Forum logs for 09 Mar 2014
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
moiety | been as well just paying him | [00:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform http://leahmcgrathgoodman.com/haters/ | [00:03] |
mircea_popescu | kinda lulzy stuff. | [00:03] |
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mircea_popescu | "I would bet 0.1btc asicminer pays more in divs the following year." | [00:06] |
mircea_popescu | SIXTY BUX | [00:06] |
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kakobrekla | call it an investment | [00:10] |
ThickAsThieves | “Ms. McGrath…my apologies for saying this, you don’t have a clue that you are clueless. If you have the guts to debate me in the press, send me your email address and let’s have it out.” | [00:11] |
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ThickAsThieves | hey at least he wants to be | [00:12] |
ThickAsThieves | bet | [00:12] |
ThickAsThieves | make it happen | [00:12] |
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ThickAsThieves | maybe he loses $600 come resolution | [00:12] |
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kakobrekla | he wont bet really, not even .1 | [00:13] |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla has it. | [00:32] |
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mircea_popescu | why do scammers manage to retain so little of the btc they scam ? well... "We also believe candor benefits us as managers: the CEO who misleads others in public may eventually mislead himself in private." | [00:43] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 269 @ 0.000898 = 0.2416 BTC [+] | [00:50] |
ThickAsThieves | mp you gonna start a elder scrolls online guild too? | [00:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2312 BTC [+] | [00:51] |
ThickAsThieves | http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/703 | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | i never got into that, | [00:51] |
mircea_popescu | but why don't you start it ? | [00:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'm hoping i can avoid playing it at all | [00:53] |
ThickAsThieves | otherwise 80-800 hours gone | [00:53] |
Duffer1 | i'm pretty disappointed in the latest crop of mmos | [00:54] |
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ThickAsThieves | i ran a guild once in WoW, started off okay, ended up a slave | [00:54] |
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mircea_popescu | i've been running a rift guild for what, 4 months ? | [00:56] |
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ThickAsThieves | Duffer1 this one looks okay, though it seems to borrow from Rift a bit | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | it has ~900 members, and i kick ass at it :D | [00:56] |
mircea_popescu | also dominate the ah, but that's usually the case with me | [00:57] |
ThickAsThieves | you must not participate in raiding | [00:57] |
mircea_popescu | i do not. | [00:57] |
mircea_popescu | i never do, i have 5-6 legatii milites to do it | [00:57] |
Duffer1 | i've watched some twitch footage of eso, it doesn't look like my type of game, but it's an mmo so i'll still probably play it a bit hehe | [00:58] |
ThickAsThieves | i only play dota 2 really | [00:58] |
Duffer1 | leading raids reminds me of herding cats | [00:58] |
ThickAsThieves | i like that it's just 45min and over | [00:58] |
ThickAsThieves | yet you can play 100s of games and still learn | [00:58] |
Duffer1 | blizz's new moba looks like a lot of fun | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | raids are really too much like low level sales jobs. | [00:59] |
mircea_popescu | at least to my taste. | [00:59] |
ThickAsThieves | didnt know they had a moba, neat! | [01:00] |
ThickAsThieves | that card game they have looks tarded | [01:00] |
Duffer1 | if you can get a core group of competent players on a set schedule then raiding can be a lot of fun | [01:00] |
Duffer1 | heroes of the storm i believe it's going to be called | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | raiding is a paradox that can't be solved | [01:01] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 but it still consists of following a set procedure and talking to people on the phone. | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | it would be fun if you remove dthe shitty parts | [01:01] |
ThickAsThieves | but the shitty parts are why people raid | [01:01] |
cazalla | raiding is dead | [01:01] |
Duffer1 | it becomes more about the hanging out with friends than the raiding | [01:01] |
cazalla | it's not really about skill, it's a social thing now | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | so then you suck at raiding. | [01:02] |
ThickAsThieves | lol | [01:02] |
ThickAsThieves | indeed | [01:02] |
cazalla | look at the first year of WoW versus the pos it is now | [01:02] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla didn't wow end up giving noobs max level just to prop their numbers for investors conference call ? | [01:02] |
ThickAsThieves | when i was in a hardcore WoW guild, with real progression, the leader was a total drill sergeant | [01:02] |
ThickAsThieves | probly cuz it's all that works | [01:02] |
KRS-One | i tried WoW. hated it.. warcraft2 ftw. zug zug. | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, middle management for mcdonalds. | [01:03] |
Duffer1 | hehe | [01:03] |
cazalla | ThickAsThieves: it worked well | [01:03] |
mircea_popescu | "you gotta move the broom like so!" | [01:03] |
cazalla | I did DKP for my guild, it was like taking the high school drop out and making him a cop | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | i made my own system for loot | [01:03] |
ThickAsThieves | just to appease everyone | [01:04] |
ThickAsThieves | you know how that ended up | [01:04] |
cazalla | WoW didn't really compare to Everquest though, that game was social + hardcore, none of this soloing rubbish | [01:04] |
ThickAsThieves | despite every subtlety to be fair, it never mattered | [01:04] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves did you scam them ? | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | never | [01:05] |
Duffer1 | cazz going to play eq next? | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | you cant lead and get good loot | [01:05] |
mircea_popescu | i wonder what thery say if i asked them :D | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | pfff | [01:05] |
ThickAsThieves | while they wouldnt say i scammed, many would say they disagreed with choices | [01:05] |
cazalla | reputation mattered in everquest as well, doesn't matter for shit in WoW | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | some veteren would show up after months away and expect the best loot, some noob would die first for 10 weeks and expect same drop | [01:06] |
mircea_popescu | sounds legit. | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | no one's happy unless they are getting loot | [01:06] |
ThickAsThieves | only solution is, randomize the loot | [01:07] |
cazalla | unless your item never drops | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | no one is happy unless they are getting more than they estimated they're worth, and everyone's overestimating his own importance. | [01:07] |
cazalla | bow off chromagg never dropped for me in 2 years : | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | that's why governments which make a point of subjects' hapiness never end well. | [01:07] |
ThickAsThieves | it's odd that these games never implemented their own DKP systems | [01:07] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla why not just buy it | [01:07] |
ThickAsThieves | i guess drama builds adoption | [01:08] |
ThickAsThieves | just like btc | [01:08] |
cazalla | wasn't something you could buy mircea_popescu | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | ew | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | see, this is fucktarded. i would never play a game where you can't buy everything | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | it is an insult to everything i hold right proper and important. | [01:08] |
ThickAsThieves | surely rift has raid-only drops | [01:08] |
Duffer1 | bind on pickup has it's place though surely | [01:08] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 bind on equip. | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | bind on pickup is offensive, i'd rather date leah. | [01:09] |
cazalla | mircea_popescu: there was a server in EQ like that which allowed everything to be traded so there was a lot of buying/selling going on for that server | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | with her oblong trucker stop face. | [01:09] |
Duffer1 | ha | [01:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2948 BTC [+] | [01:09] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves rift is of the azn economic persuasion | [01:11] |
mircea_popescu | (it has like 50+ currency types, it's insane, tokens of this, tokens of that) | [01:11] |
Duffer1 | is there no bind on pickup in rift? i only played the beta | [01:12] |
ThickAsThieves | but no raid-only drops? | [01:12] |
ThickAsThieves | i find that very hard to believe | [01:12] |
ThickAsThieves | raiders must feel special | [01:12] |
cazalla | yes, i must feel superior to the scrubs | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves there's raid-only materials | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | required in crafting | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | afaik nothing is bound unless you equip it | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | thre are some bound to char/acct stuff you buy via the fiat shop | [01:13] |
ThickAsThieves | but no Legendary Shield of Final Boss? | [01:13] |
mircea_popescu | well in fairness i craft epic items and moist everyone doesn't have them | [01:14] |
mircea_popescu | there's no relics crafted yet, too expensive | [01:14] |
mircea_popescu | there's legendary and i think 2 more rarities past that | [01:14] |
mircea_popescu | so plenty of room for surprises. | [01:14] |
ThickAsThieves | these Bliz moba videos arent very compelling | [01:14] |
ThickAsThieves | it's funny how Dota basically riffed off Bliz characters already | [01:15] |
ThickAsThieves | so now the Bliz moba feels deriviative | [01:15] |
ThickAsThieves | (sp) | [01:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [MS] 36 @ 0.004597 = 0.1655 BTC [+] | [01:15] |
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mircea_popescu | derivative | [01:15] |
Duffer1 | how does bitcoin integrate to your guild MP? | [01:16] |
cazalla | bliz moba will just be another social game with a shop so you can spend more money on flair | [01:16] |
mircea_popescu | Duffer1 you can buy plat for it | [01:16] |
cazalla | i hope and mmo brings bitcoin into a game and does away with their own in game currency, that'd be interesting in a game with a solid crafting system | [01:17] |
cazalla | an* | [01:17] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla you heard of s.mg ? | [01:17] |
Duffer1 | i see | [01:17] |
cazalla | is that your mmo? | [01:17] |
ThickAsThieves | i'd play dota 2 way more if btc was on the line | [01:17] |
cazalla | i saw pics of that on your blog i believe unless i'm wrong, forget the name | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla it's this company that's been working for half a year at making a bitcoin based mmo | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | with a strong crafting system | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | exacrtly what you were describing | [01:18] |
cazalla | what's the name again | [01:18] |
cazalla | of the game | [01:18] |
mircea_popescu | eulora | [01:18] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves im pretty sure you'll be hooked once it's playable. | [01:19] |
mircea_popescu | imo the only games worth playing anymore are btc games, if well done. | [01:19] |
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Duffer1 | do people actually buy plat for btc? | [01:20] |
Duffer1 | er with* | [01:20] |
ThickAsThieves | i almost wanna get into 3d modelling just to bank off all the hat buyers | [01:21] |
ThickAsThieves | modeling | [01:21] |
Duffer1 | hehe | [01:21] |
cazalla | ugh hats | [01:21] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves will be a good skill ot have, get btc off smg too | [01:21] |
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ThickAsThieves | i imagine i have good base knowledge with years of vector art experience in 2d | [01:22] |
cazalla | i wonder if using bitcoin as in-game currency would stop mudflation | [01:23] |
wao-ender | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aWZ2z4x_700b_v1.jpg | [01:23] |
mircea_popescu | cazalla thats the plan | [01:23] |
wao-ender | cazalla: is there problem to make it as in-app payments? | [01:23] |
wao-ender | I think it's happening already | [01:23] |
cazalla | wao-ender: depends if it's only used to buy products from the company or if players can do trade | [01:24] |
wao-ender | ex. buy levels in game, buy experience, skills.. | [01:24] |
cazalla | i hate that sort of thing | [01:25] |
cazalla | allow players to buy/sell items or w/e else they find in the world but that's it | [01:25] |
wao-ender | wait, you don't remember how shareware worked few decades ago? | [01:25] |
cazalla | no, i had full version of stuff | [01:25] |
cazalla | paying to upgrade skills or levels is pay to win | [01:26] |
wao-ender | that's what consumers want, easy win | [01:26] |
ThickAsThieves | i think a certain amount of paying to level is fine | [01:26] |
cazalla | buying/selling items that i find legitimately in game is just common sense | [01:26] |
ThickAsThieves | particularly in a game like WoW | [01:26] |
wao-ender | obviously, retards will pay. | [01:26] |
cazalla | ThickAsThieves: you end up with more idiots who don't know how to play their class that way | [01:27] |
ThickAsThieves | well i said a certain amount | [01:27] |
ThickAsThieves | let me explain | [01:27] |
ThickAsThieves | for example once youve max lvl'd | [01:27] |
ThickAsThieves | let me roll another character without doing every stupid quest again | [01:28] |
ThickAsThieves | it's insulting | [01:28] |
wao-ender | it's imba, right. | [01:28] |
cazalla | you need to make the leveling process slow if you do it that way imo | [01:29] |
cazalla | just so that it actually means something to have a max level character | [01:29] |
ThickAsThieves | sure, maybe the first time, and less and less each time after | [01:29] |
Duffer1 | i like how wow eventually tackled that problem | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | likein WoW, there was often a shortage of tanks and healers | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | so i had to roll them myself as leader | [01:30] |
cazalla | although i will agree that with an older game like WoW, it makes sense to let people buy levels as it's population heavy at the top end | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | fuck me if i'm gonna spend all the time to level | [01:30] |
Duffer1 | with legacy honor gear that's tradable to your alts that give massive xp bonuses | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | i just bought more accounts | [01:30] |
ThickAsThieves | they introduced that around the time i stopped playing | [01:31] |
ThickAsThieves | wraith king expansion | [01:31] |
Duffer1 | ya they introduced it wayyyy too late | [01:31] |
cazalla | i quit after that wotlk, far too much hand holding, it became really boring | [01:31] |
Duffer1 | same | [01:31] |
ThickAsThieves | and they got very lazy on raid design | [01:32] |
ThickAsThieves | like the Arena raid | [01:32] |
ThickAsThieves | ugh | [01:32] |
Duffer1 | i have no interest in mists of pandas or the new one | [01:32] |
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cazalla | i'm looking forward to EQN but i doubt it'll be as hardcore as the original, that's not so bad once you have kids though | [01:32] |
ThickAsThieves | it's also insulting how often they'd reuse models | [01:32] |
Duffer1 | eqn looks very interesting | [01:33] |
ThickAsThieves | it seems stupid, but dota 2 letting you buy outfits is such a better solution then just not designing new ones | [01:33] |
ThickAsThieves | than | [01:33] |
cazalla | yet to play that but i assume outfits are just their version of LoL skins? | [01:34] |
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ThickAsThieves | dota 2 is very much like LoL yes | [01:34] |
ThickAsThieves | in LoL i think it's entire outfits | [01:35] |
ThickAsThieves | where in dota it's pieces | [01:35] |
ThickAsThieves | like hat or clothes or helmet | [01:35] |
cazalla | that sounds better | [01:35] |
ThickAsThieves | but they let you replace entire parts really | [01:35] |
ThickAsThieves | and models can add particle effects etc | [01:36] |
ThickAsThieves | some even come with new voice acting | [01:36] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm not terribly familiar with LoL, even though it's more popular | [01:36] |
ThickAsThieves | i hat ethe art style | [01:36] |
ThickAsThieves | that borderlands kinda shit | [01:37] |
ThickAsThieves | ugly | [01:37] |
Duffer1 | woah | [01:37] |
Duffer1 | woah | [01:37] |
cazalla | i don't mind it | [01:37] |
Duffer1 | borderlands art is infinitely better than lol | [01:37] |
Duffer1 | LoL | [01:37] |
cazalla | disagree it's borderlands type though as i hate that style too | [01:37] |
ThickAsThieves | i dont play that either | [01:37] |
ThickAsThieves | sorry | [01:37] |
ThickAsThieves | LoL just looks cheap | [01:38] |
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Duffer1 | i agree | [01:38] |
ThickAsThieves | dota 2 is much better | [01:38] |
cazalla | cheap runs on more computers which i would guess is why it's so popular, it'll run on a calculator | [01:38] |
Duffer1 | try the first borderlands if you're into rpgs | [01:38] |
ThickAsThieves | basically dota 2 riffed off WoW and removed some of the cartoony aspects | [01:38] |
ThickAsThieves | like everything being super blocky | [01:39] |
ThickAsThieves | just cuz 3d designers are super lazy | [01:39] |
ThickAsThieves | or underpaid | [01:39] |
Duffer1 | or bad :P | [01:40] |
ThickAsThieves | ya | [01:40] |
Duffer1 | in wow i always got the sense that the texture artists were really unhappy with the models they got | [01:40] |
ThickAsThieves | i dont see how they could not be the same team | [01:41] |
ThickAsThieves | i think their budget was just nil | [01:41] |
Duffer1 | it's like they had one modeller doing everything, who's style showed throughout every piece of gear, and the rest of the team were disgruntled texture artists | [01:42] |
Duffer1 | i don't miss wow hehe, i do miss cracking out on a good mmo though, it's been a really long time | [01:43] |
ThickAsThieves | it sounds silly but ugly models definitely contributed to me losing interest in raiding too | [01:43] |
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ThickAsThieves | they didnt appreciate vanity enough | [01:43] |
Duffer1 | exactly | [01:43] |
ThickAsThieves | as LoL and Dota make quite clear | [01:43] |
Duffer1 | if you're going to make every lvl 80 character class look the same in end game then you better damned well make them look good | [01:44] |
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ThickAsThieves | illidan warglaives probly made them millions of $ | [01:44] |
Duffer1 | ha probably | [01:44] |
ThickAsThieves | 10s of millions maybe | [01:44] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves alternatively, don't allow a second character at all. | [01:49] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: unrelated - from what part of the world is mpoepr ? | [01:50] |
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mircea_popescu | california | [01:50] |
asciilifeform | flower in the desert. | [01:50] |
ThickAsThieves | how do you disallow more characters whilst allowing new accounts? | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | for instance by removing the incentive to make one | [01:51] |
mircea_popescu | why do you want to play anything other than your character anyway ? because inept game design introduced artificial barriers perhaps ? | [01:51] |
ThickAsThieves | what if i wanna have a druid AND a vampire? | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | well your druid will die anyway, and permadeath | [01:52] |
Duffer1 | i had one of every class to learn pvp weaknesses | [01:52] |
mircea_popescu | you can make his kid a vampire | [01:52] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform california is a big place you know | [01:52] |
ThickAsThieves | mp did you ever play that iOS game where every time you die you are the son? | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves no ? | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | i don't think i ever played an ios game | [01:53] |
ThickAsThieves | whats it called someone help me | [01:53] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-charged-killing-parents-california-mansion-article-1.1714754 | [01:53] |
ThickAsThieves | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Blade | [01:53] |
ozbot | Infinity Blade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | [01:53] |
ThickAsThieves | you pass on your armory | [01:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5409 @ 0.00083137 = 4.4969 BTC [+] | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | so your son can fight the good fight | [01:54] |
mircea_popescu | sounds like eulora. | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | simple but cool game | [01:54] |
ThickAsThieves | made tons of $ | [01:54] |
asciilifeform | from the same rag, 'Canadian man who poked holes in condoms to impregnate girlfriend loses appeal' | [01:55] |
cazalla | ThickAsThieves: rogue legacy? | [01:55] |
ThickAsThieves | Infinity Blade | [01:55] |
asciilifeform | 'Army captain cries during general’s court martial over alleged sex misconduct' | [01:55] |
mircea_popescu | "The two went through a contentious divorce in 1999 but remained friends, business partners and housemates sharing the $3.7 million, six bedroom, eight bathroom home." | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | someone needs to explain this open | [01:56] |
mircea_popescu | one* | [01:56] |
Duffer1 | holy shit MP it's Donna's parents from That 70s Show | [01:56] |
asciilifeform | damn, i should read the u.s. fishwraps more often, full of lulz | [01:56] |
Duffer1 | http://images2.fanpop.com/images/polls/248000/248307_1244328184341_full.jpg | [01:57] |
mircea_popescu | gee it must suck for that 8yo. | [01:58] |
mircea_popescu | parents killed, paralyzed, enjoy your fambly estate. | [01:58] |
Duffer1 | at least he didn't unload at a school | [02:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00083488 = 38.154 BTC [+] {5} | [02:03] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx9zj/arthur_nakamoto_my_brother_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto/ | [02:04] |
ozbot | Arthur Nakamoto: My brother, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto... : Bitcoin | [02:04] |
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ThickAsThieves | checl out these ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5485006/colorado-releases-new-drugged-driving-ad-campaign | [02:05] |
asciilifeform | http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5483774/the-cupid-drone-strikes-with-80000-volts-to-the-chest | [02:07] |
ozbot | The CUPID drone strikes with 80,000 volts to the chest | The Verge | [02:07] |
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mircea_popescu | asciilifeform journos must seriously be going to a special retardation school. | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea what sort of reverse midas effect this is, but it's uncanny | [02:10] |
mircea_popescu | any topic they touch turns to shit | [02:10] |
asciilifeform | they go to spam school. | [02:10] |
asciilifeform | must be. | [02:10] |
ThickAsThieves | getting tased for demo is so stupid | [02:11] |
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ThickAsThieves | i did a police ride-along and demo day once | [02:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/europe/14238-popescu-jailed-as-romanian-judge-hammers-football-fraudsters | [02:11] |
ozbot | Popescu jailed as Romanian judge hammers football fraudsters - Inside World Football | [02:11] |
ThickAsThieves | why would you ever volunteer to be tased? | [02:11] |
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mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves people volunteer for women in heels to walk all over their ballsack. | [02:12] |
mircea_popescu | what do you want, people are strange. | [02:12] |
asciilifeform | if i recall, some u.s. police academies require taking a shot from a taser. | [02:12] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah | [02:13] |
ThickAsThieves | so they know what they are dishing out | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | did they do that back in the gun days toio ? | [02:13] |
mircea_popescu | also, tasers are stupid easy to counteract. no idea why anyone thinks they're effective or anything. | [02:14] |
asciilifeform | they should require a firing squad with at least plastic rounds. | [02:14] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: taser came out of a fad for 'humane' police gear. | [02:14] |
mircea_popescu | http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/151067206670?lpid=82 | [02:15] |
ozbot | Blackend Chainmail Shirt Butted Chain Mail Armor Costume Chainmaille Medium Size | eBay | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | $100 dollars. | [02:15] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah now these drone vid guys wanna sort humane help for cops | [02:15] |
ThickAsThieves | surreal | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | what's a taser cost, 2k ? | [02:15] |
ThickAsThieves | less | [02:15] |
asciilifeform | no need for chainmail, an ordinary greatcoat does fine | [02:15] |
ThickAsThieves | depends on strength i guess | [02:15] |
ThickAsThieves | and charge | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform no, you want to short it. | [02:15] |
mircea_popescu | nothing quite like the shit exploding in the cop's hands | [02:16] |
ThickAsThieves | yeah then he'll shoot you for real | [02:16] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: short doesn't do much - modern electric shocker works the way a photo flash does - charge a cap, and let it short through the victim | [02:16] |
asciilifeform | (victim in place of xenon tube) | [02:16] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves double the chain with kevlar, he can shoot you till he gets bored. | [02:17] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this is true. | [02:17] |
asciilifeform | a while ago i mentioned tommyguns that were sent to russia during 'lend-lease' | [02:17] |
asciilifeform | there is a curious tale about those | [02:17] |
asciilifeform | at one point, two drunken grunts decided to have a duel with them | [02:17] |
asciilifeform | both got away with broken ribs and a penal battalion sentence. | [02:18] |
ThickAsThieves | standing too far apart? | [02:18] |
ThickAsThieves | or rigged weapons? | [02:19] |
asciilifeform | (they wore the traditional heavy greatcoats) | [02:19] |
asciilifeform | soft, slow .45. | [02:19] |
mircea_popescu | what, and it failed to penetrate ? | [02:19] |
asciilifeform | correct. | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | that's trollage. | [02:20] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15440 @ 0.00083906 = 12.9551 BTC [+] {2} | [02:20] |
asciilifeform | the first bullet proof vests were, after all... silk. | [02:20] |
mircea_popescu | the round, even historical, is closely subsonic. | [02:20] |
ThickAsThieves | here russia, take all these guns, they work fine trust me! | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 300**2 * .2 / 2 | [02:21] |
gribble | 9000 | [02:21] |
mircea_popescu | 9kJ. srsly nao. | [02:21] |
ThickAsThieves | inspection shows barrels riddled with grainy bits | [02:21] |
moiety | we had a bren but we arent allowed it back with out getting the licence redone in England | [02:22] |
asciilifeform | 'v' is more important than 'm' here. | [02:22] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform most .45 fires at around 300km/h | [02:22] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe it was a joke never properly explained, they threw the guns at eachother | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | even taking a more historically accurate 200 km/h which is what i did... | [02:23] |
mircea_popescu | or meant to do... | [02:23] |
asciilifeform | there could be many explanation for the story, assuming it took place as described | [02:24] |
asciilifeform | but it is not entirely implausible | [02:24] |
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asciilifeform | i also recall accounts of 45acp failing to perforate NK soldiers during korean war | [02:32] |
asciilifeform | but, i wasn't there, did not see this alive. | [02:32] |
mircea_popescu | what is this, some martial arts fascination ? | [02:34] |
mircea_popescu | a .45 round will go through an engine block, let alone some bloke | [02:34] |
asciilifeform | brought it up because of the taser/coat question. | [02:34] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: what do you load yours with, titanium ? | [02:34] |
mircea_popescu | i just can't conceive how that'd happen. maybe if the round was hand filled with dust ? | [02:34] |
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mircea_popescu | what is it, copper mostly | [02:36] |
mircea_popescu | copper-nickel w/e | [02:37] |
asciilifeform | for those concerned with the question of what will or won't go through X, 'youtube' is the place. | [02:38] |
asciilifeform | (well actually, the correct place is a deserted junkyard. but the next best thing) | [02:39] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose in an extremely rare case a shot could ricochet of a rib or something, but srsly nao. | [02:39] |
mike_c | mythbusters has done a bunch of shows on "is it bulletproof" | [02:47] |
asciilifeform | ballistics testing is possibly the #1 hobby of youtube folks | [02:47] |
asciilifeform | quality varies | [02:47] |
mircea_popescu | i would guess this'd be because a gun is pretty much the coolest toy adults can afford. | [02:48] |
mircea_popescu | all those "guns are not toys" adds backfired i guess | [02:48] |
asciilifeform | it's a variant on 'ricing' | [02:49] |
asciilifeform | (people who endlessly fidget with their cars) | [02:49] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417217/quotes?item=qt0158941 << re this excellent pacino performance : | [02:49] |
ozbot | Two for the Money (2005) - Quotes - IMDb | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | people seem to have taken the smoking kills adds the same way | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | "well it DOES kill people, and it HASN'T killed me, | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | therefore i am special | [02:49] |
mircea_popescu | ergo smoking makes me special" | [02:50] |
B007 | smoking is way down in the us | [02:50] |
asciilifeform | there's also 'mortido' (as in libido) | [02:50] |
B007 | idk about europe | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | B007 depends how you measure it. | [02:50] |
B007 | less people per 1000? | [02:50] |
asciilifeform | folks who don't get their 'dietary minimum' of 'millideaths per day' tend to get edgy. | [02:50] |
mircea_popescu | PM was trading ~50 a share in 2008 and is trading ~90 a share now | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | 31bn revenue / 8bn net | [02:51] |
mircea_popescu | about 7x as big as facebook, to put it in terms readily digestible by the online crowd | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | much better profit margin, too. twice as good, in fact. | [02:52] |
mircea_popescu | BTI is probably a better example. ~5 per share in the 80s, 100+ per share now. | [02:53] |
B007 | I which I could get in....tfw no money | [02:54] |
B007 | *wish | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | ~25bn gross ~6bn net, so roughly 4x facebook. | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | so there you have it : smoking is down and the industry makes a degree of magnitude more than social media. | [02:54] |
mircea_popescu | who's killing who here ? | [02:54] |
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B007 | thats accually a good point, but it is still true that smoking in the us is down | [02:56] |
B007 | I never stated anything about profits or size compared to fb | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | so what do you mean, smoking as a behaviour ? | [02:56] |
mircea_popescu | fucking is also down in the us. | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | and making sense. and making money. and generally everything. | [02:57] |
B007 | ummm | [02:57] |
mircea_popescu | it's what happens when places go to shit. everything goes down. | [02:57] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.00086507 = 10.7269 BTC [+] | [03:00] |
B007 | yeah, but Romania gdp 169,400 vs US 15,680,000 | [03:01] |
B007 | we have about the same gdp as all of europe | [03:01] |
asciilifeform | 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turned gold int | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | o dirt.' | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | (reade's 'martyrdom of man') | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | s/rome/usa | [03:03] |
B007 | yes, we still have huge industries | [03:03] |
B007 | in case you weren't aware | [03:03] |
asciilifeform | well, there's pointing a gun at people to make them pay for copied bits | [03:04] |
asciilifeform | and then there's building the gun | [03:04] |
asciilifeform | and, mostly completing the list, maintaining infrastructure (sort of!) | [03:04] |
mircea_popescu | B007 what huge industry were you tihnking about ? | [03:06] |
mircea_popescu | they can't even run a paper mill for chrissakes. | [03:07] |
asciilifeform | 'arse-mouth loop system' economy. | [03:07] |
mircea_popescu | my grandfather was a mayor, and a bunch of other things, but the one true source of public respect was that he owned and operated an american mill | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | it was like... people actually came an extra distance with oxen fucking carts just because of that cool. | [03:09] |
mircea_popescu | then there was a war and a number of unfortunate choices... and by today people may want japanese stuff, | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | but i can't readily think of anything which'd be improved by being made in the us. | [03:10] |
mircea_popescu | perhaps a cuisinart ? | [03:10] |
asciilifeform | how quickly the 'cool' goes. | [03:10] |
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mircea_popescu | they don't really make the cuisinarts in the us anymore do they | [03:11] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: mine certainly wasn't. | [03:11] |
asciilifeform | 100% chicom | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | not even a cuisinart. | [03:11] |
mircea_popescu | The trademark is a subsidiary of and owned by Conair Corporation which acquired the brand following Cuisinart's bankruptcy in 1989. | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | the consumer appliance that inspired jobs. | [03:12] |
mircea_popescu | how quickly the cool goes... | [03:12] |
Duffer1 | if you want it to taste really good and take 30 years off the average life span of your customers.. and be dirt cheap, then you want american expertise | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the four little green RNGs were made at a u.s. plant. cost: ~their weight in pure gold. | [03:13] |
asciilifeform | (the boards alone!) | [03:13] |
mircea_popescu | well at least that gold didnt turn into pure shit. | [03:14] |
asciilifeform | i think every other customer of that place is part of the DOD wankatron. | [03:15] |
asciilifeform | no one else in his right mind has anything made here | [03:15] |
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asciilifeform | visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker, they're all decorated with pictures of fighter jets, boats, etc. | [03:15] |
mike_c | PM is actually international only, no US. | [03:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07900102 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2} | [03:16] |
michiel_l | midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ | [03:16] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c it doesn't sell in the us ?! | [03:16] |
mike_c | they split it up. NYSE:PM is intl only | [03:17] |
mike_c | I believe Altria holds PM USA | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | no lm, no marlboro ? | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | oh | [03:17] |
Duffer1 | ya altria | [03:17] |
mike_c | although they have done well over the last few years too | [03:17] |
mircea_popescu | mike_c yeah it doesn't substantially alter the argument | [03:18] |
mike_c | i thought it would, but it does not. altria has doubled over the last few years | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | in fact, it bolsters it : intl only pm does substantially equally well as the us-only pm | [03:18] |
mircea_popescu | hahahaha this is hysterical : | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | USA tobacco 18,474 / 4,812 | [03:19] |
mircea_popescu | International tobacco 48,260 / 8,458 | [03:20] |
mircea_popescu | usa tobaccomuch more productive. i guess bans help indeed. | [03:20] |
mike_c | it's interesting, because i have always heard anecedotally that taxes were killing US tobacco. i guess i heard it from the tobacco lobby :) | [03:21] |
mircea_popescu | i guess you must have yeah. | [03:21] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [-] {3} | [03:28] |
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joecool | altria is PM rebranded, they are the same | [03:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [+] {2} | [03:33] |
moiety | when is BB back? | [03:33] |
joecool | altria, rj reylolds, and lorillard i think are the big 3 | [03:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.0056 = 0.5544 BTC [-] {4} | [03:38] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 25 @ 0.00404999 = 0.1012 BTC [+] {2} | [08:32] |
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Namworld | http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html | [08:39] |
ozbot | Mt.Gox BTC Transactions - Coinsight.org | [08:39] |
Namworld | Movements? The heck. | [08:39] |
mircea_popescu | what is coinsight | [08:40] |
Namworld | What now? Mark specifying hackers stole private keys and wiped his servers? | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [08:41] |
Namworld | A stats and tracking website. | [08:41] |
mircea_popescu | kinda dubious in that it's based on gox. | [08:42] |
Namworld | I believe this is based on past addresses used by MtGox, as per past transactions listed in their API | [08:42] |
Namworld | API isn't there anymore, but some MtGox addresses where known. | [08:43] |
mircea_popescu | Transactions are recorded automatically every 5 minutes from this page, which displays all Bitcoin transactions from Mt.Gox that have not been confirmed for 2 or more hours according to their wallet software. | [08:43] |
mircea_popescu | link is to mtgox api | [08:43] |
Namworld | Oh... | [08:43] |
Namworld | looks like MtGox is still publishing that it's moving lotta Bitcoins... | [08:44] |
Namworld | This must be an ode to stupidity. | [08:45] |
mircea_popescu | it definitely is. | [08:45] |
Namworld | Ok, I'm laughing now. This is too much. | [08:45] |
chetty_ | they left the fake transaction bots running? | [08:46] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete you know, there are numerous religions longer lasting than the catholic church | [08:47] |
Namworld | No... those transactions... some are in the blockchain it seems. | [08:47] |
mircea_popescu | confucius, for one, was born way before christ. | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | for that matter, so has buddha | [08:48] |
mircea_popescu | either of them has more followers today than jesus | [08:48] |
bitcoinpete | mircea_popescu: Sure, Judaism too… Maybe not as centralized as such, nor as auspiciously | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | judaism = christianity. | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | nobody in the business seriously considers the branches apart from the root. | [08:49] |
Namworld | islam too | [08:49] |
mircea_popescu | judaism -> orthodoxy -> catholicism -> islam, same thing | [08:49] |
bitcoinpete | Lest we forget Mormonism | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | minor disagreements over who exactly the prophets are | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | i guess you can include the various protestant and neoprotestant sects in there. | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | generally they're ignored for their complete lack of intellectual production and cultural impact | [08:50] |
bitcoinpete | Catholic Church still seems to win the "most successful" award for land, art, gold, etc | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | but if you go by headcount i guess you gotta count the muricans. | [08:50] |
mircea_popescu | only because you're unfamiliar with the east. | [08:51] |
Namworld | Go abraham (not the lincoln one) | [08:51] |
bitcoinpete | Moderately familiar with Hinduism and Buddhism. I guess the branch-tree argument is valid. Continuity is continuity | [08:52] |
rithm | paganism arguably oldest religion | [08:52] |
mircea_popescu | MisterE: Little late for that eh? < lawl. it's what bystanders do, usually. comment on future events as they perceive them, which obviously to the actual players are long past. | [08:52] |
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mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete the objection was to art land and gold | [08:53] |
mircea_popescu | if you think anyone can compete with buddhism over that you're nuts, they probably have more than all the others combined. | [08:53] |
mircea_popescu | Mats_cd03 yeah not bad measure. | [08:53] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5376 @ 0.00086493 = 4.6499 BTC [+] | [08:54] |
bitcoinpete | Huh… nuts I must be. This, I did not know | [08:54] |
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mircea_popescu | they (ie, indian govt) recently opened the vault of donations of one of the larger temples | [08:54] |
mircea_popescu | > 200 tons of gold in items, many older than 1700 | [08:55] |
mircea_popescu | never seen before. | [08:55] |
MisterE | nice | [08:55] |
MisterE | lots of hoards down there | [08:55] |
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mircea_popescu | http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/06/137627235/some-22-billion-in-gold-diamonds-jewels-found-in-indian-temple | [08:55] |
MisterE | what was the british mainly sucking out of them? textiles? | [08:56] |
mircea_popescu | everything thery could get their hands on, basically. | [08:56] |
jackmaninov | jadne jayk Jere_Jones jespern Jezzz jimeh jMyles joecool joesmoe jordandotdev JoshG jurov justusranvier | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | hey justusranvier | [08:58] |
bitcoinpete | crikey. That makes the Vatican look like a Swiss McDonald's | [08:58] |
justusranvier | hello | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | my point exactly. | [08:58] |
jackmaninov | jadne jayk Jere_Jones jespern Jezzz jimeh jMyles joecool joesmoe jordandotdev JoshG jurov justusranvier | [08:58] |
mircea_popescu | justusranvier what's your relation to conformal ? | [08:58] |
justusranvier | mircea_popescu: fan | [08:58] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah they really should have a guy here. | [08:58] |
justusranvier | I passed that message along | [08:59] |
mircea_popescu | at the very least mike_c and benkay'd be very interesting in their stuff. | [08:59] |
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mircea_popescu | speaking of wolverine... | [08:59] |
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punkman | http://www.artfido.com/blog/is-this-the-best-way-to-recognize-the-artists-of-famous-paintings/ | [09:01] |
mircea_popescu | lol huge asses ? srsly ? | [09:02] |
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punkman | I lol'd "If everyone – including the women – looks like Putin, then it’s van Eyck." | [09:02] |
mircea_popescu | http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aec36ec3_arty_pics_big_ass_amateurs_butt_morenna_large.jpg_480_480_0_64000_0_1_0.jpeg < that is large ass. | [09:03] |
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mircea_popescu | i wish i could get dali to ilustrate eulora | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | sadly... | [09:03] |
mircea_popescu | "If the paintings have tons of little people in them but otherwise seem normal, it’s Bruegel. ajahaha | [09:04] |
bitcoinpete | He didn't even pick the lowest hanging fruit: Botero's chubby fruit | [09:04] |
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mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete i don't think author even understands there's any depth to the matter. the bread's all flat to him, like he was born in the internet age. | [09:05] |
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mircea_popescu | punkman i suppose the putin-ness has to do with ethnicity. eyck painted locals and putin is apparently baltic stock | [09:08] |
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bitcoinpete | mircea_popescu: flat like Monet's lilypadz, flat like Guernica's bull, flat like Matisse's Icarus, flat like Saskatchewan | [09:10] |
mircea_popescu | no, flat like cartman. | [09:11] |
bitcoinpete | that's flat | [09:11] |
mircea_popescu | http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jewpacabra/Script grep "No! The bread's all flat! No!" | [09:11] |
ozbot | Jewpacabra/Script - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle | [09:11] |
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bitcoinpete | Only a month away! | [09:12] |
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bitcoinpete | And incredibly easy for the gluten intolerant | [09:13] |
mircea_popescu | An application of micromorts is measuring the value that humans place on risk: for example, one can consider the amount of money one would have to pay a person to get him or her to accept a one-in-a-million chance of death (or conversely the amount that someone might be willing to pay to avoid a one-in-a-million chance of death). When put thus, people claim a high number but when inferred from their day-to-day actions | [09:14] |
mircea_popescu | (e.g., how much they are willing to pay for safety features on cars) a typical value is around $50 (in 2009) | [09:14] |
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mircea_popescu | However utility functions are often not linear, i.e the more a person has already spent on their safety the less they are willing to spend to further increase their safety. Therefore the $50 valuation should not be taken to mean that a human life (1 million micromorts) is valued at $50,000,000. | [09:14] |
punkman | micromorts, heh | [09:14] |
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mircea_popescu | [But much less.] | [09:15] |
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mircea_popescu | Furthermore the local linearity of any utility curve means that the micromort is useful for small incremental risks and rewards, not necessarily for large risks | [09:15] |
mircea_popescu | [in the sense it overstates their cost] | [09:15] |
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bitcoinpete | Post updated thanks to mircea_popescu | [09:21] |
bitcoinpete | http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/ | [09:21] |
ozbot | What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete | [09:21] |
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mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete make. | [09:22] |
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bitcoinpete | Ever vigilant! | [09:23] |
bitcoinpete | Corrected. | [09:23] |
mircea_popescu | "He (John Kerry) made clear that continued military escalation and provocation in Crimea or elsewhere in Ukraine, along with steps to annex Crimea to Russia would close any available space for diplomacy, and he urged utmost restraint," the official said. | [09:23] |
mircea_popescu | the obscure part in all of this is what exact space for diplomacy does russia need here ? | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | you want the gas fine, you don't want the gas also fine. | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | you want us to confiscate your investments fine, you don't want us to also fine. | [09:24] |
mircea_popescu | rarely has one such a conveniently diplomacy-immune position. | [09:24] |
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MisterE | "Assange attacked what he sees as the powerlessness of even the most theoretically powerful politicians, and asked what would happen if President Barack Obama said tomorrow he was immediately disbanding the NSA, or even the CIA." | [09:31] |
MisterE | Umm, that evening or the next day he would be assassinated? | [09:31] |
MisterE | http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/08/julian-assange-wikileaks-nsa-sxsw | [09:31] |
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chetty_ | nah, not worth a bullet, they just laugh at him. take his phone away | [09:32] |
MisterE | lol | [09:34] |
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mircea_popescu | nothing at all would happen lol | [09:57] |
mircea_popescu | there;s no such thing as "powerful" in the fiat world, being it a politician including obama, or a media personality including whoever the fuck you watch, or a financial guy. | [09:58] |
mircea_popescu | mat dimon is powerless to do anything about anything, one regular here is a lot more powerful in that WE ACTUALLY CONTROL our bitcoins. | [09:58] |
mircea_popescu | random CEO can do exactly jack shit. | [09:58] |
MisterE | some people hold commodities | [09:58] |
mircea_popescu | which is really why it's so fun to humiliate and torment them, the naked emperors of power. | [09:58] |
MisterE | gold, etc. | [09:58] |
MisterE | hell water is the next asset | [09:59] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, yeah. here's a simple test of your property : | [09:59] |
mircea_popescu | try setting it on fire. | [09:59] |
MisterE | hehe | [09:59] |
mircea_popescu | most people belabouring under the delusion they "own" a house aren't aware they only "own" it inasmuch as there's something to b e paid on it. | [09:59] |
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MisterE | if they used a proper bank ledger they would see everything they have is a liability | [10:00] |
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MisterE | but they are not taught these things in school | [10:00] |
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mircea_popescu | well obama is not in a better position. | [10:10] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46883 @ 0.00086031 = 40.3339 BTC [-] {4} | [15:21] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00086237 = 12.72 BTC [+] | [15:25] |
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mircea_popescu | http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81 | [15:40] |
ozbot | #bitcoin-assets bash | [15:40] |
mircea_popescu | ahahaha o may gawd i nearly fell over | [15:40] |
KRS-One | heh fucken vexual | [15:45] |
KRS-One | i like that cunt | [15:46] |
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deadweasel | well this jimmothy is still talkin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296 | [16:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.NSA] 15600 @ 0.0001 = 1.56 BTC [-] | [16:19] |
mircea_popescu | i suppose we should have a bet as to when he goes the way of ciuciu, eskimobob and so many other great names | [16:25] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 59 @ 0.04267406 = 2.5178 BTC [-] {10} | [16:31] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 27 @ 0.09093998 = 2.4554 BTC [+] {7} | [16:31] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 406 @ 0.00401795 = 1.6313 BTC [-] {11} | [16:37] |
punkman | http://themiraclemachine.net/img/info-graphic.png | [16:42] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5150 @ 0.00086501 = 4.4548 BTC [+] | [16:46] |
nubbins` | wut | [16:49] |
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dexX7 | yay welcome to teh future | [16:58] |
dexX7 | http://themiraclemachine.net | [16:58] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00386558 = 0.4639 BTC [-] {5} | [17:01] |
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asciilifeform | dexX7: 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' ('judge dredd') | [17:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1103 @ 0.00379842 = 4.1897 BTC [-] {11} | [17:02] |
asciilifeform | dexX7: if the 'miracle' crap is serious, americans will be drinking the same kind of wine as they drink coffee | [17:02] |
dexX7 | haha true | [17:02] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 104 @ 0.00375043 = 0.39 BTC [-] | [17:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 29 @ 0.00375043 = 0.1088 BTC [-] | [17:05] |
mircea_popescu | !t h neobee | [17:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00362770 / 0.00402835 / 0.00430001 (6748 shares, 27.18330834 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00434362 / 0.00549990 (100201 shares, 435.23483185 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0044337 / 0.00600000 (589434 shares, 2613.37069273 BTC) | [17:06] |
dexX7 | what a trash video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQ-IoHfimQ ... 18m views pff | [17:12] |
bitcoinpete | sofa king we todd had | [17:14] |
bitcoinpete | and howdy | [17:15] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: i think that has already been answered, but are options completely disabled or is only the bot not quoting? | [17:22] |
thestringpuller | because of the issue with puts? | [17:22] |
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bitcoinpete | "The other telling tale in terms of currency besides the fact that no central bank is going to ever let (go of) control of how they deal with their own economy, is no one that I've seen so far that's in traditional sales that is taking bitcoin keeps it as bitcoin. They all translate it to dollars. And if you translate it into dollars it's not a currency." - Mark Cuban | [17:25] |
bitcoinpete | http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2014/03/09/mark-cuban-cyber-dust-sxsw/6226925/ | [17:26] |
ozbot | SXSW: Cuban on bitcoin and why texts should bite Cyber Dust | [17:26] |
asciilifeform | 'Kids are understanding that now. That's why Snapchat's been so popular. They don't want to have that footprint out there.' << lol | [17:27] |
asciilifeform | story time | [17:29] |
asciilifeform | asimov was once asked what he would do if he were to take a trip in time machine and could teach/prove just one fact about physics to the ancients | [17:30] |
asciilifeform | he said 'show them the world is made of atoms' | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller they're disabled. | [17:30] |
asciilifeform | so, if i could teach just one thing to these lost souls: | [17:30] |
asciilifeform | 'the difference between promise and mechanism.' | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete because obviously the ones that do keep it as bitcoin would report that to mark cuban | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | it makes perfect sense huh. | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the difference'd be that the difference between promise and mechanism is by no means a novel idea, just like the knowledge of communism = idiocy is ancient. | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | entirely true! | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | then again, i suppose the atomic view is also ancient, so... perhaps that's why we can't make time machines yet | [17:32] |
asciilifeform | nothing novel here | [17:32] |
mircea_popescu | we'd be fucking boring to those people. | [17:33] |
asciilifeform | hence the analogy | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | it's all their spam filters keeping us out | [17:33] |
asciilifeform | and i think mr. a meant 'hammer through their thick retarded heads' rather than merely 'tell them.' | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | and actually... i wish an ancient would come this way into time and bring me blueprints of his fucking spam filter | [17:33] |
mircea_popescu | that way i could somehow filter out idiots who in 2014 create "momentuous historic events" that "revoilutionise bla bla" by poorly reimplementing 2011's mpex | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | then again i guess i already have that too, in the form of a philosophy degree | [17:34] |
bitcoinpete | haha | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | fuck me, the world is perfect | [17:34] |
mircea_popescu | who knew. | [17:34] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;later tell nubbins` Interested in doing art for an album cover? Short turn needed, close-up of beast chomping a microphone. If so, lemme know price, eta. Thanks! | [17:34] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [17:34] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: that way i could somehow filter out idiots << but they're already filtered - they aren't in your living room, and they aren't in mine. on the other hand, if filters could physically zap spammers, there would be considerably more interest in filter... | [17:36] |
bitcoinpete | mircea_popescu how old is the idea of communism by your reckoning? Mazdak was one of the first notable purveyors, at least according to Tom Holland | [17:37] |
bitcoinpete | asciilifeform: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well, certainly the buddhists | [17:38] |
CheckDavid | http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=About. < anyone knows the difference between this and mastercoin? | [17:38] |
asciilifeform | bitcoinpete: probably as old as the first humanoid who looked with envy at an anthill | [17:38] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete it's really just poorly repackaged buddhism | [17:39] |
asciilifeform | bitcoinpete: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well << very peculiar meaning of 'understand' needed for this to be true | [17:39] |
CheckDavid | Did anyone here user open transactions to create or issue an asset? | [17:39] |
mircea_popescu | CheckDavid knotwork perhaps the only one. | [17:39] |
CheckDavid | Oh | [17:39] |
asciilifeform | CheckDavid: plenty of people have used the blockchain as a telegraph, when the occasion called for it | [17:40] |
CheckDavid | knotwork: my nigga | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | it's an ancient thing, ot, i recall sponsoring it in like 2012 | [17:40] |
CheckDavid | lol | [17:40] |
bitcoinpete | "As a result, this digital-savvy cohort is looking to the tech sector to provide banking solutions. Half of respondents said they were counting on startups to overhaul how banks work, and three-quarters said they would be more excited in financial services provided by Google, Amazon, Apple, PayPal, or Square than from their own banks." | [17:43] |
bitcoinpete | http://www.fastcompany.com/3027197/fast-feed/sorry-banks-millennials-hate-you?utm_content=buffer7a415&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer | [17:43] |
ozbot | Sorry Banks, Millennials Hate You | Fast Company | Business + Innovation | [17:43] |
bitcoinpete | I love the "counting on startups" bit | [17:44] |
asciilifeform | 'Sorry, Meat Processing Plants - Cattle Hate You' | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | the evolution of the smiley is something incredible. | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | they were all :-) originally | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | then people dispensed with the nose, leading to the now common :) | [17:48] |
asciilifeform | speaking of meat processing: | [17:48] |
mircea_popescu | yet the trend aren't stopping, now the eyes are gone too. it's just ))))) | [17:49] |
asciilifeform | many years ago, some russian fellow made a short film about karpeles & co. | [17:49] |
asciilifeform | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnz9CaJqTY | [17:49] |
ThickAsThieves | nose was too derpy | [17:49] |
asciilifeform | no words, so no subtitles needed. | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | aren't smileys supposed to be derpy ? | [17:49] |
ThickAsThieves | millenials hating banks is as old as overdraft fees | [17:49] |
mircea_popescu | ;~} | [17:50] |
bitcoinpete | mircea_popescu: azns clearly pushed the noseless look, it wasn't no persian | [17:50] |
ThickAsThieves | next is millenials hating cable cuz commercials (cuz netflix) | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | :¬| | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoinpete clearly | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves im pretty sure cable is dead as a going concern | [17:51] |
bitcoinpete | There's a dilbert hiding in there somewhere | [17:51] |
ThickAsThieves | but dat death grip | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | they couldn't kill smoking, but cable failed to thrive in the interval | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | nah, it just survives cause coaxial internet | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | in most countries cable companies only sell their tv packages because they're bundled with the internet | [17:52] |
ThickAsThieves | %) | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise people'd be... whatever. | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [17:54] |
gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 639.1, Best ask: 641.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.88000, Last trade: 639.1, 24 hour volume: 11624.21200374, 24 hour low: 604.5, 24 hour high: 653.0, 24 hour vwap: 625.505735661 | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 / 639.1 | [17:54] |
gribble | 6.17085448826e-06 | [17:54] |
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mircea_popescu | ha! trilema the rift guild makes ~600 satoshi a day in taxes. | [17:54] |
mircea_popescu | no wait i fucked it up | [17:55] |
ThickAsThieves | won't even cover a teamspeak server | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 * 14.95 / 639.1 | [17:55] |
gribble | 9.22542745995e-05 | [17:55] |
mircea_popescu | 9k satoshi | [17:55] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, wtf is a Gunwitch ? | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves aren't those free ? | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform the nom de guerre / plume of some particularly unhinged pick up artist guy | [17:56] |
ThickAsThieves | dunno, i recall needing to pay for larger usage | [17:56] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe that was Ventrilo | [17:56] |
mircea_popescu | who may or may not be this fellow : http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/046/best_guy_ever.jpg | [17:56] |
asciilifeform | i pictured it in my head as a witch who rides a DP (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Machine_gun_DP_MON.jpg) instead of broom | [17:57] |
mircea_popescu | too feasible. | [17:58] |
asciilifeform | the man in the photo - did he pull the trigger and blow his cock ? | [17:58] |
asciilifeform | he looks determined. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | actually, you may get a kick out of reading his (obviously very valuable) instructions and teachings. | [17:58] |
mircea_popescu | it was all about "projecting your sexuality" upon random unfortunate members of the general public | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | at like... the bus stop | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | and "make the ho say no" | [17:59] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39806461 BTC to 3`639 shares, 65899 satoshi per share | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | then he shot some woman in the face. | [17:59] |
asciilifeform | 'Spam Like a Pro in 21 Days!' | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | anyway. half the rift guild is russian and ukrainian | [17:59] |
mircea_popescu | we're having a ball these days :D | [17:59] |
asciilifeform | lol | [17:59] |
asciilifeform | also i thought 'witch' in english was female. | [18:00] |
ThickAsThieves | lotsa russians in dota too | [18:00] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform nope. there's no gender in it. | [18:00] |
asciilifeform | ThickAsThieves: also in WOT (the other wot! 'world of tanks') | [18:01] |
dexX7 | CheckDavid: i don't know much about ot, but it seems it's something completly new, more like a next gen bitmessage + encryption + central server bundle. mastercoin has it's own transaction types etc. and stores them encoded in the blockchain | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | people who speak languages with genders end up with fictitious gender partitions like witch/wizard because the teachers are lazy | [18:01] |
ThickAsThieves | why so many russians in online games now? | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | but otherwise, there's no such allocation in english | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves because they can finally afford mass computers and net | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | in the 2000s it was a business expense for the girfrliendsa working the cams, | [18:01] |
mircea_popescu | and by now on their sweat and toil it became generally available | [18:02] |
CheckDavid | dexX7: oh. So that system is centralized unlike master coin | [18:02] |
ThickAsThieves | porn, the mortar of technology | [18:02] |
mircea_popescu | dexX7 what do you mean new ? the guy's been working at it since before my time | [18:02] |
asciilifeform | porn, the reconnaissance battalion of technology. | [18:02] |
ThickAsThieves | all the people that want decentralized shit like ot and mastercoin are too dumb to use it | [18:03] |
dexX7 | CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. there seem to be central processing servers. new in the sense of "not bitcoin, new underlying technology" | [18:03] |
CheckDavid | I see | [18:03] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform pretty much | [18:03] |
ThickAsThieves | [18:03] | |
ThickAsThieves | does* | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves well maybe the traveller dude does, | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | on his better days | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | mostly people just ooh and ahh at screenshots and possibilities | [18:04] |
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ThickAsThieves | imagine all teh IPOz! | [18:04] |
ThickAsThieves | imagine all the less friction! | [18:04] |
mircea_popescu | it still requires you to compile a client and run a server does it ? | [18:04] |
dexX7 | i think so | [18:05] |
thestringpuller | ThickAsThieves: if porn is the mortar of technology, are video games like the firewood? | [18:05] |
ThickAsThieves | no, they are the cumsocks | [18:05] |
* | ThickAsThieves doesn't know what that means. | [18:06] |
* | asciilifeform neither | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ud cumsock | [18:06] |
gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cumsock | A 'special' sock that is used for 'mopping up' following a 'five knuckle shuffle'. Such footwear have the unusual characteristics of being able to ... | [18:06] |
ozbot | Urban Dictionary: cumsock | [18:06] |
thestringpuller | YUP | [18:06] |
mircea_popescu | apparently people use socks as cum rags ? | [18:06] |
thestringpuller | that's what we used to say as kids in middle school | [18:06] |
thestringpuller | when you masturbate as a 12 year old yea | [18:06] |
asciilifeform | haha i assumed it was a rubber | [18:06] |
ThickAsThieves | i never made the word until now | [18:06] |
ThickAsThieves | but that was the definition i was going for | [18:07] |
ThickAsThieves | masturbatory receptacles | [18:07] |
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thestringpuller | random: someone needs to invent a gpg based database | [18:08] |
dexX7 | http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Messaging ot is something like this | [18:08] |
ozbot | Messaging - Open Transactions | [18:08] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.00466438 = 0.4664 BTC [+] {6} | [18:10] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller to do what ? | [18:10] |
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thestringpuller | so if the database is ever compromised for any reason, it won't matter because it requires a specific gpg key to decrypt the rows | [18:13] |
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mircea_popescu | how is this different from you know, gpg as is ? | [18:14] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: it is possible to search across encrypted data, for some purposes | [18:14] |
asciilifeform | thestringpuller: you were probably thinking of that | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | if you fill something like lets say postgres | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | or mysql | [18:14] |
thestringpuller | and you encrypted all the rows it would take 3-4 times longer for normal operation cause it has to decrypt everytime | [18:15] |
thestringpuller | it's not built for it, has to call libcrypt or some bullshit | [18:15] |
mircea_popescu | well yeah | [18:16] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: perhaps if you stored gpg flatfile and indexed it, then gpg is the bottle neck and not the db trying to decrypt cells... | [18:16] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61199898 BTC [+] | [18:16] |
dexX7 | don't encrypt primary keys and you're good to go? | [18:17] |
thestringpuller | asciilifeform: are you saying search encrypted data using a hash? | [18:17] |
thestringpuller | dexX7: then you can't search a specific column only by PK | [18:17] |
dexX7 | ah well, right | [18:18] |
dexX7 | but you can't have it both ways, i guess? | [18:18] |
thestringpuller | i guess that might work though...if you only have referentials by pk in your queries; once you retreive the column you could deal with decryption...but hmm | [18:21] |
dexX7 | https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo wtf "ponzicoin.co" | [18:21] |
ozbot | Ad info | [18:21] |
thestringpuller | maybe gpg and relational databases aren't meant to be friends | [18:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00399962 = 0.252 BTC [+] {3} | [18:22] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00087052 = 21.4148 BTC [+] | [18:23] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.04250001 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2} | [18:28] |
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bitcoinpete | Coming in at #3 for a cool 211,000 BTC: Dracula's Castle in Roumania | [18:33] |
bitcoinpete | http://www.fascinatingpics.com/7-most-expensive-homes-in-the-world-5/ | [18:33] |
ozbot | 7 Most Expensive Homes In The World » Fascinating Pics | [18:33] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00556246 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {9} | [18:34] |
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bitcoinpete | And if that's too pricey, this shit is priceless: | [18:36] |
bitcoinpete | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zxfjg/thank_you_people_of_rbitcoin_your_unique/ | [18:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.590002 BTC [-] | [18:36] |
bitcoinpete | "Thank You people of r/bitcoin! Your unique, sarcastic and exaggerated humour has enabled me to cope with the depression and suicidal thoughts after my financial loss due to MtGox." | [18:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00583543 = 0.4668 BTC [+] {6} | [18:37] |
dexX7 | http://imgur.com/gallery/fjcgUns | [18:43] |
ozbot | Come oon just try it - Imgur | [18:43] |
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dexX7 | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/ | [18:47] |
ozbot | MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES'S REDDIT ACCOUNT! : Bitcoin | [18:47] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.04250001 = 1.7 BTC [-] | [18:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.09199989 = 1.84 BTC [+] {3} | [18:49] |
dexX7 | no user data, only trade histories etc. | [18:50] |
dexX7 | oh wait. and a list with account balances (though without knowing who is who) | [18:51] |
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dexX7 | and there are some with a negative balance :D | [18:52] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] | [19:04] |
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asciilifeform | anybody got the binary turd? | [19:16] |
asciilifeform | nm | [19:19] |
dexX7 | no .net, ascii extract: http://pastebin.com/VwmbU7cJ | [19:20] |
asciilifeform | i'm interested specifically in the trojan payload | [19:21] |
asciilifeform | rather than the gox crap | [19:21] |
dexX7 | there was once a trojan stealer on btctalk which searched for wallet.dat files and forwarded them via mail - the guy included his mail credentials of his private gmail acc =D | [19:22] |
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mircea_popescu | "his" | [19:31] |
dexX7 | yes, his | [19:32] |
dexX7 | turned out it was a 14 yo child who found the stealer on hackforums | [19:33] |
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mircea_popescu | haha | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | "some local computer shop owner yelled at me over the phone when I asked him to email me a price list, telling me that he would never waste his time on email because it took 20 times longer than a phone call" | [19:36] |
mircea_popescu | this is the 80s, back when people using bitcoin i mean email were considered at the very least a little by the guys who generally know everything better | [19:36] |
dexX7 | hehe | [19:37] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.004 = 0.112 BTC [+] | [19:37] |
dexX7 | oh well, this 2 bit idiot: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/79070783038/concession "I’m not going to bury the lead; I am not publishing the article tomorrow that I said I was going to on Friday. In fact, I never intended to ..." | [19:38] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [19:39] |
asciilifeform | loltron chugs on: | [19:40] |
dexX7 | vs | [19:40] |
asciilifeform | http://cryptome.org/2014-info/andrew-leonard/andrew-leonard.htm | [19:40] |
dexX7 | "To the chagrin of the less confrontational, I plan to attack. And in putting my personal and professional reputation on the line, I will attack ruthlessly, from the front, and (figuratively) shoot to kill. By Monday, I expect that either: a) Vessenes and Matonis resign gracefully from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, ..." | [19:40] |
mircea_popescu | lmao @this guy | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | "o i know, brilliant idea : i will try and frontrun mp!11" | [19:41] |
mircea_popescu | nobody ever thought of that b4 for sure! | [19:41] |
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asciilifeform | double-barrelled lol, because since when is throwing somebody's name into a property title spam search engine a proper 'doxing' ? | [19:44] |
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mircea_popescu | i love all the pretense tho, "my personal and professional reputation" apparently is the new stock phrase of the chump. | [19:45] |
mircea_popescu | nobody heard of him, nobody cares of him, he is thus therefore throwing the full weight of that pompous nothing into things!!!111 | [19:45] |
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dexX7 | haha yea | [19:47] |
dexX7 | "bitcoin enentrepreneur" | [19:47] |
mircea_popescu | anyway. yeah the foundation is going down. | [19:49] |
mircea_popescu | that aside, i very much doubt vessy is stepping down to the bitter end. | [19:49] |
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mircea_popescu | benkay :p | [19:49] |
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mircea_popescu | quoth mpoe-pr "haha forehead and bitcoininv have channeled their butthurt from me to each other | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.40 | [19:55] |
ozbot | [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | pretty lulzy shit | [19:55] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507799.0 [19:56] |
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ozbot | Kryptowallet.org maby the best Bitcoin Wallet | [19:56] |
mircea_popescu | asciilifeform this one you might appreciate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.0 | [19:57] |
mircea_popescu | as to the wisdom of not taking pre-orders and generally running a business like a business. | [19:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07481999 = 0.1496 BTC [-] | [19:58] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: the trezor folks took preorders !?!11! | [20:00] |
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asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: have people no sense of shame? | [20:02] |
mircea_popescu | and the irony here is that the mp of that project is slush | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | who's otherwise quite respectable | [20:03] |
bitcoinpete | I can't quite keep up with mircea_popescu's torrential blogging, but that doesn't mean I won't try. | [20:03] |
bitcoinpete | http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/citizens-of-fiat-vs-citizens-of-bitcoin-a-contrast/ | [20:03] |
ozbot | Citizens of Fiat vs. Citizens of Bitcoin: A Contrast | When Bitcoin Met Pete | [20:03] |
mircea_popescu | :p | [20:03] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: could be that some people are just broke, and this is the only way they can play. | [20:03] |
benkay | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.msg5598474#msg5598474 | [20:04] |
ozbot | More Pre Order Scams..... (TREZOR) | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | nah, slush is running a large pool, large miner, he's okay. | [20:04] |
asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: then this is seriously weird. | [20:04] |
asciilifeform | why does he need pre-orders, why not just build the damned gadget | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | dude, if i could explain to you the why of people doing stupid shit... | [20:04] |
mircea_popescu | why. cause they think they know better and don't feel the need to ask. | [20:05] |
asciilifeform | it's seriously strange when they do it despite not having to | [20:05] |
asciilifeform | plus it's a pocket gizmo | [20:05] |
asciilifeform | not an aircraft carrier | [20:05] |
asciilifeform | single-chip, using a dirt-common micro | [20:07] |
asciilifeform | (going by the published pcb mask at any rate) | [20:07] |
mircea_popescu | well, bitcoin is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | people who think that by imagining something they're now the best to make it, people who think wanting really hard can substitute for being really able | [20:10] |
mircea_popescu | and so it goes. | [20:10] |
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asciilifeform | trezor's published code is curiously missing the interesting bits. | [20:11] |
asciilifeform | but i'll be surprised if this surprises anyone. | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | i am fully confident it's ignorance rather than some nefarious anything at work | [20:12] |
mircea_popescu | slush is czech | [20:12] |
asciilifeform | https://github.com/trezor | [20:12] |
asciilifeform | what's missing? exercise for alert reader. | [20:12] |
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Namworld | Gggooooooddd MORNING! | [20:14] |
Namworld | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/ | [20:14] |
ozbot | MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES'S REDDIT ACCOUNT! : Bitcoin | [20:14] |
Namworld | It's actually 14:14 but whatever. | [20:14] |
Namworld | It does appear to be legit. All accounts and transactions dump. | [20:14] |
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Namworld | Which means Mark's blog also got hacked, apparently, if that's not Mark faking it. | [20:16] |
Namworld | Either way, how much more can you screw up? | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld dexX7 had it earlier :p | [20:17] |
Namworld | Great. | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | "The SEC does not actively monitor this thread, I have two friends that are attorneys for the Commission, and their interns have much better things to do than passive monitoring. " | [20:17] |
mircea_popescu | the forum never ends. | [20:17] |
Namworld | There's not too many people in here regularly browsing reddit, so sometimes it takes time to get here. | [20:18] |
Namworld | They should still have 500k BTC apparently. (400k from 2011 that haven't moved since and some more) for over 900k owed. | [20:19] |
Namworld | 400k Mark proved ownership after the 2011 hack. | [20:19] |
dexX7 | ah speaking of the sec. did they reach out to you, mp? | [20:20] |
Namworld | Looks like they were running fractional since then. | [20:20] |
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mircea_popescu | dexX7 and to a number of people | [20:23] |
mircea_popescu | and yes they do read the forum, tho they only understand about half | [20:24] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld isn't it interesting how "since then" and "when mp said" coincide huh. | [20:24] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 29 @ 0.00589773 = 0.171 BTC [+] | [20:26] |
dexX7 | well then, tell us more | [20:27] |
dexX7 | there is the part missing between "to: ... and yes they" | [20:27] |
mircea_popescu | dexX7 hm ? | [20:29] |
dexX7 | what did they want, what are the implications etc ;) | [20:30] |
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mircea_popescu | well that's not particularly clear yet. | [20:31] |
mircea_popescu | trying to do their job, i guess. | [20:31] |
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dexX7 | that's all | [20:32] |
dexX7 | ? | [20:32] |
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dexX7 | i think it's your obligation to be transparent on such incidents. who knows, maybe they have backend access to mpex now :p | [20:35] |
mircea_popescu | now that's not possible. | [20:35] |
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moiety | good eve :) | [20:48] |
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Namworld | Yes, we know you can spot scam. Now stop bragging about it =P | [20:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00589773 = 0.5898 BTC [-] | [20:51] |
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thestringpuller | dexX7: I'm pretty sure mircea_popescu has female assassin ninjas guarding the mpex keyring | [20:52] |
dexX7 | sssh shh i want to hear teh sec gossip | [20:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250011 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2} | [20:54] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 33 @ 0.04250001 = 1.4025 BTC [-] | [20:55] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09224995 = 0.1845 BTC [+] {2} | [20:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09325 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {2} | [20:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0941 = 0.4705 BTC [+] {3} | [20:59] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld never :D | [20:59] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.09499998 = 0.57 BTC [+] {2} | [21:00] |
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dexX7 | http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/3/1394372710.html | [21:02] |
ozbot | eBay Files Patent Application for Bitcoin Currency Exchanger | [21:02] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu random thought: i wonder if the halt in options trading on MPEX will result in a lot of people flocking to ICBIT...kind of a scary thought... | [21:02] |
dexX7 | what was the reason to halt option trading? | [21:03] |
thestringpuller | ;;google site: trilema.com february 2014 mpoe | [21:03] |
gribble | MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: |
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dexX7 | ty | [21:04] |
thestringpuller | np | [21:04] |
KRS-One | i still can't believe this is happening... mtgox hacked.. all leaked.. karpeles blog, his reddit account | [21:07] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086941 = 2.956 BTC [-] | [21:07] |
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dexX7 | well, it's a probably a good thing to get rid of the weak elements | [21:09] |
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mircea_popescu | let the record reflect that i'm working on a foot long baba ghanoush sub | [21:12] |
peterl | I've never used ICBIT, is it any good? | [21:12] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller i doubt there's much overlap in demographics. | [21:13] |
mircea_popescu | peterl no. | [21:13] |
punkman | even Dr Greg doesn't want to use them anymore | [21:13] |
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mircea_popescu | see the earlier linked misadventure of dr foreskin on the topic | [21:13] |
peterl | how did he get the name Dr. Foreskin? Or do I want to know? | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | KRS-One in his position, leaking his pws is actulaly a rational, +ev move | [21:14] |
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mircea_popescu | peterl well it's a combination of things. he looks kind-of weird, and behaves like a negligible quantity | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | which in romanian is pielea pulii ie, foreskin | [21:14] |
mircea_popescu | actually i think that works in russian too | [21:15] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.13311598 BTC [-] | [21:18] |
Diablo-D3 | http://blog.magicaltux.net/2014/03/09/mtgox-2014-hack-database-revealed-live-from-mark-karpeless-reddit-account/ | [21:19] |
ozbot | MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES’S REDDIT ACCOUNT! « MagicalTux in Ja | [21:19] |
mircea_popescu | that's the 3rd. | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04250001 = 1.02 BTC [-] | [21:21] |
dexX7 | kinda interesting though that the block entry is still online | [21:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00589773 = 0.4128 BTC [-] | [21:22] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0425 = 2.2525 BTC [-] {3} | [21:23] |
Namworld | Don't forget that MtGox's API published transactions as close as this morning, Diablo-D3. | [21:23] |
Namworld | MtGox still has and is moving large amounts of Bitcoins. | [21:24] |
peterl | from the dr. greg thread "the approach continues to offer guaranteed profit up until a roughly 350% gain " he lost money but still thinks his strategy should have huge returns? | [21:25] |
Namworld | Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. | [21:25] |
Namworld | Dr. Greg thread? What? | [21:25] |
peterl | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5584789#msg5584789 | [21:25] |
Namworld | Pirates, okay, but I didn't know there was Ponzi doctors too. | [21:25] |
ozbot | [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus | [21:25] |
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peterl | MPOE-PR ripped him pretty good, but he still thinks he beat her with his wall of words | [21:26] |
dexX7 | he also reads the channel logs to see, if someone is saying something mean about him | [21:27] |
benkay | peterl: it's not his strategy that's wrong, it's his implementation details. like icbit. | [21:27] |
peterl | oops, now he is going to target me! | [21:27] |
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benkay | this is much like asciilifeform's refrain about "trusted computing" on top of compromised hardware. all the proofs in the world won't save you from bad hardware in the memory stack, and all the quant kabbalah in the world won't make you money on non-functional options exchanges. | [21:28] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 676 @ 0.0001819 = 0.123 BTC [-] {2} | [21:28] |
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dexX7 | peterl: no joke, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3649693#msg3649693 "Maybe it was a different user named 'dexX7' who was hobnobbing with TAT, Mircea Popescu and others on IRC ..." | [21:29] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07483062 = 0.449 BTC [+] {3} | [21:30] |
Duffer1 | i wish he would hang out in here more | [21:31] |
peterl | maybe he is here under a different name? | [21:31] |
Duffer1 | oh could be | [21:32] |
benkay | probly reads the logs but can't extemporize. | [21:33] |
peterl | hard to put a good wall of text up on IRC | [21:34] |
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Duffer1 | is easy | [21:35] |
benkay | brevity, wit, etc. | [21:35] |
Duffer1 | make blog, post link | [21:35] |
Duffer1 | doesn't Dr.G have a blog already? | [21:35] |
moiety | he really does look phallic shoulders up.... | [21:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 26 @ 0.00589773 = 0.1533 BTC [-] | [21:35] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07485221 = 0.2246 BTC [+] | [21:39] |
mircea_popescu | peterl guy is strange. | [21:40] |
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mircea_popescu | dexX7 lol we're the empire of evil nao ? | [21:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1849 @ 0.00018399 = 0.3402 BTC [+] {8} | [21:42] |
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dexX7 | yea, i guess | [21:42] |
mircea_popescu | o look it's a moiety. how goes missy ? | [21:43] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, if the guy's reading the logs that's not so bad, first step on the road to sanity. | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | before you know it he'll be going "i stake my professional reputation !!eleven behind making this thing i read on trilema two weeks ago happen!" like that other douche | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | after which hopefully he's cured | [21:44] |
mircea_popescu | unless they manage to invent some further pathology down the way | [21:45] |
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moiety | I'm well ty mircea_popescu :) had some interesting times past couple days. how are you? | [21:45] |
mircea_popescu | im stuffed. | [21:45] |
moiety | with? | [21:45] |
moiety | i need to food actually | [21:46] |
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moiety | had dinner with satoshi but he doesn't say much | [21:47] |
mircea_popescu | footlong baba ghanoush sub | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | "In retrospect, it's quite funny how some of the folks laughed at those selling ASICMiner to buy into BTC Growth, given that at the end of the day, those who adopted exactly that strategy wound up with roughly 275% as much money in their accounts than those who stuck with the former darling of the mining world." | [21:48] |
mircea_popescu | this usagi bs ?! | [21:49] |
Diablo-D3 | usagi is still around? | [21:49] |
Diablo-D3 | I thought he ragequit | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | asicminer went from 5 to .5, so therefore my deadbeat "investment" which went from 1 to .3 in the interval | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | would have assured "investors" "make roi and then some" or what was the expression | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | Diablo-D3 he comes and goes. | [21:49] |
mircea_popescu | no bitcoin ragequit lasts. | [21:50] |
Diablo-D3 | I noticed he quit bothering me | [21:50] |
Diablo-D3 | surprised he isnt trying to invest in my newest venture or some shit | [21:50] |
benkay | overheard in my household this morning "paycheck and a buttplug! the only grocery list you'll ever need." | [21:51] |
Diablo-D3 | ... | [21:52] |
moiety | i wondered wherehe disappeared to | [21:53] |
moiety | he might have found benkays shopping list.... | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | lol | [21:53] |
benkay | it's not my shopping list - i don't do the shopping, moiety. | [21:53] |
mircea_popescu | i think he spends some time as a princess in a special happy place | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | of the sort uppity tortilla rest sin | [21:54] |
mircea_popescu | dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3650952#msg3650952 how come i have not that log ? | [21:54] |
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dexX7 | it's legit, names edited and a few lines removed though | [21:55] |
mircea_popescu | can you link to log ? | [21:55] |
dexX7 | hmm let me look | [21:56] |
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dexX7 | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#233753 | [21:56] |
ozbot | #bitcoin-assets log | [21:56] |
mircea_popescu | and you know, if you quote a log include a date, a link, something. | [21:56] |
dexX7 | part 2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#234572 | [21:57] |
dexX7 | my intent wasn't to share the content of the log | [21:57] |
dexX7 | thus no link to the log | [21:57] |
mircea_popescu | a so im not actually in there/saying anything | [21:58] |
mircea_popescu | that's what threw me, cause i had no recollection of the entire thing | [21:58] |
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dexX7 | well, you're the incarnation of teh evil anyway :D | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | oic | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | well, so did anyone actually bother to track this BTC-GROWTH marvel ? | [22:00] |
mircea_popescu | a actually btct, should be in the logs | [22:01] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 13 11:00:40 <`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 2 x 0.99999 = 1.999980 BTC ] | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 13 11:01:55 <`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 98 x 1.0 = 98.000000 BTC ] | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | dude, old logs! | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | (that's apr 13 2012, ftr) | [22:02] |
peterl | I think it was all privately done, so there is no way to actually track what he says | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | peterl he claims he got 2k btc on btct | [22:02] |
mircea_popescu | so what was the ticker, anyoe know that ? | [22:03] |
dexX7 | http://coinflow.co/chart/BTC-GROWTH | [22:03] |
ozbot | BTC-GROWTH on Coinflow | [22:03] |
dexX7 | i think he indeed sold quite a few shares | [22:04] |
dexX7 | several hundred btc worth | [22:04] |
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mircea_popescu | aha | [22:05] |
dexX7 | ;;calc 1294*0.1 | [22:05] |
gribble | 129.4 | [22:05] |
dexX7 | well | [22:05] |
dexX7 | ^ | [22:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0424 = 0.424 BTC [-] | [22:06] |
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mircea_popescu | http://dpaste.com/1707934/ | [22:07] |
ozbot | dpaste: #1707934 | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | that's the first hour. | [22:07] |
mircea_popescu | there's no 2k there, more like 2-300 btc | [22:07] |
benkay | the rest was privately placed! | [22:08] |
benkay | gosh. | [22:08] |
peterl | "privately placed" does that mean "I just made up whatever numbers I want"? | [22:08] |
benkay | that is an implication | [22:09] |
Namworld | I'm about 175 BTC in debt and I'm richer than him still. | [22:09] |
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mircea_popescu | the zinger being, of course, "Aug 15 15:49:39
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mircea_popescu | that's some fund o.O | [22:09] |
Namworld | Big fees. | [22:09] |
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dexX7 | well, such a fee level is at least motivating the issuer to perform well | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | lolk | [22:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+] | [22:11] |
mircea_popescu | normally i'd say "i wish to meet that elated 1% of bitcoin financiers which actually make 2% a year", but i think i already have. | [22:11] |
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mircea_popescu | anyway, parity didn't hold up long : | [22:13] |
mircea_popescu | Aug 15 18:44:58 |
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mircea_popescu | Aug 15 18:44:59 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 21 01:55:33 |
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mircea_popescu | Sep 21 03:21:59 |
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mircea_popescu | Oct 06 15:25:37 |
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mircea_popescu | Oct 08 18:07:10 |
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mircea_popescu | Oct 08 18:08:11 |
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mircea_popescu | and with that the story ends. | [22:14] |
mircea_popescu | -17% on assets, -22% on fees, half your money back in half a year. | [22:14] |
Namworld | Considering the first thing I did was lend over 700 BTC to a GPU miner thinking it was just 7 grand and the current price per BTC, I'm not close of having positive earnings on average per year. | [22:15] |
mircea_popescu | you still in the hole with giga/amazingrando huh | [22:15] |
assbot | AMAZING COMPANY! | [22:15] |
dexX7 | labcoin was a more exciting way to lose money | [22:16] |
Namworld | Although I definitly made some money afterward. | [22:16] |
Namworld | Well i started with 900 BTC in early 2012. Lost most. Definitly don't have that much. | [22:16] |
Namworld | I might be close to achieving that back tho. | [22:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00589773 = 1.4744 BTC [-] | [22:17] |
mircea_popescu | well gl. | [22:17] |
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Namworld | It's been rough, especially with the 15 -> 1200 run in 2013. How is one supposed to beat 100x returns on just holding through investing? | [22:27] |
peterl | invest in S.MPOE? | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | no because that's like scientology. | [22:27] |
mircea_popescu | Jan 12 23:14:43 |
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Namworld | I had to help with BitVPS which RG just abandoned like that. Buy servers and everything. Stuff like that. Losses vs just holding. | [22:28] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc ( 0.00087052- 0.0006592)/ 0.0006592 | [22:29] |
gribble | 0.32057038835 | [22:29] |
peterl | which we are grateful you saved that for us | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | o hey, 32%. | [22:29] |
peterl | psh, only 32% that is nowhere near 100x! | [22:29] |
Namworld | Arij helped a lot too. | [22:29] |
Namworld | We both missed a ton on the BTC rate increase. | [22:29] |
mircea_popescu | peterl well technically, it's at least > 9000x zero | [22:29] |
Namworld | It's 32% in BTC. So 1.32 x 100 | [22:30] |
peterl | right, this is btc accounting instead of Usagi accounting | [22:30] |
Namworld | 132x value in fiat. It was better than holding BTC. | [22:31] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24358 @ 0.00086874 = 21.1608 BTC [-] {2} | [22:32] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07485302 = 1.6468 BTC [+] {3} | [22:32] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.0433452 = 3.1642 BTC [+] {3} | [22:35] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0434395 = 0.1738 BTC [+] {2} | [22:36] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.00404842 = 0.7571 BTC [-] {2} | [22:38] |
mircea_popescu | Namworld it also doesn't count dividends. | [22:40] |
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Namworld | oh, that too. | [22:47] |
Namworld | Someone should calculate that. | [22:48] |
moiety | someone sent r3wt to me yesterday :/ | [22:49] |
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Namworld | For what? | [22:56] |
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moiety | i think to check to see if i can contact TF | [23:04] |
moiety | he was voicing faux concern | [23:04] |
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moiety | i hadnt realised openex was hacked a fortnight ago | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | ya | [23:07] |
moiety | but then neither did he for a while | [23:08] |
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moiety | i get probed every now and then, i guess its to be expected | [23:12] |
thestringpuller | topace: unlock my account | [23:16] |
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moiety | http://i.imgur.com/I9XgLMN.jpg honesty the best policy?! | [23:19] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 190 @ 0.00589773 = 1.1206 BTC [-] | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a88c2b550b2750929342bef44551e7a/tumblr_myaf6dYk1f1rq17hmo1_1280.jpg | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | lies! | [23:32] |
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thestringpuller | .bait | [23:35] |
moiety | lolol mircea_popescu but why does she look so angry? 1) she must get LOADS of tips and 2) this one is inside! she should be happier! | [23:35] |
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mircea_popescu | hehe good points | [23:39] |
mircea_popescu | http://24.media.tumblr.com/b21c1fbb69b3b3e6bd39c59f4279e106/tumblr_mz1p5m1UDV1rwxb4zo1_250.gif definitely beats sandra. | [23:40] |
jurov | lol again czech menu on the blackboard | [23:40] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] | [23:44] |
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moiety | she, however, does not look happy to be outside | [23:54] |
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Neil | ;;prevdiffchange | [23:55] |
gribble | 21.92473 | [23:55] |
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moiety | i found bingo's spiritual dog http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/09/hair-of-the-dog-miracle-vodka-cure-saves-puppy-from-certain-death-4494150/ | [23:56] |
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moiety | had to get drunk on vodka to live | [23:56] |
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