Forum logs for 10 Apr 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu o hi there. [00:20]
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mircea_popescu In North America, approximately 25% of the population relies on septic tanks; this can include suburbs and small towns as well as rural areas (Indianapolis is an example of a large city where many of the city's neighborhoods are still on separate septic systems). In Europe, they are in general limited to rural areas only. [01:25]
mircea_popescu im guessing that says all ? [01:26]
kakobrekla too bad it doesnt fit in the topic [01:26]
mircea_popescu well... it is about yurp [01:31]
mircea_popescu On June 1, 2011, two teenagers from Farmingville in Long Island, New York drowned after becoming overwhelmed by fumes and trapped in a backyard cesspool measuring 16-feet deep. [01:41]
mircea_popescu In France, Germany, and Switzerland, cesspits are forbidden. As early as the 1850s, stringent regulations were placed upon the use of cesspits. [01:41]
mircea_popescu lmao vragnaroda, you copying this ? :D [01:41]
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vragnaroda mircea_popescu: I think it's fairly well-established that the Merka has a much lower population density than much of Yurp. [01:46]
mircea_popescu yeaaa... [01:46]
mircea_popescu actually those aren't bad names for not-so-au-clef fiction. the empire of merka and the united yurpean federation of discord. [01:47]
vragnaroda lol [01:47]
mircea_popescu (and ftr, saying the us is mostly rural is one thing. i was talking of long island, ny) [01:48]
mircea_popescu this is like... well not quite ile de la cite, but montreuil or something. [01:49]
vragnaroda That doesn't change that regulators have different overall needs to meet. [01:49]
mircea_popescu still, wouldn't you think it strange if a hundred miles out of paris we'd have rural rurality ? [01:49]
mircea_popescu potato slices powered lamps and all [01:50]
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kakobrekla i love it how this http://images.shareapic.net/images7/026248639.jpg powers the worlds most advanced monetary system [03:26]
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mircea_popescu hallo draco49 [04:14]
draco49 hey whatsup mircea_popescu :) [04:14]
mircea_popescu and ya, i totally appreciate the irony of GAMER GEAR running the world's money. [04:15]
mircea_popescu if you ever heard parents go "o, stop playing games and do something irl" kakobrekla, you can prolly appreciate the irony too :D [04:15]
mircea_popescu not much drac, just about to go to bed. [04:15]
draco49 lol I just woke up [04:15]
mircea_popescu we could marry [04:16]
mircea_popescu wouldn't bother each other [04:16]
draco49 lol [04:16]
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rg mircea [08:16]
rg i finally got ahold of grubles [08:16]
rg but he didnt do what i asked [08:16]
rg so it should be done by tomrrow [08:17]
mircea_popescu aites [08:17]
mircea_popescu how was the wedding rg ? [08:17]
rg dunno [08:22]
rg didnt ask [08:22]
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amiga4000 !bc,convert eur [10:30]
gribble 1 BTC = 4.82902 U.S. dollars = 3.67757216 Euros [10:30]
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rg 4 [12:46]
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mircea_popescu I am forming a new company that will engage into large scale Bitcoin mining. We have concluded a deal with subcontractors to produce for us a significant amount of ASIC based mining hardware (up to 2-3 orders of magnitude more power efficient and dense comparing to GPU based Bitcoin Miners). [13:38]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75298.0 [13:38]
mircea_popescu exactly what i was saying will happen a few weeks ago. [13:38]
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kakobrekla you were saying vladimir will come to the game? [13:44]
kakobrekla i dont have high hopes for him [13:46]
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mircea_popescu nono [13:52]
mircea_popescu i was hmm, lemme see if i can find the log [13:52]
mircea_popescu where was that site that was logging irc ? [13:52]
mircea_popescu meh, i can't find it now. [13:55]
mircea_popescu anyway, i was ranting on -otc about how sooner or later someone's gonna put 10 mn into asics [13:55]
kakobrekla hm [13:56]
kakobrekla i would need 10k eur in btc nao [13:56]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu what about LC [13:58]
mircea_popescu im thinking i'll buy more if it goes to like 2 again [13:58]
mircea_popescu LC ? [13:58]
kakobrekla large coin [13:58]
mircea_popescu i never gave much thought to alt chains [13:58]
kakobrekla no [13:58]
mircea_popescu hm ? [13:58]
kakobrekla its not alt chain [13:58]
kakobrekla its a company working on asics for some time [13:58]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67505.0 [13:59]
kakobrekla did you miss this? [13:59]
kakobrekla anyway [14:00]
kakobrekla right now [14:00]
kakobrekla i wouldnt put my money on asic [14:00]
draco49 never go to India [14:01]
rg theres a reason lots of people dont use ASIC/FPGA to mine [14:05]
rg they pay to get the boards designed, get a prototype, test [14:05]
rg then find out its going to cost them $600k more than they tthought [14:05]
rg ASIC is expensive [14:05]
rg even if youre buying a fuck load [14:06]
rg im fine with it though [14:06]
rg people are finally getting GPU's cheap again [14:06]
kakobrekla i dont see much wrong with fpga at this moment [14:06]
kakobrekla in eu elec is pricey [14:06]
kakobrekla : [14:06]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu, what do you pay for elec [14:06]
rg its expensive here too [14:07]
rg its just trading a short term cost for a long term cost [14:07]
rg er [14:07]
rg other way around [14:07]
rg look at butterfly labs [14:07]
draco49 Here it's like $0.10/kw [14:08]
rg they cant even keep their shipping dates straight [14:08]
rg they will collapse soon [14:08]
rg and keep everyones money [14:08]
kakobrekla hah [14:08]
kakobrekla they wont [14:08]
draco49 Sonny needs to get someone besides his mom to build the devices. [14:08]
rg yeah we'll see [14:08]
rg theyre so behind right now [14:08]
kakobrekla and what is the alternative [14:09]
kakobrekla the only one that is shipping fpgas now is fizz [14:09]
kakobrekla if he hasnt ran out yet [14:09]
rg id trust him over BFL [14:09]
kakobrekla and ztex ok [14:09]
kakobrekla i have both [14:09]
rg if lots of people order from fizz [14:09]
rg he can make bigger orders [14:09]
rg for cheaper [14:09]
kakobrekla icarus is still on the way [14:09]
rg BFL promised a product of a certain spec [14:10]
rg and it wasnt [14:10]
rg thats the first sign theyre noobs [14:10]
kakobrekla i wont order a bfl [14:10]
kakobrekla they might be noobs, they still have the most attention [14:10]
rg looks like bitvps orders picked up this month [14:11]
rg finally [14:11]
rg i was getting worried for a while [14:11]
kakobrekla i said on several occasions.. some fpga sellers on the forums have respect, the other have the money [14:11]
draco49 I want to 50GH/s super rig [14:11]
rg thatd be nice [14:12]
rg what arer all these people gonna do when the block reward halves [14:12]
draco49 Stop mining [14:12]
draco49 then prices will skyrocket [14:12]
draco49 then difficulty will drop [14:12]
rg at least with a FPGA you can reprogram it [14:12]
rg at least multi purpose it [14:12]
rg asic cant [14:12]
draco49 tx fees will go up [14:12]
kakobrekla fpga will stay in the game for long [14:13]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla about 3 cents here [14:13]
draco49 I say hoard all the coins you can between now and the "Quickening". [14:13]
kakobrekla 0.03/kw? [14:14]
kakobrekla kwh [14:14]
draco49 damn that's cheap! [14:14]
mircea_popescu and yea, i did miss the thing. what is it, like a bfl ? [14:14]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu, lets open a mining dc there [14:14]
mircea_popescu problem with fpgas is that they're not designed for burnin use. they are prototyping tools, they work 6 months. 1 year i'd be surprised. [14:14]
rg romania has shit for internet [14:14]
kakobrekla nah mircea_popescu [14:15]
kakobrekla my friend works here http://www.optomotive.com/ [14:15]
kakobrekla they use spartan 6 [14:15]
draco49 http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Meanwhile_0115b6_2593329.jpg [14:15]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla actually i have an entire attic i don't use, but meh [14:15]
kakobrekla and its runing hot at full load 24/7 [14:15]
kakobrekla for a long time [14:15]
mircea_popescu too much hassle to baby the rigs [14:15]
kakobrekla passivley cooled [14:16]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure it'd cool ok tbh [14:16]
mircea_popescu rg : romania is, fyi, like #5 in the world for internet. the us isn't even ion the top 20. [14:16]
kakobrekla attic [14:16]
kakobrekla is too smal [14:17]
mircea_popescu romania is in there with hk singapore etc. [14:17]
kakobrekla for what im thinking [14:17]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla well depends. it's like 150 or so sqm [14:17]
draco49 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ek6cZA3bkV8/Thr8w-ZA2LI/AAAAAAAAAfw/-N8tm8Ovgxw/s1600/romania.jpg [14:17]
rg internet links surrounding romania: [14:17]
kakobrekla can you put ~10 42U racks there? [14:17]
rg bulgaria, turkey, seria, ukraine [14:17]
rg those are some pretty *shitty* links [14:17]
mircea_popescu lmao [14:17]
mircea_popescu actually there's two direct links to the massive german fiber circle. [14:18]
mircea_popescu through hungary. [14:18]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i imagine i could put 20 lol [14:18]
kakobrekla now you are in trouble. [14:19]
mircea_popescu what's a 42u, less than 1 sqm [14:19]
draco49 I found a pic of mircea_popescu before he grew his beard out --> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_vJTHmDDicdo/TU2KA6k05CI/AAAAAAAAAuo/rxKmzJtm0tQ/s1600/the-cable-guy.jpg [14:19]
mircea_popescu lmao drac [14:19]
mircea_popescu there's one on my blog right nao, w/o bearf [14:19]
rg 8 ae-91-91.ebr1.Frankfurt1.Level3.net (4.69.140.13) 8.181 ms 8.156 ms 11.481 ms [14:21]
rg 9 ae-16-16.car2.Bucharest1.Level3.net (4.69.148.17) 37.960 ms 37.965 ms 37.785 ms [14:21]
rg hye [14:23]
rg if you guys were ordering a managed server [14:23]
rg what kind of tasks would you expect them to perform for you [14:23]
rg 1. System Updates [14:23]
rg 2. Security [14:23]
rg 3. System Maintenance [14:23]
rg 4. Add new websites [14:23]
rg 5. Performance tuning [14:23]
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rg ;;ticker [14:26]
gribble Best bid: 4.7811, Best ask: 4.78782, Bid-ask spread: 0.00672, Last trade: 4.79997, 24 hour volume: 48974, 24 hour low: 4.74, 24 hour high: 4.88 [14:26]
rg ;;calc 25 / 4.78 [14:26]
gribble 5.23012552301 [14:26]
kakobrekla all but 4.? [14:27]
kakobrekla :> [14:27]
kakobrekla dunno who buys managed [14:27]
rg lots of people [14:28]
rg tons of people have asked for it [14:28]
rg so im gonn offer it for an extra $25/mo [14:28]
kakobrekla ~90 till gigas release if i see correctly [14:29]
kakobrekla 90minutes [14:29]
kakobrekla fun to watch [14:29]
rg release of what [14:30]
kakobrekla last 500 bonds [14:31]
kakobrekla on glbse [14:31]
kakobrekla gigamining [14:31]
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kakobrekla dont tell me you havent heard of it till now [14:33]
draco49 ppl who can't handle #'s 1-5 shouldn't be allowed to have a VPS [14:34]
rg draco49: i dont discriminate [14:39]
rg if you want a vps and want to pay me to make sure it runs [14:39]
draco49 lol [14:39]
rg i will [14:39]
draco49 I'm just being an elitist prick. [14:40]
rg http://www.bitvps.com/managed-vps/ [14:41]
rg i need someone to check my grammar [14:41]
rg and YEWZ uv da english langwidge [14:41]
draco49 holy tiny text batman [14:44]
rg thats the templates default size [14:45]
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mircea_popescu i buy managed. [14:49]
mircea_popescu if the admin is competent it saves a lot of hassle. [14:49]
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rg well [14:51]
rg i give everyone really good support [14:51]
rg cause im nice [14:51]
rg but its getting to the point where im spending too much time doing it [14:51]
rg for someone who has a $5 vps [14:51]
rg and is requesting $100/mo in support [14:51]
draco49 omg i'm smoking cigarette butts... :( [14:52]
rg so if they are definitely gonna need help [14:52]
rg they can pay an extra $25 [14:52]
draco49 Actually I think managed services is a great idea. I forget how many people there are who don't know this shit. [14:52]
mircea_popescu draco49 : i know the shit, but i also know how to cook [14:53]
mircea_popescu should i never go to restaurant nao ? [14:53]
draco49 NEVER! [14:54]
mircea_popescu lol k [14:54]
mircea_popescu and if a girl knows how to suck the cock i can't ever fuck her again either ? [14:54]
rg lots of people would rather just email someone and say [14:55]
rg 'hey i need this site added to our server and this .zip file of html files put active' [14:55]
rg 'we need a new database created with this login/pass and this schema' [14:55]
rg its not that they cant.. [14:56]
rg they just dont want to [14:56]
mircea_popescu ugh, well... no. [14:56]
mircea_popescu that's not what i mean by managed. [14:56]
mircea_popescu what i mean by managed is "hey, you keep the os updated and make sure everything's patched in time" [14:56]
mircea_popescu also, upgrade to php5. [14:57]
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deegy does anybody other than nelisky do psc>btc? [14:58]
amiga4000 as the use of OSF is limited: barely no one [14:59]
amiga4000 PSF, ysorry [14:59]
rg mircea, yeah i do that too [15:05]
rg but i like to provide a more personal support [15:05]
rg anyone can file a ticket and get service [15:05]
rg but its a lot different if you actually email someone [15:05]
rg tell them what you need in normal terms [15:05]
rg and have them do it for you [15:05]
rg for a fair and reasonable price [15:05]
mircea_popescu The C200 IMU is priced at USD $30,000. We are selling 25 units initially, [15:08]
mircea_popescu jesus fuck. [15:08]
rg rough [15:08]
* mircea_popescu wonders what osf psf and psc are. [15:09]
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deegy paysafecard [15:10]
mircea_popescu a a ty. [15:10]
mircea_popescu The LargeCoin C200 is the world's first purpose-built Bitcoin mining appliance. Designed to fit within a standard 1U of rack space, the C200 connects to the network using Ethernet, and starts mining as soon as it's plugged in to the wall. Mining is controlled via an online control panel hosted by LargeCoin, which allows you to direct mining shares to the pool of your choice and manage your entire LargeCoin cluster in one convenient place. Each [15:10]
mircea_popescu C200 mines at 20GHash/s, consuming a mere 100W. Designed for high density operation, the C200 provides efficient movement of air and is suitable for operating in a fully loaded 42U rack (up to 40 units per rack). [15:10]
mircea_popescu so now here's the problem : i mine 4.5Gh/s via gigavps's permabonds. they cost me 900btc = ~4.5k [15:11]
mircea_popescu this thing would do 5x as much hashing for 6x as much cost, not to mention all the difficulty delay and hassle involved. [15:11]
mircea_popescu welllll... [15:11]
pigeons cool, but I'm not holding my breath [15:11]
mircea_popescu besides, they are trying to pull an apple [15:12]
mircea_popescu When you receive the unit and connect it to the network, you will be granted a temporary mining license enabling the system to mine for a period of 30 days. When we receive the balance of your payment, a permanent mining license will be issued to you. C200 IMUs may be transferred and re-sold -- just let us know before you make the sale so that we can transfer ownership of your license key. [15:12]
mircea_popescu wtf get out license key. [15:12]
mircea_popescu so kakobrekla, were you going to get 10 42U thus putting in there 420 of these things for a total of 8Th/s [15:14]
mircea_popescu which would only cost you a little over a million ? :D [15:15]
draco49 OMG 8TH/s????? [15:15]
mircea_popescu draco49 i think people have big plans around these parts. [15:16]
mircea_popescu in other news, i just went into my garden and cut three hyacinths from under my blooming peach tree. [15:16]
mircea_popescu they smell nice [15:16]
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draco49 I think a 8TH/s solo mining would rock! [15:21]
mircea_popescu lol [15:23]
mircea_popescu it'd kinda present some problems. [15:23]
draco49 I'd be the Lord of the Coins [15:24]
draco49 And i'd make everyone call me Lord Bitcoin [15:25]
amiga4000 I think solo mining 8TH kills it [15:27]
draco49 "I think solo mining 8TH kills it, Lord Bitcoin." [15:28]
draco49 that's how you would say that [15:28]
draco49 It would be a dick move to solo mine at 8TH/s an refuse transactions. [15:30]
mircea_popescu still, the rest of the network pulls 10-11 [15:35]
mircea_popescu so you'd only get less than half. [15:35]
pigeons don't refuse them, charge high fees [15:35]
draco49 "so you'd only get less than half, Lord Bitcoin" [15:36]
draco49 lol [15:36]
mircea_popescu lol [15:39]
mircea_popescu have it your way, lord blowmyhorn [15:40]
rg I think a 8TH/s solo mining would rock! [15:40]
rg haha [15:40]
rg everyone would be PISSED [15:40]
rg the difficulty would skyrocket [15:40]
rg at least double [15:40]
draco49 I'd sit high up on my throne, made from the carcasses of burnt-out GPUs an govern the Bitcoin world. [15:42]
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kakobrekla mircea_popescu, more like 2u unit @ 17gh each, so 340gh per rack... but i wouldnt put it where i cant put at least another few [15:58]
draco49 I've decided that 8TH/s isn't enough... I need 10 [16:04]
mircea_popescu lol draco49 [16:08]
mircea_popescu http://i.imgur.com/iFUkn.gif << draco's dog [16:09]
draco49 lol my pup is bigger than that, but she'd do some shit like that [16:10]
mircea_popescu dog of machinegun lmao [16:12]
mircea_popescu the other dogs are kinda scared haha [16:12]
mircea_popescu and also, gmaxwell commemorative picture of the day : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/133405362648.jpg [16:13]
draco49 lol he hates titty [16:23]
mircea_popescu he who gets no titty hates titty. [16:24]
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mircea_popescu sooo gigavps listed, he's at 1.3/1.8 [16:42]
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draco49 on MPEX? [16:42]
mircea_popescu a, no sadly. [16:43]
mircea_popescu on glbse. [16:43]
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draco49 :'( [16:43]
kakobrekla meh [16:45]
kakobrekla glbse v.1 was more like mpex all cryptic and shit [16:45]
kakobrekla and didnt get much success [16:45]
kakobrekla as soon as it got more user friendly [16:45]
kakobrekla big players came in [16:45]
kakobrekla dont tell me that is not true [16:45]
draco49 I can see that... [16:47]
mircea_popescu maybe so. [16:47]
draco49 For a majority of users, colors, fonts, and UI are big factors. [16:48]
draco49 I think for it to be successful, you have to cater to the lowest common denominator. [16:48]
mircea_popescu i don't. [16:49]
kakobrekla time will tell. [16:49]
draco49 98% of the ppl who come into bitcoin-otc need to have their hands held just to register and auth. [16:49]
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mircea_popescu so how come there's not big trade going in bitcoin-otc-unauth ? [16:50]
draco49 Those people will never be comfortable with the gpg process that you've put in place at MPEX. [16:50]
draco49 Is that even a channel? [16:50]
mircea_popescu it's happenstance that gigavps launched the bond now. glbse got it by virtue of the fact that mpex was still in beta [16:50]
mircea_popescu and out of the 10k btc bond they got like 500 shares. [16:50]
kakobrekla IRC is for hardcore geeks [16:50]
draco49 I'm not talking about gigavps [16:50]
Blitzboom GLBSE is in beta too [16:50]
draco49 I'm talking about the avg user. [16:51]
mircea_popescu well, they claim it. i don't use real money yet is the point. [16:51]
Blitzboom omg bitcoin is in beta. hehe [16:51]
mircea_popescu lol [16:51]
mircea_popescu which reminds me, didja get a mpex reg Blitzboom ? [16:51]
draco49 Big players won't trade on a platform that majority of users don't understand. [16:51]
mircea_popescu you died in the wool glbse fanatic you [16:51]
mircea_popescu draco49 that's such a dumbass statement [16:51]
draco49 No it isn't! [16:51]
mircea_popescu ALL the big players trade EXCLUSIVELY on a system you don' [16:51]
mircea_popescu t even know the name of. [16:51]
Blitzboom nah, i don’t want to deliver personal info [16:52]
mircea_popescu what personal info ?! [16:52]
Blitzboom name [16:52]
Blitzboom or is that just pseudonym [16:52]
mircea_popescu why what ? [16:52]
mircea_popescu dude, just make a key,. [16:52]
Blitzboom also i don’t even have any asset on GLBSE (yet) [16:53]
draco49 mircea_popescu, I already told you I personally like the gpg system. I'm thinking about it from the POV of the avg user. [16:53]
Blitzboom nothing raelly interesting to me [16:53]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/133406598377.jpg are those two pregnant or just fat ? [16:53]
mircea_popescu draco49 i don't really want the average user. [16:53]
kakobrekla no average user, no user base, cant get the ball rolling [16:53]
mircea_popescu pff. there's like 60 accts reg'd already you know ? [16:54]
kakobrekla i am one of them [16:54]
mircea_popescu investment bankers WILL NOT even talk to you if you're lookingto invest under 10 mil. [16:54]
draco49 But businesses that are looking to get exposure for their company, and want an aggressive market, will go where the most users are. [16:54]
mircea_popescu if it works for them it'll work for me. [16:54]
mircea_popescu this is all false. [16:54]
mircea_popescu crummy consumer facing businesses do that. [16:54]
draco49 It's called reality. [16:54]
kakobrekla lol [16:55]
mircea_popescu im in finance, not in fast food. [16:55]
Blitzboom it’s fine, it’s a competing model [16:55]
draco49 I think MPEX could be great, if it had a more user-friendly interface. [16:55]
mircea_popescu i for one am very happy [16:55]
draco49 That's cuz you're a geek like me. [16:55]
mircea_popescu that we've finally found a higher point of contention than the previous o noes css! one [16:55]
draco49 You don't even need css, if you really don't want to make life easier for yourself. Maybe just a few tables, and a different font, and better information organization. [16:56]
mircea_popescu MPEx, the only exchange that hates the user. course, it says it hates it and in fact delivers sweet love, as opposed to all the prickls that say they love him and deliver assrape w/o lube... but hey. [16:56]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu has the logic if other real life entities make it hard for one to invest a lot of money, my interface should be hard and a lot of money will come [16:57]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla lolz no. [16:57]
mircea_popescu dun hate on my logic!! [16:57]
draco49 Big money doesn't even grasp Bitcoin yet. You can't expect to jump into the game with several multi-million dollar businesses on that platform. [16:57]
kakobrekla yep [16:58]
mircea_popescu hey, how much hash to you make kakobrekla ? [16:58]
draco49 etrade, scottrade, etc... they do big business an bring in a lot of money. But my grandmother can use them. [16:58]
mircea_popescu draco49 they make a pittance. [16:59]
draco49 User-friendly and technologically superior are not mutually exclusive. [16:59]
mircea_popescu they sell out the feeds for like, cents [16:59]
draco49 the scottrade guy has a helicopter [16:59]
draco49 you've got a beard [16:59]
mircea_popescu dude get off the tv [16:59]
draco49 lol [16:59]
mircea_popescu etrade made a 1bn loss in 2009 [16:59]
mircea_popescu and that on like 4bn total equity. [17:00]
mircea_popescu -25%. [17:00]
rg ive been to the etrade office [17:00]
rg in stamford, ct [17:00]
rg its fancy [17:00]
mircea_popescu scottrade doesn't even DECLARE what it lost. [17:00]
rg very nice building [17:00]
mircea_popescu yea, well... they're this model of making a loss each sale and hoping to catch up on volume [17:01]
kakobrekla more and more mircea_popescu, why do you ask [17:01]
mircea_popescu cause i wanna know. is it a secret ? [17:01]
kakobrekla i am not disclosing that at this moment [17:02]
mircea_popescu degree of magnitude lol. gh/s ? tens ? hundreds ? [17:02]
rg which bitcoin pool currently has the best pps rate? [17:03]
mircea_popescu eligius :D [17:03]
draco49 mircea_popescu, why don't you just make the site that YOU want and lock yourself and the server in a secure basement cut off from the internet? [17:03]
mircea_popescu draco49 what, and pass on the chance of pissing everyone off in the process ? [17:04]
draco49 There's gotta be some middle-ground between the so-dry-it's-about-to-burst-into-flames format you've got now, and GLBSE [17:04]
Blitzboom fuck middleground [17:05]
mircea_popescu fuck middle... what ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu and re the beard-helicopter : i got a switch. [17:05]
draco49 ok, so make a teletubbies version for Blitzboom, and and advanced yet usable version for the masses [17:05]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu, it wont reach hudreds if i dont move... to romania or some shit. on that note, i just had a guy over who has a lead there, so maybe some shit will happen [17:06]
mircea_popescu draco49 : you know it takes you like three hours to hack some perl together to talk to the mpex and make whatever broker site you want. [17:06]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla : why don' you offer a perpetuity like amazingrando gigavps etc ? [17:06]
mircea_popescu onnnn MPEx ? :D [17:06]
draco49 http://bestofmeanwhilein.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/meanwhile-in-romania-bucket-bath-555x450.jpg [17:06]
mircea_popescu meanwhile in ma basement : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ [17:07]
draco49 So you just wan MPEX to be the "engine" powering other exchanges? [17:07]
draco49 I'm telling gmaxwell on you. [17:07]
draco49 That was not appropriate ;) [17:08]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:08]
draco49 I like how the 'fro is either on your head or on your face, but no in-between. [17:08]
rg http://i.imgur.com/INmp9.jpg [17:08]
mircea_popescu there, 3rd pic : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/a-nins-a-nins/ [17:09]
rg nsfw [17:09]
rg well maybe [17:09]
mircea_popescu pretend the snow is gmaxwell. [17:09]
rg its not nudity [17:09]
draco49 lol [17:10]
draco49 It's funnier if you translate it into english. [17:10]
mircea_popescu i bet lmao [17:10]
mircea_popescu lemee see here [17:10]
mircea_popescu If all the snow, the case was fresh out little bitches, right? I do. [17:11]
draco49 Pai hai sa ne pisam pe el de cioroi infect atunci… [17:11]
draco49 that's not appropriate. [17:11]
mircea_popescu Daca tot a nins, e cazul sa scoatem putin catelele la aer proaspat, nu ? Ba da. = Since it snowed anyway, it'd be time to take the bitches out for some fresh air, no ? O yes. [17:11]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu, before i do that i need to have hw sorted and cheap collo sorted and i doubt its gonna be on mpex if you continiue not to listen to anyone who whishes you success [17:12]
kakobrekla and i do think we have a point [17:13]
kakobrekla even if you think we dont [17:13]
mircea_popescu wellllll... what can i tell you. what'd that point be ? [17:13]
rg lol damn it [17:13]
rg this guy signed up for a yearly VPS [17:13]
* kakobrekla facepalms. [17:14]
kakobrekla not to you rg [17:14]
rg but the email he used is a tormail and its invalid [17:14]
kakobrekla but to mp [17:14]
rg so i have 0 way of contacting this ddue [17:14]
draco49 doh! [17:14]
rg to give him any information [17:14]
draco49 did he put tormail.com? [17:14]
rg yes! [17:14]
draco49 it's tormail.net [17:14]
rg ok cool [17:14]
draco49 give that a shot [17:15]
mircea_popescu but srsly! i mean... it should be more what ? [17:15]
mircea_popescu more less ? i dont want it to be more less. [17:15]
draco49 not more less [17:15]
draco49 or more more [17:15]
draco49 more different is more like it [17:15]
draco49 As it is, it looks like 1993 [17:16]
kakobrekla 92 [17:16]
draco49 At least make it look like 2004 [17:16]
rg good work draco [17:16]
draco49 np [17:16]
rg i never wouldve figured that out [17:16]
draco49 I only knew that cuz I have a tormail acct an i've entered tormail.com on more than one occasion. [17:17]
mircea_popescu lol [17:17]
draco49 mircea_popescu, let's go through the basics... [17:17]
mircea_popescu at least he's honest. [17:17]
mircea_popescu ok, lets! [17:17]
draco49 we'll start easy... font [17:17]
draco49 change it [17:17]
rg i need to disable the WHMCS bridge [17:17]
rg without it, tor ips arent blocked anymore [17:17]
rg so sketchy people have been signing up [17:17]
draco49 I was thinkin about setting up a mail server for otc-reg'd bitcoin users [17:18]
draco49 bitmail [17:18]
mircea_popescu what ?! [17:18]
draco49 the font... [17:18]
mircea_popescu the font bitmail ? lol [17:18]
mircea_popescu stop confusing me. what font do you like ? [17:19]
draco49 no, I was going back to your issue [17:19]
draco49 The actual font you are using is OK, but it's too small. [17:19]
mircea_popescu too small !? [17:19]
draco49 I think an arial or verdana 12pt would be more appropriate. [17:19]
mircea_popescu ugh wtf this is like 14, or whatever your system has for default. [17:20]
draco49 That's not a 14pt TTF [17:20]
draco49 you use system-std font [17:20]
mircea_popescu yes. [17:20]
mircea_popescu mine's set to 14. why do you have your std font set too small ? [17:20]
draco49 throw in a [17:21]
mircea_popescu and WHY do you expect ME to fix your std font ?! [17:21]
kakobrekla ^^ [17:21]
kakobrekla good luck with your venture. [17:21]
draco49 My font is set fine... since I live in 2012, I expect web developers to set their own font. Sys-std is not acceptable. [17:21]
draco49 I don't expect you to change my std font... I expect you to provide your own font and style. [17:22]
mircea_popescu i am without speech. [17:22]
draco49 lmao [17:22]
kakobrekla :D [17:22]
amiga4000 yeah, each c64 with webbrowser do get yopu font, great. [17:22]
amiga4000 even each mobile or tv with web... [17:22]
draco49 why the hell are you talking about Commodore 64's???? [17:23]
draco49 You need to get off the Commodore kick, amiga4000 [17:23]
amiga4000 because even C64 do have webbrowsers. [17:23]
mircea_popescu dude, this may come as a shock to you [17:23]
draco49 They were great back in 1983 but seriously. [17:23]
mircea_popescu but not everyone lives in the us, not everyone has a two bedroom single window no dresser unit [17:23]
amiga4000 or other systems with limited features [17:23]
mircea_popescu and not everyone has a monitor the exact size and orientation yours is. [17:23]
draco49 I know, you had walk uphill, both ways, in the snow to school everyday. [17:23]
mircea_popescu some people look at this thing on their fucken plasma tv. [17:23]
draco49 you hash transactions with graph paper and pencil [17:24]
mircea_popescu well i certainly am not going to "fix" an imaginary limitation of the site by... limiting who can use it. [17:24]
draco49 lollolololol [17:24]
draco49 you're totally not hearing me [17:24]
mircea_popescu mebbe not [17:25]
draco49 I'm saying the exact opposit. [17:25]
mircea_popescu you want me to specify a font that's adequate to your system. [17:25]
amiga4000 even if it is 2012 and all GUI effects seems to be fancy, dillo still exists [17:25]
draco49 NO! [17:25]
mircea_popescu i have no fucken way of knowing what system you will use. [17:25]
amiga4000 or w3m without pictures [17:25]
amiga4000 and they are used [17:25]
draco49 amiga4000, beat it! [17:25]
mircea_popescu i actually mostly use lynx [17:25]
amiga4000 and website which are useless in dillo or w3m are shit and not to be used. [17:25]
amiga4000 as they are not useable by e.g. blind people [17:26]
draco49 The web must be a wondrous place for both of you. [17:26]
mircea_popescu it is, actually. [17:26]
amiga4000 accessability and useability are the terms [17:26]
amiga4000 I do care about the blind as you seems not to be [17:26]
draco49 I don't care about the blind either [17:27]
mircea_popescu this is slowly turning into a better version of the -otc i see [17:27]
mircea_popescu i am just about as confused. [17:27]
draco49 hehe [17:27]
mircea_popescu srsly draco49, let's start simple like you say [17:28]
mircea_popescu i specify 14 point font, [17:28]
draco49 ok, let me try to make my point [17:28]
mircea_popescu you try to use it on a palm sized ipad. [17:28]
mircea_popescu what nao ? [17:28]
draco49 forget about font specifics [17:28]
mircea_popescu scrollalot ? [17:28]
amiga4000 so, yeah, draco49, built your own private net as MS did with early IE 4,5,6 and die slowly.... [17:28]
draco49 amiga4000, I kinda want to put my boot up your ass. Shut yer mouth so I can have a convo with mircea_popescu [17:28]
mircea_popescu omg why the hate [17:29]
draco49 You're going off ona tagent that has NOTHING to do with what I'm talking about [17:29]
mircea_popescu mk, lets get back [17:29]
draco49 yep... ok [17:29]
draco49 it's not about font size [17:29]
mircea_popescu k. [17:29]
amiga4000 draco49: lol, you get rude, my friend, you get rude [17:29]
amiga4000 thats not a style of discussion, thats a kind of "i hate you" [17:29]
amiga4000 and thats aperson to be disliked and no more make any conversation with. [17:30]
draco49 amiga4000, seriously, I'm trying to have a productive discussion with mircea_popescu and you seem to keep interrupting. [17:30]
draco49 I apologize if I came off a bit harsh. [17:30]
draco49 Anyway [17:31]
amiga4000 draco49: so you do know the term ignore? [17:31]
amiga4000 or even query? [17:31]
mircea_popescu it's an irc chan draco49, chillax. [17:31]
draco49 no I know nothing... now move along [17:31]
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amiga4000 this is IRC, something color and picture less... and even fontless and multi-users chat room [17:31]
mircea_popescu o ya, come to think about it... fonts are fucken small in my xchat [17:31]
mircea_popescu where's that freenode support chan ? [17:31]
amiga4000 if it does not suite you, choose a better solution like skype, msn, icq, facebook, query,.. [17:31]
draco49 ok mircea_popescu i'll come back and talk to you later [17:32]
mircea_popescu dun go off in anger [17:32]
mircea_popescu just, you know, we're shootin the breeze here k ? [17:32]
kakobrekla yeah, we are on -otc level now :> [17:33]
mircea_popescu lol what it took, 48 hours or some shit ? [17:33]
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amiga4000 !bc,convert eur [17:34]
gribble 1 BTC = 4.85046 U.S. dollars = 3.70575292 Euros [17:34]
mircea_popescu my oh my it's almost back [17:35]
draco49 amiga4000, I apologize for snapping at you. It's early here and I've been awake for a long time. I'm not normally nasty, and I don't want people to think I am. [17:35]
amiga4000 It is ok, I am used to IRC and behaviours, so far, get lucky with your ideas and chat, I am off now. [17:36]
mircea_popescu it's ok draco49 i don't think you are either. [17:36]
draco49 Well have a nice afternoon. [17:36]
mircea_popescu here, have a fearsome octopus http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128236197520.jpg [17:38]
draco49 Without making a specific layout recommendation at this point, I think MPEx would do well with an aesthetic makeover. [17:38]
draco49 Let's start from there. [17:39]
draco49 Forget about what's there... let's break it down... [17:39]
mircea_popescu i intend to draco49 [17:39]
mircea_popescu move the text to a special page once it's live. [17:39]
draco49 You've got two basic site components... front-en and back-end [17:39]
kakobrekla give some of that nsfw mp, we are all adults here [17:41]
draco49 The back-end consists of the gpg processing functions and, I'm assuming, a database. [17:41]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla it's expensive, the nsfw. gotta save it. [17:41]
mircea_popescu draco49 aha ? [17:41]
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kakobrekla trade:2@0.505:FPGA.CONTRACT:1334068244 [17:42]
kakobrekla omg people are ignorant [17:42]
draco49 The front-end provides the user with several mechanisms. [17:42]
mircea_popescu hm ? [17:42]
draco49 It provides an overview of the whole market [17:43]
draco49 A method of executing commands. [17:43]
draco49 and a basic instructional [17:43]
draco49 Let's work off the assumption that the back-end is all good. The gpg system is flawless, and the database is well-designed and secure. [17:44]
mircea_popescu ok... [17:44]
draco49 That being the case, the front-end is the part that needs work. [17:45]
mircea_popescu by definition :p [17:45]
draco49 The front-end needs to be logical in its layout and content organization, and appealing on some level to the end user. [17:46]
draco49 and yes, my front-end can always use some work ;) [17:46]
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mircea_popescu do you understand the principal means to use that exchange is by going echo "STAT" | gpg --clearsign | gpg --encrypt --armor -r F1B69921 [17:47]
mircea_popescu or whatever the hell else ? [17:47]
draco49 As it is now, the core elements are in place. You've got a simple layout that provides a market overview, a way to execute commands, and instructions. [17:47]
draco49 yes [17:47]
draco49 I get that [17:47]
mircea_popescu k. [17:47]
mircea_popescu and that this can then be curled directly into it, bypassing the web interface altogether ? [17:48]
draco49 But those elements on the front-end are not appealing visually (which is the way a lot of people process information), the method of inputting commands is not "easy" or obvious. And the instructions are worded in a very dry, academic fashion. [17:50]
draco49 and again, I'm speaking from the point of view of an average user [17:50]
mircea_popescu aha... [17:50]
draco49 Let me ask you this... [17:50]
draco49 would you allow me to re-write the front end? [17:51]
mircea_popescu yup. [17:51]
draco49 Not for money... I want to do it to show you an example of my points. [17:51]
mircea_popescu go ahead. [17:52]
draco49 I think that demonstrating will go a lot further than explaining. [17:52]
mircea_popescu possibly so. [17:53]
draco49 And i'm not saying that what I come up with will be specifically what you want, but maybe it will give you some ideas, or help you see it in a different light. [17:54]
mircea_popescu sure man, it can;'t hurt [17:55]
mircea_popescu ima go walk teh doggies. [17:55]
mircea_popescu so you got a few hours. [17:55]
draco49 sounds good :) [17:55]
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