Forum logs for 13 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272197 << lulz. nice definition of 'alright'. pretty much equal to 'breathing'	[00:01]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 00:52:36; williamdunne: She was dressed up all goth-like and spoke like a retard so can't imagine she was that good	[00:01]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272223 << my current one is ~$1`500, approx same as one from 5 years ago that was stolen last fall.	[00:03]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 00:56:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: update me, what are they worth today	[00:03]
pete_dushenski	new one has some neater features, but inflation hasn't worked in favour of country of manufacture. old one was built in canada, new one... taiwan.	[00:04]
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pete_dushenski	'neater features' include integrated headlights in handlebar and 'internal hub' gears (no external derailer, rubber 'chain' instead of metal)	[00:05]
pete_dushenski	http://sheldonbrown.com/s-a/sa-cutaway.gif << internal hub	[00:06]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1K4tQbd )	[00:06]
pete_dushenski	mine is 8-speed.	[00:07]
pete_dushenski	'designed in germany' but fuck, might as well be 'designed by apple in california'	[00:07]
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pete_dushenski	https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/642381253371686912 << mecca messiness	[00:14]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272278 << ukr also has the cheapest smokes and absynthe (and probably liquor in general) that i can recall seeing. anywhere.	[00:20]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 01:19:14; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271780 << well now i must to ukr	[00:20]
pete_dushenski	i remember being impressed that pack of 20 (?) marlboros was <$1 when they'd have been >$10 here	[00:21]
pete_dushenski	and that was the premium brand!	[00:21]
pete_dushenski	there were smokes that were actually ~less than a penny per~. i was tempted to pick up the habit then and there	[00:22]
pete_dushenski	the cheap ones being 'local' brands i'd never heard of and can't recall now	[00:22]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272333 << interesting... sorta like a motorbike gearbox	[00:30]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 03:04:05; pete_dushenski: http://sheldonbrown.com/s-a/sa-cutaway.gif << internal hub	[00:30]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: how useful is it, in practice ?	[00:30]
pete_dushenski	excellent imo.	[00:32]
pete_dushenski	ultra-low maintenance, never derails.	[00:32]
pete_dushenski	they make an 11-speed and that'd be the only change i'd make	[00:32]
pete_dushenski	8 is just ok, needs another two at the top and one at the bottom end	[00:33]
pete_dushenski	bbias	[00:33]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272337 << 'trust in allah but tied your...' crane.	[00:33]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 03:12:25; pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/IraqiSuryani1/status/642381253371686912 << mecca messiness	[00:33]
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ben_vulpes	pete_dushenski: i am suspicious of these internally geared thingers	[00:53]
ben_vulpes	i also suspect that they won't hold up to the kind of thrashing i put my machines through	[00:54]
ben_vulpes	explicating // to new macbooks left as exercise for logreaders	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28000 @ 0.000754 = 21.112 BTC [-]	[00:56]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: i'm similarly skeptical but there's been nary a hiccup in the first season at least. it'll take another few before i can say much more than that.	[01:16]
pete_dushenski	and i'm not exactly easy on it myself :P	[01:16]
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pete_dushenski	ben_vulpes: and how many macbooks have you burnt through in past 5-7 years ?	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	i have '08 aluminum that's a bit bogged down with cruft but otherwise excellent	[01:20]
pete_dushenski	and '13 'air' with two keys that have their bad days (delete, a) and a weird screen deformity that makes everything a bit washed out but isn't worth $1k to fix	[01:23]
pete_dushenski	then again, i almost certainly don't push them as hard as you do	[01:23]
pete_dushenski	i'm just doing web, text, odd bit of video, once-in-a-blue-moon editing	[01:24]
*	asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it.	[01:24]
asciilifeform	you can get this for somewhere north of a benjie.	[01:25]
asciilifeform	mega-recommended.	[01:25]
asciilifeform	somewhere there is also a set of his correspondence, a good chunk of it in fr, that i don't yet have.	[01:26]
pete_dushenski	in fr ? monsieur blair !	[01:26]
asciilifeform	aha.	[01:27]
asciilifeform	pete_dushenski: the keyboards don't come out of these things any more ?	[01:28]
asciilifeform	otherwise i can't fathom why anyone would live with dead keys	[01:28]
pete_dushenski	1. 'air' is sealed tighter than an 80yo nun, 2. it's like once a month for some reason.	[01:29]
asciilifeform	i have an 'air' that i've replaced virtually all of at one time or another...	[01:30]
pete_dushenski	;;google replace macbook air keyboard	[01:30]
gribble	Replacing the MacBook air keyboard - MacBook Air Models A1237 ...: ; MacBook Air Repair - iFixit: ; Macbook Air A1369 A1466 Keyboard Repair & Replacement - how ...:	[01:30]
asciilifeform	it comes out if you lift the mb.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	'air' is a dream to open compared to the old g4 'powerbooks' where you needed a spudger	[01:31]
asciilifeform	(old bank cards make the best spudgers imho)	[01:31]
pete_dushenski	well shows what i know about wrenching on apple hardware!	[01:33]
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pete_dushenski	i also recently cracked open ~2kg of dead tree goodness : a history of private lives, volumes i-iv	[01:34]
asciilifeform	i only have vol. 1	[01:35]
pete_dushenski	actually, probably more like ~4kg for the set	[01:35]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: aha. this is the only one i've yet cracked	[01:35]
asciilifeform	it is spiffy	[01:35]
pete_dushenski	fantastic reading. highly recommended	[01:35]
asciilifeform	i tried at one time to find some info re: 'troat hunting' where a deer is coralled and its screams attract others - mentioned therein	[01:36]
asciilifeform	never found any mention of it elsewhere.	[01:37]
pete_dushenski	i have it right in front of me and i see neither 'troat' nor 'hunting' in the index. hmm	[01:38]
asciilifeform	https://books.google.com/books?id=BqXQUQ4nW4gC&pg=PA487&lpg=PA487&dq=troat+hunting&source=bl&ots=HaKp0SI9MW&sig=GyI_tnyqggTtUj32C3zdmaK7_HI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCEQ6AEwAGoVChMIh--v8ZfzxwIVxB4eCh2LPgr_#v=onepage&q=troat%20hunting&f=false	[01:39]
assbot	A History of Private Life: From Pagan Rome to Byzantium - Paul Veyne - Google Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1K4GbMD )	[01:39]
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pete_dushenski	^ shame that images are missing. the artwork collected therein is really quite lovely	[01:41]
pete_dushenski	"The old Celtic practice today known as chasse au brame, troat-hunting, involved placing a rutting stag in a U-shaped trap of trees and nets; when the stag began to troat, does and other stags would approach and be caught."	[01:43]
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pete_dushenski	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gg3HhnZg5Q << modern day equivalent uses horn of sorts to mimic troating stag	[01:49]
assbot	chasse du cerf au brame 2014 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UM2aSI )	[01:49]
pete_dushenski	;;seen dignork	[01:50]
gribble	dignork was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 3 days, 19 hours, 4 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: Genius - https://github.com/tessalt/echo-chamber-js	[01:50]
pete_dushenski	hm. some lord.	[01:50]
pete_dushenski	;;seen artifexd	[01:51]
gribble	artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 weeks, 3 days, 6 hours, 32 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: I'm comfortable calling it a review. Not just of what it is but what it was and how it got to where it is.	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	ouch. even worse.	[01:51]
pete_dushenski	"Nationwide The building society says its customers can withdraw up to £2,000 per account a day. “However, if they want to withdraw more than £500, it is best to pre-book the amount with the branch to ensure that it has the cash available." << derp/	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/12/big-cash-withdrawals-bank-barclays-denied-access	[02:25]
assbot	Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Don’t bank on being allowed \| Money \| The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kj0bi3 )	[02:25]
pete_dushenski	£500 buys what in england these days, a sweatshirt ? a rental car for the weekend ?	[02:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51800 @ 0.00075183 = 38.9448 BTC [-] {5}	[02:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61000 @ 0.00074875 = 45.6738 BTC [-] {2}	[02:47]
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cazalla	http://venturebeat.com/2015/09/04/ad-blocking-in-apples-ios-9-highlights-rift-over-ads-with-app-publishers/ <<< what's in it for apple to support this? just a measure to get people to buy the next iphone or what	[02:57]
assbot	Ad blocking in Apple's iOS 9 highlights rift over ads with app publishers \| GamesBeat \| Games \| by Dean Takahashi ... ( http://bit.ly/1EV8PD4 )	[02:57]
pete_dushenski	more like another revenue stream for apple.	[03:03]
pete_dushenski	now only 'privileged' advertisers will be allowed	[03:03]
pete_dushenski	like ff 'adblocker' does iirc	[03:03]
pete_dushenski	'adblock plus'	[03:04]
cazalla	at least you have the option to use ublock with ff now.. doesn't apple have it's own ad network though, iads if memory serves	[03:05]
pete_dushenski	for apps, yes. i guess they're moving that philosophy over to safari or w/e	[03:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00074786 = 21.2018 BTC [-] {2}	[03:40]
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punkman	http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/homeopathy-conference-ends-in-chaos-after-delegates-take-hallucinogenic-drug-10491114.html	[04:01]
assbot	Homeopathy conference ends in chaos after delegates take hallucinogenic drug - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7Guig )	[04:01]
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mircea_popescu	cigs were always the cheapest in the soviet empire.	[04:06]
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punkman	http://40.media.tumblr.com/0bf15563ede547037b904012017c52b8/tumblr_nuk57qofmu1ugq5jto1_1280.jpg	[04:12]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1i7HKSn )	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	assbot> Want to make a big cash withdrawal? Don’t bank on being allowed \| << the advantage of the internet. what "bank run" ? sit at the computer and cry like the little bitch that you are.	[04:13]
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punkman	heh http://www.droneinjurieslawyer.com/	[04:28]
assbot	Drone Injuries Lawyer Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7JB9Q )	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	"hello sir i am an injured drone" ?	[04:31]
punkman	not yet, but soon enough	[04:32]
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mircea_popescu	actualy, drones that broadcast the cries of injured children / burn unit victims / rape victims etc would make a pretty decent terrorism application.	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	sorta troat hunting ++	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	the cats would love to drive them around also.	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	Regretfully, all the aspirations of “reformers” of American mathematical education go in the opposite direction. Mastery of algorithms makes students self-sufficient - get away from it, make them dependent on Texas Instruments. Logical proofs develop	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	students’ mental discipline - get away from them also. Traditional word problems allow to determine the right answer - get away from them also.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	What the “reformers” promote, that is open-ended problems, “real-world” problems with clouds of answers, activities instead of problems, create a fuzzy world, ~~~in which students always have to guess the teacher’s mind and can not learn to discriminate between right and wrong by their own means. ~~~	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	aaaand the truth emerges.	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	what the us is producing is slaves, not people.	[04:38]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COvAcV9WgAAnepS.jpg:large that twinkle in his eye	[04:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NwQHCo )	[04:38]
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Naphex	punkman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQOTbv5jTSA homeopathy by one if the biggest med-scammers; enjoy :))	[04:53]
assbot	Water, Wine and Homeopathy - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7MdVd )	[04:53]
Naphex	punkman: this guy scammed ~100mil $ USD from dumb americans and then moved to budapest and went insane :)	[04:53]
Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wx4siPRmd5k	[04:54]
assbot	Sugar Coated Message To Media from Desire Dubounet - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7Mojg )	[04:54]
Naphex	o.O;	[04:54]
Naphex	actually met this guy in Budapest when a friend of mine got sent by his rich mother to help solve his cluster headaches	[04:56]
Naphex	one of the most insane experiences in my life lol	[04:56]
Naphex	he is now selling SCIO 'bio-resonance' machines for ~25k USD around europe	[04:56]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[04:57]
Naphex	hi device obviously cure everything from cancer to aids	[04:57]
Naphex	his*	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	wait. a transvestite scammed a bunch of retarded usians for 100mn ?	[04:58]
Naphex	yep	[04:58]
Naphex	well before he was a tranvestite	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	http://desiredubounet.com/2012/02/03/desire-dubounet-the-pin-up-girl/	[04:59]
Naphex	he is scamming europeans as a tranvestite	[04:59]
Naphex	his lakeys play it like his a insane genius	[05:00]
Naphex	he assumed the life of Bill Nelson (some us senator that worked for nasa) since their name is so similar	[05:01]
punkman	http://www.quantumenergywellness.com/index-7.htm	[05:01]
assbot	Quantum Energy Wellness - How does the SCIO Work? ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NbAG )	[05:01]
Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vJwe8pSN-Q	[05:01]
assbot	Professor Bill Nelson, inventor of the amazing QXCI diagnost - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NdIM )	[05:01]
Naphex	it's pure crazyness. and people still fall for it	[05:03]
Naphex	http://www.badscience.net/2008/08/bill-nelson-wins-the-internet/	[05:03]
assbot	Bill Nelson wins the internet. – Bad Science ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NqvG )	[05:03]
Naphex	this is his 'amazing' device	[05:03]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:03]
Naphex	they still hold seminars and sells and other junk around	[05:04]
Naphex	and bribe doctors to present/have the device or call it interesting	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	o quantum right ?	[05:06]
Naphex	yep..	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	yeah makes sense.	[05:06]
Naphex	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ChyxfWuYAs he tried getting his scam to run in Canada, but got owned by the mainstream press	[05:07]
assbot	Miracle Makers or Money Takers? \| CBC News Marketplace - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i7NMCo )	[05:07]
Naphex	has a 8 story block in budapest that houses everything from the programmers and device developers, to makeshift porn studios	[05:08]
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Naphex	i was trying to explain my retarded rich friends that he was a scammer and gave them resources	[05:09]
Naphex	the responses i got back 'well if you're so smart, why don't you have 100mn"	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	logic.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/xrroid.html	[05:11]
assbot	Some Notes on the Quantum Xrroid (QXCI)	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	Naphex apparently he's been working at it for 25 years. which may explain why he has "100mn" and you don't.	[05:11]
Naphex	yeah	[05:12]
Naphex	but it's pure crazyness you shouldn't even be able to fall for this shit with a IQ higher than 75	[05:12]
Naphex	but it works and people shower him with moneys	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	QX Ltd. has stated that more than 3,000 Xrroid devices have been sold worldwide. The 2002 price for the interface device, software, user manual, and basic training was $13,000.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	this seems a little short of 100mn.	[05:13]
Naphex	sec i'll find the article that referenced the 100mn	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	Records from the U.S. District Court of the District of Columbia indicate that Nelson was indicted for mail fraud in June 1996 and was placed on the fugitive list several months later	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	"Upon studying the software I also found pornographic images embedded in it, for what reason I was unable to determine."	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[05:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30671 @ 0.00075571 = 23.1784 BTC [+]	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	this thing is starting to sound like a bitcoin!	[05:15]
Naphex	http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/how-one-mans-invention-is-part-of-a-growing-worldwide-scam-that-snares-the-desperately-ill/	[05:16]
assbot	How one man’s invention is part of a growing worldwide scam that snares the desperately ill \| The Seattle Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYTZ4E )	[05:16]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: it's a full blown cult, and the programs are extended with training and all other social bullshit that will cost everyone	[05:17]
Naphex	and his recent devices cost some 25k	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	well honestly... i'd much rather a deranged tranny get all the moneys, than a bunch of retards getting to keep it.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	at least he's lulzy. these idiots are just stolidly boring.	[05:18]
Naphex	haha yep	[05:18]
Naphex	they are in a rush also to give him money so..	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	how's he worse than tim cook anyway.	[05:19]
Naphex	well i guess this guys quantum devices get tumors to fall off o.O;	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	http://desiredubounet.com/files/2012/05/Vargas-Pin-Up-Girl-Pic-to-stop-her-they-had-to-slur-her-663x1024.jpg	[05:20]
assbot	Oops, servers overloaded ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYUvjc )	[05:20]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: https://youtu.be/6ChyxfWuYAs?t=813	[05:21]
assbot	Miracle Makers or Money Takers? \| CBC News Marketplace - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYUxaH )	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	http://desiredubounet.com/files/2012/05/Vargas-Pin-Up-Girl-Pic-7-682x1024.jpg << can someone explai nthis one ?	[05:21]
assbot	Oops, servers overloaded ... ( http://bit.ly/1XYUxHO )	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, very respectable boob job.	[05:21]
Naphex	5 sessions and an in-operable tumor just fell off	[05:22]
Naphex	brain tumor*	[05:22]
deedbot-	[Trilema] A bunch of assholes. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-bunch-of-assholes/	[05:22]
Naphex	anyway my whole experence was 3 weeks trying to prove my rich friend and his mother that his aa scammer; this culminated in dinner with him in budapest	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	fell off, hitting the amygdala and bruising the brainstem, causing death.	[05:23]
Naphex	and spending the night in his guest room at his hq	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	so didja get him to invest in a new invention like quantum teledildonics or something ?	[05:23]
cazalla	Naphex, not even worth your time, they want to be scammed - my mother is/was into John Edwards as is an aunty, and they rave about him, went to a live show and all	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	how come it's mostly women	[05:24]
Naphex	nah I passed; too much crazyness; he does pay shitloads of guys insane money for building his scam sites / software and everything else	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	cazalla the ex-senator ?!	[05:25]
cazalla	no, the speaking with dead people one	[05:25]
cazalla	you know, a few years ago i put an advertisement in gumtree (aussie craigslist) for free psychic readings and you would not believe the barrage of phone calls	[05:26]
punkman	cazalla: so why don't you have $100mil yet	[05:26]
Naphex	yeah good question	[05:26]
cazalla	punkman, well it was for a laugh, not to actually scam monies	[05:27]
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mircea_popescu	da fuck is wron with people already.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	i suppose ima retire to this, eventually. "i will guess how much your bike cost!"	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	Oh, TI-92 arrived yesterday. Much larger than I imagined	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	Much larger than I expected. About 1/2 the desk footprint of laptop	[05:30]
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punkman	"According to the 2012 census, the total population was 44,928,923. The under 15 age group represented 44.1% of the population." << tanzania's pretty young eh	[05:41]
phf	asciilifeform: btw i take back 'inria was once useful' << inria is behind caml and presently maintains ocaml, they also do Cog, but i think that's pushing the limit of "useful"	[05:42]
cazalla	i wonder if there is a tanzanian bitcoin embassy	[05:45]
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phf	i know there's some tension between yaron minsky's (of jane street capital) extensions to core library and inria's core, but someone with better knowledge of language can chime if inria is in the wrong	[05:49]
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phf	ben_vulpes: reference material http://michaelgmunz.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/thats-a-paddlin-30027.jpg	[06:15]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1iGfmY4 )	[06:15]
phf	ben_vulpes: also it was 90s russia, lots of people did "revenue numbers are none of your goddamn concern", and it mostly looked like playing lottery. shipping european clothing from turkey, or driving bmw's from germany for resale, all the while hoping that your criminal "roof" was stronger then the neighbor's	[06:18]
phf	unless you come across a genuine opportunity (e.g. your uncle is a general, or your dad was director of a factory/storage/pipeline), imho it was basically like throwing out genuine education for half a million dollars in cash	[06:20]
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phf	i suspect that mp made profit on the decade since he's a bit older then myself, i started at the tail end, and when king yeltsin abdicated that was pretty much the end of it	[06:26]
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mircea_popescu	lol. people were still insisting "it's never gonna end" in 2004.	[06:35]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the moral therein being : it's much better to spend stormy weather in a lake than in an ocean. which is why people figuring on doing the whole "survivalist" schtick in the us are basically retarded.	[06:37]
mircea_popescu	but that aside : 500k in cash is still a better deal than what present day usians get. they still have no education, but -500k in cash to go with it too.	[06:39]
mircea_popescu	and caml was, iirc, 1995.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	i don't really see oo bullshit as anything more than wank, but then again that's me.	[06:41]
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-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[18:42]
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anton_osika	nubbins`: You mean the BTC payout address is enough?	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	hola!	[18:43]
anton_osika	Hola!	[18:43]
nubbins`	anton_osika not my contract so i have NFI. but i don't see anything in there that requires you to take any further action	[18:44]
nubbins`	o hi mp	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272551 << lol	[18:44]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 13:45:56; shinohai: https://hacked.com/mit-triumphs-insecure-university-us-study-reveals/ <<< HUE	[18:44]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: Hey since I read your first draft of the contract between you and me I have learnt a lot.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	cool!	[18:45]
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anton_osika	I still don't see that it explicitly states that antonosika needs a signature for delivery however :)	[18:46]
nubbins`	it doesn't.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	...	[18:47]
anton_osika	Could you let me have this with my freenode auth, if no one else claims to be antonosika, and I will stop pestering you and how is a man of his words?	[18:47]
anton_osika	Would be quite inspirational.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	mnop. cuz i don't want to encourage the world of nubins and anton_osika. i want to encourage the world of wot and signatures.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	the way i see it, it would be inspirational of undesirables.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	this way, it's inspirational of the people i actually like.	[18:48]
nubbins`	lel. maybe you shoulda worded the contract such.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	it IS worded such.	[18:48]
nubbins`	uh huh	[18:48]
trinque	there's no "eth" payout address in the contract	[18:48]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: I see it as encouraging for new users to use WoT without being afraid.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	that's the very point.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	why should they not be affraid ?	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	new uisers should be affraid.	[18:48]
mircea_popescu	that is what "new" means.	[18:48]
anton_osika	Well the power of WoT lies in how large it will scale.	[18:49]
phf	asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: that could easily be the last remaining such machine, the nvidia ball grid plague killed them all, i thought. << have one of those, you can manually switch with some hacks which video card is used at all times, i have it running on integrated, which prevents real 3d from happening, but hopefully extends life	[18:49]
nubbins`	oh look at that, the contract literally does not state how the ETH will be delivered	[18:49]
nubbins`	yep, anton done fucked up	[18:49]
trinque	nubbins`: yeah, just that some guy with a particular gpg key would receive the eth	[18:49]
nubbins`	SFYL	[18:50]
nubbins`	(NSFYL)	[18:50]
nubbins`	specifically, this snipped sealed your fate: "in a manner to be agreed upon thence"	[18:51]
anton_osika	My aim was to settle this with as much of my physical credibility at stake as possible. Which is why Anton Osika is my real username, with everything publicaly available on me (I'm in the phonebook). If ones physical identity can be a backup for WoT then it might strengthen WoT.	[18:51]
nubbins`	since you can't prove you're you, nothing can be agreed upon thence	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	there exists no suych thing as "physical credibility".	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	this is crypto land. cryptographical credibility is required, and it has a unique and very clearly defined underpinning.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	go sign.	[18:52]
anton_osika	nubbins`: Would you say the same thing to someone that Lost his right hand for signing documents and is looking you dead in the face?	[18:53]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: How do you mean clearly defined underpinning?	[18:53]
nubbins`	anton_osika you're asking me if i would reach the same conclusion if the situation were entirely different?	[18:53]
nubbins`	o.O	[18:53]
nubbins`	FWIW, you can still sign documents without hands.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	i mean that without your signature you have no rights and properly speaking don't even exist.	[18:53]
nubbins`	the illiterate used to draw an X. you could do that with your mouth.	[18:54]
nubbins`	there is no cryptographic equivalent of this.	[18:54]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu and fwiw "world of nubbins" is a world in which contracts are entered and people retain their keys	[18:54]
nubbins`	;;ident	[18:54]
gribble	Nick 'nubbins`', with hostmask 'nubbins`!~leel@unaffiliated/nubbins', is identified as user 'nubbins`', with GPG key id CF2950F23C844002, key fingerprint 5015BD3D0AE659C8B8632F31CF2950F23C844002, and bitcoin address None	[18:54]
nubbins`	know what i mean? 8)	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` if there was an address i'd have sent teh eth already.	[18:55]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu nod.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	and so far your only fault is not reading carefully :)	[18:55]
nubbins`	guy does not seem to get this point.	[18:55]
nubbins`	hey, come on, i re-read :D	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	true, true.	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	don';t get the wrong idea, anton_osika : i actually like you.	[18:56]
nubbins`	if i were the sort of jackass who went around losing keys, i'd probably sign some messages preemptively to take care of things in case that happened	[18:56]
nubbins`	but if i'm the sort of person who loses keys, i'm also the sort of person who loses signed statements.	[18:56]
nubbins`	sooooo	[18:56]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: Well my situation is regarding my life savings so it does matter a bit less as of now.	[18:56]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` it's a risky but perhaps useful approach. "All assignables belonging to key X should henceforth be transferred to key X which has full authority to bla bla"	[18:56]
trinque	3btc == live savings?	[18:56]
trinque	*life	[18:57]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu i'm not 100% sure that our contract allows such	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika i would propose you're not experienced enough to crypto to make it the repository of your life savings.	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` iirc, yes.	[18:57]
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anton_osika	Poor students you know.	[18:57]
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nubbins`	"S.MG will not process or administer any assignments of this Warrant by or among third parties. The administration of any such contracts remains the sole responsibility of the respective parties involved."	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	that doesn't sound like it does, nubbins`	[18:58]
nubbins`	tbh i have no idea what second sentence has to do with first	[18:58]
nubbins`	but first seems to explicitly disallow a signed "plz deliver to this key instead" message.	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	the assignment of a negotiable can only be a contract.	[18:59]
trinque	anton_osika: so you're out what, 700 bucks?	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	trinque well no, since the eth was WAY later than what they originally promised, the short lived launch bubble happened right around now.	[18:59]
trinque	yeah but that was the upside back to him, right? he only put in 3btc	[19:00]
anton_osika	more in the equivalent of around 15'000 $	[19:00]
trinque	you didn't lose that; you made sure you never got it	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	i was trying to aim for you know, 3-6 months after release, little did i imagine their "xmas" will be august	[19:00]
mircea_popescu	hehe i dun think that's how he thinks about it.	[19:00]
nubbins`	heh	[19:00]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: I have to say that I do agree with you regarding ETH not being the best of bets though.	[19:00]
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trinque	so my 15000 shares of a failed ruby on rails startup, I lost infinity dollars	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	i think this weird even beats namworld's old weird	[19:01]
nubbins`	!t s.mg	[19:01]
assbot	You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship.	[19:01]
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nubbins`	been so long	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	where i short sold i don't recall what, oh, asicminer	[19:01]
nubbins`	!t m s.mg	[19:01]
assbot	Things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike, and the speaking stones have lain a long time lookin' at the sun.	[19:01]
nubbins`	X(	[19:01]
trinque	I even dropped out of the shitty college to get those shares	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	and made a bundle cause glbse went down	[19:01]
trinque	anton_osika: losing is good for you	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` hasdn't traded in the past month, which is so fucking weird.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	it's actually doing great, revenue et all.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	but hey, "investors" need more circle and whatnot.	[19:02]
nubbins`	heh.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	!up anton_osika	[19:02]
-assbot-	You voiced anton_osika for 30 minutes.	[19:02]
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nubbins`	order book looks condusive to another bitbet hedge	[19:03]
nubbins`	conducive?	[19:03]
nubbins`	christ	[19:03]
nubbins`	i usde to be godo at splelign.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	!b 1	[19:03]
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mircea_popescu	dude check out the historical spam I found! http://trilema.com/2013/but-please-allow-me-to-rub-it-in/	[19:04]
assbot	But please, allow me to rub it in! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb8m0p )	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	22:59:34 {assbot} [BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1496 @ 0.003551 = 5.3123 BTC [-]	[19:05]
anton_osika	I got voice.	[19:06]
nubbins`	ah, "the swede"	[19:06]
anton_osika	I meant to say that I got lucky with how BTC fork worries developed.	[19:06]
nubbins`	i remember that scammor	[19:06]
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mircea_popescu	oh if all the dead losers could speak. oh if the wails of the meanwhile defeated stupid could be heard by the still living	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	oh, oh, oh, history why you cover yourself so.	[19:07]
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anton_osika	Before I continue the venture of my identity tomorrow: Since the contract states my name - what is it that says that it is not enough as long as it is uniquely identifiable beyond all probable doubts?	[19:07]
nubbins`	holy fuck.	[19:08]
nubbins`	it's a gpg contract	[19:08]
nubbins`	your name is irrelevant	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	tyhe contract also states the word "and". maybne that's a name.	[19:08]
anton_osika	nubbins`: What have I been missing regarding GPG contracts then? :)	[19:08]
nubbins`	everything	[19:08]
nubbins`	apparently.	[19:08]
anton_osika	I mean, this is crypto land, but things are built on common sense not some magical crypto laws right?	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoincharts.com/charts/chart.png?width=1222&m=bitstampUSD&SubmitButton=Draw&r=730&i=&c=0&s=&e=&Prev=&Next=&t=S&b=&a1=&m1=10&a2=&m2=25&x=0&i1=&i2=&i3=&i4=&v=1&cv=0&ps=0&l=0&p=0& << for the lulz.	[19:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb8DRe )	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika wrong.	[19:09]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: => BTC fork worries = irrelevant?	[19:09]
nubbins`	things actually are built on "magical" crypto laws.	[19:09]
nubbins`	(magical? do you even compute?)	[19:09]
nubbins`	trivial example, no idea why i'm trying this hard to explain things to you:	[19:10]
nubbins`	suppose the contract didn't say	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#792148 << see also.	[19:10]
assbot	Logged on 12-08-2014 02:19:42; TimSwanson: Because that's how normal debates work	[19:10]
nubbins`	"antonosika"	[19:10]
trinque	anton_osika: you might as well be my buddy pleading with his corrupted LUKS header	[19:10]
nubbins`	but it said "John Smith"	[19:10]
nubbins`	how is anyone to know which john smith? there must be millions.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	"do what i mean" computing.	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	everything else... is magical :D	[19:10]
anton_osika	Well it does luckily not say john smith.	[19:10]
nubbins`	antonosika it's not lucky, no.	[19:11]
nubbins`	because: which anton osika?	[19:11]
nubbins`	i could sire a child tomorrow and name it anton osika.	[19:11]
trinque	the tit-punching kid screams and wonders where mother is to set things right	[19:11]
anton_osika	If it did in an ordinary contract, it would have to include an address (which takes care of the all probable doubt) :)	[19:11]
nubbins`	but it's a gpg contract, and it included a gpg fingerprint	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	up until you refuse to produce an identity document.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	try this sometime, go ask your bank for your money, but refuse to show id.	[19:11]
nubbins`	antonosika so let's say you signed a normal contract, it included your name and your address.	[19:12]
nubbins`	now 1 year later you have a different address.	[19:12]
nubbins`	contract is useless, yes?	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	real people don't move.	[19:12]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: Thats a very valid comparison.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika just, irl, because irl is dedicated to the survival of the least fit, if you lose your id there's a mechanism to get another one.	[19:13]
nubbins`	antonosika i think it's fair to say that you understand 100% that you fucked up and you're just trying to "reason" your way into changing the terms of the original	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	but here, because we are quite specifically dedicated to the non survival of the unfit, there isn't.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	and in the space so freed, we have constructed much safer ids.	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	it's a tradeoff.	[19:13]
cazalla	i think anton_osika actually understands but hopes to wear mircea_popescu down	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` 90% of what commercial disputes are. ask any judge.	[19:14]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu "good faith" &c.	[19:14]
nubbins`	barristers and solicitors built practices on such	[19:14]
cazalla	ah shit nubbins` beat me to it	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	;;google "heavily counseled parties to mega mergers do not breach contracts out of inadvertence or mistake"	[19:15]
gribble	"Willful"—It's Ambiguous - Adams on Contract Drafting: ; here - Adams on Contract Drafting: ; top c o d er. - TopCoder:	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	pfff.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/our-emperor-deliver-us/#selection-43.330-43.450	[19:15]
assbot	Our Emperor, deliver us. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gk9UbM )	[19:15]
nubbins`	antonosika here's another thing: suppose you show us a passport that says "anton osika" on it. how do we know you, today, are the same anton osika from last year?	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	holy shit google. i had it to the word!	[19:15]
nubbins`	it's an impossible argument to win.	[19:15]
anton_osika	nubbins`: Thank you for bringing it up.	[19:16]
nubbins`	anton_osika it's the same thing i've been saying all along, just in reverse.	[19:16]
anton_osika	My case is that there is only one individual calming to be me.	[19:16]
nubbins`	only one individual today, sure.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272572 << aha!	[19:16]
nubbins`	maybe the real anton is on vacation?	[19:16]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 16:54:14; asciilifeform: e to attempting to match the TI-89's level of automation. The fact that Mathematica, Sage, etc. also will not perform these simplifications without a 'hint' makes me feel a little better, but the question remains: How on earth did the TI engineers manage to do this with literally a tiny, tiny fraction of the computing power a desktop has?'	[19:16]
nubbins`	maybe he's on his way to berlin from syria?	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	THAT was it's #1 thing, for they in the know. "omfg dude it doesn't even needs parans)"	[19:16]
anton_osika	My case is that in any contract - such as one with a bank - an identity boils down to what is tru without any probable doubt.	[19:17]
nubbins`	there is 100% probable doubt that you are not the person who signed the contract last year.	[19:17]
nubbins`	because you can't prove it's you by signing something with the key.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	actually the obsolete system standard is "preponderence of evidence". you're thinking criminal proceedings, and it's "reasonable" there.	[19:17]
nubbins`	anton_osika all forms of physical identification can be forged	[19:18]
nubbins`	i could quite literally come back here in three weeks with a USA passport bearing my face and your name.	[19:18]
nubbins`	should mp deliver to me?	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/o-hai-let-me-verify-your-identity/ << with illustrations	[19:19]
nubbins`	would you like for things to work this way? really?	[19:19]
assbot	O hai let me verify your identity! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb9qS8 )	[19:19]
nubbins`	or would you like for contracts signed with your pgp key to only be resolved via that same key?	[19:19]
nubbins`	because if you wouldn't like that, you should probably gtfo	[19:19]
nubbins`	as you are not in the correct place	[19:19]
nubbins`	know what i mean?	[19:20]
anton_osika	Well make some google of my name	[19:20]
nubbins`	no	[19:20]
nubbins`	fuck your name	[19:20]
trinque	http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/#selection-167.19-167.125	[19:20]
assbot	GPG contracts on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb9xgC )	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	;;google "obama bin laden"	[19:20]
nubbins`	you're trying to cross an international border using a high school diploma as photo ID.	[19:20]
gribble	Seymour Hersh accuses Obama of lying on Osama bin Laden raid ...: ; NBC Confirms Obama Lied About Bin Laden Raid \| Zero Hedge: ; Report: Obama lied about bin Laden raid \| TheHill:	[19:20]
nubbins`	nevermind that it doesn't have your photo and it's just a sheet of paper run thru a laser printer anyway.	[19:21]
anton_osika	trinque: Thank you. I mean it.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	http://cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1241 << pretty lulzy article.	[19:21]
assbot	View topic - "Obama Sin Laden" & other stories about Barack Obama • Cluesforum.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkaGp5 )	[19:21]
nubbins`	trinque oh there you go.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	"The implications are obviously enormous here. After going through this thread and being somewhat convinced, I picked a few photos (widely available from a google image search) and did my own (very basic) comparisons."	[19:21]
trinque	anton_osika: the lesson here is worth far more than a student's 600-700 bucks	[19:22]
nubbins`	(very basic)	[19:22]
anton_osika	I'm sorry I did not find it myself - of course MP already explained it before.	[19:22]
anton_osika	http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts	[19:22]
assbot	GPG contracts on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkaNAZ )	[19:22]
nubbins`	anton_osika please understand that none of this is malicious, and at least some people here probably feel bad for you	[19:22]
nubbins`	but there is literally nothing you can do about it without that key. full stop.	[19:23]
trinque	I lost far more than 700 bucks in the stock market at that age	[19:23]
trinque	taught me plenty	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	i feel bad for him cuz unlike an entire horde of twerps, he actually executed.	[19:23]
nubbins`	^	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	trinque i actually won, and it was imo a worse outcome. i nigh on ended up believing in the shit.	[19:23]
nubbins`	heh	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	16yo me was ideologically speaking a sort of buffett.	[19:24]
nubbins`	you guys would vomit if you knew how many btc i wasted on AM and S.DICE	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	iirc i actually made money with s.dice	[19:24]
nubbins`	so did i, for a time 8)	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	but i doubt i played 100 games	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	heck, i made like 5 btc with that "biggest fish" flash game	[19:24]
nubbins`	i made ~10btc off just-dice too	[19:24]
nubbins`	oh look, both obama and bin laden both have incisors	[19:25]
nubbins`	this is conclusive evidence	[19:25]
nubbins`	also, both their sweaty foreheads shine under harsh light	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	the fact that they're actually pretty similar is probably more insulting to the arab than to the american.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	because it means he has some black ancestry over there.	[19:26]
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trinque	anton_osika: supposedly gox "owes me" several btc to this day. and guess what, there's even a "legal system" invovled with that case. what do you think my odds are on receiving the btc back?	[19:28]
mod6	deedbot.org white & black now 'eh	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272608 << ironically, for the exact same reason ancient/inherited swords were valuable. they had already been debugged for faults.	[19:29]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:40:07; nubbins`: it's not uncommon for serious cyclists (touring 100km+, racing, etc) to purchase high quality steel frames that were made 20+ years ago	[19:29]
trinque	mod6: thought I'd make your eyes bleed a little less	[19:29]
anton_osika	trinque: Fairly low.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	somehow this is true if counterintuitive. black on white is better for eyes than white on black.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	it'd seem the lower power the better, but not so. because the tiny white specs are too shiny otherwise.	[19:30]
anton_osika	But I feel that I am no the only one that lost ones identity -little owing to ones own mistakes. And this community has honesty in honouring contracts in Good Faith.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	(ie, if the whole screen is white, the iris adapts and filters it down. if the screen is black, iris can not do that, you end up burning retina)	[19:30]
nubbins`	no it doesn't	[19:30]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu that's a succinct explanation	[19:30]
nubbins`	i've always found black-bg websites a nightmare to read	[19:31]
trinque	yeah, does make sense.	[19:31]
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nubbins`	anton_osika plenty have lost their keys. they all weep together now.	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika really, figure out how to keep a safe key. it's not that hard, and it IS the only actual underpinning of humanity these days.	[19:31]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: That is one lesson learned, from all this agony.	[19:32]
nubbins`	anton_osika i could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that i am who i say i am, and everyone in here would be convinced, but i'm still not executing that SSW without a key	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	no key = 1760 negro. not only no rights, but no human identity at all. st peter doesn't even keep track of yotur sins. you're like the beasts of the plains.	[19:32]
trinque	anton_osika: it's not that much money; you're just young. and mistakes you make in youth that you survive will remind you later never again to be so foolish.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you certainly can't because it being an equity thing, it impacts the patrimony of unknown shareholders.	[19:32]
thestringpuller	i've come to this channel outraged!	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	o hay tsp	[19:33]
trinque	anton_osika: or should I still be drinking over the not-millions I made from that not-company	[19:33]
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trinque	!up anton_osika	[19:33]
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thestringpuller	Started reading some of the slides	[19:33]
thestringpuller	!up anton_osika	[19:33]
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thestringpuller	from the Coindesk conference. wtf	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272615 <<->> http://trilema.com/2015/a-bunch-of-assholes/	[19:33]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:43:07; nubbins`: lots of people pointing to pictures of, e.g., mattresses & trash left behind in train stations, refugees holding "$600 cell phones"	[19:34]
assbot	A bunch of assholes. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LbaBAW )	[19:34]
anton_osika	Thanks for voice.	[19:34]
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trinque	anton_osika: hold onto a key and you might keep it!	[19:35]
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mircea_popescu	lol dork	[19:35]
thestringpuller	http://i.imgur.com/aHn9I46.jpg << from garzik's presentation	[19:35]
anton_osika	I understand those before me who weep - when there is ambigouity in settlements that they would need their non-negro identities with.	[19:35]
cazalla	thestringpuller, is this not from the other conference and not the coindesk one?	[19:36]
nubbins`	are refugees actually welcome to tanzania - africa, tho?	[19:36]
nubbins`	not sure that's the PM and minister of foreign affairs in picture	[19:36]
anton_osika	My case is however that acting in from the perspective of probable doubt is good for the robustness of bitcoin-assets.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` they never found out, did they ?	[19:36]
nubbins`	8)	[19:36]
nubbins`	nope.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	how come!	[19:36]
thestringpuller	cazalla: didn't coindesk put on the consensus conference?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	somehow they had a very clear vector loaded.	[19:36]
nubbins`	because they traded their cell phones for mattresses?	[19:36]
anton_osika	Say we are hit by a 1859 solar EMP or the like.	[19:36]
trinque	o lol	[19:36]
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mircea_popescu	anton_osika selection events are selection events. when the waters go out you see who had been swimming naked.	[19:37]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu well ya know. if i'm on fire, i'm heading for the water, not the gas station	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` oh i see, that's what it is.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	what kind of fire are you on ?	[19:37]
cazalla	thestringpuller, yes they did but i thought the garzik slides are from the scaling bitcoin conference (ran the day after or something)	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	how come they're on the kind of fire that can be put out by welfare checks and tightly packed stupiud white cunts,	[19:37]
anton_osika	So I would say that a payment - if I deliver some sort of verification - would strengthen the credibility of MP. As well as bitcoin-assets as a whole.	[19:37]
thestringpuller	cazalla: ah interesting. i'm still outraged tho!	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	not by unused farmland and cheap labour ?	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	hm ? HM ?	[19:38]
nubbins`	lel.	[19:38]
nubbins`	mugabe gave out farmland; how'd that work out for everyone?	[19:38]
nubbins`	i have a $100Tn bill upstairs that says "not so well"	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika the main intellectual pivot here is the notion that "everyone must make it". this is what informs your "what if there's a solar flare" thing.	[19:38]
thestringpuller	"Stuck at 1M strangles Bitcoin growth and adoption" lol	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	however, this place is predicated on the converse : everyone MUST NOT make it.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	so the solar flare isn't a problem to it.	[19:38]
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thestringpuller	cazalla: Seems all of the BIPers (Gavin Hearn Garzik et. al), talked about this.	[19:39]
anton_osika	In some chain of events however unlikely any of you would lose your PGP identities.	[19:40]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu do you suppose they'd still be holding the sign if tanzania was a first-world country that also happened to carpet bomb syria?	[19:40]
nubbins`	i wonder.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	too counterfactual to guess.	[19:40]
nubbins`	nod	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika yup.	[19:40]
nubbins`	anton_osika fwiw if mp pays out, it would wreck his credibility	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` but the important point remains : there IS SPACE for you here. and you dun wanna go here, you wanna go there. where you most pointedly don't belong, you want to go.	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	the monkey quality.	[19:41]
anton_osika	The meaning of GPG contracts are being defined as we speak, as of those being honoured and those who are not, and I think you might agree that it is a better contract if it can - as any other contract between to individuals - be honoured in good faith aka. when fulfilled beyond reasonable doubt.	[19:41]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu since when is "space" the primary consideration?	[19:42]
nubbins`	there's space in canada's north	[19:42]
nubbins`	but the gov has to pay people to move there.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` not for them, too cold.	[19:42]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: Where is it that I wan't to go you say?	[19:42]
nubbins`	twodogs is too cold for the sudanese who live here	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	here';s some basic logic : when you're fucked, you move among weaker people to recover, if you're worth two shits.	[19:42]
nubbins`	they have jackets tho.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika a) gpg contracts are already defined, cuz that article ; b) we don't agree.	[19:43]
nubbins`	"worth two shits" changes when your country and meat-wot are both rubble	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	the point of this entire thing is to make existence painful and difficult. not to continue the convenience of consumers.	[19:43]
anton_osika	I'm trying to make the system less reliant on one single part of failure, but I see I have failed.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` so you can't take the family and go to tanzania. because why ?	[19:44]
nubbins`	sure i can.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	this is essentially the alf argument. "i can't do anything by myself"	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	if you can't, why'd europe want you ?	[19:44]
nubbins`	lel.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	if you can, why aren';t you going to tanzania!	[19:44]
nubbins`	what's alf gonna do in tanzania?	[19:44]
anton_osika	Arguably I am wrong as well.	[19:44]
nubbins`	milk a cow?	[19:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43645 @ 0.00074363 = 32.4557 BTC [+]	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	yes. milk a fucking cow.	[19:44]
anton_osika	But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.	[19:44]
nubbins`	but he doesn't know how	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	what, these immigrants were born with a cow milking interdiciton ?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	so he learns. does he know how to be european ?	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika better go on a venture to find a way to protect your next one.	[19:45]
nubbins`	afaik being european just means breakfast is weird and coffee is always espresso.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	oic.	[19:45]
nubbins`	0/10 do not want	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	yeah, there's no bacalaureat anymore. and you don't need to know three languages. and so on.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	you can just be your fucktarded tribal shithead self, and will be ok.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	mmmmmmkay.	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	if that;s the idea, go to tanzania, there it'll work to everyone's satisfaction.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	for tanzania, it even is an improvement.	[19:46]
trinque	intellectuals need to be humiliated with manual labor at some point in life	[19:46]
trinque	shovel cow shit; I have	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	wait, the refugees are also intellectuals ?	[19:46]
trinque	was referring to alf in tanzania	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	i doubt it, they'd have emigrated to maryland.	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	oh. iirc he had an episode doing something	[19:47]
nubbins`	no, the syrian intellectuals are hanging out here: http://blogs.reuters.com/david-rohde/files/2013/06/syria-top.jpg	[19:47]
trinque	so they did that to their own home	[19:47]
nubbins`	they stayed 'cause they're intellectual, see	[19:47]
trinque	what are they going to do to anyone else's?	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	that looks like a bomb blast	[19:48]
nubbins`	yep	[19:48]
nubbins`	sure does	[19:48]
nubbins`	but if you've got a smartphone... why leave, right?	[19:48]
trinque	not the point at all	[19:48]
trinque	this presumption that anywhere else must take them comes from what?	[19:48]
nubbins`	your imagination?	[19:49]
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trinque	so you're just saying "why wouldn't they go to germany" ?	[19:49]
trinque	I don't have argument with that, only the idiocy of germany accepting	[19:49]
nubbins`	i'm saying they'd be fucking idiots to (a) stay (b) go to tanzania	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?	[19:49]
nubbins`	trinque germany's the big economic powerhouse, yes?	[19:50]
trinque	if one can, one can	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i don't follow b and a is a ridiculous strawman effort to somehow gang b.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` "germany" in the sense of "not them", not germany in the sense of, "everyone in this perimeter".	[19:50]
nubbins`	sure	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	i hear women live longer, go become a woman to live longer.	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	it's the exact sylogism of germany is a powerhouse i r immigrant there.	[19:50]
anton_osika	Thanks for the chat anyhow gentlemen.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	cheers.	[19:51]
nubbins`	suppose there's 20 people trying to cross a river. 19 of them can't swim, the 20th is an olympic gold medallist and can lift 5x his own body weight, while swimming.	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	ok	[19:51]
cazalla	deedbot-, http://dpaste.com/1AHCQK7.txt	[19:51]
nubbins`	#20 says "we should all carry some of these watermelons across the river with us"	[19:51]
anton_osika	I'm getting a new identity with phunctor...	[19:51]
deedbot-	accepted: 1	[19:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1LbbNnR )	[19:51]
trinque	til deedbot's regex dun mind a comma	[19:51]
nubbins`	that's germany	[19:51]
anton_osika	But I'm not giving up just yet. As the real antonosika wherever he is does deserve his payment...	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` wut ?!	[19:52]
nubbins`	#20 will probably not drown. 1-19 probably will.	[19:52]
nubbins`	wait, watermelons float	[19:52]
nubbins`	make it goats or smth	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	this is such a nutty example...	[19:52]
nubbins`	heh.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	why is #20 making rules for the rest ?	[19:52]
nubbins`	why is germany telling eu to take refugee quotas?	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	cuz eu owes it A SHITTON of money	[19:53]
thestringpuller	whatever happened to that Julia Tourianski chick that was in the channel way back when	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	for all the ipads and cars and shit they "borrowed"	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller ask her!	[19:53]
nubbins`	woo time for a jazz smoke	[19:53]
thestringpuller	;;seen moeity	[19:54]
gribble	I have not seen moeity.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272628 << especially seeing how the 80mn country is made of white people, with very soft connections, and the 1mn is made of middle easteners, with the habit of strong connections.	[19:54]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:46:50; trinque: the idea that a million or more people are going to peacefully integrate with a country of roughly 80 million is questionable	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	the russian mob took over with 1/100 that manpower.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	it'll be grand :D	[19:55]
thestringpuller	;;seen moeity;;seen moiety	[19:55]
gribble	(seen [] ) -- Returns the last time was seen and what was last seen saying. is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. may contain * as a wildcard.	[19:55]
*	trinque popcorns	[19:55]
thestringpuller	;;seen moiety	[19:55]
gribble	moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 47 weeks, 2 days, 11 hours, 5 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: i have to go, it was nice to see yous	[19:55]
thestringpuller	wow i need a new keyboard	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	i am genuinely expecting to see white teens on the open market in the sub-btc range as a result of all this, which is all the better.	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272631 << i bet every extremist cell worth its salt sent everyone it could possibly send.	[19:56]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:18; shinohai: I'll bet Islamic extremists are foaming at the mouth hoping to recruit a few.	[19:56]
trinque	mircea_popescu: as the concept of the WoT sunk in it occurred to me that we have very weak social connections here in american meatspace too	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	ofcourse.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	why do you suppose the mexicans rule texas ?	[19:56]
trinque	for that very reason.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	cuz short corky is better ?	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	no. cuz white idiots are too fucking weird to even look at each other	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	let alone grab ass.	[19:57]
trinque	I am the only guy in this apartment block that makes eye contact and says hello.	[19:57]
trinque	and they smile and then scurry away, heh	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, 500k pakis in the uk over 20 years produced rotterham, 5mn pakis in eu over 20 weeks will produce...	[19:57]
trinque	anton_osika: see that EMP isn't gonna be so bad	[19:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31000 @ 0.00074363 = 23.0525 BTC [+]	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272634 << as far as tsipras & co are concerned, this thing is manna.	[19:58]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:49:58; trinque: europe cannot maintain the political myth that people are equal, fungible, interchangable without accepting these refugees.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272642 << AND GOING TO TANZANIA!	[19:59]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:54:52; nubbins`: refugees escaping an oppressive regime	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	they didn't go to fucking vienna.	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	ken ?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	that's the big thing. the upwards mobile refugee is the prototype of the scumbag.	[19:59]
thestringpuller	this convo reminds me of that old sci-fi show "Alien Nation"	[20:00]
thestringpuller	which recently I realized was a pun	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	the people who immigrated into the us ~back when the us was a shithole~ made it great. the people who immigrated after it was great made it a shithole again.	[20:00]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272649 << absolute 100% pure bullshit. it has NOTHING to do with treatment and everything to do with habit.	[20:01]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:57:55; nubbins`: going apeshit in the streets is generally a direct result of treatment, either by other citizens or government	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	which is why the french strike every week and japanese never did. what treatment ?	[20:02]
thestringpuller	lol. or how black people responded to the Rodney King verdict (or the cops who beat him)	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	"people" don't do anything for any other reason than because "that's what's done".	[20:02]
thestringpuller	rioting doesn't do anything tho except tear down your neighbor's business.	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272650 << mp can relate no such tales. nor can the people that went through the us warcrimes in yugoslavia.	[20:03]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 19:58:20; nubbins`: mp can probably relate tales of .ro folk going apeshit in streets in late 80s, early 90s, and they weren't muslim	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	where the fuck is that picture i had of the FOOTBALL FANS packed quietly and safely 10x in the stadium cca 80s	[20:03]
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thestringpuller	the revolution in Romania during the late 80's didn't involve rioting?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	not in the sense you imagine.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	the secret police broke a dozen display windows down on the main street. that was most of it.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	(then the rebel people guarded the shops)	[20:05]
thestringpuller	I wonder why it's so rampant in AMerican society.	[20:06]
thestringpuller	Black kid gets killed by white cop, people start throwing molotovs at cars and storefronts and shit.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	well at the time the romanians considered they owned the place. ie, the shops.	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	official ideology is "belong to the people"	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272681 << ever finished it ?	[20:07]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 20:25:04; trinque: ah I loved playing lemmings on DOS	[20:07]
thestringpuller	I would assume American who goes to Bob's Burgers everyday for lunch would be less inclined to throw molotov and bricks in Bob's windows during "revolt/riot" but doesn't seem to be case.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	mayhem something was nuts.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	"american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272696 << sounds like an interesting derivation on sokoban	[20:09]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 20:28:52; danielpbarron: level starts with dominoes set up, and you have to move them around so that you can push one and have them all fall over. And there are different types that react different ways	[20:09]
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trinque	mircea_popescu: looked up the levels; I must've stopped at 29, as I recall the water	[20:12]
*	trinque will have to load the thing up in dosbox one day and finally defeat it	[20:12]
thestringpuller	isn't lemmings on everything now	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	it was brutal, the last 20 or 40 or so	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	BRUTAL.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	everything sterel, can' dig. etc.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272742 << feminists say so!	[20:18]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 20:45:19; trinque: because reason is something you fall out of the womb with, not something carved into your haphazard mess of a brain	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272753 << so why should they survive then ?	[20:19]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 20:47:22; cazalla: trinque, i really don't think they'd understand or be able to make a connection between their behaviour and your reaction	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272759 << i've yet to see a kid aged 7 or less to not be fucking PETRIFIED of a half-decent adult male war face.	[20:20]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 20:51:27; cazalla: not at 20 months, maybe 6-7 years of age.. but who knows, maybe i've grown soft having not had a fight or been punched in some time	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	so gimme your war face!	[20:20]
trinque	if they're wired for anything else how not that?	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272772 << it's very funny to me that all sorts of social media derps take total umbrage to my stating things like "your sexual parts are collectively owned by the otyher gender", but then the community-ownership oif the product thereof is fairly uncontroversial. this is best proof if one needs proof that no, people don't do anything because.	[20:22]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 21:04:22; cazalla: goes beyond the parents these days though, kids are seen as owned by the community and all that shit, i expect to meet a lot of opposition and resistance in the years ahead	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	they just do what's dopne and that's all there is to it.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	expecting "the citizenry" to "rebel" and "fix the politics" is not unlike expecting the bearing balls in your busted wheel to rebel and fix your planetary.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	"they live there right!??!?!"	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	"how come all they ever do is break more of their neighbour's shit!"	[20:24]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272786 << you're not really fat if you wear really tight clothes, and you're not reallty stupid if you never cease yakking. it's the new logic!	[20:25]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 21:26:22; trinque: god yes, lets project our weakness as far as possible into space	[20:25]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/fake%20gold%203.jpg << ahaha for reals ?!	[20:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Lb5bGb )	[20:28]
cazalla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273277 <<< i don't care if they do survive or not (beyond my own kid of course)	[20:33]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 23:17:35; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272753 << so why should they survive then ?	[20:33]
cazalla	and i've made the war face and had staring competition with the kid when having a tantrum, he doesn't budge so quickly	[20:37]
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diana_coman	ahahah cazalla gotta try that with mine (almost 3yo) next time	[20:40]
diana_coman	gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone	[20:40]
cazalla	teaspoon of honey goes over well when it comes to foot stamping :P	[20:41]
cazalla	prob hanging myself by reinforcing such behaviour with sweetness though eh	[20:41]
diana_coman	you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :)))	[20:42]
diana_coman	if he likes honey, then I'd say so, yes	[20:42]
trinque	boy did I grow up in a time of cultural transition, lol	[20:42]
cazalla	not whenever nor everytime, just when it gets so bad that i'm about to have a tantrum myself	[20:43]
diana_coman	so war face then, lol	[20:43]
*	trinque got a kick in the ass, and a conversation with a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me	[20:43]
diana_coman	there, trinque has it	[20:43]
trinque	and not as if this was all the time; I didn't like it, you see :P	[20:45]
diana_coman	at one point I got him to another room, told him to call me when he's done with it	[20:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65650 @ 0.00074363 = 48.8193 BTC [+]	[20:45]
trinque	I think it's perfectly normal for the desires of the kid and parent to be completely at odds	[20:46]
trinque	the kid just got here; what does he know?	[20:47]
diana_coman	well, tantrums can have many causes	[20:47]
diana_coman	that's at 1 week, lol	[20:47]
trinque	oh, nothing's going to stop a screaming baby	[20:47]
trinque	that's perfectly healthy too	[20:47]
diana_coman	they know what they see otherwise	[20:47]
diana_coman	and they do nothing else than watch; intently	[20:48]
cazalla	yeah that's interesting eh, my son even copies the way i walk, gets behind me and tries to time the footsteps and all	[20:49]
trinque	that's pretty cool.	[20:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85400 @ 0.00074623 = 63.728 BTC [+] {4}	[20:49]
cazalla	gets the empty toilet paper roll and goes around the skirting boards pretending to vacuum too	[20:50]
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mats	cute	[21:08]
BingoBoingo	Tanzania doesn't seem so bad. Only one in 20 people are HIV positive	[21:10]
BingoBoingo	Behold Qntra's most serious competitor http://dailyhashrate.com/2015/09/13/searching-for-the-truth-in-san-francisco/	[21:23]
assbot	Searching for The Truth in San Francisco ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbxvYp )	[21:23]
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shinohai	https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/	[21:32]
assbot	Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbycAY )	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	you mean you get a teaspoon of honey whenever he has a tantrum ? :))) << ehehehe see, this is why women are stuck with raising kids.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	men just aren't cunny enough.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	(alternate spelling of cunning, if you're wondering)	[21:35]
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mircea_popescu	* trinque [...] a very angry man about why what I did was below what was expected of me << for the record, i don't think very much of this entire "expectations" verbiage/bs. if you think a little about it, so would you. a) what sort of fucking powerless vulnerable schmuck lets himself get into the position of DEPENDING on a kid ? that's what you're saying. don't say that, not only is it not true it's also very stupid.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	and then b) supposing the kid is dumb enough to actually buy it, how the fuck is it going to balance anxiety throughout his life ?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	suppose your wife dies in a car crash next year. which can happen, as it happens thousands of times each year. was it the kid's failurew that did it ? no ? how do you know ?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	how does it know ?	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	maybe that's what happens for doing so much less [in school] than what was EXPECTED of him.	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	mom dies in car crash.	[21:39]
cazalla	please, let it be me lol	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	and who the fuck decided you even GET to have "expectations". and if you do, why can't it ? it expects the government to fix his bed wetting now!	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	anyway. anglos are uniquely bad at child rearing. it's like african engineering, english pedadogy and north korean cuisine.	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	"have a raw corn cobb, what could be better."	[21:41]
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nubbins`	south korean cuisine, on the other hand	[21:43]
nubbins`	altho tbf the north eats kimchi too.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	yea well.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	btw, had some spledid kimchi with my sushi at this local japanese guy's place	[21:43]
nubbins`	i found a jar of kimchi that i made april 11 in the back of the fridge today	[21:43]
trinque	mircea_popescu: hm yeah, even that is euphemistically skirting the issue of "was commanded A, did B"	[21:43]
nubbins`	thinking of a few things to make w/ it	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	trinque imo it's much better to let kids play their little mmorpg of reality. just explain to them how to level, and how to distinguish paladins from necromancers and lower level from high	[21:44]
mircea_popescu	the rest... fuck it, you got your own life to fuck up.	[21:44]
nubbins`	it's divine with grilled pork belly, bean paste & leaf lettuce	[21:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 156500 @ 0.00074478 = 116.5581 BTC [-] {3}	[21:48]
nubbins`	lel	[21:53]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/defending-n-l-seal-products-gift-shop-manager-makes-it-her-mission-1.3221351	[21:53]
assbot	Defending N.L. seal products; gift shop manager makes it her mission - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbzEU1 )	[21:53]
nubbins`	"Most tourists from the United States have no idea they're not permitted to take sealskin products back into their country. When Prince explains the situation, she said they're flabbergasted."	[21:53]
nubbins`	"One lady, she bought a pair of the sealskin sneakers. She said, 'I'm taking my chance. I really want them and I'm going to take my chance.'"	[21:53]
nubbins`	modern smugglers: middle-aged women sneaking sealskin tennis shoes back home in their luggage	[21:55]
mircea_popescu	the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back.	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	it's like, soviet citizen goes to paris, ahs a decent meal, then is like... "ima sneak these steaks back into leningrad"	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	nigga.... why ?!	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika i don't understand what you think pgp sigs have to do with phuctor ?	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	it's what threw me the first time.	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	also, dja know you made trilema ? http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/	[22:03]
assbot	The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ny9YmP )	[22:03]
nubbins`	i came, i saw, i lel'd	[22:05]
nubbins`	i back'd up the backups	[22:05]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273140 << in all his negotiating the impossible, I saw no mention of the obvious (although still unacceptable) alternative to GPG: sign message with the bitcoin address that spent the 3 bitcoin to mp's address	[22:05]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:29; anton_osika: But I will go on in my venture to find a way to verify my identity.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	mebbe he knew it wouldn't fly.	[22:06]
danielpbarron	perhaps it was sent from a "shared wallet" l0l	[22:06]
nubbins`	direct from circle	[22:06]
cazalla	mircea_popescu, phunctor!	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	or that	[22:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 106427 @ 0.00074518 = 79.3073 BTC [+] {2}	[22:08]
nubbins`	man, the final level in this captain toad is a worthy challenge	[22:09]
nubbins`	50 randomly generated boards, with increasingly difficult enemies, two hits and you're dead	[22:09]
cazalla	nubbins`, sounds like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in6RZzdGki8	[22:10]
assbot	Super Mario Brothers - Frustration - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbAZtS )	[22:10]
danielpbarron	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273297 << your tone carries through on irc even. At least it gives me pause when you challenge my Eulora theories	[22:10]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 23:38:34; diana_coman: gotta say though that I can (and did) get him to freeze by using a certain tone	[22:10]
nubbins`	almost worse	[22:10]
trinque	looks like a fun rom	[22:26]
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nubbins`	i'm dying to play the new super mario maker	[22:32]
nubbins`	http://supermariomaker.nintendo.com/	[22:33]
assbot	Super Mario Maker™ for Wii U - Official Site ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbCR5O )	[22:33]
trinque	saw an ad for that just now, actually looks pretty fun	[22:33]
trinque	the new animation style Nintendo's gone with is obnoxious, though	[22:34]
trinque	inflatable mickey mouse	[22:35]
nubbins`	ehh whatcha expect	[22:36]
nubbins`	anyway, you can choose from i think 4 different styles with this one	[22:36]
thestringpuller	can't make this dumb up: "surprise surprise. This was already brought up here about 3 months ago. Unfortunately with the Coinwallet Stress Test the other Altcoin businesses will use the results as a casestudy when they pitch their own blockchain to Fidelity, Citibank ,etc etc."	[22:37]
nubbins`	there's one ad spot where kid is playing and dad says HEY CAN I TRY and then converts level to smb1 skin	[22:37]
trinque	http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/353/b/3/the_star_fox_evolution_by_shadowtoast102-d4jlp9c.jpg << they didn't mess up star fox too bad	[22:38]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1iHWMyL )	[22:38]
nubbins`	they beat their franchises to death	[22:39]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273142 << this is not why.	[22:39]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:34; nubbins`: but he doesn't know how	[22:39]
nubbins`	but... the gameplay's usually there, so they get a pass	[22:39]
nubbins`	you mean you wouldn't move to tanzania if you could milk a cow?	[22:40]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273136 << the implication, unless i am mistaken, is that i ought to go to tanzania, mongolia, wherever, to avoid being shot in the head. but what do i need not-being-shot-in-the-head for, in tanzania ?	[22:40]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 22:42:17; nubbins`: what's alf gonna do in tanzania?	[22:40]
asciilifeform	i only need it if i have my workstation and roquefort.	[22:40]
asciilifeform	know what the english said ?	[22:41]
asciilifeform	'if you fall overboard, have the decency to drown like a gentleman.'	[22:41]
nubbins`	implication is that while you're a smart guy, you rely on other things to make your smartness useful	[22:41]
asciilifeform	no.	[22:41]
asciilifeform	the implication is that man does not live by bread alone (tm)	[22:41]
nubbins`	in the narrow context of your current employment, i should qualify	[22:42]
asciilifeform	actually i'd prefer ~no~ employment and just a dirigible full of money.	[22:42]
asciilifeform	but that's beside the point.	[22:42]
nubbins`	money's heavier than air	[22:42]
nubbins`	is this an ethereum joke?	[22:42]
trinque	lol	[22:42]
asciilifeform	it's a sleep-ad-libitum joke	[22:42]
asciilifeform	but what i was trying to explain is that i don't get this bizarre preoccupation with survival.	[22:43]
trinque	how can one value anything else if not that?	[22:43]
asciilifeform	easily.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	ask the japanese	[22:43]
asciilifeform	or just about any traditional culture	[22:43]
trinque	magical thinking	[22:43]
nubbins`	oh ho	[22:43]
trinque	my capacity to value things ends at death	[22:43]
thestringpuller	trinque: star fox is a lot like link. doesn't really change. (i'm under the notion windwaker was a throwback)	[22:43]
nubbins`	no heroes in trinque's family	[22:43]
trinque	plenty actually, and they survived	[22:43]
trinque	great granddaddy got the silver star	[22:44]
asciilifeform	it isn't about heroes either	[22:44]
asciilifeform	it is about wanting to live as man, not pig, and not needing pig-life for anything.	[22:44]
thestringpuller	damn. now I want to play starfox	[22:44]
cazalla	thestringpuller, link has changed tremendously, he's a girl now	[22:44]
trinque	^	[22:44]
nubbins`	so you find yourself in the mud and what, lie down?	[22:44]
thestringpuller	Link is a girl now?	[22:44]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: not the point	[22:45]
*	trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger	[22:45]
trinque	one of my favorite RPGs	[22:45]
asciilifeform	the point is that i will not go to the mud voluntarily.	[22:45]
nubbins`	syrians didn't either	[22:45]
cazalla	thestringpuller, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpyRtM3IgAAwYMY.jpg pretty much	[22:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1iHXtYR )	[22:45]
nubbins`	mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else	[22:46]
nubbins`	or at least that's the outer layer of it, i can't be fucked to peel all of his onions for him	[22:46]
thestringpuller	lol cazalla back to the cel shading	[22:46]
thestringpuller	cazalla: we never did get ot battle pokemons	[22:46]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5Izm1LQfw4	[22:47]
assbot	Pikachu on Acid - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHXBYx )	[22:47]
cazalla	thestringpuller, have not played recently so won't be any time soon	[22:47]
nubbins`	^ this is maybe the second-most accurate depiction of LSD i've seen in video format	[22:47]
*	thestringpuller cries	[22:47]
nubbins`	#1 goes to mad men	[22:47]
nubbins`	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpWlKCfSPcU	[22:47]
assbot	Mad Men: LSD Scene [HD] 720p - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbE3Gs )	[22:47]
nubbins`	combine those two videos somehow and you're close to the real thing	[22:48]
trinque	nubbins`: ah the way the colors shift, got that on the last trip	[22:49]
thestringpuller	"Well Dr. Leary I find your product boring." << megalulz	[22:49]
nubbins`	heh	[22:49]
nubbins`	it gets better.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273175 << this is not hard. mine fields, flame thrower tanks, etc. some countries selectively refuse to enforce them, yes. but not because the tech does not exist.	[22:49]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 22:47:27; mircea_popescu: trinque well, i see merit in it. the presumption you can enforce borders comes from what ?	[22:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273266 << this concept is absolutely key.	[22:51]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 23:06:04; mircea_popescu: "american" is not a thing, to begin with. he just lives there.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	'nobody dies for his hotel room' (tm)	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	mp's argument is hey if you're refugeeing, tanzania is just as good as anywhere else << no. my argument is that if you're refugeeing, where you go to refugee discriminates you. if you go to the eu, you're a scumbag. if you go to tanzania, you're somebody.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	because YOU know if you are or you aren't worth shit, and YOU act accordingly.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: recall the euro jews who refused, collectively, to go to south america ?	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	and they got shot for it, as they should have been ?	[22:53]
asciilifeform	same basic dynamic, aha	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	i would hope they did.	[22:53]
mircea_popescu	because seriously, nobody needs them nobody wants them and they shouldn't even be here in the first place.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	!s ms st louis	[22:54]
assbot	0 results for 'ms st louis' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=ms+st+louis	[22:54]
asciilifeform	;;google ms st louis	[22:54]
gribble	MS St. Louis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Voyage of the St. Louis - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum: ; The Tragedy of S.S. St. Louis \| Jewish Virtual Library:	[22:54]
thestringpuller	for some reason this reminds me of kowloon walled city	[22:54]
cazalla	https://i.imgur.com/yfCqpvw.jpg	[22:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QbELDF )	[22:55]
trinque	the last one got more shares	[22:55]
trinque	success	[22:55]
asciilifeform	wat	[22:55]
nubbins`	total shoop	[22:56]
trinque	doesn't matter still lolled	[22:57]
nubbins`	well, we can't take that away from you	[22:58]
danielpbarron	trinque mentally hops sideways to Chrono Trigger << I got the official snes cartridge. I understand it's one of the more popular games from that era, but personal fav was "Secret of Mana"	[22:59]
nubbins`	never owned a snes	[22:59]
danielpbarron	mine still works. I sometimes use it to play competative smb3 via All-Stars	[23:00]
trinque	danielpbarron: also good; both were Square games iirc	[23:00]
nubbins`	i went nes-genesis-psx-xbox-wii-wiiu	[23:00]
nubbins`	with various handhelds scattered throughout	[23:00]
*	trinque spend some time last night writing notes on a WoT+deedbot web of CLOS displayed by CLIM	[23:01]
trinque	maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez	[23:01]
trinque	be they ROMs or books	[23:02]
trinque	*spent	[23:02]
cazalla	danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkK4wWZ2hYo	[23:03]
assbot	The Wizard - I love the Power Glove... it's so bad (Full Scene) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1iHZoww )	[23:03]
trinque	I think the point about data vs code is key, that I might be willing to encounter someone else's data without a WoT relationship, but I'll be damned if I want to run their code	[23:03]
nubbins`	heh	[23:03]
thestringpuller	trinque: i'd listen to their music tho	[23:03]
trinque	I'd rather have the index of the right man's bookshelf than access to every landfill on earth for free	[23:04]
nubbins`	you'd listen to their mixtape?	[23:05]
thestringpuller	studio album	[23:05]
thestringpuller	mix tapes are for the A&R people	[23:05]
thestringpuller	unless you're drake	[23:05]
thestringpuller	the one good thing from canada	[23:05]
nubbins`	http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Drop+it+like+it+s+hot+arrogant_4efbdc_5457940.jpg	[23:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1QbFJzz )	[23:05]
trinque	looool	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	maybe 75% because I want in-WoT warez << win.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	amusingly enough, in-wot you can;'t even define "warez".	[23:06]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: You ever play Secret of Evermore? That cartridge is worth quite a bit these days iirc.	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	much like "IP" had little meaning in the minstrel era.	[23:07]
danielpbarron	cazalla> danielpbarron, what's competitive smb3? << the game can be played "2 player" and each player has a separate score. You get the most points from time left over on the counter, so it's not usually a good idea to go back for coins.	[23:07]
trinque	mircea_popescu: very true	[23:07]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1273291 << these have been turning up since at least 2008	[23:07]
assbot	Logged on 13-09-2015 23:25:55; mircea_popescu: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/09/fake%20gold%203.jpg << ahaha for reals ?!	[23:07]
asciilifeform	i thought it was well-known.	[23:07]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: That cartridge being Chrono Trigger.	[23:07]
danielpbarron	thestringpuller, yes I am familiar with that one (my cousins had it) but unfortunately I never got it	[23:07]
asciilifeform	notably, the tungsten-cored bars are ~trivial~ to detect, and their very existence is predicated on ~nobody wanting to detect~. this was discussed here iirc.	[23:07]
danielpbarron	yes it was worth about 100 USD last i checked (10 years ago)	[23:07]
thestringpuller	I didn't get to play Chrono Trigger till the PSX era when they rereleased it. It's a great game. Just so many different endings.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	10 oz bar is not really storage grade toh.	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	seems more like consumer fraud	[23:08]
nubbins`	the real lulz are when the good delivery bars are drilled out	[23:08]
nubbins`	meantime, why so much leeway in weight for GD?	[23:08]
nubbins`	between 350 and 430 tr.oz, srsly?	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	tbh, the gold delivery process is not large enough. the only way to do it currently is to send delegates to observe assays. takes 7-10 days.	[23:09]
nubbins`	i'll take 430s, please	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	gavin should write a GIP to improve gold transfer blockspace.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	if all the gold in the world changed hands right now it would take ~12 years to clear it all.	[23:09]
thestringpuller	danielpbarron: i think the cart alone goes for 120-140ish now. Full gets up (box et. al) is probably double that maybe 300-400 range.	[23:09]
asciilifeform	iirc we did this here... can build machine that gives GUARANTEED tungsten-or-not, for 100 usd.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	but no one will every buy it.	[23:10]
cazalla	danielpbarron, i hate 2 player mode - always used to ensure console time is evenly shared amongst brothers :	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform we're discussing the things that are, not the things that could be.	[23:10]
nubbins`	too scary to actually look in the crystal ball	[23:10]
danielpbarron	thestringpuller, i also have the manual, but not the box (i bought the manual separately from the cart	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	the gold blockchain, as is, has ~10kbps bw.	[23:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: things-that-are involve either melt-and-assay or that $50k ultrasound box	[23:10]
nubbins`	but those sidechain tx's!	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	melt and assay.	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	(random pick, but stll)	[23:11]
asciilifeform	(iirc the ultrasound thing is used for spot-checks)	[23:11]
danielpbarron	cazalla, it's only evenly shared if you are evenly matched in battle mode (the thing that happens if you catch the player lingering on your square)	[23:11]
nubbins`	danielpbarron +1	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	there's also a heat diffusion pattern method	[23:11]
danielpbarron	people get so pissy when I catch them into a battle and take their turn	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	(very similar to the nazi watering to look for buried stuff thing)	[23:11]
nubbins`	you can play the whole 2p game yourself if you're good in battle mode	[23:12]
danielpbarron	eh not really	[23:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: aha. this is btw the only reliable test for diamond.	[23:12]
trinque	asciilifeform: is there something respectable to look at in the CL world in regards to RPC?	[23:12]
danielpbarron	if you're reaaaly good, you plan your levels out so as to not get stuck in battles at all	[23:12]
asciilifeform	commercially available, and, unlike the gold thing, costs pennies	[23:12]
asciilifeform	trinque: rpc ?	[23:12]
nubbins`	what ever became of all that perfect synthetic diamond hype?	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah cause diamond isnt as conductive	[23:12]
trinque	asciilifeform: that guy has a function I wanna get the result of via a socket	[23:12]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: sop. can go, buy now	[23:12]
*	assbot gives voice to gernika	[23:13]
nubbins`	fun	[23:13]
asciilifeform	trinque: why the fuck do you need a library for this	[23:13]
nubbins`	they're still forever tho, right?	[23:13]
trinque	wondering if there was some elegant way of doing this in the civilized era	[23:13]
trinque	who said library...	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	forever -1 nubbins`	[23:13]
nubbins`	heh	[23:13]
asciilifeform	trinque: it's an extra line of code, write it yourself	[23:13]
trinque	fine answer; I've developed the habit of at least trying to look for prior art before reinventing something	[23:13]
asciilifeform	trinque: the very fact of having asked the question is indicative of needing detox from years of using shitlangs	[23:14]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273326 << a year ago, and 100% factual, but go and try speaking of this to non-#b-a folks, aha.	[23:15]
assbot	Logged on 14-09-2015 00:30:34; shinohai: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/	[23:15]
asciilifeform	'From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used watered-dow	[23:15]
asciilifeform	n encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption)....'	[23:15]
trinque	asciilifeform: seems to me the right way is simply to barf sexps that look like function calls over the wire	[23:16]
asciilifeform	trinque: you can make them look like whatever, and it'll still be one line.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	this preoccupation with format is a disease of the non-cl world, aha	[23:16]
asciilifeform	where it takes actual fucking work to transform one to another	[23:16]
nubbins`	"Assays of GD bars are determined by the refiner at the point of manufacture. An assay is likely only to be checked again when a bar is used as raw material in a refinery, for example, for the manufacture of small bars or in a plant manufacturing products like jewellery."	[23:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85300 @ 0.00075275 = 64.2096 BTC [+] {6}	[23:17]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: phun phakt: tungsten bars have 100% genuine assay marks.	[23:17]
nubbins`	8)	[23:17]
trinque	asciilifeform: better question might be whether there are existing hypertext system implementations from that era	[23:17]
trinque	had a thread with gabriel_laddel recently on whether hypertext was even valuable; I hold that it is	[23:18]
deedbot-	[Trilema] What is a fractal ? - http://trilema.com/2015/what-is-a-fractal/	[23:18]
trinque	node over there has data; I want to view it with presentations over here	[23:18]
asciilifeform	trinque: there is the symbolics one	[23:18]
trinque	this was HTML or something else?	[23:18]
asciilifeform	trinque: entirely else.	[23:18]
trinque	obviously I'm searching for the latter	[23:18]
trinque	"document examiner" << ??	[23:19]
asciilifeform	aha	[23:19]
trinque	ty	[23:19]
asciilifeform	'concordia' also.	[23:19]
asciilifeform	('examiner' was a viewer-only thing)	[23:19]
asciilifeform	concordia even typeset books (including the manuals, which i have here on my shelf)	[23:20]
asciilifeform	trinque: https://vimeo.com/83886950	[23:20]
assbot	Symbolics Document Examiner and Concordia on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1QbH2yI )	[23:21]
nubbins`	i did some typesetting with LaTeX in uni, the math dept required it	[23:22]
asciilifeform	i used and still use latex.	[23:23]
asciilifeform	for all sorts of things.	[23:23]
nubbins`	great for equations	[23:23]
asciilifeform	except not so great for anything which ~didn't start life intended for latexing~	[23:23]
nubbins`	heh	[23:23]
asciilifeform	this is the difference between the typesetter component in 'concordia' and latex	[23:23]
trinque	seems entirely clear to me that a better web would be nothing more than something like a CLIM listener here, and a network of data sources out there	[23:23]
asciilifeform	can take ~whatever~ on the machine and have it sanely typeset.	[23:24]
asciilifeform	trinque: precisely how a better horse is this box with four legs, reins, motor, aha ?	[23:24]
trinque	and maybe the data source proposes to me that my system fetch some new presentations it needs, but that the act of browing around does not at all involve running someone else's code	[23:24]
trinque	asciilifeform: we all use the web all day; I'd have to be persuaded that it's useless	[23:25]
asciilifeform	the preoccupation with 'i will read your data but not run your code' is voodoo.	[23:25]
nubbins`	keep going and you'll reinvent MIME types	[23:25]
asciilifeform	the physical difference is imaginary	[23:25]
asciilifeform	!s what colour are your bits	[23:25]
assbot	6 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits	[23:25]
trinque	nubbins`: mime types are a shitty implementation of something that came before it	[23:26]
nubbins`	s/mime types/everything	[23:26]
trinque	too real	[23:26]
nubbins`	sry	[23:26]
*	contrapumpkin has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…)	[23:26]
nubbins`	you think that's too real, don't ask me about cellular automata	[23:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108200 @ 0.00074492 = 80.6003 BTC [-] {4}	[23:27]
trinque	asciilifeform: if there could be hard constraints on what someone else's code could do on my computer, I'd be far more willing	[23:27]
asciilifeform	trinque: it isn't really a computer until this is so.	[23:27]
trinque	as it stands I'd like to go back to an addressing system for flat text with the option of involving more code as I see fit	[23:27]
trinque	asciilifeform: there we have no disagreement	[23:28]
gernika	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271600 asciilifeform is there a book you can recommend that approximates this, or at least traces a few important branches?	[23:30]
assbot	Logged on 12-09-2015 20:29:47; mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.	[23:30]
trinque	exactly what I meant about the right man's library index	[23:30]
*	trinque departs for a bit	[23:30]
asciilifeform	gernika: i cannot answer this because it is not clear to me what is being asked for.	[23:31]
nubbins`	came across my uni transcripts recently: yipes.	[23:31]
nubbins`	i have no business holding a degree	[23:31]
nubbins`	but... the only way they can take it away from me is by rendering it useless throu... waitaminute	[23:32]
*	nubbins` wanders off to think	[23:32]
gernika	asciilifeform a book that connects pythagoras to newton, with proofs for all the nodes in between?	[23:33]
asciilifeform	gernika: sure. this is a book, except that it is made of 1,001 others and they take up three bookcases.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	i sorta have one here.	[23:33]
gernika	I feared as much.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	but it wouldn't do you any good. there is not a standardized one that works on everybody.	[23:33]
asciilifeform	if you want a pocket-sized 'tour guide', try 'Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning' (A. D. Aleksandrov, A. N. Kolmogorov, et al)	[23:35]
gernika	ok. thanks.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	readily and cheaply available in english	[23:35]
asciilifeform	paperback.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	problem is, most folks asking for this kind of thing, have vastly overoptimistic idea of what can be expected from a single book and a reasonable amount of study.	[23:37]
*	gabriel_laddel (~user@unaffiliated/gabriel-laddel/x-9909917) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:37]
trinque	;;google ext:pdf Mathematics: Its Content, Methods and Meaning	[23:37]
gribble	Mathematics: its content, methods, and meaning - New Mexico ...: ; algorithms in modern mathematics and computer science: ; Mathematics Reference Books: (1 more message)	[23:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100032 @ 0.00075046 = 75.07 BTC [+] {5}	[23:42]
*	gernika aims lower. would be satisfied to be able to reconstruct algebra on death bed.	[23:44]
*	nubbins` has quit (Quit: Quit)	[23:49]
*	contrapumpkin (~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:50]
gernika	khan academy's knowledge map approximates what I seek but is tragically composed of video nodes, rather than book titles and page numbers: http://www.semko.nl/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/khan-map-half-complete.jpg	[23:54]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NqRQd6 )	[23:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00074203 = 32.3525 BTC [-]	[23:55]

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