Forum logs for 08 Feb 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

pankkake	Duffer1: the default one, don't touch it and you'll get an alc address	[00:00]
Duffer1	kk	[00:00]
mircea_popescu	o it's alc now ?	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	alt atc not confusing enough ?	[00:01]
mircea_popescu	ima call them qoq	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.0055 = 1.65 BTC	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[00:02]
BingoBoingo	Imma still looking for 30K QOQ @150 satoshi so my wallet can be 31337	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	"alters" sounds okay verbally for satoshis, or maybe we just call them alms	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	Tat, regular stratum runs against it but- mining.submit must be different. You will need to ask --- ask what now?	[00:03]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c it's for ppl who has none! i'm not sending tat any either --- you mutha!	[00:03]
jborkl	give me aa few minutes I and changing some stuff and see if it works	[00:04]
mike_c	we're out in the cold	[00:04]
mike_c	me with 1, you with 0 :)	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	suffar yo	[00:04]
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mircea_popescu	mike_c i thought you were mining ?	[00:04]
ThickAsThieves	you know whatd be funny, i make a deal with ASICMINER to buy hashes and point them at it	[00:04]
mircea_popescu	what'd a block cost ftr ?	[00:05]
mike_c	i gave it a half-hearted attempt the other day, but i don't have a good gpu for it.	[00:05]
ThickAsThieves	block cost? reward is 512	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	mike_c ok if you honeslty have none you can get a 1336 set then you can be leet too	[00:05]
mike_c	but, for the lulz: WTB: 30,000 ATC at 151 satoshis	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	;;genrate 1000 60000	[00:05]
gribble	The expected generation output, at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 60000.0, is 8.38177527385 BTC per day and 0.34924063641 BTC per hour.	[00:05]
Duffer1	pankakke 1DuffFBtKvCzEbp2bG93XViW2ESgwRh6M9	[00:06]
ThickAsThieves	expensive	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	sooo... 1 ghps would make .35 atc per hour ?	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	what's a ghps sell for ?	[00:06]
ThickAsThieves	no idea	[00:06]
mike_c	;;calc 30000 * 0.00000151	[00:07]
gribble	0.0453	[00:07]
ThickAsThieves	1.6ghs for $60 on amazon	[00:07]
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mircea_popescu	1 hr ?	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1050 @ 0.00086687 = 0.9102 BTC [-]	[00:07]
mike_c	;;calc 0.0453 * [ticker --last]	[00:07]
gribble	32.848557063	[00:07]
ThickAsThieves	i mean a miner	[00:07]
ThickAsThieves	sry	[00:08]
jborkl	Attempting block submit	[00:08]
jborkl	Block result: {	[00:08]
jborkl	"id": "-1451344613",	[00:08]
jborkl	"result": "rejected",	[00:08]
jborkl	"error": null	[00:08]
pankkake	Duffer1: sent. "Duff" :)	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	a	[00:08]
jborkl	}	[00:08]
ThickAsThieves	no one rents by the hour	[00:08]
Duffer1	thanks MP :)	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	yee.	[00:08]
ThickAsThieves	well maybe botnets	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	mike_c srlsy, paste an addy	[00:08]
mike_c	1NUNo4rF9a5gehszwSu8W7uMGaJs4Ee2dX	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	pankkake 1336 there pls.	[00:09]
pankkake	lol	[00:09]
mike_c	and no, i did not vanity gen a "nun" address	[00:09]
jborkl	the version must have a slightly different submit, so stratum would have to be changed to submit correctly- if you could what they changed you will need to know	[00:09]
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jborkl	ask	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah you gotta ask!	[00:09]
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ThickAsThieves	i dont even know how to download the block source	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	stratum pool = big deal.	[00:09]
ThickAsThieves	fuck this shit	[00:09]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[00:09]
jborkl	quitting already? ??	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	lmao this cryptocoin project has like a 12 yo founder and what is this!	[00:10]
pankkake	to be a true altcoin you have to not understand what you are doing	[00:10]
ThickAsThieves	it should just work outta the box	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah like crypto-cereal decoding cockrings	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	or w/e.	[00:11]
pankkake	I hope http://coinminer.net:19982/static/ actually works	[00:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00086687 = 2.9474 BTC [-]	[00:11]
mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdfp7olGMw1ru15g3o1_500.jpg << is this hitch-cock ?	[00:12]
ThickAsThieves	i'll just get some when it's listed somewhere, online wallets are the best wallets right?	[00:12]
pankkake	his nose is happy to see her	[00:12]
jborkl	running stratum against say terracoin is exactly the same as bitcoin - hell all you do is change the payout addy and port, something is slightly different	[00:13]
mircea_popescu	someone should vanitygen a 1am12andwhatisthis addy for you	[00:13]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That would be easy to do in Failcoin, the MD4 mined one where private key is the last 4 characters of the address.	[00:19]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8551 @ 0.00087114 = 7.4491 BTC [+]	[00:25]
Duffer1	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-07/4th-financial-services-executive-found-dead-self-inflicted-nail-gun-wounds	[00:26]
ozbot	4th Financial Services Executive Found Dead; "From Self-Inflicted Nail-Gun Wounds" \| Zero Hedge	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	that's a shitty way to die	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	can't these people even afford rope anymore ?!	[00:26]
BingoBoingo	What's with this nailgun suicide thing. It's like people setting themselves up to fail.	[00:26]
pankkake	nail gun?! ouch	[00:27]
mircea_popescu	course the only reporting venues are zero hedge and... max keiser.	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	wtf is this.	[00:28]
BingoBoingo	Maybe by financial services executive they mean Phone center pit boss?	[00:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00086666 = 8.0166 BTC [-] {2}	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	this seems somewhat of a "War on Xmas" narrative.	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	"The founder and CEO of American Title Services in Centennial was found dead in his home this week, the result of self-inflicted wounds from a nail gun, according to the Arapahoe County coroner."	[00:29]
mircea_popescu	people commit suicides, to the tune of 100 or so a day in the us.	[00:30]
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ThickAsThieves	the golden gate bridge is riddled with it	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	if you comb it loose enough about 1 in 100 people could be said to work in "financial services"	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	they have a suicide phone	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	That low? I'd imagine the number to be higher.	[00:30]
chipug	are they hoping blood loss will be that slow, they are found in time perhaps?	[00:30]
ThickAsThieves	and a watchman	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	chipug: Seems to be the only reason to use a nailgun in the US where more efficient tools are readily available. (i.e. Kurt Cobain, Ernest Hemmingway)	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	but i mean for crying out loud, "american title services" thing was a small... title services company.	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	they just dont have real guns	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck.	[00:31]
Duffer1	ya MP i can't tell if they're trying to find a patter in the sand here, or if there actually is a pattern	[00:31]
Duffer1	pattern	[00:31]
ThickAsThieves	maybe he made a buncha families lose their homes	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	"They said Talley died from seven or eight self-inflicted wounds from a nail gun fired into his torso and head."	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	for the love of christ.	[00:32]
Duffer1	o.o	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	who ever heard of the 8 shot suicide even !?	[00:32]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: But in the US a 12 gauge shotgun and a copy of Grey's Anatomy so you can find the brainstem together costs even with the downturn, maybe 0.125 btc?	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it was implusive	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i couldnt do it	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2014/02/07/alleged-silk-road-creator-ross-ulbricht-pleads-not-guilty-on-all-charges/	[00:36]
ozbot	Alleged Silk Road Creator Ross Ulbricht Pleads Not Guilty On All Charges - Forbes	[00:36]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9326 @ 0.00087134 = 8.1261 BTC [+] {2}	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	In the arraignment, prosecutors said that they have between eight and ten terabytes of evidence that they plan to share with the defense	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	uh. this doesn't sound good for the prosecution at all.	[00:37]
Duffer1	yea hehe	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	anyway, good for him.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	hopefully shrem gets the balls together to do the same.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	generally speaking no forfeiture + pleading not guilty = worst possible scenario for the da.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the only way to lose your job.	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00086453 = 3.4581 BTC [-] {2}	[00:41]
Duffer1	i've read that they have emails of him colluding to wash coins	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	someone should do an article where the goal is to find the price of every suspected shill	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	like how much does it cost to get Bitcon Mag to write favorably	[00:43]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: if you account for sock puppets and robo spam bots, the length of that article would probably approach Aleph subscript zero (infinite, but countably so)	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	well the focus would be one "community" outlets	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	Max Keiser	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	Bitcon Mag	[00:44]
ThickAsThieves	CoinDesk	[00:45]
ThickAsThieves	TheVerge maybe	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they're opaque.	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	pretty much any shill works for a group. the actual cost-per-shillpiece is not a market value.	[00:45]
BingoBoingo	And then Bitcointalk/litecointalk/Techcrunch forums/Twitter swell the ranks in a way that increases faster than they can be wrote up	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	similar to household economy. what's the per-blowjob cost of a wife ? well, it depends, if you're the husband probably like a piece of cake	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	i guess often it's more of a barter	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	if you're a bum in the street prolly like a rolls.	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	buy 12mos of ads instead of 6 and we'll throw in an article	[00:47]
ThickAsThieves	thats how it works in print at least	[00:47]
mircea_popescu	something like that.	[00:48]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, specifically about bitcoin magazine, i'm curious how long before the contentious manner in which it was acquired actually spills out in court.	[00:50]
mircea_popescu	at the rate it's going probably bitcoin will probably never be worth enough for its btc value to command enough fiat interest, but who knows	[00:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 600 @ 0.0055 = 3.3 BTC	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	after 24-36 hours it's pretty much over the20year	[00:52]
pankkake	can you still evict people in the US?	[00:54]
pankkake	good luck evicting people from your own house in France :/	[00:55]
BingoBoingo	Well, eviction is easy if landvalue is greater than the structure value...	[00:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+] {2}	[00:57]
Namworld	From your own house?	[00:58]
Namworld	wtf?	[00:58]
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pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430858.0 lol	[00:59]
ozbot	[ANN] [GOATCoin] Greatest Of All Time \| SHA-256 \| Rewards active users \| Rare	[00:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [+]	[01:00]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld france is a joke.	[01:03]
mircea_popescu	"people have rights" etc.	[01:03]
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pankkake	burglars and squatters have rights basically	[01:04]
mircea_popescu	i don't think there's actually a worse example of a country than france.	[01:04]
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mircea_popescu	pretty much everything about how it's run is offensive.	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	can't fire people. can't evict people. the tax burden is like... 80% ?	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	even with all the monkey they do, african countries like say the car are more palatable.	[01:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2500 @ 0.00086644 = 2.1661 BTC [+]	[01:06]
mircea_popescu	dude check out all the bitcoin mfas : virtualmining.com/ cryptologs.com/ bitcoinviews.com/	[01:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24372 @ 0.00086433 = 21.0655 BTC [-] {3}	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	there's a ton of them	[01:09]
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theo__	hey	[01:11]
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mircea_popescu	hello.	[01:12]
theo__	the20year Is your IPO REAL?	[01:12]
pankkake	no he invests in fake estate only, on second life	[01:12]
theo__	As in Rentalstarter?	[01:12]
theo__	thanks trolololol.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	unexpected ambiguity	[01:13]
theo__	apologies i meant to ask is your IPO RENT not REAL >.< been a long night	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdfx8qOa9E1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg << this is an alt-babe.	[01:14]
theo__	to bad you can't mine them.	[01:14]
pankkake	haha, yeah it's RENT	[01:14]
theo__	thanks for clarifcation pankkake :)/	[01:14]
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Duffer1	rode hard and put away wet comes to mind	[01:15]
Duffer1	thanks mp :(	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, anyone have handy a link to the golden painted whore at the whatever conference ?	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	someone pasted it here a few days ago and now i need it to prove a point	[01:15]
pankkake	I thought you trilemaed her already… weird	[01:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 343 @ 0.00303927 = 1.0425 BTC [-] {10}	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.067 = 0.201 BTC [-]	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	nope ;/	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	or have i ?	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	ty	[01:17]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: twist: that alt-babe is actually pankkake	[01:18]
pankkake	I wish I was a girl!	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	well her manboos certainly are.	[01:18]
Duffer1	lol 20 :(	[01:18]
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theo__	@the20year what do you expect your anual yield to be over this 2014 period if i may ask. Already invested into 500 shares looking to see what your expectations are to think about a longer term strategy. I have seen how well your company has done from june 2013. Just wondering on your on thoughts for this year	[01:18]
nubbins`	I NO RITE?!?!	[01:18]
jborkl	i did 4 alt blocks, so i retire	[01:18]
nubbins`	she looks so high	[01:19]
nubbins`	cant stop staring at face	[01:19]
nubbins`	:(	[01:19]
asciilifeform	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2553964/CEO-commits-suicide-nail-gun-company-investigation.html	[01:20]
ozbot	CEO commits suicide with a nail gun while his company under investigation \| Mail Online	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	weren't we talking about this an hour ago ?!	[01:20]
nubbins`	yes, you were	[01:20]
asciilifeform	damn	[01:20]
asciilifeform	'shot first, asked questions later'	[01:21]
nubbins`	hah	[01:21]
theo__	the20year: is that in USD Yield or are you expecting that to be in BTC Yield	[01:21]
nubbins`	if he was a pro, he would have used two nailguns, one on each temple	[01:21]
nubbins`	less chance of becoming cabbage	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	maybe he could have arranged a 10x10 battery of price guns	[01:22]
nubbins`	heh.	[01:22]
nubbins`	cover airways with SALE stickers	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	death by ten thousand glues.	[01:23]
theo__	the20year: good thanks you have already made me put more faith in you just with that statement. Furthering on will you be hedging anything into BTC or all directly into USD as your company for you unfortunatetly missed the $120 -> 1000 price hike and could have already had a million dollar investment plan.	[01:23]
theo__	the20year: as the only thing that is stopping me as a investor looking to diversify into your company is the key fact that I believe the US could be on a potential melt down, and would mean that if you hedged to much into USD I am exposing myself to to much risk	[01:24]
theo__	the20year: have you also taken into consideration the potential risk of if a housing collapse does happen again or a market collapse in america? as in your compaines Manifesto ( i know not the right word but i am tired) you did not mention this is a potential risk to investors	[01:25]
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mircea_popescu	dude forget it, real estate in central ohio isn't collapsing	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	it hasn't where./	[01:26]
theo__	the20year: agreed but i am hesitent to over invest as you are talking about a leveraged lending scheme (which works well in good financal times) Though in bad times over leveraging can leave you to open to the risks	[01:27]
theo__	thanks mp	[01:27]
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nubbins`	i mailed a package mid-january and it took 19 days to get to the other side of canada	[01:28]
nubbins`	:(	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	your risks are that if btc reaches 10k in a year or two you're left with 1/10 of what you'd have had if you held on to the btc, and if the guy splits with the cash you're left with whatever people buying into asset-based btc corps are usually left with	[01:28]
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mircea_popescu	the rest is hardly within a coupla degrees of magnitude of that	[01:29]
theo__	the20year: Alright that answers my next question. My last major question i have is with the 3 year rental - equity buy back how would that work in terms of a shareholder dividend?	[01:29]
theo__	Yes	[01:29]
theo__	Would you reinvest or divedened the profit?	[01:29]
theo__	or 50 /50	[01:29]
theo__	Apologies again for my horrible spelling.	[01:30]
Duffer1	heed MPs caution theo	[01:30]
theo__	Duffer i have to many BTC to leave them sit as only BTC i need to diversify and RENT offers a realistic aproach to reinvestment with his companies share value only increasing even with the price of bitcoin 8x higher then his inittal IPO	[01:31]
Duffer1	i had 200 btc once, now i have 20	[01:31]
theo__	i had 6000 once duffer... we all learn	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	do we ?	[01:32]
theo__	the20year: Bitfunder?	[01:32]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/EyRjQRf	[01:32]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[01:32]
nubbins`	to protect and serve ...yourself at mcd's as fast as possible	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	i had 500`000 altcoins once...	[01:32]
theo__	Ah i getchya now	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [-]	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md9u32IbIn1ru15g3o1_1280.jpg	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	even.	[01:33]
nubbins`	hm, you win this round	[01:33]
theo__	And you will have first dividend out on the 15th? Which if i look at it right will be averaging a ~3% yield because of the new IPO purchasing power not being included. This would be about right?	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12502 = 0.6251 BTC [-] {2}	[01:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 4 @ 0.080025 = 0.3201 BTC [-] {2}	[01:35]
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theo__	no problems and that dividend will only be for share on havelock?	[01:35]
theo__	so anyone who has not moved there shares misses out.	[01:35]
theo__	Haha I like it :)	[01:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC	[01:36]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/gallery/K8PDa	[01:36]
ozbot	How to pass time on the train - Imgur	[01:36]
theo__	Do you mind if i ask a bit more of a personal question. As in how old you are? Just so i can get a grasp of who i am investing into, Because as far as i can tell it seems you are the company or is there more people in the managment team?	[01:36]
theo__	and 7 years experience on some major boards already not bad.	[01:37]
Duffer1	Offering the Bank of Duffer1, send me your coins and next year i'll send them back to you	[01:37]
Duffer1	every single one of them	[01:37]
asciilifeform	when do we get the chainsaw-autodecapitated CEO?	[01:37]
theo__	Well i saw your credentials, and you said you had sat on 2 boards.	[01:37]
Duffer1	i won't even charge for this service	[01:38]
theo__	Ok	[01:38]
Duffer1	accidentally shot himself in the back a few times ceo?	[01:38]
theo__	LOL	[01:38]
asciilifeform	accidentally-filled-bathtub-with-HCL-instead-of-water CEO.	[01:39]
theo__	Can i ask a bit deeper as in are you currently still working outside of this company?	[01:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.51999996 = 1.04 BTC [+]	[01:39]
theo__	Youngest = understanding it the fastest in my books anyway	[01:39]
theo__	so you'r not on any boards anymore that could restrict your commitments to the company if it is to turn well?	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform "i can't believe it wasn't butter"	[01:40]
theo__	or other work commitments persay	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	persay ?	[01:40]
theo__	Perfect.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	8 shots -> somebody wanted to know where the coldwallet is.	[01:41]
nubbins`	"This week Russia praised the United States for its rich history of making gay athletes feel unsafe and unwelcome"	[01:41]
nubbins`	heh	[01:41]
theo__	Do you have an email or any other form of communication to talk more privately? I may think about becoming a largish scale investor in your company. I am liking the way you hold yourself and your answers.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	ok i gotta put the markov chain on ignore, this is too much.	[01:41]
Usage:	IGNORE	[01:41]
theo__!@	added to ignore list.	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` according to the onion, 80% of us adults get their news from the onion.	[01:43]
Duffer1	the panama fund is shady as fuck	[01:44]
Duffer1	the quality of the offerings since takeover is what i base that on	[01:45]
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Duffer1	with the exceptions of rentalstarter and maybe neobee ofc	[01:46]
ACTION	AME ANICK AMSG ADDBUTTON ALLCHAN ALLCHANL ALLSERV AWAY	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 90 @ 0.0055 = 0.495 BTC	[01:46]
Duffer1	i haven't looked into seedcoin at all actually	[01:47]
asciilifeform	http://www.sacbee.com/2014/02/06/6136333/calif-leaders-outline-proposed.html	[01:47]
ozbot	California leaders push for smartphone kill switch - Wire Technology - The Sacramento Bee	[01:47]
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Duffer1	mainly it was peta/cfig/mintspare that really tells me they're not interested in investors, they just want to fleece customers	[01:48]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu, probably the only truth on the website	[01:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.51999996 = 4.68 BTC [+]	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform believe it or not, the most offensive part in there is the "leaders"	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck leaders, that's not what you call a herd of pencilnecks.	[01:49]
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mircea_popescu	"In San Francisco alone, about 60 percent of all robberies involve the theft of a mobile device, Police Chief Greg Suhr said. In nearby Oakland, such thefts amount to about 75 percent of robberies, Mayor Jean Quan added."	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	wait. in OAKLAND ?!	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	is this a different oakland ?	[01:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7371 @ 0.00086512 = 6.3768 BTC [+]	[01:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14050 @ 0.00086475 = 12.1497 BTC [-] {2}	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: It looks like nike style "You only need intercept the general area" missile defense might make a comeback http://thediplomat.com/2014/02/will-hypersonic-capabilities-render-missile-defense-obsolete/	[01:54]
Namworld	There's already efficient missile defense system for small ones that are cheap enough. Soon enough yeah, laser.	[01:57]
BingoBoingo	Namworld: the20year: The answer existed in the 50's -> nuclear tipped air defense missiles	[01:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00086422 = 14.0868 BTC [-]	[01:58]
Namworld	What's the problem if the missile is hypersonic? Drop the radar, use satellites/visual.	[01:58]
Namworld	An alert, a short human check on the object to confirm, shootdown.	[01:59]
BingoBoingo	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_Hercules#cite_ref-51	[01:59]
ozbot	MIM-14 Nike Hercules - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[01:59]
Namworld	I thought that's why they're aiming at laser defense systems.	[02:00]
Namworld	Spray of bullets could also work.	[02:00]
KRS-One	;;lasers	[02:00]
gribble	┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ pew! pew! pew!	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	tracking missiles from a satellite isn't quite as trivial as all that.	[02:00]
Namworld	Not trivial, but probably doable.	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	I'm telling you, top the interceptor missile with a 30 kt warhead and your margin of error is covered	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	this is what people usually say about driving with their feet.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	last i heard, moscow is still covered by '50s-style mini-nuke launchers.	[02:01]
asciilifeform	basic problem is, the answer to a 'defensive' missile is always cheaper than itself	[02:02]
asciilifeform	(decoys)	[02:02]
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Namworld	Bullet sprays	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	"Strategic missile defense might therefore very well constitute the worst investment-return ratio of any major military system in U.S. history"	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	such bs this.	[02:02]
Namworld	1 million bullet is cheap. Rain it. It's efficient at destroying incoming explosives.	[02:03]
asciilifeform	the20year: it'll be ground-burst. because fedex, rather than ballistic, delivery vehicle.	[02:03]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: At the current rate it looks like the F-35 takes the cake. Does nothing well as an airplane, because the Marine corps insists they need a fighter jet that works like a helicopter	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah, that. i remember that.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	at least they're not asking for an airplane that works like a submarine	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	(yet)	[02:04]
asciilifeform	or boat. great lakes, as suggested by V. N. Chelomey.	[02:05]
BingoBoingo	the20year: The problem with the F-22 as a universal fighter jet is it is too big for an aircraft carrier. (Apparently noone considered making the smaller version)	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway : who was ranting about how china isn't a threat ?	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	china is a threat.	[02:05]
KRS-One	^	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	(cause obviously, the hypersonic missiles in discussion are chinese tech)	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	Dimsler Maybe?	[02:06]
asciilifeform	btw people fundamentally misunderstand the chinese rocket in the link.	[02:06]
asciilifeform	the whole point is to fly below radar	[02:06]
asciilifeform	you know it was there when the payload pops.	[02:06]
Dimsler	lol	[02:06]
Dimsler	who call my name	[02:06]
Namworld	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgpQBZF2sZQ	[02:06]
ozbot	Phalanx (CIWS) Block 1B LPWS Testing and Firing - YouTube	[02:06]
Dimsler	mig 29 for life	[02:06]
BingoBoingo	Mig 25 is best mig	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo actually it was some random journofuckwit. http://trilema.com/2014/most-wrong-and-absolutely-wrongest/	[02:07]
BingoBoingo	AH	[02:07]
Namworld	With visual instead of radar. Bullet spray. Very efficient considering the cost of bullets. Most expensive is probably the tracking systems.	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	Namworld i don't think you fully grok the mechanics involkved.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	the missile is going about 10x as fast as your bullets.	[02:08]
BingoBoingo	And bullets can only go so far up	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	basically a steel mesh would be better than a bullet in this configuration.	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	especially if the wind makes it vibrate.	[02:09]
Namworld	It doesn't matter if you can shoot a volley where the incoming target will be.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	just looked out the window. no steel mesh dome over wash., d.c. yet.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	but... you don't know where the thing will be.	[02:09]
asciilifeform	must be behind schedule.	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform they keep knocking it, but ultra tensile meshes are better than all the crap they've built so far	[02:10]
Namworld	Why wouldn't you if you can visually track the incoming projectile?	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	you can't see that fast.	[02:10]
Namworld	What do you mean by that?	[02:10]
asciilifeform	on top of it all, the earth... is round.	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	the 20 frames of a second cover a distance of about 3 miles say.	[02:11]
KRS-One	hypersonic is faster than radar too	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	depends on wavelength, but it IS probl;ematic for radar too yes	[02:11]
KRS-One	depending on angle i guess	[02:11]
asciilifeform	no one even tangentially involved with u.s. mil. work has any real doubt as to the actual purpose of 'missile defense' crap.	[02:11]
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mircea_popescu	i didn't think we did either.	[02:12]
asciilifeform	just in case.	[02:12]
Namworld	Yes, even at 3 miles per second. Is that such a problem with almost instant reaction? Enough to reach incoming target before it's close enough. It might be a bit too close for comfort I guess.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	it's a problem in that you can't...actually...see it.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	most people who get punched out claim they never saw the fist.	[02:13]
BingoBoingo	I was acquainted with someone who worked on an unclassifed project about as useful as missile defense. Essentialy the device was a hair drier large enough to accomodate a 747, because anthrax	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	the fist isn't coming from 3 miles away.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	let's do gedankenexperiment.	[02:14]
Namworld	I never said a human would need to react to it.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	imagine you possess a death ray that magically zaps a rocket, from any distance.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	death ray must be physically aimed.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	so now you need a certain number of them, to cover however-many steradians sector of fire.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	a death ray can zap one rocket at a time.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	all enemy needs to do is fire enough rockets simultaneously...	[02:15]
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mircea_popescu	Namworld the human eye is much better than tech ersatzes.	[02:15]
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asciilifeform	keep them coming until the death rays cannot keep up	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the salmon strategy, by its scientific name.	[02:16]
asciilifeform	rocket is cheaper than any conceivable 'death ray' or other countermeasure.	[02:16]
asciilifeform	correct.	[02:16]
Namworld	The human eye can't see far and human reaction is far slower than tech ersatzes...	[02:16]
BingoBoingo	Well, nuclear weapons require less unobtanium than death rays	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	Namworld so you think, but once you factor in the various factors it's actually no longer the case.	[02:16]
KRS-One	rocket isnt cheaper than sharks with laser rays	[02:17]
mircea_popescu	KRS-One seeing how more people own a dozen rockets than a dozen laser sharks...	[02:17]
Namworld	Well we have defense system that are far more accurate and quicker to react than humans already...	[02:17]
asciilifeform	russians (and, at one point, americans) were willing to pop nukes over their own city at one point	[02:17]
mod6	ATC: 1G34X8K9LYsZMn4dQ4e7HFe5V127zV6Ln6	[02:17]
asciilifeform	but that was mainly to delay the inevitable	[02:17]
asciilifeform	and survive long enough to get a return-shot in.	[02:17]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: The shark is too valuable on the plate and in the soup bowl to give it a laser	[02:17]
KRS-One	sharks dont need fuel	[02:17]
asciilifeform	rather than defense in the usual sense of the word.	[02:17]
mod6	wow, diff is up to: "difficulty" : 62719.43923596,	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the best part of all this, of course, is that point defense is becoming an exercise in stupidity anyway	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	who needs fixed points and for what the fuck.	[02:18]
KRS-One	ok fine i just happen to have a dream of owning my own shark tank with laser rays for my enemies ok?	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	what "cities"	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12250 @ 0.00086422 = 10.5867 BTC [-]	[02:19]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: If you have farm raised sharks with certifiably low mercury levels, I am pretty sure there are worth much more as food than guards	[02:19]
chipug	if it's not specified the state of the shark, you can get plastic ones for $12.99	[02:19]
mircea_popescu	a practical mind.	[02:19]
asciilifeform	'no city is defended whose walls can admit an ass loaded with gold.'	[02:19]
chipug	http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/f2eb/	[02:19]
ozbot	ThinkGeek :: Shark With Frickin' Laser Pointer	[02:19]
asciilifeform	(or a fedex truck...)	[02:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 35 @ 0.00308199 = 0.1079 BTC [+] {2}	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcvn7kPpmk1r8ra1ho1_400.jpg	[02:24]
mircea_popescu	girl that's never been in a pool hall before... props her nose on the cue.	[02:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.125 BTC [-]	[02:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 550 @ 0.0008 = 0.44 BTC [+]	[02:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.0055 = 0.275 BTC	[02:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 49 @ 0.00510164 = 0.25 BTC [+] {4}	[02:42]
KRS-One	Love how everyone looks like its perfectly normal to have a barenaked lady standing there in the pool hall.	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: What's abnormal about it? Ever been to a pool hall?	[02:45]
KRS-One	BingoBoingo: of course I have foo	[02:45]
KRS-One	Turn down the troll a bit.	[02:45]
KRS-One	BingoBoingo: The thing is you can go to a disco but are you really safe? Any number of those fancy lights and beams could be a death ray.	[02:46]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: I've never considered that	[02:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.52 BTC [+]	[02:47]
KRS-One	Kinda makes you think, doesn't it?	[02:47]
BingoBoingo	KRS-One: Might be an interesting episode of Law and Order. Catching the criminal who switches dance lasers with death lasers.	[02:48]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo her looking good is the abnormal part.	[02:48]
KRS-One	i know, right?	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	Yes it is.	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	Usually she'd be 20 years older and... the things that go with that	[02:49]
KRS-One	My friend josh bought a laser you can actually see in the air..fucker hurts.	[02:49]
KRS-One	its blue	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	high power lasers are usually blue	[02:50]
KRS-One	he said there are way more powerful onees.	[02:50]
mircea_popescu	ya but none are red.	[02:50]
KRS-One	you can cause some major mischief with one..only limited by your imagination really.	[02:51]
KRS-One	,bait	[02:54]
KRS-One	http://i.imgur.com/WKi8XWS.jpg	[02:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1490 @ 0.00013418 = 0.1999 BTC [+]	[02:55]
Duffer1	almost clicked	[02:56]
BingoBoingo	.bait	[02:56]
ozbot	http://24.media.tumblr.com/f7dce41af0d5d67220df3ba49b7436f2/tumblr_my91exllou1rlftbao1_1280.jpg	[02:56]
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pankkake	.bait	[02:58]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell bugpowder https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=449354.msg5006812#msg5006812 << all the good work you're doing. want some atc ?	[02:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[02:59]
Bugpowder	I aim to serve	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	o hello	[02:59]
Bugpowder	I take DOGE	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	somehow i thought you weren't here lol	[02:59]
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mircea_popescu	hahaha i has no doges ;/	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	but i tell you! it's great to have a token worthless internet funbux currency to throw around	[02:59]
mircea_popescu	you know, the way bitcoin USED TO BE	[03:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.126 BTC [+]	[03:00]
Bugpowder	I bought 20M doge at 35 and sold at 44.	[03:00]
mod6	bid: .15 BTC for 100000 ATC	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	that satoshis ?	[03:01]
Bugpowder	yah	[03:01]
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mircea_popescu	don't be a fool, atc is actually like 100-150	[03:01]
Bugpowder	atc is a mythical alt currency inside joke?	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	mhm.	[03:01]
Bugpowder	sigh	[03:01]
mod6	oh? thought 1.0 ATC ~ 0.00000150 BTC	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	mod6 that'd be ~150 satoshi neh ?	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	a, i was talking to him re the 35 44	[03:02]
Bugpowder	I hear ATC is now pegged to the DOGEer.	[03:02]
mod6	yeah, so figure for 100k ATC... be about .15 btc total?	[03:02]
mod6	oh ok.	[03:02]
mod6	srry.	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	I'd like to find someone with 30k alt to sell me at 150 satoshi	[03:02]
mircea_popescu	i think in a day or two alt blockchain will have done more hashng than all of doge in its entire history.	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	which... myeah.	[03:03]
Dimsler	i didn't know this was a trading floor for garbage?	[03:03]
Dimsler	oh wait	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	That would make my balance 31337	[03:03]
Dimsler	it is a trading floor for garbage	[03:03]
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pankkake	not the same proof of work, does not compare	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	Dimsler: Garbage, unlike doges have a use though	[03:03]
mircea_popescu	pankkake not like i forced them use a dumb pow	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	a gallon is a gallon if you carry it in the truck or on the back.	[03:04]
pankkake	so more hashes is better	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	definitely.	[03:04]
pankkake	not the size of the hash	[03:04]
pankkake	so hashes are not boobs	[03:04]
pankkake	interesting	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	no hashes are phone numbers.	[03:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.51999996 BTC [-]	[03:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00308199 = 0.1541 BTC [+]	[03:06]
ThickAsThieves	bugpowder it's not a joke it's an experiment in irony, tribes, and feedback loops	[03:09]
ThickAsThieves	i just realized i havent even started quoted seth goden yet	[03:09]
ThickAsThieves	quoting	[03:09]
ThickAsThieves	godin*	[03:10]
Bugpowder	Well, I think there is a real market opportunity for localaltcoins.com.	[03:10]
mircea_popescu	coelho is one thing, but godin...	[03:10]
ThickAsThieves	“Instead of wondering when your next vacation is, maybe you should set up a life you don't need to escape from.”	[03:11]
ThickAsThieves	― Seth Godin	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	dun be killing this thing.	[03:11]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[03:11]
mod6	;;view	[03:11]
gribble	#19517 Fri Feb 7 20:10:59 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.5e-06 BTC (Want to buy 100,000 ATC for a total of 0.15 BTC, must have WoT rating. PM me.)	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	Bugpowder perhaps, but maybe not in the us.	[03:11]
mircea_popescu	it'd certainly be a great party thing to do.	[03:11]
ThickAsThieves	“If you can’t state your position in eight words, you don’t have a position. ”	[03:11]
ThickAsThieves	― Seth Godin	[03:11]
ThickAsThieves	perfect	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	seth godin is an intolerable fartsniffing retard	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	don't even need 8.	[03:12]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[03:12]
mod6	haha	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	i always thought the farts southpark episode was about him, but they didn't want to name him figuring (corrctly) that he's obscure enough he'd gain from the exposure	[03:13]
Bugpowder	No you only trade your ATC for BTC locally. It's not money laundering, its ATC laundering. Very different.	[03:15]
ThickAsThieves	anyone that is trying to teach marketers something, is teaching them how to be a consumer	[03:15]
ThickAsThieves	I was thinking about banning russia from ATC	[03:16]
mod6	fight back	[03:16]
mod6	;;later tell nanotube i want to buy 500 btc from you at 0.25, as per your outstanding offer. << this comment from the OTC wiki lol	[03:17]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[03:17]
mod6	oh shit. lol	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you could ban new jersey	[03:18]
mod6	whoops, should have removed that ';;	[03:18]
ThickAsThieves	or added it to that comment	[03:18]
mod6	sorry nano	[03:19]
ThickAsThieves	i went to new jersey. once.	[03:19]
ThickAsThieves	everyone i met was a special kind of fucked up	[03:20]
pankkake	Breaking news: Altcoin not banned in Russia	[03:20]
mod6	sweet, hook me up	[03:20]
ThickAsThieves	Altcoin can't be banned, it does the banning	[03:21]
ThickAsThieves	like today, it banned me	[03:21]
mod6	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDoaf5Vnh7s	[03:21]
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ozbot	Hitler's Maxcoin Rant - YouTube	[03:22]
mod6	:)	[03:22]
ThickAsThieves	was there an epic maxcoin failure?	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	ThickAsThieves: It's origin?	[03:23]
ThickAsThieves	well	[03:23]
mod6	shrug	[03:23]
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ThickAsThieves	this hitler video, lol	[03:25]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah.	[03:28]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.seattlepi.com/entertainment/tv/tvguide/article/Report-Philip-Seymour-Hoffman-to-be-Digitally-5214202.php	[03:29]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=452662.0;all	[03:37]
ozbot	MAXCOIN FAIL. Show Max Keiser your thoughts right here.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	;;later see thickasthieves, you may be 12 and have no idea what you're doing, but at least you don't fail quite as bad as max keiser :D	[03:38]
gribble	Error: The "Later" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "see" in it. Try "list Later" to see the commands in the "Later" plugin.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thickasthieves see, you may be 12 and have no idea what you're doing, but at least you don't fail quite as bad as max keiser :D	[03:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18279 @ 0.00086655 = 15.8397 BTC [+] {2}	[03:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [+]	[03:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [+]	[03:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.19376446 = 0.7751 BTC [+]	[03:57]
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b0n1	hey guys! when is the btc conference of this channel?	[04:01]
b0n1	aka romania	[04:02]
jurov	for some reason all the guys at havelock hate text commuication and always call << I can confirm	[04:02]
jurov	There was one guy i talked to who was alright, lots of miscommunication << This too.	[04:03]
jurov	;;google trilema conference second edition	[04:03]
gribble	The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Mai 2013 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Emmanuel Farhi - IMF:	[04:03]
jurov	^ b0n1 the first one	[04:03]
the20year2	And yet havelock is much more organized then BF was	[04:05]
the20year2	they have alot of good stuff going for them	[04:05]
jurov	i don't have enough btc to divest in such way, after all	[04:05]
jurov	so i hevn't not look closer into rentalstarter	[04:05]
jurov	theo__: they "talked to lawyer"	[04:06]
jurov	maybe. ukyo isn't disclosing anything concrete	[04:07]
Duffer1	i believe btc-tc and bitfunder were likely shutdown by some manner of US federal gov intervention	[04:07]
Duffer1	neither will talk about it	[04:07]
jurov	and what' worse, ukyo hasn't paid out 92% of btc, again due to undisclosed problems	[04:08]
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Duffer1	likely a funds seizure	[04:08]
Duffer1	at best, fractional reserve loss at worst	[04:08]
b0n1	jurov what do you mean?	[04:09]
b0n1	the first one?	[04:09]
jurov	the first link	[04:09]
jurov	from google	[04:09]
Duffer1	http://trilema.com/2013/the-conference-second-edition/ b0n1	[04:09]
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ozbot	The conference, second edition pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[04:09]
b0n1	I honestly want to meet you guys, but wtf so high price?	[04:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1483 @ 0.00013418 = 0.199 BTC [+]	[04:10]
b0n1	I am one of the early adopters as you all are, but 10 btc for a meeting?	[04:11]
jurov	b0n1: afaik you can come as non-vip, you'll pay everything yourself	[04:11]
jurov	and it isn't 10btc, but $1000 anyway (converted by current rate)	[04:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.0055 = 0.121 BTC	[04:12]
jurov	oh and since it's buried in comments, especially if you book intercontinental flights,	[04:12]
b0n1	I really dont know why the price... this just smells bad	[04:13]
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randomcloud	Hey, is BingoBoingo here?	[04:13]
jurov	look into Budapest destination	[04:13]
jurov	instead of Timisoara	[04:13]
b0n1	give me a good reason for the price?	[04:13]
jurov	me? ask mp	[04:13]
b0n1	mircea_popescu`	[04:14]
b0n1	?	[04:14]
jurov	yes	[04:14]
b0n1	why such a high price?	[04:14]
Duffer1	price is $1k, like 1.2 btc not 10, includes shuttle service, rooms at 4star hotel w/ breakfast, free drinks everywhere	[04:14]
b0n1	what is this? 10 girls doing a lapdance for everybody taking part?	[04:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 40 @ 0.00448164 = 0.1793 BTC [+] {4}	[04:15]
Duffer1	oh 1740$ since it's 2014 already >.<	[04:16]
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chipug	you would end up paying more, breaking it all down and paying yourself	[04:17]
chipug	weren't they all clubbing in for the germany party too?	[04:17]
b0n1	I know that meeting people is important... and I also know that meeting important people is more important... but what the fuck should I think about a 10btc meeting? Honestly, I dont understand it...	[04:17]
Duffer1	b0n1 = jimmothy	[04:18]
jurov	just register as non-vip, the hotel rooms and meals are not very expensive	[04:18]
Duffer1	it's not 10btc	[04:18]
b0n1	how much?	[04:18]
jurov	i'm trying to exaplin it's in usd, too, but b0ni is already freaed out	[04:18]
Duffer1	1740$ usd	[04:18]
jurov	^ yes, paid in btc by current market rate	[04:20]
chipug	b0n1: it's not like that's the price of doing it yourself. that's the price of a nice package with it	[04:21]
mod6	b0n1: its 10 BTC to get on the VIP list. you should read the article again.	[04:21]
jurov	and there are hostels in timisoara. i was in one after missing my train, was nice, can't complain	[04:23]
b0n1	If I read the article there are 2 options:	[04:23]
b0n1	1. I dont go	[04:23]
b0n1	2. I go as VIP	[04:23]
jurov	3. register	[04:23]
jurov	4. show up	[04:23]
mod6	oh, maybe Im wrong actually. i read it like a year ago.	[04:23]
jurov	mod6 stfu	[04:24]
jurov	I paid only 5 because the rate went up	[04:24]
mod6	lol	[04:24]
jurov	you're causing unnecessary outrage :D	[04:25]
b0n1	I really cant believe davout paid 10 btc to go there...	[04:25]
jurov	who knew	[04:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17421 @ 0.00086848 = 15.1298 BTC [+]	[04:27]
mircea_popescu	i believe btc-tc and bitfunder were likely shutdown by some manner of US federal gov intervention << people believed the same of glbse.	[04:28]
Duffer1	am i wrong?	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	I am one of the early adopters as you all are, but 10 btc for a meeting? << what have you done ?	[04:28]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 yes, you are wrong. for instance when the govt closed down the sr, you knew this because... they said so.	[04:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.127 BTC [+]	[04:30]
Duffer1	if not govt intervention why would btc-tc shutdown?	[04:30]
mircea_popescu	because every person involved was an imbecile ?	[04:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[04:31]
Duffer1	well sure, but that doesn't adequately explain why they'd shutdown at their most profitable	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	...	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	really ?	[04:33]
Duffer1	what am i missing?	[04:33]
mircea_popescu	i can't begin to guess. what do you mean it doesn't adequately explain ? idiocy is adequate explanation for ANY behaviour	[04:34]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty much its only redeeming quality.	[04:34]
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Duffer1	that's a degree of idiocy i'm not willing to assign burnside lol	[04:35]
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mircea_popescu	which is the entire thing that powers conspiracism. easier to believe glbse was shut down by aliens than the gaping psychologic chasm of an alternative	[04:36]
Duffer1	my lemonade stand is making more money than ever, i think i'll shut it down	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	how do you know how much money it was making in the first place ?	[04:36]
Duffer1	fees on trade volume	[04:36]
mircea_popescu	eh get out of here.	[04:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37612 @ 0.00086356 = 32.4802 BTC [-] {6}	[04:38]
Duffer1	actm/labcoin trading was a huge increase in trade volume, i'm assuming that would translate into increase revenues, but there is the idiocy factor	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 labcoin was a scam, in which burnside participated, by faking volumes.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	they didn't manage to actually make money on it.	[04:38]
mircea_popescu	which is why all teh butthurt.	[04:38]
Duffer1	i've heard that accusation, i haven't seen support for it	[04:39]
mircea_popescu	fascinating.	[04:39]
Duffer1	i wasn't around for the labcoin ipo	[04:40]
mircea_popescu	so closing down the "profitable" thing in the middle of its profit is unexplainable, and the govt did it ?	[04:40]
Duffer1	i don't know what happened there	[04:40]
chipug	mircea_popescu: how many you having at your conference?	[04:40]
b0n1	mircea_popescu do I have to tell you?	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	chipug not that many.	[04:41]
Duffer1	just a hypothesis that could explain both btc-tc and bitfunder closures	[04:41]
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Duffer1	idiocy and coincidence are certainly options as well	[04:41]
mircea_popescu	b0n1 you don't have to anything. you've made a claim as to having been an old timer. if you want that taken seriously you'll have to offer some corroboration.	[04:41]
ThickAsThieves	i wanted to go, but personal life does not allow	[04:41]
chipug	a gathering as opposed to a party then lol exciting all the same	[04:41]
chipug	are they still doing the 1k party? or has that passed even	[04:42]
mircea_popescu	chipug teh list is more or less on the bottom of the post there. but yah, i dun believe in these conference things like they do.	[04:42]
chipug	a lot of people still like to nod 'n' hand shake in person mircea_popescu	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 wait, bitfunder was closed by the government too ?	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	dude god forbid the government goes away, what will we do without it ;/	[04:44]
Duffer1	lol i never said that, i said i believe it likely	[04:44]
Duffer1	or more likely than idiocy + coincidence	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	oh motherfucker, government just elbowed my glass of milk over	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	now there's milk all over the floor	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	fucking government.	[04:44]
ThickAsThieves	i was gonna get high but then i had to close down because of the government	[04:44]
b0n1	mircea_popescu I dont want to talk about it in public... I think you should at least have a small piece of understanding of this being part of the early community	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	i have exactly no understanding for it, being not only part of the early community but quite open about things.	[04:46]
b0n1	why?	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	because it's ridiculous ?	[04:46]
b0n1	why?	[04:47]
ThickAsThieves	maybe start with it isnt	[04:47]
ThickAsThieves	why*	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	cause you can't be someone without being someone wth.	[04:47]
mircea_popescu	how to get laid without getting wet ? what is this! are we 12 ?	[04:47]
b0n1	...	[04:48]
ThickAsThieves	on occassion	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	anyway, if you don't even want to talk publicly about what you've done what on earth could possibly posses you to show up to some event.	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	makes about as much sense as the goverment on a good day.	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[04:49]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 668.87391, Best ask: 668.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.12608, Last trade: 668.87391, 24 hour volume: 45818.91827598, 24 hour low: 651.70976, 24 hour high: 794.24938, 24 hour vwap: 716.45456	[04:49]
ThickAsThieves	btc is dead, long live atc	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	omg look at that, doge killed btc	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	no sorry, it was mxcoin or what's it called	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5004286#msg5004286	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	o look at that.	[04:51]
ozbot	[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings	[04:53]
b0n1	mircea_popescu I think the motivation to show up for this event should be enough to show up for this event... Who in hell would like to show up there without knowing who is there and what is going on there...	[04:53]
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mircea_popescu	i dunno what you meant to say.	[04:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 130 @ 0.0055 = 0.715 BTC	[04:54]
chipug	theres max coin and then that parody me coin popped up yesterday on twitter	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	which one ?	[04:56]
chipug	https://twitter.com/MaxScheisse	[04:58]
ozbot	The Scheisse Report (MaxScheisse) on Twitter	[04:58]
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mircea_popescu	hahahaha	[04:58]
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mircea_popescu	btw, am i the only one thinking death of a salesman is an atrociously stupid play ?	[04:58]
diametric	i think for this evening, i'll join the mtgox channels and microwave some popcorn	[04:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 24 @ 0.0045 = 0.108 BTC [+]	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	maybe blog a summary.	[04:59]
chipug	i haven't seen it, so looked it up... seems many share your view mircea_popescu first word that lept out was "sketchy" lol	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	the entire thing pivots around some fucktarded kid (athlete drop-out) seeing his dad fucking some girl on the side and "having his life ruined" by this.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	i mean just how us can you get already.	[05:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 47 @ 0.0055 = 0.2585 BTC	[05:06]
chipug	life ruining... kind of insulting to those that go through actual trauma	[05:09]
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mircea_popescu	then the guy commits suicide so his offspring can benefit from insurance fraud.	[05:15]
chipug	wtf!	[05:16]
chipug	do his kids know?	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	that's not covered.	[05:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.12829 BTC [+]	[05:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.19376446 BTC [+]	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/06/house-speaker-john-boehner-no-immigration-reform-until-obama-rebuilds-trust/	[05:26]
ozbot	House Speaker John Boehner: No immigration reform until Obama rebuilds trust \| The Raw Story	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	congress sez us pres can't be trusted to enforce laws.	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	this is like... a constitutional crisis neh ?	[05:27]
the20year2	Sort of , they were talking about it on the radio quite a bit	[05:29]
the20year2	Congress passed obamacare , now they want to change it at will withotu any modifications to the law	[05:29]
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the20year2	And effectively, they have done that with the mandate delays, implementation delays, ect	[05:29]
chetty	Latest stupid idea, you can keep those 'illegal' canceled policies for 3 years ...	[05:32]
the20year2	yep	[05:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14833 @ 0.00086814 = 12.8771 BTC [+]	[05:34]
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duduqa	;msg nickserv identify manolaum	[05:35]
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punkman1	doing it wrong	[05:35]
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BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[05:36]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 674.20001, Best ask: 683.995, Bid-ask spread: 9.79499, Last trade: 674.2, 24 hour volume: 45913.37007353, 24 hour low: 651.70976, 24 hour high: 794.24938, 24 hour vwap: 712.61117	[05:36]
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gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 699.0, Best ask: 714.91, Bid-ask spread: 15.91000, Last trade: 706.23, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None	[05:38]
BingoBoingo	Oh, gox has fallen to having an anti-premium	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	come to think about it... the bitcoin exchanges are really sad.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	mtgox ? coinbase ? the bitstamp thing ? the trollbox with an exchange pasted on top ?	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	there's really nothing.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	i had great hopes for that kraken thing but good lord...	[05:39]
BingoBoingo	Well, Second Market had to look for OTC sellers for a reason...	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	i doubt this is ever getting fixed, either.	[05:40]
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asciilifeform	just 5 guys signed up for MP's party?	[05:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 400 @ 0.0055 = 2.2 BTC	[05:41]
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asciilifeform	(do most people typically come by surprise? i've no idea, not having been to his house before)	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	well, plus all the womenz, 24 people. plenty n'est pas ?	[05:41]
asciilifeform	aha	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform nah, there were like a coupla dozen ppl last time	[05:41]
asciilifeform	re: btc exchanges: i'm still waiting for the day of tyrannical bans, when we stuff in cash / receive 'jackpots' from 'malfunctioning' soda machines to convert fiat.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[05:45]
asciilifeform	(they all have ethernet plugged in already, no?)	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	o dude that's a splendid idea	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	the soda malfunction thing could be in a great blond movie	[05:45]
asciilifeform	ideas, so cheap.	[05:45]
asciilifeform	action, so costly.	[05:45]
mircea_popescu	i tell you i can see a film in the style of chaplin's satire of nazi germany, but done with the means of 1970s made for tv french comedies.	[05:46]
asciilifeform	i can picture it already.	[05:46]
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asciilifeform	or even something in the style of that 'nazi donald duck' cartoon.	[05:47]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MReV9dkAVhY	[05:47]
chipug	did you hear about the poor wee 5 y/o who died after drinking soda?	[05:47]
asciilifeform	strike that	[05:48]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-PZVrWvJM0&list=RDMReV9dkAVhY	[05:48]
ozbot	Der Furher's Face - YouTube	[05:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0705 = 0.282 BTC [-] {2}	[05:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.12829 = 0.6415 BTC [+]	[05:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.19376446 = 0.9688 BTC [+]	[05:48]
chipug	parents being done with murder http://news.sky.com/story/1208013/girl-dies-after-being-forced-to-drink-soda	[05:48]
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chipug	excuse the sky news link	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	who force kids to drink soda	[05:50]
mircea_popescu	those people look awful. it'd suck if your parents had those mugs ;/	[05:52]
mod6	wow. good ole tennessee	[05:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]	[05:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1000 @ 0.0055 = 5.5 BTC	[05:56]
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asciilifeform	am i the only one who thought of conan doyle's 'the leather funnel' after reading that ?	[05:57]
asciilifeform	http://www.eastoftheweb.com/short-stories/UBooks/LeaFun.shtml	[05:57]
ozbot	Short Stories: The Leather Funnel by Arthur Conan Doyle	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	i just thought this is bs, grape juice doesn't give you water intoxication.	[05:57]
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asciilifeform	drowning sounds more like it	[05:58]
asciilifeform	esp. if they used funnel.	[05:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 909 @ 0.0055 = 4.9995 BTC	[05:59]
chipug	i'm thinking ^ that. 2litre bottle.fucks sake man.poor wee crater	[06:03]
chipug	it's a real shame that just any one can have children	[06:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.19376446 = 1.7439 BTC [+]	[06:05]
mod6	maybe some prison guards will pour 2+ litres of jizz down ole Randall's throat, see how he handles it.	[06:05]
chipug	maybe so	[06:06]
Dimsler	whose randal	[06:06]
chipug	do wine funnels have any effect on the the taste?	[06:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 17 @ 0.06823528 = 1.16 BTC [-] {4}	[06:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.12743 = 1.1469 BTC [-] {2}	[06:06]
mod6	The winner in the article.	[06:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.127 = 0.381 BTC [-]	[06:07]
mircea_popescu	chipug yes. you taste with your nose.	[06:08]
Dimsler	lol	[06:09]
Dimsler	grape drink	[06:09]
chipug	i can only see them used with reds	[06:10]
chipug	when did they world fall out of love with ornate things	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	chipug when women started going to work.	[06:11]
chipug	sad times	[06:11]
chipug	can i go back to before but keep the tech?	[06:12]
mircea_popescu	yep	[06:12]
chipug	win, i'm in	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	i think it's pretty much where it;s headed.	[06:13]
chipug	think women have changed their minds about working	[06:16]
ThickAsThieves	so have men tho	[06:16]
asciilifeform	pet wife reading this seems to agree	[06:17]
chipug	this is true, there's too much of an easy other option for them, here anyways	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	chipug not about working per se. but it's like, for 1500 years you're NOT ALLOWED to do X.	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	then whatever, go do it. you discover it's not quite what you imagined it to be	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	settle down	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	life can proceed more balancedly.	[06:18]
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ThickAsThieves	ATC holding steady at 150 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=443108.msg5010750#msg5010750	[06:19]
BingoBoingo	My balance is now, 31,337 I have no reason to acquire more Altcoins or part with any I have	[06:20]
chipug	why the extra 30k BingoBoingo	[06:20]
BingoBoingo	chipug: I'm the guy in the forum thread who bought 30K	[06:21]
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BingoBoingo	Altcoin is flying up, straight into the sun!	[06:21]
ThickAsThieves	http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-BK855_USPS02_E_20140207185423.jpg	[06:21]
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mircea_popescu	o look, the usps dildo	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	it looks... functional.	[06:21]
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mircea_popescu	150 is a large amount of price.	[06:22]
ThickAsThieves	it's a large amount of alt	[06:23]
chipug	i wish i could mine	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	why can't you ?	[06:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I had to separate myself from people who only had 1337. Now with 31337 I have more of something too cool to sell?	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 31337/1337	[06:24]
gribble	23.4382946896	[06:24]
chipug	i'd be as well using a calculator than this laptop mircea_popescu lol	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	lol bitcoin is the ultimate in candy i swear.	[06:24]
mircea_popescu	i imagine there's thousands chipugs out there going eeeeehnnnn!	[06:24]
BingoBoingo	chipug: Scotland still has coal somewhere right?	[06:24]
chipug	lololol	[06:24]
chipug	BingoBoingo: probably	[06:25]
asciilifeform	somebody should dredge up that old javascript miner.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	from '09 (?)	[06:26]
asciilifeform	i'd do it myself but i'm up to my neck in strange.	[06:26]
asciilifeform	(and if some joker already hooked up the asics, it'd be pointless)	[06:27]
ThickAsThieves	so what do you think of "alms" for satoshis	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: Last I checked nethash on alt roughly on par with December 2012 Bitcoin	[06:28]
ThickAsThieves	In Buddhism, alms or almsgiving is the respect given by a lay Buddhist to a Buddhist monk, nun, spiritually-developed person or other sentient being. It is not charity as presumed by Western interpreters. It is closer to a symbolic connection to the spiritual realm and to show humbleness and respect in the presence of the secular society.	[06:28]
punkman1	ThickAsThieves: should call your satoshis "litecoins"	[06:28]
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asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: a tad bit late for the js miner then.	[06:28]
chipug	ThickAsThieves: i prefer this to the other name.. i think it's nicer when there's a meaning behind names for things.	[06:28]
chipug	was it alters or something	[06:29]
ThickAsThieves	punkman1, lol	[06:29]
ThickAsThieves	but both have meaning	[06:29]
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BingoBoingo	Maybe I should go to Sochi and mine stray Doges	[06:30]
chipug	i think this one is more fitting?	[06:30]
copumpkin	BingoBoingo: much sad :( wow	[06:30]
ThickAsThieves	actually	[06:30]
chipug	are there less people turned up to sochi than normally do for the olympics?	[06:31]
ThickAsThieves	alter = change = fractions of an altcoin	[06:31]
ThickAsThieves	it means change LITERALLY	[06:31]
chipug	^ fair point	[06:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.0055 = 0.44 BTC	[06:33]
the20year2	Two more hookers for me	[06:33]
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the20year2	we've raised enough money today to hold a pretty serious party, like a big bag of blow	[06:33]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[06:36]
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BingoBoingo	I wonder what sort of transport I'd need to move 31337 doges mined in Sochi?	[06:39]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: pack the skins in a crate?	[06:39]
punkman1	dogesled of course	[06:39]
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BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: That might be the most efficient option.	[06:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.0008 = 0.16 BTC [+]	[06:40]
asciilifeform	besides, they needn't travel far. chinese will 'convert them to rabbits and squirrels' for hatters.	[06:40]
mircea_popescu	isn't the doge some japan dog ?	[06:40]
chipug	shiba inu	[06:40]
copumpkin	a.k.a. shiba dog	[06:41]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: They probably pay better than people trading on Cryptsy do	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	more like a fox than a dog really	[06:41]
mircea_popescu	isn't this the dog that catlicks itself ?	[06:42]
chipug	that's the japanese chin	[06:42]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Yeah, that one	[06:42]
chipug	chin is japanese for cat-like	[06:42]
copumpkin	inu = dog	[06:42]
chipug	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Japanese_Chin_portrait.jpg	[06:42]
chipug	they ^ wash like cats	[06:43]
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mircea_popescu	ow god	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	that's one ugly w/e it was	[06:43]
chipug	lol i know right?	[06:43]
chipug	i really would like one	[06:43]
punkman1	would reddit love anything other than the worst dog?	[06:43]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 maybe an octopus ?	[06:44]
Plaxant	punkman1 my parents have a shibu mix, it's a pretty cool dog.	[06:44]
chetty	an octopus would make a cool pet	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	soo say hi to hplshuehue, who is a specialist endocrynologist from bahia, brazil.	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	chetty i hear they're very smart.	[06:45]
ThickAsThieves	hello hplshuehue	[06:46]
punkman1	i love octopus	[06:46]
punkman1	kinda hard to get it right on the grill though	[06:46]
chipug	punkman1: maybe Ug: http://www.vh1.com/celebrity/bwe/images/2010/12/UGLIEST-DOG-IN-BRITAIN-01.jpg	[06:46]
chetty	and if you get hungry ....	[06:46]
BingoBoingo	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFOEZh1Lbbg	[06:46]
ozbot	Giant Octopus Eats Sharks at Aquarium - YouTube	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	whoa. lasers involved ?	[06:46]
hplshuehue	Thank you, Mr. Mircea Popescu, and thanks everyone for helping the growth/spread/development of bitcoin	[06:46]
chipug	Hello hplshuehue :)	[06:46]
chetty	Hiya hplshuehue	[06:47]
hplshuehue	Hi there	[06:48]
punkman1	hplshuehue: you posted your nickserv password earlier, just in case you didn't notice	[06:48]
hplshuehue	yes	[06:48]
hplshuehue	so lame	[06:48]
hplshuehue	I won´t use that nick anymore	[06:48]
hplshuehue	I gave up a more enthusiastic participation in the brazilian bitcoin community	[06:49]
hplshuehue	sadly because of fear of Leviatan´s heavy hand	[06:49]
punkman1	expecting bad news in Brazil?	[06:51]
chipug	hplshuehue: you should change your password just so no one else can use it either	[06:51]
hplshuehue	right	[06:52]
hplshuehue	let me do so	[06:52]
hplshuehue	;quit	[06:52]
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chipug	oh i didn't mean him to go!	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	now who's gonna fix our glands.	[06:52]
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chipug	lol sorry! i think he will be back!	[06:53]
chipug	let's hope your glands can hold out a bit mircea_popescu :P	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	my sleep glands are inflamed.	[06:53]
chetty	I wanna hear whats up (down) in Brazil	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	so i guess we see about it tomorrow	[06:53]
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herbijudlestoids	yea i get that feeling as well	[15:38]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: thoughts on the freenet distributed WoT?	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	which one is this ?	[15:38]
herbijudlestoids	https://wiki.freenetproject.org/Web_of_Trust	[15:38]
ozbot	Web of Trust - Freenet Wiki	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	what i want is basically like a openID or sign in with Facebook kinda thing but as a WoT	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	afaik nanotube was working on something like this since about 2012. is this his ?	[15:39]
herbijudlestoids	nope	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	then shrug.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	people before tech.	[15:39]
herbijudlestoids	well maybe but i dun think so	[15:39]
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mircea_popescu	(reason i hilited him is cause eventualy once he gets through the logs he can tell me lol)	[15:40]
Vexual	whos in awhat now?	[15:41]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: seems like "invictus" is pushing keyhotee pretty hard for this, blockchain based	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	also, for the people following s.mg progress : working towards finally moving most of the thing into eclipse	[15:41]
ThickAsThieves	keyhotee will fail	[15:42]
ThickAsThieves	the name is horrible	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	o this is that ancient thing that never went nowhere	[15:43]
herbijudlestoids	sounds like there is some room there for something	[15:43]
Vexual	1 am 12 cnad what is this?	[15:44]
ThickAsThieves	oh he also made bitshares	[15:44]
herbijudlestoids	but firstly, how do you convince people to adopt it?	[15:44]
ThickAsThieves	for "Many alt-companies with creative profit models."	[15:44]
ThickAsThieves	you wrap it into bitcoin services	[15:45]
ThickAsThieves	appify it, i dunno	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	lel.	[15:45]
herbijudlestoids	for example, if everyone in -otc continues to use the centralised version, because they dont want to lose their existing rep, then what	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids i will continue to use otc, because i do not use solutions of nobodies.	[15:46]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJbG23qEry8	[15:46]
ozbot	Alby Mangels Adventure Bound THE WHOLE SERIES - YouTube	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	this is the end of any other attempt, full stop.	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	in order to become somebody you become somebody, the steps are laid out	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	THEN you go about making things.	[15:46]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: just in the hypothetical that a somebody made something good	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	this bs where 20something dork "comes up" with some sort of "revolutionary" thing and everyone cares is not unlike manga.	[15:46]
Vexual	cock mouth is always a risk	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	not only it never happens, it never should happen and by god im here to ensure it never does.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids nobody definitely didn't make something good.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	he made something that looks good to idiots.	[15:47]
herbijudlestoids	teehee	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	i tell ye.	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	there's more to "good" than meets the eye	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	it's just that you're new here and haven't gone through the training process	[15:47]
herbijudlestoids	lets just say that you made a nice distributed WoT	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	you did not.	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	you, not you	[15:48]
Vexual	say what?	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lol.	[15:48]
herbijudlestoids	you, mp, not you as in the hypothetical you	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	but it's absurd, i don't code.	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	maybe you paid some other somebody to do it	[15:48]
herbijudlestoids	godanget, i dunno, somebody who you dont think is a retard	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	the very proposition belies fundamental ignorance of the entire thing, which is why i object.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	okay.	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	so you mean "someone in your wot"	[15:48]
herbijudlestoids	so lets say that make it and its good	[15:48]
mircea_popescu	okay.	[15:48]
herbijudlestoids	now how do you drive teh adoptionz	[15:48]
Vexual	mp is very adverse to starting with 0	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	that'd be something i can't explain to you.	[15:49]
herbijudlestoids	im too retarded?	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	but compare and contrast (by which i mean meditate upon) the alt coin with max keiser's alt coin and you'll perhaps you'll come to something.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids no, it's not intelligence you lack, it's the experience that'd inform that intelligence.	[15:49]
Vexual	never too retarded, might have to reword the question	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	well i was gonna say, why is driving adoption so integral to the goal	[15:50]
ThickAsThieves	make it because it's worth being made	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves because people today grow up in this echo chamber	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	"you guise think drugs are cool rite ? cause there's these bath salts here..."	[15:50]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: well if the inertia of the existing system means nobody uses it, then it fails at its fundamental goal of being a distributed WoT that derives its value from having lots of credible ratings	[15:50]
Vexual	mcafee is cool, bathselts arent	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids your fundamental presumption is that everyone is at all times in the position to make anything.	[15:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.19376446 = 3.1002 BTC [+]	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	this is false.	[15:51]
ThickAsThieves	what if you let people port trust, and they get a note on their account	[15:51]
ThickAsThieves	Trust History from OTC WoT*	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	the declaration of love that sunk cleopatra is not something every roman citizen could have made any time they felt like it.	[15:51]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: i was thinking of something like that, maybe you can model existing WoTs as nodes in the graph	[15:51]
ThickAsThieves	maybe our wot sipports wots	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	only cesar and antony, and only at proper times.	[15:51]
Vexual	mcaffee read erowid and pisssed something better	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	most of the possibility of the world is locked away from most people most of the time.	[15:52]
herbijudlestoids	ok well in that case its horizontally compatible and doesnt depend on any adoption, in fact would be quite useful in case for example catastrophe strikes the existing WoT server it might be stored on someone elses computer	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	i have a copy of the current wot. so can you	[15:52]
Vexual	im veetically inept	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	it uses the mpex "make your own backups if you're worried" model	[15:53]
ThickAsThieves	so it's a wot of wots then	[15:53]
Vexual	how does a cardano make mpex better?	[15:53]
ThickAsThieves	maybe each wot chain comes with it's own level of trust too	[15:53]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: do you just wget the viewratings.php?	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	Vexual i have no idea. the disadvantage of making tools for a reason rather than towards a purpose is that it's really up to the users to figure out how to wring all the utility out of them.	[15:54]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: if each WoT is just a node in the graph it can be exactly so	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	linus really had no idea what linux is good for.	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids nono, look in the wiki there's a link to backups	[15:54]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ah ok thx	[15:54]
herbijudlestoids	so you just cron those or somethin	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	within reason.	[15:54]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ok so the existing server eats shit somehow, and you have your backup, someone wants to sell you 50 BTC and they screw you somehow, you want to let others know by giving that person a negative rating but you cant	[15:55]
herbijudlestoids	you have to fire up mpwot.com and convince people to use it	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	wait wait.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	who says i'm trading without a wot ?	[15:56]
Vexual	i will	[15:56]
Vexual	is it a thing?	[15:56]
herbijudlestoids	so the wot goes down and liquidity vanishes?	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	liquidity in the periphery	[15:56]
herbijudlestoids	right, i guess you dont need the wot for everyone	[15:56]
mircea_popescu	this is how financial networks work : when standardisation goes down the periphery eats it.	[15:56]
herbijudlestoids	just people you dont already know	[15:56]
Vexual	soemone at emy sushi	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	which incidentally shows you a different path into why the periphery can not be the standardisation driver	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	which is exactly homologuous to what i said earlier.	[15:57]
Vexual	this can oly be good	[15:57]
herbijudlestoids	teehee you said homo	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	so what youre saying is, the best way to model reputation systems, is like how they work IRL?!	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:57]
Vexual	:)	[15:58]
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Vexual	welsome to earth herbi	[15:58]
herbijudlestoids	anyone know if the existing WoT software is open source?	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	it is.	[15:58]
herbijudlestoids	sounds like all it needs is an extra piece of functionality, so each WoT node can talk to other WoT nodes	[15:58]
herbijudlestoids	and rate them	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	it has that already	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	write an irc bot.	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	talk to gribble.	[15:59]
Vexual	i really wanted to eat that	[15:59]
herbijudlestoids	so ThickAsThieves whats missing?	[15:59]
ThickAsThieves	CSS	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	nothing is missing lol	[15:59]
herbijudlestoids	sounds like functionality is there	[15:59]
ThickAsThieves	as usual	[15:59]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: he was saying just before you came in that he wanted a distributedier WoT	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck, are we stupid or something ? been using this thing for years, i promote it as the solution, something;'s missing ?	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	caus ewhy.	[15:59]
herbijudlestoids	i just assumed the functionality wasnt there	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	yeah well.	[16:00]
ThickAsThieves	so why dont i use wot to log into things?	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	because things suck.	[16:00]
Vexual	coz your house aint amart	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	takes all of five minutes to steal gribble id code.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile all the fuckwitted uk people who spend their time pretending to be women and pretending to be famous and important and into tech	[16:01]
Vexual	i wish i knew hwo at emy sushi	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	spend all their time making retarded websites encouraging little boys to waste their life similarly	[16:01]
herbijudlestoids	so really what you want, ThickAsThieves is a REST API	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	because then if there are many idiots in the same boat it wouldn't have been a waste.	[16:01]
herbijudlestoids	so that people can query whichever shits they want in web services?	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	and i think exactly the same of friedcat and co, too. when i say it's a sad story this is what i mean.	[16:01]
Vexual	theres noone here its proaby still there	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	it may be time to ignore vexual	[16:02]
herbijudlestoids	hes ok	[16:02]
Vexual	bitch	[16:02]
herbijudlestoids	its saturday night here ThickAsThieves :)	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/jpBRyxc.gif	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[16:02]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	that is vexual on the right there	[16:02]
Vexual	tat i wont hold it afainst you	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	your language is foreign to me vex	[16:03]
herbijudlestoids	more specifically, its 1am on a sat night	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	it's 9am here	[16:03]
Vexual	its also not melbourne time here herbi	[16:04]
herbijudlestoids	think im gonna chuck some food in the oven, bbs	[16:04]
Vexual	yeah tat, i put stem cells into germans with no effect	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	i heard	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	mp	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	youre gonna love this	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	http://qz.com/174757/bitcoin-company-offers-stock-denominated-in-bitcoin/	[16:05]
ozbot	Bitcoin company offers stock denominated in bitcoin – Quartz	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	lol derp.	[16:05]
ThickAsThieves	from your friends at quartz!	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	actually from the same fuckwit	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	this is what we're reduced to : i tell him on twitter to get over himself, he's no longer in highschool	[16:05]
Vexual	people go back and read vex logs and come up with stuff like divesify	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	he proceeds to try and prove to the world that no, i am wrong. indeed he is in hs.	[16:06]
Vexual	ha?	[16:06]
Vexual	hs?	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	high school	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	Vexual that place where the government pays for kids airs.	[16:06]
Vexual	oh, lik etokyo?	[16:06]
ThickAsThieves	"“Eventually Bitcoin Kinetics will become a Decentralized Autonomous Organization run completely by smart contracts, 3D printers & shipping centers, making it run on its own."	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	Decentralized Autonomous Organization	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	Decentralized Autonomous Organization	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	welcome to 2011, we needed glbse.	[16:07]
ThickAsThieves	wtf	[16:07]
Vexual	ylang ylang	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves they mean "mpex" and don't know how to say it.	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	seeing how this has been going on for years already.	[16:07]
Vexual	apex and alc	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	why did they just like, throw in 3D printers into that statement	[16:08]
ThickAsThieves	wtf	[16:08]
herbijudlestoids	HAHA	[16:08]
herbijudlestoids	3d printers	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	because words.	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	this is what the periphery does : words.	[16:08]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: teh futyah	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	they wanna be just like nyc.	[16:08]
Vexual	lab	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	they can't be trusted with defining what being nyc actually means, but they can be trusted to implement a very broken, ridiculous version of what they heard it may be like.	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	Xerox should take over 3d printer market while they can	[16:09]
ThickAsThieves	start selling as necessary to business	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	they can't.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	the 3d printer market is composed of no market.	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	but business!	[16:10]
Vexual	when thers a 3d pixma ill but iy	[16:10]
herbijudlestoids	seems quite useful for prosthetics and things like that	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah but it's more the hopes and aspirations of a bunch of nuts and the creative effort of some geeks.	[16:10]
wao-ender	I think 3d printer market is already divided.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	too meristem-y for business yet.	[16:10]
wao-ender	Bigger part is owned by Stratasys	[16:10]
Vexual	hp gave me herpes	[16:10]
ThickAsThieves	yknow it really would suit xerox though	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	wao-ender the trick in this discussion is the hidden axiom that "a bunch of people buying and selling isn't necessarily a market"	[16:11]
Vexual	pew pew pew	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe, on the hardware part of things,	[16:11]
wao-ender	ah, I didnt read whole discuss, sry	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	but in general concepts pose the larger problem. if they did try to take it they may end up doing something idiotic	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	like i dunno, spending all their money on facebook ads.	[16:11]
ThickAsThieves	also xerox has spent a long time becoming a sales and repair company	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	cause of conceptual confusion engendered by the "market"	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	new tech not so much	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	exactly.	[16:12]
Vexual	imagine being a xerox texh	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	cost more to explain to xerox employees wtf this is supposed to be than to just make a new xerox.	[16:12]
Vexual	treporno	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	i was never a xerox tech, but something very close	[16:12]
Vexual	pool cleaner?	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	i did repair my own xerox on several occassions	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	ESTAT machines	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	you should have ignored him when you could. now you're stuck	[16:13]
herbijudlestoids	whats that ThickAsThieves?	[16:13]
Vexual	i would fix the fuck outta those laser printers	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves their health monitor thing ?	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	they are these large format printers that use static (sorta like a xerox) to pattern a coated paper	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	the paper runs a few inches away from ink wells	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	the ink sticks to the paper	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	o	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	then you run the paper with fabric into a rolling heat press	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	to dye sublimate	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	the machines never run perfectly	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	cuz humidity etc	[16:15]
ThickAsThieves	but the prints are quite nice	[16:15]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think they are in use anymore	[16:15]
ThickAsThieves	people use inkjets to same purpose	[16:15]
herbijudlestoids	watch out we got a fuckin printing nerd over here :P	[16:16]
herbijudlestoids	so what were you using it for ThickAsThieves? tshirts or banners or something?	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	nubbins is the same way.	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	tension fabric structures	[16:17]
herbijudlestoids	wutsat	[16:17]
Vexual	tshirts	[16:17]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.google.com/search?q=tension+fabric+structures&espv=210&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&source=lnms&sa=X&ei=eDz2Uu-OIKqysQShg4H4Dg&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1706&bih=876	[16:17]
herbijudlestoids	ah yea	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	o wait. you're the guy that can make us the mesh dome anti-hypersonic-missile defense.	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	it's where i learned that geometry was useful too	[16:18]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:18]
Vexual	big pecks	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	jesus. so i go check trilema awstats. i find out that TO THIS DAY my 2nd most read article is a 2012 romanian language guide for women as to how you suck cock.	[16:19]
Vexual	mp do you actually have a haerum, or is that a joke about the slaves email?	[16:19]
herbijudlestoids	lellll	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	that thing is never going away. "mp ? what, bitcoin, whatever ? nah, this guy is famous because that one time he wrote a cocksucking guide"	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	Vexual i keep slaves.	[16:19]
Vexual	my brain	[16:20]
herbijudlestoids	well the target audience is slightly larger mp, between 50% of the romanian population who are potentially interested (+ gay guys) versus what...0.5% of global pop interested in bitcoin?	[16:20]
ThickAsThieves	i bet straight guys visit the page more than anyone	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	so then .5 * 20 / .005 * 10000	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	seems to me...	[16:20]
herbijudlestoids	maybe 0.5% is too much, thats 30 million people, you took me literally sir	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	well, if you model the same way it's 50% vs 100%	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	because all people are interested in bitcoin the way all women are interested in sucking it.	[16:22]
ThickAsThieves	"We have received positive reply from Havelock and an application form. Business plan is under development."	[16:23]
Vexual	i do some handy rope work	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i guess that sums it up.	[16:23]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[16:23]
ThickAsThieves	IPO first, questions later	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	it's remarkable how little people understand of what they're actually saying.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	it's almost as if they have no business training at all.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	kramerica industries ftw!	[16:23]
ThickAsThieves	training, they havent left the house	[16:24]
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Vexual	ill invert some braid like it was made like that	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	that's ambiguous. do you mean as in otaku or do you mean as in, still being underage.	[16:24]
herbijudlestoids	a solitary man with a messy apartment which may or may not contain a chicken	[16:24]
ThickAsThieves	i mean they havent done drugs and been in a porno	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	Vexual you know there's a lot of aussie chicks into being roped up.	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ahahaha win.	[16:24]
Vexual	yeah they don't pay for good ropework	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	they could all call themselves buck naked	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	and then we could have buck naked does X obscure town in kanuckistan, volume 75984576985	[16:25]
herbijudlestoids	buck in kanuck	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	Vexual maybe they pay in kind.	[16:25]
Vexual	i mainly do boats	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	vexual's crochet yacht ?	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	(all new material) ?	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	so blockr.io won't host an ATC block explorer, yet	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves says who ?	[16:26]
Vexual	yes, i can read japanese too	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	the staff	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[16:26]
herbijudlestoids	porncoin	[16:26]
herbijudlestoids	boobcoin	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	"I'm not familiar how coinmarketcap.com works but I was certain I'd find you there. Did you not request to be added there?	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	"	[16:26]
herbijudlestoids	ghmm, nope	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	also	[16:26]
ThickAsThieves	"Unfortunatelly that's almost all that we've done. And there's so much more we want to do with blockr. So we made a decision to stop adding new coins for some time."	[16:27]
Vexual	pictures and shit	[16:27]
ThickAsThieves	"We'll add new features to blockr and then we'll proceed with second phase of adding coins. Blockr is modular and ATC doesn't seem to be problematic to add. We'll make a public announcement when phase II starts."	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves sounds to me like you got support. give it a few.	[16:27]
Vexual	if you want the real alt you dont wanna be in every marketplace	[16:28]
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ThickAsThieves	yeah no need to force it	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	just putting it out there	[16:28]
ThickAsThieves	an explorer will be nice	[16:29]
Vexual	got a server?	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	a couple	[16:29]
Vexual	i cant afford underpants	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	Perlboy bugpowder went and explained it to people on the forum ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?PHPSESSID=jvs9l9mqvr6d3hnql5bfs445b1&topic=449354.msg4959357#msg4959357 ) and it has been discussed here in public plus a bunch of kids with blogs wanted to "interview" me or w/e.	[16:29]
herbijudlestoids	Vexual: ill host your underpants	[16:29]
the20year	the20year1 TheSeven thestringpuller ThickAsThieves thoa_afk	[16:30]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: whats the link for altcoin again?	[16:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves was blockchain.info os ?	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	www.therealaltcoin.org	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	the source is in the forum link	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	os?	[16:31]
herbijudlestoids	open source	[16:31]
Perlboy	mircea_popescu, appreciate the answer so thanks. So in summary someone gambled the price would goto 4000->5000 by end of February?	[16:31]
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ThickAsThieves	oh	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	i doubt it	[16:31]
ThickAsThieves	ill dig	[16:31]
kakobrekla	tat blockr will add atc	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	Perlboy nah, it's a lot finer than that. basically gambled price will go up	[16:31]
Perlboy	cause that's the way bugpowders response read.	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	magically THE NEXT FUCKING DAY the price went down	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	Perlboy naked puts work like this : you make money by the price rising up to your strike. so in the 800-5k per interval, the puts slowly made money for the seller.	[16:32]
herbijudlestoids	Perlboy: i tried to explain it to nubbins yesterday (in depth) if you wanna look through the logs	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	obviously in the 0-800 interval they lose money.	[16:32]
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ThickAsThieves	tat blockr will add atc --- you know them?	[16:33]
kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves , i talked to mah bois after you got dumped	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	word	[16:33]
Perlboy	herbijudlestoids, yep k, will grep	[16:33]
herbijudlestoids	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2014#486309	[16:33]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[16:33]
Perlboy	mircea_popescu, let me go log read rather than waste more of your time..	[16:33]
Vexual	tat you're doing it wrong	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	i need to fire up my wot again, it's been a long time	[16:33]
Perlboy	:)	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	someone needs to dig up mpoe-pr's old posts	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	she included graphs for womenz and other visual thinkers.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	i think they help a lot, personally.	[16:33]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: you can just google short put to see the payoff graphs for it ;)	[16:34]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gl83mI69nX4	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	oh. yeah, in retrospect, she did graphs for the mining diff complex hedge thing, not for this.	[16:34]
ozbot	Lupe Fiasco - Kick Push (Video) (Album Version) - YouTube	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	nm.	[16:34]
Vexual	price it like hydro	[16:35]
Vexual	water	[16:35]
herbijudlestoids	ok foods ready, imma go back to my movie, hope the explanation doesnt burn your eyes Perlboy	[16:36]
Perlboy	herbijudlestoids, hehe, it did a little bit but i'll read it again tomorrow	[16:36]
Vexual	what u watching finserv?	[16:37]
Perlboy	for me i'm just trying to understand the instrument, definitely the most complex i've seen in btc space	[16:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.52 = 1.56 BTC [-]	[16:38]
Vexual	which instrument?	[16:38]
herbijudlestoids	those short puts everyone is gibbering about	[16:38]
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Vexual	herbi what movie?	[16:41]
herbijudlestoids	donnie brasco	[16:41]
Perlboy	Vexual, assbot puts	[16:42]
Perlboy	:)	[16:42]
Vexual	never herd that sentece before old man	[16:43]
ThickAsThieves	worst web design ever https://www.coins-e.com/	[16:45]
ThickAsThieves	dat grid	[16:45]
ThickAsThieves	stare at it for a minute then try seeing	[16:46]
Vexual	who ate my sushi?	[16:46]
Vexual	i havent seen a human for a month	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	are any of these altcoin exchanges from someone trustworthy?	[16:47]
Vexual	anyone got an ameail for belushi?	[16:47]
ThickAsThieves	;;google belushi email address	[16:47]
gribble	The Jim Belushi Website: ; Jim Belushi (JimBelushi) on Twitter: ; Windy City Native Jim Belushi's Newest Role: Chicago Bears Fan In ...:	[16:47]
Vexual	you need an atc btc exchange	[16:49]
kakobrekla	i had one coded	[16:49]
ThickAsThieves	yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites	[16:49]
Vexual	cant call it the altcoin zand hope for cryptsy	[16:49]
kakobrekla	if onle i could find sauce	[16:49]
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ThickAsThieves	let's get listed on mcxnow so everyone can get robbed! no thanks	[16:50]
wao-ender	:D	[16:53]
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Vexual	theyre taken the salami	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	everywhere they go	[16:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.516 = 1.032 BTC [-]	[17:00]
Vexual	im devestated	[17:00]
herbijudlestoids	lost yer beer again?	[17:01]
Vexual	noome ghost hoas been in my fridge and just left the cheeze	[17:01]
mircea_popescu	yes, but i feel dirty telling people to go to these sites << this is a problem.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	tho, let them learn to otc.	[17:02]
Vexual	its nit even an internet fridge	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	not like everyone has to have alt nao.	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust Apocalyptc	[17:04]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptc: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptc \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptc \| Rated since: never	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;gettrust Apocalyptic	[17:05]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask Apocalyptic!~Apocalypt@unaffiliated/apocalyptic. Trust relationship from user ThickAsThieves to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=ThickAsThieves&dest=Apocalyptic \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Apocalyptic \| Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/on-periphery-and-the-peripheral-ephemerides-are-also-mentioned/	[17:56]
ozbot	On periphery and the peripheral. Ephemerides are also mentioned. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Pope	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	pretty much the earlier log, with ample commentary	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids gets it pretty bad :D	[17:57]
kakobrekla	give him some time, he is new	[18:02]
Duffer1	It’s just that you’re new here and haven’t gone through the training process.vi	[18:03]
Duffer1	>.<	[18:03]
Duffer1	better to learn before than after	[18:03]
kakobrekla	ah right, i commented just the comments havent read through	[18:03]
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Duffer1	oh i was referring to the training process footnote hehe	[18:04]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 284821 \| Current Difficulty: 2.6214044530646152E9 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 286271 \| Next Difficulty In: 1450 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 30 minutes, and 20 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 3056142038.47 \| Estimated Percent Change: 16.58415	[18:10]
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herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: if that's me "getting it bad" then im happy to get it so, i prefer the discussion, or at the very minimum to be able to hear and consider new viewpoints	[18:15]
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Duffer1	read footnote xiii	[18:21]
Duffer1	i would call that getting it bad	[18:21]
herbijudlestoids	lol im craig wood now?	[18:22]
herbijudlestoids	who is craig wood?	[18:22]
Duffer1	ciphermine/ciphertrade "ceo"	[18:22]
Duffer1	MtF trans	[18:23]
herbijudlestoids	ok...so whats that to do with me?	[18:23]
herbijudlestoids	that bit of the conversation was with ThickAsThieves?	[18:23]
Duffer1	oh i didn't mean to imply it did	[18:23]
Duffer1	just an example of someone that "got it bad"	[18:23]
Duffer1	does that make sense?	[18:24]
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herbijudlestoids	hehe i guess so. i feel like im getting what i want out of conversations (mostly) on this chan, so happy for it to be blogged or whatever	[18:26]
Duffer1	hang around. learn much. wow	[18:26]
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herbijudlestoids	Duffer1: i keep in contact with my ex boss...showed him some of the logs from this chan, he said and i quote "sounds like youve finally found some people who can keep you occupied"	[18:27]
Duffer1	hehe	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids that's what sane people say.	[18:28]
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herbijudlestoids	Diablo-D3: did i? lol i was in the conversation, was there a facet of me getting told that i missed	[18:29]
herbijudlestoids	haha ok, maybe i missed something	[18:29]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. i love you all!	[18:30]
kakobrekla	and you still want mp to take lsd	[18:31]
herbijudlestoids	the message i took away was that theres no real reason to change from the existing WoT, which i assumed wasnt distributed, because ThickAsThieves said he wanted a more distributedy WoT	[18:31]
herbijudlestoids	kakobrekla: well itd certainly make conversations about why people might try it a little easier	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:32]
herbijudlestoids	but no i dont necessarily want him to try it, i dont have some kind of dogma where everyone should try drugs or whatever	[18:33]
asciilifeform	did someone actually explain how one might build a working 'distributed wot' or merely insisted that it must be done?	[18:34]
herbijudlestoids	yea, i was proposing some things before mircea_popescu showed up, his log only starts from there	[18:34]
herbijudlestoids	nothing especially genius	[18:35]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: but it sounds like the existing WoT is already distributable	[18:35]
asciilifeform	distributable != distributed	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform it's not a trivial problem, a distributed wot.	[18:37]
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mircea_popescu	a trusted wot so far wins on practical grounds. not that i think it's a bad idea a proper distributed implementation should be made	[18:37]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: certainly not. which is why i was somewhat surprised to hear of it	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	in fact afaik that's what nanotube's been working on	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	the only thing is... it has to be done well, as opposed to just done so someone can go to conferences herpderping about 3d printed wots	[18:38]
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asciilifeform	the 'trivial solution' would be, somewhat obviously: everybody pgp-signs all wot ops, and people simply mirror the results	[18:39]
mircea_popescu	cybil	[18:39]
asciilifeform	(anyone can download the history and re-tally the scores.)	[18:39]
asciilifeform	the wot as we have it now is perfectly sybil-able	[18:40]
asciilifeform	hence the precaution, explained to all newcomers, of ignoring absolute scores and looking at the 'who'	[18:40]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: from what i understand the existing each "centralised" WoT can talk to other WoTs, and assign trust to them http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-02-2014#490339	[18:40]
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mircea_popescu	yes, but, sy1's rating of sy2 does not carry my signature	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	and i wouldn't want to pgp sign it either	[18:41]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids well, technically, they'd have to talk to it, but yes.	[18:42]
herbijudlestoids	they? it?	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	they = other wots ; it = this wot.	[18:43]
herbijudlestoids	yea, yep	[18:43]
herbijudlestoids	thats the way im visualising it in my head now	[18:43]
herbijudlestoids	multiple connected "small worlds"	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	sounds like a winner, really.	[18:43]
herbijudlestoids	^	[18:43]
herbijudlestoids	from what you said earlier, i assumed its possible already without any additoinal code	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	much better to have decentralised city-states run by one man	[18:43]
herbijudlestoids	did i misunderstand?	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	than to have either world empire run by one man or world bureaucracy	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids well, the aditional code would be they need to talk to gribble.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	the code is already written tho.	[18:44]
herbijudlestoids	right...so yea...	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	yeah.	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	it's fargo two and they'll shoot it all in la...	[18:45]
herbijudlestoids	asciilifeform: so, yea? yea.	[18:46]
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herbijudlestoids	so gribble is officially the -otc bot right, not the -assets bot?	[18:47]
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mircea_popescu	assbot is the assets bot run by kakobrekla.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	gribble is the bitcoin bot, run by nanotube, who's been kind enough to add it here.	[18:47]
mircea_popescu	ozbot i think is scrat's ? or who run that ?	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	and mpexbot is run by smickles	[18:48]
assbot	dude, i run kakobrekla.	[18:48]
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mircea_popescu	that too.	[18:48]
herbijudlestoids	but only gribble is the arbiter for WoT right? like gribble connects to same backend as -otc website?	[18:49]
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mircea_popescu	yes.	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	it's a good interface because freenode is ddos resistent	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	and irc bots are really not that hard to talk to	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	jezzz runs ozbot	[18:50]
herbijudlestoids	so lets say i want to run ozWoT, for cool oz kids like myself, and i clone the code off github (or wherever it lives) and setup my own gribblesque bot, users talking to my bot should be able to rate users through gribble and vice versa	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	vice versa i doubt	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	but i guess if you keep cloning the wot you may display more or less in sync results independently	[18:51]
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herbijudlestoids	so all the extra bots are periphery	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	course it's... "independently"	[18:51]
herbijudlestoids	so if the -otc WoT goes down, then users of my WoT can still rate other users in the same web, and interrogate the local cache of the -otc WoT, but they cant push ratings around the graph (outside the local WoT)	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids gribble will see an "ozwot" guy, and that "ozwot" guy will be rating people in wot	[18:52]
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mircea_popescu	and wot users who actually wish to rate people in ozwot would talk to ozbot	[18:53]
herbijudlestoids	right right, ok so gribble can at best assign trust to the ozwot guy rather than individuals within	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	it wouldn't particularly assign trust to the gateway	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	no reason you want that, really, i know it's a gateway, woting it is meaningless.	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	(look at gribble's own rating, or	[18:53]
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herbijudlestoids	right	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust paypal	[18:53]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user paypal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -2 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=paypal \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=paypal \| Rated since: Sat Aug 25 19:56:10 2012	[18:53]
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mircea_popescu	then once enough people actually want to rate someone in ozwot they'll keep bitching at nanotube who will eventually add a back flow.	[18:54]
herbijudlestoids	so users of ozwot can query both local and -otc wot members (and any others in the list i guess), but gribble users have to query two WoTs to get the same coverage	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	or else he won't, and if the people hate it enough wot will die out	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	all natural.	[18:54]
herbijudlestoids	yea, seems ok to me...	[18:54]
mircea_popescu	the only drawback is that it's not instantaneous, which makes it "unrevolutionary"	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	which in turn makes it great.	[18:55]
herbijudlestoids	i mean as a method of distributing the WoT	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[18:55]
herbijudlestoids	i downloaded a chinese gangster movie but it has no subtitles :(	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	pop in The Wall?	[18:57]
herbijudlestoids	i dont know cantonese or mandarin either :(	[18:57]
Duffer1	lol TaT	[18:58]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: hmmm though ok... "ozwot guy" cant rate users through gribble unless it has a rating...	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	as far as the wot distribution problem, i think i have an idea, outside services that integrate with it	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	like, a social media site	[18:58]
ThickAsThieves	wotbook	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	some way to get interfaces and easy use	[18:59]
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herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: so hax elgg to query gribble	[18:59]
herbijudlestoids	and then host that elgg	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	asking the wrong guy	[19:00]
herbijudlestoids	shit 4am	[19:00]
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ThickAsThieves	people would probably eat up a wotbook right now, could even kill bitcointalk	[19:01]
ThickAsThieves	cuz community and being a part of something	[19:02]
Duffer1	that's quite an interesting idea	[19:03]
herbijudlestoids	the problem is do people in the wot want to "socialise"	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	no	[19:05]
herbijudlestoids	like if i bought some BTC off you one time and rated you, now youre in my wotbook feed?	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	thats not the problem at all	[19:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.0008553 = 1.6251 BTC [+]	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	so opposite	[19:05]
ThickAsThieves	this isnt about trying to get people who already use wot to use wot	[19:05]
herbijudlestoids	right now the WoT is based on business transactions, youre proposing something where people just build a social graph	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	well, a reputation ledger	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	an identity	[19:07]
herbijudlestoids	so, not wotbook then	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	well depends which part of the idea you mean	[19:07]
herbijudlestoids	the existing WoT is a reputation ledger.	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	wotbook was to help distibution	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids yes but all it needs is a 1	[19:07]
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herbijudlestoids	it?	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the drivers of btctalk are scamming and derping.	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids dude you highlighted me first!	[19:09]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: ah right, yep	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[19:09]
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mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-fargochannel	[19:09]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: what im trying to say is, if the reputation ledge is built on the back of wotbook then its just a social graph.	[19:09]
herbijudlestoids	i vote my mate joe up because hes my mate joe!	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids you read mpoe-pr's post re wot and how to use it ?	[19:10]
herbijudlestoids	not because joe delivered 100 BTC to me successfully	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	sounds like btctalk alright.	[19:10]
herbijudlestoids	mircea_popescu: nope havent...i got a WoT account and messed with gribble on it already	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	i vote my mate joe up because hes my mate joe! --- this person will get rep with people that value that	[19:11]
herbijudlestoids	ThickAsThieves: i think the reputation ledger has value specifically because its business transactions	[19:11]
ThickAsThieves	you cant start discerning between which ratings are meaningful or not yourself, thats the whole point of the damn system	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	there you go.	[19:11]
ozbot	Reputation system?	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	solve the problems independently, as in	[19:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.52995492 = 2.1198 BTC [+] {3}	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	okay you wanna discern business trust from social trust?	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	let people categorize	[19:12]
herbijudlestoids	just got this sms: NOTICE: your mobile no. has been singled out for a claim of 800,00GBP from Android Mobile UK contact us on androiduk@live.co.uk for more	[19:12]
herbijudlestoids	im gonna be rich, so long suckers!	[19:13]
mircea_popescu	cya	[19:13]
Duffer1	isn't @live the microsoft system?	[19:14]
Duffer1	xbox etc..	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	nm that.	[19:14]
herbijudlestoids	lel	[19:15]
herbijudlestoids	Duffer1: also i live in australia and dont own an android mobile?	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	australia is part of the uk no ?	[19:15]
Duffer1	sounds legit	[19:15]
herbijudlestoids	har	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	you got the queen and everything dontcha ?	[19:15]
herbijudlestoids	yea	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	so then.	[19:16]
herbijudlestoids	we still a commonwealth	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	that;s what they told you.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	you're living in a dictatorship	[19:16]
herbijudlestoids	dont take it literally, its just what they call it	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	https://nobs.is i made an account for the hell of it	[19:16]
ozbot	NOBS - Cryptocurrency Social Network - The Global Village	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	a self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	waiting for admin approval	[19:16]
herbijudlestoids	like Great Britain..is it really so great?	[19:16]
ThickAsThieves	only working site i found claiming to be social network for crypto	[19:17]
ThickAsThieves	whatever that means	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	dear channel, allow me to recount my sad story.	[19:17]
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mircea_popescu	it is a story of hope, blogging and unbridled enthusiasm, in which I, a crookeyed optimist, tried to use my five year old heavily modified wordpress installation to post things.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	part and parcel of this being showing the people tits. until one day!	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	for one day, when i went to add a new pair of tits, the "insert image" button simply redirected me to a random page of my blog	[19:18]
*	herbijudlestoids suppresses his lels	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	instead of taking me back to the publishing box with the pre-prepared html code referencing the image	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and i was mighty sad	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and i cursed	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and swore	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and made the poor unfortunate junior dev read my entire installantion, in spite of it not having been modified, to find wtf	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and then made a junior sysadmin look through the logs	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and they found nothing and i was livid with fury	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	and i broke a keyboard into pieces	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	because motherfucking god almighty if it works today and it doesn't work tomorrow i wish the world entire to burn.	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	and so they wrote me a thing to go around it.	[19:20]
*	ThickAsThieves the music stops	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	a month later, i couldn't connect to my blog. like at all.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	and i was in the middle of the posting.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	which made me furious.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	but then people were wtf are you about, i see it	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	and lo and behold! for i saw with mine owne eyes downforeveryone saying lelz at me	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	so then i screamed obscenities in a lengthy single breath of fifty eight minutes	[19:21]
*	herbijudlestoids covers childrens ears	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	and eventually we discovere dthe newly installed mod_security comes with rules now.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	which rules block fucking wordpress from injecting itself with itself	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	which is how it works	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	also joomla	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	because security	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	and because updates	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	and because damn it all to hell WHAT IS THIS!	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	~ fin ~	[19:22]
herbijudlestoids	lelel	[19:22]
*	ThickAsThieves shakes his head empathetically	[19:22]
ThickAsThieves	so do you still use wordpress?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[19:23]
kakobrekla	!b 60	[19:23]
assbot	Last 60 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1593008/plain/)	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	kako you beat me!	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you of course missed all the /me stuff, which is half the value here.	[19:23]
Duffer1	that was a pretty good bit	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 i made it up!	[19:24]
kakobrekla	yeah ill fix dat	[19:24]
herbijudlestoids	its like teh biblez	[19:24]
Duffer1	the /me stuff really brought it home	[19:24]
kakobrekla	sathaph alrady	[19:24]
herbijudlestoids	this channel is as bad for my sleep habits as GTA5 was	[19:25]
herbijudlestoids	even vex has gone to bed	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	yes but vex drinks	[19:26]
herbijudlestoids	yea alright, this is it. goodnight gentlemenz and womanz	[19:26]
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mircea_popescu	if you had that experience you'd sleep better.	[19:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1230 @ 0.00085771 = 1.055 BTC [+]	[19:27]
pankkake	"I think this coin really needs an official exchange rate"	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	say "no because unlike the others this is decentralised"	[19:28]
BingoBoingo	Apparently after I bought Altcoins at 150, the next buyer went at 180. Looks like Altcoin is growing up into a real, bubbly Altcoin.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	wait so i could sell for a profeet ?	[19:30]
ThickAsThieves	nobody likes a skinny Santa	[19:30]
pankkake	I hope so, I mined it to become rich	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	i didn't mine it but i bought some to be cool	[19:30]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Prolly. So far the big liquidity providers are all selling though.	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	also to stick it to ThickAsThieves who doesn't have any	[19:31]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you wish you took max keiser's advice and bought it when it was 80 don't you now!	[19:31]
BingoBoingo	If the Dogers push it past 1000 satoshis per I might part with my 31337	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	no one will sell to me	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo weren't they freefalling from 200 ?	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	even before you	[19:31]
kakobrekla	where are you pulling these numbers from	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe if you put a shoe on head ?	[19:32]
ThickAsThieves	maybe	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla i have a rng.	[19:32]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Doge seems to be. If they can get the joke though the Doge users might start pumping Altcoin though.	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i always thought what ThickAsThieves was trying to accomplish with those coelho quotes is make it sound esl enough for the doge crowd.	[19:33]
kakobrekla	doesnt seem so random to me!	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	lies	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	and slander.	[19:33]
kakobrekla	fu	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	eh go make an ice cube	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	slovenia's new export industry.	[19:33]
kakobrekla	i dont need to make those, they come out when i turn on the shower	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: So do I. Dogers are probably waiting for some sort of exchange-ish thing because grepping WoT and OTC is hard for them, because reading	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	wait, all slovene women had to wash in cold water after sex these past weeks ?	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	the whole... what was it, 19 of them ?	[19:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 19913 @ 0.0001465 = 2.9173 BTC [+] {11}	[19:34]
kakobrekla	yes, 18 now after recount	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which, wouldn't it be cool to live in one of these so called countries in europe or w/e ? when they have like 50 women total	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	one was named Kate?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	and you don't need to ask anyone her phone number, cause they give them consecutive numbers	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	so you just bruteforce it, dial girl01-girl50	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	till you find her.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	ok ppl stop dialing girlxxx	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	it was a joke ok ?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	jesus what if it works for srs.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	brb	[19:37]
KRS-One	http://pastebin.com/BULn0xg5	[19:37]
ozbot	MagicalTux the only viable option for you guys to keep customers after - Pastebin.com	[19:37]
kakobrekla	shit free view : http://pastebin.com/BULn0xg5	[19:38]
kakobrekla	hm	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=BULn0xg5	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	noobs.	[19:38]
kakobrekla	dafuq	[19:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 91 @ 0.0055 = 0.5005 BTC	[19:39]
kakobrekla	something is not right	[19:39]
kakobrekla	dunno whaves nvm	[19:39]
kakobrekla	nsa prolly	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	self ownage more like it amirite	[19:41]
kakobrekla	whats with you picking on the little people	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	shit	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	you weren't supposed to notice that	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	i was wearing the juice!	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	(ref : http://www.omg-facts.com/Interesting/A-Man-Robbed-A-Bank-Wearing-Only-Lemon-J/54879 )	[19:42]
BingoBoingo	Is this the real vexual? http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/02/08/sage_kotsenburg_wins_slopestyle_gold_medal_with_1620_japan_jump.html	[19:42]
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mircea_popescu	lol good for him	[19:46]
mircea_popescu	05:07:57 punkman1: Scuola di Assets http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Sanzio_01.jpg << yay this.	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	one of the better paintings of the renaissance. all those people going "and what is THIS supposed to be then!"	[19:48]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids:now obviously small fry 100GH/s is nothing but i thought it was interesting << no, it's not interesting. the reason is the problem of herding cats.	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	specifically, a farm made out of 5000 individual computers all different would cost more to run than to burn down	[19:56]
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mircea_popescu	just so with a patchwork of miners, god help you if you imagine you can buy random odds and ends off ebay at a nominal profit	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	you'll never be able to squeeze it out operationally.	[19:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 200 @ 0.00469 = 0.938 BTC [-]	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	benkay: baby doll doesn't even care terribly, and boy does she put out when she gets jealous << now you gotta photodocument this.	[19:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] [PAID] 2.17250000 BTC to 86`900 shares, 2500 satoshi per share	[19:59]
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mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids: like the charts you can see on mpex.co already, i just dont think theyre portraying useful info << me either. what's one to do, no pics at all ?!	[20:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.127 = 0.381 BTC [+] {3}	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	herbijudlestoids: 20% was the lowest ROC i found << unless you normalized to some absurd time interval (month ?) 20% is not the lowest.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	the natural time interval for btc is "two weeks" aka 2096 blocks. and there have been eve ndrops.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	there was also a 400% and some 3xxish%	[20:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 52 @ 0.00469 = 0.2439 BTC [-]	[20:09]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 35 @ 0.0055 = 0.1925 BTC	[20:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 60 @ 0.0055 = 0.33 BTC	[20:23]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.0705 = 0.141 BTC [-] {2}	[20:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07198332 = 0.4319 BTC [+] {2}	[20:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.07199999 = 0.432 BTC [+] {2}	[20:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.125 = 0.25 BTC [-] {2}	[20:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.07275 = 0.291 BTC [+] {2}	[20:35]
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mod6	;;view	[20:43]
gribble	#19517 Fri Feb 7 20:10:59 2014 mod6 BUY 100000.0 ATC @ 1.5e-06 BTC (Want to buy 100,000 ATC for a total of 0.15 BTC, must have WoT rating. PM me.)	[20:43]
mod6	hit me up if you want to do a trade for a smaller amt too.	[20:43]
mod6	we can make a deal.	[20:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 5 @ 0.04899998 = 0.245 BTC [+] {3}	[20:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2973 @ 0.00014516 = 0.4316 BTC [-] {4}	[20:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 24 @ 0.0055 = 0.132 BTC	[20:54]
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benkay	good morning	[20:55]
kakobrekla	hi	[20:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.19376446 = 0.3875 BTC [+]	[21:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.19376446 = 0.5813 BTC [+]	[21:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 198 @ 0.003081 = 0.61 BTC [-]	[21:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13201 @ 0.00085708 = 11.3143 BTC [-] {2}	[21:18]
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deadweasel	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZigyrD23rQk	[21:26]
ozbot	Toddlers boxing match gets nasty - YouTube	[21:26]
deadweasel	need to bring this back, asap,, for the children	[21:26]
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mircea_popescu	o ty.	[21:31]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.04897964 = 0.2449 BTC [+]	[21:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 44 @ 0.0030825 = 0.1356 BTC [+]	[21:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.52999999 = 3.71 BTC [+] {5}	[21:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 71 @ 0.00531689 = 0.3775 BTC [+] {10}	[21:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 498 @ 0.000463 = 0.2306 BTC [+]	[21:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 36 @ 0.0030825 = 0.111 BTC [+]	[21:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00085771 = 14.7955 BTC [+]	[21:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.125 = 0.875 BTC [-]	[22:02]
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benkay	you know what's hilarious? biking on six inches of snow is hilarious.	[22:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.19376446 = 3.6815 BTC [+]	[22:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 1 @ 0.121 BTC [-]	[22:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.06890001 = 0.2067 BTC [-]	[22:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.07235 = 0.7235 BTC [+] {4}	[22:51]
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mircea_popescu	http://25.media.tumblr.com/d82a6d16505851e5f4d7be3d2a2320e2/tumblr_mf20j4hXVT1rfc12eo1_400.gif << this could be the bitcoin-assets mascot.	[22:56]
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nubbins`	;;bc,xag	[22:58]
gribble	1 XAG = 20.020000000000 USD = 0.0300555472151 BTC	[22:58]
nubbins`	;;bc,xau	[22:59]
gribble	1 XAU = 1268.100000000000 USD = 1.90376820297 BTC	[22:59]
FabianB	;;ticker --market all	[22:59]
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gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 675.99997, vol: 20519.85822884 \| Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 709.98, vol: 10021.29115479 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 711.0, vol: 9863.89301 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 708.5, vol: 6743.9665196 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 726.0, vol: 0 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 750.797945, vol: 6516.39000000 \| Volume-weighted last average: 701.945034121	[23:00]
benkay	coins on sale, coins on sale	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	actually it went up a lot	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	wasn't it 500ish ?	[23:00]
benkay	no idea, i don't watch the price	[23:01]
nubbins`	bitcoinity bottoms out around 660	[23:01]
benkay	my sample rate is like 1/week	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	ah ok	[23:01]
mircea_popescu	benkay im about the same way	[23:01]
nubbins`	yeah, same here, if that	[23:01]
nubbins`	there comes a point where it doesn't really matter what the price is	[23:01]
punkman1	chinese exchanges seem stuck around $750, http://btckan.com/price	[23:02]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 i still don't know which are at all trustable.	[23:02]
benkay	that'd be the difference between an investor and a trader.	[23:02]
nubbins`	benkay, nod	[23:02]
punkman1	mircea_popescu: we need some chinese dudes	[23:02]
nubbins`	actually	[23:02]
*	nubbins` thinks	[23:02]
nubbins`	which of those two cares about the price?	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 indeed.	[23:03]
mircea_popescu	or at least someone with a weird name.	[23:03]
benkay	i'm thinking sample frequency as indicator, nubbins`	[23:03]
nubbins`	a-ha.	[23:04]
nubbins`	yes, sure	[23:04]
FabianB	davout is the only one in this chan which kinda represents a fiat-btc exchange, no?	[23:04]
benkay	don't think there's much 'kinda' about davout's operation.	[23:05]
mircea_popescu	wasn't kakobrekla running that btcstamp or w/e, slovenian exchange ?	[23:05]
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mircea_popescu	lol someone's watching the logs	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	FabianB you were fluent in mandarin iirc /	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	?	[23:06]
FabianB	benkay: with kinda i didn't mean the exchange itself, just dunno if ceo or whatever role	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	jurov shit i gave the jig away ?	[23:07]
davout	mircea_popescu: pure randomness	[23:07]
FabianB	mircea_popescu: no, i wish, i only know some basics	[23:07]
davout	where is your cardano now?	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[23:07]
pankkake	jurov: yes, thus his 500 BTC car	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	he also runs an icecube factory.	[23:07]
nubbins`	rng based on davout's joins/parts	[23:08]
nubbins`	you know, vexual would make a pretty good meat-based rng	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	just hash what he says ?	[23:08]
pankkake	what he says is made of hash	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	thus therefore, infinite entropy.	[23:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:10]
nubbins`	ooh	[23:10]
nubbins`	this bears further consideration	[23:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00015499 = 0.775 BTC [+] {3}	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	https://31.media.tumblr.com/429db2a5ee3f5d7ad58a28df6aee0b96/tumblr_inline_n04mrqwJgg1rwpb4e.gif	[23:11]
mircea_popescu	nubbins off to further considerate.	[23:11]
Duffer1	ha	[23:12]
davout	jurov: https://twitter.com/Bitcoin_Central/status/403849351564652544	[23:12]
nubbins`	once in korea when hiking in the mountains i stumbled across a small park with 2.5m diameter hula hoops	[23:12]
nubbins`	made out of curved 3" pvc pipe	[23:13]
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nubbins`	brutal on your abs, fun tho	[23:13]
nubbins`	not as fun as mixing metric and imperial units, but hey	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	davout you need better dice than that.	[23:13]
nubbins`	i'm a product of my upbringing	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	just by looking at them i can tell you they're at least 0.1% off	[23:14]
nubbins`	yeah	[23:14]
nubbins`	sorry state of affairs, those pips	[23:14]
davout	mircea_popescu: no more robocop movies for you	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/gRxnT6j.jpg <<< this, for the record, is an actual living creature.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	they just look like that.	[23:15]
deadweasel	http://ponzi.io/	[23:15]
nubbins`	haha yeah!	[23:15]
davout	such antennas, wow	[23:16]
nubbins`	i saw those guys in an attenborough-narrated doc once	[23:16]
nubbins`	always looking happy can be a curse tho, look at dolphins	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov there's a variety of available attacks if the rng is badly biased.	[23:16]
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nubbins`	so the opening ceremonies were quite the spectacle	[23:19]
nubbins`	pretty heavy on the russian beat-off tho	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	who opened ?	[23:19]
nubbins`	olympics	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	o o that.	[23:19]
nubbins`	we drank and counted the number of families that were condemned to death by their relatives fucking up their parts in the ceremony	[23:20]
nubbins`	http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/72839000/jpg/_72839813_72839807.jpg	[23:20]
nubbins`	"the olympic rings"	[23:20]
nubbins`	no, srs?	[23:21]
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nubbins`	parody news	[23:22]
nubbins`	currant vs current	[23:23]
nubbins`	:D	[23:23]
nubbins`	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Black_currant_fruit.jpg	[23:23]
nubbins`	it was easier when it was just the onion	[23:23]
nubbins`	team from bermuda (1 athlete, good for him!) wore red shorts for their uniform. outdoor stadium in russia in february.	[23:23]
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nubbins`	there were no smiles	[23:23]
Duffer1	brilliant	[23:24]
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nubbins`	i'm sure they thought so too when planning it	[23:24]
nubbins`	i'm picturing the canadian team showing up in snowsuits for the next summer olympics	[23:24]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 23 @ 0.00543011 = 0.1249 BTC [+] {4}	[23:25]
B007	mircea_popescu: Do you hold in BTC or Fiat money?	[23:27]
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mircea_popescu	do i hold what.	[23:27]
B007	money	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	right.	[23:27]
B007	right?	[23:27]
B007	so....	[23:28]
nubbins`	HEH	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	therefore.	[23:28]
nubbins`	he asked just in case you wondered whether he held his cock in btc or fiat	[23:28]
B007	my cock? I don't hold my cock	[23:28]
B007	someone else does	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	and they thought surrealism was a 1920s thing. ha! i say.	[23:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.073 = 0.146 BTC [+]	[23:29]
lewicki	it is, after all, hard to get it into your own mouth without some help.	[23:29]
nubbins`	all things are cyclical, some cycles take longer than others	[23:29]
nubbins`	lewicki, try yoga	[23:30]
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B007	I think I just walked into an exclusive club	[23:31]
nubbins`	you know, i honestly wonder sometimes when people give me carte blanche for designing shirts for their band	[23:31]
B007	And I'm ugly	[23:31]
nubbins`	B007, it's irc, everyone is ugly	[23:31]
mircea_popescu	B007 it's not that exclusive, but you gotta ask questions that can be answered.	[23:32]
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nubbins`	honestly, i'm waiting for the day when i show someone a concept and they just ask me what my fucking problem is before walking away	[23:33]
B007	I see some might consider what I asked to be stupid	[23:33]
nubbins`	mildly confused every time it doesn't happen	[23:33]
B007	but you can't buy much with BTC	[23:33]
mircea_popescu	no, it just didn't make any sense.	[23:34]
nubbins`	B007, what do you want to buy with btc that you can't?	[23:34]
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Duffer1	you can buy a lambo with btc	[23:34]
B007	really?	[23:34]
B007	I wonder how the creater feels about all this	[23:35]
B007	the creater of Bitcoin I mean	[23:35]
Duffer1	it's money you can buy stuff with it	[23:35]
nubbins`	^	[23:35]
B007	but is it safer than traditionally fiat?	[23:35]
B007	which doesn't flucuate as much	[23:36]
punkman1	eggs + 1 basket = tears	[23:36]
B007	true	[23:36]
B007	mircea_popescu: I think you have a bunch of 14 yr nude selfies now	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	what's "safer" mean.	[23:39]
B007	more secure	[23:40]
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mircea_popescu	and secure means safer ?	[23:40]
B007	sometimes	[23:40]
punkman1	"Dangers are sum like a kold bath, very dangerous while you stand stripped on the bank, but often not only harmless, but invigorating, if you pitch into them."	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 is this from a new ipo ?	[23:41]
B007	lol	[23:42]
punkman1	sure why not, everything else is IPOing	[23:42]
punkman1	I'm gonna IPO this old book	[23:42]
benkay	http://ponzi.io/	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	ceci n'est pas une IalB	[23:43]
Duffer1	for us proles volatility is a threat atm, whether its more a threat than inflation is your choice, all eggs in one basket = bad	[23:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 45 @ 0.00300605 = 0.1353 BTC [-] {2}	[23:45]
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mircea_popescu	and by choice you really mean call	[23:45]
Duffer1	ya	[23:46]
punkman1	what's an IalB?	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/02/02_goat-a-sordid-story-of-stupid-and-scam.html	[23:46]
ozbot	Goat: A Sordid Story of Stupid and Scam	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	look at that, alliteration!	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	punkman1 introduction a la bourse.	[23:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1503 @ 0.00015349 = 0.2307 BTC [-] {2}	[23:47]
benkay	ya well not all americans are entirely uneducated	[23:47]
B007	I am an American and am entirely uneducated. Point Proved?	[23:47]
punkman1	very proved	[23:47]
benkay	such point	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2751 @ 0.00014677 = 0.4038 BTC [-] {6}	[23:48]
B007	no	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[23:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3318 @ 0.00014544 = 0.4826 BTC [-] {2}	[23:49]
Duffer1	http://bitbet.us/bet/633/bfl-will-ship-before-activemining/ read the comments	[23:49]
ozbot	BitBet - BFL will ship before ActiveMining	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 nobody bet lmao	[23:49]
Duffer1	there's no way to reasonably guess who will win, i don't think that bet will see much action :P	[23:50]
B007	Education is having the abilty to learn	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	benkay "my everlasting shame. Our code is available here:"	[23:50]
mircea_popescu	no code then ?	[23:50]
benkay	wat?	[23:50]
Duffer1	i got water on my keyboard "Cripple Fight!"	[23:50]
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mircea_popescu	benkay grep yer blog!	[23:50]
benkay	dorp	[23:51]
B007	ctrl -f	[23:51]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/BLdYqvd	[23:51]
benkay	how'd that get published!?	[23:51]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[23:51]
nubbins`	thoughts, comments, criticisms?	[23:51]
nubbins`	benkay, anything can get published, trust me	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` he's the editor.	[23:51]
nubbins`	ah. aha.	[23:51]
nubbins`	consider my comment revoked	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	that looks like a butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd.	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	with a skin infection or w/e is going on there off to the left.	[23:52]
nubbins`	bubbles will either go completely or take over the rest of the page	[23:52]
nubbins`	this is for a band t-shirt, in the meantime	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	is the band name "butterfly that snorted coffee grinds thinking they're lsd" ?	[23:53]
nubbins`	"werewoman"	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	close enough.	[23:53]
nubbins`	nod	[23:53]
B007	it looks like the ink had a seizure	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	"Nobody can get inspect your payments if you know what you're doing."	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	dude horrible copyediting.	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	don't you have a girlfriend ?	[23:54]
nubbins`	B007, the ink does occasionally have seizures	[23:54]
nubbins`	you should see the last thing i drew	[23:54]
B007	nubbins`: especially in the heat	[23:54]
nubbins`	cold is a problem too	[23:54]
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nubbins`	humidity as well	[23:55]
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nubbins`	i had TWO pens hemorrhage on me this week	[23:55]
benkay	i do but mircea_popescu is so much better at it.	[23:55]
nubbins`	^ heh	[23:55]
nubbins`	send him a bill	[23:55]
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B007	mircea_popescu: likes to party with lsd	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	indicative of Nefario's future behavior: "Thanks for your ideas guys, I'm going to wrap them all together and not pay out the bounty".	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	ahaha this is pretty lulzy.	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2014/01/31_a-list-of-bitcoin-investments.html	[23:56]
ozbot	A List of Bitcoin "Investments"	[23:56]
B007	mircea_popescu: how rich are you?	[23:56]
mircea_popescu	pretty damned rich.	[23:57]
nubbins`	B007, don't be vulgar	[23:57]
B007	nubbins`: I like being vulgar	[23:57]
nubbins`	evidently, yes	[23:57]
copumpkin	B007: he bought me a bentley for supporting him in the early days	[23:57]
copumpkin	seems pretty generous	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	i did ?!	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	i'm so rich i buy people bentleys i don't even know about.	[23:58]
copumpkin	well, indirectly, in that money I stole from you	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	you did ?	[23:58]
nubbins`	ah, hey, there's an MPEx asset in this list	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	i'm so rich people steal my moneyz i don't even know about.	[23:58]
copumpkin	oh whoops, nevermind	[23:58]
copumpkin	^_^	[23:58]
nubbins`	i was talking with someone about this the other day	[23:58]
B007	thats pretty rich	[23:58]
nubbins`	F.PURE.SYNTH	[23:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 892 @ 0.000151 = 0.1347 BTC [+]	[23:59]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` how's pure.synth related to the hash options tho ?	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	they're different things, the f.pure.synth was a synthetic copy of puremining, the glbse asset run by rosi manifold or w/e the jew's name was.	[23:59]

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