Forum logs for 09 Mar 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
moiety been as well just paying him [00:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://leahmcgrathgoodman.com/haters/ [00:03]
mircea_popescu kinda lulzy stuff. [00:03]
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mircea_popescu "I would bet 0.1btc asicminer pays more in divs the following year." [00:06]
mircea_popescu SIXTY BUX [00:06]
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kakobrekla call it an investment [00:10]
ThickAsThieves “Ms. McGrath…my apologies for saying this, you don’t have a clue that you are clueless. If you have the guts to debate me in the press, send me your email address and let’s have it out.” [00:11]
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ThickAsThieves hey at least he wants to be [00:12]
ThickAsThieves bet [00:12]
ThickAsThieves make it happen [00:12]
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ThickAsThieves maybe he loses $600 come resolution [00:12]
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kakobrekla he wont bet really, not even .1 [00:13]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla has it. [00:32]
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mircea_popescu why do scammers manage to retain so little of the btc they scam ? well... "We also believe candor benefits us as managers: the CEO who misleads others in public may eventually mislead himself in private." [00:43]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 269 @ 0.000898 = 0.2416 BTC [+] [00:50]
ThickAsThieves mp you gonna start a elder scrolls online guild too? [00:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2312 BTC [+] [00:51]
ThickAsThieves http://elderscrollsonline.com/en/media/videos/703 [00:51]
mircea_popescu i never got into that, [00:51]
mircea_popescu but why don't you start it ? [00:52]
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ThickAsThieves i'm hoping i can avoid playing it at all [00:53]
ThickAsThieves otherwise 80-800 hours gone [00:53]
Duffer1 i'm pretty disappointed in the latest crop of mmos [00:54]
dexX7_ 38k doge stolen. < quite a few hacks recently. gox, bistamp, flexcoin, polioniex and openex [00:54]
ThickAsThieves i ran a guild once in WoW, started off okay, ended up a slave [00:54]
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mircea_popescu i've been running a rift guild for what, 4 months ? [00:56]
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ThickAsThieves Duffer1 this one looks okay, though it seems to borrow from Rift a bit [00:56]
mircea_popescu it has ~900 members, and i kick ass at it :D [00:56]
mircea_popescu also dominate the ah, but that's usually the case with me [00:57]
ThickAsThieves you must not participate in raiding [00:57]
mircea_popescu i do not. [00:57]
mircea_popescu i never do, i have 5-6 legatii milites to do it [00:57]
Duffer1 i've watched some twitch footage of eso, it doesn't look like my type of game, but it's an mmo so i'll still probably play it a bit hehe [00:58]
ThickAsThieves i only play dota 2 really [00:58]
Duffer1 leading raids reminds me of herding cats [00:58]
ThickAsThieves i like that it's just 45min and over [00:58]
ThickAsThieves yet you can play 100s of games and still learn [00:58]
Duffer1 blizz's new moba looks like a lot of fun [00:59]
mircea_popescu raids are really too much like low level sales jobs. [00:59]
mircea_popescu at least to my taste. [00:59]
ThickAsThieves didnt know they had a moba, neat! [01:00]
ThickAsThieves that card game they have looks tarded [01:00]
Duffer1 if you can get a core group of competent players on a set schedule then raiding can be a lot of fun [01:00]
Duffer1 heroes of the storm i believe it's going to be called [01:01]
ThickAsThieves raiding is a paradox that can't be solved [01:01]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 but it still consists of following a set procedure and talking to people on the phone. [01:01]
ThickAsThieves it would be fun if you remove dthe shitty parts [01:01]
ThickAsThieves but the shitty parts are why people raid [01:01]
cazalla raiding is dead [01:01]
Duffer1 it becomes more about the hanging out with friends than the raiding [01:01]
cazalla it's not really about skill, it's a social thing now [01:02]
mircea_popescu so then you suck at raiding. [01:02]
ThickAsThieves lol [01:02]
ThickAsThieves indeed [01:02]
cazalla look at the first year of WoW versus the pos it is now [01:02]
mircea_popescu cazalla didn't wow end up giving noobs max level just to prop their numbers for investors conference call ? [01:02]
ThickAsThieves when i was in a hardcore WoW guild, with real progression, the leader was a total drill sergeant [01:02]
ThickAsThieves probly cuz it's all that works [01:02]
KRS-One i tried WoW. hated it.. warcraft2 ftw. zug zug. [01:03]
mircea_popescu yeah, middle management for mcdonalds. [01:03]
Duffer1 hehe [01:03]
cazalla ThickAsThieves: it worked well [01:03]
mircea_popescu "you gotta move the broom like so!" [01:03]
cazalla I did DKP for my guild, it was like taking the high school drop out and making him a cop [01:03]
ThickAsThieves hehe [01:03]
ThickAsThieves i made my own system for loot [01:03]
ThickAsThieves just to appease everyone [01:04]
ThickAsThieves you know how that ended up [01:04]
cazalla WoW didn't really compare to Everquest though, that game was social + hardcore, none of this soloing rubbish [01:04]
ThickAsThieves despite every subtlety to be fair, it never mattered [01:04]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves did you scam them ? [01:05]
ThickAsThieves never [01:05]
Duffer1 cazz going to play eq next? [01:05]
ThickAsThieves you cant lead and get good loot [01:05]
mircea_popescu i wonder what thery say if i asked them :D [01:05]
ThickAsThieves pfff [01:05]
ThickAsThieves while they wouldnt say i scammed, many would say they disagreed with choices [01:05]
cazalla reputation mattered in everquest as well, doesn't matter for shit in WoW [01:06]
ThickAsThieves some veteren would show up after months away and expect the best loot, some noob would die first for 10 weeks and expect same drop [01:06]
mircea_popescu sounds legit. [01:06]
ThickAsThieves no one's happy unless they are getting loot [01:06]
ThickAsThieves only solution is, randomize the loot [01:07]
cazalla unless your item never drops [01:07]
mircea_popescu no one is happy unless they are getting more than they estimated they're worth, and everyone's overestimating his own importance. [01:07]
cazalla bow off chromagg never dropped for me in 2 years : [01:07]
mircea_popescu that's why governments which make a point of subjects' hapiness never end well. [01:07]
ThickAsThieves it's odd that these games never implemented their own DKP systems [01:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla why not just buy it [01:07]
ThickAsThieves i guess drama builds adoption [01:08]
ThickAsThieves just like btc [01:08]
cazalla wasn't something you could buy mircea_popescu [01:08]
mircea_popescu ew [01:08]
mircea_popescu see, this is fucktarded. i would never play a game where you can't buy everything [01:08]
mircea_popescu it is an insult to everything i hold right proper and important. [01:08]
ThickAsThieves surely rift has raid-only drops [01:08]
Duffer1 bind on pickup has it's place though surely [01:08]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 bind on equip. [01:09]
mircea_popescu bind on pickup is offensive, i'd rather date leah. [01:09]
cazalla mircea_popescu: there was a server in EQ like that which allowed everything to be traded so there was a lot of buying/selling going on for that server [01:09]
mircea_popescu with her oblong trucker stop face. [01:09]
Duffer1 ha [01:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 51 @ 0.00577999 = 0.2948 BTC [+] [01:09]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves rift is of the azn economic persuasion [01:11]
mircea_popescu (it has like 50+ currency types, it's insane, tokens of this, tokens of that) [01:11]
Duffer1 is there no bind on pickup in rift? i only played the beta [01:12]
ThickAsThieves but no raid-only drops? [01:12]
ThickAsThieves i find that very hard to believe [01:12]
ThickAsThieves raiders must feel special [01:12]
cazalla yes, i must feel superior to the scrubs [01:13]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves there's raid-only materials [01:13]
mircea_popescu required in crafting [01:13]
mircea_popescu afaik nothing is bound unless you equip it [01:13]
mircea_popescu thre are some bound to char/acct stuff you buy via the fiat shop [01:13]
ThickAsThieves but no Legendary Shield of Final Boss? [01:13]
mircea_popescu well in fairness i craft epic items and moist everyone doesn't have them [01:14]
mircea_popescu there's no relics crafted yet, too expensive [01:14]
mircea_popescu there's legendary and i think 2 more rarities past that [01:14]
mircea_popescu so plenty of room for surprises. [01:14]
ThickAsThieves these Bliz moba videos arent very compelling [01:14]
ThickAsThieves it's funny how Dota basically riffed off Bliz characters already [01:15]
ThickAsThieves so now the Bliz moba feels deriviative [01:15]
ThickAsThieves (sp) [01:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 36 @ 0.004597 = 0.1655 BTC [+] [01:15]
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mircea_popescu derivative [01:15]
Duffer1 how does bitcoin integrate to your guild MP? [01:16]
cazalla bliz moba will just be another social game with a shop so you can spend more money on flair [01:16]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 you can buy plat for it [01:16]
cazalla i hope and mmo brings bitcoin into a game and does away with their own in game currency, that'd be interesting in a game with a solid crafting system [01:17]
cazalla an* [01:17]
mircea_popescu cazalla you heard of s.mg ? [01:17]
Duffer1 i see [01:17]
cazalla is that your mmo? [01:17]
ThickAsThieves i'd play dota 2 way more if btc was on the line [01:17]
cazalla i saw pics of that on your blog i believe unless i'm wrong, forget the name [01:18]
mircea_popescu cazalla it's this company that's been working for half a year at making a bitcoin based mmo [01:18]
mircea_popescu with a strong crafting system [01:18]
mircea_popescu exacrtly what you were describing [01:18]
cazalla what's the name again [01:18]
cazalla of the game [01:18]
mircea_popescu eulora [01:18]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves im pretty sure you'll be hooked once it's playable. [01:19]
mircea_popescu imo the only games worth playing anymore are btc games, if well done. [01:19]
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Duffer1 do people actually buy plat for btc? [01:20]
Duffer1 er with* [01:20]
ThickAsThieves i almost wanna get into 3d modelling just to bank off all the hat buyers [01:21]
ThickAsThieves modeling [01:21]
Duffer1 hehe [01:21]
cazalla ugh hats [01:21]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves will be a good skill ot have, get btc off smg too [01:21]
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ThickAsThieves i imagine i have good base knowledge with years of vector art experience in 2d [01:22]
cazalla i wonder if using bitcoin as in-game currency would stop mudflation [01:23]
wao-ender http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aWZ2z4x_700b_v1.jpg [01:23]
mircea_popescu cazalla thats the plan [01:23]
wao-ender cazalla: is there problem to make it as in-app payments? [01:23]
wao-ender I think it's happening already [01:23]
cazalla wao-ender: depends if it's only used to buy products from the company or if players can do trade [01:24]
wao-ender ex. buy levels in game, buy experience, skills.. [01:24]
cazalla i hate that sort of thing [01:25]
cazalla allow players to buy/sell items or w/e else they find in the world but that's it [01:25]
wao-ender wait, you don't remember how shareware worked few decades ago? [01:25]
cazalla no, i had full version of stuff [01:25]
cazalla paying to upgrade skills or levels is pay to win [01:26]
wao-ender that's what consumers want, easy win [01:26]
ThickAsThieves i think a certain amount of paying to level is fine [01:26]
cazalla buying/selling items that i find legitimately in game is just common sense [01:26]
ThickAsThieves particularly in a game like WoW [01:26]
wao-ender obviously, retards will pay. [01:26]
cazalla ThickAsThieves: you end up with more idiots who don't know how to play their class that way [01:27]
ThickAsThieves well i said a certain amount [01:27]
ThickAsThieves let me explain [01:27]
ThickAsThieves for example once youve max lvl'd [01:27]
ThickAsThieves let me roll another character without doing every stupid quest again [01:28]
ThickAsThieves it's insulting [01:28]
wao-ender it's imba, right. [01:28]
cazalla you need to make the leveling process slow if you do it that way imo [01:29]
cazalla just so that it actually means something to have a max level character [01:29]
ThickAsThieves sure, maybe the first time, and less and less each time after [01:29]
Duffer1 i like how wow eventually tackled that problem [01:30]
ThickAsThieves likein WoW, there was often a shortage of tanks and healers [01:30]
ThickAsThieves so i had to roll them myself as leader [01:30]
cazalla although i will agree that with an older game like WoW, it makes sense to let people buy levels as it's population heavy at the top end [01:30]
ThickAsThieves fuck me if i'm gonna spend all the time to level [01:30]
Duffer1 with legacy honor gear that's tradable to your alts that give massive xp bonuses [01:30]
ThickAsThieves i just bought more accounts [01:30]
ThickAsThieves they introduced that around the time i stopped playing [01:31]
ThickAsThieves wraith king expansion [01:31]
Duffer1 ya they introduced it wayyyy too late [01:31]
cazalla i quit after that wotlk, far too much hand holding, it became really boring [01:31]
Duffer1 same [01:31]
ThickAsThieves and they got very lazy on raid design [01:32]
ThickAsThieves like the Arena raid [01:32]
ThickAsThieves ugh [01:32]
Duffer1 i have no interest in mists of pandas or the new one [01:32]
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cazalla i'm looking forward to EQN but i doubt it'll be as hardcore as the original, that's not so bad once you have kids though [01:32]
ThickAsThieves it's also insulting how often they'd reuse models [01:32]
Duffer1 eqn looks very interesting [01:33]
ThickAsThieves it seems stupid, but dota 2 letting you buy outfits is such a better solution then just not designing new ones [01:33]
ThickAsThieves than [01:33]
cazalla yet to play that but i assume outfits are just their version of LoL skins? [01:34]
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ThickAsThieves dota 2 is very much like LoL yes [01:34]
ThickAsThieves in LoL i think it's entire outfits [01:35]
ThickAsThieves where in dota it's pieces [01:35]
ThickAsThieves like hat or clothes or helmet [01:35]
cazalla that sounds better [01:35]
ThickAsThieves but they let you replace entire parts really [01:35]
ThickAsThieves and models can add particle effects etc [01:36]
ThickAsThieves some even come with new voice acting [01:36]
ThickAsThieves i'm not terribly familiar with LoL, even though it's more popular [01:36]
ThickAsThieves i hat ethe art style [01:36]
ThickAsThieves that borderlands kinda shit [01:37]
ThickAsThieves ugly [01:37]
Duffer1 woah [01:37]
Duffer1 woah [01:37]
cazalla i don't mind it [01:37]
Duffer1 borderlands art is infinitely better than lol [01:37]
Duffer1 LoL [01:37]
cazalla disagree it's borderlands type though as i hate that style too [01:37]
ThickAsThieves i dont play that either [01:37]
ThickAsThieves sorry [01:37]
ThickAsThieves LoL just looks cheap [01:38]
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Duffer1 i agree [01:38]
ThickAsThieves dota 2 is much better [01:38]
cazalla cheap runs on more computers which i would guess is why it's so popular, it'll run on a calculator [01:38]
Duffer1 try the first borderlands if you're into rpgs [01:38]
ThickAsThieves basically dota 2 riffed off WoW and removed some of the cartoony aspects [01:38]
ThickAsThieves like everything being super blocky [01:39]
ThickAsThieves just cuz 3d designers are super lazy [01:39]
ThickAsThieves or underpaid [01:39]
Duffer1 or bad :P [01:40]
ThickAsThieves ya [01:40]
Duffer1 in wow i always got the sense that the texture artists were really unhappy with the models they got [01:40]
ThickAsThieves i dont see how they could not be the same team [01:41]
ThickAsThieves i think their budget was just nil [01:41]
Duffer1 it's like they had one modeller doing everything, who's style showed throughout every piece of gear, and the rest of the team were disgruntled texture artists [01:42]
Duffer1 i don't miss wow hehe, i do miss cracking out on a good mmo though, it's been a really long time [01:43]
ThickAsThieves it sounds silly but ugly models definitely contributed to me losing interest in raiding too [01:43]
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ThickAsThieves they didnt appreciate vanity enough [01:43]
Duffer1 exactly [01:43]
ThickAsThieves as LoL and Dota make quite clear [01:43]
Duffer1 if you're going to make every lvl 80 character class look the same in end game then you better damned well make them look good [01:44]
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ThickAsThieves illidan warglaives probly made them millions of $ [01:44]
Duffer1 ha probably [01:44]
ThickAsThieves 10s of millions maybe [01:44]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves alternatively, don't allow a second character at all. [01:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: unrelated - from what part of the world is mpoepr ? [01:50]
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mircea_popescu california [01:50]
asciilifeform flower in the desert. [01:50]
ThickAsThieves how do you disallow more characters whilst allowing new accounts? [01:51]
mircea_popescu for instance by removing the incentive to make one [01:51]
mircea_popescu why do you want to play anything other than your character anyway ? because inept game design introduced artificial barriers perhaps ? [01:51]
ThickAsThieves what if i wanna have a druid AND a vampire? [01:52]
mircea_popescu well your druid will die anyway, and permadeath [01:52]
Duffer1 i had one of every class to learn pvp weaknesses [01:52]
mircea_popescu you can make his kid a vampire [01:52]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform california is a big place you know [01:52]
ThickAsThieves mp did you ever play that iOS game where every time you die you are the son? [01:53]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves no ? [01:53]
mircea_popescu i don't think i ever played an ios game [01:53]
ThickAsThieves whats it called someone help me [01:53]
mircea_popescu http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/teen-charged-killing-parents-california-mansion-article-1.1714754 [01:53]
ThickAsThieves http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinity_Blade [01:53]
ozbot Infinity Blade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [01:53]
ThickAsThieves you pass on your armory [01:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5409 @ 0.00083137 = 4.4969 BTC [+] [01:54]
ThickAsThieves so your son can fight the good fight [01:54]
mircea_popescu sounds like eulora. [01:54]
ThickAsThieves simple but cool game [01:54]
ThickAsThieves made tons of $ [01:54]
asciilifeform from the same rag, 'Canadian man who poked holes in condoms to impregnate girlfriend loses appeal' [01:55]
cazalla ThickAsThieves: rogue legacy? [01:55]
ThickAsThieves Infinity Blade [01:55]
asciilifeform 'Army captain cries during general’s court martial over alleged sex misconduct' [01:55]
mircea_popescu "The two went through a contentious divorce in 1999 but remained friends, business partners and housemates sharing the $3.7 million, six bedroom, eight bathroom home." [01:56]
mircea_popescu someone needs to explain this open [01:56]
mircea_popescu one* [01:56]
Duffer1 holy shit MP it's Donna's parents from That 70s Show [01:56]
asciilifeform damn, i should read the u.s. fishwraps more often, full of lulz [01:56]
Duffer1 http://images2.fanpop.com/images/polls/248000/248307_1244328184341_full.jpg [01:57]
mircea_popescu gee it must suck for that 8yo. [01:58]
mircea_popescu parents killed, paralyzed, enjoy your fambly estate. [01:58]
Duffer1 at least he didn't unload at a school [02:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00083488 = 38.154 BTC [+] {5} [02:03]
ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zx9zj/arthur_nakamoto_my_brother_dorian_satoshi_nakamoto/ [02:04]
ozbot Arthur Nakamoto: My brother, Dorian Satoshi Nakamoto... : Bitcoin [02:04]
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ThickAsThieves checl out these ads http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5485006/colorado-releases-new-drugged-driving-ad-campaign [02:05]
asciilifeform http://www.theverge.com/2014/3/8/5483774/the-cupid-drone-strikes-with-80000-volts-to-the-chest [02:07]
ozbot The CUPID drone strikes with 80,000 volts to the chest | The Verge [02:07]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform journos must seriously be going to a special retardation school. [02:10]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what sort of reverse midas effect this is, but it's uncanny [02:10]
mircea_popescu any topic they touch turns to shit [02:10]
asciilifeform they go to spam school. [02:10]
asciilifeform must be. [02:10]
ThickAsThieves getting tased for demo is so stupid [02:11]
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ThickAsThieves i did a police ride-along and demo day once [02:11]
mircea_popescu http://www.insideworldfootball.com/world-football/europe/14238-popescu-jailed-as-romanian-judge-hammers-football-fraudsters [02:11]
ozbot Popescu jailed as Romanian judge hammers football fraudsters - Inside World Football [02:11]
ThickAsThieves why would you ever volunteer to be tased? [02:11]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves people volunteer for women in heels to walk all over their ballsack. [02:12]
mircea_popescu what do you want, people are strange. [02:12]
asciilifeform if i recall, some u.s. police academies require taking a shot from a taser. [02:12]
ThickAsThieves yeah [02:13]
ThickAsThieves so they know what they are dishing out [02:13]
mircea_popescu did they do that back in the gun days toio ? [02:13]
mircea_popescu also, tasers are stupid easy to counteract. no idea why anyone thinks they're effective or anything. [02:14]
asciilifeform they should require a firing squad with at least plastic rounds. [02:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: taser came out of a fad for 'humane' police gear. [02:14]
mircea_popescu http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/151067206670?lpid=82 [02:15]
ozbot Blackend Chainmail Shirt Butted Chain Mail Armor Costume Chainmaille Medium Size | eBay [02:15]
mircea_popescu $100 dollars. [02:15]
ThickAsThieves yeah now these drone vid guys wanna sort humane help for cops [02:15]
ThickAsThieves surreal [02:15]
mircea_popescu what's a taser cost, 2k ? [02:15]
ThickAsThieves less [02:15]
asciilifeform no need for chainmail, an ordinary greatcoat does fine [02:15]
ThickAsThieves depends on strength i guess [02:15]
ThickAsThieves and charge [02:15]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no, you want to short it. [02:15]
mircea_popescu nothing quite like the shit exploding in the cop's hands [02:16]
ThickAsThieves yeah then he'll shoot you for real [02:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: short doesn't do much - modern electric shocker works the way a photo flash does - charge a cap, and let it short through the victim [02:16]
asciilifeform (victim in place of xenon tube) [02:16]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves double the chain with kevlar, he can shoot you till he gets bored. [02:17]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is true. [02:17]
asciilifeform a while ago i mentioned tommyguns that were sent to russia during 'lend-lease' [02:17]
asciilifeform there is a curious tale about those [02:17]
asciilifeform at one point, two drunken grunts decided to have a duel with them [02:17]
asciilifeform both got away with broken ribs and a penal battalion sentence. [02:18]
ThickAsThieves standing too far apart? [02:18]
ThickAsThieves or rigged weapons? [02:19]
asciilifeform (they wore the traditional heavy greatcoats) [02:19]
asciilifeform soft, slow .45. [02:19]
mircea_popescu what, and it failed to penetrate ? [02:19]
asciilifeform correct. [02:20]
mircea_popescu that's trollage. [02:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15440 @ 0.00083906 = 12.9551 BTC [+] {2} [02:20]
asciilifeform the first bullet proof vests were, after all... silk. [02:20]
mircea_popescu the round, even historical, is closely subsonic. [02:20]
ThickAsThieves here russia, take all these guns, they work fine trust me! [02:21]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 300**2 * .2 / 2 [02:21]
gribble 9000 [02:21]
mircea_popescu 9kJ. srsly nao. [02:21]
ThickAsThieves inspection shows barrels riddled with grainy bits [02:21]
moiety we had a bren but we arent allowed it back with out getting the licence redone in England [02:22]
asciilifeform 'v' is more important than 'm' here. [02:22]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform most .45 fires at around 300km/h [02:22]
ThickAsThieves maybe it was a joke never properly explained, they threw the guns at eachother [02:23]
mircea_popescu even taking a more historically accurate 200 km/h which is what i did... [02:23]
mircea_popescu or meant to do... [02:23]
asciilifeform there could be many explanation for the story, assuming it took place as described [02:24]
asciilifeform but it is not entirely implausible [02:24]
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asciilifeform i also recall accounts of 45acp failing to perforate NK soldiers during korean war [02:32]
asciilifeform but, i wasn't there, did not see this alive. [02:32]
mircea_popescu what is this, some martial arts fascination ? [02:34]
mircea_popescu a .45 round will go through an engine block, let alone some bloke [02:34]
asciilifeform brought it up because of the taser/coat question. [02:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what do you load yours with, titanium ? [02:34]
mircea_popescu i just can't conceive how that'd happen. maybe if the round was hand filled with dust ? [02:34]
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mircea_popescu what is it, copper mostly [02:36]
mircea_popescu copper-nickel w/e [02:37]
asciilifeform for those concerned with the question of what will or won't go through X, 'youtube' is the place. [02:38]
asciilifeform (well actually, the correct place is a deserted junkyard. but the next best thing) [02:39]
mircea_popescu i suppose in an extremely rare case a shot could ricochet of a rib or something, but srsly nao. [02:39]
mike_c mythbusters has done a bunch of shows on "is it bulletproof" [02:47]
asciilifeform ballistics testing is possibly the #1 hobby of youtube folks [02:47]
asciilifeform quality varies [02:47]
mircea_popescu i would guess this'd be because a gun is pretty much the coolest toy adults can afford. [02:48]
mircea_popescu all those "guns are not toys" adds backfired i guess [02:48]
asciilifeform it's a variant on 'ricing' [02:49]
asciilifeform (people who endlessly fidget with their cars) [02:49]
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mircea_popescu http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0417217/quotes?item=qt0158941 << re this excellent pacino performance : [02:49]
ozbot Two for the Money (2005) - Quotes - IMDb [02:49]
mircea_popescu people seem to have taken the smoking kills adds the same way [02:49]
mircea_popescu "well it DOES kill people, and it HASN'T killed me, [02:49]
mircea_popescu therefore i am special [02:49]
mircea_popescu ergo smoking makes me special" [02:50]
B007 smoking is way down in the us [02:50]
asciilifeform there's also 'mortido' (as in libido) [02:50]
B007 idk about europe [02:50]
mircea_popescu B007 depends how you measure it. [02:50]
B007 less people per 1000? [02:50]
asciilifeform folks who don't get their 'dietary minimum' of 'millideaths per day' tend to get edgy. [02:50]
mircea_popescu PM was trading ~50 a share in 2008 and is trading ~90 a share now [02:51]
mircea_popescu 31bn revenue / 8bn net [02:51]
mircea_popescu about 7x as big as facebook, to put it in terms readily digestible by the online crowd [02:52]
mircea_popescu much better profit margin, too. twice as good, in fact. [02:52]
mircea_popescu BTI is probably a better example. ~5 per share in the 80s, 100+ per share now. [02:53]
B007 I which I could get in....tfw no money [02:54]
B007 *wish [02:54]
mircea_popescu ~25bn gross ~6bn net, so roughly 4x facebook. [02:54]
mircea_popescu so there you have it : smoking is down and the industry makes a degree of magnitude more than social media. [02:54]
mircea_popescu who's killing who here ? [02:54]
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B007 thats accually a good point, but it is still true that smoking in the us is down [02:56]
B007 I never stated anything about profits or size compared to fb [02:56]
mircea_popescu so what do you mean, smoking as a behaviour ? [02:56]
mircea_popescu fucking is also down in the us. [02:57]
mircea_popescu and making sense. and making money. and generally everything. [02:57]
B007 ummm [02:57]
mircea_popescu it's what happens when places go to shit. everything goes down. [02:57]
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B007 yeah, but Romania gdp 169,400 vs US 15,680,000 [03:01]
B007 we have about the same gdp as all of europe [03:01]
asciilifeform 'Industry is the only true source of wealth, and there was no industry in Rome. By day the Ostia road was crowded with carts and muleteers, carrying to the great city the silks and spices of the East, the marble of Asia Minor, the timber of the Atlas, the grain of Africa and Egypt; and the carts brought nothing out but loads of dung. That was their return cargo. London turns dirt into gold. Rome turned gold int [03:03]
asciilifeform o dirt.' [03:03]
asciilifeform (reade's 'martyrdom of man') [03:03]
asciilifeform s/rome/usa [03:03]
B007 yes, we still have huge industries [03:03]
B007 in case you weren't aware [03:03]
asciilifeform well, there's pointing a gun at people to make them pay for copied bits [03:04]
asciilifeform and then there's building the gun [03:04]
asciilifeform and, mostly completing the list, maintaining infrastructure (sort of!) [03:04]
mircea_popescu B007 what huge industry were you tihnking about ? [03:06]
mircea_popescu they can't even run a paper mill for chrissakes. [03:07]
asciilifeform 'arse-mouth loop system' economy. [03:07]
mircea_popescu my grandfather was a mayor, and a bunch of other things, but the one true source of public respect was that he owned and operated an american mill [03:09]
mircea_popescu it was like... people actually came an extra distance with oxen fucking carts just because of that cool. [03:09]
mircea_popescu then there was a war and a number of unfortunate choices... and by today people may want japanese stuff, [03:10]
mircea_popescu but i can't readily think of anything which'd be improved by being made in the us. [03:10]
mircea_popescu perhaps a cuisinart ? [03:10]
asciilifeform how quickly the 'cool' goes. [03:10]
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mircea_popescu they don't really make the cuisinarts in the us anymore do they [03:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: mine certainly wasn't. [03:11]
asciilifeform 100% chicom [03:11]
mircea_popescu not even a cuisinart. [03:11]
mircea_popescu The trademark is a subsidiary of and owned by Conair Corporation which acquired the brand following Cuisinart's bankruptcy in 1989. [03:12]
mircea_popescu heh. [03:12]
mircea_popescu the consumer appliance that inspired jobs. [03:12]
mircea_popescu how quickly the cool goes... [03:12]
Duffer1 if you want it to taste really good and take 30 years off the average life span of your customers.. and be dirt cheap, then you want american expertise [03:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the four little green RNGs were made at a u.s. plant. cost: ~their weight in pure gold. [03:13]
asciilifeform (the boards alone!) [03:13]
mircea_popescu well at least that gold didnt turn into pure shit. [03:14]
asciilifeform i think every other customer of that place is part of the DOD wankatron. [03:15]
asciilifeform no one else in his right mind has anything made here [03:15]
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asciilifeform visit the web site of any u.s. pcb maker, they're all decorated with pictures of fighter jets, boats, etc. [03:15]
mike_c PM is actually international only, no US. [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07900102 = 0.158 BTC [-] {2} [03:16]
michiel_l midnightmagic mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mixdio_ [03:16]
mircea_popescu mike_c it doesn't sell in the us ?! [03:16]
mike_c they split it up. NYSE:PM is intl only [03:17]
mike_c I believe Altria holds PM USA [03:17]
mircea_popescu no lm, no marlboro ? [03:17]
mircea_popescu oh [03:17]
Duffer1 ya altria [03:17]
mike_c although they have done well over the last few years too [03:17]
mircea_popescu mike_c yeah it doesn't substantially alter the argument [03:18]
mike_c i thought it would, but it does not. altria has doubled over the last few years [03:18]
mircea_popescu in fact, it bolsters it : intl only pm does substantially equally well as the us-only pm [03:18]
mircea_popescu hahahaha this is hysterical : [03:19]
mircea_popescu USA tobacco 18,474 / 4,812 [03:19]
mircea_popescu International tobacco 48,260 / 8,458 [03:20]
mircea_popescu usa tobaccomuch more productive. i guess bans help indeed. [03:20]
mike_c it's interesting, because i have always heard anecedotally that taxes were killing US tobacco. i guess i heard it from the tobacco lobby :) [03:21]
mircea_popescu i guess you must have yeah. [03:21]
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joecool altria is PM rebranded, they are the same [03:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07900001 = 0.553 BTC [+] {2} [03:33]
moiety when is BB back? [03:33]
joecool altria, rj reylolds, and lorillard i think are the big 3 [03:34]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 99 @ 0.0056 = 0.5544 BTC [-] {4} [03:38]
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Namworld http://coinsight.org/mtgox.html [08:39]
ozbot Mt.Gox BTC Transactions - Coinsight.org [08:39]
Namworld Movements? The heck. [08:39]
mircea_popescu what is coinsight [08:40]
Namworld What now? Mark specifying hackers stole private keys and wiped his servers? [08:41]
mircea_popescu lol [08:41]
Namworld A stats and tracking website. [08:41]
mircea_popescu kinda dubious in that it's based on gox. [08:42]
Namworld I believe this is based on past addresses used by MtGox, as per past transactions listed in their API [08:42]
Namworld API isn't there anymore, but some MtGox addresses where known. [08:43]
mircea_popescu Transactions are recorded automatically every 5 minutes from this page, which displays all Bitcoin transactions from Mt.Gox that have not been confirmed for 2 or more hours according to their wallet software. [08:43]
mircea_popescu link is to mtgox api [08:43]
Namworld Oh... [08:43]
Namworld looks like MtGox is still publishing that it's moving lotta Bitcoins... [08:44]
Namworld This must be an ode to stupidity. [08:45]
mircea_popescu it definitely is. [08:45]
Namworld Ok, I'm laughing now. This is too much. [08:45]
chetty_ they left the fake transaction bots running? [08:46]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete you know, there are numerous religions longer lasting than the catholic church [08:47]
Namworld No... those transactions... some are in the blockchain it seems. [08:47]
mircea_popescu confucius, for one, was born way before christ. [08:48]
mircea_popescu for that matter, so has buddha [08:48]
mircea_popescu either of them has more followers today than jesus [08:48]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: Sure, Judaism too… Maybe not as centralized as such, nor as auspiciously [08:49]
mircea_popescu judaism = christianity. [08:49]
mircea_popescu nobody in the business seriously considers the branches apart from the root. [08:49]
Namworld islam too [08:49]
mircea_popescu judaism -> orthodoxy -> catholicism -> islam, same thing [08:49]
bitcoinpete Lest we forget Mormonism [08:50]
mircea_popescu minor disagreements over who exactly the prophets are [08:50]
mircea_popescu i guess you can include the various protestant and neoprotestant sects in there. [08:50]
mircea_popescu generally they're ignored for their complete lack of intellectual production and cultural impact [08:50]
bitcoinpete Catholic Church still seems to win the "most successful" award for land, art, gold, etc [08:50]
mircea_popescu but if you go by headcount i guess you gotta count the muricans. [08:50]
mircea_popescu only because you're unfamiliar with the east. [08:51]
Namworld Go abraham (not the lincoln one) [08:51]
bitcoinpete Moderately familiar with Hinduism and Buddhism. I guess the branch-tree argument is valid. Continuity is continuity [08:52]
rithm paganism arguably oldest religion [08:52]
mircea_popescu MisterE: Little late for that eh? < lawl. it's what bystanders do, usually. comment on future events as they perceive them, which obviously to the actual players are long past. [08:52]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete the objection was to art land and gold [08:53]
mircea_popescu if you think anyone can compete with buddhism over that you're nuts, they probably have more than all the others combined. [08:53]
mircea_popescu Mats_cd03 yeah not bad measure. [08:53]
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bitcoinpete Huh… nuts I must be. This, I did not know [08:54]
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mircea_popescu they (ie, indian govt) recently opened the vault of donations of one of the larger temples [08:54]
mircea_popescu > 200 tons of gold in items, many older than 1700 [08:55]
mircea_popescu never seen before. [08:55]
MisterE nice [08:55]
MisterE lots of hoards down there [08:55]
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mircea_popescu http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/06/137627235/some-22-billion-in-gold-diamonds-jewels-found-in-indian-temple [08:55]
MisterE what was the british mainly sucking out of them? textiles? [08:56]
mircea_popescu everything thery could get their hands on, basically. [08:56]
jackmaninov jadne jayk Jere_Jones jespern Jezzz jimeh jMyles joecool joesmoe jordandotdev JoshG jurov justusranvier [08:58]
mircea_popescu hey justusranvier [08:58]
bitcoinpete crikey. That makes the Vatican look like a Swiss McDonald's [08:58]
justusranvier hello [08:58]
mircea_popescu my point exactly. [08:58]
jackmaninov jadne jayk Jere_Jones jespern Jezzz jimeh jMyles joecool joesmoe jordandotdev JoshG jurov justusranvier [08:58]
mircea_popescu justusranvier what's your relation to conformal ? [08:58]
justusranvier mircea_popescu: fan [08:58]
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mircea_popescu yeah they really should have a guy here. [08:58]
justusranvier I passed that message along [08:59]
mircea_popescu at the very least mike_c and benkay'd be very interesting in their stuff. [08:59]
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mircea_popescu speaking of wolverine... [08:59]
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punkman http://www.artfido.com/blog/is-this-the-best-way-to-recognize-the-artists-of-famous-paintings/ [09:01]
mircea_popescu lol huge asses ? srsly ? [09:02]
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punkman I lol'd "If everyone – including the women – looks like Putin, then it’s van Eyck." [09:02]
mircea_popescu http://cdn.head-fi.org/a/ae/aec36ec3_arty_pics_big_ass_amateurs_butt_morenna_large.jpg_480_480_0_64000_0_1_0.jpeg < that is large ass. [09:03]
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mircea_popescu i wish i could get dali to ilustrate eulora [09:03]
mircea_popescu sadly... [09:03]
mircea_popescu "If the paintings have tons of little people in them but otherwise seem normal, it’s Bruegel. ajahaha [09:04]
bitcoinpete He didn't even pick the lowest hanging fruit: Botero's chubby fruit [09:04]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete i don't think author even understands there's any depth to the matter. the bread's all flat to him, like he was born in the internet age. [09:05]
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mircea_popescu punkman i suppose the putin-ness has to do with ethnicity. eyck painted locals and putin is apparently baltic stock [09:08]
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bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: flat like Monet's lilypadz, flat like Guernica's bull, flat like Matisse's Icarus, flat like Saskatchewan [09:10]
mircea_popescu no, flat like cartman. [09:11]
bitcoinpete that's flat [09:11]
mircea_popescu http://southpark.wikia.com/wiki/Jewpacabra/Script grep "No! The bread's all flat! No!" [09:11]
ozbot Jewpacabra/Script - South Park Archives - Cartman, Stan, Kenny, Kyle [09:11]
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bitcoinpete Only a month away! [09:12]
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bitcoinpete And incredibly easy for the gluten intolerant [09:13]
mircea_popescu An application of micromorts is measuring the value that humans place on risk: for example, one can consider the amount of money one would have to pay a person to get him or her to accept a one-in-a-million chance of death (or conversely the amount that someone might be willing to pay to avoid a one-in-a-million chance of death). When put thus, people claim a high number but when inferred from their day-to-day actions [09:14]
mircea_popescu (e.g., how much they are willing to pay for safety features on cars) a typical value is around $50 (in 2009) [09:14]
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mircea_popescu However utility functions are often not linear, i.e the more a person has already spent on their safety the less they are willing to spend to further increase their safety. Therefore the $50 valuation should not be taken to mean that a human life (1 million micromorts) is valued at $50,000,000. [09:14]
punkman micromorts, heh [09:14]
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mircea_popescu [But much less.] [09:15]
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mircea_popescu Furthermore the local linearity of any utility curve means that the micromort is useful for small incremental risks and rewards, not necessarily for large risks [09:15]
mircea_popescu [in the sense it overstates their cost] [09:15]
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bitcoinpete Post updated thanks to mircea_popescu [09:21]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/what-is-business-the-roman-catholic-church-for-one/ [09:21]
ozbot What Is Business? The Roman Catholic Church, For One | When Bitcoin Met Pete [09:21]
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mircea_popescu bitcoinpete make. [09:22]
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bitcoinpete Ever vigilant! [09:23]
bitcoinpete Corrected. [09:23]
mircea_popescu "He (John Kerry) made clear that continued military escalation and provocation in Crimea or elsewhere in Ukraine, along with steps to annex Crimea to Russia would close any available space for diplomacy, and he urged utmost restraint," the official said. [09:23]
mircea_popescu the obscure part in all of this is what exact space for diplomacy does russia need here ? [09:24]
mircea_popescu you want the gas fine, you don't want the gas also fine. [09:24]
mircea_popescu you want us to confiscate your investments fine, you don't want us to also fine. [09:24]
mircea_popescu rarely has one such a conveniently diplomacy-immune position. [09:24]
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MisterE "Assange attacked what he sees as the powerlessness of even the most theoretically powerful politicians, and asked what would happen if President Barack Obama said tomorrow he was immediately disbanding the NSA, or even the CIA." [09:31]
MisterE Umm, that evening or the next day he would be assassinated? [09:31]
MisterE http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/mar/08/julian-assange-wikileaks-nsa-sxsw [09:31]
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chetty_ nah, not worth a bullet, they just laugh at him. take his phone away [09:32]
MisterE lol [09:34]
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mircea_popescu nothing at all would happen lol [09:57]
mircea_popescu there;s no such thing as "powerful" in the fiat world, being it a politician including obama, or a media personality including whoever the fuck you watch, or a financial guy. [09:58]
mircea_popescu mat dimon is powerless to do anything about anything, one regular here is a lot more powerful in that WE ACTUALLY CONTROL our bitcoins. [09:58]
mircea_popescu random CEO can do exactly jack shit. [09:58]
MisterE some people hold commodities [09:58]
mircea_popescu which is really why it's so fun to humiliate and torment them, the naked emperors of power. [09:58]
MisterE gold, etc. [09:58]
MisterE hell water is the next asset [09:59]
mircea_popescu yeah, yeah. here's a simple test of your property : [09:59]
mircea_popescu try setting it on fire. [09:59]
MisterE hehe [09:59]
mircea_popescu most people belabouring under the delusion they "own" a house aren't aware they only "own" it inasmuch as there's something to b e paid on it. [09:59]
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MisterE if they used a proper bank ledger they would see everything they have is a liability [10:00]
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MisterE but they are not taught these things in school [10:00]
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mircea_popescu well obama is not in a better position. [10:10]
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jurov ;;bc,stats [11:12]
gribble Current Blocks: 289681 | Current Difficulty: 3.81572379881463E9 | Next Difficulty At Block: 290303 | Next Difficulty In: 622 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 19 hours, 34 minutes, and 58 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 4168639115.88 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.24897 [11:12]
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mircea_popescu http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=81 [15:40]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets bash [15:40]
mircea_popescu ahahaha o may gawd i nearly fell over [15:40]
KRS-One heh fucken vexual [15:45]
KRS-One i like that cunt [15:46]
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deadweasel well this jimmothy is still talkin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=350103.msg5593296#msg5593296 [16:10]
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mircea_popescu i suppose we should have a bet as to when he goes the way of ciuciu, eskimobob and so many other great names [16:25]
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punkman http://themiraclemachine.net/img/info-graphic.png [16:42]
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nubbins` wut [16:49]
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dexX7 yay welcome to teh future [16:58]
dexX7 http://themiraclemachine.net [16:58]
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asciilifeform dexX7: 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' ('judge dredd') [17:02]
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asciilifeform dexX7: if the 'miracle' crap is serious, americans will be drinking the same kind of wine as they drink coffee [17:02]
dexX7 haha true [17:02]
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mircea_popescu !t h neobee [17:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: 0.00362770 / 0.00402835 / 0.00430001 (6748 shares, 27.18330834 BTC), 7D: 0.00360000 / 0.00434362 / 0.00549990 (100201 shares, 435.23483185 BTC), 30D: 0.00261000 / 0.0044337 / 0.00600000 (589434 shares, 2613.37069273 BTC) [17:06]
dexX7 what a trash video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBQ-IoHfimQ ... 18m views pff [17:12]
bitcoinpete sofa king we todd had [17:14]
bitcoinpete and howdy [17:15]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i think that has already been answered, but are options completely disabled or is only the bot not quoting? [17:22]
thestringpuller because of the issue with puts? [17:22]
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bitcoinpete "The other telling tale in terms of currency besides the fact that no central bank is going to ever let (go of) control of how they deal with their own economy, is no one that I've seen so far that's in traditional sales that is taking bitcoin keeps it as bitcoin. They all translate it to dollars. And if you translate it into dollars it's not a currency." - Mark Cuban [17:25]
bitcoinpete http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2014/03/09/mark-cuban-cyber-dust-sxsw/6226925/ [17:26]
ozbot SXSW: Cuban on bitcoin and why texts should bite Cyber Dust [17:26]
asciilifeform 'Kids are understanding that now. That's why Snapchat's been so popular. They don't want to have that footprint out there.' << lol [17:27]
asciilifeform story time [17:29]
asciilifeform asimov was once asked what he would do if he were to take a trip in time machine and could teach/prove just one fact about physics to the ancients [17:30]
asciilifeform he said 'show them the world is made of atoms' [17:30]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller they're disabled. [17:30]
asciilifeform so, if i could teach just one thing to these lost souls: [17:30]
asciilifeform 'the difference between promise and mechanism.' [17:31]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete because obviously the ones that do keep it as bitcoin would report that to mark cuban [17:31]
mircea_popescu it makes perfect sense huh. [17:31]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the difference'd be that the difference between promise and mechanism is by no means a novel idea, just like the knowledge of communism = idiocy is ancient. [17:32]
asciilifeform entirely true! [17:32]
mircea_popescu then again, i suppose the atomic view is also ancient, so... perhaps that's why we can't make time machines yet [17:32]
asciilifeform nothing novel here [17:32]
mircea_popescu we'd be fucking boring to those people. [17:33]
asciilifeform hence the analogy [17:33]
mircea_popescu it's all their spam filters keeping us out [17:33]
asciilifeform and i think mr. a meant 'hammer through their thick retarded heads' rather than merely 'tell them.' [17:33]
mircea_popescu and actually... i wish an ancient would come this way into time and bring me blueprints of his fucking spam filter [17:33]
mircea_popescu that way i could somehow filter out idiots who in 2014 create "momentuous historic events" that "revoilutionise bla bla" by poorly reimplementing 2011's mpex [17:34]
mircea_popescu then again i guess i already have that too, in the form of a philosophy degree [17:34]
bitcoinpete haha [17:34]
mircea_popescu fuck me, the world is perfect [17:34]
mircea_popescu who knew. [17:34]
ThickAsThieves ;;later tell nubbins` Interested in doing art for an album cover? Short turn needed, close-up of beast chomping a microphone. If so, lemme know price, eta. Thanks! [17:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [17:34]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that way i could somehow filter out idiots << but they're already filtered - they aren't in your living room, and they aren't in mine. on the other hand, if filters could physically zap spammers, there would be considerably more interest in filter... [17:36]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu how old is the idea of communism by your reckoning? Mazdak was one of the first notable purveyors, at least according to Tom Holland [17:37]
bitcoinpete asciilifeform: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well, certainly the buddhists [17:38]
CheckDavid http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=About. < anyone knows the difference between this and mastercoin? [17:38]
asciilifeform bitcoinpete: probably as old as the first humanoid who looked with envy at an anthill [17:38]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete it's really just poorly repackaged buddhism [17:39]
asciilifeform bitcoinpete: the ancients understood atoms perfectly well << very peculiar meaning of 'understand' needed for this to be true [17:39]
CheckDavid Did anyone here user open transactions to create or issue an asset? [17:39]
mircea_popescu CheckDavid knotwork perhaps the only one. [17:39]
CheckDavid Oh [17:39]
asciilifeform CheckDavid: plenty of people have used the blockchain as a telegraph, when the occasion called for it [17:40]
CheckDavid knotwork: my nigga [17:40]
mircea_popescu it's an ancient thing, ot, i recall sponsoring it in like 2012 [17:40]
CheckDavid lol [17:40]
bitcoinpete "As a result, this digital-savvy cohort is looking to the tech sector to provide banking solutions. Half of respondents said they were counting on startups to overhaul how banks work, and three-quarters said they would be more excited in financial services provided by Google, Amazon, Apple, PayPal, or Square than from their own banks." [17:43]
bitcoinpete http://www.fastcompany.com/3027197/fast-feed/sorry-banks-millennials-hate-you?utm_content=buffer7a415&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer [17:43]
ozbot Sorry Banks, Millennials Hate You | Fast Company | Business + Innovation [17:43]
bitcoinpete I love the "counting on startups" bit [17:44]
asciilifeform 'Sorry, Meat Processing Plants - Cattle Hate You' [17:44]
mircea_popescu lol [17:44]
mircea_popescu the evolution of the smiley is something incredible. [17:48]
mircea_popescu they were all :-) originally [17:48]
mircea_popescu then people dispensed with the nose, leading to the now common :) [17:48]
asciilifeform speaking of meat processing: [17:48]
mircea_popescu yet the trend aren't stopping, now the eyes are gone too. it's just ))))) [17:49]
asciilifeform many years ago, some russian fellow made a short film about karpeles & co. [17:49]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEnz9CaJqTY [17:49]
ThickAsThieves nose was too derpy [17:49]
asciilifeform no words, so no subtitles needed. [17:49]
mircea_popescu aren't smileys supposed to be derpy ? [17:49]
ThickAsThieves millenials hating banks is as old as overdraft fees [17:49]
mircea_popescu ;~} [17:50]
bitcoinpete mircea_popescu: azns clearly pushed the noseless look, it wasn't no persian [17:50]
ThickAsThieves next is millenials hating cable cuz commercials (cuz netflix) [17:50]
mircea_popescu :¬| [17:50]
mircea_popescu bitcoinpete clearly [17:51]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves im pretty sure cable is dead as a going concern [17:51]
bitcoinpete There's a dilbert hiding in there somewhere [17:51]
ThickAsThieves but dat death grip [17:51]
mircea_popescu they couldn't kill smoking, but cable failed to thrive in the interval [17:51]
mircea_popescu nah, it just survives cause coaxial internet [17:51]
mircea_popescu in most countries cable companies only sell their tv packages because they're bundled with the internet [17:52]
ThickAsThieves %) [17:52]
mircea_popescu otherwise people'd be... whatever. [17:52]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [17:54]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 639.1, Best ask: 641.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.88000, Last trade: 639.1, 24 hour volume: 11624.21200374, 24 hour low: 604.5, 24 hour high: 653.0, 24 hour vwap: 625.505735661 [17:54]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 / 639.1 [17:54]
gribble 6.17085448826e-06 [17:54]
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mircea_popescu ha! trilema the rift guild makes ~600 satoshi a day in taxes. [17:54]
mircea_popescu no wait i fucked it up [17:55]
ThickAsThieves won't even cover a teamspeak server [17:55]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 5.7185 / 1450 * 14.95 / 639.1 [17:55]
gribble 9.22542745995e-05 [17:55]
mircea_popescu 9k satoshi [17:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i gotta ask, wtf is a Gunwitch ? [17:56]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves aren't those free ? [17:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the nom de guerre / plume of some particularly unhinged pick up artist guy [17:56]
ThickAsThieves dunno, i recall needing to pay for larger usage [17:56]
ThickAsThieves maybe that was Ventrilo [17:56]
mircea_popescu who may or may not be this fellow : http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/046/best_guy_ever.jpg [17:56]
asciilifeform i pictured it in my head as a witch who rides a DP (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/Machine_gun_DP_MON.jpg) instead of broom [17:57]
mircea_popescu too feasible. [17:58]
asciilifeform the man in the photo - did he pull the trigger and blow his cock ? [17:58]
asciilifeform he looks determined. [17:58]
mircea_popescu actually, you may get a kick out of reading his (obviously very valuable) instructions and teachings. [17:58]
mircea_popescu it was all about "projecting your sexuality" upon random unfortunate members of the general public [17:59]
mircea_popescu at like... the bus stop [17:59]
mircea_popescu and "make the ho say no" [17:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.39806461 BTC to 3`639 shares, 65899 satoshi per share [17:59]
mircea_popescu then he shot some woman in the face. [17:59]
asciilifeform 'Spam Like a Pro in 21 Days!' [17:59]
mircea_popescu anyway. half the rift guild is russian and ukrainian [17:59]
mircea_popescu we're having a ball these days :D [17:59]
asciilifeform lol [17:59]
asciilifeform also i thought 'witch' in english was female. [18:00]
ThickAsThieves lotsa russians in dota too [18:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform nope. there's no gender in it. [18:00]
asciilifeform ThickAsThieves: also in WOT (the other wot! 'world of tanks') [18:01]
dexX7 CheckDavid: i don't know much about ot, but it seems it's something completly new, more like a next gen bitmessage + encryption + central server bundle. mastercoin has it's own transaction types etc. and stores them encoded in the blockchain [18:01]
mircea_popescu people who speak languages with genders end up with fictitious gender partitions like witch/wizard because the teachers are lazy [18:01]
ThickAsThieves why so many russians in online games now? [18:01]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, there's no such allocation in english [18:01]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves because they can finally afford mass computers and net [18:01]
mircea_popescu in the 2000s it was a business expense for the girfrliendsa working the cams, [18:01]
mircea_popescu and by now on their sweat and toil it became generally available [18:02]
CheckDavid dexX7: oh. So that system is centralized unlike master coin [18:02]
ThickAsThieves porn, the mortar of technology [18:02]
mircea_popescu dexX7 what do you mean new ? the guy's been working at it since before my time [18:02]
asciilifeform porn, the reconnaissance battalion of technology. [18:02]
ThickAsThieves all the people that want decentralized shit like ot and mastercoin are too dumb to use it [18:03]
dexX7 CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. there seem to be central processing servers. new in the sense of "not bitcoin, new underlying technology" [18:03]
CheckDavid I see [18:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform pretty much [18:03]
ThickAsThieves CheckDavid: as said, i'm not really sure how it works. // no one soes [18:03]
ThickAsThieves does* [18:04]
mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves well maybe the traveller dude does, [18:04]
mircea_popescu on his better days [18:04]
ThickAsThieves mostly people just ooh and ahh at screenshots and possibilities [18:04]
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ThickAsThieves imagine all teh IPOz! [18:04]
ThickAsThieves imagine all the less friction! [18:04]
mircea_popescu it still requires you to compile a client and run a server does it ? [18:04]
dexX7 i think so [18:05]
thestringpuller ThickAsThieves: if porn is the mortar of technology, are video games like the firewood? [18:05]
ThickAsThieves no, they are the cumsocks [18:05]
* ThickAsThieves doesn't know what that means. [18:06]
* asciilifeform neither [18:06]
mircea_popescu ;;ud cumsock [18:06]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cumsock | A 'special' sock that is used for 'mopping up' following a 'five knuckle shuffle'. Such footwear have the unusual characteristics of being able to ... [18:06]
ozbot Urban Dictionary: cumsock [18:06]
thestringpuller YUP [18:06]
mircea_popescu apparently people use socks as cum rags ? [18:06]
thestringpuller that's what we used to say as kids in middle school [18:06]
thestringpuller when you masturbate as a 12 year old yea [18:06]
asciilifeform haha i assumed it was a rubber [18:06]
ThickAsThieves i never made the word until now [18:06]
ThickAsThieves but that was the definition i was going for [18:07]
ThickAsThieves masturbatory receptacles [18:07]
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thestringpuller random: someone needs to invent a gpg based database [18:08]
dexX7 http://opentransactions.org/wiki/index.php?title=Messaging ot is something like this [18:08]
ozbot Messaging - Open Transactions [18:08]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller to do what ? [18:10]
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thestringpuller so if the database is ever compromised for any reason, it won't matter because it requires a specific gpg key to decrypt the rows [18:13]
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mircea_popescu how is this different from you know, gpg as is ? [18:14]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: it is possible to search across encrypted data, for some purposes [18:14]
asciilifeform thestringpuller: you were probably thinking of that [18:14]
thestringpuller if you fill something like lets say postgres [18:14]
thestringpuller or mysql [18:14]
thestringpuller and you encrypted all the rows it would take 3-4 times longer for normal operation cause it has to decrypt everytime [18:15]
thestringpuller it's not built for it, has to call libcrypt or some bullshit [18:15]
mircea_popescu well yeah [18:16]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: perhaps if you stored gpg flatfile and indexed it, then gpg is the bottle neck and not the db trying to decrypt cells... [18:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61199898 BTC [+] [18:16]
dexX7 don't encrypt primary keys and you're good to go? [18:17]
thestringpuller asciilifeform: are you saying search encrypted data using a hash? [18:17]
thestringpuller dexX7: then you can't search a specific column only by PK [18:17]
dexX7 ah well, right [18:18]
dexX7 but you can't have it both ways, i guess? [18:18]
thestringpuller i guess that might work though...if you only have referentials by pk in your queries; once you retreive the column you could deal with decryption...but hmm [18:21]
dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/adrotate.php?adinfo wtf "ponzicoin.co" [18:21]
ozbot Ad info [18:21]
thestringpuller maybe gpg and relational databases aren't meant to be friends [18:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00399962 = 0.252 BTC [+] {3} [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00087052 = 21.4148 BTC [+] [18:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 21 @ 0.04250001 = 0.8925 BTC [-] {2} [18:28]
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bitcoinpete Coming in at #3 for a cool 211,000 BTC: Dracula's Castle in Roumania [18:33]
bitcoinpete http://www.fascinatingpics.com/7-most-expensive-homes-in-the-world-5/ [18:33]
ozbot 7 Most Expensive Homes In The World » Fascinating Pics [18:33]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 87 @ 0.00556246 = 0.4839 BTC [-] {9} [18:34]
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bitcoinpete And if that's too pricey, this shit is priceless: [18:36]
bitcoinpete http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zxfjg/thank_you_people_of_rbitcoin_your_unique/ [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.590002 BTC [-] [18:36]
bitcoinpete "Thank You people of r/bitcoin! Your unique, sarcastic and exaggerated humour has enabled me to cope with the depression and suicidal thoughts after my financial loss due to MtGox." [18:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00583543 = 0.4668 BTC [+] {6} [18:37]
dexX7 http://imgur.com/gallery/fjcgUns [18:43]
ozbot Come oon just try it - Imgur [18:43]
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dexX7 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/ [18:47]
ozbot MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES'S REDDIT ACCOUNT! : Bitcoin [18:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 40 @ 0.04250001 = 1.7 BTC [-] [18:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.09199989 = 1.84 BTC [+] {3} [18:49]
dexX7 no user data, only trade histories etc. [18:50]
dexX7 oh wait. and a list with account balances (though without knowing who is who) [18:51]
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dexX7 and there are some with a negative balance :D [18:52]
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asciilifeform anybody got the binary turd? [19:16]
asciilifeform nm [19:19]
dexX7 no .net, ascii extract: http://pastebin.com/VwmbU7cJ [19:20]
asciilifeform i'm interested specifically in the trojan payload [19:21]
asciilifeform rather than the gox crap [19:21]
dexX7 there was once a trojan stealer on btctalk which searched for wallet.dat files and forwarded them via mail - the guy included his mail credentials of his private gmail acc =D [19:22]
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mircea_popescu "his" [19:31]
dexX7 yes, his [19:32]
dexX7 turned out it was a 14 yo child who found the stealer on hackforums [19:33]
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mircea_popescu haha [19:36]
mircea_popescu "some local computer shop owner yelled at me over the phone when I asked him to email me a price list, telling me that he would never waste his time on email because it took 20 times longer than a phone call" [19:36]
mircea_popescu this is the 80s, back when people using bitcoin i mean email were considered at the very least a little by the guys who generally know everything better [19:36]
dexX7 hehe [19:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 28 @ 0.004 = 0.112 BTC [+] [19:37]
dexX7 oh well, this 2 bit idiot: http://two-bit-idiot.tumblr.com/post/79070783038/concession "I’m not going to bury the lead; I am not publishing the article tomorrow that I said I was going to on Friday. In fact, I never intended to ..." [19:38]
mircea_popescu lol [19:39]
asciilifeform loltron chugs on: [19:40]
dexX7 vs [19:40]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2014-info/andrew-leonard/andrew-leonard.htm [19:40]
dexX7 "To the chagrin of the less confrontational, I plan to attack. And in putting my personal and professional reputation on the line, I will attack ruthlessly, from the front, and (figuratively) shoot to kill. By Monday, I expect that either: a) Vessenes and Matonis resign gracefully from the board of the Bitcoin Foundation, ..." [19:40]
mircea_popescu lmao @this guy [19:41]
mircea_popescu "o i know, brilliant idea : i will try and frontrun mp!11" [19:41]
mircea_popescu nobody ever thought of that b4 for sure! [19:41]
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asciilifeform double-barrelled lol, because since when is throwing somebody's name into a property title spam search engine a proper 'doxing' ? [19:44]
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mircea_popescu i love all the pretense tho, "my personal and professional reputation" apparently is the new stock phrase of the chump. [19:45]
mircea_popescu nobody heard of him, nobody cares of him, he is thus therefore throwing the full weight of that pompous nothing into things!!!111 [19:45]
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dexX7 haha yea [19:47]
dexX7 "bitcoin enentrepreneur" [19:47]
mircea_popescu anyway. yeah the foundation is going down. [19:49]
mircea_popescu that aside, i very much doubt vessy is stepping down to the bitter end. [19:49]
benkay fuck me, the world is perfect who knew. << alexander pope. [19:49]
mircea_popescu benkay :p [19:49]
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mircea_popescu quoth mpoe-pr "haha forehead and bitcoininv have channeled their butthurt from me to each other [19:55]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.40 [19:55]
ozbot [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus [19:55]
mircea_popescu pretty lulzy shit [19:55]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507799.0 [19:56]
ozbot Kryptowallet.org maby the best Bitcoin Wallet [19:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this one you might appreciate https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.0 [19:57]
mircea_popescu as to the wisdom of not taking pre-orders and generally running a business like a business. [19:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07481999 = 0.1496 BTC [-] [19:58]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the trezor folks took preorders !?!11! [20:00]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: have people no sense of shame? [20:02]
mircea_popescu and the irony here is that the mp of that project is slush [20:03]
mircea_popescu who's otherwise quite respectable [20:03]
bitcoinpete I can't quite keep up with mircea_popescu's torrential blogging, but that doesn't mean I won't try. [20:03]
bitcoinpete http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/citizens-of-fiat-vs-citizens-of-bitcoin-a-contrast/ [20:03]
ozbot Citizens of Fiat vs. Citizens of Bitcoin: A Contrast | When Bitcoin Met Pete [20:03]
mircea_popescu :p [20:03]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: could be that some people are just broke, and this is the only way they can play. [20:03]
benkay https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=507493.msg5598474#msg5598474 [20:04]
ozbot More Pre Order Scams..... (TREZOR) [20:04]
mircea_popescu nah, slush is running a large pool, large miner, he's okay. [20:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: then this is seriously weird. [20:04]
asciilifeform why does he need pre-orders, why not just build the damned gadget [20:04]
mircea_popescu dude, if i could explain to you the why of people doing stupid shit... [20:04]
mircea_popescu why. cause they think they know better and don't feel the need to ask. [20:05]
asciilifeform it's seriously strange when they do it despite not having to [20:05]
asciilifeform plus it's a pocket gizmo [20:05]
asciilifeform not an aircraft carrier [20:05]
asciilifeform single-chip, using a dirt-common micro [20:07]
asciilifeform (going by the published pcb mask at any rate) [20:07]
mircea_popescu well, bitcoin is filled to the brim with unrealistic motherfuckers [20:10]
mircea_popescu people who think that by imagining something they're now the best to make it, people who think wanting really hard can substitute for being really able [20:10]
mircea_popescu and so it goes. [20:10]
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asciilifeform trezor's published code is curiously missing the interesting bits. [20:11]
asciilifeform but i'll be surprised if this surprises anyone. [20:12]
mircea_popescu i am fully confident it's ignorance rather than some nefarious anything at work [20:12]
mircea_popescu slush is czech [20:12]
asciilifeform https://github.com/trezor [20:12]
asciilifeform what's missing? exercise for alert reader. [20:12]
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Namworld Gggooooooddd MORNING! [20:14]
Namworld http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1zz21j/mtgox_2014_hack_database_revealed_live_from_mark/ [20:14]
ozbot MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES'S REDDIT ACCOUNT! : Bitcoin [20:14]
Namworld It's actually 14:14 but whatever. [20:14]
Namworld It does appear to be legit. All accounts and transactions dump. [20:14]
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Namworld Which means Mark's blog also got hacked, apparently, if that's not Mark faking it. [20:16]
Namworld Either way, how much more can you screw up? [20:17]
mircea_popescu Namworld dexX7 had it earlier :p [20:17]
Namworld Great. [20:17]
mircea_popescu "The SEC does not actively monitor this thread, I have two friends that are attorneys for the Commission, and their interns have much better things to do than passive monitoring. " [20:17]
mircea_popescu the forum never ends. [20:17]
Namworld There's not too many people in here regularly browsing reddit, so sometimes it takes time to get here. [20:18]
Namworld They should still have 500k BTC apparently. (400k from 2011 that haven't moved since and some more) for over 900k owed. [20:19]
Namworld 400k Mark proved ownership after the 2011 hack. [20:19]
dexX7 ah speaking of the sec. did they reach out to you, mp? [20:20]
Namworld Looks like they were running fractional since then. [20:20]
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mircea_popescu dexX7 and to a number of people [20:23]
mircea_popescu and yes they do read the forum, tho they only understand about half [20:24]
mircea_popescu Namworld isn't it interesting how "since then" and "when mp said" coincide huh. [20:24]
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dexX7 well then, tell us more [20:27]
dexX7 there is the part missing between "to: ... and yes they" [20:27]
mircea_popescu dexX7 hm ? [20:29]
dexX7 what did they want, what are the implications etc ;) [20:30]
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mircea_popescu well that's not particularly clear yet. [20:31]
mircea_popescu trying to do their job, i guess. [20:31]
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dexX7 that's all [20:32]
dexX7 ? [20:32]
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dexX7 i think it's your obligation to be transparent on such incidents. who knows, maybe they have backend access to mpex now :p [20:35]
mircea_popescu now that's not possible. [20:35]
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moiety good eve :) [20:48]
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Namworld Yes, we know you can spot scam. Now stop bragging about it =P [20:50]
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thestringpuller dexX7: I'm pretty sure mircea_popescu has female assassin ninjas guarding the mpex keyring [20:52]
dexX7 sssh shh i want to hear teh sec gossip [20:53]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04250011 = 0.1275 BTC [-] {2} [20:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09224995 = 0.1845 BTC [+] {2} [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.09325 = 0.1865 BTC [+] {2} [20:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0941 = 0.4705 BTC [+] {3} [20:59]
mircea_popescu Namworld never :D [20:59]
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dexX7 http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/abblog/blog.pl?/pl/2014/3/1394372710.html [21:02]
ozbot eBay Files Patent Application for Bitcoin Currency Exchanger [21:02]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu random thought: i wonder if the halt in options trading on MPEX will result in a lot of people flocking to ICBIT...kind of a scary thought... [21:02]
dexX7 what was the reason to halt option trading? [21:03]
thestringpuller ;;google site: trilema.com february 2014 mpoe [21:03]
gribble MPOE, February 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPOE, January 2014 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; MPOE, December 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: [21:03]
dexX7 ty [21:04]
thestringpuller np [21:04]
KRS-One i still can't believe this is happening... mtgox hacked.. all leaked.. karpeles blog, his reddit account [21:07]
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dexX7 well, it's a probably a good thing to get rid of the weak elements [21:09]
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mircea_popescu let the record reflect that i'm working on a foot long baba ghanoush sub [21:12]
peterl I've never used ICBIT, is it any good? [21:12]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i doubt there's much overlap in demographics. [21:13]
mircea_popescu peterl no. [21:13]
punkman even Dr Greg doesn't want to use them anymore [21:13]
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mircea_popescu see the earlier linked misadventure of dr foreskin on the topic [21:13]
peterl how did he get the name Dr. Foreskin? Or do I want to know? [21:14]
mircea_popescu KRS-One in his position, leaking his pws is actulaly a rational, +ev move [21:14]
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mircea_popescu peterl well it's a combination of things. he looks kind-of weird, and behaves like a negligible quantity [21:14]
mircea_popescu which in romanian is pielea pulii ie, foreskin [21:14]
mircea_popescu actually i think that works in russian too [21:15]
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Diablo-D3 http://blog.magicaltux.net/2014/03/09/mtgox-2014-hack-database-revealed-live-from-mark-karpeless-reddit-account/ [21:19]
ozbot MTGOX 2014 HACK, DATABASE REVEALED, LIVE FROM MARK KARPELES’S REDDIT ACCOUNT! « MagicalTux in Ja [21:19]
mircea_popescu that's the 3rd. [21:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 24 @ 0.04250001 = 1.02 BTC [-] [21:21]
dexX7 kinda interesting though that the block entry is still online [21:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 70 @ 0.00589773 = 0.4128 BTC [-] [21:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 53 @ 0.0425 = 2.2525 BTC [-] {3} [21:23]
Namworld Don't forget that MtGox's API published transactions as close as this morning, Diablo-D3. [21:23]
Namworld MtGox still has and is moving large amounts of Bitcoins. [21:24]
peterl from the dr. greg thread "the approach continues to offer guaranteed profit up until a roughly 350% gain " he lost money but still thinks his strategy should have huge returns? [21:25]
Namworld Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. [21:25]
Namworld Dr. Greg thread? What? [21:25]
peterl https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=333851.msg5584789#msg5584789 [21:25]
Namworld Pirates, okay, but I didn't know there was Ponzi doctors too. [21:25]
ozbot [Direct] BTC Growth - Forex Volatility Focus [21:25]
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peterl MPOE-PR ripped him pretty good, but he still thinks he beat her with his wall of words [21:26]
dexX7 he also reads the channel logs to see, if someone is saying something mean about him [21:27]
benkay peterl: it's not his strategy that's wrong, it's his implementation details. like icbit. [21:27]
peterl oops, now he is going to target me! [21:27]
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benkay this is much like asciilifeform's refrain about "trusted computing" on top of compromised hardware. all the proofs in the world won't save you from bad hardware in the memory stack, and all the quant kabbalah in the world won't make you money on non-functional options exchanges. [21:28]
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dexX7 peterl: no joke, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3649693#msg3649693 "Maybe it was a different user named 'dexX7' who was hobnobbing with TAT, Mircea Popescu and others on IRC ..." [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07483062 = 0.449 BTC [+] {3} [21:30]
Duffer1 i wish he would hang out in here more [21:31]
peterl maybe he is here under a different name? [21:31]
Duffer1 oh could be [21:32]
benkay probly reads the logs but can't extemporize. [21:33]
peterl hard to put a good wall of text up on IRC [21:34]
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Duffer1 is easy [21:35]
benkay brevity, wit, etc. [21:35]
Duffer1 make blog, post link [21:35]
Duffer1 doesn't Dr.G have a blog already? [21:35]
moiety he really does look phallic shoulders up.... [21:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07485221 = 0.2246 BTC [+] [21:39]
mircea_popescu peterl guy is strange. [21:40]
mircea_popescu Mark will now say it's not him but the hackers who just released the info. He might be the thief and the releaser of info. << hence the "Rational, +EV move" comment earlier. [21:40]
mircea_popescu dexX7 lol we're the empire of evil nao ? [21:42]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1849 @ 0.00018399 = 0.3402 BTC [+] {8} [21:42]
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dexX7 yea, i guess [21:42]
mircea_popescu o look it's a moiety. how goes missy ? [21:43]
mircea_popescu anyway, if the guy's reading the logs that's not so bad, first step on the road to sanity. [21:44]
mircea_popescu before you know it he'll be going "i stake my professional reputation !!eleven behind making this thing i read on trilema two weeks ago happen!" like that other douche [21:44]
mircea_popescu after which hopefully he's cured [21:44]
mircea_popescu unless they manage to invent some further pathology down the way [21:45]
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moiety I'm well ty mircea_popescu :) had some interesting times past couple days. how are you? [21:45]
mircea_popescu im stuffed. [21:45]
moiety with? [21:45]
moiety i need to food actually [21:46]
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moiety had dinner with satoshi but he doesn't say much [21:47]
mircea_popescu footlong baba ghanoush sub [21:48]
mircea_popescu "In retrospect, it's quite funny how some of the folks laughed at those selling ASICMiner to buy into BTC Growth, given that at the end of the day, those who adopted exactly that strategy wound up with roughly 275% as much money in their accounts than those who stuck with the former darling of the mining world." [21:48]
mircea_popescu this usagi bs ?! [21:49]
Diablo-D3 usagi is still around? [21:49]
Diablo-D3 I thought he ragequit [21:49]
mircea_popescu asicminer went from 5 to .5, so therefore my deadbeat "investment" which went from 1 to .3 in the interval [21:49]
mircea_popescu would have assured "investors" "make roi and then some" or what was the expression [21:49]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 he comes and goes. [21:49]
mircea_popescu no bitcoin ragequit lasts. [21:50]
Diablo-D3 I noticed he quit bothering me [21:50]
Diablo-D3 surprised he isnt trying to invest in my newest venture or some shit [21:50]
benkay overheard in my household this morning "paycheck and a buttplug! the only grocery list you'll ever need." [21:51]
Diablo-D3 ... [21:52]
moiety i wondered wherehe disappeared to [21:53]
moiety he might have found benkays shopping list.... [21:53]
mircea_popescu lol [21:53]
benkay it's not my shopping list - i don't do the shopping, moiety. [21:53]
mircea_popescu i think he spends some time as a princess in a special happy place [21:54]
mircea_popescu of the sort uppity tortilla rest sin [21:54]
mircea_popescu dexX7 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283947.msg3650952#msg3650952 how come i have not that log ? [21:54]
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dexX7 it's legit, names edited and a few lines removed though [21:55]
mircea_popescu can you link to log ? [21:55]
dexX7 hmm let me look [21:56]
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dexX7 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#233753 [21:56]
ozbot #bitcoin-assets log [21:56]
mircea_popescu and you know, if you quote a log include a date, a link, something. [21:56]
dexX7 part 2: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-08-2013&bots=true#234572 [21:57]
dexX7 my intent wasn't to share the content of the log [21:57]
dexX7 thus no link to the log [21:57]
mircea_popescu a so im not actually in there/saying anything [21:58]
mircea_popescu that's what threw me, cause i had no recollection of the entire thing [21:58]
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dexX7 well, you're the incarnation of teh evil anyway :D [22:00]
mircea_popescu oic [22:00]
mircea_popescu well, so did anyone actually bother to track this BTC-GROWTH marvel ? [22:00]
mircea_popescu a actually btct, should be in the logs [22:01]
mircea_popescu Apr 13 11:00:40 <`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 2 x 0.99999 = 1.999980 BTC ] [22:02]
mircea_popescu Apr 13 11:01:55 <`MBot> [ GLBSE ] [ TRADE ] [ TYGRR-BOT ] [ 98 x 1.0 = 98.000000 BTC ] [22:02]
mircea_popescu dude, old logs! [22:02]
mircea_popescu (that's apr 13 2012, ftr) [22:02]
peterl I think it was all privately done, so there is no way to actually track what he says [22:02]
mircea_popescu peterl he claims he got 2k btc on btct [22:02]
mircea_popescu so what was the ticker, anyoe know that ? [22:03]
dexX7 http://coinflow.co/chart/BTC-GROWTH [22:03]
ozbot BTC-GROWTH on Coinflow [22:03]
dexX7 i think he indeed sold quite a few shares [22:04]
dexX7 several hundred btc worth [22:04]
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mircea_popescu aha [22:05]
dexX7 ;;calc 1294*0.1 [22:05]
gribble 129.4 [22:05]
dexX7 well [22:05]
dexX7 ^ [22:05]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.0424 = 0.424 BTC [-] [22:06]
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mircea_popescu http://dpaste.com/1707934/ [22:07]
ozbot dpaste: #1707934 [22:07]
mircea_popescu that's the first hour. [22:07]
mircea_popescu there's no 2k there, more like 2-300 btc [22:07]
benkay the rest was privately placed! [22:08]
benkay gosh. [22:08]
peterl "privately placed" does that mean "I just made up whatever numbers I want"? [22:08]
benkay that is an implication [22:09]
Namworld I'm about 175 BTC in debt and I'm richer than him still. [22:09]
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mircea_popescu the zinger being, of course, "Aug 15 15:49:39 This guy is charging 2% of assets annually plus 20% of profits for management fees" [22:09]
mircea_popescu that's some fund o.O [22:09]
Namworld Big fees. [22:09]
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dexX7 well, such a fee level is at least motivating the issuer to perform well [22:11]
mircea_popescu lolk [22:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.095 = 0.285 BTC [+] [22:11]
mircea_popescu normally i'd say "i wish to meet that elated 1% of bitcoin financiers which actually make 2% a year", but i think i already have. [22:11]
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mircea_popescu anyway, parity didn't hold up long : [22:13]
mircea_popescu Aug 15 18:44:58 [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09801 = 0.196 BTC [-] [22:13]
mircea_popescu Aug 15 18:44:59 [BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 96 @ 0.098 = 9.408 BTC [-] [22:13]
mircea_popescu Sep 21 01:55:33 [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 2 @ 0.09612 = 0.1922 BTC [-] [22:13]
mircea_popescu Sep 21 03:21:59 [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 50 @ 0.09594299 = 4.7971 BTC [-] {5} [22:14]
mircea_popescu Oct 06 15:25:37 [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 10 @ 0.08 = 0.8 BTC [-] [22:14]
mircea_popescu Oct 08 18:07:10 [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 7 @ 0.083 = 0.581 BTC [+] [22:14]
mircea_popescu Oct 08 18:08:11 [BTCTC] [FN] [BTC-GROWTH] 14 @ 0.083 = 1.162 BTC [+] [22:14]
mircea_popescu and with that the story ends. [22:14]
mircea_popescu -17% on assets, -22% on fees, half your money back in half a year. [22:14]
Namworld Considering the first thing I did was lend over 700 BTC to a GPU miner thinking it was just 7 grand and the current price per BTC, I'm not close of having positive earnings on average per year. [22:15]
mircea_popescu you still in the hole with giga/amazingrando huh [22:15]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:15]
dexX7 labcoin was a more exciting way to lose money [22:16]
Namworld Although I definitly made some money afterward. [22:16]
Namworld Well i started with 900 BTC in early 2012. Lost most. Definitly don't have that much. [22:16]
Namworld I might be close to achieving that back tho. [22:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 250 @ 0.00589773 = 1.4744 BTC [-] [22:17]
mircea_popescu well gl. [22:17]
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Namworld It's been rough, especially with the 15 -> 1200 run in 2013. How is one supposed to beat 100x returns on just holding through investing? [22:27]
peterl invest in S.MPOE? [22:27]
mircea_popescu no because that's like scientology. [22:27]
mircea_popescu Jan 12 23:14:43 [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3293 @ 0.0006592 = 2.1707 BTC [+] [22:28]
Namworld I had to help with BitVPS which RG just abandoned like that. Buy servers and everything. Stuff like that. Losses vs just holding. [22:28]
mircea_popescu ;;calc ( 0.00087052- 0.0006592)/ 0.0006592 [22:29]
gribble 0.32057038835 [22:29]
peterl which we are grateful you saved that for us [22:29]
mircea_popescu o hey, 32%. [22:29]
peterl psh, only 32% that is nowhere near 100x! [22:29]
Namworld Arij helped a lot too. [22:29]
Namworld We both missed a ton on the BTC rate increase. [22:29]
mircea_popescu peterl well technically, it's at least > 9000x zero [22:29]
Namworld It's 32% in BTC. So 1.32 x 100 [22:30]
peterl right, this is btc accounting instead of Usagi accounting [22:30]
Namworld 132x value in fiat. It was better than holding BTC. [22:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24358 @ 0.00086874 = 21.1608 BTC [-] {2} [22:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07485302 = 1.6468 BTC [+] {3} [22:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 73 @ 0.0433452 = 3.1642 BTC [+] {3} [22:35]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0434395 = 0.1738 BTC [+] {2} [22:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 187 @ 0.00404842 = 0.7571 BTC [-] {2} [22:38]
mircea_popescu Namworld it also doesn't count dividends. [22:40]
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Namworld oh, that too. [22:47]
Namworld Someone should calculate that. [22:48]
moiety someone sent r3wt to me yesterday :/ [22:49]
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Namworld For what? [22:56]
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moiety i think to check to see if i can contact TF [23:04]
moiety he was voicing faux concern [23:04]
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moiety i hadnt realised openex was hacked a fortnight ago [23:06]
mircea_popescu ya [23:07]
moiety but then neither did he for a while [23:08]
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moiety i get probed every now and then, i guess its to be expected [23:12]
thestringpuller topace: unlock my account [23:16]
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moiety http://i.imgur.com/I9XgLMN.jpg honesty the best policy?! [23:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 190 @ 0.00589773 = 1.1206 BTC [-] [23:30]
mircea_popescu moiety http://24.media.tumblr.com/1a88c2b550b2750929342bef44551e7a/tumblr_myaf6dYk1f1rq17hmo1_1280.jpg [23:32]
mircea_popescu lies! [23:32]
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thestringpuller .bait [23:35]
moiety lolol mircea_popescu but why does she look so angry? 1) she must get LOADS of tips and 2) this one is inside! she should be happier! [23:35]
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mircea_popescu hehe good points [23:39]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/b21c1fbb69b3b3e6bd39c59f4279e106/tumblr_mz1p5m1UDV1rwxb4zo1_250.gif definitely beats sandra. [23:40]
jurov lol again czech menu on the blackboard [23:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.13311598 = 0.5325 BTC [-] [23:44]
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moiety she, however, does not look happy to be outside [23:54]
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Neil ;;prevdiffchange [23:55]
gribble 21.92473 [23:55]
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moiety i found bingo's spiritual dog http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/09/hair-of-the-dog-miracle-vodka-cure-saves-puppy-from-certain-death-4494150/ [23:56]
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moiety had to get drunk on vodka to live [23:56]
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