Forum logs for 13 Nov 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35841 @ 0.000507 = 18.1714 BTC [-] | [00:22] |
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Atomic-Closed | How does one get ahold of their asset issuer to avoid filing a suit? | [00:24] |
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BTC-Mining | What do you mean exactly? | [00:27] |
Atomic-Closed | I mean I have been trying to contact the issuer of an asset listed on GLBSE for over a month and have been ignored | [00:31] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: what would you even sue for? | [00:31] |
Atomic-Closed | I have the address of the mining operation and am ready to file suit for unpayed dividends | [00:31] |
smickles | i mean, it's not like you can prove you were owed dividends, is it? | [00:31] |
BTC-Mining | Which asset? | [00:32] |
Atomic-Closed | Bitbond | [00:32] |
BTC-Mining | Ah. | [00:32] |
BTC-Mining | I also issued a mining op on GLBSE. | [00:33] |
smickles | Is the situation different for bitbond? | [00:33] |
smickles | 'cause the rest of us can't prove how many (if any) shares we had | [00:33] |
BTC-Mining | I just don't see how you can pay anyone claiming to be owed anything without a proof. Claims will be much higher than what's owed. | [00:34] |
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Atomic-Closed | Considering that the dividends are to be payed on a set scheduled, and statements have been made to how they will be held until the GLBSE crap is over without the input of the shareholders | [00:34] |
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BTC-Mining | But the issuer don't even know who is or is not a shareholder. Taking input wouldn't even be feasible. | [00:35] |
Atomic-Closed | still dosent mean I cant sue | [00:35] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: well, you can sue, but I could also sue my cat | [00:35] |
jurov | if you so want to sue, sue nefario. for undue delays | [00:35] |
BTC-Mining | If you don't have a proof/document that anything is owed... | [00:35] |
Atomic-Closed | Im considering posting hte address of the mining farm on the forum to atleaszt get a response from the op | [00:36] |
Atomic-Closed | thats by biggest issue is the non-communication | [00:36] |
smickles | non-communication of no new news? | [00:36] |
Atomic-Closed | I have the logs of the presale and post sale conversations | [00:36] |
jurov | they will say "we're waiting for nefario". what do you do then? | [00:36] |
Buglouse | smickles: You're cat would win, according to you, you are its _owner_; slaves are not able to appropriate contrancts? | [00:37] |
BTC-Mining | I can talk to Bitbond's issuer... had no problem with that. | [00:37] |
Buglouse | smickles: err, you would be suing yourself | [00:37] |
smickles | in all seriousness, all glbse assets should be considered lost untill nefario releases the data in provable way | [00:37] |
BTC-Mining | He probably didn't answer on account of you demanding to be paid? | [00:38] |
smickles | yeah, demanding to be paid at this point is unreasonable | [00:38] |
Atomic-Closed | So should that mean that all anonymity is null and void too? | [00:38] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: what are you expecting here? the issue can't do anything because nefario fucked them | [00:38] |
BTC-Mining | It means that with anonymity, with the exchange closing, who is owed what got lost. | [00:39] |
Atomic-Closed | The issuer knows that i own shares | [00:39] |
smickles | and because nefario fucked the issuer, he fucked you too by proxy | [00:39] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: but without proof it would be wrong to pay you and not the others | [00:39] |
Atomic-Closed | I was told my that investment was safe by the issuer | [00:39] |
BTC-Mining | Imagine you're bitbond. There's people claiming to be owed X and you can't verify. You pay them. Then info is released and you realise many who claimed weren't owed anything at all to start with... | [00:39] |
smickles | I know I own X shares of s2cm, but i can't pay even myself dividends | [00:40] |
BTC-Mining | hmm... but were the shares on GLBSE? | [00:40] |
Atomic-Closed | they were sold pre-ipo | [00:40] |
JWU_42 | hmm - that is a bit different | [00:40] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: did you ever have the ability to sell them? | [00:40] |
JWU_42 | but doesn't mean you still hold them | [00:40] |
BTC-Mining | aye, but were they transfered on GLBSE or held outside of GLBSE? | [00:41] |
smickles | if you ever had the ability to sell them, and don't have proof that you didn't sell them, then you are in the same position | [00:41] |
smickles | it's really tough to prove a negative statement | [00:41] |
JWU_42 | I am in that boat with YABMC - would love to shut it down but can't at this point | [00:41] |
JWU_42 | need Nef to step up and do what he said | [00:41] |
Atomic-Closed | Im thinking that I just need to post the information then. ITs the lack of response here that is killing me | [00:42] |
smickles | I know how many shares I had, I likely know how many shares Azelphur has, and I likely know the minimum # of shares imsaguy has. but I can't pay dividends to any of us b/c we have no proof | [00:43] |
JWU_42 | Atomic-Closed: you own bitbond ? | [00:43] |
Atomic-Closed | I own shares of it | [00:43] |
JWU_42 | that is amazingrando, right ? | [00:43] |
Azelphur | indeed :/ | [00:43] |
Atomic-Closed | yes it is | [00:43] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: I think you're likely just creating usless drama | [00:43] |
JWU_42 | what are you wanting him to do exactly ? | [00:43] |
Atomic-Closed | He stated he had a plan if nef didnt do as promised | [00:44] |
Atomic-Closed | i want it exicuted | [00:44] |
JWU_42 | ahh | [00:44] |
smickles | oh? | [00:44] |
JWU_42 | didn't read that | [00:44] |
smickles | damn, that was stupid of him | [00:44] |
smickles | what was the plan? | [00:44] |
Atomic-Closed | that I dont know | [00:44] |
smickles | well, that op was in seatle, right? | [00:45] |
Atomic-Closed | Tacomma | [00:45] |
smickles | oh yeah | [00:45] |
Atomic-Closed | shared facility with Gigavps | [00:45] |
smickles | and shakaru set it up | [00:45] |
Atomic-Closed | yes | [00:45] |
smickles | lol | [00:45] |
mircea_popescu | Atomic-Closed now this is interesting | [00:45] |
smickles | ;;getrating shakaru-otc | [00:46] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User shakaru-otc, rated since Tue Dec 20 18:32:21 2011. Cumulative rating -3, from 6 total ratings. Received ratings: 3 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=shakaru-otc | [00:46] |
smickles | "owes community over 20000 usd" | [00:46] |
mircea_popescu | bitbond was owned/operated by amazingrando. | [00:47] |
JWU_42 | I was not aware shakaru had anything to do with their Washington facility | [00:47] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: yeah, but he let shakaru set up the farm after he welched on a massive debt | [00:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9822 @ 0.0005061 = 4.9709 BTC [-] | [00:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10678 @ 0.000506 = 5.4031 BTC [-] | [00:48] |
Atomic-Closed | I heard that his payement went to the repayment fund | [00:48] |
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mircea_popescu | i had no idea shakaru had anything to do with it either. | [00:48] |
Atomic-Closed | And is all fairness, I am being a bit harsh, but if nef runs, are we all just SOL? | [00:48] |
smickles | JWU_42: shakaru told me himself, and sent me pics of it while he was still saying he'd pay me ~600 btc that he owed (still owed) me | [00:48] |
smickles | *still owes | [00:49] |
JWU_42 | hmm | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | i wouldn't take his word for anything. | [00:49] |
smickles | Atomic-Closed: yes | [00:49] |
mircea_popescu | ;;getrating amazingrando | [00:49] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User amazingrando, rated since Sun Jan 8 01:29:35 2012. Cumulative rating 46, from 15 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 11 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=amazingrando | [00:49] |
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mircea_popescu | dude nobody is left ffs. | [00:50] |
mircea_popescu | i am the fucking dean of age of btc finance. this is sad, i've barely been here a year. | [00:50] |
kakobrekla | :DD | [00:51] |
JWU_42 | pump and dump | [00:51] |
JWU_42 | ;) | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | this situation needs to seriously improve. | [00:52] |
Atomic-Closed | I agree | [00:53] |
mircea_popescu | anyway. so you had the investment pre-ipo and were allocated glbse shares after ipo ? | [00:53] |
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Atomic-Closed | It was pre the second ipo. Or when the shares were aded | [00:55] |
Atomic-Closed | added* | [00:55] |
Atomic-Closed | at this point its hard to even know with no access to glbse | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. well... | [00:55] |
mircea_popescu | i can see the guy's position. how can he know you didn't sell the shares on glbse | [00:55] |
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Atomic-Closed | I guess your right | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | not much he can do. picked the wrong exchange, everyone's fucked. | [00:57] |
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thestringpuller | How do you know the writing contest won't be a political campaign | [01:02] |
Atomic-Closed | well thank you all for your input | [01:03] |
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mircea_popescu | thestringpuller huh ? | [01:03] |
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thestringpuller | people campaigning to be the best story | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | why would i care ? | [01:04] |
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thestringpuller | lol | [01:05] |
thestringpuller | competition eh? | [01:05] |
mod6 | sure! | [01:05] |
mod6 | XD | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | you got the writing bug mod6 ? | [01:05] |
mod6 | I read the post for sure - I think its a really interesting/worthwhile idea to get some well-thought out discussion on the matter. | [01:06] |
mod6 | I thought about writing something -- but I better just stick to getting BitOTTer finished | [01:08] |
mod6 | :) | [01:08] |
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mod6 | maybe i'll get a chance to write something though, we'll see. I just got this new lappy working - its /way/ faster for running the android emulator | [01:08] |
mod6 | 4 cores instead of 2 = zooooooom | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | hehe prolly right. | [01:10] |
mircea_popescu | should give the people who didn't learn math in school a chance too | [01:10] |
mod6 | ahh! a two-fer! :D | [01:10] |
mod6 | you've had a bunch of good posts in english on trilema, so thx for that | [01:12] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: is a bully | [01:12] |
mircea_popescu | haha ty. | [01:12] |
thestringpuller | i bet you believe all children should have bullies :P | [01:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46922 @ 0.000506 = 23.7425 BTC [-] | [01:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8478 @ 0.00050582 = 4.2883 BTC [-] | [01:13] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [01:14] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 11.08980, Best ask: 11.09000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00020, Last trade: 11.08980, 24 hour volume: 38835.80047192, 24 hour low: 10.76666, 24 hour high: 11.18000, 24 hour vwap: 10.99078 | [01:14] |
mod6 | wow, it hit 11.18 | [01:15] |
mircea_popescu | mhm | [01:16] |
mod6 | !ticker S.MPOE | [01:18] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1day: 0.0005025 / 0.0005072 / 0.00051161 (1691707 shares, 858.04 BTC), 30day: 0.0004035 / 0.00045616 / 0.00051161 (67514063 shares, 30,797.82 BTC) | [01:18] |
jurov | mircea, is there any difference in exercising MKOPT and SPLIT-issued option for the issuer? | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [01:18] |
jurov | so both are allocated as appropriate part of total exercises? | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | both create the same, indistinguishable instrument. | [01:19] |
mod6 | how's coinbr going jurov? | [01:19] |
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jurov | welcome. seems you were on the wrong side of the split :P | [01:29] |
mircea_popescu | haha ty! welcome to you all back into my world! | [01:30] |
kakobrekla | http://www.pieterhugo.com/ | [01:31] |
mircea_popescu | bah im so sick fo these fuckwits. | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | IT IS VERY GOOD THAT MARGINAL COMMUNITIES GET FUCKED. | [01:33] |
mircea_popescu | this is the motherfucking point of life. | [01:34] |
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dub | the point of life is for the civilised world to ensure that the uncivilised never catch up? | [01:44] |
dub | doesn't quite fit the 'free market' ideology | [01:44] |
pigeons | "civilised" is a vague/loaded word | [01:45] |
dub | its easy to infer my meaning though | [01:45] |
pigeons | yes | [01:45] |
dub | the countries that understand the need to recycle/manage waste | [01:46] |
pigeons | there is no response to his statement | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | it's not dick's job to ensure jane "catches up" | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | fuck jane. | [01:46] |
pigeons | not in caps this time | [01:46] |
dub | he is ensuring that she cannot? | [01:46] |
mircea_popescu | hwo so ? | [01:47] |
dub | by poisoning her and rendering her environment unproductive at best, probably uninhabitable by dick's standards | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | yaya. | [01:49] |
dub | it does not scale | [01:49] |
mircea_popescu | the assumption underlying your evaluation is that dick = jane | [01:50] |
dub | what happens when jane dies and dick has to look after his own shit | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | this is false. dick is a pretty cool guy. jane is a worthless pos. | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | dick is giving her a crumb in exchange for her scratching his back. | [01:50] |
dub | no, dick is giving her a poison chalice | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | if he doesn't want the risk of breaking a nail she can do w/o the crumb. | [01:50] |
smickles | i've missed something here | [01:50] |
mircea_popescu | "it doesn't scale" | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | d'uh, of course it doesn't. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | it should not. | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | not everyone belongs in a palace. most people belong in the huts, so as to have palaces. for just a few. | [01:51] |
smickles | what's this fun with dick and jane? /me scrolls log | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | i r fighting the beast of collectivism. | [01:51] |
dub | mircea_popescu: what happens when there are no more habitable huts | [01:52] |
smickles | What are they burning plastic for? | [01:52] |
dub | dick flies away in his magic rocket to another place and starts over? | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | smickles for being imbeciles, basically. | [01:52] |
dub | smickles: recycling | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | dub pretty much. | [01:52] |
dub | mircea_popescu: that is not a realistic end game | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | yes, it is. | [01:53] |
smickles | that's not how you recycle plastic, afaik | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | if you imagine that the entire population of africa croaking tomorrow would make any difference you're dreaming. | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | smickles depends if you're from ghana. | [01:53] |
dub | smickles: thats what happens to most of your countries recylcling | [01:53] |
smickles | if all of africal died, i'd say that's a pretty big market opportunity | [01:54] |
dub | its not just ghana | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | smickles "nice country, unfortunately inhabited" | [01:54] |
smickles | who makes money by shipping all my plastic to ghana? | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | the problem really is these days, the rich/successful/smart don't flaunt it nearly enough | [01:55] |
smickles | that sounds like a great racket to be in | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | the poor/stupid/failed get the idea that they're doing pretty ok | [01:55] |
dub | some contractor to your govt | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | and it's just "bad luck". or even they;'re owed something. | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | smickles it's not even the case, most plastic gets buried. | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | on the spot. | [01:55] |
dub | unless dick has already started on his escape plan (protip: he hasn't because he's spending all his money making war) then your end game fails | [01:56] |
smickles | seems better to bury it than burn it to me | [01:56] |
dub | they're burning it to extract metal | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | dub what escape, seriously ? | [01:57] |
dub | mircea_popescu: the rocket of course | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | get out. when "there's" no more inhabitable huts some will be buldozed, asphalted over and re-hutted | [01:57] |
dub | smickles: they've been sold the opportunity to extract metal and sell it | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | and some will be just repopulated with ex-hut dwellers beaten into submission to new hut environment. | [01:58] |
dub | only the catch is they have to die and kill thier land in the process | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | and i suppose it's your fault they're being stupid dub ? | [01:58] |
dub | yes in part | [01:58] |
dub | I recycle my rubbish because it saves me money | [01:59] |
dub | I know that its not really being recycled, not in a scalable manner | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | i recycle because, guess what, i use recyclabe materials. | [01:59] |
dub | its killing children in ghana | [01:59] |
mircea_popescu | i buy glass bottles. my total plastic consumption is something like a few kgs a year. | [01:59] |
dub | no you recycle because you have been incentivized via your wallet | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | not at all. | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | romania is a world apart. recycling was always high here | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | and to this day there's no fines/incentives to do it. | [02:00] |
dub | (I presume there is differentiated charging for recycling and common waste disposal in romania) | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [02:00] |
mircea_popescu | ever since the commie times they had an efficient recycling system in place. | [02:00] |
kakobrekla | we get penalites here now if we dont. | [02:00] |
dub | how quaint | [02:00] |
dub | kakobrekla: carrot/stick same deal | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | this is like, the 60s. way before the west found out about recycling. | [02:01] |
kakobrekla | its stupud as its useless | [02:01] |
dub | mircea_popescu: do you actually know where the recycling goes? | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | and in any event garbage costs are dismal, i pay 2.8 euros per month | [02:01] |
mircea_popescu | dub glass to the glass factory. metal to the metal sorting/refurbishing centers. paper to teh paper factory. etc. | [02:02] |
dub | irrelevant | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | plastic to ghana. | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | (literally to ghana) | [02:02] |
smickles | "plastic makes it possible" | [02:02] |
dub | the market provides you an incentive to spend time sorting trash | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | nope ?! | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | what incentive lol. | [02:02] |
dub | 2.8 EU a month | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | this is like saying the market provides me an incentive to chat with you. doth not, considering what i make it'd be hard pressed to. | [02:02] |
mircea_popescu | 2.8 eur a month regardless tho. | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | actually | [02:03] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;calc 11.8 / 4.4 | [02:03] |
gribble | 2.68181818182 | [02:03] |
mircea_popescu | 2.7 | [02:03] |
dub | anyway, the market then takes your trash and money and the money the state gives it to quietly dispose of its shit, and shops it to the 3rd world | [02:04] |
smickles | so dub who is this contractor you mentioned, and what part of the gov't actually gives them teh monies? | [02:04] |
mircea_popescu | dub no srlsy, it's mostly recycled locally. | [02:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5144 @ 0.00050628 = 2.6043 BTC [+] | [02:04] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8156 @ 0.0005083 = 4.1457 BTC [+] | [02:04] |
dub | smickles: some company, and the same part of govt that collects tax | [02:04] |
dub | well no, but you get the idea | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | and i seriously see no problem even if all the garbage was dumped on some failed country. | [02:05] |
smickles | lol, you have no details? where did you even get this info? | [02:05] |
dub | mircea_popescu: well thats not normal from my understanding | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | this is what you get for sucking '; you store everyone's garbage. fuck you. | [02:05] |
dub | smickles: its entirely dependant on idunno what vfuckign country you are in? | [02:05] |
mircea_popescu | he's in the us lol | [02:06] |
pigeons | i dump all my garbage when i fly over romania | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | ;;google persnickety american shot down over romania | [02:06] |
gribble | Persnickety Snark: 2009-02-08: |
[02:06] |
smickles | dub: so all of this is speculation? | [02:06] |
dub | smickles: 'that guy didnt spoonfeed me the answers' is not a defence | [02:06] |
smickles | i'm not forming a defence here, am I? | [02:06] |
mircea_popescu | you must be!!! | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | for there are dumbass africans who burn their plastics!!! | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | FORM A DEFENCE! GIVE A SHIT! | [02:07] |
smickles | anyway, generally, when you make an assertion, you should be able to justify it | [02:07] |
dub | the africans would not burn the waste if we did not give it to them for that purpose | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | o, right. | [02:07] |
mircea_popescu | let's give them some wells for the purpose of jumping in ? | [02:07] |
dub | smickles: not really | [02:07] |
dub | its teh case here, that means its likely the case in most of the world | [02:08] |
pigeons | only if we can have round the clock news of the rescue attempts | [02:08] |
smickles | the africans would not burn the waste if we did not give it to them for that purpose <<< define tenuous | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | next im going to hear an argument that slavery reparations should be enacted, to repay the young africans disposed of by the older africans. | [02:08] |
mircea_popescu | it was all the dutchmen's fault!!11 | [02:08] |
dub | smickles: they wouldnt have the waste to burn if our corporations did not provide massive amounts of it to them | [02:09] |
smickles | its teh case here, that means its likely the case in most of the world <<< hasty generalization | [02:09] |
dub | dude | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | dub that's ridiculous. i have caustic stuff in my house, i don't pour it in my eyes | [02:09] |
dub | generalisations are all there is | [02:09] |
smickles | dude, ever taken a logic class? | [02:09] |
mircea_popescu | EVEN THO EVIL CORPS GAVE IT TO ME | [02:09] |
dub | mircea_popescu: they've been sold recycling | [02:09] |
dub | its all profit driven out of western markets | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | right! | [02:10] |
dub | why the fuck else would it happen? | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | they want it, they have to work for it. | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | they don;'t want the work, they don't get the money. | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | why is this so hard to grasp ? | [02:10] |
dub | well they dont really want it | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | so then let them stop. | [02:10] |
smickles | didn't the wester world go thru hundreds of years of shit to get where they are now? | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | this is sounding like the rape trial. "well... i didn't REALLY want it" | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | smickles yes. | [02:11] |
dub | take shell in nigeria | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | in fact, as recent as 100 years ago london was so covered in coal dust they had coal storms | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | apparently... they survived. | [02:11] |
dub | do the villages that get poisoned want to die? | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | dub did shell get govt permits ? | [02:11] |
dub | yes | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | then yes they do. | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | if they don't, elect better politicians. | [02:12] |
dub | goodluck jonathan opened his arms | [02:12] |
dub | sure, just need bigger guns | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | so get bigger guns. | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | which brings us round circle : this is the fucking point of life. either get the bigger gun or get good at sucking cock. | [02:12] |
dub | doesnt scale | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | so you say. | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | far as i can see it scales just fine. | [02:13] |
dub | the tide of shit will flow | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | yaya bs. | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | what doesn't scale is your expectation that every kid gets xmas | [02:13] |
dub | I don't expect that | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | some kids die in the snow in front of my house. not all kids get xmas. | [02:13] |
smickles | ya know, if you want to change the minds of smart people, you'll need to avoid logical fallacies | [02:14] |
smickles | otherwise, they tend to have fun with you | [02:14] |
dub | all this free market ideology is complete bullshit when the actions of a few prevent the many from even participating | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | smickles i think he just wants to unwind from the brainless zombie regurgitated crap he's bombarded with non stop in the "civilised" world. | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | dub not at all. | [02:14] |
dub | smickles: smart people know these things | [02:14] |
dub | I'm not trying to educate | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | no. idiots who invest in pirate and masquerade as "smart" "know" these "things" | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | where things really means idiotic nonsense. | [02:15] |
dub | strawman | [02:15] |
smickles | :D yay | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | would you have preferred i said "buy nefario flowers" ? | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | cause that also scales lol. | [02:16] |
dub | smickles: which logical fallacies btw | [02:17] |
smickles | so, it looks ly my city's plastic is either recycled locally, or burried locally | [02:17] |
dub | did you grasp that its not 'plastic' they are burning? | [02:18] |
dub | its e-waste contaning metals they are extracting for resale | [02:18] |
smickles | well, i haven't found details about how most tucson corpo's recycle their compies yet | [02:18] |
dub | also if you are going to compartmentalise this into 'the waste I personally generate' well, lol @ the convince smart people stuff | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | [02:19] | |
dub | well again, when you have corrupt authoritarian states forcing their people to do this.. | [02:21] |
smickles | ug, compartmentalize? you said it was some contractor from my gov't, i'm looking for that | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | dub wait a second. ever heard of tammany hall ? | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | corruption is something of the people by the people, it's not fallen from the sky. | [02:21] |
dub | sure there is stupidity but its not like jane's son *click*bele mbwamba born with cancer from the lead in the water supply can do shit | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | dub fuck him, he was born to a stupid mother. | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=120119.msg1331215#msg1331215 whoa looky! that acct exists since may! and it made 6 posts which are 3. | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | whose sock ? | [02:23] |
dub | well im not sure but I think the free market idea is that he can improve his lot | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | dub improve his lot yes | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | his lot = my lot no. | [02:23] |
smickles | ya know, it does involve a bit of luck, | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | and your problem is that you spurn his improving his shitty lot to shitty+1 | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | and you want him to improve to cool+12 | [02:24] |
smickles | imporvement over being a computer burner prolly doesn't look like much to us, but may look like a lot to them | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | it ain't how it works. takes generations of peopleworking dilligently. | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | takes a couple of obamas to fuck it all to hell | [02:24] |
mircea_popescu | it's how it works, going down is easier than going up. | [02:24] |
* | mircea_popescu is surprised he hasn't heard the "but it's unfair, why should you have shit and cancerous anon fuckwit not have shit!!! aren't you both people!!!" | [02:26] |
dub | my view is purely selfish | [02:27] |
dub | you need to manage the proles | [02:27] |
dub | it costs more not to, in the long run | [02:27] |
smickles | dub: what are you suggesting we do | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | heh so as usual the socialist are actually the racists. | [02:29] |
mircea_popescu | dude, they have the right to manage themselves, let them. | [02:29] |
smickles | well, I mean, mircea_popescu is probably in a better position to do something than I am | [02:29] |
dub | be honest, put your rubbish in your local landfil and wear the environmental fallout yourself | [02:29] |
smickles | um | [02:29] |
smickles | isn't that what I do? | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | dub that'd just destroy land values, i'd move to their country via gentrification and force them to move to mine | [02:30] |
dub | instead of exporting your problem for profit | [02:30] |
mircea_popescu | isn't it easier to move the garbage than the people ? | [02:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9821 @ 0.00050582 = 4.9677 BTC [-] | [02:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9664 @ 0.00050575 = 4.8876 BTC [-] | [02:30] |
smickles | I'm still not finding thes people who ship US compies to African countries to be melted down | [02:30] |
dub | its not like they advertise this widely | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | smickles the reason you aren't is because there's no such thing. on the african side it's pretty much independent business. | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | as in, those unfortunate fucks are both more respectable and more human than the average us office drone | [02:31] |
mircea_popescu | they live an independent life, out in the waste. | [02:31] |
smickles | dub: there'd at least be indications of it from the gov't, b/c i doubt poor african countries pay enough to make it profitable on their own | [02:32] |
smickles | a line item in a budget somewhere, associated with a statute | [02:32] |
dub | where would there be indications? | [02:32] |
dub | can you see the books of the waste contractors? | [02:32] |
smickles | I wouldn't need to | [02:32] |
kakobrekla | wait till he is cpa | [02:33] |
mircea_popescu | lol my thoughts exactly kakobrekla | [02:33] |
smickles | kakobrekla: :D | [02:33] |
mircea_popescu | he's gonna find the gold my grand-grandfather hid when the turks invaded | [02:33] |
smickles | maybe it's a tax writeoff for donating the computers | [02:34] |
smickles | resale and donation would stop it from being classified as hazardous | [02:35] |
dub | probalby, some carbon credits to boot | [02:35] |
mircea_popescu | lol dub is jaded | [02:35] |
smickles | in 'merica? not yet | [02:35] |
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dub | it does like this, you pay Super Envirocorp Green Recycling LLC, your govt apys them, africa pays them, and they probably don't pay tax, perfect | [02:36] |
smickles | ok, shipping computers to other countries for disposal or donation is illegal as of 1 year after those pics were taken | [02:36] |
smickles | it seems | [02:36] |
dub | apparently someone grew a concience | [02:37] |
dub | how socialist of them | [02:37] |
smickles | :( makes this last hour seem so pointless and wasteful | [02:38] |
dub | really? I've been built a few $100k of internets while chatting | [02:39] |
smickles | oh, sorry, you didn't spoon feed me the info, so I had to actually work at finding it | [02:40] |
smickles | ;) | [02:40] |
dub | free market bro, gotta do the work | [02:40] |
smickles | i just hope my daughter survived the neglect | [02:40] |
mircea_popescu | $100k of internets ?! where is that ? | [02:41] |
mircea_popescu | smickles if you find her burning computer parts you know who to send the med bills to nao. | [02:41] |
smickles | naw, just kidding, her mom was taking her for a walk | [02:41] |
mircea_popescu | neglecting the mom seems moar dangerous | [02:41] |
dub | about 40Gbps of access network, in a farming town | [02:41] |
mircea_popescu | exploitation. | [02:41] |
dub | by providing faster porn to the farmer, less animals will be abused | [02:42] |
mircea_popescu | you're taking advantage of their backwards farmish nature | [02:42] |
dub | in my locality anyway, that animal porn will be made offshore | [02:42] |
mircea_popescu | to deploy your internets in less congested and thuys cheaper area | [02:43] |
mircea_popescu | grow a conscience! no more computer donations to africans and no more internets to farming towns! | [02:44] |
mircea_popescu | let apple make a buck. | [02:44] |
dub | they demand faster porn, the market provides | [02:44] |
smickles | mircea_popescu: the market demands an MPEx api call ('PROFIT|X', where X is a positive integer in satoshi) which gives me btc | [02:46] |
mircea_popescu | go burn a keyboard | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | all profits are belong to ME(pex) | [02:47] |
smickles | well, ~97% of them anyway | [02:47] |
dub | I recycled two keyboards this week :( | [02:48] |
smickles | I still have those old IBM clicky keyboards | [02:48] |
smickles | let me see, it's a model M | [02:49] |
dub | model-M? | [02:49] |
dub | yeah, colleague near me insists on using one, annoying as hell | [02:49] |
dub | DEPR NEED TO HEAR MY CLICKS | [02:50] |
dub | IM A SRS ENGINEER, JUST LISTEN! | [02:50] |
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mircea_popescu | 12 points (100% like it) 12 up votes 0 down votes | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | smickles m'boy you've got the perfect reddit submission. everyone likes it. | [03:12] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2820 @ 0.00051161 = 1.4427 BTC [+] | [03:46] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26932 @ 0.00051175 = 13.7825 BTC [+] | [03:46] |
mircea_popescu | Certified computer forensic examiner out of Austin, Texas, lawyer Craig Ball, says that authorities can use the serial numbers off of two flash drives, said to contain the tax returns, left at a political office in Williamson County. Each computer keeps a record of all external devices plugged into them. Considering how easy a task this is, one suspects that the authorities would have already completed it, either impl | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | icating, or not, Brown. | [04:00] |
mircea_popescu | this is such bs. who told them what "all computers" do ffs | [04:00] |
dub | Certified (A+, MCSE) computer exphurts | [04:02] |
dub | especially lulzy are security certs | [04:04] |
mircea_popescu | myah. | [04:06] |
coingenuity | mircea_popescu: knightmb having a case built against him? | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | coingenuity so they say. particularly uninformed article | [04:10] |
mircea_popescu | http://silvervigilante.com/richest-man-in-bitcoin-realm-secret-service/ | [04:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24401 @ 0.00051175 = 12.4872 BTC [+] | [04:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17849 @ 0.0005121 = 9.1405 BTC [+] | [04:11] |
smickles | poked above the 30 day sma again | [04:14] |
Diablo-D3 | wow, I missed DiabloMiner's birthday | [04:14] |
Diablo-D3 | Date: Sat Nov 6 11:16:17 2010 -0400 | [04:14] |
Diablo-D3 | its now 2 years old | [04:15] |
dub | the oldest turd that hasnt turned white | [04:15] |
mircea_popescu | so how long before pretty much everyone who issed glbse shares says fuck it and moves on ? | [04:20] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: some already have | [04:20] |
mircea_popescu | i know, but i mean the general consensus. | [04:20] |
smickles | how long has it been so far? | [04:22] |
smickles | did that happen oct 2nd? | [04:22] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, its been over a month | [04:22] |
Diablo-D3 | which like a decade in bitcoin time | [04:22] |
dub | is the send nefario flowers thing happening? | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | smickles early oct is my recollection. | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | dub i hope it isn't for the reason that the idiots who'd do it lost all their money to scammers already and are facing deportation | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | to ghana. | [04:24] |
mircea_popescu | any other reason fails to satisfy. | [04:25] |
dub | i like it | [04:25] |
dub | gotta be creepy getting flowers from a bunch of people that basically want your scalp | [04:25] |
dub | its saying 'you can't hide motherfucker' | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | they don't want his scalp. | [04:25] |
mircea_popescu | they don't know what the fuck they want, but it'd be something like someone telling them they're ok. | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | which is why the pr chick is getting on so many nerves, imho. | [04:26] |
smickles | heh, "so how long until i can just start using this btc as my own" (from the issuer's perspective), is that what you're asking mircea_popescu ? | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | smickles well, not rly, seeing how the point of issuing was to get btc to use as their own | [04:26] |
mircea_popescu | see the rsm guy for a fine illustration | [04:26] |
smickles | ah | [04:27] |
mircea_popescu | i was asking more along the lines of, "when will everyone be forced to put glbse shares as 0 in their books" | [04:28] |
mircea_popescu | obviously prudence requires them do that already, but experience shows btc noobies absolutely never do it. | [04:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00050693 = 6.7168 BTC [-] | [04:36] |
smickles | https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/peacefully-grant-state-texas-withdraw-united-states-america-and-create-its-own-new-government/BmdWCP8B | [04:49] |
smickles | just noticed this | [04:49] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [04:52] |
Diablo-D3 | lol | [04:52] |
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smickles | it's to the point where they actually have to acknowlage it and respond to it | [04:53] |
mod6 | haha | [04:54] |
smickles | Of course, when the marijuana one got there, the answer was so full of lies it boggled the mind | [04:54] |
smickles | so I expect the answer will be "no, it's illegal" | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | illegal my foot | [04:55] |
smickles | followed by "there is no historical precident" | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | texas did it before | [04:55] |
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mod6 | yeah, texas was its own country for a period | [04:56] |
mod6 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Texas | [04:56] |
smickles | and "no country has ever formed by declaring independance" | [04:56] |
mircea_popescu | ahahah | [04:58] |
mircea_popescu | ok that'd be a good one. | [04:58] |
mod6 | lol | [04:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21600 @ 0.0005121 = 11.0614 BTC [+] | [05:02] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24953 @ 0.00051264 = 12.7919 BTC [+] | [05:02] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [13:15] |
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* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Nov 8 15:00:02 2012 | [13:15] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuck you irc | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | fuckin turn off | [13:16] |
AwesomeToTheMax | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR | [13:16] |
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mircea_popescu | dun dun dun | [13:16] |
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mircea_popescu | this is funny : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=123873.0 | [13:18] |
mircea_popescu | 20-120 bitcoins in prizes, nobody replies. | [13:18] |
mircea_popescu | if i had offered .1 btc for some stupidshit like a signature it would be FULL | [13:19] |
Diablo-D3 | wait, what? | [13:19] |
Diablo-D3 | what am I writing? | [13:19] |
mircea_popescu | whatever you want. | [13:19] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: what exactly is it that you want written, however? | [13:21] |
mircea_popescu | well, you kinda have to read the article. but it's a 4-6k words fiction piece | [13:22] |
Diablo-D3 | I did read it | [13:22] |
Diablo-D3 | but you sort of go off on a tangent | [13:22] |
mircea_popescu | there's three ways i can see gpg contracts going on | [13:22] |
mircea_popescu | there could be more | [13:22] |
mircea_popescu | either find one more, or else write out one of the three | [13:22] |
Diablo-D3 | how about I write a story about how the rothchilds have a pgp contract with lucifer the morningstar, their god, and thus end the world | [13:23] |
mircea_popescu | sure. | [13:23] |
mircea_popescu | except, work it out so it fits one of teh three! | [13:24] |
Diablo-D3 | I dont want to be assassinated :< | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | eh get out. | [13:24] |
mircea_popescu | nobody's getting assasinated cause of something they wrote on the interwebs | [13:26] |
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Diablo-D3 | but its true about them and lucifer :< | [13:26] |
mircea_popescu | even so. | [13:26] |
jurov | diablo, in that case, you don't have to fear anything when you get asassinated for revealing such truth | [13:27] |
jurov | for this deed shall surely wawrd you place in God's Kingdom | [13:27] |
jurov | ;D | [13:28] |
jurov | *award | [13:28] |
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Diablo-D3 | jurov: but I _am_ Lucifer :< | [13:28] |
Diablo-D3 | dying _hurts_ | [13:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00050658 = 10.9675 BTC [+] | [13:28] |
jurov | you will, sooner or later | [13:28] |
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Diablo-D3 | well, sometimes. I did it a few times during WW2, some of them wern't so bad. | [13:29] |
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Diablo-D3 | but I guess it wont matter | [13:29] |
Diablo-D3 | the world is ending soon | [13:29] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: I think I have a better idea, though | [13:29] |
Diablo-D3 | a bitcoin powered ebook market. | [13:30] |
mircea_popescu | right, because bitcoin people are this mix of 1% people who have not the time to fuck their gfs and 99% people who never had a gf | [13:30] |
mircea_popescu | they're EXACTLY the people who read books. | [13:31] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: you've never read a book while getting a blowjob? | [13:31] |
mircea_popescu | nope. | [13:31] |
mircea_popescu | i prefer fondling the other girl. | [13:32] |
mircea_popescu | bah i wish cpanel would STOP CHANGING THE LOOKS OF THE WEB INTERFACE | [13:32] |
mircea_popescu | every time i go to log in they give me a jolt. | [13:32] |
mircea_popescu | "whoa, phishing ?!" | [13:33] |
mircea_popescu | In 59 Philadelphia voting divisions, Mitt Romney got zero votes. | [13:35] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha. fo reals ?! | [13:35] |
mircea_popescu | Detroit has more registered voters than residents over 18, Census finds | [13:35] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: CLEARLY THIS IS THE WORK OF OBAMA | [13:36] |
Diablo-D3 | or something | [13:36] |
Diablo-D3 | my faux republican rage wore out quite some time ago | [13:36] |
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mircea_popescu | i just think it's funny how 3rd world the us is. | [13:37] |
Diablo-D3 | there are no first world countries left | [13:37] |
mircea_popescu | i mean, for all of the 20th century they've kept pretending and we've kept pretending like they're part of civilisation | [13:37] |
mircea_popescu | but, really... never was the case. becomes more and more obvious. | [13:37] |
Diablo-D3 | mircea_popescu: well | [13:37] |
Diablo-D3 | its up to us bitcoiners | [13:37] |
Diablo-D3 | to create a new country | [13:38] |
Diablo-D3 | one that preserves the rights of life, liberty, and PUSSY! | [13:38] |
Diablo-D3 | NOW WHOS WITH ME?! | [13:38] |
mircea_popescu | crickets. | [13:38] |
Diablo-D3 | You're all fags, you know that. | [13:38] |
EskimoBob | mircea_popescu: did you (or she) set up the thread in the forums about what people think about your PR? | [13:39] |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [13:39] |
mircea_popescu | ohio had a county where there was a 103% voter turnout | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | you know... this happened in a hamlet in romania last elections | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | those people are now spending their time between the da and the court. | [13:43] |
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Diablo-D3 | its happened everywhere forever. | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [13:44] |
mircea_popescu | but you gotta keep sending them to jale. | [13:44] |
Diablo-D3 | jail | [13:44] |
mircea_popescu | that too. | [13:48] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10094 @ 0.00050221 = 5.0693 BTC [-] | [13:54] |
jurov | eskimobob, go satisfy your urges there: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102333.0 | [13:57] |
EskimoBob | SupaDupa: wtf are you spamming? Get a life, you fkn asshole, or just hang yourself ' | [13:57] |
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EskimoBob | jurov: what urges? | [13:59] |
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jurov | to know what ppl think about MPOE-PR | [14:00] |
Guest66360 | she is a whore | [14:00] |
EskimoBob | Guest66360 is the same scumbag SupaDupa: | [14:02] |
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jurov | eskimo, you really think they will ever start such thread? why? | [14:03] |
EskimoBob | we really need a OP here to kick idiots like supasupa for good | [14:03] |
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Maxxxx | you are definately suckin both my balls | [14:04] |
Maxxxx | but maybe if you slow down I can pull one outta your mouf | [14:04] |
mircea_popescu | am i missing something here ? | [14:04] |
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* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi | [14:07] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Nov 8 15:00:02 2012 | [14:07] |
* | Maxxxx is now known as PwnedByServices | [14:07] |
* | PwnedByServices is now known as Noob | [14:07] |
* | Noob is now known as NameChanges | [14:08] |
* | NameChanges is now known as AreFun | [14:08] |
EskimoBob | "Secession Petitions Flood White House Website" LOL http://politics.slashdot.org/story/12/11/12/2113214/secession-petitions-flood-white-house-website | [14:08] |
AreFun | since Obama is president shouldn't it be called The Half-White House? | [14:10] |
AreFun | considering he's half black... | [14:10] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha | [14:10] |
AreFun | too early for jokes? | [14:10] |
EskimoBob | take a look at the petition site, it's really funny | [14:11] |
Diablo-D3 | the jokes will never be funny, really | [14:11] |
Diablo-D3 | its called the white house because of the color on the outside, not the colored on the inside | [14:11] |
AreFun | umm | [14:12] |
AreFun | are you saying Obama is black on the inside | [14:12] |
AreFun | LOL! | [14:12] |
AreFun | last time I checked your skin colour was on the fuckin outside Diablo-D3 | [14:12] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/gpg-contracts/#comment-90442 << how the fuck do i end up with all the crazies ? | [14:12] |
AreFun | considering your fuckin skin colour is only visible on the outside since it's fuckin skin | [14:13] |
mircea_popescu | this dude wants to fix bitcoin : there should be pairs of bitcoins "going in countercurrent" | [14:13] |
Diablo-D3 | AreFun: you missed the joke. | [14:13] |
mircea_popescu | he did say "the colored" | [14:13] |
AreFun | I know there's a ton of grape drink in The White House now | [14:13] |
Diablo-D3 | at least mircea_popescu got it | [14:14] |
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mircea_popescu | that didn't last long. | [14:15] |
mircea_popescu | what's his story anyway. | [14:15] |
Diablo-D3 | who knows | [14:16] |
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mircea_popescu | is this the guy who used to spam goatse re some bitcoin ransom or something like that ? | [14:18] |
Diablo-D3 | no | [14:18] |
Diablo-D3 | I thought it was usagi | [14:18] |
Diablo-D3 | but usagi doesnt swear | [14:18] |
mircea_popescu | well not in his bunny costume | [14:19] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00050658 = 5.4711 BTC [+] | [14:19] |
EskimoBob | this was probably supadupa, known lunatic from ltc and btc channel | [14:22] |
Diablo-D3 | might be | [14:22] |
Diablo-D3 | that asshole has been causing problems lately again | [14:22] |
EskimoBob | yes. sending huge pkg as CTCP ping | [14:22] |
Diablo-D3 | yeah, what did he think that was going to do? | [14:23] |
Diablo-D3 | it doesnt do anything | [14:23] |
EskimoBob | if you have a crappy line, it will drop your connection or something like that | [14:24] |
Diablo-D3 | I have a crappy line, it does nothing. | [14:24] |
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EskimoBob | damn James | [14:26] |
Diablo-D3 | who? | [14:27] |
EskimoBob | no update https://blog.glbse.com/ | [14:27] |
Diablo-D3 | oh nefario | [14:27] |
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mircea_popescu | maybe he didn't like the flowers. | [14:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21793 @ 0.00050221 = 10.9447 BTC [-] | [14:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11150 @ 0.00050217 = 5.5992 BTC [-] | [14:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10357 @ 0.00050215 = 5.2008 BTC [-] | [14:44] |
Chaaang-Noi | [14:47] | |
mircea_popescu | hm ? | [14:47] |
Chaaang-Noi | nvm | [14:47] |
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Chaaang-Noi | what ever happened to usagi? | [14:51] |
Chaaang-Noi | poof and he was gone? | [14:51] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much. | [14:54] |
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Chaang-Noi | lol, did they send nefario flowers? | [14:56] |
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EskimoBob | Chaang-Noi: there was a plan | [14:57] |
EskimoBob | Chaang-Noi: usagi was here yesterday but took off shortly. | [14:58] |
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EskimoBob | Looks like he is also following me around the fkn forum like a pervert :) | [14:59] |
Chaang-Noi | lol | [15:00] |
Chaang-Noi | they should send nefario flowers | [15:00] |
Chaang-Noi | its some lulz | [15:00] |
Chaang-Noi | ill chip in | [15:00] |
EskimoBob | Chaang-Noi: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=115669.msg1331773#msg1331773 | [15:03] |
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Chaang-Noi | sadly i cant post but ill go read:) | [15:06] |
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Chaaang-Noi | loading very slowly for me | [15:06] |
Chaaang-Noi | ahh okay thanks :) | [15:09] |
Chaaang-Noi | i hope it gets done, ill chip in a btc to whoever does it | [15:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00050658 = 5.9017 BTC [+] | [15:09] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00050866 = 10.809 BTC [+] | [15:09] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4543 @ 0.00050215 = 2.2813 BTC [-] | [15:34] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13721 @ 0.00050198 = 6.8877 BTC [-] | [15:34] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17828 @ 0.00050175 = 8.9452 BTC [-] | [15:59] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11100 @ 0.00050164 = 5.5682 BTC [-] | [16:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 572 @ 0.0005016 = 0.2869 BTC [-] | [16:00] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7078 @ 0.0005016 = 3.5503 BTC [-] | [16:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12052 @ 0.00050128 = 6.0414 BTC [-] | [16:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3770 @ 0.0005012 = 1.8895 BTC [-] | [16:25] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42600 @ 0.0005012 = 21.3511 BTC [-] | [16:50] |
thestringpuller | panic sell | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | lol | [16:51] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc (11.30 - 11) / 11.30 | [16:52] |
gribble | 0.0265486725664 | [16:52] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc (11.9 - 11) / 11.9 | [16:53] |
gribble | 0.0756302521008 | [16:53] |
thestringpuller | ;;calc (15 - 11) / 15 | [16:53] |
gribble | 0.266666666667 | [16:53] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [16:54] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.95001, Best ask: 10.99998, Bid-ask spread: 0.04997, Last trade: 10.99999, 24 hour volume: 20598.93273169, 24 hour low: 10.92150, 24 hour high: 11.18000, 24 hour vwap: 11.03907 | [16:54] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9692 @ 0.0005012 = 4.8576 BTC [-] | [17:15] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 358 @ 0.0005011 = 0.1794 BTC [-] | [17:15] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: I feel like option prices are correlated to the bots opinion on which way the price will swing. | [17:17] |
thestringpuller | ;;ticker | [17:20] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 10.97471, Best ask: 10.98990, Bid-ask spread: 0.01519, Last trade: 10.98990, 24 hour volume: 17626.08933055, 24 hour low: 10.92150, 24 hour high: 11.16998, 24 hour vwap: 11.03109 | [17:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9819 @ 0.0005011 = 4.9203 BTC [-] | [17:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37231 @ 0.0005009 = 18.649 BTC [-] | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | really ? | [17:47] |
mircea_popescu | so what's the story with the bfl/other asics ? late october came and went, early november came and by now went | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | we're mid november... | [17:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15019 @ 0.0005009 = 7.523 BTC [-] | [18:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17400 @ 0.00050085 = 8.7148 BTC [-] | [18:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 831 @ 0.00050066 = 0.416 BTC [-] | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | "You never donated for the welfare of this forum. Your username is present in various ignore lists. You have no respect for Theymos neither you share any preferences with him." | [18:09] |
mircea_popescu | hohoho this thread is turning into quite the lulzfarm | [18:09] |
abracadabra | sounds like fpga story? | [18:11] |
abracadabra | history does really repeat itself | [18:11] |
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mircea_popescu | abracadabra possibly. | [18:25] |
mircea_popescu | i do have various bets bound to make me a lot of monyz if there's no asics this year, so | [18:25] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34600 @ 0.00050066 = 17.3228 BTC [-] | [18:32] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4269 @ 0.00050066 = 2.1373 BTC [-] | [18:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8516 @ 0.00050006 = 4.2585 BTC [-] | [18:57] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.00050115 = 15.7111 BTC [+] | [19:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00050121 = 9.949 BTC [+] | [19:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00050006 = 15.8519 BTC [-] | [19:48] |
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mircea_popescu | so theymos has not read the thread but has an opinion. | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | why is this guy even involved ? | [19:57] |
kuzetsa | :( | [19:57] |
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mircea_popescu | i must have missed something here. some college student. ok, so ? | [19:57] |
kuzetsa | mircea_popescu: just... like... | [19:58] |
kuzetsa | why did you consider glbse to be shady or poorly run or whatever compared to yours? | [19:58] |
mircea_popescu | kuzetsa that's a long list. | [19:58] |
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kuzetsa | other than just being a competing service (which is a major reason I blindly ignored your criticism when I was actively getting myself screwed a few months ago on GLBSE) | [19:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/ | [19:59] |
mircea_popescu | for instance. | [19:59] |
mircea_popescu | but to try and sum up months of history : i considered it poorly run right off the bat for technical reasons. | [20:00] |
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mircea_popescu | these involve deep issues of security from a philosophical perspective, but also simple things like, they were using google analytics on the pages ;/ | [20:00] |
kuzetsa | ah lol yeah. I always try to make sure my session cookies end up invalid whenever I got AFK by manually logging out :) | [20:00] |
mircea_popescu | and i considered it shady because of the behaviour re scammers. the exact sort of thing theymos is doing. | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | nefario supported peter lambert, theymos is supporting patrick harnett, it's all the same "buddy-buddy" bullshit. | [20:01] |
kakobreklaaa | sup folks | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | this is not how people who have any business experience or any understanding of the world or intellectual maturity behave,. | [20:01] |
mircea_popescu | this is behind-the-bleachers sort of teenage crap. | [20:02] |
mircea_popescu | but by now i could probably write a book as to all the many countless things that were wrong with it. | [20:02] |
mircea_popescu | heya kakobreklaaa | [20:02] |
kakobreklaaa | how is it | [20:02] |
mircea_popescu | same old. | [20:03] |
kakobreklaaa | :) | [20:03] |
kuzetsa | thanks mircea_popescu, that list was pretty exhaustive. better managed & more secure with a solid exit strategy :( | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | and the funny thing is, people jumped all over mpex back in july cause "o, what happens if mpex goes away" | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | and the pr girl said AT THE TIME "now go ask glbse the same thing" | [20:04] |
kuzetsa | heh | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | but people want to be dense. | [20:04] |
kuzetsa | :/ | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | i can dig up the quote for you if it helps anything. | [20:04] |
kuzetsa | yeah. assuming that genuine concern is trolling has become too common. | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | right. | [20:05] |
mircea_popescu | easy cop out too. someone says something we don't understand ? THEYRE TROLLING | [20:05] |
mircea_popescu | a la usagi. | [20:05] |
kuzetsa | I wouldn't know | [20:05] |
mircea_popescu | you couldn't have missed that guy's stuff, it was all over the forum at some point. | [20:06] |
kuzetsa | out of all the bitcointalk threads, and the freenode #bitcoin-xxx? discissions I've participated, the name usagi doesn't really stand out. | [20:06] |
kuzetsa | vaguely perhaps... I dunno. | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | a well, you're blessed. | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | ask EskimoBob lol | [20:07] |
kuzetsa | my skills of observation / attention span & short term memory are kinda limited. chronic symptoms from acquired brain injury I got a few years ago due to hurricane katrina (2005) | [20:07] |
kakobreklaaa | btw usagi returned day or two ago | [20:08] |
kuzetsa | and now I live in NY, wheee! yay for sandy lolo | [20:08] |
mircea_popescu | maybe you're attracting them | [20:08] |
kuzetsa | yes | [20:08] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6184 @ 0.00050006 = 3.0924 BTC [-] | [20:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00049923 = 7.9877 BTC [-] | [20:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27110 @ 0.00049913 = 13.5314 BTC [-] | [20:13] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4309 @ 0.00049865 = 2.1487 BTC [-] | [20:13] |
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kakobreklaaa | ;;bc,stats | [20:32] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 200134 | Current Difficulty: 2864140.507811 | Next Difficulty At Block: 201599 | Next Difficulty In: 1465 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 9 hours, 51 minutes, and 50 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3196800.71455154 | Estimated Percent Change: 11.6146608671 | [20:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14621 @ 0.00049865 = 7.2908 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8050 @ 0.00049862 = 4.0139 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24529 @ 0.00049851 = 12.228 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 76000 @ 0.00325 = 247 BTC [-] | [20:38] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 119628 @ 0.00325 = 388.791 BTC [-] | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 42700 @ 0.00325 = 138.775 BTC [-] | [20:40] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40539 @ 0.00049922 = 20.2379 BTC [+] | [21:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11379 @ 0.00050121 = 5.7033 BTC [+] | [21:06] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15521 @ 0.00049851 = 7.7374 BTC [-] | [21:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10274 @ 0.00049844 = 5.121 BTC [-] | [21:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6705 @ 0.00049796 = 3.3388 BTC [-] | [21:32] |
thestringpuller | plummet my friend | [21:33] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9260 @ 0.00325 = 30.095 BTC [-] | [21:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 32412 @ 0.00325 = 105.339 BTC [-] | [21:41] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16852 @ 0.00049796 = 8.3916 BTC [-] | [22:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15944 @ 0.00049792 = 7.9388 BTC [-] | [22:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10098 @ 0.00049791 = 5.0279 BTC [-] | [22:06] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3806 @ 0.00049761 = 1.8939 BTC [-] | [22:07] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18760 @ 0.00049761 = 9.3352 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90 @ 0.00049756 = 0.0448 BTC [-] | [22:32] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 9260 @ 0.00325 = 30.095 BTC [-] | [22:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 740 @ 0.00339942 = 2.5156 BTC [+] | [22:48] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10860 @ 0.00049756 = 5.4035 BTC [-] | [23:14] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2710 @ 0.0004975 = 1.3482 BTC [-] | [23:14] |
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flooraccount2 | I have a TurnKey Bitcoin Casino located at https://www.luckybitcoincasino.com for sale. This website has been 100% tested, error proof, ready to start making money and accept playing customers. Website details: *Lucky Bitcoin Casino is written in PHP, HTML, and is open code. *Completely automated, requires no human intervention for processing Bitcoin payments. *Bitcoin Deposits credited within 1 hour. *Bitcoin Wi | [23:21] |
flooraccount2 | Slots, blackjack, videopoker, baccarat, craps, roulette, caribbean poker, 5-reel slots, progressive 5-reel slots, 3-reel slots, progressive 3-reel slots, progressive blackjack, and progressive videopoker. 36 exciting games inside the members area. *Three level referral program for new members to generate an income. *Real time player statistics on the main page. *12 months Free Hosting. *12 months Free script support. | [23:21] |
flooraccount2 | SSL certificate included. I will accept Bitcoin, Liberty Reserve, or Bank wire for the purchase of this website. I am selling this website for $15,000USD. or best offer! Cash Talks! I can also create a custom Bitcoin Casino at the URL of your choice if you desire. If you are interested in purchasing this website, or have a custom Bitcoin Casino created please contact me at flooraccount AT gmail.com or use contact f | [23:21] |
flooraccount2 | https://www.luckybitcoincasino.com/contact.php | [23:21] |
flooraccount2 | serious inquiries only please | [23:22] |
BTC-Mining | Try the OTC maybe | [23:24] |
BTC-Mining | This channel is more for stocks/options and live transactions reporting by bots. | [23:25] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;getrating flooraccount | [23:33] |
gribble | This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated. | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | mnope. | [23:33] |
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flooraccount | any live chat or just text? | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | flooraccount : you chances of selling anything for as much as 10 btc here w/o a solid wot are nil. | [23:36] |
flooraccount | nice to see friendly people on the irc | [23:38] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34450 @ 0.0004975 = 17.1389 BTC [-] | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | it's what it is. | [23:40] |
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