Forum logs for 09 Jan 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [09:55]
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* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013 [09:55]
KRS1 pong [09:55]
KRS1 so do you all think ghash.io is going to harm the network [09:56]
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truffles howdy krs1 [09:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5301 @ 0.00084124 = 4.4594 BTC [+] [10:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12299 @ 0.00084054 = 10.3378 BTC [-] [10:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32210 @ 0.00084164 = 27.1092 BTC [+] {2} [10:28]
KRS1 how'dy [10:28]
KRS1 i've been expecting a drop, not this rise =/ [10:28]
KRS1 where'd i go wrong in my analysis [10:29]
truffles coinye brought it up with the swag [10:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46079996 = 2.304 BTC [+] {4} [10:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46929999 = 4.693 BTC [+] {4} [10:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23250 @ 0.00084175 = 19.5707 BTC [+] {2} [10:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00084077 = 13.3682 BTC [-] [10:47]
mircea_popescu bitbet is hysterical, all these volunteer armchair pilots for it. [10:48]
mircea_popescu i am starting to suspect the main reason rich people become assholes is that they eventually get sick of all the poor people who refuse to see the difference. [10:49]
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mircea_popescu .d [10:52]
ozbot 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 767 blocks | Estimated Change: 18.3651% in 4d 8h 17m 7s [10:52]
truffles so ure not saying ure not a complete asshole but on the cusp? [10:55]
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mircea_popescu im a fonz, what are you on about. [10:57]
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truffles fonz is cool though [10:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 54 @ 0.49509632 = 26.7352 BTC [+] {20} [10:57]
mircea_popescu i have no idea what it is, outside of a pulp fiction reference. [11:01]
Duffer1 happy days [11:01]
mircea_popescu so indeed they'd be cool. [11:01]
mircea_popescu ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPPN_gkj_gk ) [11:01]
truffles omg he's never seen it [11:02]
truffles omg [11:02]
truffles well its not that great of a show [11:03]
truffles just watch a few eps [11:03]
Duffer1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4ZGKI8vpcg [11:03]
ozbot Fonzie Jumps the Shark on Happy Days (Episode 5.3) 1977 - YouTube [11:03]
mircea_popescu ol wait, this is the original "jump the shark" show huh ? [11:03]
Duffer1 yep [11:03]
mircea_popescu i take it back, i've nothing to do with that toothy derp. [11:03]
truffles lol [11:04]
mircea_popescu sammy lee you've lied to me! [11:04]
truffles thats just 1 clip [11:04]
truffles he made the jump, whats the derp about [11:05]
truffles so suave [11:06]
truffles http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHWXAJhmvyU [11:08]
ozbot Mork Meets The Fonz - YouTube [11:08]
truffles robin williams! [11:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6455 @ 0.00084077 = 5.4272 BTC [-] [11:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7745 @ 0.00084054 = 6.51 BTC [-] [11:09]
truffles blog topic im interested in, are smart people in general more selfish [11:12]
truffles obv u can include stuff about asses and holes [11:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9931 @ 0.00084028 = 8.3448 BTC [-] {2} [11:19]
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deanclkclk anyone here who's a money manager? I want to ask something about fractional reserve banking [11:20]
deanclkclk or anyone here who understand franctional reserve banking [11:20]
mircea_popescu go ahead [11:22]
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deanclkclk well just looking at a t account..how can fractional reserve banking be inflationary [11:28]
mircea_popescu you'll have to phrase that question better [11:29]
deanclkclk what is loan out (asset to the bank) is always equal to it's liability (deposit)? [11:29]
mircea_popescu what's your definition of "inflationary" ? [11:30]
deanclkclk if the depositor withdraws money ..it comes from the bank reserves [11:30]
deanclkclk inflationary..rising prices [11:30]
mircea_popescu that'd be rising prices. traditionally inflation is defined as that state where the monetary mass increases. [11:31]
mircea_popescu if in 2010 the total volume of payment insturments is 5, and in 2011 it's 6, then you've had a 20% inflation. [11:31]
deanclkclk but, let me ask u this [11:33]
deanclkclk in an investment bank...one which the depositor can't withdraw from his account because, he knows the bank doesn't have it (it's loan out)..that's isn't inflationary [11:33]
deanclkclk but, it is said in a fractional reserve bank...the depositor still has access to his deposit even though it's loan out [11:34]
deanclkclk that doesn't make any sense [11:34]
deanclkclk because if deposit is 9 == loan 8 + reserve 1 [11:34]
mircea_popescu well, you've constructed it so it doesn't make any sense. take a better example : say i run a whorehouse and you bring me your wife. then one day you want to have sex. just because i've sent her to work the streets of mexico doesn't mean you can't have sex, [11:34]
mircea_popescu i'll just hook you up with some other dude's wife. [11:35]
mircea_popescu am i running fractional reserve whorehouse ? no. do you still get to have sex, even if your own wife is out ? sure. [11:35]
deanclkclk if the depositor withdraws from his account ...how would that show on the T account? [11:35]
deanclkclk says all his 9 dollars [11:35]
mircea_popescu ib just takes a liquidity loan. [11:35]
deanclkclk huh? [11:36]
mircea_popescu myeah. best i can tell, you've painted yourself in a corner trying to understand this and now nothing makes sense. [11:37]
deanclkclk I understand your whorehouse analogy [11:37]
mircea_popescu time to re-examine your priors. [11:37]
deanclkclk well if someone can show me how that would reflect on a T account..it would make a whole lotta sense [11:37]
mircea_popescu okay, fair enough. [11:38]
deanclkclk I'm just wondering how that would show [11:38]
mircea_popescu central bank creates 10 bucks. pushes 2 each to 5 commercial banks. the banks loan out 50 bucks each, on the grounds that they are required by cb to keep 10% in reserves. [11:38]
deanclkclk banks == liability (deposit $10) and assets (loan $9 & reserve $1) [11:38]
deanclkclk that balances [11:38]
mircea_popescu now, the monetary mass at the cb level is 100, and the monetary mass at the cb level is 500 [11:39]
mircea_popescu that's a 400% inflation. [11:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00084234 = 1.811 BTC [+] {2} [11:39]
mircea_popescu meh i cocked the math up. lemme redo. [11:39]
deanclkclk yeah but, just listen [11:39]
deanclkclk listen [11:39]
mircea_popescu kay. [11:39]
deanclkclk just an simple example [11:39]
deanclkclk in this illustration [11:39]
deanclkclk banks == liability (deposit $10) and assets (loan $9 & reserve $1) [11:39]
deanclkclk that's their T account right [11:40]
deanclkclk the loan out $9 [11:40]
mircea_popescu you don't get to use the assets in there. [11:40]
deanclkclk so what if..the depositor wants to withdraw his 10 dollars [11:40]
mircea_popescu their liability is 10 and the assets 1. [11:40]
deanclkclk how would that show on the banks T account? [11:40]
deanclkclk yeah the 1 dollar is their current asset [11:41]
deanclkclk I get that [11:41]
mircea_popescu this is a purely accounting q, but : [11:41]
mircea_popescu step 1 : deposit 10, loan 9, reserve 1. [11:41]
mircea_popescu step 2 : withraw the 10 : deposit 0, loan 9, reserve 1, owed 10 to liquidity provider [11:41]
mircea_popescu this bank now owes the 10 it owed before, except not to its original depositor. [11:42]
mircea_popescu nothing much changed. [11:42]
mircea_popescu note that accounting generally is just a convention, and it may be uniquely adequate or uniquely inadequate to resolve any factual problems. in some formulations inflation is opaque to accounting, in some others quite transparent. this doesn't make inflation go away, even if it's very tempting for all governments historically to pretend so. [11:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7392 @ 0.00084236 = 6.2267 BTC [+] [11:45]
deanclkclk ok [11:48]
deanclkclk hmmm [11:48]
deanclkclk yes I know mircea_popescu but, I'm just wondering how would that show on the account [11:50]
deanclkclk but, with a deposit being 0...wouldn't that cause the T account to not be balanced? [11:50]
deanclkclk liabilties are greater than an asset [11:51]
mircea_popescu nope. you still owe 10, but not to depositors anymore, to liquidity provider instead. [11:51]
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mircea_popescu just as balanced as it was. [11:51]
mircea_popescu it goes from liabilities 10 (depositors) to liabilities 10 (government) or w/e [11:52]
deanclkclk ohh so the liquidity provider funds the 10 dollars to pay back the depositor? [11:55]
mircea_popescu well yes [11:55]
deanclkclk liquidity provider in this case will be the central bank [11:55]
mircea_popescu someone will have to, as the 9 loaned out are loaned on terms and can't (in this example we use) be recalled. [11:56]
mircea_popescu in practice obviously some mix will be implemented. [11:56]
mircea_popescu it isn't the central bank in a functioning economy [11:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11550 @ 0.00084219 = 9.7273 BTC [-] [11:56]
mircea_popescu this is why the libor originally existed : so banks can liquidify each other [11:56]
mircea_popescu the interest they settled on becoming the "fair" interest for everyone, smaller players [11:56]
deanclkclk ohh ok [11:57]
mircea_popescu if it is the central bank you have by any sensible definition a central command economy like the soviets, and even discussing "banks" is just a masquerade [11:57]
deanclkclk ok [11:58]
deanclkclk but, if the banks are funding themselves..would that not increase the total stock of money? [11:59]
mircea_popescu well, how ? [12:00]
deanclkclk because, if bank A give to Bank B...bank A is decreasing it's money stock and giving it to Bank B [12:00]
mircea_popescu so... [12:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17311 @ 0.00083963 = 14.5348 BTC [-] {2} [12:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16500 @ 0.00083961 = 13.8536 BTC [-] [12:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 370 @ 0.001 = 0.37 BTC [+] [12:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3213 @ 0.00083961 = 2.6977 BTC [-] [12:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4316 @ 0.00083468 = 3.6025 BTC [-] [12:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22133 @ 0.0008367 = 18.5187 BTC [+] [12:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31799 @ 0.00083456 = 26.5382 BTC [-] {2} [13:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56888 @ 0.00083424 = 47.4582 BTC [-] {2} [13:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+] [13:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 24 @ 0.02520706 = 0.605 BTC [-] {3} [13:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46010011 BTC [-] [13:09]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 1000 @ 0.001 = 1 BTC [+] [13:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1712 @ 0.00083386 = 1.4276 BTC [-] [13:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25188 @ 0.0008331 = 20.9841 BTC [-] {2} [13:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.04999999 = 5 BTC [+] [13:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7259 @ 0.00083687 = 6.0748 BTC [+] {2} [13:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 156 @ 0.0046 = 0.7176 BTC [+] {2} [14:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11950 @ 0.00083899 = 10.0259 BTC [+] {2} [14:45]
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kleeck0 So, I'm confused. Should I stop mining on ghash.io? [15:55]
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Duffer1 yep [15:56]
kleeck0 lol [15:56]
kleeck0 Joking, joking. [15:56]
Duffer1 oh hehe [15:56]
kleeck0 Reddit is ablaze with STOP DAT GHASH! [15:56]
Duffer1 good [15:57]
Duffer1 reddit has it's uses [15:57]
taub_ some hard movement on gox [15:57]
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mircea_popescu what's the problem with ghash ? [16:00]
Duffer1 too many of the gigahashes [16:00]
mircea_popescu o [16:00]
mircea_popescu i guess this explains why elegius actually found a coupla blocks today [16:01]
mircea_popescu hasn't been seen since... spring ? [16:01]
Duffer1 42+% of the network + attempted double spends on gambling sites [16:01]
mircea_popescu o seriously ? which ? [16:02]
mircea_popescu seems improbable [16:02]
Duffer1 let me find the link [16:02]
Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.0 [16:03]
ozbot GHash.IO and double-spending against BetCoin Dice [16:03]
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mircea_popescu but that's... october ?! [16:03]
mircea_popescu Like a month ago, in September I witnessed a lot of double-spending against BetCoin Dice. I [16:03]
mircea_popescu herp. ghash has likely 0 to do with it. [16:03]
Duffer1 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327767.100 [16:04]
mircea_popescu clueless dice site clone guy can't read/doesn't understand what's going on [16:04]
mircea_popescu wasn't btc guild 49% back in march ? [16:04]
mircea_popescu before their pliant attitude to the -dev chan pretty much cost them their business ? [16:04]
Duffer1 i think they got close ya [16:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14791 @ 0.00084011 = 12.4261 BTC [+] [16:14]
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KRS1 i think they did something about it..ghash.io isnt maybe [16:29]
mircea_popescu in principle no pool should be over 40% [16:30]
mircea_popescu course reddit is about as likely to change weather patterns as it is likely to have any impact on this matter, but naywya. [16:30]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11095 @ 0.00083988 = 9.3185 BTC [-] {2} [16:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 140 @ 0.0046 = 0.644 BTC [+] [16:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00083945 = 11.2486 BTC [-] {2} [16:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00083897 = 3.6495 BTC [-] [16:55]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 556 @ 0.001 = 0.556 BTC [+] [16:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 4 @ 0.02559 = 0.1024 BTC [+] [17:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15100 @ 0.00083901 = 12.6691 BTC [+] {2} [17:30]
Duffer1 http://www.coindesk.com/worlds-first-insured-bitcoin-storage-service-launches-uk/ [17:33]
Duffer1 Lloyds of London [17:33]
Duffer1 <---called it [17:33]
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asciilifeform microscope hammer. [17:34]
KRS1 why is not my cardano insured? INFIDELS [17:35]
mike_c whoa, they use "deep cold storage". that sounds better. [17:37]
mike_c biz idea: "super-deep frozen storage". [17:38]
Troic_ the policy sucks, claims calculated in BTC; if rate has gone down, but GBP at insure date if rate has gone up. [17:38]
Troic_ 2% of total cover, in GBP [17:39]
Duffer1 you pay more to insure at x value of fiat [17:39]
Duffer1 dunno what their policy is if/when it goes below that.. [17:40]
Duffer1 er nm i suppose that wouldn't matter for theft insurance [17:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10045 @ 0.00083989 = 8.4367 BTC [+] {2} [17:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3955 @ 0.00083882 = 3.3175 BTC [-] [17:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00084168 = 18.3065 BTC [+] [17:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2350 @ 0.00084219 = 1.9791 BTC [+] [17:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 4000 @ 0.001 = 4 BTC [+] [18:05]
KRS1 is it better to have deep or cold storage [18:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.46200116 = 0.924 BTC [+] {2} [18:06]
KRS1 like..if I have a wallet, I need it to be deep for fat stacks, but if its cold I can't exactly whip it out [18:06]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16546 @ 0.00084232 = 13.937 BTC [+] {2} [18:16]
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mike_c that's a big problem with bitcoin. you can't roll up a fat stack with a rubber band and slap them on the table. [18:29]
Duffer1 paper wallets, 1 satoshi each [18:30]
Duffer1 biggest stack of $$ you've ever seen [18:30]
asciilifeform there's a serious problem with the horseless carriage - you can't whip its arse to make it go faster. [18:30]
mike_c totally agreed! that's why horse races are more exciting than nascar. [18:31]
Duffer1 watching water boil is more exciting than nascar [18:31]
pankkake and why ponygirl races are more exciting than horse races [18:32]
asciilifeform now if only horses could catch fire and engulf the audience in an inferno. [18:32]
Duffer1 i'd watch that [18:32]
mike_c well, they do trip occasionally and then got shot right out on the track. [18:32]
mike_c *get [18:32]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.4620505 = 0.9241 BTC [+] {2} [18:37]
mircea_popescu fun fact : the us has been quietly returning gold to germany [18:39]
mircea_popescu except... well... it doesn't have the stamps [18:39]
mircea_popescu "it had to be melted for transport" says the official story. [18:39]
pankkake filled with tungsten? [18:40]
mircea_popescu i doubt that. [18:40]
pankkake yeah they will check [18:41]
Duffer1 is this news significant? [18:41]
mircea_popescu Duffer1 well... depends how much you've been following the precious metal wranglings [18:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2100 @ 0.00084227 = 1.7688 BTC [-] [18:42]
Duffer1 ah ya i haven't followed metals at all [18:42]
mike_c not having the stamps is interesting. yet another confirmation that the fed plays games with other countries deposits. [18:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18550 @ 0.00084134 = 15.6069 BTC [-] {2} [18:43]
mircea_popescu mike_c course there's not really enough gold on deposit to be doing it [18:43]
mircea_popescu so unless china graciously decided to lend... or else maybe russia ? [18:43]
mircea_popescu or japan. india isn't, and there just aren't that many folks with gold [18:43]
mike_c no way china would lend us gold [18:44]
mircea_popescu seeing how it's worthless and not particularly important in modern finance etc. [18:44]
mircea_popescu why not ? it's lending everything else... [18:44]
mike_c that's why. gold is the only thing it hoards. [18:44]
mike_c at least until it starts hoarding btc [18:44]
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mircea_popescu nope [18:44]
mircea_popescu ip is the only thing it hoards. [18:44]
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mircea_popescu and as the inept leadership oif the us has been giving them absolutely all the techs in the most incredible transfer of wealth/spoliage in human history, [18:45]
Duffer1 but dat labor so cheap [18:45]
mike_c it collects ip. hoarding would indicate it is creating ip and not sharing. [18:45]
mircea_popescu i can't imagine why they'd care about lending a little gold so various us idiots can save a little face. [18:45]
mircea_popescu o, it's not sharing. [18:45]
mircea_popescu you don't get to see what it develops on top of what it loots from us corps. [18:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00084246 = 22.9149 BTC [+] {2} [18:46]
mike_c invisible ip? what are they doing that is so cool? [18:46]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 20719 @ 0.001 = 20.719 BTC [+] [18:47]
mike_c they can keep the cheap kewpie doll ip. [18:47]
mircea_popescu they're putting a guy on the moon. [18:47]
mircea_popescu anyway, THEIR nsa isn't being riddled with fuckwith trannies that turncoat, so you don';t really know what they are doing. [18:48]
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kakobrekla http://dangerousminds.net/comments/humble_chinese_billionaire_has_designed_the_perfect_template_for_your_next [18:49]
ozbot Dangerous Minds [18:49]
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asciilifeform considering the inclination of usg to run things at a loss (so long as said loss can be pawned off on some chump), [18:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00299668 = 0.2937 BTC [+] [18:50]
asciilifeform perhaps the gold was 'borrowed' from a neutron bombardment reactor at sandia or somesuch. [18:50]
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mircea_popescu in these qtys ? [18:52]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla omfg, rpietilla is chinese [18:52]
kakobrekla lol [18:52]
KRS1 thought he was espanish [18:52]
kakobrekla enorwegian afaik [18:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 55 @ 0.00299668 = 0.1648 BTC [+] [18:53]
mircea_popescu he's eweirdo, wherever those are [18:53]
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mircea_popescu rhutenia or latvia or somesuch. kaspiar. [18:53]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla anyway, that's kind-of culture shock. the chinese do that sort of thing in chinese all the time. very self-stroking culture, it's not quite as wow as in european terms [18:54]
kakobrekla myea [18:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 150 @ 0.00464999 = 0.6975 BTC [+] {4} [19:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00465 = 0.2837 BTC [+] {2} [19:12]
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benkay` ;;gettrust benkay [19:17]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay` to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay`&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013 [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.462011 BTC [-] [19:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+] [19:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00298191 = 2.9819 BTC [-] {10} [19:23]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.10035833 = 1.2043 BTC [-] {6} [19:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 7 @ 0.02559 = 0.1791 BTC [+] [19:43]
deadweasel These nice new cheap samsung monitors are less appealing now [19:46]
deadweasel http://phunukieuviet.vn/phap-luat/cong-nhan-dung-do-voi-bao-ve-samsung-thai-nguyen-8-nguoi-chet.html [19:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26750 @ 0.00083876 = 22.4368 BTC [-] [19:47]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 625 @ 0.000475 = 0.2969 BTC [+] [19:49]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0008391 = 10.1112 BTC [+] {2} [19:59]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 15266 @ 0.005 = 76.33 BTC {4} [20:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46500 @ 0.00083925 = 39.0251 BTC [+] [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC {2} [20:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 100 @ 0.005 = 0.5 BTC [20:03]
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Duffer1 100,000 units of mintspare now up for sale on havelock [20:12]
PLambert Oh look, MS is now available on Havelock. Who is excited to lose their money? [20:12]
PLambert bah, you beat me by a second :( [20:12]
Duffer1 ha man i tried to warn them in that thread, hopefully that 160 is all they sell [20:13]
PLambert what, people are actaully buying that shit? [20:13]
Duffer1 havelock trying to fake volume [20:13]
PLambert maybe it is the operator trying to make themself look more presentable [20:13]
PLambert bah, you beat me by a second again :( [20:14]
Duffer1 hehe [20:14]
Duffer1 no i expect they'll sell out because... history like repeating itself [20:14]
topace there's no faking volume [20:15]
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PLambert they are asking for way too much money and giving way too little in return, and their business model is easily copied [20:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.00048 = 0.24 BTC [+] [20:15]
PLambert volume is easy to fake [20:15]
Duffer1 and the original could jsut start accepting bitcoins themselves and kill off all competition QUITE easily [20:16]
PLambert just need a couple bitcoins, send to stooge's account, buy shares, repeat [20:16]
PLambert what is the original? [20:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4380 @ 0.00083926 = 3.676 BTC [+] {2} [20:16]
topace real shares being bought with real bitcoins != fake volume [20:16]
PLambert can you tell the difference between real and fake? [20:17]
jborkl wait, so they buy old cellphones for bitcoins [20:17]
jborkl uggh [20:17]
PLambert jborkl, yeah and "fix them and resell" [20:17]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 4000 @ 0.005 = 20 BTC [20:17]
PLambert see, there is some fake volume? [20:17]
Duffer1 R.I.P. 20 btc, you will be missed [20:18]
topace PLambert: why do you think thats "fake" ? [20:18]
jborkl so, when the exchange rate rapes them - they are out of business [20:18]
PLambert who has 20 btc and is dumb enough to fall for this? [20:18]
topace real bitcoins used to buy real shares [20:18]
topace im watching the server right now [20:18]
topace and i wrote the damn platform [20:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [20:18]
topace there's no way to "fake" trades [20:18]
PLambert I am not saying they are fake trades, just that they are insider trades [20:19]
topace "[13:16:11] see, there is some fake volume?" [20:19]
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jborkl topace, do you know how they plan to resell? are they shipping them overseas to Africa or selling them for BTC again? [20:20]
PLambert topace, I am not saying that the trade is not hapenning, just guessing that it is an insider [20:21]
mike_c selling them on ebay [20:21]
Duffer1 i believe 'volume' is being used here to mean: "puppet accounts using btc to provide the illusion of demand" [20:21]
topace jborkl: im not involved with the actual listings anymore [20:21]
mike_c for lolz: [20:21]
mike_c https://www.havelockinvestments.com/reportdownload.php?id=54 [20:21]
PLambert duffer1: right, puppet is a good word for what I meant [20:21]
Duffer1 topace i'm not saying that is what's happening, i have no idea, that's just my overly cynical ravings talking [20:24]
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Duffer1 meanwhile at ActM https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=297503.msg4399315#msg4399315 [20:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 50 @ 0.005 = 0.25 BTC [20:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.49799993 = 2.988 BTC [+] {3} [20:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0044332 = 0.2039 BTC [-] {2} [20:58]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04999999 = 0.25 BTC [+] [21:01]
ThickAsThieves https://help.overstock.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5794/c/4 [21:04]
ozbot Bitcoin [21:04]
ThickAsThieves http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1utcz6/bitcoin_payments_are_now_live_on_overstockcom/ [21:04]
ozbot Bitcoin payments are now live on Overstock.com : Bitcoin [21:04]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [COG.F2] 1 @ 0.575 BTC [+] [21:05]
ThickAsThieves partnered with coinbase on it [21:05]
Duffer1 wow that got that done a lot faster than i thought they would [21:05]
ThickAsThieves they were waiting for a dip to buy in first [21:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5496 @ 0.00083958 = 4.6143 BTC [+] [21:08]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 22 @ 0.005 = 0.11 BTC [21:09]
ThickAsThieves IPO! [21:09]
TomServo Anyone ever used cashintocoins.com? [21:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 60 @ 0.005 = 0.3 BTC [21:11]
ThickAsThieves http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2014/01/stampact/?cid=16778634 [21:18]
ozbot Could a Civil War-Era Law Stamp Out Bitcoin? | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com [21:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 228 @ 0.005 = 1.14 BTC [21:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00084197 = 10.4825 BTC [+] {2} [21:18]
ThickAsThieves "This 152-year-old law forbids any American from issuing a check, note, or token that’s worth less than $1" [21:18]
ThickAsThieves guess we need satoshi dollar parity [21:18]
Duffer1 lul :/ [21:19]
ThickAsThieves to the bitmobile! [21:19]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 240 @ 0.005 = 1.2 BTC [21:20]
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mircea_popescu this 226 year old constitution forbids any law from forbiding stupid shit [21:22]
mircea_popescu so problem solved [21:22]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 500 @ 0.001 = 0.5 BTC [+] [21:22]
mircea_popescu .d [21:24]
ozbot 1418481395.26264 | Next Diff in 680 blocks | Estimated Change: 19.6216% in 3d 18h 45m 1s [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10750 @ 0.00084161 = 9.0473 BTC [-] [21:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00084161 = 7.9111 BTC [-] [21:26]
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KRS1 I used cashintocoins.com a few times- very good service. [21:33]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.04999999 = 1.5 BTC [+] [21:51]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02559 = 0.128 BTC [+] [21:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16550 @ 0.00084252 = 13.9437 BTC [+] [21:54]
mike_c sure [21:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [MS] 29 @ 0.005 = 0.145 BTC [21:55]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+] [22:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13237 @ 0.00084253 = 11.1526 BTC [+] {2} [22:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3136 @ 0.00009449 = 0.2963 BTC [-] [22:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00083876 = 1.8453 BTC [-] [22:52]
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mike_c is mpex taking wire transfers now? blockchain isn't showing any deposits since november. [22:56]
mike_c quiet month i guess [22:57]
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benkay` http://devopsreactions.tumblr.com/post/72428827671/another-massive-flawless-patching-noone-shares-the [23:43]
ozbot Another massive flawless patching. Noone shares the excitement. - DevOps Reactions [23:43]
pankkake devops is still a thing? [23:43]
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mircea_popescu http://25.media.tumblr.com/f097a5e09b34362dd6cf21e0da6799b8/tumblr_mygm5duF6t1sd7fomo1_1280.jpg [23:45]
mircea_popescu "now where did i park again ?! maybe it was in the pink ?" [23:45]
benkay` us management didn't turn over overnight, pankkake. still gotta deal with the derps. [23:46]
benkay` in the meantime, it's an acceptable shorthand for a whole buncha shit. [23:46]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 20 @ 0.02619899 = 0.524 BTC [+] [23:49]
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KRS1 nice send moar pr0ns and dtng [23:55]
KRS1 lel definately in the pink [23:55]
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