Forum logs for 12 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
truffles theyve got drones now [00:00]
asciilifeform i attended an interesting talk once by a concussion expert [00:00]
the20year And still want boots on the ground, so.... [00:00]
the20year Drones can always be defeated [00:00]
truffles they look intimidating [00:00]
truffles the massive ones with legs [00:00]
the20year Oh well [00:00]
mircea_popescu From the foundation of the city till the reign of the Emperor Gratian, the foot wore cuirasses and helmets. But negligence and sloth having by degrees introduced a total relaxation of discipline, the soldiers began to think their armor too heavy, as they seldom put it on. They first requested leave from the Emperor to lay aside the cuirass and afterwards the helmet. In consequence of this, our troops in their engagemen [00:00]
mircea_popescu ts with the Goths were often overwhelmed with their showers of arrows. Nor was the necessity of obliging the infantry to resume their cuirasses and helmets discovered, notwithstanding such repeated defeats, which brought on the destruction of so many great cities. Troops, defenseless and exposed to all the weapons of the enemy, are more disposed to fly than fight. What can be expected from a foot-archer without cuirass [00:00]
mircea_popescu or helmet, who cannot hold at once his bow and shield; or from the ensigns whose bodies are naked, and who cannot at the same time carry a shield and the colors? The foot soldier finds the weight of a cuirass and even of a helmet intolerable. This is because he is so seldom exercised and rarely puts them on. [00:00]
asciilifeform he had a computer model which explained why certain - helmeted - men ended up with brain damage, while grunts in the same vehicle, sans helmet, didn't. [00:00]
asciilifeform the helmet focused the shock wave. [00:01]
asciilifeform not that armour is worthless - simply that reality is a complicated place. [00:02]
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truffles or we're not that advance yet [00:02]
mircea_popescu reality may be a complicated place, but the tactical utility of printed guns is still purely imaginary. [00:02]
the20year correct [00:02]
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mircea_popescu even if you get them to shoot safely, you're far far away from them shooting energetically enough to count [00:03]
the20year The real use for 3d printed guns (in the US at least) is to make ones that utilize the homebuilding law so they're not on paperwork [00:03]
asciilifeform printed crossbow could conceivably be of some use. [00:03]
the20year Why is printing important? [00:03]
mircea_popescu it's much easier to make a crossvbow than to print one [00:03]
benkay i am more convinced than i was an hour ago on the printable guns thing [00:03]
the20year tabletop CnC is cheap and you can make just about any firearm you want with one [00:03]
asciilifeform some people seems to fetishize the process of 'push a button without thinking' [00:03]
mircea_popescu i could make you one within the hour, and teach you to make one in a day [00:03]
the20year and lathes and milling machines have existed for 100 years [00:03]
asciilifeform which is why 3d printer is a mass topic at all [00:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform ya well those people also have nil tactical utility-value. [00:04]
the20year Think about it , the first belt fed machine gun was made in the late 1800s, do you think that the technology to make it has magically disappeared? [00:04]
asciilifeform in afghanistan, in africa, blacksmiths build perfectly good ak clones with hand tools. [00:04]
asciilifeform not rocket surgery here. [00:04]
the20year COrrect [00:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4927 @ 0.00296834 = 14.625 BTC [+] {13} [00:05]
asciilifeform modern ammunition, on the other hand, requires industry. [00:05]
the20year How so [00:05]
mircea_popescu you can mix your own powder and make your own bullets just fine [00:05]
asciilifeform certainly, for a musket. [00:05]
mircea_popescu just reuse the casings :D [00:06]
mircea_popescu they did it in fallout! [00:06]
the20year Brass casings are reusable, gunpowder can be made cheaply/effectiely from easy to procure chemcicals , the bullet is the easiest part itself to mak [00:06]
the20year *make [00:06]
benkay yes but xbows [00:06]
benkay i am a convince. [00:06]
mircea_popescu the20year he has a point tho, in the sense of brass casingsd are reusable for a finite number of shots. [00:06]
asciilifeform primers are tricky [00:06]
the20year Plus i'm not aware of any country that has made brass cases illegal [00:06]
the20year Not exactly [00:06]
the20year Casings can last over 50 times if you download the ammo, which you will be doing anyway with homemade powder [00:07]
mircea_popescu over 50 times is finite. [00:07]
the20year Primers are easy to make, the chemical composition is 150 years old [00:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 540 @ 0.003 = 1.62 BTC [+] {2} [00:07]
the20year Well, if you want infinite, then just make your own cases [00:07]
asciilifeform if you're in a real bind, you might want to go with liquid propellant and electrical priming. [00:07]
mircea_popescu which requires some industry. is all i was saying. [00:07]
the20year Why? conventional powder and primer compound is cheap and effective [00:07]
the20year If by industry you mean a guy with a set of presses and punches, sure [00:07]
asciilifeform cheap is a tricky concept. a plastic fork is cheap, until it isn't, and is entirely unobtainable [00:08]
the20year But remember, during WW2 most ammo in the USSR was being made by giving children the tools to do it [00:08]
asciilifeform if you have to make it with your own hands [00:08]
the20year asciilifeform: $50 will get you enough priming compound to load 10,000 rounds of ammunition [00:08]
asciilifeform today. in a civilized place. [00:08]
mircea_popescu ha, since i was going through old tomes, look what a gem i found : [00:08]
mircea_popescu "Although these men differ in customs and language from those with whom they have taken refuge, and are unaccustomed too, if I may say so, to the nauseous odor of the bodies and clothing of the barbarians, yet they prefer the strange life they find there to the injustice rife among the Romans." [00:08]
mircea_popescu " So you find men passing over everywhere, now to the Goths, now to the Bagaudae, or whatever other barbarians have established their power anywhere ... We call those men rebels and utterly abandoned, whom we ourselves have forced into crime. For by what other causes were they made Bagaudae save by our unjust acts, the wicked decisions of the magistrates, the proscription and extortion of those who have turned the publ [00:09]
mircea_popescu ic exactions to the increase of their private fortunes and made the tax indictions their opportunity for plunder?" [00:09]
the20year If this is all theoretical then, just stock up on ammo if you live in the US , or reloading components [00:09]
asciilifeform the20year: this is a tremendously-popular hobby here. [00:09]
the20year what hobby? WHere is here? [00:10]
asciilifeform u.s. [00:10]
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the20year Easy to buy ammo and stock up in the US [00:10]
the20year There's absolutely no reason in worrying about all this theoretical stuff, just buy cheap and stack deep if you live here [00:10]
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asciilifeform the original discussion was, i think, about what could in principle be made with one's own hands, out of commonly-available raw materials [00:11]
the20year Then your answer is - Submachine guns [00:11]
the20year If you want to go the firearms route [00:12]
asciilifeform the gun is the easy part [00:12]
asciilifeform that was the point [00:12]
the20year Ammo isn't too bad if you want to set up the process ,or just make a muzzleloader [00:12]
asciilifeform muzzle-loading submachine gun? [00:12]
the20year just a muzzleloader [00:12]
asciilifeform point remains, that the military significance of 3d printer is small, while that of the hand file and forge, remains great. [00:14]
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the20year Correct [00:15]
the20year The Sten and PPS-43 were both primarily made by children during ww2, and they are still being used around the world today [00:15]
the20year Both at a cost of just a few dollar (equivilent) at the time [00:15]
asciilifeform right. 'open bolt' schema is easy to manufacture, and for that (among other reasons) is forbidden in the u.s. [00:16]
the20year Up until 1980 :D [00:16]
the20year Technically, if you can find a open-bolt gun that was made prior to 1980 it's still legal [00:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.02419965 = 0.726 BTC [+] {3} [00:17]
asciilifeform i recall reading that they're bought and sold rather like famous paintings. [00:17]
asciilifeform with traceable pedigree, etc. [00:17]
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the20year It's easy to find and date them based on serial numbers, sales price is quite high though, around $2,000 for a tec-9 or 22 that sold for say $150 prior to 1980 [00:18]
asciilifeform interesting [00:18]
the20year Same with guns manufactured prior to 1898 that aren't considered firearms anymore [00:19]
the20year Even though they might take modern cartridges [00:19]
asciilifeform how did it come about that they aren't considered arms? [00:19]
the20year That's just hte cutoff date [00:19]
the20year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antique_gun [00:19]
ozbot Antique gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:19]
the20year I have a 1895 mauser that's an antique....is an absolutely awesome rifle [00:20]
asciilifeform this legal oddity rings a bell. i once wandered into an antique shop near wash. dc, and they had an Ottoman musket for sale. no paperwork, etc. [00:20]
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the20year Anything prior to 1899 is legal , granted some states have other rules. Sadly the maxim and potato digger aren't covered [00:21]
asciilifeform potato digger? [00:21]
the20year http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1895_Colt-Browning_machine_gun [00:21]
ozbot M1895 Colt-Browning machine gun - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:21]
the20year First US made machine gun [00:21]
truffles imagine if they had those back in the day [00:22]
truffles line up and spray [00:22]
the20year in what day? [00:22]
the20year They were used from the late 1800s through ww2 [00:22]
truffles 1800s ? [00:22]
the20year Maxim is still being used today [00:22]
truffles ok 1600s [00:22]
the20year Well, in the 1700s you had the giardoni air rifle which was a rapid fire gun [00:23]
asciilifeform the one where the air bottle sometimes burst? [00:23]
the20year Yeah [00:23]
asciilifeform famous 'before their time' techno masterpiece... [00:23]
the20year Granted if you want to see what happens when you use line warfar against machine guns, just take a look at ww1 [00:23]
the20year would have been no different than 1800s, 1700s, 1600s - massed infantry in static lines trying to take positions held by machine guns [00:25]
asciilifeform technologically-mismatched battles are a curious fetish among some people [00:26]
asciilifeform maxim against cavalry, 'drone' against rusty truck in afghanistan... [00:26]
the20year Sure, but if you're curious what happens, there's plenty of information out there on when it does ocurr [00:26]
asciilifeform maxim vs. zulu, perhaps most famously [00:27]
the20year Or italian cavalry in ww2 attacking soviet positions, a bayonette charge in iraq in 2004, the last usage of a sword in combat in vietnam , ect [00:27]
asciilifeform there are persistent rumours of a Polish ww2 lance charge against a tank column. [00:27]
the20year Rourkes drift comes pretty close to that [00:27]
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asciilifeform for further anachronism value: chariots (albeit with maxim) saw plentiful action in the russian civil war. [00:28]
mircea_popescu a trained man with a sword is a better asset in close quarters than dudes with guns [00:30]
the20year Yeah [00:31]
mircea_popescu course that training is prohibitively expensive [00:31]
the20year Thus why police have the 21ft rule [00:31]
asciilifeform "an officer without a sword is improperly dressed" [00:31]
mircea_popescu so it's not really practical, from a strategic perspective. nevertheless... [00:31]
asciilifeform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Churchill [00:31]
ozbot Jack Churchill - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [00:31]
the20year soldiers still carry bayonettes [00:31]
mircea_popescu the20year and don't know how to use them [00:31]
the20year Tell that to the scotts [00:31]
mircea_popescu i just meant generally. [00:32]
the20year I don't know , when i talked to a guy in 2003-4 about his time in Iraq, he seemed to indicate his unit trained with them. I do believe the marines still train [00:33]
mircea_popescu people all over the us train in reading and writing. [00:34]
mircea_popescu so what of it ? [00:34]
nubbins` ^ leel [00:34]
nubbins` point of the day [00:34]
the20year Eh, i'd bet money there are plenty that still could use them effectively [00:34]
mircea_popescu no argument there. [00:34]
mircea_popescu an army however is about the weakest not the strongest link [00:35]
asciilifeform if i recall, bayonet is the original 'MAD' weapon [00:35]
mircea_popescu (which is why the us army has been evolving towards smaller and smaller units as the quality of recruits sunk) [00:35]
asciilifeform in that most bayonet charges did not end with a mass perforation, but with one side fleeing [00:35]
the20year Yeah, that's been the US tradition for a while though [00:35]
the20year except in vietnam with the US army [00:35]
mircea_popescu so in the most recent rng tests for the cardano we now see Entropy = 7.999926 bits per byte. [00:39]
mircea_popescu Monte Carlo value for Pi is 3.141602161 ; Serial correlation coefficient is 0.000435 [00:39]
Apocalyptic that's brutally great [00:39]
mircea_popescu i daresay this is the best 2,5mb random sample i ever did see [00:40]
nubbins` awesome [00:40]
mircea_popescu it's definitely up there. [00:40]
pankkake too good to be true, scam [00:40]
nubbins` are the final dimensions known? [00:41]
mircea_popescu for the benefit of "i can write a website too!" crowd : this is the result of removing about 14 different bias sources [00:41]
asciilifeform 2 x 3 inch. [00:41]
mircea_popescu which "weren't there" when we begun taking them out [00:41]
nubbins` ah, smaller than a business card [00:41]
nubbins` height? [00:41]
asciilifeform ~1 tall [00:41]
nubbins` aha [00:41]
nubbins` that's nice [00:42]
asciilifeform runs on a CR2450 [00:42]
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nubbins` ah nice [00:43]
nubbins` those are less than a buck each in quantity [00:43]
asciilifeform correct. [00:43]
nubbins` micro-usb in? [00:43]
asciilifeform yes. [00:44]
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Vexual g'day gents [01:01]
truffles hello mate [01:02]
Vexual howzit? [01:03]
truffles alrighty mate, just sips of tea [01:03]
truffles u? [01:03]
Vexual lovely jubly [01:03]
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Vexual foundation says no more 9.9k free tx [01:05]
asciilifeform didn't 'foundation' also say 'no more tx except from u.s. gov. approved addrs' ? [01:06]
asciilifeform or was that a dream [01:06]
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Vexual yes, perhaps 10k wont print to a4 at the requisite font size [01:07]
mircea_popescu lol [01:07]
pankkake http://www.pidjin.net/2013/12/09/bitcoined/ [01:08]
ozbot Bitcoined « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [01:08]
mircea_popescu lol romanians heard of bitcoin nao ? [01:09]
mircea_popescu this is the end days. [01:09]
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Apocalyptic heh [01:09]
asciilifeform http://www.pidjin.net/2013/11/07/famous-last-words/ [01:10]
ozbot Famous last words « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [01:10]
Vexual ;see... [01:11]
asciilifeform http://www.pidjin.net/2013/09/26/clean-job/ [01:13]
ozbot Clean job « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [01:13]
Vexual standardize, protect, and promote [01:14]
Vexual different departments? [01:15]
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Vexual Although Bitcoin is not anonymous by default, Bitcoin addresses were not a factor in solving the case. [01:19]
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Vexual While official federal policy as developed in the agencies ... ... [01:40]
Vexual our membership does [01:40]
Vexual not rely on cable television for its information [01:40]
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dub http://i.imgur.com/uxLSYen.jpg [01:43]
pankkake ♥ [01:44]
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kanzure since second market already bought 68,000 btc, why does everyone keep thinking they will see activity on mtgox etc? [01:49]
gribble Error: Failure to retrieve ticker. Try again later. [01:49]
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truffles Diablo-D3 ive been looking at this domestic man paleo site [01:50]
truffles so much yum [01:50]
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truffles http://thedomesticman.com/2013/01/15/shirred-eggs-with-sausage-and-spinach/ site linked from food chan [01:52]
ozbot Shirred Eggs with Sausage and Spinach | The Domestic Man [01:52]
truffles i know [01:53]
truffles im thinking of what to use instead of those [01:53]
truffles or in combo's [01:53]
Vexual my quiche has too much crust :( [01:54]
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Vexual caveman my arse [01:54]
truffles thinly sliced chicken maybe [01:54]
truffles did u know that watermelon rinds could be pickled! [01:56]
jurov SPAM is not Paleo lol [01:56]
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sbp yeah, everybody knows SPAM is Viking [01:58]
Vexual can on [01:58]
Vexual crunchy [01:58]
truffles im just looking at easy to make stuff that isnt too fatty, not really into paleo [01:58]
pankkake too fattening you mean? [01:59]
truffles ya [01:59]
truffles gotta prepare for the xmas gain [01:59]
pankkake paleo is all about loving the good fat :) [01:59]
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* truffles can stand to lose some fat [02:01]
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pankkake he meant the canned food. I guess [02:03]
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jurov http://www.flickr.com/photos/fuxoft/6806801300/in/set-1496129 some paleo stuff [02:04]
mircea_popescu can you pickle fat ? [02:04]
ozbot Penis licker | Flickr - Photo Sharing [02:04]
mircea_popescu melon rinds, fattie rinds, all the same. [02:04]
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truffles spring rolls! [02:05]
deadweasel two roasted chickens [02:05]
truffles one isnt enough eh [02:06]
deadweasel eating alone? [02:06]
deadweasel go find a hobo [02:06]
deadweasel feed him chicken [02:06]
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truffles i try not to make solo "meals" [02:07]
deadweasel so what are you gonna make? [02:08]
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deadweasel don't leave me hangin' bro [02:08]
truffles cant make the stuff there, dont have ingredients, but i do plan on making meat ball stew/soup [02:08]
deadweasel nom. [02:09]
truffles yea hopefully i dont have to eat it all! [02:09]
deadweasel it's a problem.. i ate 3/4 of a casserole last night. good luck, i haven't figured that one out. [02:10]
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truffles ur gf is picky eater? [02:11]
deadweasel wat? [02:11]
truffles u said u got a "new" gf 2 days ago or so [02:11]
deadweasel so far she has eaten everything I've fed her. [02:12]
deadweasel no pun intended. [02:12]
truffles haha [02:12]
mircea_popescu no punis intended ? [02:12]
deadweasel no, penis tended. [02:13]
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benkay penis tendered! [02:13]
deadweasel slightly tenderized. [02:13]
deadweasel her your receipt, mam [02:13]
deadweasel here* [02:14]
benkay hold up i gotta tender some cock [02:14]
mircea_popescu turgid ball soup [02:14]
deadweasel lol [02:14]
mircea_popescu sounds like an azn eatery. [02:14]
deadweasel it's probably tasty. [02:14]
truffles a man should eat what is presented to him though [02:15]
truffles good for her not being picky [02:15]
deadweasel let us know truf [02:15]
deadweasel i ate all stuff too, no worries there. :) [02:15]
deadweasel her* [02:15]
deadweasel words not making to kb [02:15]
deadweasel wtf [02:15]
truffles ure not talking about food anymore im guessing [02:15]
deadweasel no, she bought brunch [02:16]
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deadweasel go eat your turgid balls and bring pics [02:16]
truffles thats for tomorrow [02:17]
truffles i could do something different [02:17]
truffles http://thedomesticman.com/2011/04/04/chicken-cordon-bleu/#more-1069 looks yum [02:17]
ozbot Chicken Cordon Bleu | The Domestic Man [02:17]
nubbins` http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:157844 [02:20]
ozbot P6*6 120 Pinhole Camera by schlem - Thingiverse [02:20]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 64 @ 0.00250001 = 0.16 BTC [-] [02:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/#c2048 [02:33]
mircea_popescu this is how you know you're top dog, noobs come to abuse your open comments to spamvertise their shit. [02:34]
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pankkake "This is Bitcoin, which is worse than life." [02:36]
kakobrekla yeah, you can end life. you cant end bitcoin. [02:36]
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pankkake ;;estimate [02:38]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1027632809.34 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days [02:38]
pankkake I so want it to be No [02:38]
mircea_popescu it was 1050 last iirc [02:38]
mircea_popescu flagging a little. this is gonna be a nailbiter [02:38]
kakobrekla also mp, captcha not hard enough [02:39]
thestringpuller yea why is the captcha always the same [02:39]
kakobrekla because you only need to prove you are smart once [02:39]
deadweasel Anonymous 07-12-13 at 15:36 [02:40]
deadweasel If more kids starved in america there would be no snackmans [02:40]
deadweasel ok, who was that? [02:40]
kakobrekla prolly anon [02:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2920001 BTC [-] [02:40]
deadweasel noway [02:40]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla> because you only need to prove you are smart once << win [02:41]
pankkake that's very true, the first time I saw that captcha I think I was too lazy and closed the tab [02:41]
mircea_popescu captcha should probably be "name the last woman that gave you a fair lay" [02:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 28 @ 0.29082144 = 8.143 BTC [-] {7} [02:41]
truffles none [02:42]
deadweasel haha [02:42]
mircea_popescu if someone named their daughter None [02:42]
mircea_popescu and then she grew up to have no tits... [02:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.29 = 2.61 BTC [-] [02:42]
dexX7 ^ simple minded psychopath [02:42]
mircea_popescu ono [02:43]
truffles boob job ftw [02:43]
mircea_popescu :( [02:43]
Vexual you're supposed to laugh [02:43]
mircea_popescu i can't. [02:43]
deadweasel truf gotthe extra boobs? [02:43]
Vexual didn't you get the memo? [02:43]
kakobrekla dexX7, its complex minded psycopath [02:43]
mircea_popescu psychosith [02:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.28701303 = 4.8792 BTC [-] {7} [02:43]
kakobrekla w/e [02:43]
dexX7 hehe [02:43]
truffles boob jobs are waste, id tell my girl no [02:44]
pankkake is it better to have more boobs, or bigger boobs? [02:44]
deadweasel agreed [02:44]
jurov better psychopath than slanderous soul, i spose [02:44]
kakobrekla up to 4 you are better with more [02:44]
kakobrekla then bigger counts [02:44]
kakobrekla same as with cores [02:44]
mircea_popescu hahahah [02:44]
Vexual flee [02:44]
pankkake !b 9 [02:45]
assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1500958/plain/) [02:45]
mircea_popescu i believe 36 is a sufficient number of captcha. [02:45]
kakobrekla jurov its not like one has a choise [02:45]
pankkake !b should accept an offset arg [02:45]
kakobrekla just make a comment before like this: first 10 [02:46]
kakobrekla !b 20 [02:46]
jurov no it should autobash triggered on boobs [02:46]
assbot Last 20 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1500959/plain/) [02:46]
mircea_popescu !b should actually increase one's boobs. [02:46]
truffles more than handful is too much pankkake [02:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.05 = 0.55 BTC [02:46]
pankkake tried to use !b cause I don't think web submit works [02:46]
mircea_popescu waht ?! [02:47]
pankkake or I only submit unfunny stuff :cry: [02:47]
mircea_popescu i used web submit a coupla times [02:47]
mircea_popescu did it go to bitbucket ?! [02:47]
kakobrekla web submit should work [02:47]
kakobrekla why not [02:47]
kakobrekla lets test [02:48]
kakobrekla works [02:48]
pankkake so the "havelock has become the slut of exchanges" was deemed not funny? [02:48]
pankkake (it's the only one I have in my form history) [02:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 410 @ 0.0029679 = 1.2168 BTC [+] {13} [02:48]
kakobrekla i see theres about 10 pending ones [02:50]
kakobrekla and one matches 'slut' [02:50]
kakobrekla ill get to it soon [02:50]
kakobrekla very fuckin busy [02:50]
pankkake oh, ok [02:50]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla you should hire a sloven girl to do the moderation there [02:50]
mircea_popescu and your forum pr-ing [02:50]
kakobrekla if someone wants to help mod this , be my guest [02:50]
Vexual thats what my sommilier said, [02:50]
mircea_popescu it's sommelier [02:51]
nubbins` "put a cork in it"? [02:51]
Vexual he said that too [02:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 49 @ 0.05 = 2.45 BTC [02:52]
Vexual i said if you dont want two eyes, keep serving me last [02:52]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu, this bash is too specific, a girl would need years of training to chew through it [02:53]
kakobrekla its like a small irc community inside small assets community inside small btc community [02:54]
kakobrekla noone gets it. [02:54]
truffles unfunny is still unfunny .. [02:55]
kakobrekla hm? [02:55]
mircea_popescu women are here to be tortured. [02:55]
mircea_popescu torture them. [02:55]
pankkake truffles: but the funniness of a joke often depends on its obscurity [02:56]
pankkake the less people can get it, the more funny it is [02:56]
mircea_popescu if we stoped to consider what people consider funny there'd be no humor at all. [02:56]
pankkake I think there's even a xkcd on this [02:56]
kakobrekla xkcd is not funny anymore, too mainstream! [02:57]
pankkake I was reading xkcd before it was popular [02:57]
truffles nerd humor sure [02:58]
pankkake no really. jokes between a few friends only you can get [02:58]
kakobrekla yeah well i left britney alone before you! [02:58]
mircea_popescu all humor is nerd humor. just different types of nerds. [02:58]
truffles o.0 [02:58]
deadweasel when our brains are implanted into the machine, these will be archeological sites. [02:58]
kanzure git commit jokes from xkcd are too mainstream? [02:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 18.78434400 BTC to 13`920 shares, 134945 satoshi per share [03:00]
kanzure what do you want, panes complaining about blockchain sizes? [03:00]
pankkake git is very mainstream [03:00]
pankkake I mean, fucking github [03:00]
kanzure 2 blockchainz gonna rap it up with snoop [03:00]
mircea_popescu github wow. [03:01]
pankkake so much commits [03:02]
kakobrekla // [03:02]
pankkake much stars [03:03]
pankkake very social [03:03]
kakobrekla dexX7 hows the bleeding on your screens [03:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 4.31491714 BTC to 336`577 shares, 1282 satoshi per share [03:04]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.05 = 0.45 BTC [03:05]
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dexX7 nothing notable [03:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.00257019 = 1.2851 BTC [-] {15} [03:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14704999 BTC [+] [03:07]
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truffles i read that as Lorenzo "no" money ofc [03:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00267941 = 0.134 BTC [+] {6} [03:11]
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jurov https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=DOGE now they are in it, too [03:14]
Vexual got me [03:15]
jurov haha [03:15]
jurov goodnight [03:15]
thestringpuller haha you got me too [03:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 89 @ 0.00299999 = 0.267 BTC [-] [03:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 92 @ 0.00299966 = 0.276 BTC [-] {2} [03:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00299999 = 0.144 BTC [+] [03:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2989 BTC [+] [03:28]
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Vexual doges kill bitcointalk? [03:36]
jcpham much doge [03:37]
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Vexual such tricky [03:39]
nubbins` not premine, so scrypt [03:39]
mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1500997/ << check out mad javascript skills [03:41]
ozbot dpaste: #1500997 [03:41]
mircea_popescu var oldonload = window.onload; [03:41]
mircea_popescu window.onload = (typeof window.onload != 'function') ? loadChartbeat : function() { oldonload(); loadChartbeat(); }; [03:41]
Vexual whodat [03:42]
mircea_popescu some kid. [03:42]
nubbins` that's some interesting code [03:43]
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mircea_popescu it looks like it was written by someone with such competence very security. [03:43]
mircea_popescu much trust! [03:43]
nubbins` many key, so invest [03:43]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th0G8rkhBqg << the original doge, btw, was bogart. [03:44]
ozbot Casablanca - What watch? [CC] - YouTube [03:44]
pankkake what goes in the mind of people who promote a serive before it opens [03:46]
nubbins` "i'm helping"? [03:46]
truffles buzz [03:46]
nubbins` "lel omg"? [03:46]
pankkake you get buzz and people don't come back because there was nothing [03:46]
truffles build up [03:47]
Apocalyptic be sure to sell pre-orders [03:47]
mircea_popescu it's like truffles is a repository of all the wrong notions. [03:47]
truffles eh? [03:48]
mircea_popescu what buzz lol [03:48]
thestringpuller ;;google buzz buzz [03:49]
gribble Buzz Buzz - EarthBound Wiki - This wiki stinks!: ; Laurie Berkner - Bumblebee (Buzz Buzz) - YouTube: ; Amazon.com: Buzz Buzz: Music: [03:49]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.299 BTC [+] [03:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 50 @ 0.0028 = 0.14 BTC [+] [03:50]
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Vexual the australian government underestimated the cost involved with burying fibre optic net to every house on the continent [03:55]
Vexual many wiretap, still fail [03:56]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.29 = 1.45 BTC [-] [03:57]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.28868002 = 1.4434 BTC [-] {2} [03:58]
pankkake http://i.imgur.com/58acA0m.png looks like Idiocracy even predicted inflation [03:58]
Vexual i imagine that prez is dead already [03:59]
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benkay ;;ticker --market btcavg [04:01]
gribble BitcoinAverage BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 892.77, Best ask: 899.02, Bid-ask spread: 6.25000, Last trade: 896.55, 24 hour volume: 90735.97, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: 910.96 [04:01]
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Vexual 3x all the bitcoins so australia can get faster pron [04:07]
Vexual if i paid tax id be really cross [04:10]
truffles music links plz [04:11]
kakobrekla o lol [04:13]
kakobrekla wrote to someone earlier to do more reading and less question asking [04:13]
kakobrekla got email reply now [04:14]
kakobrekla http://shrani.si/f/l/Dl/2mFbDarR/unnamed.jpg [04:14]
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kakobrekla too bad it isnt a spider [04:14]
Vexual they need less bandwidth [04:14]
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thestringpuller ;;bait [04:25]
gribble Error: "bait" is not a valid command. [04:25]
thestringpuller boo [04:25]
thestringpuller ;;echo .bait [04:26]
gribble .bait [04:26]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0abxk6VUL1r440j0o1_1280.jpg [04:26]
thestringpuller ;;echo .bait [04:26]
gribble .bait [04:26]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m19lfh2c6r1r6detlo1_400.jpg [04:26]
pankkake that's a good lenght of shirt [04:26]
pankkake .bait [04:26]
thestringpuller ;;echo .bait [04:26]
ozbot http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0t4xhCsxS1r6i8czo1_500.jpg [04:26]
gribble .bait [04:27]
thestringpuller the porn lottery [04:27]
thestringpuller there we go [04:27]
Vexual u only get one ticket and pankakke won [04:27]
pankkake not sure [04:27]
Vexual no swapsies [04:28]
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truffles pankkake any new blog posts? [04:32]
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thestringpuller ;;echo .bait [04:33]
gribble .bait [04:33]
nubbins` 3d printed sausage casings [04:33]
truffles forgot the addy [04:33]
ozbot http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0mzamw5Zn1r6ogo4o1_500.jpg [04:33]
pankkake no [04:33]
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pankkake oh I like that bait [04:33]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/ [04:33]
Vexual fuck pankakke, ill take that if you prefer the first [04:34]
mircea_popescu the butt in water one is by far the better. [04:34]
Vexual oh it was dickstrinbg [04:34]
truffles the blue thing on bottom right is troubling [04:36]
Vexual still down here mp [04:36]
KRS1 wow she even look good in black and white [04:37]
Vexual who is it? [04:37]
pankkake vikki blows according to google images [04:37]
Vexual ill bet she does [04:38]
pankkake yeah, I dig the name. http://genesismedya.com/upload/resimler/galeri/z145f45f4d5fgd478gd7fg8df78678gds.jpg [04:38]
truffles both seem heavy on the face paint [04:40]
pankkake I'll make that makeup run down her face [04:41]
Vexual i dont think shell be jogging anywhere in those shoes mate [04:42]
asciilifeform phun phact: finally got in the mail: set of vacuum lifter tips. made of high-temp rubber by: Buna! (only ever heard that name in the context of Auschwitz III. had no idea the brand still existed!) [04:44]
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Vexual whata a vacuum lifter tip? robot sonic? [04:46]
asciilifeform it's a kind of hand tool: https://vimeo.com/81028241 [04:46]
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Vexual is nsa building a production facility? [04:47]
asciilifeform a proper factory has robotic equivalent [04:48]
asciilifeform it's how 'surface-mount' parts get on the boards. [04:48]
Vexual i was gonna say your pics looked artisan applied [04:48]
asciilifeform photo/film is of the one in my kitchen... [04:48]
asciilifeform cheapo. [04:49]
asciilifeform the kind with squeeze bulb, you can get for a few $. [04:50]
asciilifeform but if you must align under a microscope, you need a platform. [04:50]
Vexual your smrs are neat [04:51]
asciilifeform if y're utterly broke you can use tweezers. but it's a pain. [04:52]
Vexual id trust some chinese lady with four kids to make 30/hr over a robot [04:54]
asciilifeform they use those for 'through-hole' components. [04:54]
Vexual one of her kids can do that at the same rate [04:55]
Vexual what are you building next? [04:57]
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asciilifeform let that be a surprise. [04:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.09 = 0.27 BTC [-] [04:59]
asciilifeform who doesn't like surprises [04:59]
Vexual im intrigued [04:59]
asciilifeform mp can drop hints if he feels like it. [04:59]
mircea_popescu i'd rather drop mints [04:59]
asciilifeform haha [05:00]
pankkake http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-11/fidelity-now-allowing-bitcoins-iras [05:00]
ozbot Fidelity Now Allowing Bitcoins In IRAs | Zero Hedge [05:00]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Namecoin's blockchain would be better, but the miners rejected my DVD iso images [05:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [05:01]
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mircea_popescu "This whole fucking thing has been embraced way to quickly and smoothly by TPTB for there to be a coincidence, folks." [05:04]
mircea_popescu lol. [05:04]
asciilifeform in the '90s, 'sci.crypt' was full of kids who swore they broke rsa. where are the kids swearing they broke ecdsa? [05:05]
asciilifeform (and will start emptying coldwallets 'any day now' naturally) [05:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.28388885 = 1.1356 BTC [-] {2} [05:06]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i was kinda lolling at pankkake's link. [05:06]
asciilifeform well yeah, 'TPTB know something we don't' implication [05:06]
mircea_popescu the random idiot with delusions of knowledge populating the various social media outlets has switched from "tptb will kill bitcoin", a la goldbug's bs [05:07]
mircea_popescu to "tptp embraced btc too quickly". [05:07]
pankkake I always find it weird that people believe $randomgovagency must have some super hidden tech [05:07]
mircea_popescu this change has been much too rapid and smooth to leave any room for hope said rats are actually equipped with brains too [05:07]
mircea_popescu pankkake it's like the ingrained belief of cuckolded husbands that their mistress has a really sexy cunt. [05:08]
asciilifeform the 'it's a trap!' hypothesis is alluring and can never really be disproven. [05:08]
mircea_popescu she doesn't, but if they didn't believe that they couldn't put up with their life. [05:08]
pankkake the NSA is probably as efficient as the post office [05:08]
mircea_popescu give or take, yes. [05:09]
asciilifeform the mythical Meta-NSA on the other hand! [05:09]
thestringpuller asciilifeform works fo the NSA [05:09]
Vexual i can solve the drugery of 9002 and ip protection in and hour a day [05:09]
thestringpuller BERRY PUNNY [05:09]
pankkake I'll believe it when I'll see it [05:09]
pankkake no preorders I hope! [05:10]
asciilifeform phnu phact: i applied to work at the classic nsa once [05:10]
Vexual youre not allowed to say that if you dis [05:10]
thestringpuller phnu is not unix!!!! [05:10]
asciilifeform to nobody's particular surprise, they didn't answer [05:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform they can't take walk-ins. it'd make the chinese's job too easy [05:10]
Vexual lol [05:10]
Vexual thought-crime [05:10]
asciilifeform righto. blue blood only. [05:10]
pankkake wanted to pull a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOZllbNarw? [05:11]
thestringpuller http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llaxltGOeC1qizvnso1_500.gif [05:11]
mircea_popescu some days i wish more smart people were involved in bitcoin. [05:12]
mircea_popescu some other days i just wish fewer idiots cluttered about under the delusion they're involved in bitcoin [05:12]
thestringpuller isn't that the same thing? [05:12]
mircea_popescu and then there's the days like today, when i no longer comprehend what the distinction between those two wishes is [05:12]
KRS1 nothing but great news on cryptographic coin lately.. [05:12]
mircea_popescu right. [05:12]
thestringpuller :D [05:12]
Vexual im one of millions but i want the govt [05:12]
thestringpuller "Socrates appears to have been a critic of democracy,[16] and some scholars interpret his trial as an expression of political infighting" [05:13]
thestringpuller democracy is bad mmmkay [05:13]
thestringpuller you niggas don't deserve a vote [05:14]
nubbins` democrates [05:14]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4tmy2KGIEs [05:14]
ozbot Bob Marley 'Silly Hypocrities' - YouTube [05:14]
nubbins` http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/12/11/1919201/freebsd-developers-will-not-trust-chip-based-encryption [05:15]
ozbot FreeBSD Developers Will Not Trust Chip-Based Encryption - Slashdot [05:15]
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mircea_popescu wanted to pull a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrOZllbNarw great link. [05:16]
Vexual my german ip gave me a robin thicke samsung ad when i clicked mps repost [05:18]
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Vexual nsa are just analysts? [05:21]
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javanomad ;;seen unbalanced [05:21]
gribble unbalanced was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 0 hours, 40 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: (wish I'd hit enter a half-second sooner) [05:21]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you've never seen good will hunting? [05:23]
Vexual ever seen perdita durango? [05:23]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: it's not your fault [05:26]
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thestringpuller no no no no no [05:26]
thestringpuller It's not your fault [05:26]
thestringpuller IT'S NOT YOUR FAULT [05:26]
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nubbins` http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nelson-mandela-ceremony-sign-language-interpreter-a-fake-1.2459469 [05:31]
ozbot Nelson Mandela ceremony sign language interpreter a 'fake' - World - CBC News [05:31]
pankkake wow, that's… deafist! [05:33]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy04c-6DEgE [05:33]
ozbot Pink Floyd - Money - YouTube [05:33]
nubbins` Pink Floyd - Bitcoin [05:34]
Vexual poor fucker probably is deaf [05:34]
Vexual harder to make a coin if your deaf than blind [05:35]
nubbins` one of my roommates has no sense of smell [05:35]
nubbins` you can fart around him as much as you want [05:36]
Vexual lol [05:36]
Vexual mp cant tell green from red [05:36]
nubbins` altho when he does it, it's the perfect offensive weapon [05:36]
Vexual use it to your advantage [05:36]
nubbins` send him into crowded areas with a belly full of chili [05:37]
Vexual eek [05:38]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller hm ? [05:38]
mircea_popescu ;;bcstats [05:39]
gribble Current Blocks: 274431 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1760 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 42 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1035260190.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 13.9714 [05:39]
thestringpuller https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtkST5-ZFHw [05:39]
mircea_popescu check it out, basically this is goinna happen on xmas eve [05:39]
thestringpuller ;;estimate [05:40]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1035260190.9 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days [05:40]
thestringpuller ;;nethash [05:40]
gribble 6400549.04237 [05:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 86 @ 0.0029 = 0.2494 BTC [+] [05:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.05 = 1.1 BTC [05:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.29 = 0.58 BTC [+] [06:00]
thestringpuller ;;nethash [06:00]
gribble 6400549.04237 [06:00]
thestringpuller Jules: [while cleaning the bloodied car] Oh man, I will never forgive your ass for this shit. This is some fucked up repugnant shit. [06:07]
thestringpuller Vincent: Jules, did you ever hear the philosophy that once a man admits that he is wrong, that he is immediately forgiven for all wrongdoings? Have you ever heard that? [06:07]
thestringpuller Jules: Get the fuck outta my face with that shit. The motherfucker who said that shit never had to pick up itty bitty pieces of skull on the account of your dumb ass. [06:07]
thestringpuller Vincent: I got a threshold, Jules, I got a threshold for the abuse that I will take. And right now I.m a fucking race-car, alright, and you got me in the red. And I.m just saying, I.m just saying that it.s fucking dangerous to have a race-car in the fucking red, that.s all. I could blow. [06:07]
thestringpuller Jules: Oh, oh, you ready to blow? [06:07]
thestringpuller Vincent: Yeah, I.m ready to blow. [06:07]
thestringpuller Jules: Well I.m a mushroom cloud layin. motherfucker, motherfucker. Every time my fingers touch brain, I.m "Superfly TNT". I.m "The Guns of the Navarone". In fact, what the fuck am I doing in the back? You the motherfucker should be on brain detail. We.re fucking switching. I.m washing the windows, and you picking up this nigga's skull. [06:08]
mod6 haha [06:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02674999 = 0.1337 BTC [-] [06:14]
pankkake nice sum [06:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02674999 = 0.107 BTC [-] [06:15]
Vexual what does hmf do? [06:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 315 @ 0.0029 = 0.9135 BTC [+] [06:19]
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Vexual who runs havelock? [06:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 300 @ 0.00295 = 0.885 BTC [+] [06:20]
Vexual http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1hCsOW129s [06:20]
ozbot "How Low" H.M.S & The R.B.C - YouTube [06:20]
thestringpuller topace [06:21]
thestringpuller topace the canadian goose [06:21]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [14:16]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com || http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading || http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading [14:16]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:54 2013 [14:16]
truffles i wish they edited that part out [14:16]
truffles is there a way to do so? [14:16]
Gotyawallet yep [14:16]
Gotyawallet i've done all kinds of things with audacity [14:16]
truffles i could clean up a bunch of songs [14:16]
Gotyawallet audacity ftw its ez [14:17]
Gotyawallet i made songs better, some longer and what not [14:17]
truffles cool [14:17]
truffles will look into this life changing tech [14:17]
Gotyawallet even gox's market sales data looks scammy..flatline at $885 is sticking out like a sore thumb..wtf. [14:18]
truffles i dont want to make instrumental though [14:19]
truffles just remove specific elements [14:19]
mircea_popescu o look, wences' wallet thing was acquired for 50mn. [14:21]
Gotyawallet Sexual: you may have an exchange now http://www.techinasia.com/australias-coinjar-455000-build-bitcoin-wallet-exchange/ [14:23]
mircea_popescu Confirmed total: 10,009 BTC << BitBet over 10k BTC bet. [14:23]
pigeons yay an exchange run by zhoutong, i know where this leads [14:25]
pigeons the chinese relic hunter is still out there with the real killer of OJ's wife [14:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.304 BTC [+] [14:27]
mircea_popescu pigeons it leads exactly nowhere. [14:28]
pigeons I don't think anyone competent would even have any desire to run a USD/AUD/UK/whatever government money <-> BTC exchange [14:29]
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mircea_popescu depends how large they were. [14:29]
Gotyawallet http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlCmQcRPtRg [14:30]
ozbot Damian Marley - Welcome To Jamrock - YouTube [14:30]
mircea_popescu if it's a case of "shut up or we're building our own nuclear subs" then maybe. [14:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02674999 = 0.2407 BTC [-] {2} [14:35]
mircea_popescu http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/11/how-googles-autocomplete-feature-allegedly-ruined-a-mans-life-and-resulted-in-a-60-million-lawsuit-against-the-govt/ [14:36]
mircea_popescu this is like badbios reloaded. [14:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.00359998 = 0.36 BTC [+] [14:37]
mircea_popescu also proof the internet is for retards and prepubescent children : http://media2.adshuffle.com/images/1053073/c30cb561e1c14890b210284570090c72.jpg [14:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [14:39]
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Gotyawallet I knew that autocomplete was going to fuck someone! [14:55]
Gotyawallet I KNEW IT [14:55]
Gotyawallet Do these people not have any common sense when they make shit like this! [14:55]
mircea_popescu but it helps people by making things easier for them! [14:56]
mircea_popescu i've never ever used because i'm nuts, not because it's patently useless. [14:56]
Gotyawallet i dont understand the picture [14:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00088849 = 10.3509 BTC [-] {2} [14:57]
Gotyawallet I hope that lawyer's up and sues everyone involved to poverty. [14:59]
Gotyawallet (man) [14:59]
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Gotyawallet and shares for lawsuit dollars please [15:00]
Gotyawallet id rather have $60 mil shares instead of $60 mil usd [15:00]
dexX7 Only problem Kantor says is that after he typed the word “controlled,” Google search allegedly auto-completed his phrase with the word “bomb” << lol what [15:02]
pigeons that happens. the question the article doesnt answer is are his claims of how his life was affected true or not [15:04]
pigeons we can't tell the tin foil nut from the oppressed anymore [15:05]
Gotyawallet bottom line, no probable cause? get the fuck out of our searches. [15:05]
pigeons well i don't have anything to hide so i leave the bathroom door open when i take my dumps [15:06]
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mircea_popescu kinda the sign of the end days isn't it. [15:07]
deadweasel http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/12/05/betting-against-bitcoin-bubble/ [15:07]
ozbot How to bet against the bitcoin megabubble - The Term Sheet: Fortune's deals blogTerm Sheet [15:07]
deadweasel MPEx, a stock exchange for companies with shares traded in bitcoins -- there are four of them -- also lists bitcoin options. [15:07]
mircea_popescu so someone please explain benkay` s link to me please. bitbet has a btc/usd bet that has more volume on it than the entire predictious bullshit put together. [15:08]
deadweasel mpex in FORTUNE. [15:08]
deadweasel :) [15:08]
mircea_popescu does tyler durden write about bitbet ? no, does not. [15:08]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is going on there ? [15:08]
mircea_popescu wasn't this zerohedge thing supposed to be like, NOT verge/gawker/vice/whatever ? [15:09]
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mircea_popescu you can't tell the shitholes from the fuckholes anymore i swear. [15:09]
dexX7 oh did they interview you for that line? [15:10]
mircea_popescu dexX7 hm ? [15:10]
dexX7 did a reporter approach you and asked about mpex? [15:10]
mircea_popescu zerohedge has reporters ?! [15:10]
mircea_popescu omfg how long have i been asleep [15:10]
pigeons i bet a reporter asks mircea_popescu about GLBSE before mpex [15:11]
mircea_popescu pigeons i can just link'em :) [15:11]
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deadweasel "MPEx charges 30 bitcoins to open an account, which at Wednesday's closing price was $33,000." [15:12]
mircea_popescu if in the end this comes down to, "some starving fucker in england paid someone @zh $200 for a repvertorial" i'm going to piss all over them. [15:12]
pankkake I'm pretty sure you can easily get published on ZH [15:16]
mircea_popescu dexX7 o you meant the fortune thing did you. yeah, guy was around here for a coupla days asking questions. [15:16]
mircea_popescu (he asked me via email and i sent him here) [15:16]
dexX7 ah okay [15:16]
mircea_popescu it's all in the logs, which is how it should be imo. [15:17]
dexX7 the article doesn't sound very positive though.. or the reporter is clueless about how things work [15:17]
mircea_popescu pankkake well apparently it doesn't work that way. [15:17]
mircea_popescu dexX7 the logs kinda answer that question for ya. which is how it should be #2 :) [15:18]
pankkake they take from a few blogs already, perhaps submit something trollbaiting enough and it will get published [15:18]
mircea_popescu perhaps it's their fucking job to do their fucking job ? [15:19]
mircea_popescu that was the original point, i thought the theory is that zh is not old media. [15:20]
mircea_popescu so far that theory and practice fail to mesh at all. [15:20]
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pankkake well certainly not old media, being contrarian is their raison d'être ! [15:21]
mircea_popescu i fail to see it. that's the most obsequious piece ever. [15:22]
mircea_popescu seriously, promote a disqus based, bullshit black footer site ? [15:23]
mircea_popescu i'd rather promote government cheese. [15:23]
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pankkake zh doesn't use disqus [15:24]
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mircea_popescu the shit they're now promoting does. [15:24]
mircea_popescu complete fucking abdication from any responsibility, it's disgusting. [15:24]
pankkake lol [15:24]
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CynicalBasterd . [15:41]
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dexX7 http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/12/10/this-finance-expert-thinks-bitcoin-will-fall-99-percent-by-june/ omg sell sell sell [15:49]
ozbot This finance expert thinks Bitcoin will fall 99 percent by June [15:49]
pankkake see here: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-will-die/ [15:49]
dexX7 tl;tr: bitcoin is doomed and the euro is decentralized [15:50]
Rulother 99% lol [15:54]
mircea_popescu dexX7 http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-will-die/ [15:55]
pankkake yes bitcoin is 99% lol [15:55]
mircea_popescu you been away for a coupla days i take it >D [15:55]
dexX7 yeah pankkake already linked me to this article :) [15:55]
pankkake 1% speculation [15:55]
mircea_popescu lol okthan! [15:55]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/12/casascius/ [16:13]
ozbot U.S. Government Nastygram Shuts Down One-Man Bitcoin Mint | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [16:13]
mircea_popescu awww. [16:14]
pigeons i thought money was meant and intended to be transmitted [16:15]
pigeons omg you transmitted money [16:15]
pigeons money wants to be transmited [16:15]
pigeons wtf else to do with it [16:16]
ThickAsThieves terrorism bro! [16:16]
ThickAsThieves he can just sell his brand to some european I guess [16:16]
pigeons oh yeah and child porn and drugs [16:18]
topace thestringpuller: correction, i dont run havelock, i run the Havelock Mining Fund (HMF) [16:18]
mircea_popescu so who runs havelock ? [16:19]
pigeons shadowy carribean investors [16:19]
pigeons aka topace ;) [16:20]
mircea_popescu lmao this quest for anonimity. why would anyone trust this thing if nobody actually will step up and say "yeah, it's me" ? [16:20]
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mircea_popescu government tried this route already. it fails. [16:20]
topace the panama fund runs havelock (the exchange) [16:21]
mircea_popescu the panama thing isn't running anything. [16:21]
mircea_popescu you gotta have a person. who is the boss ? [16:21]
topace you can call the office and ask [16:21]
mircea_popescu i ain't calling no office. they come here and tell me. [16:21]
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mircea_popescu if they want to exist, that is. [16:21]
topace heh [16:21]
mircea_popescu wanna bitcoin, gotta play by bitcoin rules. [16:22]
mircea_popescu otherwise, go open a hamburger franchise or w/e. [16:22]
topace but i like hamburgers [16:22]
pigeons manager's face is on the door at my burger place [16:22]
pigeons he's not a clown either ;) [16:23]
mircea_popescu pigeons i thought the company ran the joint. [16:23]
pigeons yeah, well somebody's face is there [16:23]
pigeons he has nice teeth [16:23]
unbalanced mp, get out your wallet ... http://www.craigslist.org/about/best/nhm/4218208723.html [16:24]
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unbalanced What do you get when you have everything? [16:24]
unbalanced ;;seen javanomad [16:25]
gribble javanomad was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 3 minutes, and 6 seconds ago: ;;seen unbalanced [16:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.299 BTC [-] [16:25]
kakobrekla bitbet: Confirmed total: 10,009 BTC [16:25]
kakobrekla congrats. [16:25]
kakobrekla thanks! [16:25]
unbalanced Is that live bets now [16:26]
unbalanced Or lifetime? [16:26]
kakobrekla all of incoming ever [16:26]
unbalanced either way, wow [16:26]
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unbalanced When did you launch? January? [16:27]
kakobrekla yea [16:27]
unbalanced Well played, gentlemen. [16:27]
kakobrekla ty :) [16:27]
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unbalanced javanomad, since we're missing each other here: got the coffee two days ago and handed it all out in 5 minutes to the others at the coworking space [16:29]
mircea_popescu lol da fuck am i gonna do with a unicorn [16:29]
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unbalanced Chicks dig unicorns? [16:29]
mircea_popescu do unicorns dig chicks ? [16:29]
unbalanced javanomad: I was greeted like a conquering hero [16:29]
mircea_popescu pigeons what's with us ppl and teeth anyway [16:30]
mircea_popescu all you hear is how people's teeth are. it's like some weird voodoo shit by now [16:30]
unbalanced But more importantly globe-spanning P2P Bitcoin commerce ftw! They were suddenly way more curious about Bitcoin, it really helps tell the story. [16:30]
mircea_popescu unbalanced good for you. [16:31]
unbalanced Little Bitcoin icon on the package and everything [16:32]
mircea_popescu http://www.jta.org/2013/12/11/news-opinion/world/romanian-state-tv-airs-christmas-carol-about-burning-jews [16:32]
ozbot Romanian state TV airs Christmas carol about burning Jews | Jewish Telegraphic Agency [16:32]
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pigeons mircea_popescu: i noticed when i was a child people's "orthodontists" would reccomend the child get braces to pay for a new boat for the "doctor". He told my mom my sister really needed them because otherwise low self esteem could mar her life forever. You notice lots of people with the exact same shaped teeth, its rather boring. It doesn't seem to bother Britons who floss with pocketknifes and forks [16:33]
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mircea_popescu yeah i was thinking, what a recipe for disaster this is, get a bunch of very emotionally repressed, sexually insecure protestant type people and lock them up in a can where the usual british problem of "acceptable things to talk about" is resolved by economical interest. [16:34]
mircea_popescu if there's not advertisers to make topics acceptable to discuss among strangers, there'd only be silence. [16:34]
mircea_popescu i suppose us housewives hold tupperware parties just for the shred of human contact. [16:35]
ThickAsThieves you arent far off the mark [16:36]
mircea_popescu scandalous. [16:36]
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ThickAsThieves uhh [16:39]
ThickAsThieves http://www.usatoday.com/ [16:39]
ozbot USA TODAY: Latest World and US News - USATODAY.com [16:39]
ThickAsThieves look at the logo [16:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12500 @ 0.00089111 = 11.1389 BTC [+] {5} [16:39]
dexX7 to teh moon [16:39]
mircea_popescu octopussy ? [16:39]
dexX7 looks toxic, in green [16:40]
mircea_popescu o hey. nice. [16:40]
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mircea_popescu "Shortly after his panel on investment opportunities, former child star Brock Pierce (The Mighty Ducks) was engulfed by a throng of admirers." [16:40]
mircea_popescu what was this ? [16:40]
mircea_popescu "Brock Pierce is the godfather of virtual currency," says David Johnston, CEO of Engine, and another early adopter of the digital currency. [16:41]
mircea_popescu o hey lol. jesus went out of style as a style. [16:41]
ThickAsThieves "It's like being on the ground floor of the Internet 20 years ago," Smith said. "Bitcoin is going to be transformative." [16:42]
ThickAsThieves from the article from the green bitcoin logo link [16:42]
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pigeons wtf [16:42]
ThickAsThieves it's awesome watching the shills take form [16:42]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves dude, he was an advocate since the 90s [16:43]
mircea_popescu way before satoshi's time. [16:43]
ThickAsThieves of course [16:43]
mircea_popescu i'm rooting for the guy who was advocating it in korea. [16:43]
ThickAsThieves I invented digital currency once by mistake [16:43]
ThickAsThieves i just didnt patent it [16:43]
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mircea_popescu sue the winklevoss. [16:43]
ThickAsThieves every major article reveals the author/pub's bitcoin ownership status and not much more [16:44]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [16:44]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 905.0, Best ask: 908.354, Bid-ask spread: 3.35400, Last trade: 909.0, 24 hour volume: 11088.84685319, 24 hour low: 856.123, 24 hour high: 959.88, 24 hour vwap: 898.69515 [16:44]
ThickAsThieves such a fkn ponzi [16:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves it also reveals this funny "we have no understanding of any of the constraints of the space, therefore we don't understand what competence is or why would you want to build on the results of others" [16:45]
mircea_popescu pretty anticultural and obviously self limiting. [16:45]
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ThickAsThieves better to be a unique snowflake and make it up as you go [16:46]
ThickAsThieves no one's paying attention anyway [16:46]
mircea_popescu outright sterile, actually. the only thing a guy that comes out to claim he's the guy that REALLY invented bitcoin could possibly produce is a ream of arguments with all the other guys claiming they did it even before him. [16:46]
ThickAsThieves other than the advertisers [16:46]
thestringpuller ;;google "you are not a unique snowflake" [16:46]
gribble Fight Club (novel) - Wikiquote: ; Fight Club (1999) - Quotes - IMDb: ; you are not a beautiful or unique snowflake - YouTube: [16:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, they do have the lemon sale, which is actual news. [16:47]
mircea_popescu no idea why they link this nonsense, but w/e. [16:47]
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mircea_popescu not like they're zerohedge and people have expectations or anything. [16:47]
thestringpuller zerohedge good? wall street journal bad? [16:48]
mircea_popescu notrly. [16:48]
ThickAsThieves hey remember when everyone wanted to decentralize everything? [16:48]
mircea_popescu financial trade rags bad ; zh latecomer ; claims "we're not gonna be that retarded" ; benefit of doubt ; dissapoint. [16:48]
ThickAsThieves now colored coins devs are back in their closet waiting to be brought out for the next exchange shutdown [16:49]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves the only reason that stopped is because the current crop of fanbois are too intellectually lazy to even take that much of a reading plunge [16:49]
mircea_popescu they don't even know that's a thing. [16:49]
mircea_popescu basically it's summed up by george costanza's "a widget for televising opera or whatever" [16:49]
ThickAsThieves https://medium.com/p/7f95a386692f [16:50]
pankkake well some seem to be in the testing phase, i.e. the moment they realize it sucks [16:50]
ThickAsThieves wtf is up with change outputs anyway [16:51]
pankkake what do you mean? [16:51]
mircea_popescu sounds like a decent obama slogan [16:51]
mircea_popescu "The Outputs of Change" [16:51]
ThickAsThieves well it's silly that a wallet exposes more info than needed for the tx [16:52]
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dexX7 ThickAsThieves: there seems to be progress re colored coins: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg3900841#msg3900841 [16:52]
ThickAsThieves will not click [16:52]
ThickAsThieves but thx [16:52]
dexX7 haha k [16:52]
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ThickAsThieves gotta stay ignant! [16:53]
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dexX7 well it's silly that a wallet exposes more info than needed for the tx << ? [16:53]
dexX7 that's how bitcoin works [16:53]
ThickAsThieves it spews info? [16:53]
dexX7 you can't take "half of an output, so you don't have any change" [16:54]
jcpham will not click eh [16:54]
jcpham y u no clikc dramatalk link tat [16:54]
ThickAsThieves you can explain it all you like [16:54]
ThickAsThieves but that doesnt mean it cant be designed better [16:54]
jcpham actvemining is still a thing? [16:55]
pankkake you could tweak the whole input selection, and do things like create multiple outputs [16:55]
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pankkake but the whole input/output thing is there for a reason, I don't think it can be easily changed [16:55]
ThickAsThieves couldnt someone make a decentralized bitcoin laundering scheme? [16:55]
pankkake well activemining is a thing in a sense that unicorns are still a thing, you can write stories about them [16:56]
dexX7 well, if you want to use multiple inputs and outputs, you can do it [16:56]
pankkake there is CoinJoin and some other thing I always forget the name of [16:57]
pankkake CoinSwap [16:58]
ThickAsThieves http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/12/11/fidelity-now-allows-clients-to-put-bitcoins-in-iras/ [17:01]
ozbot Fidelity now allows clients to put bitcoins in IRAs - The Tell - MarketWatch [17:01]
thestringpuller oh wow [17:01]
jcpham ;;baratio --market bitstamp [17:02]
gribble Total bids: 16525252 USD. Total asks: 16205 BTC. Ratio: 1019.73429 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0533 seconds [17:02]
jcpham ;;baratio [17:02]
gribble Total bids: 34368303 USD. Total asks: 29979 BTC. Ratio: 1146.38318 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0950 seconds [17:02]
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Duffer1 still have to be an accredited investor for that though i believe [17:04]
thestringpuller Whatever happened to that [17:04]
dexX7 speaking of bitcoin and outputs.. https://blockchain.info/tx/f0d9df5e1b0312f9b5a61cd3469083c3f2c8945de4dc648f4218ddbd0a2cdfdc?show_adv=true =D (take a look at the output scripts) [17:04]
thestringpuller thing TradeHill was making [17:04]
ThickAsThieves bitcoin magazine's content profile baffles me http://bitcoinmagazine.com/8812/creativity-as-problem-solving/ [17:05]
ThickAsThieves http://blog.coinbase.com/post/69775463031/coinbase-raises-25-million-from-andreessen-horowitz [17:06]
ozbot Coinbase Raises $25 Million From Andreessen Horowitz - The Coinbase Blog [17:06]
ThickAsThieves "Separately, we’re also very pleased to share that Gavin Andresen has joined Coinbase as an advisor. " [17:06]
ThickAsThieves "We are averaging 10,000 new customer sign-ups a day, and are now working with over 16,000 merchants including OkCupid, Khan Academy, and Reddit, who use Coinbase to accept bitcoin. " [17:06]
pankkake dexX7: I'm surprised it got into a block [17:07]
pankkake oh, blame Luke-Jr! [17:07]
dexX7 hahaha [17:07]
dexX7 yep [17:07]
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ThickAsThieves http://edition.cnn.com/2013/12/10/business/will-bitcoin-replace-paypal/ [17:08]
ozbot Can Bitcoin replace PayPal? - CNN.com [17:08]
ThickAsThieves "Traders don't want volatility in the currency that they are taking in." [17:09]
pankkake the answser is WRONG QUESTION [17:09]
ThickAsThieves yeah cuz people buy bitcoins hoping they dont go up [17:09]
ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1sfir9/snoop_dogg_tweets_coinbase_and_bitpay/ [17:13]
ozbot Snoop Dogg tweets Coinbase and Bitpay : Bitcoin [17:13]
ThickAsThieves "With my mind on my money and my money on my bitcoins." [17:13]
ThickAsThieves "Brain wallets are not a good way to secure your money." [17:13]
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pankkake for a guy who smokes weed probably [17:13]
thestringpuller lol [17:14]
thestringpuller loose all your crypto wealth cause you smoked so much you forgot your brain wallet [17:14]
thestringpuller lose* [17:14]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 80 @ 0.05 = 4 BTC [17:15]
thestringpuller !ticker h am1 [17:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK:AM1] 1D: 0.28377771 / 0.29229715 / 0.30493107 (182 shares, 53.19808195 BTC), 7D: 0.28377771 / 0.32705881 / 0.37300000 (1684 shares, 550.76704379 BTC), 30D: 0.23500000 / 0.39790206 / 0.67999999 (7765 shares, 3089.70952185 BTC) [17:18]
mircea_popescu dexX7 is that the kslaughter of the famous activemining ? [17:18]
dexX7 yes [17:18]
pankkake I don't think he has disclosed how much he pays the dev? [17:18]
Duffer1 is he deving that ngccc? [17:19]
mircea_popescu funny. any someone is going to even look at that thing now ? [17:19]
mircea_popescu "use us, we employ scammers! it's great for bitcoin!" [17:19]
mircea_popescu at least coinbase has the sense to rape ex-respectable ppl a la gavin [17:20]
zacm And So It Begins. http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/12/casascius/ Fincen shuts down Casascius Coin [17:20]
mircea_popescu zacm was here earlier and on teh grapevine for a coupla weeks yeah [17:20]
kakobrekla sell 1 cas coin for 10 btc [17:21]
kakobrekla oh i forgot ;; [17:21]
zacm wonder what all the people swooning over amazing senate hearings will have to say [17:21]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [17:21]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [17:22]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1040268619.58 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days [17:22]
ThickAsThieves ;;bcstats [17:22]
gribble Current Blocks: 274513 | Current Difficulty: 9.08350862437022E8 | Next Difficulty At Block: 276191 | Next Difficulty In: 1678 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 8 hours, 35 minutes, and 33 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 1040268619.58 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.52278 [17:22]
ThickAsThieves :( [17:22]
pankkake http://bitcoindifficulty.com/ "Next difficulty (estimate): 940,372,575 (+4%)" [17:23]
ozbot Bitcoin Difficulty: 908,350,862 [17:23]
pankkake I want to believe! [17:23]
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mircea_popescu it could easily go either way imo [17:23]
dexX7 hashfast seems to be almost ready to ship [17:23]
pankkake because they did show an empty case at a conference? [17:24]
mircea_popescu get out of here, ready to ship, so it takes a week if they ship today. too late. [17:24]
Kleeck .d [17:25]
ozbot 908350862.43702 | Next Diff in 1678 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.5096% in 9d 23h 0m 5s [17:25]
Kleeck Too late for what? Do their machines not ROI? [17:25]
Kleeck (I haven't checked) [17:25]
pankkake too late for the bet [17:25]
Kleeck AH. [17:25]
Kleeck Link? Is it for them to ship before the end of the year? [17:26]
pankkake no the difficulty bet. biggest one, top of homepage :) [17:26]
mircea_popescu Kleeck for the bet, [17:26]
Kleeck I don't really frequent bitbet [17:26]
mircea_popescu we were talking of this 300 btc 1bn diff bet [17:26]
Kleeck oh right [17:26]
Kleeck seen some chatter about it [17:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 14811 @ 0.00008 = 1.1849 BTC [-] {6} [17:28]
Kleeck So, we're not thinking it'll pass 1B before EOY? [17:28]
dexX7 http://bitbet.us/bet/519/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-1b-before-2014/ [17:28]
ozbot BitBet - BTC network difficulty to top 1B before 2014 [17:28]
mircea_popescu it may, it may not. [17:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00286631 = 0.2866 BTC [-] {5} [17:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 355 @ 0.002861 = 1.0157 BTC [-] {4} [17:32]
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Kleeck A nail biter, for sure. [17:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 18318 @ 0.00009788 = 1.793 BTC [+] {8} [17:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 7 @ 0.10361425 = 0.7253 BTC [+] {7} [17:39]
thestringpuller ;;estimate [17:42]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 1040199420.32 based on data since last change | 894132728.373 based on data for last three days [17:42]
thestringpuller the last change estimate keeps going up, but past three days is very slim [17:42]
thestringpuller looks like hash rate is evening [17:42]
thestringpuller ;;nethash [17:42]
gribble 6400549.04237 [17:42]
ThickAsThieves thats wrong [17:43]
thestringpuller the hash rate? [17:43]
ThickAsThieves yeah [17:43]
thestringpuller is there a better source? [17:43]
ThickAsThieves http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty [17:43]
ozbot Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom [17:43]
ThickAsThieves the hashrate there shows for last 504 blocks [17:43]
mircea_popescu stimated Next Difficulty: 1,149,826,024 (+26.58%) [17:43]
mircea_popescu ?! srsly ? [17:43]
thestringpuller lol [17:44]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves who runs that site, do you know ? [17:44]
ThickAsThieves i dont [17:45]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=190722.0 [17:45]
ozbot BitcoinWisdom.com - Live Bitcoin/LiteCoin Charts [17:45]
mircea_popescu aha [17:46]
ThickAsThieves it's still a lil early to have an accurate number, but 338 blocks solved already since diffchange [17:49]
ThickAsThieves not looking good [17:49]
thestringpuller why you say that? [17:50]
thestringpuller "not looking good" [17:50]
ThickAsThieves cuz i bet on No [17:50]
thestringpuller lol [17:50]
thestringpuller biased are we? [17:50]
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ThickAsThieves it's a bet [17:51]
ThickAsThieves of course i'm biased [17:51]
mircea_popescu ^ [17:51]
thestringpuller hegemony yoyo [17:51]
thestringpuller Someone needs to IPO Wu-Tang Financia [17:51]
thestringpuller l [17:52]
mircea_popescu talk to wu-tang. [17:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves what do you get if you win that one, 200ish ? [17:55]
ThickAsThieves yeah [17:55]
mircea_popescu so like...a house. [17:55]
ThickAsThieves i have an early bet on Yes too [17:55]
thestringpuller lol [17:56]
mircea_popescu or w/e, a small slice of pizza. [17:56]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:56]
thestringpuller just ddos a mining pool [17:57]
thestringpuller for a day [17:57]
thestringpuller totally worth it [17:57]
pankkake but how much would that cost? [17:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.05 = 0.25 BTC [17:57]
mircea_popescu or hire gavin and make him commit a fork [17:58]
mircea_popescu no wait, that wouldn't do anything. [17:58]
pankkake you could bribe friedcat too [17:58]
mircea_popescu har har. [17:58]
ThickAsThieves I'll have to wait like everyone else [17:59]
ThickAsThieves and then when it starts looking like No, some schlub will throw 500btc on it [17:59]
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pankkake the Yesses don't stop coming, I don't really get why [18:00]
mircea_popescu pankkake gotta make that 7% a week somehow. [18:00]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i was thinking, if there's a sudden hickup in the hashing there's going to be such a run to cover the world has never seen [18:01]
pankkake 7% or -100% with a pretty good change of the latter. that's some shitty gambling odds! [18:01]
mircea_popescu pankkake shhh, you don't understand forum investing. [18:01]
pankkake I do, I made a comment to encourage Yes votes! :p [18:02]
mircea_popescu yes on this bet is actually a better "investment" than everything they do over btctalk/reddit/etc. [18:02]
ThickAsThieves reminds me of a point i made to the board [18:02]
ThickAsThieves one benefit of being an AM franchise, [18:02]
ThickAsThieves is not having to buy the hardware [18:02]
ThickAsThieves however [18:02]
ThickAsThieves you must submit AM shares as collateral [18:02]
ThickAsThieves if they are plummeting in value [18:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.11289999 BTC [+] [18:03]
ThickAsThieves then... [18:03]
mircea_popescu myeah. [18:03]
jcpham double litecoin price rocket inbound [18:04]
jcpham much facedesk [18:04]
ThickAsThieves huh? [18:04]
pankkake ltc on gox? [18:04]
pankkake ltc on china? [18:04]
jcpham 2 weeks! [18:04]
pankkake ltc on moon? [18:04]
mircea_popescu ltc on the moon! [18:04]
mircea_popescu aw shit [18:04]
pankkake :D [18:05]
mircea_popescu is because i write gramatically correct uncapitalised irc lines [18:05]
mircea_popescu unlike frenchie here. [18:05]
ThickAsThieves are you trying to turn this into btce trollbox [18:05]
ThickAsThieves or do you have news [18:05]
pankkake it was intentionnal [18:05]
ThickAsThieves fly chikun ! [18:05]
jcpham https://twitter.com/chijs/status/410855263391219712 [18:05]
ozbot Twitter / chijs: BTC China comment implies they'll ... [18:05]
jcpham baseless rumor [18:06]
jcpham accusations [18:06]
pankkake oh… I've seen that one already [18:06]
mircea_popescu jcpham so may i suggest reddit ? [18:06]
jcpham yay [18:06]
mircea_popescu that's where newfags dump the stale filler. [18:06]
pankkake > implying is what gox does too [18:06]
ThickAsThieves i thought LTC just mimics BTC now? [18:06]
jurov http://bitbet.us/bet/636/cardano-delivered-before-christmas/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc got no love :( [18:06]
ozbot BitBet - Cardano delivered before Christmas [18:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8881 @ 0.00089524 = 7.9506 BTC [+] {2} [18:07]
ThickAsThieves whats up with the Google Glass bet? [18:07]
jurov noone wants teh cardanos [18:07]
pankkake pretty good for a delivery bet with no preorder [18:07]
mircea_popescu jurov you been pumping it enough ? [18:07]
ThickAsThieves do you need more proof? [18:07]
jcpham mircea_popescu did you get any new rota signs ups or did you successfully frighten everyone away [18:07]
mircea_popescu jcpham according to people i know i'm fucking scary. [18:07]
jurov mircea_popescu: NSA should stir some hype, not just me [18:07]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves which one was this ? [18:08]
ThickAsThieves hey wait wht hasnt NSA put 50btc on delivering? [18:08]
ThickAsThieves scams [18:08]
jcpham bleh [18:08]
ThickAsThieves http://bitbet.us/bet/272/google-glasses-will-be-delivered-before-the-end/ [18:08]
ozbot BitBet - Google Glasses will be delivered before the end of 2013 [18:08]
ThickAsThieves I got my Glass 1 day after I ordered it [18:08]
mircea_popescu a. [18:08]
mircea_popescu well it hasn't actually delivered to customers has it. [18:08]
jcpham google glass is a myth [18:09]
ThickAsThieves I am a customer [18:09]
mircea_popescu you got one ? [18:09]
ThickAsThieves yep [18:09]
mircea_popescu pics etc ? [18:09]
ThickAsThieves if you require, sure [18:09]
jcpham can i bet now! [18:09]
mircea_popescu well it's not been able to be verified so far. [18:09]
jcpham that's an old bet [18:09]
jcpham wtf i've seen them [18:09]
mircea_popescu jcpham seen != delivered tio customers. [18:10]
pankkake many people blogged about theirs [18:10]
mircea_popescu devs had freebies to play around for a while [18:10]
mircea_popescu pankkake link ? [18:10]
jcpham prior to disassociating from the socialnets i knew multiple verified parties [18:10]
jcpham 2 for sale in -otc now [18:10]
pankkake http://blog.erratasec.com/2013/06/googles-re-education-camp.html [18:10]
ozbot Errata Security: I survived Google's re-education camp [18:10]
jurov https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=308675.0 no one there gives a fuck, nor on reddit... or do you advertise elsewhere? [18:10]
ozbot [Update] Spec announced for the Cardano, S.NSA's first product [18:10]
mircea_popescu "Google wasn't just going to ship the devices to us bloggers and figure things out for ourselves." [18:11]
mircea_popescu not a customer dude. review copies aren't it. [18:11]
jcpham no that's what they did [18:11]
jcpham they shipped a half finished procut [18:11]
jcpham *product [18:11]
jcpham updates through play store obv [18:11]
pankkake oh, you mean like retail [18:12]
jcpham remember android 1 was a full OS with a lot of apps [18:12]
jcpham android 4 is bare and everything through play [18:12]
mircea_popescu jurov we talking the bet or the product ? [18:12]
jurov about the product [18:13]
mircea_popescu we don't advertise a product that isn't yet orderable, no. [18:13]
jcpham thev'ye changed their "final product" in recent years [18:13]
mircea_popescu this would be part of being fucking sane in the head. [18:13]
ThickAsThieves making pics hold on [18:14]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves did you actually buy the thing ? [18:15]
jurov hm, should have considered it before placing he bet [18:15]
ThickAsThieves I ordered mine and they came i 1 day, was also able to order accessories and choose color [18:15]
ThickAsThieves yes [18:15]
mircea_popescu a splendid then. make it good. [18:15]
jcpham it's legit afaik [18:16]
jcpham they delivered the product and opened it up to more than just devs [18:16]
jcpham like he said, colors and accessories [18:16]
asciilifeform 'what, stereo vision? i wasn't really using that for anything!' [18:17]
jcpham not a *whole lot* of functionality but they can always update the functionality through play store [18:17]
jcpham play store has your whole device [18:17]
ThickAsThieves http://imgur.com/20s2neX [18:17]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [18:17]
ThickAsThieves got one more showing more of the packaging [18:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 27110 @ 0.0001107 = 3.0011 BTC [+] {15} [18:18]
ThickAsThieves the shades are removable [18:19]
ThickAsThieves but i still must wear contacts to use em [18:19]
ThickAsThieves which I have barely done yet [18:19]
ThickAsThieves http://imgur.com/eEEbd6I [18:20]
ozbot imgur: the simple image sharer [18:20]
pankkake I find it weird that they ignored people having glasses already. I mean, that's a lot of nerds [18:20]
jcpham can you watch porn on it or not [18:21]
ThickAsThieves i'll let you know [18:21]
jcpham lololol [18:21]
ThickAsThieves first observation is that having the video on in any way destroys battery life [18:22]
asciilifeform jcpham: you can watch film on the $100 chinese hmd that's been around for years. the point of google's was ostensibly a display with svga res that you could actually read text on [18:22]
kanzure google glass sdk is pretty lame [18:22]
asciilifeform that isn't made by Boeing and doesn't cost $100k [18:22]
jcpham oh text [18:22]
ThickAsThieves i need a bitcoin ticker app [18:22]
ThickAsThieves :) [18:22]
kanzure straight into your eyeball? [18:22]
ThickAsThieves as all seen things [18:22]
kanzure intense [18:23]
asciilifeform still waiting to see how google's hmd stacks up against my 'p4' [18:23]
asciilifeform (http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html) [18:23]
ThickAsThieves the first time you put them on, you realize how embarassing they really are [18:24]
deadweasel i realized that the first time I saw one. [18:25]
mircea_popescu well... most people don't have the brainpower that'd allow them to walk and chew at the same time [18:25]
mircea_popescu clearly handling an eyepatch is not for the masses. [18:25]
asciilifeform what's SCOUTER [18:26]
mircea_popescu the original over 9000 device ? [18:27]
pankkake incidentally, S.MPOE is approaching that level [18:27]
mircea_popescu !t m s.mpoe [18:27]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00087288 / 0.00088257 / 0.00089634 (300146 shares, 264.90 BTC), 7D: 0.00078101 / 0.00085397 / 0.00089634 (3403278 shares, 2,906.33 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.00082916 / 0.00089634 (8091783 shares, 6,709.42 BTC) [18:27]
mircea_popescu 90 thousand, son. [18:27]
mircea_popescu over 9 times better. [18:27]
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nubbins` hi [18:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [+] [18:43]
asciilifeform damn, never even heard of the '9000' thing before today. clearly i should spend more time reading memes and less maths... [18:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00089739 = 0.2692 BTC [+] [18:46]
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mircea_popescu or playing very old arcade games [18:46]
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jcpham or watching dbz [18:48]
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nubbins` or watching three episodes of MST3k at once [18:49]
nubbins` not sure the human brain can handle that sort of abuse tho [18:50]
* TomServo waves. [18:50]
nubbins` OH HEY! [18:50]
* nubbins` grabs popcorn [18:50]
nubbins` heh, you actually gave me a bit of a start then. [18:50]
deadweasel lol [18:52]
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nubbins` http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/12/casascius/ [18:58]
ozbot U.S. Government Nastygram Shuts Down One-Man Bitcoin Mint | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [18:58]
peterL is jurov around? [18:58]
jurov yes? [18:59]
peterL just wondering if you planned on lowering the coinBR fees again since the price of bitcoin went up 5x since you set the current fees? [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 33 @ 0.05 = 1.65 BTC [18:59]
jurov peterL: No [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2074 @ 0.001 = 2.074 BTC {5} [19:00]
nubbins` my plan is to skulk around until i figure out a way to cajole or barter my way into a free account on coinbr or mpex [19:00]
nubbins` realistically neither will happen, likely because the coinbr fee is so low and the mpex fee is so high :D [19:01]
jurov nubbins`: actually its no biggie [19:01]
peterL oh ok. I must say I really like CoinBR, good job making that run. [19:01]
jurov just find anyone who has nwmworld's passthroughs from bf [19:01]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2100 @ 0.001 = 2.1 BTC {4} [19:01]
jurov convince them to import them to your account [19:02]
jurov and you have free acct until January 1 + 1 free withdrawal [19:02]
nubbins` oh really! [19:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 32104 @ 0.001 = 32.104 BTC {4} [19:02]
nubbins` no rush either way, i can't redeem my s.mg stock warrant until mid-january anyway, and will likely sit on it long past that date [19:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 115 @ 0.001 = 0.115 BTC {2} [19:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3580 @ 0.001 = 3.58 BTC [19:07]
nubbins` suing the government is an interesting thing [19:07]
nubbins` i mean [19:07]
nubbins` it doesn't affect the government, as an entity, at all [19:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC {2} [19:08]
nubbins` given a population P, and a subset C who file a class-action lawsuit against the government [19:08]
nubbins` (whom we'll call G) [19:09]
nubbins` it just funnels money from (P-C) directly to C, because of some activity or lack thereof on the part of G [19:09]
nubbins` doesn't really give G any incentive to not fuck up, does it? [19:10]
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kanzure ThickAsThieves: yeah but nobody is able to get a P4 these days [19:11]
kanzure ThickAsThieves: where'd you find one? [19:11]
pigeons i have a a few pentium 4's left if you would like one [19:12]
the20year Sure you can find em [19:12]
kanzure pigeons: not the same [19:12]
kanzure http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/p4_frame.png [19:12]
nubbins` [1:37pm] jcpham: if only i could pay people to blog in dogecoin [19:12]
nubbins` [1:37pm] stqism: much doge, many posts [19:12]
nubbins` [1:37pm] jcpham: such scrypt [19:12]
nubbins` it's... it's taking over [19:12]
asciilifeform kanzure: ebay. some time in '04. [19:13]
ThickAsThieves i have no P4 [19:13]
pigeons what's that diseas you get, is it cauliflower ear from wearing nasty foam headbands like that [19:13]
nubbins` cauliflower ear is from getting hit in the ears too much [19:13]
nubbins` like boxers [19:13]
nubbins` not a disease, just ruptured cartilage [19:13]
ThickAsThieves zitbrow, I think it's called [19:13]
nubbins` lel [19:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9793 @ 0.001 = 9.793 BTC {2} [19:14]
asciilifeform that foam began to rot into dust long ago. [19:14]
nubbins` "check out my cool new red headband! ZITBROW!" [19:14]
ThickAsThieves no pain no gain! [19:14]
nubbins` you can actually see bits of foam all over the table in that picture. [19:14]
asciilifeform the widget itself still works just as it ought to. [19:15]
asciilifeform (even though there are moving parts inside!) [19:15]
asciilifeform it buzzes slightly. vibrating mirror. [19:15]
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mircea_popescu what is the coinbr fee these days ? [19:15]
jurov 0.019/mo [19:16]
the20year http://www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Pentium-4-2-4-GHz-BX80532PE2400DSL6SH-Processor-/171192584737 [19:16]
ozbot Intel Pentium 4 2 4 GHz Bx80532pe2400dsl6sh Processor 0735858153720 | eBay [19:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 9980 @ 0.001 = 9.98 BTC [19:16]
asciilifeform thought about selling it, but who would want it. [19:16]
mircea_popescu doesn't really give G any incentive to not fuck up, does it? << exactly right. [19:16]
asciilifeform the20year: i think he was asking about the ancient monocle display, rather than pentium 4 [19:17]
nubbins` "you mean we can do what we want and the plebs will bear the brunt of our poor choices? great! let's vote ourselves a pay increase!" [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2131 @ 0.001 = 2.131 BTC {4} [19:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 17869 @ 0.001 = 17.869 BTC [19:19]
pigeons p4 aka zitbrower [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 8 @ 0.2940125 = 2.3521 BTC [-] {4} [19:21]
asciilifeform pigeons: you will get headache from the monocle long before the foam sticks to your head. [19:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [19:22]
Kleeck Guys. I highly recommend this book:http://www.amazon.co.uk/Everything-buying-selling-investing-Bitcoin/dp/1493699474/ref=sr_1_5/278-9187282-6189917?ie=UTF8&qid=1386865168&sr=8-5&keywords=bitcoin+miner [19:22]
pigeons that's sad. i liked the virtual boy i got use out of it before the headaches. and i kind of liked the headaches [19:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [-] [19:23]
asciilifeform pigeons: funnily, the only game console i've ever bought was virtual boy. to tear apart for the optics, when trying to build a binocular version of the p4. [19:23]
pigeons oh neat [19:23]
Kleeck pigeons! I had a VirtualBoy as well! MarioTennis was awesome. [19:23]
kanzure has someone written a usable os for google glass yet? e.g. something to bring up a shell [19:23]
asciilifeform not so neat. turned a perfectly good machine into an envelope full of parts that will never work again... [19:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4003 @ 0.001 = 4.003 BTC {4} [19:24]
pigeons hackcanada who were later accused of being Tom Williams/mybitcoin had virtualboy hacking project that was fun read [19:24]
asciilifeform i thought 'glass' was just a peripheral for the 'android phone' ? [19:25]
asciilifeform you could probably write arbitrary pixels to it easily enough [19:25]
kanzure well it runs linux so people can just flash whatever they want on it i assume [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 95898 @ 0.001 = 95.898 BTC {2} [19:26]
kanzure android-linux i mean [19:26]
nubbins` i recall seeing a virtual boy set up on a counter in a department store the day i bought super mario 3 [19:26]
nubbins` we were on family vacation, driving through the usa [19:26]
nubbins` and i had to spend two goddamn weeks reading the instruction manual for that game before i could play it [19:26]
asciilifeform glass: 640×360. pitiful. [19:26]
nubbins` pure torture [19:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [19:27]
nubbins` wait, no, the years are all wrong for that [19:27]
nubbins` maybe it was a game boy. [19:27]
nubbins` anyway, i do recall trying out a virtual boy in a store [19:28]
nubbins` and it made my brain feel weird [19:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 17905 @ 0.001 = 17.905 BTC [19:28]
asciilifeform i actually wore a 3d visor for work, some years ago, for a rather long time. you get used to it. [19:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if i recall correctly the actual retina resolution one inchfrom the eye is something like 6k x 5k or so ? [19:29]
asciilifeform 2d cursor gets annoying though [19:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1023 @ 0.001 = 1.023 BTC {2} [19:29]
asciilifeform about right. [19:29]
pigeons here it is, althought i never understood the mybitcoin accusation other than knowing shane smith of niamianogold http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/zines/k_1ine/K-1ine_34.txt [19:29]
asciilifeform although you have to account for most of the 'pixels' being around the center. [19:29]
mircea_popescu i wonder which happens first : glass at 6k dpi or neural interfacing [19:30]
asciilifeform 6k 'glass' already happened, in the '90s. it just isn't priced for humans. [19:30]
nubbins` ^ [19:30]
mircea_popescu neural intefacing also already happened in that sense [19:30]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, cellphones happened in the 60s [19:30]
asciilifeform afaik state of the art neural is 'brain joystick' for wheelchair [19:31]
mircea_popescu nah [19:31]
asciilifeform and that 100 pixel 'eye' for the blind [19:31]
nubbins` meh, just attach an iphone to a headband. [19:31]
the20year They had 2 meter radio to phone interfaces in the 50s [19:31]
nubbins` super high res, use the back camera to provide a passthru so you can walk while using it [19:31]
nubbins` front camera tracks eye movement [19:32]
asciilifeform the real 'magic' in modern cell phone isn't the miniature handset, but the phased array antennae on the stations. [19:32]
asciilifeform descended from cold war era 'pyramid' radars in the arctic. [19:32]
mircea_popescu this is a point. [19:32]
the20year I don't understand how that's magic [19:32]
nubbins` go read up on antenna theory, then [19:33]
asciilifeform the20year: without phased array, you can't have anything like the subscriber density of today [19:33]
the20year I had to to get my radio license [19:33]
the20year I still don't see how it's magic [19:33]
asciilifeform essentially you 'move' and 'rotate' an antenna without actually moving anything [19:33]
mircea_popescu the20year it's one thing to make one connection work [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2136 @ 0.00009026 = 0.1928 BTC [-] {4} [19:33]
nubbins` sorry, i'm just being saucy [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.28397253 = 17.0384 BTC [-] {14} [19:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 180 @ 0.001 = 0.18 BTC [19:33]
mircea_popescu it's another to support a city during mother's day [19:33]
asciilifeform trunked rf 'telephone' existed in the '40s even. [19:33]
the20year And my local network still goes down every year during large festivals [19:33]
asciilifeform and slightly later, even in the ussr. but for top bosses only. [19:34]
asciilifeform a few dozen handsets per city. [19:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1304 @ 0.001 = 1.304 BTC {2} [19:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform recall the lolphonograph they had on a ship during ww2 ? [19:34]
mircea_popescu so churchill and eisenhower could chat ? [19:34]
asciilifeform SIGSALY? department store basement, rather than ship, afaik [19:35]
asciilifeform one time pad on vinyl. [19:35]
asciilifeform vacuum valve (!) modem and CODECs! [19:35]
the20year The earliest one i've seen photos of were the USSR radio/telephone setups [19:36]
nubbins` one time pad on vinyl!! [19:36]
the20year I know though later in the 50s the US had a consumer model, well , sort of consumer [19:36]
nubbins` imagine scratching that [19:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 13 @ 0.04999979 = 0.65 BTC [+] {4} [19:36]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform "One was installed in a ship and followed General Douglas MacArthur during his South Pacific campaigns. In total during WW2, the system supported about 3,000 high-level telephone conferences." [19:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 11970 @ 0.001 = 11.97 BTC [19:36]
asciilifeform aha. [19:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG] 6 @ 0.05 = 0.3 BTC [+] [19:37]
asciilifeform http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/PAVE_PAWS_Radar_Clear_AFS_Alaska.jpg [19:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [7C] 92 @ 0.0077 = 0.7084 BTC [19:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC {2} [19:39]
asciilifeform the folks who built these were laid off, and a decade later, popular cell phones. [19:39]
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thestringpuller people are actually buying SFI?!?!?!?!? [19:39]
thestringpuller dude [19:39]
thestringpuller that's worse than going bearish on the market [19:39]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller all this btc noobs keep buying for fiat has to return to sane hands somehow. [19:40]
Gotyawallet ? [19:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i imagine quite a bit of it goes to scrapyards, with old hard disks. and to malware artists. [19:41]
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asciilifeform encrypted wallet on a winblows machine might as well be plaintext. [19:42]
asciilifeform (artist patches exe so the very next transaction is, instead of X btc to addr Y, 'everything in wallet to addr Z.') [19:43]
nubbins` the best part about leaving windows behind is being able to say "sorry, i don't know anything about that shit" when asked to troubleshoot computer problems for family members [19:43]
asciilifeform can't wait until somebody starts selling 'magic' miners that diddle the system bus to make this happen. [19:44]
asciilifeform how many people buying graphics cards for ltc mining have disassembled the firmware... [19:45]
the20year That sigsaly article is amazing [19:46]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [19:46]
nubbins` i can't wait until the first malicious fake trezors hit the streets. [19:46]
asciilifeform wat's a trezor [19:46]
nubbins` http://www.bitcointrezor.com/ [19:46]
ozbot TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe [19:46]
nubbins` hardware wallet [19:46]
nubbins` that you're supposed to plug into the POS at the store you're visiting [19:46]
asciilifeform "For the love of God, Montrezor!" [19:46]
nubbins` and the store is supposed to just plug it in [19:47]
asciilifeform http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/POE/cask.html [19:47]
ozbot The Cask of Amontillado [19:47]
asciilifeform was my first thought [19:47]
nubbins` even though it's a goddamn HID device [19:47]
nubbins` i mean, a goddamn HID [19:47]
nubbins` so essentially it's like plugging a keyboard into the cash register [19:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 369 @ 0.001 = 0.369 BTC [19:48]
asciilifeform phun phact: the barcode readers in many cash registers emulate standard HID keyboard. [19:48]
nubbins` great 'cos no drivers needed [19:49]
nubbins` ungreat 'cos it's a HID. [19:49]
nubbins` go to a store and say "hey, can i just plug this keyboard into your POS and type a bunch of commands in? i'll only be like half an hour" [19:49]
nubbins` see what the manager says [19:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol that's what i thought too, when i first heard of it. [19:49]
asciilifeform hid isn't even the end of the story. you could probably slurp a bit of key via diff. power analysis if you attach. [19:49]
mircea_popescu clearly our reading is inadequate for the needs of contemporaneous english speakers. [19:50]
asciilifeform 'didn't your mother teach you not to hook strangers to your DC supply rail?' [19:50]
nubbins` i should design a trezor-looking HID that, when connected, sends "[windows-r], www.mydomain.com/horsedick.avi, [enter]" [19:52]
nubbins` to the host computer [19:52]
nubbins` maybe followed by an [F11] for good measure [19:52]
nubbins` is there a keyboard shortcut for volume? [19:52]
mircea_popescu chocolate dipped figs! yum! [19:56]
nubbins` hm, usatoday.com has a btc logo in their header [19:56]
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mircea_popescu yeah we covered it :D [19:57]
nubbins` ah! [19:58]
nubbins` oh and hey [19:58]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2228.msg29479#msg29479 [19:58]
ozbot Added some DoS limits, removed safe mode (0.3.19) [19:58]
nubbins` satoshi's last post [19:58]
nubbins` 3 years ago today [19:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 55 @ 0.00290454 = 0.1597 BTC [-] {6} [20:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2810 @ 0.001 = 2.81 BTC [20:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 20 @ 0.28015829 = 5.6032 BTC [-] {8} [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 119 @ 0.001 = 0.119 BTC [20:03]
thestringpuller IN SATOSHI WE TRUST [20:04]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [20:05]
gribble MtGox BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 867.59095, Best ask: 875.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.40905, Last trade: 861.25001, 24 hour volume: 12139.28764678, 24 hour low: 839.5, 24 hour high: 941.0, 24 hour vwap: 886.66919 [20:05]
thestringpuller ;;market sell 1000000 [20:05]
gribble A market order to sell 1000000 bitcoins right now would net 33179748.9231 USD and would take the last price down to 0.0017 USD, resulting in an average price of 33.1797 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.1238 seconds [20:05]
thestringpuller ;;market sell 100000 [20:05]
gribble A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 32207763.4100 USD and would take the last price down to 43.5700 USD, resulting in an average price of 322.0776 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 5.2789 seconds [20:05]
nubbins` any of you guys own any casascius coins? [20:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00285862 = 0.2859 BTC [-] {5} [20:10]
the20year nope [20:11]
the20year i wonder how many fakes there are out there [20:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC [20:12]
deadweasel they're fixin' to double in value again. [20:12]
mircea_popescu probably lots [20:12]
mircea_popescu they weren't hard to fake afaik [20:12]
dexX7 i heard that there are some cheap already redeemed casascius coins on ebay [20:13]
the20year no way to tell it hasn't been redeemed before you buy, is there? [20:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [20:14]
* deadweasel lists http://www.amazon.com/Large-Gold-Foiled-Chocolate-Coins/dp/B008JHU5BK as casascius chocolate coins on ebay... [20:14]
deadweasel if it's not sweet, it's not real. [20:14]
nubbins` the20year: well there's a security hologram [20:14]
nubbins` very difficult to reapply once removed [20:14]
dexX7 haha i was just poking nubbins [20:14]
TomServo Pretty sure the hologram was proved to be crackable at Defcon this year [20:14]
nubbins` dexX7: there's actually a market for reeeemed once [20:14]
nubbins` *ones [20:14]
nubbins` they fetch around $150 [20:14]
dexX7 :p [20:15]
nubbins` TomServo: they left only minimal signs of tampering [20:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [20:15]
benkay analog bitcoins [20:15]
benkay lel [20:15]
nubbins` what can i say, i'm a sucker for pretty metal [20:15]
nubbins` and also [20:16]
dexX7 http://codinginmysleep.com/casascius-physical-bitcoins-cracked-at-defcon/ [20:16]
ozbot Casascius Physical Bitcoins Cracked at Defcon - Coding In My Sleep - A Bitcoin Blog [20:16]
nubbins` there literally are chocolate bitcoins on ebay [20:16]
dexX7 lol [20:16]
nubbins` http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-Bitcoin-Chocolate-Gold-Foil-Coins-NO-BTC-VALUE-Casascius-1-Liberty-Coin-Bonus-/281223420095?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item417a38d8bf&_uhb=1 [20:16]
ozbot 3 Bitcoin Chocolate Gold Foil Coins NO BTC Value Casascius $1 Liberty Coin Bonus | eBay [20:16]
nubbins` actually not a bad gift idea [20:17]
nubbins` heh [20:17]
the20year nice [20:17]
deadweasel holy shit I wasn't kidding [20:17]
dexX7 the video xD [20:18]
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dexX7 the line was interesting imho: "If he doesn’t verify or have a way of knowing whether the owner of the bitcoins is the same person he’s sending the coins to, that’s a problem ..." [20:20]
benkay giving bitcoins this way is just the most goddamn stupid idea [20:21]
benkay it's like trading wallets [20:21]
benkay or trying to sell an MPEx account [20:21]
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benkay posesser of the keys is posesser of the goods [20:22]
Bugpowder http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2428278,00.asp [20:22]
Bugpowder Coinbase got a $25M Series B [20:22]
benkay on the topic of greater fool theory, the fundamental principle underlying these physical coins and the entire fartup circuit [20:22]
TomServo ozbot: what gives? [20:22]
nubbins` dexX7: seems like a roundabout way of laundering. why not just send the raw btc? :P [20:23]
dexX7 because there is no direct link between the coins [20:23]
dexX7 btct for example was an awesome way to launder coins [20:23]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder yeah it was here earlier. [20:23]
Bugpowder nice [20:24]
Bugpowder anyone know the valuation? [20:24]
dexX7 same here.. insert coin A, get unrealted coin B out [20:24]
dexX7 (besides the paper and shipping docs) [20:24]
mircea_popescu benkay honestly, it was a reasonably nice way to get people introduced to btc, back in 2011. [20:24]
benkay i suppose, at the cost of perpetuating idiot opsec. [20:24]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone took it for more than that. caldwell was making a few cents here and there with it, but not worth his time [20:25]
benkay had to reprimand someone giving out printed wallets at a local btc event. [20:25]
Bugpowder I like the coins [20:25]
mircea_popescu take it as a publicity stunt, like getting a chick with a nice rack and a mean streak to stir the forum pot [20:25]
Bugpowder I have a bunch [20:25]
benkay "are you seriously displaying private keys in public?!" [20:25]
Bugpowder used to tip with them [20:25]
Bugpowder Mike did pretty well [20:25]
Bugpowder he made about 8000BTC I think [20:25]
benkay oh it's great i'm sure for mike and btc and everything except the whole idiots problem. [20:26]
Bugpowder Nice Cayanne turbo [20:26]
nubbins` lel @ mp [20:26]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder that's misrepresenting the thing. he'd have made 10 simply selling a pizza. [20:26]
mircea_popescu 8k simply reflects the fact that for most of the coin's life, the metal was worth more than the key. [20:26]
nubbins` ah, i suspect mike kept most of his profits in btc [20:26]
nubbins` minus living expenses, not sure if he held a day job [20:27]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the guy was a millionaire before btc. [20:27]
nubbins` ah yeah? [20:27]
Bugpowder But he was still making about 10% BTC profit on his sales up till he shut down. [20:27]
nubbins` well in that case he probably kept every satoshi, less minting costs [20:28]
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Bugpowder its a lot easier to sell $80M worth of BTC than 80M worth of pizza from your house. [20:28]
Bugpowder His garage does not look like the garage of a millionaire [20:28]
Bugpowder except for the car. [20:28]
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benkay a real millionaire would spend it all exhibiting the wealth, right? [20:29]
Bugpowder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=146018.msg1550362#msg1550362 [20:29]
ozbot Most Expensive Thing You Bought With Bitcoin? [20:29]
Bugpowder lol [20:29]
Bugpowder A million goes a long way in utah [20:29]
thestringpuller wait casascius [20:30]
Bugpowder can't even get you a nice condo in LA [20:30]
thestringpuller is gone? [20:30]
mircea_popescu well a real us guy, at any rate. [20:30]
thestringpuller what happened to casascius coins? [20:30]
Bugpowder yes they have been gone since Nov 27th [20:30]
deadweasel they pulled the rug out. he's in the US. [20:30]
deadweasel MINTING MONEY [20:30]
deadweasel they no likey [20:30]
Bugpowder nobody paid attention when I posted it to reddit on the 28th. People needed a wired article to make it news. [20:30]
thestringpuller that's so fucking sad [20:30]
thestringpuller i knew he went to whole sale [20:30]
deadweasel yes [20:30]
thestringpuller but cascius coins are the only "paper wallet" i really trust [20:30]
thestringpuller :( [20:30]
the20year Our average purchase price has been $45k for houses here in Ohio [20:31]
thestringpuller i guess I have a piece of history on my desk [20:31]
deadweasel hold it [20:31]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: wouldn't it be more logical to trust one you've filled personally? [20:31]
mircea_popescu nobody paid attention when I posted it to reddit on the 28th. People needed a wired article to make it news. << ridiculous, isn't it. [20:31]
Bugpowder I've got a roll of 50 in a safe deposit box. [20:31]
Bugpowder yah... [20:31]
deadweasel damn [20:32]
Bugpowder Oh well. It's better to know news before others, generally. [20:32]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder give us the depost box address too and it's all good eh. [20:32]
the20year now he needs to move to Canada to do it [20:32]
asciilifeform what's the appeal of the cas. coin? [20:32]
mircea_popescu the20year if he really wants to do it, south africa is probably a better place. [20:32]
Bugpowder you need the key and my ID yo. [20:32]
asciilifeform forging a hologram isn't exactly building a thermonuke [20:32]
deadweasel you can play with it. rub it on your nipples. [20:32]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: No because I would be that guy who made a typo. Casascius is more competent than I in that regard [20:32]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform anal insertion is the only thing that comes to mind. [20:32]
thestringpuller he had double/triple audits when printing private keys [20:33]
jcpham if you use it anally it is no longer uncirculated fwiw [20:33]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder or an executive order. [20:33]
asciilifeform sd card (or rolled up printout) would be gentler on the rectum, i imagine, than a coin. [20:33]
nubbins` is there any actual record of someone purchasing freshly-minted coins from a pool? [20:33]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you're missing the point [20:33]
jcpham i have one of those spycoins [20:33]
mircea_popescu not shoving things up there would be even gentler. [20:33]
jcpham with micrsd [20:33]
Bugpowder hehehe… only with probable cause. The gold confiscation in the 30s is just an internet myth. [20:33]
pigeons fistical dogecoin [20:33]
jcpham http://spy-coins.com/ [20:34]
ozbot Blank [20:34]
Bugpowder happened to one person in the course of a criminal investigation. [20:34]
nubbins` a real millionaire would spend it all exhibiting the wealth, right? [20:34]
Bugpowder plenty of gold in that box too [20:34]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder methinks you got the history muddied up on that one. [20:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 58183 @ 0.001 = 58.183 BTC [20:34]
nubbins` ^ maybe the most lucid display of sarcasm i've seen in weeks [20:34]
jcpham check the radiopacity [20:34]
Bugpowder nubbins`: See example : Goat posting his lambo to 4chan [20:34]
asciilifeform http://www.usmbooks.com/cyanide_capsule.html [20:34]
ozbot Nazi brass cyanide container - SS marked [20:34]
jcpham i saw goat bragging [20:34]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: look it up. [20:34]
nubbins` hahah [20:34]
pigeons they didnt have to confiscate lots of it cause people brought it in but executive order said they had to [20:35]
jcpham in true goat style [20:35]
nubbins` anyway [20:35]
nubbins` who said they had a roll of cas coins? [20:35]
Bugpowder me [20:35]
nubbins` ah, yes [20:35]
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asciilifeform it's very easy - wanna open a bank safe box? there'll be a polizei watching, removing anything shiny and yellow, 'at fair market price.' [20:35]
nubbins` what sort? [20:35]
Bugpowder basically used to keep me from trading them. [20:35]
mircea_popescu http://www.leagle.com/decision/193630883F2d225_1237 ? [20:36]
ozbot UEBERSEE FINANZ-KORPORATION, ETC. v. ROSEN | Leagle.com [20:36]
Bugpowder Got the 2013 brass [20:36]
jcpham +1 Bugpowder [20:36]
nubbins` gotcha [20:36]
nubbins` i've got some 0.5 brass [20:36]
Bugpowder thanks for link mircea_popescu [20:37]
nubbins` a few assorted silvers [20:37]
Bugpowder also have some 2011 brass with error [20:37]
Bugpowder a 2011 25 [20:37]
nubbins` yeah, i've got one 2011 error [20:37]
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Bugpowder and a 10BTC silver [20:37]
mircea_popescu http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=294&invol=240 [20:37]
ozbot FindLaw | Cases and Codes [20:37]
nubbins` almost bought a 25 when they were selling for ~26-27 earlier this year [20:37]
mircea_popescu that one went all the way to http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/240/ [20:37]
asciilifeform 'spy-coins' shop would make a spiffy honeypot [20:37]
pigeons i thought he was trolling [20:37]
asciilifeform order the coin/fake bolt/etc. and your address is on The List (TM) [20:38]
mircea_popescu and for more general subjectmatter, http://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/294/330/case.html [20:38]
jcpham "the list" [20:38]
jcpham they sell fake bolts [20:38]
pigeons or talk to someone old [20:38]
jcpham i missed that [20:38]
asciilifeform data storage is interesting from the 'what'll the polize do' standpoint [20:39]
asciilifeform are they gonna search the hundreds of 1980s EEPROMs in my junk boxes when i hang? [20:39]
jcpham didn't scroll fr enough [20:39]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform yes. [20:39]
mircea_popescu they like that, because they can apply for more salaries. [20:40]
pigeons but eeproms from the 80s will have bitrotted a bit [20:40]
mircea_popescu even more jobs are needed to iterate the alternatives. great news. [20:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 310 @ 0.001 = 0.31 BTC {2} [20:40]
asciilifeform 'hiring! one fellow willing to desolder 500 roms from Sybolics Lisp Machine.' [20:40]
mircea_popescu nope. [20:40]
nubbins` 500 fellows [20:40]
mircea_popescu 500 fellows that went to desoldering school. [20:40]
nubbins` one rom each [20:40]
mircea_popescu nubbins` ideally they don't do anything to the roms. [20:41]
nubbins` lel [20:41]
mircea_popescu making it a bigger problem whcih is more worthy of attention so more fellows can be hired. [20:41]
pigeons so cynical, eat your cheese [20:41]
asciilifeform wait till they catch someone burning goodies on CD-R and re-shrinkwrapping the sausage. [20:41]
asciilifeform suddenly no office supply warehouse is above suspicion. [20:42]
mircea_popescu excellent news comrade. [20:42]
Bugpowder mircea_popescu: My understanding of the law is based on the wikipedia page, which specifically says safety deposit boxes were not searched and seized. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_6102 [20:42]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder you should go visit some prison sometime. [20:42]
mircea_popescu find out the % of people whose residence is based on a wikipedia page. [20:42]
mircea_popescu that'll certainly be reddit-news, once you publish the SHOCKING results. [20:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as in, the judge read pediwikia to them during sentencing? [20:43]
mircea_popescu lol [20:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, was a case recently, some lawyer died and his fambly opened a box [20:43]
mircea_popescu found a few golden eagles [20:43]
mircea_popescu usg confiscated them. [20:44]
pigeons there was a good espidoe of boondocks the grandpa told the judge, "didnt obama legalize weed?" [20:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: link? [20:44]
mircea_popescu eh where was it [20:44]
benkay can't be having those precious metals floating around [20:44]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 237 @ 0.002969 = 0.7037 BTC [+] [20:44]
asciilifeform http://spy-coins.com/radiopacity.html [20:44]
benkay might engender a liquid market [20:44]
ozbot radiopacity [20:44]
asciilifeform at least they're honest. [20:44]
pigeons http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/07/rare-double-eagle-coins-should-be-forfeited-to-us-judge/ [20:45]
pigeons i picked fox cause you know, fair and balanced [20:45]
Bugpowder Your hedge fund client is using a retail checking account. Rather than use a business bank account, Madoff’s hedge fund put billions of dollars from thousands of investors into a retail account, and didn’t bother to segregate it with sub-accounts. His accounts “exhibited, on their face, a ‘glaring absence of securities activity.’” [20:46]
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mircea_popescu http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/07/rare-double-eagle-coins-should-be-forfeited-to-us-judge/ [20:46]
asciilifeform re: eagle coins: if i'm found with 'toyota' and no titles, receipts, etc. and a dealership whined about being short of exactly one such... [20:46]
benkay Bugpowder: link plox [20:47]
pigeons anyway you were allowed to keep gold jewelery and special collector coins, of which currently circulating gold coins were not [20:47]
Bugpowder http://qz.com/157108/five-signs-your-client-may-be-running-a-ponzi-scheme/ [20:47]
ozbot Five signs your client may be running a Ponzi scheme – Quartz [20:47]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform except this was 80+ yeaers old. [20:47]
pigeons if you fear this is an internet rumor go to the physical archives of a library [20:47]
mircea_popescu if i were to confiscate all property with broken title that's 80+ eyars old, i would be able to pay for the us deficit maybe even 3-4 years [20:48]
asciilifeform afaik they do this routinely with ww2-plunder art, etc [20:48]
Bugpowder "What's more, this absence of a paper trail speaks to criminal intent. If whoever took or exchanged the coins thought he was doing no wrong, we would expect to see some sort of documentation reflecting the transaction, especially considering how carefully and methodically the Mint accounted for the '33 Double Eagles." [20:48]
the20year most realestate in the US has proper deed records [20:48]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder you probably need an actual lawyer to tell you what a joke that is. [20:48]
ThickAsThieves ha i was just gonna quote that part [20:48]
pigeons the20year: um look again [20:48]
mircea_popescu the20year most realtors pretend this is the case, sure. [20:49]
Bugpowder my real estate has a nice deed record [20:49]
the20year And the title companies? [20:49]
the20year that issue million dollar policies on title clouds? [20:49]
Bugpowder Though only 50 years old [20:49]
mircea_popescu title companies understand how undisturbed possesion works. [20:49]
mircea_popescu as in, any case over a 80yo alleged "theft" is thrown out of court just like that [20:49]
mircea_popescu except of course if prosecuted by the all-corrupt usg. [20:49]
benkay all hail! [20:50]
benkay praises be! [20:50]
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pigeons well think of the children [20:50]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder admittedly much easier to do in california and for new developments. [20:50]
mircea_popescu there are houses in this town that are 500+ years old and still inhabited. [20:50]
Bugpowder I'm sure new york is a mess too [20:51]
Bugpowder or boston [20:51]
mircea_popescu absolutely. [20:51]
mircea_popescu or even sf. [20:51]
Bugpowder but why live in those shitholes? [20:51]
mircea_popescu because we don't like modern man. [20:51]
deadweasel ^ [20:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.002969 = 0.288 BTC [+] [20:51]
benkay wait how does that work you have to experience so much modern man in those urban areas [20:51]
mircea_popescu yeah but at least in the company of 1800s brownstone you can pretend all that grub is just going to go away [20:52]
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ThickAsThieves This guy understands there's a fee to move shares to Havelock, but not to move shares out https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg3936404#msg3936404 [20:53]
ThickAsThieves and he wants to know MY logic [20:53]
benkay man i'm trying to make shit-hitting-the-fan hedges but i think that even small towns that are nominally self-sufficient in this country are so tightly coupled to the rest of the country that they'll devolve into chaos too [20:54]
benkay wat dooooo [20:54]
mircea_popescu benkay go to rhodesia. [20:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00296998 = 0.1455 BTC [+] [20:54]
BingoBoingo benkay: Buy as landfill as it is being capped if you must stay in the US. Keep the fencing and signage though. [20:55]
benkay mircea_popescu: i strongly suspect i won't have time to get out of the country. [20:55]
mircea_popescu depends when you leave. [20:55]
the20year Eh , rural areas should do ok [20:56]
the20year As long as it's a growable season [20:56]
mircea_popescu the20year fun fact : other than berlin, the most rapes per german cunt happened in the countryside. [20:56]
the20year My county has enough food during the spring/summer/fall to be well more than self sufficient [20:57]
the20year During ww2 or currently? [20:57]
mircea_popescu ww2 certes. [20:57]
benkay mircea_popescu: i'm trying to suck as much fiat into btc with overpriced us programmery hours as i can [20:57]
the20year I'm sure a good deal of it was in the stutenland and danzid corridor [20:57]
benkay mircea_popescu: i don't have the luxury to let my money make more money [20:58]
mircea_popescu you can only code from inside the us ?! [20:58]
mircea_popescu what's this, porn programming ? [20:58]
benkay the biz network that i leverage for work is in the us [20:58]
mircea_popescu and you talk to them in person ? [20:59]
benkay generally. sales is kinda high-touch it turns out! [20:59]
asciilifeform the hard part, as always, isn't the plane/boat ticket, but the destination. most of south america was wide open to ww2 refugees; few went. [20:59]
mircea_popescu benkay well that sucks. [20:59]
benkay mircea_popescu: how about a robo-crossbow? [21:00]
benkay constructs a 3d model of its environment and self trains to put a bolt through any xyz triple [21:00]
asciilifeform benkay: this one? http://www.atarn.org/chinese/rept_xbow.htm [21:00]
benkay asciilifeform: but on a turret and with some ml [21:01]
asciilifeform no need for fancy and new maths, a consumer digital camera chipset would probably suffice. [21:02]
asciilifeform the ones which highlight faces. [21:02]
nubbins` ^ [21:02]
benkay and assume straight line bolt trajectory? [21:02]
asciilifeform for short range, sure [21:02]
asciilifeform 'don't click until you see the whites of their eyes.' [21:02]
mircea_popescu we should throw some coins in a jar [21:03]
mircea_popescu to finance a "predict path of bitcoin-assets conversation" computing project [21:03]
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asciilifeform use a consumer 'security camera' xyz gimball for the turret. [21:05]
asciilifeform they come with convenient logic-level inputs for steering. [21:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1399 @ 0.001 = 1.399 BTC [21:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.29999052 = 2.0999 BTC [+] {4} [21:10]
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Bugpowder Holy 30-yr fixed Jumbo! [21:11]
Bugpowder up to 4.5% [21:11]
Bugpowder locked a few weeks ago at 3.875 [21:11]
Bugpowder that is going to put a damper on the housing buble. [21:12]
asciilifeform know what'll put a real damper on 'housing bubble' ? [21:13]
asciilifeform when the mechanisms used to keep the tens of 1000s of empty foreclosed boxes empty collapse. [21:13]
Bugpowder heheh, I don't care about that market. [21:14]
asciilifeform think from a different angle: [21:14]
Bugpowder just burn down palmdale and start over [21:14]
asciilifeform at some point it will be cheaper to pay a paramilitary squad to defend you than to pay the paper 'owner.' [21:14]
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Bugpowder sorry, I think it reality terms. [21:15]
Bugpowder not bug out fantasy terms [21:15]
asciilifeform Bugpowder: reality is sometimes made of paper, sometimes of other materials [21:15]
asciilifeform in the '90s ussr, it transitioned from paper to 'other.' [21:15]
asciilifeform history, rather than fantastics. [21:16]
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Bugpowder wait WHAT? Noooooooo http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell/2013/12/12/fidelity-halts-bitcoin-investments-from-iras/ [21:16]
benkay daha [21:16]
ThickAsThieves lol [21:16]
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benkay it was either that or find themselves seriously in the hole ten years from now due to not actually buying the underlying. [21:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [+] [21:17]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=344143.msg3922145#msg3922145 [21:17]
mircea_popescu herp [21:17]
Bugpowder I was surprised by that fidelity thing that it hadn't driven the market up higher…. guess we know why. One person did it and Second Market oversold it. [21:17]
ozbot Bitcoin to Cash Hacked [21:17]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder alternatively, second market is persevering in this "we shall ignore the market and expect to matter". [21:18]
mircea_popescu but all's good, one day they eventualyl find irc etc. [21:18]
mircea_popescu or not, i guess. all the same. [21:18]
Bugpowder I hear teppy moved some of his stack [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [21:19]
mircea_popescu god that fake dt ipo [21:19]
mircea_popescu lmao./ [21:19]
asciilifeform 'This week a cluster of VPS that i have been using... ...has been compromised.' [21:20]
asciilifeform anybody notice how quickly the discussion of 'where the hell do you get entropy on a VPS' began and ended? [21:20]
Bugpowder dude has a lot of coins [21:20]
Bugpowder 100k+ [21:21]
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asciilifeform the 'mobile phone miner' thing (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358242.0) is based on an easy mistake [21:29]
asciilifeform many consumer widgets do indeed come with silicon that computes sha hash [21:29]
asciilifeform just not particularly quickly. [21:29]
asciilifeform (search 'digikey' or your favourite local equivalent for crypto accelerators, you'll find plenty) [21:29]
asciilifeform some costing just a dollar or two. but they won't make you rich. [21:31]
benkay yes but derp [21:32]
asciilifeform derp-powered machinery is mighty indeed. [21:32]
benkay bitcoin runs on derp [21:33]
asciilifeform (who wants to build an electron spin-valve machine? don't forget to market it as 'derp.') [21:33]
benkay so quantum [21:33]
benkay much sorcery [21:33]
asciilifeform spin valve exists, used in your disk read head. [21:34]
benkay much engineer [21:34]
asciilifeform but it was hyped as 'cpu of the phootoor!' in the '90s. [21:34]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC {2} [21:39]
thestringpuller benkay [21:47]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.05 = 0.2 BTC [21:47]
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asciilifeform phun phact: 'trezor' machine uses vendor's on-chip TRNG. [22:08]
asciilifeform https://github.com/trezor/rng-test [22:08]
asciilifeform who suspected! [22:08]
TomServo asciilifeform: curious of your thoughts on this: http://arxiv.org/abs/1312.1148v2 [22:09]
asciilifeform "For the love of God, Montrezor!" [22:09]
TomServo (or anyone's) [22:10]
asciilifeform i kept waiting and waiting for the modern internet crackpot community to pick up 'scalar waves!' and 'torsional waves' crap from the '90s [22:11]
asciilifeform this crap never dies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-rays [22:11]
asciilifeform and before 'n-ray', we had http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirlian_photography [22:11]
asciilifeform or about the same time [22:12]
asciilifeform then the 'copehagen' QM people finally succeed in resurrecting Vitalism and making the crock of shit mandatory for physics students! [22:12]
asciilifeform *copenhagen [22:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 434 @ 0.001 = 0.434 BTC [22:13]
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asciilifeform https://github.com/trezor/rng-test/blob/master/dev_random_1.dieharder [22:14]
asciilifeform the leper's bell rings. you can only get results like this if you whiten with PRNG. [22:15]
asciilifeform (or even straight PRNG.) [22:15]
asciilifeform try it yourself. [22:15]
mircea_popescu eheh [22:17]
BingoBoingo The greatest complaint some people have about their fellow man is that they are worthless waterbags interfering with the television signal [22:17]
thestringpuller the trezor only uses PRNG? [22:18]
asciilifeform compare with gold standard: geiger counter. http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/statistical_testing/stattest.html [22:18]
thestringpuller and they call it secure? [22:18]
thestringpuller looks like the cardano will be more secure if used as a wallet than the trezor... [22:18]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: we don't know this as an established fact [22:18]
asciilifeform but the stats suggest it. [22:18]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: using a geiger counter for rng? [22:18]
asciilifeform for anyone who doesn't know, cardano is not a wallet. [22:19]
thestringpuller cardano is for storing any private keys securely [22:19]
asciilifeform not any. cardano's. [22:19]
thestringpuller oh [22:19]
asciilifeform very specific purpose. [22:19]
asciilifeform though i suppose you could write arbitrary files to the slate. [22:19]
asciilifeform with keys, or lolcats, whatever. [22:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 5233 @ 0.001 = 5.233 BTC [22:20]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.28100001 = 0.843 BTC [-] {2} [22:20]
asciilifeform but these will be readable to the attached machine. [22:20]
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jurov http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1pesms/trezor_showing_signs_of_life/cd1mo1m [22:21]
jurov slush's take on the prng [22:21]
asciilifeform woah [22:22]
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asciilifeform 'Now the Trezor is fully deterministic device...' [22:23]
asciilifeform presumably this includes the signature nonces? [22:24]
asciilifeform ! [22:24]
mircea_popescu their spec is uniquely obscure [22:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.2770007 = 0.554 BTC [-] [22:24]
mircea_popescu so nobody really has a clue what includes what and what anything said means. [22:24]
asciilifeform why would anyone buy a cat-in-a-sack wallet machine ? [22:24]
asciilifeform at least with pc you can get pwned for free. [22:25]
mircea_popescu you may not be aware of this, but 90% of the people owning ANY bitcoin actually do not have any idea what it is they own. [22:25]
mircea_popescu it may amount to less than 1% btc in circulation, but still. [22:25]
thestringpuller uh [22:25]
thestringpuller that's like people who download firefox [22:25]
thestringpuller and don't know they can checkout the sourcecode [22:25]
mircea_popescu or chrome. [22:25]
thestringpuller yea [22:26]
thestringpuller people who own mac with OS X can go their whole lives owning the machine and not knowing there is a terminal [22:26]
asciilifeform anybody here get hold of a 'trezor' and pick it apart? [22:26]
thestringpuller i'd buy one just to see that [22:27]
thestringpuller just like the exploit with the casascius coin at defcon [22:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7914 @ 0.00089976 = 7.1207 BTC [+] {2} [22:27]
asciilifeform casascius just begs to be pwned [22:27]
asciilifeform holograms aren't magic, people [22:27]
thestringpuller yet that's what most paperwallets use [22:27]
thestringpuller looks like paper wallets are insecure by default? [22:28]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: holograms? i thought most 'paper wallets' are simply strips of paper crammed into 'arse safes' [22:28]
thestringpuller only good as a medium of storage and not exchange [22:28]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: some people will put a hologram over the private key space on paper wallets to "secure" them [22:29]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not delivered yet afauik [22:29]
asciilifeform a hologram that you buy, right. [22:29]
thestringpuller yea [22:29]
asciilifeform from a warehouse with 10,000 of them. [22:29]
thestringpuller lol [22:29]
thestringpuller soooo secure [22:29]
thestringpuller like a bank :P [22:29]
asciilifeform all quite identical. [22:29]
asciilifeform why not put some 'scotch' tape over it. [22:29]
asciilifeform same effect. [22:29]
jurov i have seen only trezor prototype board, to be delivered in 2 weeks [22:30]
thestringpuller as I said you can likley debase paperwallets if used for exchange [22:30]
thestringpuller but for personal use as a medium of storage you can def bury it in your yard [22:30]
thestringpuller and it's secure in that sense [22:30]
asciilifeform you can also bury a vacuum-sealed sheet of paper. [22:30]
thestringpuller yup [22:30]
asciilifeform no peculiar hardware needed. [22:31]
thestringpuller yup [22:31]
thestringpuller the whole "secure" paper wallet fad is dumb imo [22:31]
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asciilifeform required reading for 'seal' aficionados: [22:31]
asciilifeform http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SE-14.pdf [22:31]
thestringpuller im on a terminal, what's the abstract? [22:31]
asciilifeform actually, that's the wrong link [22:32]
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asciilifeform http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/Papers/SEv2-c14.pdf [22:32]
asciilifeform R. Anderson. 'Security Engineering', 2nd ed; ch. 14: 'security printing and seals.' [22:33]
asciilifeform (short version: seals that one buys from somewhere are of strictly ceremonial value.) [22:33]
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asciilifeform more productive line of inquiry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_unclonable_function [22:35]
asciilifeform recall the rifle shell sawed in half from ww2 partizan movies [22:35]
asciilifeform two spies meet, and match up the pieces [22:36]
asciilifeform i believe the ancient greeks used something similar, with a broken clay pot [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00281 = 0.281 BTC [-] {5} [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [22:37]
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asciilifeform someone could make good money selling a means of melting a glass rod over a (recessed) screw head and then breaking it. [22:39]
asciilifeform perhaps a miniature induction heater. [22:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [22:47]
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dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pcWlyUu8U4 [22:48]
ozbot The NSA is Coming to Town - YouTube [22:48]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5203264/sriracha-shipments-stopped-until-mid-january-by-health-department [22:55]
ozbot Sriracha shipments stopped until mid-January by health department | The Verge [22:55]
ThickAsThieves why the squeeze on sriracha dude? [22:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 217 @ 0.00209792 = 0.4552 BTC [-] {3} [22:55]
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nubbins` essential chili ingredient [22:56]
ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5204724/nyc-testing-lasers-that-detect-when-people-fall-onto-subway-tracks [22:57]
ozbot NYC testing lasers that detect when people fall onto subway tracks | The Verge [22:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.27500001 BTC [-] [22:57]
dub fricken lazors [22:58]
ThickAsThieves next version lazers will be lethal [22:58]
ThickAsThieves save everyone the trouble [22:58]
ThickAsThieves EXTERMINATE! [22:58]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: yeah, why bother with cheap and effective solution costing pennies (big red 'stop' buttons on walls, guaranteed jail for false alarms) [22:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.275002 BTC [+] [22:58]
asciilifeform hell, put then on the track bed. [22:58]
ThickAsThieves our make the tracks bouncey [22:58]
ThickAsThieves problem slved [22:59]
ThickAsThieves lol [22:59]
ThickAsThieves dont newer terminals now have a wall between tracks and waiting area? [23:00]
ThickAsThieves like in airports [23:00]
ThickAsThieves ATL [23:00]
asciilifeform afaik in some countries they have expensive retractable cages between the tracks and the waiting area [23:01]
dub proximity alarms are not new, seems like a reasonable effort [23:01]
asciilifeform why no one simply puts fire alarm-style switches on the track bed wall, is beyond me. [23:01]
dub we know that humans are unlikely to hit the button unless its someone they care about on the tracks [23:02]
dub most wont look up from their ipad [23:02]
asciilifeform no, the victim pushes. [23:02]
asciilifeform twist'n'press knob, same kind found on industrial tools [23:02]
ThickAsThieves what if he cant make it to the knob? [23:03]
ThickAsThieves or he is a child [23:03]
asciilifeform what if he broke his neck falling? tough luck [23:03]
asciilifeform 'who do you sue when your parachute doesn't open' [23:03]
ThickAsThieves pressure-sensitive floor [23:03]
dub presumably the lasers are cheaper [23:03]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: ever actually been to a subway station? there's probably a man's weight of dead vermin, garbage, etc. per square meter. [23:04]
mike_c and live vermin. [23:04]
asciilifeform naturally. [23:04]
ThickAsThieves you only put the panels in exposed areas to public, [23:04]
ThickAsThieves with like 25lb [23:05]
ThickAsThieves sensitivity [23:05]
ThickAsThieves sorry, babies and puppies [23:05]
dub because lasers will be orders of magnitude cheaper [23:05]
asciilifeform it is still interesting that most cities have no ready means of going from 'crowd sees a human in the pit' to 'trains stop' [23:05]
ThickAsThieves i still think walls are the answer [23:06]
asciilifeform 'if you see a man drowning, and there you are, with a camera, what shutter and aperture settings will you use?' [23:06]
mike_c subway death / subway passengers < car death / car passengers [23:06]
mike_c why waste money? [23:06]
ThickAsThieves well build walls when you byuild the place [23:07]
asciilifeform mike_c: esp. if you subtract the folks who were trying to get run over [23:07]
mike_c and track workers, which is most of the deaths [23:07]
dub they are probably illegals anywy [23:07]
dub need to feed the vermin something [23:08]
asciilifeform afaik, this is less - but still quite - true for traffic death [23:08]
mircea_popescu i should dig up my pics from cairo central [23:08]
ThickAsThieves autodriving cars [23:08]
mircea_popescu where they had dug the pits about 1.5 meters deep [23:08]
mircea_popescu so people couldn't get in [23:08]
mircea_popescu and people got in [23:08]
mircea_popescu with kids. with packages. [23:08]
mircea_popescu becauyse why not, imrite ? [23:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [23:09]
dub http://www.dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/200000/00000/6000/400/206401/206401.strip.gif [23:09]
dub I'm sure the artist has worked here [23:09]
asciilifeform metro in many places rolls in recessed pits on stations [23:10]
ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5204002/gmail-will-soon-display-images-in-email-by-default [23:10]
ozbot Gmail will soon display images in your email by default | The Verge [23:10]
asciilifeform what's special about pits [23:10]
ThickAsThieves http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/12/5201706/bitcoin-foundation-opens-london-office-announces-australia-and-canada-chapters [23:11]
ozbot Bitcoin Foundation opens London office, announces Australia and Canada chapters | The Verge [23:11]
asciilifeform is 'casascius' an organ of 'the foundation'? if not, why does every media turd about bitcoin feature a photo of the coins? [23:11]
mike_c wow the gmail images. that's kind of cool, and will break all email tracking beacons. [23:12]
ThickAsThieves or comply with allowed ones [23:13]
mike_c well, theirs will still work of course. google analytics for email is the only working solution. [23:13]
nubbins` subways in seoul had mirrors across the pit, on the incoming side of all the tunnels [23:15]
nubbins` idea being that the train is fastest at that point, making it a favored jump spot [23:15]
nubbins` mirrors would cause some to second-guess [23:15]
nubbins` they were starting to roll out the suicide doors city-wide when i was there tho [23:15]
asciilifeform or simply build separate stations where jumping is officially permitted. hose them down daily. [23:17]
mike_c plus the rats would congregate there, leaving the rest cleaner [23:17]
asciilifeform tv cameras on the wall. [23:17]
asciilifeform my favourite fictional scenario of 'official suicide' is in brunner's 'stand on zanzibar' [23:19]
asciilifeform where you could pay to be publicly guillotined, burned at the stake, etc. [23:19]
asciilifeform 'attention whores' lined up. [23:19]
mircea_popescu pay ?! [23:22]
mircea_popescu the executioner should pay. [23:22]
asciilifeform pay. story was about a world crammed brimful of humans, mostly unworthy of even a public execution. [23:22]
mircea_popescu you get free service. [23:22]
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asciilifeform and where smart people sabotaged infrastructure from mere boredom. [23:23]
asciilifeform http://www.bitcointrezor.com/news/celebrate-day-of-bitcoin-trezor [23:24]
ozbot TREZOR The Bitcoin Safe - news [23:24]
asciilifeform 'small and durable with no battery' [23:24]
asciilifeform 'never sends private keys to the computer' [23:24]
asciilifeform except when it runs... [23:24]
asciilifeform nobody ever heard of diff. power analysis? [23:24]
asciilifeform 'fully auditable software.' -- where? [23:25]
asciilifeform For the love of God, Montrezor! [23:25]
asciilifeform anybody else making 'wallet machines' ? [23:25]
asciilifeform or just these jokers [23:26]
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asciilifeform https://github.com/trezor contains no source for the embedded micro, as far as i can see. [23:28]
jurov NSA published anything to github yet? [23:28]
asciilifeform jurov: will publish, with excruciatingly pedantic detail - when widget is sold. [23:29]
asciilifeform why would you even care to read it now [23:29]
asciilifeform how do the 'trezor' folks even get away with shipping the damn thing internationally without publishing source? [23:30]
jurov trezor isn't sold yet either [23:30]
asciilifeform afaik nobody cancelled the ancient law forbidding crypto export [23:30]
jurov ask slush [23:30]
dub probably fairly easy to ensure they dont [23:30]
asciilifeform but there's a bush-era loophole for published source [23:30]
dub anon call to whatever us customers gestapo is relevant [23:31]
dub customs* (kill me) [23:31]
asciilifeform wait, maybe trezor isn't u.s. based [23:31]
nubbins` it's not [23:31]
asciilifeform Czech. ok [23:31]
jurov asciilifeform: as i wrote several times here, it's made by slush & stick, czechoslovak dudes [23:31]
asciilifeform aha [23:32]
asciilifeform i'd be surprised if there are no weird crypto laws there [23:32]
mircea_popescu well since it uses github... it arguably is eh [23:32]
asciilifeform wassenar convention, etc [23:32]
jurov and i'll forward this log to them with delight [23:32]
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jurov i'm actually surprised you found out only now [23:33]
jurov about whole project [23:33]
asciilifeform jurov: i'm quite 'out of date' re: 'happenings in bitcoin universe' [23:33]
asciilifeform given that i don't, for the most part, live there [23:33]
dub http://i.woofmaker.com/-PhaOjbPRK7R_ovD.gif [23:34]
asciilifeform jurov: if you know these fellows in person, do ask them why no source. [23:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1924 @ 0.001 = 1.924 BTC {2} [23:35]
jurov iirc it will be released when it's done [23:35]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/jya/czech-crypto.htm [23:35]
asciilifeform a bit old [23:35]
asciilifeform when was 'trezor' 1st announced? [23:36]
jurov at least in summer if not sooner [23:37]
asciilifeform ah [23:37]
asciilifeform interesting how they toured conventions, etc. for ages with no widget. [23:37]
jurov prolly they don't have mircea to show the The Right Way [23:37]
jurov *them [23:38]
asciilifeform i grew up reading about inventors, hucksters, etc. and i always thought it was obvious that you need a prototype to really wake people up [23:38]
thestringpuller unless the prototype blows up and kills everyone [23:38]
jurov they needed funding [23:38]
thestringpuller doesn't anyone remember dr. octavius? [23:39]
asciilifeform how much funding does one need to build a few keychain-sized boards [23:39]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: what about asic prototypes? [23:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 202 @ 0.001 = 0.202 BTC [23:39]
asciilifeform these aren't mining asics [23:39]
jurov idk... as i wrote, ask slush [23:39]
asciilifeform where you need $10M just to play [23:39]
asciilifeform per tape-out. [23:39]
thestringpuller i guess you can always just do FPGA [23:39]
asciilifeform 'trezor' appears to use a cheapo consumer ARM [23:40]
asciilifeform $5 or so in quantity, afaik [23:40]
jurov they sold preorders for 1 and 3 BTC each, end price is supposed to be $100 [23:40]
jurov it has a display, too [23:40]
asciilifeform https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/579620_213467352125160_890578977_n.png [23:40]
assbot 123! [23:40]
asciilifeform fairly straightforward 2-layer pcb [23:40]
jurov so what. do undercut them if you want [23:41]
asciilifeform looks like there are exactly three active components in there [23:41]
asciilifeform not counting display. [23:41]
asciilifeform the arm and two vregs. [23:41]
asciilifeform let the chinese undercut. [23:42]
asciilifeform imho the concept is brain-damaged. [23:42]
asciilifeform at least, as pictured. [23:42]
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asciilifeform betcha the thing can be re-flashed via usb, too. [23:44]
asciilifeform (i see no pads for ROMs, jumpers, or other protection mechanisms in that photo.) [23:45]
jurov it's supposed to check the image signature before flashing [23:45]
asciilifeform 'it' being? [23:45]
dub http://www.nknews.org/kcna-watch/kcna-article/?0038638e [23:45]
jurov dunno really, just what i remembered from their talk [23:46]
dub worth a read, hilariouis [23:46]
dub However, despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery in betrayal of such profound trust and warmest paternal love shown by the party and the leader for him. [23:46]
mircea_popescu they needed funding << right way eh. [23:46]
nubbins` However, despicable human scum Jang, who was worse than a dog, perpetrated thrice-cursed acts of treachery [23:47]
mircea_popescu this sounds like chinese/korean reeducation stuff [23:47]
mircea_popescu o nm. it is. [23:47]
asciilifeform these folks need to hire a translator. [23:48]
nubbins` recall some time ago i was explaining that being the son of a dog was a grave insult, then they just start throwing numbers in front of it? [23:48]
nubbins` "ten times son of a dog!" etc [23:48]
asciilifeform read the edicts of Ivan IV, etc [23:48]
nubbins` thrice-cursed acts! [23:48]
mircea_popescu son of over nine thousand pig impregnated bitches [23:48]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 110 @ 0.001 = 0.11 BTC [23:48]
asciilifeform distinctly medieval style [23:48]
nubbins` srsly, people will read "thrice-cursed" and gasp 3x as hard [23:48]
asciilifeform or a document like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reply_of_the_Zaporozhian_Cossacks [23:49]
mircea_popescu nubbins` the byzantines invented inflation, for all practical purposes [23:49]
mircea_popescu they didn't stop with the currency. [23:49]
asciilifeform as if imperial rome hadn't debased coins [23:49]
mircea_popescu there's a slight difference between rape and murder. [23:49]
dub mpoe-pr could have penned this, its great [23:50]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [23:51]
nubbins` "we've no fear of your army, by land and by sea we will battle with thee, fuck your mother." [23:52]
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mircea_popescu that part is so very romanian. [23:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 750 @ 0.001 = 0.75 BTC [23:52]
asciilifeform i've always thought of 'FYM' as a slavic thing. [23:53]
mircea_popescu romanian influence in slavic culture :D [23:54]
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asciilifeform https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/529570_217373745067854_1151791403_n.jpg and particularly, https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/399919_248300785308483_2018068197_n.jpg [23:55]
asciilifeform just the arm. [23:55]
mircea_popescu https://www.google.com/search?q=site:trilema.com+%22pe+ma-ta%22&complete=0 [23:55]
mircea_popescu check out how many times the "your mother" accusatuive is preceded by a fut form, and how many times by anything else. [23:56]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 38 @ 0.00281001 = 0.1068 BTC [-] [23:57]
asciilifeform so let's 'sherlock holmes,' and http://www.st.com/web/catalog/mmc/FM141/SC1169/SS1575/LN1433/PF245091 [23:58]
mike_c it would be awesome if you published a trezor hack with the cardano release. [23:59]
midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio [23:59]
mircea_popescu mike_c is such a shark :D [23:59]
asciilifeform difficult, lacking a trezor [23:59]
mike_c excuses [23:59]
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