Forum logs for 14 Feb 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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smickles you know, if you want to buy options... [05:01]
BTCHero So I am quite a bit poorer than I was this morning [05:01]
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zigma ok im looking at order 6731 [05:02]
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smickles ;;view 6731 [05:02]
gribble #6731 Thu Feb 9 14:41:21 2012 Greed BUY 50.0 MTGOXUSD @ 1 USDPP (None) [05:02]
mircea_popescu how come btchero ? [05:02]
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Greed Hello [05:02]
zigma so is he selling 1 bit coin for 1 dollar? [05:02]
Greed 1 [05:02]
Greed 1:1 [05:02]
* smickles will let greed explain [05:02]
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mircea_popescu hallo smickles [05:03]
smickles howdy mircea_popescu [05:03]
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Noitev ;;gettrust dbordello [05:03]
gribble Trust relationship from user noitev to user dbordello: Level 1: 3, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=noitev&dest=dbordello [05:03]
Noitev ;;rate dbordello 4 [05:03]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dbordello has changed from 3 to 4. [05:03]
BTCHero mircea_popescu because my coins are worth less [05:03]
smickles ( zigma, he's selling paypal usd for mtgox usd [05:03]
smickles ) [05:03]
Greed I can do up to 150$ if you're interested, zigma [05:03]
mircea_popescu o did it drop ? [05:03]
MBS 1 year of a dedicated server, only 57.25 BTC [05:03]
Noitev im still looking for 660 in btc [05:03]
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BTCHero lol yeah [05:04]
Noitev paying by moneypak [05:04]
zigma Hi greed im just looking for 5 bitcoins what can you quote me? [05:04]
mircea_popescu hey, under 5, cool [05:04]
mircea_popescu maybe i get to buy some. [05:04]
MBS headed straight to 0.00000001 :D [05:04]
Greed Not selling any, sorry, zigma [05:04]
Greed ;;book PPUSD [05:04]
zigma thats ok, [05:04]
zigma ;;book ppusd [05:04]
EasyAt ah wow [05:05]
EasyAt I see we have dropped [05:05]
Noitev ;;book moneypak [05:05]
Noitev ;;bc,mtgox [05:06]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":5.55,"low":4.816,"avg":5.279769671,"vwap":5.234570685,"vol":163346,"last_all":4.87,"last_local":4.87,"last":4.87,"buy":4.89,"sell":4.90433}} [05:06]
Noitev mano mano [05:06]
smickles Noitev: you may have to search notes for moneypak [05:06]
Noitev sigh [05:06]
EasyAt I didnt think it would break through 5 [05:06]
EasyAt should put a bigger wall at 4.8 [05:06]
smickles on the website, there is the option to search notes [05:06]
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MBS 1 year of a dedicated server, only 57.25 BTC [05:07]
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ineededausername hello! [05:07]
Noitev magicaltux, what makes your tux so magical anyway? [05:07]
ineededausername ;;seen pirateat40 [05:07]
NxTitle Noitev: tux does that [05:08]
Noitev aw [05:08]
Noitev i wanted an answer [05:08]
NxTitle :P [05:08]
NxTitle linux is magical [05:08]
NxTitle but an open source magical [05:08]
NxTitle so you can see how the magical works and therefore learn the magical [05:08]
NxTitle tux is a penguin magical [05:09]
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copumpkin ineededausername: need something? [05:09]
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zigma cya all later, watching start gate sg1 will try later to buy bitcoins [05:10]
Hunterbunter I wonder...do any bulls stil have wind in their sails? [05:10]
Greed Why isn't anyone else selling MtGox! D: [05:10]
abracadabra http://bitcoinmedia.com/warning-btc-e-compromised/ [05:10]
mircea_popescu hunterbunter im actually contemplating if i should buy nao or wait. [05:11]
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ineededausername copumpkin: yeah, question about gpumax [05:11]
paulzag ;;buy 100 BTGOXUSD @ 102 PPUSD other quantities are okay [05:11]
gribble Order id 6794 created. [05:11]
copumpkin ineededausername: I think he's out for the night [05:11]
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Hunterbunter mircea_popescu yeah it's a tough call [05:11]
MBS want to do a 1:1 trade for someones mtgoxusd for amazon payments/venmo/server/clover [05:12]
Noitev buying btc via moneypak, 660 usd worth [05:12]
gmaxwell phantomcircuit: is this more than the thing we talked about in private? (re bitcoinmedia.com above) [05:12]
pingdrive i wonder if we will get mainstream press around all this eekyness [05:12]
Hunterbunter I don't think it will be good press though [05:12]
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pingdrive not sure if you ever heard this : there is no bad press [05:12]
Hunterbunter more like "oh look here's another reason bitcoins are bad lolk" [05:12]
Hunterbunter dependso n your goal [05:13]
gmaxwell bitcoins? people don't really use btc-e with bitcoin, they use it with all the other coins. [05:13]
benjamindees there was an article on paxum [05:13]
pingdrive and there will be more press to rebuff that shit [05:13]
Noitev 55*;;bc,mtgox [05:13]
pingdrive saying these are the reason why btc-e went bad [05:13]
Noitev ;;bc,mtgox [05:13]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":5.55,"low":4.816,"avg":5.274255917,"vwap":5.230271765,"vol":159687,"last_all":5.00999,"last_local":5.00999,"last":5.00999,"buy":4.972,"sell":5.00999}} [05:13]
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pingdrive poor security [05:13]
Hunterbunter I suppose you're right, the bigger problem is that it's even happening [05:13]
Hunterbunter to create the press howevr it creates it [05:14]
paulzag Greed, coz it costs money to put the USD there [05:14]
Cory Wall to the rescue. :) [05:15]
paulzag ;;remove 6794 [05:15]
gribble Order 6794 removed. [05:15]
Hunterbunter It seems like the bulls are having a party and everytime the lights go out the bears have stabbed one of them :) [05:15]
Cory A whole 700 BTC. [05:15]
MBS someone buy a dedicated server from me :p [05:15]
mircea_popescu i have no clue what btc-e is or why anyone'd care ? [05:15]
Noitev Anyone selling btc for moneypak? [05:16]
mircea_popescu cory the real wall is around 4.82 i think all those k's are real. [05:16]
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pingdrive MBS: can i host tor relay on it [05:16]
paulzag ;;buy 100 MTGOXUSD @ 102 PPUSD other quantities are okay [05:17]
gribble Order id 6795 created. [05:17]
MBS pingdrive, probably not a good idea with ovh, lol [05:17]
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paulzag Hunterbunter, made coffee come out my nose! [05:17]
paulzag It seems like the bulls are having a party and everytime the lights go out the bears have stabbed one of them :) [05:17]
BTCHero 5 so nice to meet you again [05:17]
Hunterbunter lol sorry [05:17]
paulzag as soon as I get some, I'll sell em to you Noitev [05:17]
pingdrive MBS, sorry, what ohv? [05:18]
Noitev when shall that be hopefully? [05:18]
paulzag ;;buy 100 CryptoXUSD @ 102 PPUSD other quantities are okay [05:19]
gribble Order id 6796 created. [05:19]
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paulzag Graet2, is Graet great enough? [05:20]
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vragnaroda smickles: I smacked you for hilighting me needlessly. I don't have a problem with abbreviations generally; only stupid ones. [05:20]
Mafeki does anyone have a what.cd invite? [05:21]
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paulzag #what.cd ? [05:21]
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smickles vragnaroda: oh, sorry, i thought i uses asynchronous incorrectly. [05:21]
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Noitev ;;ident dbordello [05:22]
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gribble Nick 'dbordello', with hostmask 'DBordello!~DB@unaffiliated/dbordello', is not identified. [05:22]
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Noitev ugh wonderful [05:22]
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* smickles 's cheek hurts [05:22]
smickles er [05:22]
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smickles omit /that/ s [05:22]
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Noitev ;;rate dbordello 3 [05:23]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dbordello has changed from 4 to 3. [05:23]
Noitev that was the weirdest scam i was stupid enough to fall for [05:23]
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paulzag tell me more [05:23]
vragnaroda Noitev: wat [05:23]
Noitev i miscalculated and though i was buying at 5.16 when it was really 6.16 [05:23]
Noitev he sent me the funds [05:23]
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Noitev and hes not idented [05:23]
Noitev i guess it is my fault [05:23]
MBS pingdrive, ovh is the isp [05:23]
Noitev but ugh [05:23]
Noitev lol [05:23]
mircea_popescu buy a calculator from the proceeds lol [05:24]
vragnaroda That's not a scam; that's just stupid. ;) [05:24]
Noitev it hurts [05:24]
Noitev lol [05:24]
MBS they...are pretty strict network wise, you dont want to portscan or spam with them :p [05:24]
Noitev plus hes not even ided [05:24]
Noitev i was stupid to fall for that [05:24]
MBS so doubt they would be huge fans of a tor exit relay [05:24]
paulzag don't you hate making simple math mistakes? Good news it's not sheep stations [05:24]
mircea_popescu and the 700 wall is gone [05:24]
pingdrive MBS: why would i wan tto spam or portscan? [05:24]
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MBS well no, just saying they might not be a fan of a tor exit node [05:25]
dwon I've got to learn not to put in anything except market orders. Every time I put in a limit order that's more than a few cents away from market, I get screwed. [05:25]
pingdrive k [05:25]
mircea_popescu so i got bitcoin 0.3.24 beta. should i get the latest version or not worth it really ? [05:26]
paulzag how do you get screwed on a limit order? [05:26]
MBS now maybe if it was one set to not be an exit relay [05:26]
errydayimgenerat 700 is a wall? [05:27]
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dwon paulzag: I expected the BTC price to fall today, so I sold a bunch of bitcoins at ~ $5.27, then put in a limit order to re-buy at $5.18 and went to work. [05:27]
dwon I was partly right: the BTC price did fall. [05:28]
dwon dammit [05:28]
dwon 'course it's not as bad as mistaking $6.16 for $5.16 :) [05:29]
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mircea_popescu so how did you get screwed dwon ? made 9cents per right ? [05:30]
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dwon Well, if I hadn't put in the limit order, I could have bought them at ~ $4.90 [05:32]
dwon These are coins I originally bought for $6.55, so I'm not exactly in the black. :) [05:32]
bowmessage ouch... :( [05:33]
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dwon I bought near the end of the The Good Wife bubble. I could have bought a bunch at $3.50, but my bank transfer took too long and I didn't get them early enough. [05:34]
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bowmessage but you bought anyway? :O [05:34]
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bowmessage and why's it called good wife? [05:35]
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novusordo Buying 5 BTC for a $25 Moneypak. [05:35]
dwon at that point, I hadn't heard of "buy on hype; sell on news" [05:35]
splatster oh noooooes! [05:35]
Noitev ;;ident dbordello [05:35]
gribble Nick 'dbordello', with hostmask 'DBordello!~DB@unaffiliated/dbordello', is identified as user DBordello, with GPG key id D56ED50CCA0B95DF, and key fingerprint DDB9ECA68CD6B31CA5FAC4F5D56ED50CCA0B95DF. [05:35]
dwon bowmessage: It's a TV show, which had an episode that's was basically an ad for bitcoin. [05:35]
splatster what the fuck?! [05:35]
splatster 4.9? [05:35]
bowmessage ohhh right. Thanks. [05:35]
bowmessage yessir, welcome back [05:35]
bowmessage lol [05:35]
Hunterbunter yeah man all the bulls were murdered in their sleep...they are now werebears [05:36]
splatster Damnit, it was above 5 a few hours ago [05:36]
paulzag splatster, did you just wake up? [05:36]
dwon splatster: Heh. That was my reaction about 15 minutes ago. [05:36]
splatster Came back from dinner [05:37]
paulzag I hate it when I'm in profit, in cash and cant get the money moving fast enough to join back in. [05:37]
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paulzag okay bunnies... time for you all to sell out your BTC for immediate cash in the form of Paypal - any currency I'll pay the fees [05:38]
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splatster Well all my money from btc is money that I didn't expect to have, so if I lost it all, I wouldn't be broke personally [05:39]
jine http://www.betabeat.com/2012/02/13/bitcoin-exchange-tradehill-suspends-trading/ [05:39]
Someguy123 jine they said on their blog they're re-opening next month [05:39]
MBS everyone trade me your mtgoxusd for amazon payments :p [05:39]
jine I c :) [05:39]
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paulzag we're all desperate to get money into MTgox [05:40]
Someguy123 paulzag too much work for me [05:40]
dwon oh god, I hope nobody actually would be broke if they lost all their money in BTC. (Yeah, I know I'm being way too optimistic here...) [05:40]
splatster I'm not really worried about this anymore [05:40]
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Someguy123 dwon i would be. [05:40]
Someguy123 all my money is held in LTC [05:40]
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Someguy123 so if I lost all my LTC [05:40]
jine 04:40:29 < dwon> oh god, I hope nobody actually would be broke if they lost all their money in BTC. (Yeah, I know I'm being way too optimistic here...) [05:41]
Someguy123 i would be broke. [05:41]
jine I would. [05:41]
Noitev ;;bc,mtgox [05:41]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":5.55,"low":4.816,"avg":5.266823988,"vwap":5.224700613,"vol":158578,"last_all":4.90011,"last_local":4.90011,"last":4.90011,"buy":4.89187,"sell":4.9089}} [05:41]
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Someguy123 dwon http://i51.tinypic.com/hupzsh.png [05:41]
Someguy123 i have 2000 LTC, not planning on losing this any time soon... [05:41]
jine If i lost all my bitcoins, i would have a few thousand people hatin' me and wanting me to compensate... :D [05:41]
splatster If we crash to $1, then I know we will pick back up in november [05:41]
jine (I'm the owner of bitlc.net - if i lost all coins, hell would break loose) [05:41]
MBS someone sell me mtgoxusd for amazon payments [05:41]
jine God bless safe and offline storage :D [05:41]
Cory This is it. I'm moving everything to SolidCoin. [05:41]
jine Cory: Seems solid ;P [05:42]
Geno_ Tis the perfect storm [05:42]
dirkdizzler jine any plans to change from proportional [05:42]
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jine dirkdizzler: Yepp, this week. PPLNS [05:42]
vragnaroda Cory: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL [05:42]
Someguy123 Cory psst, realsolid was responsible for the attacks on eligius [05:42]
dwon Well, I meant that more as a comment on how volatile the prices are, but I guess the risk of being hacked is there, too. [05:42]
jine The implementation is finished and tested, i just havent pushed if from staging yet. [05:42]
Someguy123 Cory just don't make enemies with realsolid if you join solidcoin :) [05:43]
Someguy123 his magical trusted nodes will set your balance to 0. [05:43]
splatster If I end up with $100 instead of the $300 I could have gotten a while back, I will be pissed, but I will still be able to pay the bills [05:43]
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jine These alt/auxchains just sucks. Don't mind them and they WILL disappear [05:44]
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dwon Someguy123: Is that even possible? Wouldn't he need your ECDSA keys for that? [05:44]
paulzag I'm already broke - is it possible to be broker? but not A broker? [05:44]
paulzag oh the humanity [05:44]
errydayimgenerat homeless? [05:45]
jine paulzag: If you lose someone elses money and they want it back... yes :P [05:45]
jine paulzag: When you account hits a negative balance... [05:45]
Someguy123 dwon trusted nodes = are basically "banks" of the network [05:45]
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pigeons errydayimgenerat: if your home is under a bridge, it's still home [05:45]
Someguy123 they can set your balance to 0, or invalidate blocks that your transactions were in [05:45]
Someguy123 just because realsolid doesn't like you [05:45]
Someguy123 :) [05:45]
Someguy123 or he'll hire people to DDOS you [05:45]
jine Seems like a fare chain :) [05:45]
jine fair* [05:46]
errydayimgenerat i didn't know you couldd get a job ddosin [05:46]
Someguy123 errydayimgenerat solidcoin.info is dead because realsolid wouldn't pay up the guy he hired [05:46]
Someguy123 for DDoSing eligius [05:46]
dwon Someguy123: Couldn't you just wait for so many confirmations or something? [05:46]
Someguy123 so now he's backfired against realsolid [05:46]
Someguy123 :3 [05:46]
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dwon Someguy123: Or is it because the network is still too small, so he can basically reset it like gmaxwell sometimes resets testnet. [05:46]
dwon ? [05:46]
Someguy123 dwon trusted nodes control every block on the network [05:46]
splatster Bitscalper has only lit a fire up under the ass of our stumbling market. [05:47]
Someguy123 splatster and that cunt claimed he hacked BTC-E earlier [05:47]
Someguy123 scared me into withdrawing my 2K LTC from it =_= [05:47]
splatster yup yup yup [05:47]
jine http://bitcoinmedia.com/warning-btc-e-compromised/ <-- BTC-E? [05:47]
splatster We are headed down [05:47]
splatster maybe [05:47]
splatster maybe not [05:47]
Someguy123 LOL [05:47]
splatster Who knows? [05:47]
dwon Someguy123: Is each block independent, though? If your transaction has 100 confirmations, wouldn't they lack the power to rewrite the block chain? [05:47]
jine I hope all bad services just die and disappear. [05:48]
Someguy123 jine that was bullshit most likely [05:48]
dwon damn, solidcoin.info is dead. I wanted to check the tech details again [05:48]
smickles ;;eightball gribble, are we headed down? [05:48]
gribble No. [05:48]
jine And we that got some experience and knowledge - will survive :) [05:48]
smickles i trust gribble [05:48]
Hunterbunter oh wow its still going [05:48]
jine So do i. [05:48]
Hunterbunter dropping I mean [05:48]
Someguy123 dwon yeah as I said, the guy realsolid hired to DOS eligius, backfired because realsolid wouldn't pay him [05:48]
Noitev ;;rate dbordello 7 [05:48]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user dbordello has changed from 3 to 7. [05:48]
Someguy123 dwon he could change the block your transactions were in [05:48]
Someguy123 to invalidate it [05:48]
Someguy123 your client is supposed to agree to anything trusted nodes send it [05:49]
Someguy123 if a trusted node tells it that it can now send all its coins to realsolid [05:49]
Someguy123 it has to do it. [05:49]
DBordello Noitev, :) [05:49]
Someguy123 it's backdoored :) [05:49]
dirkdizzler that's what she said [05:49]
splatster s/Solidcoin/Scamcoin/ [05:49]
Noitev well its something, i appreciate your understanding [05:49]
splatster *cough* *cough* *cough* [05:49]
Someguy123 [03:49:05] is solidcoin website and solidcoinmafia pool under DoS attack? [05:50]
Someguy123 [03:49:05] somebody DOS'n solidcoinmafia now? [05:50]
Someguy123 [03:49:17] Now slc24 is down [05:50]
Someguy123 [03:49:18] <@RealSolid> yeah [05:50]
Someguy123 [03:49:30] <@RealSolid> the "eligius" ddoser has moved onto us [05:50]
Someguy123 [03:49:50] Jesus, these btc people are so amateur [05:50]
Someguy123 LOL [05:50]
Someguy123 solidcoinmafia and SLC24 are getting hit by realsolids backfire now [05:50]
dwon Someguy123: Do you have any links I can use to independently verify what you're saying about how solidcoin works? [05:50]
mircea_popescu and im bought out [05:50]
mircea_popescu that went fast. [05:50]
Noitev buying btc with moneypak [05:51]
vragnaroda Someguy123: Next time, use a fucking pastebin. [05:51]
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Someguy123 dwon solidcoin.info is dead [05:51]
Noitev 660 for 5 ea [05:51]
Greed I need to start stockpiling MtGox monies for situations like this [05:51]
Someguy123 so nope. [05:51]
dwon I remember reading briefly about how solidcoin worked, and I don't remember noticing anything about trusted nodes, but I might have missed it. [05:51]
splatster vragnaroda: Tell him! [05:51]
Greed Nobody is selling anything right now. [05:51]
Noitev or really 660 usd for 5 usd per btc [05:51]
dirkdizzler i'm currently hoarding [05:51]
Noitev aw [05:51]
mircea_popescu indeed greed, i had them ready just for this. [05:51]
dwon Someguy123: Damn. (I sorta believe you, but I enjoy picking through protocol flaws for my own amusement :) [05:52]
Someguy123 dirkdizzler I'm hoarding too, litecoins. [05:52]
dirkdizzler fail [05:52]
splatster MBS: I'll give you 25 BTC for $140 Amazon GC [05:52]
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jine I'm COding ;) [05:52]
dwon Someguy123: That's kinda too bad about Solidcoin. I thought it would be neat to fix the 51% hash power attack. But, then again now that I think about it, not relying on the proof-of-work would pretty much break the thing that makes Bitcoin practical. I thought Solidcoin came up with some clever way around that, but maybe I was trusting their marketing material too much. [05:54]
Noitev can you take moneypak? [05:54]
MBS splatster, nothx [05:54]
splatster $125? [05:54]
copumpkin dwon: there's literally nothing worthwhile about solidcoin [05:55]
Raccoon any photo shoppers present? [05:55]
jjjrmy_ Raccoon: I am :) [05:55]
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MBS splatster, how about $120 [05:55]
MBS amazon payments [05:55]
copumpkin it's a cult of personality [05:55]
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Raccoon Suggestions on how to tackle this image? http://i.imgur.com/NP8P8.jpg [05:56]
novusordo so what's the deal with btc-e? was it hacked, or was that claim false? [05:56]
jjjrmy_ internet so slow :( [05:56]
noitev_ ;;gpg everify noitev [05:56]
splatster MBS: I don't want Amazon payments [05:56]
dwon copumpkin: I'm sure you're right; I'd just rather not take anyone's word for it if I don't have to. (Also, I'm a bit of a crypto nerd.) [05:56]
MBS oh just gc [05:56]
MBS but yeah either way, $120.50 [05:56]
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copumpkin dwon: oh, me too! so I'm all the more surprised that you took his word for it when his solution was adding multiple trusted third parties [05:57]
copumpkin and trusted them because they had lots of money [05:57]
Someguy123 Raccoon explain/ [05:57]
dwon copumpkin: I never got around to reading what the solution actually was. [05:57]
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Raccoon Someguy123: I'm trying to blend these 8 frames together into a nice sequence as laid out in that jpg [05:57]
dwon copumpkin: But now that you mention it, that's how it would have to work, isn't it? [05:57]
MBS splatster, want to take it? [05:57]
Noitev well, if anyone is selling btc for moneypak, like at least 320, tell them to query me please :) [05:58]
bowmessage Wait MBS are you selling BTC? [05:58]
MBS no [05:58]
gmaxwell dwon: he didn't even disclose it for about a month after SC 2.0 was released— it was closed source at first. [05:58]
bowmessage my bad [05:58]
splatster MBS: $120 email gc? [05:58]
MBS yeah [05:58]
copumpkin dwon: you can either trust global consensus (51%) or trust particular people (solidcoin's "solution") [05:58]
copumpkin I prefer the former [05:58]
dwon copumpkin: I think I may have been blinded by "trusted-third-parties? there's no way they'd do something that stupid" [05:58]
llanox Does anyone like iTunes? [05:58]
Someguy123 Raccoon just throw them in movie maker at a high speed [05:58]
copumpkin dwon: oh, they've done worse [05:58]
gmaxwell dwon: if thats were only the dumbest thing... [05:58]
splatster lemme think about it [05:58]
gmaxwell haha [05:58]
gmaxwell yea.. [05:58]
llanox How much would 60 btc cost me in mp? [05:58]
dwon I didn't realize it wasn't FOSS [05:58]
llanox Sellers? [05:58]
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Noitev i need 60 in mp.. [05:59]
Noitev but probably 320 [05:59]
Raccoon Someguy123: that doesn't create a single composit of 8 blended images [05:59]
copumpkin dwon: they actually managed to violate the MIT license, which takes some effort [05:59]
copumpkin I should say "he" [05:59]
gmaxwell dwon: there is source available now under a by-the-blessings-of-king-solid-only license [05:59]
Someguy123 Raccoon explain. [05:59]
dwon copumpkin: wow [05:59]
dwon How the fuck is attribution too hard? [05:59]
copumpkin he went and stripped copyright notices out of all the files and put them in the root of his project [05:59]
copumpkin or something along those lines [05:59]
Raccoon Someguy123: As you see the images in that jpg, that's how I want them to appear, with clean overlapping. [05:59]
gmaxwell dwon: it's hard when you're telling everyone you rewrote all the 'awful' bitcoin code, so then you have to strip the attribution. [05:59]
Someguy123 Raccoon oh thats easy [06:00]
Someguy123 let me just fire up CS5 [06:00]
* dwon *facepalms* [06:00]
gmaxwell copumpkin: no, he just stripped them completely. [06:00]
copumpkin oh [06:00]
copumpkin then after luke-jr bugged him for a while he put a notice in the root [06:00]
Raccoon Someguy123: What method approach do you suggest? [06:00]
copumpkin and said all was good, right? [06:00]
dwon copumpkin: I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be a violation if you put them in the root of the project [06:00]
gmaxwell (he later put something halfassed back at the root, after getting DMCAed .. after being complained at many many times) [06:00]
Raccoon Someguy123: btw, the actual workspace is 4x as large. [06:00]
luke-jr copumpkin: no, he still left out the license text [06:00]
copumpkin dwon: depends if you lost information in the process, I'd assume [06:00]
dwon "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software." [06:00]
gmaxwell dwon: yea, ITS NOT HARD [06:01]
dwon So if it's still included in the software, you should be okay [06:01]
luke-jr also, once you infringe, you lose your license [06:01]
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dwon luke-jr: Not quite sure if it works that way with MIT, but you'd still be liable for the infringement that you did commit. [06:01]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: you should come to Whiskey Dicks this wednesday, just don't bring your gun. k? [06:01]
gmaxwell dwon: then again, their latest update computes the exactly required subsidy amount as some function of time and difficulty using doubles and pow() [06:01]
luke-jr dwon: I don't see any cure clause in MIT [06:01]
gmaxwell dwon: so its safe to say that these are not smart people we're dealing with. [06:01]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: get a sane venue [06:01]
dwon luke-jr: You wouldn't necessarily need one. GPLv2 had an explicit termination clause. MIT just says "you have these permissions when you meet these conditions" [06:02]
copumpkin luke-jr and jjjrmy_ have met? [06:02]
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jjjrmy_ luke-jr: what other venue accepts Bitcoins? [06:02]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: that is local. [06:02]
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llanox Does anyone here sell large amounts of bitcoins? [06:02]
copumpkin llanox: depends what you consider large [06:02]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: who is going to protect me from the trolls? [06:02]
llanox 60 bitcoins [06:02]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: and LOCAL FOR WHOM? [06:02]
copumpkin lol [06:02]
Noitev trust me, if someone did i d be talking to them llanox [06:02]
luke-jr dwon: well, the judge can decide that [06:03]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: local for the majority of the attendies. [06:03]
copumpkin llanox: I'll sell you 5k bitcoins for $25 each [06:03]
vragnaroda lol, I can totally see luke-jr going to a place called Whiskey Dicks. [06:03]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: majority of attendies are near Tampa, not Orlando [06:03]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: who are the majority then? [06:03]
dwon luke-jr: Well yeah, I wouldn't want to rely on that. Besides it's the fscking MIT license. Just comply with it; problem solved. [06:03]
Noitev ;;bc,mtgox [06:03]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":5.55,"low":4.81,"avg":5.259380936,"vwap":5.213205091,"vol":159338,"last_all":4.81032,"last_local":4.81032,"last":4.81032,"buy":4.81177,"sell":4.82}} [06:03]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: and what establishment near Tampa accepts Bitcoins? [06:03]
Noitev man [06:03]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: most everyone around here I've seen on IRC [06:03]
copumpkin I am sometimes around tampa, too! [06:03]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: we can pick one and offer them our regular business if they do :P [06:03]
copumpkin I will sell my body for bitcoins when I'm in the area [06:04]
copumpkin for everyone else's benefit [06:04]
luke-jr dwon: not really, Solidcoin makes a mockery of Bitcoin; I see no reason to go easy on them [06:04]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: anywaysss, why not just come to a venue that already accepts Bitcoins. [06:04]
Noitev anyway, ill buy at 5 [06:04]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: because FL has ridiculous laws [06:04]
dwon luke-jr: I really wish I'd read the docs in more detail before solidcoin.info went down. It would have been fun. [06:04]
Noitev oh [06:04]
luke-jr suspending my rights in such a venue [06:04]
Noitev crap [06:04]
dwon ah well [06:04]
Noitev what was the pits room name again? [06:04]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: just leave your gun in the car [06:04]
Noitev and do people even go there? [06:04]
jjjrmy_ Noitev: #bitcoin-pit [06:04]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: why? [06:04]
Noitev ty [06:05]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: there is no need to bring it into a bar! [06:05]
dwon gmaxwell: I'm a bit fuzzy on the details. What do you mean about the pow() using doubles thing? [06:05]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: there could be [06:05]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: such as? [06:05]
dwon gmaxwell: Is this something that needs to be an exact figure? [06:05]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: such as if someone goes nuts and starts shooting [06:05]
luke-jr heck, a bar is one of the *last* places I'd want to be unarmed [06:05]
jjjrmy_ luke-jr: well, I've gone every week for a copule of months and that has yet to happen. [06:05]
luke-jr jjjrmy_: relevance? [06:05]
luke-jr gambler's fallacy! [06:06]
Hunterbunter so whats the next bottom? [06:06]
copumpkin I've gone my entire life without dying [06:06]
copumpkin !!! [06:06]
copumpkin I SHALL NEVER DIE [06:06]
luke-jr copumpkin: I know srsly [06:06]
amiller i've died twice [06:06]
amiller this is crap [06:06]
jjjrmy_ okay, your loss [06:06]
copumpkin proof by induction bitch [06:06]
copumpkin trust me, I do formal proofs for fun [06:06]
smickles wait, you can prove things by induction? [06:06]
copumpkin and recursion [06:06]
gmaxwell dwon: subsidy.. the amount of coin a block gives you. it's a protocol rule which must be _exact_ or you'll reject the block. [06:06]
luke-jr smickles: … did you ever study logic? [06:07]
gmaxwell dwon: if two nodes reach a different conclusion on what the subsidy should be, they'll form seperate chains. [06:07]
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smickles copumpkin: i thought induction lacked reasonable certainty [06:07]
dwon gmaxwell: *blink* [06:07]
luke-jr gmaxwell: it doesn't need to be exact, no [06:07]
jjjrmy night [06:07]
smickles luke-jr: yes [06:07]
gmaxwell luke-jr: oh fair, it can't be greater. [06:07]
copumpkin smickles: o.O [06:07]
luke-jr gmaxwell: if there's a problem, you'll just get a temporary fork [06:07]
gmaxwell I actually think they changed it to exact. [06:07]
splatster ;;asks 5 [06:07]
gribble There are currently 628.97199 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 3122.53980365 USD in total. [06:07]
luke-jr fail [06:07]
MBS ;;asks 20 [06:07]
gribble There are currently 240342.17 bitcoins offered at or under 20.0 USD, worth 1933523.69923 USD in total. [06:07]
gmaxwell luke-jr: and even if, not if the greater side has more hash power. [06:07]
copumpkin smickles: are you serious? :) [06:08]
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MBS only $2 million [06:08]
dwon gmaxwell: Sounds scary, but would it actually be a problem, as long as every node had an IEEE i-forget-what-number-compliant floating-point implementation (which basically everyone does)? [06:08]
splatster ;;asks 30 [06:08]
copumpkin I can never quite tell with people on the internet [06:08]
gribble There are currently 253306.53 bitcoins offered at or under 30.0 USD, worth 2279618.27705 USD in total. [06:08]
splatster ;;asks 100 [06:08]
gribble There are currently 270620.75 bitcoins offered at or under 100.0 USD, worth 3030919.07634 USD in total. [06:08]
amiller ieee754 [06:08]
gmaxwell dwon: so .. no x86_32? [06:08]
copumpkin dwon: there are minor variations [06:08]
splatster ;;asks 400 [06:08]
gribble There are currently 270877.25 bitcoins offered at or under 400.0 USD, worth 3084751.39608 USD in total. [06:08]
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amiller you do not want floating ponits in your finance [06:08]
NxTitle do you have to do this in the channel? [06:08]
gmaxwell dwon: x86_32 is not ieee754 because the x87 has 80 bits of precision, which gets truncated to 64 bits only when a register spills to memory. [06:08]
MBS you people should buy a dedicated server in bitcoins [06:08]
dwon copumpkin, gmaxwell: Different floating-point register lengths, right? [06:08]
dwon gmaxwell: right, ok [06:09]
MBS 57.5 BTC for 1 year of an atom dedicated server, 2gb ram, 1TB hdd [06:09]
amiller stick to satoshis [06:09]
copumpkin dwon: there are 80-bit registers, yeah [06:09]
amiller discrete and well defined [06:09]
gmaxwell dwon: not only that, pow() is not exactly specified even on ieee754 systems. [06:09]
splatster Hmm I like what I just said to MBS. [06:09]
splatster I'm the captain of a sinking ship. [06:09]
gmaxwell dwon: but hey, since mining SC now only gives you 0.07 SC, I guess it doesn't matter much. [06:09]
splatster so true [06:09]
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smickles copumpkin: oh, yeah, reasonable < absolute ;) [06:10]
stamit "Bitcoin termination" people! it's the "termination" of Bitcoin! run for your lives!! [06:10]
splatster Maybe not the captain but you get the idea [06:10]
mircea_popescu lmao [06:10]
copumpkin smickles: induction is probably one of the most common forms of proof out there [06:10]
copumpkin I also use coinduction, but that isn't very common outside of certain circles [06:10]
dwon gmaxwell: oh right, I guess the pow() spec doesn't necessarily say that you have to multiply the base by itself, according to ieee754, exponent-times. Actually, I'm pretty sure it doesn't. [06:10]
copumpkin coinduction sounds appropriate for bitcoin [06:10]
copumpkin cause you know, bitcoinduction [06:10]
dwon and it wouldn't work if the exponent isn't an integer anyway [06:10]
llanox anyone like iTunes? [06:11]
amiller coin ducks [06:11]
luke-jr can we replace base58 with base 58.1415 ? [06:11]
luke-jr please? [06:11]
mircea_popescu i read stamit, i go to check all panicked, i see price actually went up from where i buyed [06:11]
amiller lol [06:11]
copumpkin oh yes please [06:11]
copumpkin luke-jr: why make it rational [06:11]
copumpkin I want an irrational base [06:11]
amiller pi-coin [06:11]
mircea_popescu i had a gf like that cop. she was irrationally base. [06:11]
NxTitle should be base3.1415 [06:12]
amiller that joke would work well in french [06:12]
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mircea_popescu i thought it in french :) [06:12]
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splatster Wow there are sells on Mt. Gox above $1,000 [06:12]
copumpkin pi-monnaie [06:12]
gmaxwell dwon: I dunno what c++ has to say about it but iirc c89 only says "The pow function returns the value of x raised to the power y" about pow. e.g. nothing about rounding such. [06:12]
copumpkin splatster: there are joke orders on both sides [06:12]
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mircea_popescu anyone selling for negative ? [06:12]
amiller rofl [06:12]
luke-jr base 19π [06:12]
amiller pi is bullshit anyway we should be adopting tau [06:13]
dwon NxTitle: No, base 6.2832: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jG7vhMMXagQ [06:13]
amiller 2pi is the actual natural value [06:13]
gmaxwell Τ [06:13]
luke-jr base 10τ [06:13]
* smickles was waiting for tau to come up [06:13]
splatster 27 million BTC on the bid side [06:13]
dwon YES! [06:13]
amiller inb4vihart [06:13]
copumpkin tau! [06:13]
dwon amiller: nice [06:13]
amiller damn, i missed, gj dwon [06:13]
luke-jr base 9τ (tonal) [06:13]
NxTitle lol [06:13]
copumpkin smickles: anyway, you can prove lots of fun things with induction! [06:13]
gmaxwell Of course everyone has seen the tau page. [06:13]
dwon you guys are awesome [06:13]
copumpkin there are also many different forms of induction [06:13]
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luke-jr tau vs pi is less important than tonal vs decimal [06:13]
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NxTitle decimal ftw [06:14]
NxTitle :P [06:14]
* gribble gives voice to Woofcat [06:14]
luke-jr but I do have a dedicated τ keypress! [06:14]
gmaxwell τ [06:14]
gmaxwell me too. [06:14]
Hunterbunter alright this werebear has awoken....shorted lots and lots...down down down gogogo!!! [06:14]
* NxTitle needs to enable unicode [06:14]
gmaxwell greek-t [06:14]
Hunterbunter oh yeah tau [06:14]
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vragnaroda NxTitle: 네! [06:15]
luke-jr http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/keyboard/dvorak-tonal.png [06:15]
Hunterbunter how unfortunate a dude thought the half circle was more important 2000 yaers ago and we never bothered to fix that [06:15]
NxTitle vragnaroda: I see "?!" [06:15]
luke-jr NxTitle: ⁈ [06:15]
dwon gmaxwell: I just checked: C99 says the same thing. [06:15]
NxTitle don't know if I'm supposed to [06:15]
NxTitle :P [06:15]
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Hunterbunter oh wait that like applies to everything [06:15]
vragnaroda NxTitle: 아니오. [06:15]
dwon You guys have heard about the number Wau, right? [06:15]
amiller what an awful alphabet luke-jr i don't see what's wrong with ABCDEF [06:15]
amiller maybe i should take that to another hcannel though [06:15]
amiller do you have #tonal [06:16]
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luke-jr amiller: …yes, but tonal doesn't do alphabet :p [06:16]
* vragnaroda smacks amiller with a fire extinguisher. [06:16]
splatster "I found you Miss New Butty!" - Ying Yang Twins [06:16]
luke-jr does your keyboard actually do ABCDEF? [06:16]
vragnaroda amiller: Those are *not* letters. [06:16]
Woofcat Anyone selling BTC for PP [06:16]
vragnaroda And if you use ABCDEF for hexadecimal, they're not, either. [06:16]
splatster Woofcat: I'll give you 25 BTC for $200 [06:17]
vragnaroda Letters and numerals do not overlap. [06:17]
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* Woofcat does math [06:17]
dwon lol [06:17]
Woofcat Yeah [06:17]
pp7 splatster, ROFL [06:17]
Woofcat shitty deal [06:17]
smickles ;;calc 200/25 [06:17]
gribble 8 [06:17]
dwon Woofcat: I'll give you 30 BTC for $200 [06:17]
dwon much better deal [06:17]
smickles ;;calc 200/30 [06:18]
gribble 6.66666666667 [06:18]
Woofcat How about... [06:18]
Woofcat ;;ticker [06:18]
gribble Best bid: 4.87212, Best ask: 4.902, Bid-ask spread: 0.02988, Last trade: 4.902, 24 hour volume: 154643, 24 hour low: 4.81, 24 hour high: 5.55 [06:18]
pp7 LOL [06:18]
smickles ;;calc 200/[ticker --last] [06:18]
splatster LOL [06:18]
gribble 40.7996736026 [06:18]
amiller man we're fucked, sorry bitcoin [06:18]
splatster LOL [06:18]
vragnaroda NxTitle: Here, I'll help you a bit. [06:18]
vragnaroda .u 네 [06:18]
markac U+B124 HANGUL SYLLABLE NE (네) [06:18]
pp7 amiller, ROFL [06:18]
vragnaroda .u 아니오 [06:18]
markac U+C544 HANGUL SYLLABLE A (아) [06:18]
markac U+B2C8 HANGUL SYLLABLE NI (니) [06:18]
markac U+C624 HANGUL SYLLABLE O (오) [06:18]
vragnaroda NxTitle: Those are the two things I said with Unicode characters to you. [06:19]
NxTitle neanio? [06:19]
MBS 1 year of a dedicated atom or better server, only 57.25 BTC [06:19]
DBordello atom server? [06:19]
DBordello can't wait [06:19]
MBS lol [06:19]
Woofcat ;;getrating [ident splatster] [06:19]
gribble User splatster, created on Fri Jan 13 22:39:48 2012. Cumulative rating 13, from 10 total ratings. Received ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 12 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=splatster Currently authenticated from hostmask splatster!~splatster@unaffiliated/splatster [06:19]
dwon I like how the channel got really quiet when splatster offered Woofcat his fantastic deal [06:19]
MBS well some people get lucky and get dual core pentiums [06:20]
vragnaroda NxTitle: No, ne was in response to you saying you should get unicode working and ani(y)o was in response to your question if it was supposed to look like “?!” [06:20]
splatster dwon: I hate when that happens [06:20]
Woofcat Why is gribble now speaking in the channel. [06:20]
NxTitle ah [06:20]
Woofcat Like, a week ago, he would PM you. [06:20]
smickles ;;lucky bitcoin draino [06:20]
gribble https://bitcointalk.org/?%25E2%2580%259C [06:20]
dwon Woofcat: Makes more sense that if you ask for something in the channel, that the reply goes to the channel [06:21]
vragnaroda NxTitle: ne = yes, ani-o = no. [06:21]
Hunterbunter noooooooo down [06:21]
dwon I don't know what changed, though [06:21]
Noitev didnt he used to speak in the channel? [06:21]
Woofcat Noitev, na, it used to always message you. [06:21]
Noitev your not old like me [06:21]
Woofcat True [06:21]
Woofcat but like 12 days ago [06:21]
Woofcat it used to PM you [06:21]
Noitev i mean like 6 months ago [06:22]
Noitev then they decided itd pm you [06:22]
dwon Hunterbunter: #debian does this all the time. If somebody asks a question, someone else can do "!blah" and the bot will answer the person's question. If people to !whatever too much, someone says "!msg the bot", which displays a factoid saying to msg the bot instead of spamming the channel. [06:22]
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MBS above 5 again [06:22]
Noitev now they changed it back? [06:22]
splatster See, we are already back above 5 [06:22]
dwon Hunterbunter: it works really well [06:22]
Hunterbunter dwon lol k but...why are you telling me taht? [06:22]
smickles ;;view 6784 [06:23]
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gribble #6784 Mon Feb 13 07:07:13 2012 smickles BUY 3.867374 btc @ 5.2077 usd ((price per btc) ppusd preferred method of usd tx) [06:23]
smickles thiswholetime [06:23]
Noitev 1msg the bot [06:23]
Noitev !msg the bot [06:23]
dwon oh, nevermind. I saw "noooooo down" and read it as "nooooo dwon" [06:23]
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Noitev lol [06:23]
Hunterbunter lol [06:23]
dwon Noitev: I think gribble uses ;; instead of ! [06:23]
Hunterbunter all good...I just made a request for btc to get cheaper, sincee I shorted, and it seems the channel had not heard me correctly [06:23]
smickles !eightball gribble , do you use this? [06:24]
gribble Maybe... [06:24]
Hunterbunter !eightball gribble , lol so yeah do you think btc will go down?? [06:24]
MBS right now only 140 BTC for 1 year of a kimsufi 16G server, sandy bridge i5-2300 is the usual processor, 16GB ram, 2TB HDD, 10TB @ 100mbps [06:24]
MBS http://www.kimsufi.ie/ [06:24]
Hunterbunter aww didn't respond to me [06:24]
splatster ;;eightball Is SolidCoin a scam? [06:24]
gribble You know the answer better than I. [06:24]
smickles lol [06:25]
MBS Woofcat, werent you looking for a dedicated server? [06:25]
Hunterbunter ;;eightball is this how you use it? [06:25]
Woofcat Yeah [06:25]
Hunterbunter aww [06:25]
Hunterbunter perhaps I'm just not cool enough for gribble to notice [06:25]
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smickles ;;eightball will Hunterbunter auth? [06:25]
gribble What are you asking me for? [06:25]
Noitev O.O [06:25]
Hunterbunter lolwhat [06:25]
Hunterbunter auth? [06:25]
Noitev authenticate [06:26]
Hunterbunter oo gribble opened a private chat! how nice [06:26]
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kwiko anyone willing to help me build some rep by selling me fractions or a single BTC for paypal money? :) [06:26]
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Noitev um [06:26]
smickles kwiko: not me [06:26]
Woofcat kwiko, wrong concept [06:26]
smickles ^ [06:26]
Noitev the point of rep is for it to be legit [06:26]
DBordello kwiko, I'll sell you a rating for $20 PP [06:26]
Noitev otherwise you could do that a lot and then when you trade big bucks take it all at once [06:26]
kwiko Ah, gotcha. That makes sense. So what's the best way to build a reputation then? [06:27]
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amiller i'll sell you 1 btc for paypal money, to hell with the haters [06:27]
amiller are you authed with the gribmeister [06:27]
kwiko I am :) [06:27]
Noitev yeah just try to make legit transactions [06:27]
Noitev 1 btc is fine generally [06:27]
smickles kwiko: buy with moneypak/ LRUSD or sell btc to get rep [06:28]
Noitev but 0.01 is kinda sketchy [06:28]
luke-jr jjjrmy: how about a pizza place in Brooksville? :P [06:28]
paulzag I;ll sell to to kwiko [06:28]
Noitev also still buying 660 btc [06:28]
luke-jr jjjrmy: my family went when they were closed once, and they let us order and eat in anyway <.< [06:28]
Noitev at whatever price seems good [06:28]
Noitev i mean 660 usd worth of btc [06:28]
novusordo also still buying 5 btc [06:28]
Noitev at whatever price seems good [06:29]
Noitev lol [06:29]
smickles ;;view 6784 [06:30]
gribble #6784 Mon Feb 13 07:07:13 2012 smickles BUY 3.867374 btc @ 5.2077 usd ((price per btc) ppusd preferred method of usd tx) [06:30]
dwon luke-jr: I hope you guys tipped well [06:31]
luke-jr dwon: I forget, it was a while ago :p [06:31]
luke-jr point being, they might be easier to convince to accept Bitcoins [06:32]
splatster Oh well, bitscalper ran away with the money. [06:32]
smickles really? [06:32]
paulzag really? [06:32]
dwon eh? site still looks up (although I don't have an account...) [06:32]
smickles ;;echo echo? [06:32]
gribble echo? [06:32]
paulzag :D [06:33]
paulzag for the echo -- not the bitscalper flit [06:33]
dwon splatster: how do you know? [06:34]
luke-jr "eddy echo!" [06:34]
splatster 2 pages of pending withdrawals [06:34]
luke-jr ^ my 2 year old [06:34]
dwon they're all for today, though. Couldn't it just be a lot of withdrawls? [06:35]
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Geno_ The day... that bitcoin died... [06:36]
splatster OR they ran away with the money [06:37]
dwon splatster: well, sure, but I think it's still a bit soon to call it that yet [06:37]
Geno_ they started singing: bye, bye, miss american pie. Drove my chevy to the levy buy the mtgox was dry [06:38]
dwon It could also be a software problem. Not like anyone *cough*MtGox*cough* has ever had one of those before [06:38]
amiller ;;rate kwiko 1 swell dude, check out his design portfolio http://cocoia.com/ [06:39]
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Geno_ Those good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye, singing, "this will be the day that BTC dies...." "this will be the day that BTC dies..." [06:40]
dwon kwiko: on http://cocoia.com/projects.html "Latitude" just points to a domain parking page [06:40]
Hunterbunter does anyone know what that alternative bitcoin chart similar to mtgoxlive was called? [06:40]
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AcidicChip bitcoincharts? [06:40]
Hunterbunter you could set the background to black [06:40]
Hunterbunter no it was a realtime one [06:41]
silvercoin Ugg bitcoin is going down quick [06:41]
kwiko ;;rate amiller 1 great friendly guy with noble ideals and great manners [06:41]
Noitev ;;bc,mtgox [06:41]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user amiller has been recorded. [06:41]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":5.55,"low":4.81,"avg":5.245795943,"vwap":5.20342786,"vol":150298,"last_all":4.912,"last_local":4.912,"last":4.912,"buy":4.91202,"sell":4.972}} [06:41]
dwon Yeah, I'd like an alternative to mtgoxlive that doesn't drown Firefox if I leave it running for a few minutes [06:41]
Noitev meh [06:41]
Noitev its not too bad [06:41]
kwiko ah sorry dwon [06:41]
kwiko that shit got snatched from me. should update that page! [06:42]
silvercoin pretty bad to me it's dropped almost 1$ in 3 days [06:42]
Noitev oh [06:42]
Noitev well sorry :/ [06:42]
silvercoin All good [06:42]
silvercoin I jst wonder how much further it will drop [06:42]
dwon kwiko: oh, heh, "as more projects are launched in 2009"... :) [06:42]
kwiko haha, yeah -- blog.cocoia.com is a bit more up to date [06:42]
kwiko going to get that all updated soon... if I find time. [06:43]
Cory silvercoin: That just means it's time to buy. :) [06:43]
amiller i said 'look', not criticize [06:43]
silvercoin Yea if it gets near 3$ and stays there for a bit I will buy lots [06:43]
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dwon kwiko: heh. your website's doing better than mine is. Mine is full of obsolete crap on the front page: https://www.dlitz.net/ [06:43]
amiller yeah i keep mine up to date soc1024.com [06:44]
kwiko better than nothing dwon! [06:44]
dwon "addrow - how to add a row of input fields to an HTML form." <-- just use fscking jQuery now. [06:44]
Cory Ew! The days of the three dollar bitcoin are over! [06:44]
silvercoin lol [06:44]
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silvercoin how can you be so sure [06:44]
Cory Because I'm long! [06:44]
dwon lol [06:45]
silvercoin wtf [06:45]
Hunterbunter I was long until I was burdered by a werebear, now I'm a werebear too [06:45]
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pigeons i was longer, till the brisk [06:45]
dwon My options at this point are between: "long" and "less long", 'cause I bought at ~ $6.50 [06:46]
amiller burdered [06:46]
amiller sunk costs dwon, there's only the present [06:46]
Hunterbunter oh em gee [06:46]
Hunterbunter I mean beardered! [06:46]
dwon amiller: well, I actually think the price will go up in the long term, but it might be awhile [06:47]
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amiller i think bitcoin is satire [06:47]
Hunterbunter tahts how werebears do it [06:47]
amiller it's better than gold, but it reveals how silly gold was to begin with. [06:47]
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dwon I still think it's really handy for micropayments and things like "I'm a FOSS developer; donate to me!" [06:48]
Hunterbunter I read some anthopology research a little while ago that claimed we never bartered...people were all hippy and everything was gifted [06:48]
Hunterbunter people never returned gifts were simply shunned out of the community [06:49]
Hunterbunter *people who never [06:49]
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dwon Hunterbunter: That would just mean that the exchange was less open. Trade favours for favour. It actually sounds very oppressive. [06:49]
dwon The dominant individuals were probably able to extract "gifts" from others [06:50]
amiller i have my longbets on a credit based successor to bitcoin that retains all the good parts [06:50]
Hunterbunter that may be, but it does diminish support for the idea that currency was a natural progression from bartering [06:50]
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amiller the public/private keys and the decentralized anti-double-spend system [06:51]
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dwon Hunterbunter: It's still a useful way to explain currency, even if it's not historically accurate. But yeah; interesting. [06:51]
amiller Hunterbunter, i assume you're referring to the david graeber Debt book [06:51]
Cory Keep smiling through just like you always do. :) [06:51]
Hunterbunter what about currency because of taxation? ie we'll pay solidiers a gold each, you have to find a way to give us a gold each at the end of this year [06:52]
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Hunterbunter amiller sorry could be, I have no memory of the details (should have paid more attention) [06:52]
amiller realizing that 'barter' never existed was my biggest eye opener of the last six months (bitcoin being the biggest of the 6 months prior to that) [06:52]
amiller anthropologists have basically found themselves in a flat out conflict with mainstream economists [06:53]
dwon I've found that economists frequently have opinions about things outside economics, and are frequently wrong. [06:53]
amiller it'http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_anthropology [06:53]
dwon It's to the point now where, I can point to an arbitrary crackpot theory, and there's a good chance that it's an economist who's proposing it [06:54]
Hunterbunter lol [06:54]
smickles ;;sell 1 btc @ {mtgoxlast} LRUSD [06:54]
gribble Order id 6797 created. [06:54]
dwon I'm still waiting for an economist to start arguing with me about crypto on a public forum. It would be hilarious. [06:54]
amiller please send me a link if that occurs dwon [06:55]
smickles ;;ident dwon [06:55]
gribble Nick 'dwon', with hostmask 'dwon!~dwon@75.119.251.37', is not identified. [06:55]
smickles aw, i was gonna sent you an encrypted message :( [06:55]
smickles publicly [06:55]
dwon gimme a sec [06:55]
amiller gribble > keyserver [06:55]
dwon ;;ident dwon [06:56]
gribble Nick 'dwon', with hostmask 'dwon!~dwon@75.119.251.37', is identified as user dwon, with GPG key id 928CEC1339C25CF7, and key fingerprint 19E11FE8B3CFF273ED174A24928CEC1339C25CF7. [06:56]
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dwon I don't understand why people bother with "key ids"; especially "long key ids". They're just truncated versions of the fingerprint. Just use the whole fingerprint! [06:58]
MBS dwon, less to remember? [06:59]
Hunterbunter dwon just reading up on bartering systems...it seems there's no evidence of a society/economy that primarily on it [07:00]
amiller like you're gonna remember all of 16 random characters [07:00]
dwon ^ [07:00]
MBS easier than remembering 48 or w/e [07:01]
Hunterbunter dwon according to simple wiki...although the debt thing does remind me of pretty much being the same as money (that is money is an oppressive form of obligation) [07:01]
mircea_popescu key ids are basically conveniently truncated key ids [07:01]
mircea_popescu key ids are basically conveniently truncated key fingerprints i mean. [07:01]
MBS someone buy a dedicated server from me [07:01]
MBS 57.5 BTC for 1 year of an atom dedicated server, 2gb ram, 1TB hdd [07:01]
dwon Hunterbunter: Money is the best kind of obligation! You can explicitly negotiate it, in advance, rather relying on bellyfeel to determine when you've paid a debt, for example [07:02]
MBS 140 BTC for 1 year of a kimsufi 16G server, sandy bridge i5-2300 is the usual processor, 16GB ram, 2TB HDD, 10TB @ 100mbps [07:02]
amiller the most important thing to take back from the debt book is that debt can and often is canceled for social reasons [07:02]
amiller the rigidness and coldness of bank debt is the unnatural thing, that only works when everything is going well [07:02]
MBS dwon, ill give you this cart of apples for 50 bear pelts in 6 months [07:02]
MBS deal? [07:02]
Hunterbunter do people forgive money debts as easily as they do gifted obligations? [07:02]
amiller when it breaks down, social factors start to dominate [07:02]
amiller Hunterbunter, often easier [07:03]
mircea_popescu ya right amiller. [07:03]
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dwon I prefer the way git handles truncating hashes. The software itself (including URLs, etc) generally use the full hash, but you can specify truncated versions if you want, and the software will fail if there is more than one hash that matches your truncated version. [07:03]
mircea_popescu look at greece. [07:03]
amiller for example in the US you can simply walk away from any commercial debt [07:03]
smickles http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=tsRDrFcr [07:03]
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amiller well the thing with greece and other european debts is that they're orchestrated by central banks in various countries [07:03]
amiller they don't necessarily reflect the consent of the citizens [07:03]
dwon MBS: Hmm. How are we going to remember that that was our agreement? [07:03]
dwon MBS: better write it down. [07:03]
amiller and when it breaks down, that's what happens on the streets, citizens rejecting the sanctity of their central bank [07:04]
MBS you do it by making the agreement in public [07:04]
MBS so that everyone knows [07:04]
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Hunterbunter Credit would be quite amusing in a barter ssytem [07:04]
MBS and of course you can do a contract as well [07:04]
MBS Hunterbunter, idk if you watch anime, but if you do, check out spice and wolf [07:04]
dwon Oh, hey, amiller, do you want the 50 bear pelts that MBS is going to give me in 6 months? Just give me 40 bear pelts now. [07:04]
MBS its entirly about that [07:04]
MBS but its not bear season yet :p [07:05]
amiller i don't believe your contract is enforceable, even within bitcoin-otc, so no i will pass [07:05]
MBS so would only give you 25 right now [07:05]
MBS lol main character in show gets screwed at one point though [07:05]
dwon Hunterbunter: The thing about the barter system, is that I kind of think it would really quickly devolve into something involving trading promises, rather than trading actual goods. [07:06]
MBS trades something for a shitton of armor, then when he gets to town to sell armor at, finds out the "crusades" for this year have been canceled [07:06]
MBS so his armor is worthless [07:06]
Hunterbunter yeah I agree dwon...which makes me think it never really existed in great form int eh first place [07:06]
dwon Hunterbunter: So it may have effectively existed, but as soon as a population gets large enough, it would fall into disuse. I guess the argument you're putting forth is that smaller populations didn't use the barter system either. [07:06]
mircea_popescu i think "worthless" is a concept that only works in cash economies mbs [07:06]
Hunterbunter I find it hard to believe currency replaced the barter system, because the barter system is too shitty to work in the first place [07:07]
mircea_popescu in barter systems the goods have a diff relation to their intrinsic values. [07:07]
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amiller dwon, the real point is that empirically speaking, no barter system has ever existed in a civilization [07:07]
dwon mircea_popescu: "worthless" means "I'm not willing to give you anything for it" [07:07]
amiller dwon anthropologists have looked and have not found it [07:07]
mircea_popescu no dwon, not at all. [07:07]
dwon amiller: I could believe that [07:07]
amiller dwon instead, even in small societies, rituals and all sorts of other bizarre circumstances can be found, but not barter [07:07]
dwon amiller: seems plausible, I mean [07:07]
mircea_popescu it means "no money for it" [07:07]
MBS mircea_popescu, no one would trade much of anything for his armor [07:07]
MBS of course the show isnt completly barter, there is obviously gold and silver too [07:07]
mircea_popescu MBS that is usually the case in all contexts of a barter system [07:07]
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Hunterbunter I used to sell some sauces I made at famers markets [07:08]
MBS also credit was used in barter systems [07:08]
MBS http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barter [07:08]
MBS While one-to-one bartering is practised between individuals and businesses on an informal basis, organized barter exchanges have developed to conduct third party bartering. A barter exchange operates as a broker and bank in which each participating member has an account that is debited when purchases are made, and credited when sales are made. Compared to one-to-one bartering, concerns over unequal exchanges are reduced in a barter exchange. [07:08]
amiller http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/09/david-graeber-on-the-invention-of-money-%E2%80%93-notes-on-sex-adventure-monomaniacal-sociopathy-and-the-true-function-of-economics.html [07:08]
Hunterbunter whenever a fellow stall holder wanted some...if I also wanted waht they had...we would actually trade in $...ie he takes what he wants, I take what I want, and we pay the difference in cash [07:08]
mircea_popescu if you live in a barter economy, the one guarantee you have is that most of the time nobodu'd trade you anything for anything. [07:08]
Hunterbunter it's only possible with cash [07:08]
mircea_popescu the ideea of indefinite tradeability of anything for anything squarely depends on a backing currency [07:09]
Hunterbunter oh I meant secondary credit [07:09]
mircea_popescu so does "price" and so does "value" [07:09]
Hunterbunter as in credit on money, not money itself [07:09]
dwon mircea_popescu: value is independent of money [07:09]
amiller er this link is more direct [07:09]
amiller http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/08/what-is-debt-%E2%80%93-an-interview-with-economic-anthropologist-david-graeber.html [07:09]
amiller Philip Pilkington: Let’s begin. Most economists claim that money was invented to replace the barter system. But you’ve found something quite different, am I correct? [07:09]
amiller David Graeber: Yes there’s a standard story we’re all taught, a ‘once upon a time’ — it’s a fairy tale. [07:09]
dwon mircea_popescu: maybe not the best essay on the topic, but here: http://paulgraham.com/wealth.html [07:10]
mircea_popescu i know graham. [07:10]
Hunterbunter I find it much more plausible that trade tokens were established extremely early by leaders of a group...eg even sea shells were used as currency for native americans [07:11]
Hunterbunter (if I remember correctly) [07:11]
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rg i blocked my windows [15:37]
rg so now its like night time in here all time [15:37]
Greed Why would you want that [15:37]
rg cause then no sunlight gets in [15:38]
smickles peace from that sadistic thing in the sky [15:38]
Greed Why would you want that [15:41]
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M4v3R Nice buy [15:44]
M4v3R 6k [15:44]
mircea_popescu :) [15:44]
rg doesnt matter [15:45]
rg bitcoin is over [15:45]
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copumpkin lol [15:45]
smickles loololol [15:45]
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draco49 That's not a very good attitude for the guy that runs the leading BitVPS service... [15:45]
OneFixt i'll hold your bitcoins while you weep for them [15:45]
copumpkin rg: you got a bell so you can stand at the street corner? [15:45]
rg nope [15:46]
Tril rg: roller coaster reversed!! whee [15:46]
rg we closed [15:46]
draco49 Aww man... I was gonna register an account today :( [15:46]
smickles draco49: at TH? [15:46]
rg we switched to SolidCoins [15:46]
rg so its SolidVPS now [15:46]
copumpkin rg: nice! [15:46]
Greed http://puu.sh/gTl5 [15:46]
rg its even a better name [15:46]
Greed Something isn't right here. [15:46]
draco49 LOL no, I meant a BitVPS acct [15:46]
draco49 I'm banking on LightCoins [15:47]
rg mmm nice thanks for leaking your username greed [15:47]
Greed Not exactly a secret [15:47]
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Greed I've got plenty more where that came from [15:47]
Greed ~7 or so active usernames atm [15:47]
Greed Triple that in unique passwords [15:48]
Greed I like to keep my identities separate. [15:48]
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copumpkin why do you need more than two usernames? [15:48]
rg its so sad [15:48]
rg with btc down so low [15:48]
Phoebus lol [15:48]
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rg bitvps prices are higher than ever [15:48]
smickles rg:, did't you want to sell at like 7.2? [15:48]
rg and they work on an average too so its not even as high as it will be [15:48]
rg smickles: 6.10 [15:48]
Greed For anonymity / security reasons, copumpkin [15:49]
smickles ah [15:49]
smickles greed opens a new account for every position taken [15:49]
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copumpkin o.O [15:49]
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shades r-r-r-r-raaalllly [15:50]
copumpkin lol [15:51]
M4v3R Upside down rally maybe [15:51]
Cory Bitcoinica only offers one position: BTC/USD [15:51]
copumpkin MagicalTux: O MAGICALTUX, ONLY YOU CAN SAVE US [15:51]
MagicalTux copumpkin: ? [15:51]
shades solidcoins wtf are those? [15:51]
copumpkin lol [15:51]
rg magicaltux is the one who brought it down [15:51]
rg for trading fees [15:51]
Hunterbunter still think it's going to dump more m4v3r? [15:51]
shades rg, why do you say btc is over? [15:51]
rg one thing is true though [15:51]
shades lightcoins? [15:52]
rg youd never see mtgox funds go to improving the exchange rate [15:52]
rg they just take money [15:52]
copumpkin rg: that makes no sense [15:52]
Cory We tickled 4.8! :O [15:52]
rg sure it does [15:52]
Hunterbunter rg: do you think bitcoinica are doing that? [15:52]
rg everything i say makes sense [15:52]
rg no [15:52]
rg and i want bitcoinica out of here [15:52]
rg theyre ruining bitcoin [15:52]
Hunterbunter I agree with that [15:52]
copumpkin lol [15:52]
rg managerial impotent [15:53]
rg managerial impotentence [15:53]
draco49 Fire up LOIC and take-em down. [15:53]
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copumpkin Hunterbunter: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63451.msg743342#msg743342 [15:53]
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Hunterbunter which part are you pointing out copumpkin? [15:54]
copumpkin my comment in general [15:54]
copumpkin and how it ties in to the anti-bitcoinica sentiment [15:54]
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shades brb... [15:54]
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Hunterbunter I may just be a nub, but can you explain what you mean there? [15:56]
rg i guess ill make a tuna melt [15:56]
Hunterbunter I mean [15:56]
rg for breakfast [15:56]
copumpkin I'm mocking the "ZOMG IT DOESN'T FIT MY SIMPLISTIC MODEL OF HOW A MARKET SHOULD WORK SO IT MUST BE WHY I JUST LOST MONEY" [15:56]
Hunterbunter you described all the possibilities? [15:56]
rg nto everyone is a trading genius like you coumpkin [15:57]
Hunterbunter ah I see :) [15:57]
rg mr. i dont even trade anymore [15:57]
BTCHero seriously bitcoinica should just fuck off [15:57]
BTCHero You can't even use it [15:57]
BTCHero starred up all the time [15:57]
copumpkin BTCHero: see above [15:57]
Phoebus rg actually is using BTC thus putting real value behind it. [15:57]
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rg surely trying [15:57]
copumpkin hey, I bought some alpaca socks [15:57]
copumpkin also, I'm implicitly putting real value behind it [15:58]
rg no [15:58]
copumpkin by stockpiling a crapload of coins and not dumping them on th emarket [15:58]
rg you get your profit and cash it out [15:58]
rg to usd [15:58]
copumpkin no [15:58]
rg the other week you said thats what you do [15:58]
copumpkin ah, I see [15:58]
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rg and where can i get those socks [15:58]
copumpkin well, if you guys dislike the "hoarders" so much, perhaps we should all just dump all our coins on the market and leave [15:58]
rg i need socks big time [15:59]
copumpkin http://www.grasshillalpacas.com/alpacaproductsforbitcoinoffer.html [15:59]
Hunterbunter wait, who dislikes hoarders? [15:59]
rg i dont care about hoarders [15:59]
rg i just want bitcoinica to fuckoff [15:59]
Hunterbunter I want the same as rg, but not because it's bad, it's because I can't stop myself using it, and it's bad [15:59]
copumpkin lol [15:59]
Graet lol [15:59]
rg and uh [15:59]
rg its my birthday [15:59]
rg thanks for all the birthday wishes [16:00]
Graet happy b/day rg [16:00]
rg and do NOT say happy birthday now [16:00]
rg cause ill know it means nothing [16:00]
Graet too late [16:00]
Hunterbunter Happy Unbirthday RG!! [16:00]
Graet i only juts found out [16:00]
Joric are those alpaca socks eternal? how did they survive all those rallys [16:00]
copumpkin rg: I wished you happy birthday encoded in the sequence of massive trades that got us down there, but you didn't notice my subtle message, and now I don't get the impression you even appreciated the medium I used for it :( [16:00]
csshih rg: I did that too! [16:01]
rg tl [16:01]
csshih =0 [16:01]
rg dr [16:01]
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BTCHero I have a 400 bitcoin bounty on shutting down bitcoinica. If you manage to take it offline forever 400btc [16:01]
copumpkin too lazy; don't read ? [16:01]
rg btchero: thatd be illegal [16:01]
rg and youd be liable [16:01]
BTCHero so [16:01]
rg thats called 'enciting' [16:01]
BTCHero sue me in the philipines or whatever [16:02]
copumpkin it's also just stupid [16:02]
rg inciting? [16:02]
rg enciting? [16:02]
rg i need something to watch [16:02]
copumpkin it's easy to blame all the shit that happens on bitcoinica [16:02]
rg i just watched the full community season 1 [16:02]
BTCHero yeah [16:02]
BTCHero it is [16:02]
copumpkin or rather, I should say it's too easy [16:02]
Hunterbunter copumpkin I lost far too much money today and I don't know where to go next. I'm tired. Please tell me what position to take because it'll likely be 10x better than whatever I decide [16:02]
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rg Pokemon Diamond[2009]-LW [16:02]
copumpkin Hunterbunter: I decided to take no position on bitcoinica for this :P [16:02]
rg man i have a lot of weird things downloaded [16:03]
copumpkin cause I have no idea where we'll end up [16:03]
Hunterbunter Very wise [16:03]
Hunterbunter but what of your capital? [16:03]
BTCHero but outside of bitcoinica I'm sure he is long as hell [16:03]
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Hunterbunter ah I see [16:03]
celeste Hi i have a $35 email gift card for sale for CVS pharmacy i have allready sold a $50 egiftcard to BTCtrader and a $150 egift card to DBbollero with no problem thank you. [16:03]
copumpkin Hunterbunter: left in pirateat40's ass [16:03]
rg celeste: its DBordello [16:04]
rg :> [16:04]
celeste thanks [16:04]
copumpkin celeste: you need to get an identity on gribble. Your word that you sold to them means very little [16:04]
Hunterbunter copumpkin yes I should ahve done the same! my greed consumed me [16:04]
copumpkin it [16:05]
detrate ;;help [16:05]
Cory rg: I said happy birthday before you said anything!! [16:05]
rg yep [16:05]
rg thats true [16:05]
copumpkin it'll take a while for pirateat40's magic growth to counteract the market crash, but meh [16:05]
copumpkin I'm not in a rush [16:05]
celeste +copumpkin ive sold $350 worth with no trust [16:05]
copumpkin celeste: yeah, and the buyers are stupid [16:05]
celeste ? [16:05]
jcpham splat [16:06]
rg its gift cards [16:06]
copumpkin it doesn't mean I think it's a good idea to keep doing so [16:06]
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jcpham market crash [16:06]
celeste i will register very soon [16:06]
helo i assumed it was the paxum news [16:06]
jcpham what the shit are you guys doing to my bitcoins [16:06]
helo rather than bitcoinica [16:06]
copumpkin and the tradehill news [16:06]
detrate Anyone want to sell me $50 of coin for PayPal? [16:06]
copumpkin lots of bad shit [16:06]
copumpkin btc-e got hacked [16:06]
helo well, paxum news == th news, isn't it? [16:07]
copumpkin retards need to stop getting lots of power in bitcoin land :P [16:07]
MagicalTux well [16:07]
MagicalTux we got two announces for next week [16:07]
helo RALLY [16:07]
MagicalTux another method for adding/removing funds [16:07]
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MagicalTux and merchant online tools (api) [16:07]
paraipan great at least we are being entertained lately [16:08]
paraipan :) [16:08]
rg MagicalTux: what're you doing to de-evil mtgox? [16:08]
MagicalTux rg: "evil" ? [16:08]
rg and when can we expect your new look [16:08]
paraipan you're being demonized in the community [16:08]
rg to become your old look [16:08]
helo MagicalTux: up is to down as good is to _____ [16:08]
copumpkin MagicalTux: excellent! does that mean I'll be able to buy a humble bundle someday then? :) [16:08]
MagicalTux copumpkin: that's part of the plan [16:09]
vigilyn MagicalTux: what new method of adding/removing funds? [16:09]
Cory mircea_popescu: How's my order at the emporium? [16:09]
MagicalTux we're 3 months later than initially expected [16:09]
rg paypal obviously [16:09]
paraipan lol [16:09]
helo moneypak... he's going to try to kill -otc :( [16:09]
MagicalTux haha, if only [16:09]
rg thatd be awesome [16:09]
mircea_popescu cory which one'd be that ? [16:09]
OneFixt cash by carrier pigeon [16:09]
MagicalTux the guys behind moneypak are never replying to any contact email [16:09]
paraipan WU or MoneyGram ? [16:10]
rg hopefully not WU [16:10]
MagicalTux not anything that grand [16:10]
rg WU is so expensive [16:10]
jcpham i went to .ws a few years back [16:10]
jcpham WU is everywhere [16:10]
Cory mircea_popescu: "buy 88 PUT @4.5 contracts expiring this month at $0.22138934" [16:10]
Cory I never got any change. [16:10]
silvercoin ugggg I need 5 bitcoins via PP [16:10]
Cory And it doesn't look like the 4.5 contracts add up. [16:10]
MagicalTux anyway we are doing things [16:11]
mircea_popescu lemme look into it. [16:11]
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silvercoin trying to sell all mine and am 5 short on what I want to buy [16:11]
MagicalTux and things are getting closer to completion, finally [16:11]
Cory All right. It may be a misunderstanding on my end, mircea_popescu. [16:11]
Cory Thanks [16:11]
paraipan i know i know [16:11]
paraipan you will add okpay funding [16:11]
paraipan :) [16:11]
BTCHero So does anyone else start to cry when they see the price then realize they can give them all to pirate and it will take less than a month to make it up :) [16:12]
copumpkin BTCHero: nope, because it's what I'm already doing [16:12]
copumpkin :D [16:12]
Hunterbunter yes and then cry again when we realize it'll be down even lower in a month [16:12]
Hunterbunter :) [16:12]
mircea_popescu cory : ok so, no confirms went out this morning to two ppl, you being one of them. reason is the demon didn't process w/o fee which still sometimes kills the sender. [16:12]
silvercoin Piarate? [16:12]
mircea_popescu ill send them manually in a sec. [16:13]
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mircea_popescu also, you order 88 but got filled for 72 on account of price move in the interim. [16:13]
Cory mircea_popescu: The interim between sending the transaction and the block it was included in? [16:14]
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mircea_popescu the interim between when the page you were ordering from was generated and the moment the transaction is recorded as on blockexplorer [16:14]
mircea_popescu i think you might have been ordering off a stale page ? [16:14]
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Cory That's probably what happened. [16:15]
mircea_popescu did it ? [16:15]
mircea_popescu im still looking for any bugs or whatnot in this [16:16]
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mircea_popescu so don't feel shy to speak up [16:16]
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copumpkin AJAJ [16:16]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, as general policy, always hit a reload on the page before putting in an order. [16:17]
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jcpham hit reload exactly 6 times! [16:17]
mircea_popescu that should limit your latency to at most 10 minutes or so. [16:17]
smickles mircea_popescu: i was wondering what length of weighted average you use, i can guess, but i'd like the 'official work' :) [16:18]
mircea_popescu lol jcpham [16:18]
smickles s/work/word [16:18]
mircea_popescu 24 hours smickles, it's actually the one reported by bitcoincharts. [16:18]
Cory mircea_popescu: I probably should have been more careful to make sure things were up to date. The discrepancy's not too bad so I don't have any complaints. :) [16:18]
smickles mircea_popescu: thanks ;) [16:18]
jcpham clickity all the refresh [16:18]
mircea_popescu cory : ok. if you manage to find a hole i'll certainly be thankful. [16:18]
Cory Yay change. [16:20]
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celeste Hi i have a $35 email gift card for sale for CVS pharmacy i have allready sold a $50 egiftcard to BTCtrader and a $300 egift card to DBordello with no problem thank you. [16:28]
spawn- celeste check PM [16:29]
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detrate ;;eauth detrate [16:30]
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helo so as the price is stable over a period of time, it starts to feel like demand is absorbing the newly mined bitcoin without causing inflation [16:30]
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Hunterbunter helo do you think the price has been stable lately? [16:31]
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M4v3R ;;ticker [16:32]
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Graet https://ferroh.com/chart?t=all pretty pictures :P [16:32]
celeste helo how coin have been mined? in the last 2 months do you know? [16:32]
M4v3R 24 hour low: 4.21211, 24 hour high: 5.55 [16:32]
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spawn- celeste check PM [16:32]
M4v3R Yeah, seems pretty stable to me [16:32]
helo celeste: probably ~432000 [16:33]
Hunterbunter I think I'd stop hating bitcoinica so much if they actually did live trades and actually offered their own leverage. Of course theyd go out of business in about an hour if they did that [16:34]
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celeste helo your statment is %100 right [16:34]
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helo it's a little low [16:35]
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BTCHero Anyone else think that maybe the silk road sale did some of this too? [16:36]
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helo silk road was sold to the cia? [16:36]
BTCHero It went up prior to their sale and now that the sellers are presumably getting their coins it is crashing [16:36]
Hunterbunter Do you think druglords were cashing out? [16:36]
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Hunterbunter I suppose its possibly a factor [16:36]
smickles ;;rate mircea_popescu 1 if nothing else, this one seems honest and fair [16:37]
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BTCHero Dunno, don't know too much about SR but it seems to be a driving force here [16:37]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 1 to 1. [16:37]
Hunterbunter If anything, it's the one thing bitcoins is genuinely used to trade for over fiat [16:37]
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Hunterbunter even if the purpose casts a bad light...it's still one of the only reasons you need bitcoins [16:37]
celeste Jan 24, 2012 - The relationship between Bitcoin and Ripple might be similar. ... A limited quantity of Bitcoins will ever exist – 21 million, of which 8.1 million have already been [16:38]
celeste mined [16:38]
smickles Hunterbunter: it only casts a bad light b/c the us gov't does as it does [16:38]
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mircea_popescu lmao if nothing else [16:38]
smickles ;) [16:38]
mircea_popescu i'm sorry i don't have big titties :D [16:38]
smickles lol [16:39]
mircea_popescu however MY COMPANY DOES! http://polimedia.us/trilema/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/poliboobs.jpg [16:39]
helo if a company sells some product for bitcoin, they inevitably have to sell that bitcoin for cash, so that represents a net decrease in bitcoin demand (unless that product isn't offered for fiat) [16:39]
smickles O_O [16:39]
Hunterbunter smickles yeah true, although I don't know many other governments that would be cool with it [16:39]
BTCHero is that your girlfriend? [16:39]
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mircea_popescu i don't understand the logic helo ? [16:40]
mircea_popescu no BTCHero. [16:40]
Hunterbunter yeah helo the only way bitcoins will have any value is if they're used for everyday items [16:40]
BTCHero your mother? [16:40]
Joric are you selling sticky tape [16:40]
mircea_popescu lmao no its not my mother. [16:40]
lordcyfer It is my ex [16:40]
smickles helo: what if that company buy the product/materials to make the product with bitcoin? [16:40]
helo there needs to be "closed loops" of bitcoin circulation, and then the bitcoin economy will grow by the amount of bitcoin circulating in the loop [16:40]
mircea_popescu and no, im not selling sticky tape lolz. as you can see, marketing works! [16:40]
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celeste helo another good statement [16:40]
Blitzboom where can i reach zhoutong the quickest? [16:41]
Hunterbunter I think he means company sells a sock for 3 bitcoins...trades bitcoins for cash from someone else who's buying bitcoins for whatever reason (to buy socks?) ... [16:41]
Cory helo: The bitcoins that buy the product have to be bought with cash. [16:41]
Hunterbunter and company goes about it's business as if it never touched a btc [16:41]
Joric marketing worked only for a sticky tape so far [16:41]
mircea_popescu i was being ironic. [16:41]
Hunterbunter but what stops it from being a straight swap, cory? [16:41]
celeste bitcoins are the future of money [16:42]
celeste no more banks [16:42]
mircea_popescu the money of future is bitcoins [16:42]
mircea_popescu the future of money is bitcoins [16:42]
mircea_popescu let's do permutations [16:42]
smickles the following command should work: [16:42]
smickles .o diff ironic sardonic [16:42]
markac smickles: Service not found in https://github.com/nslater/oblique/wiki [16:42]
Joric bitcoin is the currency of the future and always will be! (c) (tm) [16:42]
Hunterbunter the bitcoins of money is future [16:42]
helo Cory: the products generally can be bought via fiat or bitcoin. if someone buys it with bitcoin, they're effectively choosing to keep fiat over bitcoin [16:42]
mircea_popescu the money of bitcoins is cheese [16:43]
lordcyfer Advertisement : If people need account on VPN services i am very cheap b-anonym.net - 0.5 BTC for 2 weeks and 3 BTC for 4 months contact me in pm [16:43]
celeste helo right [16:43]
celeste no brainer [16:43]
M4v3R Oh boy [16:43]
smickles Joric: so never the currency of today? [16:43]
M4v3R An update from S5032 [16:43]
M4v3R And a bearish one [16:43]
mircea_popescu omg who is s5032 [16:43]
helo smickles: companies being able to use bitcoin to cover expenses is part of closing the loop [16:43]
Hunterbunter odea [16:43]
M4v3R Let the action begin [16:43]
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M4v3R Panic sell imminent [16:43]
* smickles watches [16:44]
M4v3R A guy with legion of followers [16:44]
M4v3R mircea_popescu [16:44]
mircea_popescu a yea ? [16:44]
smickles mircea_popescu: people pay him for his musing on bitcon price movement [16:44]
Cory M4v3R: Impossible to be right four times in a row! [16:44]
Hunterbunter not impossible [16:45]
Hunterbunter improbable :) [16:45]
helo i thought it was agreed that we're headed for $3? [16:45]
Joric M4v3R, read [16:45]
M4v3R Cory: just watch :) [16:45]
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Geno_ So when is going to be the time to buy (if ever) [16:46]
M4v3R Geno_: that's an excellent question [16:47]
BTCHero now... BUY BUY BUY [16:47]
M4v3R And the answer is: nobody knows [16:47]
Geno_ Well according to speculation I mean [16:47]
Hunterbunter Geno_ someone supported $2 like crazy last time...dunno if they'd do it again [16:48]
Hunterbunter Geno_ tehre are lots of peeps that still want bitcfoins to succeed though, and consider that a bargain price [16:49]
helo i bet they would. [16:49]
Joric personally i buy to get a round number the price is almost random [16:49]
helo i would support $2, and i'm pretty much broke heh [16:49]
M4v3R Geno_: My best guess is: between 3.5 - 4 [16:49]
M4v3R If it falls as low as that [16:49]
rg dont listen to speculation [16:49]
M4v3R If it'll struggle to pass $4, I'd buy it then [16:49]
Geno_ interesting, should be fun to watch over the next couple days then! [16:49]
rg if speculators knew what was going on [16:50]
rg theyd be rich [16:50]
M4v3R Geno_: I'd say hours :) [16:50]
M4v3R rg: who says they aren't? ;) [16:50]
Geno_ I gotta go to work soon :( lol [16:50]
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M4v3R 4.39, so it begins [16:52]
rg mhmm [16:54]
rg it coulda recovered [16:54]
rg but didnt [16:54]
Cory 4.49 [16:54]
rg theres not much depth [16:54]
rg just wait til people wke up and PANIC [16:55]
Hunterbunter tehre are a ton of people with cash now, though [16:55]
Hunterbunter ie all the people who sold down from 4.8 [16:55]
Hunterbunter although i suppose they're waiting for the "right time to buY" which could be any time [16:55]
M4v3R Ok, let's remove some walls [16:56]
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Hunterbunter I swear you're the master manipulator m4...like whenever you say something like that scary things ahppen [16:56]
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M4v3R Lol [16:56]
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jcpham anyone selling $3 coins yet? [16:57]
M4v3R Master manipulator [16:57]
silvercoin Bitcoin<$4.00 in 24-48 hours [16:57]
silvercoin I sold on mine last night [16:57]
M4v3R That would be a good custom title on the forums [16:57]
silvercoin lol [16:57]
Hunterbunter lol aye [16:57]
Joric M4v3R, did s3025 say something concrete? [16:57]
Geno_ Anyone selling coins via PPUSD atm? =P [16:58]
Blitzboom Joric: dude [16:58]
Blitzboom S3052 has no clue [16:58]
Blitzboom analysts are worthless [16:58]
Blitzboom do your own diligence [16:58]
Cory Kind of self-fulfilling. [16:59]
Blitzboom if his analysis was worth anything, he would be trading on it, not selling his analysis [16:59]
M4v3R Joric: That we well most probably go down on short term ;) [16:59]
Blitzboom and yes, S3052 can be self-fulfilling prophecy [16:59]
M4v3R Will* [16:59]
Blitzboom M4v3R: imo we have likely bottomed [16:59]
Blitzboom let’s see [16:59]
Joric i sold at 5.01 a few hours ago [16:59]
M4v3R We already had an argument like that before, [17:00]
M4v3R Blitzboom [17:00]
M4v3R And look how it turned out :P [17:00]
Blitzboom M4v3R: so you are always right? [17:00]
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Blitzboom didn’t know about that, that’s cool [17:00]
M4v3R Unfortunately not [17:00]
Joric google just bought the entire motorola for $12.5 billion [17:00]
Joric what if it'll buy the entire bitcoin economy [17:01]
Hunterbunter isn't that like a year's revenue? [17:01]
M4v3R Still, that's just my own diligence [17:01]
Hunterbunter google would probably just invent a better system [17:01]
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shades ahh [17:01]
M4v3R And it looks right so far [17:01]
shades down again? [17:01]
shades M4v3R: what did I miss? [17:02]
Joric how much for the economy [17:02]
smickles ;;bids 2 [17:02]
gribble There are currently 125793.7 bitcoins demanded at or over 2.0 USD, worth 406581.541016 USD in total. [17:02]
helo bitcoin is very popular "idealogically" at google [17:02]
M4v3R shades: nothing, we're just back to where the price was few hours ago [17:02]
Joric meh it costs less than 400k [17:02]
shades M4v3R: what did I miss while i ate ? [17:03]
smickles Joric: sry, that wasnt your answer ;) [17:03]
smickles Joric: i can get your answer tho, gimme a sec [17:03]
Joric smickles, it's complicated, you can't buy all currency in circulation [17:03]
helo it would be pretty awesome if they would thumb their nose at "the establishment" by adding bitcoin as a payment method in google wallet [17:04]
Joric you may buy out the entire mtgox though [17:04]
helo they'd be called out big time for doing that as being "irresponsible" [17:04]
Hunterbunter they wouldn't do taht helo...they have shareholders who wouldn't stand for it [17:04]
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shades Joric: uh, doesn't one guy own the new york stock exchange? [17:04]
MacRohard maybe they could allow some sort of 3rd party to connect bitcoin to google wallet [17:05]
Hunterbunter they might use it I suppose and just pay tax on it [17:05]
Geno_ WTB BTC PPUSD :) [17:05]
helo Hunterbunter: they probably have shareholders who would love it too... how do you know which side is larger? [17:05]
shades MacRohard: oh yeah so people could steal it easier, because gwallet has been pwned often enough now [17:05]
Hunterbunter helo yeah I don't...although I'm guessing it'll be similar to the general population of nerds vs bitcoin adopting nerds [17:05]
MacRohard shades, *shrug* [17:05]
MacRohard people steal. get over it. [17:06]
smickles ;;bids 0.01 [17:06]
gribble There are currently 1570943 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.01 USD, worth 637290.77175 USD in total. [17:06]
shades MacRohard: lets hear you say that when people steal from *you* [17:06]
Hunterbunter I've had the bull beaten out of me properly now [17:06]
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shades Hunterbunter: what do you mean by that? [17:07]
helo if google was an early-comer into supporting bitcoin and growing services around it, they (and android) would benefit from it [17:07]
smickles ^ [17:07]
imsaguy2 they already support bitcoin [17:07]
* spawn- selling BTC for PPUSD anyone? [17:07]
helo the price would go up so much on an announcement though... it would be pretty fucked up really [17:07]
helo 10x to 100x maybe? [17:07]
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shades helo: nd then they would get smacked with tax evasion [17:07]
jcpham BUY ALL BITCOINS [17:08]
Hunterbunter shades that I've become a werebear...don't think the price is going to rebound so quickly now [17:08]
smickles shades: not if they accounted for it [17:08]
helo only if they didn't pay taxes... there's a right way to do it [17:08]
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shades smickles: how do you the accounting on something that fluxuates like a stock instead of being stable like a currency? [17:08]
Hunterbunter account once a quarter on standing stock and market price? [17:08]
helo mtgox's api for businesses is a good step though... hopefully it meaningfully lowers the bar for a business to accept bitcoin [17:09]
smickles shades: how do you account for owning any other financial instrument? [17:09]
helo MagicalTux: does it? ^ [17:09]
SerajewelKS shades: the USD changes in value daily too [17:09]
silvercoin shades---> only buy what you need to spend, everything else is like stock. [17:09]
MagicalTux helo: it should [17:09]
shades smickles: you don't pay taxes on your stock until you pull it out for cash [17:09]
shades SerajewelKS: not by 25% [17:09]
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imsaguy2 I'd like to buy some mtgox if anyone's got any [17:09]
silvercoin THe dollar changes but at a much slower pace. [17:09]
smickles shades: how do you pay tax on buying and selling usd? [17:10]
Hunterbunter I don't think it's fair to compare bitcoins to stocks...they're very diferent [17:10]
helo MagicalTux: will it allow integration with any commonly used financial/accounting software? [17:10]
shades smickles: I don't know I never bought currency [17:10]
SerajewelKS shades: sure... new markets are a bit more volatile [17:10]
SerajewelKS the market will swing less with age [17:10]
smickles shades: you pay tax on gains [17:10]
MagicalTux helo: wouldn't be difficult to implement, considering there are standard file formats for that [17:10]
Hunterbunter all said and done today I have $100. Tomorrow all said and done I have $110. I pay tax on $10..? [17:11]
smickles shades: that's why it's called an income tax [17:11]
MagicalTux our main concern right now is to integrate with existing webshop software [17:11]
shades smickles: and not capital gains tax? [17:11]
Hunterbunter today I have 100 bitcoins. tomorrow I have 120 bitcoins. I pay tax on 20 bitcoins in USD form [17:12]
smickles shades: op, you got me ;) [17:12]
Hunterbunter shades: capital gains only if it's over a y ear [17:12]
Hunterbunter shades: in australia anyway [17:12]
smickles long term capital gain is over a year Hunterbunter [17:12]
smickles short term is under a year [17:12]
Hunterbunter there's short term capital gain? [17:12]
Hunterbunter egad [17:12]
helo i think i'm going to go visit the pawn shops in my town and talk to them about bitcoin [17:12]
Geno_ WTB BTC PPUSD [17:12]
smickles and it's taxed higher Hunterbunter [17:13]
shades isn't short term capital gains tax just 10%? 10% < 35% [17:13]
Hunterbunter in the US or australia? [17:13]
helo they already buy gold, etc., why not bitcoin? [17:13]
smickles helo: they may already, who knows [17:13]
smickles helo: there's ways they could "hide" the reporting of it for a couple of years [17:14]
* spawn- selling BTC for PPUSD anyone? [17:14]
* mircea_popescu waits patiently for ppl to figure that incorporating is actually worth it for bitcoins [17:15]
smickles shades: short term capitol gains are taxed as regular income. so it is the income tax [17:15]
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smickles and regular income is taxed at a higher rate than long term capital gains [17:16]
shades smickles: I don't think that's true [17:16]
smickles shades: it is, [17:16]
celeste can any body tell me if https://get-bitcoin.com is eney good?? [17:17]
* smickles is studying accounting [17:17]
shades are you sure? [17:17]
smickles well, if i'm wrong, the IRS documents are wrong too [17:17]
nanotube celeste: they seem legit. haven't seen any complaints. [17:18]
celeste @nanotube thank you [17:18]
helo mircea_popescu: you mean creating a company? [17:18]
shades yeah well eitherway, a bank can report you to the irs, and if you are your own bank, it's a moral hazard to claim you made X because you could have made Y [17:18]
mircea_popescu yes helo [17:18]
smickles shades: I can lookup the pub. no. if you want me too [17:18]
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smickles shades: all you need to do is keep accurate records [17:19]
smickles or, at the very least, keep a record of the bitcoin address you use [17:19]
helo if your records exist and don't disagree with anything else they can see in an audit, you are safe [17:20]
helo (if you follow your cpa's advice) [17:20]
shades smickles: and when no records exist that say any given bitcoin addresses belong to you... how can they catch you not paying taxes on your bitcoin? [17:20]
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smickles shades: no records exist = tax evasion [17:20]
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Blitzboom M4v3R: want to make a bet? [17:22]
Blitzboom just a small 1 BTC one :D [17:22]
Blitzboom i bet you the low will hold for 24h [17:22]
Blitzboom 4.21211 [17:22]
smickles Blitzboom: that's not a bet, that's an option ;) [17:22]
shades smickles: so by default bitcoin is tax evasion. There as no record created of your address .... [17:22]
shades there is nothing holding you back form reportin ga wallet that barely made anything as compared to a wallet that made millions [17:23]
smickles shades: well, if you want to risk them finding the wallet that made millions, go ahead [17:23]
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Blitzboom let’s bet ^_^ [17:23]
helo shades: yes, "by default" meaning "if you dont do anything to avoid it", bitcoin is tax evasion. as is cash. [17:24]
mircea_popescu shades : nothing is tax evasion "by default" [17:24]
smickles shades: just because someone can use it to break the law doesn't mean everyone will... see cash [17:24]
mircea_popescu and nothing "holds" you. [17:24]
mircea_popescu if you report you report, if you don't you evade. [17:24]
mircea_popescu also what smickles said. [17:24]
vlaube gribble ;;gpg eauth BobJones [17:24]
vlaube oops [17:24]
smickles shades: also, b/c you have to take action to file taxes, by default, human existence is tax evasion [17:24]
helo if you have income that you don't report, it is tax evasion... so all income is by default tax evasion in that sense [17:24]
smickles let me say that one again [17:25]
smickles shades: also, b/c you have to take action to file taxes, by default, human existence is tax evasion [17:25]
shades except if you're working 'for cash' you are probably living paycheck to paycheck, not earning >$100,000 [17:25]
mircea_popescu probably ?! [17:25]
mircea_popescu omgwtfbbq [17:25]
shades bitcoin facilitates everyone has their own personal swissbank account that can keep money hidden and nobody will be able to find out . No Supoena can prroduce thinformation they're lookingfor, nor would they know who to serve it to. [17:26]
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shades this is why google is hesitent to jump on the adoption [17:26]
mircea_popescu i am by now pretty much convinced incompetent and lazy us voters will put into office probabilistic politicians, and then prolly live to rue the day they didn't learn to think straight. [17:26]
M4v3R Blitzboom: Ok [17:26]
copumpkin shades: there are plenty of people who use cash for everything and are not poor [17:26]
Blitzboom ok, we should see then in 22 hrs [17:26]
smickles shades: paychecks arn't cash, a check means there is a record on the employer's tax filings, so the irs knows how much you should have paid, and if you don't claim at least that, they get you [17:27]
Blitzboom and i’m telling you man [17:27]
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Blitzboom cover your damn short :P [17:27]
shades copumpkin: do those people have a bank account that has a direct deposit? [17:27]
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mircea_popescu << uses cash for most anything, isn't exactly poor. [17:27]
Joric check out the poll on http://www.bitcoinbullbear.com [17:27]
copumpkin shades: nope [17:27]
M4v3R 1 BTC that until 13:25 UTC we'll see something lower that 4.2 [17:27]
shades pulling cash out of your bank accoutn leaves a record, with the bank. [17:27]
M4v3R Tomorrow that is [17:27]
Joric 'What do you expect BTC/USD prices to do in the next 4 weeks?' [17:27]
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Blitzboom if you want to do so at 5.5, sure [17:27]
Joric only 6% of users answered 'i don't know' [17:27]
helo shades: it's all the same as cash [17:27]
shades smickles except there is no record for anyone when you collect/withdraw out of yoru wallet [17:27]
Joric isn't it hilarious [17:27]
Blitzboom S3052 has no clue [17:27]
smickles shades: you're just trollin' now arn't you? [17:28]
shades helo: no it's not it's better because it's not tangible. If you have a suitcase full of bills youc an cout how much is being evaded. If you have nothing then youultimately don't know what's missing [17:28]
Blitzboom this will hold at least for 1-2 days and bounce nicely [17:28]
smickles shades: there is no record for anyone when you collect/withdraw from a safe or a safe deposit box [17:28]
Blitzboom just watch [17:28]
shades smickles: yes and no, there's a reson google didn't adopt this and won't for a while if at all until this issue is resolved; but it's an issue that can never be resolved [17:28]
shades smickles: and it's inconvenient to have to go down to the bank to use a safedeposit box [17:29]
helo shades: you can hide $100K cash in a pretty small space [17:29]
mircea_popescu its not a matter of google adopting this [17:29]
mircea_popescu its a matter of this adopting google. [17:29]
shades especially if you're on vacation several timezones away [17:29]
silvercoin exactly mircea [17:29]
smickles shades: I think the issue is simple and resolved, it's just risky. Large companies tend not to take risk [17:29]
helo google doesn't want to adopt bitcoin because it's too early, and they are too big for bitcoin... it would be disruptive [17:30]
smickles shades: you don't have to keep all you cash in a safe deposit box at the bank [17:30]
Blitzboom shorts are in deep, deep shit if they haven’t liquidated yet [17:30]
silvercoin google doesn't want to take on bitcoin because the goverment does not like bitcoin. [17:30]
shades smickles: point is tax evasion with just cash proves a lil more difficult than btc, which almost facilitates ease of tax evasion [17:31]
* smickles tends to baby [17:31]
mircea_popescu you think blitzboom ? [17:31]
Blitzboom yep [17:31]
mircea_popescu me too, but we see. [17:31]
Blitzboom people have absolutely overdone it [17:31]
helo nah, if google's lawyers don't see any reason for it to be illegal, google would love to hop in if the only problem was government "unpopularity" [17:31]
Blitzboom there will be a retracement [17:31]
mircea_popescu im bought out, so i wouldn't mind it moving back to 6. [17:31]
shades Blitzboom: what do you mean shorts are in deep shit? [17:31]
vlaube hi, is here anyone selling steam games? [17:31]
Blitzboom shades: they might be liquidated on the way up [17:31]
helo is it illegal to have a swiss bank account? [17:32]
shades Blitzboom: what do you mean by shorts? short sellers? [17:32]
Blitzboom yeah [17:32]
mircea_popescu i think it is by now for americans, helo [17:32]
shades helo: if you use it for the purpose of tax evasion... [17:32]
helo shades: and the same is true with bitcoin [17:32]
silvercoin it's not because it 'unpopular' with the goverment, it's because it isn't backed by money or gold, what the goverment sees as tradable currency [17:32]
shades youc an have one and still report taxes, but then what's the point of keeping your money in a swiss bank? [17:32]
smickles shades: no, tax evasion is mostly caught by others reporting money they gave to you or money you gave to them. so btc would not make it easier to evade taxes. [17:32]
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silvercoin the government cannot profit on something it does not control, nor can it contain it [17:33]
helo the government knows pretty well that being backed with metal isn't relevant [17:33]
silvercoin this is unappealing to the US gov [17:33]
mircea_popescu volume is pretty huge, esp that 50k btc tick [17:33]
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mircea_popescu im thinking the sellout is well finished [17:33]
shades smickles: except you aren't using an ssn with your wallet address. there iis no name on it. They can be created at random with no records of who they belong to [17:34]
helo the government doesn't like it because it threatens their power... i wouldn't be surprised to see some legislation extending the "Nobody can make a coin-based currency" to apply to digital stores of value as well, honestly [17:34]
helo but then we get to throw another SOPA/PIPA protest :) [17:34]
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stamit anyone doing USD transfers from paypal to mtgox? [17:34]
stamit i.e. selling MTGUSD? [17:34]
rg i gotta find out hwo much this server pulls [17:34]
rg in amps [17:34]
BTCHero do you know watts and volts? [17:35]
rg 800w psu [17:35]
rg volts are standard american DC [17:35]
BTCHero well, that doesn't mean it is pulling 800 watts so that formula won't really help [17:35]
rg 120v [17:35]
rg well [17:35]
rg i need to find the *max* [17:36]
rg so i know how much to order [17:36]
rg the DC owner says its 5amps, but i dont believe him [17:36]
BTCHero 6.66 I think [17:36]
BTCHero MAX [17:36]
rg lame [17:36]
rg i better buy a different server then [17:36]
rg 6.66 is over $100 in power [17:36]
rg alone [17:36]
BTCHero well power is measured in watts but yeah [17:37]
BTCHero Servers don't run on 220? That is weird [17:37]
rg the DC sells it by amps [17:37]
rg so thats what i need to know [17:37]
BTCHero His figure is for 600 watts I think. Maybe that is all he thinks it will pull? [17:38]
smickles shades: bitcoin will only make tax evasion easier if employers don't report taxes on employees paid in bitcoins and people in general stop doing buiseness wit businesses which pay taxes [17:39]
smickles "legitimate" businesses have an interest in obeying tax law, if they obey tax law, then tax evasion is no easier with bitcoin than cash [17:40]
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BTCHero Well, shit I am quiting IRC and all the bitcoin charts today. Don't want to look :) [17:42]
UukGoblin can I withdraw paypal balance to my bank account immediately after I get paid? [17:43]
UukGoblin or do I have to wait 60 days or sth? [17:43]
BTCHero yes, but it takes 3-4 days [17:43]
UukGoblin mhm [17:43]
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UukGoblin and if they later want a chargeback, can they take the money away from my bank account? [17:43]
BTCHero possibly, but they tell you to fund it yourself first [17:43]
gmaxwell It would nice to be know if it really was a bittonica run that caused this apparently inefficient market behavior. [17:43]
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UukGoblin BTCHero, hrrm [17:44]
BTCHero my paypal was - for a few days due to chargeback. I just put the money in myself [17:44]
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helo gmaxwell: inefficient because a bunch of people are now selling bitcoin much lower than they would have in previous weeks? [17:44]
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gmaxwell helo: right. Assuming nothing 'real' changed, either the price before was 'wrong' or the price now is 'wrong'. [17:45]
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BTCHero The price was wrong, The price is wrong :) [17:45]
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copumpkin the price will always be wrong [17:45]
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copumpkin I just hope it'll be wrong in my favor [17:45]
UukGoblin the price is correct, it's just that demand has dropped [17:45]
rg phantomcircuit [17:46]
gmaxwell UukGoblin: it dropped in 10 seconds? [17:46]
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rg phantoncircuit: [17:46]
rg phantoncircuit: [17:46]
UukGoblin gmaxwell, yeah [17:46]
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gmaxwell UukGoblin: yea, that doesn't make sense. [17:46]
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UukGoblin someone sold big time, cause he didn't want his coins anymore, therefore reducing demand [17:46]
UukGoblin ... or something(tm) [17:47]
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helo unless demand happens to grow right along with increases from mining, the price will not be right as time passes [17:47]
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M4v3R Or just someone manipulated the hell out the charts [17:47]
gmaxwell UukGoblin: if so, then fine. [17:47]
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gmaxwell M4v3R: not just the charts. sudden drops like that are insanely profitable for some parties. [17:48]
shades smickles: since realistiaclly nobody pays in bitcoins.... it makes it easier... [17:48]
M4v3R Nah, sudden drops are panic sells [17:48]
M4v3R They have nothing to do with the 'big guys' [17:48]
shades lolololololol "if they obey tax law, then tax evasion is no easier . . . " Of course if they obey the law then evasion becomes impossible /as per definition/ [17:48]
gmaxwell shades: you're missing the point he was making— if you want to evade taxes you are better off using cash than bitcoin. [17:49]
M4v3R If you really want to manipulate the chart, you have to do it gradually [17:49]
M4v3R So it looks like the whole market's sentiment changed [17:49]
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M4v3R Then initiate some small sell off, and lemmings will jump [17:49]
helo shades: before bitcoin is used to pay for things, tax evasion using it is irrelevant... once that changes, tax evasion will be harder as well [17:49]
gmaxwell M4v3R: no you don't— you make a single large trade to sell down the orderbook when it becomes thin. You do this when the loss you take from it is less than the profit you gain from popping side bets. [17:50]
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M4v3R gmaxwell: and how much did you earn this way? [17:50]
lordcyfer Who is selling bitcoin in PPUSD ? [17:50]
lordcyfer or PPEUR [17:50]
gmaxwell Nothing, I don't run a bucket shop, but perhaps I should since so many people love them. [17:51]
* smickles loves getting quoted out of context within the confines of one sentence [17:51]
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mircea_popescu gmaxwell : where'd you make the side bets ? [17:51]
helo mircea_popescu: i think he's talking about bitcoinica [17:51]
gmaxwell mircea_popescu: bitcoinica. [17:51]
Hunterbunter The place wehre everybody knows your game [17:52]
shades gmaxwell: and my point was that BTC introduces 'cash' into an otherwise digital world riddled with writtenh transactions of who paid whom what [17:52]
mircea_popescu a. possibly they're vuln to something like that [17:52]
mircea_popescu esp if done really fast. [17:52]
UukGoblin hrm [17:52]
UukGoblin could we start a p2p real-currency deposit scheme [17:52]
gmaxwell shades: so you're opposed to cash generally and bitcoin is too cashlike for you? [17:52]
mircea_popescu haha sounds about right. [17:52]
UukGoblin people who live nearby could exchange paper money among themselves and make corresponding entries in an IOU system like ripple [17:53]
shades gmaxwell: no I am not opposed to cash. When did I say that? [17:53]
Hunterbunter bitcoin isn't really cash like imo...cash is a proxy trade in for value thing...whereas bitcoins are "mined" and scarce and a thing of supposed value [17:53]
shades gmaxwell: I love bitcoin, where did you get the idea i'm against it any way? [17:53]
gmaxwell UukGoblin: there is some kinda of hippy money system that basically works like that.. er.. whats it called [17:53]
smickles gmaxwell: shades did admit to trollin' this subject earlier, fyi [17:53]
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gmaxwell smickles: doh. [17:54]
jcpham they see me trollin' [17:54]
Hunterbunter M4v3r: you mean like now? [17:54]
jcpham they hatin' [17:54]
shades smickles: I said yes and no [17:54]
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UukGoblin local clusters would be connected by bank wires [17:54]
smickles "I said yes" lololol [17:54]
smickles see what i did there? [17:54]
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smickles :D to day is fun :D [17:55]
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shades I love bitcoins but they facilitate tax evasion [17:55]
gmaxwell UukGoblin: LETS is what I'm thinking of more generally but there is a specific instance of it that I was thinking of. [17:55]
smickles shades: that's just not true [17:56]
Hunterbunter Do anonymous accounts in switzerlland still exist? [17:56]
gmaxwell UukGoblin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Banking [17:56]
smickles (i mean the tax evasion part) [17:56]
UukGoblin http://www.letslinkuk.net/ ? [17:56]
shades Hunterbunter: not if you keep talking about them [17:56]
smickles I do not dispute shades love for bitcoin :D [17:56]
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rg ugh [17:57]
rg 6 amps [17:57]
shades smickles: [17:57]
rg at that price [17:57]
rg i wouldnt even save much [17:57]
Hunterbunter shades dirty gummint [17:57]
UukGoblin gmaxwell, hmm, that looks quite different [17:58]
UukGoblin gmaxwell, I was thinking about something that's a foundation for a decentralized bitcoin exchange [17:58]
shades you could play the btc stocks, start with 5 bitcoins and eventually wind up with 5000000 bitcoins on which you will not have to report taxes [17:58]
gmaxwell UukGoblin: ah. [17:58]
shades what casino can you go to that will let you just walk out with out reporting your winnings? if they're over 10,000$? [17:58]
UukGoblin you store/withdraw money physically or via bank transfer to trusted people [17:58]
UukGoblin which gets logged in an IOU system [17:58]
UukGoblin which you can then exchange for bitcoins, namecoins, litecoins or whatever else [17:58]
mod6 :D [17:59]
UukGoblin the whole thing would have to be based on trust [17:59]
smickles shades: tax evasion is as easy as not filing taxes and avoiding doing business with anyone who will file taxes which identify you as a source of income or expense. Bitcoin does not make that easier [17:59]
UukGoblin and with OpenTransactions, it'd be trivial to show when someone was scammed [17:59]
Hunterbunter shades but govts will just go after exchanges to get their cut [18:00]
Hunterbunter if it's worth going after [18:00]
shades smickles, it does... My btc address is not dtied to my name or ssn [18:00]
Hunterbunter cash it's difficult because they've already had to make it difficult [18:01]
smickles smickles: it would be if it were associated with you on someone's tax filing [18:01]
smickles er, shades [18:01]
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Hunterbunter lol [18:01]
Hunterbunter gox requires photo id if you want more than the crippled transfer [18:02]
Hunterbunter although I'm pretty sure that could easily be forged [18:02]
smickles shades: and that tax filing is likely to be the filing of the exchange you are trading on [18:02]
smickles well, the dont give it directly, but it's available to the irs [18:03]
shades smickles: excepti ts' not. and On my w-2s I don't see a line item for BTC address, I doubt people are adding that in at this point in time, and even ifsomeone did IDK what the IRS would do about it. [18:03]
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Hunterbunter Do you guys have to pay yearly tax on holdings of things like gold? [18:04]
Hunterbunter like literally 1 block of gold = 1% market value in tax or something? [18:05]
smickles shades: i'm done, this is a pointless conversation. the fact is that you can be caught for evading taxes via bitcoin. it's likely trivial for the IRS to prove it's you b/c tax courts are a whole lot different than civil and criminal courts, the IRS could likely just say that an address was yours and not have to prove it in any sense that you or I would consider proof. [18:05]
Hunterbunter over here in Oz long term stuff is sorted out via capital gains when it's sold...and if you're holding for short term profit (an income) you do the decralation thing [18:06]
mod6 TH ticker is gone from bitcoincharts - wow thats weird. [18:06]
smickles or, it may not even have to go to Tax court, the IRS often just makes up rules which are accepted as law without any oversight from the legislature [18:07]
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smickles taxes are a HUGE "fuck you, pay me", and there's not much to do about it unless you want to run from the irs for the rest of your life [18:08]
smickles ((at least in 'merica) [18:08]
mod6 yup. [18:09]
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smickles long and short of it is: 'come on people, don't we want bitcoin to be legal? then use it LEGALLY! [18:10]
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smickles if noOnePokesTheBear: closeRant() [18:11]
Blitzboom M4v3R: i told you bro [18:12]
M4v3R Blitzboom: Not so fast [18:12]
mod6 use will make BTC thrive. right now its in that grey zone, and obviously these governments are none too pleased that us nerds invented our own money. [18:12]
Blitzboom M4v3R: ok :P [18:13]
shades smickles: you can't even report taxes for bit coin in this *right* now... there is no line item on your tax form. You would have to first convert it to cash to pay it. If you just do a calculation in yoru head on that days exchange rate. You will wind up getting fucked by the time your return actually comes by either not reporting enough (evading taxes) or reporting too much and getting fucked [18:13]
shades because the market is so volitile [18:13]
mod6 I think BTC can keep on going -- gotta keep the exchanges secure though! [18:13]
M4v3R Right now it goes exactly according to what S5032 said [18:13]
smickles oh god, shades you can too report taxes for bitcoin [18:13]
M4v3R Sell offs start in 3.. 2.. [18:13]
M4v3R :) [18:13]
Cory M4v3R: I thought it was a bearish report. [18:14]
Cory Bull then bear? :P [18:14]
Cory So no matter what happens he's right? [18:14]
Joric https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=63889 bruce wagner strikes back [18:14]
spawn- sell out all your coins [18:14]
spawn- there will be no more coins soon [18:14]
spawn- :) [18:14]
M4v3R Cory: It was mostly bearish [18:14]
M4v3R But he said that it'll probably retrace to 4.8-4.9 before going down some more [18:15]
smickles shades: if you are really so unsure of what the price of a bitcoin is, then count them as collectible, and tax what you paid for them @ 28% !!!!! [18:15]
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rg heh [18:15]
rg i told the guy we rent rackspace from its my birthday [18:15]
rg hes trying to sell me a server now, 'birthday rate' [18:15]
shades smickles: that's playing the system!!!!! [18:16]
rg its quite a nice server.. [18:16]
rg 48gb ram, dual quad e5530, 4 x 1.5 tb, and an OCZ ssd card [18:16]
rg with 8x64gb ssd disks [18:16]
rg and the ocz card supports raid so you can have a huge ass ssd disk [18:17]
mod6 damn. [18:17]
errydayimgenerat wts mtgox btc cheap cheap for wells fargo bank wire or cash deposit :) [18:17]
rg mod6: isnt that disgusting? [18:17]
mod6 werd. [18:17]
mod6 8 cores / 16 threads, 48 Gb ram, bangin! [18:18]
rg i would run the VPS customers off teh SSD [18:18]
rg and use the 1.5tb SATA for backups [18:18]
vigilyn how much [18:18]
rg vigilyn: he said 'make me an offer' [18:18]
rg instead of buying it [18:18]
rg im gonna see if i can rent it [18:18]
mod6 birthday discount. [18:18]
rg exactly [18:18]
rg and the hardware is sitting idle [18:19]
rg he wants it out of his house [18:19]
smickles in reality, what you should do is just keep a record of the amount and price you bough and sold at, when tax time comes net the gains and losses, enter that number into the form as short term capital gain/loss. here's a hint: mtgox does most of that for you ;) [18:19]
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vigilyn ask him for a valentine's day discount [18:19]
rg smickles: a whole other conversation has happened since you typed that [18:19]
rg dude my ball hurts [18:19]
rg my left ball [18:19]
rg its sore [18:19]
spawn- damn [18:19]
spawn- lol [18:19]
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smickles rg: you only have to count the usd gains and losses [18:19]
spawn- mine is rigth ball [18:19]
errydayimgenerat selling btc @ $4 for wells fargo bank wire [18:19]
spawn- balls aching [18:20]
smickles as long as you hold btc you wouldn't be taxed on it [18:20]
rg errydayimgenerat: wells fargo used to pay for murders [18:20]
smickles you get taxed on the gains from sale [18:20]
errydayimgenerat that's awesome [18:20]
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rg they were around in the cowboy days [18:20]
ineededausername ;;seen pirateat40 [18:20]
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rg play the game or get played [18:20]
pirateat40 have not seen him [18:20]
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errydayimgenerat well i need some loots to get food :x [18:21]
spawn- damn left ball [18:22]
spawn- bro rg [18:22]
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spawn- 4.6 [18:22]
Joric spawn-, can't be it was 5.5 this morning [18:23]
spawn- its mtgox rate :) [18:23]
smickles oh and trading btc for a good or a service would be a gain/loss too. you just attribute the value of the good or service as the value of that amount of btc [18:23]
mod6 smickles: :D [18:24]
smickles "fair market value" ;) [18:24]
smickles [18:26]
rg i wonder [18:26]
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rg this SSD card isnt a real drive [18:26]
rg its just a PCI-E card [18:26]
rg do you think that increases the life or kills it [18:26]
rg actually [18:27]
rg i just looked at it [18:27]
rg theyre little ram sticks [18:27]
rg you can replace them [18:28]
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mod6 oh on card you can replace the mem? [18:32]
rg yes [18:32]
rg wanna see? [18:32]
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mod6 Sure! [18:34]
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rg www.firenzee.com/pcie.JPG [18:34]
mod6 oh sure. ok thats cool. [18:34]
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mod6 ive got this esxi box here, I gotta dump some more ram in that thing. its got dual xeon 5650s in it, but only 16G of ram :( [18:36]
rg so my offer was [18:36]
rg $300/mo [18:37]
rg lol [18:37]
mod6 that 48G is hurting my feeelings a bit :D [18:37]
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rg hehe [18:37]
rg we use atleast 24gb in all our nodes [18:37]
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mod6 it certainly helps if you're running a DB or a big jboss deployment. [18:37]
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mod6 or VMs of course. [18:38]
M4v3R aand the sell offs begin [18:39]
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noitev ;;gpg eauth noitev [18:40]
Blitzboom M4v3R: aaand another higher low [18:40]
Blitzboom enjoy [18:40]
mod6 ive got the box for vmware api dev. that nexus switch is pretty neat-o too. [18:40]
mod6 and i got this the UCS emulator up and going.... I wanna write some stuff for that also. UCS seems to be taking off. [18:40]
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noitev ;;bc,mtgox [18:41]
gribble {"ticker":{"high":5.5449,"low":4.21211,"avg":4.817944791,"vwap":4.759048303,"vol":274259,"last_all":4.482,"last_local":4.482,"last":4.482,"buy":4.482,"sell":4.56113}} [18:41]
noitev oo [18:41]
noitev brutal haha [18:41]
noitev anyone selling btc for moneypak? [18:41]
silvercoin yea, down 15 cents in an hour [18:41]
silvercoin lol and yet you buy [18:42]
mod6 i did lastnight too! [18:42]
noitev im kinda doing it for someone [18:42]
noitev but yeah... i guess ill buy 660 USD worth of btc at 4.6 each [18:43]
silvercoin where? [18:43]
noitev where? [18:44]
silvercoin oh via mp? [18:44]
noitev yes [18:44]
noitev sorry :P [18:44]
silvercoin all good if dwolla wasn't a slow bitch I'd help you out [18:44]
noitev its ok, if you ever get it, id be happy to do it o.15 or so over spot [18:45]
noitev thanks though [18:45]
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Blitzboom M4v3R: told you [18:47]
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Blitzboom higher low, retrace, higher high, higher low … [18:48]
Blitzboom we aren’t done yet at all. this will be a fun day [18:48]
mod6 little bounce back [18:48]
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mod6 go btc, go! [18:49]
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Blitzboom how many of you even still have bitcoins? [18:50]
mod6 i have a bunch. [18:51]
mod6 well, for me that is! heh. [18:51]
Graet i have some [18:51]
pissypissytaxpan Blitzboom: i still have about as many as I've ever had [18:52]
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mcorlett Can someone take a look at this? Am I doing it correctly? http://pastebin.com/EdQJBJhj [18:52]
mod6 escape the tick marks around the $nick var maybe? [18:53]
mod6 line 10. are you having trouble getting back a result set? SQL exception? [18:54]
mcorlett mod6, it works beautifully. [18:54]
mcorlett It doesn't seem to hold up so well in terms of security. [18:54]
mod6 oh. werd. [18:55]
pissypissytaxpan you mean that someone can fake the existence of a user? [18:55]
mcorlett No, but this doesn't prevent against injections, right? [18:55]
pissypissytaxpan i have no idea [18:55]
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* smickles doesn't use mysql [18:56]
mod6 oh i see, since you'll be pasing in $nick to the SQl query, yeah, that can be bad. [18:56]
mod6 you need to check whats coming in for that query. [18:57]
mcorlett Well, the beauty of PDO is that I should be able to use prepared statements and have it get rid of all the bad stuff. [18:57]
mod6 he's not using mysql anyway [18:57]
mod6 Sqlite [18:57]
smickles oh [18:57]
smickles so the idea is that someone could form a $nick that runs another sql query? [18:57]
shades PDO [18:58]
mod6 yeah [18:58]
mcorlett smickles, exactly. [18:58]
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shades smickles: like dropping your tables [18:59]
shades ie: no need to report taxes on all thsoe btc that just 'went away' ;) [18:59]
Mad7Scientist If someone gives you a supply of food, and then you eat it [19:00]
Mad7Scientist do you pay tax on it? [19:00]
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mcorlett Ha! [19:01]
smickles Mad7Scientist: depends on the amounts [19:01]
mcorlett http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=NEbz35uR [19:01]
mcorlett It works, and it prevents a basic injection anyway. [19:01]
mod6 yeah, good call. [19:01]
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Mad7Scientist did someone find a hole in gribble? [19:03]
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shades Mad7Scientist: it depends on how spicy it is and that'll determine how much tax your colon has to pay [19:04]
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helo gribble's hole was violated? [19:05]
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Mad7Scientist ;;ticker [19:08]
Mad7Scientist ;;bc,stats [19:08]
Mad7Scientist ;;bc,stats is broken? [19:09]
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mircea_popescu whoa nelly [19:11]
mircea_popescu pretty large call order, im guessing the drop is over now. [19:11]
Graet blockexplorer down? [19:11]
Graet (and blockchain.info) [19:11]
Graet would break gribble i think ;) [19:11]
rg ;;ticker [19:11]
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mod6 werid, works for me in /msg [19:12]
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smickles 500? so they think it's going above 5.25 soon? [19:13]
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smickles (or heading that way) [19:13]
mircea_popescu i think 5.05-5.1 is enough to break even there [19:13]
copumpkin wouldn't it just be 4.5 + 0.75? [19:14]
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copumpkin unless they placed the order when pricing was different [19:14]
smickles that's still .20 away from where we are now [19:14]
copumpkin I wasn't checking [19:14]
Mad7Scientist Who was the 1st president of the united States? [19:15]
smickles nixon [19:16]
lordcyfer I was [19:16]
smickles Mad7Scientist: are you serious? [19:16]
mircea_popescu washington [19:16]
Mad7Scientist before Washington [19:16]
Mad7Scientist Articles of Confederation [19:16]
lordcyfer Lincoln ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu yes copumpkin, if they sell on the last day [19:16]
smickles he was the articles of confederation prez [19:16]
mircea_popescu but since there's still time till lasrt friday there's prolly going to be some time value [19:16]
mircea_popescu i dunno, im guessing. [19:17]
mircea_popescu 10 days prolly worth .1 or so [19:17]
lordcyfer i am surch an ignorant [19:17]
silvercoin bob saget [19:17]
* copumpkin reverse engineers mircea_popescu's pricing algorithm [19:17]
mircea_popescu jeanone garofalo [19:17]
smickles Mad7Scientist: why do you think washington wasn't prez under the articles of confederation? [19:17]
mircea_popescu *mircea_popescu's pricing algorithm reversengineers copumpkin back [19:18]
copumpkin oh shit [19:18]
copumpkin counterhax [19:18]
mircea_popescu lol [19:18]
pirateat40 John Hanson [19:18]
Mad7Scientist Washington was the 1st President under the Constitution [19:18]
copumpkin it's like getting ghosted on the good wife [19:18]
mircea_popescu Hansome's right! [19:18]
copumpkin I hate getting ghosted [19:18]
Mad7Scientist ok John Hanson thanks [19:18]
mircea_popescu Hanson was little more than the first among equals in Congress and had no executive power. His duties were largely ceremonial, and his correct title was President of the Continental Congress. [19:19]
mircea_popescu so not really properly called "f the us" [19:19]
smickles how long did it take some to correct me? [19:19]
smickles 2 min [19:20]
smickles not bad [19:20]
smickles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Confederation#Presidents_of_the_Congress [19:21]
Mad7Scientist Was he the highest position of the executive branch of the united States government [19:21]
Mad7Scientist LIke Prime Minister [19:22]
Mad7Scientist The vice president is currently the president of the Senate [19:22]
mod6 like being speaker of the house or something is a little closer probably. [19:22]
smickles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_Continental_Congress#List_of_presidents [19:22]
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Mad7Scientist 13. Declares that the Articles are perpetual, and can only be altered by approval of Congress with ratification by all the state legislatures. [19:23]
Mad7Scientist So the Constitution in fact is illegal, since only 3/4 ratified [19:23]
Mad7Scientist well two states didn't ratify, but the amendments only require 3/4 [19:23]
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smickles Mad7Scientist: well, our whole country is illegal, ... from england's perspective [19:24]
silvercoin sounds fun [19:24]
Mad7Scientist yeah ... lets go talk to the Indians [19:24]
Phoebus lol [19:24]
smickles Mad7Scientist: phhft, like they had laws @.@ [19:25]
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smickles [19:25]
jcpham england doesn't want to step to this [19:25]
errydayimgenerat iif they wanted their land so bad they should have filed deeds and titles [19:25]
mod6 they certainly tried, twice. [19:25]
errydayimgenerat the natives that is [19:25]
Mad7Scientist You know the Lakotah break away thing in North Dakota where they claim land of like 4 entire states because of a treaty from the 1800's [19:25]
errydayimgenerat now england is america's bitch [19:25]
smickles 'merica, FUCK YEAH, tits, 'n beer, 'n pussy 'n tits! [19:25]
phraust fuckin GUNS [19:25]
phraust wooo [19:26]
mod6 :D [19:26]
mod6 that Oatmeal cartoon was great. [19:26]
smickles yeah [19:26]
Mad7Scientist technically they are rich all land belonging to the United States should be handed over to the Lakotah [19:26]
Mad7Scientist rich no I mean right [19:26]
Mad7Scientist in that area of the country [19:27]
jcpham handed over to locutus of borg? [19:27]
smickles r.r [19:27]
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Mad7Scientist I guess the Articles of Confederation didn't really have much of an executive branch. It's kind of like the EU was in 15 years ago [19:28]
jcpham has the eu been the eu for 15 years now/ [19:29]
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jcpham ;;google european union founding [19:30]
detrate anyone want to sell me 11 btc for $50 PPUSD? [19:32]
Mad7Scientist The EU was created by the Treaty of Rome in the 50's [19:32]
mircea_popescu "oh and as i was washing my hair this morning it occured to me i hadnt said anything about your nice smooth balls" [19:32]
detrate I'm authed and have done PP transactions before [19:32]
mircea_popescu i couldn't make this shit up. [19:32]
mod6 xD [19:32]
Mad7Scientist IRC is such a wonder [19:32]
imsaguy2 mircea_popescu: do we really want to know? [19:32]
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mircea_popescu well you're in btc-otc so im guessing you do ? [19:33]
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Mad7Scientist It's like bringing someone's bathroom right next door [19:33]
mircea_popescu otherwise you'd be in like, some other chan [19:33]
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shades smoothballs, what? i have my connection fail and idk what i miss [19:33]
mircea_popescu lol [19:34]
detrate sturles: are you interested in selling me 11 btc for PPUSD? [19:34]
detrate lunks: ? [19:34]
lunks ;;remove 6767 [19:35]
lunks ops [19:35]
lunks detrate: sorry, no [19:35]
lunks I forgot to remove the order [19:35]
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lunks ;;remove 6767 [19:36]
gribble Order 6767 removed. [19:36]
draco49 detrate: you're gonna have a hard time buying 11BTC @$50USD via PP right now [19:36]
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novusordo buying btc for moneypak [19:37]
mircea_popescu ;;getrate [19:42]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:42]
mircea_popescu hmm is gribble dead ? [19:43]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [19:49]
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mircea_popescu i think gribble kicked the bucket. [19:50]
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Graet ;;bc,diffchange [19:50]
Graet ;;gribble [19:50]
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mircea_popescu i hope its not my smoothness that did it. [19:51]
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BTCHero nanotube gribble is broken [19:54]
nanotube yea i see... let's check [19:55]
BTCHero ok just wanted to page you [19:55]
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nanotube zomg [19:55]
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BTCHero lol [19:55]
nanotube BTCHero: maybe it's freenode :) [19:55]
errydayimgenerat wowee [19:55]
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nanotube i'll save the checking for later then [19:56]
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mircea_popescu zomg << lmao [19:56]
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nanotube mircea_popescu: hehe [19:57]
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mircea_popescu dude i swear never to mention my balls on freenode again [19:57]
mircea_popescu IM SORRY OMFG [19:57]
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nanotube yea see what you done mircea_popescu let that be a lesson [19:57]
nanotube heh [19:57]
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Tril ;;rate errydayimgenerat 1 smooth trade for 50 BTC mtgox code [20:04]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user errydayimgenerat has been recorded. [20:04]
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smickles lol, freenode gettin' ddos [20:09]
* spawn- im selling $156 Amazon Payments ill accept PPUSD or BTC as payment anyone? PM me for arrangement :) [20:09]
smickles ;;pm me [20:09]
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jcpham i was derping it alone [20:10]
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smickles who doesn't like freenode? [20:10]
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mircea_popescu anyone selling mtgox codes or btc for pp ? [20:10]
smickles i mean really, what's the point of dosing freenode? [20:10]
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jcpham silencio [20:11]
jcpham break up comms, confuse the enemy [20:11]
imsaguy2 spawn-, is that amazon gc? [20:11]
mircea_popescu as if jcpham [20:11]
spawn- yups [20:11]
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smickles ;;letmein [20:12]
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jcpham ;;letmeindeep [20:12]
smickles ;;letmeinhard [20:12]
jcpham nasty bastard [20:12]
mircea_popescu ;;letmein your heart on this day of days oh gribble [20:12]
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jcpham you guys are getting fresh with gribble [20:13]
smickles i bet mircea_popescu get's in gribble's pants with that one [20:13]
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* spawn- i can load your Amazon Payments account for $156 ill accept PPUSD or BTC as payment anyone? PM me for arrangement :) [20:13]
mircea_popescu he wears a skirt newb. [20:13]
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smickles ack [20:15]
imsaguy2 jesus [20:15]
silvercoin wth [20:15]
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jcpham ...down the rabbit hole [20:16]
spawn- fuck freenode [20:16]
mircea_popescu rather shaky [20:16]
spawn- lol [20:16]
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smickles gettin' dossed D: [20:16]
spawn- is there someone attacking freenode? [20:16]
smickles spawn-: yes [20:16]
silvercoin bitcoin armeggedon [20:16]
jcpham prove it! [20:16]
jcpham pics or didn't happen [20:16]
draco49 connect via tor ... I'm never affected by net splits [20:16]
spawn- damn!! [20:16]
imsaguy2 jcpham: I notice you didn't say that about mircea_popescu's smooth balls. [20:16]
draco49 LOL [20:17]
mircea_popescu haha [20:17]
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draco49 manybe he had first hand knowledge ;) [20:17]
jcpham tongue verified? [20:17]
smickles https://twitter.com/#!/freenodestaff/status/167875722755575808 [20:17]
imsaguy2 oh, I didn't realize you were the one saying it to him in the shower. [20:17]
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pigeons put my salty chocolate balls in your mouth and suck 'em [20:17]
jcpham smickles is all over dat twittah [20:18]
mircea_popescu did any of you guys have that new scweddy balls icecream btw ? [20:18]
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pigeons cause i used organic sugar [20:18]
terrytibbs freenode is like that nice guy everyone is friends with [20:18]
smickles .o twitter smickles [20:18]
draco49 fair trade sugar I hope [20:18]
terrytibbs but then he gets bullied anyway [20:18]
smickles markac: ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu poor freenode. [20:19]
pigeons copumpkin is freenode? [20:19]
mircea_popescu ahahaha omg evil. [20:19]
* spawn- i can load your Amazon Payments account for $156 ill accept PPUSD or BTC as payment anyone? PM me for arrangement :) [20:19]
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smickles .o twitter [20:19]
smickles .o twitter @smickles [20:19]
smickles poo [20:19]
terrytibbs spawn-: desperate much? [20:20]
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spawn- not really [20:20]
spawn- just need PPUSD :) [20:20]
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draco49 spawn is offering clean urine specimes for BTC [20:20]
smickles only urine? [20:21]
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smickles lloo [20:21]
lunks ovo, lol [20:21]
smickles another server came back [20:21]
lunks ;;voiceme [20:21]
draco49 he might trade pubes for PP also [20:21]
rg woof woof [20:22]
rg im poochy [20:22]
rg the rockin dock! [20:22]
rg dog! [20:22]
rg let me try that again [20:22]
rg woof! woof! [20:22]
rg im poochy [20:22]
smickles dock, dog, what's the difference [20:22]
rg the rockin dog! [20:22]
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rg im going to bed [20:22]
rg no one order a vps [20:23]
rg just kidding order it [20:23]
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mircea_popescu anyone said dog ? http://lascivul.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/thumb_595_x_398_0-147865-1.jpg [20:25]
copumpkin pigeons: :[ [20:25]
Joric i go sleep but when i return it'll better be under $4 [20:25]
mircea_popescu copumpkin : he said he's gonna wait in your apartment to get you with a sock fulla pennies too. [20:26]
mircea_popescu better switch your peepholes. [20:26]
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imsaguy2 mircea_popescu: its funny you should mention socks [20:26]
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mircea_popescu why imsa ? [20:27]
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imsaguy2 copumpkin has special socks [20:27]
mircea_popescu i musta mist dat. [20:27]
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spawn- yes pubes hehe [20:28]
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silvercoin , [20:31]
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* spawn- i can load your Amazon Payments account for $156 ill accept PPUSD or BTC as payment anyone? PM me for arrangement :) [20:34]
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errydayimgenerat ;;rate tril 1 smooth trade for 50 BTC mtgox code [20:38]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user tril has been recorded. [20:39]
Keefe "In related news Microsoft announced a new plan to undermine Apple by buying 20 million ipods and destroying them. Apple's stock up 200%, Microsoft down 90%." << in response to the idea of someone buying up lots of BTC and deleting it to hurt bitcoin [20:39]
copumpkin lol [20:40]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:41]
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mcorlett Finally. [20:43]
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Keefe the low price? [20:45]
copumpkin the ~2k buy? [20:46]
imsaguy2 no, the ddos preventing people from connecting [20:46]
mcorlett imsaguy2 said it! [20:46]
Someguy123 rage... I have all my cash in LTC, and somehow LTC/BTC price is going down [20:47]
Someguy123 even though the value of BTC itself is going down [20:47]
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vinhpk ;;eauth [20:49]
mcorlett Do we have any merchants in here? [20:49]
phantomcircuit Someguy123, im guessing lack of confidence in the major market [20:49]
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Keefe mcorlett: merchants of what? [20:51]
mcorlett Keefe, anything, basically. I was going to ask how people handle fluctuations in price. [20:51]
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mircea_popescu some buy options. [20:52]
jcpham grip it and rip it? [20:52]
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imsaguy2 some merchants dont hold any btc, they liquidate as soon as they recieve it. [20:53]
mcorlett imsaguy2, that's what I'm planning on doing. [20:54]
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mcorlett What's generally used as the dollar value? Mt.Gox average? [20:55]
MacRohard yes. at the moment [20:55]
MacRohard if any other exchanges start getting decent volume then maybe you could do a volume based average [20:56]
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MacRohard but if you're plannign to sell right away you might as well just use the price of whatever exchange you'll sell on [20:56]
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mcorlett What about the high? What time frame does Mt.Gox use on that? [20:57]
smickles any [20:58]
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smickles 24 hr [20:58]
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smickles ;;bc24hprc [20:58]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [20:58]
gribble 4.75 [20:58]
MacRohard mcorlett, rolling 24hrs [20:58]
MacRohard i think [20:58]
mcorlett MacRohard: "sliding 24 hours", whatever that means. [20:59]
MacRohard the same thing [20:59]
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napkin yo BTCTrader [20:59]
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napkin anyone want to sell me btcs? [21:00]
napkin ;;ticker [21:00]
celeste Hi i have a $35 email gift card for sale for CVS pharmacy i have allready sold a $50 egiftcard to BTCtrader and a $300 egift card to DBordello with no problem thank you. [21:00]
celeste pm me [21:01]
napkin celeste: sorry for being har on you [21:01]
napkin i was in a bad mood [21:01]
DingoRabiit Oi! [21:01]
smickles ;;gettrust celeste [21:01]
gribble Trust relationship from user smickles to user celeste: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=smickles&dest=celeste [21:01]
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celeste napkin np [21:01]
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mcorlett ;;help [21:03]
DingoRabiit I'll auth if asked, But i want to make it quick, (lol im good) I want to BUY (so you can chargeitback if i dont play lol) 10PPusd, Please contact me [21:03]
DingoRabiit Screw it [21:03]
DingoRabiit ima start ;;authing [21:03]
celeste ,,ticker [21:03]
DingoRabiit ;;auth [21:03]
Blitzboom M4v3R: 18 hrs left [21:03]
Blitzboom lol, fun bet actually [21:03]
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mcorlett DingoRabiit, there are scripts for most IRC clients too. [21:04]
DingoRabiit Yeahyeahyeah [21:04]
DingoRabiit :P [21:04]
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mircea_popescu anyone know what's like the hardest raid in wow ? [21:05]
smickles hmm, gox price is rising too fast [21:05]
silvercoin I need 15 btc [21:06]
vragnaroda ;;ticker [21:06]
silvercoin ;;mtgox [21:06]
novusordo is ANYONE selling btc for moneypak? i've been trying for 3 days... [21:07]
vragnaroda damned netsplits, I wanted that ticker in-channel! [21:07]
vragnaroda ;;ticker [21:07]
gribble Best bid: 4.78781, Best ask: 4.79, Bid-ask spread: 0.00219, Last trade: 4.78781, 24 hour volume: 288785, 24 hour low: 4.21211, 24 hour high: 5.5 [21:07]
Keefe DingoRabiit: i can give you paypal. but you'll get a better rate from some others if you don't mind more risk [21:08]
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DingoRabiit Bah, I want if quick Keefe, Slap me an offer [21:08]
smickles novusordo: bad luck, i've seen a few mp sales happen in the past 3 days [21:08]
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Keefe k, will pm in a minute [21:08]
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smickles ;;view novusordo [21:08]
gribble #6793 Mon Feb 13 18:49:36 2012 novusordo BUY 5.0 btc @ 5 usd (($25 moneypak)) [21:08]
vragnaroda lol [21:09]
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mcorlett What's the difference between Mt.Gox's last_all and last_local? [21:10]
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DingoRabiit Keefe has made me an offer that i am taking, Im not buying anymore [21:11]
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MacRohard mcorlett, not sure. it might be to do with their other currencies? [21:14]
MacRohard with local being your default currency perhaps. *shrug* [21:14]
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helo $25 moneypak? fee suckage :( [21:15]
novusordo for me.... not for the receiver [21:15]
helo it's hard for me to justify buying $50 moneypak [21:15]
helo yes, of course :) [21:16]
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novusordo nobody's selling even for $0.25 above the going rate? [21:18]
Keefe oh i'd sell, but i don't accept the payment methods most buyers want to offer [21:19]
Keefe in particular, i don't accept paypal, amazon, or moneypak [21:19]
helo do you accept... keefe? [21:20]
celeste i want to buy £400 pounds of bitcoins with citibank tranfer? pm me [21:20]
celeste from uk [21:21]
Blitzboom Keefe: why not moneypak btw [21:21]
helo err what do you accept [21:21]
copumpkin do you accept Kief, Keefe? [21:21]
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imsaguy2 I betcha he'd accept alpaca socks [21:23]
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Keefe no, i want nothing to do with drugs [21:23]
copumpkin yeah, so how about alpaca socks? [21:23]
celeste i want to buy £400 pounds of bitcoins with citibank tranfer? pm me from uk [21:23]
Keefe i live in hot southern california, so not much interest in socks :) [21:23]
copumpkin dammit [21:24]
copumpkin so picky [21:24]
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Keefe celeste: i have a US citibank account. do you know if you can easily send gbp and it will be exchanged to usd for me? [21:25]
celeste +Keefe i will pay any costs [21:25]
silvercoin ;;getrating silvercoin [21:25]
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Keefe celeste: doesn't intersango accept gbp by bank transfer? [21:26]
celeste what rate? [21:26]
Keefe no idea. but it's a long established exchange, and i think it's in the UK. might be worth checking out [21:27]
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celeste +Keefe your rate? [21:27]
napkin can anyone sell me BTCs for either MP or visa gift card? [21:28]
napkin im looking for around 20 [21:28]
BRAGO Hi all. I have a brand new Moneypak with $120 on it. Looking to sell for BTC. Any takers? [21:28]
imsaguy2 jesus [21:28]
imsaguy2 the influx of people [21:28]
imsaguy2 yet the price is falling [21:28]
silvercoin ;;eauth silvercoin [21:28]
Keefe that's why the new buyers :) [21:28]
MORA| im holding on to my 6BTC, /me trusts in BTC! [21:28]
napkin ;;ticker [21:28]
[eval] i'll be buying BTC tomorrow most likely :> [21:29]
celeste Keefe please pm me so we can talk more in depth [21:29]
Keefe ok [21:29]
* jcpham is selling at substantially inflated rate [21:29]
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rawrmage ;;bc,price [21:30]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 5.640012 | Next Price In About 2 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes, and 24 seconds [21:30]
rawrmage cool [21:30]
copumpkin lol [21:30]
BRAGO $120 Moneypak for BTC [21:30]
copumpkin nanotube: what's the story behind that one? :P [21:30]
copumpkin nanotube: can we have an ;;s3052 command? [21:31]
napkin are there not a ton of sellers right now cuz its damn low? [21:31]
copumpkin nanotube: that randomly tells us sophisticated-sounding things? [21:31]
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mircea_popescu lol i second the motion [21:32]
imsaguy2 ;;bc,options [21:32]
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stamit "motion seconded" [21:34]
stamit now it's a seconded motion. seconding of motion is now complete. [21:35]
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smickles ;;echo "since we're in wave [dice 1d3] of impulse B, the price should jump to [calc (ticker --last)*1.18] before falling to [calc (ticker --last)*.5] [21:36]
smickles ;;echo "since we're in wave [dice 1d3] of impulse B, the price should jump to [calc (ticker --last)*1.18] before falling to [calc (ticker --last)*.5]" [21:36]
gribble since we're in wave [dice 1d3] of impulse B, the price should jump to [calc (ticker --last)*1.18] before falling to [calc (ticker --last)*.5] [21:36]
smickles dam [21:36]
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smickles i thought that would work [21:36]
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[eval] smickles: the "" prevent the [] from being evaluated [21:37]
stamit ;;echo [dice 1d3] [21:37]
[eval] ;;dice 1d3 [21:37]
[eval] neat :> [21:38]
mcorlett (Almost) finished, just need to implement payment processing. Thanks for the help, everyone. http://i.imgur.com/UhRGm.png [21:38]
jcpham who tosses a 3 sided die [21:38]
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[eval] jcpham: who can make a 3-sided die in meatspace? [21:38]
stamit ;;dice 1d10 [21:38]
gribble 2 [21:38]
jcpham exactly [21:38]
silvercoin lunch time bbl [21:39]
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smickles ;;echo "since we're in wave"[dice 1d3]"of impulse B, the price should jump to"[calc [ticker --last]*1.18]"before falling to"[calc [ticker --last]*.5] [21:39]
gribble since we're in wave 2 of impulse B, the price should jump to 5.5342236 before falling to 2.34501 [21:39]
smickles :D [21:39]
[eval] win :D [21:39]
* smickles shoud use fibinocci numbers tho [21:40]
jcpham or factorials [21:40]
jcpham throw some exclamation points in there [21:40]
smickles ;;echo "since we're in wave"[dice 1d3]"of impulse B, the price should jump to"[calc [ticker --last]*1.328]"before falling to"[calc [ticker --last]*.618] [21:40]
gribble since we're in wave 2 of impulse B, the price should jump to 6.22832 before falling to 2.89842 [21:40]
smickles there, that looks mor accurate [21:40]
jcpham now put it ona blog [21:40]
jcpham profit [21:40]
smickles a 3 sided die is a triangular pyramid jcpham [eval] [21:41]
smickles numbers on the points [21:41]
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stamit ;;roulette [21:41]
jcpham a 3 sided die doesn't exist in the 3rd dimension [21:41]
[eval] smickles: http://diceindices.com/three-sided-dice/ <-- like this? [21:42]
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jcpham NO! [21:42]
jcpham those have 5 sides [21:42]
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smickles [eval]: not the one's i'm talking about [21:42]
[eval] true, but 2 of the sids have a virtually 0 chance of ending up on top :P [21:42]
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draco49 virtually... [21:42]
stamit ;;roulette [21:42]
stamit why can't i practice my suicidal sport? [21:43]
smickles oh lol, i was thinking of a d4 [21:43]
[eval] smickles: yeah :) [21:43]
jcpham i get d4 [21:43]
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smickles stamit: #bitcoin-games [21:43]
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[eval] does gribble have a revolver? [21:45]
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smickles [eval]: yes [21:46]
smickles and a d3 would just not have flat faces [21:46]
[eval] http://www.gamescience.com/3-sideddice(d3) [21:47]
[eval] like these? [21:47]
jcpham if it only has 3 faces, it can't be a closed geometric shape [21:47]
gmaxwell smickles: you can have any number of sides using a cylinder. [21:47]
jcpham it could have an open face, but iwouldn't call it a die [21:47]
gmaxwell But other than cylindrical die it must be a regular polyhedra, which limits your options. [21:48]
gmaxwell even if your making dice for universes with more spatial dimensions. [21:48]
helo might as well use a d6 with 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3 [21:48]
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jcpham the odss aren't the same on the 1d6 [21:49]
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gmaxwell You all owe me a polyhedrial d96. [21:52]
napkin anyone selling btcs? [21:52]
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[eval] jcpham: why aren't they the same on the 1d6 using 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3? i'm rusty on probability. [21:52]
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helo [eval]: i think he misunderstood. it's gotta be the same... [21:53]
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smickles ;;echo "since we're in wave"[dice 1d3]"of impulse B, the price should jump to"[calc [ticker --last]*1.18]"before falling to"[calc [ticker --last]*.5] [21:54]
gribble since we're in wave 2 of impulse B, the price should jump to 5.5696 before falling to 2.36 [21:54]
smickles it's consistent about wave 2, IT MUST BE RIGHT [21:55]
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smickles ;;echo "since we're in wave"[dice 1d3]"of impulse B, the price should jump to"[calc [ticker --low]*1.328]"before falling to"[calc [ticker --low]*.664] [21:57]
gribble since we're in wave 2 of impulse B, the price should jump to 5.59368208 before falling to 2.79684104 [21:57]
smickles :D [21:57]
smickles perfect [21:57]
smickles oh [21:57]
smickles not [21:57]
fdawy can you help me Exchange from amazon payments to paypal [21:58]
smickles you will give amazon payments for pp, fdawy ? [21:58]
vinhpk ;;help [21:58]
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fdawy yes [21:59]
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smickles edged cigar shaped icosahedra with 3 faces [22:04]
smickles that's what i was thinking of [22:04]
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james777 callme hey nelisky, are you still selling ukash for btc? [22:10]
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mcorlett If I use wget to overwrite a file, will that file be unusable for the duration of the download? [22:12]
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dinox ;;voiceme [22:15]
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dinox Want to exchange $200 mtgoxusd to paypal usd, 1:1 and you need 30+ rating. Anyone? [22:17]
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vinhpk ;;gpg eauth vinhpk [22:18]
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napkin_ anyone selling btcs? [22:20]
dinox napkin_: mtgoxusd :) [22:20]
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napkin_ i have to have dwolla set up though yeh? [22:21]
napkin_ i think i just have to verify bank [22:21]
napkin_ which requested a few days ago [22:21]
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dinox still selling mtgoxusd for ppusd... [22:23]
echelon has anyone checked out serve.com from american express? [22:23]
echelon it's a paypal clone [22:23]
echelon they give you $10 at signup [22:23]
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BTCHero You can put moneypak into it to [22:23]
BTCHero too [22:23]
pigeons hmmm one of the users here was referring us and only giving us $5 [22:24]
BTCHero I think I will sign up someday [22:24]
echelon pigeons: i guess if you sign up without a referral you get the whole $10 heh [22:24]
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echelon can you register anonymously? [22:25]
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echelon do they verify if your name & address are legit? [22:26]
dinox serve.com is just for US? [22:27]
dinox only* [22:27]
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echelon well, they want the last four digits of your ssn# [22:27]
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dinox seems to be us only then... [22:28]
echelon but i'm not sure if they verify anything [22:28]
dinox what a blooper if they dont [22:28]
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echelon oh.. "To add money to your Serve account you must link either a valid U.S. bank account or a valid U.S. credit or debit card." [22:29]
napkin_ so when trading w/ mtgox, say w/ dwolla or MP do you what is best strategy for bid? [22:29]
echelon so it's just like pp :/ [22:29]
napkin_ just do lowest or a bit above last? [22:29]
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echelon it's useless unless you link a bank account or credit card :/ [22:29]
BTCHero moneypak? [22:30]
BTCHero free to withdraw 1 time a month with no monthly fees if I see correctly [22:31]
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dinox /'/msg -freenode gribble [22:31]
M4v3R 4.55 [22:32]
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M4v3R We're going down after all [22:32]
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fdawy mps : are you thare [22:32]
fdawy mps : are you thare [22:33]
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dinox Want to exchange $200 mtgoxusd to paypal usd, 1:1 and you need 30+ rating. [22:35]
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dinox Going afk 1 hour, send me a message if anyone want to trade and i'll answer it when i'm back... [22:42]
celeste Hi i have a $35 email gift card for sale for CVS pharmacy i have allready sold a $50 egiftcard to BTCtrader and a $150 egift card to DBbollero with no problems PM me thank you. [22:43]
Mad7Scientist Is there anyone here (besides spaw n- in #digishell) who would sell a linux/BSD shell account for a monthly BTC payment? [22:45]
pigeons I think grubles and rg from #bitvps offer shells [22:46]
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BTCHero You were asking for anon though right? [22:47]
pigeons oh they don't do anon [22:48]
Mad7Scientist anonymous shells? [22:48]
Mad7Scientist not really [22:49]
Mad7Scientist with bitcoin anything can be made anonymous [22:49]
vragnaroda lol [22:49]
malkauns_ lol [22:50]
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BTCHero what is funny [22:50]
BTCHero am i missing something? [22:50]
vragnaroda « [15:49] < Mad7Scienti> | with bitcoin anything can be made anonymous » is hilarious [22:50]
BTCHero yeah [22:51]
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BTCHero it isn't hilarious, just slightly erraneous though no? [22:51]
celeste i want to buy £400 pounds of bitcoins with citibank tranfer? pm me from uk. [22:51]
BTCHero erroneous [22:52]
celeste i will pay any costs [22:52]
a5m0 selling new black or white yubikeys for $20 in btc or dwolla [22:53]
vragnaroda ;;ident a5m0 [22:53]
gribble Nick 'a5m0', with hostmask 'a5m0!~Arc@cpe-173-175-202-7.tx.res.rr.com', is not identified. [22:53]
a5m0 would you like me to ident? [22:53]
Mad7Scientist cash through the mail is also anonymous [22:53]
vragnaroda Texas, huh? Steers and queers. [22:54]
vragnaroda Mad7Scientist: lol [22:54]
a5m0 vragnaroda, so you're from texas? [22:54]
Mad7Scientist You can go online on a new connection, and send anonymously obtained or mined BTC [22:54]
vragnaroda a5m0: I'd like anyone making offers to authenticate. [22:54]
vragnaroda I am not from Texas. [22:54]
BTCHero I will accept cash through mail [22:54]
BTCHero To add money to your Serve account you must link either a valid U.S. bank account or a valid U.S. credit or debit card. You can add up to $1,000 per day via an ACH transfer from your bank, and up to $100 per day via credit card or debit card (there is a monthly credit card load limit of $250). You may add up to $2,500 to your Serve account per month, depending on your account limits. You [22:56]
BTCHero can add money from your linked U.S. bank account or a U.S. credit card or U.S. debit card up to 30 times in a calendar month. [22:56]
BTCHero Do you think that you need to link a bank account to redeem moneypak on it? [22:56]
BTCHero I am sure you eventually have to give them your full SSN too [22:57]
BTCHero But they only ask for last 4 digits during signup [22:57]
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vragnaroda BTCHero: I think if you do enough business with them, they'll require it. [22:58]
BTCHero Probably 250? Is that a law or just common practice. [22:58]
celeste +BTCHero what site is this please? [22:58]
BTCHero serve.com [22:58]
vlaube Hi, I'm interested in buying steam games, is anyone selling? [22:58]
celeste thanks [22:58]
MORA| theres someone on the forum [22:58]
MORA| vlaube [22:58]
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vlaube @MORA|: do you mean nothingsteamed? [22:59]
MORA| https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52050.0 [23:00]
vlaube ah, thanks. unfortunately he doesn't have the games i'm interested in [23:01]
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Brads Sup guys. [23:02]
MORA| I have some valve discount coupons ... like half the earth [23:02]
MORA| and a cogs [23:02]
Keefe vlaube: i have a steam acct. i think i could buy a game and transfer it to you [23:02]
Brads Anyone selling btc? [23:03]
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napkin_ anyone want to sell me BTCs for visa gift card or moneydot? [23:03]
napkin_ i put a request through mtgox i think [23:04]
vlaube @MORA|: i already have cogs, I'm interested in limbo and the binding of isaac [23:04]
Keefe Brads: maybe vlaube would give you btc in exchange for you buying him a game thru steam? [23:04]
MORA| hm, the last one was in a bundle ... [23:04]
Brads What game vlaube? [23:04]
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MORA| Humble Voxatron [23:04]
BTCHero You mean Moneypak napkin_? [23:05]
BTCHero And how much [23:05]
napkin_ yeah [23:05]
Brads Im up for that. [23:05]
vlaube @brads: limbo and the binding of isaac [23:05]
Brads How much btc for em? [23:05]
MORA| vlaube you can get the Voxatron bundle here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=62100.0 [23:05]
napkin_ i am looking to get about 20 BTCs [23:05]
napkin_ ;;ticker [23:06]
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MORA| although he dont list binding, so you may have to pm and ask if its above average [23:06]
vlaube hmm, i doubt it [23:06]
napkin_ visa gift card would be easier for me [23:07]
vlaube but thanks anyway [23:07]
nomad101 ;; [23:07]
nomad101 ;;ticker [23:07]
BTCHero If you mail the visa gift card to me ill do it [23:07]
Brads Vlaube, ill buy you those 2 [23:07]
Brads games [23:07]
vlaube @brads: sounds good [23:08]
vlaube how much would that be in btc? [23:08]
napkin_ any takers? [23:08]
Brads its 15 Total vlaube, so 3 maybe? [23:09]
nomad101 ;;guide [23:09]
vlaube @brads: sounds good [23:10]
pirateat40 is this irc thing like twitter? [23:10]
BTCHero kind of [23:11]
BTCHero you have to type like this [23:11]
BTCHero 140 chars or less [23:11]
pirateat40 Im new here, sorry. [23:11]
celeste Hi i have a $35 email gift card for sale for CVS pharmacy i have allready sold a $50 egiftcard to BTCtrader and a $300 egift card to DBordello with no problem thank you. [23:11]
pirateat40 where are my friends list? [23:11]
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brad_ disconnected [23:11]
brad_ ;l [23:11]
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dinox ;;ticker [23:12]
gribble Best bid: 4.62, Best ask: 4.62527, Bid-ask spread: 0.00527, Last trade: 4.62, 24 hour volume: 297778, 24 hour low: 4.21211, 24 hour high: 5.5 [23:12]
mcorlett I'm 12 years old and what is this? [23:12]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:12]
brad_ BTChero, you take paypal yet :l [23:12]
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BTCHero nope [23:12]
pirateat40 mcorlett, ASL? [23:12]
celeste i want to buy £400 pounds of bitcoins with citibank tranfer? pm me [23:12]
BTCHero 18/g/fl [23:12]
mcorlett pirateat40: Pfft! Don't even. [23:13]
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BTCHero err wait 18/f/fl [23:13]
mircea_popescu pirateat40 was 12 back when hitler was still roaming. [23:13]
phantomcircuit lol [23:13]
phantomcircuit BTCHero, YOUR SEX IS GIRAFFE [23:13]
dinox brad_: do you have a rating? [23:13]
vragnaroda The proper response is “old enough/let me finish my tea first/urmom/” [23:13]
mircea_popescu if urmom is urmom then whats urchin ? [23:13]
vragnaroda lol [23:14]
BTCHero pirateat40 I have pics. S2R [23:14]
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nomad101 ;;fraud [23:14]
pirateat40 I was 12 when vragnaroda first corrected his teacher. [23:14]
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mircea_popescu and actually the proper response is "ya ya go ahead get started ima grab the times". Don Rickles sez so. [23:15]
vragnaroda Then you're not that much older than I am. :p [23:15]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: lol [23:15]
mircea_popescu the teachers are collectively lucky he's not YOUNGER eh ? [23:16]
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napkin_ anyone want to sell btcs? [23:17]
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Noitev so [23:20]
napkin_ it doesnt look like to me mtgox is taking money packs [23:20]
napkin_ am i wrong? [23:20]
sturles No, you are correct. Moneypak is U.S. only. Mtgox is in Japan. [23:23]
Staatsfeind You might be able to get a MoneyPak → MTGUSD offer, though. [23:24]
napkin_ mmk [23:24]
napkin_ word, id have to go run somewhere to get it though [23:24]
napkin_ and i dont know if i am going to be in state to drive [23:24]
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napkin_ so amazon gift card would be better but if someone wants a MP hit me up [23:24]
napkin_ future deal maybe too [23:25]
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Keefe napkin_: if you're willing to drive somewhere and pay $5, maybe you'd like to deposit cash to a bank account instead? [23:31]
Noitev anyone selling coins for moneypak? [23:31]
napkin_ yeah maybe Keefe [23:31]
napkin_ how do i do that [23:31]
napkin_ is it easy? [23:31]
napkin_ MP is just so easy.. [23:31]
Keefe either way you have to wait in a line [23:32]
phraust im looking for btc or mtgox usd for moneypak :d [23:32]
Keefe to deposit cash in one's bank account, you usually just need their name and acct # [23:32]
Keefe have a wells or citi neary? [23:32]
Keefe nearby* [23:33]
Noitev oh keefe, is it a long wait? [23:33]
phraust 2k if possible. [23:33]
napkin_ i think wells [23:33]
Keefe depends on location and time of day [23:33]
Keefe pm me if you want to do that [23:33]
Noitev ;;bc,mtgox [23:35]
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celeste Hi i have a $35 email gift card for sale for CVS pharmacy i have allready sold a $50 egiftcard to BTCtrader and a $300 egift card to DBordello with no problem thank you. [23:38]
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helo hi! [23:47]
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Staatsfeind helo: howdy [23:48]
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