Forum logs for 10 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
decimation ben_vulpes: did you solve your osx emacs woes? [00:04]
decimation the macports 'emacs-app' works fine for me [00:04]
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decimation asciilifeform: http://www.coreboot.org/Supported_Motherboards < note the complete lack of modern intel xeons on the 'supported' list [00:09]
assbot Supported Motherboards - coreboot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbjsbB ) [00:09]
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ben_vulpes http://www.kalzumeus.com/2015/03/09/announcing-starfighter/ << on the topic of "no quality engineers" [00:17]
assbot Announcing Starfighter | Kalzumeus Software ... ( http://bit.ly/1AbkJ2C ) [00:17]
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danielpbarron i guess it wasn't bitcoind that caused the power cycle; just happened again just now and it wasn't running.. [00:17]
mircea_popescu so perhaps it was -that- rappoport << seems entirely plausible [00:20]
decimation ben_vulpes: lol, maybe we can 'seo' the brains of prospective hires [00:22]
mircea_popescu i knew that church idiot wasn't the only cockroach in the kitchen [00:24]
mircea_popescu i suppose this is going to be the next personal trainer. [00:24]
decimation actually he is making exactly the same error that you claim the iq testing guys are making [00:26]
mircea_popescu aha ? [00:26]
decimation the ability solve random puzzle games probably has nearly nothing to do with being a productive employee [00:26]
decimation it might yield interesting patterns across large demographics, but the bridge of causality has yet to be constructed [00:27]
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mircea_popescu something like that [00:27]
mircea_popescu just like the pizzeria that gives you a cute plushie isn't necessarily going to be the best pizza for your buck. [00:27]
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decimation there is a mystery: plenty of folks sit around all day playing WoW, etc for hours, and yet cannot find a productive 'real job' [00:29]
mircea_popescu the job thing cuts so low that it is absolutely NEVER the case ANYONE couldn't find a job. it's just they do not wish to do the jobs available to them. [00:29]
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mircea_popescu the 2nd and 3rd degree losses from this far outstrip the 1st degree. [00:30]
mircea_popescu ie, random imbecile 20something figures it's ok for him to forego employment as the guy bagging my groceries on the grounds that he can do without the 380 a week that job pays, and besides, he's a college grad! so he plays wow. [00:31]
mircea_popescu this does not cost him just the 380, but also the ease of interacting with people that job would have forced upon him. so he has no girlfriend. [00:31]
mircea_popescu and also the sort of self discipline that job forces on him, so he is now also fat. [00:31]
mircea_popescu these are 2nd degree. then the town he lives in goes to shit, because no servants can be found, so smart people leave and usg moves in. [00:32]
mircea_popescu that's the 3rd degree. soon enough the whole charade collapsed. [00:32]
decimation then he's lowered into peasant-hood and has to work to eat? [00:32]
mircea_popescu nope. [00:32]
mircea_popescu he gets killed by a "terrorist" who proceeds to rape his corpse and boil his pet. [00:32]
mircea_popescu there's no easy ways out. [00:33]
decimation heh. others of his kind post on reddit about how terrible this is [00:33]
mircea_popescu for all the difference that'll make... [00:33]
mircea_popescu i suppose the terrorist can then wipe his bloody tool on reddit screencaps printed on archival paper [00:34]
mircea_popescu a normally functioning economy would incentivize him to get out of the loop, by for instance starvation. however... all this desire to "help people" the wrong way, and the overpowered and hyperactive mothers that overprotect the squirrulous fruit of their womb makes any sort of meaningful rescue impossible. [00:37]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in saner countries, http://38.media.tumblr.com/ac4ddb551c451eab25d59445a170f180/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo1_400.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/9ea7cf2925cde2838e3b7fe6084060ac/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo2_400.gif http://38.media.tumblr.com/079aee9ef30fd118676cd7c204377622/tumblr_mywedrd2KT1sjp5vmo3_400.gif [00:39]
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ben_vulpes ahaha so let me trumpet the superiority of my woman for a moment [00:41]
ben_vulpes her mother's been banging on for a visit recently [00:41]
ben_vulpes lady v has scheduled this trip to coincide with con3 [00:41]
mircea_popescu o, she's not coming over ? [00:41]
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ben_vulpes wags was a bust last round according to you [00:42]
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mircea_popescu ah yeah. [00:42]
cazalla danielpbarron, lol @rabite blocked me now [00:48]
danielpbarron me too [00:49]
danielpbarron :D [00:49]
mircea_popescu o.O [01:02]
ben_vulpes the troll who trained shanley? blocking trolls? [01:03]
mircea_popescu these guys must be really good. [01:03]
ben_vulpes https://vid.me/e/HNrC << working on obedience at distance in casa vulpes esta noche [01:06]
assbot Video upload (HNrC) - vidme ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOfSdC ) [01:06]
decimation mircea_popescu: re: terrorist < eh, I don't see it. what does it benefit the terrorist to even bother? [01:09]
decimation other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck [01:09]
decimation on another note, another lesson to learn from the french revolution: the problem with being a lefty populist is that there's always someone else who is a little more left and a little more populist [01:13]
decimation because unlike reactionaries, nobody on the left can actually claim to legitimately vest sovereignty in a particular person - all leftist government are of a temporary and emergency nature [01:14]
cazalla not that i'd buy one, but at least these new mac laptops have 16:10 display.. with all the 16:9's doing away with master race 16:10's, it must be coming back into fashion [01:16]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: that beast yours ? [01:17]
asciilifeform longdog is long [01:17]
decimation asciilifeform: re: old macbooks < apparently coreboot supports the old 1,1 and 2,1 macbooks [01:18]
asciilifeform decimation: iirc 'efi' (standard apple/sun/sgi bootloader) a) has published source b) doesn't do particularly much in the first place [01:19]
decimation yeah, good point. [01:20]
decimation the main issue are all the peripherals. they sort of work. [01:20]
decimation but probably not suspend-to-ram [01:20]
* asciilifeform has had more than his fill of 'sort of work [01:20]
asciilifeform ' [01:20]
decimation more interesting are all of the server motherboards, but it seems like support is limited to old opterons [01:22]
asciilifeform pretty much whole amd product line works [01:22]
ben_vulpes why is suspend to ram such a big deal? [01:25]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: for me in particular? or asking why difficult to implement correctly [01:25]
ben_vulpes for you in particular. [01:25]
asciilifeform aha [01:25]
asciilifeform because i often use machine for a minute or two at a time [01:25]
asciilifeform and then put back on shelf or in bag [01:25]
asciilifeform and have no desire to boot [01:25]
asciilifeform or, conversely, to lose state when closed down [01:26]
* asciilifeform does not carry out crypto or secret work of whatever kind on such machines [01:26]
ben_vulpes http://imgur.com/F6KDREa << my beast, fairly long. yellow object is nine inches. [01:26]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1EOkErI ) [01:26]
ben_vulpes also tonight the beast acquired a new trick: "hold the fuck still while i put things on you" [01:26]
cazalla i love dogs but a dog in the house.. i dunno mang [01:27]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes got the dog properly level ? [01:27]
cazalla my staffy lived for 16 years and she was only permitted into the laundry [01:28]
asciilifeform leg shape in toilet on upper right hand corner of photo is ben_vulpes ? [01:28]
asciilifeform or other pet [01:28]
cazalla asciilifeform, towel or gown is my bed [01:29]
cazalla bet [01:29]
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ben_vulpes hahahahaha [01:41]
ben_vulpes towel. [01:41]
asciilifeform lol [01:41]
ben_vulpes y'no see the tag, and the drapes, and the tag, and the being of in the bathroom? [01:41]
mircea_popescu other than being a megalomaniac and/or sick fuck << kinda the definition. [01:42]
asciilifeform processing of homo redditicus by countereconomic 'hobbyist' sick fuck is only one possibility [01:43]
asciilifeform there is also colonization and industrial rendering for biodiesel. [01:44]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/rjMI2Dh.gif [01:44]
asciilifeform a la incas or east eur. / east asia circa ww2 [01:44]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker [01:55]
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mircea_popescu hey, has doge registered the .moon tld yet ? [03:01]
mircea_popescu doge.moon sounds pretty apt. [03:01]
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BingoBoingo No idea if they have? can they afford a tld? [03:19]
mircea_popescu well if they sold all the doge in the world... [03:35]
mircea_popescu i guess the answer im looking for is no. [03:35]
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mircea_popescu and in the daily wtf, http://40.media.tumblr.com/7213e1473373def4e3cff85f189a6ae1/tumblr_nira03BKqI1u1gbqro1_1280.jpg [03:40]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << this is why i don't quite buy the "trillion dollar project" argument. [03:46]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever. [03:46]
mircea_popescu which argument is that ? [03:46]
ben_vulpes redoing modern compute is impossible without your own icbm and maintenance staff for. [03:47]
ben_vulpes icmbs* [03:47]
ben_vulpes and silos and etc etc [03:47]
mircea_popescu ah. alf just likes hyperbolae [03:47]
ben_vulpes i know this, but for the loggerheads. [03:47]
mircea_popescu a pretty good place to deploy them, too. [03:47]
ben_vulpes the argument deserves surfacing. [03:47]
mircea_popescu no rush anyway. [03:47]
ben_vulpes it's a trillion dollar project if you swallow the whole spitoon of what constitutes modern computing. [03:47]
ben_vulpes x11, the whole nine. [03:47]
mircea_popescu the world was apparently content to wait fifty fucking years for us to come along [03:47]
mircea_popescu it can wait while i finish my cake slice too. [03:48]
mircea_popescu it's so apt that, you know that ilf of ilf & petrov fame also was an initialism ? [03:49]
mircea_popescu for that matter, it is unclear to me that the notion of "fonts" adds any value whatsoever and is anything other than shitgnomism, 80s flavour. [03:51]
mircea_popescu not to mention i still distinctly recall my cat-ish mistrust as an 8 yo boy confronted with "special symbols". why exactly something like $ is even needed, or useful, is imo still open to debate. [03:51]
mircea_popescu 27 fucking letters and be happy if you get case next version. [03:51]
scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/who-made-this/ [03:54]
mircea_popescu and with that, i'm off! [03:56]
ben_vulpes https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=c517d838eb7d07bbe9507871fab3931deccff539 [03:58]
assbot kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hs5VCs ) [03:58]
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mircea_popescu davout ayup, it's a thing. [10:17]
jurov http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << implies that text is by far fastest/most reliable channel to push bits into the brain [10:17]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 00:04:10; mircea_popescu: i can accept that SOME PEOPLE actually need their monitor to graphics. so make a gamestation. otherwise, we're fucking literate, we're not women, nothing beats text. ever. [10:17]
mircea_popescu it does. [10:17]
jurov i concede all the other attempts were feeble, but it may not be the ultimate case [10:17]
mircea_popescu if it weren't, we wouldn't CODE IN FUCKING TEXT [10:17]
mircea_popescu the day someone makes derp++ and starts iterating splines in a cube conditional, we can revisit this. [10:18]
mircea_popescu that said, feel free to draw out your love and other emotions, preferably directly on the object, with sticky matter. [10:19]
jurov that's not what i'm saying [10:19]
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jurov i'm saying it looks like local optimum and when retina is fully reverse-engineered, better methods may be found [10:20]
jurov but everyone is so used to text, it will be hard [10:20]
jurov *local maximum [10:20]
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mircea_popescu that somehow didn't emerge. so wait, reverse engineer the retina ? in what sense ? it's pretty well described as is [10:21]
jurov even if, the knowledge is not yet being used in practice to achieve better bitrates [10:22]
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mircea_popescu i think the bitrate approach misses the fundamental point here. you'll never beat the bitrate of "put out random pixels" with any bitmap approach. [10:23]
mircea_popescu this is where anything but text fails : no abstractive power. [10:23]
mircea_popescu a curve does not meaningfully stand for a set of curves like a word stands for a set of words. [10:23]
jurov there was the cad example, for curves that meaningfully stand for something [10:24]
mircea_popescu only because there's a textual context to generously support it. [10:24]
mircea_popescu you can't make a cad based kernel. [10:24]
mircea_popescu and if you can't do that, which is the absolute bare minimum of communication, you can't do anything meaningful., [10:24]
jurov you don't tell me what i can do and don't. i already combine charts and text for production code [10:25]
jurov but i consider things like drakon editor a feeble attempt led by gut feeling of russina mathematicians [10:26]
jurov *russian [10:26]
mircea_popescu well actually, yeah, this is what i do :) my fucking thesis was on the limits of knowledge. [10:26]
jurov and woinder if they have known what we know of retina, how would it end up [10:26]
mircea_popescu an' i'm tellin' you, "visual" is not a complete language. [10:27]
mircea_popescu obviously it's an adjunct. everything can be an adjunct to speech. [10:27]
mircea_popescu (In linguistics, an adjunct is an optional, or structurally dispensable, part of a sentence, clause, or phrase that, if removed or discarded, will not otherwise affect the remainder of the sentence.) [10:27]
jurov lol. you know deafies are considering whole speech as "dispensable" [10:28]
jurov signs are teh best!!1 [10:29]
mircea_popescu signs are a reimplementation of speech. [10:29]
mircea_popescu this is like saying "my ms dos fixedsys display is graphical" [10:29]
mircea_popescu (i didn't mean speech as in the sound thereof) [10:29]
jurov not for prelingval deaf, the "grammar" is purely visual [10:29]
jurov and they hate the 1:1 attempts to translat speech into signs [10:30]
mircea_popescu eh, while i can appreciate the theoretical beauty of this "fuck you, i'm a dragon" approach, i do not credit it any. in fact, i think it only exists because the context is of the "fuck you, dragons" nature. [10:30]
mircea_popescu and i think the sort of idiots running around pretending "everything;'s something!11" are doing deaf people a major disfavor. [10:31]
jurov as compared to pretending "text is everything and forever will be"? [10:33]
mircea_popescu right. [10:33]
jurov i have videos and podcasts as anyone, but this? [10:33]
jurov *hate [10:33]
mircea_popescu let's move it in a different field. you acquainted with the happenstance that iconoclastic civilisations prospered intellectually whereas iconocladic civilisations failed ? [10:35]
jurov yes [10:37]
mircea_popescu so do you explain it ? [10:38]
kakobrekla just lucky i guess. [10:38]
jurov egypt prospered thousands of yeats with *very* augmented text [10:39]
jurov *years [10:39]
mircea_popescu to be fair, i loved the "visual equalizer" in whatever program first played mp3s on 386s, single session. and obviously computers are for pronz. [10:39]
jurov the original discussion was that having X*Y fixed terminal is sufficient for every intellectual endeavor [10:39]
jurov that was what prompted me [10:40]
mircea_popescu more like, "x*y field terminal is great for cutting out timewasters" [10:40]
jurov i see [10:43]
mircea_popescu it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't. exactly the opposite service of a powerpoint presentation. [10:43]
mircea_popescu but that said, computers are still for pronz. [10:44]
adlai https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Quicksort_DRAKON.png vs http://rosettacode.org/wiki/Sorting_algorithms/Quicksort [10:44]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GnisGd ) [10:44]
assbot Sorting algorithms/Quicksort - Rosetta Code ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gnitd1 ) [10:44]
mircea_popescu adlai you're not seriously proposing innovative pagination turns text into "graphical" do you ? [10:44]
* adlai proposes nothing, just dumps links in the logs [10:45]
mircea_popescu lol [10:45]
mircea_popescu particularly bad example too, quicksort is like seven lines forty words. [10:45]
adlai i've not yet encountered something which worked better for me than text, but i'm not sold on it being the global maximum, short of sticking wires in the brain [10:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it forces people to think, and it simplifies the task of rooting out thoise who haven't << why not goose quill pen, then [10:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that's a simple restriction on volume. [10:46]
asciilifeform i understand the appeal of 'this is the fucking army, you will paint the snow white until your fucking beg' [10:46]
asciilifeform but pray tell what were the 'timewasters' on a 'symbolics' box ? [10:46]
mircea_popescu well, more like, "if you can't say it in words you've not understood it" [10:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i will use your own body to defeat you! how long did you spent with the box, and how much did you make in that time ? [10:47]
asciilifeform or for that matter mathematical symbols. modern mathematics -began- when they switched from naked words to the occasional piece of graphical 'garbage' [10:47]
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adlai how about "if you can't present it in an original fashion, you've not understood it" [10:48]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: no dice. spent as little time as did with box because a good chunk of it is replicated in my modern 'emacs' - with which i've made just about everything in my adult life [10:48]
mircea_popescu no it didn't. modern mathematics began once they gave up the "mysticism" and "unexpressible" and "obvious" visual/intuitive nonsense and started putting everything in words. [10:48]
adlai granted, most presentations will be words [10:48]
asciilifeform obligatory: http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/var/SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v [10:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQP4P9 ) [10:49]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well then that's all i got, because i've never spent considerable enough time with one to say anything cogent. [10:50]
adlai !s SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v [10:50]
asciilifeform now all of this probably plays into mircea_popescu's thesis, because it turns out that the main use of graphical bitmaps in a 'symbolics' box or in my emacs is to better shovel text around [10:50]
assbot 0 results for 'SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=SymbolicsTalk28June2012.m4v [10:50]
mircea_popescu heh! [10:50]
asciilifeform adlai: it used to be a link to my site [10:50]
asciilifeform adlai: but the original google video was censored [10:50]
asciilifeform so we cached it. [10:50]
mircea_popescu wait, we do that ?! [10:50]
adlai aha, http://www.loper-os.org/?p=932 [10:50]
assbot Loper OS » Kalman Reti, the Last Symbolics Developer, Speaks of Lisp Machines. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQPvJ8 ) [10:51]
asciilifeform kakobrekla offered that time [10:51]
asciilifeform because thing wasn't just some idiot talking, but a film of the machine in use [10:51]
asciilifeform yet another example of an item for which you absolutely need a moving picture [10:51]
mircea_popescu is it computer pronz ? [10:52]
asciilifeform sumthinglikethat [10:52]
adlai eh, the information in a video can be reliably conveyed through a transcript [10:52]
asciilifeform adlai: nope. [10:52]
asciilifeform not that one. [10:52]
asciilifeform fucking watch it [10:52]
adlai 2 minutes left [10:52]
adlai until then, i'm here [10:52]
* adlai remains silent, to leave some doubt [10:53]
adlai asciilifeform: what of http://www.loper-os.org/?p=858 ? [10:53]
assbot Loper OS » May 2012 Update ... ( http://bit.ly/1KQQhGd ) [10:53]
asciilifeform adlai: shelved [10:54]
adlai that's nice, for the shelf [10:54]
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asciilifeform adlai: because started falling into c shitpit [10:54]
adlai why not write it in lisp? [10:54]
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asciilifeform adlai: because c os [10:55]
asciilifeform adlai: if i could choose just one small idea from my entire set of writings to survive, it would be that 'abstractions push up' [10:56]
asciilifeform as well as down [10:56]
asciilifeform the basic idea was known to the ancients as 'spoonfull of shit in a barrel of honey' [10:56]
asciilifeform iirc mircea_popescu had an article re: same. [10:56]
adlai in this case, the problem is that limitations push upwards [10:56]
mircea_popescu well... chicks not having two cunts certainly has made it so we don't have two penises, amirite ? [10:57]
asciilifeform adlai: if you're curious, i quit the emulator when i realized that even the text output absolutely trivial on a dataflow machine cannot be rendered in real time on a von neumann box (simply attach dependency graph to each rectangle of video buffer ram) [10:58]
asciilifeform to explain this in usable detail would take a while [10:58]
asciilifeform but perhaps the basic idea is clear [10:58]
adlai the basic idea is an obvious limitation of von neumann [10:58]
asciilifeform and one that breaks, in practice, the turing thesis [10:59]
asciilifeform some things -can't- be emulated usably [10:59]
asciilifeform (mathematically - in 'batch mode' - yes. usably in real time - no) [10:59]
asciilifeform now wondering if mircea_popescu will suggest bringing back batch processing [10:59]
asciilifeform because that was surely the ultimate 'derp zapper' [10:59]
mircea_popescu lol [11:00]
asciilifeform batch programmers typically never even saw the machine... [11:00]
mircea_popescu well actually, under the "least bugs in code" criteria, the best programming was done 1100ad - 1700ad. [11:00]
mircea_popescu why stop at batch mode :D [11:01]
asciilifeform there we go. [11:01]
asciilifeform but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. [11:01]
asciilifeform what a bitch it'd be [11:02]
asciilifeform good abstractions are not only orthogonal and well-chosen, but -compact- [11:02]
asciilifeform brainspacewise [11:02]
mircea_popescu trivial to write integrals in plain language, what. [11:02]
mircea_popescu "integral" [11:02]
asciilifeform i said triple [11:03]
asciilifeform with varying params [11:03]
mircea_popescu i still dunno why you think the current notation is somehow nonverbal. [11:03]
asciilifeform it isn't nonverbal in the sense of what geometers liked to do [11:04]
asciilifeform but used 'weird symbols' not found on my keyboard, was the point [11:04]
mircea_popescu well that's your point, but notrly what was discussed. a simple mapping from that to "integral" and problem solved. [11:05]
mircea_popescu a symbol is a symbol. [11:05]
asciilifeform http://www.tutapoint.com/kcimages/TripleIntegraParaboloidPlate_.jpg << pulled out of the aether arbitrarily for folks who had too many years from school [11:05]
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asciilifeform to illustrate what is being spoken of [11:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: simple mapping to the word brutally linearizes the expression [11:06]
asciilifeform forces you to demunge it in your head [11:06]
asciilifeform there is a reason why newton and leibniz both came up with new symbols for this example [11:06]
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mircea_popescu "triple integral for x = 4y**2 + 4z**2 and x=4" [11:06]
asciilifeform and what of the bounds ? [11:07]
asciilifeform glommed on separately somewhere ? [11:07]
mircea_popescu implicit neh ? [11:07]
asciilifeform l0l! [11:07]
mircea_popescu but it is! [11:07]
asciilifeform in this problem! [11:07]
mircea_popescu WHICH IS MY POINT :D [11:07]
asciilifeform whatddoihavetodo, scan a schoolbook! lol [11:08]
mircea_popescu exactly! see ? [11:08]
asciilifeform let's suppose they weren't implicit. [11:08]
asciilifeform easily most of real life [11:08]
mircea_popescu the very general case where it's easier to show me than to tell me reduces to pr0n. [11:08]
mircea_popescu (/me could have been deformed by years of insisting pets verbalize as part of their education) [11:09]
asciilifeform or simply to the fact that straight line of alphabet yes, can unambiguously describe everything. but it takes titanic space for a large class of concepts [11:09]
asciilifeform human languages as a class aren't even automatically unambiguous structurewise, and to hammer them into this shape results in the kind of verbiage that led people to invent 'squigglies' in the first place. [11:10]
mircea_popescu the more important point here was if you're somehow going to leverage the visual processor to think with, rather than whether it sometimes saves representative space for the linguistic processor to conveniently symbolize. [11:10]
mircea_popescu natural language "ambiguity" is a machine problem, not a human problem. [11:11]
asciilifeform when you teach the pets to reassemble kalash, will it be visually (tactile!) or verbally ? [11:11]
jurov there are cases linguistic processor may require storage of more than 7 items [11:11]
* adlai sees a surprising parallel between processing a long string of characters and the von neumann approach to executing a linear sequence instructions referring an array of memory... [11:11]
jurov which it the core of the problem [11:11]
mircea_popescu adlai not coincidental either. [11:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pronz! [11:11]
mircea_popescu there's no understanding involved in mashing the bits together. i also teach cooking by example only. [11:12]
mircea_popescu jurov 7 bits should be enough for everyone! [11:12]
asciilifeform i think he was speaking of the 7 levels of stack thing [11:13]
jurov yes. [11:13]
asciilifeform i've seen it trotted out as an argument that it is impossible to program in common lisp [11:13]
jurov and mnemonics is all about replacing the stuff eith rememberable *visual* interpretation [11:13]
asciilifeform because one encounters sometimes more than 7 levels of nesting [11:13]
asciilifeform which was a mega-l0l [11:14]
jurov i'm trying to get at that... you have to convert text into some internal representation in order to store more thasn 7 items [11:15]
adlai 7 is some average (mode?) though, rather than a neurological law. [11:15]
jurov so why it not possivble to feed these more directly to the brain? [11:15]
asciilifeform it is. [11:15]
asciilifeform i promised yesterday to say why i quit the ibm green phosphour terminal; this was why [11:16]
mircea_popescu jurov you know this is nonsense. i store thousands of items. [11:16]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: likely thinking of a different 'store' [11:17]
jurov but not as text! [11:17]
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jurov i have seen you to mangle several names for example [11:17]
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asciilifeform the original '7' thing was re: short-term memory and juggling arbitrary symbols as strings [11:17]
adlai http://www.gwern.net/DNB%20FAQ [11:17]
mircea_popescu jurov nothing is error free, not even non-ecc memory. [11:17]
mircea_popescu nevertheless, my articles are generally preformed and i just tyoe them out. [11:17]
adlai like wagner [11:17]
mircea_popescu most of the "mind science" is pure gunk, ftr. [11:18]
mircea_popescu and it doesn't start with pharma, freud was closer to a fraud than anything. and all the way back. [11:18]
jurov ^ yes, that i meant by "feeble attempts" to present nontext information [11:19]
asciilifeform 'What’s the real difference between having a type signature in your short-term memory or prominently displayed in your second monitor? What’s the real difference between writing a comment in your mind or touch-typing it as fast as you create it? Just some speed. Just some time. And the more visible that type signature is, the faster you can type out that comment, the larger your ‘memory’ gets. And the larger your memor [11:19]
asciilifeform y is, the more intelligent/productive you can be.' [11:19]
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asciilifeform ^ will sign under every word of that [11:19]
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mircea_popescu minus the last sentence. [11:20]
mircea_popescu if memory made intelligence, computers'd be pretty smart. [11:20]
asciilifeform it's only true in the opposite [11:20]
asciilifeform artificially clamping your memory -> stupider [11:20]
asciilifeform like strapping weights to a runner [11:21]
mircea_popescu maybe. [11:21]
asciilifeform removing bricks from on top another brick, will not make the latter a faster runner... [11:21]
mircea_popescu hahaha [11:21]
mircea_popescu ok that's maybe your best analogy to date. [11:21]
jurov the human memory is content addressable. computers are very poor at that [11:22]
asciilifeform jurov: a von neumann limitation. [11:24]
asciilifeform jurov: think about how you can't 'ask' every machine word in your ram simultaneously whether it 'equals such-and-such' [11:24]
asciilifeform have to go through all $maxint of it and ask, ask, ask... [11:24]
asciilifeform because idiocy [11:24]
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asciilifeform there is no physical/electrical reason why it can't worh the other way [11:25]
nubbins` http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/cia-hacked-iphone-ipad-mac-security-snowden-documents-reveal-extent-privacy-invasion-1491258 [11:25]
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asciilifeform !s TWINKLE [11:25]
assbot 11 results for 'TWINKLE' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=TWINKLE [11:25]
jurov yes, that. but it is fully parallel comparison really doable on 2D silicon? [11:25]
nubbins` "As well as targeting the iPhone and iPad directly, the CIA also claims to have developed a poisoned version of Xcode, the software development tool used by app developers to create the apps sold through Apple's hugely successful App Store. It is unclear how the CIA managed to get developers to use the poisoned version of Xcode, but it would have allowed the CIA install backdoors into any apps created using their version." [11:25]
nubbins` dat toolchain o.O [11:25]
asciilifeform compiler-infection is as old as time. [11:25]
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adlai !s trusting trust [11:28]
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asciilifeform https://firstlook.org/theintercept/document/2015/03/10/strawhorse-attacking-macos-ios-software-development-kit << at least they cite thompson. [11:29]
assbot Strawhorse: Attacking the MacOS and iOS Software Development Kit - The Intercept ... ( http://bit.ly/1KR1kis ) [11:29]
adlai antecedent failure... for a moment, parsed that as [firstlook] cite thompson... but i guess they're just journalists [11:31]
asciilifeform lol re: usg spending $maxint to extract apple symmetric key from cpu [11:37]
adlai here's something that doesn't translate well to text: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/05/C-element-from-NANDs.svg [11:37]
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asciilifeform where are the moles? [11:37]
asciilifeform adlai: a good chunk of the total world of engineering fits in this category [11:37]
asciilifeform know the saying 'picture is worth 1000 words' ? it isn't a joke [11:38]
asciilifeform and 1000 is, often, optimistic [11:38]
adlai eh, you can describe this picture in less than 1000 [11:38]
mircea_popescu the only reason that picture is even meaningful to you is because you long ago digested its text [11:38]
mircea_popescu so now it's symbolized and you look at it and you figure hey, it's so much better than text [11:38]
adlai on the contrary [11:38]
adlai the only text which i needed was the filename [11:39]
mircea_popescu not unlike ruby programmer imagining "o wow, so much better than asm". [11:39]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the reasons whereby ruby sucks have nothing to do with the representation [11:39]
* adlai would've had to use trial-and-error to figure out which gate was represented, if the filename hadn't specified it [11:40]
mircea_popescu otherwise, it translates to text quite perfectly well, and plainly : "if and only if". but this is familiar to people trained in humanities more than in cs i guess. [11:40]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the c-gate !?! [11:40]
asciilifeform nope. [11:40]
* asciilifeform suggests actually understanding what adlai linked to [11:40]
* mircea_popescu looks at gate again [11:41]
asciilifeform i regard c-gate as among the greatest inventions in 20th c. electronics [11:41]
asciilifeform (even though it is used virtually nowhere...) [11:41]
* adlai is trying to actually understand what loper-os links to... [11:41]
mircea_popescu "if not both" [11:41]
asciilifeform it lets you have asynchronous circuits without metastability problems [11:41]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the function of the 'extra' gates does not become clear unless you understand why extant cpus (which do not use muller's c-gate) need 'clocks' at all [11:42]
asciilifeform they have to wait for inputs to 'settle' [11:42]
asciilifeform because an ordinary logic gate can enter a 'metastable' wedge-state if it is given a 'pathological' input transition (i.e. you try to use the output before the inputs are stable) [11:43]
* mircea_popescu has been spending some time looking at this circuitry, understands why it backfeeds now. [11:44]
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mircea_popescu i'll note you'd have had a much more reliable response had you described rather than shown :)!!! [11:44]
mircea_popescu seeing how i'm not an electrical engineer, i'm prone to misinterpret. the boon of ignorance. [11:44]
asciilifeform but if didn't show, only explained why, the thing would have to be re-invented to be built [11:45]
asciilifeform not necessarily impossible - but who's to say when. [11:45]
mircea_popescu not our concern, now is it. [11:45]
asciilifeform my concern because life is short and i want to compute with c-gates. [11:45]
mircea_popescu and this is why i became a theoretical physicist [11:46]
mircea_popescu albeit briefly. [11:46]
asciilifeform wanted to see something physzed ? [11:46]
mircea_popescu no, simply did not give a shit. [11:46]
mircea_popescu but anyway, this IS a pretty beautiful thing huh ? [11:46]
asciilifeform sure is [11:47]
mircea_popescu it actually can't ever be metastable can it. [11:47]
asciilifeform !s c-gate [11:47]
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asciilifeform ^ iirc we did it a bit [11:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not sure if this is rigorously proven, but approximately yes [11:47]
asciilifeform but at any rate they do not end up wedged in practice (folks with $maxint have built otherwise conventional cpu without clock using c-gate, they don't wedge) [11:48]
asciilifeform exhibits other interesting properties. [11:48]
asciilifeform you cool it down, it speeds up [11:48]
mircea_popescu it would [11:48]
asciilifeform (no clock, so only propagation delays matter) [11:48]
mircea_popescu right [11:48]
asciilifeform but i seem to be the only one who (publicly) realized that it is the very thing for building dataflow comp. [11:49]
asciilifeform and was in fact the missing ingredient [11:49]
mircea_popescu i wonder if there;s a limit of how many you can plop together before you end up in some novel hell [11:49]
asciilifeform if never metastable, then no [11:49]
asciilifeform unless novel hell is of some higher-level mathematical variety [11:50]
asciilifeform rather than physical effect of individual gate [11:50]
mircea_popescu right. [11:50]
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asciilifeform but one can put together a few mil. of these, without any apparent daemonic possession of the machine, is what we experimentally have so far. [11:51]
asciilifeform somebody even sells a clockless 'arm'. [11:51]
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asciilifeform (that, afaik, is the limit of what anyone with actual funding has dared) [11:51]
asciilifeform !s achronix [11:52]
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asciilifeform or hmm, maybe that wasn't it [11:52]
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asciilifeform http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs) [12:03]
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asciilifeform '...we should start with cleaner hardware, then write a cleaner replacement for the JVM (same cross-platform capabilities!?, same performance optimisations!?), as well as all its libraries... we'd be busy at least for another decade and required backing from several large companies.' [12:04]
* asciilifeform wrote a flame many years ago and the 'butthurt' over it never seems to abate [12:04]
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asciilifeform and there's something palpably poisonous about that page [12:05]
asciilifeform not sure what the word for it is [12:05]
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asciilifeform incidentally, my explanation at 14:39:46 is a bit broken but i'll leave it as exercise for the reader. [12:29]
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PeterL asciilifeform:but going back to mathematical notation for a spell - let's write, e.g., a gnarly triple integral, in plain humanlang. << When writing such an integral, I use words in my head as I put down the symbols (eg. integral from 0 to 2pi integral from 0 to 1 integral from 4r^2 to 4 of xdxrdrd(theta) ) [13:14]
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jurov http://kukuruku.co/hub/diy/usb-killer?ModPagespeed=noscript asciilifeform, good addition to cardano, i guess :D [13:26]
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thestringpuller LOL [18:15]
thestringpuller a mircea_popescu appears [18:15]
mircea_popescu aha ? [18:16]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [18:16]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 294.75, Best ask: 295.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 295.04, 24 hour volume: 67374.24839178, 24 hour low: 287.91, 24 hour high: 303.96, 24 hour vwap: None [18:16]
mircea_popescu wtf is this no vwap srsly. [18:16]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [18:16]
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mircea_popescu ;;calc 1950 / 295 [18:16]
gribble 6.61016949153 [18:16]
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mircea_popescu davout http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/#comment-112937 btw. [18:18]
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mircea_popescu and check this shit out : http://trilema.com/2013/various-kinds-of-stickiness/#comment-112932 [18:18]
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mircea_popescu (real dooglus btw) [18:18]
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thestringpuller ah so mr. davout is going to conference [18:19]
mircea_popescu $conference [18:21]
thestringpuller that bot is down [18:21]
mircea_popescu btw - only a few days left, hurry up in case the btc collapses. [18:21]
ben_vulpes bit rottttt [18:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform:!up stoya [18:23]
mircea_popescu stoya was here ?! [18:23]
davout mircea_popescu: ty for the quote [18:29]
davout however, it has more than 8 decimal places [18:29]
thestringpuller :D [18:30]
davout and if we're doing signatures it's probably the payment address that needs to be signed along with the amount [18:30]
mircea_popescu davout it's a running joke with jurov and others that watch the mpex statements :) [18:33]
mircea_popescu davout notrly, because i may have to verify people later, in person, whereas you won't have to verify payments later in a different venue. [18:33]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: it's not funny. this is srs bsns. [18:33]
mircea_popescu that's what makes it funny. [18:34]
thestringpuller like nubbins` joking about dufflebag of cocaine in trunk while we cross canadian border [18:34]
thestringpuller sure we end up in jail, but it was funny! [18:34]
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thestringpuller i like how plane ticket is more expensive than VIP ticket [18:37]
thestringpuller like wtf airlines [18:38]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: how much was it from up there in the mountains? [18:38]
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ascii_field mircea_popescu: who knows which stoya [18:42]
ascii_field it didn't talk.. [18:42]
ascii_field i like how plane ticket is more expensive than VIP ticket << where'ya flying from [18:42]
ascii_field greenland ? [18:43]
* mircea_popescu would rather see stoya here than paul graham. [18:43]
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ascii_field only if actual stoya [18:43]
mircea_popescu same for pg :) [18:44]
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davout mircea_popescu: i noticed the decimals thing on mike_c's quote as well :) [18:46]
davout as for the signature, how do i verify your wordpress wasn't haxxored? [18:46]
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ascii_field possibly we do a 'key party' this time ? [18:47]
davout ascii_field: totally [18:47]
davout with mandatory s.nsa collider std check [18:48]
ascii_field incidentally, if someone wants to generate a fatter key, now would probably be a good time [18:48]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yep, we are. [18:48]
mircea_popescu davout for one, it's the sameaddress everyone else paid to [18:49]
mircea_popescu the beauty of reusing addresses. [18:49]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field has an excellent point : this is a fine time to make new keys / reorganize the keyplan, make a master key which then signs other keys as you need etc. [18:49]
davout mebbe the haxxorer also changed other addresses on the same page, signing can't really hurt can it [18:50]
mircea_popescu also i'm very well connected into the old style strong set, so there is that. [18:50]
mircea_popescu davout it can't hurt but i'm about to hop in a car. will make a deed when im back later [18:50]
mircea_popescu speaking of which yo trinque ! old deeds ? new display style ? [18:51]
davout mircea_popescu: no worries, just poking at you [18:51]
mircea_popescu (also what i meant was, you can check thje address see payments received) [18:51]
davout which dates and amounts i crosscheck against... teh webpage :p [18:52]
thestringpuller davout: how do I get a French passport? [18:52]
ascii_field lol 'meee tooo' [18:53]
davout thestringpuller: marry a french chick i guess [18:53]
ascii_field want cheaper! [18:53]
thestringpuller wait that works? [18:53]
davout thestringpuller: why do you want a communist nation's passport anyway? [18:53]
trinque mircea_popescu: yeh, in sqlite it's all still broken into parts; I might be able to hax that tonight [18:53]
ascii_field davout: because anything other than usa [18:54]
ascii_field even nork [18:54]
thestringpuller davout: although France is communist, they got style [18:54]
thestringpuller haven't you heard Niggas In Paris?!? [18:54]
davout haha what about them? [18:56]
davout (and technically you could also marry a french dude!) [18:56]
thestringpuller LOL [18:56]
mircea_popescu what french dude'd have him ? [18:56]
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mircea_popescu anyway, im off! tell all the stoyas. [18:57]
davout i presume anchor kids could also work [18:58]
davout or just come, hang around naked on a beach, pretend you're amnesiac [18:58]
ascii_field davout: whatcha gonna suggest next, the 'foreign legion', lol [18:58]
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davout ascii_field: hah! that too [18:59]
thestringpuller ahaha [18:59]
davout go marry a french legionnaire [18:59]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by Bingo Boingo: http://qntra.net/2015/03/windows-stuxnet-patch-left-vulnerability-open/ [19:01]
_FeltPen excellent. qntra does good work, that site is how I discovered this channel. fwiw. [19:03]
ascii_field BingoBoingo: mega-lol! [19:03]
ascii_field but did you really expect microshit to patch without opening a new orifice? because that'd be a first. [19:03]
ascii_field in fact (not big secret!) professional 0day-diggers regard microshit's patches as a golden source of goodies [19:04]
ascii_field and occupy much of their time reversing them [19:04]
BingoBoingo ascii_field: Not at all, but it is interesting how the ghost of HP is trying to do anything it can to say "Butt weur gud guiz, buy from us" [19:04]
BingoBoingo _FeltPen: cool [19:05]
thestringpuller Ballmer was the Nero of MicroPoo [19:05]
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danielpbarron i had to literally de-"bug" .. :/ [19:10]
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danielpbarron height=268264 vs height=204752 [19:57]
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BingoBoingo lol, looks like in the case of bullets vs. ATF bullets have recieved a reprieve http://www.atf.gov/press/releases/2015-03-021015-advisory-notice-those-commenting-armor-piercing-ammunition-exemption-framework.html [20:02]
assbot Notice to those Commenting on the Armor Piercing Ammunition Exemption Framework | ATF ... ( http://bit.ly/18yUUmp ) [20:02]
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kakobrekla perspective matters; http://shrani.si/f/3j/PS/2nc2wx0t/outputqwydkc.gif [20:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5bx71 ) [20:31]
BingoBoingo That's a good one [20:32]
adlai not his fault, he got framed [20:41]
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cazalla TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu [21:16]
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cazalla and here i thought it was nubbins or perhaps even hanbot [21:17]
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danielpbarron i guess it's the beard or something [21:20]
jurov can't he be everyone? [21:22]
danielpbarron new tshirt slogan for nubbins "I AM MP" [21:22]
BingoBoingo http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2015/03/05/chemistry_incident_in_manchester.php [21:24]
assbot Chemistry Incident in Manchester. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1b0JQQF ) [21:24]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: reprieve << ahaha lol no. it's the usual 'we'll slip it up your arse later when brouhaha is over and nobody's paying attention' usg business. [21:27]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: They will likely try that yes. It's just very expensive politically to anger the gun lobby in this way. [21:29]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: ratchet still cranks. [21:29]
asciilifeform when has usg legalized anything formerly forbidden ? [21:30]
asciilifeform that'd be like a lion un-eating a gazelle [21:30]
BingoBoingo Well, there was that one time they listened to women on booze and retracted, but it was an earlier time. [21:30]
cazalla danielpbarron, it could be the beard, i'd wager there is a higher ratio of men with beards than not in #b-a and higher ratio of men with bikini wax at /r/bitcoin [21:30]
asciilifeform only retracted when found a new use for the armed thugs [21:30]
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BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Still a lot of blame for this goes to the fuckers who made AR-style pistols. Some feasibe civilian arms in the US are simply not made due to the legal/regulatory cascade which would follow. (ex. 'smart' guns) [21:32]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: iirc 'smart' in the sense of electrical detonation is explicitly forbidden [21:33]
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asciilifeform on account of being a software patch away from full auto [21:33]
asciilifeform and this apparently is a great irritant to many marksmanship types who would much like electrical striker for a few percent decrease in mechanical jitter [21:34]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That, but also 'smart' in the sense of authenticates user is defacto forbiden because of New Jersey law. [21:34]
asciilifeform the one that makes it mandatory if ever becomes available on the market ? [21:34]
BingoBoingo That one indeed [21:34]
asciilifeform still not sure how anything the size of a 1990s laptop can be called a 'pistol' with a straight face [21:36]
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asciilifeform (in usa - anything that has only one hilt it being roughly 90 degree to the barrel, iirc, is legally 'pistol') [21:37]
BingoBoingo ^ [21:37]
asciilifeform ianal, but phun phact (tm): [21:38]
asciilifeform my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level [21:39]
asciilifeform e.g., arbalest, laser, electron beam weapon, etc. [21:39]
asciilifeform there are prohibitions on nukes (lol), poisons, and biowar - but that's, iirc, it. [21:39]
asciilifeform not that appropriate text couldn't be crapped into the penal code overnight if lizardhitler wished it, mind you [21:40]
asciilifeform but still entertaining, this omission. [21:40]
BingoBoingo There's state level prohibitions on top of things. In any number civilian taser/stun gun ownership is banned [21:41]
asciilifeform too 'humane' ? [21:41]
* jurov once had some stray thoughts about nanotubes-reinforced arbalest [21:41]
trinque asciilifeform: fascinating; all I can find re: lasers is labling requirements, etc [21:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: So it seems [21:41]
asciilifeform trinque: i have a 'class 4' laser right in this room [21:42]
BingoBoingo trinque: With sufficiently good batteries laser, magnetic rail, and other exotica might finally be banned. [21:42]
asciilifeform trinque: if it were 10,000 times larger, would still be 'class 4'. [21:42]
BingoBoingo At the moment I imagine there is no explict ban because USG wants to see what Boeing might buy for them off of a sufficiently advanced crackpot while it is still safe to assume such things are minimally portable. [21:43]
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trinque BingoBoingo: eh probably just hasn't been a problem yet [21:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: usg-sponsored ($maxint) laser shenanigans traditionally involve chemical (that is, single-shot) machines [21:44]
trinque there's something there too about being able to outwit the regulators by virtue of them not having the imagination to conceive the necessary ban [21:44]
asciilifeform loaded like cannon [21:44]
asciilifeform trinque: it isn't like one could cut through a phalanx of usg stormtroopers and stay legally in the clear simply because the machine is not banned per se [21:45]
trinque though I think that tends over time towards ever vaguer "regulations" which amount to "we can stop you for doing anything we deem 'dangerous'" [21:45]
trinque asciilifeform: heh! no, certainly not [21:45]
asciilifeform usg could and did put down rebellion even in the era when arbitrary hardware was permitted to whoever could afford it [21:45]
davout http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048068 <<< absolutely, it's also loads of fun [21:45]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 00:40:05; trinque: there's something there too about being able to outwit the regulators by virtue of them not having the imagination to conceive the necessary ban [21:45]
jurov carbon nanotubes can provide 10 times greater force than steel... that would make for quite an arbalest :> [21:46]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, but if sufficiently crazy/monied/intelligent crackpot produces solid state laser pistol with more than anti vehicle firings per charge that isn't too portable they would likely consider it a purchase [21:46]
jurov don't see how'd ban that [21:46]
jurov laz0rs can be bannet more easily than that [21:46]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: good physical reasons why you would not want to be standing even behind such a thing, much less holding it, when fired [21:46]
jurov *banned [21:46]
asciilifeform what will almost certainly be usg-banned quite soon - and banned the way chemistry as a class was, rather than as specific types of small arm were - is flying machines [21:47]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course, but maybe it might make sense USG-ified on a boat [21:47]
asciilifeform eventually a 'multicopter' (perhaps usg provocateur-piloted) will be used in some loud, public vandalism (graffiti of $landmark or wtf) and it'll be 'reichstag fire' [21:48]
BingoBoingo Ah, you mean like that time Uhaul rented a truck from their yellow competitor to sully that brand [21:50]
asciilifeform ? [21:50]
BingoBoingo The oklahoma scam [21:51]
asciilifeform aha lol [21:51]
BingoBoingo At one point in Civ II I edited the files to add the yellow truck as a unit type [21:52]
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asciilifeform incidentally, to continue an earlier thread with mircea_popescu et al re: 'jungle bullet' - has anyone ever attempted to militarize the old familiar 'hydrogen cannon' ? [21:53]
asciilifeform where the propellant is H and O produced via electrolysis for each shot [21:54]
asciilifeform (and ignited, of course, via electrical spark) [21:55]
BingoBoingo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:45mm_CLGG_figure_1.jpg ??? [21:55]
assbot File:45mm CLGG figure 1.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1C5lt0g ) [21:55]
asciilifeform not quite [21:55]
asciilifeform 'light gas gun' is its own animal, where a gas where speed of sound is faster than in air is used as a 'piston' [21:56]
BingoBoingo Ah [21:56]
asciilifeform typically used in experimental physics, rather than war, because it is rather fussy [21:56]
asciilifeform hmm seems like linked item does use for propellant as well.. [21:56]
BingoBoingo It does, just combusted [21:57]
BingoBoingo next step from that is "scram cannon" [21:58]
asciilifeform at any rate this is a golden toilet [21:58]
asciilifeform but there is no particular reason why the principle cannot be applied to a man-portable small arm [21:58]
BingoBoingo tooling in the big challenge it seems. requires a finer grit than bastard file offers [22:00]
asciilifeform why? [22:00]
asciilifeform fundamentally less precision metalwork needed here [22:00]
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asciilifeform and with correctly-shaped projectile, smooth barrel would suffice [22:01]
asciilifeform potentially bullet itself could even be molded during the process of firing [22:01]
asciilifeform (explosion-forming of vaguely correct quantity of $material) [22:02]
BingoBoingo These still require something of a piston system though? [22:02]
asciilifeform the gas is the piston [22:02]
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BingoBoingo Interesting [22:02]
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jurov get a pipe, seal one one side but connect it to electrolyzer, jam bullet into other side, [22:03]
asciilifeform jurov: that's the basic idea, yes [22:03]
jurov geerate gases, fire...oh need spark plug, too [22:04]
BingoBoingo AH, space musket [22:04]
asciilifeform need to have some notion of stoichiometry and strength of materials to avoid creating self-grenade instead of musket [22:04]
asciilifeform but again this is an ancient idea, not mine. [22:05]
asciilifeform it is interesting to remember that, at a certain velocity, it no longer really matters what a bullet is made of [22:05]
asciilifeform one could literally pierce a tank with a compressed turd [22:05]
asciilifeform -if- it could be made to travel fast enough. [22:06]
asciilifeform (think about micrometeorites, etc. and occasionally there is a cosmic ray travelling with the energy of a well-thrown baseball.) [22:06]
BingoBoingo But a better throw baseball isn't always a faster baseball. [22:07]
BingoBoingo (baseballs have effective target zone too) [22:08]
jurov lol.. someday maybe we learn how to generate cosmic rays with scotch tape [22:08]
BingoBoingo lol [22:09]
BingoBoingo further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34 [22:15]
assbot kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git - Linux kernel source tree ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeBCub ) [22:15]
cazalla for any baldur's gate lovers.. pillars of eternity out in a few weeks, looks interesting http://youtu.be/roK1wzOLT-k?t=15m16s [22:17]
assbot Pillars of Eternity Gameplay 03/07/15 Pax East - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeBN8M ) [22:17]
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asciilifeform 'If however, anyone feels personally abused, threatened, or otherwise uncomfortable due to this process, that is not acceptable. If so, please contact the Linux Foundation's Technical Advisory Board at...' << linus begins to totter ?!!? [22:33]
asciilifeform obligatory >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998178 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-01-2015#998185 [22:34]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:49:56; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: if you were planning to kill someone, would you helpfully tell him first ? << that's not the point. in a normal society, the threat is a fundamental tool to hierarchy building. [22:34]
assbot Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums. [22:34]
BingoBoingo It might be the case linus wavers [22:34]
BingoBoingo Related lols http://developers.slashdot.org/story/15/03/10/2149256/on-firing-open-source-community-members [22:34]
assbot On Firing Open Source Community Members - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeDnrl ) [22:34]
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asciilifeform http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/chaos-practice-and-applications.html << mega-l0l [22:40]
assbot ClubOrlov: Chaos: Practice and Applications ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeDWBe ) [22:40]
asciilifeform ^ worth reading mainly for the slipping car anecdote [22:41]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047818 << actually this is a remarkably good piece on the textual merits. [22:57]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 14:59:37; asciilifeform: http://www.railslove.com/stories/my-way-into-clojure-building-a-card-game-with-om-part-1#Other_Misgivings << mega-l0l (from server logs) [22:57]
mircea_popescu jurov kukuruku is a great name. used to be this shitty wafer when i was a kid, most ridiculous advertisements. [22:58]
asciilifeform кукареку [22:59]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i still fucking hate that piece. the sheer mendacity of rich hickey in saying 'simplicity matters' while crapping all over lisp concept [23:01]
asciilifeform fucker knows what he's doing. not ignorant. [23:01]
asciilifeform see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-3383 . [23:02]
assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1Do4lkZ ) [23:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform but formally, as far as writing is concerned, as far as the art of blogging is concerned, it's a good piece. [23:02]
mircea_popescu i can't be arsed to wade into the merits. [23:03]
asciilifeform i suppose it is 'good' in the sense in which the products of herr goebbels were. [23:03]
mircea_popescu right. [23:03]
mircea_popescu which they definitely were. the russians copied liberally but never equalled [23:04]
asciilifeform whole world copied. [23:04]
mircea_popescu that's more recent [23:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16572 @ 0.0003429 = 5.6825 BTC [+] {2} [23:04]
BingoBoingo I mean the Germans did win the propaganda war. [23:05]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell gavinandresen http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047857 << check it out, the shithead lies about imaginary consensus in december, then "is working" on building the consensus he lied about having, in march. get lost, fucksticks. your gig is up. [23:07]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 18:05:42; thestringpuller: "I’m actually, right now, working on just getting consensus among the five, what I call, core developers — the five developers who have push access to the git code. I think I’m getting close to convincing them that we have a plan that will work. I’m probably going to have to write some more code . . . I think we have a year to eighteen months. I would love the next release of [23:07]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:07]
mircea_popescu "i'm going to pretend like if i find five people that can be bribed, scared or fooled then that's all that was needed to begin with. just, the usg is so ridiculous, toothless and impotent I CANT EVEN SAY WHO THE FUCK THE FIVE WILL BE. hopefully we even find five idiots, or else... whatever, three's enough. one's me, one's me dressed as satoshi, one's me in my wife's panties. win!" [23:08]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [23:09]
assbot Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3VFJHE9.txt ) [23:09]
mod6 lol [23:09]
asciilifeform usg assets don't surrender, they keep doing their thing until the stool is kicked and the rope goes taught. or how did it go. [23:09]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047858 << that part was inevitable. what was evitable, and usually is avoided, but couldn't be and consequently wasn't here is - the whole thing critically failing and in the process exposing them, their methods and the whole farm to public ridicule. [23:10]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 18:08:18; ascii_field: the turdmeisters replacing the genuine blockchain download process with an 'equivalent' one that 'omg111itfinallyscales!!11' - was inevitable [23:10]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the expression is, lolcow. [23:10]
mircea_popescu an internet retard who simply can not stop providing the lolz. [23:10]
mircea_popescu so people just milk it and milk it and milk it. [23:10]
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asciilifeform but they did replace it (with the headers-only crap) and even a buncha morons are running the thing [23:11]
mircea_popescu a buncha morons are running ripple, what's your point ? [23:11]
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mircea_popescu a buncha morons actually believe the song and dance about "ethereum investment" [23:11]
mircea_popescu a buncha morons were all over "neo bee revolution" last spring. [23:11]
mircea_popescu now if only morons mattered. [23:11]
asciilifeform point isn't that gavin&co are 'winning', but that the absence of said winning is not driven home to them [23:11]
mircea_popescu yeah, right. [23:11]
mircea_popescu which is why he's "building consensus", and which is why he's carefully waiting for my lunch breaks. because it's not driven home. [23:12]
asciilifeform they're still alive, well-fed, and polluting the sky [23:12]
mircea_popescu it's home alright. he sleeps with it in bed. [23:12]
mircea_popescu everyone's well fed, including the bums. [23:12]
mircea_popescu notacriteria.jpg [23:12]
mircea_popescu now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order. [23:13]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047863 << the only one that solved the problem the usg backed "teams" are "working towards" i would presume without reading. [23:14]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 18:13:45; ascii_field: http://insidebitcoins.com/news/multiple-teams-creating-bitcoin-based-prediction-markets/30429 << notice what site is missing from this article [23:14]
mircea_popescu it's ok, they've been doing this for years nao. [23:14]
asciilifeform 'parallel world where none of it happened' (tm) [23:14]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047869 << no one knows kakobrekla s dry wit like i do hehehe [23:14]
assbot Logged on 10-03-2015 18:16:24; kakobrekla: ascii_field not missing, 'betmoose' is right there, in the first comment. [23:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30423 @ 0.00032353 = 9.8428 BTC [-] [23:15]
mircea_popescu anyway. so teh usg-vc-turdatron is "building prediction markets" and usgavin is "building consensus" among the "core developers" of a meanwhile obsoleted branch of bitcoin core. [23:16]
mircea_popescu welcome to late 2012 early 2013, i imagine a btc/usd run-up is coming ? [23:16]
asciilifeform we still need a goxoinbase ehem. [23:17]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [23:17]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 291.28, vol: 12500.04342666 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.504, vol: 15536.49063 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 293.98, vol: 65572.1613873 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 292.227045, vol: 223377.47330000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 289.0, vol: 29.73914519 | Volume-weighted last average: 292.369523406 [23:17]
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BingoBoingo ^ mircea_popescu Looks likely [23:18]
mircea_popescu heh. [23:18]
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BingoBoingo most stagnant low in years + recent large scam deaths === bull run impending [23:19]
asciilifeform '2015-03-10 20:02:29 One or More Panels Have Entered Into a Pick And Place Machine' [23:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23566 @ 0.00031952 = 7.5298 BTC [-] [23:19]
mircea_popescu the 200ish wallow is reminiscent (to me) of the $2 wallow [23:19]
mircea_popescu was a great fun time. [23:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048025 << wait wut ?! [23:20]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 00:12:42; cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu [23:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048036 << don't go there. marihuana is coming legal. [23:20]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 00:25:57; asciilifeform: when has usg legalized anything formerly forbidden ? [23:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they'd have to backpedal on 50 yrs. of forced treaties with most of the planet [23:21]
asciilifeform for full-bore legal [23:21]
mircea_popescu it's now going into senate. most states are going off the ganja bust. [23:21]
asciilifeform rather than idiot contradictory crap like the netherlands [23:22]
asciilifeform (where use is legal but production & shipment is prosecuted) [23:22]
mircea_popescu no current western state is capable of noncontradictory, meaningful legislation [23:22]
asciilifeform wasn't speaking, note, of whether usians will smoke weed mostly without harassment (they already have for years) - but of whether fed usg specifically will let go of the bludgeon [23:23]
mircea_popescu strictly because of their sovereignity problem [23:23]
danielpbarron wait wut ?! << https://twitter.com/ofnumbers/status/575445435441000448 [23:23]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> now if ben_vulpes an' mod6 get this show off the ground, it'll be reheheheally fascinating in short order. << just wrapping up the regression of the static binary: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=ny9m6Q3R and after this, we just need to bundle up this thing and sign patches & tar ball. gettin close! [23:23]
assbot /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash core 0.10 was released feb 16 & is now 2nd largest "user agent" (node) on network. https://t.co/MUpvRFk2pP http://t.co/tUExE2e8gF [23:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeHR0U ) [23:23]
mircea_popescu mod6 sweet. [23:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048052 << i knew a chick who kept arbalest. [23:24]
danielpbarron and because assbot and twitter don't get along: "@danielpbarron you are Mircea Popsecu. creator of #bitcoin-asssets, kicked of twitter for violating TOS due to threat on @aantonop" [23:24]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 00:34:58; asciilifeform: my understanding is that in usa, war machines that do not use pyrotechnic effects are not considered 'arms' and are not regulated at the national level [23:24]
mircea_popescu nasty thing, too. could definitely cut down a small amr.y [23:24]
mircea_popescu danielpbarron lol mircea popsicle. [23:25]
mircea_popescu anyway, kakobrekla created bitcoin-assets. [23:25]
asciilifeform laugh or not, bolt will go straight through 'kevlar', 'spektra', etc. anything without solid plates. [23:25]
mircea_popescu yup. [23:25]
mircea_popescu not fast enough for rayon to do anything. powerfdul enough to cut through leather, wood etc [23:26]
asciilifeform cuts the fibers individually (they are designed to contain blunt impact, just as silk - the first ballistic vest material - did) [23:26]
asciilifeform archduke ferdinand, famously, wore one ^ [23:26]
asciilifeform silk vest, that is [23:26]
asciilifeform not arbalest [23:26]
BingoBoingo Ah, cazalla's pice looms just under the threshold for srs reddit xposture https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2ylqkl/alleged_usms_auction_winner_leaves_eldritch/ [23:26]
assbot Alleged USMS Auction Winner Leaves Eldritch Message : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeI848 ) [23:26]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: As did Doc Holliday and other Western gunfighters who lived more than a few weeks into their careers [23:27]
mircea_popescu i thought holliday just had tb. [23:28]
mircea_popescu he also had sv ?! [23:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54000 @ 0.00031846 = 17.1968 BTC [-] {2} [23:29]
BingoBoingo I could have sworn he had one [23:29]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048076 << fwik it's the crankers strength that limits it, not the materials. [23:29]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 00:42:04; jurov: carbon nanotubes can provide 10 times greater force than steel... that would make for quite an arbalest :> [23:29]
BingoBoingo holliday had tb, twas what sent him to the dry west [23:29]
mircea_popescu bows are closer, but even there... [23:29]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: materials. strength can be levered (literally) by gearing [23:30]
asciilifeform but speed of bolt will not exceed speed of sound in the spring [23:30]
asciilifeform thinkaboutit [23:30]
mircea_popescu but levering by gearing slows down the operation. [23:30]
asciilifeform sure. [23:30]
mircea_popescu well it's a problem. [23:30]
asciilifeform still generally faster than musketry. [23:30]
mircea_popescu IF you don't leverage the strength to the point where it isn't :L) [23:30]
BingoBoingo Wind the gears mechanically [23:30]
mircea_popescu that point is way below what steel can carry. [23:31]
mircea_popescu bows are almost limited by materials, but not really, still mostly the archer. crossbows however, it's all the shooter. [23:31]
asciilifeform at any rate, in the age of the arbalest the beryllium-copper spring did not exist. wood was the spring. [23:32]
asciilifeform and was, iirc, pushed to more or less the limit [23:32]
mircea_popescu nah, steel was still the spring./ [23:32]
mircea_popescu steel was used for the x part in the xbow before it was abundant enough to go into swords. [23:33]
BingoBoingo Well, since the 1800's Krupp has done a lot to improve steel strengths and specializations... [23:34]
asciilifeform http://margo.student.utwente.nl/sagi/artikel/steelbow/steel2.html [23:35]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeIOqc ) [23:35]
asciilifeform http://www.atarn.org/letters/ltr_dec04.htm << forensic archaeology, built, tested [23:35]
assbot Letter: December 2004 ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeITdp ) [23:35]
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BingoBoingo I'll just throw out again that less-wrong's propaganda Harry Potter dicided to solve the Voldemort thing by decapitating everyone with carbon nanofiber tightened by magic. [23:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43950 @ 0.00034304 = 15.0766 BTC [+] [23:43]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048128 << i don't understand this open ended "we will work toi resolve your problems" approach. [23:44]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 01:11:28; BingoBoingo: further lol https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit/?id=b0bc65729070b9cbdbb53ff042984a3c545a0e34 [23:44]
mircea_popescu the only thing it does is it encourages "problems" being dreamed up by people who otherwise aren't worth the time of day. [23:44]
mircea_popescu if you don't know how to apply pressure, don't have an avenue to voice your concerns, that means that your concerns aren't worth shit. go die or whatever it is losers do. [23:44]
BingoBoingo Maybe Linus's ace in the whole just might be counting "STFU" as a resolution, but my hope for that is dim [23:44]
asciilifeform linus totters. [23:44]
asciilifeform eventually - falls. [23:44]
mircea_popescu everything fails eventually. guy's been doing it for what, 20 years ? [23:45]
mircea_popescu i don't personally expect anything further from linux. in this sense, he's retired already. [23:45]
asciilifeform 'single point of failure' and enemy knows it. [23:45]
mircea_popescu single point of failure of a meanwhile obsolete position, but hey. enemy loves to pat himself on the back over having "Conquered" the strongpoints of yesteryear, meanwhile abandoned. [23:46]
BingoBoingo thestringpuller: You want a press credential, yes? [23:47]
BingoBoingo ;;google ULC press credential [23:47]
gribble Press Pass & Parking Placard | Universal Life Church Monastery: ; Wallet Sized Press Pass - Universal Life Church: ; Legal ID & Badges - Universal Life Church Store: [23:47]
BingoBoingo It's what I use [23:47]
thestringpuller I iz /w da dly qnt [23:47]
mircea_popescu lol get a hat. [23:48]
mircea_popescu oh, in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/b126231cb86d89ecba1190317bd07302/tumblr_nirxk3XOsI1tcuxu9o1_500.jpg [23:49]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeJZ95 ) [23:49]
BingoBoingo I wonder if this is the late Andreas of the house of derp http://www.loper-os.org/?p=42&cpage=2#comment-16766 [23:49]
assbot Loper OS » Thumbs Down for Clojure ... ( http://bit.ly/1AeK5xw ) [23:49]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:50]
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asciilifeform point re: herr torvalds was, that a healthy culture doesn't consist of a corral of helpless pets and one wizard waving iron staff standing on a bridge doing the 'thou shall not pass' thing [23:55]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048025 << wait wut ?! <<< reference to some guy you might know and have written about before named tim swanson who thought danielpbarron was you, occurred on twitter [23:55]
assbot Logged on 11-03-2015 00:12:42; cazalla: TIL danielpbarron is mircea_popescu [23:55]
cazalla ah nevermind, in the logs.. [23:56]
danielpbarron stoya was here ?! << is this the stoya you were thinking of? -> https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/575129423097147392 [23:58]
assbot Do I know anyone who knows a bitcoin expert? [23:59]
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