Forum logs for 11 Dec 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

ben_vulpes	fluffypony: you're in with the monetas crowd, right?	[00:00]
decimation	asciilifeform: what language would you use to model 'dataflow' processing?	[00:00]
asciilifeform	a language that i don't even care to discuss because it cannot be meaningfully executed on existing hardware.	[00:00]
asciilifeform	everyone i've ever spoken with on the subject ended up mentally mutilating it to fit his von neumman and synchronous cpu preconceptions.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	ideally, i would teach it only to those who had never programmed a computer previously.	[00:01]
asciilifeform	or are at least 'mostly virgin'	[00:02]
asciilifeform	as in, the mental equivalents of the membranes are still largely intact.	[00:02]
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decimation	I can see that. I imagine it would have ben something kinda like verilog with features that help you design asynchronous circuitry	[00:02]
asciilifeform	close.	[00:02]
asciilifeform	s-expression syntax, for reasons described in the 'brick' essay.	[00:02]
mircea_popescu	i wouldn't mind a car that runs on farts, if it were possible at home. << can you imagine hpow that'd go ? how it'd smell ? how uncomfortable the gas pipe'd get ?	[00:03]
asciilifeform	but even what i've said so far is hopelessly inaccurate.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i can't imagine a home chip fab would smell much better.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah but you wouldn't try to get head in it.	[00:03]
asciilifeform	ever smell even a humble laser cutter ?	[00:03]
asciilifeform	or an indoor space where it had been in use in the past week.	[00:03]
mircea_popescu	never been near one that wasn't ventilated.	[00:03]
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asciilifeform	even with powerful exhaust motor and chimney.	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	!up kdomanski	[00:04]
asciilifeform	there is always a little leak.	[00:04]
-assbot-	You voiced kdomanski for 30 minutes.	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	mostly virgin lol.	[00:04]
decimation	if there is anything this channel emphasizes, it seems to me that it is the downside of what appears to be 'the good'	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	as in, the downside of "the good stuff that can be had for cheap" ?	[00:06]
decimation	no one else writes about the downside of compilers as a technology (to my knowledge)	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	like... intellectually cheap "investing" ?	[00:06]
decimation	mircea_popescu: yeah roughly	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it's kinda what it is and kinda where it started.	[00:07]
decimation	I rolled over a pretty big retirement account into a fiat dollar broker	[00:07]
decimation	they gave me a 'free subscription' to 'investment training' - with seminars (not free!)	[00:07]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << i hate writing in bed.	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	decimation upsell all the way out of the well!	[00:08]
decimation	yeah exactly	[00:08]
*	asciilifeform finds that he thinks better horizontally (in all possible orientations) but has never come across a computer that he could actually put to use in that position.	[00:08]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I think you would need 'chorded handles' so you could lay your arms on the bed	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	undata that's pretty much google yeah. and also everyone else trying to copy them (fb etc)	[00:09]
asciilifeform	decimation: the display, in practice, is the hard part	[00:09]
decimation	what about mounting gizmo that extends from wall or whatever?	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	i think best walking. am not trying to get a walking computor tho	[00:09]
asciilifeform	decimation: lol, just no.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform every single room in this country has hardware, wrought iron tv supporter. i've not seen a tv yet standed on any surface.	[00:10]
undata	mircea_popescu: I prefer standing desks; pacing and thinking go well together	[00:10]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i think nearly as well when walking, and spent many years trying to construct something like a 'walking computer.'	[00:10]
asciilifeform	'standing desk' has come into fashion where i live.	[00:11]
asciilifeform	all the way to elaborate, $1k+ hydraulic lift desks with position memory.	[00:12]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: would have to give enough of a shit to fund, but not enough to attempt to direct. this will happen shortly after pigs fly. << incidentally, this is why the idle rich are so important irl.	[00:13]
decimation	also 'walking desk'	[00:13]
decimation	usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	all the bad things teh french revolution hated, like you know, lord X who owns property but "doesn't give anything back to society"	[00:14]
mircea_popescu	turns out... he's giving society breathing space.	[00:14]
undata	things like son-of-son of oculus rift or magic leap might provide walk-and-compute of some sort, but will be hopelessly tied to derptech	[00:14]
undata	facebook and google respectively	[00:14]
undata	both of which could be seen as parasitic destroyers of anything that smells remotely innovative in the US economy	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	i honestly do not wish to write either walking or laying down.	[00:15]
mircea_popescu	im happy thinking there, can write sitting later.	[00:15]
undata	programming tends to piss me off; pacing is the release valve	[00:15]
undata	at a previous job we even had a sand-filled punching bag for that	[00:16]
mircea_popescu	so i guess need more women in tech ?	[00:16]
undata	definitely, so they can file suit when the male programmers curse and throw things, which is only natural when you're up to your eyes in shit	[00:17]
undata	expressing anger having become socially unacceptable is one of the signs that the US is dead	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	more like frustration	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i've not yet seen an angry american.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	;;google "And I looked at him and my blood ran cold"	[00:19]
gribble	JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - A Boy Named Sue - A-Z Lyrics: ; A Boy Named Sue - Shel Silverstein (Lyrics and Chords): ; A BOY NAMED SUE - Lyrics - International Lyrics Playground:	[00:19]
*	undata is used to people thinking he's too angry, is probably even-keeled by rational standards	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	it's a fabled beast.	[00:19]
undata	mircea_popescu: naw I was raised by a proper cold-warrior; they exist	[00:20]
undata	two actually, if you count step-parents	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOHPuY88Ry4 << check out his pompadour lmao	[00:20]
assbot	Johnny Cash - A Boy Named Sue - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1x48ybL )	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: if rifles could only be produced in 12 places on the planet, most fighting would still be conducted with spears and axes. <<< there's a lot of depth to this observation. for instance :	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	consider that china had helicopter designs cca 500ad, it had known of gunpowder for 3k years by the time we finally heard of it and they were writing alchemy treatises before homer was even walking the earth.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	but it ~seems~ rational to centralize such things	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	and so they went nowhere.	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	just like the ottomans ended up "the sick man of europe" through a particular choice of centralisation	[00:23]
decimation	it is hard to convince the giant that allowing space for the midgets would be good for him	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	(they put a group of men in exclusive charge of battlefield rifle use)	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	the only great fortune of europe in the industrial age was that they copied the dutch approach (as the tulip mania was coming to a close, dutch courts simply refused to intervene in any capacity and "Fuck you!")	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise, had this been centrally planned, it'd have worked as well as that whore cixi's trains.	[00:24]
BingoBoingo	Perfect writing in bed implement exists already, pen + paper	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	why the fuck would i write on a platform that doesn't run grep o.O	[00:24]
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mircea_popescu	!up user	[00:25]
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decimation	https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/in-which-david-cote-has-decided-you-dont-care-about-how-youre-living-and-his-opinion-on-that-matters-for-some-reason/ << new kind of obamacare fascism	[00:26]
assbot	In which David Cote has decided you don’t care about how you’re living, and his opinion on that matters for some reason \| RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1x493T8 )	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: usg annihilated science to an extent no one ever, i suspect, thought of as possible. << lol not so. again the chinese lead. they burned the books 2x.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	and the pope did a lot better cca 7-900 ad too.	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	decimation i like that title.	[00:27]
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decimation	apparently obamacare 'allows' employers to give you a 'discount' off your 'insurance' premiums if you enroll in their hitlerjunge programes	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	lol. they copied that off japan.	[00:27]
decimation	yeah I like this guy's blog, he edits the mainstream media	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	i knew the moment the japanese started with that weird, and the us libtard class started paying attention, i knew this was coming.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	famously, ceausescu once visited kim in korea, came back with a cockfull of life and brand new ideas of how to perfect socialism.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	i guess this is the us' great eastern visit.	[00:28]
decimation	yeah that's an interesting way to put it. asians would generally place the 'good of the company ' in front of their dignity	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	https://rwcg.wordpress.com/2014/12/08/in-which-david-cote-has-decided-you-dont-care-about-how-youre-living-and-his-opinion-on-that-matters-for-some-reason/#comment-29999 << wonder what comes of that.	[00:30]
assbot	In which David Cote has decided you don’t care about how you’re living, and his opinion on that matters for some reason \| RWCG ... ( http://bit.ly/1x49pcs )	[00:30]
decimation	I think he is some kind of trader that works for a major firm	[00:31]
decimation	he had a whole thread about the london whale and associated retardation	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	sooo buenos aires has decided to set itself on fire because some local team won the local football cup.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	this is about 3x the mess they made over world cup stuff.	[00:35]
ben_vulpes	part of eternal quest for 'write in bed' machine << macbook air?	[00:38]
ben_vulpes	sounds like portland, mircea_popescu. irrelevant on the global scale but 'omg have you tried these donuts my brother makes?!'	[00:40]
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decimation	so I find these AI doomsayers highly amusing. most of them would laugh at a Christian's claim of revelation (knowledge which comes neither through induction nor deduction) but are more than happy to jump on board the eliezer yudkowsky tard train because "I know it is true"	[00:51]
undata	decimation: the "singularity" is precisely technobabble heaven	[00:52]
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undata	seems like the AI doom scenario is just the inverted singularity	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	!up aabtc	[00:54]
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decimation	!up badon	[00:54]
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mircea_popescu	decimation the magical mental needs of the feeble minded don't go away simply because they are surrounded by / live in a society based on more advanced thoughts.	[00:54]
decimation	right, but in this case the 'feeble minded' are also the supposed captains of technology/science	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	you can dress 'em whichever way you want, but in the end a monkey merely trained to recognise the letters is not a scholar, and just so these "modern" men and women are in fact quite primitive.	[00:55]
undata	heaven/hell myths are found everywhere	[00:55]
undata	probably crudely useful to imagine "best" and "worst" possible circumstances when you don't have many concepts to rub together	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, the traditional heaven (dude, it's like a really large field, we can camp and hike! and graze!)	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	seems to me pretty dang awful.	[00:56]
undata	mircea_popescu: yeah, we'll need a better heaven! heaven 3.0	[00:57]
undata	with sex-robots and teleportation	[00:57]
decimation	the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. I imagine it is a place where one can ask God wtf he was thinking	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	!s secret of turbulent flow	[00:59]
assbot	0 results for 'secret of turbulent flow' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=secret+of+turbulent+flow	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	psssh	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	!s secret of turbulence	[01:00]
assbot	0 results for 'secret of turbulence' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=secret+of+turbulence	[01:00]
*	undata wonders whether there aren't things resembling heaven, hell and the other very basic concepts rolling around in his subconscious	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-03-2014#567906	[01:00]
assbot	Logged on 19-03-2014 19:04:08; asciilifeform: and, finally, his moment arrived! von Kármán surrendered his orange ticket, took a deep breath, and said, "God, explain turbulence." Theodore von Kármán spent the rest of eternity burning in Hell.'	[01:00]
decimation	lol	[01:00]
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danielpbarron	10:55 <+decimation> the Bible is certainly unclear on the specifics. << seems pretty specific to me https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21%3A9-21&version=NKJV	[01:01]
assbot	Revelation 21:9-21 NKJV - The New Jerusalem - Then one of the - Bible Gateway ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRQBfd )	[01:01]
undata	I don't know how scientific the Jungian stuff is	[01:01]
undata	which is to say, not	[01:01]
undata	but maybe certain behaviors (like imagining a 'heaven' state) are instinctive	[01:02]
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undata	danielpbarron: strictly speaking, that's not heaven	[01:12]
undata	that's the new earth or whatever	[01:12]
danielpbarron	it's described as "the bride, the Lamb’s wife" and "the great city, the holy Jerusalem"	[01:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4942 @#64; 0.00067036 = 3.3129 BTC [-] {2}	[01:15]
undata	danielpbarron: right, god's supposed to drop that new city on jerusalem	[01:16]
undata	so not heaven, earth	[01:16]
undata	hm, actually the description is more munged together than that	[01:17]
danielpbarron	Jerusalem is God and God is the kingdom of heaven http://www.atruechurch.info/throne.html	[01:17]
assbot	A True Church - The Throne, Heaven, and the Kingdom Are God. ... ( http://bit.ly/1vRUPDB )	[01:18]
undata	And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.	[01:18]
undata	what does god have against the sea?	[01:18]
undata	anyhow that makes it sound like some kind of heaven on earth scenario	[01:19]
undata	gold walls and everything	[01:19]
danielpbarron	physical things exist in heaven; that is not an attribute limited to earthly things	[01:20]
undata	" Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.	[01:21]
undata	"	[01:21]
undata	curse you, paste gods	[01:22]
decimation	undata: but this is exactly the 'revelation' point I was making above	[01:22]
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undata	decimation: which?	[01:25]
undata	I agree that they're both the same flavor of magical thinking.	[01:26]
decimation	My point is that everyone has magical thinking	[01:26]
undata	ah yeah, then agreed doubly	[01:26]
undata	takes vigilance to do otherwise	[01:26]
decimation	I'm not sure it is humanly possibly, but I only have myself to speak for	[01:27]
undata	however, it might be adaptive to have a touch of it; would I keep working towards escaping the gravity well if I wasn't certain I can accomplish it?	[01:27]
undata	though that might not be too magical; I'm not asserting that it will happen, merely deciding to press on towards it	[01:28]
undata	it's hard to draw that line	[01:29]
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undata	decimation: I've wondered whether our capacity for creativity is exactly what tends to rot the brain	[01:30]
cazalla	anyone with an xbox account able to find out for me if microsoft is using bitpay or coinbase for this accept bitcoin news?	[01:30]
undata	decimation: from a certain perspective, imagining things that do not exist and creating them is delusion-fueled activity	[01:30]
decimation	undata: I think there is a 'yearning for meaning' inside of each human, and that generally drives them to choose a god of some kind	[01:31]
decimation	often themselves - self-appointment to what is god and what isn't	[01:32]
undata	decimation: yeah, some kind of "truth" accumulator	[01:32]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: macbook air << funny that you mention that machine, because i have the original model. it mostly gathers dust.	[01:34]
undata	asciilifeform: that's probably my next one after this wreck	[01:34]
undata	I had a retina macbook, total rubbish	[01:35]
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asciilifeform	usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing.	[01:35]
decimation	asciilifeform: and fearing the ai holocaust	[01:36]
thestringpuller	cazalla: it's not with a 3rd party	[01:36]
cazalla	thestringpuller, so they're taking it direct?	[01:36]
undata	decimation: veering into woo-woo territory, but in meditation I've often gotten the sense that the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk of what I am	[01:36]
undata	that there are drives, goals, whole projects somewhere lower-level that I'm barely conscious of	[01:36]
thestringpuller	cazalla: lemme see. i'll try to order something after I finish this thing for work.	[01:36]
cazalla	thestringpuller, thanks, no xbox or microsoft account here	[01:37]
asciilifeform	pen + paper << i end up doing a great bit of work with pen and paper, even though ink is not executable and my hands are in agony after ten minutes - simply because it works in places and positions where no computer	[01:37]
thestringpuller	hopefully I don't by xbox live or something in the process :P	[01:37]
decimation	undata: certainly if one accepts that God is external, one would have to consider what which comes from Him and that which does not.	[01:38]
cazalla	actually, misses has a hotmail, i'll go harass her	[01:38]
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asciilifeform	undata, ben_vulpes: aside from the titanic effort involved in using mac for serious work, that machine is far too large and heavy for the kind of bed computing contemplated earlier.	[01:39]
undata	decimation: I consider "god" a barely scrutable term	[01:40]
undata	if things bigger than skulls are conscious, I wouldn't be qualified to comment on them	[01:40]
asciilifeform	undata: the sense of "myself" in my head is a very small chunk << see the crackpot work 'society of mind' by marvin minsky.	[01:41]
asciilifeform	it was largely about this.	[01:41]
undata	asciilifeform: I'm more referring to things like, say you notice in the workplace that you have been for the last year in direct competition with another worker	[01:42]
undata	it seems the mind has plenty of processes running on autopilot which can be mindfully observed, but often aren't	[01:42]
asciilifeform	book was about this.	[01:42]
undata	asciilifeform: this sounds like the thing dennett has said about "pandemonium"	[01:42]
thestringpuller	cazalla: can I write up the scoop?	[01:43]
thestringpuller	mr. editor sir!	[01:43]
undata	asciilifeform: you've never found yourself doing things you never consciously chose to do?	[01:44]
undata	surely there are canonical examples of that happening with the opposite sex	[01:44]
cazalla	thestringpuller, sure, i was planning to do so but i checked out my missus account and there is no bitcoin option, maybe not for aus yet	[01:46]
cazalla	i'm not that familiar with it, does this let you buy credits or something thestringpuller ?	[01:47]
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cazalla	seems that is for xbox credit whatever the fuck that is	[01:47]
undata	asciilifeform: pretty sure this is the experiment I'm thinking of 40hz.net/david_2011.pdf	[01:48]
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undata	asciilifeform: the idea is that people can be shown to have made a decision before they are capable of reporting that decision to anyone	[01:52]
undata	this mental conversation I have about "yes, pick up the cup and have a sip" happens substantially later than the action to do so is already in motion	[01:53]
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mats	;;ticker	[01:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 349.5, Best ask: 351.43, Bid-ask spread: 1.93000, Last trade: 349.49, 24 hour volume: 10158.72216659, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 353.74, 24 hour vwap: 0	[01:56]
BingoBoingo	usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? presumably, not occupied with directing a megacorp?) rich still exist. they spend on coke and orbital flights with hookers, not rebuilding of computing. << The conversion of cocaine from productivity aide to party favor has probably been one of the msot damaging transitions of this last hundred years	[02:01]
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asciilifeform	undata: famous experiment.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	brings to mind whitehead's:	[02:12]
asciilifeform	'It is a profoundly erroneous truism, repeated by all copy-books and by eminent people when they are making speeches, that we should cultivate the habit of thinking of what we are doing. The precise opposite is the case. Civilization advances by extending the number of important operations which we can perform without thinking about them. Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle — they are strictly limited	[02:12]
asciilifeform	in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments.'	[02:12]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: idle rich << point was, there are still plenty of arbitrarily rich and arbitrarily idle folks. they simply happen to be retarded. afaik - 100% of them, rather than 99 or whatever the historic norm was.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	or not 100, but the epsilon remnant are 'idle' in the economic sense but fighting guerilla war of one kind or another and can't really afford cultural largesse	[02:15]
thestringpuller	Ryan X. Charles: "I discovered bitcoin on May 13, 2011 and never recovered. After developing a reputation as the bitcoin guy at the physics department, I eventually quit my physics PhD program and went full-time bitcoin. I worked for the best bitcoin company in the world, BitPay"	[02:15]
thestringpuller	he goes on to say: " If I had written bitcoin, it would have been in javascript."	[02:15]
thestringpuller	Like what the actual fuck?	[02:15]
asciilifeform	trololol	[02:15]
thestringpuller	You can't make this shit up.	[02:16]
thestringpuller	reddit's cyrptocurrency "engineer"	[02:16]
thestringpuller	if you can even call that engineering	[02:16]
thestringpuller	from: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ox7vi/bitcoin_technology_will_ultimately_become/	[02:16]
undata	underabundance of shame these days	[02:16]
undata	where is the embarassment	[02:16]
thestringpuller	d00d and people are eating it up!!!!	[02:17]
thestringpuller	"I wish Bitcoin was written in JS, I'd be able to understand it a bit better."	[02:17]
asciilifeform	it is a profound tragedy that these 'people' ever saw a computer.	[02:17]
asciilifeform	should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork.	[02:18]
undata	"Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. Node.js is a powerful tool for specific applications and you no longer need to know 2 languages if you go the full JS stack." << I call this single-step reasoning. It's everywhere.	[02:18]
asciilifeform	!s deskilling	[02:19]
assbot	2 results for 'deskilling' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=deskilling	[02:19]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: should not have had access to any technology more complex than pitchfork. << but isn't this how ignorant mobs form? as much as I like a pitchfork mob....	[02:19]
asciilifeform	point is, they should be breaking their backs for their daily bread.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	literally.	[02:19]
undata	I'd accept that given some decent mechanism for outliers to escape that circumstance.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	escapees - escape.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	even from russian prison. even from modern usa.	[02:20]
thestringpuller	well at least you can bribe the guards in a russian prison	[02:20]
thestringpuller	they seem more "reasonable"	[02:20]
asciilifeform	newton did not have to bribe any guards to escape from agriculture.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	but today he would probably be inextricably imprisoned in reddit or, worse, anglo academe.	[02:21]
thestringpuller	imprisoned in reddit how?	[02:21]
thestringpuller	you make it sound like Yishan Wong would kidnap him.	[02:21]
asciilifeform	psychological prison.	[02:22]
asciilifeform	the nearly escape-proof kind.	[02:22]
undata	don't know... my mother was single raising me for part of my early childhood	[02:22]
undata	sounds like a person headed for serfdom under this scenario	[02:22]
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thestringpuller	well someone who is going to exclaim nonsense about JS being useful to "understand code" should be stuffed in the bowels of some buildings as a serf	[02:23]
undata	being poor is enough	[02:23]
asciilifeform	other thing is, these people only exist as merely one symptom of a long series of catastrophes	[02:24]
asciilifeform	what is to be done with them is a question not for you and i, but, in all likelihood, for the chinese ministry of biodiesel	[02:24]
thestringpuller	this is why chinese people send their children to america	[02:25]
thestringpuller	"you won't make it in china, you too dumb, we send you to american high school come back as adult, bye bye"	[02:25]
asciilifeform	why did british nobles send their children to india?	[02:25]
thestringpuller	for meritwashing I presume?	[02:26]
asciilifeform	cheap fellatio, practice at management, breathing room	[02:27]
asciilifeform	well-documented.	[02:27]
thestringpuller	interesting.	[02:27]
thestringpuller	American Schools are easier to pass through for children of stricter education systems.	[02:27]
asciilifeform	(see also orwell's essay re: how the telegraph was the ultimate doom of british empire)	[02:28]
thestringpuller	The ones that brand you a fuck-up if you don't pass "the entrance exam" of which you only have on opportunity to pass.	[02:28]
undata	this serfdom thing doesn't sound any better than what the man behind the curtain has produced in the garden-variety american derp	[02:28]
asciilifeform	difference is that the agricultural serf is not a burden upon his betters.	[02:29]
undata	ah, that's the aim	[02:29]
asciilifeform	i will add that agricultural slavery is an optimistic scenario for the folks in question.	[02:29]
thestringpuller	Also American Derp is not hardworking, or truly values hardwork. The serf likely does (imo at least).	[02:29]
thestringpuller	They glorify antics from sitcoms such as "Workaholics" finding ways to be lazy but still get by.	[02:29]
asciilifeform	the more realistic fate is butugychag.	[02:30]
thestringpuller	What is that term, "Manboy/Manchild"?	[02:30]
asciilifeform	!s butugychag	[02:30]
assbot	8 results for 'butugychag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=butugychag	[02:30]
undata	thestringpuller: it's the experience of starting with nothing and struggling ahead that makes an adult	[02:30]
asciilifeform	soviet prison camp where uranium was mined.	[02:30]
undata	so, poverty, but not serfdom	[02:30]
asciilifeform	typical life expectancy: 3 mo.	[02:30]
thestringpuller	undata: but this isn't the only factor. unimpoverished children can still amount to hardworking individuals, just with different contexts.	[02:31]
thestringpuller	sure you don't sling crack to get lunch money, but you hustle in other scenarios	[02:31]
undata	thestringpuller: I'd think it wise to at least demo the poor life for them	[02:32]
thestringpuller	i.e. prince and the pauper?	[02:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @#64; 0.00064145 = 14.9137 BTC [+]	[02:32]
thestringpuller	or rather undercover billionaire?	[02:32]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: wow bleak: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butugichag#In_literature	[02:33]
thestringpuller	brutal: "Witnesses of the camp state that the camp took the life of some 380,000 people in the 10 years of its existence. Most notable about the camp is the fact that uranium mining was conducted here manually without any protective gear whatsoever. The average miner's life span lasted only months here"	[02:33]
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asciilifeform	this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks.	[02:34]
undata	thestringpuller: the pattern in my family (at least for the first male kid) has been to impress upon them the value and necessity of hard work, and then to drop them into the world to fend for themselves at the appropriate time	[02:34]
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asciilifeform	not for the crime of being dull, but for militant stupidity and the active poisoning of all that was ever good and bright.	[02:34]
thestringpuller	^- exactly!	[02:35]
thestringpuller	some derps actively take away from the well being of others	[02:35]
thestringpuller	almost like dropping the IQ of their peers by merely existing	[02:36]
asciilifeform	extermination is far too kind a fate for them.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	!s zoolag	[02:36]
assbot	8 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag	[02:36]
undata	I can't think of an instance in history where blunt instruments such as these were wielded effectively.	[02:36]
asciilifeform	nothing 'in history' ever really happens 'effectively'	[02:36]
asciilifeform	or with sharp instruments.	[02:37]
ben_vulpes	what is there to explain about turbulence?!	[02:37]
thestringpuller	XD	[02:37]
asciilifeform	!b 1	[02:37]
asciilifeform	!b 3	[02:37]
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mircea_popescu	usg has more-or-less 'sat' upon the idle rich << the 'idle' (what does this mean? << the early modern period had ample supply of this particular type. literally, idle.	[02:38]
ben_vulpes	at some scales and without some simplifying assumptions you just need a universe to model a universe!	[02:38]
ben_vulpes	what is so damn hard to grasp about this	[02:38]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-09-2014#846621	[02:39]
assbot	Logged on 27-09-2014 02:36:41; asciilifeform: 'If you're a defendant, you don't get to claim your fingerprints miraculously appeared at a crime scene... If you're a bookkeeper, you don't get to say money miraculously disappeared from your company...'	[02:39]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: in that spirit, e.g., a physicist -never- gets to utter the phrase 'you need a universe to model this'	[02:39]
asciilifeform	when he utters it, we are to understand that he is ready for the biodiesel retirement pot	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	You can't make this shit up. << word.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	but at least the derp dept moved from "blockchain technology" to "bitcoin technology".	[02:40]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: but you do, dammit	[02:40]
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ben_vulpes	and what about that portland lawyer whose fingerprints appeared miraculously at the scene?!	[02:41]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: it doesn't even matter if you do. if you're bothering to think about the subject, your job is to assume that the job is doable and try - forever	[02:41]
*	mircea_popescu waves at all the idiots reading here, imagining that http://trilema.com/2011/romanul-si-marea/ was never written, and one can just steal the octopus' suckers to put onhis own fingers.	[02:41]
assbot	Romanul si marea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1seSNh9 )	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	undata> "Javascript is actually in demand now for good reason. << "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" being the reason.	[02:42]
ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: that's one hell of an assumption, that the task is doable.	[02:42]
*	undata protests at where that quote was clipped!	[02:42]
undata	a quote of a quote I swear	[02:42]
ben_vulpes	"build me a space elevator from materials available today."	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	lol	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure its quoteness carries.	[02:43]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: understand correctly. actual 'impossibility proofs' - are valuable. (consider laws of thermodynamics; or, more fundamentally, mathematical concepts - e.g., irrationality of sqrt(2))	[02:43]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: but anything which merely appears impossibly difficult, rather than provable waste of time, is a matter for folks who think it worth trying	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	those of us who think it not, kindly invited to pleb elsewhere i gather.	[02:44]
asciilifeform	or, alternatively, attempt above proof	[02:44]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: "we are stupid but don't like to admit it" << this is good critera for sending derps off to asciilifeform derper's retirement camp.	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	i am but a mere engineer.	[02:44]
ben_vulpes	and a poor one at that.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why all this geographic arrangement. a bitcoin island, a derp camp...	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	can't they just stick to reddit, wikipedia et all ?	[02:45]
asciilifeform	retirement pot.	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	this is the correct use for the 'i dun wanna learn a second programming language' folks. << liek the ppl that want everything to be lisp ? :D	[02:46]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: the cancer must be excised and disposed. Although it may be in remission...	[02:46]
asciilifeform	!s lisp brick	[02:46]
assbot	1 results for 'lisp brick' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lisp+brick	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller eh let it excise itself. why should i do the work for people i don't even like.	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	beating the women i love is more work than i feel like as it is.	[02:47]
ben_vulpes	he loves!	[02:49]
ben_vulpes	my world is shaken	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	...	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	srsly ?! this is somehow a surprise !?	[02:49]
ben_vulpes	you're supposed to be a moster.	[02:49]
ben_vulpes	an unfeeling, joy-crushing monster.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	oh really ?	[02:50]
thestringpuller	MP doesn't like it when people have fun.	[02:50]
thestringpuller	He is a grumpy old man!	[02:50]
ben_vulpes	write everything in php!	[02:50]
asciilifeform	the concept of joyous, exuberant monster being too terrifying for the retirement pot candidates, naturally	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	sucks to be me i guess.	[02:50]
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ben_vulpes	asciilifeform: i am struck by thoughts of jabba	[02:51]
asciilifeform	mr mold's fnargl.	[02:51]
undata	ho ho ho	[02:51]
asciilifeform	and his thousand-year fnarg.	[02:51]
asciilifeform	;;google thousand year fnarg	[02:51]
gribble	Unruled: 06/01/2008 - 07/01/2008: ; Unqualified Reservations: May 2007: ; Doctor Who (series 5) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	this just took a turn for the weird - erryone discussing me in terms im unfamiliar with	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	STAHP	[02:52]
ben_vulpes	herr mircea cannot handle	[02:52]
ben_vulpes	bring in the social justice police, this society is out of hand	[02:52]
thestringpuller	troll level: professional	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	+ i accidentally sent asciilifeform's line about 2nd code and pots to some chick i'm talking with on the side. she's new and was just probing as to what's in principle required of new chicks.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	silence fell upon that land.	[02:54]
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BingoBoingo	!b 4	[02:54]
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fluffypony	ben_vulpes: monetas?	[03:53]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Your monero thing	[03:56]
fluffypony	oh, yes	[03:56]
mats	;;ticker	[03:56]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Expln in deets pls.	[03:56]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 357.59, Best ask: 357.6, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 357.6, 24 hour volume: 13375.89528924, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 363.99, 24 hour vwap: 0	[03:56]
fluffypony	sure, it's a cryptocurrency, not based on the Bitcoin source, no GUI at present	[03:57]
fluffypony	transactions are cryptographically untraceable and unlinkable	[03:57]
fluffypony	"mixing" is done on inputs for a tx only, based on denominations of ^10, and inputs are mixed with previously unspent inputs	[03:57]
fluffypony	via ring signatures (group signatures)	[03:58]
fluffypony	at the moment no minimum mixin level is enforced, so ostensibly an output in the utxoset can actually be spent at some point with a mixin of 0, and thus is actually spent	[03:58]
BingoBoingo	Eh, what's the differences. The interesting stuff? I'm fighting a generic winter illness and slowly realizing a bottle of cold medicine is supposed to contain multiple doses.	[03:58]
fluffypony	it depends on what your interest is	[03:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 4460 @#64; 0.0012 = 5.352 BTC {2}	[03:59]
fluffypony	if you're interested in the cryptography of it	[03:59]
fluffypony	or the software architecture we're building out	[03:59]
fluffypony	or whatever	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	What's tortilla's interest?	[03:59]
fluffypony	he's one of my fellow core team members	[04:00]
fluffypony	so his interest is intrinsic and complete :)	[04:00]
BingoBoingo	Oh that's right, you saw the castle	[04:01]
fluffypony	that was before Risto had any interest in Monero	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	I know	[04:02]
BingoBoingo	I just like the idea of castles, like mudkips	[04:02]
fluffypony	lol	[04:02]
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BingoBoingo	I mean castles are basically the motorola 68k of fortifications	[04:04]
fluffypony	well anyway, the cryptography interests me most of all, and there's some cool stuff we're doing	[04:05]
fluffypony	and some nice research on that side of things: https://lab.monero.cc	[04:05]
assbot	Monero Research Lab - Protecting Your Privacy's Future ... ( http://bit.ly/1GfK5Si )	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony so can one buy it ?	[04:05]
fluffypony	on that note, breakfast time, bbiab	[04:06]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yes	[04:06]
fluffypony	poloniex has the highest volume	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	what % of total monetarymass does 1 btc buy one ?	[04:06]
fluffypony	of the current number of coins?	[04:07]
fluffypony	oh you said total	[04:07]
fluffypony	we have infinite tail emission, the block reward value of which hasn't been set as yet	[04:07]
fluffypony	so there isn't a total	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	ah	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/9p0U3vVe << that poloniex thing looks trustworthy as all fuck o.O	[04:08]
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mircea_popescu	did they just lose their wallets 3x or something ?	[04:08]
BingoBoingo	Poloniex I always assumed was polonium	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony so from a purely business pov, why would i give this thing a 2nd thought ? what exactly can my 1 btc buy me and how ?	[04:09]
fluffypony	well the current price is 0.00109 to the BTC, and there are just over 5 mil coins at the moment	[04:10]
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fluffypony	from a business PoV it's unlikely to be a good investment unless you're happy to hold it for several years	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	yeah but it can get diluted infinitely.	[04:11]
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mircea_popescu	well no, so far i gather the contrary : i'm guaranteed to not see any mid or longm term return	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	it may make sense if i won't hold it overnight sorta thing	[04:11]
fluffypony	yup it's designed to be slightly inflationary not deflationary	[04:11]
BingoBoingo	No point in it unless there's a cap	[04:11]
fluffypony	so any growth comes from utility and not from a deflationary nature	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	but basically any growth won't come to me. so i won't build on it.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	and why would anyone else then ?	[04:12]
fluffypony	same reason people build on top of i2p or Tor	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	which we don't...	[04:14]
fluffypony	anyway breakfast for real noa, bbiab :)	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	If you are going to darknet what's wrong with old style turtle routing?	[04:14]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Maybe It's the robitussin, but without a hard cap on supply how do we break the "new" world	[04:18]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	nevertheless, it gotta somehow make business sense. and the problem is, if it doesn't make it for me it doesn't make it in general, because what exact particular assumptions got baked in ? nothing much. if there isn't a good answer to "so what's my btc buy me" other than handwave, there's probably no better answer to "what's your time buy you" other than, whatever, "playing a mmorpg".	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	nothing wrong with that, i just spent a coupla hours derping in eulora myself. jus as long as it's not coming as a surprise later.	[04:22]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile back at crazy shit ranch : "I am a twenty-year old sub living with my dom in Sask in a 24/7 D/s relationship. For the past two years I have been training as a sub and saving money for school. In the summer I will be relocating to Toronto for college in the fall. My Sir will find a Dom for me there with the hopes of finding me someone to stay with while I study. In exchange I will serve him as his slave for	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	the years I spend in Toronto."	[04:25]
mircea_popescu	canadian govt srsly has to do some liquidity injections o.O	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	I think pete_dushenski is out lobbyist up there	[04:29]
adlai	mircea_popescu: do you seriously think that selling "a few coins" into an altcoin will buy you more than a handwave?	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	i dun think i understand what you're asking here.	[04:31]
adlai	treating it as a whalerpg where you take turns playing bull and bear is another story	[04:31]
adlai	i'm just being scoffy at the prospect that an altcoin offers tangible benefits beyond, say, speculating on the coin's value without actually holding any	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	well, if your view is correct then all altcoins are essentialy the logo.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	i don't think he'd agree.	[04:32]
adlai	for a coin to offer more than just a speculation game, it needs to have some chance of outperforming btc	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	right.	[04:34]
adlai	for example, this monero thing... let's say the tech is remarkably successful, and as this becomes evident, the value grows TENFOLD	[04:34]
adlai	so we now have a 10mil market cap	[04:34]
adlai	and the amazing tech gets copied by btc	[04:35]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[04:35]
adlai	and then the guys who bagheld xmr through the great bear market of 2014 all take a group dump on the people who bought non-scarce goods	[04:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34729 @#64; 0.00068972 = 23.9533 BTC [+] {2}	[04:38]
adlai	anybody trading on mpex want to try scalpl?	[04:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7292 @#64; 0.00070292 = 5.1257 BTC [+]	[04:39]
*	adlai is curious how it'd fare on s.mpoe	[04:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35320 @#64; 0.00070426 = 24.8745 BTC [+] {2}	[04:40]
adlai	ok that's enough. next time i bring up scalpl not in response to somebody else, please !down me	[04:41]
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mircea_popescu	adlai that wasn't the most organised argument i ever read :p	[04:42]
adlai	which one, the one against long-term investments in altcoins?	[04:42]
adlai	it's hard to organize an argument against nobody. kinda like planning an invasion without a map.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	i dun think "invesing in altcoin" generally was being contemplated.	[04:44]
*	adlai must've misunderstood http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951036	[04:44]
assbot	Logged on 11-12-2014 07:19:05; mircea_popescu: fluffypony understand what i'm saying here. you seem cogent and together, you're working on this whatever thing i can't readily evaluate. i'd consider putting a few coins into it ; i can even ignore the involvement of whatever known derp on the theory that on the long term sterile works itself out of metal anyway so who cares.	[04:44]
adlai	if i were to specifically attack that, i'd start from the assumption that a cogent and together person necessarily occupies their time in an activity which lends itself to monetary investment	[04:45]
adlai	plenty of cogent and together people dedicate their time to charity, but it's not a terribly rewarding investment	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust assbot fluffypony	[04:47]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user fluffypony: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 8 via 8 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=fluffypony \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fluffypony \| Rated since: Sat Apr 6 08:20:32 2013	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	guy's been around for a while wut.	[04:47]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: could the airgap concept of the cardano be applied to storage?	[04:48]
thestringpuller	i know that's somewhat random...	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[04:49]
thestringpuller	i was thinking of the scenario of having to absolutely read an encrypted memo but only have a potentially compromised/malicious system available	[04:51]
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BingoBoingo	If a system is compromised it's compromised	[04:52]
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mircea_popescu	seems airgap means you're not touching some other system neh.	[04:54]
thestringpuller	or in the sense it is non-trivial to remove data from the device	[04:54]
thestringpuller	more in the sense*	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	how did the memo end up in there then.	[04:55]
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thestringpuller	so lets say the system in use is not a secure viewer, but a device is available (some mobile thingy of some sort), that is a secure viewer, but is unable to do heavy lifting. just reads from drive and displays it. so the use case I imagine is someone is sent important "please read now" encrypted memo to some dude who is boarding a flight. he uses one of the surely compromised internet cafe computers and his hand caradno to decr	[05:00]
mircea_popescu	it'd decript somethinmg you got off a pastebin for you, but obviously it can't guarantee the computer you're on won't read your memo too	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	just that it won't be able to steal your keys	[05:01]
thestringpuller	exactly, so I was envisioning a device that can i/o securely from output of cardano	[05:01]
thestringpuller	in the way key on cardano is nontrivial to remove	[05:01]
thestringpuller	same with data on this device that stores output from decryption	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	i dun see it.	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	I think you two are talking about different devices	[05:03]
thestringpuller	well i guess I'm thinking of combining cardano with 2nd device	[05:03]
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thestringpuller	place to store output	[05:03]
thestringpuller	for situations arising "in the field"	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	the storing isnot the problem. how'd you read it ?	[05:05]
punkman	thestringpuller wants a screen on the cardano	[05:05]
thestringpuller	That could be a solution!	[05:06]
thestringpuller	punkman has the right idea!	[05:06]
punkman	or a tiny laptop thingy	[05:06]
undata	there are many simple text-output LCDs	[05:06]
undata	however anything like that becomes another point to siphon data off the thing if you derp using it	[05:06]
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mircea_popescu	real programmers just sense the bits.	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	screens are for weaklings!	[05:07]
thestringpuller	that's another option have little magnets implanted in finger tips	[05:07]
thestringpuller	cardano has little interface	[05:07]
thestringpuller	why not just have plug directly into skull	[05:08]
punkman	you could make a tactile morse generator	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	or a dildo.	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	feel the morse.	[05:08]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman no notary still ? << good night's sleep and not busy today, shall make progress	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[05:16]
punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman: yeah and maybe indian/chinese guy watered field with sewage << actually good for it. << sewage is good for tea?	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	for the field.	[05:18]
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punkman	saw this recently, about making fertilizer from NY sewage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QV9x79_WYbk	[05:22]
assbot	You Don't Know Shit: VICE Reports (Full Length) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1sfbfWT )	[05:22]
punkman	not sure I'd want my tomatos fed on human shit	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	what do you think the earth is if not hardpacked, ancient sewage.	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	punkman: Fine baby the tomatoes, but what about the sweet corn	[05:26]
punkman	I mean humanure is fine, if you are in the wot	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[05:26]
punkman	but I don't want NY sewage	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	humanure, where humint goes to die.	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	humanure isn't a thing	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	It's night soil and it grows rice.	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	Ship it to the deep south.	[05:27]
BingoBoingo	Isn't that what the civil war was over?	[05:27]
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scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2014/12/microsoft-xbox-and-mobile-marketplace-now-accepts-bitcoin/	[05:32]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[05:45]
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BingoBoingo	Is the robitussin bottle really not supposed to be a single serving?	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:49]
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BingoBoingo	Fucking CYP2D6 again	[05:51]
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fluffypony	adlai: the problem is that the "amazing tech" can't easily be copied by BTC - although I'd agree fully on that being applicable to altcoins based off of the Bitcoin codebase. the problem isn't so much the code, it's that the stealth addresses + ring signatures are such a radical departure that Bitcoin would (obviously) have to hardfork to an address format that is completely different to their current one (since it requires 2x 256-bit	[06:06]
fluffypony	pubkeys) thus breaking compatibility with every existing application, and then enforce the standard for some time before the utxoset is sufficiently large to allow for a measurable level of privacy (see MRL-0001 on lab.monero.cc as to why this is true)	[06:06]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[06:06]
fluffypony	to get back to the previous convo, though - it isn't an "investment", nor has it been pitched as such	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony i dun think his idea is directly applicable (stolen by btc), but nevertheless, someone with a better business value proposition can just fork your code.	[06:07]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: that's like saying someone with a better business value proposition can just fork BTC	[06:08]
fluffypony	the network effect of BTC works against that	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	but only for btc.	[06:09]
fluffypony	maybe it's best to think of Monero as something like Freicoin - an experiment in creating something usable and useful	[06:09]
fluffypony	and if it fails it doesn't matter, we're not trying to build a business, we're advancing technology	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	so you are in the endsaying this is more of a hobby than serious.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	right.	[06:09]
adlai	fluffypony: blockstream is a for-profit company in order to steal your lunch	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	adlai i doubt it'd be his lunch.	[06:10]
adlai	it's a metaphor :)	[06:11]
mircea_popescu	guy pretty much said hedun expect to eat off it.	[06:11]
fluffypony	yeah	[06:11]
fluffypony	lol	[06:11]
adlai	i don't mean it in that sense, i mean that their goal is to make innovations in other chains accessible to the bitcoin asset	[06:12]
fluffypony	yes	[06:12]
adlai	and the "your" referred to all these projects, not just fluffypony	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	innovation is nonblocking.	[06:12]
fluffypony	but that also means that the altcoin is indelibly linked to Bitcoin's value	[06:12]
fluffypony	the economic hinge makes sidechaining unpalatable for us	[06:13]
fluffypony	but I do applaud the effort if it'll make shit like Jackpotcoin irrelevant	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin	[06:13]
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mircea_popescu	this is a fact and it's not going away except in fiction.	[06:13]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: I agree, but what I mean is that a sidechain can't have a direct USD market, for instance, it will always have to go via Bitcoin	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	perhaps. then again this may be a rather short term concern you see.	[06:14]
fluffypony	most altcoins are scams anyway	[06:14]
fluffypony	either outrightly or through blind ignorance	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	right.	[06:15]
fluffypony	oh cute, Bryce Weenie blocked me on Twitter	[06:17]
fluffypony	I guess he didn't like being called idiotic: https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/542109944901009408	[06:18]
assbot	Those derps… RT /BryceWeiner: /blockchain.info published private keys. http://t.co/B6tmulgmyY	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	trying to recall who that is.	[06:18]
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fluffypony	he's the guy that keeps getting "interviewed" by Seaman	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	oh i recall the derp. i think i told him off back when i was on twitter.	[06:19]
fluffypony	yeah, he keeps promoting shitcoins like Nautiluscoin	[06:19]
fluffypony	the one with the "stabilization fund"	[06:20]
fluffypony	which clearly didn't stabilise anything	[06:20]
mircea_popescu	well, neither did the various stabilisation funds irl lol.	[06:21]
fluffypony	lol	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: It is alright. The coinfire account on twitter blocked both myself and cazalla that one time we made a blog even though... Eventually we may want to hire their meat.	[06:22]
fluffypony	heh	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	anyway, /me waits patiently for fluffypony to be done with playing and start srs bzns.	[06:25]
fluffypony	lol	[06:26]
fluffypony	I've got stuff I'm building on the business side	[06:26]
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fluffypony	when I have something cool to show I will :)	[06:26]
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mircea_popescu	now /me waits patiently for the home videos of fluffyfamily.	[06:28]
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fluffypony	ooh la la	[06:29]
punkman	fluffypony: what happened to that prospectus	[06:31]
fluffypony	punkman: which one?	[06:31]
punkman	vaguely remember one when you first joined	[06:31]
fluffypony	oh yes - I decided to fund it myself	[06:32]
fluffypony	had a bit of a false start on one of the projects, shitty resources, so that's just picked up again as of a few weeks ago	[06:32]
punkman	what was it about?	[06:33]
fluffypony	that particular one is a payment processor	[06:33]
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fluffypony	omg it's rithm everyone hide	[06:34]
BingoBoingo	!up rithm	[06:36]
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BingoBoingo	rithm: Why does the fluffy mare fear you?	[06:36]
fluffypony	rithm: when are you changing back to jcpham?	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	lol fluffymare	[06:37]
fluffypony	lol	[06:37]
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BingoBoingo	fluffypony: How can we know you aren't the blond wife? Other than if that was the OH SHIT HUGE SPIDER, case certain people would be much more attentive to your equine needs	[06:39]
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fluffypony	BingoBoingo: because I'm in a bunch of videos under this nom de plume?	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: Like I am going to totally fire up the AIDS computer to follow every lead	[06:42]
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fluffypony	heh	[06:42]
mircea_popescu	lol HE'S REALLY MPOE-PR!11	[06:42]
fluffypony	lol	[06:42]
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fluffypony	hanbot is going to be pissed!	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	Or relieved	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	Carrying those tits can't come with zero cost	[06:44]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah, what part contradicts your tender youthful mind ? :D	[15:34]
nubbins`	what is mathematics if not perspective?	[15:35]
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mircea_popescu	ikr ?	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	nubbins`: way to argue the null case ;p << no but it was relevant in context.	[15:38]
nubbins`	well ya know. context is not relevant but from your perspective.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	the dispute (in typical redditesque retardom) was whether 7 is "less likely" or "more likely" to stad for a nsa-diddled ecdsa curve than 5976928769872976597967965769845 or w/e	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	as if.	[15:39]
nubbins`	oh, well in that case, sure	[15:39]
nubbins`	if we do a fast phone number transform on that second one	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	dude check out the poor entropy in kbd mashing. who knew!	[15:39]
nubbins`	it's going to be a much more number	[15:39]
nubbins`	the other one won't even get you a dialtone	[15:40]
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mircea_popescu	mats: 'Javascript is the languge of heaven. It is the right choice for every programming task.' << :D	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	this is so on point i swear.	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	"my cock is the right tool for everything! it can fuck things up, mess them up, screw up and everything else i normally do!"	[15:47]
mats	hey man, he's a cryptocurrency engineer	[15:48]
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mircea_popescu	right, because so much crypto work is being done in the least apt language for the purpose.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	i know whenever i have a large numbers problem i tend to fire up basic too!	[15:49]
mats	poor guy is gonna start here with a buncha criticism	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah well, fortifies the soul of the chosen	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	burns the sould of the unworthy with the fire of a thousand hells + 1 matchstick.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: so now you have to symlink it because half the shit expects "node" and the other half expects "nodejs" <<< bwahahaha you guise, stahp.	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	you can't be fucken serious.	[15:51]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951292 that shit made my ears spin. there's actually people walking the earth that put up with this shit ?	[15:56]
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mats	http://vim-adventures.com neat-o	[15:56]
assbot	VIM Adventures ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6wziC )	[15:56]
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thestringpuller	i like how mircea_popescu is more cheerful during the holidays	[16:01]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: for christmas I want my own harem!	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	oh it's a holiday ?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller trust me, it's like wanting your own tiger.	[16:01]
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thestringpuller	That sounds like a pro rather than a con.	[16:03]
nubbins`	spoken like a man who never read life of pi ;p	[16:03]
thestringpuller	oh nubbins` btw I have moar werk fer ya	[16:04]
thestringpuller	you terk mah old printers jerb	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller exactly my point. it sounds like a pro until the 250kg beast licks you.	[16:04]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951303 << nah not actually.	[16:06]
assbot	Logged on 11-12-2014 15:04:03; mats: afaik the cost of serious physics research runs well into nine digits	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	you can coax time on expensive machinery for very little money. what costs is the bezzle support, you know ? most of grant money goes back to university to "pay for" grad students etc.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	it's just a fictitious money shuffle.	[16:07]
asciilifeform	except when you can't get the time even for maxint.	[16:07]
asciilifeform	(see thread earlier)	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	in most times and places you actually do, in my experience.	[16:07]
thestringpuller	"pay for" grad students? given student loans...	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	i dunno how it goes in the us, but eu folks are more thna happy to oblige, and also because humans are generally lazy most machinery mostly sits idle	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller nono, pay the uni for their use.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	it's dementedly complicated.	[16:08]
thestringpuller	oic	[16:08]
thestringpuller	a lot of grad students don't use scholarships, but enrollment programs in exchange for being slaves to businesses	[16:09]
thestringpuller	give business 5 good years, and they pay tuition	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	right.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile business sells them out like common hos.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	for grant money the govt pays.	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	best racket ever, if princeton sold shares in itself it'd obliterate the apple.	[16:10]
thestringpuller	much more clear.	[16:10]
thestringpuller	hah princeton has so much money	[16:11]
thestringpuller	they pamper their students tho	[16:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @#64; 0.00064851 = 10.2465 BTC [+]	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	i guess. define pamper ?	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	6 pairs of perky tits chained to bedroom wall ?	[16:14]
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thestringpuller	that and students who like to have mental breakdowns, they have shrinks to talk you out of your alcoholism	[16:15]
thestringpuller	or what not	[16:15]
thestringpuller	instead of pamper as the word	[16:17]
thestringpuller	maybe "babysit"? essentially treating the children as children, much babysitting	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah well...	[16:18]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: nope, not kidding, it's a thing in Debian as well as Ubuntu - https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/4772 https://www.digitalocean.com/community/questions/ubuntu-repo-nodejs-require-symlink-to-node-to-use-forever etc.	[16:20]
assbot	Support for "nodejs" executable name · Issue #4772 · joyent/node · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6CcNL )	[16:20]
assbot	Ubuntu repo "nodejs" require symlink to "node" to use Forever? \| DigitalOcean ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6Cd4i )	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	bejesus.	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	why do people hate on php again ?	[16:20]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[16:21]
fluffypony	I don't disagree with their decision to call it "nodejs", I think the nodejs developers are the issue - htf do they call the binary "node" when clearly that's a word that may occur on the command-line, being common in computin' circles	[16:21]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 356.44, Best ask: 357.43, Bid-ask spread: 0.99000, Last trade: 357.43, 24 hour volume: 15867.32305096, 24 hour low: 339.8, 24 hour high: 364.43, 24 hour vwap: 353.010435555	[16:21]
thestringpuller	php is ugly	[16:21]
thestringpuller	but it works	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	anyway, my heart goes out to the poor souls stuck working knee deep in this crud because of their idiotic employer.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	no wonder they're so dissociated they claim to love it.	[16:21]
thestringpuller	i also don't like having to sanitize strings	[16:21]
thestringpuller	how kind of you mircea_popescu	[16:22]
thestringpuller	php is the only server side web tech i've found that integrates with gpg	[16:22]
thestringpuller	except maybe python running inside a tornado container (like coinbr)	[16:23]
fluffypony	django	[16:23]
fluffypony	:-P	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	perl	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	they all do don't they	[16:23]
thestringpuller	node.js gpg implementation is broken tho	[16:23]
thestringpuller	opengpg.js or whatever	[16:23]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: was there a S.NSA statement for November 2014?	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller nah, asciilifeform was late and then got sick so i gave him the benefit of the "once per year, report delayed for a month"	[16:30]
thestringpuller	so double report for December?	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform don't throw out your draft letters! will have to append to them!	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	yea.	[16:31]
thestringpuller	will any news be announced between now and then?	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	i dunno.	[16:32]
thestringpuller	it's cool, just on edge of seat wanting to buy cardano :P	[16:33]
thestringpuller	shut_up_and_take_my_coin.jpg	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	hey, you're not the only one.	[16:33]
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mircea_popescu	lettuce poke stan!	[16:33]
Namworld	Campaign is over by the way	[16:33]
Namworld	619 website clicks	[16:33]
Namworld	Claimed by FB	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	Namworld can you send me a ss or something ? i wanna make an article of it.	[16:34]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: at least you are managing demand, reminds me of Tesla having a 15000 car wait list, while producing ~5000 cars a year. Won't have to worry about new customers off the blocks.	[16:34]
mats	http://america.aljazeera.com/watch.html	[16:40]
assbot	Video \| Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1x6GEvS )	[16:40]
mats	i find myself agreeing with john brennan.	[16:40]
thestringpuller	!t m d.cbse	[16:41]
assbot	[MPEX:D.CBSE] 1D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (2 shares, 0.24 BTC), 7D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (12 shares, 1.43 BTC), 30D: 0.1195 / 0.1195 / 0.1195 (36 shares, 4.30 BTC)	[16:41]
mats	o wait, talking head is just a former station chief	[16:44]
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thestringpuller	wow coinbase is being valued at 1/10th of it's value	[16:44]
thestringpuller	of it's "wall street value"	[16:45]
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adlai	none of the derps have been consummated yet, right?	[16:45]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/b/pl/2Rbf8Sth/link-removal.png	[16:45]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1AlPD9U )	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	what's consummatred mean	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller how do you figure ?	[16:45]
adlai	contract finished, delisted, paid out if appropriate, etc	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	a no.	[16:46]
thestringpuller	mpex investors are valuing d.cbse market cap at 116k btc which is like 40mn bezzles	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lol who is this ?	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you accounting for their recent dillution ?	[16:47]
kakobrekla	replied with a link to http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951464	[16:47]
assbot	Logged on 11-12-2014 19:42:38; kakobrekla: http://shrani.si/f/b/pl/2Rbf8Sth/link-removal.png	[16:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31250 @#64; 0.00064886 = 20.2769 BTC [+] {2}	[16:47]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what dilution? the additional vc?	[16:47]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-03-2014#569594	[16:47]
assbot	Logged on 20-03-2014 04:33:07; mircea_popescu: http://www.corporatetravelsafety.com/catalog/high-security-portable-briefcase-safe-p-959.html	[16:47]
kakobrekla	your shit.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	well yes ?	[16:47]
kakobrekla	wha?	[16:47]
fluffypony	why would you remove the link	[16:47]
kakobrekla	who said i will?	[16:47]
fluffypony	no no I know	[16:47]
fluffypony	but I mean	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i was answering thestringpuller	[16:48]
fluffypony	I don't understand the point of their email	[16:48]
fluffypony	backlinks are good	[16:48]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony they wish to be important.	[16:48]
kakobrekla	ah	[16:48]
kakobrekla	as far as i know merica has invaded somalia and now we have freedam of spick here so he can fuck off	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	i guess the issue is, their page is now 404 and they don't want you linkign to a 404 page	[16:49]
kakobrekla	oh it is?	[16:49]
kakobrekla	i havent bothered to click	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	fuck them for having 404 pages in the first place, they should fix both their website and the broken process which resulted in this being a problem in the first place.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller "Should Coinbase make dilutive issuances after July 8, 2014, D.CBSE will be diluted proportionally."	[16:50]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: yes from the contract, but what would invoke this clause?	[16:52]
mike_c	kakobrekla: someone told me recently I should hire slovenians to build a mobile app for me. do you know anyone in that industry in your neck of the woods?	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller didnt they recently get moar investment ?	[17:01]
thestringpuller	that acts as dilution?	[17:01]
mike_c	they haven't raised since a year ago. rumor mill says they are out raising again now.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well it means more shares which means more mkt cap right ?	[17:02]
Namworld	Ah, yeah, let me check	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	mike_c i thought they just had ? or was that bitpay.	[17:02]
mike_c	http://www.crunchbase.com/organization/coinbase << last was dec 2013	[17:02]
assbot	Coinbase \| CrunchBase ... ( http://bit.ly/1AlUg3L )	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[17:02]
kakobrekla	lol mike_c all you got is they should be slovenians and thats that?	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller i dun see where the 1/10 comes from then ?	[17:04]
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kakobrekla	you know we are actually in europe, not india	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	lies	[17:05]
mike_c	you're next to madagascar or something, right? (kidding..)	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	!up ansc	[17:05]
-assbot-	You voiced ansc for 30 minutes.	[17:05]
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ansc	!up	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	ello ansc. who're you ?	[17:05]
ansc	hi. i am just a simple redditard. regular reader and fan of trilema though.	[17:06]
mike_c	what I heard was that there were a bunch of reliable firms in eastern europe, with ukraine and slovenia being mentioned explicitly. and ukraine seems risky choice these days.	[17:06]
ansc	i am here to ask a small favour	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	lol welcome then.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	ask away.	[17:07]
mike_c	I thought you might know some people in your irl wot from the area.	[17:07]
ansc	mp you once wrote 'thee is only one thing that matters today: bitcoin' or something similar	[17:08]
ansc	which is, as everything you write, a very true if somewhat hyperbolic assessment of the present state of the union.	[17:09]
kakobrekla	mike_c ill ask see what comes up.	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	aha ?	[17:10]
mike_c	thx	[17:10]
Namworld	Report by age group, not sure if you wanted something else: http://i.imgur.com/fuh9f9v.png	[17:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1vVTQ5f )	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	Namworld i have no idea how their stats look, so this is as good as anything.	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	tyvm for indulging me.	[17:10]
Namworld	There's an infinite number of stats and types of reports and what not.	[17:10]
ansc	could you pls elaborate a little on that thought?	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	okay.	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	take this discussion : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-12-2014#951164	[17:12]
assbot	Logged on 11-12-2014 09:10:20; mircea_popescu: fluffypony all future coin, of any type, and more generally all future human industry of all types is indelibly linked to bitcoin	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	the subiacent point there, perhaps unapparent, is that every human construct fundamentally relies on truth to be recognisable as such.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	things that are completely independent are by that very fact also completely hermetic. like the ravings of the insane.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	now, bitcoin happens to have a priviledged relationship with truth	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	and for this reason, it will necessarily enjoy a priviledged relationship with all things of import.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	except, of course, fiction in those parts where it's hermetic, and otherwise insanity.	[17:14]
ansc	that is all fine and such. anything that human beings not destined for freedom could relate to? (referring to one of your latest blog posts)	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	reference's lost on me lol, but hm. what do you mean relate ?	[17:16]
ansc	frankly, my fellow subhumans would not remotely be able to indulge in your previously published comments.	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	like, say, the price of oil bends your future irrespective of who you are. do you call this relating to oil ?	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	whether you know or not how exactly, gravity still works.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	we don't really happen to know atm how the fuck.	[17:16]
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ansc	mp you recently wrote about the two kinds of ppl: freedom attaining and not. on trilema.	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	link ?	[17:26]
ansc	struck me as a fundamental truthy	[17:26]
ansc	looked but didn't find. it was your thought anyway LOL	[17:26]
ansc	explains a lot about our 'democracy' and such	[17:27]
ansc	struck me as a genius insight	[17:27]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[17:27]
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rithm	mircea_popescu such genius, super genius actually	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	super super.	[17:30]
rithm	that's gotta be mensa >9000	[17:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13036 @#64; 0.00064584 = 8.4192 BTC [-] {2}	[17:31]
ansc	well flattering here and there.. that's not the point.	[17:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23264 @#64; 0.00062572 = 14.5568 BTC [-] {2}	[17:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 11665 @#64; 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC	[17:32]
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TomServo	!up ansc	[17:36]
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TomServo	ansc: What is the point?	[17:36]
fluffypony	rithm: I herd it waz eyensteyen level	[17:38]
rithm	fluffypony talk dirty black holes to me	[17:38]
ansc	in our current system, one man one vote, how can we ever escape communism, other than by a collapse of the currency?	[17:39]
fluffypony	rithm: a black labrador wipes it's bum on a dirty patch of grass	[17:39]
rithm	ahhh wormholes	[17:39]
ansc	fluffypony: its	[17:40]
mircea_popescu	ansc communism is in teh head :D	[17:40]
fluffypony	ansc: it was a dirty sentence	[17:40]
rithm	i'd agree communism is a social construct and a matter or perception, sure	[17:40]
ansc	right	[17:40]
rithm	*of	[17:40]
ansc	i am so scared bc i don't see a peaceful exit from the current communist idiotic system	[17:41]
kakobrekla	>The Pirate Bay goes offline after police raid server room	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	the peaceful exists are the monopoly of they willing to travel.	[17:41]
kakobrekla	here we go again	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	i kinda enjoyed their taunting letters up until 2010 or w/e.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	great mine canary that. you knew that once that ended, there shall be war.	[17:42]
ansc	ok but travel where to? how is argentina in that respect e.g.?	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	argentina is amusing. it has a very socialist-populist government that is very inept, and a large population hell bent on ignoring it	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	and everything that to you might pass for business sense.	[17:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @#64; 0.00063823 = 18.5087 BTC [+]	[17:46]
ansc	but it shows that the common man is willing to ebdure idiocy on a vast timescale that exceeds our patience by orders of magnitude	[17:46]
rithm	i like boobies tho	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	what's "the common man" care about these things.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to get an idea of this crazy : every time you go into a shop of any kind, you have a 50-50 chance for the sales person to try to provide what you're asking for OR to try and convince you not to buy anything.	[17:47]
ansc	well if idiocy prevails, there is no hope for mankind. does the common man not shape history?	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	because they can't be arsed to stand up, get off the phone, think about it...	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	the common man shapes his boogers.	[17:48]
ansc	haha ok righto	[17:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @#64; 0.00062252 = 4.4199 BTC [-]	[17:50]
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asciilifeform	;;isup thepiratebay.cr	[17:55]
gribble	thepiratebay.cr is up	[17:55]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: wat	[17:55]
kakobrekla	nfi	[17:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AMHASH3] 907 @#64; 0.0012 = 1.0884 BTC	[17:58]
kakobrekla	i guess im ignorant like that.	[17:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8536 @#64; 0.00062252 = 5.3138 BTC [-]	[18:03]
asciilifeform	to try and convince you not to buy anything << why?!	[18:05]
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mircea_popescu	!scoop	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	.scoop	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	.scoop trilema.com	[18:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 92900 @#64; 0.00061581 = 57.2087 BTC [-] {2}	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	hm how did that go.	[18:14]
TomServo	scoopbot -fetch	[18:14]
TomServo	i think?	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	scoopbot -fetch trilema.com	[18:15]
TomServo	sans trilema.com, or pm -fetch	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	scoopbot -fetch	[18:16]
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TomServo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2014#949159	[18:16]
assbot	Logged on 09-12-2014 04:47:20; PeterL: now you should be able to say: scoopbot -fetch and he will get the scoop	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	scam!	[18:17]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-30431988	[18:29]
assbot	BBC News - Man charged in London 'slavery' inquiry ... ( http://bit.ly/1whn66n )	[18:30]
scoopbot	New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2014/hello-everyone-im-facebook-martin-and-this-is-the-racquetball-trick/	[18:33]
adlai	holy fuck. bitfinex are not just derpier than imagined, they're derpier than it is possible to imagine	[18:36]
kakobrekla	what now?	[18:38]
adlai	their API fails to verify messages 240 characters and longer	[18:38]
kakobrekla	maybe you are talking to twitter?	[18:38]
adlai	maybe i need to throw their endpoint servers through a plate glass window	[18:41]
kakobrekla	are you trying to hook up scalpl to that ?	[18:42]
adlai	scalpl already talks to bitfinex, but i hadn't tried placing hidden orders before	[18:43]
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adlai	but ""is_hidden":true," pushes the length of SOME messages over 240 characters	[18:44]
adlai	so some orders got placed. some didn't. teeth were gnashed.	[18:44]
*	adlai thinks back to when he first connected scalpl to bitfinex, and found that "signature = HMAC-SHA384(payload, api-secret) as hexadecimal" apparently also means to zero pad it to 96 bytes	[18:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15750 @#64; 0.00063885 = 10.0619 BTC [+] {2}	[18:48]
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fluffypony	mircea_popescu: Amazon item Q&A that you'll enjoy - http://i.imgur.com/wTBNy5F.jpg	[19:04]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1x79EDL )	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[19:40]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: (article) 'But this is no sort of economic activity, it's just an elaborate waste, of everything. The participants could all be dead for all it'd matter to anyone...' << obligatory >> http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2011/07/dead-souls.html	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	something like that yea	[19:44]
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danielpbarron	!up ryanxcharles	[19:46]
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mircea_popescu	!isup namecheap.com/	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	;;isup namecheap.com	[19:47]
gribble	namecheap.com is up	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	like hell it is.	[19:47]
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kakobrekla	up here	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	199.59.161.100 ?	[19:48]
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kakobrekla	yup	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	nm finally.	[19:48]
ryanxcharles	hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	"personally" ?	[19:50]
ryanxcharles	this is why javascript is the best programming language for any task	[19:50]
kakobrekla	asciilifeform someone is writing graffiti on ba walls	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	;;isup https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/index.asp	[19:53]
gribble	https://manage.www.namecheap.com/myaccount/index.asp is up	[19:53]
assbot	Login Signup	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	not here. and who the fuck came up with that url scheme i wish to know.	[19:53]
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BingoBoingo	hey friends, just a comment re: javascript... personally, i think all variables should be global, and all numbers should be floating points << Am I still tripping?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	"and all coders should be tripping"	[20:00]
mats	we are all tripping	[20:00]
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mircea_popescu	!up	[21:55]
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mircea_popescu	anyone want oyvey.in ?	[21:59]
mircea_popescu	;;ud dfw	[22:04]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=dfw \| dfw. Down For Whatever ... as in... I totally want to hang with you and I am interested in doing anything cool. Emphasis on being psyched to chill and hang out.	[22:04]
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mthreat	;;ud dtf	[22:13]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=DTF \| DOWN TO GET THAT DICK DTFNE1 down to fuck any 1. She's DTF, She wants my dick in or around her mouth! - SuperBad. by KENDALL L January 01, 2008.	[22:13]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[22:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 20737 @#64; 0.00037405 = 7.7567 BTC [-] {5}	[22:14]
BingoBoingo	http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/GamerGate-Anti-Bullying-Campaign-cost-Gawker-over-a-Million-Dollars	[22:16]
assbot	#GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDTr8j )	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[22:16]
BingoBoingo	Oh noes Sony was the reddit police all along http://time.com/3629768/sony-hack-hackers/	[22:17]
assbot	Sony Is Disrupting Downloads of its Hacked Files ... ( http://bit.ly/1zDTMb2 )	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[22:18]
mircea_popescu	this has got to be the most pathetic thing ever.	[22:18]
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asciilifeform	SOP actually	[22:19]
asciilifeform	there are entire firms who specialize in 'legit' ddos	[22:19]
BingoBoingo	Sony's prolly going to get party vanned for using LOIC	[22:20]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'Quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi'	[22:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84500 @#64; 0.00060333 = 50.9814 BTC [+] {4}	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah ? i wanna see this sony license.	[22:22]
BingoBoingo	Jupiter is going to be pissed he was just compared to Sony	[22:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20113 @#64; 0.00061707 = 12.4111 BTC [+]	[22:27]
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mats	https://whispersystems.org/blog/advanced-ratcheting/	[22:31]
assbot	Open WhisperSystems >> Blog >> Advanced cryptographic ratcheting ... ( http://bit.ly/1yFaKCf )	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	interesting.	[22:33]
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mircea_popescu	now my hdd is getting raped at the rate of 1mb of nonsense/minute	[22:55]
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mats	http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/11/GamerGate-Anti-Bullying-Campaign-cost-Gawker-over-a-Million-Dollars	[23:02]
assbot	#GamerGate Anti-Bullying Campaign cost Gawker over a Million Dollars ... ( http://bit.ly/1x7OlBO )	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	yeah was here before.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	apparently the libtards lose again.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	somehow asciilifeform still believes they're running things tho :D	[23:03]
mats	we all got fringe opinions	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	hehe i guess we do yeah.	[23:06]
scoopbot	New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2014/12/additional-information-on-a-normal-man-aka-john-d-powell/	[23:06]
cazalla	http://sharethezing.blogspot.com is the guy's blog where he writes about his wife and his decision to swing which resulted in her fucking and him watching	[23:07]
assbot	Share The Zing ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWnzds )	[23:07]
mats	i've read about this phenomenon in here...	[23:08]
cazalla	so basically, his wife fucked him, mtgox fucked him and then big daddy USG came and fucked him one last time for good measure	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	http://www.literotica.com/s/3-days-of-watching-my-wife-fuck etc	[23:09]
assbot	3 Days of Watching my Wife Fuck - Loving Wives - Literotica.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1zWnPsV )	[23:09]
cazalla	mats, yeah, lots of it on trilema along with tyrone fantasies	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	so what of it ?	[23:09]
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cazalla	mircea_popescu, those stories are more for women than men?	[23:10]
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cazalla	i might be inclined to read a story/book after the act, but not before	[23:10]
mircea_popescu	how do you mean ?	[23:10]
cazalla	in that romance novels are more of a thing for women	[23:11]
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mircea_popescu	mebbe so.	[23:11]
*	xanthyos is cloaked :)	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	i tihnk the guy gave up.	[23:12]
cazalla	xanthyos, dagger still broken?	[23:12]
xanthyos	work in progress	[23:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36350 @#64; 0.0005966 = 21.6864 BTC [-] {3}	[23:12]
mats	what a depressing blog	[23:14]
cazalla	mats, prob why he took a plea, just ready to lay down and die	[23:17]
mats	hes finally ready to meet a nice man	[23:17]
mats	i'm getting a 502 on qntra	[23:19]
cazalla	ddos might be back, was loading slow for me earlier	[23:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @#64; 0.00059548 = 22.8962 BTC [-] {2}	[23:44]
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