Forum logs for 11 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
The20YearIRCloud HeySteve: i'm pretty sure they can, since they've talked alot about contracting via blockchain [00:00]
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thestringpuller The20YearIRCloud what are you referring to? [00:08]
The20YearIRCloud I'll have to dig it up, but there's a few altcoin or places that say they can sign contracts via blockchain [00:08]
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thestringpuller wouldn't gpg contracts be easier? [00:12]
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HeySteve I'd think so [00:13]
ben_vulpes HeySteve: i mean i bought mine, and gpg sign it. [00:13]
HeySteve yeah someone linked me to a good generic one, will use that with gpg sigs [00:14]
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ben_vulpes strip the text out, hard wrap it at 80 chars, gpg sign it [00:21]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: what would it take << beautiful question. let's say we find that chetty has, e.g., more efficient mitochondriae, that eat and shit less for given level of activity. and therefore require less cleanup. then we say 'can't fix this with aftermarket patch.' << I dunno mitochondral replacement might be an interesting experiment [00:24]
BingoBoingo If mitochondria are some separate symiote we just depend on, there may be a way do a replacement [00:26]
The20YearIRCloud http://www.theguardian.com/business/2014/sep/10/bank-of-japan-interest-rates-zero [00:29]
assbot Bank of Japan drives rates below zero | Business | The Guardian [00:29]
The20YearIRCloud I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates [00:30]
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ben_vulpes http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/ [00:35]
assbot 403 Forbidden [00:35]
The20YearIRCloud interesting [00:41]
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ben_vulpes 403 forbidden? [00:50]
ben_vulpes http://bubblear.com/about-those-credit-default-swaps/ [00:50]
assbot 403 Forbidden [00:50]
ben_vulpes weird. [00:50]
kakobrekla hehe: http://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777296.new#new [00:50]
assbot Cryptostocks PROBLEMS [00:50]
kakobrekla too bad it isnt in the bash [00:52]
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mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/X2vZyFK.jpg [00:54]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla: It is unfortunately not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware << lol [00:55]
mircea_popescu artifexd: My "copper rounds" just showed up. They *are* nice. << which are these ? [00:55]
mircea_popescu jurov: obv the joke itself wasn't broadcast << yeah i think you can say that. what was it, 70s ? [00:56]
artifexd The coins that look all circuit board-y [00:56]
mircea_popescu you mean the ones i linked like two days ago ?! [00:57]
mircea_popescu jurov: tl;dr: there is surprising health stuff we hide from ourselves because of our own culture << interesting, the chlamyda story. [00:57]
mircea_popescu *idya [00:58]
mircea_popescu The20YearIRCloud: I'd hope that driving rates below zero and seeing little inflation would be more of a sign to keneysian economists that believe that inflation is solely driven by interest rates << there's no possible significance to keynesians anymore. they're a cult by now, like the collodial silver derps. [00:59]
mircea_popescu "o no but it relaly helps, we've just not found out what yet" [01:00]
mircea_popescu "everything" [01:00]
mircea_popescu omg lok at that, kakobrekla is still on account #4. what happened there, their mods got thrown in jail or something ? [01:01]
kakobrekla i just got this one today. [01:01]
rithm trickle-down, yo [01:02]
mircea_popescu !s "with Cryptostocks than MPEx" [01:02]
assbot 1 results for '"with Cryptostocks than MPEx"' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=%22with+Cryptostocks+than+MPEx%22 [01:02]
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mircea_popescu lol it's from a jimmothy thread ? [01:04]
mircea_popescu "Why not addressing one of the several elephants in the room? Why is 90% of their revenue from recruiting new investonomers? Why is the exchange owner taking such a huge role in "educating" his "investors"? Why is every single company co-owned by the exchange owner?" [01:04]
mircea_popescu duh. because bitcoin people are stupid, in both cases. why else ? [01:04]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://38.media.tumblr.com/3a46c43ff7dca6d11fc87d884f8589a1/tumblr_mvia2xrFj51qbfo7so1_1280.jpg [01:06]
jurov !mpif [01:10]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] [01:10]
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mircea_popescu %p [01:28]
atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net [01:28]
atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 9.93 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.73 TH/s [01:28]
mircea_popescu 1.7th ?! that's a lot innit ? [01:28]
mircea_popescu %d [01:28]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93 [01:28]
BingoBoingo %t [01:30]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 [01:30]
artifexd mircea_popescu: yes those [01:30]
mircea_popescu a nice. [01:30]
BingoBoingo %v [01:30]
atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 843k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 [01:30]
kakobrekla ;;calc 14/232 [01:31]
gribble 0.0603448275862 [01:31]
BingoBoingo %d [01:32]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 283088.83 in 1271 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.93 [01:32]
mircea_popescu i don't get it. shouldn't 2 th breeze through ? [01:32]
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penguirker New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/braintree-paypal-company-accept-bitcoin/ [01:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 48 @ 0.01046331 = 0.5022 BTC [-] [01:37]
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mircea_popescu %p [01:54]
atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net [01:54]
atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.69 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.12 TH/s [01:54]
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mircea_popescu i guess those are just random numbers basically [01:54]
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BingoBoingo ATC is an interesting lab for what happens when nethash and difficulty disagree in strong ways [02:13]
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mircea_popescu this is pretty lulzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ [02:15]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No : Buttcoin [02:15]
mircea_popescu "There's another fun gotcha: the winnings are paid out in bitcoin. So if bitcoin falls, and you win the bet, the value of the magic beans you won also goes down." [02:15]
mircea_popescu "Plus if you lose, you lose magic beans that were worthless anyway." [02:16]
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BingoBoingo Lolzy http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeb3o8 [02:18]
assbot RghoNomic comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No [02:18]
BingoBoingo "Best part of that bet: The "scams" link lists the highest volume USD (Bitfinex) exchange as a scam AND it lists Coinbase as a scam." [02:18]
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mircea_popescu how is bitfinex an exchange at all ? [02:31]
mircea_popescu it's just this bucket shop where you can pretend like you're trading bitcoin [02:31]
BingoBoingo Well, ask r/buttcoin [02:33]
mircea_popescu something good did come out of this tho. hey kakobrekla check this out : http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ [02:34]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`812 (100`000 to 1) [02:34]
mircea_popescu as per title, 193.66. as per page display, 193.65 [02:34]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker--market all [02:35]
gribble Error: "ticker--market" is not a valid command. [02:35]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [02:35]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 478.54, vol: 11585.02199166 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 473.5, vol: 3851.5951 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 476.5, vol: 8487.06626041 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 477.220814, vol: 14662.47770000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 475.00001, vol: 0.02 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 488.4138, vol: 65.71840573 | Volume-weighted last average: 477.10619284 [02:35]
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BingoBoingo !up bhcoins [02:39]
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kakobrekla myea one is using floor and the other is round [02:39]
BingoBoingo Hello bhcoins [02:39]
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kakobrekla flor i mean [02:42]
kakobrekla whats with the double o, i dont know [02:42]
kakobrekla o no it floor [02:43]
kakobrekla lol [02:43]
kakobrekla flur. [02:43]
punkman someone tried to scam me as `punkman, just how high are these idiots [02:43]
kakobrekla lol [02:43]
BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/10/1922252/researcher-fired-at-nsf-after-government-questions-her-role-as-1980s-activist [02:43]
assbot Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot [02:43]
* kakobrekla got confused cause of failed syntax highlighting :( [02:45]
BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=5680999&cid=47876377 << lol comment [02:45]
assbot Researcher Fired At NSF After Government Questions Her Role As 1980s Activist - Slashdot [02:45]
kakobrekla http://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ [02:45]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No | closing in 5 months 1 week| weight: 46`810 (100`000 to 1) [02:45]
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gernika `punkman tried to scam me as well. [02:46]
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kakobrekla actually im not fixing that. [02:49]
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mthreat has mircea_popescu been to vancouver recently? http://www.buzzfeed.com/alanwhite/so-thats-what-they-meant-by-the-beast-will-rise-up [02:58]
assbot A Statue Of Satan With A Huge Erection Has Appeared In Vancouver For Some Reason [02:58]
BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/09/a-big-chunk-of-the-sierra-nevada-caught-fracturing-on-video/ << California begins breaking off into the ocean [03:00]
assbot A big chunk of the Sierra Nevada caught fracturing on video | Ars Technica [03:00]
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BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/Lee_Ars/status/509728184242151424 << Looks like Lee is choosing Vox over BTC... [03:06]
assbot W/o getting too mushy, this is the best job Ive ever had & my coworkers are the best bunch of folks Ive ever had the privilege to work with [03:06]
BingoBoingo Wait, confused tech writers [03:07]
BingoBoingo Tim's the one with Vox [03:07]
kakobrekla how is bitfinex an exchange at all ? < ask josh? [03:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.1783311 = 1.605 BTC [+] {3} [03:26]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18481066 = 0.9241 BTC [+] {3} [03:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 34 @ 0.18970204 = 6.4499 BTC [+] {6} [03:28]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19001666 = 1.1401 BTC [+] {3} [03:29]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: that video needs to be run through the google dewigglifier [03:30]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does [03:31]
BingoBoingo Not all bedrock is created equal [03:31]
BingoBoingo alf: people who do tall surgery http://www.gomerblog.com/2014/09/bones/ [03:33]
assbot Bones: An Orthopedic Surgeon's Perspective - Medical Satire - GomerBlog [03:33]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla myeah [03:36]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo a well. [03:37]
BingoBoingo http://vetsbehavingbadly.blogspot.com/2014/09/rabies-testing-quarantine.html [03:37]
assbot Veterinarians Behaving Badly: Rabies Testing & Quarantine [03:37]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That was a false alarm on the reporter, confused him with a nearly indistinguishable reporter for Conde Nast [03:39]
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mircea_popescu "She even managed to gracefully handle the incessant "point of order" type questioning from the one guy in the back, who always has to ask a stream of arcane academic questions that are irrelevant to anyone living in the real world." [03:39]
mircea_popescu these fucking derps and their "real world" [03:39]
BingoBoingo Well, I dunno that Bitcoin has made it too far into medicine yet aside from that Dr. Goss guy with the MyBitcoin fiasco [03:40]
mircea_popescu dude rly ? this chick is easily the most annoying shrill pest at any party. [03:41]
mircea_popescu she's made all that out of someone dropping the wrong shit i nthe bag ? [03:41]
BingoBoingo Yeah, amazing how whining about shit is a pest past time. [03:43]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [03:43]
BingoBoingo Vetrinarian is almost like the parody orthopod [03:44]
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mircea_popescu lol [03:52]
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BingoBoingo I prolly should have went to doctor school and been an orthopod [03:59]
asciilifeform re: bat and banana peel: [04:01]
asciilifeform obligatory: [04:01]
asciilifeform http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm [04:01]
assbot Error 403 [04:01]
asciilifeform yes, it's -that- robert wood. [04:01]
asciilifeform (woods' metal; destroyer of 'n-rays'; etc.) [04:01]
asciilifeform 'The Parrot and the Carrot one may easily confound / They're very much alike in looks and similar in sound, / We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, / For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.' [04:02]
asciilifeform ( http://www.gutenberg.org/files/33346/33346-h/33346-h.htm#h2H_4_0010 ) [04:02]
assbot Error 403 [04:02]
mircea_popescu lol [04:05]
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asciilifeform copper rounds << i thought almost all modern bullets have copper jackets. [04:11]
BingoBoingo http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV [04:12]
mircea_popescu rounds as in coins [04:12]
BingoBoingo ATC mined > 200,000 [04:12]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession. [04:12]
mircea_popescu my schedule is utterly irregular if it helps anything. [04:12]
kakobrekla i dont even have one. [04:13]
asciilifeform 'HardwareWallet' << lol! they never get tired, do they. [04:13]
BingoBoingo What is a schedule and does it self lubricate? [04:13]
asciilifeform not possible to release HW-1 with an open firmware due to NDA << anybody got an ion beam machine? 'gentlemen, start your engines.' [04:14]
* kakobrekla doesnt [04:14]
asciilifeform irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve. [04:14]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform> irregular schedule because you don't feel like sleeping in a given week is rather different from because phone rings and you have to get in a wheeled coffin because otherwise starve. << I prefer to think of my car as an ablative Iron Man suit that protects me from exertion and damage at high speeds [04:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how is this different ? [04:16]
asciilifeform same as difference between ordinary sex and working as 'crack whore' [04:16]
asciilifeform or, horse in mongolian plains, far from man, and cart horse [04:17]
asciilifeform etc. [04:17]
mircea_popescu i don't see it. so in both cases you don't feel like sleeping that week [04:18]
mircea_popescu if you felt like it, you would. [04:18]
asciilifeform in case #2, just as you might feel like it, the bells might well ring. [04:19]
mircea_popescu right ? [04:19]
asciilifeform #1 - you want, you sleep. [04:19]
mircea_popescu i dun credit this. you kill a guy, you've killed some guy. there's no "i had to kill him", is there ? there's no "i had to eat this icecream". you eat it, you get fat, you don't, you don't. [04:20]
asciilifeform the observation was specifically about sleep (rather than the particular activity during the day, such as killings) [04:21]
mircea_popescu but even that. [04:21]
asciilifeform not sleeping because don't want yet is rather different from other people keeping you awake [04:22]
mircea_popescu if you don't feel like sleeping, does it matter what bell arrangement you use to ruin your sleep for you ? [04:22]
BingoBoingo Eh, some weeks I'll sleep 3 hours. Others I'll sleep 12 a day. [04:22]
asciilifeform bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. [04:22]
* asciilifeform suspects he is not alone in this experience here [04:22]
mircea_popescu this is like "the sun is moving on the sky" "no the earth is moving really". [04:23]
BingoBoingo I live atm next to a fucking race track. have slept through races [04:23]
asciilifeform nah, more like the difference between being told 'let them eat cake' and eating cake. [04:23]
mircea_popescu you know the difference between antoinette and teh populace isn't that she's richer than them, it's that unlike them she dun care if she dies. [04:24]
kakobrekla i think mp is tying to say that everything but death is optional [04:24]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla no but i mean... you gotta APPLY to these people's waking up service. job interview and all that. [04:24]
mircea_popescu at some point in there you gotta admit you pretty much went "sleep, fu." [04:25]
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mircea_popescu now im asked to credit that whether you do this for purely aesthetic reasons or otherwise makes a difference. [04:25]
mircea_popescu well... what difference does it make ? you're still awake. [04:25]
kakobrekla your universal law of sleep undisturbness is unknown to most of the world. [04:26]
mircea_popescu hey, i bring light intra tenebrae :D [04:27]
BingoBoingo ;;tickler [04:29]
gribble Error: "tickler" is not a valid command. [04:29]
BingoBoingo ^ nanotube [04:30]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker dude [04:30]
gribble (ticker [--bid|--ask|--last|--high|--low|--avg|--vol] [--currency XXX] [--market |all]) -- Return pretty-printed ticker. Default market is Bitstamp. If one of the result options is given, returns only that numeric result (useful for nesting in calculations). If '--currency XXX' option is given, returns ticker for that three-letter currency code. It is up to you to make sure (1 more message) [04:30]
mircea_popescu stop pinging the poor guy spuriously. he like teaches and shit. [04:30]
BingoBoingo Why can't we tickle yet? [04:30]
BingoBoingo Ah [04:30]
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mircea_popescu jesus fuck [04:33]
mircea_popescu $depth s.mpoe [04:33]
empyex mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Bids: 3700 @ 0.00076773 10633 @ 0.00076594 10800 @ 0.00076507 10275 @ 0.00076418 [04:34]
empyex mircea_popescu: [S.MPOE] Asks: 22250 @ 0.00076782 14306 @ 0.00076969 36377 @ 0.00076980 4395 @ 0.00076988 [04:34]
mircea_popescu 9 satoshi apart ? what is this, some sort of joke ? [04:34]
BingoBoingo https://twitter.com/sarzitron/status/509876208251969536 [04:34]
assbot When adopting African kids with AIDS becomes mandatory, urinate in public. As a sex offender you're not allowed near children. /hashtag/lifehacks?src=hash [04:34]
mircea_popescu yeah, because that law won't change o.o [04:34]
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TheNewDeal ok kind of pissed here. submitted a good wager with 1.6 btc zeroconf, doesn't get accepted. somebody makes a shitty bet about 4chan and posts .09 btc and it gets accepted? [04:39]
mircea_popescu can it be with specifics ? [04:39]
BingoBoingo I though it was clear that 2BTC is pretty much the new zeroconf magic number [04:40]
TheNewDeal badgers bet [04:40]
TheNewDeal 1.66 is virtually 2, and if I would have known .3 btc would have made any sort of difference I would have obviously added it [04:41]
BingoBoingo Blame sports it seems it the issue [04:41]
TheNewDeal sports wasn't the issue. No bets being placed on soccer, while creating 50 bets was a issue [04:42]
BingoBoingo http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/7/7/2/313772_v1.jpg [04:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] [PAID] 166.02027623 BTC to 500`000`000 shares, 33 satoshi per share [04:44]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal i have no idea why i have to drag it out of you. you';re the upset party, you're supposed to be naturally verbose. [04:44]
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TheNewDeal badgers ncaaf [04:44]
TheNewDeal i was betting on them winning their next 7 consecutive games [04:44]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Were you betting on No? [04:45]
TheNewDeal I bet on yes! [04:45]
TheNewDeal and it could have been open for as much as 6 weeks for betting [04:45]
mircea_popescu 07-09-2014 Rejected Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more) [04:45]
mircea_popescu Rejection reason: Consider submitting with substantial paid wager. [04:45]
mircea_popescu that ? you put 1.6 on yes ? [04:46]
TheNewDeal 1.666 to be technical [04:46]
mircea_popescu what do you figure the odds to be on this ? [04:46]
BingoBoingo Wisconsin doesn't exactly have a challenging schedule [04:46]
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mircea_popescu 2 or more losses means they need what, 2 out of 9 wins ? [04:46]
mircea_popescu has there even been a game with 8 losses out of 9 ? [04:47]
TheNewDeal they need to win all of the games up until 9, or they will have 2 losses [04:47]
mircea_popescu s/game/team [04:47]
mircea_popescu (or more) [04:47]
BingoBoingo http://espn.go.com/college-football/team/_/id/275/wisconsin-badgers [04:47]
assbot Wisconsin Football - Badgers News, Scores, Videos - College Football - ESPN [04:47]
TheNewDeal #9 was an away game against purdue [04:47]
BingoBoingo #18 Wisconsin should play the rest of their season undefeated [04:48]
TheNewDeal that's ridiculous [04:48]
BingoBoingo WTF Bullshit schedule is that [04:48]
TheNewDeal ill bet you on that [04:48]
TheNewDeal nebraska and iowa are no gimme [04:48]
BingoBoingo I would, but that would be Un-PC given Bo Pellini's face Chlymidia [04:49]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal so are you clear on wha happened there ? [04:49]
TheNewDeal I had to bet more, is what I understand [04:49]
mircea_popescu dude. [04:49]
TheNewDeal no? [04:50]
BingoBoingo But of the stretch to the Purdue game, Wisconsin should still be able to Lose to Northwestern and YEs still wins. [04:50]
mircea_popescu Badgers (NCAAF) to finish 9 games with 2 losses (or more) <<< ie, if they have 5 losses, it's a yes. [04:50]
BingoBoingo Illinois isn't beating Wisconsin [04:50]
mircea_popescu if they have 9 losses, it's a yes. [04:50]
TheNewDeal if that have 2 losses, it's a yes [04:50]
TheNewDeal and i wrote that it closes [04:50]
BingoBoingo Maryland *might* beat Wisconsin if alf can shock their team just right [04:51]
TheNewDeal I realize it was worded shitlity, but I needed to draw some light on the fact that they already lost one game [04:51]
mircea_popescu well so a) word it better ; b) obscure sports bets 2 btc as per whenever i announced this. [04:51]
* asciilifeform confesses he never once saw maryland play a game, despite living in 100 metres of where the (local half) of the games played out for 2 years, and within 5km for past 11 yrs. [04:52]
mircea_popescu what's this anyway, baseball ? [04:52]
asciilifeform i assumed football. [04:52]
asciilifeform (american football) [04:52]
mircea_popescu maybe you're not in the demo. [04:53]
asciilifeform possibly. [04:53]
* asciilifeform is embarrassingly ignorant of matters of modern sport [04:54]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: What happened to the B1G, You don't play any of [Michigan. Michigan State, Ohio SucksCocks University} [04:54]
TheNewDeal they split it up [04:55]
TheNewDeal they play a tournament at the end of the year now [04:55]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: why would chlamydia cripple a footballist ? [04:55]
BingoBoingo What, like JewGolf? [04:55]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: He's the coach, needs to be able to see. [04:56]
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BingoBoingo !up chalbersma [05:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3700 @ 0.00076773 = 2.8406 BTC [+] [05:04]
RagnarDanneskjol chalbersma is the pool dev we discussed [05:04]
mircea_popescu wellcome chalbersma [05:05]
chalbersma Hello MP [05:05]
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mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol now to get me up to speed, where did we discuss this ? [05:05]
RagnarDanneskjol a few weeks ago in chan [05:05]
mircea_popescu can ye link ? [05:05]
RagnarDanneskjol will try [05:06]
mircea_popescu !s is your friend [05:06]
assbot 38 results for 'is your friend' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=is+your+friend [05:06]
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RagnarDanneskjol http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2014#802685 [05:09]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2014 11:38:13; mircea_popescu: I know more than a few highly competent pool hosts if this one proves unreliable << so hook something up [05:09]
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mircea_popescu aha. well, that proved reliable so far, but anyway, let's see if we can do something for your friend here. [05:11]
mircea_popescu chalbersma what do you have in mind ? [05:11]
RagnarDanneskjol regarding p2pool setup / hosting that is [05:11]
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mircea_popescu X-Rob refresh me, what's the problem with p2pool in bitcoin again ? too slow -> orphans or what was it ? [05:13]
RagnarDanneskjol i didn't think there was an atc p2pool avail with monitoring, etc that anyone could use [05:13]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: nothing's really wrong with p2pool in bitcoin, as it has a decent block time [05:13]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol well x-rob was going to make one, but then he got high. [05:13]
BingoBoingo Now the COinminer ATC p2pool was configured poorly or something? [05:14]
X-Rob p2pool with coins that have ultra-short block times cause issues, as the p2pool share time is 1/10th of the coin block time [05:14]
X-Rob It kept falling over, I think was the major issue. [05:14]
mircea_popescu why that ? [05:14]
mircea_popescu !up chalbersma [05:14]
-assbot- You voiced chalbersma for another 30 minutes. [05:15]
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mircea_popescu can he even talk lol [05:15]
X-Rob BingoBoingo had already voiced him 8) [05:15]
BingoBoingo Well a problem with the Coinminer p2pool was they never fucking responded to inquiries [05:15]
mircea_popescu so then why exactly are there no p2p pools in bitcoin ? [05:15]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00076594 = 7.9275 BTC [-] [05:15]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: p2pool in bitcoin was 5% of the network, last time I looked. [05:16]
BingoBoingo There's a Bitcoin p2pool [05:16]
X-Rob that's not 'no'. [05:16]
mircea_popescu kay, i stand corrected [05:16]
mircea_popescu why's it so anemic ? [05:16]
chalbersma I was more wondering what exactly you were looking for. [05:16]
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X-Rob Ah. That's a different question. BEcause people can't math. [05:16]
mircea_popescu chalbersma well, atc is this direct btc clone. it currenlty has not much of a usable pool. [05:16]
BingoBoingo %p [05:17]
atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net [05:17]
atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.61 TH/s [05:17]
BingoBoingo Oh Pity the Pool died again... [05:17]
BingoBoingo %p [05:17]
atcbot No data returned from CoinMiner.net [05:17]
atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 0.00 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.52 TH/s [05:17]
mircea_popescu X-Rob speaking of ppl can't math : "Basically, by specifying the price to such a huge place, it gives an advantage because it takes a smaller price change to win." [05:17]
BingoBoingo And iSpace is the opposite of stable [05:17]
chalbersma I've set it up with bitcoin and from what I understand atc is almost identical it "should work" almost out of the box. [05:17]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: what's that gibberish? [05:17]
mircea_popescu fresh offa reddit. people apparently believe that 1.4589799845796 is specified narrowerly than 2. [05:18]
X-Rob I'm assuming it was comprehensible in context? [05:18]
X-Rob Oh [05:18]
X-Rob No [05:18]
X-Rob No it wasn't. [05:18]
mircea_popescu oh yes. [05:18]
mircea_popescu http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2fzu74/bitbet_bitcoin_to_surpass_berkshire_as_an/ckeykpc [05:18]
assbot Mark_Karpeles_Jr comments on BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.08 B (85%) on Yes, 193.66 B (15%) on No [05:18]
mircea_popescu chalbersma do you run a bitcoin pool atm ? [05:19]
chalbersma Yes I run one for RSM an internal P2pool node for bitcoin with a few alts merge mined. [05:19]
RagnarDanneskjol RSM being [05:19]
mircea_popescu red star mining ? [05:20]
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* asciilifeform saw 'red star', thought 'what a soviet mining firm might've been named', went to check 'http://bitcoin.su.' lo and behold - there's one. [05:25]
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mircea_popescu sorry bout that. [05:25]
asciilifeform frozen in time, links to 'mtgox' [05:25]
chalbersma :) Ya I didn't name the company. [05:25]
mircea_popescu chalbersma so what's your relation to the guy running it, w/e his name is ? [05:25]
asciilifeform (and glbse!) [05:25]
chalbersma We're friends. Are you asking me to tell you his name? [05:26]
RagnarDanneskjol he's a nice southern gentleman who wanted to work in crypto and just happened to live in close proximity to them [05:26]
RagnarDanneskjol he didnt know in advance of employment, correct me if i'm wrong chris [05:27]
mircea_popescu chalbersma well no, but we aren't friends is all :) [05:27]
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RagnarDanneskjol big surprise [05:28]
mircea_popescu anyway, so you setup a private p2poolk for rsm. anything non private / i can verify ? [05:28]
chalbersma Ya he has an opinion about you but then again he's a bit hotheaded and has opinions about a lot of people. But he gave me my first break in bitcoin so... [05:28]
mircea_popescu chalbersma contrary to what BingoBoingo may have you believe, there's no secret initiation rite, especiually nothing involving blood. [05:28]
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mircea_popescu or sorbothane. [05:29]
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chalbersma Ya but I needed someone to "show me the ropes" so to speak. I'm sure I could have done it myself but this gave me a structured way to start. [05:29]
* asciilifeform sorbothaned for nothing! [05:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: It totally involves blood, but yes it isn't secret... Totally public [05:29]
mircea_popescu !up KRS-1 [05:29]
-assbot- You voiced KRS-1 for 30 minutes. [05:29]
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mod6 [05:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7329 @ 0.00076418 = 5.6007 BTC [-] [05:30]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: What are your favorite Unixisms? [05:30]
mike_c RagnarDanneskjol: did you mention awhile ago that you were involved with a new ATC block explorer? or did I make that up in a dream? [05:30]
chalbersma ATM the RSM p2pool has a private IP in the DC but we're working on getting it a public one. When the request comes back you'd be able to log into the public stats page and check it out. [05:30]
mircea_popescu chalbersma what sort of load does it carry ? [05:31]
RagnarDanneskjol mike_c -I'm working on it - a wallet too, should be done soon [05:31]
RagnarDanneskjol like maybe this week [05:31]
KRS-1 Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ [05:31]
mike_c ah, excellent [05:31]
assbot The Continued Pussification of the American Male [05:31]
chalbersma ATM 5 1TH/s miners from bitmine.ch [05:31]
BingoBoingo KRS-1: Yours? [05:31]
KRS-1 no not at all [05:31]
nanotube BingoBoingo: tickler eh hehe. mircea_popescu thanks for the concern :D [05:31]
mircea_popescu chalbersma and what do you run it on ? vps ? amazon ? [05:31]
KRS-1 I don't publish anything. [05:32]
mircea_popescu nanotube :p [05:32]
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BingoBoingo KRS-1: Why not, you've often had insightful things. [05:32]
mircea_popescu kinda really shy. KRS. [05:32]
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KRS-1 I've often thought about it tbh. [05:33]
mircea_popescu "Gentlemen, being a man is great. You get to use your muscles to pick up heavy things, you get to use your dick to fuck things, and you get to use your brain to think and create things. It’s no wonder feminist’s hate men – they desperately want what we have but they can never have it. But how the heck have they convinced MEN that being a man is bad or evil?" << ah come on, women can't lift things ? wtf. [05:33]
BingoBoingo I mean German women are the backbone of Europe [05:33]
KRS-1 I've got to admit the author has an edge and I find a lot of his writing pretty good. [05:34]
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mircea_popescu KRS-1 well so the guy has broadly speaking a point. otherwise he's much too blund and sorely uneducated/uninformed to make much of it. [05:35]
mircea_popescu not my cup. [05:35]
BingoBoingo Whatever happened to BTC knife guy [05:35]
chalbersma 1 colo'ed of these: http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5018/SYS-5018A-TN4.cfm [05:35]
assbot Supermicro | Products | SuperServers | 1U | 5018A-TN4 [05:35]
mircea_popescu for a 1th/s pool ? [05:36]
chalbersma Originally designed it to do scrypt p2pool with many alts but the scrypt hardware we pre-ordered was delayed. [05:36]
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KRS-1 Cool thanks for checking it out [05:37]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: Where do you Colo? [05:37]
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chalbersma Netsolus : http://www.netsolus.com/ [05:37]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: I've been looking at datacenters in the region for my blog [05:37]
assbot netsolus | IT Services Kansas City [05:37]
BingoBoingo Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo [05:38]
KRS-1 imo Texas is the best place to set up shop [05:38]
chalbersma :) [05:38]
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BingoBoingo Only Texans I've met have been steers and queers [05:39]
KRS-1 HAHA I've heard that before [05:39]
KRS-1 At least 5 major carriers converge somewhere in Dallas. Major peering points. [05:40]
mircea_popescu txas is good. atlanta is also good. slc is actually decent [05:40]
mircea_popescu chalbersma ok so, part of the problem here is that the entire market cap of atc is about what it'd cost to get a server colo'd. [05:41]
chalbersma Depending on the size of the atc blockchain you may be able to host it on a VPS cheaper. [05:41]
chalbersma Or potentially host it off someones home connection for a smaller fee. [05:42]
RagnarDanneskjol its miniscule <100mb i believe [05:42]
decimation re: hoa << it's a scam that's also perpetrated by the 'property management' industry [05:43]
BingoBoingo I could move 4 times in the next year so my home connection is iffy [05:43]
decimation they charge several hundred $usd to provide the 'paperwork' needed to sell a house with covenants [05:43]
mircea_popescu you have a home now ?! [05:43]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Well, I have a domain name [05:44]
mircea_popescu aok [05:44]
BingoBoingo Otherwise I have couches [05:44]
decimation also many states/counties charge a high fee to reproduce the official deeds with covenants [05:44]
mircea_popescu who cares about a few hundred ? [05:45]
BingoBoingo HOA's are a scam because most of them ban unkers [05:45]
TheNewDeal KRS-1 not totally convinced "soy is an estrogen enhancing garbage by-product." Used to supplement it while lifting weights in the past, worked just fine for muscle buidling [05:45]
BingoBoingo *bunkers [05:45]
asciilifeform unkers ? [05:45]
asciilifeform aha [05:45]
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decimation well individually nobody (it's a roundoff error in the total 'fees' required to transact us real estate) , but spread over thousands of transactions you have a 'special interest' [05:45]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Meant bunkers, I would love a studio apartment under the pasture [05:45]
BingoBoingo !up chalbersma [05:45]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if you can't build a bunker in secret from aerially-observing enemy, it isn't a real bunker. [05:46]
asciilifeform nor are the lands sufficiently large then [05:46]
decimation also many of them have language banning antennas of all kinds -- this was 'encouraged' by the cable companies [05:46]
asciilifeform carry away the earth in buckets, if you have to, in pant pockets - as pictured in 'the great escape.' [05:46]
mircea_popescu chalbersma what's this datacoin thing ? [05:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Amaxing how much of the research in this field is documented on "reality tv" [05:46]
asciilifeform decimation: antennae << unenforceable in usa. fcc (fed gov.) has final jurisdiction over antennae. [05:47]
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decimation they usually also ban things like clotheslines and pretty much anything unusual [05:47]
decimation asciilifeform: that only applies to regular humans using 'small' (less than 1 meter) sat dishes or tv antennas [05:47]
chalbersma Almost dead now. I was quite interested in it. Was permanent storage in a blockchain. Never really valuable but an interesting concept. [05:47]
BingoBoingo What if my dick curves ever so slightly to the left? It's conductive... antenna? [05:47]
asciilifeform decimation: http://www.fcc.gov/guides/over-air-reception-devices-rule [05:47]
assbot Over-the-Air Reception Devices Rule | FCC.gov [05:47]
asciilifeform right, 1m. [05:48]
decimation right, 30 foot tower with 15 foot HF dipole is banned [05:48]
decimation most us folk think antennas are 'ugly' [05:48]
mircea_popescu decimation well in exchange you get to not have a pole around [05:48]
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decimation "The rule (47 C.F.R. Section 1.4000) has been in effect since October 1996, and it prohibits restrictions that impair the installation, maintenance or use of antennas used to receive video programming. " [05:48]
BingoBoingo Antenna need not be pole. Saltwater lake works too. [05:48]
decimation you see, it's okay to receive propaganda [05:49]
decimation BingoBoingo: not if you want low-angle radiation for maximal ionospheric skip [05:49]
mircea_popescu chalbersma i see. well okay, so do you see yourself running a bunch of pools in the future ? or what ? [05:49]
BingoBoingo decimation: Then you dig your lake a better hole and insert pipes for "irrigation" [05:49]
decimation although it's true that many objects can be made to radiate if matched properly [05:50]
decimation although a salt marsh would make an ideal ground plane [05:50]
BingoBoingo decimation: or ground aspargus mound works perfectly [05:50]
decimation many hams use a 'flagpole' [05:50]
decimation or string sufficiently invisible wire in a tree [05:51]
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chalbersma Not sure to be honest. I'm a Sys Admin by day so it seemed natural to bring those skills to bitcoin as I started to get into it. [05:51]
mircea_popescu trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm [05:51]
mircea_popescu if you sysadmin for a living start your own host. [05:51]
asciilifeform hams use a 'flagpole' << think from this angle - any scenario where a gigantic antenna is a plus, it is also quite important that it be hidden from prying eyes [05:51]
chalbersma If they're is enough interest in p2pool and other mining servers I might consider it. [05:52]
decimation usg's sub-agents are continuing a fight against anything usual: http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/in-dc-a-12-year-old-piano-prodigy-is-treated-as-a-truant-instead-of-a-star-student/2014/09/08/58962746-3727-11e4-bdfb-de4104544a37_story.html [05:52]
assbot In D.C., a 13-year-old piano prodigy is treated as a truant instead of a star student - The Washington Post [05:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you can't hide an antenna. this is the definition of antennae. [05:52]
asciilifeform decimation: linked 2 days ago here. [05:52]
decimation sure you can hide antennae [05:52]
mircea_popescu decimation 12 or 13 ? [05:52]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: can hide if receiving. [05:52]
decimation heh [05:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform if receiving don't even need all that much. [05:52]
KRS-1 lol so many sysadmins [05:52]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: (unless it's 1941 and you're pissing inadvertent heterodyne noise to a waiting wagen on street) [05:53]
KRS-1 errywhere [05:53]
decimation yeah the real complication comes when you want to pump high power into something and have it not burn/explode [05:53]
RagnarDanneskjol chalbersma - the interest is there - I get requests for pool talent all the time. [05:53]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: Any experience with Solaris or Free(storage)BSD? Any intent on running a hosting operation yourself? [05:53]
mircea_popescu after bitvps went to the dogs i dunno that there's actually any dedicated btc hoster [05:54]
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KRS-1 BingoBoingo: I work for a datacenter in Canada. I often thought of setting up something but I go blank when I think of what to do. [05:54]
chalbersma @Bingo would consider it in the future. Not looking into starting a hosting gig full time at this point. I haven't worked with Solaris but at my last job I did setup an internal FreeBSD webserver for them and I've been keeping up with FBSD for a while (esp. that ZFS goodness). [05:54]
KRS-1 openstack often comes to mind lately though [05:55]
BingoBoingo Openstack is bollocks, mysterymeat [05:55]
chalbersma @Bingo I am also interested in MaidSafe it seems like if it's implemented properly it could be the decentralized Amazon EC2. [05:55]
decimation I was thinking to myself this evening: what if Washington DC were washed into the sea tomorrow? usg's contingency plans would probably be to move the government west, in the middle of the kulaks they have been harassing for decades. I don't think that 'contingency usg' would survive as an entity that we would recognize. [05:55]
mircea_popescu what sort of silly counterfactual is this. [05:56]
decimation re: solaris << had a proper live stack tracing system. This is what linux has: http://poormansprofiler.org/ [05:56]
assbot poor man's profiler [05:56]
BingoBoingo decimation: You know StL was considered as a potential replacement DC after it was sacked by Canada [05:56]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Dtrace has been a thing since I was a wee college freshman [05:57]
chalbersma I've heard rumors of Denver. Major air hub, centrally located, US mint, near AF College... [05:58]
BingoBoingo Only problem is legal weed [05:58]
chalbersma Plus the usg couldn't get any worse if it was toking up. :) [05:58]
asciilifeform profilers << 'valgrind.' [05:58]
BingoBoingo I dunno anymoar after Obummer [05:58]
RagnarDanneskjol !up RagnarsBitch [05:59]
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mircea_popescu allow me to contribute a naked woman with cane marks on buttocks and buckets to the discussion. http://38.media.tumblr.com/cf703026c6e39b636e296a6e9a8a9072/tumblr_mrhlp197Gz1sum4lro4_500.jpg [05:59]
decimation asciilifeform: try running 'valgrind' on an application that requires high-bandwidth/speed performance [05:59]
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* BingoBoingo wonders if there is a 68k port of Valgrind [05:59]
asciilifeform decimation: requires, as in, to work in any logical sense at all? [05:59]
decimation chalbersma: denver would be logical. my point is that I suspect that usg employees are paid $$$ to write fantasy [06:00]
asciilifeform profiler generally exists to eyeball what portion of the time is spent where in the program. [06:00]
decimation asciilifeform: no as in if it must keep up with real-time hardware [06:00]
asciilifeform decimation: you're stuck purchasing an ICE then. [06:00]
decimation can you buy such a beast for high-end intel boards? [06:00]
asciilifeform decimation: yes. [06:00]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: no as in if it must keep up with real-time hardware << Sounds like someone needs to buy Alpha IP from Intel [06:00]
decimation linux actually has something called 'perf' that does this - sorta - but the problem is that it doesn't do a full backtrace [06:01]
BingoBoingo http://www.vice.com/read/how-to-have-a-non-monogomous-relationship-169?utm_source=vicetwitterus [06:01]
chalbersma So this p2pool server are you looking for one to run with ATC or with Bitcoin? My understanding is that ATC is not merge minable. [06:01]
assbot How to Have a Non-Monogamous Relationship | VICE United States [06:01]
asciilifeform decimation: intel's ice port - http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1441 (empty) [06:01]
assbot Loper OS » Mechanics of FLUXBABBITT. [06:01]
decimation asciilifeform: heh yeah, but does it track frame pointers? [06:02]
BingoBoingo ATC is totally not mergeminable, and there are questions over whether pool hosting costs could be justified for: [06:02]
BingoBoingo !MPIF [06:02]
assbot BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] [06:02]
BingoBoingo %t [06:02]
atcbot [X-BT] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 2k High: 221 Low: 221 VWAP: 221 [06:02]
BingoBoingo %v [06:02]
asciilifeform decimation: lets you set hardware breakpoints, incl. on register access [06:02]
BingoBoingo %d [06:02]
atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 842k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 [06:02]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 282937.87 in 1266 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.94 [06:02]
asciilifeform decimation: like any decent hardware debugger for other archs [06:02]
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BingoBoingo Valgrind definitely has higher resolution than resedit for sure. [06:03]
BingoBoingo Resedit being the last great dev tool offered by apple [06:03]
mircea_popescu chalbersma was for atc yea [06:04]
chalbersma If the idea is to minimize costs then a VPS is probably your best bet for now. Especially considering that the blockchain is so small. Question can other sha-256 coins be merged ontop of atc? Like namecoin [06:04]
mircea_popescu not afaik [06:04]
BingoBoingo No merged mining is possible with ATC, by ThickasTheives design [06:05]
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BingoBoingo ATC is a totally independent SHA-256 chain [06:05]
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decimation BingoBoingo: actually osx has 'dtrace' [06:06]
decimation http://dtrace.org/blogs/brendan/2011/10/10/top-10-dtrace-scripts-for-mac-os-x/ [06:06]
assbot Brendan's blog » Top 10 DTrace scripts for Mac OS X [06:06]
BingoBoingo decimation: OSX is not Mac OS and is not a thing I recognize as existing. [06:06]
decimation lol [06:06]
chalbersma I think the real issue then is how much "ummph" does the VPS in question need. I've not had a chance to experiment with the minimum requirements for ATC or p2pool ontop of ATC. [06:06]
decimation asciilifeform I suspect such hardware would not be cheap [06:07]
BingoBoingo decimation: The last version of Mac anything was 7.5.1 [06:07]
mircea_popescu X-Rob wa the pool falling over because not enough cpu ? [06:07]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: I have no idea. It just stopped giving me work [06:07]
chalbersma Does anyone have an idea of how much ram atc's daemon uses? [06:07]
mircea_popescu maybe it's because the work had too many decimals. [06:07]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [06:08]
mircea_popescu chalbersma 4mb ? [06:08]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3HT3AC6.txt ) [06:08]
decimation X-Rob: why do you think folks are willing to pay more than the expected return to rent miners? [06:08]
BingoBoingo !up AndChat|679296 [06:08]
X-Rob decimation: Because they are willing. It's not a hypothesis. [06:08]
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mircea_popescu im a case study in that neh ? [06:08]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: No, actually, you're not. I think I ended up charging you about 0.1btc over estimate [06:09]
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chalbersma So not much at all. I think the p2pool node I setup for RSM was using about 400MB of RAM but I was telling that server to manually connect to a number of peers. [06:09]
asciilifeform decimation: not cheap << see http://www.xach.com/naggum/articles/3233532779857997@naggum.net.html [06:09]
assbot Re: Upper limits of CL - Naggum cll archive [06:09]
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BingoBoingo %v [06:09]
atcbot [X-BT VWAP] Bid: 205 Ask: 221 Last Price: 221 30d-Vol: 842k 30d-High: 250 30d-Low: 170 30d-VWAP: 195 [06:09]
mircea_popescu X-Rob so that's not overpaying ? because why, not enough decimals ? :D [06:09]
X-Rob Because that's well within statistical uncertanty [06:09]
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mircea_popescu but admitting for the sake of admittance. [06:10]
asciilifeform profilers << first, try 'gcov' - bare essentials, conveniently baked into gcc. [06:10]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: I think he's referring to me being at estimate * 1.25 on leaserig. [06:10]
decimation asciilifeform: I think with the new 'dwarf frames' & libunwind things have gotten better on linux [06:11]
X-Rob decimation: I feel that I'm always at the bottom edge of the market of rig hire. I don't want to appear to rip people off [06:11]
mircea_popescu 25% ?! [06:11]
X-Rob However, I invested 1BTC to lease a bunch of rigs when SSD was released [06:11]
X-Rob I ended up owning almost 10% of the coin [06:11]
mircea_popescu what is ssd even [06:12]
X-Rob which I then sold and recouped my investment with a nice margin [06:12]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: SSD is burn only [06:12]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: Sonic Screw Driver. Tor-based coin. Technically interesting. [06:12]
mircea_popescu uh. jeez. [06:12]
decimation X-Rob: good move, sounds like a decent business [06:12]
asciilifeform decimation: http://pastebin.com/scRkxz9w << example from life [06:12]
assbot [C] example of gcov - Pastebin.com [06:12]
X-Rob decimation: It's not a business. It's a hobby. [06:13]
mircea_popescu tbh i imagine that's what powers the 25%. narrow base. [06:13]
asciilifeform decimation: here - it counted. ~5000 hrs of runtime, had to count. [06:13]
Guest36874 I'm almost certain its not a CPU or decimal issue...pool crashing that is [06:13]
chalbersma I noticed someone said they didn't like bitvps but they have VPS for $20/mo that may do the trick. I assume other vps providers have similar pricing. 2 cores 2G 20GB 2TB transfer. [06:13]
chalbersma brb [06:14]
asciilifeform decimation: (on 32 cpu. cost money, at the time.) [06:14]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: yep. It's unusual for my main rig to be idle for more than 6 hours or so. [06:14]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: Bitvps has history here [06:14]
BingoBoingo ;;gettrust rg [06:14]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user rg: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 13 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=rg | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=rg | Rated since: Sun Jun 5 13:39:49 2011 [06:14]
thestringpuller keep dem hashes going [06:14]
thestringpuller BingoBoingo: Namworld helped to turn bitvps around [06:15]
decimation asciilifeform: thanks for the example [06:15]
asciilifeform decimation: not so much example for output (you can see that in 'man' page) but of where you might actually bother with profilers. [06:15]
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decimation asciilifeform: I find that they are useful for picking the 'low hanging fruit' [06:16]
decimation programmers today are so lazy and wasteful with memory [06:16]
mircea_popescu it's judicious allocation decimation. compare cost of ram chips with what programmers cost. [06:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.0007626 = 5.1476 BTC [-] {2} [06:17]
decimation I wish the hardware had garbage collection built-in like your dream, but the problem is that the von neumann world is going the other direction [06:17]
asciilifeform 'programmers' is a ware in the same sense as 'food' [06:17]
mircea_popescu this is true [06:17]
decimation mircea_popescu: I guess I'm talking more about 'thrashing' - allocating and deallocating memory without care [06:17]
thestringpuller the life and times [06:18]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate chalbersma 1 new blood. [06:18]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user chalbersma has been recorded. [06:18]
mircea_popescu !up chalbersma [06:18]
-assbot- You voiced chalbersma for 30 minutes. [06:18]
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mircea_popescu you can self-up if identified to gribble, just pm assbot !up [06:18]
decimation as memory becomes slower relative to cores*cache available the incentive is to micro-manage how data is shoveled into the cpus [06:19]
mircea_popescu or make the bus wider [06:19]
chalbersma okay [06:20]
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mircea_popescu !up upme_boolcrap [06:20]
-assbot- You voiced upme_boolcrap for 30 minutes. [06:20]
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upme_boolcrap hi [06:20]
mircea_popescu ello [06:20]
upme_boolcrap how goes it [06:20]
mircea_popescu im on my third slice of chocolate cake [06:20]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: where'd you put your key. [06:20]
upme_boolcrap nice cake [06:21]
upme_boolcrap i put my key in my other wallet [06:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform uphim. [06:21]
upme_boolcrap locked it in my safe and abandoned ship [06:21]
asciilifeform !up upme_boolcrap [06:21]
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mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [06:21]
gribble Current Blocks: 320082 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 461 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29144209996.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.2547 [06:21]
upme_boolcrap what kind of chocolate cake [06:22]
TheNewDeal network caught a cold [06:22]
decimation keys aren't safe on the ocean floor: http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/nukevault/ebb305/ [06:22]
upme_boolcrap how many women do you have cooking for you at once Mr.P? [06:22]
mircea_popescu home made [06:22]
mircea_popescu depends on the day. [06:22]
upme_boolcrap i imagine they are mostly naked? [06:22]
mircea_popescu sometimes. [06:22]
upme_boolcrap you a a god amongst men Mr.P [06:23]
upme_boolcrap are a. [06:23]
chalbersma Ya I remember reading about the RG problems. I use bitvps for my blog and it seems fairly stable. But I assume that there's probably a number of people offering VPS hosting for bitcoin these days. [06:23]
mircea_popescu no. among women. [06:23]
upme_boolcrap lol [06:23]
upme_boolcrap how can i convince my wife to let me have more wives [06:23]
mircea_popescu chalbersma not that many, really. [06:23]
mircea_popescu upme_boolcrap bring her here. [06:23]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: What is your blog? [06:23]
TheNewDeal blag* [06:24]
chalbersma http://mwguy.us/ [06:24]
upme_boolcrap hrm [06:24]
assbot Mid West Guy | A blog detailing useful stuff I've learned. [06:24]
upme_boolcrap if she let me have more wives she would have to clean less [06:24]
upme_boolcrap and cook less [06:24]
upme_boolcrap this isn't all bad for her [06:24]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: you need a replacement wife. a correctly specced one encourages installation of auxiliary wives. [06:24]
mircea_popescu depends what mess you make. [06:24]
upme_boolcrap lol [06:25]
upme_boolcrap auxiliary wives [06:25]
upme_boolcrap man [06:25]
chalbersma @upme Has to be about redundancy :) [06:25]
upme_boolcrap you guys got it made. [06:25]
chalbersma Not really a marriage until it's N+1 eh? [06:25]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: mind you, socket for aux wives is just a start - you still have to obtain and install. [06:26]
TheNewDeal chalbersma what was mwgi [06:26]
BingoBoingo chalbersma: I know you linked an atom server architecture earlier, but x86 can't be your fave... can it? [06:26]
decimation chalbersma: some good tips on your blog, thanks for writing them up [06:27]
chalbersma http://ark.intel.com/products/77987 x86-64 arch on this particular processor. [06:27]
decimation chalbersma: lol you still maintain hp-ux? [06:27]
assbot ARK | Intel® Atom Processor C2750 (4M Cache, 2.40 GHz) [06:27]
chalbersma It's the low power stuff. [06:27]
asciilifeform hp-ux << lol! [06:27]
upme_boolcrap yeah mr.S [06:28]
upme_boolcrap so when are we fired [06:28]
* asciilifeform threw out a 50kg hp-ux (pa-risc!) box when moved [06:28]
chalbersma Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year. [06:28]
upme_boolcrap i kind of feel like i have to deliver something [06:28]
decimation atom cpus suck but they are low power [06:28]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: lol, have some dignity in our honourable mass grave! [06:28]
mircea_popescu upme_boolcrap say, did oyu have a few drinks ? [06:28]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I might be throwing out a lot of boxen soon. [06:29]
upme_boolcrap lol [06:29]
upme_boolcrap maybe ascii [06:29]
upme_boolcrap maybe a few drinks [06:29]
upme_boolcrap maybe i have indulged in the medical marijuana [06:29]
asciilifeform lulz [06:29]
BingoBoingo Yep the company I work for still developes the latest stuff for HP-UX. Luckily we're moving off it for RHEL later this year. << Stahp or I'll have to cover you in my systemd fatwah [06:30]
chalbersma lols [06:30]
chalbersma They have AIX too! [06:30]
BingoBoingo http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/01/19/romanian-billionaire-saves-openbsd/ << chalbersma I scooped you at least once [06:30]
assbot Romanian Billionaire Saves OpenBSD | Bingo Blog [06:30]
BingoBoingo AIX isn't real though [06:30]
decimation chalbersma: are they selling to usg? [06:30]
BingoBoingo AIX is just fancier panties for S/70 [06:31]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: find bug >> http://pastebin.com/scRkxz9w << should occupy your newly-found mental powers [06:31]
assbot [C] example of gcov - Pastebin.com [06:31]
upme_boolcrap lol [06:31]
upme_boolcrap one look at that [06:31]
upme_boolcrap makes my face bleed [06:31]
chalbersma @decimation yes but not all the AIX/HP-UX clients are government. [06:32]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: originally phriend's, not mine. i merely de-c++ed, profiled, optimized, massaged, found where to run. [06:32]
decimation next someone is going to come around saying they maintain IRIX [06:32]
upme_boolcrap what is it supposed to do? [06:33]
* asciilifeform keeps an irix box around. [06:33]
decimation asciilifeform: they were pretty to be sure [06:33]
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decimation awhile ago I was looking for modern dumb-terminal, found here: http://geoffg.net/terminal.html [06:34]
assbot Geoff's Projects - ASCII Video Terminal [06:34]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: calculates m. petitjean's chirality index for alpha-quartz crystal lattice of growing size. just as printed on the box. [06:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Isn't Irix basically crotchless panties? [06:34]
asciilifeform (defined here, http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.skewness.html) [06:34]
assbot Free Pages Personnelles: Erreur 404 - Document non trouvé [06:34]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: more or less. don't plug the ethernet in. [06:34]
asciilifeform modern ascii terminal << ibm 5250, say. [06:35]
asciilifeform why does it have to be modern-as-in-right-now [06:35]
* asciilifeform kept an ibm 3161 in uni, right in dorm room [06:36]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Modern is A/UX and system 7, everything used nao is postmodern [06:36]
decimation asciilifeform: my main requirement is to ditch x-ray crt [06:36]
asciilifeform ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3101#mediaviewer/File:Ibm3161-setup.jpg << not mine ) [06:37]
assbot IBM 3101 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [06:37]
* BingoBoingo used NetBSD's GPG fork on my MacSE/30 this fucking spring [06:37]
asciilifeform decimation: crt is what makes it worth having. [06:37]
TheNewDeal asciilifeform is ceill the typo? [06:37]
asciilifeform nice, slow phosphours. [06:37]
BingoBoingo result: machine burned [06:37]
decimation yeah what bingo said [06:37]
asciilifeform TheNewDeal: trick. no typo. [06:37]
TheNewDeal fuck that [06:37]
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decimation I would agree that finding one that spoke rs-422 would be neat [06:38]
asciilifeform you can plug that 'ibm' or whatever into - anything [06:38]
BingoBoingo Seriously, burned rather than finish finding entropy to generate keys [06:38]
asciilifeform if it speaks asynchronous serial (and what doesn't) [06:38]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: my main requirement is to ditch x-ray crt << How else are you going to spot USD??? [06:39]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah I see it supports RS-422, that's neat. Would be useful for a home serial-terminal server [06:40]
* asciilifeform misses crt, but every time he buys 'amazing!11! well-preserved111! trinitron' - it's a faded turd. [06:40]
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assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:40]
* BingoBoingo assumes the reason for metallic ink on high denomination USD bills is X-Ray shadow at the air port [06:40]
* asciilifeform besides, would need 4+ of them [06:40]
decimation asciilifeform: makes me sad I ditched my 21 inch trinitron a few years ago, but it was a heavy bitch [06:40]
asciilifeform the phosphour fades, and there is nothing to be done about it (besides a dreaded heathen recipe - boost the gun voltage. result: 'radiation king (tm)') [06:41]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah the weight is mostly the lead in the glass to protect from x-rays [06:42]
asciilifeform yes. [06:42]
* BingoBoingo regrets not talking first realish job into the other 3 processors and GB of RAM into the Ultra 80 [06:43]
decimation junk dealers are selling all kinds of old ibm rs-422 terminals for various crazy asks [06:43]
asciilifeform rs232, mostly [06:43]
asciilifeform not that it makes more than a few pennies' difference to anyone [06:43]
decimation probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit [06:43]
BingoBoingo Only real difference between rs-422 and rs-232 is five minutes with a knife [06:44]
decimation BingoBoingo: rs-422 is a differential signal [06:44]
BingoBoingo probably the way to find those cheap is to find some library or other such institution 'upgrading' to microshit << Interesting you mention this nao, get back to me in 2 weeks [06:44]
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BingoBoingo decimation: I spz. knife instead of plug for a reason... [06:45]
* decimation remembers every pos and library using said terminals growing up, only to be replaced with buggy-ass windows for no reason [06:45]
* asciilifeform also saw this [06:45]
decimation I actually worked in a library in my youth, I quite enjoyed the spring keyboard and the 'peripheral' laser scanner [06:46]
BingoBoingo FUKU... or whatever my coinbr referal code is. I'm trying to get library work nao. [06:47]
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asciilifeform who cares what their display weighs? how often, it moves !? [06:48]
BingoBoingo Exactly. Mac OS 7 was the shit. [06:49]
decimation why not freedos? [06:49]
BingoBoingo It was the GUI that corresponded to what the machine offered. [06:49]
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asciilifeform put it this way. either you're a grown man and can pick up 50kg like feather - or - you're a cripple, and someone hangs around who can pick up -you- (to put in bedpan) - and this person will carry your display. [06:49]
BingoBoingo !up chalbersma [06:49]
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decimation asciilifeform: I carried that thing over many moves, finally decided lcds were good enough to replace it [06:50]
decimation then I became addicted to the extra square feet of space [06:50]
asciilifeform decimation: i decided, and then some time later came to believe that was wrong - and it was too late. [06:50]
decimation it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing [06:51]
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asciilifeform !up upme_boolcrap [06:51]
decimation no led/lcd has a true black [06:51]
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BingoBoingo !up upme_boolcrap [06:51]
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BingoBoingo decimation: Only Liberia still has true blacks [06:52]
decimation and New Zealand [06:53]
BingoBoingo No, those aren't black, those are Abbo [06:53]
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upme_boolcrap oh thank u sir. [06:54]
upme_boolcrap stan did i tell u yet [06:54]
upme_boolcrap that watermelon [06:54]
upme_boolcrap was amazing [06:54]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [06:54]
decimation a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer [06:56]
upme_boolcrap it really is [06:56]
upme_boolcrap i hope to grow at least 60 next year [06:56]
upme_boolcrap one for every day of august and september [06:56]
decimation lol do you have acres of space? [06:56]
upme_boolcrap for 60 watermelons? [06:56]
upme_boolcrap easy [06:56]
upme_boolcrap just 3 acres [06:56]
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upme_boolcrap potatoes are also a big crop [06:57]
upme_boolcrap of mine [06:57]
decimation you live within commuting range of ascii? You must be rich [06:57]
upme_boolcrap rofl [06:58]
upme_boolcrap why would i be rich [06:58]
decimation real estate inflation [06:58]
BingoBoingo Becaue you live in prime cotton country [06:58]
upme_boolcrap haha [06:58]
upme_boolcrap i live in the hills [06:58]
upme_boolcrap its not to far out there [06:58]
upme_boolcrap its kind of perfect [06:58]
upme_boolcrap im still in a development [06:58]
upme_boolcrap so if someone kills me [06:58]
upme_boolcrap someone else will know [06:59]
upme_boolcrap but i have alot of room between other houses [06:59]
upme_boolcrap so i can roam naked in my yard if i wish [06:59]
decimation I've heard of people commuting from west virginia to the dc area [06:59]
decimation sounds crazy to me [06:59]
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upme_boolcrap we only go in once a week [07:00]
upme_boolcrap its 1.15 hours to work [07:00]
decimation ah well that would be okay then [07:00]
upme_boolcrap too far for me to drive each day [07:00]
decimation I was talking with a guy who worked near the Googleplex the other day - apparently he knows people that commute 3 hours each way [07:01]
upme_boolcrap woow [07:01]
upme_boolcrap yeah houses in the city [07:01]
upme_boolcrap are too expensive [07:01]
decimation !s bezzle wolf [07:03]
assbot 1 results for 'bezzle wolf' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=bezzle+wolf [07:03]
chalbersma So what's next on this P2Pool server? [07:03]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-12-2013#431244 [07:03]
assbot Logged on 25-12-2013 21:26:27; asciilifeform: at some point 'the bezzle' becomes real, the cartoon wolf looks down and finally obeys gravity, goes splat off the cliff. [07:03]
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asciilifeform decimation, BingoBoingo, others - http://imgur.com/mA3Jknc << possibly only good thing about lcd, you can do this. [07:05]
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assbot imgur: the simple image sharer [07:05]
upme_boolcrap !nakedchicks [07:06]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah I wish one could buy a poster-sized display [07:07]
Duffer1 !bait [07:07]
decimation I see you keep a few 4:3 displays too [07:08]
asciilifeform decimation: they stack well. [07:08]
Duffer1 what no bait? [07:08]
BingoBoingo do /msg ozbot .d [07:08]
decimation lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) [07:08]
asciilifeform no emacs in this picture. [07:09]
decimation what's the quartile in the upper right? just terminals? [07:09]
asciilifeform 'ratpoison' [07:09]
asciilifeform !s ratpoison [07:09]
assbot 12 results for 'ratpoison' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=ratpoison [07:09]
decimation ah [07:09]
asciilifeform favourite wm [07:09]
asciilifeform (not only mine, many folks) [07:09]
decimation are all of those displays driven from one machine? [07:09]
asciilifeform aye [07:09]
asciilifeform nothing terribly peculiar [07:10]
decimation I bet it was a pain in the ass to setup xconf [07:10]
asciilifeform set up once, then live. like building house. [07:10]
decimation except if you use gentoo, occasion decisions by crazies wipe out your house, then rebuild... [07:11]
asciilifeform or forget about the crazies and run alone. [07:11]
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decimation so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? [07:13]
asciilifeform mostly. [07:13]
BingoBoingo !up devthedev [07:14]
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decimation sounds legit. I second diametric in that discussion the other day, I like arch as a former gentoo user [07:14]
* asciilifeform not particularly enamoured of gentoo, but there is no real alternative. [07:14]
chalbersma It's been a fun gents. I'm going to call it a night. You guys have a good one. [07:14]
BingoBoingo devthedev: You ever ru a p2pool? [07:14]
decimation agreed, there is an unfilled space for an 'adult' source distro [07:14]
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BingoBoingo Well ideas of adult and distro tend to run contrary to each other [07:16]
decimation ideally the distro should come from ascii's software-priests [07:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00076747 = 9.8236 BTC [+] {2} [07:17]
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BingoBoingo Or you know... magazines and glue sticks [07:18]
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BingoBoingo Oh, a Brian Goss, maybe the one from this space? >> http://www.tubeplus.me/player/2149175/Hotel_Hell/season_2/episode_8/Murphys_Hotel/?huid=hxpyursy1xh9 [07:22]
assbot HOTEL HELL S02E08 - Murphys Hotel - Watch Online For Free on TubePlus [07:22]
BingoBoingo Minute 25 is best minute [07:27]
decimation http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ << there was a strong solare flare from an earth-facing sunspot at 1745 utc, could produce a nasty geomagnetic storm in a few days [07:29]
assbot NOAA / NWS Space Weather Prediction Center [07:29]
upme_boolcrap nice [07:30]
upme_boolcrap i want a solar flare that will destroy every electric instrument on earth [07:30]
asciilifeform upme_boolcrap: tough one. [07:31]
asciilifeform ;;google faraday cage [07:31]
gribble Faraday cage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; HowStuffWorks "How Faraday Cages Work": ; Build Your Own Faraday Cage. Here's How. - The Survivalist Blog: [07:31]
decimation it's not the initial flare, it's the geomagnetic storm, which is mainly a threat to equipment attached to long conductors [07:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25360 @ 0.00076189 = 19.3215 BTC [-] [07:32]
decimation EMP from ionospheric H-bomb is a bigger threat to small electronics, but can be defended as ascii points out [07:32]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [07:34]
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BingoBoingo Who needs TEMPEST wen you window leaks screen contents [07:35]
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asciilifeform http://chemistry.stackexchange.com/users/4296/uncle-al << apparently al schwartz is on 'stack exchange'... [07:37]
assbot User Uncle Al - Chemistry Stack Exchange [07:37]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: re schedule: what aspect of your professional work demands irregular hours? [07:40]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: The video wiggles only because the world does << yeah, but have you seen the de-wiggler in action? [07:41]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: multiple jobs, none of which have fixed hours as such [07:41]
ben_vulpes ah, i was only privy to the botnet inspector gig and NSA. [07:41]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: "easy", but do you? [07:42]
dub what the fuck is this net slowdown shit [07:42]
asciilifeform which 'easy' [07:42]
ben_vulpes ben_vulpes: exercise and regularity of schedule << exercise, easy; regularity of schedule is a dream to me, on account of my profession. [07:42]
decimation lol http://washingtonexaminer.com/lights-out-house-plan-would-protect-nations-electricity-from-solar-flare-nuclear-bomb/article/2532038 << " Officials said that the legislation, provided in advance to Secrets, will include information from a recent EMP commission report that "contemporary U.S. society is not structured, nor does it have the means, to provide for the needs of nearly 300 million Americans without electricity.'': [07:43]
assbot Lights out: House plan would protect nation's electricity from solar flare, nuclear bomb | WashingtonExaminer.com [07:43]
dub my work week looks like ass for the rest of the year [07:43]
asciilifeform aha [07:43]
dub 22:00-03:00 4 nights a week [07:44]
* asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. [07:44]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Week I graduated college the world wiggled every other day. Maybe my life stalled out because it stopped??? [07:44]
decimation I suspect that the fantasy-plans for "contingency usg" would be a hilarious read [07:44]
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BingoBoingo * asciilifeform is not entirely innocent of exercise, is fond of walking around endlessly. << Walking is my escape plan [07:44]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: see robert sheckley's short story 'petrified world.' [07:44]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://www.american-buddha.com/sheckleycanyoufeel.3.htm [07:45]
assbot Can You Feel Anything When I Do This?, by Robert Sheckley [07:45]
decimation asciilifeform: also recommended by taleb. seems reasonable to do what humans have been doing for millennia [07:45]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo, asciilifeform: walking does not take one to the edge of the performance envelope. [07:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Today an old colleague commented that i lost weight. Did not know the proper response to that. [07:46]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: It can [07:46]
ben_vulpes BingoBoingo: "isn't it great?" [07:46]
ben_vulpes "can" is not "does" [07:46]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Edge is not always VO2MAX!!! [07:47]
ben_vulpes scusi? [07:47]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Consecutive days walking is a metric too, right? [07:48]
ben_vulpes bell is used by other people to ruin your sleep. in exchange for food & housing. << f/h can be had without signing that contract. contract that includes "bells" should carry a markup adequate to compensate for the interruption of critical bio processes [07:49]
BingoBoingo loll Torstein [07:49]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: many things 'can be had' in principle - e.g., mircea_popescu's kit. [07:50]
asciilifeform reduction to practice - another matter. [07:50]
ben_vulpes contract negotiation is where everything starts. [07:51]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: don't misunderstand the original gripe. the bell is annoying precisely because it rings - rarely. [07:51]
BingoBoingo No, sometimes contract happens before negotiation. [07:51]
asciilifeform the difference between 'rarely' and 'never' is often more palpable than between 'daily' and 'rarely.' [07:51]
ben_vulpes ah [07:52]
ben_vulpes i had misunderstood [07:52]
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* asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. [07:52]
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BingoBoingo * asciilifeform merely dreams of living his built-in 26-hour circadian rhythm. << If I normalize I live on roughly 29 hour dyas [07:53]
asciilifeform 29 -> not so bad. resynches with non-mutants weekly or so. [07:54]
BingoBoingo Indeed [07:54]
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ben_vulpes this natural schedule bs is bs [07:54]
BingoBoingo Winter though I have week long days. Summer I have day long weeks [07:54]
ben_vulpes sun comes up, mammals wake [07:54]
ben_vulpes sun goes down, mammals nap [07:55]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: Oh, my schedule is anything but natural [07:55]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: nope. [07:55]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: ever meet a cat? [07:55]
ben_vulpes noctunrnes exluded [07:55]
BingoBoingo ;;google Five days with Freddie [07:55]
gribble Five Nights at Freddy's Windows game | Desura: ; Five Nights at Freddy's on Steam: ; Five Days At Freddy's| SCARIEST GAME EVER!| Night 1 - YouTube: [07:55]
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BingoBoingo I dunno that any advanced primate has a set schedule [07:56]
asciilifeform some folks have approximately 24h clock, think we're malingerers. what can i say. [07:56]
ben_vulpes hey i'm shoehorning my own cycle into the american business routine too asciilifeform [07:57]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Half the year I can make them feel lazy. Unfortunatley for me the half they aren't looking [07:57]
ben_vulpes although i never had the oportunity to discover what a "true" or "honest" cycle might look like, i just beat it until it submitted to what i wanted from my life [07:58]
BingoBoingo Back in JUly this year I had a week with 90 minutes of sleep [07:58]
BingoBoingo http://www.hulu.com/watch/615841#i0,p0,d0 [07:59]
assbot Watch The Blacklist Online - Milton Bobbit | Hulu [07:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17541 @ 0.00076586 = 13.434 BTC [+] {3} [08:01]
ben_vulpes ;;ud jewgolf [08:02]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Westchester | mostly suburban county bordering the bronx to the south and fairfield county, ct to the north. largely perceived as a haven for wealthy investment bankers, ... [08:02]
ben_vulpes What, like JewGolf? << dear sir please assplain yourself [08:03]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes: What, you think the dark run the game of baskets? [08:03]
BingoBoingo Stern, Silver??? [08:03]
BingoBoingo Jews run basketball. [08:03]
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BingoBoingo Also the chance Wisconsin does not win out the rest of its schedule is so remote that people who want to bet on it need to bitc to the Big 1G [08:05]
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ben_vulpes teh jooz run everything [08:10]
ben_vulpes cept bitcoin [08:10]
ben_vulpes ;;gettrust Azelphur [08:11]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user Azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=Azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012 [08:11]
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Knot_Yeti rar [08:18]
decimation hax! [08:18]
Knot_Yeti someone's paying attention... [08:18]
Knot_Yeti Anyone care to share your thoughts on this article? I know many of you aren't America, but perhaps you can relate afterall. http://boldanddetermined.com/2011/11/10/the-continued-pussification-of-the-american-male/ << holy KRS-1 [08:19]
assbot The Continued Pussification of the American Male [08:19]
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Knot_Yeti Fuck KC, I was hoping you'd have an StL solution. Or maybe CoMo << flat, no earthquakes, reliable oil for the gennies, it's in every american seven-niner's uptime plan [08:22]
Knot_Yeti lordy im having trouble putting this beer and grinder down [08:22]
BingoBoingo Knot_Yeti: Also moar Niggers in the county PD [08:22]
Knot_Yeti dun matter for the dc [08:22]
BingoBoingo Ferguson could never liberate in KC [08:22]
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BingoBoingo You have to remember I find Ladue Nigger central. [08:23]
BingoBoingo RUF is for the people [08:23]
Knot_Yeti you're making less sense than vexual [08:23]
BingoBoingo Knot_Yeti: No, I'm just saying STLCPD is a bunch of Niggers and the blacks in Ferguson deserve the right to lynch them [08:24]
Knot_Yeti i certainly wouldn't know [08:25]
BingoBoingo Knot_Yeti: Well of course you can't in Vanilla city [08:26]
Knot_Yeti but i'm not about to stand up for the assholes running bikers over while tapping on their wheelbox-mounted tablest [08:26]
Knot_Yeti Homogeneity City [08:26]
mircea_popescu Knot_Yeti who're you ? [08:26]
Knot_Yeti ;;ident [08:27]
gribble CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Nick 'Knot_Yeti', with hostmask 'Knot_Yeti!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None [08:27]
mircea_popescu lolk [08:27]
BingoBoingo I miss Bob Ross [08:27]
mircea_popescu i think im too young to know bob ross [08:28]
Knot_Yeti so who is this recruiter character? [08:28]
Knot_Yeti pahaha mircea_popescu old the notion [08:28]
BingoBoingo I saw bob ross and you've got a decade on me MP [08:29]
Knot_Yeti *young the notion [08:29]
mircea_popescu Knot_Yeti he's some guy working really hard at being halpful. im curious if it ends in tears, despair or great success. [08:29]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [08:30]
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mircea_popescu o shoit, bob ross is the guy that "would you like a fresh towel" dude was trying to immitate. [08:30]
BingoBoingo Yeah [08:30]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTpttu6sqjw [08:31]
assbot Road Trip - ALL Rubin scenes - part 2 - YouTube [08:31]
Knot_Yeti trustable btc hosting is probably in more demand atm << lotsa this [08:31]
Knot_Yeti but uninterruptible power, people on call 24/7, audited security procedures, remote hands... [08:31]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRhmNROtH44 << interesting to students of chemistry as well as noob machinists who would, had they not seen it, mounted Al shaft in PTFE bearing... [08:32]
assbot Teflon with aluminum reaction (flash explosion) - YouTube [08:32]
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mircea_popescu !up frankenmint [08:32]
-assbot- You voiced frankenmint for 30 minutes. [08:32]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's the worst that can happen [08:33]
frankenmint thanks [08:33]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the reaction pictured. [08:33]
mircea_popescu it's just a flesh wound [08:33]
asciilifeform lol [08:33]
Knot_Yeti flash wound [08:33]
asciilifeform flesh is cheap, fine machinery - costly. [08:33]
asciilifeform (there is always - more flesh.) [08:33]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Today I had to explain my secret sauce for preserving great editions [08:34]
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mircea_popescu decimation: 'peripheral' laser scanner << you mean the handheld shits ? [08:35]
mircea_popescu frankenmint sure. how goes ? [08:35]
frankenmint chillin whatchin chocolat [08:35]
frankenmint https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.0 [08:36]
assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? [08:36]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah the little 'pen' devices [08:36]
frankenmint found that felt like a loser for not doing a otc trade yet [08:36]
mircea_popescu decimation: it's true, I miss the contrast ratio for one thing << what i miss most about crts, believe it or not, is the shade. [08:36]
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mircea_popescu a crt you can adjust to be as unluminous as you'd like. a lcd, no. has a minimum. [08:37]
decimation asciilifeform: would not want to breathe that smoke... [08:37]
asciilifeform shade >> yes! [08:37]
mircea_popescu frankenmint :p [08:37]
decimation mircea_popescu: yeah a well-known defect of lcds. supposedly the new led-based displays will overcome this [08:37]
mircea_popescu i still have perfect vision, after decades with computors. i credit : a) low monitors and b) large fonts. [08:37]
asciilifeform decimation: OLED aging makes crt phosphours look indestructible. [08:38]
mircea_popescu well they hope they're fixing that [08:38]
asciilifeform lol why would 'they'. [08:38]
mircea_popescu prolly with some more rare earths nobody ever heard of and thatdon't really exist [08:38]
asciilifeform homo chumpiens isn't meant to keep his iPnohe for longer than a year, or the like. [08:39]
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mircea_popescu lol homo chumpiens [08:39]
mircea_popescu that has staying powers. [08:39]
mircea_popescu lmao look at this, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124441.msg8133410#msg8133410 [08:39]
assbot So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? [08:39]
asciilifeform pronounce as 'champions' for extra bite. [08:40]
mircea_popescu keep upo the good work, he says. [08:40]
mircea_popescu decimation: a good sweet watermelon is one of the pleasures of the end of summer << better if it comes with a pair of black girls. [08:40]
mircea_popescu or was it the girl with a pair of melons [08:40]
mircea_popescu hum. getting old, bad memory. [08:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. [08:41]
decimation I miss the little wire shadows on my old trinitron [08:41]
asciilifeform i was there, we weighed it... [08:41]
decimation asciilifeform: that's amazing [08:41]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [08:41]
mircea_popescu alaska ? [08:41]
asciilifeform nah, here [08:41]
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BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: that fellow grew a 15kg watermelon. << Grandpa wasted soil this year on 215 lb-is pumpkin [08:43]
asciilifeform neato [08:43]
mircea_popescu chalbersma: So what's next on this P2Pool server? << oblivion, quite likely. [08:43]
decimation specs on trinitron vs. lcd & plasma & dlp http://www.displaymate.com/ShootOut_Part_1.htm [08:43]
assbot Display Technology Shoot-Out Part I [08:43]
BingoBoingo A great number of groundhogs died for it though. [08:43]
decimation lcds have gotten better, just about 3 times worse than a trinitron crt (in its prime) in contrast [08:44]
RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - he went to bed - was asking me how to proceed, but I was unavail. I'll invite him again tomorrow [08:44]
decimation I suspect that trinitrons are still in use for medical applications where resolution and contrast are critical [08:45]
Knot_Yeti decimation: pixel density tho [08:45]
asciilifeform decimation: probably all faded now. [08:45]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol honestly, may be overkill for this task. it's more of a small potatoes sort of thing to allow some eager kid to get his feet wet and get some ratings [08:45]
asciilifeform decimation: 'eizo' and 'barco' make almost usable lcds, for those applications [08:45]
mircea_popescu than for someone to try and senior developer all over it [08:45]
RagnarDanneskjol thats exactly what he is [08:45]
RagnarDanneskjol he's not senior - sent you his resume [08:45]
* asciilifeform owns a few 'eizo' [08:45]
decimation ben_vulpes: yeah you are right the resolution on modern lcds is 'better' [08:46]
asciilifeform the last trinitron knockoff, afaik, rolled off the conveyor in early '09. [08:46]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol i guess that may explain the vague approach. alrighty, we talk more tomorro or w/e, see what he wants to do. [08:46]
RagnarDanneskjol k [08:46]
asciilifeform (somewhere in china, ntsc/pal picture tubes are still made. you don't want these.) [08:47]
decimation heh probably no shielding [08:47]
asciilifeform 600 lines. [08:47]
frankenmint ok irl calls laterz [08:47]
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decimation I suppose for the paupers who just need a screen cheap crt is cheaper than lcd [08:48]
asciilifeform was. [08:48]
mircea_popescu no it's not ? [08:48]
mircea_popescu an extra sq ft of floor space = cost. [08:48]
* asciilifeform can't find a usable crt for $maxint [08:48]
mircea_popescu dub: what the fuck is this net slowdown shit << you broke it, you buy it. [08:49]
asciilifeform (21+ in., trinitron, virginal) [08:49]
mircea_popescu how the fuck are you going to find virginal trinitrons, haven't been made for two decades [08:49]
decimation one that was 'new in box' forgotten in some attic? [08:49]
asciilifeform don't be so quick to say 'never.' i went recently to a junk peddler, he has a sealed in box 'vic-20.' [08:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00076902 = 8.9975 BTC [+] [08:50]
asciilifeform same as the proverbial century-old wine bottles. [08:50]
asciilifeform 'how can it exist, someone'd have drunk it up' [08:50]
dub mircea_popescu: I saw an ad on bitcoinity and wtfd [08:50]
dub appears to be some goog propaganda [08:51]
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mircea_popescu you don't understand asciilifeform. europe sits on a lake of wine the size of michigan [08:51]
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BingoBoingo And nao you're going to tell me Agent Broachwala loves the Jewish state in the Levant.... [08:52]
KODE_YETI auxiliary wives << redundancy [08:52]
BingoBoingo Today canned commenters called Ferguson protesters terrorists [08:52]
KODE_YETI asciilifeform: obtain and install << lolya and maintain [08:53]
decimation lol http://www.eizo.com/global/products/radiforce/gx540/index.html#tab02 << monitors need to be approved by FDA? [08:53]
assbot RadiForce GX540 | EIZO [08:53]
asciilifeform lol i have that one! [08:53]
mircea_popescu nom nom nom [08:53]
decimation contrast ratio only 1.2k [08:53]
asciilifeform the gov. approval thing is for use in surgeries [08:53]
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decimation 10x worse than trinitron [08:53]
BingoBoingo ;;google hanley blockade terrorists [08:54]
gribble Military counter-intelligence unit monitored Elsipogtog anti-fracking ...: ; Ferguson Highway Blockade Roundup (5:33PM CDT): ; (1 more message) [08:54]
asciilifeform that's a bit unfair. trinitron ~= theoretically infinite contrast ratio (save the odd stray electron) [08:54]
decimation well, I don't deny that resolution is important too [08:54]
asciilifeform (actually never mind, i have an earlier 'radiforce' in other room, 1600x1200) [08:55]
decimation but it seems that our 'upgraded' lcd displays lack what we had in the past [08:55]
KODE_YETI all i know is pressed shitboard [08:55]
asciilifeform the 14-bit monochrome 'eizos' are quite unlike ordinary lcd [08:55]
asciilifeform you can use them in a sunlit room, for instance. [08:55]
KODE_YETI hey who is upme_boolcrap ? [08:55]
KODE_YETI ;;gettrust upme_boolcrap [08:55]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ben_vulpes to user upme_boolcrap: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ben_vulpes&dest=upme_boolcrap | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=upme_boolcrap | Rated since: never [08:55]
asciilifeform KODE_YETI: he's b00lcrap [08:56]
asciilifeform a fellow i know in meatspace. [08:56]
KODE_YETI ah yeah [08:56]
KODE_YETI hence keys comments [08:56]
BingoBoingo WHY HAS NO ONE ELSE TOLD STORIED ABOUT FBI??? [08:56]
KODE_YETI you're the only one so cursed [08:56]
asciilifeform (or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) [08:57]
BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: I have a masters degree in Library Science. This is not cursed. This is totally fucked by American Standards. [08:57]
KODE_YETI oh shit ozbot is totally still online [08:57]
BingoBoingo ozbot is. [08:57]
KODE_YETI DUDE [08:58]
asciilifeform fbi stories >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-08-2014#804607 [08:59]
assbot Logged on 22-08-2014 02:36:18; asciilifeform: 'The smell of diborane is known to a few experimenters, but they cannot tell us what it is.' [08:59]
BingoBoingo (or drunken impostor. don't lose keys, people will wonder.) << This [08:59]
KODE_YETI lol you dedicate one screen to emacs :) << i dedicate my largest screen to emacs [08:59]
KODE_YETI so you 'emerge' once and then do everything else by hand? << asciilifeform u fukn metal [08:59]
decimation KODE_YETI: yeah my pinky is starting to ache [09:00]
KODE_YETI decimation: capslock remap on os x [09:00]
BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: OSX is blaspemy [09:00]
KODE_YETI the "command" key on this altop has a hole in its black coating due to meta use [09:00]
BingoBoingo OSX is as much blasphemy as the devil [09:01]
KODE_YETI BingoBoingo: i just run emacs on whatever, man [09:01]
BingoBoingo And by devil I mean systemd [09:01]
KODE_YETI "os" be damned, emacs is my os [09:01]
decimation KODE_YETI: yeah but my pinky wants to hit shift instead of caps-lock, need to deactivate ctrl key [09:01]
BingoBoingo Well, work on emacs chip [09:01]
KODE_YETI greenarrays [09:01]
KODE_YETI forth -> lisp -> life [09:02]
BingoBoingo Work hard. [09:02]
BingoBoingo In my field. [09:02]
BingoBoingo Bring the cotton out to be sole. [09:02]
KODE_YETI i only work when there are $CURRENCY_UNITS on the table [09:02]
BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: Then explain VAN [09:02]
KODE_YETI lessons learned. [09:02]
BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: Can be leanrt maor [09:03]
KODE_YETI learn maori [09:03]
BingoBoingo KODE_YETI: Sorry I'm working on being trans ethic for useful ethicities [09:04]
decimation maori will help you negotiate with the british [09:04]
KODE_YETI and i'm working on stumbling home. nite all! [09:04]
asciilifeform 'North, north-by-east, nor'-nor'-east, nor'-east-by-north, north-east, colony—Attention! / Come to tea, all the men, round the niu—Attention!' [09:04]
asciilifeform (maori, obligatory, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pai_M%C4%81rire#The_chants ) [09:04]
assbot Pai Mrire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [09:04]
BingoBoingo ;;Knicker [09:07]
gribble Error: "Knicker" is not a valid command. [09:07]
decimation asciilifeform: lol [09:07]
BingoBoingo maori will help you negotiate with the british << Didn't you hear??? Moiety Starved. Scottish is NOT profitab le.. [09:08]
BingoBoingo And I just passed 4 liters of fart gas right nao. [09:09]
BingoBoingo ;;rate RagnarDanneskjol -3 confusion, correctable. In the interim What the Fuck's Sake [09:11]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user RagnarDanneskjol has changed from 2 to -3. [09:11]
mircea_popescu later gang. [09:11]
RagnarDanneskjol ?? [09:11]
RagnarDanneskjol care to elaborate [09:12]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo didja just drunkrate RagnarDanneskjol or what was that [15:27]
mircea_popescu dub: where these perchance, other primitave cultures faced with certain defeat in the face of a technilogically advanced imperial invasion << quite. just like the forum retards, the general response of the primitive mind to "o boy, this guy's so much better than you, better learn how to suck cock" is "lalala i can't hear anything" [15:28]
mircea_popescu punkman: I made a bitcent trading XMR, I r tradar nao! << dare i ask what xmr is or would that spoil the whole trader thing. [15:29]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [15:30]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 471.6, Best ask: 472.42, Bid-ask spread: 0.82000, Last trade: 472.45, 24 hour volume: 9612.17705410, 24 hour low: 470.1, 24 hour high: 491.0, 24 hour vwap: 481.983602007 [15:30]
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punkman mircea_popescu: that monero thing [15:32]
mircea_popescu oh i c [15:32]
mircea_popescu fluffypony: ASIC will likely outperform a GPU, but I'm guessing it will be in the ~5x better range, not huge. << if this is per watt, wouldn't it be quite huge ? [15:32]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: not for CryptoNight, no [15:33]
fluffypony CPUs perform well if they have AES-NI [15:33]
fluffypony which is most of the modern ones [15:33]
dub mircea_popescu: there's also the problem of motivating a guy holding a stick to charge at muskets [15:34]
mircea_popescu what i mean is, i'm a kid with a computer, i have to pay $200 for a new video card, and each watt gives me 1 thing. this other kid pays $500 for a consumer asic, each watt gives him... 5 things. the price of a thing will reflect this, going to ~1/4 the price of a watt, making me able to buy a lot more things for my $200 directly than i'd get mining ? [15:34]
mircea_popescu dub that's a solved problem, as you describe [15:34]
mircea_popescu which explains exactly the adaptive value of idiocy in large groups. [15:34]
mircea_popescu that's the problem with the human species : that because we're monkeys, which means we use young men as basically building material [15:35]
mircea_popescu idiocy is socially valuable. [15:35]
mircea_popescu as individually poisonous as it may be. [15:35]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: yes - but that's a capex cost, we're discussing the opex cost. At some point in the future when there actually are ASICs I suppose a ratio could be shown that includes the amortised cost of the hardware over time or something [15:35]
punkman aren't there plenty off-the-shelf hardware AES implementations? [15:36]
mircea_popescu fluffypony but my point here is as to market price, which really rarely reflects opex over capex [15:36]
fluffypony punkman: it's not the only thing it uses [15:36]
mircea_popescu i mean don't get me wrong, active experimental research in "o yeah, those asics are that cool ?" is quite valuable and a good use of one's time. [15:37]
mircea_popescu and i guess if 5x is the best so far then it's the best so far, and that's what it is [15:37]
mircea_popescu but i would have suspected 1.5x ish is more the range where it could be borne economically [15:37]
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fluffypony punkman: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3yoovsi0gk9n88a/cryptonight_tmp.pdf [15:39]
assbot Dropbox - cryptonight_tmp.pdf [15:40]
fluffypony if you're really interested in the inner workings [15:40]
mircea_popescu (this based on history of human tech, the speed of difussion of tech inovations as a function of their added efficiency. for instance the iron plow was about 7-8x more efficient than the shit it replaced, and it took over practically in the same generation. meanwhile longbows were not 2x more effectual over cataphracts, and they took about a century to take over) [15:40]
punkman these cryptonote guys seem dedicated to crapcoins: https://cryptonote.org/coins/ [15:41]
assbot CryptoNote Currencies [15:41]
punkman heh step-by-step instructions for forking https://cryptonotestarter.org/inner.html [15:42]
assbot CryptoNote currency forking guide [15:42]
jurov xmj try altcoin? [15:43]
mircea_popescu "It is designed to have zero commercial value since its genesis block is replaced every 2 months." this is a pretty good way to do it, actually. [15:43]
jurov with the friend's miner i mean [15:43]
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mircea_popescu "This coin's enthusiasts contribute to the applied aspects of the CryptoNote technology. It has been launched as a fork of Bytecoin in April 2014. Bitmonero/Monero was subject to a quarrel among the community members on the choice of name. Nevertheless, its contribution is valuable to CryptoNote’s popularization. Moreover, it has the fastest block generation speed of 1 minute." [15:45]
mircea_popescu lmao that's relevant i'm sure. [15:45]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you feel like reading up on all this crap and produce a summary ? but i mean a good one, like a disertation level thing. [15:46]
mircea_popescu " but assuming you accept its technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks, in favor of a balance between CPU, GPU, and ASICs)" << stuff like that sounds like a total ouch. [15:48]
mircea_popescu fluffypony is your 5x estimate arrived at through some process or just taken from dga ? [15:48]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: just taken from dga [15:48]
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fluffypony the block flooding DoS attack doesn't work with Monero, at least not that we've been able to simulate [15:49]
mircea_popescu why is that ? [15:49]
fluffypony it's too aggressive in its consensus code [15:49]
mircea_popescu can you model this for me ? [15:50]
fluffypony it graylists peers that try submit a bad block [15:50]
mircea_popescu can i use this to graylist everyone ? [15:50]
fluffypony yes, but graylists expire [15:50]
fluffypony eventually [15:50]
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mircea_popescu seems like moving the goalpost, it's still a dos [15:50]
fluffypony the point of the DoS is to burn CPU cycles and tie up the CPU of a peer [15:51]
mircea_popescu dos is dos, as long as you can't use a service because of a 3rd party it's a denial of service. [15:51]
fluffypony if you just want to DDoS them from a bandwidth perspective there are easier ways like LOIC [15:51]
fluffypony well that's what I'm saying - the block flooding DoS doesn't work [15:51]
fluffypony a LOIC attack woudl work [15:51]
mircea_popescu but it does work i nthe sense of, graylist dos. [15:52]
fluffypony or a SYN flood even [15:52]
* fluffypony shakes head [15:52]
mircea_popescu which way lol [15:52]
mircea_popescu i can't see you :D [15:52]
fluffypony you can't reconnect as a new IP fast enough [15:52]
fluffypony in other words [15:52]
fluffypony I have 12 peers connected to me [15:52]
mircea_popescu you can't ? (i dunno, i'm asking) [15:52]
fluffypony when I graylist you then you have to reconnect to me from a new peer and submit a bad block [15:53]
fluffypony rinse-repeat [15:53]
mircea_popescu this isn't what i meant earlier. [15:53]
mircea_popescu can i craft blocks and announce them so that the entire fucking network ends up graylisting each other [15:53]
fluffypony no [15:53]
fluffypony you'll get graylisted [15:53]
fluffypony nobody will rebroadcast it [15:53]
fluffypony so you get isolated [15:54]
mircea_popescu but in the interval where people stil don [15:54]
mircea_popescu t know yet if the block is any good ? [15:54]
jurov mircea_popescu: so you send bad block to everyone at once, yes? [15:54]
fluffypony in the 0.03 seconds it takes the peer to verify the block you won't even have completed the handshake to send another block [15:54]
mircea_popescu " technical tradeoffs (slow block verification leading to increased susceptibility to block-flooding DoS attacks" [15:55]
jurov everyone is DoSed for 0.03 seconds and you're graylisted [15:55]
mircea_popescu fluffypony so are you basically saying he's just talking nonsense ? [15:55]
fluffypony no, we theorised that the attack was possible [15:55]
mircea_popescu jurov i dunno, i'm trying to clarify this claim. [15:55]
mircea_popescu fluffypony ok, so if we accept this avenue exists, then a blacklisting scheme would not logically be expected to resolve it, just move the problem. [15:55]
jurov fluffypony: what about ipv6? practically unlimited number of addresses [15:55]
mircea_popescu this is a purely logical approach, i have nfi of how it practically works [15:56]
fluffypony mircea_popescu: well Bitcoin's solution to the problem is to use SHA2 [15:56]
fluffypony so that less CPU is burnt [15:56]
fluffypony for the same attack [15:56]
mircea_popescu yes [15:56]
fluffypony both are equally "susceptible" [15:56]
fluffypony so the mitigation is the same [15:56]
mircea_popescu so basically you're saying the technical tradeoff in question isn' treally trading anything worth the menton. [15:56]
fluffypony yes [15:56]
mircea_popescu aha okay. [15:56]
mircea_popescu i can arrive at a formulation of what the op thinks that i can integrate, it just takes an op that can answer questions for long enough :D [15:57]
fluffypony lol [15:57]
fluffypony welcome to b-a :-P [15:57]
mircea_popescu thanks i plan to spend a lot of time here [15:58]
fluffypony you really should [15:58]
fluffypony sometimes there is even pronz in the channel [15:59]
fluffypony and indian girls looking for free flight tickets [15:59]
mircea_popescu oh my [16:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google wolves and bears of my [16:00]
gribble Natural Trap Cave: prehistoric lions, dire wolves, and bears, oh my ...: ; Lions and gray wolves and bears? Oh, my! | News-Gazette.com: ; Cougars and wolves and bears...oh my - (1 more message) [16:00]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Etx-nDCZzLo [16:01]
assbot Judy Garland: Lions and tigers and bears! Oh my! (The Wizard Of Oz, 1939) - YouTube [16:01]
mircea_popescu here we go, useless bumgle. [16:01]
fluffypony lol [16:01]
mircea_popescu lions in the fucking forest. huzzah for all teh lernin'. [16:02]
thestringpuller today mircea_popescu exhibits symptoms of amnesia [16:02]
mircea_popescu anyway this dga fellow should be here. someone invite him [16:03]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2014#825979 << this is like the first intelligent thing i've seen xmj say, but it is impressive. [16:05]
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mircea_popescu (i mean the whole monologue, not just the one line) [16:06]
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nubbins` my sides [16:07]
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nubbins` orcapomorphism [16:12]
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nubbins` wait [16:12]
nubbins` orcamorphism? [16:12]
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punkman aye [16:13]
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mircea_popescu o hay beautyon_ ! Le never fails to unintentionally entertain, but really, that's one you should prolly blog. [16:13]
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mircea_popescu nubbins`: http://i.imgur.com/qEfxrXP.gif <<< bwahhah cat magnet [16:15]
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mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/7acf8dba23117cd363e41e8f5d25581c/tumblr_mzo97lKriP1rhup7qo1_400.gif someone said something of pronz. [16:24]
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thestringpuller when will assbot have !bait [17:03]
thestringpuller !bait [17:03]
thestringpuller :( [17:03]
mircea_popescu http://33.media.tumblr.com/b56dc09335df5284be9ffc571b1b2a3e/tumblr_mn5gg0b2Ki1r28s53o1_1280.png here. [17:03]
thestringpuller yay! [17:04]
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mircea_popescu !up kolinko [17:14]
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mircea_popescu kolinko np. what brings you here ? [17:17]
mircea_popescu (you the appcodes kolinko ?) [17:18]
kolinko yes [17:18]
kolinko I founded Orisi two months ago (orisi.org) - it's a framework for building smart contracts [17:18]
mircea_popescu if you prove that i'll rate you, then you can self voice [17:18]
kolinko cool, will do that in a few minutes [17:18]
kolinko and I'm thinking of building a bitcoin smart contract for put/call options [17:19]
mircea_popescu the contract ain';t the problem there. [17:20]
kolinko what's the problem then? [17:20]
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kolinko (the idea is that a smart contract would be protected by a set of trustworthy individuals - no reliance on a single point of failure) [17:23]
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mircea_popescu kolinko http://trilema.com/2014/mpoe-february-2014-statement/ read the misc section. [17:23]
assbot MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:23]
mircea_popescu and when you're done with that, to put things in perspective for you, mpex carried about 1mn total btc worth of options over a coupla years. [17:24]
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RagnarDanneskjol also, 'trustworthy' is rather subjective [17:26]
mircea_popescu a "single point of failure" is a trustworthy individual by definition anyway. [17:26]
kolinko mircea_popescu - confirmation that I'm the appcodes kolinko: twitter.com/kolinko [17:26]
RagnarDanneskjol haha [17:26]
mircea_popescu ;;rate kolinko appcodes guy [17:26]
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mircea_popescu ;;rate kolinko 1 appcodes guy [17:26]
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mircea_popescu kolinko id with gribble, pm assbot !up you get voice. [17:27]
RagnarDanneskjol oh i see nao [17:27]
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kolinko mircea: I'll read the misc in a sec. as for your volume - I know it well - I'm your user since 2012 iirc [17:29]
kolinko the idea for the distributed contract was that if I want to build a business that relies on options, such a business shouldn't rely on a single individual/company [17:30]
mircea_popescu the problem with this approach is that if they're to be trusted they're sops by definition, and vice-versa. [17:30]
kolinko well, but if we had a panel of 15 trustworthy individuals, with a consensus of more than 50% of them required to release the fund [17:31]
mircea_popescu sybil attacks, and why would they be arsed to care about your needs. [17:31]
mircea_popescu these aren't simple problems, and they're unsimple for fundamental reasons, it's not a matter of implementation. [17:32]
mircea_popescu circle cvadrature is not a question of "get better draing tools" [17:32]
mircea_popescu drawing* [17:32]
kolinko well, sybil attack is really only a problem in systems that rely on anonymous parties [17:33]
kolinko as for why would be they arsed - for provision/payment of course [17:33]
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mircea_popescu you are wrong in the first. sybil attacks are a problem on all systems that rely on identity to any degree. [17:34]
kolinko the same way it happens now with centralised systems? [17:34]
mircea_popescu in any form and in any way. [17:34]
mircea_popescu and the arsed problem is not something to brush aside. the better your sybil protection, the more expensive their pointless expense. [17:34]
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mircea_popescu so they won't be arsed. [17:34]
jurov kolinko it currently does not happen, that's the problem [17:34]
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mircea_popescu jurov well... it happened with libor :D [17:35]
mircea_popescu lotta trusted parties involved there. lulz. [17:35]
kolinko jurov: the idea is that you agree on an algorithm beforehand, and everyone uses the same one [17:36]
mircea_popescu anyway, sybil attacks are specifically not a problem in anon systems. if you go for a romp in a gay cinema, to be fucked by a random man, it makes no difference to you who fucks you, so you can't be sybil'd by definition. [17:36]
kolinko lol [17:36]
mircea_popescu lol all you will, tis true :) [17:36]
kolinko :) [17:36]
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ThickAsThieves trust is a commodity [17:37]
mircea_popescu now, if you want to go back and get diddled by THE SAME GUY AS LAST TIME, you're in for it. [17:37]
ThickAsThieves it can be sold out anytime [17:37]
ThickAsThieves just sometimes the price aint what it seems [17:38]
kolinko what I meant is - if you have a system of 15 parties, each one of them signing messages with their own gpg keys, that can be quite secure against the sybil attack. the attacker would have to steal keys of 8 independent parties. [17:38]
mircea_popescu people tend to easily forget what identity means. here it is : =. every time you're using an equality sign, numerical, logical or otherwise you're relying on identity. cuz that's what it is. [17:38]
kolinko collution between parties is another matter of course [17:38]
mircea_popescu kolinko no, because how do you get the 15 parties ? [17:38]
mircea_popescu what if one wants to join ? were they 8 at some point ? 6 ? [17:38]
ThickAsThieves collusion + pollution = collution? [17:38]
mircea_popescu if god gave us 15 pilars then that'd be that [17:39]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves lmao [17:39]
mircea_popescu kolinko if you have a process to go from 1 party to two, then you have a sybil problem. and to have 15 you necessarily must have had that process. [17:40]
kolinko not necessarily [17:40]
mircea_popescu unless you've revolutionized counting, yes. [17:40]
mircea_popescu this is fundamental mathematics we're discussing here. [17:41]
kolinko you can create the list of 15 all at once. people wouldn't trust the list because they saw it being created. they trust the list, because they can review it one by one, and see that all the individuals are indeed trustworthy [17:42]
ThickAsThieves :/ [17:42]
kolinko in other words - you don't trust the list of 15 people because the list of 14 people said that you should trust it. you trust the list because you can see who's on it, and they look trustworthy. [17:42]
ThickAsThieves why are we making lists and giving things to 15 people? i guess i better read the logs, is this OT or something? [17:42]
mircea_popescu "all at once" ? what is this. [17:42]
mircea_popescu simultaneity in reality ? through what magic ? [17:42]
mircea_popescu and anyway, if "you" create it then you're just counting from 1 to 15. [17:43]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves nah, he's just trying to solve a fundamental problem through implementation and got blindsided by a theoretical exposition of it. [17:43]
kolinko you're nitpicking. what I meant is that it doesn't matter who created the list and how. what matters is whether the list really contains gpg keys of the people, and whether the people on the list want to participate [17:43]
ThickAsThieves decentralization as an ideal doesnt really exist, it's just a degree of centralization [17:44]
mircea_popescu but this also happens to be the definition of a sybil vulnerability. [17:44]
ThickAsThieves which in turn is just order against chaos [17:44]
kolinko well, every system is breakable. it's just a question of probability [17:44]
mircea_popescu hence my comment about them being arsed to put up with the cost of the defense. [17:45]
mircea_popescu and for that matter : the spf system is not breakable. [17:45]
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mircea_popescu this is the main advantage of an overlord that the decentralize fanboys tend to ignore. if you have a good overlord, the system is unbreakable period. [17:46]
mircea_popescu not a question of any probabilities. [17:46]
ThickAsThieves til a nuke lands on your head at least [17:46]
kolinko the problem is that the overlord can disappear at any time [17:46]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves but see, if you delete the program, you can't say you've broken the code. [17:46]
ThickAsThieves fair enough [17:46]
mircea_popescu a system that either works as intended or not at all is the holy grail of unbreakability. [17:46]
mircea_popescu kolinko yes. [17:47]
ThickAsThieves but arent we discussing sustainability of a system? [17:47]
mircea_popescu well it's reasonably unclear what we're actually discussing. [17:47]
ThickAsThieves hehe [17:47]
kolinko as for people being bothered into doing this - it's a valid question, but one that can only be answered by trying it in practice [17:47]
ThickAsThieves for me, arguing against centralization as a broad value is silly [17:48]
mircea_popescu nah, it can actually be answered in theory too. just, it gets esoteric quickly. [17:48]
ThickAsThieves these are just system design factors [17:48]
kolinko :) [17:48]
ThickAsThieves not ideals or such [17:48]
kolinko what I'm really trying to figure out is whether people would be willing to try such a system [17:48]
ThickAsThieves people will try anything if youre wearing the right clothes [17:49]
mircea_popescu i wouldn't. [17:49]
mircea_popescu but some people might, sure. [17:49]
mircea_popescu imo the avenue to this standardisation is, once moloko delivers the registrar of deeds, and if indeed we want to do a lot of option trade, [17:50]
mircea_popescu it'll just work from there relying on the wot and that. [17:50]
penguirker New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/tango-on-avenida-corrientes-buenos-aires/ [17:50]
mircea_popescu but really, there doesn't seem to be that much demand for options once the darkpool and bitbet respectively take the slack. [17:50]
ThickAsThieves so at first i was frustrated at this 1bTCXE trading challenge because basically what it is is they gave everyone a fake account with half BTC / half USD credits and people are set wild to trade the assets. However, there is no tie to the real market so it's mostly a psychological/economical experiment. In this case, is there theory on how such a market would play out? [17:52]
mircea_popescu read up on schelling ? [17:52]
ThickAsThieves only light exposure [17:52]
ThickAsThieves i know the concept, but how do i see the point? [17:53]
The20YearIRCloud mircea_popescu: re : keynesians - they still seem to be popular in the US. Alot worship at the temple [17:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: re: tango piece: did you take the creature home as a pet ? [17:53]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform did not. too old. [17:53]
asciilifeform aha. [17:54]
kolinko let's say that I wanted to build a business that relies on options... a web wallet that maintains the users' bitcoin balance stable in relation to usd (e.g. I put $100 worth of btc into the wallet, and after a year I'm almost guaranteed to be able to withdraw $100, regardless of bitcoin price) [17:54]
mircea_popescu experience shows girl under 30 or so has a lot of trouble reeducating. [17:54]
mircea_popescu over* [17:54]
kolinko such a business would require option trading on the backend. but how could it trade options securely, as of today? [17:54]
mircea_popescu kolinko either on otc or maybe make bitbet bets. [17:54]
The20YearIRCloud kol - it wouldn't be hard as long as you had a option to withdraw the USD [17:54]
The20YearIRCloud We've kind of looked at something like that, but offering USD denominated bonds sold via bitcoin [17:54]
mircea_popescu or i guess by trading the x.eur delivered future, if you can actually take delivery. [17:55]
kolinko bitbet is centralised, and the business would have to rely on bitbet not failing, right? [17:55]
los_pantalones the price of the vol on the puts is too high [17:55]
mircea_popescu all trade relies on your conterparty not running off. but yes. [17:55]
los_pantalones doesn't matter where you source it [17:55]
kolinko otc is hard to do automatically/hard to scale, or am I wrong? [17:55]
los_pantalones i'll sell to you on whatever platform you want [17:55]
los_pantalones but you'll drown in vol premium [17:55]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones bitbet is seriously not that expensive. 1% + time value. [17:55]
los_pantalones that's a good point, bitbet is your cheapest option [17:56]
mircea_popescu it is, yes. [17:56]
los_pantalones standard vanilla options much more expensive [17:56]
kolinko some good ideas here, thanks :) [17:56]
jurov kolinko we did not solve the exercise price yet (which was mpoe's undoing) [17:56]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones the eur future is actually even cheaper, arguably. [17:57]
RagnarDanneskjol if you must oracle, aristocracy is your best bet kolinko: http://trilema.com/2014/bitcoin-assets-m/#footnote_2_53902 [17:57]
mircea_popescu course doing a synth option on a future is fucking tricky. [17:57]
assbot #bitcoin-assets +m pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [17:57]
jurov how are these 15 people work on untrustworthy data from exchanges? [17:57]
mircea_popescu jurov honestly, if you actually had 15 people that were there assembled for merit, not just random derpage [17:57]
jurov regardless of you using bitbet or otc [17:57]
mircea_popescu i'd rather trust their fixing than exchanges. [17:57]
mircea_popescu you know how fixing works right ? [17:58]
kolinko well, the most expensive variant would be to rely on humans [17:58]
mircea_popescu yes, like with sex and food. [17:58]
mircea_popescu the most expensive variant is to get actual sex and actual food. [17:58]
kolinko i.e. each of the 15 operators provides the btc price, and the average is chosen after throwing away the extremes [17:59]
jurov yes, if these people can back the fixed price then it would go well [17:59]
mircea_popescu kolinko read up on fixing. srsly. [17:59]
jurov but then that's different thing than some deciding oracle [17:59]
mircea_popescu the thing that annoys me most about contemporaneity is that somehow it got convinced nothing pre ww2 ever happened. nfi why. so many excellent implementations of good solutions seem to just vanish in the general knowledge. [18:00]
mircea_popescu jurov quite different yes. [18:00]
kolinko it's still more secure than trusting a single party to provide the price, isn't it? [18:00]
mircea_popescu only if you have a good selection of 15. [18:00]
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mircea_popescu like you knolw, two girls are a better fuck than just one. provided they're not insane. [18:00]
mats_cd03 kolinko: funny enough, thats how LIBOR was pegged. didya catch how LIBOR ended up rigged? [18:01]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 i maintain it's free money that did it. [18:01]
kolinko :) well, to really break the system you'd need 8 of 15 conspire without the other 7 discovering that [18:01]
mircea_popescu kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. [18:01]
mats_cd03 what is with you and this magic 15 number. i don't get it [18:01]
kolinko mats_cd03 didn't know about that. any link to the story? (or I can google) [18:02]
mircea_popescu three times the five talmudic pillars ? [18:02]
mircea_popescu one for each form of the trinity ? [18:02]
kolinko if you have 100 nobody will be bother to independently verify the list. 5 is too few. also, 15 is a technical limit - the max number of sigs for bitcoin multisig wallet is 15 [18:03]
mircea_popescu ahahahaaha WHAT [18:03]
mircea_popescu holy shit what is wrong with these derps. [18:03]
mats_cd03 why not 11. come on, it works for the judicial system in the US! [18:03]
mircea_popescu "o i know, instead of specifying this "hairball" we keep blaming on satoshi... how about we add... MORE MAGIC NUMBERS!!11" [18:03]
mircea_popescu fucktards. [18:03]
jurov kolinko again..these 15 say "the price at time T is P becuase.. some bullshit" [18:03]
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jurov 1000s worth of option exercise based on that [18:04]
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mats_cd03 oops... not 11... anyway. [18:04]
mircea_popescu srsly, the "multisig" thing has an arbitrary 15 limit ? [18:04]
jurov now you think the price was not fair [18:04]
jurov what now? [18:04]
kolinko mircea: 15 or 16. would have to check it again. but yeah, seriously [18:04]
* mats_cd03 has forgotten all his American Constitutional Law, even basics [18:04]
mircea_popescu kolinko shame on you for seriously thinking of pushing this crap downstream, seriously now. [18:04]
mircea_popescu "the limit some idiots put in is 15 so now i'm going to make it part of my brain" ? what is wrong with you! [18:05]
kolinko I'm not saying this is the best possible solution, only that it might be the most practical one [18:05]
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mircea_popescu code in such a way you won't be ashamed to show what you've written to your kids or the woman that may potentially carry them. [18:06]
mats_cd03 tell me why i would trust even 8 of 15 folks in this system [18:06]
mats_cd03 and don't fucking say its because there are 15 of them. [18:06]
kolinko mats: you'd check the list one by one, and you'd determine that each one of them seems reasonable [18:06]
RagnarDanneskjol seems legit [18:07]
kolinko and that all of them are quite unlikely to collude [18:07]
punkman if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around [18:07]
mircea_popescu punkman you're starting to sound like the girls :D [18:07]
mats_cd03 unless i have a handler that knows where they live, who their friends are, where their assets are kept, trusting that many individuals seems a tricky proposition. trusting just one is hard enough [18:07]
kolinko no trust in the central authority / list creator. you'd see some folks with a high WoT rating, some bitcointalk hero members, some known businesspeople, and of course 8 of them would be us senators. [18:08]
mircea_popescu holy shit [18:08]
mats_cd03 heh hero members [18:08]
kolinko :) oh come on, you know what I mean [18:08]
mircea_popescu well i guess mpoe-pr was a hero... member. [18:08]
punkman 8 US senators? [18:08]
punkman stepping up the troll game? [18:09]
mircea_popescu punkman barney frank, of "i fuck little boys" fame, comes to mind [18:09]
mircea_popescu after all, he recently wrote a mega-piece of us trollery didn't he. [18:09]
mircea_popescu well, co-author. [18:09]
mats_cd03 i can't tell if you're trolling anymore [18:09]
mats_cd03 10/10 masterful execution m8 [18:09]
thestringpuller i need about tree fiddy [18:09]
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kolinko you wouldn't really need to trust them to handle funds, just for them to be unable to conspire with eachother [18:10]
RagnarDanneskjol better to go with british monarchy - at least you can find their parents if all goes to hell [18:10]
asciilifeform for them to be unable to conspire with eachother << what'll you do? search their rectums for radios, then build each into own oubliette ? [18:10]
mircea_popescu yeah, a system with charles and barney frank. [18:10]
mircea_popescu no this is starting to sound better and better. i hope they make a mars lander. [18:10]
mircea_popescu could that nut with virgin be part of it too ? he is a businessman, after a fashion. [18:11]
mircea_popescu he knows how to make a small fortune out of things, provided he has a large one to start with. [18:11]
kolinko it's not about creating a system that's impossible to cheat, it's about creating a system that's too hard to cheat [18:11]
jurov i'd vouch for assbot to be included [18:11]
jurov the most trusted bot in the WoT [18:12]
kolinko :) [18:12]
mircea_popescu kolinko you're so far making a system that's too hard not to laugh at. [18:12]
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mats_cd03 https://www.iacr.org/archive/crypto2001/21390001.pdf an oldie but still good. 'on the impossibility of obfuscating programs.' [18:13]
mircea_popescu los_pantalones let me guess, the situation is that calls you don't really know how to price and so don't really want to sell and puts you can price perfectly well and nobody can afford ? [18:13]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 nu-uh, there's ioncube! [18:13]
kolinko did you read a piece by Gavin on bit-thereum? http://gavintech.blogspot.com/2014/06/bit-thereum.html - he's arguing for a similar thing [18:14]
assbot GavinTech: Bit-thereum [18:14]
kolinko (a proof by authority: yay! ) [18:14]
mircea_popescu well gavin doesn't enjoy much of a reputation for a thinker around here, but let's see. [18:14]
mats_cd03 b-b-but, my brain work g-g-good... [18:15]
mod6 t-t-t-today Junior! [18:15]
mircea_popescu meh. guy's just jotting down random thoughts. they are pretty broken, but can't judge one on that. anyway. [18:16]
jurov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73UdOn2VunQ [18:16]
assbot SNAP! - World in my Hands - YouTube [18:17]
mircea_popescu anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. [18:17]
mircea_popescu doubt you read it, prolly exactly what you're looking for re the btcxe thing [18:17]
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mats_cd03 not to be a douchebag, or anything, kolinko, but i am reminded of this American serial Boardwalk Empire [18:19]
RagnarDanneskjol great book - here's pdf: http://nazbol.net/library/authors/Thomas%20Schelling/The%20Strategy%20of%20Conflict.pdf [18:19]
mats_cd03 main character, an old fuck named Nucky, says to a useless subordinate [18:19]
mats_cd03 'Shut the fuck up Donny, you're out of your element.' [18:19]
kolinko I totally am, that's why I came to you guys to talk and learn [18:20]
kolinko "Sucking at something is the first step to becoming sorta good at something" -- Jake The Dog [18:20]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol o hey nice, i had no idea it's floating around [18:21]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Drunk rating, he tripped the paranoia alarms [18:21]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 he has a point, look at all the great discussion he caused. [18:21]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well don't drunk rate eh. [18:21]
mats_cd03 oh wait... i think i'm referencing the wrong thing actually. seppeku. [18:22]
mircea_popescu thing is when you rate, you force everyone to evaluate things. some people precache, and do it on the spot, some others will do it over time. [18:22]
mircea_popescu consider the discussion with rithm re guruvan earlier. [18:22]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 sepukku. [18:22]
mircea_popescu can't even speal. [18:22]
mats_cd03 doh [18:22]
mod6 discussion is good, reading ~900 days of logs is probably a pre-requisite [18:23]
mircea_popescu i wonder how long that takes lol. [18:24]
mod6 lol. can't finish until you start :) [18:24]
mircea_popescu actually it's not even 900, only about 500 or so. logs start last year in spring. [18:25]
mod6 ah, ok. [18:25]
mircea_popescu the chan is old enough to have had nefario derping et all, but im not sure that's avail on website [18:25]
thestringpuller nefario: "I have this great idea guys. It's called GLBSE" [18:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27894 @ 0.00076811 = 21.4257 BTC [+] {2} [18:26]
thestringpuller "If you have any assets you want to list email me!" [18:26]
mircea_popescu ;;seen nefario [18:26]
gribble nefario was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 50 weeks, 1 day, 19 hours, 25 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: Those assets are not listed or traded anymore [18:26]
mircea_popescu !b 5 [18:26]
assbot Last 5 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3EJ7Z8Y.txt ) [18:26]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller brilliantly played, sir. [18:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.24645726 = 2.711 BTC [+] {3} [18:27]
mats_cd03 !s muppetlabs [18:27]
assbot 0 results for 'muppetlabs' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=muppetlabs [18:27]
mats_cd03 http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html and http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/txt/rsa.html worth a read [18:28]
assbot A Whirlwind Tutorial on Creating Really Teensy ELF Executables for Linux [18:28]
assbot Prime Number Hide-and-Seek: How the RSA Cipher Works [18:28]
mircea_popescu not bad, [18:28]
mircea_popescu dude i had forgotten what a nice ass penny ford has [18:29]
mircea_popescu well... had. [18:29]
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BingoBoingo k [18:31]
RagnarDanneskjol !up mats_cd03 [18:31]
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kolinko (what's the etiquette if I'm going afk? !down to assbot ? ) [18:32]
mircea_popescu nah [18:32]
mircea_popescu there's no etuiqueety, we're assholes. [18:32]
mats_cd03 penny ford, the negress? [18:32]
mircea_popescu mats_cd03 snap girl, jurov linked it earlier [18:32]
mats_cd03 good timing, now i feel like an asshole. [18:34]
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mats_cd03 for anyone interested in .mil films or trashcanistan, restrepo + korengal are excellent and worth watching [18:35]
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xmj moin [18:35]
xmj fluffypony: progress is going well, i suppose? [18:35]
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mircea_popescu !up dooglus [18:37]
-assbot- You voiced dooglus for 30 minutes. [18:37]
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mircea_popescu o look who's there. [18:37]
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fluffypony xmj: had to pause it to do other stuff, will pick it up again tomorrow [18:41]
fluffypony but at least it compiles and runs from github [18:41]
xmj that's good news! [18:42]
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ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> kolinko no. the system can break itself, too. it doesn't need a mustachioed antropomorphised enemy. /// glad to see you say so, it's a point often missed in many circumstances. for example, some want to paint USG as a hyper conspiracy and assume all its evil/scammy actions are fully intentional. More likely, it just evolved to be a broken shit in all corners of its [18:49]
ThickAsThieves house, nurturing powers like overgrown weeds that now appear to make up the whole lawn. [18:49]
mircea_popescu i thought that was my stated perspective all through. [18:49]
ThickAsThieves <+punkman> if only we had 14 spare MPs sitting around /// oh lord! [18:50]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves imagine if they also had tits. [18:50]
BingoBoingo http://science.slashdot.org/story/14/09/11/0041227/x-class-solar-flare-coming-friday << Time to practice your Em shielding [18:51]
assbot X-Class Solar Flare Coming Friday - Slashdot [18:51]
* jurov puts on his tinfoil hat [18:52]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> anyway, ThickAsThieves The Strategy of Conflict, old book. /// will check it out [18:52]
mircea_popescu fun fact : living in argentina confers a lot of immunity to flares :D [18:52]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [18:55]
gribble Current Blocks: 320167 | Current Difficulty: 2.7428630902257874E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 320543 | Next Difficulty In: 376 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 days, 11 hours, 45 minutes, and 41 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 29233824168.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.58142 [18:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.232 = 2.32 BTC [-] {2} [18:55]
ThickAsThieves does AM even pay divs anymore? [18:58]
asciilifeform obligatory: [18:58]
asciilifeform http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard06.php [18:58]
assbot Bastard Operator From Hell Official Archive [18:58]
asciilifeform 'I turn the page on the excuse sheet. "SOLAR FLARES" stares out at me. I'd better read up on that.' [18:58]
ThickAsThieves last div was in March, heh [18:58]
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xmj asciilifeform: BOFH excuse calendar fortune on terminal opening. [18:59]
xmj great fun. [18:59]
asciilifeform '"MAGNETS! Wrap your disks up in a pillow case with lots of magnets - Solar Flares hate that." "Wow! Thanks."' [18:59]
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xmj asciilifeform: fortune /usr/local/share/games/fortune/bofh [18:59]
xmj I dare you. [18:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40997627 BTC to 15`381 shares, 9167 satoshi per share [19:01]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 7.33692344 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 638 satoshi per share [19:02]
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mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/b3a3dd1cbcd669da88f90b82eb61f19f/tumblr_n115a1cQcW1t9sgudo1_500.jpg grain! [19:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sovpr0n ? [19:05]
asciilifeform (not the 'genuine article,' clearly, but in the spirit of 'ilsa, she-wolf of auschwitz' for germans) [19:06]
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ThickAsThieves http://brianmatthews60.blogspot.com/2014/03/ilsa-she-wolf-of-ss.html [19:09]
assbot Movie Ramble: Ilsa She Wolf of the SS. [19:09]
ThickAsThieves looks like some gnarly stuff [19:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 52 @ 0.25111536 = 13.058 BTC [+] {5} [19:10]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol i guess. [19:17]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves buncha sexploitations of the 70s, they're all pretty much the same thing. [19:17]
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mircea_popescu ;;google Blutjunge Verfuhrerinnen trilema [19:17]
gribble Februarie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Martie 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [19:17]
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mircea_popescu http://31.media.tumblr.com/d7b1e31efb1da4ad0a1d9d0e1d467c1d/tumblr_n0dessqa1c1rs2onlo1_1280.jpg new chlamydia cure. [19:26]
ThickAsThieves get this: "CM was described as a "virtual company” by LTC-Global (and accordingly referred to as such in the CM Business Plan). However, as a matter of English law, CM may be considered a general partnership. If that is the case, then the 'shareholders' of CM - which includes yourself - would all be considered partners. As partners, they would all be jointly and severally liable for [19:26]
ThickAsThieves CM's debts, including the 'Bond'. It is therefore possible that 'bondholders' may seek to take legal action against CM's 'shareholders', including yourself, to seek to recover that debt. However, if 'bondholders' accept the restructure plan proposed below, that risk might be mitigated." [19:26]
ThickAsThieves it continues to say shareholders get to vote on this move, (not bondholders) [19:26]
ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=286634.msg8732682#msg8732682 [19:27]
assbot [BTC-TC] CIPHERMINE.B1 - a virtual corporate bond with a 22% fixed-fiat APR [19:27]
mircea_popescu lmao [19:27]
mircea_popescu that torturous pseudolegal interpretation has exactly no grounds to stand on. [19:27]
mircea_popescu isn't this the "uk busineswoman" of great repute that i "viciously attacked" for "no good reason" last year ? [19:28]
mircea_popescu kate/craig wood ? [19:28]
ThickAsThieves yes [19:29]
ThickAsThieves owes me 150btc [19:29]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:29]
ThickAsThieves not that i expect to see it [19:29]
mircea_popescu http://38.media.tumblr.com/f9532aaee443a7620f0f02ebc6a82753/tumblr_myxfk7hFOJ1t47ykxo1_250.gif [19:29]
nubbins` lel [19:29]
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ThickAsThieves unsure whether legal pursuit would be worth it [19:30]
mircea_popescu maybe you could get his "woman of the year in buziness" trophy ? [19:30]
fluffypony probably more trouble than its worth [19:30]
ThickAsThieves she does seem to have assets [19:30]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea [19:30]
mircea_popescu or maybe the uk could be forced to pay for having swindled the general public with pointless "women too" bullshit ? [19:30]
ThickAsThieves i never intended to hold the bonds long term, it was just a risky trade. btct closed while in the process of selling em off... [19:31]
ThickAsThieves lessons [19:31]
mircea_popescu that's the way these "profits" go. [19:32]
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mircea_popescu herpy derp, make 1% ten times then lose it all on the 11th pass. [19:32]
ThickAsThieves something like that [19:32]
mircea_popescu but people generally don't want to believe asshole "single points of failure", because decentralized wisdom tells them "it works just fine" [19:32]
mircea_popescu lyf. [19:33]
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ThickAsThieves i wonder if more loss was caused by gov influence to shut down btc exchsnges, than if they remainded open [19:37]
mircea_popescu define loss. [19:37]
ThickAsThieves customers getting more bitcoins out [19:37]
ThickAsThieves as in if bf and btct werent shut down by USG, the lie may have played out to less loss [19:38]
ThickAsThieves i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems [19:39]
ThickAsThieves with no real gain [19:39]
ThickAsThieves all i'm saying is if BTCT didnt close i woulda sold them shits! [19:40]
ThickAsThieves and then the Bitfunder thing is still a total mystery [19:41]
punkman passing the bad doesn't make it disappear [19:41]
punkman *bag [19:41]
ThickAsThieves indeed [19:41]
kolinko quick question re: trusted data feeds. is the problem generally in the api/site potentially getting hacked, or the algorithm for a computation of one being suspectible to manipulation? what's the problem with deciding that the btc/usd price is an average of btc-e, bitstamp & kraken, each adjusted for volume? [19:41]
punkman kolinko: the problem is all three might misplace their decimal points [19:42]
ThickAsThieves it happens [19:43]
punkman btw [19:43]
ThickAsThieves you see glitched trade feeds in an exchange every few mos [19:43]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2301 = 0.6903 BTC [-] {2} [19:43]
punkman !search orisi [19:43]
assbot 3 results for 'orisi' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=orisi [19:43]
asciilifeform your isp also may succumb to temptation to nudge a decimal. [19:43]
punkman !search oracle [19:43]
assbot 86 results for 'oracle' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=oracle [19:43]
kolinko punkman:wow, cool, thx [19:43]
kolinko thick: but isn't that a matter of a better averaging algorithm construction? e.g. if one of the exchanges is far away, we're suspending the feed until situation resolves (would obviously need to be more elaborate) [19:45]
mike_c and what do you do when the biggest exchange goes apeshit and has a price that is 50% different than the others for weeks? [19:47]
mike_c oh, wait, this is what happenned [19:47]
punkman and the bot is still suspended [19:47]
ThickAsThieves it's worse now actually, [19:47]
ThickAsThieves any notable movement on any of the 4 or so top exchanges will cause movement on the rest [19:48]
ThickAsThieves so one glitch would indeed have implications [19:48]
kolinko a failsafe rule for removal that one exchange from the computation? [19:48]
ThickAsThieves what if its real? [19:48]
ThickAsThieves you gonna dictate the mkt now? [19:48]
kolinko or letting trusted humans solve the issue? or a requierement for both parties to figure out the agreement? [19:49]
ThickAsThieves people wanna do things like circuit-breakers, and curating the data somehow, it's all shit imo [19:50]
punkman kolinko, full circle back to OTC GPG contracts? [19:50]
kolinko arbitrage/human interventions work in the real world [19:50]
mircea_popescu i suppose itd just be redistribution of whatever actuall btc were in the systems << bingo. [19:50]
mircea_popescu idiots losing their btc ohldings is a net plus for society. [19:50]
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nubbins` depends who they lose em to [19:51]
ThickAsThieves well, youre welcome society, for my earlier transgressions! [19:51]
mircea_popescu kolinko> quick question re: trusted data feeds what's the problem with deciding that << you know what wash trading is ? [19:51]
xmj KODE_YETI: you around yet? [19:52]
kolinko mircea_popescu: will go and read about it [19:52]
thestringpuller mod6: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/25/showbiz/rapper-arrested/ [19:52]
mircea_popescu the problem of trust is a very long and sensitive chain. creating a 99% functional chain still doesn't create a functional chain. [19:52]
ThickAsThieves <+mircea_popescu> you know what wash trading is ? /// still happens quite obviously in btc exchanges [19:53]
mircea_popescu as to trusted humans, read up on fixing, as a pricing procedure. it's been explained in the logs a year ago, too [19:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves and even without the major incentive of gaming a large options operation [19:53]
ThickAsThieves the margin and futures scene is heating up tho [19:54]
mircea_popescu in all the bad ways. [19:54]
ThickAsThieves yep [19:54]
ThickAsThieves i watched these new chinese futures a lil and its basically being traded like btc, no real future sentiment at all [19:55]
kolinko ThickAsThieves: how is it heating up? where can I track news? (thx for answering all the basic questions) [19:55]
ThickAsThieves all the chinese exchanges are no-fee [19:55]
ThickAsThieves and now offering bonds [19:55]
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ThickAsThieves cmon now [19:55]
mircea_popescu myup. [19:56]
mircea_popescu but hey, why should i worry about that :D [19:56]
mircea_popescu we have hard currency, let them fail, what's the problem. [19:56]
nubbins` BUT IF THEY'RE NO-FEE.... [19:56]
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ThickAsThieves i wish you offered BTCUSD trading in some capacity [19:56]
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kolinko arent those exchanges for kids with pocket change and fools? [19:56]
nubbins` kolinko remove the word "those" [19:56]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves i won't without a submissive government, and then it'd be btc/that fiat. [19:57]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: usd is a 'tar baby' [19:57]
ThickAsThieves kolinko its hard to tell real exchange volume [19:57]
ThickAsThieves china def fakes/washes [19:57]
kolinko makes sense [19:58]
ThickAsThieves bfx has some kinda sneaky something going on [19:58]
ThickAsThieves often limit orders not filling [19:58]
mircea_popescu they imported the icbit software lol [19:58]
ThickAsThieves i do like bfx otherwise tho [19:58]
mircea_popescu well otherwise what's not to like. [19:59]
ThickAsThieves miles better than any other exchange [19:59]
mircea_popescu i like mcdonalds otherwise too :D [19:59]
ThickAsThieves hehe [19:59]
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ThickAsThieves i think part of the bfx shenanigans lie in how they display one decimal place for USD in orderbook, but allow orders to specify 2 places [20:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves anyway, if you manage to get through the hoops on davout's exchange you can practically trade the eur [20:01]
ThickAsThieves does it haz leverage? [20:02]
ThickAsThieves and liquidity [20:02]
nubbins` probably the wrong crowd around for this, but any interest in a 2012-funded 25btc casascius coin w/ pgp docs? [20:03]
ThickAsThieves interested, sure, just not interested in insane premiums it probably comes with [20:03]
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ThickAsThieves whats that go for these days? [20:04]
ThickAsThieves +$5k? [20:04]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves afaik there's a liquidity bot, and im sure you can get better leverage elsewhere. [20:04]
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mircea_popescu nubbins` it's not really over 100 btc is it ?! [20:05]
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nubbins` ? nooo [20:09]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves: a 25btc coin selling for 10btc? :0 [20:10]
punkman 10btc premium [20:10]
nubbins` oh, heh. [20:10]
nubbins` nah, around 28-30 would be more realistic [20:11]
mircea_popescu the 14k coin ? [20:11]
mircea_popescu not bad. [20:12]
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nubbins` i think it's just plated [20:12]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-03-2014#560583 [20:13]
assbot Logged on 14-03-2014 20:49:27; asciilifeform: turns out that the instrument i proposed for raping casascius coins is available commercially: [20:13]
ThickAsThieves those bars and coins are like the best btc investment ever [20:13]
mircea_popescu notrly, but anyway [20:14]
ThickAsThieves well, i think of the added force the impose to not sell your coins [20:14]
ThickAsThieves 100btc gold bars cost what originally? [20:14]
mircea_popescu s.mpoe was 2k satoshi originally., [20:15]
ThickAsThieves i guess AM maybe was best rise [20:15]
ThickAsThieves .1 to 5.6 [20:15]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema history best investments btc [20:15]
gribble The best investments in the history of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Why you can't invest with Cryptostocks pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: [20:15]
ThickAsThieves mah cookie is borked again [20:16]
nubbins` AM and casascius coins were both pretty yeasty investments [20:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.23013333 = 0.6904 BTC [+] {3} [20:16]
nubbins` cas coins, still going up [20:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 35 @ 0.20150114 = 7.0525 BTC [-] {4} [20:17]
mircea_popescu i suppose in the end one can count the poroductive btc investments on a hand [20:18]
mircea_popescu jd is in there too [20:18]
mircea_popescu i suppose satoshi dice too, in a marginal sorta sense "either you sold at a profit or held for no loss" sorta thing [20:18]
asciilifeform how are sd and jd more than simple chumpatronic pumps ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the investment side. [20:19]
asciilifeform aha [20:19]
mircea_popescu ie, you could bankroll them [20:19]
* asciilifeform never understood why these needed investment [20:19]
asciilifeform same as the ancient question 'why does god need a starship' [20:19]
mircea_popescu to cover for the risk of ruin. [20:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26578 @ 0.0007671 = 20.388 BTC [-] {2} [20:19]
ThickAsThieves xbond and nam's bond did ok in the end [20:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform suppose you run a casino, and i come and play with a dollar. [20:20]
mircea_popescu i keep betting all on black and winning [20:20]
asciilifeform chance of this, vs. asteroid ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu fifty two wins into my streak... what do you do ? [20:20]
mircea_popescu matters not. still gotta cover for the bets you make [20:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4272 @ 0.00076639 = 3.274 BTC [-] {2} [20:20]
nubbins` ^ [20:21]
ThickAsThieves mp is saying sell dat mpoe! [20:21]
asciilifeform what you do << 'what do you do when a shell lands in your trench? jump up twenty metres and scatter yourself around.' [20:21]
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ThickAsThieves http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/11/us-britain-boe-bitcoin-idUSKBN0H61ID20140911 funny i read the BoE thing and got a positive impression [20:22]
assbot Bank of England sees Bitcoin fraud risk, deflation danger| Reuters [20:22]
nubbins` ThickAsThieves: the edge you have to walk with casascius coins is btc value vs fiat value [20:23]
ThickAsThieves Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does [20:23]
nubbins` so far the market has been completely ignoring fluctuations in exchange rates [20:23]
ThickAsThieves says reuters [20:23]
ThickAsThieves "A significant risk to digital currencies' sustained use (is) that they will not be able to compete on cost without degenerating ... to a monopoly miner, thereby ... exposing them to risk of system-wide fraud," the BoE said. [20:24]
ThickAsThieves i wonder if they considered mapping thay logic to themselves [20:25]
ThickAsThieves that* [20:25]
nubbins` actually, i can't think of any other examples where the value of something in btc steadily increases over time [20:27]
nubbins` admittedly, no coffee yet [20:28]
TomServo I've wondered about this too - what are the arguments against guns, jewelry, land? [20:30]
TomServo art ;) [20:30]
BingoBoingo !t m s.wol [20:30]
assbot Some are born to endless night. [20:30]
TomServo Doh, I missed the 'in btc' part - for shame. [20:32]
ThickAsThieves any collectible is at the mercy of its popularity [20:33]
ThickAsThieves and scarcity [20:33]
ThickAsThieves when i was a kid, the elder generation thought baseball cards were good investments [20:33]
ThickAsThieves look at them now [20:33]
nubbins` beanie babies [20:34]
nubbins` magic cards [20:34]
ThickAsThieves they probly dont even keep up with inflation [20:35]
nubbins` lots of old coinage, too [20:35]
ThickAsThieves after a while, no one gives a shit about Bo jackson [20:35]
nubbins` bo knows! [20:35]
BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves: Fuck you, Bo Jackson is an exemplar. [20:36]
ThickAsThieves hey i was a big fan [20:36]
ThickAsThieves but yknow [20:36]
ThickAsThieves i still have all his cards somewhere i think [20:37]
ThickAsThieves one day! [20:37]
nubbins` found a box of old hockey cards a couple weeks ago [20:37]
ThickAsThieves i think i have a brett hull rookie [20:37]
nubbins` i've got bobby hull's autograph on a vuarnet t-shirt!! [20:38]
nubbins` ahaha, the 90s [20:38]
ThickAsThieves lol $9 card [20:38]
ThickAsThieves seems overpriced [20:38]
TomServo brett hull rookie is $9?! [20:38]
ThickAsThieves the one i have at least, i think, i forget all the opeechee topps variant stuff [20:39]
ThickAsThieves i just checked my mtgox account balance, 0.12504189! Score! [20:41]
nubbins` sweet, let's spend it on pizza! [20:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28947 @ 0.0007649 = 22.1416 BTC [-] {2} [20:43]
BingoBoingo The problem with Baseball cards was them emulated the utility of stamps too much, but without understanding why stamps got so expensive for the rarities [20:44]
BingoBoingo Stamps, mostly being a tool for money transmission [20:46]
ThickAsThieves blowstamps! [20:47]
BingoBoingo Seriously [20:47]
ThickAsThieves i started with stamps actually [20:47]
ThickAsThieves was in the stamp club [20:47]
ThickAsThieves and chess club [20:47]
BingoBoingo Stamps were basically pre-internet Bitcoin [20:47]
ThickAsThieves i was a real cool kid obv [20:47]
ThickAsThieves all i really remember about the scene was the famous inverted jenny [20:48]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.19710999 = 1.9711 BTC [-] {6} [21:10]
punkman http://www.coindesk.com/spain-cracks-bitcoin-gambling-loopholes/ [21:11]
assbot Spain Cracks Down on Bitcoin Gambling Loopholes [21:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.197 = 1.379 BTC [-] {3} [21:11]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.19702 = 0.9851 BTC [-] {2} [21:15]
punkman https://github.com/Coinffeine/coinffeine/wiki/Exchange-algorithm#protocol-overview [21:17]
assbot Exchange algorithm Coinffeine/coinffeine Wiki GitHub [21:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00076836 = 54.3999 BTC [+] {3} [21:17]
asciilifeform punkman: cribbed. [21:18]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-06-2014#738154 [21:18]
assbot Logged on 30-06-2014 05:21:05; asciilifeform: idea was, you send, e.g. some btc to addr A, in n parcels. low bits of the parcels encode, e.g. an ltc address. to which the corresponding amount of ltc is then sent. [21:18]
punkman this is for fiat/btc [21:19]
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punkman I don't see the purpose of their algorithm [21:19]
asciilifeform then uninteresting [21:19]
asciilifeform where in what blockchain can you stuff fiat. [21:20]
asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/09/judge-wont-release-surveillance-video-of-courthouse-cop-killing-defendant [21:22]
assbot Judge wont release surveillance video of courthouse cop killing defendant | Ars Technica [21:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1500 @ 0.00059611 = 0.8942 BTC [-] {6} [21:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.197 = 0.985 BTC [-] {2} [21:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.197 = 2.167 BTC [-] {2} [21:31]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: [22:07]
mircea_popescu Around 60 percent of Bitcoin trading is against the Chinese yuan, 32 percent is against the dollar and 3 percent against the euro, the BoE said. /// see what wahsing does << "we read something on a tripod homepage and now believe this is the world" [22:07]
mircea_popescu direct result of "i read it on wikipedia" [22:07]
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mircea_popescu "Citing security concerns, a Utah federal judge is refusing to release courthouse surveillance footage that captured a US marshal killing a defendant during a gang-related trial. [22:10]
mircea_popescu The tape's existence, first reported by The Salt Lake Tribune Wednesday, came to public light five months after federal authorities who watched the tape cleared the marshal of wronging. " [22:10]
mircea_popescu lmao security concerns indeed. "if anyone not working for the usg found out what we do in thhis here so called "courthouse" they'd prolly set us all on fire" [22:10]
mircea_popescu i suppose serbia should bomb the us now. [22:10]
asciilifeform serbia's mouth is a little too full of nato cock [22:11]
mircea_popescu what, i thought this is socialism. [22:12]
mircea_popescu aren't they all equal over there ? [22:12]
asciilifeform lol. [22:12]
mircea_popescu have i been lied to omg [22:12]
asciilifeform 'some more equal than others' (tm) [22:12]
mircea_popescu so serbia more equal than us right ? [22:13]
asciilifeform equality coming out of her ears. [22:13]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol there's really no need for all these emails. [22:14]
mircea_popescu say here if anything, if not not worth saying. [22:14]
RagnarDanneskjol sorry - it helps me keep track of things [22:15]
mircea_popescu yes, the log does. it helps me too, so. [22:15]
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RagnarDanneskjol can't attach candidate resumes to logs [22:15]
RagnarDanneskjol but ok [22:15]
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mircea_popescu i do it all the time. "he's x y z looking to k". not really that big a deal. [22:17]
mircea_popescu coupla lines should be enough, it's what anyone ever reads anyway. [22:17]
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RagnarDanneskjol mircea_popescu - to be clear, do you want me to dump all that unit testing data to the logs? or just leave it alone and hope it comes out right? [22:25]
mircea_popescu if it;s worth discussing it goes here. if it is not, it is not. [22:25]
mircea_popescu email is not a dump. [22:25]
mircea_popescu and if you use it like a dump in your general course of business, you're prolly fucking yourself over and not even realise it. [22:26]
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RagnarDanneskjol i only communicate that which is critical as concisely as possible. sorry, dont know any other hiring managers using irc, so [22:28]
mircea_popescu revolutionary huh ? [22:29]
mircea_popescu anyway. [22:29]
RagnarDanneskjol it just seems the unit tests for the bot would be considered flooding the channel [22:29]
mircea_popescu it's not nearly as bad as scary it seems. [22:29]
RagnarDanneskjol i'm all for it [22:29]
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BingoBoingo http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/11/emanuel_cleaver_molotov_cocktail_black_missouri_congressman_s_office_targeted.html [22:40]
assbot Emanuel Cleaver Molotov cocktail: Black Missouri congressman's office targeted. [22:40]
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FabianB aha, mpex fixed [23:24]
FabianB $mpexstatus [23:24]
empyex FabianB: Proxies: mpex.ws mpex.bz mpex.co mpex.biz mpex.coinbr.com Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91 [23:24]
empyex FabianB: MPEx-Status: mpex.ws (1079 milliseconds), mpex.bz (7600 milliseconds), mpex.co (976 milliseconds), mpex.biz (1001 milliseconds), mpex.coinbr.com (982 milliseconds) [23:24]
empyex FabianB: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √ [23:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00076452 = 8.295 BTC [-] {2} [23:36]
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