Forum logs for 09 Jul 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23535 @ 0.00078886 = 18.5658 BTC [-] {3}	[00:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10985 @ 0.00078818 = 8.6582 BTC [-]	[00:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 49 @ 0.0135 = 0.6615 BTC [-]	[00:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47750 @ 0.00078584 = 37.5239 BTC [-] {3}	[00:08]
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pankkake	;;tslb	[00:12]
gribble	Time since last block: 33 minutes and 11 seconds	[00:12]
FabianB	!t m s.mpoe	[00:15]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078551 / 0.00079161 / 0.00079785 (1205540 shares, 954.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00078551 / 0.00080677 / 0.00083016 (5577760 shares, 4,499.97 BTC), 30D: 0.00077312 / 0.00082135 / 0.00087778 (26095912 shares, 21,433.95 BTC)	[00:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 41 @ 0.01705 = 0.6991 BTC [-]	[00:15]
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[]bot	Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Brazil beats Germany" http://bitbet.us/bet/992/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.11868977 BTC. Current weight: 13,489.	[00:17]
[]bot	Bet placed: 4.9995 BTC for No on "Brazil beats Germany" http://bitbet.us/bet/992/ Odds: 3(Y):97(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 11.11868977 BTC. Current weight: 13,489.	[00:17]
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FabianB	guess they're late	[00:17]
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pankkake	hahaha	[00:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00078551 = 35.0337 BTC [-]	[00:31]
thestringpuller	lol MPOE	[00:31]
thestringpuller	money is flowing out of it	[00:31]
thestringpuller	!ticker m D.BPAY	[00:31]
assbot	[MPEX:D.BPAY] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.23999999 / 0.24483091 / 0.25 (207 shares, 50.68 BTC)	[00:31]
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punkman	these germans just can't stop	[00:36]
benkay	!t m s.mpoe	[00:40]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00078551 / 0.00079139 / 0.00079785 (1250140 shares, 989.35 BTC), 7D: 0.00078551 / 0.0008065 / 0.00083016 (5587301 shares, 4,506.20 BTC), 30D: 0.00077312 / 0.00082127 / 0.00087778 (26130099 shares, 21,460.13 BTC)	[00:40]
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kakobrekla	WasWoWieviel +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0 < and nobody dared to voice him eh ?	[00:54]
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kakobrekla	ah	[00:57]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[01:00]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 625.55, vol: 2671.31663899 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 618.998, vol: 2419.98972 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 625.1, vol: 2985.84647666 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 622.394812, vol: 4765.42400000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 617.03703, vol: 1.43869931 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 623.448174, vol: 37.2054963 \| Volume-weighted last average: 623.04048175	[01:00]
BingoBoingo	;;more	[01:00]
gribble	Error: You haven't asked me a command; perhaps you want to see someone else's more. To do so, call this command with that person's nick.	[01:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25729 @ 0.0007853 = 20.205 BTC [-] {2}	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	whoa brazil got massacred	[01:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 121 @ 0.01634889 = 1.9782 BTC [-] {5}	[01:38]
thestringpuller	ls	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 120/7	[01:43]
gribble	17.1428571429	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	orly. 17 hours and 10 minutes a day ?	[01:43]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c: i'll tell you what to do. stfu, crawl in a corner, and die. << i take it you're not working 120 hours a week on wol ?	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	FOR SHAEM	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	!up Ginux	[01:44]
-assbot-	You voiced Ginux for 30 minutes.	[01:44]
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mircea_popescu	!up hello	[01:45]
-assbot-	You voiced hello for 30 minutes.	[01:45]
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lampelina	Lee- ll lnostdal lobbes los_pantalones Luke-Jr Lycerion	[01:45]
lampelina	Lee- ll lnostdal lobbes los_pantalones Luke-Jr Lycerion	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	!up ll	[01:45]
-assbot-	You voiced ll for 30 minutes.	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up los_pantalones	[01:45]
-assbot-	You voiced los_pantalones for 30 minutes.	[01:45]
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mircea_popescu	!up Menno	[01:46]
-assbot-	You voiced Menno for 30 minutes.	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up Quanttek	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up rodgort	[01:46]
-assbot-	You voiced rodgort for 30 minutes.	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	!up toddf	[01:46]
-assbot-	You voiced toddf for 30 minutes.	[01:46]
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mircea_popescu	punkman: no amount of snake oil will heal that gaping head wound < < sadly, this is true.	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	lol "Hint: The "D" in the ticker symbol stands for "derivative"."	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	yeah, because the DERPs header on the page is not indicative.	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	;;unrate HoreaV	[01:52]
gribble	Successfully removed your rating for HoreaV.	[01:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54400 @ 0.00078386 = 42.642 BTC [-] {4}	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	"To give you some idea, at PorcFest last year our booth took in about 3 Bitcoin all week. At the time Bitcoin was about $100. This year I took in 3 Bitcoin the first day, when Bitcoin was about $600. By the end of the week we had earned over 8 Bitcoin for our various commercial and non-profit partners, which is a windfall I could hardly believe."	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	heh. mkay.	[01:58]
danielpbarron	turns out, I made more BTC at porcfest than the muslim agorist	[01:59]
kakobrekla	"We also collected some doge, but nobody was willing to steal those."	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron i closed at the "i borrowed a clothesline"	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	i guess i just don't get bum culture.	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla doge is like fiat, you don't have to have it stolen from you for it to be stolen from you.	[02:00]
kakobrekla	:)	[02:00]
danielpbarron	I saw that guy; didn't end up talking to him; he seemed kinda boring	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: mall bitblog factchecks while bigger names run with false info << who is this mike ?	[02:01]
danielpbarron	but it was pretty cool how he had child labor operation to sell his buttons	[02:01]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves still got a tardstalk acct btw ?	[02:04]
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mircea_popescu	"Q. The Monarch BPU was said to begin shipping at the end of 2013. Has that happened?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	A. No."	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	ahjahaha	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	o bfl is shipping. find out it's not from Bitbet in 2013, from the courts in 2014. le win.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[02:11]
-assbot-	You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes.	[02:11]
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mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 you've still not figured out this wot thing ?	[02:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 52 @ 0.01431345 = 0.7443 BTC [+] {4}	[02:12]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd: It would appear that my assessment of the Germany-Brazil game was a little off... << it happens :p	[02:16]
punkman	"Now, there is a stench coming from Butterfly Labs. It's a strong smell. It's not enough to send you to prison today"	[02:16]
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mircea_popescu	punkman "Prison Today" sounds like a great replacement for Time mag.	[02:17]
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mircea_popescu	if i were buffett, ie, in any way emotionally invested in the continuation of that republic, i'd definitely make it.	[02:17]
punkman	I can picture that	[02:18]
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mircea_popescu	https://www.startjoin.com/comments/project/trollc << yet another thing max keiser promises then fails to follow through	[02:19]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'большая зона'	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	quite	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	here's a business idea : take failed projects, trim down the text, make kickstarter projects out of them	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	one could start with say urbit	[02:21]
mircea_popescu	just hire indians to select and summarize, could pump out 50-100 science-y or tech-y sounding projects a week	[02:21]
asciilifeform	urbit already found its chumpatronium golden vein	[02:21]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform done in the manner of the cryptostocks listing of that casino game tho	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	w/o any involvement from the owner.	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	just, google for projects with verbiage, trim it down, "kickstart" it	[02:22]
mircea_popescu	10-20 hours's worth of unskilled labour per project.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	no WAY you don't get 1mn in 100.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	that's 50x your investment.	[02:23]
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mircea_popescu	intel: man, probation officer asked vleisades if he'd let fbi agents tour his facility to "learn more about bitcoin".... pukeatronic <<< methinks that's a point.	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	waiting for bfl product delivery ? watch out for bonus goodies on the board from now on...	[02:25]
punkman	hah	[02:25]
*	asciilifeform wants one now	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not now. later/.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	in 5 years you'll prolly be able to buy them for the cost of disposal.	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	buy a containerful, diagnose the full spectrum.	[02:26]
asciilifeform	at that point it will be worth about as much as those cars parked at Pripyat.	[02:26]
asciilifeform	archaeologists will find them.	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	you think ?	[02:27]
mircea_popescu	hey, maybe.	[02:27]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32450 @ 0.00078156 = 25.3616 BTC [-]	[02:31]
mircea_popescu	of course on the other hand, if you're a honest bitcoin miner you got nothing to worry about.	[02:31]
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indiancandy1	who wants to see my big tits	[02:32]
mircea_popescu	did you ever see saffron's vids ?	[02:34]
asciilifeform	a miner's a perfect place to hide some strange. esp. in the extant ones, where performance is 'variable' to put it mildly. but really, it is perfect on account of the fact that a miner board is forgotten very soon after it is sold	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 ^	[02:34]
asciilifeform	no one seriously cares what was in the fpga miners from 2 yrs. ago	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform definitely.	[02:34]
mircea_popescu	custom hardware by definition, who the hell is going to even know.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	kinda trivial to find strange on high standardised stuff.	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 88 @ 0.0144 = 1.2672 BTC [+] {2}	[02:36]
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mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 do you read stuff here ?	[02:37]
indiancandy1	i sent u a message	[02:39]
indiancandy1	mp	[02:39]
indiancandy1	what is this saffron vids	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	!s dropbox	[02:39]
indiancandy1	i do read it	[02:39]
assbot	38 results for 'dropbox' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=dropbox	[02:39]
indiancandy1	lol	[02:39]
indiancandy1	i duno what it is	[02:39]
mircea_popescu	hm klets see	[02:39]
indiancandy1	dropbox is safron?	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	!s from:sexysaffron dropbox.com*	[02:40]
assbot	0 results for 'from:sexysaffron dropbox.com*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Asexysaffron+dropbox.com%2A	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	!s from:sexysaffron dropbox.com	[02:40]
assbot	0 results for 'from:sexysaffron dropbox.com' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Asexysaffron+dropbox.com	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	ah come on.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	!s from:sexysaffron dropb*	[02:40]
assbot	0 results for 'from:sexysaffron dropb*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Asexysaffron+dropb%2A	[02:40]
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indiancandy1	i really want to get into bitcoin	[02:40]
indiancandy1	i read stuff	[02:40]
punkman	!s from:sexy_saffron dropbox*	[02:40]
assbot	1 results for 'from:sexy_saffron dropbox*' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Asexy_saffron+dropbox%2A	[02:41]
indiancandy1	i dont understand none of it	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	should be two tho.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	!s 203	[02:41]
assbot	62 results for '203' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=203	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	THIS FAILS.	[02:41]
indiancandy1	safron is dropbox	[02:41]
indiancandy1	and dropbx begs	[02:41]
indiancandy1	ahaha	[02:41]
indiancandy1	okay?	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 https://www.dropbox.com/s/g58mpit4p5zms4l/203.mp4 and https://www.dropbox.com/s/iqd51lvo64cof15/202.mp4	[02:41]
assbot	Dropbox - 203.mp4	[02:41]
assbot	Dropbox - 202.mp4	[02:41]
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mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[02:42]
-assbot-	You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes.	[02:42]
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mircea_popescu	or i guess https://twitter.com/SexyMissSaffron/status/486305081029955586 if you don't have the connection for heavy duty vids.	[02:42]
assbot	Here's a video of me begging /nntaleb to join /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets : http://t.co/lD0pcqv9fu NSFW"	[02:42]
indiancandy1	is she ur slave girl	[02:44]
indiancandy1	shes ugly	[02:44]
indiancandy1	no offence	[02:44]
indiancandy1	lol	[02:44]
indiancandy1	i wouldnt eat her out	[02:44]
indiancandy1	i got more folowers	[02:44]
indiancandy1	on twitter	[02:44]
indiancandy1	BOOM	[02:44]
indiancandy1	by 9800	[02:44]
indiancandy1	not that it makes me any richer	[02:45]
indiancandy1	:(	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	ok, so ready to make a beg video ?	[02:45]
indiancandy1	ahaha if the indian media get hold of it though	[02:45]
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indiancandy1	it wil be on times of india	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	you'll be famous	[02:45]
indiancandy1	website	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	pubicity is publicity.	[02:45]
indiancandy1	my agents wont be happy	[02:45]
indiancandy1	how much u offering for it	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	fire them, hire better ones.	[02:45]
indiancandy1	i can get u	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	same i did her, provided your vid doesn't suck.	[02:46]
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indiancandy1	lots of ppl as i got a big following	[02:46]
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indiancandy1	she got 168 twitter followrs	[02:46]
indiancandy1	i have	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	<+indiancandy1> no offence /// lol	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	it really makes little diff, if you notice that tweet got like 2.2k retrweets.	[02:46]
indiancandy1	how much did give her	[02:47]
asciilifeform	time for gedankenexperiment. what payload would be 'useful' in a miner core (vs. the controller, which is normally a standard micro and relatively simple to audit) ?	[02:47]
indiancandy1	did u give her	[02:47]
indiancandy1	listen i can get u a better deal	[02:47]
asciilifeform	i say: patterned outages.	[02:47]
indiancandy1	il give u publicity	[02:47]
indiancandy1	in india	[02:47]
indiancandy1	on all top digital platforms	[02:47]
indiancandy1	in india not many ppl no about btc	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves: mall bitblog factchecks while bigger names run with false info << who is this mike ? //// dunno, that blog was also fairly on top of all the SR auction updates. guy's not afraid to pick up a phone or something	[02:48]
indiancandy1	so it wil be good especially if it goes on times of india / yahooo	[02:48]
indiancandy1	etc	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves got his phone number ?	[02:48]
indiancandy1	why dont we introduce	[02:48]
indiancandy1	bitcoin 2 india il do u a pr campain	[02:48]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves still got a tardstalk acct btw ? /// it exists, sometimes i check on my watchlist or click in thru reddit, otherwise i dont go there	[02:48]
asciilifeform	if you can arrange for, say, the entire crop of 'bfl' units to spin their wheels fruitlessly during known time intervals, your own miners (presumably exempt) can be scheduled to run then and precisely then	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 what difference does it make ? i want the guy to join here, i don't care about a bunch of indians that have no bitcoin.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a gps ?	[02:49]
indiancandy1	they can buy	[02:49]
indiancandy1	it	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	"Coin Fire was started because I got sick and tired of reading reviews on sites that were full of advertisements, dishonest statements and news that was just posted to create link bait."	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/CoinFireBlog	[02:49]
assbot	CoinFire.cf (CoinFireBlog) auf Twitter	[02:49]
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ThickAsThieves	i dont have his ph# and his website only has contact forms	[02:50]
indiancandy1	tell me how much moneys u gave safron	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	anyone with a btctalk acct : pls to pm https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=112431 and invite him to come here. his summary of vleisides was useful.	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves how do you know he's not affraid to pick up the phone then ?	[02:50]
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mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 .1	[02:50]
asciilifeform	gps < difficult - but not impossible - to fit. and what'd be the point? throttle the core unless standing in warehouse XX?	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	i meant check his facts, dig for info	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just know where to confiscate it from.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	or not let it be exported, mysteriously.	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	making the miners stop is useless economically.	[02:51]
indiancandy1	i duno btc	[02:51]
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indiancandy1	what is that in dollars	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	!up lil_data_	[02:51]
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ThickAsThieves	breaking@coinfire.cf is email	[02:51]
asciilifeform	if you can stop all miners but yours - for a given interval - you can plunder blocks at far below the expected energy cost	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 i have no idea, whatever whoever is normally buying them from you pays for a bitcoin, divided by 10	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	https://twitter.com/CoinFireBlog/status/486609467560034306 coinjelly asks for private chat with him , hehe	[02:52]
assbot	The tale of /CoinJelly, false statements and journalistic failures: http://t.co/uLpRJfFBaV	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform so ?	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	diff is stil the same, how do you think this helps you ? longer blocks ?	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	would need to hold it for a month	[02:53]
indiancandy1	.1 bitcoin	[02:53]
indiancandy1	is	[02:53]
indiancandy1	1 bitcoin	[02:53]
indiancandy1	?	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 1 / .1	[02:53]
gribble	10	[02:53]
asciilifeform	point wouldn't be to drop the diff, but to ensure that next block goes to one of yours	[02:53]
asciilifeform	alternatively	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	"ensure"	[02:53]
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asciilifeform	throttle far below full capacity unless magic signal is present	[02:54]
indiancandy1	ur offering me 65 dollars	[02:54]
indiancandy1	for that vid	[02:54]
indiancandy1	?	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	people would notice and fix it	[02:54]
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indiancandy1	haha	[02:54]
indiancandy1	thats funn	[02:54]
indiancandy1	funny	[02:54]
indiancandy1	2 less money	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 welcome to the world of hard work.	[02:54]
asciilifeform	so, e.g., everybody gets x hash/sec, you get 2x	[02:54]
indiancandy1	do u work hard?	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	you're not me.	[02:54]
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mike_c	if you're not working 120 hours/week you're lazy.	[02:54]
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ThickAsThieves	amen!	[02:55]
indiancandy1	i work on a tv show	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 120 * .1 * 52	[02:55]
gribble	624	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	that's almost enough to invest in bitcoin start-ups	[02:55]
asciilifeform	people would notice, fix << i know a fellow with a 'jupiter' miner. most of the time, only a subset of the cores run. fix is nowhere to be seen.	[02:55]
indiancandy1	gribble says 624 is that the conversion	[02:55]
indiancandy1	?	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i never heard of a jupiter run 100%	[02:55]
asciilifeform	precisely.	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[02:55]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 623.16, Best ask: 625.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.84000, Last trade: 624.97, 24 hour volume: 2675.59845636, 24 hour low: 616.89, 24 hour high: 626.22, 24 hour vwap: 621.952540785	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	there	[02:55]
asciilifeform	can be accident, or 'accident'	[02:55]
indiancandy1	mp	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	eh get out	[02:56]
indiancandy1	one second	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	jupiters are made with an axe	[02:56]
indiancandy1	is it 624 dollars	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	i heard jupiters have anthrax in them	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	derpiters	[02:56]
asciilifeform	intel's been doing precisely this in cpus since '486 dx' - why not other people?	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 no woman. the chick did two vids for like 60 bux each. it's what she does.	[02:56]
mike_c	can anybody recommend an irc bouncer.	[02:57]
indiancandy1	hmm	[02:57]
indiancandy1	shes better of doin mfc she can earn more money	[02:57]
BingoBoingo	lol, indiancandy1 you forget the time value of money	[02:58]
ThickAsThieves	and the value of relationships	[02:58]
kakobrekla	mike_c znc	[02:59]
mike_c	thx	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 what's mfc ?	[02:59]
BingoBoingo	myfreecams	[02:59]
BingoBoingo	I know it because... porn	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	so i take it the free part is scam ?	[02:59]
ThickAsThieves	adz	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	aok.	[02:59]
ThickAsThieves	i assume	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	is chatroulette still a thing ?	[02:59]
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BingoBoingo	chatroulette was basically just dicks	[03:00]
indiancandy1	no	[03:00]
ThickAsThieves	the site everyone visits once	[03:00]
indiancandy1	chatroulete now has a verification method so not many people use it	[03:00]
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indiancandy1	you have to register with ur cell phone number and they send u a code on sms and	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	lol know your masturbator us congress legislation ?	[03:00]
indiancandy1	thats how you enter its to keep the pedos out	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	uh	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	pedos can't get cellphones ?	[03:01]
indiancandy1	they was a overflow of pedofiles lurking for lil girls	[03:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: use cell, leave gps ping.	[03:01]
indiancandy1	there was a big ring of pedofiles on there	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	now that's a disruptive service someone should do. decentralize sms identification.	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	like tor, but for sms.	[03:02]
asciilifeform	(technically not simply gps, but tower triangulation on top)	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	I thought most cellphones did a mix of the two	[03:02]
indiancandy1	well then f you get in trouble ad u call the cops and they need 2 find u how wil they find u	[03:02]
asciilifeform	aye	[03:02]
indiancandy1	its good and bad	[03:02]
asciilifeform	all current cell chipsets use gps+tower	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there	[03:03]
ThickAsThieves	http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/07/08/dollar-backed-digital-currency-aims-to-fix-bitcoins-volatility-dilemma/	[03:03]
assbot	Dollar-Backed Digital Currency Aims to Fix Bitcoins Volatility Dilemma - MoneyBeat - WSJ	[03:03]
ThickAsThieves	brought to you by Brock Pierce	[03:03]
indiancandy1	i mean like if a girls being raped or something then it comes handy	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	I thought if you got into trouble you called the Bondsman because the cops were there << not everyone is from chicago.	[03:04]
indiancandy1	lol	[03:04]
BingoBoingo	You still call the Bondsman, because they actually "solve the problem"	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that guy really gets things.	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	up his ass.	[03:04]
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ThickAsThieves	Realcoin	[03:04]
ThickAsThieves	lel	[03:04]
asciilifeform	pierce << ideal example of the animal described on one of mircea_popescu's essays - he could be packed into prison for life, any time, based on what's in his file. so he does as instructed.	[03:04]
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BingoBoingo	!b 1	[03:05]
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ThickAsThieves	"Founded by Brock Pierce, a former Disney child actor who is now a prolific bitcoin investor" ouch	[03:05]
indiancandy1	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/06/rolling-coal-photos-video_n_5561477.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular	[03:05]
assbot	Political Protest Or Just Blowing Smoke? Anti-Environmentalists Are Now 'Rolling Coal'	[03:05]
punkman	"the first dollar-backed digital currency"	[03:05]
ThickAsThieves	and biggest!	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves notice that's sorta started to go away ?	[03:06]
ThickAsThieves	"Realcoin will use a Bitcoin 2.0 software protocol known as Mastercoin" the pain!	[03:06]
punkman	it's not even dollars, "To ensure realcoins retain their value at one dollar, the firm will maintain a real-time record of its dollar-based reserves, all held in conservative investments"	[03:06]
indiancandy1	so do you think i should invest in btc	[03:07]
ThickAsThieves	"Asked about such a reaction, Realcoin founder Mr. Pierce said, “I’m not selling any of my bitcoins. "	[03:07]
ThickAsThieves	these people	[03:07]
ThickAsThieves	no one told them the onion was a joke?	[03:07]
indiancandy1	it gets me angry that i dont understand what ur talking about but i think	[03:08]
indiancandy1	im addicted to this place i have no reason to be here so why am i here	[03:08]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin 2.0 protocol mastercoin ?!	[03:09]
indiancandy1	GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR	[03:09]
mircea_popescu	someone got indigestion.	[03:09]
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mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 well, you've found the real world and now are trying to convince yourself you don't have to change to adapt to it.	[03:09]
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Duffer1	it's worth your time to hang around	[03:10]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[03:11]
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Duffer1	!up indiancandy1	[03:12]
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decimation	re: "anti-environmentalists" << a true anti-environmentalist would construct a chumpatron to bleed environmentalist chumps	[03:14]
decimation	i.e. https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/solar-roadways	[03:15]
assbot	Solar Roadways \| Indiegogo	[03:15]
asciilifeform	decimation: this is SOP already	[03:15]
asciilifeform	solar farms, windmills, etc.	[03:15]
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asciilifeform	and anything else with -EV	[03:15]
decimation	"imma make you environmental technology, email me monies"	[03:16]
indiancandy1	duffer its worth my time	[03:16]
indiancandy1	?	[03:16]
decimation	I suspect it's quite simple to recruit a staff of chumps to maintain the public propaganda machine too	[03:16]
indiancandy1	okay well wil someone atleast teach me so i understand	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 what part don't you understand ?	[03:18]
decimation	In case no one has seen: http://qz.com/231178/the-tragic-explosive-crash-of-a-stolen-tesla/ << some dumbfuck stole a tesla model S, rammed a pole at ~100 mph, cut the car in half; it caught fire	[03:18]
assbot	The tragic, explosive crash of a stolen Tesla – Quartz	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[03:19]
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BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: Right now is the time for lingering reading and asking questions, understanding come later.	[03:20]
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asciilifeform	countdown to the 'remote disable switch' advocates pushing their shit...	[03:21]
danielpbarron	!up colinistheman	[03:21]
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colinistheman	Hi guys. I was invited to this chat. I posted the bitcointalk forum thread on Sonny Vleisides (BFL CEO)	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	hey there!	[03:21]
mircea_popescu	you did a nice job.	[03:21]
indiancandy1	omg	[03:22]
indiancandy1	i nearly had a heart attack	[03:22]
colinistheman	Thank you mircea_popescu	[03:22]
colinistheman	I got your message in that chat log	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	Hey colinistheman that was me sent the message. Love your BFL thread.	[03:22]
indiancandy1	my name is sofia vasiliadis	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman what do you do for a living ?	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 no wai ?	[03:22]
indiancandy1	and i just scan read what colin said	[03:22]
indiancandy1	and i thought he said my name	[03:22]
indiancandy1	ahahh	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	that's some scammer guy named vleisides	[03:22]
indiancandy1	my heart sunk	[03:22]
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colinistheman	I'm glad you found it helpful. I did too. A lot of good information in that court transcript.	[03:23]
colinistheman	I realized a lot of people wouldn't read through to find the best parts	[03:23]
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colinistheman	mircea_popescu: By the way if you, or others want to join the class action lawsuit, it is here: http://www.woodlaw.com/cases/butterfly-labs-and-bf-labs-inc-bitcoin-miners	[03:24]
assbot	Butterfly Labs and BF Labs, Inc. Bitcoin Miners \| Wood Law Firm	[03:24]
colinistheman	There are about 50 people already in on it	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	Well, mircea_popescu and kakobrekla 's BitBet was especially injurious to BFL last year	[03:24]
colinistheman	I am spreading the word	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman http://trilema.com/2013/preemptive-strike-to-have-on-hand-for-when-butterfly-labs-gets-hauled-off-to-jail-in-corpore/ wink	[03:24]
assbot	Preemptive strike, to have on hand for when Butterfly Labs gets hauled off to jail in corpore pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	;;google BitBet BFL to deliver by February	[03:25]
gribble	BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B ...: ; Vote: Do you think Butterfly Labs will deliver their ASICs this ...: ; BitBet, November 2013 Statement pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...:	[03:25]
BingoBoingo	http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/	[03:25]
assbot	BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No \| closed 1 year 4 months ago	[03:25]
colinistheman	A BFL court case in Italy that went to the supreme court? very nice	[03:26]
colinistheman	I haven't heard of that one	[03:26]
mircea_popescu	only tangentially related to bfl, via the sonny boy.	[03:27]
colinistheman	mircea_popescu: to answer your question, I run www.knives4bitcoin.com	[03:27]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman get in the wot will you ?	[03:27]
colinistheman	i see	[03:28]
colinistheman	Oh, you wrote that :)	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	hm, who's into knives ?	[03:28]
colinistheman	a lot of people apparently	[03:29]
asciilifeform	re: bfl - the sad part is that the entire mining industry, afaik, is based on exactly this kind of chumpatron. and if outright take-money-and-run merits two years of parole, what does, e.g. six month deliberate 'we mine with your hardware' merit? harsh words?	[03:29]
colinistheman	Did you join in the woods law firm court case?	[03:29]
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colinistheman	Actually I do not believe they are mining with our hardware. I have been following fairly closely on what is going on	[03:29]
colinistheman	It's very bad management and underfunded development	[03:29]
colinistheman	that's the out-ethics behind the scenes which is making everything late	[03:29]
colinistheman	the court case statements back that up	[03:29]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman things change over time	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14702 @ 0.00078407 = 11.5274 BTC [+]	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	bfl has been a foundation backed sore eye for bitcoin since 2012	[03:30]
colinistheman	Perhaps in the past they mined with the hardware though	[03:30]
colinistheman	I would believe it	[03:30]
colinistheman	yes, BFL is the ASIC equivalent of MT GOX	[03:30]
colinistheman	it needs to be eliminated	[03:30]
asciilifeform	'limited' scam always metastatizes into full blown scam.	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	so practically, get in the wot so i can gift someone a knife.	[03:30]
ThickAsThieves	<+mircea_popescu> wow. /// simple GS strat, spend $120k on a Tesla, short TSLA, crash it. Works every time!	[03:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves konspiraci ?	[03:31]
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ThickAsThieves	i was counting on it!	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	Knives are cool.	[03:31]
colinistheman	I don't sell the BTC either. It's kept in BTC form	[03:31]
ThickAsThieves	but really there were 2 crashes and the other had most of a family die i think	[03:32]
colinistheman	unlike most bitpay merchants	[03:32]
colinistheman	I'm reading your article. Very interesting	[03:32]
ThickAsThieves	a plastic surgeon rear-ended a toyota	[03:32]
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colinistheman	mircea_popescu: You had stated that my summary was useful. I'm very glad. May I ask how it assisted you?	[03:33]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman me personally it did not, i have people whose job it is to do these things. your summary however was quite close to mine, which is the mark of achievement.	[03:33]
BingoBoingo	colinistheman: I found a broken link http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php	[03:34]
colinistheman	Most excellent. Yeah, I'm fairly literate and have a few brain cells to knock together	[03:34]
assbot	KnivesAndKnifeMaking.com - Colt Knives Pocket Knife Titanium 420HC High Carbon CT341 Camping Fishing Hunter	[03:34]
colinistheman	Thank you I will have to fix that ASAP	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	Hmmm... None of your product page links seem to be working for me...	[03:34]
ThickAsThieves	mp's plot to hide the andreas murder weapon	[03:34]
mircea_popescu	http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/ << this is kinda lulzy	[03:35]
assbot	Index of /products	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	they all seem broken ?	[03:35]
ThickAsThieves	doesnt work for me much	[03:35]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[03:37]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 16871343199.9 based on data since last change \| 17660844532.9 based on data for last three days	[03:37]
colinistheman	Oh wow, they're temporarily down. I re-upped the site recently.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	!up site	[03:37]
colinistheman	try now	[03:37]
colinistheman	I think I just fixed up	[03:37]
colinistheman	*it	[03:37]
colinistheman	One missing file can cause a lot of probs :)	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo would you like one ?	[03:39]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sure	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony how about i gift you a knife ?	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo pick something	[03:39]
kakobrekla	you kill babies with this ? http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/5-14in_knife_making_blade_mini_hunter_blank_custom_game_hunting_blanks_knives.php	[03:39]
assbot	Knives4Bitcoin.com - 5-1/4in Knife Making Blade Mini Hunter Blank Custom Game Hunting Blanks Knives	[03:39]
BingoBoingo	I'm really liking this. http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/colt_knives_pocket_knife_titanium_420hc_high_carbon_ct341_camping_fishing_hunter.php	[03:40]
assbot	Knives4Bitcoin.com - Colt Knives Pocket Knife Titanium 420HC High Carbon CT341 Camping Fishing Hunter	[03:40]
cazalla	indiancandy1: i would bet sexysaffron would do 100 times better than you on mfc	[03:40]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman how come everything's 5 bitcents ?!	[03:40]
colinistheman	I just have it round to the nearest 2 decimal places for sake of neatness	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, bitpay says "If it seems like there should be something here, please let us know by contacting our support team."	[03:41]
colinistheman	otherwise it looks like a huge big number	[03:41]
kakobrekla	because they are all sized for keychains	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla do you like knives ?	[03:41]
kakobrekla	nah not really.	[03:42]
colinistheman	You can sort by price and see items which are more than 5 bit cents. Back to reading the article	[03:42]
colinistheman	beep me if needed	[03:42]
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asciilifeform	!up indiancandy1	[03:43]
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kakobrekla	i have a few of those swiss army knifes i got as gifts and they satisfy all my cutting needs	[03:44]
mircea_popescu	cazalla who're you gonna bet against lol.	[03:44]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lmao	[03:44]
indiancandy1	please dont bet me	[03:44]
indiancandy1	coz	[03:44]
indiancandy1	i do pretty well on mfc	[03:44]
indiancandy1	im better looking	[03:44]
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asciilifeform	mfc << microshit foundation class?!	[03:45]
punkman	cam contest?	[03:45]
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dub	i cut stuff	[03:46]
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indiancandy1	it just craches on me	[03:46]
indiancandy1	:(	[03:46]
indiancandy1	crashed	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	dub ya but you're a global warming alarmist	[03:46]
indiancandy1	unless she goes further then me i dont use toys	[03:47]
cazalla	indiancandy1: looks don't have much to do with mfc imo	[03:47]
indiancandy1	and hardly show pussy either	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 im sure she does anything.	[03:47]
colinistheman	By the way, this may interest you, mircea_popescu. I posted the following information on BFL's forum and it got deleted. It was a detailed recording of a series of events in the Monarch production timeline. This post got deleted from their forums but I kept a backup because I knew it would. Then I was banned from the forums after providing a lawyer link to every member on BFL forums.	[03:47]
colinistheman	http://knives4bitcoin.com/BFL_Late_Monarch_and_How_to_Handle_it._Josh,_as_COO,_I_request_your_reply_to_this.htm	[03:47]
indiancandy1	im anti sex toys	[03:47]
assbot	BFL Late Monarch and How to Handle it. Josh, as COO, I request your reply to this.	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman maybe time to make a blog ?	[03:47]
mircea_popescu	or maybe join an existing one. possibly mike_c may want a hard hitting research editor for btcalpha	[03:48]
colinistheman	It's a good idea but I don't have the time. I managed to scrap together these few things.	[03:48]
colinistheman	I think there would be a good market for a promoted domain and blog for BFL fraud info though.	[03:48]
mircea_popescu	use it or lose it.	[03:48]
kakobrekla	who are you trying to save?	[03:48]
colinistheman	jesus	[03:48]
kakobrekla	jesus has been saved already.	[03:49]
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colinistheman	oh, then bfl customers	[03:49]
mike_c	if you do want a blog platform I'd be happy to post things for you on btcalpha with appropriate attribution.	[03:49]
kakobrekla	right.	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	No, Jesus died to save, but if you save Jesus... it would really mess with the Xtians	[03:49]
kakobrekla	you can rape them with evidence, they dont budge.	[03:49]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla fudster.	[03:49]
kakobrekla	i meant saved as in ctrl-s	[03:49]
colinistheman	True, but it increases awareness like my bitcointalk thread post did. it got over 2000 views in 5 hours	[03:50]
colinistheman	And I bet I got a lot more people to join the class action lawsuit	[03:50]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: can't help but remember orlov's point about the deer hunt	[03:50]
colinistheman	so I am pleased with that increased awareness and action	[03:50]
asciilifeform	'…we need a word that describes the artifacts generated in response to irrational actors who demand to be fooled. As the old saying goes, “A fool and his money are soon parted” – at the fool’s own insistence, no less! If the deer comes out of the forest and walks up to the hunter, it is not proper hunting, and this is not proper con artistry or grift or embezzlement or any other term we use to describe	[03:50]
asciilifeform	proper works of evil. If the victim, at the sight of the economic predator, goes into doggie submission, we must stop discussing the phenomenon in terms of conflict and consider whether what we are observing might be some strange instance of symbiosis.'	[03:50]
kakobrekla	well, colinistheman , deer cant read.	[03:51]
cazalla	indiancandy1: if you are more attractive than sexysaffron, you'd make more money on mfc if you copied her enthusiasm	[03:51]
colinistheman	deer bought asics?	[03:51]
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BingoBoingo	!up colinistheman	[03:51]
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colinistheman	thx	[03:51]
colinistheman	why it demotes my talking ability lol	[03:51]
kakobrekla	you are not worthy yet.	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	because you're not in the wot	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	the wotrty.	[03:52]
colinistheman	Oh, i'm learning fast though	[03:52]
colinistheman	my wottiness is increasing	[03:52]
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kakobrekla	so, hows the deer?	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	lol how do you figure ?	[03:52]
colinistheman	because I'm pretty badass. The wottiness is inherent really	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	o.O	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	this is without a doubt the weirdest reaction to a wot mention.	[03:53]
kakobrekla	!drown colinistheman	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	lol	[03:53]
colinistheman	Are you a writer or journalist?	[03:53]
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mircea_popescu	kako ? he's just a cookie monster.	[03:54]
indiancandy1	enthusiasm for?	[03:54]
colinistheman	you	[03:54]
indiancandy1	what using sex toys	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	O.o	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman im bitcoin's only actual billionaire.	[03:54]
TheNewDeal	satoshi?	[03:54]
kakobrekla	satoshi lost the keys.	[03:55]
colinistheman	2nd billiionare i suppose then	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	well satoshi is virtual :D	[03:55]
colinistheman	have you bought bfl hardware?	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[03:55]
cazalla	indiancandy1: to please	[03:55]
colinistheman	good job	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 the world belongs to the eager&willing	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman there';s a whole world of scams i didn't buy into. but anyway.	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust kakobrekla	[03:56]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user kakobrekla: Level 1: 5, Level 2: 50 via 29 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=kakobrekla \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=kakobrekla \| Rated since: Fri May 13 18:50:53 2011	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	that's the wot. bitcoin's web of trust	[03:56]
mircea_popescu	until you register with gribble you won't be getting any.	[03:56]
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colinistheman	That's good. In bitcoin scams are ripe for the picking	[03:57]
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indiancandy1	but im saying u no sex toys stretch out ur pussy and im not into having a lose pussy for money	[03:57]
indiancandy1	i would everrrr trade that	[03:57]
indiancandy1	its all about tight	[03:57]
colinistheman	Is this your site: http://mpex.co/	[03:57]
assbot	MPEx, the Bitcoin securities exchange.	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[03:58]
colinistheman	cool	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 they come in sizes no ?	[03:59]
indiancandy1	i dont like the idea of rapeing myself	[03:59]
indiancandy1	id rather wank to be fair	[03:59]
indiancandy1	but not in public	[03:59]
indiancandy1	im 2 shy	[03:59]
colinistheman	to be a bitcoin billionaire, one would require over 1.6 million btc	[03:59]
colinistheman	That is more than satoshi owns, no?	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman well at some point btc was 1.2k	[04:00]
colinistheman	ah, i see	[04:00]
colinistheman	well then it would be about 800,000 btc+	[04:00]
mircea_popescu	something like tha	[04:00]
colinistheman	that's kind of like the emperor of bitcoin status	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	mostly paper anyway.	[04:01]
kakobrekla	dun worry its all virtual!	[04:01]
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colinistheman	yeah, paper wallets.	[04:01]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla your running is too slo :D	[04:01]
asciilifeform	colinistheman: interesting site. what does one sharpen a titanium knife with ?	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform cuntanium. obviously.	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	DOH	[04:02]
colinistheman	a regular sharpening stone	[04:02]
colinistheman	fine grit	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo picked anything yet ?	[04:02]
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colinistheman	lol	[04:03]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I think I'm going with http://www.knives4bitcoin.com/products/boker_trapper_pocket_knife.php	[04:03]
assbot	Knives4Bitcoin.com - Boker Trapper Pocket Knife	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[04:03]
*	asciilifeform remembers the japanese folktale of 'the wooden wakizashi'	[04:03]
colinistheman	I've got 6 of those behind me lol	[04:03]
colinistheman	(the boker trapper)	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	paging fluffypony. hey f, lay off teh womenz and irc more!	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i don't recall that one ?	[04:04]
asciilifeform	goes something like this. one samurai had the misfortune of breaking his wakizashi (short sword - 'sidearm.') but he was a cheapskate.	[04:04]
asciilifeform	replaced the blade with a wooden one.	[04:04]
asciilifeform	'no one will notice.'	[04:04]
mircea_popescu	lol	[04:04]
asciilifeform	a year passes; two	[04:04]
asciilifeform	then comes the time when he is ordered to perform seppuku.	[04:04]
TheNewDeal	lol	[04:04]
asciilifeform	and all he's got - is a wooden knife.	[04:04]
BingoBoingo	Seppuku by splinter?	[04:05]
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BingoBoingo	!up ericmuyser	[04:05]
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colinistheman	From what I gather, sonny vleisides, carried on the scam of his father. Your article seems to touch upon this. "I came to know my real father only as an adult. So when I got the opportunity to know him better, I was eager and curious. His name was James Ray Houston:	[04:05]
asciilifeform	he seppukued.	[04:06]
asciilifeform	but it was more of a bitch than usual.	[04:06]
asciilifeform	lesson - don't be an arse.	[04:06]
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colinistheman	Yeah he is dead now	[04:06]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/riverwalk-a-proper-one/	[04:07]
colinistheman	I used to blame BFL_Josh for the poor show at BFL. Well, I still do. But Sonny is the kingpin behind the scenes. That's the real meat and potatoes crime boss	[04:07]
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mircea_popescu	well yes.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	josh is just some derp	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	an offensive derp, but nonetheless.	[04:08]
colinistheman	josh is sonny's goon	[04:08]
colinistheman	every crime boss has their henchmen	[04:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.03799993 = 0.57 BTC [+] {2}	[04:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: 'la rumana' << is that a shitter?	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[04:09]
asciilifeform	lol!	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	:p	[04:09]
colinistheman	Thank you for also spreading the word on BFL. I will continue to do what I can and I'm glad it helped in any way.	[04:10]
colinistheman	It was good to talk to you all but I will be on my way now. Good day to you gentlemen. And don't forget your arsenal of knives :P	[04:10]
colinistheman	http://www.knives4bitcoin.com !	[04:10]
assbot	Knives4Bitcoin.com - Where You Can Trade BTC For Knives!	[04:10]
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colinistheman	nice to meet you mircea.	[04:10]
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indiancandy1	mircdea u have al that money shouldnt u be living in a exotic island	[04:11]
indiancandy1	with a bag of bitches	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	lol the dude just left ?!	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	what silliness is this!	[04:11]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 who's to say i'm not ?	[04:11]
indiancandy1	oh mircea	[04:12]
indiancandy1	btw	[04:12]
indiancandy1	are you watching the argentina game?	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	Islands suck.	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 i watched the last 5 minutes of germany-brazil by accident	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	sat down in a cafe	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	indiancandy1: He can hear it and surmise how it is going	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no actually they're not screaming atm	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	isn't argentina tomorrow ?	[04:12]
BingoBoingo	Yeah	[04:13]
TheNewDeal	yes it is	[04:13]
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TheNewDeal	don't you have a decent bet on argentina ?	[04:13]
indiancandy1	im so happy germany won	[04:13]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And you know that because people are doing their jobs atm	[04:13]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal sure. gotta support the team	[04:13]
indiancandy1	do u speak spanish mircea	[04:13]
mircea_popescu	yep	[04:14]
TheNewDeal	haha you want to bet but aren't interested in watching the game?	[04:14]
cazalla	indiancandy1: do you like Germans? my oma met the fuhrer	[04:14]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal the fuck do i care.	[04:14]
TheNewDeal	enough to bet?	[04:14]
kakobrekla	enough to win, dude.	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal i didn't actually watch the tennis chick either	[04:16]
mircea_popescu	happened on a rerun, also in some cafe, also last 15 minutes or so.	[04:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29200 @ 0.0007842 = 22.8986 BTC [+] {2}	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	I rarely watch events I bet on	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	!up indiancandy1	[04:17]
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TheNewDeal	even if it's difficulty :D?	[04:17]
indiancandy1	i like germans	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Difficulty isn't as lucrative as betting against Serena Williams	[04:17]
indiancandy1	i prefer greeks though	[04:17]
mircea_popescu	hard to not watch difficulty.	[04:17]
indiancandy1	serena williams is a champ	[04:18]
BingoBoingo	Serena Williams loses with great predictability	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	that'd have been a sad typo	[04:19]
TheNewDeal	I was freaking out today. Just bet against the top scorer last night, then some mexican dude whips out his phone today at work and was telling me germany had 9 goals	[04:19]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal lmao i can see tha	[04:19]
cazalla	lol	[04:20]
BingoBoingo	Anytime the Decimal odds on Serena Williams opponent pays under 10, Serena doesn't win. You can turn 0.1 BTC into 1 BTC that way with decent regularity.	[04:20]
TheNewDeal	not sure if he didn't know the english word for siete	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	"omfg someone got 4 ?"	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal no they had more but annulled.	[04:20]
TheNewDeal	whaaaaat	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	yup	[04:20]
mircea_popescu	they raped that team	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	i don't even think this happened before, in a wc match	[04:21]
TheNewDeal	ridiculous	[04:21]
TheNewDeal	he showed me a brief clip of a brazilian person in tears	[04:21]
TheNewDeal	it was hilarious	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	if messi fals into an elevator hatch	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	it's gonna be 25-0 for germany	[04:21]
TheNewDeal	ahhaha	[04:21]
mircea_popescu	the problem of mono teams.	[04:21]
BingoBoingo	I hope for an Argentina Germany final where the only players to survive the jerkoff pregame festivities are Messi and Klose	[04:22]
TheNewDeal	if you can make it that far, it doesn't really matter	[04:22]
cazalla	it'll go to a shootout where messi misses and germany wins	[04:23]
TheNewDeal	ill bet you on that	[04:24]
TheNewDeal	;)	[04:24]
cazalla	what odds	[04:24]
cazalla	on just a shootout	[04:24]
decimation	asciilifeform: you can watch the loud australian guy teardown an $18k 20ghz spectrum analyzer made by agilent http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QBFIfKlvHU	[04:24]
assbot	EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - YouTube	[04:24]
decimation	the us still makes very high quality stuff, you just have to pay golden toliet prices to get it	[04:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40150 @ 0.00078181 = 31.3897 BTC [-] {2}	[04:26]
mircea_popescu	decimation lmao guy wants to play with spring	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	wtf, not turned on ?	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	how do i know it's the actual thing if he doesn';t sample anything with it first ?	[04:29]
decimation	heh that's a good point	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	embeded windows ?!	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	this guy isn't very smart is he.	[04:33]
decimation	heh well it's actually a fair guess for agilent	[04:33]
decimation	they are famous for making $20k test equipment that runs windows xp	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	the smart comment was re "some processors or something but we don't care about that"	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	what interests him are the fully machined aluminum blocks.	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	i mean...	[04:35]
decimation	heh yeah for him the computer is the uninteresting part, he cares about the rf parts hehe	[04:35]
decimation	yeah	[04:35]
decimation	I think his past experience was as a pcb designer	[04:35]
decimation	so that's what he focuses on, the board construction	[04:35]
mircea_popescu	yeah i see it.	[04:36]
decimation	there are some interesting design choices (some he points out, some he doesn't). as ascii would say, figuring out the details is an excercise for the alert reader	[04:37]
mircea_popescu	yea im watching it	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	why don't they have insulant between the two modules is beyond me.	[04:38]
decimation	3e8 m/s / 20 GHz = 15 mm wavelength at 20 Ghz - that's why you see all the esoteric shielding	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	air is dielectric, ok, but wouldn't some paste fare better ?	[04:39]
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indiancandy1	mircea im in love with you	[04:39]
indiancandy1	becuase your so bizare	[04:40]
indiancandy1	i think your related to vladmire	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	how am i bizarre!	[04:40]
TheNewDeal	but he only impales women	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal what's an asshole in the dark.	[04:40]
TheNewDeal	lol	[04:40]
decimation	the system is complex, it needs to separate the RF portion from the computer portion, and also conduct heat. I suspect compromises were made between the competing priorities	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=188	[04:41]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets bash	[04:41]
indiancandy1	do you not think you are?	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	decimation hence the paste comment	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	air odesn't conduct.	[04:42]
indiancandy1	mircea do you eat alot of garlic	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	i do actually.	[04:42]
indiancandy1	i knew it	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	smells that bad eh ?	[04:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: i 'tore down' a $300k robot. big whoop.	[04:43]
asciilifeform	decimation: if you can reassemble the thing later, it's like it never happened.	[04:43]
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mircea_popescu	i tore down a trabant engine	[04:44]
decimation	yeah, I can reasonably guaruntee that for 20 GHz equipment, it's not like it never happened (for this guy)	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	exactly	[04:44]
decimation	he does point out "well it will probably have to be recalibrated"	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	tightly packed handled mass produced electronics like these...	[04:44]
asciilifeform	decimation: shield design, note, is quite like mine. (and everyone else's!) i'd love to have the machined aluminum cavity, though. but cost.	[04:44]
decimation	heh yeah that's what I was thinking.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform our pricepoint is not 30k	[04:45]
asciilifeform	haha yeah	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	something tells me that if it were, you';d bitch about machined silver	[04:45]
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decimation	if you want quality that's what you pay	[04:46]
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decimation	you can probably buy a "spectrum analyzer" for $1k new	[04:46]
asciilifeform	decimation: my chicom dirtscope has one built in. but, have to understand limits of the instrument.	[04:46]
asciilifeform	(whether 200 or 200k)	[04:46]
indiancandy1	romanians love garlic	[04:47]
indiancandy1	there is a restaurant in harlesden	[04:47]
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mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[04:47]
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decimation	these guys will make you machined aluminium: http://www.ponoko.com/make-and-sell/materials/ponoko-united-states?kind=Metal&mode=materials	[04:47]
assbot	Ponoko - United States - Materials Catalog - Ponoko	[04:47]
indiancandy1	a romanian one and all there food is garlicy when u sweat does it smell like garlic?	[04:47]
decimation	from 40 mil sheets	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	i mostly eat it with italian food.	[04:47]
asciilifeform	decimation: i bet the thing still uses staggered (out of phase) multiple ADC, though	[04:47]
indiancandy1	do you cook?	[04:47]
asciilifeform	afaik nobody makes a 20GHz adc.	[04:48]
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decimation	oh I doubt it's 20 ghz instantaneous bandwidth	[04:48]
decimation	it probably has a ~100 mhz swept receiver	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	yes i cook.	[04:48]
asciilifeform	and i should add that 18k usd is cheap for a laboratory instrument.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform this looks like a field instrument.	[04:48]
asciilifeform	a miserable little spectrophotometer (every bio lab on the planet) runs about 50k.	[04:48]
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decimation	yeah this is one of those portable deals. You can give agilent at least 2-3x that for a high quality lab grade spectrum analyzer	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	brb	[04:49]
decimation	asciilifeform - but to your point about bio stuff - that's probably why agilent is keeping the agilent name for the bio side of the new company	[04:50]
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asciilifeform	agilent is just the old hp instrument division, spun off	[04:50]
decimation	I know, but they are going to spinoff again	[04:50]
decimation	"keysight technologies" will be the name of the new test&measurement division	[04:50]
decimation	"agilent" is going to go to the bio-bezzle company	[04:51]
decimation	in a proper technology company you would keep your high-end engineers busy building esoteric stuff, while their knowledge & expertise trickles down to other areas	[04:52]
asciilifeform	also note that the machined cavity is SOP in military electronics	[04:52]
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decimation	pretty much anything miniaturized & high spec RF	[04:52]
decimation	http://www.agilent.com/about/companyinfo/company-separation.html	[04:53]
assbot	Agilent \| Information About Keysight Spinoff from Agilent	[04:53]
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decimation	I wish I had access to a high spec metal mill	[04:54]
asciilifeform	i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine.	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	Fuck cnc. If you can't mill it with a Bastard File it isn't worth it.	[04:55]
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assbot	Baggage X-Ray machine teardown Part 1 - YouTube	[04:56]
decimation	I guess it depends which bit you used	[04:56]
asciilifeform	gotta love the 'bodge wire' (patch.) ~25 min. in film.	[04:56]
indiancandy1	when are you going 2 cook for me mircia	[04:56]
indiancandy1	im coming over to ur house	[04:57]
decimation	ascii did you use your laser cutter to make solder masks?	[04:57]
asciilifeform	decimation: nope. pcb made at actual factory.	[04:57]
decimation	like the plastic that you put over the board so you can apply the solder paste?	[04:58]
asciilifeform	decimation: at present time, i apply the paste with a pump. tried plastic templates (laser cut), wasn't satisfied.	[04:58]
asciilifeform	my tube (40 watt) won't cut steel.	[04:58]
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decimation	yeah I guess a proper solder template is made of metal	[04:59]
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asciilifeform	decimation: not only this - but you need a fairly costly 'printing press' to apply the paste evenly through the gasket.	[04:59]
decimation	on the youtubes people just use a squeegie	[05:00]
decimation	it looks half-ass though	[05:00]
decimation	actually the best solution is probably a wave-soldering machine	[05:01]
asciilifeform	for smt?!	[05:01]
decimation	I think you typically glue the components down first	[05:01]
asciilifeform	good recipe for failure	[05:02]
asciilifeform	tension on the pads	[05:02]
decimation	yeah I guess if they aren't tight you are going to get alot of cold joints	[05:02]
asciilifeform	you get parts that fall off x years later.	[05:02]
BingoBoingo	If you can, you must... have your top rib cut out http://stlouis.cardinals.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20140708&content_id=83719924&vkey=news_stl&c_id=stl&tcid=tw_article_83719924	[05:03]
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decimation	heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit	[05:04]
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asciilifeform	decimation: same as on my chinese scope!	[05:04]
decimation	heh yeah, most of what you pay for is in the tracking oscillator	[05:05]
asciilifeform	student project idea	[05:06]
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asciilifeform	take the agilent scope, and fly it to north korea	[05:06]
asciilifeform	see if it boots up after.	[05:06]
decimation	heh you mean the gps?	[05:07]
decimation	would be amusing	[05:07]
decimation	you don't have to go to north korea: can simulate gps signal: http://www.labsat.co.uk/index.php/en/	[05:08]
assbot	LabSat - GPS Simulator, GPS Signal Generator	[05:08]
asciilifeform	doesn't have to be gps proper.	[05:08]
asciilifeform	there are other ways to figure out that you're 'far from kansas.'	[05:08]
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decimation	what's interesting is how modular and easy to take apart this agilent device is	[05:11]
decimation	it would be fairly straightforward to disassemble & repair, unlike macbook air for example	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	i see nothing in there that couldn't be milled on an ordinary desktop cnc machine. << this.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	unless you're making rifles or something, you don't need it.	[05:12]
asciilifeform	pashtuns make perfectly normal kalash with hand file	[05:12]
asciilifeform	like BingoBoingo.	[05:12]
decimation	or titanium knives	[05:12]
asciilifeform	but go make the die for shells with file.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	heh yeah the a/d converter next to the 'bodge wires' is only 40 MHz 12-bit << wtf. so 20ghz is a scam ?	[05:13]
asciilifeform	same 'scam' as my 100mhz scope	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	but they claim to be differen	[05:14]
asciilifeform	take N independent adc, and stagger the sampling phases	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	which'd be the scam.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	what, they use 500 of the things ?!	[05:14]
asciilifeform	lower noise, cleaner stagger.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	nowai.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	but go make the die for shells with file. << women, diamond dust, fingers.	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	look at some of the examples of ancient gemcutting, you'll be impressed.	[05:15]
asciilifeform	gem cutters cheat	[05:15]
decimation	it's not really an oscilloscope, doesn't need to have 20 ghz of bandwidth	[05:15]
asciilifeform	because crystals cleave on symmetry plane.	[05:15]
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mircea_popescu	!up felipelalli	[05:15]
-assbot-	You voiced felipelalli for 30 minutes.	[05:15]
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decimation	it makes an image of the spectrum, sampled over a period of time	[05:15]
decimation	typically you sweep from low to high frequencies of interest	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	decimation i thought the claim was 20ghz of bw	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	maybe im confused.	[05:16]
decimation	nah, not instantaneous	[05:16]
asciilifeform	20ghz is easy. 20ghz where you aren't simply picking up harmonics from your own logic - hard.	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform amorpous metal will process similarly, just takes longer	[05:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: women, wire, electrolyte. electrolytic deposition - with pencil!	[05:17]
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decimation	yeah that's why all the shielding (preventing logic spurious signals)	[05:17]
asciilifeform	note (e.g. at 47 minutes) the pcb-as-passive-component trick	[05:18]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: You asymmetric seeding of the pot this round may have fucked you https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/16/	[05:19]
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mike_c	looks like its breakeven so far!	[05:20]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Close to, but...	[05:21]
asciilifeform	http://youtu.be/1QBFIfKlvHU?t=49m56s << artist!	[05:21]
assbot	EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - YouTube	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	mike_c losing all our monyz	[05:22]
decimation	hehe yeah those "pcb waveguide" filters are awesome	[05:22]
decimation	agilent still has a few "greybeards" who know RF	[05:22]
mike_c	nah, i seeded with MPIF funds :D	[05:22]
asciilifeform	decimation: not necessarily. usually these patterns are crapped out by software.	[05:22]
decimation	plus vast sums invested in engineering simulation software	[05:22]
decimation	yeah hehe	[05:23]
decimation	I think agilent makes "genesis" which does exactly this	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He's up like 0.001	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	aok	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	For now	[05:25]
decimation	the max "resolution bandwidth" for the device is only 3 MHz, that's the width of its filter as it tracks over 20 GHz	[05:26]
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mircea_popescu	micro sd slot ?	[05:28]
decimation	re: pashtun kalashnikovs : http://www.isegoria.net/2011/02/obsolete-weapons/	[05:29]
assbot	Obsolete Weapons « Isegoria	[05:29]
decimation	the sd slot is probably to store pretty pictures of the spectrum you capture	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	so "attention to detail" agilent is full of random wires lol	[05:30]
asciilifeform	doubt the bodges are in the analogue nets	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	decimation since not populated nor intended to open i imagined it's factory diagnosis ?	[05:30]
asciilifeform	likely contents of sd: fpga bitstreams	[05:31]
asciilifeform	(firmware)	[05:31]
decimation	yeah I just saw what you were talking about, the one in the middle of the board is to load new firmware	[05:31]
decimation	yeah	[05:31]
decimation	that way they don't have to slow down assembly line with firmware burner	[05:31]
decimation	plus it is simple to field upgrade	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	makes sense	[05:32]
*	mircea_popescu has learned a lot this past half hour	[05:32]
decimation	yeah this video is unusally good for this guy, usually he just rambles at the camera for an hour rather than showing the goods	[05:33]
asciilifeform	serious lab instruments usually look quite like this on inside.	[05:33]
asciilifeform	it is only a surprise to folks who were never left alone with them	[05:33]
asciilifeform	(and screwdriver)	[05:33]
decimation	computers could be built this way, if people were willing to pay for it	[05:34]
asciilifeform	were, in fact.	[05:34]
asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/54/Minuteman_guidance_computer_(1).jpg	[05:34]
asciilifeform	^ first 'computer' my university got.	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	ceramic composite gasket ?	[05:35]
decimation	heh yeah that's the autonetics deal	[05:35]
asciilifeform	notice exactly same style of machined cavity, gasket, board.	[05:35]
asciilifeform	plus shock mounts	[05:35]
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asciilifeform	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Autonetics_D-17.JPG	[05:36]
asciilifeform	^ moar	[05:36]
decimation	probably could withstand 50 g shock	[05:36]
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mircea_popescu	yup	[05:37]
asciilifeform	for anyone overcome with urges, there's an emulator somewhere, if i recall.	[05:37]
decimation	heh thru-hole parts with hand-drawn pcbs	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	someone leave him the comment he asks for ?	[05:37]
mircea_popescu	ahaha solder reinforced dead trace ?	[05:37]
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decimation	on the guy's forum someone talks about the bodge wires: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-470-agilent-n9344c-20ghz-spectrum-analyser-teardown/msg233302/#msg233302	[05:41]
assbot	EEVblog #470 - Agilent N9344C 20GHz Spectrum Analyser Teardown - Page 3	[05:41]
decimation	" It's not unusual for the first couple of units to have components changed by designers who are not expert solderers just to prove that the mod works as intended. Once everyone is happy then some of these units become demo models, "	[05:41]
decimation	this was probably a demo unit, if the agilent sales guys gave it to him	[05:41]
decimation	I can't find any comments about the gaskets, youtube sucks	[05:42]
asciilifeform	the gaskets are usually 'mu metal'	[05:42]
asciilifeform	;;google mu metal	[05:42]
gribble	Mu-metal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; MuShield Magnetic Shielding / MuMetal Home Page, the leader in ...: ; MuMETAL® Sheet and Foil On Magnetic Shield Corporation:	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	this is why if i managed him i'd only take final customer items.	[05:42]
asciilifeform	the dissector fellow ought to have known this.	[05:42]
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decimation	I suspect the gaskets are something like this http://www.chomerics.com/products/emi/gaskets/wovenwires/index.html	[05:46]
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BingoBoingo	Futbol would be a lot more interesting if the World Cup's championship game was just Klose and Messi taking shots from the goal line for 90 minutes	[05:47]
decimation	I think the mu-metal is used to line the outer plastic chassis	[05:47]
asciilifeform	decimation: looked solid in the film.	[05:47]
decimation	yeah, it did	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	diametric not bad. i like your guy better than the agilent guy	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	uh i mean dignork :p	[05:48]
dignork	mircea_popescu: but x-ray!	[05:48]
BingoBoingo	http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-34T4FnOKEys/U7moV_bQg9I/AAAAAAAAEMM/OX7469hRnH8/s1600/conc.jpg	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	What was not noticed much outside of Afghanistan, was that this shift in weaponry brought to an end a long Afghan tradition of precision, long range shooting.	[05:50]
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asciilifeform	old debate about bolt action vs. auto rifle is old...	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	this is bs. unless chinese made, a proper ak probably outshoots a worn-to-shit ww2 surplus bolt action	[05:50]
asciilifeform	around here, most bolt action enthusiasts own 'mosin' - in virginal conditionl.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[05:51]
decimation	not if you are 600 yards away	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	try shooting a ww1 rifle once	[05:51]
asciilifeform	russia produced millions of them, and they can be had in original crate (!) for about 100 usd.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	a daisy's got better accuracy	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	decimation "the half dozen or so men moved several hundred meters away and drew lots to see who would fire in what order."	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	2-3 even 400.	[05:52]
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decimation	afghanistan is the ideal long-distance shooting country	[05:53]
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mircea_popescu	in that sense they need sniper rifles not frigging enfields.	[05:53]
decimation	well sure, but they have $100 to spend on pashtoon ak or enfield :)	[05:53]
asciilifeform	russia still fields mosins for sniper use	[05:54]
asciilifeform	naturally, 'massaged' mosins, not the usual surplus market	[05:54]
cazalla	zhoutong is getting into the atm card business https://www.coinjar.com/dna	[05:54]
decimation	this guy on the UK side was having a field day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Harrison_%28sniper%29	[05:54]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla the disadvantage of running a neobee is that you get the "no news" people on your case	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	and gotta keep pumping them "news"	[05:55]
asciilifeform	lol re: baggage machine. used to push my knapsack through this exact type of box every morning.	[05:55]
asciilifeform	also mega-lol re: 3rd comment on film.	[05:56]
asciilifeform	1nn0c3nt l1v3s!	[05:56]
cazalla	mircea_popescu: there is a new exchange here in au, cointree.com.au, i emailed and invited them here, they were happy to meet for coffee or do a google hangout but no show here :	[05:57]
dignork	the guy made a long film out of it, but he managed to turn it on, and then was brave/stupid enough to disassemble particle emitter	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	dignork o wow he did that ?	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	what do trhese things use, high voltage diode ?	[05:58]
asciilifeform	xray tube hasn't really changed since it was discovered.	[05:59]
decimation	most good engineers would have alot of trouble figuring out circuitry from an xray (in a short timeframe)	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	tungsten/rhenium ?	[05:59]
decimation	now imagine what kind of chance the average airport mouthbreather has to figure things out	[05:59]
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asciilifeform	aye, whack a tungsten target with electron. bremsstrahlung!	[06:00]
decimation	nah, use scotch tape	[06:00]
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asciilifeform	hard to get detector that is sensitive enough	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[06:00]
decimation	http://www.nature.com/news/2008/012345/full/news.2008.1185.html	[06:01]
assbot	Sticky tape generates X-rays : Nature News	[06:01]
asciilifeform	that one.	[06:01]
asciilifeform	love how they eventually admitted that it was a '50s russian discovery	[06:01]
asciilifeform	but, 'remastered!'	[06:01]
decimation	Yeah I bet you need a good vaccuum too	[06:01]
dignork	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ffx5eX39E	[06:01]
assbot	Baggage X-ray machine part 6 - inside the black box. - YouTube	[06:01]
decimation	I was reading about the history of computers the other day ascii - early soviet machines were balance ternary!	[06:01]
asciilifeform	decimation: yes.	[06:02]
decimation	I find that amusing, perhaps when the 'end of moore' comes, ternary computers will reappear	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	what killed it ?	[06:02]
asciilifeform	http://archive.today/kxP9k	[06:02]
assbot	Online Emulation of Soviet Ternary Computer Setun / rinary	[06:02]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: i might have mentioned this once, long ago. what killed? the decision to copy american machines to run warez.	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[06:03]
asciilifeform	all native russian work on computing was nixed	[06:03]
decimation	and the american machines were already "new jersey" style	[06:03]
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asciilifeform	ternary cpu was not only space-efficient (closer to 'e', more compact arithmetic representation) but considerably simplified arithm. circuits.	[06:04]
asciilifeform	no need for 'complements'	[06:04]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ternary_computer	[06:04]
assbot	Ternary computer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: There are still WWI era Springfields that are in nice shape, but with the Enfields... "British Industry" producers of fine cars that have a commonality with puppies in their leaving of puddles	[06:05]
BingoBoingo	;;bc,stats	[06:06]
gribble	Current Blocks: 309868 \| Current Difficulty: 1.6818461371161112E10 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 310463 \| Next Difficulty In: 595 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 3 days, 17 hours, 48 minutes, and 40 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 16958371720.9 \| Estimated Percent Change: 0.83189	[06:06]
decimation	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balanced_ternary "Donald Knuth has pointed out that truncation and rounding are the same operation in balanced ternary ? they produce exactly the same result (a property shared with other balanced numeral systems). "	[06:06]
assbot	Balanced ternary - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[06:06]
asciilifeform	yes.	[06:06]
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decimation	it's actually quite elegant, rids you of the need to come up with some silly signed integer representation	[06:07]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55z_0BYb5is	[06:08]
assbot	Wierd military computer boards - YouTube	[06:08]
asciilifeform	^ re: mil-style board construction	[06:08]
*	BingoBoingo still dreams of "spider shotgun" shooting sub 0.1 grams of salt	[06:08]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 'ratshot'	[06:09]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Ratshot fucks up drywall	[06:09]
asciilifeform	exists, saw in catalogue not long ago.	[06:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17314 @ 0.00078026 = 13.5094 BTC [+]	[06:09]
asciilifeform	incl. plastic variant	[06:09]
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BingoBoingo	Plastic ratshot still messes drywall. Also... I want it for the challenge. Not smashing spiders with a weapon capable of felling a snake	[06:10]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: 100mW diode laser.	[06:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26610 @ 0.00077972 = 20.7483 BTC [-] {2}	[06:11]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Now we're talking	[06:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.03660002 = 0.732 BTC [-] {2}	[06:12]
decimation	wonder how many backyard warriors are planning on killing the neighbor's kids while "defending" their home with an ak?	[06:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 70 @ 0.036 = 2.52 BTC [-]	[06:14]
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nubbins`	i saw a video earlier of a 3d-printed composting shredder	[06:16]
BingoBoingo	Blackbag operation against the groundhog stealling all of the soon to be tomatoes last week was satisfying	[06:17]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_spot/2014/07/08/brazil_blown_out_by_germany_at_world_cup_how_will_it_effect_president_dilma.html	[06:21]
assbot	Brazil blown out by Germany at World Cup: How will it effect President Dilma Rousseff in the upcoming election?	[06:21]
decimation	ascii those military boards you linked are apparently from a VAX!	[06:21]
asciilifeform	decimation: 'minuteman' and many other american products still run on vax (in their 'modernized' variants!)	[06:22]
BingoBoingo	Vaxocentrism 4 Lyfe!!!	[06:22]
decimation	yeah, the amount of extra work you have to go through to meet mil-spec for avionics, etc, why bother changing software?	[06:22]
asciilifeform	vax forever because... alternative is: winblows.	[06:23]
asciilifeform	(why? ask them - not me)	[06:23]
decimation	http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=118887	[06:24]
assbot	404 - File or directory not found.	[06:24]
BingoBoingo	Spac isn't bad either before Sparc III	[06:24]
decimation	"The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power of more than two million information technology users to award a three-year, $617 million joint enterprise license agreement for Microsoft products, defense officials announced."	[06:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31476 @ 0.00077871 = 24.5107 BTC [-] {2}	[06:24]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/dougmillsnyt/statuses/486698576630669312	[06:24]
assbot	Twitter / dougmillsnyt: Obama reacts as he is greeted ...	[06:24]
decimation	the DoD was very clever in its spending of $0.6 billion for crapware	[06:25]
decimation	if only they would have seen the value they would have also purchased whatsapp for $20bn	[06:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8324 @ 0.00078138 = 6.5042 BTC [+]	[06:25]
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BingoBoingo	decimation: And you suppose Facebook isn't a front how?	[06:30]
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decimation	http://gawker.com/5636765/facebook-ceo-admits-to-calling-users-dumb-fucks tells you all you need to know about facebook	[06:32]
assbot	Facebook CEO Admits To Calling Users 'Dumb Fucks'	[06:32]
nubbins`	horse heads	[06:33]
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asciilifeform	http://trilema.com/2014/riverwalk-a-proper-one/#comment-102409	[06:37]
assbot	Riverwalk. A proper one. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/07/08/smallpox_discovered_old_laboratory_produces_surprising_find.html	[06:38]
assbot	Smallpox discovered: Old laboratory produces surprising find.	[06:39]
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BingoBoingo	!up peterl	[06:41]
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peterl	hi	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	halo	[06:41]
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BingoBoingo	!up shandid	[06:46]
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BingoBoingo	!up akstunt600	[06:46]
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shandid	hey	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	Hello shandid	[06:47]
BingoBoingo	What brings you here	[06:48]
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mircea_popescu	"The Defense Department has leveraged the buying power << lmao	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	looks like i owe stan a beer nao	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	any strippers in washington dc wanna do a home delivery ?	[06:55]
TheNewDeal	mememe	[06:56]
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asciilifeform	i'll pick up mein bier in person soon enough.	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	bring the strippers.	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00077757 = 13.2187 BTC [-]	[06:57]
BingoBoingo	Looks like I could do it round trip of a bit over 24 hours on I-70	[06:58]
benkay	can anybody recommend an irc bouncer. // emacs + mosh on remote boxx	[06:58]
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mike_c	thx. i don't know anything about emacs yet.	[06:59]
benkay	it's okay for editing text	[07:00]
asciilifeform	emacs is life	[07:00]
BingoBoingo	Life seems to be in a precarious position, once again thanks to life bombs launching damaging spaceships	[07:00]
benkay	mostly it's just a lispy wrapper around *nix runtime	[07:00]
benkay	whoa asciilifeform getting all religious	[07:00]
[]bot	Bet placed: 5 BTC for No on "World Cup top scorer to net > 7" http://bitbet.us/bet/905/ Odds: 7(Y):93(N) by coin, 28(Y):72(N) by weight. Total bet: 38.06780078 BTC. Current weight: 6,304.	[07:01]
asciilifeform	life in literal sense. little oasis in a parched desert of dry turd.	[07:01]
benkay	more like semi sanitizing wrapper	[07:01]
benkay	poo stench still oozes through	[07:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.035 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}	[07:01]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: you got a position?	[07:01]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Just a little bit on death, less a bit on life	[07:01]
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asciilifeform	benkay: stench still oozes through << of course.	[07:02]
thestringpuller	emacs is lame. vim 4 lyfe	[07:03]
*	mircea_popescu uses nano and what is this	[07:03]
TheNewDeal	who is 16tao	[07:03]
TheNewDeal	16tAo	[07:04]
asciilifeform	lives there a man who doesn't use nano? (or, 'pico' ?)	[07:04]
asciilifeform	Breathes there the man, with soul so dead, / Who never to himself hath said, / This is my own, my native shell! / Whose heart hath ne'er within him burn'd, / As home his footsteps he hath turn'd, / From wandering on a winblows hell!	[07:06]
asciilifeform	(apologies to sir walter scott)	[07:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00078049 = 9.0927 BTC [+]	[07:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16776 @ 0.00078138 = 13.1084 BTC [+]	[07:10]
mircea_popescu	not bad.	[07:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18324 @ 0.00078498 = 14.384 BTC [+]	[07:11]
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kyuupichan	TheNewDeal: I believe it's kako, but I could be wrong	[07:23]
kyuupichan	Why?	[07:23]
TheNewDeal	it's an address I see lots while scowering bitbet for my latest fortune	[07:24]
kyuupichan	Someone who's close to MP at any rate	[07:24]
TheNewDeal	wasn't sure if it was MP himself	[07:24]
TheNewDeal	was looking at this	[07:24]
TheNewDeal	http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/	[07:24]
assbot	BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No \| closing in 19 hours 35 minutes \| weight: 28`366 (100`000 to 10`000)	[07:24]
kyuupichan	haha, that's a possibility, but I think he normally uses 1K4fs (or sthg similar)	[07:24]
kyuupichan	1K4Fs	[07:25]
TheNewDeal	which is basically 50 1K4fs vs 32.335 16tAo	[07:25]
TheNewDeal	plus some chump change	[07:25]
kyuupichan	Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako.	[07:26]
TheNewDeal	assuming 16tAo is kako, and 1K4fs is mp, how much does each make in the winning/losing scenario	[07:27]
kyuupichan	A shitload :)	[07:28]
TheNewDeal	how much would one recover from the losing side, considering they owned a large portion of bitbet shares?	[07:30]
mike_c	1% * (percentage they don't own) - expenses.	[07:32]
mike_c	negligible	[07:32]
mike_c	er, * percentage they do own i mean	[07:32]
mike_c	still, very little.	[07:32]
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TheNewDeal	true, looks like it would 1% or less of original bet	[07:34]
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kyuupichan	Between them they own most of bitbet meaning they almost bet for free	[07:35]
TheNewDeal	i guess that's pretty fair	[07:36]
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TheNewDeal	not that I have a say in the matter :D	[07:36]
decimation	asciilifeform: I've been using org-mode recently, it is definitely a useful tool	[07:36]
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mthreat	mircea_popescu: i thought you'd like this: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/t1.0-9/10550867_10204346767814371_6414089052882239487_n.jpg	[07:42]
mthreat	mircea_popescu: it's a mannequin at a restaurant (Filo) in retiro	[07:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00078155 = 14.7713 BTC [-]	[07:52]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21000 @ 0.00078446 = 16.4737 BTC [+]	[08:01]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1.7998 BTC for No on "Bitstamp Price to exceed 900$ before August (day's low)" http://bitbet.us/bet/814/ Odds: 17(Y):83(N) by coin, 27(Y):73(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.4097083 BTC. Current weight: 19,659.	[08:04]
[]bot	Bet placed: 59.99631592 BTC for No on "1BTC >= $10,000 USD" http://bitbet.us/bet/635/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 17(Y):83(N) by weight. Total bet: 612.76560806 BTC. Current weight: 37,560.	[08:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00078155 = 9.066 BTC [-]	[08:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00078043 = 14.7111 BTC [-] {2}	[08:09]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[15:27]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 21:58:12 2014	[15:27]
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fluffypony	those odds	[15:27]
fluffypony	that is nuts	[15:27]
kakobrekla	but i was thinking in a sense - you submit your order via whatever protocol and there is some delay to response or it may never come	[15:28]
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kakobrekla	basically regardless of which protocol you pick these things can happen	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	davout what's netherlands, like a team or something ?	[15:28]
kakobrekla	so i guess giving it an expiration date fixes this in most if not all cases	[15:28]
kakobrekla	but it complicates it somewhat.	[15:29]
pankkake	the other advantage is that you can wait for the return… and give up waiting after expiration	[15:29]
kakobrekla	mpex model is to requery stat and hope to see if its in	[15:29]
pankkake	lol	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	Confirmed bets: 11000	[15:30]
davout	pankkake: because answer got lost on the way	[15:30]
davout	mebbe	[15:30]
kakobrekla	yeah but i can see how time sync can also be problematic	[15:30]
pankkake	hm, right, you cannot be sure of that too	[15:30]
davout	mircea_popescu: they're the guys who give the balls to robben	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/991/argentina-beats-netherlands/	[15:31]
assbot	BitBet - Argentina beats Netherlands :: 50.07 B (60%) on Yes, 32.96 B (40%) on No \| closing in 11 hours 28 minutes \| weight: 20`762 (100`000 to 10`000)	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	they're not doing so hawt :p	[15:31]
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mircea_popescu	kyuupichan: Right. Notice they were placed at the same time - making it highly likely they knew each other were going to bet. There was no public discussion. Hence my suspicion it's kako. << kako only has 31.35 btc.	[15:33]
kakobrekla	lol	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	mthreat haha not bad. is it a girl or a boy tho ?	[15:34]
mircea_popescu	kyuupichan: I wonder what it'd take to get BTC to 10k by 29 Nov. World financial crisis perhaps? << lol. no, actually, any one of about a million or so people could do it today.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	buy 1mn worth of btc three-four times, it's done.	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1: they'll price it at whatever the hell they want << haven't managed it so far, no. if only it were that easy.	[15:36]
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mircea_popescu	so it seems we're having further problems with teh disks.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	o lovely disks ;/	[15:39]
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thestringpuller	https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad	[15:46]
assbot	Potato Salad by Zack Danger Brown — Kickstarter	[15:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 66 @ 0.01621653 = 1.0703 BTC [+] {4}	[15:52]
kakobrekla	hm, internets say theres liek 7mio millionaire households in usa alone	[15:53]
kakobrekla	half a mio of them in tokyo	[15:55]
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davout	germany scoring 7 goals against brazil isn't that bad	[16:01]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla well yes but someone can't put all their net worth into btc.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	for one thing they still need a house.	[16:01]
davout	they won 6 million to zero against israel back in the day	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	davout israel.	[16:01]
kakobrekla	i did it. apart from the liver.	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	Zack Danger is like, fuck, i gotta mail so many bites of potato salad...	[16:01]
kakobrekla	should have done the liver too.	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	so then you;'d have had over 33 bitcoinz ?	[16:03]
kakobrekla	uhum	[16:03]
kyuupichan	kako's gonna be 50 coinz richer soon	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	livers for the whole fambly!	[16:06]
kakobrekla	all i can say it isnt me. which is also what i would say if i wanted to you think it isnt me. so whatever.	[16:07]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: lol	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	just a random note, isnt the bitbet website kinda small, by today's resolution/monitor standards?	[16:07]
fluffypony	ThickAsThieves: I'll bet he gets into trouble with some countries for trying to import food to them	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	i just realized ive had it zoomed way in, cuz the WoL ad is all blurry	[16:07]
pankkake	I have a narrow browser, because it's easier to read	[16:08]
pankkake	those 1920 screens are stupid :/	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	theyre also why i canty stand left-aligned websites	[16:08]
kyuupichan	kakobrekla: lol	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	how come no one right aligns?	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	racists	[16:09]
kakobrekla	terrorist.	[16:10]
fluffypony	PRAISE ALLAH WITH MY RIGHT-ALIGNED SITE	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves just use punkman's gui	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	websites are for poor people.	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	how is bitbet sposed to be the furst biggest if so small?	[16:12]
davout	kakobrekla: no actually the terrorists do right align	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	to be fair i have more than half my websites zoomed in	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	mp told me to care for my eyes	[16:12]
pankkake	funny how many hipsters' websites have big fonts, yet those guys are young with big glasses	[16:13]
kakobrekla	davout yes that is being implied	[16:13]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: I use NoSquint, configurable zoom per website	[16:13]
FabianB	$mpexlag	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	chrome remembers the zoom too mostly	[16:13]
kakobrekla	pankkake do you zoom bitbet?	[16:13]
fluffypony	NoSquirt?	[16:13]
kakobrekla	fluffypony thats the result yea	[16:14]
fluffypony	:-P	[16:14]
pankkake	no, never felt the need to zoom it	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	FabianB it's been down for a while. working on it.	[16:14]
pankkake	though it definitively is easier on the eyes with 110% text-only zoom	[16:15]
kyuupichan	Public Note: bitcoin is harmful ponzi scheme, it will collapse soon, satoshi nakamoto is devil.	[16:15]
kyuupichan	lol	[16:15]
empyex	FabianB: Hmm.. error.	[16:15]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: kk	[16:16]
kyuupichan	Why TF does bitstamp put all their coins in one huge address? Doesn't seem the smartest plan.	[16:18]
kyuupichan	It's ironic the two largest BTC addresses are coins held in custody for others	[16:19]
kakobrekla	nowhere does it say they are smart.	[16:19]
pankkake	why would more addresses be more secure?	[16:19]
kakobrekla	i checked the faq.	[16:19]
pankkake	what's the other largest address?	[16:20]
kyuupichan	DPR seized coins	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	why would more addresses be more secure? << one address can't be in two wallets.	[16:20]
kakobrekla	eh?	[16:21]
ThickAsThieves	this is bound to be a circular debate	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	well that wasn't the best way to say it.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	all teh btc in one address are lost simultaneously.	[16:21]
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ThickAsThieves	more gears, more can break. less gears, when it breaks, it's worse.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	is what i meant.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[16:21]
pankkake	right; but the point shouldn't be more addresses, but more holders or locations	[16:22]
kakobrekla	question, do make withdrawals from that addy or they move the whole thing?	[16:22]
kyuupichan	That cosmic ray that does a bitflip between you pressing enter on the password and the software signing the txn	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	i'd guess it's cold storage and only tapped into when hot wallet is abnormally low	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	but what do i know	[16:24]
pankkake	can in a fridge	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[16:28]
nubbins`	fridge in a can	[16:28]
nubbins`	would buy	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	http://dcmagnates.com/pantera-capital-launches-pantera-bitindex-states-venture-capital-will-drive-bitcoin-growth/	[16:28]
assbot	Pantera Capital Launches Pantera Bitindex, States Venture Capital Will Drive Bitcoin Growth – Digital Currency Magnates	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	pantera is going to make a nice rug.	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	The research report also announced the launch of the Pantera BitIndex. Measuring seven data points, according to Pantera Capital	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	Developer interest on GitHub	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	Merchant adoption	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	Wikipedia views	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	Hashrate	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	Google searches	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	User adoption as measured by wallets	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	Transaction volume	[16:30]
nubbins`	;;ud pantera	[16:30]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pantera \| Pantera. A fucking kickass metal band that has, believe it or not, made a special appearance in Spongebob Squarepants' episode of "Pre-Hibernation Week".	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	hahaha ok	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	nice index bro	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	this is like... the forum 2.0	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	under the very flimsy - VERY flimsy - excuse that they aren't really this stupid, they're just trying to cater to the stupid.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	this sticks until you actually get to know them financial minds, and find out that yes, they are actualy that	[16:32]
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mircea_popescu	stupid	[16:32]
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pankkake	so pantera is going to invest in companies, not coins?	[16:34]
ThickAsThieves	USD falls today due to decreased github developer interest!	[16:34]
pankkake	s/companies/startups/	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	maybe it just buys the index	[16:35]
nubbins`	landed a job making t-shirts for my favourite sushi restaurant :D	[16:38]
pankkake	are you paid in sushis?	[16:38]
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mircea_popescu	:D	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	quote them in rolls!	[16:40]
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pankkake	anything's better than fiat. I have not had much success yet though	[16:41]
pankkake	say, I could be paid in hard drives	[16:42]
fluffypony	nigga plz	[16:42]
fluffypony	ssd's only	[16:43]
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pankkake	I don't need that much ssds. or I would be very very well paid if I moved everything to ssds	[16:43]
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fluffypony	so this DataTank mining crowd	[16:45]
fluffypony	they've now secured ALL OF THE FUNDINGZ	[16:45]
fluffypony	or something	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	what's it do ?	[16:45]
pankkake	tank	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	i beg your pardon ?	[16:45]
fluffypony	hah hah	[16:46]
fluffypony	they shove ASICs in tanks of fluid	[16:46]
fluffypony	in shipping containers	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	o o	[16:46]
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mircea_popescu	not such a horrible idea i thought	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	seeing how you then don't need a warehouse anymore, just a lot.	[16:46]
fluffypony	yeah	[16:47]
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mircea_popescu	asic miners are also the eminent tool for this. an isp can't do it because customers wil want upgrades etc	[16:47]
fluffypony	it seems nice from a visual perspective, all these shipping-container-modules	[16:47]
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fluffypony	but it doesn't seem to be a very clever use of space	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	but i was trying to sell a sysadmin friend on the concept of ironman isp, doing something quite similar.	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	"and if a server blows you just get another one"	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	!up mcm	[16:47]
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fluffypony	hah	[16:47]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony why not clever use of space ?	[16:48]
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pankkake	shipping cointainers are an old idea. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Modular_Datacenter	[16:48]
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assbot	Sun Modular Datacenter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[16:48]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake true.	[16:48]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: if you want to expand I think grabbing an existing warehouse and expanding within the warehouse is eminently more manageable, both from expansion and security perspectives	[16:49]
pankkake	perhaps having your mining farm mobile can be an advantage	[16:49]
fluffypony	pankkake: not when "mobile" needs 3-phase power	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony who's going to steal from a steel container ?	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	warehouse has gates. imo much more secure.	[16:49]
fluffypony	just steal the whole container	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah. right.	[16:50]
fluffypony	:-P	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	you need machinery for that, not really the same as backing in some pickup trucks.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	also you have to steal the whole thing. if people had to steal the WHOLE old lady, they a) couldn't use bikes and b)wouldn't be bothered.	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	the point is to be ab le to select just the purse.	[16:50]
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mircea_popescu	and as for expansion... those shits stack 10 iirc.	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	what dc has 10 floors ?	[16:51]
pankkake	perhaps you want to quickly change the state you operate in. because power costs, laws…	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	pankkake course i see thsi was announced 2006. my idea was cca 2002 :p	[16:51]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake plus you get unexpected bonuses. such as parking one in every trailer park in the us.	[16:54]
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Mats_cd03	http://www.linux-kongress.org/2010/slides/osmocombb-welte.pdf killer presentation on gsm	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	least ddos-able miner farm ever (which currently is the major problem)	[16:54]
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pankkake	do ddos the farm, you'd have to know what ips they have. pretty easy to hide from the public	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: seems like that is going to happen a dozen times over << im hoping about 5 (of which 3 already happened. 2 moar reserved for WCs)	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	pankkake nothing is ever easy to hide.	[16:56]
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mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal: wouldn't be too far-fetched to see people being paid in bitcoin, avoiding government taxation << inasmuch as you've seen this like... yesterday ? yeah.	[16:57]
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Mats_cd03	are miners generally vulnerable to ddos?	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	quite.	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	!up arsenische	[16:58]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla: wow, sexysaffron already removed from youtube, i bet you andreas did this >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yrlh3E_qu4	[16:59]
assbot	Mission: #bitcoin-assets - YouTube	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	how's it removed ?	[16:59]
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mircea_popescu	cazalla: ISIS videos have been on there for weeks << yeah but who ever cared about that :p	[16:59]
Mats_cd03	i enjoy the videos quite a bit	[17:00]
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Mats_cd03	jihadis have a flair for the dramatic. ends up with p good war porn	[17:01]
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pankkake	davout: http://www.numerama.com/magazine/29953-un-rapport-pour-encadrer-le-bitcoin-remis-par-tracfin-a-michel-sapin.html	[17:02]
assbot	Un rapport pour encadrer le Bitcoin remis par TRACFIN Michel Sapin	[17:02]
pankkake	the state is "somewhat worried"	[17:02]
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Mats_cd03	do miners necessarily have to be vulnerable to ddos? i cant say i understand how mining works in depth	[17:07]
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nubbins`	that video is brutal	[17:12]
nubbins`	BITCOIN!! HUEHUEHUEHUEHUE	[17:13]
danielpbarron	a miner doing 51% can take a ddos; any others would not be able to make the longest chain without up-to-date blockchain data	[17:13]
nubbins`	so IDGAF about sports	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron this being the most dangerous part of someone getting 51% : he now has a serious incentive to ddos the world.	[17:14]
nubbins`	but apparently pornhub and similar sites have been flooded with uploads of the germany-brazil game	[17:14]
davout	pankkake: thanks! so apparently it's due on friday	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	all he needs is to constantly kick the 2-3 closest competitors off the block. a la mtgox-tradehill	[17:15]
nubbins`	"young brazilians get fucked by entire german football team" etc	[17:15]
Mats_cd03	hilarious	[17:15]
nubbins`	they had to ask people to stop, claiming their public humiliation category was full	[17:16]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	public humiliation is never full!	[17:19]
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mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[17:30]
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pankkake	public disgrace	[17:30]
indiancandy1	who?	[17:34]
mircea_popescu	indiancandy1 here's a trick : this cannel is logged. you can see what people were talking about before you showed up. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-07-2014#750961	[17:36]
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kakobrekla	there is a log? oh my god mircea, i think i love you.	[17:38]
rithm	logs are for fags	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla show me your teats ?	[17:39]
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indiancandy1	his mine	[17:41]
indiancandy1	:(	[17:41]
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ThickAsThieves	"@BTCFoundation hires Thorsen French as outside lobbyists. Part of the appeal was they weren't invovled in past financial services battles"	[17:41]
ThickAsThieves	god forbid they have experience	[17:41]
kakobrekla	fuck you bitch i was here first.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you don';t get how probono works.	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	Altcoin currently has more votes than GroinCoin at hitbtc.com/vote	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	such progress	[17:42]
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mircea_popescu	"part of the appeal was that having no experience and looking for exposure, they didn't actually want to be paid"	[17:42]
chetty	ThickAsThieves, experience? whats this are you racist or smthn	[17:42]
ThickAsThieves	and more votes than ripple!	[17:42]
pankkake	I suppose you can pay for votes?	[17:43]
ThickAsThieves	probly	[17:43]
indiancandy1	it was rigged	[17:43]
rithm	omg where 2 buy realcomins!!!!!	[17:43]
rithm	*realcoinz	[17:43]
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ThickAsThieves	hmm it says nothing about paying for votes	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	but it does say theyll list if there are 2 market makers	[17:44]
pankkake	lol	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what's it take to be a market maker ?	[17:44]
ThickAsThieves	https://hitbtc.com/mm	[17:45]
assbot	Conditions for Market Makers / hitbtc	[17:45]
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mircea_popescu	so as a mpex update : all 8 drives + the raid controller are going to be cut up. replacements are going in. mpex won't be back today, but i expect it to be back tomorrow.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	FabianB ^	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	dont forget to tweet that all our bitcoins are safe too	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	well i would if only i hadn't killed andreas.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	but yes, bitcoin has nothing to do with this, this is the trade engine.	[17:50]
pankkake	so you don't want to ask for your twitter account back?	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	what, for free ?	[17:53]
pankkake	yes	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[17:53]
pankkake	they have not invented the unban-for-pay yet	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	twitter wants me tweeting, it gotta pay.	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	the trial account has gone as far as it'll go.	[17:54]
indiancandy1	mm	[17:54]
pankkake	well, for now redditards think they accomplished something	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	they have lol.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	they made twitter an iota less relevant.	[17:55]
pankkake	teaching them to be a mob?	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	which i guess is good for reddit, in some perspective.	[17:55]
pankkake	0 is 0 - I'm not arguing that you should twit, twitter is an useless website for useless people etc.	[17:55]
kakobrekla	they made twitter an iota less relevant. < just like a drop of shit can ruin a bottle of wine, a drop of wine doesnt fix the bottle of shit, ya know.	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know, that account is old. i had a two year or so gap in there, some time they "upgraded" their website.	[17:56]
pankkake	what am I arguing for is, show them they accomplished nothing	[17:57]
pankkake	twit "Hail ISIS, behead Roger Ver and Andreas Whatshispoulos"	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla nolo contendere	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	pankkake why should it be upon me to educate other people's children ?	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	let them think whatever they wish, they'll stil get killed if they step on the line.	[17:59]
mike_c	isn't that what you're doing here?	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	mike_c only accidentally.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	i mean, i don't in any sense mind if it happens, but it's not a goal.	[18:00]
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chetty	best goals = ones you don't have	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	tell that to brazil.	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	the goal is always better on the other side	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	so should i buy some APCs just in case argentina loses and then it's argentina-brazil for 3rd place ?	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	what's the odds on invasion ?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	!up indiancandy1	[18:06]
-assbot-	You voiced indiancandy1 for 30 minutes.	[18:06]
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mircea_popescu	bish learn how to wot already, this is getting stale.	[18:06]
indiancandy1	okay im doing now	[18:06]
indiancandy1	did you see the game got put on pornhub young brazilians get fucked by entire german soccer team	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	logs.bitcoin-assets.com	[18:07]
fluffypony	http://i.imgur.com/eEE7kcI.jpg	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	oops	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[18:07]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	“These world-class formations contain even more energy resource potential than previously understood, which is important information as we continue to reduce our nation’s dependence on foreign sources of oil,” said Secretary of the Interior Sally Jewell. “We must develop our domestic energy resources armed with the best available science, and this unbiased, objective information will help private, nonprofit an	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	d government decision makers at all levels make informed decisions about the responsible development of these resources.”	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	A key component of President Obama’s all-of-the-above energy strategy is the availability of sound science to guide informed decision-making regarding the safe and responsible development of America’s domestic energy resources.	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	“The USGS undertook this assessment of the Bakken and Three Forks Formations as part of a nationwide project assessing U.S. petroleum basins using standardized methodology and protocol,” said Acting Director of the USGS Suzette Kimball. “Through this improved understanding of our energy resources, government, industry, and citizens are better able to understand our domestic energy mix and make wiser decisions fo	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	r the future.”	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	all this fucking insistence on how it's scientific and standardised and everything makes me suspicious already.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	fortunately i'm not into minerals.	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	thats a lot of words to not say much	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	we looked at energy and decided we need to be smart about energy	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nah it's this supposedly major deposit in dakota, upgraded from 3bn barrels to 7bn,	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	tho afaik previously it was held as unproductive.	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	scamz	[18:12]
los_pantalones	they used to vertical drill	[18:12]
los_pantalones	now they are fracking	[18:12]
los_pantalones	and it's quite successful	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	yeah i was gonna say, this is shale	[18:13]
los_pantalones	yes	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	so better tech may account for it.	[18:13]
los_pantalones	they put a pipe in a 3 ft wide layer of rock 10k feet below ground	[18:13]
los_pantalones	and 10-20k feet horizontal	[18:14]
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mircea_popescu	los_pantalones they still holding on to that gulf moratorium ? or did that go away	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	i've really not been following energy	[18:16]
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nubbins`	"unproductive" is dynamic anyway	[18:17]
nubbins`	there was a time when western canada's tar sands were unproductive	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	true.	[18:17]
nubbins`	then the price of oil rose	[18:17]
nubbins`	they tried fracking inside a UNESCO world heritage site here last year	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:18]
indiancandy1	:(	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	how did that go ?	[18:18]
indiancandy1	i cant take this shit	[18:18]
nubbins`	everybody freaked the fuck out, now there's a fracking moratorium	[18:18]
nubbins`	golf claps all around	[18:18]
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los_pantalones	gulf back open for biz, i believe	[18:19]
mircea_popescu	lol i wonder how her frustration graph looks	[18:19]
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fluffypony	this is how I imagine stealing a shipping container would go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMS6iCrsqRA	[18:23]
assbot	Bieremy jak leci ! - YouTube	[18:23]
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mircea_popescu	lol right	[18:27]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2yWIHCase0 this ore like it	[18:33]
assbot	Forklift truck Crash with container on it - YouTube	[18:33]
fluffypony	clicks	[18:33]
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ThickAsThieves	http://blog.bitpay.com/2014/07/09/copay-beta-an-open-source-multisig-wallet.html	[18:35]
assbot	Copay (beta), An Open Source Multisig Wallet \| The BitPay Blog	[18:35]
fluffypony	omw	[18:35]
fluffypony	that poor driver	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	fucking dangerous these things, because people are tards and don't properly balance them	[18:36]
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los_pantalones	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLqYAQb_f3Y	[18:36]
assbot	Epic Forklift Fail Compilation Part 2 - YouTube	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLHP9h8zYD0 << anyway this one is fresh and was lulzy	[18:37]
assbot	Container ship sails straight to shore - Hong Kong April 6, 2014 - YouTube	[18:37]
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jurov	wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever?	[20:12]
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chetty	yeah mpex seems to eat disk drives	[20:20]
pankkake	no ssds?	[20:23]
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Mats_cd03	with the added cost you get faster io. i bet mpex isn't io bound	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov: wow is this second longest mpex downtime ever? yea.	[20:49]
Mats_cd03	wear leveling TRIM silent and catastrophic failure modes etc	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 the only problem with ssds is that they're more difficult to properly decomission	[20:49]
Mats_cd03	define decommission	[20:50]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: not hard at all! magnesium ribbon.	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 remove from production	[20:51]
kakobrekla	blend them.	[20:51]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: blend << nope. enemy will fish out intact dies.	[20:51]
kakobrekla	from dust?	[20:51]
asciilifeform	kakobrekla: go blend a thumb drive, see what you get.	[20:52]
kakobrekla	this	[20:52]
kakobrekla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2eNhPC8wCQ&feature=kp	[20:52]
Mats_cd03	mircea_popescu: owing to what is basically two layers of raid?	[20:52]
assbot	"Will It Blend" Series Tests Patriot Flash Drive for Durability - YouTube	[20:52]
asciilifeform	other, 'gentle' idea, dissolve 'windows' into the eeprom with nitric acid. replace cover. when time to decommission, use a UV lamp.	[20:52]
asciilifeform	the drive can even be sold after this, or used in 'civilian' application.	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 well yes, for one thing they're in a 1+0 raid. for the other thing it';s not like i'm letting them reach the end of wear levelling	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	higher end drives have good diags on the drive anyway.	[20:53]
kakobrekla	baj	[20:53]
kakobrekla	bah	[20:53]
kakobrekla	the problem of that video is that its not full enough	[20:53]
kakobrekla	see here	[20:53]
kakobrekla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rofgMueCOqo	[20:53]
assbot	Will It Blend? - iPhone 5 vs Galaxy S3 - YouTube	[20:53]
kakobrekla	it is DUST.	[20:53]
kakobrekla	tell me what you gonna get out of that phone	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla usable nand memories can be 1sq mm	[20:54]
kakobrekla	pour it down the drain	[20:54]
kakobrekla	spread the ashes by the sea	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	well im not actually doing this at home.	[20:55]
kakobrekla	while taking your girls for a walk	[20:55]
kakobrekla	well how do you know its done then	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	aha! ive secured 1mm of mpex drive!	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	so what, im going to ask for oceanview in my provision spec ?	[20:55]
ThickAsThieves	youre done for	[20:55]
kakobrekla	anyway blending and proper disposal of dust = win	[20:56]
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asciilifeform	other variant: you can get a 100mW diode laser for 100 usd or so. zap the dies right through the package.	[20:57]
kakobrekla	harder to get blind with a blender.	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	currently i wanna find out what the holy shit is happening tho, because this ain't normal.	[20:58]
asciilifeform	one could even set up an array of these, in sealed box, for a given type of drive	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	then they can just get incinerated.	[20:58]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: still have mains power issues ?	[20:58]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[20:58]
pankkake	Mats_cd03: modern ssds give detailed SMART data, and have far less returns than hard drives. moreover, scrubs and rebuilds of RAIDs are much faster	[20:59]
asciilifeform	nope as in 'installed guaranteed sinusoidal power source', eliminated the possibility even in theory ?	[20:59]
pankkake	hard drives used to have that premium 5 year warranty, it's gone down to 3 years, while premium ssds now offer 10 years	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nope as in nothing shows up on measurements.	[21:00]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake Mats_cd03 i was on the ssds suck technologically bandwagon for many years. the past few however it's pretty much groundless.	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	ssds matured.	[21:01]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: consider posting a firmware dump of one such drive.	[21:01]
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jborkl	mpex offline?	[21:02]
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asciilifeform	example of how to get 'shell' on a 'seagate' disk: https://sites.google.com/site/seagatefix/Home	[21:02]
assbot	Fixing a Seagate 7200.11 Hard Drive	[21:03]
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asciilifeform	(yes - you can fuck with the os of an hdd. i hope this is a 'revelation' to no one.)	[21:03]
pankkake	the only issue with a SSD is a security one. if you use full disk encryption, you have to consider that the "change key" operation might leave a copy of the old key in the spare area	[21:03]
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asciilifeform	pankkake: any disk crypt scheme where the key lives on disk is nuttery	[21:04]
asciilifeform	as if spindle drives didn't swap sectors silently	[21:04]
pankkake	I don't mean private key, I mean the metadata block. i.e. what luks does	[21:05]
pankkake	it's awfully convenient	[21:05]
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chetty	convenient tends to = risky	[21:07]
Mats_cd03	so encrypt swap with a random key?	[21:10]
pankkake	http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-6/disques-durs.html http://www.hardware.fr/articles/920-7/ssd.html (stats from biggest French retailer)	[21:10]
assbot	Disques durs - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr	[21:10]
assbot	SSD - Les taux de retour des composants (10) - HardWare.fr	[21:10]
asciilifeform	know what else is 'convenient'? surrendering.	[21:10]
asciilifeform	if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.	[21:10]
pankkake	it just means I cannot change my key securely, and have to rewrite the data. so what?	[21:11]
kakobrekla	dont be the party pooping deer.	[21:11]
chetty	if insist on convenient, just go to enemy & surrender.<<+1	[21:11]
Mats_cd03	does LUKS even default to including metadata? iirc it was plain format	[21:12]
pankkake	no, LUKS is the metadata	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	since we're on this, http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/173108-researchers-crack-the-worlds-toughest-encryption-by-listening-to-the-tiny-sounds-made-by-your-computers-cpu	[21:13]
assbot	Researchers crack the world’s toughest encryption by listening to the tiny sounds made by your computer’s CPU \| ExtremeTech	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	mostly for the pic	[21:13]
asciilifeform	old news	[21:13]
asciilifeform	dissected here ~2 months ago	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	wait, and luks isnt ?!	[21:14]
asciilifeform	!s inductors	[21:14]
assbot	9 results for 'inductors' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=inductors	[21:15]
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asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-12-2013#425691	[21:15]
assbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[21:15]
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mircea_popescu	Girls Around Me is a simple app that takes your location, and then queries Foursquare and Facebook’s location APIs to find any girls (or boys) that are geographically close. You’re then shown a map, powered by Google, with faces (pulled from Facebook profiles) pinned to it.	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	!up colinistheman	[21:19]
-assbot-	You voiced colinistheman for 30 minutes.	[21:19]
*	assbot gives voice to colinistheman	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	i can't believe THAT didn't sell for 20bn	[21:19]
asciilifeform	'girls around me' << ancient scandal. as i recall, it was censored.	[21:19]
colinistheman	Hi guys	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	"whores around me" would prolly work even better.	[21:20]
colinistheman	Thought I'd drop back in mircea	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman wb. so, mind getting in the wot so i can get bb his knife ?	[21:21]
asciilifeform	'whores around me' << if 'uber taxi', why not this.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform actually... taxi callgirl!	[21:21]
asciilifeform	aye.	[21:21]
colinistheman	What do I do exactly?	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	"send me three at 48th and 9th." " with girls or without ?" "umm bob... your gf coming ? uhh... ok, two with one without please"	[21:22]
colinistheman	I added 15 new knives today. They are at the bottom of the page when it's set to "unsorted"	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets	[21:22]
assbot	first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]	[21:22]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: just as people who never considered becoming cabbies are now whoring in 'uber', 'whores around me' would probably work the same magic in its own field.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	and, naturally, such an app could only work in btc	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	naturally.	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	i guess we gotta build our own phone.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	why does everything have to run on a pNohe ?	[21:24]
colinistheman	this series of instructions is a little overwhelming	[21:25]
colinistheman	i've never used a GPG key before	[21:25]
jurov	colinistheman you can start with btc addy	[21:26]
colinistheman	that sounds easier	[21:26]
colinistheman	you mean, instead of a key?	[21:26]
jurov	but gpg is basic education around here	[21:26]
colinistheman	I'll probably have to learn it at some point	[21:26]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[21:27]
jurov	yes btc addy has privkey and can sign things	[21:27]
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Mats_cd03	;;tslb	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	btc is like, yu know, the car. it doesn't exist out of a vacuum. if yu want to be a decen mechanic, and even to be a good driver	[21:27]
gribble	Time since last block: 8 minutes and 22 seconds ago	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	you'll have to know about things a little under the hood, like encryption	[21:27]
chetty	well at least learn to change a tire before you get behind the wheel	[21:28]
colinistheman	;;eregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS	[21:29]
gribble	Error: '1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.	[21:29]
colinistheman	oh, I thought you said I could use my public key	[21:29]
colinistheman	*bitcoin key	[21:29]
mike_c	;;bcregister	[21:30]
gribble	(bcregister ) -- Register your identity, associating bitcoin address key with . should be a standard-type bitcoin address, starting with 1. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address key, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	i wonder why this is a common mistake	[21:30]
colinistheman	;;bcregister colinistheman 1CLoPNdpVwRcTovEu1JCsuD9aQ2riXWLAS	[21:30]
gribble	Request successful for user colinistheman, hostmask colinistheman!~colinisth@unaffiliated/colinistheman. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a	[21:30]
colinistheman	it's in the instructions, but the instructions do not show the command ;;bcregister	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	http://www.propublica.org/images/ngen/gypsy_big_image/gt_fort_meade_630x420_130830.jpg << one wonders, why the fuck not just make a garage already.	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	ah i see	[21:31]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: afaik - world's largest parking lot.	[21:31]
jurov	cuz all underground levels got claimed?	[21:32]
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asciilifeform	underground parking is only built when land costs something	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform land costs a lot.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	not to usg	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i can probably identify employees by the age old "distance to gate" metric	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	it's hierarchical after al.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i can probably use the satellite pics to uncover the entire lift of employees.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: even easier. most u.s. military installations have named (!) parking spots for the brass	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, i probably already have.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	'this spot belongs to Col. Smith'	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	so yes, it costs a shitton	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	anyway, in sum, if i were co there i'd fire myself over this pic.	[21:34]
colinistheman	;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a]	[21:35]
gribble	Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a" is not a valid command.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	no []	[21:35]
colinistheman	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a	[21:35]
gribble	Error: No outstanding encryption-based request found.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	bcverify	[21:35]
colinistheman	;;bcverify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9177b607b37f4d96238bb085f90659242452a37931b87d554336aa9a	[21:35]
gribble	Error: Authentication failed. Please try again.	[21:35]
colinistheman	I am honestly confused as to what I am doing right now	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	me too. wtf that failed ?!	[21:35]
jurov	this doesn't look like btc signature	[21:35]
colinistheman	it says error	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman you gotta encrypt it	[21:36]
colinistheman	ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later	[21:36]
jurov	didn't you just publish your privkey?	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	jurov looks like the challenge string	[21:36]
asciilifeform	lol	[21:36]
colinistheman	no private key	[21:36]
jurov	ic	[21:37]
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colinistheman	ok I will have to give this more attention and try again later	[21:37]
asciilifeform	incidentally, someone (with coin to spare) should do this experiment.	[21:37]
asciilifeform	throw a 1 btc privkey somewhere, count how long until snarfed	[21:37]
colinistheman	I am wondering if this will be worth my time	[21:38]
rithm	nope.	[21:38]
colinistheman	lol	[21:38]
jurov	colinistheman: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Bitcoin_address_authentication	[21:38]
assbot	Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	colinistheman this is pretty much the only thing you could be doing that's worth your time.	[21:38]
colinistheman	It's over my head sorry. I am a busy man	[21:39]
rithm	shhhh mircea_popescu don't lie to the guy	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	you know what the vietnamese fisherman working for two rice patties a day said ?	[21:39]
rithm	nuh uh	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	that he's a busy man.	[21:40]
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colinistheman	luckily i sell knives instead of rice	[21:40]
colinistheman	higher profit margin	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	rithm hey, you were asking for it.	[21:40]
colinistheman	and automated sales coming in is great	[21:40]
fluffypony	colinistheman: pity you sell shitty knives	[21:40]
colinistheman	why the mean?	[21:40]
FabianB	$traded	[21:40]
fluffypony	no Fallkniven, no Benchmade	[21:40]
rithm	colinistheman but sderiously registering an identity is super important	[21:41]
rithm	no one will take you seriously	[21:41]
fluffypony	just the normal crap that Americans buy because they read it was good on /r/survival	[21:41]
colinistheman	http://knives4bitcoin.com/products/german_damascus_vg-10_knife,_speed_assisted_ao_large_folding_knives_pocket_g-10.php	[21:41]
assbot	Knives4Bitcoin.com - German Damascus VG-10 Knife, Speed Assisted A/O Large Folding Knives Pocket G-10	[21:41]
rithm	until you give gribble a handjob	[21:41]
colinistheman	fluffypony: That one is a nice knife	[21:41]
colinistheman	handmade 200 layers of damascus steel	[21:41]
mircea_popescu	i thought damascus steel was a lost recipe	[21:41]
fluffypony	colinistheman: anything with Damascus steel is fun, but that doesn't mean it has a movement that will withstand abuse	[21:42]
colinistheman	I have a limited number of them.	[21:42]
rithm	oh so spam is the game	[21:42]
rithm	i see now	[21:42]
colinistheman	any steel can be abused. obviously you have to know how to take care of your knife.	[21:42]
colinistheman	such as oiling it	[21:42]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yes - the original method is no longer known, but the modern equivalent is still pretty awesome in terms of how it keeps its edge	[21:42]
colinistheman	it's also made with high carbon steel so it holds the edge better for that reason as well	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	isn't high carbon bad ?	[21:43]
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mircea_popescu	as in, pig iron ?	[21:43]
colinistheman	1095hc is a good steel. you have to keep it oiled tho	[21:44]
colinistheman	holds an edge better than 440 stainless	[21:44]
rithm	but rusts	[21:44]
colinistheman	yes, as does all high carbon steel	[21:44]
colinistheman	that's the trade off	[21:44]
colinistheman	but oiling it after use keeps it good	[21:44]
colinistheman	liek i said yhou have to know how to care for it	[21:44]
rithm	what about leaving fresh blood on the blade?	[21:45]
rithm	is that a lubricant or oxidizing agent?	[21:45]
colinistheman	lol	[21:45]
colinistheman	oxidizing	[21:45]
rithm	i wasn't sure thanks!	[21:45]
colinistheman	ok :)	[21:45]
Mats_cd03	lol	[21:45]
colinistheman	yeah, blood, guts, water, all bad for knives	[21:45]
colinistheman	but its ok to use them as long as you clean them up	[21:45]
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mircea_popescu	josh's blood is prolly a derperizing agent.	[21:46]
rithm	stop joshing around	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[21:47]
fluffypony	heh	[21:47]
mircea_popescu	http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/speculative-attack/ << check out what our friend came up with	[21:48]
assbot	Speculative Attack \| Satoshi Nakamoto Institute	[21:48]
*	CryptOprah-ZzZzZ is now known as CryptOprah	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	a new name for gresham's law.	[21:48]
mircea_popescu	!up CryptOprah	[21:48]
-assbot-	You voiced CryptOprah for 30 minutes.	[21:48]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, this part's goo :	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	Second, they misunderstand how strong currencies like bitcoin overtake weak currencies like the dollar: it is through speculative attacks and currency crises caused by investors, not through the careful evaluation of tech journalists and 'mainstream consumers'.	[21:49]
colinistheman	if I feel adventurous in setting up all this stuff later I'll be back. g'day!	[21:50]
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rithm	ya''l scared him away	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	i like how people keep pretending like they got an option and whatnot.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	nothing quite like the illusion of immediate control.	[21:51]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, all our friend needs to do now is look up to see who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar and he'll be like i dunno... five steps ahead of the crowd ?	[21:55]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: who's doing the speculative attacks against the dollar << 'a dead lion can be kicked even by a donkey'	[21:57]
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mircea_popescu	how about a desperate, moribund lion ?	[21:58]
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asciilifeform	that one will slam into walls often. less work for donkey.	[21:58]
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punkman	http://www.theverge.com/2014/7/9/5883651/texas-lawyer-sues-tor-for-providing-tools-used-by-revenge-porn-site	[22:00]
assbot	Texas lawyer sues Tor for providing tools used by revenge porn site \| The Verge	[22:00]
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mircea_popescu	lol "sues tor"	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	ima fall over myself laughing if the us navy ends up paying this guy	[22:02]
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asciilifeform	lawyers can also have problems.	[22:03]
punkman	hilarious lawyer: https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/233081133?access_key=key-WFujAqEI3BioFxNO43R3	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	he's suing an actual party it seems	[22:04]
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punkman	https://twitter.com/MeanTXLawyer/status/459698519771582464	[22:10]
assbot	So many places I wish I could be now. Buddy's bachelor party. NRA annual meeting. AmRen conference. But alas, low on funds :(	[22:10]
mircea_popescu	don't worry assbot. you're here with us and that's ass that matters.	[22:11]
punkman	http://revengepornwar.blogspot.com/ another genius here	[22:13]
assbot	Dispatches from the Revenge Pornography War	[22:13]
benkay	i wonder why this is a common mistake // it turns out that making interfaces that normal humans find intuitive is actually hard.	[22:13]
mircea_popescu	in this case the problem seems to be that ;;bc stuff is never mentioned explicitly.	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	was about to bitch about it, but then i realised there's wisdom in moiety's terseness.	[22:14]
benkay	interface is education	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	let the lazy have extra chances to self humiliation, it's a good selection exercise.	[22:14]
benkay	and seriously - use gpg.	[22:14]
benkay	it's not like your .gnupg dir will expire, unlike your wallet backups.	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	punkman the notion that anyone still cares...	[22:15]
mircea_popescu	benkay but some are busy people.	[22:15]
benkay	160 hours a week in the paddy	[22:16]
chetty	something very wrong when you are too busy to stretch your mind	[22:16]
rithm	http://hyperledger.com/faqs.html#hackednode	[22:17]
rithm	oooh hyper-ledger	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	"If a node gets hacked there are only a few ways it can impact the system, but it can’t force good nodes to accept forged transfers. Generally, individual bad nodes will quickly be automatically identified and expelled from the consensus pool."	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	that made a lot of sense.	[22:17]
rithm	dude it's cooler than bitcoin it's hyper	[22:18]
rithm	and it's a ledger	[22:18]
rithm	no 51%!!!!!	[22:18]
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mircea_popescu	"Bobynin's voice rang like metal on metal. 'I can see the difference between you and me: you need me, but I don't need you.'"	[22:19]
rithm	What if there are two ledgers with the same name in different pools?	[22:19]
rithm	This is an open question up for discussion	[22:19]
rithm	lololol	[22:19]
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mircea_popescu	hahah	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	better reg that name.	[22:20]
rithm	hyperbank	[22:21]
rithm	hypercash	[22:21]
rithm	hyperdollars	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	begging for hyperherp	[22:22]
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rithm	discuss: https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/486926129409052672	[22:22]
assbot	I can no longer have even the smallest association with the Bitcoin Foundation, because of the complete lack of transparency	[22:22]
fluffypony	hah	[22:23]
fluffypony	it took him this long to realise that?	[22:23]
Mats_cd03	so brave	[22:23]
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mircea_popescu	you see what a good killing does to people ?	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	can he stil have association with neobee ? anyone asked him yet ?	[22:24]
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rithm	can i ask for a refund for my bitcoin foundation donation	[22:25]
rithm	i'd like to take that back	[22:25]
rithm	i'm an enabler	[22:26]
kakobrekla	donation implies onewaynesses	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	rithm lots of dumb things you can't take back. way the world goes.	[22:26]
rithm	superman did it that one time	[22:27]
benkay	that entropic gradient...	[22:27]
mircea_popescu	did he spin on a dildo really fast ?	[22:28]
asciilifeform	'You ever drop an egg and on the floor you see it break? / You go and get a mop so you can clean up your mistake. / But did you ever stop to ponder why we know it's true, / if you drop a broken egg you will not get an egg that's new. / That's entropy...'	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	also known in romanian as "copilu' minune minca gem si caca prune"	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	ie, the wunderkid, eatin' jam an' shittin' prunes.	[22:30]
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nubbins`	heh	[22:36]
nubbins`	drinking wine and pissing grape juice	[22:36]
HyperChetty	http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Rocket-alert-sirens-sound-in-Zichron-Yaakov-120-km-north-of-Gaza-362087	[22:37]
assbot	Hamas: We attempted to hit the nuclear reactor in Dimona \| JPost \| Israel News	[22:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0372999 = 0.5968 BTC [+]	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what these people think hitting a nuclear plant will do.	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	i mean unless they've got actual bunker busters they're no treaching the core. so...	[22:38]
asciilifeform	see french example	[22:38]
asciilifeform	(answer: nothing)	[22:38]
asciilifeform	http://www.nytimes.com/1982/01/20/world/antitank-rockets-are-fired-at-french-nuclear-reactor.html	[22:39]
assbot	ANTITANK ROCKETS ARE FIRED AT FRENCH NUCLEAR REACTOR - NYTimes.com	[22:39]
asciilifeform	still a headache for the folks who have to walk around with clipboard, check off what needs new paint job	[22:40]
nubbins`	more of a make-work project than an attack	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[22:40]
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fluffypony	;;later tell darlidada everything seems to be working 100%, need your email address to create the user account for you - let me know	[22:43]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:43]
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nubbins`	;;gettrust assbot cazalla	[22:43]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask cazalla!cazalla@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe73:590b. Trust relationship from user assbot to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=cazalla \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla \| Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014	[22:43]
Mats_cd03	iron dome paying dividends; thanks uncle sam	[22:44]
nubbins`	so i printed some nice big 18x24" posters today	[22:45]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/GGg3JC2	[22:45]
assbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[22:45]
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mircea_popescu	who's jess smith	[22:45]
nubbins`	one third of Pink Eye :D	[22:46]
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Mats_cd03	im sure hamas'd have better luck pointing rockets at power stations	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	how anti-french of you three.	[22:46]
Mats_cd03	whoevers running the show, sucks	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	Mats_cd03 o bviously they're going for pr.	[22:46]
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nubbins`	http://theovercast.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/PinkEye.jpg	[22:46]
nubbins`	almost looks like we know what we're doing	[22:47]
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mircea_popescu	woa dude you look old. i always saw you as this peter pan sorta 22 yo	[22:48]
nubbins`	lel	[22:48]
nubbins`	nah, old man	[22:48]
nubbins`	in fact, that french rocket attack article was published 10 days before i was born ;o	[22:49]
asciilifeform	'In France protesters fired an RPG-7 grenade-launcher at the reactor of a nuclear power station. Where they got the Soviet-made weapon I do not know. Perhaps it was just lying there at the roadside. But if it was a spetsnaz officer who had the good fortune to meet those people and provide them with their hardware, he would without further ado have been given a Red Banner medal and promotion. The senior officers	[22:51]
asciilifeform	of the GRU have a particular dislike of Western nuclear power stations, which reduce the West's dependence on imported oil (including Soviet oil) and make it stronger and more independent. They are one of spetsnaz's, most important targets.'	[22:51]
asciilifeform	(suvorov, 'spetsnaz.' http://militera.lib.ru/research/suvorov6/index.html)	[22:51]
assbot	--	[22:51]
nubbins`	interesting	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	d'oh.	[22:53]
nubbins`	alf, i bet you've got quite the collection of books in your study	[22:53]
asciilifeform	who doesn;t	[22:53]
nubbins`	many	[22:53]
Mats_cd03	related, http://blogs.wsj.com/corporate-intelligence/2014/02/05/qa-what-you-need-to-know-about-attacks-on-the-u-s-power-grid/	[22:53]
assbot	Q&A: What You Need to Know About Attacks on the U.S. Power Grid - Corporate Intelligence - WSJ	[22:53]
asciilifeform	'what you need to know' - 'nothing.' (usg)	[22:54]
nubbins`	"We need to make books cool again. If you go home with somebody and they don't have books, don't fuck them." -John Waters	[22:54]
Mats_cd03	tl;dr cooling room filled with bullets, station subsequently fails to cool, suspects utilize AKs and cover of darkness to circumvent shit security	[22:54]
asciilifeform	phun phact re: substations. the transformers are quite expensive, not many are manufactured.	[22:55]
nubbins`	right, isn't this the reason a solar flare or w/e could fuck us all royally?	[22:56]
asciilifeform	copper thieves have destroyed considerably more mains transformers in usa than saboteurs with kalash, but the news blackout regarding these is nearly total.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i much prefer clueless-ignorant women to misguided-ignorant women.	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	someone with no books i'd fuck. someone with a shitton of "social studies" and assorted crap published the past century i definitely wouldn't	[22:57]
mircea_popescu	but i'd count it as a major personal failure if i somehow ended up going home with them in the first place.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform not newsworthy.	[22:58]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://news360.com/article/247244651	[22:59]
assbot	GMO Mosquito Trial Has Reverse Effect, Causes Dengue Emergency	[22:59]
nubbins`	friend of mine had dengue, no fun	[23:02]
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benkay	we were noodling on the homegrown EMP this morning.	[23:20]
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