Forum logs for 14 Jun 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	Namworld:	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	Assuming it offers X for Y and delivers X for Y, even if X for Y is a bad proposition... it's not really a scam if it delivers exactly what someone bought. << the guy never said "give us some btc and in two years you can have 40 cents to the bitcoin"	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	if thjat were the proposition, then it'd have been just a dumb as fuck deal. even in that case, claiming it's not a scam is marginal, much in the way adding a nuclear device to your doorknob is endangerment, even if you think people shouldn't have fucked with the doorknob.	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	but all this is moot in the discussion at hand. nasty is some random dork and Blazedout419 is woefully uneducated. mpex is transparency, go read up on the corps that have been publishing their results each month for the past YEARS and so on.	[00:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00082082 = 28.3183 BTC [+]	[00:07]
jurov	kako seems i broke bitbet twatter :D	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	;;rate ognasty -1 pirate shill ; currently running a "security" that made a 60% loss over two years. a fine example of the scum that unwarrantedly imagines itself somehow part of Bitcoin.	[00:08]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user ognasty has been recorded.	[00:08]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld the original is always best.	[00:10]
Mats_cd03	does anyone want to buy my No stake in the spurs bet?	[00:10]
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Mats_cd03	qq	[00:11]
kakobrekla	jurov ?	[00:11]
kakobrekla	last bet matches what twitter sez	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	!up AlexWkz	[00:11]
-assbot-	You voiced AlexWkz for 30 minutes.	[00:11]
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jurov	kakobrekla: okay, they appeared now	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/937/south-korea-will-advance-from-the-2014-world/	[00:12]
assbot	BitBet - South Korea will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage :: 0.27 B (51%) on Yes, 0.26 B (49%) on No \| closing in 1 week 5 days \| weight: 92`292 (100`000 to 10`000)	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	apparently soccer bets getting some traction	[00:12]
*	jurov giggles	[00:13]
kakobrekla	>As bitbet grows more popular, there SHOULD be a greater number of bets imo. And that includes sports.	[00:13]
kakobrekla	is this trolling?	[00:13]
jurov	no, RFC	[00:14]
kakobrekla	:p	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	prolly just cookies.	[00:15]
kakobrekla	generally i dont like cookies. too dry.	[00:16]
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mircea_popescu	o yeah, and you're not dry yourself AT ALL	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	so this is quite understandable :D	[00:17]
kakobrekla	exactly.	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	wait i was being sarcastiq	[00:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.071 = 0.497 BTC [+] {2}	[00:19]
BingoBoingo	Prolly the ultimatum brought some action. Ultimatum or not, I just can't care about any "competition" that usually ends in a draw and hugs for everybody.	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	;;rate Ssateneth -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.	[00:20]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user Ssateneth has been recorded.	[00:20]
kakobrekla	o shit.	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thebutterzone suppose you clear asciilifeform and that way i don't have to neg you too.	[00:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:20]
kakobrekla	you gonna make him come back!	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	who ?	[00:21]
kakobrekla	well everyone at this point.	[00:21]
kakobrekla	nvm, carry on.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	cheeky the -otc derps. fucking periphery of the periphery, somehow they imagine themselves central and unique in that.	[00:23]
kakobrekla	well theres a whole charade goin on in #bitcoin-ratings :)	[00:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.071 = 0.355 BTC [+]	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	midnightmagic: your transitive rating to nano at a certain level, correct. without trust from nanotube you can't rate. << good thing they finally moved away from the total rating model, that was silly.	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	;;tslb	[00:25]
gribble	Time since last block: 17 minutes and 4 seconds	[00:25]
samO	saulimus Sebastan sgnb Shakespeare so SomeoneWeird starsoccer steven-__ SuchWow Swadq	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	;;unrate Ssateneth	[00:27]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for Ssateneth.	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	;;rate mrstickball -10 apparently kiddo thinks himself some sort of rate warlord or something.	[00:28]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user mrstickball has been recorded.	[00:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up RainMan28	[00:28]
-assbot-	You voiced RainMan28 for 30 minutes.	[00:28]
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jurov	uh oh bitbet won't replace ref cookie unless user deletes it manually? pure evil	[00:30]
jurov	i just bought bingoboingo a beer or two	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0719 = 0.2876 BTC [+]	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: this is probably the first example of the wot for +v selection failing << honestly i don't think so.	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	jurov why would it replace cookie tho ?	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	how you fight cookie stuffing if it did ?	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	ty jurov	[00:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07199999 = 0.792 BTC [+] {2}	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell Ssateneth:	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	To me, -10 is lke "this guy has definately stolen people's money, and is definately a scumbag you don't want to live near because he'll probably break into your home and steal your valuables" :P << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.	[00:31]
gribble	(later tell ) -- Tells the next time is in seen. can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.	[00:31]
assbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	gah	[00:31]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell Ssateneth: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-06-2014#717939 << maybe read http://trilema.com/2014/what-the-wot-is-for-how-it-works-and-how-to-use-it/ sometime.	[00:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:32]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[00:32]
assbot	What the WoT is for, how it works and how to use it. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:32]
jurov	i understand it's better this way, just venting	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	jurov: lol what i wanted to say? << jurov caught drunk in the logs ?	[00:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2153 BTC [-]	[00:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07249999 = 0.145 BTC [+]	[00:33]
pankkake	jurov: actually the ref cookie expires at session, I think	[00:33]
*	jurov hugs BingoBoingo, starts to sway and sing uneasily	[00:33]
jurov	pankkake: it must be persistent, i did not open his ref link today	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	jurov: and it needs 200M RLIMIT_LOCKMEM or such << yes that ;/	[00:35]
jurov	yes, it is, i tried	[00:35]
BingoBoingo	http://blockr.io/address/info/16wAZSsL8BFNFM8WCsrE8pwwFkhDErWiok	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 67 @ 0.21053601 = 14.1059 BTC [-] {12}	[00:35]
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jurov	hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	Now I imagine everyone will check their cookies for the right cookies before betting.	[00:36]
kakobrekla	check you cookies before you wreck yourself.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you're 'mad hatter' enough to have these baked, i'll send you the vectors. << i'm not. too big (thick, bulky) for my taste.	[00:36]
BingoBoingo	;;tslb	[00:37]
kakobrekla	but yeah jurov deleting would help	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo aff is kinda intended for the peeps that don't even know there's something to check	[00:37]
gribble	Time since last block: 28 minutes and 16 seconds	[00:37]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Do those peeps still have coins they aren't buring on Mastersafe and stuff like that?	[00:37]
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kakobrekla	hahaha kako spamming teh blockchain < yeah at some point somebody will do something about that.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	which peeps yu mean ?	[00:38]
jurov	that's gonna be my legacy. first b-a donation address, then this.	[00:38]
kakobrekla	lol	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07249999 = 0.2175 BTC [+]	[00:38]
kakobrekla	at least this time its not going to some schmuck	[00:38]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The peeps pete wrote on today. The kind that just might have enough coin to BitBet but burn it because their WoTs are broke.	[00:39]
jurov	lol	[00:39]
kakobrekla	or is it!?	[00:39]
kakobrekla	:D	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	did i miss something !?	[00:39]
jurov	kako it went to booze	[00:39]
kakobrekla	vodka	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo they thyemselves do not. the unfortunate noobs that they try to buddy buddy however do.	[00:39]
kakobrekla	i guess.	[00:39]
BingoBoingo	jurov: No, this is incoming for the blog's sustainment fund.	[00:39]
kakobrekla	yeah, that is the vodka BingoBoingo .	[00:39]
jurov	we all know with what stuff is the blog sustained	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	!b 3	[00:40]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1YMVM1.txt )	[00:40]
BingoBoingo	!up mdev	[00:40]
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mdev	much thanks	[00:40]
mdev	since I was banned in #bitcoin, what's your guys thoughts on the ghash.io and the 51%?	[00:41]
BingoBoingo	Well, once this USG dumping is over hopefully come hosting time next year these contributions will go for a nice handle of something while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo	[00:41]
mdev	apparently they've had over 20% for awhile and even at that level they could have done some damage with double spend had they wanted	[00:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0725 = 0.29 BTC [+]	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	mdev looked @ logs ?	[00:42]
BingoBoingo	mdev: Bitcoin is too valuable for ghash.io to do serious damage at 51% plus so long as miners are economically motivated...	[00:42]
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mdev	bingo that's what I was thinking, plus they're a legit business in london	[00:42]
fluffypony	mdev: you got banned from #bitcoin?? lol	[00:42]
mdev	no reason to risk that	[00:43]
mdev	fluffy yeah a month ban	[00:43]
fluffypony	that's hilarious	[00:43]
mdev	that channel is so toxic, admins so incredibly abusive lol	[00:43]
fluffypony	let me guess...you dared to question someone?	[00:43]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony yeah, you know, like Blazedout419 did here :D	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	mdev: Ghash fucks up, hopefully enough miners like money to flee.	[00:43]
pankkake	keep in mind 51% attack = 51% attack. bitcoin relies on the majority of miners being honest	[00:43]
mdev	I was having a disagreement about private companies being forced to disclose income, with various other users, and a bitcoin op stealth banned me(used a bot), for apparently a month	[00:43]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah, and nobody banned him	[00:44]
Apocalyptic	fluffypony, no, he's actually clueless and a time waster	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	also http://37.media.tumblr.com/1d760aafa3afdce5399d1bad0dd1a3cc/tumblr_n5dhn8OBzV1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[00:44]
Apocalyptic	from what I gathered	[00:44]
pankkake	stealth ban = ban but the mod stays anonymous?	[00:44]
pankkake	like bitcointalk. wonderful. that's the tool of scammers.	[00:44]
mdev	I talked to another op in private about it, and lol...that channel is just not good with them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on	[00:44]
mdev	stealth ban yeah another mod had no idea who set it	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	http://www.popsci.com/blog-network/zero-moment/lie-lady-profoundly-weird-gender-specific-roots-turing-test	[00:45]
assbot	Page Unavailable	[00:45]
pankkake	;;gpg info mdev	[00:45]
gribble	No such user registered.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	them at the helm that insult and put down everything, from andreas, to blockchain.info, to /r/bitcoin to altcoins, list goes on and on << you know this sounds like cheap copying -assets :D	[00:45]
pankkake	you should register	[00:45]
mdev	I been banned in there a lot, in the past some ops agreed the ban shouldn't have been set but didn't do anything to lift it!	[00:45]
mdev	where do I register again?	[00:45]
mdev	looked at your guys blog/site but was confusing	[00:46]
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pankkake	with gribble	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	!up FlyDuch	[00:46]
-assbot-	You voiced FlyDuch for 30 minutes.	[00:46]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.coindesk.com/bitfury-pulls-power-ghash-community-uproar/	[00:46]
assbot	BitFury Pulls 1PH/s of Mining Power from Ghash.io Amid Community Uproar	[00:46]
pankkake	mdev: http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[00:46]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lol what's that, 4% ?	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0725 = 0.2175 BTC [+]	[00:46]
BingoBoingo	Prolly	[00:46]
mdev	bitcointalk btw has some of the same mods, at the very least gmaxwell is there	[00:46]
pankkake	also, remember when Deepbit was the big bad pool? reddit was all over it too	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	http://38.media.tumblr.com/8fd9b97f80422c9c193d76beaf90983b/tumblr_n5dh15jV3l1s9e2ofo1_500.jpg schoolgirls too.	[00:47]
pankkake	ooh I like that schoolgirl	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	pankkake btc guild somehow never was the big bad guild	[00:47]
BingoBoingo	Pools rise and fall.	[00:47]
mdev	who controls gribble?	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	of these three, exactly one did a hardfork	[00:47]
mdev	seen him around	[00:47]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: oh no it was for a bit too	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	on reddit ? or here ?	[00:47]
pankkake	on reddit	[00:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 39 @ 0.07263076 = 2.8326 BTC [+] {2}	[00:47]
kakobrekla	x Pools rise and fall. < thats true but its incredibly hard to start one these days	[00:48]
pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bq4ia/for_the_love_of_bitcoin_stop_mining_at_btc_guild/	[00:48]
assbot	For the love of Bitcoin, Stop mining at BTC Guild! - They'll control the network if they reach +50% : Bitcoin	[00:48]
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BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: Well starting a pools takes a lot of coin which really limits the number of people who can do it.	[00:48]
mdev	how can btc guild control 50% if ghash.io already controls 51%?	[00:48]
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BingoBoingo	mdev: Ancient history.	[00:49]
mdev	oh	[00:49]
kakobrekla	prolly better to own gear than coin in such case.	[00:49]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla why ?	[00:49]
kakobrekla	cause pps is dead long ago	[00:49]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=13452.0	[00:49]
assbot	To all of the deepbit whiners.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	pankkake aite, you got a point	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	mdev: It's why going back in the logs and the older parts of the forum is valuable. Many of these things happened before.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla talk to me like im 5	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	which i am.	[00:49]
kakobrekla	pay per share	[00:50]
kakobrekla	that model is no longer feasible	[00:50]
mdev	BingoBoingo that's an interesting point, and bitcoin is still standing	[00:50]
mdev	so is a non-issue	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[00:50]
BingoBoingo	mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.	[00:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0728 = 0.5096 BTC [+] {3}	[00:50]
mdev	if ghash abuses everyone will know and they'll be done, they don't control the users hardware anyway	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	i thought the earlier 200 btc scandal was over pps	[00:51]
kakobrekla	now everyone is on rounds that last x of time	[00:51]
kakobrekla	and then spread the blocks found over x rounds	[00:51]
kakobrekla	prevents hopping and such.	[00:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 55 @ 0.0729909 = 4.0145 BTC [+] {2}	[00:51]
kakobrekla	pps is too dangerous imho.	[00:52]
mdev	why	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	o that mixed system, ok.	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[00:52]
pankkake	the difference with ghash.io is that most of their hashrate is also controlled by them	[00:52]
pankkake	the solution would be to stop buying that crap cloud mining!	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	pankkake and not yet amortised.	[00:52]
kakobrekla	so if you dont find block your payouts will still be too irregular and you cant do pps	[00:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07399248 = 2.2198 BTC [+] {3}	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	pankkake but derps want to be part of it EASILY	[00:52]
pankkake	what do you mean? they sell it to users, probably at a loss (for the users)	[00:53]
kakobrekla	yes	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	of course they sell it at aloss to the users	[00:53]
kakobrekla	how else would they be 50%	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	how else would they sell it lol	[00:53]
kakobrekla	if not selling such bs.	[00:53]
pankkake	so I don't understand "not yet amortised"	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	the gear they use to mine is not yet paid for.	[00:54]
kakobrekla	isnt it amortized as soon as its sold	[00:54]
kakobrekla	they dont have to buy it back	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	!up Dimsler	[00:54]
-assbot-	You voiced Dimsler for 30 minutes.	[00:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 108 @ 0.07399993 = 7.992 BTC [+] {3}	[00:54]
Dimsler	kakobrekla, so what if ghash has majority steak	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla the gear they sold is sold. i thought he meant sold hashes, ie, rented gear	[00:55]
kakobrekla	they sell you 'vrtual chips'	[00:55]
Dimsler	how the hell does that matter	[00:55]
Dimsler	what are they going to do?	[00:55]
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kakobrekla	which then you trade on the market	[00:55]
kakobrekla	so once you buy that shit, they are out	[00:55]
kakobrekla	just picking the fees.	[00:55]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07400199 = 0.37 BTC [+]	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	ok, but you understand the cost for 50% of the hash is like... 2 to 500k btc	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	they've sold "virtual chips" to forum derps for 500-1k btc	[00:56]
Dimsler	lol	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	what of it	[00:56]
kakobrekla	im not arguing anything here	[00:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0747 = 0.747 BTC [+]	[00:56]
kakobrekla	brb	[00:57]
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mdev	who owns http://bitcoin-otc.com/ ?	[00:57]
assbot	#bitcoin-otc	[00:57]
pankkake	mdev: nanotube	[00:57]
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mdev	dang you guys really invested in #bitcoin stuff huh	[00:58]
mdev	same bot, same tech, same owners stuff	[00:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00081945 = 15.6925 BTC [-]	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	mdev there's a world out there made of agglomerated shitheads, who imagine themselves innovators and revolutionaries, but in practice live out of not-invented-here syndrome and bad pr.	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	the world in here is quite opposite. if someone does something well everyone breathes a sigh of relief and uses it.	[01:00]
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FlyDuch	guys can i sell btc for ltc here	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	because life's too short to re-do all the shit all the time	[01:00]
pankkake	!down FlyDuch	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	FlyDuch if you can find someone who cares to	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	!up FlyDuch	[01:01]
-assbot-	You voiced FlyDuch for 30 minutes.	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	best use gribble's sale function.	[01:01]
mdev	just putting a lot of trust in nanotube, i've never seen really the guy talk but I think he owns gribble as well, and is founder of #bitcoin as well	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	he's trustworthy.	[01:01]
pankkake	I don't trust him, and I backup the otc db :)	[01:01]
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fluffypony	FlyDuch: #bitcoin-otc is probably a better venue	[01:03]
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pankkake	FlyDuch: why wouldn't you use one of the many exchanges to do that?	[01:06]
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Apocalyptic	he's a scammer probably	[01:08]
pankkake	yes, but since he was !uped back, I'm biting :)	[01:08]
Apocalyptic	I guess mircea is running low on entertainment tonight :)	[01:08]
mircea_popescu	i'm just reactively tolerant	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	the truth of the matter is that i don't have an actual personality, i just do the opposite of what y'all are doing.	[01:10]
mircea_popescu	so if you're all drama llamas i'ma just be mellow.	[01:10]
kakobrekla	basically he thinks we are dumb.	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	wait wut ?	[01:11]
kakobrekla	well if you are doing the opposite of something you prolly are not in agreement with it	[01:12]
pankkake	!up mdev	[01:12]
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mdev	ty	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	or maybe i just like living interesting times.	[01:13]
kakobrekla	maybe. or the other thing.	[01:13]
mircea_popescu	generally, i rarely think someone is as smart as they think themselves. similarly, i rarely think someone is as dumb as they think themselves. so there :D	[01:14]
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mircea_popescu	;;unrate mrstickball	[01:14]
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kakobrekla	ok. i could go on but i rather wont. :)	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	lol that asciilifeform - Blazedout419 situation de-escalated quickly.	[01:15]
kakobrekla	is it over nao?	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	you know, back in the 2011 days something like this'd have raged for a week	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	i think wot has come a lengthy road.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla pretty much	[01:16]
kakobrekla	good	[01:16]
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mircea_popescu	hey there.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nao you unrate TheButterZone	[01:24]
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Blazedout419	it was never a situtation really	[01:27]
Blazedout419	he just neg rated me for who only knows why	[01:27]
Blazedout419	I was just asking a few questions...then it got crazy in here :p	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	Blazedout419 it was honestly undistinguishable from trollage you gotta appreciate.	[01:28]
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Blazedout419	Well sorry if it came off that way, but that is the first time i have ever been called a troll	[01:28]
Blazedout419	I was talking to kakobrekla anyways not asciilifeform	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	which is why i was so weirded out.	[01:28]
Blazedout419	random -10	[01:29]
Blazedout419	lol maybe he is having a bad day...dunno	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	you ever seen reservoir dogs ?	[01:29]
Blazedout419	yep	[01:30]
Blazedout419	why do i have to be mr pink?	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	pretty much somethging like that	[01:30]
Blazedout419	fair enough	[01:30]
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mircea_popescu	"Joe: No way, no way. Tried it once, doesn't work. You got four guys all fighting over who's gonna be Mr. Black, but they don't know each other, so nobody wants to back down. No way. I pick. You're Mr. Pink. Be thankful you're not Mr. Yellow."	[01:30]
Blazedout419	lolz	[01:31]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=651315.msg7298625#msg7298625	[01:35]
assbot	Hall of Shame: Vote for your Favorite Worst Crypto-CEO's Ever!!	[01:35]
fluffypony	lol	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	i would hope mpoe-pr is in there ?	[01:35]
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mircea_popescu	wtf is btcquick again ?	[01:36]
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fluffypony	ascension	[01:37]
fluffypony	jerrod something or other	[01:38]
fluffypony	this Mimex listing confuses me	[01:39]
fluffypony	they list a developer under their "management team"	[01:39]
fluffypony	what is he managing?	[01:39]
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fluffypony	also, how can they have a PR person on Bitcointalk without said PR person also being listed in their "management team" alongside the developer?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	pr isn't management is it	[01:40]
fluffypony	neither is "developer"	[01:40]
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fluffypony	the "lead developer" maybe, by some definition of management I'm unfamiliar with	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	i suppose if you have a tech run a team of techs he's technically management now	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	sorta like the ex surgeon now hospital director	[01:41]
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benkay	;;gettrust benkay	[02:04]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user benkay to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 19 via 14 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=benkay \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay \| Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013	[02:04]
mike_c	dumb question: is there any way to cryptographically prove you signed something on a certain date.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	mike_c include the date.	[02:09]
mike_c	but i could sign something today with june 1st in it.	[02:09]
mike_c	i don't think there is, but thought i'd ask to make sure i wasn't missing some clever trick.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	sure there's plenty depending what you want.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	if you want to declare the date being x, include the date.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	if you want to prove the date is no earlier than X, include a block hash say.	[02:10]
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fluffypony	do it old school	[02:11]
mike_c	yeah, that works going that way. i need to go the other though.	[02:11]
fluffypony	selfie of you holding the newspaper for that day	[02:11]
fluffypony	:-P	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	Block #305659 Hash 0000000000000000118b4c104bd3cdf62ddcbcfdcb66af97aadff2116e86a842 could not be known pre 2014-06-13 23:ish	[02:11]
mike_c	like, i want to be able to say today "here is proof that I signed this on June 1st, not June 13th"	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	to prove you signed it no later than X, publish it on the record date.	[02:12]
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fluffypony	!up mdev	[02:12]
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mdev	thankyou!	[02:12]
mdev	but yeah as other have said the problem with date is you can set it to what you want, so only way to confirm the date is used a 3rd party someone trusts	[02:12]
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mdev	or various I suppose	[02:12]
mike_c	ah, so, like stuff something in the blockchain	[02:13]
fluffypony	mike_c: that's the other option	[02:13]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c blockchain, here, whatever.	[02:13]
fluffypony	or pastebin	[02:13]
mdev	bitcoin trusts no ones date, they don't use dates they use difficulty I think	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	your blog for that matter.	[02:13]
mdev	and try and average solving to 10 minutes	[02:13]
fluffypony	dependent on your penchance for risk	[02:13]
fluffypony	!down mdev	[02:14]
mdev	even though it's gone over an hour before...	[02:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.075 = 0.975 BTC [+]	[02:14]
fluffypony	mike_c: what sort of longevity do you need on it?	[02:14]
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kakobrekla	are you thinking carbon dating?	[02:15]
fluffypony	lol	[02:15]
mike_c	well, basically what i said. i want to be able to say "here's the signed statement. here is incontravertible proof i have not mucked with it since XX date"	[02:15]
fluffypony	[01:15:01] mdev: your abuse won't be tolerated	[02:15]
fluffypony	lol	[02:15]
fluffypony	mike_c: pastebin it (pastebin keeps the date) + dump the signature here	[02:16]
fluffypony	even if pastebin disappears you have a copy, and the signature can be verified by any of us that keep logs	[02:16]
mike_c	log.b-a or my blog still requires trust. blockchain doesn't, but i'm not a fan of abusing chain for this kind of stuff. pastebin i guess works. nobody would believe they were in on the scamz.	[02:16]
fluffypony	yeah but you forget	[02:17]
fluffypony	log.b-a isn't the only log	[02:17]
fluffypony	I log, and I'm sure dozens of others do	[02:17]
kakobrekla	theres the way-back-machine	[02:17]
kakobrekla	you can prolly leverage that	[02:17]
fluffypony	oh yes good point kakobrekla - you can add a link to archive.org on a particular date	[02:17]
mike_c	that thing still works? impressive.	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	still requires trusty	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	the thing is, the hardcore future problem is not resolvable, as entropy only goes one way	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	and so information accumulates.	[02:18]
fluffypony	mike_c: upload it to Maidsafe!	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	you can prove you know something and so establish it one way, but you can't prove you didn't know something.	[02:18]
mike_c	not 100% resolvable, but blockchain stuffing comes close.	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	actually stuffing it here is probably better.	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	blocks reorg. how do you know you won't end up on a dead chain	[02:19]
kakobrekla	you wait 6 confs.	[02:19]
kakobrekla	duh	[02:19]
mike_c	the thing is, it depends who you are "proving" to. since i am a b-a lackey, clearly i could get the logs mucked with. and nobody is going to care that fluffypony's copy agrees with it.	[02:20]
fluffypony	yeah I suppose	[02:20]
fluffypony	you could've paid us all	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	it's on the web lol.	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, since you're in bitcoin, clearly you could have the blockchain mucked.	[02:21]
mike_c	true. i do own ghash.	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the problem as stated is unresolvable. as the future includes the past, you can't by yourself prove you were anterior to a point. only ulteriority can be proven that hardcore	[02:22]
asciilifeform	;;unrate TheButterZone	[02:22]
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mircea_popescu	which incidentally coallesces into a very strong attack on IP	[02:22]
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mike_c	yes, you can only provide evidence, not proof.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	and also explains history.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	the original impetuus driving herodotus was his own identity.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	namely, proving he was there by including descriptions of events, which establishes his presence.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/eligius-please-pay-my-200-btc.328351 << dude the amateur law&order bullshit going on in that thread is beyond the pale.	[02:24]
assbot	==== Eligius, please pay my 200+ BTC ==== \| Bitcointa.lk	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	if your average us citizen got to run as much as a chicken coop... woe on those chickens.	[02:24]
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mircea_popescu	"Yeah. I was just kind of wondering how much trouble it could cause if hundreds of people internationally started contacting his government demanding action to investigate his bitcoin involvement and possible unethical activities."	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	this would be your random shitstain wanting to be "anonymous".	[02:25]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: too big (thick, bulky) for my taste << thought was, use elastomer, 0.4mm or so. but, sure, it'd be an amazing waste.	[02:26]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[02:26]
*	asciilifeform wouldn't, but likes carrying thought experiments to logical conclusion.	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform paper is a tenth that.	[02:26]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nein. http://imgur.com/Jhmfp3B	[02:32]
assbot	Nein! - Imgur	[02:32]
mike_c	!up mdev	[02:33]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform lol	[02:33]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc .4 / .34	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	:D	[02:35]
gribble	1.17647058824	[02:35]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/ICkWjdQuK7Q	[02:36]
assbot	Brian Hyland - Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini - YouTube	[02:36]
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asciilifeform	incidentally 'mitutoyo' makes a perfectly acceptable Schtangen-zirkul.	[02:36]
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mircea_popescu	zirkel ?	[02:37]
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asciilifeform	aye	[02:37]
asciilifeform	even comes with calibration certs	[02:37]
asciilifeform	(how many consumer widgets do?)	[02:38]
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benkay	!up mdev	[02:46]
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kakobrekla	he got pissed how this nanotube challenge is stupid, life is unfair and blah blah	[02:49]
kakobrekla	ragequit.	[02:49]
benkay	who, mdev?	[02:49]
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kakobrekla	yes	[02:49]
teward	he got banned for those antics in other channels, if my memory serves me right...	[02:49]
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teward	(he as in mdev)	[02:49]
asciilifeform	challenge?	[02:50]
kakobrekla	his words.	[02:50]
kakobrekla	you should remove the !up thing, it's an annoying system	[02:52]
kakobrekla	you're giving everyone with voice the ability to up/down voice everyone who hasn't gone through the nanotube challenge	[02:52]
kakobrekla	thar.	[02:52]
teward	the 'nanotube challenge'... he's talking about the OTC auth system isn't he...	[02:52]
kakobrekla	shit, even Blazedout419 made it...	[02:52]
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atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 143 Ask: 235 Last Price: 250 24h-Vol: 0k High: N/A Low: N/A VWAP: N/A	[03:03]
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asciilifeform	;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.'	[03:10]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:10]
asciilifeform	;;later tell BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3kwpQbVHBo << illustrated.	[03:11]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:11]
assbot	Capacitor Welder - Battery tab Welder part 1-2 - YouTube	[03:11]
asciilifeform	phun phact: when the seekrit skvirrels in wash. dc weld the manholes shut prior to Führer-motorcade, they just spot-weld little tabs.	[03:13]
asciilifeform	(how i know? they don't always remember to... take them off.)	[03:14]
*	asciilifeform didn't believe the legend of them actually doing this, until seeing the tabs. they look like pull tabs from soda cans.	[03:14]
Mats_cd03	http://www.scotusblog.com/2014/06/opinion-analysis-the-triumph-of-the-lanham-act-and-of-federal-private-rights-of-action/	[03:15]
assbot	Opinion analysis: The triumph of the Lanham Act (and of federal private rights of action) : SCOTUSblog	[03:15]
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asciilifeform	http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/files/2013/11/manhole.jpg	[03:29]
asciilifeform	^ turns out they used to do proper welds?	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	i dunno what the fuss is all about	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	so someone kills the president. big deal, bout 50mn unemployed lawyers ready to take over	[03:30]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: imponade.	[03:30]
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asciilifeform	;;google imponator imponade	[03:31]
gribble	Loper OS » The Wisdom of Erik Naggum: ; fogus: The iPad as the Ultimate Imponator: ; Erik Naggum - Wikiquote:	[03:31]
asciilifeform	damn.	[03:31]
asciilifeform	(it's dumb, of course. a shaped-charge would plasma-jet through the cover, like butter.)	[03:32]
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mircea_popescu	lol top ofthe stack	[03:37]
asciilifeform	it gets rather annoying.	[03:37]
asciilifeform	almost like inhabiting some sort of solipsist hell	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	well what else is paradise.	[03:38]
asciilifeform	lol	[03:38]
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mircea_popescu	"something important happens when a previously privileged position in society suddenly sees incredibly demand that needs to be filled, using enormous quantities of manpower. that happened to programming computers about a decade ago, or maybe two. first, the people will no longer be super dedicated people, and they won’t be as skilled or even as smart — what was once dedication is replaced by greed and sometimes she	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	er need as the motivation to enter the field. second, an unskilled labor force will want job security more than intellectual challenges (to some the very antithesis of job security). third, managing an unskilled labor force means easy access to people who are skilled in whatever is needed right now, not an investment in people — which leads to the conclusion that a programmer is only as valuable as his ability to get	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	another job fast. fourth, when mass markets develop, pluralism suffers the most — there is no longer a concept of healthy participants: people become concerned with the individual “winner”, and instead of people being good at whatever they are doing and proud of that, they will want to flock around the winner to share some of the glory."	[03:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00081686 = 15.1119 BTC [+]	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	the issues of "entrepreneurship" as practiced by the circus could not be better described.	[03:43]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, this is genius : writing things that are correct as you write them, and then stay correct as later readers apply them to circumstances you could not have foreseen.	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	this is what makes shakespeare relevant, today as in his time. this is also what makes marc andreessen irrelevant today, and permanently.	[03:44]
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benkay	we were talking about this in the context of programming user interfaces earlier today. "programmers are just so resistant to formalizing and writing down their problems, preferring instead to just hack at their computers until the have something that sort of works".	[03:45]
benkay	"well of course! there's no IDE for pencil and paper."	[03:45]
asciilifeform	whatever else could be said about herr naggum - the man had actual thoughts.	[03:45]
asciilifeform	and he dealt with problems that are rather familiar to us, if superficially unrelated.	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	the problems of democracy.	[03:47]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/ladies-and-gentlewomen-this-is-the-buttman/	[03:49]
asciilifeform	lol re: lever lock keys	[03:51]
asciilifeform	soviet import?	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	they prolly bought the machines	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	in 1991	[03:51]
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asciilifeform	funny part is, betcha no one alive remembers how to pick these.	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	im sure here they do	[03:52]
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asciilifeform	experience not so different from tasting WD-40 << mircea_popescu clearly tasted the local 'cheese' in usa	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	:p	[03:54]
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dignork	asciilifeform: do you see a problem with usb-to-usb gadget which will make usb guest read-only?	[03:58]
dignork	it seems rather trivial gadget, but i've never seen it implemented so far	[03:58]
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asciilifeform	dignork: it's a useful gadget. i have one.	[03:59]
asciilifeform	gotta implement the mass storage command stack on both ends - a bit of a bitch	[03:59]
dignork	asciilifeform: bought it or built it?	[03:59]
asciilifeform	built.	[03:59]
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dignork	might be a nice additional product for S.NSA imho	[04:00]
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asciilifeform	dignork: cardano comes with wp dip	[04:01]
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asciilifeform	i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has.	[04:03]
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asciilifeform	for those who don't - many (traditional spindle) drives still have wp jumpers. bring it out to a toggle.	[04:04]
dignork	asciilifeform: i understand the implementation complexity (not too bad), and just wonder how come it's not a marketed thing.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	there are really not many applications that will behave well with this.	[04:05]
asciilifeform	(try booting any os - not patched for this purpose - from a wp'd disk, see what i mean here)	[04:06]
asciilifeform	incidentally, there are commercial incarnations of this. used by official disk diddlers:	[04:07]
asciilifeform	;;google write blocker	[04:07]
gribble	Computer Forensics Write Blockers - Digital Intelligence: ; Write Blockers - Forensics Wiki: ; Forensic disk controller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[04:07]
dignork	but there is much more common use-case, gave a usb disk to colleague to copy a movie w.e, now i need to reformat it...	[04:07]
asciilifeform	sha256sum /dev/sdwhateverthefuck > hash.txt	[04:08]
dignork	or this	[04:08]
asciilifeform	a more interesting fact is that, if you open a consumer usb turd that has a wp toggle, it is - afaik - never connected to the flash rom proper	[04:09]
asciilifeform	but to the microcontroller, which gives os (winblows naturally) an ignorable 'pretty please don't write.'	[04:10]
asciilifeform	(why? ask the folks responsible, not me...)	[04:10]
dignork	cheaper than to add usb-to-usb host with additional logic	[04:11]
asciilifeform	nope	[04:11]
asciilifeform	no need to add another micro	[04:11]
asciilifeform	every flash rom comes with a 'we' pin	[04:11]
dignork	re: booting, if gizmo emulates CD-ROM it might work	[04:11]
asciilifeform	dignork: sandisk used to make a line of usb micros called 's3', that had this feature	[04:12]
asciilifeform	no longer sold	[04:12]
asciilifeform	but they're still common	[04:12]
asciilifeform	strike that	[04:12]
asciilifeform	U3	[04:12]
asciilifeform	http://u3-tool.sourceforge.net/	[04:12]
assbot	u3_tool - Tool for controlling U3 drives	[04:12]
dignork	U3 had wp? I had one, no switch	[04:12]
dignork	no hardware switch i mean	[04:13]
asciilifeform	no switch. but has magic partition that enumerates as cdrom	[04:13]
asciilifeform	writeable with that tool only	[04:13]
asciilifeform	so, not really hardware wp. kernel level turd can (and will) diddle an u3 partition	[04:14]
asciilifeform	but for 'civilian' use, adequate	[04:14]
asciilifeform	afaik, u3 was phased out because win-xp will autorun any volume that mounts as optical disk, to this day.	[04:15]
asciilifeform	i've a 'you could have been owned' stick i like to lend to xp users.	[04:15]
asciilifeform	(pops up happy box)	[04:15]
asciilifeform	it, incidentally, isn't a u3 stick. but a much earlier (circa '03?) chipset for which i found docs	[04:16]
asciilifeform	likewise enumerates as optical disk.	[04:16]
dignork	neat, it had password protection	[04:16]
asciilifeform	good gift for folks contemplating but not yet escaped from microshit.	[04:17]
asciilifeform	for the innocent: most usb flash drives have reprogrammable micros, with various amounts of code space.	[04:18]
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davout	"The first thing they could do would be to double-spend already confirmed transactions. For example, they could send some bitcoins to an exchange, trade them for dollars, wire the dollars to their bank account, and then announce a longer blockchain where the transfer to the exchange never happened. Now they have dollars and bitcoins." <<< such braindamage	[04:30]
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davout	https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/06/13/centralized-mining/	[04:30]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation	[04:30]
davout	oh shit, it's actually the second part that's retarded	[04:31]
davout	"There are some practical problems with carrying out that attack, though. They are likely to get caught, because it is impossible to wire money to a bank account anonymously. It seems very likely they would find themselves in legal trouble for defrauding the exchange."	[04:31]
dub	I like the css on that page, makes the blue hyperlink text not actually be a link	[04:34]
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nubbins`	what's all this about me unrating	[05:36]
nubbins`	oh, Blazedout419	[05:38]
nubbins`	;;rated Blazedout419	[05:38]
gribble	You rated user Blazedout419 on Sun Mar 2 12:59:46 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: trusted trader.	[05:38]
nubbins`	^	[05:38]
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asciilifeform	unrelated to anything whatsoever: http://lamat.me	[05:57]
assbot	Lamat - Log	[05:57]
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asciilifeform	e.g. http://lamat.me/video/BD.html	[06:02]
assbot	Breathing Dildo	[06:02]
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dignork	asciilifeform: http://www.myresearch.lt/blog/time/time.phtml	[06:06]
assbot	Measurement of changes of relative time density - Blog of Aleksey Zaitsevsky	[06:06]
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asciilifeform	that one's classic, tried it myself	[06:06]
asciilifeform	(same neg result)	[06:06]
asciilifeform	'Was born in february of 1979 in city Kiev (the USSR), grew disobedient. Favourite toys: designer's sets and matches.'	[06:06]
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mircea_popescu	i kinda suspect that usb disk wp is one of those gizmos that everyone who needs - already has. << not so.	[06:31]
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mircea_popescu	!up jeff___	[06:33]
-assbot-	You voiced jeff___ for 30 minutes.	[06:33]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: as i eventually found out - device in its simplest form (simply deny write) - is commercially available (if expensive, for reasons of golden toilet.)	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	re davout's link , "take the time to run bitcoind and p2pool." << running any recent bitcoind is much worse for bitcoin than mining on ghash	[06:34]
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mircea_popescu	yea well.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	davout but that aside i dun see much problem with it. gavin is copying the sec, hard to find fault even should you be so inclined.	[06:38]
asciilifeform	cookbook: http://www.instructables.com/id/Cheap-and-Effective-USB-Write-Blocker	[06:39]
assbot	Cheap and Effective USB Write Blocker	[06:39]
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asciilifeform	hence 'everybody who wants, has'	[06:40]
asciilifeform	just have to want enough.	[06:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 12 @ 0.0301997 = 0.3624 BTC [+]	[06:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0750005 = 0.75 BTC [-] {3}	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	well these are not the same.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	every horny teenager has a harem	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	they only have to... want enough ?	[06:41]
asciilifeform	unlike gurlz, widgets don't wiggle away if you're inept. persistence can substitute for talent in the case of trivial problem, hence the existence of 'instructables', 'make', et al.	[06:42]
*	asciilifeform checks inventory. no harem, but plenty of custom gizmos of every variety.	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but 'everybody who wants, has' ; 'just have to want enough'. ergo, not everyone who wants has.	[06:44]
asciilifeform	should've been more specific - yes	[06:44]
asciilifeform	picture if you could crib harem source code.	[06:45]
asciilifeform	(betcha there'd still be annoying buggers who 'bah, it won't build!')	[06:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0750001 = 0.75 BTC [-] {2}	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	betcha there'd be just the same folks as today for whom itwon't build.	[06:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07494005 = 0.3747 BTC [-] {2}	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	o holy shit.	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	;;google just power cycle machine no idea going on	[06:51]
gribble	“You cannot fix a machine by just power-cycling it with no ... - Trilema: ; Why won't my perpetual motion machine work?: ; Reviews of Cycling Science \| cycling science:	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	ok. do i need to say any more ?	[06:51]
*	asciilifeform would build.	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	sauce being of course tom knight, http://catb.org/jargon/html/koans.html#id3141171	[06:52]
assbot	Some AI Koans	[06:52]
asciilifeform	i think everybody alive knows that tale	[06:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07489999 = 1.8725 BTC [-]	[06:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00081793 = 8.4656 BTC [+] {2}	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile google thinks it's mine.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	1 and 2 in serp.	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	this is why never to trust google as an arbiter of relevancy.	[06:53]
asciilifeform	https://www.google.com/search?q=tom+knight+keyboard&tbm=isch	[06:53]
assbot	tom knight keyboard - Google Search	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	http://i.vimeocdn.com/video/464650250_640.jpg ?	[06:54]
asciilifeform	lol!	[06:54]
asciilifeform	wrong knight...	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	:D	[06:54]
asciilifeform	the latter (smbx) keyboards were castratos compared to knight's	[06:55]
asciilifeform	(pictured here - not mine, though i own both - http://webwit.nl/input/misc/symbolics1.jpg)	[06:55]
assbot	404 Not Found	[06:55]
asciilifeform	^ lol, loads fine here	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the “elite” that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word “exist” derives from “to step forth, to stand out”.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	i like naggum.	[06:56]
*	asciilifeform doing his best to help zombie-naggum keep walking, since '10.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	guy shoulda definitely been more of a narcisist.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	"the kind of people who have a strong desire /not/ to think become not just a liability on their immediate surroundings, they force a change in how civilization can sustain itself when these people think they should have some power, and indeed /have/ some power qua mass consumers, where everybody is in fact just like everybody else and were being a minority costs real money if not convenience.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	So why do I not want Common Lisp to be a mass market language? Because this kind of people will want to exert influence over something that is good because it has been restricted to the “elite” that has made a conscious choice to be different from /something/, indeed to /be/ something. The very word “exist” derives from “to step forth, to stand out”." << this, incidentally, is why the same splooge tries to	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	discourage exceptional people from vanity.	[06:57]
asciilifeform	hah, he was despised by half of c.l.l. for 'self-important prick'	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	so that they stupidly kill themselves, a la naggum.	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform didn't he die of neglected ulcer ?	[06:57]
asciilifeform	aye	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	that's not narcisism.	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	hypochondria is narcisism.	[06:58]
asciilifeform	but hell only knows, he had other reasons to waste away than the idiots and their blather. dumped his girl shortly before found dead, too (her blog is linked somewhere in there)	[06:59]
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mircea_popescu	nobody ever does anything because the idiots.	[07:00]
*	asciilifeform never once spoke to naggum, can't freud him	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	however! he still shoulda been more narcissistic.	[07:00]
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asciilifeform	can't help but suspect that he'dve turned up here if he still walked.	[07:01]
asciilifeform	http://naggum.no	[07:02]
assbot	Erik Naggum - Welcome	[07:02]
asciilifeform	^ his site. alive	[07:02]
asciilifeform	as he left it.	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	yea, prolly to bitch at kako	[07:03]
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asciilifeform	naggum's best work, unfortunately (or...) is unpublished - still likely grinding away at - oil refineries, weather bureaus, dark halls of norwegian finance, etc...	[07:05]
asciilifeform	http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html	[07:06]
assbot	Erik Naggum A Long, Painful History of Time	[07:06]
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asciilifeform	^ his longest published monograph, afaik	[07:06]
[]bot	Bet created: "Romelu Lukaku to win 2014 World Cup's Best Young Player" http://bitbet.us/bet/940/	[07:08]
asciilifeform	http://open.salon.com/blog/kent_pitman/2010/01/08/erik_naggum_on_atlas_shrugged	[07:10]
assbot	Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon	[07:10]
asciilifeform	^ posthumous letter, published by friend	[07:10]
asciilifeform	http://perpelle.wordpress.com/artikler-og-leserinnlegg/erik-naggum-in-memoriam	[07:11]
asciilifeform	^ his girl	[07:11]
assbot	Erik Naggum in memoriam \| Pernille Nylehns blog	[07:11]
asciilifeform	this should be enough to satisfy.	[07:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bitcoinpete views on one of the pastebins ? 190. the other ? 201.	[07:13]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	o there you are.	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	guess which got the head start and which is the funny one.	[07:13]
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bitcoinpete	impecable timing, as ever	[07:15]
bitcoinpete	people like funny	[07:15]
bitcoinpete	o wait, the nonfunny one got more	[07:16]
bitcoinpete	a well	[07:16]
bitcoinpete	still within 5%	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	500 strong community :D	[07:17]
mircea_popescu	i guess they share a lot of screens	[07:17]
bitcoinpete	the best is how they pretend i never called them out	[07:18]
bitcoinpete	tweeting about the importance of instagram minutes later	[07:19]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/michaelterpin/status/477524415245459457	[07:19]
assbot	Instagram for business: How to make the most out of timing, hashtags and more: http://t.co/uPjD35zCYK via /TheNextWeb /hashtag/socialmedia?src=hash	[07:19]
bitcoinpete	mircea_popescu: you're surely used to this "if i pretend not to notice" routine	[07:19]
bitcoinpete	coindesk kid did the same	[07:20]
bitcoinpete	at least maidsafe and bitgo left a comment on the blog	[07:20]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/477667207158054912	[07:22]
assbot	1/A few thoughts on timing and staging of capital into modern tech startups -- start with fact that 2003-20011 seed rounds were ~$500K-1M.	[07:22]
bitcoinpete	^ marc is starting to clue into inflation	[07:23]
bitcoinpete	"In effect, a $3-5M seed round or a $3-5M "New Series A" is a recreation of the original conception of an A round from historical VC."	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	no, just having problems managing capital.	[07:23]
mircea_popescu	too much of it.	[07:23]
bitcoinpete	used to be $500k, now $5m	[07:23]
bitcoinpete	which is a problem of inflationary currency, n'est pas?	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	if anything, start-up rounds need to be more now, not less. because it costs WAY less now for a couch surfing founder to start his company.	[07:24]
[]bot	Bet created: "Crude Oil to reach $120 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/941/	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	in fact, it costs so little he doesn't even need horowitz. nor does he have any reason to talk to them. which he doesn't.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile on the other end of the chasm, there's billions nobody wants.	[07:25]
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mircea_popescu	it's so bad your INTERN for a vc won't consider deals under 1mn	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	and so, the stupid meets the lazy : nobody wants to admit the fiat paper is pointless ; horowitz least of all.	[07:25]
mircea_popescu	nobody wants to admit the entrepreneur does no more need the financier. horowitz least of all.	[07:26]
bitcoinpete	so we get beats, the next uber	[07:26]
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[]bot	Bet created: "American Marine to be released from Mexican Prison" http://bitbet.us/bet/942/	[07:33]
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mircea_popescu	!up RainMan28	[07:37]
-assbot-	You voiced RainMan28 for 30 minutes.	[07:37]
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RainMan28	thanks mircea_popescu	[07:37]
punkman	http://adarkroom.doublespeakgames.com/	[07:37]
assbot	A Dark Room	[07:37]
mircea_popescu	RainMan28 gotta get in that wot.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	http://37.media.tumblr.com/e59481f0ee5e96c1d1f3e7f38efb98d0/tumblr_n5da5cBOs31s9e2ofo1_500.jpg	[07:38]
RainMan28	mircea_popescu: dat exclusive level 2 wot	[07:38]
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punkman	strange that a text adventure hit #1 on the app stores	[07:39]
punkman	guess some people still have taste	[07:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.077 = 1.848 BTC [+]	[08:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.07697311 = 4.0026 BTC [-] {2}	[08:09]
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asciilifeform	punkman: lol, game has... inflation.	[08:29]
bitcoinpete	http://www.cnet.com/news/paraplegic-uses-mind-controlled-exoskeleton-to-kick-off-world-cup/	[08:35]
assbot	Paraplegic kicks off World Cup with mind-controlled exoskeleton - CNET	[08:35]
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fluffypony	;;later tell asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_kfOsQNwg4 <- LEGO recreation of a working Brückenlegepanzer Biber (tank that deploys its own bridge to cross a stream) - thought you'd enjoy it	[11:53]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[11:53]
assbot	Bridge laying tank Biber - YouTube	[11:53]
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fluffypony	how is Farming Simulator 14 in the top 100 paid games on the iPad	[13:43]
fluffypony	I guess Farmville lives on in perpetuity	[13:43]
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Mats_cd03	ym is a farmer	[14:27]
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Mats_cd03	erik naggum's memorial is fucking sad	[14:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.0008165 = 2.1637 BTC [-]	[14:39]
Mats_cd03	and so we return to stardust	[14:42]
Mats_cd03	asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.' << 'dis spark plugs?	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this :	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	1. somewhere on b-a website there's a text form where people can submit random text up to say 16kb in length. this all goes into db.	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	2. once every 512 seconds, submitted text is checked. all that is clearsigned content by signatures in assbot's l2 gets bundled together, hashed and the hash is included in a special tx through which b-a pays 1 btc to itself with a decent miner fee	[15:01]
miaoux	midnightmagic mikaeldice_ MiningBuddy- mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	3. once this tx gets 1 confirm, assbot makes an announcement here. "statements from mircea_popescu, mike_c, kakobrekla : b-a.com/registrar/blockxxx"	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	that way we have a quite useful registrar of deeds	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	if financing ever becomes a problem can always charge people who do over say 2 a month X btc for using it.	[15:02]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: instead of sending 1btc back and forth, it should make a provably unspendable tx	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[15:04]
punkman	less stuff in the blockchain	[15:05]
punkman	also miners don't have to keep it in the unspent transactions list	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	how is it less stuff in blockchain ?	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	also, check out this slut : http://38.media.tumblr.com/b416d816f341a5e8f9d709f89b2e0243/tumblr_n5sjuvtgBr1rdsufgo3_250.gif	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	we shall be seeing more of her during today.	[15:06]
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mircea_popescu	punkman a tx is a tx, whether unspendable or not it's the same length no ?	[15:08]
punkman	I think the script is shorter for the unspendable tx	[15:09]
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punkman	not having to keep it in unspent tx list is the more important part as I understand it	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	if that's true i doubt it's significant tbh	[15:09]
punkman	but not like you'll be making tons of them anyway	[15:09]
punkman	yeah	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	well, it's definitely the blockchain-friendliest approach, seeing as only a hash is stored in the first place. moreover, i don't see how nonspendable tx helps anything other than pruning	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	and i have mixed feelings on pruning and checkpoints	[15:10]
punkman	and in the interest of not writing things twice, assbot could send each bundle hash here http://www.proofofexistence.com/developers	[15:11]
assbot	Proof of Existence	[15:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081537 = 25.5211 BTC [-] {4}	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	or they could have joined assets a year or so ago. either way.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	i'm not checking some random site i never heard about fwiw.	[15:12]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: it's roughly the system you describe - it stores a hash of a document in the blockchain	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony it's missing two key ingredients, the most important one being - done by people i trust.	[15:13]
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mircea_popescu	this notion that anyone can randomly decide they'll now develop things works fine for weblogs or w/e	[15:13]
fluffypony	the nice thing is that they have an API for storing and verifying	[15:14]
fluffypony	plus	[15:14]
fluffypony	https://github.com/maraoz/proofofexistence	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	the other one is that they don't maintain the records.	[15:14]
assbot	maraoz/proofofexistence GitHub	[15:14]
fluffypony	just run it on your own metal	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	this is a major problem.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	well kako is more than welcome to fork it or w/e if he likes the code. tech decision.	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	i'm not putting their name in the spec tho.	[15:15]
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fluffypony	it's been a year since Kingston released a 1tb HyperX Predator flash drive, I can't believe no other manufacturer has one yet	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	what's it do ?	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/b86b711e63fd2709b3d5bf8906e11cd9/tumblr_n5sjuvtgBr1rdsufgo1_250.gif day's slut, 2/x	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	wait wait, nobody else has a 1tb drive ?	[15:17]
pankkake	samsung, crucial, sandisk have	[15:18]
pankkake	so UR WRONG	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-trade-External-Portable-Silver/dp/B005EGXY4Y	[15:18]
assbot	Amazon.com: U32 Shadow™ 1TB External USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive (Silver): Computers & Accessories	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	or w/e	[15:18]
pankkake	oh you mean usb flash drive	[15:19]
fluffypony	flash drive	[15:19]
fluffypony	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81cZ%2B1fyHpL._SL1500_.jpg	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	http://www.engadget.com/2012/01/09/victorinoxs-1tb-usb-esata-ii-drive-fingers-on/ ahahaha look who made one	[15:19]
assbot	Victorinox's 1TB USB / eSATA II drive fingers-on	[15:19]
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punkman	lol "An interesting addition to these drives is a small LCD display on the side that might at some point show meaning information, but sadly ours only boasted the 1TB size."	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:20]
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Mats_cd03	wat	[15:21]
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fluffypony	so that was announced but never released?	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	weird huh	[15:22]
punkman	https://twitter.com/Stephkegels/media <- day's slut	[15:22]
assbot	Steph Kegels (Stephkegels) auf Twitter	[15:22]
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punkman	those are some good hips	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	not bad lol. invite her over.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BouzvAOCYAA_jmQ.jpg:large lolk	[15:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0788999 = 0.3156 BTC [+]	[15:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0788999 = 0.2367 BTC [+]	[15:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.079 = 1.975 BTC [+]	[15:31]
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punkman	ohey found the video from those gifs: http://xhamster.com/xembed.php?video=3060693	[15:33]
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punkman	there are people in the library	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	yep	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	and she's doing 2quite the show	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	curse you for spoiling my planned drip release	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	DAMMIT YOU CAN HAZ NO CONTENT CONTROL WITH THEZE INTERNET KIDS TODAY!	[15:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.079 = 1.422 BTC [+]	[15:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 119 @ 0.07999991 = 9.52 BTC [+] {3}	[15:39]
fluffypony	if anyone's interested, I'm looking for someone to buy a $900 item (aforementioned flash drive) on Amazon for me and ship it to me, will pay in Bitcoin and also pay for the effort	[15:40]
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mircea_popescu	no amazon deliveries to SA ?	[15:41]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: only for a few items	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	;;seen moiety	[15:42]
gribble	moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: i do but there's a lot of time left	[15:42]
fluffypony	DVDs and books mostly	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	hammer her when she comes back.	[15:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0795 = 1.0335 BTC [-]	[15:45]
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mircea_popescu	hey there moiety :D	[15:53]
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moiety	hello all, I'm really sorry for my lack of presence this past little while, had some problems with moving. I'm trying my hardest to not be offline.	[15:53]
moiety	hiya mircea_popescu how are you?	[15:53]
fluffypony	OMG YES MOIETY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN	[15:54]
fluffypony	also how is the sex weeks flat?	[15:54]
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moiety	BRI haven't heard of Malcom btw mircea_popescu, i was going to dig a little, if you wanted	[15:54]
moiety	fluffypony: I love it, it's amazing! but i got stuck in the empty old flat for a few days and haven't had internet here. I've moved half hour drive away in the smallest car you can buy i think and me and mum aren't exactly weight lifters lol how are you? :D	[15:55]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[15:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 170 @ 0.07930587 = 13.482 BTC [-] {3}	[15:55]
fluffypony	I'm excellent tks :)	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	moiety it's fine, thanks. case closed.	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	anyway, mind buying a disk for fluffypony on amazon and reshipping it ?	[15:56]
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moiety	old flt finally emptied completely yesterday. i felt broken after it lol	[15:57]
fluffypony	moiety: from earlier - fluffypony: if anyone's interested, I'm looking for someone to buy a $900 item (aforementioned flash drive) on Amazon for me and ship it to me, will pay in Bitcoin and also pay for the effort	[15:57]
moiety	sure what disc?	[15:57]
fluffypony	http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00E65QM8O/ref=dp_olp_all_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=all	[15:57]
assbot	500 Service Unavailable Error	[15:57]
moiety	ahh kk i still ickle behind on logs	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	;;rated moiety	[15:57]
gribble	You have not yet rated user moiety	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	whar ?!	[15:57]
fluffypony	find the cheapest new one in that list	[15:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0795 = 1.749 BTC [+]	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	;;rate moiety 2 Good secretary and logistics mastergirl.	[15:58]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user moiety has been recorded.	[15:58]
moiety	:D tyvm	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	hehe	[15:58]
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moiety	fluffypony: $894.99 & FREE Shipping	[16:00]
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fluffypony	moiety: does that definitely ship to you, afaik?	[16:01]
punkman	watch out for customs, although amazon.com sometimes estimates it on checkout and let's you prepay	[16:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.079 = 3.16 BTC [-]	[16:03]
moiety	yeah i'm just signing in to go over it all	[16:04]
fluffypony	ok cool beans	[16:04]
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fluffypony	also have you setup a Bitcoin wallet yet?	[16:04]
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moiety	1MoiEtY7kGWwxr7isWhS492gXJZqGUbWFy << :D its even a speshul one ... kk so that one isn't the best deal imo, lemme dig a little more	[16:05]
fluffypony	kk	[16:05]
moiety	though i didn't mean the E and Y to be giant	[16:06]
fluffypony	lol	[16:06]
moiety	>.>	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	spells out mey	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	could be worse	[16:07]
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mircea_popescu	btw, you didn't generate that unsafely over some sort of shady provider did you ?	[16:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07949999 = 0.3975 BTC [+]	[16:08]
moiety	no, generated all by myself :D	[16:11]
moiety	vanitygen + cmd is ok isn't it?	[16:12]
fluffypony	yes	[16:12]
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mircea_popescu	ya	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	dude you have some hash then :D	[16:13]
fluffypony	and to double check - you're backing up your wallet.dat and/or you have your privkey written down and stored somewhere away from your house?	[16:13]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: my 1spagni vanity addy took like 4 hours with vanitygen - 7 letters takes it up to like 1-2 days, 8 letters you need oclvanitygen	[16:14]
moiety	fluffypony: ok so you save about £57 getting it from the us but it will take longer	[16:17]
fluffypony	yeah I'll pay the extra	[16:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07949999 = 0.954 BTC [+]	[16:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07949999 = 1.3515 BTC [+]	[16:24]
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mircea_popescu	aok	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	btw if anyonestill has a forum acct, ask that brucexie guy to drop bysometime	[16:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07949999 = 1.431 BTC [+]	[16:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0018501 = 0.2498 BTC [-]	[16:32]
kakobrekla	>Dude you created an account just to come here and troll, at least have the decency not to hide your real account. Our little section of Bitcoin is doing just fine, OgNasty is one of the most upstanding members of the Bitcoin community. To come here and claim he is running some type of scam is ridiculous. You seem to have already climbed back into your hole, please stay there.	[16:37]
kakobrekla	apparently i still have one.	[16:37]
kakobrekla	o wait no	[16:38]
kakobrekla	Sorry kako, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.	[16:38]
kakobrekla	You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	herp	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	isn't this most upstanding member that dork that came here a coupla years ago to try and troll anonymously	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	but then forgot all about how handles work ?	[16:39]
kakobrekla	that does sound familiar	[16:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07949999 = 0.477 BTC [+]	[16:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00082036 = 14.1512 BTC [+]	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	you know it just occurs to me, the democratic political process and open source software have a shitload in common.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	the only reason shit like the openssh was full of is even getting fixed at all is that it costs nothing to alter code.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	if you had to pay fiddy bux to edit github bleedin' heart would still be there and a bunch of dorks all over the web would be explaining how it's not really that bad	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	policies already in place cost about that much to change and it's how it works.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	both methods of organising labour are utterly horrible for anyone interested in quality work. they do deliver a very extensive array of crap	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	unfortunately... it's generally very crappy.	[16:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [+]	[16:46]
moiety	message sent to brucexie	[16:49]
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mircea_popescu	aty	[16:53]
fluffypony	bbiab	[16:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.07949999 = 5.8035 BTC [+] {2}	[17:02]
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chetty	mircea_popescu: policies already in place cost about that much to change and it's how it works.// people manage to believe that free stuff exists	[17:04]
chetty	example: oh boy I got HUGE tax return = free money, completely ignoring that is the gubermint returning your money they took	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	this is a point	[17:10]
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mircea_popescu	kinda how the hunter-gatherer brain is wired. FREE BERRIES!	[17:10]
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mircea_popescu	other later sedimentary strata of the brain have trouble talking through the barrage of endorphin release	[17:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0018501 = 0.2498 BTC [-]	[17:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07949999 = 0.795 BTC [-]	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [-]	[17:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07949999 = 0.2385 BTC [-]	[17:23]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` you'll never guess what these guys quoted me for 1k cards btw.	[17:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.04405928 = 0.1322 BTC [-]	[17:34]
fluffypony	!up nubbins`	[17:34]
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nubbins`	hmm, nope!	[17:34]
nubbins`	$75 ;D	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	yeah. like $115	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	im gonna get it just to see wtf 100 bux buys you. but srsly, if they can deliver atthat price you prolly should move your whole operation down here	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	sink teh world.	[17:35]
nubbins`	heheh	[17:37]
nubbins`	my time is still $45/hr even in .ar	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	i would guess that principally depends on what 45 buys you.	[17:38]
fluffypony	what do I pay my guy	[17:39]
fluffypony	I just did 2 sets of cards (1k each)	[17:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00082042 = 12.5524 BTC [+] {2}	[17:40]
fluffypony	matt finish	[17:40]
fluffypony	and it was £72 (design + printing)	[17:40]
fluffypony	plus shipping from England, but that's relatively negligible	[17:41]
nubbins`	see, business cards are exactly the wrong thing to silkscreen	[17:43]
nubbins`	so much manual work for something so tiny	[17:44]
fluffypony	yep	[17:44]
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mircea_popescu	ah i c	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	this is just the offset. apparently you can't get special tints in digital	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	but i tell you by the way... i've seen some machinery on that hunt... this whole town's half a museum	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	except they still run the exhibitions.	[17:46]
nubbins`	i'd say one could dredge up some old letterpress machines down there if one had some time to kill	[17:46]
nubbins`	anyway, yeah, silkscreen beats digital when you get into poster sizing	[17:47]
nubbins`	18x24" digital-print poster: $15+ per print	[17:47]
nubbins`	silkscreen: ~$4ea in quantity	[17:48]
nubbins`	(quantity being like 2 dozen)	[17:48]
nubbins`	i was actually reading a gabriel garcia marquez story the other day where the guy talks about "a beautiful four-color poster"	[17:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [-]	[17:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00082058 = 0.7796 BTC [+]	[17:50]
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mircea_popescu	;;calc (3 * 2.5 * 1000) / (182424)	[17:50]
gribble	0.72337962963	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	should be about the same thing no ?!	[17:51]
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nubbins`	surface-area, yeah	[17:51]
nubbins`	cutting is the killer	[17:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [-]	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	o it is ?	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	id have thought thats mostly automated	[17:52]
fluffypony	;;later tell moiety Let me know costs re: the flash drive and I'll send BTC to cover, and then once it arrives we can sort out re-shipping and your time. Thanks!	[17:53]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[17:53]
nubbins`	you can get electric/hydraulic cutters	[17:53]
nubbins`	but all the placement etc is still by hand	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	nuts	[17:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07949999 = 1.272 BTC [+]	[17:53]
nubbins`	so little margin for error	[17:53]
nubbins`	your business card is cut 0.125" off-center, the card looks like shit	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	they managed to make printers autofeed 30 years ago	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	but placement for cutting is still done by hand ?!	[17:54]
nubbins`	true story	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	nuts.	[17:54]
nubbins`	now, there are back-stops you can use for consistency	[17:54]
nubbins`	but cuttong a 15x22" sheet down to business card size, you gotta keep moving the backstop	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	i got news for you : if your injet desktop printer prnts .1 off center, it also looks like shit	[17:54]
nubbins`	^ this is true	[17:54]
nubbins`	best you could manage would be to get a stack cutter and slice a stack of sheets all at once	[17:55]
nubbins`	but it's all finicky work	[17:55]
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nubbins`	we have a 24" guillotine cutter, anything bigger than that requires a ruler and x-acto	[17:56]
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fluffypony	ah, so you'd struggle with circumcising me then - good to know	[17:58]
fluffypony	:-P	[17:58]
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nubbins`	OH YOU	[18:00]
nubbins`	bbl checking out the iceberg	[18:00]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/BrreQNr	[18:01]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07949999 = 1.272 BTC [+]	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.0795 = 2.703 BTC [+]	[18:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0795 = 3.5775 BTC [+]	[18:07]
fluffypony	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/282496/this_is_ridiculous_andreas_antonopoulos_i_will/	[18:07]
assbot	This is RIDICULOUS. Andreas Antonopoulos, I will personally pay you 25BTC if start the conversation on Eliminating Pools & Solo Miners w/ frequent payouts... : Bitcoin	[18:08]
fluffypony	lol	[18:08]
fluffypony	lol lol lol	[18:08]
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mircea_popescu	lmao	[18:11]
pankkake	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/284epj/i_never_mined_the_bitcoin_or_other_alt_im/ and this is in the top posts too…	[18:15]
assbot	I never mined the Bitcoin or other alt. I'm investing into Petamine just to fight against CEX/GHash.IO : Bitcoin	[18:15]
pankkake	reddit, the actual reason to sell your bitcoins	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	pankkake methinks you take the internet too literally.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	perhaps i should make an illustration of this brb	[18:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3056 @ 0.00081496 = 2.4905 BTC [-]	[18:20]
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Apocalyptic	"I think it's funny that people think a bitcoin subreddit is the center of the bitcoin universe"	[18:25]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://bitcoinism.liberty.me/2014/06/11/bitcoin-is-sedition/	[18:32]
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pankkake	http://bitcoinism.blogspot.com/2014/06/deprecated.html => this is worse	[18:33]
assbot	Bitcoinism: Deprecated	[18:33]
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[]bot	Bet created: "King Felix to Reign MLB Strikeouts" http://bitbet.us/bet/943/	[18:34]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-just-about-everyone-on-the-internet/	[18:50]
assbot	This is just about everyone on the Internet pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:50]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: where'd you get the dervish ?	[18:51]
*	asciilifeform can't help but wonder re: the purpose of the road cone.	[18:53]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu that, on the screen, is not the internet.	[18:54]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform amusingly, an INVESTOR SITE	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	http://affluentinvestor.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Basement-dweller.png	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla no, it's not. but IT THINKS IT IS	[18:58]
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asciilifeform	fluffypony: Brückenlegepanzer << neato	[19:01]
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moiety	omg mobile broadband sucks for gribbling	[19:04]
moiety	fluffypony: couple different options, i'll make a wee paste and pm it to you	[19:04]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/this-is-just-about-everyone-on-the-internet/	[19:07]
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moiety	asciilifeform: re cats digging, there is a UK comedian (Eddie Izzard) who says cats are drilling (purring) and digging when they are behind the sofa lol in actuality, i think people can confuse digging for taking care of their claws. re covering their mess, incidentally they don't do this when they want to show who is boss in a household.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	moiety: this was probably correct. no traces of a cat tunnel were visible afterwards.	[19:33]
asciilifeform	moiety: cat in question, incidentally, isn't tame. won't come near people - but does hang out on my porch often.	[19:34]
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moiety	probably cus you don't bother him. would make sense for more feral cats to do the not covering of their mess also.	[19:37]
asciilifeform	moiety: these beasts do bury their turds, but mark territory	[19:37]
asciilifeform	;;google felinine	[19:37]
gribble	Felinine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Felinine: a urinary amino acid of Felidae.: ; Felinine: a urinary amino acid of Felidae - ScienceDirect.com:	[19:37]
asciilifeform	it doesn't bother me (grew up in a place with, possibly, more feral cats than people)	[19:38]
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moiety	to get cats away, people put down anti-freeze because its sweet to cats D; half burying a 2l bottle half filled with water on it's side will discourage them without death	[19:38]
asciilifeform	moiety: on the contrary, more cats, the better	[19:38]
moiety	asciilifeform: sounds fab! apparently feral cats here are breeding out the true bobcat	[19:39]
*	asciilifeform is fond of cats, even if one can only look at them	[19:39]
moiety	are you allergic?	[19:39]
asciilifeform	nope	[19:39]
moiety	why can't you have one?	[19:39]
asciilifeform	moiety: last i heard, it was the felis silvestris that was hybridizing with the domestic, rather than bobcat	[19:39]
moiety	o i mean our native scottish bobcat	[19:40]
asciilifeform	that'd be, afaik, felis silvestris	[19:40]
asciilifeform	ancestor of the domestic	[19:41]
asciilifeform	http://wordcustard.squidoo.com/scottish-wildcat	[19:41]
asciilifeform	^ him	[19:41]
moiety	ah yeah	[19:42]
moiety	well, it's like semi ferals... like farm cats and country cats	[19:42]
asciilifeform	these are 'compatible' with regulation cat.	[19:42]
moiety	there are people going around neutering ferals so stop them cross breeding	[19:42]
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moiety	http://www.scottishwildcats.co.uk/imagesgeneral/scottishwildcat.jpg	[19:43]
*	asciilifeform actually found out about silvestris interbreeding with housecat from... erik naggum	[19:43]
asciilifeform	moiety: have you tamed one of these animals ?	[19:44]
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moiety	i've never seen one personally D; i've been mid-scotland for a decade, til moving recently	[19:45]
moiety	the more north/rural you go here, the less cats behave like your usual housecat. somuch roaming the wilderness in all weathers for them	[19:46]
moiety	actually, same goes for the people....	[19:48]
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asciilifeform	moiety: why can't you have one << sadly i lack the skills, time, resources to care for a second pet	[19:53]
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moiety	asciilifeform: what's your primary pet? (please say your laser)	[19:54]
asciilifeform	woman	[19:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.079999 = 4 BTC [+]	[19:54]
moiety	ah	[19:54]
moiety	but they are meant to look after you!	[19:54]
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asciilifeform	sorta does, aye	[19:55]
moiety	apparently cats ==women anyway http://www.joke-archives.com/dogs/catsanddogs.html	[19:56]
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chetty	lost wallets, pfft. IRS can top that http://online.wsj.com/articles/irs-provides-more-emails-in-conservative-group-targeting-probe-1402684543	[19:57]
assbot	IRS Says Official's Emails Were Lost in Computer Crash - WSJ	[19:57]
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asciilifeform	chetty: is this kind of paperwork ever not conveniently 'lost' ?	[19:58]
asciilifeform	'we accidentally the evidence'	[19:58]
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chetty	yeah but emails?? who in the hell would believe that?	[20:01]
asciilifeform	moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdW_bKkmQVo << consider moving, like mircea_popescu, to south america...	[20:01]
assbot	Ocelot - Tigrillo - YouTube	[20:01]
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moiety	asciilifeform: amazing markings! especially the ears. isn't it fascinating how all cats no matter feral-ness or genus do the rubbing against your legs for attention?	[20:05]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[20:05]
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moiety	;; later tell unbalanced thanks :D homemade is always better http://imgur.com/a/vmd8a#2 :D we do need something to soak up the whisky lol	[20:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[20:08]
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asciilifeform	moiety: i suspect that ocelot is quasi-tame (lives on the dock, fed fish?)	[20:12]
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moiety	asciilifeform: certainly doesn't behave so feral, grumbling away for more petting	[20:13]
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benkay	also, check out this slut : // great tits	[21:14]
punkman	http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/184253-ssd-shadiness-kingston-and-pny-caught-bait-and-switching-cheaper-components-after-good-reviews	[21:17]
assbot	SSD shadiness: Kingston and PNY caught bait-and-switching cheaper components after good reviews \| ExtremeTech	[21:17]
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asciilifeform	;;rated moiety	[21:43]
gribble	You have not yet rated user moiety	[21:43]
asciilifeform	;;rate moiety 1 felis silvestris.	[21:43]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.	[21:43]
punkman	so these guys are gonna develop truecrypt now: https://github.com/FreeApophis https://twitter.com/doekbrijder	[21:43]
assbot	FreeApophis (Thomas) GitHub	[21:43]
assbot	Doekbrijder (doekbrijder) auf Twitter	[21:43]
punkman	Mr. "my first C project is gonna be crypto" and a Drupal dev	[21:44]
asciilifeform	punkman: snake oil sucks, but when it's medicine for a corpse... whatever.	[21:44]
punkman	indeed	[21:45]
moiety	tyvm asciilifeform :D	[21:45]
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chetty	that reddit link... lol.	[22:03]
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moiety	;; last seen bingoboingo	[22:06]
gribble	(last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} ] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)	[22:06]
moiety	wut	[22:07]
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kakobrekla	;;seen bingoboingo	[22:07]
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fluffypony	moiety: ok back	[22:42]
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moiety	i sent a pm fluffypony	[22:43]
fluffypony	oh just saw that, tks	[22:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]	[22:51]
fluffypony	;;later tell mircea_popescu I thought he was 16/f/cali? but then again, I forgot my robe and my wizard hat...	[22:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SHA] 76 @ 0.042 = 3.192 BTC	[22:53]
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chetty	my robe and my wizard hat...// required uniforms for next conf?	[23:00]
fluffypony	yes	[23:02]
fluffypony	Thursday night dinner will require it	[23:02]
fluffypony	as well as 16 year old females from Cali	[23:02]
fluffypony	(which my wife is, except Cali == Germany of course)	[23:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2112439 BTC [-]	[23:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21100006 = 0.633 BTC [-] {2}	[23:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]	[23:06]
moiety	;; later tell mircea_popescu I just got a rather big shock.... thank you very much :]	[23:07]
gribble	Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.	[23:07]
moiety	;; later tell mircea_popescu I just got a rather big shock.... thank you very much :)	[23:08]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:08]
moiety	omg gribble don't discriminate against different smiles!	[23:08]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]	[23:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+]	[23:43]
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kakobrekla	;;later tell moiety ":]"	[23:44]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:44]
Apocalyptic	hax	[23:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9430 @ 0.00082398 = 7.7701 BTC [+] {2}	[23:45]
thestringpuller	!b 4	[23:45]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3JQYB9.txt )	[23:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC	[23:58]
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