:19]
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mircea_popescu why pdf ;/ [07:23]
asciilifeform ask them, not me. [07:23]
asciilifeform t'were me, it'd be ascii art cover to cover. [07:23]
mod6 heh. yeah, was just looking for a PDF URL to HTML/TEXT web thingy. [07:24]
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mod6 http://dpaste.com/hold/1461271/ [07:28]
ozbot dpaste: #1461271: The Unreasonable Fundamental Incertitudes [07:28]
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mircea_popescu ty [07:39]
mod6 np [07:39]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/lvm-lsa-i1ownership-5/ [07:40]
ozbot LvM L&Sa - I.1.Ownership (5) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [07:40]
mircea_popescu "It has very recently gained excessive [07:40]
mircea_popescu popularity" [07:40]
mircea_popescu why show bias in the first para when you're trying to play the researcher ? [07:40]
mircea_popescu "In this paper we point out that there are fundamental incertitudes which depend very strongly on the bitcoin specification and that this is specification is NOT written in stone, it is likely to change" [07:41]
mircea_popescu well, so much for having a clue. [07:41]
mircea_popescu "The energy efficiency of bitcoin miners have already been improved by a factor of about 10,000 since bitcoin have been invented, and we claim that further improvements are inevitable. Better technology is bound to be invented, would it be quantum bitcoin miners." [07:42]
mircea_popescu i'm sorry, this isn't a paper. i'm not sure theverge would publish this muck. [07:42]
asciilifeform the optimization shortcuts described towards the end are quite genuine. [07:43]
asciilifeform and, imho, might be of interest to some here. hence the link. [07:43]
mircea_popescu sigh. ok, i dig [07:43]
dub theres a lot of stupid shit in there [07:44]
mircea_popescu Back then it was 256 million times easier than today to solve CISO puzzles. Many early adopters of bitcoin have made a lot of money. One of the well-known problems of bitcoin is the problem of hoarding: a substantial proportion of bitcoins in circulation is not used. [07:44]
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mircea_popescu i'm half way through [07:45]
mircea_popescu dude who the fuck writes like this, this is not highschool yet. [07:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform give a greppable string will you ? [07:45]
mircea_popescu before i get an aneurism [07:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.00575 = 0.115 BTC [-] {2} [07:46]
asciilifeform section 9.3 [07:46]
mircea_popescu "We recall from Section 6.2 that new bitcoins can be created when the miner succeeds to hash some data from the bitcoin network together with a 32-bit random nonce and" [07:46]
mircea_popescu ARBITRARY. not fucvking random [07:46]
mircea_popescu these aren't the same rthings omfgbbq [07:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.63111363 = 6.9422 BTC [+] {4} [07:47]
asciilifeform nothing earth-shaking. if anyone was hoping for a working 'satcoin', you'll be disappointed. [07:48]
mircea_popescu An interesting peculiarity in Bitcoin specification and source code is that hashing with full SHA-256 is applied twice. This may seem as excessive: one “secure” hash function should be sufficient. It also makes our job of optimizing bitcoin mining substantially more difficult. [07:48]
mircea_popescu yea you dorks. totally "excessive". herp. [07:49]
mircea_popescu who ARE these people. [07:49]
mircea_popescu this alleged "paper" should be hashed. [07:49]
asciilifeform not uncommon, among academic noobs, to grok the 'how' but not the 'why'. [07:50]
mircea_popescu statistically speaking it's likely to increase its meaningfullness [07:50]
mircea_popescu We can reduce the cost factor from 3.0 to 2.0 almost instantly by making the following observation. In the process of bitcoin mining the first compression function does not depend on the random nonce on 32 bits. Therefore we can compute it once every 232 nonces. On average we need [07:50]
mircea_popescu afaik this has been done since the fpga days right ? [07:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 10805 @ 0.0001399 = 1.5116 BTC [-] [07:50]
asciilifeform yeah actually even my own toy fpga miner had this one. [07:51]
mircea_popescu We basically want to force values created at rounds t = 60 and 61 to two fixed constants which come from the SHA-256 IV constants, and which would produce zeros at the output. For this most of the time we just need to compute the first 61 rounds out of 64 [07:52]
mircea_popescu and we can early reject most cases. Only in 1/232 of cases we need to compute 62 rounds in the third compression function. Then only in some 1/260 of cases where we have actually obtained at least 60 zeros, we would need compute the full 64 rounds. [07:52]
mircea_popescu this actually has been discussed but not included by at least two asic developers [07:52]
mircea_popescu because it came out that all the logic needed to do this would actually increased cost and lowered efficiency of the chips [07:52]
asciilifeform interesting! [07:53]
mircea_popescu tho in fairness maybne they were braindamaged/didn't have the time to do it properly [07:53]
mircea_popescu and it may still work [07:53]
mircea_popescu still the improvements are slight. save 2.x rounds out of 64, that's a 3% gain [07:53]
mircea_popescu anyway, the c oncept of amortised cost of hashes used in efficiency of computation calculations is a sound way to go about things. [07:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 81 @ 0.00575 = 0.4658 BTC [-] [07:55]
mircea_popescu Overall we see that we can save 18 additions: 16 additions have a constant equal equal to zero, and 2 more additions with 0x80000000 which can be replaced by flipping one bit, the cost of which is very small (in hardware) when compared to the cost of one addition. [07:56]
mircea_popescu this actually was rejected by everyone on the grounds that it makes the stuff so easily brickable by even the slightest cosmetic changes in the "spec" (ie, code) that it's not worth it. [07:57]
mircea_popescu perhaps that call was based on the mistaken belief that asics are more durable goods than toilet paper, which has been proven not to hold. [07:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'durable' == 'holds the magic smoke in', or in a more general sense of continued usefulness? [07:58]
mircea_popescu anyway. this article should be condensed into a two page job application with an asic producer and ditch all the "research" presumptiousness and otherwise opining. [07:58]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the latter. [07:58]
mircea_popescu "your asics won't be useful anyway by the time anyone gets around to getting changes in that brick it" [07:59]
mircea_popescu blablablaherpderp we know shit, "Until now it has not happened because apparently only very small percentage of active mining devices were switched off on 29 November 2012." [08:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: quite a few of the irritants in this piece are actually overall features of the 'mandatory kabuki theatre' of anglo academe. [08:01]
mircea_popescu there must be urgently implemented a pillory system in academia. the top 10% get funding, AND the bottom 10% get tgo spend a day nude with their necks in the thing. [08:02]
asciilifeform right now 'top 10%' is top 10% kabuki artists. [08:02]
asciilifeform self-graded, naturally [08:02]
asciilifeform 'self-licking icecream cone.' [08:02]
mircea_popescu yes asciilifeform , but bitcoin is here to tell academia how to do academia, [08:02]
mircea_popescu NOT for academia to tell it how to do bitcoin [08:02]
asciilifeform do anything vaguely mathematical, and these folks will be there, as surely as termites. [08:03]
mircea_popescu i suppose going forward this universal subservience of all people, institutions, mechanisms and consjiderations to bitcoin will be the hardest thing for the population to digest. [08:03]
asciilifeform not any harder, really, than 'subservience' to... electricity. [08:04]
mircea_popescu not any harder to implement [08:04]
mircea_popescu a lot harder to digest. [08:04]
asciilifeform the odd drunk still sizzles on the third rail. [08:04]
mircea_popescu unlike electricity, bitcoin has deep philosophical implications. like say, gravity [08:04]
mircea_popescu "you may not fly" [08:04]
asciilifeform 'invisible things that you can't beg forgiveness from will kill and mutilate you at a mere touch' [08:05]
mircea_popescu well... make you starve. [08:05]
asciilifeform i imagine it wasn't easy to swallow [08:05]
mircea_popescu i doubt the girl's story will actually come i nthat form to the fore. [08:05]
mircea_popescu a i see what you mean [08:05]
mircea_popescu perhaps. [08:05]
asciilifeform i was actually thinking of mains cables. but yes, that too [08:05]
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asciilifeform 'the cold equations.' [08:06]
mircea_popescu no see, because the mains have good precedent in the fire. [08:06]
mircea_popescu gravity, fire, these are things that beat so many cavemen across the skull it's ancestral memory [08:06]
asciilifeform partly: fire is hot, smoky, generally won't incinerate you immediately (humans aren't all that flammable) [08:07]
mircea_popescu true. [08:07]
asciilifeform mains cable gives no warning, and this led to quite a few incidents early on. [08:07]
mircea_popescu i guess we will likely live to see the best part of it anyway. [08:07]
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mircea_popescu actually, perhaps marie curie's experience is a better example. [08:07]
mircea_popescu people certainly haven't well digested nuclear decay, yet [08:08]
asciilifeform the overall observation: the number of 'cold equations' a garden-variety human is expected to understand will... increase. [08:08]
mircea_popescu and it's nowhere nearly as important a thing. [08:08]
mircea_popescu this is true. merely being retarded is a bar constantly moving up. [08:08]
mircea_popescu this, incidentally, is why i see no future for the family of two. by the time all is said and done, living in new york today requires the pooled resources, chiefly intellectual, of about six average kids [08:09]
asciilifeform think of the various skills a modern child is taught to avoid being run down by cars. [08:09]
mircea_popescu even if they live in a sort of gay house, with a house mother, it still takes > 3 [08:09]
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mircea_popescu no ai yet. [08:10]
mod6 ikr :[ [08:10]
mircea_popescu but i can envision when we finally get ai that'll be how s.ai will sell it : [08:11]
mircea_popescu "enjoy the luxury of living alone" [08:11]
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mod6 $vwap ^OIX [08:30]
mpexbot mod6: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. [08:30]
mod6 @#$^%!! [08:31]
mircea_popescu uh [08:31]
mircea_popescu !t m ^oix [08:31]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 206.86454175 / 206.86454175 / (2500 shares, 1,367.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [08:31]
mircea_popescu $vwap s.mpoe [08:31]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: S.MPOE 1 day: average: 0.00081988 high: 0.00082588 low: 0.00081013 volume: 212830 btc: 174.49555227 7 day: average: 0.00083956 high: 0.00088996 low: 0.00081013 volume: 1185417 btc: 995.22742714 30 day: average: 0.00082941 high: 0.00088996 low: 0.00080585 volume: 2942358 btc: 2440.41083907 [08:31]
mod6 oh. hmm [08:32]
mod6 thx :] [08:32]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell smickles any idea why mpexbot chokes on $vwap ^OIX ? everything else works [08:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [08:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.63 = 5.04 BTC [-] [10:21]
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gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 430.0, Best ask: 430.00499, Bid-ask spread: 0.00499, Last trade: 430.0, 24 hour volume: 45474.62406800, 24 hour low: 386.10501, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 419.2816 [10:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9810 @ 0.00082527 = 8.0959 BTC [+] {3} [10:34]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [10:43]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 431.18004, Best ask: 432.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.81996, Last trade: 432.0, 24 hour volume: 45739.91897719, 24 hour low: 386.10501, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 419.45582 [10:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13794 @ 0.00082618 = 11.3963 BTC [+] {2} [11:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36550 @ 0.00082901 = 30.3003 BTC [+] {4} [11:51]
jurov ;;bc,stats [11:54]
gribble Current Blocks: 269561 | Current Difficulty: 5.109297380161518E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 270143 | Next Difficulty In: 582 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 9 hours, 12 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 592737070.549 | Estimated Percent Change: 16.01146 [11:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.0057111 = 0.2741 BTC [+] [12:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00082623 = 9.5016 BTC [-] {2} [12:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7646 @ 0.00082479 = 6.3063 BTC [-] [12:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 2991 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2991 BTC [-] {7} [12:33]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00081996 = 4.3458 BTC [-] [12:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1754 @ 0.00081996 = 1.4382 BTC [-] [12:50]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6387 BTC [+] [13:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3520 @ 0.00082204 = 2.8936 BTC [+] [13:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3389 @ 0.00082141 = 2.7838 BTC [-] {2} [13:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00082417 = 1.9368 BTC [+] [13:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63875 BTC [+] [14:16]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 442.6001, Best ask: 442.8, Bid-ask spread: 0.19990, Last trade: 442.8, 24 hour volume: 43693.86866745, 24 hour low: 397.1, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 423.88755 [14:32]
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mircea_popescu http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/11/13/goodbye-america-hosurance-edition/ [14:39]
ozbot Goodbye, America: Hosurance Edition | Chateau Heartiste [14:39]
mircea_popescu the obama ads are hysterical really [14:39]
mircea_popescu i dunno why people are so butthurt over how stupid they are. of course they're stupid, nobody smart voted for the guy. [14:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1478 @ 0.00082929 = 1.2257 BTC [+] [14:42]
ThickAsThieves the ad is obv fake [14:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 2538 @ 0.0001311 = 0.3327 BTC [+] {2} [14:50]
mircea_popescu except not. [14:50]
mircea_popescu you think it is fake, and you'd think it'd have to be fake. [14:51]
ThickAsThieves it was created by an amatuer that's for sure [14:51]
mircea_popescu well, whoever was left after they hired among libertards for website coding skills. [14:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [XBOND] [PAID] 0.56061000 BTC to 1`121`220 shares, 50 satoshi per share [15:00]
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mircea_popescu confucius says, as bitcoin transitions from 1k to 1mn usd per it will be impossibel to discern whether usg idiocy or bitcoin coolness is pushing the change [15:02]
mircea_popescu this will be our debate all through the rest of this decade. [15:02]
ThickAsThieves looking arounf that thanksobamacare thing is not funded by taxpayers other than that the two partners that made it are nonprofits and might not pay taxes [15:03]
ThickAsThieves both claim to support access to healthcare [15:04]
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ThickAsThieves so in that sense the ads probably are "real" [15:04]
ThickAsThieves but not from obama [15:04]
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mircea_popescu right. they're not from obama, nor are they from tradefortress or pirate. [15:05]
ThickAsThieves indeed [15:05]
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mircea_popescu because that's how things work now. you can insulate yourself from anything. [15:05]
mircea_popescu i suppose corporations will catch on of this magic soon, and we'll see ads for monsanto made by shells [15:05]
mircea_popescu that then can get sued into the shit and declare bankruptcy [15:06]
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ThickAsThieves i did some writing that i never finished about the concept of "badvertising", basically the concept of using and making intentionally amateurish ads to establish certain types of trust and fans [15:07]
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ThickAsThieves some products/services may benefit from looking "cheap" or non-corporate etc [15:08]
mircea_popescu definitely your garden variety forum investment is working on that premise. [15:08]
ThickAsThieves when working with some nonprofits, they would pay extra for paper stock that appeared cheaper to the board and donors [15:10]
ThickAsThieves even though it costed hundreds more [15:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1290 @ 0.0001399 = 0.1805 BTC [-] [15:10]
mircea_popescu ha [15:11]
ThickAsThieves because they didnt wanna deal with people saying "if you can afford such nice brochures, why should we donate" [15:11]
ThickAsThieves cost, sorry [15:11]
ThickAsThieves actually costed shows up [15:11]
ThickAsThieves so fu [15:11]
ThickAsThieves glossy paper is of course cheaper then similar quality uncoated paper, supply & demand [15:12]
ThickAsThieves than [15:13]
ThickAsThieves :) [15:13]
ThickAsThieves it's the grammar and spelling that is most important in communicating with others [15:13]
ThickAsThieves as long as you missed the point, we're good [15:13]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what are you on about ? [15:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.2 = 1.2 BTC [-] [15:18]
ThickAsThieves just talking too much, dont mind me [15:19]
firedrops ;;ticker [15:21]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 437.1, Best ask: 441.45498, Bid-ask spread: 4.35498, Last trade: 441.46499, 24 hour volume: 43185.07471663, 24 hour low: 400.0, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 424.97586 [15:21]
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benkay ;;later tell nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-11-2013#375253 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2013#379309 huffy old men. [15:33]
gribble The operation succeeded. [15:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62343333 = 1.8703 BTC [-] {2} [15:43]
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benkay met a girl last night claiming she gets 12 local fiat units to the microshitbuck. my first thought was "well obviously this is from your 'boyfriend' who is actually just giving you a great rate because hey hm how much for a blowjob honey?" [15:46]
mircea_popescu no, actually it's about what you get for dollars there, if you're not a gringo [15:46]
benkay and *then* i started thinking 'oh shit the blue dollar has to be depressed relative to the actual demand' [15:47]
benkay no way would actual traders let that metric reflect reality [15:47]
mircea_popescu duh. [15:47]
mircea_popescu your girl is just getting the raw deal [15:47]
benkay hey man i'm new at this [15:47]
mircea_popescu both in the sheets and at the booth. [15:47]
benkay so now i gotta teach her about bitcoin [15:48]
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benkay either that or come back a bunch. [15:49]
ThickAsThieves G.ASICMINER/AM100 Share Transfer & Conversion Services - Deadlines Extended: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg3580309#msg3580309 [15:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62310001 BTC [-] [15:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.635 = 8.255 BTC [+] [16:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 300 @ 0.00589491 = 1.7685 BTC [+] {5} [16:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6231 = 1.8693 BTC [-] [16:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 6500 @ 0.00011999 = 0.7799 BTC [+] {4} [16:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MG] 6926 @ 0.00013 = 0.9004 BTC [-] [16:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.0057201 = 0.4004 BTC [-] [16:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 7 @ 0.042 = 0.294 BTC [-] [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.25000003 = 1 BTC [-] {2} [16:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.2484 = 1.242 BTC [-] {5} [16:27]
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firedrops http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-11-14/ibm-offers-jeopardy-winner-watson-as-cloud-application-tool [16:31]
firedrops gribble could pass a turing test in the future? [16:31]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [16:32]
firedrops nanotoob o_O [16:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.24333335 = 1.46 BTC [-] {5} [16:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 0.04141 = 0.2071 BTC [-] [16:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0010402 = 0.104 BTC [-] [16:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10050 @ 0.0008297 = 8.3385 BTC [+] {2} [16:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 110 @ 0.0057112 = 0.6282 BTC [-] {2} [16:50]
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firedrops any bitfinex users want to give me your referrer code? i'm sure you get somethign for it [16:55]
firedrops i'm about ot sign up [16:55]
firedrops i'll give it a bit to see if anyone wants to [16:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00574032 = 0.5568 BTC [+] {4} [16:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4939 @ 0.000139 = 0.6865 BTC [-] [16:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.13 = 1.3 BTC [+] [17:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 998 @ 0.00024986 = 0.2494 BTC [+] {3} [17:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 20 @ 0.04141 = 0.8282 BTC [-] [17:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 82 @ 0.04165459 = 3.4157 BTC [+] {2} [17:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 19 @ 0.13499999 = 2.565 BTC [+] {2} [17:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 725 @ 0.000139 = 0.1008 BTC [-] [17:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.633 BTC [+] [17:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6345 BTC [+] [17:17]
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jurov so, ukyo is apparently holding bitcoins hostage since nov 5 , if not earlier [17:20]
kakobrekla BITCOIN TERRORIST! [17:21]
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jurov Should have coded my own diff futures exchange instead of these btct/bf trouble. [17:23]
kakobrekla cant you do it on coinbr? [17:23]
jurov yes, but coinbr does not have trade engine [17:23]
jurov after all this shit it likely will. [17:24]
kakobrekla well all things concidered, you only need two cans and a string to do it [17:24]
jurov yeah, doing a select * from orders b, orders s where ... [17:25]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1152 @ 0.0001345 = 0.1549 BTC [-] {3} [17:30]
kakobrekla nah [17:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.0001345 = 0.4035 BTC [-] [17:31]
kakobrekla just write all orders in db then run cron once a minute [17:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16101 @ 0.00083 = 13.3638 BTC [+] [17:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 660 @ 0.0022021 = 1.4534 BTC [-] {8} [17:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 645 @ 0.00104019 = 0.6709 BTC [-] [17:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 433 @ 0.00213013 = 0.9223 BTC [-] {6} [17:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00212501 = 0.425 BTC [-] {4} [17:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 783 @ 0.00104018 = 0.8145 BTC [-] {3} [17:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 265 @ 0.00211314 = 0.56 BTC [-] {4} [17:36]
jurov yeah, an match them by grep and awk [17:36]
Apocalyptic .d [17:36]
ozbot 510929738.01615 | Next Diff in 546 blocks | Estimated Change: 15.5368% in 3d 4h 45m 58s [17:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00571857 = 0.2459 BTC [-] {2} [17:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1060 @ 0.00206967 = 2.1939 BTC [-] {6} [17:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00200001 = 0.2 BTC [-] [17:40]
benkay jurov kakobrekla u guise so funny [17:44]
jurov fun is survival necessity in this environment [17:45]
nubbins` so i printed a logo on my favourite sweater last night [17:47]
nubbins` ran it through the dryer [17:47]
nubbins` the hood was all bunched up, and i scorched holes in it :( [17:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.0010402 = 0.104 BTC [+] [17:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00200001 = 0.2 BTC [-] [17:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.24500004 = 6.125 BTC [+] [17:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1096 @ 0.002 = 2.192 BTC [-] {4} [17:49]
firedrops that sucks, nubs [17:49]
firedrops how's your dryer? didn't get splotched with the logo? [17:49]
nubbins` nah, only damage was to the hood [17:50]
jurov the logo will get copied to everything he'll dry from now on [17:50]
nubbins` it's a conveyor dryer, the logo gets placed on a belt facing up towards a heating element [17:50]
firedrops so a toaster? [17:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00570493 = 0.8557 BTC [-] {5} [17:52]
lurkwingduck Domino's Pizza oven ;) [17:52]
firedrops Ding! your logo is hot and fresh! [17:52]
nubbins` pretty much the same idea [17:53]
nubbins` http://imgur.com/TXvyj97 [17:53]
nubbins` :( [17:53]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [17:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1215 @ 0.00195652 = 2.3772 BTC [-] {4} [17:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14610 @ 0.00013989 = 2.0438 BTC [+] {2} [17:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 280 @ 0.00567247 = 1.5883 BTC [-] {6} [17:54]
nubbins` not a big deal, the hood has a lining. but still. gonna look pretty ratty next time i wash it [17:54]
firedrops hardcore holes [17:54]
firedrops sell it as a defekt item, 75% off! [17:55]
firedrops or send it to me, I like hoodies with holes. [17:55]
nubbins` nah, it's still pretty rad looking [17:55]
nubbins` i'm gonna keep it [17:55]
firedrops toast some more, sell them and 2x as 'Worn Look' [17:56]
nubbins` heh [17:56]
firedrops emo kids love that shit [17:56]
nubbins` "distressed print" [17:56]
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nubbins` aka "i couldn't be bothered to learn how to print properly" [17:56]
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nubbins` "so i add grunge texture to all my source images to cover up my poor technique" [17:56]
firedrops learning by fails is also learning. [17:56]
firedrops just expensive and time consuming. [17:57]
nubbins` oh look, a new version of xquartz [17:57]
nubbins` firedrops, i learned much by many fails [17:57]
nubbins` to not fail is the exception for the first ~2 years of any craft [17:57]
nubbins` most people don't get past that stage before giving up [17:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.0019 = 0.228 BTC [-] [17:58]
firedrops yup [17:58]
firedrops must enjoy the fails for their gifts [17:58]
nubbins` you learn quickly when each fail costs you $$, too [17:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1024 @ 0.00184927 = 1.8937 BTC [-] {3} [17:59]
jurov can't the hood be replaced? [18:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 3560 @ 0.00171432 = 6.103 BTC [-] {4} [18:00]
nubbins` beyond my skill level, pascale might be able to [18:01]
jurov lol worn look... "oh previous owner got jailed for arson" [18:01]
nubbins` it's my own personal garment, about 6 months old [18:01]
nubbins` i'll prolly just keep it as-is [18:01]
nubbins` jurov, lel [18:02]
nubbins` "i picked this up at a police auction" [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00171003 = 0.171 BTC [-] {2} [18:02]
jurov oh this reminds me i have my nsa shirts at post office [18:02]
jurov brb [18:02]
nubbins` oh great! kako got his yesterday [18:02]
asciilifeform got mine yesterday. [18:03]
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nubbins` how's the fit? [18:04]
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asciilifeform nubbins`: good fit. thanks [18:04]
nubbins` great [18:04]
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firedrops dammit I missed the shirts. [18:06]
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firedrops who's got the design link? [18:07]
nubbins` http://trilema.com/2013/snsa-cardano-pricing-other-statements/ [18:08]
ozbot S.NSA - Cardano pricing, other statements pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [18:08]
nubbins` modelled by yours truly [18:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00083 = 2.739 BTC [+] [18:08]
firedrops thanks [18:09]
firedrops love that design, it didn't chagne from original then? [18:09]
nubbins` flipped the rj-45 horizontally to match the perspective of the hand [18:10]
nubbins` otherwise unchanged [18:10]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 256 @ 0.0055006 = 1.4082 BTC [-] {7} [18:11]
firedrops good change, it did look a little funny [18:12]
nubbins` so my straight-laced roomie comes up to me last night and says "i want to buy $2k worth of bitcoin! can you help me?!" [18:13]
nubbins` mild surprise on my end [18:13]
nubbins` rest of the evening was peppered with periodic price updates [18:14]
nubbins` "it's at 406 now! aaah!" "i know" [18:14]
firedrops hahaha [18:15]
firedrops shoulda let him wait for the bounce [18:15]
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nubbins` the man was insistent! [18:17]
nubbins` in fairness, i did fill him with a healthy dose of paranoia [18:17]
firedrops good, also who knows where the bounce is... i don't. [18:17]
dexX7 if he's in for the longer game, now is still a good time to buy [18:17]
firedrops yup. [18:18]
nubbins` he said ~5+ years [18:18]
firedrops then hell yes [18:18]
firedrops buy all now, sell your car, buy into btc, take the bus. [18:18]
firedrops :) [18:18]
nubbins` s/bus/bike [18:18]
nubbins` anyway, carl sagan's 79th birthday would have been november 9 [18:19]
nubbins` just a couple of days before btc hit $420 [18:19]
nubbins` which leads us to http://karmajello.com/postcont/2013/05/carl-sagan-cannabis-perception.jpg [18:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8333 @ 0.0001399 = 1.1658 BTC [+] [18:27]
firedrops good quote. so glad to be in a reasonable state. got my medical card. thank jebus, no more stressin'. [18:27]
nubbins` hey, congrats [18:28]
nubbins` sagan's final interview: http://youtu.be/jod7v-m573k [18:28]
jurov the xl one fits very well [18:30]
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nubbins` great! [18:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2300 @ 0.00083 = 1.909 BTC [+] [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.6234 = 3.7404 BTC [-] {2} [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1612 @ 0.0001399 = 0.2255 BTC [+] [18:31]
nubbins` the neck tags also rip off very easily and cleanly, if you wish to do so [18:31]
jurov looking forward to stick or slush seeing it :DDD [18:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62303333 = 1.8691 BTC [-] {2} [18:32]
jurov pity the second on is M.. don't know a female that would like to wear it (maybe a child, but... dunno about parental approval) [18:33]
nubbins` bring it to a bar the next time you go out ;) [18:35]
nubbins` heck, sell it! it's yours, you can do whatever you want with it [18:35]
jurov i promised to give it to wao, my partner in crime.. but he's got even bigger frame :( [18:36]
wao-ender wop wop [18:37]
wao-ender oh, bnb shirts? [18:37]
wao-ender oh, s.nsa [18:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 23000 @ 0.00014 = 3.22 BTC [+] [18:38]
nubbins` you could always sew it onto a sweater like a crust-punk [18:38]
nubbins` http://24.media.tumblr.com/f800c731839e964851f35cfab84eabce/tumblr_mewdggcccp1ruvfeqo1_500.jpg [18:38]
jurov lol [18:39]
wao-ender v0v, someone already selling real-estate for bitcoins [18:41]
wao-ender at our republic. [18:41]
kakobrekla nubbins` dat male or female? [18:42]
jurov i bet F.. let's submit it to bitbet :D [18:43]
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kakobrekla bbet will also cover to fly that person to slovenia so i can verify sex rite [18:44]
jurov mybe it's mpoe-pr before she met mircea [18:44]
jurov so no flying necessary [18:44]
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kakobrekla why, she can come anyway [18:44]
jurov ofc [18:45]
kakobrekla just to be sure mp didnt miss anything [18:45]
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nubbins` kako, female [18:46]
nubbins` neck too skinny for male [18:46]
jurov and too small boobs from mpoe-pr [18:46]
kakobrekla is that a man purse on her head? [18:46]
jurov *for [18:46]
kakobrekla a tiny one [18:46]
kakobrekla a tiny european man purse on the head [18:46]
jurov no, pilot goggles [18:46]
nubbins` ^ [18:46]
kakobrekla i dont recognize that even now that you are telling me its that [18:47]
jurov or upcoming nokia clone of google glass [18:47]
kakobrekla i see leather [18:47]
nubbins` dark brown lenses [18:47]
nubbins` they're shiny! [18:47]
kakobrekla nope [18:47]
kakobrekla dont see it [18:47]
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nubbins` the arms curl around her ears [18:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00082882 = 5.4288 BTC [-] {2} [18:48]
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kakobrekla anyway, theres more important stuff to do than discussing this supposedly eyeglasses [18:48]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 436.99999, Best ask: 439.495, Bid-ask spread: 2.49501, Last trade: 439.49999, 24 hour volume: 36484.24670188, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 429.25036 [18:48]
nubbins` heh [18:48]
nubbins` just got mail from the mint! [18:49]
ThickAsThieves Reggie And The Full Effect – No Country For Old Musicians, nice album title [18:50]
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nubbins` http://imgur.com/Hp9ziNI [18:53]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [18:53]
nubbins` amazing [18:53]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [18:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 424 @ 0.00550881 = 2.3357 BTC [-] {4} [18:54]
nubbins` my first colored coin [18:55]
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ThickAsThieves now Mike Hearn is into tracking coins too? http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1qmbtu/mike_hearn_chair_of_the_bitcoin_foundations_law/ [18:56]
ThickAsThieves "To clear it, you can contact the operator of the list and say, hello, here I am, I am innocent and if anyone wants to follow up and talk to me, here's how. Then the outputs are unmarked from that point onwards. For instance, this process could be automated and also built into the wallet." [18:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.623 BTC [-] [18:56]
kakobrekla lol [18:57]
asciilifeform i can't help but wonder if i'm secretly responsible for this turd. [18:57]
kakobrekla why? [18:57]
nubbins` oh god [18:58]
nubbins` so much for fungible [18:58]
asciilifeform because of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=988 [18:58]
kakobrekla well [18:58]
Kleeck_ Is fungible pronounced like "fungus" or like "gif"? [18:58]
Kleeck_ as far as the "g" phoentic [18:58]
ThickAsThieves j [18:58]
asciilifeform i've been told that others had similar ideas long before, though. [18:58]
kakobrekla the basic idea is known as long as bitcoin exists [18:58]
nubbins` juh [18:58]
Kleeck_ ok [18:58]
kakobrekla he [18:59]
nubbins` fuck the bitcoin foundation [18:59]
Kleeck_ j as in gif got it [18:59]
nubbins` i use "guh" for gif :( [18:59]
Kleeck_ haha [18:59]
ThickAsThieves me too [18:59]
Kleeck_ lots do [18:59]
nubbins` BECAUSE EACH ONE IS A TINY PRESENT [18:59]
Kleeck_ it's wrong, but it makes more sense [18:59]
nubbins` D; [18:59]
ThickAsThieves jif sounds stupid [18:59]
ThickAsThieves plus its peanut butter [18:59]
nubbins` heh, this ^ [18:59]
kakobrekla you merricans are silly. [19:00]
Kleeck_ ^ I work with hardcore nerds. I have to say it right or get stuck in a conversation about WHY its pronounced "jif" [19:00]
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nubbins` "the highlight is only informational" [19:00]
nubbins` lelelel [19:00]
nubbins` "we totally won't use this to control the money supply" [19:00]
nubbins` Kleeck_: start rhyming it with "wife" [19:01]
asciilifeform we're due for a rerun of the '90s 'key escrow' wars, this time with btc. [19:01]
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nubbins` we need a bitcoin unfoundation [19:02]
ThickAsThieves jift news: http://bitcoinmagazine.com/8195/gyft-launches-rewards-platform/ [19:03]
ThickAsThieves who's tracking the gift card dollars? [19:03]
nubbins` we need a gyftlist to keep track [19:03]
ThickAsThieves of who's naughty and nice [19:03]
nubbins` yeah [19:03]
pankkake I propose the Bitcoin Fundament [19:03]
nubbins` i don't want to accept money from naughty people [19:03]
nubbins` for some reason [19:03]
nubbins` it's "bad money" or something [19:04]
nubbins` bbl, gotta get mobility kibs @ the vet [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.623 = 2.492 BTC [-] [19:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0055 = 0.55 BTC [-] [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.623 BTC [-] [19:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 11461 @ 0.00104 = 11.9194 BTC [-] {2} [19:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4969 @ 0.0001345 = 0.6683 BTC [-] [19:07]
ThickAsThieves USG better spend the silk road coins before they get tagged as drug money [19:10]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC [-] {4} [19:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC [-] [19:16]
imsaguy they won't implement tagged coins [19:22]
asciilifeform none of you fellows ever lived through a currency devaluation, have you. [19:22]
asciilifeform gov. asks for X oldcoins for Y newcoins. [19:23]
asciilifeform normally X>Y, and with 'limit per customer.' [19:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00574277 = 0.1034 BTC [+] {2} [19:24]
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ThickAsThieves and the world is a better place? [19:24]
asciilifeform 'we do what we must, because we can.' [19:24]
asciilifeform i've been wondering why a state-sponsored crackpot (key escrowed, etc.) altcoin has been so long in coming. [19:25]
firedrops paralyzed by fear. [19:25]
firedrops no history to guide them. [19:26]
ThickAsThieves where has all the history gone? [19:26]
firedrops general incompetence and minunderstanding of the whole concept? [19:26]
asciilifeform only a matter of time before the furher picks up the microphone and asks 'gimme your btc, get bitdollars you can pay tax with!' [19:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 9909 @ 0.0001345 = 1.3328 BTC [-] [19:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 2120 @ 0.0010401 = 2.205 BTC [+] {2} [19:27]
asciilifeform 'we'll throw those dirty btc into the sun, really.' [19:27]
firedrops truly a btc rocket [19:29]
asciilifeform they'll 'declassify' (or 'leak') documents 'proving' that btc was an nsa trial run for bitdollar [19:29]
asciilifeform 'you read it here 1st!' [19:29]
Kleeck_ "bitdollar" LOL [19:31]
asciilifeform replace 'bitdollar' with 'amero', for extra conspiratorial spice. [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [+] [19:37]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 435.00067, Best ask: 437.77999, Bid-ask spread: 2.77932, Last trade: 435.00067, 24 hour volume: 35828.36625254, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 429.6106 [19:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.622368 = 6.2237 BTC [-] {2} [19:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62221 = 3.1111 BTC [-] [19:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00082883 = 3.3982 BTC [+] [19:46]
Defiler_ Has anyone tried logging in to bitfunder today? [19:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9750 @ 0.00083 = 8.0925 BTC [+] [19:48]
imsaguy nope, why? [19:49]
Defiler_ Got an SSL warning [19:49]
imsaguy yeah, known issue [19:49]
jefito haxxed [19:49]
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Defiler_ Oh I see. I actually came in here because I have a question hopefully someone can answer. I have a couple asicminer fractional shares on bitfunder and dont know if or how I can transfer them. It's not enough for a full direct share. Anyone know of a procedure? [19:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14200 @ 0.00013999 = 1.9879 BTC [+] {4} [19:51]
imsaguy FC only does whole shares, so you'll have to move them to havelock or sell them. [19:51]
Defiler_ I was looking to transfer them to havelock. Do I have to email someone or is there a way to do this myself? [19:52]
imsaguy kakobrekla ^ [19:52]
imsaguy or is it ThickAsThieves ^ [19:53]
imsaguy I forget [19:53]
Defiler_ So they would have to do it for me [19:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.62220583 = 7.4665 BTC [-] {2} [19:55]
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imsaguy you send them the shares on bitfunder, they give you the shares on HL [19:56]
Defiler_ I see. Thanks, that helps. I'll contact them [19:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 30300 @ 0.00014 = 4.242 BTC [+] {2} [19:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6710 @ 0.0001489 = 0.9991 BTC [+] {2} [19:59]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14490 @ 0.00014183 = 2.0551 BTC [-] {6} [20:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 25647 @ 0.00014 = 3.5906 BTC [-] {7} [20:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 8938 @ 0.00014002 = 1.2515 BTC [+] {10} [20:02]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2954 @ 0.00014 = 0.4136 BTC [-] {6} [20:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 24006 @ 0.00014 = 3.3608 BTC [-] {4} [20:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6567 @ 0.00013775 = 0.9046 BTC [-] {6} [20:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3044 @ 0.00013355 = 0.4065 BTC [-] {4} [20:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3280 @ 0.00014 = 0.4592 BTC [+] {4} [20:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6339 = 1.2678 BTC [+] [20:12]
kakobrekla how dare you mixing up that shit imsaguy [20:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1550 @ 0.00013689 = 0.2122 BTC [-] {4} [20:14]
topace_ kakobrekla: are you filtering some assbot output? #havelockinvestments seems to get more data than #bitcoin-assets [20:16]
kakobrekla yes sub 0.1 btc lines get muted here [20:17]
topace_ ahh gotcha [20:17]
kakobrekla #bitcoin-assets-trades has the full output if you need it [20:17]
topace_ naa dont need it [20:17]
topace_ was just curious [20:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.6339 BTC [+] [20:17]
topace_ i was waiting on a comment on [13:14:07] [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 1 @ 0.0455 BTC [20:18]
topace_ for people to go "HMF" WTF IS THAT [20:18]
topace_ HIM--->HMF [20:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.6339 = 1.9017 BTC [+] [20:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7100 @ 0.00014 = 0.994 BTC [+] [20:23]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.1376895 = 1.3769 BTC [+] {4} [20:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 306 @ 0.00552938 = 1.692 BTC [-] {6} [20:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 131 @ 0.00540302 = 0.7078 BTC [-] {3} [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2663 @ 0.00014 = 0.3728 BTC [+] {3} [20:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 993 @ 0.00014 = 0.139 BTC [+] {2} [20:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B] [XBOND] 451 @ 0.00104 = 0.469 BTC [-] {2} [20:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7000 @ 0.00014 = 0.98 BTC [+] [20:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62221 = 1.8666 BTC [-] [20:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3414 @ 0.00014 = 0.478 BTC [+] {3} [20:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.13825714 = 0.9678 BTC [+] {2} [20:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 18 @ 0.00578609 = 0.1041 BTC [-] [20:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6600 @ 0.00014 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2} [21:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24966 @ 0.00082997 = 20.721 BTC [-] {2} [21:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00550001 = 0.2035 BTC [-] [21:14]
kakobrekla so, people are waiting for 3weeks+ for buttfunder withdrawals and still getting nothing. [21:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1445 @ 0.00014 = 0.2023 BTC [+] [21:15]
pankkake http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/1938207/http-20-may-be-ssl-only [21:16]
ozbot HTTP 2.0 May Be SSL-Only - Slashdot [21:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4243 @ 0.00083 = 3.5217 BTC [+] [21:16]
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firedrops somehow I have exactly 2 shares of ActiveMining on there. I don't recall purchasing any shares, much less $.25 worth.. [21:18]
firedrops oh well. at least no btc left there. [21:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.22500456 = 1.35 BTC [-] {4} [21:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.222 = 0.666 BTC [-] {3} [21:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.2212271 = 2.6547 BTC [-] {2} [21:45]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.22000001 = 0.88 BTC [-] [21:46]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00082676 = 10.7479 BTC [-] {2} [21:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 1 @ 0.18 BTC [-] [22:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 8 @ 0.1509375 = 1.2075 BTC [-] {3} [22:05]
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thestringpuller ;;seen benkay [22:20]
gribble benkay was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 4 hours, 36 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: jurov kakobrekla u guise so funny [22:20]
kakobrekla see what you did there [22:21]
thestringpuller kakobrekla: is bitfunder insolvent? [22:21]
thestringpuller what's the news on that? [22:21]
kakobrekla dunno [22:21]
kakobrekla maybe he kept the monies at inputs? [22:22]
firedrops ukyo *might* be according to forum FUD, but nothing tangible other than delays [22:22]
thestringpuller isn't there a bitbet involving the downfall of bitfunder? [22:22]
thestringpuller :D [22:22]
firedrops brb [22:22]
firedrops :) [22:23]
thestringpuller money to be made on people's tears [22:23]
thestringpuller always the best kind [22:23]
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firedrops don't see it [22:23]
firedrops although if icbit could go down in the next 30days..... [22:24]
thestringpuller the rise and fall of bitfunder lol [22:24]
thestringpuller isn't that where TaT was helping with an IPO for a cypress bitcoin bank? [22:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00082638 = 6.7763 BTC [-] {2} [22:29]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [22:29]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 206.86454175 / 206.86454175 / (2500 shares, 1,367.26 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [22:29]
thestringpuller hahaha [22:29]
thestringpuller woooow [22:30]
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asciilifeform golden oldie: http://nsnbc.me/2013/04/18/federal-reserve-refuses-to-submit-to-an-audit-of-germanys-gold-held-in-u-s-vaults-2/ [22:31]
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mike_c it's in there, trust us [22:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00014 = 0.28 BTC [+] [22:32]
firedrops asciilifeform: I love that one! the shit in the US is all hollow. [22:32]
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thestringpuller !ticker m s.nsa [22:32]
assbot [MPEX:S.NSA] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00019 / 0.00022021 / 0.000235 (33901 shares, 7.47 BTC), 30D: 0.0001 / 0.00010106 / 0.000235 (4129485 shares, 417.37 BTC) [22:33]
firedrops tugnsten covered with gold flake [22:33]
asciilifeform how many people even know that it is entirely possible (and inexpensive) to assay gold bars non-destructively. [22:33]
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firedrops ultrasonic is the standard, no? [22:35]
asciilifeform firedrops: right. [22:35]
thestringpuller ;;market buy 15000 [22:36]
gribble A market order to buy 15000 bitcoins right now would take 16240322.2079 USD and would take the last price up to 4999.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 1082.6881 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0064 seconds [22:36]
thestringpuller ;;market sell 15000 [22:36]
gribble A market order to sell 15000 bitcoins right now would net 5541019.2801 USD and would take the last price down to 312.1220 USD, resulting in an average price of 369.4013 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 22.1902 seconds [22:36]
thestringpuller ;;market sell 150000 [22:36]
gribble A market order to sell 150000 bitcoins right now would net 22812730.5306 USD and would take the last price down to 27.0600 USD, resulting in an average price of 152.0849 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 29.2497 seconds [22:36]
thestringpuller ;;market sell 1500000 [22:37]
gribble A market order to sell 1500000 bitcoins right now would net 23812182.4339 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0010 USD, resulting in an average price of 15.8748 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 42.0239 seconds [22:37]
firedrops sell'em! [22:37]
firedrops i'll take $15/btc again [22:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00082922 = 6.4679 BTC [+] {2} [22:45]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3570 @ 0.00014 = 0.4998 BTC [+] [22:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 13900 @ 0.00014 = 1.946 BTC [+] [22:53]
dub http://io9.com/this-is-a-video-of-a-dolphin-masturbating-with-a-decapi-1463711897 [22:53]
ozbot This is a video of a dolphin masturbating with a decapitated fish [22:53]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00191 = 0.4775 BTC [-] [22:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3400 @ 0.00014 = 0.476 BTC [+] [22:56]
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ThickAsThieves kakobrekla - i bought two of those monitors you linked the other day, already arrived. Looks great so far, no missing pixels that I can see either. [22:59]
ThickAsThieves the second one will be used in a new system to replace a 27" imac [22:59]
kakobrekla o nice. [22:59]
ThickAsThieves so i'll compare sid eby side next week [22:59]
kakobrekla did you get the matte one? [22:59]
ThickAsThieves yes [23:00]
kakobrekla aha [23:00]
kakobrekla well someone on the chan was asking how it was [23:00]
kakobrekla i think it was dexX7 [23:00]
ThickAsThieves the pedastal is a little janky [23:01]
dexX7 mom i'm on the phone atm [23:01]
ThickAsThieves but it stays in place, if not easily movable [23:01]
kakobrekla i will use 3 of these http://www.paper-markt.de/media/image/850455.jpg [23:01]
ThickAsThieves ah [23:01]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 425.171, Best ask: 428.39499, Bid-ask spread: 3.22399, Last trade: 428.29995, 24 hour volume: 34620.39393019, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 429.0124 [23:02]
kakobrekla i know [23:02]
kakobrekla moar pixels is better, just like moar shares is better. [23:03]
ThickAsThieves cheap hamburgers! [23:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7500 @ 0.00014 = 1.05 BTC [+] [23:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3873 @ 0.00083 = 3.2146 BTC [+] [23:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.634 BTC [+] [23:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00082583 = 3.7988 BTC [-] {2} [23:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 99 @ 0.00191 = 0.1891 BTC [-] [23:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62220001 BTC [-] [23:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62220001 BTC [-] [23:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 309 @ 0.00191 = 0.5902 BTC [-] [23:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1149 @ 0.00014 = 0.1609 BTC [+] [23:29]
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pigeons cute, supernode has been released from the asylum and is back on the insane/inane asylum/forum of the tubes [23:29]
dexX7 ah thanks ThickAsThieves. how's the quality? do you have the impression of "cheap asian trash"? [23:29]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 426.99999, Best ask: 428.67688, Bid-ask spread: 1.67689, Last trade: 430.0, 24 hour volume: 33899.16541206, 24 hour low: 402.54, 24 hour high: 447.49999, 24 hour vwap: 428.68 [23:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 399 @ 0.00578446 = 2.308 BTC [+] {4} [23:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 937 @ 0.00013002 = 0.1218 BTC [-] [23:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 105 @ 0.00578746 = 0.6077 BTC [+] {2} [23:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2687 @ 0.00189903 = 5.1027 BTC [-] {4} [23:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.63 BTC [+] [23:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00226 = 0.226 BTC [+] [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00578809 = 0.3183 BTC [+] [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0057881 = 0.2894 BTC [+] [23:51]
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