Forum logs for 12 Jan 2012
Friday, 22 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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pigeons | yay freddieisdead! | [03:27] |
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freddieisdead | pigeons: haha thanks for the support | [03:28] |
pigeons | i knew you'd get it sold | [03:29] |
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DeLorean719 | pigeons | [03:35] |
DeLorean719 | o: | [03:35] |
pigeons | sup | [03:35] |
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pigeons | are my addresses no good or is it you? | [03:36] |
DeLorean719 | it still reds the box out ): | [03:36] |
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Mqrius | Bitcoin stabilizing at 6.9? When will the breakout be? | [03:37] |
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nmat | wtb $150 worth of bitcoins via paypal at mtgox ask | [03:40] |
pigeons | ;;rate DeLorean719 2 good trader | [03:40] |
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Geno | Selling a new Radeon 6970 2GB, 38 BTC | [03:44] |
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Framedragger | heh, took care of Ekki. he scared me for a moment when he logged out the instant he sent the mtgox code, but it worked. "science projects".. | [03:50] |
copumpkin | lol | [03:50] |
copumpkin | Framedragger: what you're saying is that he paid you money to lube his butt | [03:50] |
copumpkin | right? | [03:50] |
Mqrius | Sounds about right xD | [03:51] |
Framedragger | yes, quite probably. and when he logged out immediately after sending his last message, I thought "well; some teenager just started a scamming career by buying butt lube products, awesome" | [03:52] |
pigeons | where did you buy the lube? | [03:53] |
Framedragger | whatever, not harmful things => spreading bitcoin usage = good :P | [03:53] |
Framedragger | that same website, bad-dragon.com (quite hilarious) | [03:54] |
pigeons | hmm, maybe bit-pay needs to talk with them | [03:54] |
Framedragger | they're groovy throughout the whole checkout process, e.g. have "what the hell is this?" link next to the CVV code field | [03:54] |
Framedragger | hah, they might find some new customers, yeah | [03:55] |
Framedragger | sometimes btc acts as a simple mediator currency between moneypak and online merchants.. | [03:55] |
Framedragger | but it's all for the better.. | [03:55] |
pigeons | don't tell chuck shummer kids can buy butt lube with bitcoins | [03:56] |
benjamindees | don't worry I think they ended the intern program | [03:56] |
pigeons | heh | [03:56] |
Framedragger | :P | [03:57] |
Framedragger | ok, need to end my sophisticated "evading exam studying" thing and resume reading. good for the kid.. I guess. | [03:57] |
pigeons | and good for science | [03:58] |
Framedragger | yes.. yes, of course.. | [03:58] |
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Greed | ;;ident Greed | [04:06] |
Greed | Argh | [04:06] |
Greed | I keep being disconnected and deauth'd. | [04:06] |
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rg | ehe | [04:14] |
rg | one of our new clients is a pain in my ass | [04:14] |
vragnaroda | rg: Try using some lube. | [04:15] |
Cory | buttlube | [04:15] |
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rg | the customer is always right | [04:17] |
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vragnaroda | rg: bullshit; the customer gets his way but that doesn't make him right | [04:23] |
vragnaroda | customers are shitheads | [04:23] |
rg | hehe | [04:23] |
rg | yeah | [04:23] |
rg | this one now thinks hes smarter than me | [04:23] |
VO | how safe is instawallet for tumbling purposes | [04:23] |
rg | so i have to kindly tell him to be quiet | [04:23] |
rg | tumbling? | [04:24] |
rg | what in the fuck are you talking about | [04:24] |
pigeons | mixing | [04:24] |
vragnaroda | I think he means laundering. | [04:24] |
VO | tumbling coins around so its harder to identify bitcoin transactions | [04:24] |
VO | is that laundering | [04:24] |
phantomcircuit | it's not | [04:24] |
phantomcircuit | at all | [04:24] |
phantomcircuit | it's not designed for that | [04:24] |
rg | what is thte purpose of that | [04:24] |
rg | you come on IRC from your home IP | [04:25] |
VO | lol duh | [04:25] |
rg | theyll just search by IP | [04:25] |
vragnaroda | Pretending to be secretive. | [04:25] |
VO | :P | [04:25] |
rg | and see who relayed it first | [04:25] |
rg | (which is usually you_ | [04:25] |
pigeons | hmm, the coins we know are his went to this mixer, damn we've lost him | [04:25] |
rg | lol | [04:25] |
rg | VO: just use a lot of addresses | [04:25] |
VO | too much trouble | [04:26] |
vragnaroda | and separate wallets | [04:26] |
VO | what would you use instawallet for | [04:26] |
vragnaroda | I wouldn't. | [04:26] |
vragnaroda | :p | [04:26] |
VO | lol | [04:26] |
rg | VO: use bitjack21.com | [04:26] |
rg | not instawallet | [04:26] |
VO | hahaha | [04:26] |
rg | just leave them in there 24 hours | [04:27] |
Framedragger | if it's too much trouble, then.. :) | [04:27] |
Framedragger | on that note, I've always been curious, how good SR's own tumbling system is, whether anyone did any research on that.. /semitaboo sorry | [04:27] |
Framedragger | because I know some people use that as one of the tumblers in the tumbling chain. | [04:27] |
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pigeons | i hear you get different coins back if that's all you're concerned about | [04:28] |
rg | any site with a decent amount of traffic will be a good site | [04:28] |
rg | bitjack is good cause they keep a high balance | [04:28] |
rg | and have a good amount of traffic | [04:28] |
pigeons | unless he's trying to hide that he's gambling | [04:29] |
Framedragger | yes, that's correct AFAIK. but the question is, how much intermediacy (?) happens in-between. they do have blind transcations etc., I guess. | [04:29] |
rg | haha | [04:29] |
rg | but gambling for bitcoins isnt illegal | [04:29] |
rg | bitcoins arent considered real currency | [04:29] |
rg | thus, youre just gambling with tokens | [04:29] |
rg | which isnt illegal | [04:29] |
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pigeons | in singapore? | [04:30] |
VO | lol | [04:30] |
VO | i just don't know what identifies bitcoin transactions what doesn't | [04:31] |
rg | youre going to jail for using bitcoins | [04:31] |
VO | possibly | [04:31] |
Mqrius | Will I go more to jail for using more bitcoins? | [04:31] |
pigeons | don't do anything with bitcoins that you wouldn't want luke-jr to know about | [04:31] |
VO | whoa did anyone see this article | [04:32] |
VO | http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/01/the-very-real-danger-of-genetically-modified-foods/251051/ | [04:32] |
* | Mqrius buys The god Delusion by Richard Dawkins with bitcoins. | [04:32] |
VO | some new biology | [04:32] |
weex | Mqrius: where did you make that particular purchase? | [04:32] |
Mqrius | weex: In my hypothetical shop | [04:32] |
weex | Bid with confidence in your hypothetical shop | [04:33] |
Mqrius | (actually I'm reading the German version, supplied by my girlfriend. Reading in German is slow though) | [04:33] |
benjamindees | atheist screeds probably sound better in German I bet | [04:34] |
Mqrius | hehe | [04:34] |
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benjamindees | kind of how yelling at people is better in German | [04:35] |
pigeons | when i was a theist i read dawkins and it didnt convince me | [04:35] |
Mqrius | pigeons: I'm not a theist | [04:36] |
Mqrius | that helps. | [04:36] |
Mqrius | I am atheist though. | [04:36] |
Mqrius | Which sounds the same when you speak it out loud | [04:36] |
vragnaroda | No, it doesn't. | [04:37] |
vragnaroda | They sound similar but not the same. | [04:37] |
Mqrius | Well, maybe not. | [04:37] |
Mqrius | But I'll just go to sleep before anyone notices | [04:37] |
Mqrius | night night | [04:37] |
pigeons | well, when i was questioning my theism i picked up dawkins again, wanting to challenge myself, expecting to read the whole thing and think about it, but i decided it was rediculous to be a thiest after the first paragraph that time | [04:37] |
pigeons | it was really starting to think more logically about everything else that made me decide to stop being so superstitious about gods | [04:38] |
rg | time for bed | [04:38] |
rg | laters | [04:38] |
pigeons | night guys | [04:38] |
vragnaroda | pigeons: Your spelling is ridiculous; it merits ridicule. | [04:39] |
pigeons | :) | [04:39] |
weex | recipes for baked goods without eggs sound pretty mean in German | [04:39] |
benjamindees | derision even... | [04:39] |
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pigeons | i don't know how to explain or expect you to believe me, because the letters aren't near each other on the keyboard, but they are more typographical errors, I don't make many spelling errors with a pencil or pen | [04:41] |
Framedragger | have read only very little of Dawkins (save for his lectures, and that's not the same at all), but he seems to concentrate on some of religion's _effects_ => straw man fallacies all around. I imagine it wouldn't have shaken my views if I had had them.. | [04:41] |
benjamindees | really Germans can't be expected to keep chickens... exposure to the micro RNA would turn them into girlie-men like the French... | [04:42] |
vragnaroda | Well, they're fairly close on my keyboard. | [04:42] |
pigeons | Also when you try to figure out why they think these crazy things, a lot of theists start to become more "pantheists" or whatever you call the belief that god is "the universe" which is harder to argue with. | [04:43] |
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pigeons | It's kind of that I don't type well, and think eventually I'll somehow get better, but I really need to learn where the letters are, but then I might as well go dvorak, yeah | [04:44] |
VO | EXACTLY | [04:45] |
VO | i hate that shit pigeons | [04:45] |
VO | that's just adding another stupid link in the stupid chain | [04:45] |
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benjamindees | so would you say you tend to hunt and peck? | [04:46] |
pigeons | i don't look at the keyboard | [04:46] |
pigeons | I just hope I pressed the correct keys | [04:46] |
vragnaroda | lɔl | [04:46] |
VO | in sixth grade I took keyboarding | [04:46] |
VO | it taught me some neat tricks and good habits | [04:47] |
rawrmage | i do not want to hear this story | [04:47] |
rawrmage | it sounds dul | [04:47] |
rawrmage | l | [04:47] |
vragnaroda | rawrmage++ | [04:47] |
rawrmage | i will leave this irssi window now | [04:47] |
vragnaroda | rawrmage: Actually, you should translate it to lojban. | [04:47] |
rawrmage | 'in sixth grade' is hard | [04:49] |
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rawrmage | ca lo gradu be fa li xa ku mi te ctufau fo tu'a lo lercu'aca'a | [04:50] |
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vragnaroda | lol, and people say I don't know what I'm talking about when I say Lojban's ugly. | [04:51] |
rawrmage | pu ctuca mi lo xamgu tcaci .e .y. | [04:52] |
vragnaroda | I really ought to learn it, though. | [04:52] |
rawrmage | 'neat tricks'... | [04:52] |
rawrmage | VO: what is the concept of a 'neat trick' to you | [04:53] |
jothan | what the hell, someone paid over 36 bitcoins as a transaction fee http://blockexplorer.com/tx/7de2f70b4393c80002fa419e1e8f26bfd7d25a7a1bddd26881782004aac9ba4d | [04:53] |
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VO | lol like correct finger placement | [04:53] |
rawrmage | jothan: it's not nice to make fun of others' size :( | [04:53] |
jothan | it was not even a huge transaction kilobyte-wise | [04:54] |
rawrmage | vragnaroda: i think part of its ugliness is necessary for its syntactic unambiguity + machine parseability | [04:55] |
weex | probably got their fields switched | [04:55] |
mircea_popescu | weird. | [04:55] |
vragnaroda | jothan: Probably laundering money. | [04:55] |
vragnaroda | rawrmage: It could be a lot prettier if it weren't so phonemically limited. | [04:55] |
jothan | vragnaroda: more like forgetting to remove the bitcoins from your pants before throwing them in the washer | [04:56] |
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Framedragger | vragnaroda, have you seen this paper on lolspeak, it's supposedly somewhat decent (author seems to know what (s)he's talking about) + hilarious | [05:00] |
Framedragger | http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/etd-11112011-100404/unrestricted/Lefler_thesis.pdf | [05:00] |
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vragnaroda | I'm not reading that. | [05:01] |
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Framedragger | many lols in there: | [05:02] |
Framedragger | "[... | [05:02] |
Framedragger | ] Lolspeak does not meet the requisite conditions of a pidgin | [05:02] |
Framedragger | language, which develops as a result of particular kinds of language contact. Forming a pidgin | [05:02] |
Framedragger | requires having one or more superstrate languages (lexifiers) and a substrate (grammatical) | [05:02] |
Framedragger | language. Since all of the vocabulary comes from English, this means Lolspeak‟s nonstandard | [05:02] |
Framedragger | feature must come from a substrate of cat language. The problem here lies with the fact that | [05:02] |
Framedragger | though humans do engage in communication with cats, there is no linguistically persuasive 20 | [05:02] |
Framedragger | evidence that cats have a language, though many cat owners have speculated about it" | [05:02] |
jothan | ouch, a thesis written with MS Word | [05:02] |
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Framedragger | ah darn sorry, ok I understand :P | [05:02] |
Framedragger | i.e. I don't blame you | [05:03] |
Framedragger | yeah, papers that are generated by LyX -> pdf process automatically gain +300% credibility due to aesthetics, true | [05:04] |
Framedragger | alright, sorry for flood | [05:04] |
* | bougyman loving ice cream sandwich | [05:04] |
pigeons | i paid hundreds of bitcoins in transaction fees when i was starting out | [05:05] |
pigeons | i didnt read the protocol in depth, and thought really small microtransactions would be "cool" | [05:05] |
vragnaroda | Framedragger: Don't ever paste anything close to that long again in this channel. | [05:05] |
pigeons | but 1 btc wasn't even worth half a US cent at the time | [05:06] |
Framedragger | you should see what happens on SILC channels with embedded images enabled.. but, yeah. | [05:06] |
jothan | right, a guy paid another guy like 10000 BTC for a pizza in the early days | [05:06] |
jothan | you can buy a pretty nice car with that now | [05:06] |
splatster | anyone wanna buy some pizza? | [05:07] |
splatster | :) | [05:07] |
jothan | splatster: hopefully, I'll buy a house with 10 BTC in 10 years | [05:08] |
Kenextref | wow, serious? didnt know that.. | [05:08] |
jothan | Kenextref: story link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=12118.0 | [05:09] |
pigeons | yeah and we thought the guy who bought him the pizza got ripped off | [05:09] |
rawrmage | lol | [05:09] |
Kenextref | thx jothan | [05:10] |
Kenextref | :) | [05:10] |
weex | shoulda saved that pizza | [05:10] |
weex | freezedried and ground into a fine powder | [05:11] |
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weex | to be sprinkled on mining equipment for good luck | [05:11] |
jothan | I doubt moldy pizza is deflationary in value | [05:11] |
weex | moldypizzacoin is coming right up | [05:11] |
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pigeons | i saved a mcdonald's french fry in the shape of an aids ribbon to put on ebay | [05:12] |
vebb | best way to buy btc via cc? or is that too taboo because of chargebacks? | [05:12] |
pigeons | yeah vebb, not much cc, what is that google checkout site? btcnow.com or something? | [05:12] |
vebb | wat | [05:13] |
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pigeons | also you can buy physical bitcoins and redeem them from memorydealers.com but there is a large premium | [05:13] |
vebb | I went there and it went to breakthroughmgt | [05:13] |
vebb | lol | [05:13] |
pigeons | someone will correct me | [05:13] |
pigeons | btc-e.com takes ukash or at least they used to, which can be funded with cc | [05:14] |
pigeons | i've seen a few people in this channel sell with their own merchant accounts but i doubt they will if you have no trust | [05:14] |
jothan | if stale food is your thing: a mcdonald's happy meal does not decay over months http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1319562/McDonalds-Happy-Meal-bought-Sally-Davies-shows-sign-mould-6-months.html | [05:14] |
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pigeons | and paxum has started allowing funding via credit card, not sure of all the details, the fees are a bit high, but several exchanges, including the daddy, mtgox take paxum | [05:16] |
vebb | i'll sell my facebook page for btc | [05:16] |
vebb | 70k likes - who's keen? | [05:16] |
vebb | haha | [05:16] |
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vebb | jokes | [05:16] |
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pigeons | thanks vragnaroda, i just ignored it cause i saw that before and came to the same conclusion | [05:17] |
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pigeons | vebb: and if you really like fees, virwox will let you buy "second life lindens" via several methods that allow credit card funding, including paypal, and then trade the lindens for bitcoins, but they have restrictions on first time users | [05:18] |
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vebb | ffffuuu | [05:18] |
weex | i just killed my family in hungry hungry hippos | [05:19] |
vebb | restrictions. hmm. I don't mind fees. I like uhh, accessibility and speed. | [05:19] |
pigeons | come up with something better than a facebook account | [05:19] |
vebb | like what | [05:19] |
pigeons | starcraft 2 account? | [05:19] |
vebb | that page has earned me $10 a day for the last month | [05:19] |
vebb | nope. don't really game, sorry. | [05:19] |
vebb | guess I'll use https://bitnz.com/ | [05:20] |
vebb | seems a bit expensive | [05:20] |
pigeons | can you trade facebook credits p2p? i don't want them, just curious | [05:20] |
vebb | not credits. i made a website for the page | [05:20] |
vebb | money via adsense | [05:20] |
vragnaroda | pigeons: Also, sourcing a claim from the daily fail is kickable | [05:20] |
pigeons | heh, makes sense v | [05:20] |
vebb | pigeons: btc-e.com is reputable? | [05:23] |
weex | if you have a couple weeks, paxum works | [05:23] |
weex | be sure to fill out all your paperwork correctly | [05:23] |
weex | no amex | [05:23] |
pigeons | vebb: i use them daily. that doesn't make them reputable, lots of people have reservations about them | [05:23] |
pigeons | but the bigger risk would be leaving money with them | [05:24] |
vebb | ok | [05:24] |
vebb | thanks | [05:24] |
pigeons | cool weex, I was considering verifying my paxum | [05:25] |
vebb | no trusted NZ sellers in here? | [05:27] |
vebb | I want to buy about 10-12 btc | [05:27] |
vebb | will add an extra $25 | [05:28] |
weex | where's the best place to find people who are looking for work for BTC? | [05:29] |
jjjrmy | weex: what do you need? | [05:29] |
nanotube | weex: here's one. #bitcoin-dev and #bitcoin could be another. there was also some site with 'jobs for bitcoin' but i'm not sure how much traffic that gets. forums also. | [05:29] |
pigeons | there are sites like forbitcoin.com, but I would try the forums, or maybe just mention it on one of the regular freelancer sites, put an order on the book here too | [05:30] |
weex | jjjrmy: i'm looking for the answer to the question, not someone to work for me atm | [05:30] |
jjjrmy | weex: ah, lol | [05:30] |
pigeons | well the answer depends on what kind of work ;) | [05:30] |
weex | but then again, i guess i could just point people to jjjrmy | [05:30] |
weex | need something done, jjjrmy's got your back | [05:30] |
jjjrmy | what about me | [05:30] |
jjjrmy | oh lol | [05:30] |
jjjrmy | :p | [05:31] |
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Kenextref | hi cryptoxchange | [05:46] |
cryptoxchange | Hi | [05:46] |
Kenextref | i was going to use your exchange, but then i came here instead :P | [05:46] |
splatster | what are paxum's fees? | [05:47] |
splatster | im trying to see whether i should keep trying to sell by prepaid visa or just use paxum to transfer to an exchage | [05:48] |
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allanlw | how much prepaid visa | [05:53] |
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splatster | $75 | [05:54] |
Category: Logs
Friday, 22 November 2019
Long lines aren't fully visible though or is it just my display here (zooming in/out didn't help either)?
Not even sure why is it a table and not paragraphs since it's meant for reading here.
Friday, 22 November 2019
@Diana Coman
The thing with paragraph tags is you get that extra spacing between lines (for example). Possibly desirable or not.
As for the long lines being cut, both I and whaack have noticed lines being cut within a blockquote tag in the article http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/. Small css tweak needed probably.
Saturday, 23 November 2019
This is just me trying to figure out / iron out the last kinks. It's pretty much all the way there and ready to import, except for cosmetic problems like exactly the misdisplayed table etc.
Ima figure it out tomorrow I guess.
Saturday, 23 November 2019
Turns out the problem's readily fixed by adding an style="font-size:1em;" specification in the table heading. For some reason different parts of the html rendering engine ended up thinking the typeface is different dimensions, fixing it explicitly resolves the divergence.
Saturday, 23 November 2019
It is fixed indeed ie the whole line is visible now. I admit I still find it very hard to read though, possibly because everything is mid-aligned in each cell so the name of the speaker ends up in between the lines of text.
Saturday, 23 November 2019
Turns out that's easily fixed. How about now ?
Saturday, 23 November 2019
Certainly much better - I can follow the lines at least. I can't say I like the table format a lot but at least it's readable now.
Is there any plan to add the reference links on lines too? I'm not sure how would that work in this format when the same line/part is referenced multiple times, hm.
Saturday, 23 November 2019
Actually trivial enough to do, really.
Tuesday, 3 December 2019
fwiw, I'm still seeing some oddities in the display with certain browsers. I did some testing and loaded this specific article on different ones; here's what I got:
Entire timestamp and part of the main text is cut off in Chromium v43 (on my Debian laptop), Chrome v78 (on my windows turd box), and on 'DuckDuckGo browser' (a dumbphone browser).
The last digit of the timestamp is cut off in 'Iceweasel' v31 (a Mozilla browser on my Debian laptop).
Looks fine in both links and lynx.