Forum logs for 12 Jun 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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rawrmage | Someguy123: " |
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mircea_popescu | hey rawrmage you around ? | [04:21] |
rawrmage | yea, what's up? | [04:21] |
mircea_popescu | just 1 sec | [04:22] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/133946419596.jpg | [04:23] |
mircea_popescu | rawrmage pony ? | [04:33] |
rawrmage | lol, the MLP level in diablo 3? | [04:34] |
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rawrmage | mircea_popescu: what about it? | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | aww, you been there ? | [04:35] |
mircea_popescu | i thoguht im the harbringer of fascinating news. | [04:36] |
rawrmage | heard about it, at least | [04:36] |
mircea_popescu | okay :p | [04:38] |
Someguy123 | rawrmage, derp | [04:41] |
Someguy123 | also rawrmage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HaWnknkl-U&feature=BFa&list=ULvP_wm5qAPNE | [04:41] |
Someguy123 | >read top comment | [04:41] |
Someguy123 | OH SHIT. | [04:41] |
Someguy123 | BBBFF actually does sound a lot like perfect stallion | [04:41] |
Someguy123 | o_O | [04:41] |
rawrmage | lol | [04:41] |
Someguy123 | never even noticed til now | [04:42] |
Someguy123 | STOP REUSING SONGS DANIEL INGARD | [04:42] |
Someguy123 | *derp* | [04:42] |
Someguy123 | also wow, rawrmage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKuaPv4N0BQ&feature=g-user-u | [04:43] |
Someguy123 | tsyolin remix'd a deadmau5 song | [04:43] |
rawrmage | listening to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCqmYnDYUeo right now… sec | [04:43] |
rawrmage | lol, uploader comments | [04:47] |
rawrmage | Someguy123: that song's background is creepy | [04:56] |
Someguy123 | rawrmage, damn I love that song | [04:58] |
rawrmage | my favourite brony song right now is probably tied between Fruits of Her Labour, Awoken, and Cerulean Blue | [04:59] |
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imsaguy | here I am | [06:15] |
rawrmage | hai | [06:15] |
imsaguy | it must be low traffic | [06:16] |
imsaguy | the access list ends at 3 | [06:16] |
rawrmage | haha | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | it is low traffic. | [06:17] |
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jurov | rg, u mean that seriously? | [14:45] |
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rg | yes | [14:46] |
rg | its a last resort | [14:46] |
rg | what would you rather it do | [14:46] |
rg | give the user root? | [14:46] |
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jurov | i plan not to have any sensitive data on disk | [14:47] |
rg | doesnt matter | [14:47] |
rg | that's not the only reason you would stop a root compromise | [14:47] |
rg | a system compromise gives an attacker the privileges needed to sniff | [14:48] |
rg | scan internally | [14:48] |
rg | etc | [14:48] |
jurov | yes, but analyzing memory takes enough time, so admin can react manually | [14:49] |
jurov | not make DoS immediately | [14:49] |
rg | lol what? | [14:49] |
rg | dude if someone runs an exploit that your kernel fails to stop | [14:49] |
rg | what if this super admin isnt awake? | [14:49] |
rg | and im not sure what you're talking about analyzing memory | [14:50] |
jurov | only reason to have uid0 is memory/filesystem access | [14:50] |
jurov | for sniffing you don't need it | [14:50] |
rg | umm... | [14:51] |
rg | are you insane? | [14:51] |
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jurov | tough question... just imho, most breakins are on the app level , and salient info like keys/wallet.dat is there too | [14:54] |
jurov | i would concentrate there, not trying to think too hard "what if they get root and can't be killed -9" | [14:55] |
rg | dude you are assuming every break in happens when you're monitoring your system | [14:55] |
rg | its a last ditch effort | [14:56] |
jurov | and you assume everyone wants to have root first | [14:56] |
rg | no.. im assuming that in a last ditch effort it should shutoff the box before giving root | [14:56] |
rg | if your box is setup properly it wont matter what account they get | [14:56] |
rg | they will eventually go for root | [14:56] |
rg | it is to protect against 0day | [14:56] |
rg | and exploits that are unkown | [14:56] |
jurov | well, how you want to do it? scan process table every 10ms? | [14:57] |
rg | i dont do shit | [14:57] |
rg | the kernel does it | [14:57] |
jurov | grsecurity? | [14:59] |
rg | SELinux+Grsec | [14:59] |
rg | grsec alone isnt enough | [14:59] |
rg | SELinux's best features are RBAC and TPE | [15:00] |
rg | with RBAC ive essentially made the root account useless | [15:00] |
rg | same privs as a user account | [15:00] |
jurov | nice...and do you actually offer it in the preinstalled VPSs or you only use it for hypervisor? | [15:03] |
rg | i cant give users that type of stuff | [15:03] |
rg | they will either complain or fuck it up | [15:03] |
rg | i have a grsec image i give to customers | [15:03] |
rg | its the default | [15:03] |
rg | but its not get all the options enabled | [15:04] |
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mircea_popescu | somebody has customer support experience. | [15:06] |
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jurov | seems i'm in trollish mood today.. but, rg, if i ran vps, i'd be more proud about things like periodic backups than this | [15:19] |
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Newar | getrating newa | [15:31] |
Newar | getrating newar | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | ;;getrating newar | [15:32] |
gribble | User Newar, rated since Mon Jun 4 16:36:39 2012. Cumulative rating 6, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 4 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Newar Currently authenticated from hostmask Newar!~newar417@151.202-63-155.unknown.qala.com.sg | [15:32] |
Newar | Thanks, I think it's not showing since i'm in PM with gribble | [15:32] |
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mircea_popescu | no you omitted the ;; | [15:35] |
Newar | ;;getrating Newar | [15:37] |
gribble | User Newar, rated since Mon Jun 4 16:36:39 2012. Cumulative rating 6, from 5 total ratings. Received ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 5 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Newar Currently authenticated from hostmask Newar!~newar417@151.202-63-155.unknown.qala.com.sg | [15:37] |
Newar | MAGIC! | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [15:38] |
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rg | jurov i still dont know what you're talking about | [15:46] |
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guruvan | but you do rg. I like that /get root, box panics/ bit - that's super nice | [16:04] |
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Jamalaka | ;;bc, convert eur | [16:10] |
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gribble | Error: "bc," is not a valid command. | [16:10] |
Jamalaka | ;;bc,convert eur | [16:10] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 5.55271 U.S. dollars = 4.43826233 Euros | [16:10] |
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rg | well | [16:23] |
rg | it does everything in its power to detour exploits | [16:24] |
rg | but if something DOES manage to get through | [16:24] |
rg | its absolute last resort | [16:24] |
rg | is to panic | [16:24] |
rg | which will obviously alert me | [16:24] |
rg | instantly | [16:24] |
jcpham | how | [16:24] |
guruvan | which image of yours is that on? | [16:25] |
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rg | its the bitvps-secur image | [16:25] |
rg | im still testing it | [16:25] |
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rg | its going to become the default image | [16:26] |
will_smith | nickserv is the gayest | [16:26] |
guruvan | ok - cool I'm super interested in that | [16:26] |
rg | seems like a perfect idea to me | [16:26] |
rg | i mean what else would you have it do | [16:26] |
rg | give them root? | [16:26] |
rg | fuck no | [16:26] |
rg | i dont care what's on the box | [16:27] |
rg | i would prefer it roll over | [16:27] |
rg | and die | [16:27] |
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rg | aw hell ya | [16:27] |
rg | this DC is letting me cancel boxes | [16:27] |
rg | up til 1 day before due | [16:27] |
rg | cause we rent them out | [16:27] |
rg | that is fuck yeah | [16:27] |
rg | if this dude doesnt pay | [16:28] |
guruvan | yeah - that's the part I like - just roll over and die before giving up the goods man | [16:28] |
rg | it writes a log first | [16:28] |
rg | then dies | [16:28] |
rg | so when you see your box panic'd | [16:28] |
rg | youd be able to see the difference between a normal crash | [16:28] |
rg | and a security crash | [16:28] |
guruvan | yea- I hope the logs - I hate crashed servers for unknown reasons | [16:28] |
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rg | also | [16:29] |
rg | we're using a third party for backups now | [16:29] |
rg | wondering how cusomers are going to react to that | [16:29] |
mircea_popescu | well are they secure ?! | [16:30] |
guruvan | backups encrypted? | [16:30] |
rg | they're encrypted on the fly before they touch the remote place | [16:30] |
[fresh]prince | i would say hoorah for offloading backups on someone dedicated to managing it | [16:30] |
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[fresh]prince | that's what i would say | [16:30] |
rg | [fresh]prince: yeah the guy who runs it | [16:30] |
rg | he said basically | [16:30] |
rg | i make sure the SAN runs | [16:30] |
rg | you maintain your own data | [16:30] |
mircea_popescu | a ok. | [16:31] |
rg | and hes offering fair pricing | [16:31] |
[fresh]prince | the thing about backups is that they have to be managed, reviewed tested, blah blah | [16:31] |
[fresh]prince | it's fucking boring | [16:31] |
rg | well | [16:31] |
rg | im not gonan backup os data | [16:31] |
rg | waste of spae | [16:31] |
rg | space | [16:31] |
rg | ill be ok with users doing a full /etc backup | [16:31] |
rg | /home | [16:32] |
rg | /root | [16:32] |
rg | and i guess if their apache is misconfigured, /var/www/ | [16:32] |
rg | guruvan: im also trying to force some otehr security related stuff on users | [16:32] |
rg | but im afraid they wont get it | [16:32] |
guruvan | like what? | [16:32] |
rg | its a different MPM for Apache | [16:33] |
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rg | so instead of running as 'nobody', 'apache' whatever | [16:33] |
rg | each PHP script runs as its own user | [16:33] |
rg | so it doesnt require world readable shit | [16:33] |
guruvan | awesome | [16:33] |
rg | like the default config of apache | [16:33] |
guruvan | and you can easily discover the vulnerable script :D | [16:33] |
rg | well the whole point of it is that if there is a vuln script | [16:33] |
rg | they dont get your whole web root | [16:33] |
rg | and you can configure SELinux to not allow it to run a shell | [16:34] |
rg | it will literally get a permission denied | [16:34] |
rg | even if you upload your own shell | [16:34] |
rg | im just not sure how that's going to react with PHP | [16:34] |
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jurov | rg, i was just thinking you are going to expend too much effort to too improbable scenario, that's all | [18:03] |
jurov | nice to know you are thinking about many more things, actually | [18:03] |
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Richmond | Anyone looking for bitcoins? I take Neteller direct transfer(eu) and Ukash(eu) | [20:13] |
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jurov | ;;bc,convert eur | [22:07] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 5.69999 U.S. dollars = 4.55598274 Euros | [22:07] |
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jurov | ;;bc,convert eur | [22:12] |
gribble | 1 BTC = 5.72576 U.S. dollars = 4.57877649 Euros | [22:12] |
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rawrmage | Someguy123: http://its-alex-s.tumblr.com/post/24972228706/life-fuckin-made | [23:33] |
vodka | [ Alex S.'s Secret Little Getaway, Life. Fuckin’. Made. ] - http://its-alex-s.tumblr.com | [23:33] |
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