Forum logs for 12 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
pete_dushenski http://rmsothebys.com/lf15/london/lots/1995-bugatti-eb110-super-sport/1076871 <--> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3An1XcXWoeA [00:00]
assbot 1995 Bugatti EB110 Super Sport | London 2015 | RM Sotheby's ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp1M2g ) [00:00]
assbot Bugatti EB110 SS - Chris Harris on Cars - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp1Kav ) [00:00]
pete_dushenski ^ what a cool million buys in the used car market these days. [00:00]
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pete_dushenski http://trilema.com/2015/the-great-nedeflorena-show/#comment-115315 [00:06]
assbot The great Nedeflorena show on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp21dw ) [00:06]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: pretty lulzy article btw [00:07]
pete_dushenski "There is widespread belief that violence in poorly governed countries is triggered by international demand for their natural resources. We study the consequences of U.S. legislation grounded in this belief, the “conflict minerals” section of the 2010 Dodd-Frank Act. Targeting the eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo, it cuts funding to warlords by discouraging manufacturers from sourcing tin, tungsten, [00:14]
pete_dushenski and tantalum from the region." [00:14]
pete_dushenski "Using geo-referenced data, we find the legislation increased looting of civilians, and shifted militia battles towards unregulated gold mining territories. These findings are a cautionary tale about the possible unintended consequences of boycotting natural resources from war-torn regions, and the use of international resource governance interventions." [00:14]
pete_dushenski bwahaha "possible unintended consequences." only POSSIBLE !!1 [00:15]
pete_dushenski "The evidence suggests the legislation significantly increased the incidence of looting and the incidence of violence against civilians by at least 291 and 143 percent respectively." [00:18]
pete_dushenski granting that epidemiology is hard to follow (obligatory http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/19/epidemiology-is-hard-to-follow/), the 'let's blockchain the proud nation of africa'-ists can stuff this in their pipes and smoke it. [00:20]
assbot Page not found | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp36SQ ) [00:20]
pete_dushenski page not found eh. [00:22]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret." [00:27]
pete_dushenski trying to make sense of this. seems like good qntra material. [00:27]
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pete_dushenski ;;nethash [00:32]
gribble 460177092.439 [00:32]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: niche thing. [00:33]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: the overall moral of the story is more interesting - expect a generalized 'spymania' in usa; accusations of 'wrecking' will become a regular thing. [00:34]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117127 << as in this [00:34]
assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 22:04:14; mircea_popescu: you know, the "wrecker" who was "trying to make the train tracks run down faster" [00:34]
pete_dushenski "using too much concrete and trying to bankrupt the great state" vs. "using too little concrete and jeopardising the security of the great state" [00:35]
pete_dushenski aha [00:35]
pete_dushenski ok ima write this up for qntra then [00:36]
pete_dushenski thx [00:36]
asciilifeform http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/09/11/temple-professor-charges-dropped << has the document [00:37]
assbot Government Drops Charges Against Chinese-Born Temple Prof | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oktcvo ) [00:37]
pete_dushenski nice :) [00:37]
asciilifeform http://www.phillymag.com/news/2015/05/22/temple-physics-chair-charged-with-passing-tech-to-china << has the indictment. [00:37]
assbot Temple Physics Chair Charged With Passing Tech to China | News | Philadelphia Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1Okti6i ) [00:37]
asciilifeform oh and, [00:38]
asciilifeform ianal, but breach of nda is a civil matter in usa. [00:38]
pete_dushenski makes sense [00:39]
asciilifeform i can see how they might have tried to nail him for misappropriation of pentagon money [00:39]
asciilifeform but that is not what he was accused of [00:39]
asciilifeform the indictment is for fraud [00:40]
asciilifeform note the attached 'civil forfeiture' action on last page. [00:41]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla qntra for ya :) http://dpaste.com/3A6Y046.txt [02:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:06]
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pete_dushenski Bingo_VACAY: i'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you're away atm and that there's no point in sending you the same piece [02:07]
pete_dushenski !up Bingo_VACAY [02:07]
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mircea_popescu "4. You think it’s pretty unfair that women effectively work from 4 November until the end of the year for free because of the gender pay gap; and that female managers “work for free” for nearly two hours a day; and that the pay gap is even wider for women of colour and disabled women." [02:26]
mircea_popescu eh the fucking bullshit. [02:26]
mircea_popescu women ACTUALLY TAKE NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER OFF! [02:26]
mircea_popescu it's not that they show up to work and still take home less money. [02:26]
pete_dushenski more bater eh. [02:27]
mircea_popescu it's that they do not show up for work, they get the same per hour pay (which on the strength of that alone they should not, for the record, as i'm not paying the same an hour the guy who works 16 hours and the gal that works 6.5) and so logically at the end of the year they get less. [02:27]
mircea_popescu holy shit this fatass notion of equality for some things only. [02:27]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rddtw6uMNoo << more equalitarianism : fatknee'd naomi klein [02:32]
assbot Classic Ali G Show compilation - Best bits - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6E54X ) [02:32]
mircea_popescu "i used to be an entrepreneur but then i took a fatter to the knee" [02:34]
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mircea_popescu http://phys.org/news/2015-09-israeli-mini-scanner-food-pills.html on the vaguely interesting fishwrapper front. [02:38]
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punkman "does not need physical contact with the substance being tested because it uses a beam of light in what is known as Near Infrared Spectroscopy." [02:42]
punkman they did this scam on kickstarter already [02:43]
pete_dushenski http://phys.org/news/2015-09-snapshot-americans-knowledge-science.html << lulz found while browsing same site [02:44]
assbot A snapshot of Americans' knowledge about science ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6Eog1 ) [02:44]
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punkman oh the israelis are also on kickstarter [02:45]
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mircea_popescu myeah [02:47]
cazalla pete_dushenski, done [02:47]
deedbot- [Qntra] Xiaoxing Xi isn't a Chinese spy after all - http://qntra.net/2015/09/xiaoxing-xi-isnt-a-chinese-spy-after-all/ [02:48]
pete_dushenski huzzah [02:48]
mircea_popescu I think that the real situation in American mathematical education is even worse than TIMSS shows [02:50]
mircea_popescu because TIMSS followed the anti-theoretical bias of American educators. By “theory” I don’t mean [02:50]
mircea_popescu anything too advanced. Let me give an example. When I was in high school, we studied the quadratic [02:50]
mircea_popescu function in a rather complete manner. In particular it was obligatory for all Russian schools to teach [02:50]
mircea_popescu children to derive the formula for roots of a quadratic equation ax2 + bx + c = 0 , to prove that the [02:50]
mircea_popescu sum of roots equals −b/a and that their product equals c/a and to use these facts to factorize the [02:50]
mircea_popescu trinomial. Most American students whom I ever met were not even aware of most of these facts. [02:50]
mircea_popescu lord have mercy... what DO they do ? [02:51]
mircea_popescu nothing says 9th grade quite like b/2a [02:51]
mircea_popescu " E.g., my graduate students in differential geometry could calculate quite hard integrals to know the area or the length of a curve but were not able to answer the question what the geometric sense of the roots of the quadratic equation x^2 − 2Hx + K = 0 is, where H and K are the average and the Gaussian curvature of a surface." [02:53]
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mircea_popescu i mean for fucks sake, what's even the point of knowing math like that [02:53]
mircea_popescu what's the fun in this ? [02:53]
pete_dushenski http://www.pewresearch.org/quiz/science-knowledge/ << "The median was eight correct answers out of 12 (mean 7.9). The data show that adults with higher education levels are more likely to answer questions about science correctly. Men score an average of 8.6 out of 12 correct answers, compared with women's 7.3 correct answers.Whites score a mean of 8.4 items out of 12 correct, compared with 7.1 among Hispanics an [02:55]
pete_dushenski d 5.9 among blacks. [02:55]
assbot Science Knowledge Quiz | Pew Research Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6ELqP ) [02:55]
mircea_popescu blacks are doing worse in 2015 than they did in 1965. [02:56]
mircea_popescu thank you mustachjioed nigger what's his name, you totally helped those people [02:56]
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pete_dushenski only 6% of 'representative sample' correctly answered all 12 questions [02:57]
pete_dushenski mlk jr. [02:57]
mircea_popescu more million man marches plox, clearly they fix problems. [02:57]
mircea_popescu https://secure.img-cdn.mediaplex.com/0/3484/177243/300x250_paypal_core_safer_faster_en_acq_v2.jpg << holy shit paypal is actually buying advertising now! [03:00]
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mircea_popescu fuckers are gonna die. [03:00]
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pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3grpEuAamfA << misses first bit of clip, but gist remains [03:01]
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mircea_popescu heh [03:03]
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mircea_popescu "When I came to America, I taught several classes of problem solving and started to appreciate much more the basic education, because my new students dramatically lacked it. They understood advanced ideas but floundered in algebraic transformations, which turned solution of interesting problems into painful struggle with basics." [03:10]
mircea_popescu Oh, god. Such pain and suffering. When I took usian slavegirls, attempts to discuss art and philosophy and so forth quickly floundered over a basic inability to remember sentences and build logic trees, which resulted in beatings and many tearful hours spent over grammatical analysis of sentences. Something they should have spend their 12th and 13th year of life on, back before anyone could possibly want to fuck them, [03:10]
mircea_popescu under the guard of some old prune too dessicated to fuck them in the first place. Not waste MY fucking time with it. [03:10]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1270990 << this is fucking ridiculous. [03:16]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 03:24:57; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: you around ? can you educate me on what the nytimes is referring to here : "The schematics, prosecutors said, revealed the design of a device known as a pocket heater. The equipment is used in semiconductor research, and Dr. Xi had signed an agreement promising to keep its design a secret." [03:16]
mircea_popescu so : some chemical reactions are strongly exothermic (they give out heat). aluminum salts chief among them. [03:16]
mircea_popescu the idea to use this as a heat source is older than the aeroplane. i had perfectly functional schematics in books published in the fucking 60s. [03:17]
mircea_popescu the utility of the process in various industrial lines is due to the relative high heat, readily controllable total energy and relatively low latency. [03:17]
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mircea_popescu it is, however, very inefficient (ie, costs a lot more per joule than pretty much any alternative) [03:18]
mircea_popescu "The idea to teach fractals in school has already found many supporters. (Everything is possible for those who are not competent enough to understand how difficult it is.)" << heh. "But fractals are cool man, like the universe's all connected and everything" [03:20]
pete_dushenski "it's the game ~within~ the game, bro" [03:20]
mircea_popescu "I asked several school teachers who were enthusiastic about teaching fractals to define a fractal and none of them mentioned the idea of dimension, least defined it. Usually they emphasized “repeating patterns”. When I asked why they were not satisfied with wall-paper, they took offence." << yes, because who needs to take a breather and think when they could take offence instead and flail! [03:21]
mircea_popescu but yes, the man has a point. fractals aren't for everyone. just like bitcoin isn't for everyone. [03:21]
mircea_popescu if you want fractals, first go away and get rich i mean, figure out what a number is, then come back [03:21]
mircea_popescu (i am not even all that keen on toom's obviously very geometric take on fractals. they're an analytic construct, which yes can be graphed, like any other function. you don't need "dimensions", you need numeric theory.) [03:22]
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mircea_popescu "The authors of “standards” want to reform American mathematical education, but actually only aggravate its main shortcoming: vain ambitions and contempt for consistent, systematic and thorough study." << this is a societal problem. Obama is not an accident, but an archetype. [03:26]
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mircea_popescu but since toom mentioned the fractal problem, let us consult the web. because the web knows shit, right ? all human knowledge, accessible to everyone etc, right ? [03:28]
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mircea_popescu "fractal Definiciones web Un fractal es un objeto geométrico cuya estructura básica, fragmentada o irregular, se repite a diferentes escalas. El término fue propuesto por el matemático Benoît Mandelbrot en 1975 y deriva del Latín fractus," blablabla. [03:28]
mircea_popescu "así ¿por qué no papel pintado ?" [03:29]
mircea_popescu crickets. [03:29]
mircea_popescu deafening crickets. or should i say grillos. [03:29]
mircea_popescu but perhaps the spanish speakers are retarded, right ? [03:29]
mircea_popescu "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..." [03:30]
mircea_popescu fucking spare me already. [03:30]
mircea_popescu the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION [03:31]
mircea_popescu not to mention that the number 1, as well as the number 0 and the number 78 are "self-similar" on all scales, in a technical sense or not. [03:31]
mircea_popescu and so is f(x) = x/this guy's IQ. for crying out loud. [03:32]
mircea_popescu "A fractal is a natural phenomenon or a mathematical set that exhibits a repeating pattern that displays at every scale." via en.wikipedia. or in fucking definitions, THIS IS ALLOWED NOW! [03:37]
mircea_popescu in what fucking alternate universe may a definition include the word "or" [03:37]
mircea_popescu "natural phenomena" ? "pattern" ? bejesus. [03:38]
mircea_popescu "A fractal is a figure with repeating patterns containing shapes that are like the whole but of different sizes throughout." [03:39]
mircea_popescu "An object whose parts, at infinitely many levels of magnification, appear geometrically similar to the whole. Fractals are used in the design of compact antennas and for computer modeling of natural-looking structures like clouds and trees." [03:39]
mircea_popescu the internet is fucking useless. [03:39]
mircea_popescu From: Boris Subject: Fractals What is the definition of a fractal? [03:40]
mircea_popescu From: Doctor Douglas Subject: Re: Fractals Hi Boris. The key idea in the definition of fractal is "self-similarity". What this means is that the object looks the same no matter what power magnifying glass you use to view it. [03:40]
mircea_popescu doctor in eating roadkill, this douglas. [03:40]
mircea_popescu "A fractal is a never-ending pattern" quoth "fractalfoundation.org". [03:41]
mircea_popescu scammers. [03:41]
mircea_popescu jesus fucking christ no english speaker can produce a definition of this concept. [03:41]
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mircea_popescu see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't. [03:44]
mircea_popescu and with this observation, the world as observed suddenly makes significantly more sense. [03:44]
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mircea_popescu (ironically, the concept can be correctly introduced - if one's willing to take the geometric route, and in so doing miss out on most understanding available in the topic - by first explaining what a tangent is and then demaning a closed continuous curve be drawn that allows no tangents. good enough for a bright 12yo, plus minus. but otherwise, fractals are of analytical rather than geometrical interest.) [03:53]
mircea_popescu (and if you're doing that, pretty much every bright 12 yo kid has been playing mentally with the peano curve while taking a shit and following the tiling, but didn't know it's called that. so you could of course tell him.) [03:55]
mircea_popescu (and once you've done that you're right over on cantor's doorstep and so forth. this might even be the best way to even introduce numbers altogether.) [03:56]
mod6 not even close to done yet, but these ascii graphs look kinda neat: http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt [04:00]
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mircea_popescu o hey mod6 ! [04:04]
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mircea_popescu cool stuff [04:04]
mod6 thx, havin some fun :] [04:05]
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mod6 I created this basic svg graph map of all vpatches to modified files. lol, thing is huge. ridiculous looking. [04:08]
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trinque ^ restart test [04:10]
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mod6 nice [04:11]
trinque gonna fiddle with it a bit, but yeah, I'm getting a little observer going that'll go kick him in the ass when appropriate [04:11]
mircea_popescu but ipso custodes! [04:11]
trinque weechat seems to do better about knowing when to reconnect [04:12]
trinque so this will keep the guy going until I find time to write a better IRC handling core [04:12]
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* mod6 to bed, have a nice evening all. [04:16]
trinque gnite [04:16]
mircea_popescu In fact, even the term “word problem” is not used in Russia, because the word “problem” usually means a word problem, while non-word problems are called “exercises”. << exactly correct ftr. the difference was even enshrined as such, in the ro equiv of "standards" cca 60s. [04:17]
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mircea_popescu and so all the books were called "exercitii si probleme" or "probleme si exercitii" [04:21]
mircea_popescu ;;google "exercitii si probleme" [04:21]
gribble Exercitii matematica clasa 3: ; Teste de Matematica | Teste la Limba Romana pentru clasele primare: ; 1000 exercitii si probleme. Culegere de matematica pentru clasa I: [04:21]
mircea_popescu and of course the lactating mother of all secundary mathematical education in romanian : https://www.scribd.com/doc/178423619/G-Gheba-Exercitii-Si-Probleme-de-Matematica-Pentru-Clasele-v-IX [04:22]
assbot G. Gheba - Exercitii Si Probleme de Matematica Pentru Clasele v-IX ... ( http://bit.ly/1VT6AEy ) [04:23]
mircea_popescu i don't think as many people lived the bible as a whetstone in their life during the whole history of christianity [04:23]
mircea_popescu as the headcount of romanian kids toiling with gheba during five decades. [04:23]
trinque it does seem that the english speaking world's ability to define anything meaningfully is deteriorating, fractals included. [04:29]
trinque I believe you've made the point many times in your work that language creation/alteration is *not* for everyone. [04:29]
trinque and that's exactly what we've done, more ways than matter to list [04:29]
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mircea_popescu im not even sure it's any sort of alteration above and beyond simple decay through disuse. [04:36]
mircea_popescu byzantium when it fell to the turks was 4-5 villages lost among pastures surrounded by ancient walls, and american english is similarly a huge complex architecture maitnained by the remnants of a leper colony [04:37]
* mircea_popescu is naming his heroes in this game, and he decided all the thieves get stripper names (for obvious reasons) that start with the letter c. [04:39]
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* mircea_popescu got through ~4 before going to the internet. [04:39]
* mircea_popescu discovered he had got candi and candice on his very own! [04:39]
trinque haha [04:39]
trinque brandi [04:39]
mircea_popescu i also have cherysse which apparently is my own invention [04:39]
mircea_popescu b is the new c ? [04:39]
trinque whoops, lol [04:39]
mircea_popescu shit chastity i shoulda thoiught oif that! [04:39]
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mircea_popescu ty internets. you might not know wtf fractals are, but you certainly spring the goods when it comes to naming strippers. [04:40]
mircea_popescu mon etrange oncle l'internet. [04:40]
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punkman ;;later tell asciilifeform my ugly solution to patch conflicts http://dpaste.com/03TADM8 [05:20]
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phf mircea_popescu: iirc that was before ukraine. << that was indeed before ukraine. i saw a few of my well trained, but otherwise bummy friends with "business" go oh well party is over and switch to sberbank financial analyst positions or somesuch. [07:05]
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phf last time i was there, friends lamented that you can't get real parmesan for real pasta and have to make do with inferior russian knockoffs. if i make it to moscow in the next few weeks, will be curious to see where the whole party is at now. [07:08]
phf but splurging on the latest iphone is definitely the last thing on their minds [07:10]
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punkman http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9628942/if-you-want-a-genuinely-humane-approach-to-refugees-follow-tony-abbotts-australia/ [07:19]
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phf ascii_field: mircea_popescu: go give ben_vulpes a unix and laptop co-designed with it, then he can throw away the crapple << there's three apples in my mind, 90s one, the early 2000s one when programmers migrated from linux to a unix that Just Works, and the post iphone explosion apple. the first two are dead (10.10 is the final reason i froze my setup and migrating my entire stack away). but my point is that maybe you guys are just arguin [07:21]
phf g second vs. third [07:21]
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mircea_popescu well on the other front, i just got taken to the only actual pizzeria in buenos aires [07:33]
mircea_popescu there's >10k dubious establishments that pretend all sorts of things, up to and including HAVING INVENTED THE DAMNED THING, but otherwise never saw one. [07:34]
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cazalla what is your position on pepperoni on pizza mircea_popescu ? [07:43]
mircea_popescu depends on the pizza. [07:43]
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cazalla for those who never read (and now watch) maddox on pizza https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=13&v=u5AZhjhbxf8 [07:43]
assbot Pepperoni is for assholes and idiots. - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LpF9ut ) [07:44]
phf you mean like a bell pepper pizza? [07:44]
punkman I'd rather have bacon than pepperoni [07:45]
mircea_popescu i somehow doubt people who call salami "pepperoni" ever had proper salami anyway. [07:47]
phf mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html‎ A fractal is an object or quantity that displays " << wolfram's "new kind of science" is all about "this one thing i generated kind of looks like this complicated process, maybe they are related? i feel like they are!" [07:48]
mircea_popescu but no, you're not supposed to eat american processed meats, if that's actually what you had in mind. if what you had in mind was actual salami, say with peppercorns or something... sure. [07:49]
mircea_popescu phf they can go discover the moscow school of psychology for all i fucking care. idiots. [07:49]
cazalla tbh was more trying to bait you into a maddox is the best/worst discussion [07:51]
mircea_popescu aok then. F. [07:51]
mircea_popescu you mean like a bell pepper pizza? << absurdly the us figure spicy salami can be propperly called "pepperoni", which is normally a veggie. [07:53]
punkman mircea_popescu: so what's your favorite pizza? [07:53]
mircea_popescu mmm. i dun think so. [07:53]
mircea_popescu most recently i've had white pizza with fried chicken and artichoke and margherita with extra anchovies [07:54]
cazalla i'm not even sure if you can buy proper meats like prosciutto down under [07:54]
mircea_popescu the former home made because srsly i have never seen a restaurant that made edible white pizza [07:55]
punkman white pizza, cream instead of tomato sauce? [07:55]
mircea_popescu bechamel [07:55]
punkman never seen that in a shop indeed, sounds like a good idea [07:56]
mircea_popescu ;) [07:56]
punkman I have some kilos of artichoke hearts in the freezer [07:56]
mircea_popescu cut the chicken in very long thin strips and butter fry them lightly, can also add sautee'd eggplant [07:57]
mircea_popescu (if you sautee the eggplant first, then you use the butter to sauce...) [07:57]
punkman kitchen oven usually doesn't cut it for pizza [07:58]
mircea_popescu stick a slab of somerock or other in the oven [07:58]
mircea_popescu in spite of pretense to the contrary, nobody can tell teh difference. [07:59]
mircea_popescu you just can't do it on a metal surface is all. [07:59]
punkman not too hard to find a proper stone oven around here, though I don't have one at home [08:01]
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punkman http://www.sbs.com.au/food/recipes/stuffed-eggplants-bechamel-papoutsakia [08:09]
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punkman and some spanish lulz http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/10/barcelona-fines-banks-60000-for-empty-homes [08:11]
assbot Barcelona fines banks €60,000 for empty homes | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol1WwV ) [08:11]
punkman https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIrCnruWEAE8_Dx.jpg:large [08:12]
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mircea_popescu a classic. [08:17]
mircea_popescu (also, the proposed device does not actually work. the female ass is exactly antithetical to the steel ball. negative ricochet factor. fortunately.) [08:17]
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shinohai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271131 <<< <3 weechat [09:09]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271245 <<< you misspelled thrice cursed dog. [17:29]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 13:59:29; asciilifeform: shinohai: supposedly 'foreign devil's shill worked for american corp under false pretences, stealing everything and laughing all the way to the bank' [17:29]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271265 << aha. [17:30]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 14:21:00; funkenstein_: bravo re: fractals are everywhere continuous nowhere differentiable [17:30]
mircea_popescu which... you know, i slept on this, and it occurs to me that ACTUAL MATHEMATICS might be the perfect thing to implement over V. [17:30]
mircea_popescu now if only i was in prison and i had the fucking undisturbed time to actually do this. [17:31]
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mircea_popescu but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species. [17:32]
asciilifeform l0lwut [17:32]
mircea_popescu yes! [17:32]
asciilifeform it's just a bloody graph walker [17:32]
asciilifeform where is this magic mircea_popescu sees. [17:32]
mircea_popescu with verified antecedents. [17:32]
mircea_popescu that you can follow as far as you wish [17:32]
asciilifeform there are no guarantees of correctness, only provenance. [17:33]
mircea_popescu a half-baked implementation of V is what i had been maintaining in my head throughout my schooling years. [17:33]
mircea_popescu that's all that's needed. [17:33]
asciilifeform pretty much what everyone does, aha. [17:33]
mircea_popescu so then there's the magic. [17:33]
mircea_popescu the magic of fully inclusive simplicity. [17:33]
asciilifeform then yes. [17:33]
asciilifeform but nobody had to wait for the proggy to do this, all thinking people have done it always. [17:34]
mircea_popescu dude, nobody had to wait for glass to do chemistry either [17:34]
asciilifeform l0l [17:34]
mircea_popescu thinking people had meta-glass throughout! [17:34]
asciilifeform pottery is almost glass for almost any purpose not involving optics... [17:34]
mircea_popescu or reuse. [17:35]
asciilifeform aha [17:35]
mircea_popescu more like d'oh. [17:35]
mircea_popescu corpses are almost pregnant women for almost any purposes [17:35]
mircea_popescu everyone eventually dies anyway rite. [17:35]
* asciilifeform falls down [17:35]
asciilifeform and perhaps now mircea_popescu figured out how i got on my 'computer algebra' kick in recent months. [17:36]
mircea_popescu problem is the people giving the latter peripueral fever didn't really realise [17:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform hey, i fucking mentioned derive okay! [17:36]
asciilifeform aha [17:36]
mircea_popescu I AM AHEAD OF YOU HA-HA! [17:36]
asciilifeform not only mentioned, but got to derive slightly before i did ! [17:36]
mircea_popescu this is starting to feel like fucking highschool all over again. shit, i missed that. [17:37]
mircea_popescu b-a philosopher's stone. [17:37]
mircea_popescu i am now young again. [17:37]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform the point re peripueral fever is important. see, the people DIDNT KNOW pottery is no good for reuse. so couldn't get to chemistry. guess why ? [17:40]
mircea_popescu for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts [17:40]
mircea_popescu which in chemistry happen to be pure reagents. [17:40]
mircea_popescu so they ended up with an exact equivalent of "idiosyncratic medium, creative artistry" [17:40]
mircea_popescu which is to say, fucking divination and assorted theatrical bullshit. [17:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271268 <<< fuicking americans. "i name this land This Land it is therefore my own now". [17:42]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 14:22:29; funkenstein_: "a number like 2 is a rank zero tensor, now you know tensors" [17:42]
mircea_popescu ontogenesis repeats all the accidents of phylogenesis in a distorted, cursed form. [17:43]
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shinohai http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34229439 <<< Obame declares attacks "unacceptable", continues to use Windows. [17:48]
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cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271247 <<< ya, i do [17:48]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 14:00:49; nubbins`: any of you nerds own a nintendo 3ds? [17:48]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271252 <<< sky3ds is even better version! [17:49]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271635 << almost exact restatement of my 'yc news' comment turd from decade ago, aha [17:50]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 20:38:00; mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts [17:50]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform intended reference to it. [17:50]
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asciilifeform 'But he said that China should fear confrontation online: "I guarantee you we will win if we have to."' << l0l!! [17:53]
asciilifeform mein fuhrer, revoke the untermenschen scum's winblowz licenses ! [17:53]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [17:54]
mircea_popescu who the fuck is this guy again ? [17:54]
shinohai xD [17:54]
mircea_popescu i have a dead sand nigger on file, but his name was spelled differently. [17:54]
asciilifeform muppet in chief. [17:54]
mircea_popescu so was the reported death exaggerated or the name misspelled or what gives. [17:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271281 << you can try all you want, i've seen mod6 's portable openbsd. so has ben_vulpes [17:57]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 15:47:45; asciilifeform: i did try to explain this to mircea_popescu [17:57]
asciilifeform on ancient shitbook [17:57]
mircea_popescu there is nothing magical about "portable" [17:57]
asciilifeform ah but there is. [17:57]
mircea_popescu what, you needed to render the film of fucking stoya in your hotel room ? [17:57]
asciilifeform if you need 4K lcd [17:57]
mircea_popescu i must have missed this, when did she gatecrash. [17:58]
asciilifeform kakobrekla also explained, non-ips lcd is agony to look at. [17:58]
* mircea_popescu won't have it. [17:58]
* asciilifeform works with items such as logic analyzer, pc emulators, etc. and ~needs~ 16-32 GB of ram, for instance, and the fastest cpu available. and yes, it has to be portable. [17:59]
asciilifeform and no, i don't crypto on it. [17:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271285 << i hear emplacing a workstation is the first step to building a Dark Spire of Darnkess, from which as we all know all atomic dirigibles must proceed. [18:00]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 15:49:14; ben_vulpes: i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it. [18:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if i actualy had to do that i'd hire a mexican to drag a desktop and use special cabling before i'd use a fucking proprietary laptop. [18:00]
mircea_popescu i want to own my own mexicans. [18:00]
asciilifeform this a contradiction in terms because a mircea_popescu, with his slave army, would never be in such a position to begin with. [18:01]
mircea_popescu why not ? i might have to logic analyze [18:01]
mircea_popescu it's really vice-versa. [18:01]
mircea_popescu it's not "this is moot to mp, with army of slaves". it's "he who refuses to buy into, can't help but end up with army of slaves". [18:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu presumably wouldn't do it unless it were sufficiently profitable to justify flying a 'spruice goose' with mobile lab. [18:02]
asciilifeform whereas my economic output is barely enough to justify 'own weight in pork.' [18:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271293 << ironically these are all the reasons i never moved from bash to perl. [18:02]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 15:52:48; ben_vulpes: Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like." [18:02]
mircea_popescu what the everloving fuck the undeclared function of if. [18:02]
asciilifeform gotta love all the other undeclared idiocy in perl [18:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's another way to say im inefficient :) [18:03]
asciilifeform like the 'implicit variable' [18:03]
mircea_popescu what's that ? [18:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://perlmaven.com/the-default-variable-of-perl << it [18:03]
assbot $_ the default variable of Perl ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4lOSn ) [18:04]
mircea_popescu o hey check it out, a magic letter. [18:04]
asciilifeform aha, just like dear old fortran [18:04]
asciilifeform but messier [18:04]
mircea_popescu why is this there, convenience ? [18:05]
mircea_popescu is support mandated throughout the whole namespace ? can i assume randomfunction knows of $_ ? [18:05]
asciilifeform larry wall is a very interesting fella. he's a linguist by trade (actually by avocation, he's a crackpot missionary for some church or other) [18:06]
asciilifeform he wanted an item that would 'be like human language' [18:06]
asciilifeform in particular, with regard to extreme context-sensitivity. [18:06]
asciilifeform and yes, it is mandated (though one may be able to pull some odd trick with the evaluator and snip it, i would be the last to know) [18:06]
* asciilifeform 'hurled' many years ago, no longer perls. [18:07]
mircea_popescu you can actually use this to obtain code that compiles to different results can't you ? [18:07]
asciilifeform perl is (approximately) interpreted. [18:07]
asciilifeform (or i suppose 'jit'-compiled in recent versions) [18:07]
asciilifeform but yes, it is the ultimate in obfuscation and nobody-knows-what-the-fuck-the-machine-does [18:08]
mircea_popescu but nevertheless $_ can take the value of being a function [18:08]
asciilifeform could, yes. [18:08]
mircea_popescu so then the result of compiling perl is undecidable ? [18:08]
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mircea_popescu i guess it would have to be interpreted. [18:09]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: 'just in time' compilator is something like a memoized interpreter, yes. [18:10]
mircea_popescu aha. [18:10]
mircea_popescu compilator lol [18:10]
mircea_popescu for asciilifeform won't deign to call that thing a compiler [18:10]
mircea_popescu gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear) [18:11]
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phf afair perl uses multiple namespaces, so $ is explicitly a storage space, i.e. a variable [18:12]
mircea_popescu the idea being exactly reproducibility. [18:12]
mircea_popescu phf you mean a number not a pointer, and using it to be a function is abuse ? [18:13]
phf it's a pointer alright, but if you were to store a function in there, you have to use special syntax to execute it [18:14]
mircea_popescu http://imgur.com/hAj0gCT << very illustrative in the vein of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262882 [18:14]
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assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 22:33:02; assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the b [18:14]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271714 << sorta like 'programmer' vs 'coder' in english-speaking lands... [18:15]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear) [18:15]
mircea_popescu no, the local boys don't need zee german. they are perfecty of age, and perfectly capable to split the goods themselves, which includes the women, which includes his wife. [18:15]
mircea_popescu ty for dropping by tho [18:15]
mircea_popescu should be fun to see merkel try and tax them. [18:16]
asciilifeform tax them ?! l0l! they are the reason ~others~ are to be taxed. [18:16]
phf $_=sub() {print 'hello';} but then $_->() to call [18:17]
phf it is sad that i have this information stored somewhere in my brain, and that it eventually can be recalled with some prodding [18:17]
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mircea_popescu phf ok so it is actually separated linguistically. [18:19]
mircea_popescu what if i make the program branch, and then load itself as $_ ? [18:19]
phf right, there are different namespaces for different kinds of data, like $ is a scalar, @ is a collection, & is a callable, i'm sure other things i forget [18:20]
mircea_popescu o hey even better, i use & [18:20]
mircea_popescu &=sub(if microsecond time is prime, output [this program but with microsecond+1 tested] ; else if microsecond time si not prime, output [this program]) [18:21]
gribble Error: "this" is not a valid command. [18:21]
phf hehe [18:21]
mircea_popescu then execute it with itself as parameter [18:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3800 @ 0.00075494 = 2.8688 BTC [-] [18:22]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu would probably enjoy abelson & sussman's classic 'sicp', which contained, in very succinct notation, exercises such as this. [18:23]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but at least that thing compiles to a fixed form. [18:23]
asciilifeform depends on what. [18:23]
phf or the little lisper for that matter [18:24]
asciilifeform scheme with continuations (call-with-current-continuation aka call/cc) doesn't cleanly compile to the c-machine. [18:24]
phf which was particularly oriented towards computation is data is computation [18:24]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out. << lmao "taler", who the fuck came up with that one. but anyway, no. they are weak and know they're weak. throwing shit at wall to see if maybe sticks but in no case admitting ownership. so... no. [18:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it was nyoozworthy because fsf/rms [18:25]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that is kinda why i was mocking the "lisp as its own thing" thing days back [18:25]
asciilifeform have capitulated. (or this is implied, i have not asked them why it is 'part of gnu project) [18:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i said 'does not cleanly compile', that is, requires a runtime component, rather than 'does not compile' [18:26]
mircea_popescu im not bothering with rms anymoar. prolly like the libc improvements, he doesn't understand what it is and whatever, more words to put on website [18:26]
mircea_popescu "Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market." lmao ok. here's a news tidbit : so called "black market" IS the mainstream economy. [18:27]
mircea_popescu the govt sponsored ponzis are not economies to begin with. [18:28]
mircea_popescu but whatever, this point needn't be decided theoretically now, seeing how it'll be decided practically in just a few years anyway. [18:28]
asciilifeform nobody ever actually learns from 'decided practically.' [18:29]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform i do not wish to teach. [18:29]
mircea_popescu i am satisfied with hurting and selecting. [18:30]
asciilifeform how did that go in ro? are there no plankton today ? no ponzi ? [18:30]
asciilifeform or did the spores left behind suffice to re-create 90% of it. [18:30]
mircea_popescu i'll tell you what it did. allow me to bring the illustration, one second. [18:30]
mircea_popescu http://41.media.tumblr.com/67b07a8bf5e1a23077a918caada9f192/tumblr_mzv6n6R30a1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg [18:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4nbAx ) [18:33]
mircea_popescu romanians, to this day, WILL NOT QUEUE. [18:33]
mircea_popescu the girl, being too young, thinks this is a bad thing, because romanians are thus so observably different from the "more civilised" assorted cattles of europe. [18:33]
asciilifeform strikes me as the classic orc/human divide [18:33]
mircea_popescu i know better than that. i expect so do you. [18:34]
mircea_popescu mno. it is not. [18:34]
asciilifeform witness the orderly queues of tokyo [18:34]
asciilifeform what do they lose, from it [18:34]
asciilifeform the freedom to brownian-motion ? [18:34]
mircea_popescu yeah. [18:34]
asciilifeform where was that mircea_popescu article about the old jail [18:34]
asciilifeform the one with 'height of tallest structure that can be built' [18:34]
mircea_popescu the notion that a queue is an acceptable situation is more enmitous to humanity than any other mental device. [18:34]
mircea_popescu for instance, the argentinians : they are definitely orcs. they queue perfectly well. [18:35]
mircea_popescu there's strictly no reaction between the bovine quality and the feline quality. [18:35]
asciilifeform there are different grades of orc, no? [18:35]
mircea_popescu orthogonal, not opposites. [18:35]
asciilifeform hm [18:36]
mircea_popescu no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore. [18:36]
* asciilifeform predicts that all orcs happily form queues when they are issued 'ipNohe' [18:37]
asciilifeform to play tetris on. [18:37]
asciilifeform one of the reasons they are popular in usa. [18:37]
shinohai Don't be hatin on Tetris asciilifeform [18:37]
asciilifeform a train station or even traffic jam is a kaleidoscope of little glowing screens ! [18:37]
mircea_popescu and you propose to defend this behaviour or what am i missing ? [18:37]
asciilifeform merely predicting [18:37]
mircea_popescu well, the romanians have ipods like any other marginal civilised place : well in excessd of need. [18:38]
mircea_popescu still won't queue. [18:38]
mircea_popescu so yes, that's what it did. [18:38]
asciilifeform interesting. when i went to c2, i did not see any crowd dense enough to even think about queues, so can't say i saw it alive. [18:39]
mircea_popescu and it goes directly to the previously hinted thing re sicily, ie http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-09-2015#1270273 [18:39]
assbot Logged on 11-09-2015 10:00:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269929 << that's rank nonsense, but the exact discussion of why and how "studies" about sicily aren't worth the paper they're printed on is too long for me now [18:39]
asciilifeform but will believe. [18:39]
mircea_popescu you can obviously either have independence or the fake growth of govt sponsored ponzi participation. [18:39]
mircea_popescu you can't have both. [18:39]
mircea_popescu look that sicily hasn't fallen into the ocean, like syria hasn't, like etc. [18:39]
mircea_popescu look that iraq is still there. [18:39]
asciilifeform 'the art of not being governed' was half about this and specifically this. [18:40]
asciilifeform scholars from 'civilization' think in terms of bizarre chimeras like 'failed state' [18:40]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well i didn't take you to the subway and i guess you didn't have the curiosity to go on own hm. [18:40]
asciilifeform which is a euphemism for freedom. [18:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: everybody was in the fscking church [18:40]
mircea_popescu aha. what state has failed ? austro hungary failed. soviet russia failed. soon the us will have failed. [18:40]
mircea_popescu leaving behind... the things that were always there. [18:41]
mircea_popescu meanwhile california is just about to fall into the fucking ocean. oddly enough. problems it didn't have as a "failed state", it has in abundance as a whatever it is. [18:42]
mircea_popescu successful nonstate i guess. [18:42]
asciilifeform if ca were to drown overnight, it could extend the empire's lease on life by many years... [18:43]
mircea_popescu you're thinking the people. [18:43]
asciilifeform aha [18:43]
mircea_popescu whereas sicily is not the people, it is "the land". [18:43]
mircea_popescu in a very peculiar sense that includes the sea, which is a large part of why i think la tera trema such a major point in art. [18:44]
asciilifeform very sharp emphasis on this in jp [18:44]
mircea_popescu https://gnunet.org/ev << relatively little relation to rms/fsf. our friends the diddled in diddly-germany. [18:48]
assbot Verein zur Förderung von GNUnet e.V. | GNUnet ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4nOdy ) [18:48]
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mircea_popescu this is unrelated. [18:49]
mircea_popescu just some derpy project manager at some derpy french state taxburner feeling uppity. [18:49]
asciilifeform ah hm. [18:49]
mircea_popescu (Institut National de Recherche en Informatique et en Automatique) [18:49]
mircea_popescu http://grothoff.org/christian/grothoff.jpg << this fellow specifically. [18:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1M4nPxZ ) [18:50]
asciilifeform inria is a kind of burned out husk of something great, sorta like mit [18:50]
mircea_popescu well the comparison is u of maryland [18:50]
asciilifeform one of the few and abortive lisp strongholds in eu [18:50]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271119 << perl, 'graph-easy' ?? [18:54]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 06:57:48; mod6: not even close to done yet, but these ascii graphs look kinda neat: http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt [18:54]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271097 << maths are not for the 'agricultural faces.' [18:56]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 06:28:45; mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION [18:56]
asciilifeform any more than music, or bitcoin, or particle physic, or, or. [18:57]
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mircea_popescu romanian being, "fata de impins vagoane". [18:57]
asciilifeform 'train propulsion face' ? [18:57]
asciilifeform l0l [18:57]
mircea_popescu railcar pushing face. [18:57]
mircea_popescu somehow this doesn't carry in translation, but in the original the very strong implicit bias is that the pushing is to be done with the very face in question. [18:58]
asciilifeform how else ??!!! [18:59]
asciilifeform i can't picture it any other way [18:59]
mircea_popescu in english the bias is more towards gunnery sgt hartmann's "gimme your war face". [18:59]
mircea_popescu which would be "the face you make while being engaged in war" not "the very face you shoot at people" [19:00]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va56WrfyKkE << ftr. [19:00]
assbot Gunnery Sgt. Hartman German/Deutsch - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kiql4z ) [19:00]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271113 << this. with the added step that some of us go to little outpost of 'where we do', surrounded by a gigantic soul-sucking vacuum of where nobody ever could remotely wish to. and hope that the airlock doesn't fail. [19:00]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 06:41:58; mircea_popescu: see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't. [19:00]
asciilifeform but yes, i too would like to 'go home to where we know what fractal is.' [19:01]
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mircea_popescu so teach the girl. [19:01]
asciilifeform i suppose this could be on the planet in poul anderson's 'brainwave.' but not on earth. [19:01]
mircea_popescu what the fuck are men for even, if not to teach the woman! [19:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: girl is well taught. [19:01]
mircea_popescu so then. [19:01]
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mircea_popescu phf: well, i have a 2.4 box that runs "if your dodgy stack fails, this must remain" operations, like email << this design hasn't been recently reviewed i would guess. [19:19]
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mircea_popescu "my gimp 1.2 is as good as your photoshop" rms style << i still maintain pretty much any version of gimp is better than photohsop. [19:20]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't work for "filthy casual" that wishes to pretend like he's doing serious work while really not doing much of anything. but otherwise, if you are actually goin gto do serious work, it is by far a better use of your time to work the parenscripts of gimp into the shape you need them to be with the guarantee you will be agle to get there, [19:21]
mircea_popescu than to derp around in a labirinth of ps "features" that aren't even exposed properly (you want me to... click ? seriously ?) and with a cvasi-guarantee you will not be able to do it, but have to settle on "this is how we do it in ps". [19:22]
mircea_popescu which settlement is the exact antithesis of art, for the record. [19:22]
mircea_popescu in other words, the only people who benefit from the "easier to use" iconographic interface of mcdonalds cash register are both illiterate and noit actually involved in the restaurant business. [19:23]
mircea_popescu yes, it's true that for a majority of people out there, the existence of the sandwich would stay a mystery lest they saw it drawn on a key on their cash register. [19:24]
mircea_popescu but those people are "lest concern" as they say about overrepresented, nuisance species. [19:24]
pete_dushenski https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTHYYg5050 << if you're not up for gimp, there's always 'ipad pro' with 'pencil' ;/ [19:25]
assbot Hands on: iPad Pro and Apple Pencil with Adobe Sketch, iOS 9 Markup - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkqK7 ) [19:25]
mircea_popescu or guitar hero. [19:25]
mircea_popescu people find it uncontroversial that lamp amp is better than cpu amp. i've seen people gush over 1990s state of the art computerized algebraic systems. [19:26]
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mircea_popescu yet somehow the point that there is no possibility of value even outside of gimp stays elusive. yet it's the same damned thing. [19:26]
pete_dushenski hey now, at least you save your scribblings on 'ipad pro'. guitar hero only gives high scores [19:26]
pete_dushenski !s lamp amp [19:27]
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cazalla gimp is pimp in otherwords and no fucking around with adobe activation and t3h cloud ver of photoshop [19:27]
pete_dushenski is there a cloud photoshop now ? [19:28]
phf i've realized that a lot of my systems anxiety comes from trying to be "filthy casual" with a lot of technology i have no business in. in my case comes from 90s tradition of buying all manner of pirated software on the way home from school. "today i'll learn 3ds max and tomorrow autocad" [19:28]
mircea_popescu and to settle this once and for all : http://minigame.bz/download_button.png << say i want this. here's the gimp script that does it : http://dpaste.com/22S0MW2 it's 20 years old by now. show me the ps equivalent. [19:28]
pete_dushenski for what, ipods with 8gb hds ? [19:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkMQO ) [19:29]
assbot dpaste: 22S0MW2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkKZ3 ) [19:29]
cazalla pete_dushenski, with added monthly subscription! [19:29]
cazalla http://www.adobe.com/au/creativecloud.html $49.99/month (AUD pricing, no doubt will be $5USD) [19:30]
assbot Software and services for creative professionals | Adobe Creative Cloud ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwkRUB ) [19:30]
pete_dushenski hey, if it works for iphn0e 6s.. [19:30]
pete_dushenski not cheap either eh [19:30]
pete_dushenski fuck stupid americans and their monthly everything payments [19:30]
mircea_popescu phf and there's nothing wrong with the process per se, as a distraction. but you have to admit the only way it was an acceptable behaviour when you were 16 was because YOU ALSO WENT OT SCHOOL. [19:30]
pete_dushenski "why own x when you can make payments for the rest of your life!" (tm) [19:31]
mircea_popescu had you just quit school to focus on your learning 3dmax full time like the retarded us kids, your dad'd have had your hide. [19:31]
phf quitting school? that's a paddling [19:31]
pete_dushenski what happened to old grandmas and grandpas who saved up and bought houses, cars, etc. ALL CASH [19:31]
mircea_popescu progress [19:32]
mircea_popescu phf i don't mean cutting class. i mean quitting. permanently. [19:32]
pete_dushenski right, finance your own future and that of your children = progress [19:32]
mircea_popescu principal calls parents over, ifnorms them that you told him you intend to quit school and he agrees, and you're henceforth expelled from all schools forever. [19:32]
mircea_popescu so they don't get in the way of autocad learnings! [19:32]
mircea_popescu and creativitits [19:33]
cazalla gotta go through bezzlar wringer of naughty boy schools, career counselling and other make work positions before principal gets the parents in the office mircea_popescu ,least that was my experience [19:34]
pete_dushenski this failing to compute really is through and through with usians, right from basic algebra up to software, hardware, the whole gammut, etfc. [19:34]
mircea_popescu cazalla specialised timewasters these people huh. [19:35]
phf i've cut classes plenty, but i don't think i've ever even contemplated quitting school, what am i going to do, sell lavash? it was kind of understood that people who were pushed out (never nobody quit because they wanted to) were losers [19:36]
cazalla mircea_popescu, yeah pretty much, could've left in 1997 but they managed to stretch it out to 1999 [19:36]
mircea_popescu well yeah. so that fixed formal pillar is WHAT ALLOWED benefit in the pursuit of "learning 3dmax" [19:36]
mircea_popescu cazalla note tho, that the school he went to, and the school you went to, were very different beasts. i suspect you'd have loved his. [19:37]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell trinque cheers ! [19:40]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:40]
* trinque tips hat [19:40]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell kakobrekla grazie ! [19:40]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:40]
kakobrekla prego [19:41]
pete_dushenski you guys are the best :) [19:41]
cazalla mircea_popescu, perhaps, mine was a shitty public school, missus was exclusive private and seems to be that is just another type of bezzle (all students must go to uni to get loaded up on debt type thing) [19:41]
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mircea_popescu cazalla from what i gather he went to russian public school in the 80s, which im sure is very close to romanian public school in the 80s, which has absolutely zero to do with anything you might call school in any perspective. [19:42]
mircea_popescu academically, it would be ivy league college. sexually, it would be u of arizona during spring break. socially it would be prison, except with regards to the adults it would be the 1960s paris uprising. [19:43]
trinque I went to a "magnet school" in TX, was bored out of my mind except for various acts of resistance through adolescence [19:43]
mircea_popescu out of these much too disparate elements i scarcely see how one who no fue ya could construct something whole in his head. [19:44]
trinque public university, same [19:44]
phf there's no equivalent in u.s., i've not seen anything remotely similar yet anyway. particularly those dedicated "nerd schools" [19:44]
mircea_popescu trinque throughout my hs i was what you'd call a honors student with ~1/3 attendance. [19:44]
mircea_popescu (which means i averaged ~10 hours a week) [19:45]
pete_dushenski shinohai: bottoms up :D [19:45]
trinque I was barely mentally present, near-perfect marks and a free ride into college [19:45]
trinque which was worth precisely zilch [19:45]
mircea_popescu nonono, i was mentally present [19:45]
mircea_popescu just wasn't physically there. [19:45]
trinque I was only permitted this in senior year, and unofficially [19:45]
trinque and only in the mornings [19:46]
mircea_popescu well i didn't ask anybody for permission. [19:46]
phf i had fake medical scripts.. [19:47]
trinque ^ [19:47]
trinque we got into some fun of that nature in the last two years. one can learn a lot about computers bored as hell in TX public school, if he's awake [19:47]
mircea_popescu but the real difficulty, is explaining the actual reality to people who already have been suplied a falsificating convention to misinterpret it with. like the case above discussed with the purpose of the railcar pushing face. [19:47]
mircea_popescu for instance : a guy i've recently talked to again after many years, who is now a reasonably respected thinker in his field, [19:48]
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mircea_popescu brought an airgun to school, and shot a nutsized hole in the blackboard. [19:48]
mircea_popescu a) nobody cared and b) this really was more in line with "chemistry experiment" than whatever orc derpage goes on in us ghetto. [19:48]
trinque not a terrorist charge eh? [19:49]
cazalla i brought a screwdriver in the early 90s.. confiscated, parents called [19:49]
mircea_popescu understand. it was a rifle. [19:49]
mircea_popescu with scope and all. [19:49]
trinque my friend was busted for precisely that, some kind of "cyber terrorism" for sending a joke threat email with the headers changed to look like it came from faculty [19:49]
cazalla flogged.. took a while for me to figure out my father did that not for anything related to taking the screwdriver to school [19:49]
mircea_popescu i suppose the only people in a similar position are the ex terrorist israelis. [19:50]
phf we brought these all through highschool, http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Osxvvm0Yu74/hqdefault.jpg i actually do have a note in my "personal file" for throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance [19:50]
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mircea_popescu yeah, cause the teacher was this "placeholder enemy" of sorts. like cats play with the nail sharpening pole. [19:51]
mircea_popescu fine and quite healthy for adolescent boys to have planned out how to massacre the lot of them. [19:51]
cazalla trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though : probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days [19:52]
mircea_popescu just as long as they don't get carried away. [19:52]
trinque mircea_popescu: that was the thing criminalized at my public school, certainly [19:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11500 @ 0.00075691 = 8.7045 BTC [+] [19:52]
mircea_popescu trinque well yeah, because the usg has figured that hey, we don't keep males for the herds of goats, sheep, cattle etc except maybe 1:100. with modern insemination techniques more like 1:500. why should we keep so many males in human herd ? [19:52]
mircea_popescu they can either transsexualize or perish, whatevs. how's the soy crops ? [19:53]
kakobrekla >throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance < o yeah i did that too. only in elementary. [19:53]
kakobrekla bomb the fuckers you know? [19:53]
mircea_popescu lol [19:53]
trinque "schools... out... forever" [19:53]
mircea_popescu yugoslovaks, fucking violent i tell you. [19:53]
phf kakobrekla: i did that grade 9 i think, which was apparently not age appropriate [19:54]
mircea_popescu ah such great country names for a book these'd be. checkoslavia. yugoslovakia. austrogermany. [19:54]
phf but the whole punishment lasted maybe half hour! "the incident has been noted in your personal file", not even parents called [19:55]
mircea_popescu phf regarding it with adult eyes... it is kinda not age appropriate neh ? [19:55]
trinque I once found a trivial flaw in a java applet some idiot put together for a "mock 2004 presidential election" [19:55]
cazalla i regret that high school was not similar to this place.. come each day because i want to as do other students as do other teachers, actually learn something type of thing [19:55]
trinque thing supposedly prevented double voting in the UI but just posted http integers somewhere [19:56]
trinque so I showed people how to do that, ended up kerry was some absurdly high number, bush was negative same [19:56]
trinque they wanted to expel me for that one [19:56]
cazalla some students earn A's while others can only earn C's type of thing we have here, whereas in public high school - all must strive to earn A's while none actually can [19:56]
trinque *posted integers over http [19:57]
mircea_popescu trinque because why ? [19:57]
trinque mircea_popescu: because hacker. and spreading hacking! [19:57]
trinque the "tech head of whatever" emailed the angry bureaucrat and explained that it was not even hacking [19:58]
mircea_popescu cazalla the irony being that once that's on the ground, the actual ideal the progres derp about is readily realised. [19:58]
mircea_popescu o, hacking is bad now ?! [19:58]
trinque being curious at all [19:59]
trinque and especially jokes [19:59]
mircea_popescu sounds pretty boring. [19:59]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271509 << you know how deepthroat was made right ? [20:00]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 18:07:41; asciilifeform: what great cultural products ought i look for from the sellers of crack ? [20:00]
phf i remember that we were actually taught how to properly treat teachers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcZgoOyalaI amusingly i'd never seen that short on tv, it would always play during "entertainment break" when they would send us to a school movie hall to watch random stuff [20:02]
assbot Ералаш. 40 чертей и одна зеленая муха (1984 год Выпуск № 46 Сюжет № 2) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QwnW74 ) [20:02]
phf the title is "40 devils and one green fly" [20:04]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271542 << so far the anglos seem to have come out defeated from that war. [20:04]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 18:17:58; asciilifeform: then they lost a war and got culturally annihilated and enslaved by the anglos. [20:04]
mircea_popescu suffice it to say your interpretation of history is far from uncontroversial. [20:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271551 << there is, actually. harem. the romans you mentioned did this deliberately, it was called "veteran settlement". [20:06]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 18:20:42; asciilifeform: trinque: there is not a handy answer to 'what should culture man stuck in a dying civilization do' [20:06]
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mircea_popescu http://www.personal.psu.edu/axk29/audience.jpg << let's play "guess who/what" [20:08]
trinque I'm going with PSU professors receiving LGBBQT sensitivity training. [20:11]
mircea_popescu audience at 2013 brin prize. [20:11]
phf that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit [20:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271583 << this is common. [20:14]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 19:09:30; asciilifeform: i, for instance, can't think about any deep problem when in a place where human speech is happening, or bodies are in motion. [20:14]
mircea_popescu i've dealt out reprimands for moving at the wrong time etc. [20:14]
mircea_popescu phf so it is. i find it an excellent picture because it so drastically sets him apart. [20:15]
mircea_popescu thought alf'd like it./ [20:15]
cazalla check out asian beaker in the middle [20:15]
mircea_popescu (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know. [20:16]
mircea_popescu indeed we do not.) [20:17]
mircea_popescu but anyway, a better question, who's the hottie in the gray shirt. [20:19]
mircea_popescu "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not only did he order [20:26]
mircea_popescu her to write to her friends and family and insist that they not visit her, he also demanded that she never leave the house without permission. The exact reason for his possessiveness is not really clear considering that he was largely asexual throughout his lifetime. Still, his brutal treatment of Mary Way or why she allowed the abuse to continue seems impossible to understand even today." [20:26]
mircea_popescu o.O [20:26]
mircea_popescu i had nfi ?! [20:26]
mircea_popescu "Friends were astonished that Mary allowed her house guest to control her. They were even more astonished when she showed them the contract that Heaviside had insisted she sign which, among other clauses stipulated that: [20:27]
mircea_popescu Mary Way agrees to wear warm woolen underclothing and keep herself warm in winter. Mary Way agrees never to go out without Oliver Heaviside's permission. Mary Way agrees never to give anything away without Oliver Heaviside's permission. [20:27]
mircea_popescu He did whatever he could to enforce the clauses of the contract, including taking away Mary's shoes to keep her from leaving the house without permission." [20:27]
mircea_popescu see, cause originalyl you'd think autism. but... [20:27]
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pete_dushenski cazalla: any idea why the footnote brackets after "wrecking" show up on the preview of that last qntra article but not on the full page ? [20:42]
cazalla lemme check, might need a space or something [20:44]
* assbot gives voice to williamdunne [20:46]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Never thought I'd see my hometown mentioned on #b-a.. [20:46]
pete_dushenski "“Black Twitter” may be infamous for scorning white women like Rachel Dolezal who think they are black, but it has also pioneered the idea of hashtag activism, such as #SayHerName, which highlighted the invisibility of black women in discussions of police violence in black communities, or #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, with its allusion to tensions between black and white feminists, to offer but two examples." [20:48]
pete_dushenski << way to blaze dem trails [20:48]
cazalla pete_dushenski, is that right now? [20:49]
pete_dushenski is the word 'pioneer' really so ambigious that michael eric dyson honestly beleebs it applies to 'black twitter's hashtag activism' ? [20:50]
williamdunne Newton Abbot has 12 people, and I'm one of them [20:50]
pete_dushenski cazalla: it's timeless, like being endarkened. [20:50]
pete_dushenski as it always is and must always be. [20:50]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 < actually i know of a few slovenians remoting to work for mericans pulling north of 10k/mo (which is 5 times what they would get here) [20:51]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 19:20:34; asciilifeform: if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work. [20:51]
pete_dushenski "a cohort of what I would like to call the “black digital intelligentsia” has emerged. They wrestle with ideas, stake out political territory, and lead, very much in the same way that my generation did, only without needing, or necessarily wanting, a home in the Ivy League—and by making their name online." [20:52]
cazalla pete_dushenski, your article i mean [20:52]
pete_dushenski cazalla: aha. that. yes, looks to be fixed from my end. thx! [20:53]
pete_dushenski next time : specify 'that' and s/right/correct and i won't be so cofuzed [20:54]
cazalla meh seemed preddy obvious i was responding to your question and not what random nig nogs do on twitter [21:03]
pete_dushenski heh [21:05]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271980 << wai wat. [21:05]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 23:03:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271551 << there is, actually. harem. the romans you mentioned did this deliberately, it was called "veteran settlement". [21:05]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1272014 << what do they do ? and for how long ? [21:07]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 23:49:09; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 < actually i know of a few slovenians remoting to work for mericans pulling north of 10k/mo (which is 5 times what they would get here) [21:07]
kakobrekla things you dont love with all your heart. sys admin, pythoning, stuff like that [21:08]
asciilifeform ugh. [21:08]
kakobrekla mhm [21:08]
pete_dushenski bbiab [21:08]
mircea_popescu williamdunne london ? [21:09]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: thing is, i would happily take the 10k for 'make sure this box stays up and does x, we don't care what you do otherwise' [21:09]
asciilifeform but somehow i doubt this is what kakobrekla's friend does. [21:09]
kakobrekla your suspicion is not unjustified [21:10]
mircea_popescu oh haha. [21:10]
mircea_popescu meh seemed preddy obvious i was responding to your question and not what random nig nogs do on twitter << srsly. "Black digital inteligentsia" ? can we get back to not caring about rihanna spears or w/e it was. [21:12]
mircea_popescu j-low [21:12]
mircea_popescu no wait, j-lop ? [21:12]
mircea_popescu sounds perfectly yidish, like, "bitch you gotta jlop for tonite" or "what's she all jlop't up for" [21:13]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Newton Abbot [21:13]
mircea_popescu aha i caught on eventually. [21:13]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271985 << aha! [21:13]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 23:11:06; phf: that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit [21:13]
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asciilifeform neato [21:13]
mircea_popescu apparently it has a long tradition in hosting weirdos :D [21:13]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271992 << he had this expression more or less permanently affixed, aha. [21:14]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 23:14:41; mircea_popescu: (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know. [21:14]
ben_vulpes http://www.inria.fr/ << usgcoin is...french? [21:15]
assbot Inria - Inventeurs du monde numérique ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9K8TF ) [21:15]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: in the exact way that, to borrow a mircea_popescuism, tsipras is greek. [21:15]
ben_vulpes over my head, asciilifeform. as though i were five, please? [21:16]
asciilifeform davout is french [21:16]
asciilifeform but inria is usg. [21:16]
trinque tsipras was the greek minister of used to work at valve or something [21:16]
asciilifeform ludovic viii was french. [21:16]
ben_vulpes just located in france. [21:16]
ben_vulpes just webshiting in france. [21:17]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: inria is sorta like their mit. [21:17]
ben_vulpes wait, is it /their/ MIT or the USG MIT? [21:17]
asciilifeform both. [21:17]
mircea_popescu nah, mit's bigger. [21:17]
mircea_popescu this thing is like an endowment in stuff and things chairdom. [21:18]
asciilifeform hey i hear fr is getting a new parcel of meat in [21:18]
mircea_popescu mit has ~800 of those. [21:18]
asciilifeform so perhaps next year inria can enbiggen. [21:18]
asciilifeform in this sense. [21:18]
mircea_popescu unless they add rape to the meaning of "automatique" i don't see the immigrants that interested in derping pascal. [21:19]
asciilifeform you think they pascal at mit ?! [21:19]
mircea_popescu we were discussing inria [21:19]
asciilifeform yes [21:19]
mircea_popescu i don't know what the fuck they do, past "nothing usable or useful since 1990s" [21:19]
asciilifeform point being that these folks do not need to be interested in inriaism to get fat sinecures there [21:19]
asciilifeform just have the right shade of skin. [21:20]
mircea_popescu sure. [21:20]
asciilifeform 80s. [21:20]
mircea_popescu coincidentally - since the previous wave of orcs hit yurp. [21:20]
asciilifeform btw i take back 'inria was once useful' [21:21]
mircea_popescu arguably in the same circumstances : usg derpiong finally crashed a local power sturcture, waves of ro/bg/polish/east german etc came crashing down [21:21]
asciilifeform turns out queinnec was never there, it seems, [21:21]
asciilifeform http://pagesperso-systeme.lip6.fr/Christian.Queinnec/WWW/Queinnec.html [21:21]
assbot Christian Queinnec's home page ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9Kr0O ) [21:21]
mircea_popescu zee germans still haven't dug their way out from under the deluge of "nordic system" [21:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4300 @ 0.000754 = 3.2422 BTC [-] [21:21]
mircea_popescu i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it [21:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lg0JshvRxfE << you ever heard this one ? [21:24]
assbot TARA COMUNISTA - JEAN MOSCOPOL - ANTICOMUNIST - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oml9yg ) [21:24]
mircea_popescu romanian folklore russian revolutionary history. [21:24]
asciilifeform new to me. lulzy ! [21:25]
asciilifeform autoduba ~= gasenwagen ? [21:27]
mircea_popescu got slavski > slanski ; malenko > beria, abakumov, > hruschiov etc. not bad tbh [21:27]
mircea_popescu pretty much yeah. [21:27]
mircea_popescu i have nfi why raic was anymore. [21:28]
mircea_popescu slanski being obv Rudolf Slánský [21:28]
asciilifeform who else [21:29]
* asciilifeform vaguely recalls that slansky was one of the last to be ~guillotined~ in cz [21:30]
mircea_popescu actually... who the fuck was "slavski" ?! [21:30]
asciilifeform i know of no such [21:31]
mircea_popescu da fuck is this man talking about [21:31]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnbO3LG0i14 << l0l this is a take on trad ru 'все хорошо прекрасная маркиза' !! [21:32]
assbot ANTICOMUNIST JEAN MOSCOPOL GHEORGHIU DEJ SI HRUSCIOV - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9L6iI ) [21:32]
mircea_popescu yup. [21:33]
mircea_popescu he even does a very passible hruschev impersonation [21:33]
mircea_popescu fuck! /me has found slavsky in his notes. [21:34]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271400 << sort-of unix, sort-of works [21:34]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 17:36:44; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: since you apparently missed the whole thread, the reason is TO HAVE A PORTABLE UNIX BOX THAT EVEN SORT-OF WORKS [21:34]
asciilifeform !s spreading works eating no [21:36]
assbot 0 results for 'spreading works eating no' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=spreading+works+eating+no [21:36]
mircea_popescu lol [21:36]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271451 << and this, my tragedy. [21:37]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 17:49:44; asciilifeform: it just requires having-been-doing-it-since-2000 [21:37]
mircea_popescu there was an efim pavlovich slavsky working for the "medium machine building" soviet nuke programme. [21:38]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if i hadn't set up a fresh gentoo box a year ago, from vacuum, i would not be certain that it is possible to do so today [21:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: purged ? [21:40]
mircea_popescu yeah but soon reinstated. [21:40]
mircea_popescu song doesn't know future. he died in his bed. [21:40]
asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9,_%D0%95%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BC_%D0%9F%D0%B0%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 << him, apparently [21:41]
assbot Славский, Ефим Павлович — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9LApg ) [21:41]
mircea_popescu and wasn't slansky hanged ? [21:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i had the distinct notion that he was beheaded. [21:41]
asciilifeform (cz had german guillotines going until early '70s) [21:41]
mircea_popescu fucking ridiculous, we're reduced to oral history. [21:41]
mircea_popescu clearly the internet has so much helped [21:41]
mircea_popescu lol that poor guy, looks like a scrap metal yard. [21:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ever hear '... И на груди его могучей. / Сверкая в несколько рядов. / Одна медаль висела кучей, / И та за выслугу годов' ? [21:43]
mircea_popescu lol [21:43]
mircea_popescu nop [21:43]
asciilifeform interestingly, the author is unknown. [21:44]
asciilifeform afaik. [21:44]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 << no, you just don't understand how actually impoverished even your nominal 'masters of the universe' actually are [21:45]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 19:20:34; asciilifeform: if you ask for a closing door, or to work remotely, it is usually seen as a demand to play tetris instead of work. [21:45]
asciilifeform hm? [21:45]
ben_vulpes dominance game schmominance game. [21:46]
ben_vulpes doors are costly because 'entrepreneurs' cannot afford the space burn on walls. [21:46]
* mircea_popescu knows, but alf is unconsolablew. [21:46]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: when i worked, briefly, for a megacorp (it bought the little outfit i was in at the time) we were moved to a virtually EMPTY building, placed - all two dozen of us - in the middle of an EMPTY floor, having forty or so proper door-closey offices, and a flunkie was sent JUST TO WATCH THAT NO ONE MOVED INTO THEM [21:46]
mircea_popescu http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34181/34181-h/34181-h.htm << must read, by the way. [21:47]
assbot Error 403 ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmmXqY ) [21:47]
asciilifeform the walls, the doors - were built. but dominance games. [21:47]
mircea_popescu so wait, you actually listened to him ? [21:47]
ben_vulpes that just speaks to the incompetence of your own managerial staff. [21:47]
mircea_popescu are you... dumb ? wtf ? [21:47]
ben_vulpes you got bought, ergo there was value. [21:48]
mircea_popescu you probably also sit around and wait to "be seated" in restaurants ? [21:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: at least one fella didn't, was threatened - in writing - with sacking for breach of protocol if he were ever found outside of his assigned cattle stall again. [21:48]
ben_vulpes you're too wrapped up in this su/germanic "omg the inquistor is right around the corner" routine [21:48]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: sometimes he ~is~ around the corner. [21:48]
mircea_popescu and he answered, in writing, with "get fucked and send your wife." [21:48]
asciilifeform and on first name basis [21:48]
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mircea_popescu apparently the magic words of "i don't recall asking you anything" weren't invented in the us yet or something. [21:49]
ben_vulpes in writing?! [21:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that's when the bouncer shows you the door, aha. they had (i was told) some of these, also. [21:49]
ben_vulpes omg not letters [21:49]
ben_vulpes was it going to go on his PERMANENT RECORD!? [21:49]
mircea_popescu lol [21:49]
mircea_popescu so did he slap the bouncer ? [21:49]
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asciilifeform generally, folks who need to MAKE THE FUCKING RENT eventually 'taci si suge.' [21:50]
mircea_popescu oh, really. i'm sure that's what it was yes. [21:50]
mircea_popescu he... he had to make the rent. [21:50]
mircea_popescu sick chitlins at home and hm. [21:50]
asciilifeform mortgage, actually [21:50]
asciilifeform poor bastard. [21:50]
mircea_popescu and if he hadn't made it ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu in the street, dancing for nickles ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu it's kinda funny how the 2008 festival bought TONS of "not making mortgage - get fucked" folks [21:51]
mircea_popescu yet nobody seems to have learned from the experience. [21:51]
ben_vulpes 'twas grand [21:51]
* ben_vulpes cannot wait for the reprise [21:51]
mircea_popescu they're like retarded women, these people. fucking is bad, and may only be done if "overcome". [21:51]
asciilifeform how many dead evicting sheriffs total [21:51]
asciilifeform one? two? [21:51]
asciilifeform in all of usa. [21:51]
mircea_popescu woman may not agree to fucking and usian may not tell the politruk to get lost. [21:51]
cazalla http://www.theage.com.au/national/sex-workers-at-risk-of-violence-as-the-internet-cuts-demand-for-their-services-20150909-gjj54s.html "They say violence is a daily part of their life. The most common forms are biting, slapping, pinching, hair pulling, verbal abuse and rough sex, which they say is present in almost every interaction." sounds like sex to me [21:52]
assbot Sex workers at risk of violence as the internet cuts demand for their services ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9M6DF ) [21:52]
mircea_popescu it's HOW THE WORLD WORX!11 [21:52]
ben_vulpes nono how many unevicted? [21:52]
ben_vulpes sherrif is only sent for troublemakers. [21:52]
ben_vulpes in the year of 'nobody paying mortgate', sherriff has better things to do with his time. [21:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i can picture some schmuck continuing to show up, but the salary cheque will not continue to get mailed out. [21:52]
ben_vulpes ESPECIALLY IN SANE JURISDICTIONS [21:52]
ben_vulpes of which there remain a few, your outrageous claims to the contrary aside. [21:52]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: if there exists such a jurisdiction in usa, it is a well-hushed-up fact. [21:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform afaik the way usg works, the check shows up no matter what [21:53]
mircea_popescu some people still show up for "work" [21:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: nope. [21:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it does not. now, granted, in some states (e.g. maryland) it is very difficult for the employer to prove 'fired for cause' [21:53]
asciilifeform but disobeying a written order is one of the few simple ways. [21:53]
mircea_popescu try evicting somebody. [21:53]
ben_vulpes ^^ impossible. [21:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: very easy in md. just takes a while (~3 mo.) [21:54]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes no but meta-eviction! [21:54]
asciilifeform and several court appearances. [21:54]
mircea_popescu o, you actually go to court ?! [21:54]
mircea_popescu because why ? [21:54]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: It certainly does, just yesterday I heard a girl maybe a few years older myself bragging (in a thick western accent) about her mother doing Cocaine and Ecstasy while heavily pregnant, and how "she turned out alright" [21:54]
mircea_popescu williamdunne was she alrgiht ? [21:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the court thing happens if there is dispute (normally there is) about payment [21:54]
williamdunne She was dressed up all goth-like and spoke like a retard so can't imagine she was that good [21:54]
asciilifeform e.g., 'i paid' - 'no you didn't' [21:54]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you don't go! [21:55]
asciilifeform default judgement then. [21:55]
asciilifeform but - IANAL. [21:55]
mircea_popescu lmao. [21:55]
mircea_popescu or better yet, if you feel like having some fun with the system, you go and recite moscow urchin begging poem [21:55]
* mircea_popescu now wonders if theres any online [21:55]
asciilifeform extinct afaik [21:56]
* asciilifeform can't even recall this [21:56]
ben_vulpes http://bikeportland.org/2015/09/08/police-shut-notorious-slabtown-stolen-bike-chop-shop-158221 << asciilifeform note that the place had to get busted with an active theft ring to get kicked out [21:56]
assbot Police shut down notorious 'Slabtown' stolen bike chop shop - BikePortland.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9Mi5U ) [21:56]
asciilifeform neato ben_vulpes [21:56]
ben_vulpes just because *you* don't believe in the cascadian paradise by no means you get to ignore it. [21:56]
asciilifeform wow what a scrap heap [21:56]
ben_vulpes srsly enough with this 'woe is everyone upon us soil' routine. [21:57]
asciilifeform something very asian about this [21:57]
ben_vulpes fucking trite at this point. [21:57]
asciilifeform chop shop for fucking bicycles ! [21:57]
asciilifeform they are worth, what, 100 usd new? [21:57]
ben_vulpes go, buy. [21:57]
ben_vulpes a hundred dollar bicycle is barely worth trucking to the playa. [21:57]
ben_vulpes one can in fact have a bicycle just for the asking there. no purchase or transport needed! [21:58]
* asciilifeform quite out of date, has never bought one of these things new [21:58]
asciilifeform i think mine was made in the 1960s. [21:58]
ben_vulpes so then stick to your chipsets. [21:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: update me, what are they worth today [21:58]
ben_vulpes what, something that creaks around or something that someone who enjoys the sport would ride? [21:59]
ben_vulpes what is a computer worth today? [21:59]
asciilifeform something a grown man would ride [21:59]
asciilifeform such as ben_vulpes [21:59]
mircea_popescu he prolly paid 350 for his [21:59]
kakobrekla i bought a cheapest usable bike this spring, its 500+. [21:59]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: ! [21:59]
mircea_popescu :D [21:59]
mircea_popescu but you can spend as much as you want to spend on a bike. consumer item. [21:59]
ben_vulpes has it, but it's an oddity and not fit for grown-male-use. [21:59]
ben_vulpes a robust fixed-gear with durable parts will set one back 300. [22:00]
ben_vulpes freewheel ~350. [22:00]
asciilifeform from rough study of historical trends, i have noticed that bicycles and revolvers have cost roughly the same thing for 100 years +. [22:00]
ben_vulpes i have a hydroformed aluminum frame because i like to taunt death. [22:00]
asciilifeform and for the same reason. [22:00]
asciilifeform about same amount of machine work to produce each. [22:00]
ben_vulpes cost the same? what, inflation-adjusted? [22:01]
asciilifeform aha [22:01]
asciilifeform same at any given time. [22:01]
ben_vulpes what, ten dollars a hundred years ago? [22:01]
asciilifeform aha. [22:01]
mircea_popescu well, within reason. they had revolvers in 1815 even [22:01]
* ben_vulpes sees no primary sources [22:01]
asciilifeform modern bicycle has existed for slightly more than a century [22:01]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: best source is the back pages of old (period) american magazines [22:01]
asciilifeform e.g., 'scientific american' [22:02]
asciilifeform 'popular mechanics' [22:02]
ben_vulpes back there with the cock-lengtheners [22:02]
asciilifeform they stopped advertising small arms in the 1970s though. [22:02]
asciilifeform so need other source after that. [22:02]
mircea_popescu lol [22:02]
ben_vulpes i'm sure those prices had a great deal to do with the market value of the things, advertising to chumps alongside the cock lengtheners and pheromone emitters [22:02]
ben_vulpes now mebbe there's an inflation indicator: the pheromone vial [22:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: used to be, the 'back pages' were a kind of bazaar, that had pyramid schemes, cock machines, and legit things alike, all in one gigantic pile. [22:03]
ben_vulpes it has to target the same grade of moron at all times, after all [22:03]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: speaking of these, one type of potion that appears to have vanished is the 'strength increaser' [22:04]
asciilifeform seems like no one goes for this scam today ? [22:04]
ben_vulpes the actual workouts seem to have won out finally [22:04]
asciilifeform pick up a 1950s 'popular xyz' and the thing is full of'em [22:04]
ben_vulpes crossfit 'tis one thing whose success is incontrovertible. [22:04]
ben_vulpes as the twelve-steppers say [22:04]
ben_vulpes "it works if you work it, so keep working it until it works!" [22:04]
ben_vulpes (...) (...) [22:05]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271672 << but what about the spire of /dankness/? [22:05]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 20:57:45; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271285 << i hear emplacing a workstation is the first step to building a Dark Spire of Darnkess, from which as we all know all atomic dirigibles must proceed. [22:05]
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asciilifeform https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pankr%C3%A1c_Prison#/media/File:Pamatnik_pankrac_02.JPG [22:07]
assbot Pankrác Prison - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Q9MRfX ) [22:07]
asciilifeform still can't figure out if slansky lost his head in it, or not [22:07]
kakobrekla > best source is the back pages of old (period) american magazines < here the currency on the mags changed so frequently i couldnt keep track, from din to sit to euro, prolly some dem in between. [22:07]
kakobrekla well, dem was on german porno rags. [22:08]
ben_vulpes http://40.media.tumblr.com/f584252cb295b9c45307981283a45bda/tumblr_nrp3qz7xyh1s3xdydo1_1280.jpg << lol ty mp [22:13]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPUOIH ) [22:13]
* ben_vulpes to apply another coat of finish to the molding [22:14]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271780 << well now i must to ukr [22:21]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 21:33:51; mircea_popescu: no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore. [22:21]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271883 << unless of course you say "no, and also fuck you, and the revenue numbers are none of your goddamn concern." [22:27]
assbot Logged on 12-09-2015 22:29:17; phf: quitting school? that's a paddling [22:27]
ben_vulpes at which point the paddlers may attempt to paddle or they may beat a hasty retreat. [22:27]
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trinque heh, Randy Blythe of Lamb of God was locked up with that guillotine for supposedly killing a kid by shoving him off the stage [22:40]
mircea_popescu gotta ask dank about that ben_vulpes [22:41]
asciilifeform trinque: interesting... http://wtvr.com/2012/08/06/randy-blythe-lamb-of-god-czech-republic-interview << has some detail [22:49]
assbot Rocker Randy Blythe talks about time in Czech prison | WTVR.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LqJcH1 ) [22:49]
trinque "A thousand years of failure, a thousand years they bled. To the bear, the blitzkrieg, and the holy father, they just bowed their heads." << I don't know how accurate an assessment of the Czechs that is, but it makes me lol [22:54]
trinque from the (relatively mediocre) metal song he wrote in response, "Still Echoes" [22:55]
asciilifeform i was in the czech embassy recently [22:55]
asciilifeform was revolted when saw a smarmy and profoundly cocksucking pamphlet advertising a general patton memorial. [22:56]
mircea_popescu what'd you have them do ? [22:57]
asciilifeform beside the point. [22:57]
asciilifeform as if there were any shortage of cultural icons they could build a museum for [22:58]
* mircea_popescu would like them to go back to bohemia. czech is too hard to spell. [22:58]
asciilifeform ^ or this! [22:58]
mircea_popescu iirc patton liberated them [22:58]
asciilifeform чех is pretty easy though [22:58]
asciilifeform liberated l0l [22:58]
asciilifeform ru did the bulk of the fighting. funnily enough, ~on both sides~ [22:59]
asciilifeform (vlasov's army was parked there) [23:00]
mircea_popescu heh [23:01]
asciilifeform https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9F%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%B6%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B0%D1%8F_%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F#/media/File:Red_Army_section_Olsany_Cemetery_Prague_CZ_056.jpg [23:01]
assbot Пражская операция — Википедия ... ( http://bit.ly/1L9m0kJ ) [23:01]
asciilifeform ^ my grandpa is not in there. but almost was. [23:01]
asciilifeform (marched on prague) [23:02]
asciilifeform americans marched on pilsen. [23:03]
mircea_popescu iirc my grandfather only got as far as the tatra mountains [23:03]
mircea_popescu artillery. [23:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i had one in artillery (physics) and one in field hospital (surgeon) [23:04]
asciilifeform folks who knew trigonometry tended to end up in artillery. [23:04]
asciilifeform in all armies. [23:04]
asciilifeform since maybe 1500s. [23:04]
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asciilifeform 'airplane in which an american, czech, scotsman, and russian, begins to fall. scotsman suggests, 'let's swear that he who remains alive, will give the dead men 200 pounds sterling for the road to heaven, and to thank god.' they all agreed. airplane falls, everybody but the scotsman lived. at his burial, the american and the russian put 200 pounds each, like they promised. the czech comes, writes a cheque for 600 pounds, puts i [23:24]
asciilifeform n the coffin, and takes away the 400 as change.' [23:24]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272083 << what's 'estic' mean ? [23:34]
assbot Logged on 13-09-2015 00:19:29; mircea_popescu: i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it [23:34]
* pete_dushenski back from much longer visit to auto mechanic than expected. still, all is well with saddam. in fact, he drives 'better than new s-class' according to fellow who's driven both [23:36]
cazalla pete_dushenski, how is it on fuel economy? [23:37]
pete_dushenski and now with no rust on front fenders thanks to a fortuitous shop accident that resulted in denting the hood, which needed to be painted after being replaced, and allowed me to piggyback on paint shop time and repair a cosmetic deficiency i may never have bothered with! [23:37]
pete_dushenski cazalla: no worse than a full-size pick-up [23:38]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272121 <--> gutenberg has, yes. eg. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272135 [23:43]
assbot Logged on 13-09-2015 00:39:19; mircea_popescu: clearly the internet has so much helped [23:43]
assbot Logged on 13-09-2015 00:44:50; mircea_popescu: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/34181/34181-h/34181-h.htm << must read, by the way. [23:43]
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pete_dushenski currently reading montaigne's essays and the aeneid on gutenberg. the latter's translation is exceptional, far better than the 2 bit fucking audiobook i'm reading in parallel with it. [23:44]
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pete_dushenski fuck robert fagles, srsly [23:47]
pete_dushenski mkay so he died in '08. no more damage to be wrought. [23:47]
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