Forum logs for 08 Apr 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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AndroUser	;;ticker	[00:02]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 162.04000, Best ask: 162.70000, Bid-ask spread: 0.66000, Last trade: 162.00000, 24 hour volume: 55812.02397179, 24 hour low: 142.50000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.77611	[00:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.1806 = 18.06 BTC [-]	[00:02]
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ThickAsThieves	$avg	[00:08]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: 151.60	[00:09]
deadweasel	nice.	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.93 = 5.79 BTC [+]	[00:11]
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kakobrekla	>>We are not collecting any money here, this is an idea that will strictly use Bitcoins.	[00:17]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169663.0	[00:17]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla lmao. right.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	because "the people" can do anything they set their mind to.	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	at least just as soon as they find it.	[00:18]
benkay	what do you mean, mircea_popescu?	[00:19]
benkay	apologies if I'm late to the party...	[00:19]
mircea_popescu	not rly, just read the last half dozen lines	[00:20]
benkay	who are you calling "the people"?	[00:20]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169663.0	[00:21]
benkay	i'm reading that. are you talking about everyone in the thread? the individual proposing the thing? the followers?	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	yeah. :)	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	"my full name is David Tenemaza Kramaley - you can look me up in the UK companies house as a registered director. I've been featured in the BBC, Business Insider, The Times, National Geographic, Radio 4, etc... I can proof all of this to serious investors."	[00:21]
mircea_popescu	he's a registered director that can't spell "prove"	[00:22]
benkay	spelling, man	[00:22]
jborkl	and he needs 100 bitcoins.cant afford that he should leave	[00:22]
mircea_popescu	Hello I am son of Prince which I can proof with 40 degree alcohol.	[00:23]
mircea_popescu	You drink it, you see it.	[00:23]
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benkay	hm	[00:23]
benkay	it's not a terribly bad idea, but i see what you mean about the individual.	[00:23]
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mircea_popescu	We need to raise 105 BTC. Each 1.5 BTC buys 1 share in the new business. Max 25 Shares per investor.	[00:23]
benkay	yeah, yeah.	[00:24]
jborkl	maybe he used some of that berechovka that was floating around last year	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 105 / 1.5	[00:24]
gribble	70	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	70 shares, max 25 per investor.	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	isnt this odd ?	[00:24]
jborkl	lol good maf skills also	[00:24]
jborkl	proof his maf	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	The opportunity	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	I'm here to propose a take over of www.bitcoingem.com together. I was made aware that this is the first chain game and by the looks of its traffic stats its pretty well established.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	o for fucks sake.	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	he wants to pay 10k for a gemponzi ?!	[00:25]
benkay	yeah dude	[00:25]
mircea_popescu	he could buy my used socks...	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	i throw them out anyway.	[00:26]
jborkl	someone should ipo all these shitty ideas.oh wait we already did that ...	[00:26]
benkay	this isn't an ipo scale thing	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	no listen to this : "Why do I think we can triple profits?	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	I ran a social games company on Facebook since 2008 to 2012; in the 5 years of operation I made many games. "	[00:26]
mircea_popescu	guy codes but wants to pay 10k for something I could probably werite myself	[00:26]
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benkay	this is the kind of ad hoc business that is enabled by bitcoin	[00:28]
benkay	limited ownership	[00:28]
mircea_popescu	limited connectivity to sanity, more like.	[00:28]
benkay	there is a remote possibilty the gentleman has done this thing before and sees an underutilized asset he can buy low and turn the volume up on.	[00:29]
benkay	with a recognized brand.	[00:29]
benkay	all he really has to do is buy ads	[00:29]
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mircea_popescu	in that case he just makes a lowball offer, buys the site and goes on his way	[00:30]
Troic	I thought the gem thing was a freak novelty gizmo fad, I liked the bitcoin flower better :).	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	if his lowball offer is turned down he puts one guy on the project and has the site replicated by wednesday	[00:30]
benkay	but that's not what homeboy wants to do	[00:30]
benkay	apparently	[00:30]
mircea_popescu	wants. it's not a matter of wants.	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	there's a reason I ipo already functioning sites.	[00:31]
benkay	and that is?	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	anyone's a theoretical entrepreneur	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	practically, you gotta bring something to the table. if you allow this model where the homeboy wants you to pay for his acquisition	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	all he's bringing is a little nigerian skill.	[00:32]
benkay	so?	[00:33]
benkay	and a willingness to do it, and possibly a track record of having done it	[00:33]
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mircea_popescu	i have a lot of trouble believing that.	[00:33]
benkay	oh sure but let's say theoretically	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	theoretically maybe.	[00:34]
benkay	remote chance and all that	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	but yeah, pretty darn remote.	[00:34]
benkay	not the point	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	here's the problem : suppose i'm an investment fund. i have 10k btc.	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	i put 10btc in 1k such projects	[00:34]
mircea_popescu	985 flounder, because they were in fact run by idiots, nigerians and uidiot nigerians.	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	the rermainder 14 will not be able to bring me 10001 btc in total.	[00:35]
benkay	i don't really think he's looking at an investment-caliber round	[00:35]
mircea_popescu	10 btc.	[00:35]
benkay	so you're saying that statistically he's likely to fail. also a thing anyone who puts money into companies should expect.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	no, i'm not saying that statistically he's likel;y to fail	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	i am saying that the statistically expected benefit is degrees of magnitude under the statistically expected loss.	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	as in, a 1 in 1000 shot at making 10% on your investment, and a 999 in 1000 shot at 90% loss of cvapital.	[00:37]
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benkay	of course	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	;;calc (1 * 1.1 + 999 * .1)/1000	[00:37]
gribble	0.101	[00:37]
benkay	if one invested in the idiots	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[00:38]
benkay	but individuals beat the markets all the time by developing expertise	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	well, my expertise tells me this guy is lieing when he claims he had success.	[00:38]
benkay	heh.	[00:38]
benkay	like	[00:38]
benkay	worked in the presence of accidental success?	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00064551 = 10.8446 BTC [-]	[00:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00064501 = 0.8385 BTC [-]	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	ok, that i can buy.	[00:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00064063 = 0.4484 BTC [-]	[00:39]
benkay	individuals can learn a lot by seeing things happen. humans experience the world and evolce.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	seeing requires a relatively clean lens.	[00:39]
benkay	evolve. not that many do* obviously, but it happens.	[00:39]
benkay	a clean lens is not necessarily a requirement for success.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	people who imagine they're being entrepreneurs and in general doods preocupied with posturing and maintaining apparences	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	rarely learn anything.	[00:40]
benkay	but the individuals they mock look very similar to them.	[00:40]
mircea_popescu	ya well...	[00:40]
benkay	i wish i could meet the guy	[00:41]
benkay	mostly because i'm trying to develop expertise in the evaluating of people thing	[00:41]
benkay	what sorts of things do you invest in, mircea_popescu?	[00:41]
mircea_popescu	anything that makes sense	[00:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.28 BTC [-]	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.276 = 0.552 BTC [-]	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2716 = 0.8148 BTC [-]	[00:43]
benkay	ugh there is a video about him	[00:43]
bitesak	;;ticker	[00:43]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 164.10000, Best ask: 164.89994, Bid-ask spread: 0.79994, Last trade: 164.10000, 24 hour volume: 57855.56993253, 24 hour low: 142.51000, 24 hour high: 164.90000, 24 hour vwap: 153.31309	[00:43]
mjr___	and here i was being nervous about 164 call...	[00:44]
mjr___	lol	[00:44]
AndroUser	Learn to do the opposite of what you feel ;	[00:46]
ThickAsThieves	can always go down	[00:46]
MJR__	both are true	[00:46]
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MJR__	that's why I got the 164 calls in the first place...calls haven't let down so far	[00:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.93 BTC [+]	[00:47]
AndroUser	It will go down, but when..	[00:47]
AndroUser	Hence a strategy with calls, puts and holding in a combination that makes sense no matter what happens	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136490667277.jpg	[00:50]
AndroUser	You cheeky cheeky	[00:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[00:51]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 14 @ 0.00338 = 0.0473 BTC [+]	[00:54]
MJR__	mircea_popescu: nice	[00:56]
thestringpuller	$avg	[00:56]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: 152.20	[00:56]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: I feel as though you are an opponent to education because of the tendency for the young's reluctance to "listen"	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	i'm an opponent to free education, and also to nonviolent education.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	if you only educate about half the kids, and beat the shit out of about half of those it works nicely.	[00:58]
thestringpuller	yes, you would use corporal punishment on individuals, they get 4 lashes everytime they tell you the integral of 2X is X^2 instead of X^2+C	[00:59]
thestringpuller	:P	[00:59]
MJR__	lol	[00:59]
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mircea_popescu	nah.	[01:01]
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mircea_popescu	they get dunked into the riever every time they say "I feel what the author really means"	[01:01]
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jurov	bitcoin-central.net pretty much died.. spread 80-120 eur	[01:02]
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mircea_popescu	jurov not open for trading yet is it ?	[01:02]
thestringpuller	jurov: wha?	[01:03]
AndroUser	Its open tomorrow	[01:03]
AndroUser	Its read only now	[01:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7827 BTC [+]	[01:03]
jurov	ah ic	[01:03]
thestringpuller	did the coinlab deal with mtgox fall through?	[01:04]
AndroUser	With orders close to mkt price cancelled	[01:04]
jurov	On Sunday, April 7th at 11:00PM CET/Paris Time, full trading will resume with the ability to create and cancel buy and sell orders.	[01:04]
AndroUser	Fair enough	[01:05]
jurov	so at least orders could be able to get placed now	[01:05]
jurov	or in a hour	[01:05]
mircea_popescu	ya something like that.	[01:05]
AndroUser	Its passed already 11h	[01:06]
AndroUser	Good night! We survived another day in bitcoin land	[01:06]
ThickAsThieves	So we're lookin at 175-180 tomorrow it seems	[01:07]
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jurov	lol i'm actually in the same timezone.. just confused by summertime	[01:07]
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jurov	;;asks 179.99	[01:08]
gribble	There are currently 6231.4017 bitcoins offered at or under 179.99 USD, worth 1061300.05165 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0015 seconds	[01:08]
mjr___	its crazy to see all the tiny amounts of bitcoin i have left across the web	[01:13]
mjr___	different mining pools and exchanges	[01:13]
mjr___	i think they may need to lower the sending threshhold eventually	[01:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.407 = 0.814 BTC [-]	[01:15]
thestringpuller	!ticker havelock him	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.82000000 / 1.84970968 / 1.93000000 (31 shares, 57.34100000 BTC), 7D: 1.82000000 / 1.90441977 / 2.06000000 (86 shares, 163.78010000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.85548093 / 2.08000000 (682 shares, 1265.43799220 BTC)	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards/#comment-92655	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	we have winners.	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.30999999 BTC [+]	[01:20]
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thestringpuller	okay mircea_popescu is officially the rubber band man	[01:26]
thestringpuller	img macro to ensue	[01:27]
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mjr___	i kinda wish you and vexare had continued in english	[01:30]
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mjr___	it was starting to look interesting	[01:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7888 BTC [+]	[01:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.7889 = 4.7334 BTC [+]	[01:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.4 = 4 BTC [+]	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	i was just telling him off.	[01:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [+]	[01:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.40888888 = 0.8178 BTC [+]	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	english just doesn't deliver under the telling off rubric.	[01:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7889 BTC [+]	[01:32]
MJR__	nice	[01:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 63 @ 0.0042 = 0.2646 BTC [-]	[01:33]
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jurov	mircea, deposits please :)	[01:36]
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kakobrekla	;;goxlag	[01:38]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).	[01:39]
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jurov	it could have said something about sending bitcoins via quantum entanglement	[01:40]
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mircea_popescu	jurov you know i don't highlight on mircea	[01:43]
jurov	yea it's not so urgent	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	haha k	[01:44]
Bowjob	rape adria	[01:44]
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jurov	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-bitcoiners-press-manual/#comment-92651	[01:50]
jurov	^^^ deep metaphysical discussion culminated by wisdom "for mating purposes, world population count doesn't matter"	[01:50]
mjr___	jurov: lol	[01:51]
jurov	and everything else is akin to mating anyway	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	isn't it ?	[01:52]
jurov	undecided on it	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	so it IS deep metaphysical discussion :D	[01:52]
jurov	indeed	[01:52]
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dub	lol http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/34781	[02:00]
dub	I say old chap. Down with this sort of thing!	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	Responsible department: Department for Culture, Media and Sport	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.emmaharriett.co.uk/ ?	[02:02]
dub	dunno https://twitter.com/EmmaHarriett too was looking for bitcoin references	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	http://www.castingcallpro.com/uk/view.php?uid=377118	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	can	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	't be a 30yo acress chick can it ?!	[02:03]
dub	comes accross like your typical limey toff	[02:03]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: what does BCB stand for?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin central bank	[02:04]
thestringpuller	is that like a joke?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	sort-of	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	dub more like the typical unmaffy muff.	[02:05]
dub	is that the forum/otc masturbator?	[02:05]
dub	I honestly cannot tell if he's a troll or not	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	un-maffy ie didn't learn to multiply past 5	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	and muff as in, bird.	[02:06]
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btcc100	http://www.satoshi-karoshi.com/?r=9059	[02:09]
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deadweasel	pretty sure that has a virus	[02:11]
btcc100	no its a gambling site	[02:12]
thestringpuller	lol	[02:12]
deadweasel	:D	[02:12]
btcc100	make up to 17x your bet, its easy, game	[02:12]
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thestringpuller	I'd rather gamble on the market	[02:12]
deadweasel	it's easy, game!	[02:12]
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deadweasel	finally an easy, game!	[02:13]
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mjr___	its an interesting idea for a game	[02:16]
benkay	im only interested in one game	[02:19]
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dub	I find browsing the net from american IPs quite unsettling	[02:22]
benkay	what's different?	[02:23]
dub	the ad bubble has a palpable craziness to it	[02:23]
benkay	bubble of advertising companies?	[02:23]
dub	targeted advertising	[02:24]
benkay	oh oh	[02:24]
benkay	"this one trick" etc?	[02:24]
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dub	from my home space I get adds for international travel, hotels and insurance	[02:24]
dub	via US I get offers of 'shocking footage' about chinese gold hoarding, anit-obama liberal agenda shit and emergency supplies	[02:25]
mircea_popescu	i can attest us adverising was always insane	[02:26]
dub	two anti-obama ads no less	[02:26]
mircea_popescu	in the 90s they were shockingly insane for the european mind	[02:27]
dub	this is for a website sample size of one admittedly	[02:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7888 BTC [-]	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7889 = 3.1556 BTC [+]	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.789 BTC [+]	[02:31]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu so the BCB is the bitcoin illuminati	[02:45]
thestringpuller	that's pretty cool	[02:45]
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thestringpuller	!ticker ^OIX	[02:50]
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assbot	Shit. You ain't even old enough to smoke.	[02:50]
thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX	[02:50]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 109.52216404 / 136.8194837 / 153.12818005 (23843 shares, 5,904.78 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[02:50]
mjr___	anyone know a good way to track bitcoin activity in kinda small areas	[02:52]
mjr___	specifically the dominican republic	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01797 BTC [-]	[02:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01797 BTC [-]	[02:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.017979 BTC [+]	[02:55]
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dub	DR is a big kiddy sex tourism place, expect bitcoin to be popular	[02:57]
Troic	buy / bribe data from exchanges ?	[02:58]
mjr___	lol	[02:58]
mjr___	its just close to the US, and I have some family there	[02:58]
dub	surely Bruce Wagner has a network there, offer up somelittle boy butt	[02:58]
dub	its a popular place for the NANOG conf for above reasons	[02:59]
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deadweasel	NANOG?	[03:00]
deadweasel	is that nambla from south park?	[03:01]
Namworld	over 160 USD/BTC...	[03:01]
Namworld	where is the end to all this?	[03:01]
kakobrekla	no end	[03:01]
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Bowjob	Oh wow. this picture won something	[03:02]
Bowjob	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136402734766.jpg	[03:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00151 BTC [-]	[03:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00151 = 0.003 BTC [-]	[03:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 500 @ 0.0015 = 0.75 BTC [-]	[03:02]
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thestringpuller	!ticker b bitvps	[03:04]
assbot	Quest for vision is a great blessing.	[03:04]
thestringpuller	!ticker btctc bitvps	[03:04]
assbot	[BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.00131 / 0.00153 / 0.0025 (521 shares, 0.8 BTC), 7D: 0.00131 / 0.00221 / 0.00637 (3082 shares, 6.8 BTC), 30D: 0.00131 / 0.00311 / 0.00689 (4682 shares, 14.6 BTC)	[03:04]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.78997 BTC [+]	[03:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5552 @ 0.0006474 = 3.5944 BTC [+]	[03:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.78997 = 7.8997 BTC [+]	[03:13]
thestringpuller	oh wow S.MPOE plummetted again	[03:14]
thestringpuller	!ticker m S.MPOE	[03:14]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00064063 / 0.00065874 / 0.00070715 (216398 shares, 142.55 BTC), 7D: 0.00059218 / 0.00067314 / 0.00071514 (1740073 shares, 1,171.32 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00069061 / 0.00077505 (8844010 shares, 6,107.81 BTC)	[03:14]
thestringpuller	;;seen burnside	[03:14]
gribble	burnside was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 2 hours, 18 minutes, and 23 seconds ago: not sure what'cha mean. (286 remember.)	[03:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 19 @ 0.0042 = 0.0798 BTC [-]	[03:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[03:18]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 163.83639, Best ask: 163.89000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05361, Last trade: 163.89000, 24 hour volume: 60953.30417683, 24 hour low: 142.70000, 24 hour high: 164.90000, 24 hour vwap: 154.33445	[03:18]
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ThickAsThieves	Just saw the author name on a Wordpress Plugin in one of my client's sites "Ciprian Popescu"	[03:25]
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ThickAsThieves	Romanians have cool first names	[03:25]
ThickAsThieves	or is the first name the last?	[03:25]
Bowjob	Ah, i didnt win anything from the rape contest. shoulda paid more attention to photoshop class lol	[03:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 30 @ 0.78997 = 23.6991 BTC [+]	[03:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009916 BTC [-]	[03:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.78997 = 1.5799 BTC [+]	[03:29]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 98 @ 0.01 = 0.98 BTC [+]	[03:30]
Namworld	Any BTC-BOND holders?	[03:31]
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thestringpuller	what is btc-bond?	[03:32]
thestringpuller	oh that	[03:34]
ThickAsThieves	closing it out Nam?	[03:35]
Namworld	Well at least partially...	[03:36]
thestringpuller	has it grown at all	[03:36]
mjr___	lol Emma Harriet	[03:36]
Namworld	It went down from 0.09 BTC daily to 0.06 daily in interest, about 1/3rd already bought back	[03:36]
mjr___	what a troll	[03:36]
kakobrekla	o looky mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170007.0	[03:37]
Namworld	but with BTC price increase, that 0.06 is still 10 USD daily.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	"Pachter thinks that could increase to 100 million nights "eventually"—at which point it could be generating $1 billion a year in revenues.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	really business insider is the most ignorant piece of shit out there.	[03:38]
mircea_popescu	sorta like bitcoin magazine for fiat.	[03:38]
Namworld	Let's just say that the debt in USD value is already at 35k USD which I'd be quite hard pressed to be able to purchase that much in BTC. I have over half that in free BTC and much more in BTC assets however.	[03:39]
Namworld	Would just like to close a part of it before anything happens to my BTC investments. Better be safe than have to default if everything goes bust.	[03:39]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu i used AirBNB to throw a party	[03:39]
thestringpuller	I made like a 1000 bucks easy	[03:39]
thestringpuller	lol	[03:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00301846 = 0.7546 BTC [-]	[03:39]
mircea_popescu	heh okay.	[03:40]
thestringpuller	it's good for venue finding, but it's bubble-fied unfortunately	[03:40]
thestringpuller	like kickstarter :P	[03:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.78997 BTC [+]	[03:44]
kakobrekla	ohoho! https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170003.0	[03:45]
kakobrekla	even has a yt vid.	[03:46]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/	[12:42]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013	[12:42]
MJR_	genie is out of the bottle	[12:42]
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MJR_	you can introduce FUD and price manipulations, but the idea is solid...scared people go back to fiat and we get more btc	[12:43]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[12:44]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 185.50001, Best ask: 186.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49999, Last trade: 186.00000, 24 hour volume: 85340.97056825, 24 hour low: 147.01000, 24 hour high: 186.50000, 24 hour vwap: 163.95404	[12:44]
mircea_popescu	o hey	[12:44]
MJR_	yeah insanity	[12:44]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 2 @ 0.00101 = 0.002 BTC [-]	[12:44]
MJR_	but bgupta, my point was that there are fundamentals to back this up...actual bitcoin transactions for goods is up quite a bit, and we are just getting big enough to attract real attention from big fish, this is what i think happens today and this week...	[12:45]
bgupta	yeah I know, but last I heard "commerce" at least on the silk road side was like 12 million per month.. how much larger is other commerce..	[12:46]
bgupta	err 21 million i mean	[12:46]
ThickAsThieves	at this point sellers should be able to realize that selling into bids is dumb, people will obv pay any price	[12:46]
bgupta	guesin SR is becoming a smaller and smaller portion of market	[12:47]
ThickAsThieves	just wait 10min	[12:47]
troc	the $5M (bitpay) is not all that exciting, walletbit what are they turning over ?	[12:47]
MJR_	the $5 million from bitpay is exciting to me somewhat	[12:47]
ThickAsThieves	SR is also higher and higher risk to use	[12:47]
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MJR_	we will need services like that until bitcoin gets big enough to basically float its own supply chain	[12:48]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 177	[12:48]
troc	in the context of a '2 billion' market cap ?	[12:48]
gribble	There are currently 1773.1748 bitcoins demanded at or over 177.0 USD, worth 319289.445178 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0053 seconds	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea why people still reference sr when discussing bitcoin commerce.	[12:48]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 170	[12:48]
gribble	There are currently 3867.5297 bitcoins demanded at or over 170.0 USD, worth 680880.802151 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 7.4171 seconds	[12:48]
mircea_popescu	seriously : it's a vanishinghly small irrelevant %.	[12:48]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 190	[12:48]
gribble	There are currently 3370.0377 bitcoins offered at or under 190.0 USD, worth 635943.092935 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 20.7609 seconds	[12:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00301 = 6.02 BTC [+]	[12:48]
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punkman	;;asks 200	[12:48]
gribble	There are currently 9568.7331 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 1852022.32504 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 38.8006 seconds	[12:48]
MJR_	yes, but those numbers were not from a 2 billion dollar economy...they were from a <1 billion economy	[12:48]
MJR_	does no one remember where we started march?	[12:49]
MJR_	i know it moves quick...	[12:49]
ThickAsThieves	40?	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	25	[12:49]
bgupta	mircea_popescu: actually because it is mentioned quite a bit in press.. being more informed, what is the majority of the goods and services being exchanged via btc?	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the confusion between "fiat value of M3" amnd "economy" is grave.	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin economy is not worth x because total aggregate btc "would be".	[12:49]
mircea_popescu	first off, you could never sell 11mn btc at 180 each.	[12:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 40 @ 0.275176 = 11.007 BTC [+]	[12:50]
troc	;;bids 0	[12:50]
gribble	There are currently 31401663 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11542581.0758 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0106 seconds	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	bgupta ya but seriously, the press is horrible for information.	[12:50]
MJR_	yes of course	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	i have an old graph somewhere, want me to dig it up ?	[12:50]
bgupta	graph of how people are "spending" btc?	[12:50]
mircea_popescu	of the economic uses of btc.	[12:51]
bgupta	sure sounds great.	[12:51]
bgupta	thank you	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/what-are-the-bitcoin-market-drivers/	[12:51]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile i would say the small things lost share and the larger things gained.	[12:51]
ThickAsThieves	new sexy pic!	[12:51]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[12:51]
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MJR_	japan makes it super easy to see what happens...yen multi-year low, nikkei up 2%	[12:54]
bgupta	so I guess the arguement is it can exist largely as an SoV?, as long as it's tradable into fiat, and other goods services?	[12:56]
bgupta	(Making sure I am taking away the correct message from post)	[12:56]
bgupta	That big slices are getting bigger	[12:56]
bgupta	and biggest slice at the time of writing was SoV?	[12:56]
MJR_	well that was my biggest point about a magic money machine, i would gladly throw all of my paychecks into btc and hold them, if i could spend them freely without worrying about ACH transfer times, etc	[12:57]
ThickAsThieves	its gold with all of the conveniences of e-transacting	[12:57]
ThickAsThieves	and more	[12:58]
MJR_	ThickAsThieves: ^^ THIS	[12:58]
punkman	why can't it just be bitcoin	[12:58]
ThickAsThieves	it is, dont worry	[12:58]
punkman	all the analogies and metaphors are slightly tiring	[12:59]
ThickAsThieves	then perk us up socrates	[13:00]
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ThickAsThieves	;;asks 999999999	[13:04]
gribble	There are currently 37404.385 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999.0 USD, worth 3021267941.74 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0018 seconds	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	bgupta it sure can exist largely as sov.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	that is a service. like insurance, or stripping.	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	punkman ya well... without words there's what ? faith ?	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	jurov : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/#comment-92664	[13:05]
mircea_popescu	maybe you get a kick out of that.	[13:05]
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ThickAsThieves	there are roughly 37% less bitcoins for sale today than last week	[13:05]
*	mircea_popescu can't resist linking http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ to that judicious observation.	[13:06]
ThickAsThieves	37% is roughly how much the price has risen i bet too	[13:06]
ThickAsThieves	i think we were at about 59000 coins at 140	[13:07]
punkman	mircea_popescu: of course, but how many times do we have to compare something to gold and fiat and whatnot	[13:07]
ThickAsThieves	no more times, just for you punkman	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	we're roughly in the situation where we're flooded with noobs. what's to do ;/	[13:07]
punkman	this is more directed to all the idiots writing about bitcoin, not ThickAsThieves	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	repeat history 101 and economics 101 tioll our heads fall off	[13:07]
ThickAsThieves	its also just us spinning our wheels	[13:08]
ThickAsThieves	we get excited	[13:08]
ThickAsThieves	and wanna gab	[13:08]
ThickAsThieves	plenty of conversations in here can be a real chore to witness	[13:08]
ThickAsThieves	still a great chan	[13:08]
bgupta	SO what is the difference between a violent upward correction and a bubble/ponzi?	[13:09]
ThickAsThieves	the bag still has value when it pops	[13:09]
bgupta	got it..	[13:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.0028 = 1.4 BTC [-]	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	bgupta bitcoin retraced when ordered to.	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	i submit the 3-6april 4 day interval qwould have killed a ponzi.	[13:10]
bgupta	was trying to figure out how to transfer most of my savings into btc (as SoV).. but decided if I just wait a few years, most of my assets will be in btc if I do nothing. (Not sure if that was clear)	[13:12]
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mircea_popescu	it is clear.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	most everybody spends fiat, saves btc, passively moving over.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	this is, of course, bad money driving good money out.	[13:13]
MJR_	yep	[13:13]
MJR_	gresham's law	[13:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7722 BTC [-]	[13:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7722 BTC [-]	[13:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7722 BTC [-]	[13:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.762 BTC [-]	[13:14]
bgupta	oh damn greshman's law is great.. never read it before.	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	...	[13:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.761 = 1.522 BTC [-]	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	are you serious ?!	[13:15]
bgupta	sorry, yeah	[13:15]
MJR_	lol, people only reference it every day	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	see punkman, THIS is why. because people miss a spot shaving. it happens. it's what it is.	[13:15]
MJR_	not your fault	[13:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7606 BTC [-]	[13:15]
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MJR_	i literally almost didn't mention it this time, because i figured everyone would be like "oh no, not gresham's law again, we all know asshole"	[13:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.77 = 7.7 BTC [+]	[13:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.7605 = 6.084 BTC [-]	[13:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7605 = 1.521 BTC [-]	[13:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7944 BTC [+]	[13:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7944 = 1.5888 BTC [+]	[13:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 0.7605 = 7.605 BTC [-]	[13:16]
bgupta	well many of you guys have been in channel for months if not years.. I'm realatively new..	[13:16]
MJR_	mircea_popescu: what do you think of asicminer?	[13:16]
MJR_	bgupta: yeah, definitely not your fault	[13:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7602 BTC [-]	[13:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7601 BTC [-]	[13:17]
bgupta	I am an engineer by profession, not economist.	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	bgupta don't feel bad about it. it happens	[13:17]
MJR_	hehehe, that is part of the fun of bitcoins	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	nobody knows what they don't know till they find out.	[13:17]
MJR_	learning about the system of the world	[13:17]
MJR_	exactly	[13:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.761 = 3.805 BTC [+]	[13:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.76 = 4.56 BTC [-]	[13:17]
mircea_popescu	MJR_ i think both ways.	[13:17]
MJR_	mircea_popescu: i'm working on a blog... plan on juxtaposing the tower of babel with bitcoin...money as speech etc	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	the main concern is they made a really shitty set of chips which keep blowing up under load, after 100 hours or w/e, and are currently halfway through batch two because of this.	[13:18]
punkman	I know just enough to know I don't know shit	[13:18]
mircea_popescu	otherwise, they have a solid business model.	[13:18]
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bgupta	I've heard of some of the example's like metal content exceeding face value and no matter what gov't laws go into place they will get scrapped.	[13:18]
MJR_	mircea_popescu: yeah, i like the business model, i'm working on an fpga design that should be more efficient, and can then do an avalon style chip maybe...as far as i have seen, the designs work, but that doesn't mean they are nearly on the level they could be	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	more competition in mining is great.	[13:19]
mircea_popescu	at the current price there;'s a fat paycheck to be eaten there.	[13:20]
BitHub	wth	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	(which is what i meant earlier. sov AND MINING grew lots)	[13:20]
BitHub	apparently bfl delivered to someone in australia?	[13:20]
mircea_popescu	orly ?	[13:20]
MJR_	yes, true, and there will be another wave of hardware that makes current asics look like old fpga's...	[13:20]
BitHub	i was just talking to some guy on the phone	[13:20]
BitHub	that cant be right	[13:20]
MJR_	hmmm...did this one have fans?	[13:20]
BitHub	apparently pre ordered 2 months ago	[13:21]
MJR_	brb	[13:21]
BitHub	bastard	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	ya srslty. fans or no fans ?	[13:21]
BitHub	i dont know	[13:21]
mircea_popescu	ask	[13:21]
BitHub	i wasn't talking to him directly, my friend was talking to him for me heh	[13:21]
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BitHub	hes off to bed but they're calling me tomorrow night	[13:22]
BitHub	i cant believe it	[13:22]
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ThickAsThieves	mining litecoin is still more profitable then btc	[13:23]
ThickAsThieves	than*	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	i'm not really believing it either.	[13:23]
punkman	LTC is interesting, but it just took off on the back of BTC now	[13:24]
punkman	I like that a new altcoin is popping up every other week now	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	it will make the ltc bubble burst a lot more digestible.	[13:26]
BitHub	sorry i know i usually troll but im very serious about this one	[13:26]
BitHub	trying to get him to ask the guy to take a picture and send it	[13:26]
BitHub	it was just a random phone call 30mins ago	[13:26]
punkman	http://rlv.zcache.com/i_love_vaporware_mesh_hats-ra52a04ca77754b67a848ac0e607cb30d_v9wfy_8byvr_512.jpg	[13:26]
BitHub	cause my friend knows i'm into bitcoin and that	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	just got a fresh hyacinth.	[13:27]
mircea_popescu	it smells good :D	[13:27]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[13:30]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 180.37700, Best ask: 182.70000, Bid-ask spread: 2.32300, Last trade: 180.00001, 24 hour volume: 85165.12407777, 24 hour low: 147.62000, 24 hour high: 186.50000, 24 hour vwap: 164.94921	[13:30]
MJR_	is hyacith the same as honeysuckle?	[13:31]
MJR_	guess it's not, i love those scents though	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	a no	[13:34]
MJR_	those two and gardenia	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	honeysuckle is a bush, hyacinth is a bulb, early srping	[13:34]
EmDes	that cap punkman :PP	[13:35]
MJR_	yes, true	[13:35]
MJR_	cherry blossoms will be blooming soon...its one of my favorite times to enjoy nature	[13:35]
MJR_	;;seen smickles	[13:38]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 18 hours, 56 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm	[13:38]
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deadweasel	;;ticker	[13:49]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 182.04000, Best ask: 182.45899, Bid-ask spread: 0.41899, Last trade: 182.04000, 24 hour volume: 88143.75258705, 24 hour low: 148.01000, 24 hour high: 186.50000, 24 hour vwap: 165.56880	[13:49]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]	[13:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14110 @ 0.00065788 = 9.2827 BTC [+]	[14:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00065871 = 0.8563 BTC [+]	[14:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 640 @ 0.00065872 = 0.4216 BTC [+]	[14:03]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/376/bfl-will-stop-giving-refunds-on-bitforce-sc/	[14:12]
mircea_popescu	this is interesting. 500:1 implicit odds that bfl stops refunds.	[14:12]
ThickAsThieves	i'm surprised people arent accusing BFL of mining with theri chips instead of shipping	[14:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00065356 = 0.4575 BTC [-]	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	i guerss that clearly shows how much faith in the bfl chip there is.	[14:16]
ThickAsThieves	they must be mining by now	[14:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[14:18]
gribble	61113.2878525	[14:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[14:18]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 8931575.85222 based on data since last change \| 8537297.41708 based on data for last three days	[14:18]
ThickAsThieves	at least 1 or 2 of Avalon/BFL/AM are mining on the side	[14:19]
ThickAsThieves	probly all 3	[14:20]
ThickAsThieves	incentive is just too high	[14:20]
ThickAsThieves	even one unit is oodles of money	[14:21]
punkman	you mean AM mining without paying dividends?	[14:21]
ThickAsThieves	yes	[14:21]
punkman	right, would make sense	[14:21]
ThickAsThieves	and Avalon not shipping their unit til after they mine with them a few weeks	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves there was a dispute a few weeks ago about that	[14:22]
ThickAsThieves	and BFL not shipping at all til diff gets high enough for it to tip profit scale	[14:22]
mircea_popescu	people were incensed at my suggestion that users reporting dusted units delivered = premining with them	[14:22]
ThickAsThieves	it just makes sense	[14:22]
ThickAsThieves	none of the 3 have anyone to answer to, except maybe BFL	[14:23]
ThickAsThieves	someone needs to run a spy op on them	[14:24]
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jurov	mircea_popescu you fag hater, hi :)	[14:29]
jurov	and deposits pls	[14:29]
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jurov	lol my ex-boss insists on shorting bitcoins	[14:29]
jurov	he was introduced to them just some month ago. but he knows for sure this is a bubble	[14:29]
BitHub	homofag	[14:29]
BitHub	i keep hearing bubble	[14:29]
BitHub	but no pop	[14:29]
Diablo-D3	jurov: you cant short them though	[14:29]
Diablo-D3	jurov: you can only sell the ones you have	[14:29]
ThickAsThieves	could buy puts	[14:30]
mircea_popescu	jurov i am sorry we don't process fairy bitcoins today	[14:30]
jurov	but he wanted somehow to do it without buying them at all	[14:30]
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ThickAsThieves	tell him, hold fiat, thats how	[14:30]
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Diablo-D3	basically what ThickAsThieves said	[14:30]
gesell	ThickAsThieves: lol	[14:30]
jurov	but i'd really love to screw him	[14:31]
Diablo-D3	wait until the bubble pops and then buy in	[14:31]
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Diablo-D3	jurov: no, I think hes right	[14:31]
Diablo-D3	this is a bubble	[14:31]
gesell	jurov: support him. get him worked up about it. tell him "go for it! yeeeeah"	[14:31]
gesell	bring him a pitch fork	[14:31]
Diablo-D3	the bobble needs to pop before we can build a new stable floor	[14:31]
jurov	but he asked how. or is there a fool who wants to lend him btc?	[14:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.93 = 9.65 BTC [+]	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	but no pop << that's because it's not a cherry.	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	jurov so let him buy puts/sell calls.	[14:32]
gesell	it will end with him and bernanke eating a gallon tub of icecream watching cnbc together to cover their tears	[14:32]
Diablo-D3	jurov: well, he could take a bet up with mp	[14:32]
ThickAsThieves	jurov if you are so sure he's cray, sell him puts in fiat	[14:32]
jurov	yea, i think he'll end up as coinbr customer	[14:32]
Diablo-D3	ThickAsThieves: I wouldnt	[14:32]
Diablo-D3	the guy is jurov's boss	[14:32]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/330/mtgox-bitcoin-usd-exchange-rate-200-before/ << he can bet NO there.	[14:32]
Diablo-D3	we need a third party	[14:32]
jurov	he's ex-boss. no power anymore	[14:33]
jurov	and i think the bubble is industrial strength so far. unpoppable.	[14:33]
BitHub	hehe	[14:33]
jurov	may just deflate a bit	[14:33]
BitHub	nice mircea	[14:33]
BitHub	miss you btw	[14:33]
mircea_popescu	miss me ?!	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	;;market --sell 100000	[14:34]
BitHub	of course	[14:34]
gribble	A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 9540076.0121 USD and would take the last price down to 35.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 95.4008 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 58.8457 seconds	[14:34]
BitHub	miss teh lulz	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	i'm practically always here	[14:34]
BitHub	shhh, dont ruin the moment	[14:34]
mircea_popescu	btwm, anyone here won anything from raping that adria chick ?	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	the worst thing about mp (and jurov, ukto, burnside, topace) is that they sleep	[14:35]
ThickAsThieves	so lame	[14:35]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[14:35]
BitHub	2 hours is all you need	[14:35]
jurov	well, if you know some azn i can entrust deposits to...	[14:35]
BitHub	and while you sleep you should have someone watching you sleep ready to wake you up for an emergency	[14:35]
jurov	better wait these few hours.	[14:35]
BitHub	asian?	[14:36]
jurov	yes, asian. to be available while i sleep	[14:36]
BitHub	which part of asia?	[14:36]
ThickAsThieves	he wasnt serious	[14:36]
BitHub	mmk	[14:36]
jurov	should i troll you "i like thai boys"?	[14:36]
BitHub	yuck	[14:37]
BitHub	why would you do that when there's vaginas?	[14:37]
jurov	vags smell	[14:37]
BitHub	true	[14:37]
mircea_popescu	here's a simple explanation of the bitcoin/fiat relationship : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136542105834.jpg	[14:37]
BitHub	ass to mouth kind of relationship?	[14:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 660 @ 0.00065872 = 0.4348 BTC [+]	[14:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2534 @ 0.00065873 = 1.6692 BTC [+]	[14:38]
jurov	coinbr deposits credited.	[14:39]
mircea_popescu	more like spanking	[14:40]
BitHub	oh	[14:41]
BitHub	i have a good one mircea id like to do	[14:42]
BitHub	its basicually a bunch of dinosaurs standing around looking at this huge big thing hurdling towards earth that's about to wipe them out, but instead a astroid its a very big bitcoin	[14:43]
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jurov	pathetic	[14:44]
Scrat	BitHub: im gonna steal your idea thanks	[14:44]
BitHub	no worries	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	yea kinda too direct and unedgy for my style.	[14:45]
mircea_popescu	i like getting people to where they start stammering about how i'm a homophobe nigger hatin' rapist or something	[14:46]
troc	or a swine flue virus in the shape of bitcoin eating all the bankers/marketdroids	[14:46]
BitHub	really mircea?	[14:47]
BitHub	i like how people completely forget who i am in about 1 year	[14:47]
BitHub	lay low	[14:48]
BitHub	when most of the people are now old and sick and dying and thinking about their life, wont be a trace of me in it	[14:48]
jurov	O_o	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128215357439.jpg	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	actually someboduy should prolly chop a btc in there.	[14:49]
jurov	isn't that nike shoes ad?	[14:49]
BitHub	lul wth	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[14:50]
BitHub	so many things to say about that pic heh	[14:50]
jurov	like, wanna get a sprinter kid? wear 'em	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	during	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170305.0	[14:50]
BitHub	why isn't she wearing timberland boots?	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	for the flulz.	[14:51]
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mircea_popescu	ok, i got another. this one is about the power of education by example : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/134618245439.jpg	[14:51]
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MJR_	lol	[14:52]
BitHub	shit, that's someones daughter yo	[14:52]
MJR_	the problem with bubble predictors is that even if they are right, the market can remain irrational a lot longer than they can remain solvent	[14:52]
BitHub	mircea that guy looks more cock hungry than her	[14:53]
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mircea_popescu	BitHub hence my comment.	[14:54]
BitHub	haha	[14:55]
BitHub	more lulz plz	[14:55]
ThickAsThieves	uh oh, fat washed up comedians are pimping bitcoin now	[14:56]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.thebitcointrader.com/2013/04/drew-carey-and-roseanne-barr-are.html	[14:56]
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mircea_popescu	BitHub here's a funny one with niggers http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136097321137.jpg	[14:58]
BitHub	hah thieves	[14:59]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/4/7/4194142/torment-tides-numenera-kickstarter-video-game-record-rpg <- Someone needs to get these game companies kickstarting in btc instead, Bitfunder would be a good fit	[14:59]
MJR_	lol	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=124391.msg1353059#msg1353059	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	bweahaha	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	god she's too good	[14:59]
MJR_	http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/current-affairs/bitcoin-betting	[14:59]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[14:59]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:01]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 182.90000, Best ask: 183.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 183.00000, 24 hour volume: 84257.09650220, 24 hour low: 151.44000, 24 hour high: 186.50000, 24 hour vwap: 167.63669	[15:01]
MJR_	they got pissed cuz they lose too much money betting against bitcoin	[15:01]
BitHub	LULz	[15:01]
BitHub	wtf	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 5,456 * 183	[15:01]
gribble	Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 5456 * 183	[15:01]
gribble	998448	[15:01]
BitHub	hehe its like he doesn't want to be there or something	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	ha! BitBet just about to go into 1mn total bets	[15:01]
BitHub	bitcoin made it on australian news tonight	[15:01]
BitHub	http://youtu.be/mgZhJBKvvTE	[15:01]
MJR_	nice	[15:01]
ThickAsThieves	might actually pass sdice this year if evoorhees doesnt get crackalackin	[15:02]
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MJR_	i heard asicminer passed sdice	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	!ticker btct asicminer-pt	[15:04]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 0.751 / 0.7817 / 0.795 (180 shares, 140.7 BTC), 7D: 0.683004 / 0.75853 / 0.795 (1507 shares, 1143.1 BTC), 30D: 0.59998 / 0.77718 / 0.973 (7755 shares, 6027.1 BTC)	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[15:04]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.0028 / 0.00293838 / 0.00301847 (6753 shares, 19.84 BTC), 7D: 0.00276111 / 0.00318903 / 0.00400173 (534925 shares, 1,705.89 BTC), 30D: 0.00276111 / 0.00364232 / 0.006 (1637072 shares, 5,962.74 BTC)	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	;;calc .78 * 4 / 10	[15:04]
gribble	0.312	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	just about.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.mpoe	[15:05]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00063322 / 0.0006534 / 0.00066633 (319604 shares, 208.83 BTC), 7D: 0.00059218 / 0.00067536 / 0.00071514 (1795331 shares, 1,212.51 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00068994 / 0.00077505 (9004112 shares, 6,212.38 BTC)	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	in other news, s.dice + asicminer < s.mpoe	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	this is getting scandalous.	[15:05]
ThickAsThieves	now that erik is actually moved out of the US, I figure after a few weeks of loose women and mai tais, he'll have some developments for sdice	[15:07]
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error4733	good ! because fiat value is now close to 40M$	[15:07]
MJR_	ThickAsThieves: that was my same theory	[15:08]
MJR_	ThickAsThieves: which is why i've held and think its a steal at its current price	[15:08]
ThickAsThieves	i actually sold some AM to get these cheape sdice	[15:08]
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error4733	yes, go first ! my bad, value S.dice is more than 52M$	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	we need more buyers in btc nvesting market	[15:10]
ThickAsThieves	exchanges do so little outreach	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves that's a market opportunity for anyone with some entrepreneurial blood.	[15:11]
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error4733	IPO set the price @3M$, tell me what in 3 month has change the "real" value of S.dcie	[15:11]
XRPTrader2	xrp for sale at https://xrptrader.com	[15:12]
ThickAsThieves	spam detected	[15:12]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: S.DICE is supposed to be a bot no?	[15:12]
thestringpuller	like the lottery no?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	error4733 the fact that its space went from nothing to the talk of the town.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	if i started a bar on manhattan which was just this island spending 3 mn	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	and in 3 months manhattan became today's manhattan	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	would youy think my bar is worth 3mn ?	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	i mean, it's the same bar. not in the same space anymore.	[15:13]
ThickAsThieves	its easy to see high value in sdice as a company	[15:13]
ThickAsThieves	but its just as easy to see squandered opportunity	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	personally i see a little more squandered oportunity in asicminer, but yeah	[15:14]
ThickAsThieves	same could be argued for bitbet	[15:14]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: ASICMINER will be surpassed by another mining company when as you said, "The real people arrive in bitcoin land"	[15:15]
thestringpuller	the shuttle has not landed yet unfortunately.	[15:15]
ChaangNoi	did gox have lag for like 20 mins?	[15:16]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[15:16]
unbalanced_	Latest I've heard on Gox queue:	[15:16]
unbalanced_	My new waiting list position is now 15,280 (when I submitted 10 days ago, queue started at 6000).	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	ChaangNoi http://jezus.si/graf/dashboards/bitcoin/details/lag/	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced_ im not sure how far i'd trust those numbers.	[15:16]
ThickAsThieves	especially if they simply arent processing any at all	[15:17]
unbalanced_	Ah, like BFL order numbers?	[15:17]
ThickAsThieves	they could just be slower than usual	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced_ perhaps.	[15:18]
ThickAsThieves	187	[15:22]
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ChaangNoi	on a mother fucking cop?	[15:22]
ThickAsThieves	on a motherfucking coin	[15:22]
ChaangNoi	:)	[15:23]
ChaangNoi	thanks mp	[15:23]
ChaangNoi	15k waiting, nice	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	vags smell << my cock smells too. the odd part is teh girls love the scent.	[15:23]
ChaangNoi	$300 here we come	[15:23]
jurov	yea they love vanilla	[15:24]
kakobrekla	morning	[15:24]
kakobrekla	what did i miss	[15:24]
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unbalanced_	guess what BTC is up	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla inaba came out of closet	[15:24]
kakobrekla	did he?	[15:25]
ThickAsThieves	i sold a bioshock infite / crysis 3 game code to him for 1 btc	[15:25]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[15:25]
BitHub	that sounds too manly	[15:26]
ChaangNoi	186$ for the games, lol	[15:28]
punkman	"Our user count has increased from 7 to 15 and one of our users (a native Japanese speaker) has volunteered to help edit the Japanese dictionary." haha	[15:28]
jurov	ThickAsThieves, did you pack in a mining trojan?	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	twas merely a game code	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	alas	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	i have 7 more	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	if anyone planned on buying either game	[15:29]
jurov	tey prolly got trojaned by chinese anyway... that's why they draw so much	[15:30]
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ThickAsThieves	do we know anyone in BFL's state?	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	we need a covert op	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	cam in the purse kinda thing	[15:30]
punkman	there are private investigators everywhere	[15:30]
ChaangNoi	im from the town bfl is operating in	[15:31]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose they wouldnt need to actually mine AT their office	[15:31]
ThickAsThieves	someone that ordered mini rigs should hire a PI	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	188.78	[15:33]
MJR_	i don't carry a purse....	[15:33]
BitHub	ThickAsThieves	[15:33]
BitHub	i recieved the strangest phone call tonight	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	it wasnt me	[15:34]
BitHub	about a bfl operating in australia	[15:34]
ThickAsThieves	go visit it	[15:34]
BitHub	i'm waiting for pics via sms	[15:34]
BitHub	my friend went out to the middle of nowhere to start this job and ran into a guy that's a "bitcoin miner"	[15:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.01 = 0.02 BTC [+]	[15:34]
ThickAsThieves	is the case for the new ones the same as the fpga?	[15:34]
BitHub	i need to get 100% confirmation	[15:35]
BitHub	i've asked my mate to send me pics	[15:35]
BitHub	i cant believe it like how the fuck did this guy get a bfl?	[15:35]
BitHub	2 x 120gh apparently, ordered 2 months ago	[15:36]
ChaangNoi	;;asks 200	[15:36]
gribble	There are currently 10021.06 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 1951263.57221 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 87.7052 seconds	[15:36]
BitHub	2 x 60 i mean	[15:36]
ThickAsThieves	189.80	[15:37]
ChaangNoi	i kinda doubt that	[15:37]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999	[15:37]
gribble	There are currently 37525.179 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 419998515.287 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0072 seconds	[15:37]
ChaangNoi	189.8	[15:37]
ChaangNoi	yeah crazy	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	190	[15:38]
ChaangNoi	usa is waking up	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	insanity	[15:38]
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ChaangNoi	this is madness BIIIITTTCOOOOIN!!!!	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	the price is looking like its correlated to the amount of coins available for sale.	[15:39]
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ThickAsThieves	value is up 35% from 140, coins available is down 35%	[15:39]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[15:40]
gribble	There are currently 31449915 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11449403.9086 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 12.0387 seconds	[15:40]
Namworld	190 USD per BTC O.o	[15:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C155T] 4 @ 0.24413205 = 0.9765 BTC [+]	[15:40]
ChaangNoi	bids are level	[15:40]
ThickAsThieves	i told myself i wouldnt buy any more calls til vwap hits 200	[15:40]
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Namworld	the premium on options are so high I just can't go around to buying some	[15:42]
Namworld	I should have bought calls when price was around 120 tho...	[15:42]
ThickAsThieves	$avg	[15:43]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: 168.22	[15:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 278 @ 0.12503255 = 34.759 BTC [+]	[15:44]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[15:44]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 187.99000, Best ask: 190.00000, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 190.00000, 24 hour volume: 86134.18904333, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 191.00000, 24 hour vwap: 169.50989	[15:44]
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mircea_popescu	i go to eat and not even 190 yet ?	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	what is this	[15:44]
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Namworld	It's slow right? Not raising 10% every 15 minutes	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	outrage.	[15:46]
Namworld	It's doubling every 1-2 weeks...	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	my wife was talking about investing in this new restaurant, they want $3000, 36month, 8%APR	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	I should have bought calls when price was around 120 tho... << but you thought premium too high right ?	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	i said fuck that i can make 8% in a day	[15:46]
Namworld	yeah... then the price kept raising	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[15:47]
Namworld	seriously... I lost a ton to shorting	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	Nam, guess what	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	fate of the mpoe bot. everyone thinks premiums are too high, tellingly nobody goes in the midmarket.	[15:47]
Namworld	Back in 20-40 USD/BTC	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	it might continue rising	[15:47]
Namworld	Then I bought calls last month... got the BTC back	[15:47]
deadweasel	i'm happy about my 188s now :D	[15:47]
ChaangNo_	fucking gox lag	[15:47]
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Namworld	Guess I should have done the same this month	[15:47]
ChaangNo_	;;;;ticker	[15:48]
gribble	Error: ";;ticker" is not a valid command.	[15:48]
ChaangNo_	;;ticker	[15:48]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 189.00000, Best ask: 190.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 190.00000, 24 hour volume: 86134.18904333, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 191.00000, 24 hour vwap: 169.50989	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[15:48]
gribble	MtGox lag is 75.52478 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.151350813502 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	oh Gox, you gox me	[15:48]
Namworld	Someone should kill Gox...	[15:49]
deadweasel	we're trying	[15:49]
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Namworld	Using gox... I mean, what is more lethal than gox?	[15:49]
Namworld	It's so slow you can die old waiting	[15:49]
deadweasel	tigers	[15:49]
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Namworld	Make the staff have to make a transaction and wait for it to complete to return to work.	[15:50]
Namworld	Gox will fade out after some time.	[15:50]
MJR_	yeah, so far you can buy at bots market price, it usually works out	[15:50]
MJR_	Namworld: you are buying back bonds?	[15:50]
Namworld	yeah	[15:50]
MJR_	can i be last lol	[15:50]
Namworld	If you want... I'm buying a part of it back.	[15:51]
Namworld	If you don't want to have them bought back, don't offer	[15:51]
DeaDTerra	Join us tonight in a Starcraft 2 Bitcoin prize pool sit and go tournament :) http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1bwu7r/eu_starting_5_hours_from_now_the_gauntlet_come/	[15:51]
MJR_	yeah, i am waiting	[15:51]
MJR_	twas my favorite bond	[15:51]
MJR_	guess i'll dump into asicminer	[15:51]
Namworld	I'll start with volunteers and if I'm missing some I'll do a forced buyback.	[15:51]
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Namworld	actually I don't think I can do a partial forced buyback... anyway	[15:52]
ThickAsThieves	make two accounts	[15:52]
ThickAsThieves	buy at market	[15:52]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: heh, too bad most people dont own starcraft 2	[15:53]
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Namworld	I do... but I wouldn't play tournaments...	[15:53]
ThickAsThieves	no time for games	[15:53]
Namworld	I hardly have time here too	[15:53]
DeaDTerra	Well I think gamers and Bitcoin interest should coincide pretty well :)	[15:53]
DeaDTerra	It's just a sit and go, you jump in and play whenever you want and can leave anytime.	[15:54]
Namworld	I also have a hard time with RTS, but no problem with turn-based	[15:54]
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DeaDTerra	If you win your group you are awarded some BTC, if not you can just play again with an ew group	[15:54]
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Namworld	I can't keep up with fast multi-tasking	[15:54]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: I think gamers should honestly quit.	[15:56]
Diablo-D3	Believe in Satoshi	[15:56]
Diablo-D3	Do something important with their lives instead of wasting time	[15:56]
Namworld	Become monks in the temple of Satoshi?	[15:56]
Namworld	Games are not a waste of time more than any other leisure activity... It's just entertainment.	[15:57]
Diablo-D3	No, become the body of Satoshi so that he may work through you.	[15:57]
ChaangNo_	;;200	[15:57]
gribble	Error: "200" is not a valid command.	[15:57]
ChaangNo_	;;goxlag	[15:57]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0.019954 seconds. During this time, light travels 3.99875925839e-05 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).	[15:57]
ChaangNo_	;;asks 200	[15:57]
gribble	There are currently 8269.9158 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 1620932.97386 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds	[15:57]
Diablo-D3	Namworld: one does not NEED entertainment	[15:57]
ChaangNo_	;; asks 199.99	[15:57]
gribble	There are currently 6712.3312 bitcoins offered at or under 199.99 USD, worth 1309416.70044 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 15.7117 seconds	[15:57]
Diablo-D3	We are only on Earth for a short time, why waste it doing dumb shit?	[15:57]
gesell	gaming is rather useful	[15:58]
gesell	flexes problem solving skills, creates a culture demanding achievments	[15:58]
punkman	not all games are equal	[15:59]
gesell	if translated back (those skills) in a minor way to the real world this has some social impact	[15:59]
deadweasel	so do productive tasks	[15:59]
Diablo-D3	gesell: starcraft 2 is not one of those games.	[15:59]
ThickAsThieves	after a while, games are just timesucks	[15:59]
gesell	the world is a thousand times better than people spend their time in WoW or SC2. every person playing games is one less watching tv. Games are not the most productive but at least they are paticipatory	[16:00]
gesell	s/than/with	[16:00]
deadweasel	better than tv, yes. that is not saying much.	[16:00]
Diablo-D3	gesell: they are not productive at all	[16:00]
gesell	says a lot actually	[16:00]
Diablo-D3	Games are a prison.	[16:00]
Diablo-D3	So is TV, so are movies,	[16:00]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin is a prison	[16:00]
gesell	entertainment is a prison	[16:01]
gesell	the type of entertainment is different	[16:01]
DeaDTerra	Gaming is a hobby, it's a entertainment but can also be a way to improve multitasking, micro management and coordination.	[16:01]
deadweasel	tv is makes you dumb and full of shit. games are interactively brain sucks.. :)	[16:01]
Diablo-D3	Did you know more "food" is grown in Farmville than in real life?	[16:01]
DeaDTerra	It's only a prison if you let it catch you	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	tv isnt ALL bad	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 ahaha good one.	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	geez	[16:01]
deadweasel	sorta like this room, only i learn stuff here.	[16:01]
gesell	Diablo-D3: lol	[16:01]
punkman	I think TV helps me understand other people a lot	[16:01]
Diablo-D3	DeaDTerra: humans suck at multitasking	[16:02]
deadweasel	no it doesn't	[16:02]
Diablo-D3	it should just not be performed at all	[16:02]
Diablo-D3	just focus on the task at hand until its done	[16:02]
deadweasel	tv helps you understand bullshit drama.	[16:02]
deadweasel	its not real...	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13654259702.png here's a fresh one.	[16:02]
deadweasel	makes you crazy and bel;ieve crazy things	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	meanwhile in gaza strip : Police in Hamas-ruled Gaza have started grabbing young men with long or gel-styled spiky hair off the streets, bundling them into jeeps, mocking them and shaving their heads.	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	it can be argued there is no such thing as multitasking	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	i can tiotally see why the libertards are supporting palestine against israel.	[16:04]
ThickAsThieves	youre mostly just ignoring a lot of things at once	[16:04]
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Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: supporting either is against Satoshi, really.	[16:04]
gesell	http://www.ted.com/talks/jane_mcgonigal_gaming_can_make_a_better_world.html	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	Diablo-D3 myeah.	[16:04]
Diablo-D3	gesell: Ive already seen it, I dont subscribe to that belief	[16:05]
Diablo-D3	its just a bizarre subset of "practice makes perfect"	[16:05]
Diablo-D3	I don't know why more people don't free themselves from their prisons.	[16:06]
punkman	why would they?	[16:07]
Diablo-D3	Let Satoshi work through you, the Savior, Lord, and King of Humanity.	[16:07]
deadweasel	Diablo-D3: time for #bitcoin-church	[16:08]
punkman	http://kopimism.me/	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	who's punkman anyway ?	[16:08]
gesell	Diablo-D3: so i agree with you then. i just would say that yes changing the addiction to gaming would be an improvment but the addiction to gaming is already an improvement from prior forms of entertainment	[16:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00276111 = 1.6567 BTC [-]	[16:09]
Diablo-D3	gesell: yes, but we'd be better off to just ending all addicitons	[16:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 125 @ 0.00276101 = 0.3451 BTC [-]	[16:10]
gesell	I dont know where you live but I'd be happier to see people spend less time addicted to entertainment sports on TV than gaming	[16:10]
gesell	nah, addictions will always exist	[16:10]
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mircea_popescu	addiction fundamentally works on the pathways that allow you to fall in love.	[16:10]
deadweasel	gesell, yes, you're right they always exist	[16:10]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: yes, but if you love Satoshi, then that is all the pathway massaging you need.	[16:11]
deadweasel	right now it's btc information. but i learn here.	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	who are you to say what massaging i need ?	[16:11]
punkman	"most of the really pleasant things in life are worth endlessly repeating."	[16:11]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: then you are not a follower of Satoshi	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	punkman srsly, do we know you under a previous incarnation ?	[16:11]
punkman	mircea_popescu: doubtful	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	a ok. do you run any service or anything ?	[16:12]
punkman	various things in the works, not yet	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[16:12]
punkman	I'm here to learn	[16:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00065873 = 1.9762 BTC [+]	[16:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 120 @ 0.009933 = 1.192 BTC [-]	[16:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00065356 = 1.9607 BTC [-]	[16:29]
thestringpuller	good to hear punkman	[16:29]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999	[16:30]
gribble	There are currently 38628.507 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 420248240.474 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0020 seconds	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[16:30]
gribble	There are currently 31440065 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11260061.3773 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 12.8361 seconds	[16:30]
ThickAsThieves	so if coins avail affects price, along with bid dollar total, we should see a little plateau or dip right now	[16:31]
thestringpuller	am I seeing that correctly?	[16:32]
thestringpuller	34 million?	[16:32]
ThickAsThieves	?	[16:32]
thestringpuller	31 million*	[16:33]
thestringpuller	31 million coins are demanded	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	meaningless number imo	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[16:33]
ChaangNoi	yeah but 21 million of them are my asks at .00001	[16:33]
ThickAsThieves	^	[16:33]
jurov	;;bids 1	[16:34]
gribble	There are currently 317488.65 bitcoins demanded at or over 1.0 USD, worth 11240718.5782 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 113.9340 seconds	[16:34]
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thestringpuller	there we gp	[16:34]
thestringpuller	there we go lol	[16:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.35 BTC [-]	[16:34]
ThickAsThieves	still meaningless	[16:34]
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ThickAsThieves	dollars matters more	[16:35]
jurov	a bit less meaningless	[16:35]
jurov	;;bids 5	[16:35]
gribble	There are currently 201529.11 bitcoins demanded at or over 5.0 USD, worth 11005649.7257 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0124 seconds	[16:35]
thestringpuller	;;vol	[16:35]
gribble	Error: "vol" is not a valid command.	[16:35]
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mircea_popescu	Guest31437 are you the forum wealth advisor guy ?	[16:35]
thestringpuller	;;volume	[16:35]
gribble	Error: "volume" is not a valid command.	[16:35]
thestringpuller	it there a way to see volume?	[16:35]
jurov	;;depth	[16:35]
gribble	Error: "depth" is not a valid command.	[16:35]
jurov	dunno	[16:35]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[16:35]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 188.50004, Best ask: 188.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.39996, Last trade: 188.50004, 24 hour volume: 88117.25656920, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 191.00000, 24 hour vwap: 170.38540	[16:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 39 @ 0.12811778 = 4.9966 BTC [+]	[16:35]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 9999999	[16:36]
gribble	There are currently 38550.022 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999.0 USD, worth 196430772.993 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 56.0385 seconds	[16:36]
Guest31437	mircea - yes. MPOE let me know about this resource, figured I'd check it out.	[16:36]
thestringpuller	mpoe users are being very cautious...	[16:36]
thestringpuller	perhaps the BCB has lost control of the price	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	Guest31437 hehe okay.	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller jus' fer you, fresh from the user contributed pits : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/13654259702.png	[16:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C155T] 10 @ 0.24917244 = 2.4917 BTC [+]	[16:42]
kakobrekla	lol	[16:43]
kakobrekla	say something bad about devs so we get more cheap coins , quikcly	[16:43]
splnkr	devz sux	[16:44]
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kakobrekla	these beans are shit.	[16:44]
kakobrekla	i mean, these devs are shit.	[16:44]
splnkr	unless they're magic devs, in which case you can use them to make a devstalk	[16:44]
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ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999	[16:45]
gribble	There are currently 38837.418 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 420348159.519 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0020 seconds	[16:45]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[16:45]
gribble	There are currently 31438380 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11294377.3662 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 5.7703 seconds	[16:45]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla aww why haet.	[16:45]
splnkr	if you're lucky, this devstalk will lead to untold riches; but there's a good chance there's also an angry giant up there waiting to crush you	[16:45]
splnkr	sounds basically like bitcoin, right? =P	[16:45]
kakobrekla	cause devs suck at life i herd	[16:46]
kakobrekla	hehe	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	hehehe	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	actually, i think you'll like the bitcoin/fiat relationship one	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	where was it	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136542105834.jpg	[16:46]
kakobrekla	:D	[16:46]
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thestringpuller	what is that supposed to mean popescu "A ponzi could not have survived april 3 through 7th"	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	well... trend trading tends to go bust when the trend leaves.	[16:50]
ThickAsThieves	my prediction of a plateau is holding true so far	[16:51]
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thestringpuller	plateau hasn't arrived yet	[16:52]
thestringpuller	maybe 200 a coin?	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	i mean short term	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	i'm looking at correlation of bitcoins available to bitcoin value	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	along with bids dollars up	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[16:52]
gribble	There are currently 31438713 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11320552.5806 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 106.2635 seconds	[16:52]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999	[16:53]
gribble	There are currently 39373.803 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 420456772.352 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 114.6406 seconds	[16:53]
Namworld	I know plenty of people (including myself) are just holding to BTC, which reduce available BTC	[16:53]
Namworld	actually not true... I've been selling a bit	[16:53]
deadweasel	14,000 in gox queue	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	price should continue to hold	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	til coins available comes down, or bid dollar total goes up	[16:53]
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Namworld	But also tons of news about BTC and rising prices...	[16:54]
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Namworld	I guess it's just attracting lots of capital	[16:54]
mircea_popescu	this one special for asciilifeform http://m.ibtimes.co.uk/italy-robbery-a9-van-heist-454638.html	[16:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00247 BTC [+]	[16:56]
jcpham	$1000 correction	[16:56]
jcpham	needs moar digit	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	fuck you omg	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	if i end up having to change mpsics each month ;(	[16:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C161T] 12 @ 0.22895486 = 2.7475 BTC	[16:57]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000649 = 0.0019 BTC [+]	[16:58]
MJR_	its not too standard, but it is plenty codey	[16:58]
MJR_	so it all evens out...	[16:58]
MJR_	:)	[16:59]
Namworld	we're already almost at 200...	[16:59]
MJR_	yeah	[16:59]
Namworld	options will need changing...	[16:59]
MJR_	maybe the price goes wherever he sets the highest option	[16:59]
Namworld	then again and again... and then maybe backward...	[16:59]
bit_nutz	anyone know if price to join mpex is still 30 btc? seems ridiculously high	[16:59]
MJR_	LOL	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	bit_nutz yes, it is.	[16:59]
MJR_	still 30 btc	[16:59]
Namworld	yes, still 30 BTC	[16:59]
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ThickAsThieves	if you make opts up to 400, will you then go to $5 increments?	[17:00]
MJR_	go to coinbr...thats prob what you are looking for	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[17:00]
Namworld	So like over 5k USD to join	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves probably.	[17:00]
bit_nutz	thanks MP. any plan to bring that down?	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	bit_nutz no, it is onl;y going up.	[17:00]
MJR_	hehehe	[17:00]
Namworld	It's never going to go down...	[17:00]
MJR_	bit_nutz: coinbr is the way to go	[17:00]
Namworld	No matter how high BTC price goes up.	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	MP does not go down	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	sry	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	actually i do, if i like the girl.	[17:01]
MJR_	bit_nutz: it is a broker, while MPEX is an exchange...different models, i think you are looking for a few trades without a huge investmenet	[17:01]
MJR_	bit_nutz: if you need or want a referral code, hit me up	[17:01]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 9999999	[17:01]
gribble	There are currently 39116.983 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999.0 USD, worth 196584826.522 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 86.4966 seconds	[17:01]
bit_nutz	exactly, MJR, thank you very much. actually looking for both, but no way can i convince anyone to get in at that price	[17:01]
bVector	if anyone is looking to make some guaranteed money icbit is looking for market makers	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[17:02]
gribble	There are currently 31431215 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11320050.13 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 97.7643 seconds	[17:02]
jurov	someone forgot to offer coinbr affiliate url ;)	[17:02]
bVector	contango is >$50 on their exchange	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	https://coinbr.com/ref?c=Q9gPSuUvYS	[17:02]
MJR_	damn you beating me to the punch lol	[17:02]
MJR_	https://coinbr.com/ref?c=K61tnZTE2J	[17:02]
jurov	haha	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	mine is better tho	[17:02]
MJR_	hahaha	[17:02]
MJR_	his link is only for extra special traders...	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	it comes with good karma and luck	[17:03]
bit_nutz	much appreciated fellas!	[17:03]
MJR_	no problem	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[17:03]
MJR_	we are joking around, jurov runs coinbr	[17:03]
bit_nutz	i'll create two accounts :)	[17:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C188T] 25 @ 0.1535142 = 3.8379 BTC [+]	[17:03]
MJR_	and has a referral program, but that being said, its still the best option to trade on mpex without paying 30btc	[17:03]
bit_nutz	coinbr's seat itself starting to price in....just like one on the comex	[17:04]
MJR_	bit_nutz: you'll get twice the account management fees :( don't recommend that approach, also small fee to withdraw so deposit only what you plan to invest	[17:04]
MJR_	thats the idea	[17:04]
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jurov	the idea is not to use coinbr as wallet	[17:05]
MJR_	TBH, if the future goes the way I think it will, $6k for a seat on MPeX is chump change	[17:05]
bit_nutz	yeah unfortunately not much in the way of alternatives. i greatly appreciate the info so far. I will take a look at coinbr	[17:05]
bit_nutz	totally agreed mjr	[17:05]
MJR_	has anyone actually done the NYSE seat vs MPeX seat metric indicator?	[17:05]
ThickAsThieves	jurov, when/how do referral monies get deposited?	[17:06]
MJR_	I honestly think that soon we will move past OMG its bitcoins	[17:06]
Namworld	idk, but I'm glad i got my MPEx account months ago	[17:06]
ThickAsThieves	i think i referred bgupta	[17:06]
jurov	ThickAsThieves: once every week or two	[17:06]
ThickAsThieves	word	[17:07]
MJR_	and people will just weigh going public on which one provides the best access to capital for the lowest fees...	[17:07]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[17:07]
gribble	MtGox lag is 76.902355 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.154111458378 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).	[17:07]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:07]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 188.90000, Best ask: 189.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 189.00000, 24 hour volume: 88206.66727086, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 191.00000, 24 hour vwap: 170.78915	[17:08]
jcpham	it might have been a bubble last week	[17:09]
jcpham	now we're correcting to 4 digits	[17:10]
jcpham	watch	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	kinda the idea.	[17:10]
jcpham	zoom.	[17:10]
bVector	you cant define a bubble in the present	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	bVector i'm not sure who'd have the guts to MM someone else's service.	[17:11]
bVector	mircea_popescu: I know right? guy has been liquidating contracts below market value instead of MM himself	[17:12]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: will you have to adjust calls to 1000 soon?	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	bVector which seems suspect. i had an adventure mming it months ago	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	it didn't work too well, he got called out for it, fixed some stuff then	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	but it seems it relapsed.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller well im sure eventually.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	bVector http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/	[17:13]
thestringpuller	lol	[17:13]
thestringpuller	;;bids 180	[17:14]
gribble	There are currently 3089.0012 bitcoins demanded at or over 180.0 USD, worth 566325.439336 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0049 seconds	[17:14]
thestringpuller	;;asks 200	[17:14]
gribble	There are currently 9862.9621 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 1929350.42126 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 10.2263 seconds	[17:14]
bVector	mircea_popescu: oh haha I had read that already, but I didnt notice it was from you	[17:14]
thestringpuller	$avg	[17:14]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: 170.08	[17:14]
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mircea_popescu	i c	[17:14]
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jurov	new coin* service: www.coinslut.com	[17:15]
jurov	ffuuuu expensive as hell	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	speaking of which	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999	[17:17]
gribble	There are currently 39430.078 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 420409427.646 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	twitter hottie : @Mircea_Popescu Yes. I don't want to see dude feet any more than I have to.	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[17:17]
gribble	There are currently 31457697 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11443716.5492 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 13.4931 seconds	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	my reply : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/vali-perfu-grupu-de-puleti-si-succesele-online-trei-pasi-simpli/ Scroll down to last pic. I'm wearing the suit.	[17:17]
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mircea_popescu	her reply is probably arriving chunked.	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	plateau coming to an end soon probly	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	uptick possible	[17:18]
MJR_	yes i saw coinslut	[17:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 130 @ 0.00301846 = 0.3924 BTC [+]	[17:18]
MJR_	another imitator of buttcoin i suppose	[17:18]
MJR_	jk	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	there it goes!	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:20]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 190.98699, Best ask: 190.98700, Bid-ask spread: 0.00001, Last trade: 190.98700, 24 hour volume: 87974.69014358, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 191.00000, 24 hour vwap: 171.11316	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[17:20]
gribble	MtGox lag is 2.538403 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00508693119062 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).	[17:20]
bVector	mircea_popescu: is there a better site with bitcoin futures?	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	bVector the jesse powell character is making something	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	kraken.com	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	maybe tghat works out.	[17:20]
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bVector	is he known to be trusted? I haven't heard of him	[17:23]
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deadweasel	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170394.new#new	[17:27]
deadweasel	scammers be scammin	[17:27]
error4733	;;ticker	[17:28]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 192.20000, Best ask: 193.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 192.20000, 24 hour volume: 88061.73622108, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 191.00000, 24 hour vwap: 171.14007	[17:28]
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MJR_	has anything come of kraken yet? their website still had ipsum dolor text on it last i saw	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	bVector he's of the old guard.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	haven't heard him associated with any serious scam.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	MJR_ not afauik	[17:31]
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punkman	who's jesse powell?	[17:34]
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pizzaman1337	;;ticker	[17:35]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 192.99001, Best ask: 193.09998, Bid-ask spread: 0.10997, Last trade: 191.50000, 24 hour volume: 90183.15818362, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 193.45000, 24 hour vwap: 171.75101	[17:35]
pizzaman1337	golly	[17:35]
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deadweasel	punkman> who's jesse powell?	[17:36]
deadweasel	punkman> who's jesse powell?	[17:36]
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deadweasel	kraken guy? any other projects?	[17:37]
punkman	btcx.com which redirectis to ogrr.com	[17:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 220 @ 0.0029 = 0.638 BTC [-]	[17:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 210 @ 0.00286 = 0.6006 BTC [-]	[17:38]
punkman	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159974.0	[17:38]
punkman	^ kraken announcement	[17:38]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7889 BTC [+]	[17:41]
ZedsterX	kraken open?	[17:41]
ZedsterX	nope	[17:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C188T] 6 @ 0.15614512 = 0.9369 BTC [+]	[17:43]
taub	that's a really slick looking site	[17:43]
punkman	https://dl.dropbox.com/u/86939820/pics/bitcoin/20130404_Kraken_Bernanke.png heh	[17:43]
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lippoper	;;ticker	[17:44]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 194.50000, Best ask: 194.73000, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 194.73000, 24 hour volume: 89843.21704685, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.50002, 24 hour vwap: 172.12077	[17:44]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: why is the bot not quoting?	[17:44]
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ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999	[17:46]
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ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlaglag	[17:47]
gribble	Error: "goxlaglag" is not a valid command.	[17:47]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[17:47]
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deadweasel	is kraken doing an ipo on mpex	[17:47]
deadweasel	?	[17:47]
gribble	There are currently 36581.849 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 419801324.502 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 164.9477 seconds	[17:48]
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thestringpuller	$avg	[17:48]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: 170.98	[17:48]
gribble	Error: Problem retrieving gox lag. Try again later.	[17:48]
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ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[17:49]
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gribble	There are currently 31464437 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11366933.4495 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0111 seconds	[17:50]
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ThickAsThieves	195 soon if gox will allow it	[17:51]
pizzaman1337	;;goxlag	[17:51]
gribble	MtGox lag is 58.739646 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.117713592902 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU).	[17:52]
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lippoper	;;avg	[17:52]
gribble	Error: "avg" is not a valid command.	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	its also amazing that ltc is holding value thru this	[17:52]
lippoper	;;average	[17:52]
gribble	Error: "average" is not a valid command.	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	$avg	[17:52]
lippoper	$avg	[17:52]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: 171.16	[17:52]
mpexbot	lippoper: 171.16	[17:52]
lippoper	ehehe	[17:52]
lippoper	;;asks 300	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 15948.06 bitcoins offered at or under 300.0 USD, worth 3706948.78658 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0021 seconds	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 199.94	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 3855.1291 bitcoins offered at or under 199.94 USD, worth 759220.047747 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 10.5840 seconds	[17:53]
lippoper	;;asks 50	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 50.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 14.8828 seconds	[17:53]
lippoper	;;asks 90	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 90.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 23.6206 seconds	[17:53]
lippoper	;;asks 110	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 110.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 27.8344 seconds	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	?	[17:53]
lippoper	;;asks 150	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 33.5021 seconds	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:53]
lippoper	wow	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	bids	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 150	[17:53]
gribble	There are currently 18429.761 bitcoins demanded at or over 150.0 USD, worth 3051393.88302 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 46.7858 seconds	[17:53]
lippoper	doh	[17:53]
lippoper	thanks	[17:54]
lippoper	;;bids 50	[17:54]
gribble	There are currently 80504.919 bitcoins demanded at or over 50.0 USD, worth 8958437.24309 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 68.8759 seconds	[17:54]
lippoper	lol	[17:54]
lippoper	;;bids 30	[17:54]
gribble	There are currently 105045.26 bitcoins demanded at or over 30.0 USD, worth 9923771.06027 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 88.2456 seconds	[17:54]
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ThickAsThieves	lag at 219s...	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	the price is too damn high!	[17:55]
lippoper	the rent is too damn high	[17:56]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C200T] 70 @ 0.13203322 = 9.2423 BTC [+]	[17:56]
lippoper	sell?	[17:56]
lippoper	hedge?	[17:56]
lippoper	what to hedge with, LTCs?	[17:56]
lippoper	PPCs	[17:56]
lippoper	PCPs?	[17:56]
lippoper	hehe	[17:56]
pizzaman1337	mpex options	[17:56]
lippoper	I don't really understand the options at all ;-(	[17:57]
lippoper	is there a FAQ for like 4 year olds?	[17:57]
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zomgwtfninjabbq	hi all	[17:58]
MJR_	zomgwtfninjabbq: what up!	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	its kinda suspicious that gox and bitcoincharts lag out at the same time	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	not absurd, but if you are the tinfoil hat type...	[17:59]
deadweasel	lippoper: https://www.bitcoinforum.com/coinbr-com/call-option-calculation/?PHPSESSID=jabiqffp0mrceg0a2j6u43tm65	[18:00]
thestringpuller	$avg	[18:00]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[18:00]
thestringpuller	;;bc,24hprc	[18:01]
gribble	Error: Failed to retrieve data. Try again later.	[18:01]
thestringpuller	;;goxlags	[18:01]
gribble	Error: "goxlags" is not a valid command.	[18:01]
pizzaman1337	aw	[18:01]
deadweasel	;;goxlag	[18:01]
gribble	MtGox lag is 357.72889 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.716884690228 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).	[18:01]
thestringpuller	;;goxlag	[18:01]
gribble	MtGox lag is 360.213922 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.721864666532 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Venus (0.72 AU).	[18:01]
deadweasel	$avg	[18:02]
mpexbot	deadweasel: 171.67	[18:02]
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MJR_	;;goxlag	[18:08]
gribble	MtGox lag is 14.881836 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0298230327187 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU).	[18:08]
MJR_	;;ticker	[18:08]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 192.07865, Best ask: 193.99900, Bid-ask spread: 1.92035, Last trade: 190.00000, 24 hour volume: 90533.62221495, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 172.38382	[18:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00247 BTC [+]	[18:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 3 @ 0.00248 = 0.0074 BTC [+]	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/04/08/sticky-fingers-thieves-steal-5-tons-nutella-chocolate-spread-from-trailer-in/	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin's competition.	[18:10]
punkman	https://peerbet.org/list.php	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	5 tons is only $20000?	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	glad i'm not in the sugary spread business	[18:12]
zomgwtfninjabbq	seriously thats weak sauce	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	how much would you want it to be	[18:12]
lippoper	as much as maple syrup	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	16 euros a kg. seems plenty.	[18:13]
zomgwtfninjabbq	5 tons should be more	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	maple syrup is overpriced.	[18:13]
MJR_	;;calc 0.43325828 * 172	[18:13]
gribble	74.52042416	[18:13]
gesell	ThickAsThieves: as i remember, mtgox sponsors bitcoincharts hosting so not so odd i guess that they would experiance similar uptimes	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	yeah! points at bitcoinity :D	[18:13]
mircea_popescu	zomgwtfninjabbq hm actually you have a point, 5 tons for 16k is cheapo	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	i use bitcoinity now on my tablet as a 2nd monitor	[18:13]
zomgwtfninjabbq	look at the OP price @ walmart http://www.walmart.com/ip/17194868?wmlspartner=wlpa&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=&wl3=21486607510&wl4=&wl5=pla&veh=sem	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	i'm so 2013	[18:13]
zomgwtfninjabbq	those guys should be millionaries if they can move the product lol	[18:14]
lippoper	26.5oz = $115	[18:14]
zomgwtfninjabbq	its a pack of 12	[18:14]
zomgwtfninjabbq	in all fairness :)	[18:14]
lippoper	12*26.5 = $115	[18:15]
lippoper	;;calc 12*26.5	[18:15]
gribble	318	[18:15]
thestringpuller	;;seen smickles	[18:15]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 23 hours, 33 minutes, and 10 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm	[18:15]
lippoper	;;seen KRS1	[18:15]
gribble	KRS1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 13 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: then unF unF unF all night long buttsecks	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	whats the next largest market to gox?	[18:17]
lippoper	lol	[18:17]
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ThickAsThieves	there was a girl in here!	[18:17]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [+]	[18:17]
jcpham	GO AWAY NO SECUITIES HERE gp5st	[18:18]
gp5st	?	[18:18]
*	jcpham laughs	[18:18]
jcpham	i saw what coingenuity said	[18:18]
gp5st	yes, i don't expect to be anonomous on here	[18:18]
gp5st	i'm just curious why you're sending me away before i even said anything	[18:19]
lippoper	mtgox first, then bitstamp ?	[18:19]
coingenuity	hes just joking	[18:19]
lippoper	btc-e	[18:19]
lippoper	1. mtgox	[18:19]
lippoper	2. bitstamp	[18:19]
lippoper	3. btc-e	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	182	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	190	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:20]
lippoper	193 at bitstamp	[18:20]
lippoper	180 at btc-e	[18:20]
lippoper	190 at gox	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	8 minites ago...	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	minutes*	[18:21]
lippoper	not that much different now	[18:21]
lippoper	lol	[18:21]
lippoper	180	[18:21]
lippoper	;goxlag	[18:21]
lippoper	;;goxlag	[18:21]
gribble	MtGox lag is 530.31955 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.06275444045 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).	[18:21]
lippoper	There are no sell orders in mtgox LMAO	[18:22]
lippoper	http://bitcoinity.org/markets?currency=USD&exchange=mtgox	[18:22]
MJR_	so...	[18:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C167T] 12 @ 0.21687369 = 2.6025 BTC	[18:22]
lippoper	so it rebounded right back	[18:22]
lippoper	to 190 and back to 180	[18:23]
lippoper	it looks crazy	[18:23]
MJR_	lol	[18:23]
lippoper	and back again	[18:23]
lippoper	;;ticker	[18:23]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 185.00000, Best ask: 188.00000, Bid-ask spread: 3.00000, Last trade: 188.00000, 24 hour volume: 90533.62221495, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 172.38382	[18:23]
deadweasel	rip roarin' monday!	[18:24]
taub	trading with this lag is so risky...	[18:24]
lippoper	;;goxlag	[18:24]
gribble	MtGox lag is 547.256203 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.09669530343 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).	[18:24]
MJR_	its hilarious is what it is	[18:24]
MJR_	HAHAHA	[18:24]
deadweasel	gotta get your sea legs lippoper	[18:24]
MJR_	that is insane lag	[18:24]
lippoper	on btc-e.com last night, someone sold and bought a btc for 1 euro, fat finger typo, brought the price down temporarily	[18:24]
MJR_	watch spread hit $10, people hitting both bid and ask...cuz limit orders are too l33t	[18:24]
taub	with limit you risk getting your order in in 10 minutes and price being way somewhere else already	[18:25]
jcpham	i was joking gp5st	[18:25]
taub	and not getting a fill, with market order the same, getting a fill when you DONT want it hah	[18:25]
jcpham	totally	[18:25]
gp5st	jcpham: no worries:)	[18:26]
MJR_	well...good point...same risk with market	[18:26]
MJR_	but at least i know what price i would get with limit	[18:26]
MJR_	dude the book is so flat right now	[18:26]
lippoper	;;ticker	[18:26]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 189.00000, Best ask: 189.09253, Bid-ask spread: 0.09253, Last trade: 189.09253, 24 hour volume: 90533.62221495, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 172.38382	[18:26]
MJR_	;;bids 0	[18:27]
gribble	There are currently 31464316 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10965315.338 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 55.2956 seconds	[18:27]
lippoper	;;bids 190	[18:27]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 190.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 68.5139 seconds	[18:27]
lippoper	;;bids 189	[18:27]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 189.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 77.1948 seconds	[18:27]
lippoper	;;bids 188	[18:27]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins demanded at or over 188.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 88.2749 seconds	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999999	[18:27]
gribble	There are currently 38611.831 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999999.0 USD, worth 124133572427.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 92.3664 seconds	[18:27]
lippoper	;;asks 188	[18:27]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 188.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 97.7439 seconds	[18:27]
lippoper	;;asks 185	[18:28]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 185.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 110.1619 seconds	[18:28]
lippoper	;;bids 185	[18:28]
gribble	There are currently 59.464252 bitcoins demanded at or over 185.0 USD, worth 11003.0167388 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 113.8411 seconds	[18:28]
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lippoper	;;seen krs-1	[18:28]
gribble	krs-1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 1 hour, 5 minutes, and 20 seconds ago: you should use haskell	[18:28]
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MJR_	damn the 194 bubble popped	[18:31]
MJR_	we're only at 188 now :(	[18:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.3102 = 0.6204 BTC [+]	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	aww	[18:34]
taub	as long as 180 holds	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[18:34]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 183.94810, Best ask: 184.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05190, Last trade: 184.00000, 24 hour volume: 90533.62221495, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 172.38382	[18:34]
error4733	now way maybe a big correction to 150 ?	[18:35]
error4733	:D	[18:35]
bitesak	;;goxlag	[18:35]
gribble	MtGox lag is 626.757022 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.25601405457 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Earth (1 AU).	[18:35]
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jurov	Mt. Gox verification queue: 15500	[18:36]
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MJR_	geez that would be nice	[18:40]
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deadweasel	;;goxlag	[18:40]
gribble	MtGox lag is 723.534724 seconds. During this time, light travels 1.4499554858 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mars (1.52 AU).	[18:40]
troc	they claim 21 employess will/are processing that queue	[18:41]
troc	how long does it take to actually verify a jpg do some data input ?	[18:42]
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troc	do they actually do a proper authenticity check from some one in say uruguay ?	[18:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.25001 BTC [-]	[18:43]
troc	document authenticity*	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[18:43]
jurov	can't imagine... they would annoy all emmassies in tokyo	[18:43]
jurov	*embassies	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	the ability to verify arbitrary worldwide identity documents costs more than the entire bitcoin implicit mkt cap	[18:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 10 @ 0.25 = 2.5 BTC [-]	[18:44]
troc	so this AML/KYC is a tick box excercise ?	[18:44]
troc	they have the data just in case	[18:44]
punkman	theatre	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	well the entire system is nonsense, so.	[18:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 16 @ 0.24 = 3.84 BTC [-]	[18:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.89 BTC [-]	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	aml/kyc exists so administration can claim "it's bank's fault" no matter what.	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	bank accepts this because it's nationalised anyway, not owned by someone to tell administration to get bent.	[18:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.3102 BTC [+]	[18:48]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.12 BTC [+]	[18:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 32 @ 0.119 = 3.808 BTC [-]	[18:50]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 34 @ 0.0038 = 0.1292 BTC [-]	[18:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00336 BTC [-]	[18:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.003222 = 0.0322 BTC [-]	[18:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 28 @ 0.003221 = 0.0902 BTC [-]	[18:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 27 @ 0.00321 = 0.0867 BTC [-]	[18:52]
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ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 999999999	[18:56]
gribble	There are currently 31463914 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11289394.0852 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0106 seconds	[18:56]
gribble	There are currently 42369.685 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999.0 USD, worth 3024365298.1 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.4389 seconds	[18:56]
ThickAsThieves	price gon dip more	[18:57]
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MJR_	what was that second order volatility instrument jurov?	[18:59]
MJR_	volatility of volatility	[18:59]
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jurov	https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.MPBPT-E , choose Options	[19:00]
jurov	but, as i said, it may be unusable	[19:00]
MJR_	yeah...we'll see, worth looking at	[19:00]
MJR_	could be good with a short straddle	[19:00]
MJR_	:)	[19:00]
jurov	plus, ukto asks 10% fee on them	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	"Dodd-Frank and Basel III rules are changing the OTC derivatives landscape significantly. http://bit.ly/Zd8VLy"	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	and i'm like... yeah, significantly.	[19:01]
MJR_	its mpoe bond pass through?	[19:01]
jurov	yes	[19:01]
MJR_	that is a measure of volatility?	[19:02]
jurov	if there's very high volatility, bonds lose	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	that's not exactly it	[19:02]
jurov	if there's medium volatility, they are more profitable	[19:02]
MJR_	yeah, its a pseudo measure	[19:02]
jurov	so yeah it's nontrivial	[19:02]
MJR_	yeah	[19:03]
MJR_	something though	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	yeah, i'd say high volatility increases their risk to either lose a lot or make a lot,.	[19:03]
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MJR_	but it doesn't really do well for directional choices	[19:03]
MJR_	that is true...a strong downward pressure could prob make a ton right now	[19:03]
jurov	alternatively, you can do second order for difficulty	[19:03]
jurov	options for https://bitfunder.com/asset/CoinBr.iDiff-E	[19:04]
MJR_	that is cool too	[19:04]
MJR_	i guess what i was thinking was an option on a straddle...	[19:05]
jurov	if you dare to price something like that...	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	going up again	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	or not	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:08]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 180.99000, Best ask: 181.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 181.00000, 24 hour volume: 93351.05877440, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 173.59011	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170399.0 this is lol	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	considering the wallet has received 1.307 total, the man made a big impact	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:12]
TomServo	heh, 'moment of weakness'. Yes, I'm sure it was fleeting.	[19:12]
thestringpuller	This is the greatest thing I have ever seen.	[19:13]
pgp	what about implied volatility on MPOE options?	[19:16]
pgp	is their some sort of measure?	[19:16]
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thestringpuller	LOL	[19:17]
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ThickAsThieves	179.50	[19:17]
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jurov	pgp, their price?	[19:19]
pgp	not really - wouldn't work that way...	[19:19]
thestringpuller	jurov: doesn't mpoe take in a volatility greek in it's pricing	[19:20]
lippoper	;;ticker	[19:20]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 180.10000, Best ask: 181.76618, Bid-ask spread: 1.66618, Last trade: 180.10000, 24 hour volume: 93351.05877440, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 173.59011	[19:20]
jurov	thestringpuller: how would i know?	[19:20]
pgp	and we're talking about the implied volatility on the 24 hour average...	[19:20]
ThickAsThieves	$avg	[19:20]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[19:20]
thestringpuller	jurov: based on all the trades you've made I dunno	[19:20]
pgp	what? vega?	[19:21]
thestringpuller	don't you know B-S or is that just smickles and popescu?	[19:21]
MJR_	http://www.bloomberg.com/video/bitcoin-market-represents-greed-analyst-says-X9C8_Bn2Tayvd_l46IYx2g.html	[19:21]
MJR_	^^^ LOLZ	[19:21]
MJR_	SOCGen analyst using tulip analogy	[19:21]
jurov	but i don't know the formula. mp has his properietary one, smickles didn't release it too	[19:21]
jurov	it is certainly derived from greeks	[19:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 50 @ 0.1 = 5 BTC [-]	[19:22]
thestringpuller	the BCB is doing it's job i seems	[19:23]
thestringpuller	it*	[19:24]
thestringpuller	:D	[19:24]
thestringpuller	$avg	[19:24]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: 172.58	[19:24]
lippoper	watching video	[19:25]
lippoper	;;ticker	[19:26]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 175.00000, Best ask: 176.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 175.00000, 24 hour volume: 97038.53628561, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 174.54363	[19:26]
lippoper	buffering for ever	[19:27]
lippoper	argh	[19:27]
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lippoper	let me know when you're all done watching it	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 999999999999	[19:27]
gribble	There are currently 45540.708 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999999.0 USD, worth 1.42184431699e+12 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0295 seconds	[19:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7889 BTC [+]	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	still possibly 5000+ coins that might be sold into bids	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	;;market --sell 5000	[19:28]
gribble	A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 836963.8067 USD and would take the last price down to 161.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 167.3928 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 32.2451 seconds	[19:28]
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IronSalad	-assets	[19:28]
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lippoper	so 161 eh?	[19:30]
lippoper	sell now, buy low?	[19:30]
lippoper	;;market --buy 5000	[19:30]
gribble	A market order to buy 5000 bitcoins right now would take 922755.3103 USD and would take the last price up to 193.9201 USD, resulting in an average price of 184.5511 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 62.1115 seconds	[19:30]
Scrat	gox sucking major dick again	[19:30]
Scrat	;;goxlag	[19:30]
gribble	MtGox lag is 113.779906 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.228013657681 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).	[19:30]
lippoper	with this coxlag, it's too late	[19:31]
lippoper	by the time i get the sell in, it'll be at the lowest	[19:31]
lippoper	lol	[19:31]
Scrat	it appears that legit customers are ddos'ing the poor engine again	[19:31]
lippoper	;;goxlag	[19:32]
lippoper	$avg	[19:32]
lippoper	;;ticker	[19:32]
gribble	MtGox lag is 147.167236 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.294921493178 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one month (0.2988 AU).	[19:32]
mpexbot	lippoper: 174.38	[19:32]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 173.00000, Best ask: 173.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 172.16000, 24 hour volume: 97038.53628561, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 174.54363	[19:32]
thestringpuller	$avg	[19:32]
mpexbot	thestringpuller: 174.38	[19:32]
pgp	gox blows...	[19:32]
thestringpuller	Okay woo that's better	[19:32]
pgp	watching life in slow motion	[19:32]
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lippoper	we're going back to 175	[19:33]
lippoper	i mean 174	[19:33]
kakobrekla	i mean 17.4	[19:34]
lippoper	$avg	[19:35]
mpexbot	lippoper: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[19:35]
lippoper	hehe	[19:35]
lippoper	bot error	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 9999999	[19:35]
gribble	There are currently 46302.391 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999.0 USD, worth 197897107.999 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 64.0835 seconds	[19:35]
ThickAsThieves	could still fall under 170	[19:36]
lippoper	you figured that from the asks just now?	[19:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.789 BTC [+]	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	total coins for sale	[19:36]
lippoper	i knew i should've sold at 181, to buy back now	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	it was 38000 this morning	[19:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.789 BTC [+]	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[19:36]
gribble	There are currently 31360932 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10408947.2577 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0105 seconds	[19:36]
ThickAsThieves	and total usd was 11.5m	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	so we are deflating	[19:37]
lippoper	but that's due to the price drop	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	no	[19:37]
kakobrekla	just a weekend dip xD	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:37]
kakobrekla	they tend not to happen over the weekend latley	[19:38]
lippoper	thought it was calculating 31360932 * 173 vs 31360932 * 185	[19:38]
kakobrekla	so it must be it	[19:38]
lippoper	;;calc 31360932 * 171	[19:38]
gribble	5362719372	[19:38]
lippoper	;;calc 31360932 * 185	[19:38]
gribble	5801772420	[19:38]
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thestringpuller	fjf	[19:39]
lippoper	just some dudes looking to make a quick buck	[19:39]
lippoper	;;market --sell 5000	[19:40]
gribble	A market order to sell 5000 bitcoins right now would net 829476.2546 USD and would take the last price down to 160.3793 USD, resulting in an average price of 165.8953 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0005 seconds	[19:40]
lippoper	;;market --buy 5000	[19:40]
gribble	A market order to buy 5000 bitcoins right now would take 929727.7045 USD and would take the last price up to 193.9201 USD, resulting in an average price of 185.9455 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 23.6669 seconds	[19:40]
lippoper	you sell that for $829,476 and buy back lower when others panic sell.	[19:40]
lippoper	;;help	[19:40]
gribble	The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation: http://gribble.sourceforge.net/	[19:40]
taub	I think it's plausable that mtgox fakes lag	[19:41]
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taub	to help them time the market and make big profits themselves	[19:41]
lippoper	;;market buy --usd 829,476	[19:42]
gribble	Error: '829,476' is not a valid floating point number.	[19:42]
taub	they could look x mins into the future	[19:42]
lippoper	;;market buy --usd 829476	[19:42]
gribble	A market order to buy 829476.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 4482.4317 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 192.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 185.0504 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 0.0003 seconds	[19:42]
MJR_	already coming back	[19:42]
lippoper	;;ticker	[19:42]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 176.00000, Best ask: 178.90000, Bid-ask spread: 2.90000, Last trade: 178.90000, 24 hour volume: 97038.53628561, 24 hour low: 152.25000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 174.54363	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	wait	[19:42]
lippoper	;;obip	[19:43]
gribble	(obip ) -- Calculate the "order book implied price", by finding the weighted average price of coins BTC up and down from the spread.	[19:43]
lippoper	;;nextretarget	[19:43]
gribble	231839	[19:43]
lippoper	;;bcstats	[19:43]
kakobrekla	goxlag http://jezus.si:81/render/?title=Mtgox+Lag+-+1+hour&vtitle=Seconds&from=-1hour&width=500&height=250&until=now&areaMode=none&lineMode=connected&target=alias%28bitcoin.mtgox.lag%2C%22Mtgox_lag%22%29	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	;;obip 165-195	[19:44]
gribble	Error: '165-195' is not a valid floating point number.	[19:44]
gribble	Current Blocks: 230317 \| Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 \| Next Difficulty In: 1522 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 21 hours, 36 minutes, and 50 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 8894294.12027 \| Estimated Percent Change: 15.91678	[19:44]
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ThickAsThieves	;;obip 165 195	[19:44]
gribble	(obip ) -- Calculate the "order book implied price", by finding the weighted average price of coins BTC up and down from the spread.	[19:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.00995 = 0.1493 BTC [+]	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	;;obip 165	[19:44]
gribble	The weighted average price of BTC, 165.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 175.78545 USD. \| Data vintage: 102.6372 seconds	[19:44]
taub	;;obip 9999	[19:44]
gribble	The weighted average price of BTC, 9999.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 176.23661 USD. \| Data vintage: 110.7134 seconds	[19:44]
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benkay	bitcoin-qt is a goddamn resource hog.	[19:44]
taub	;;obip 99999	[19:44]
gribble	Error: The width provided extends past the edge of the order book. Please use a smaller width.	[19:44]
lippoper	;;totalbc	[19:44]
gribble	11007950.0	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 99999999999	[19:44]
gribble	There are currently 45919.694 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999999.0 USD, worth 124134955395.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 14.5671 seconds	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	;;obip 45919	[19:45]
gribble	The weighted average price of BTC, 45919.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 596185.33923 USD. \| Data vintage: 22.1521 seconds	[19:45]
lippoper	;;obip 6	[19:45]
gribble	The weighted average price of BTC, 6.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 176.99167 USD. \| Data vintage: 42.9386 seconds	[19:45]
taub	yea lol that doesnt mean aynthing	[19:45]
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lippoper	;;obip 1	[19:45]
gribble	The weighted average price of BTC, 1.0 coins up and down from the spread, is 177.00000 USD. \| Data vintage: 60.2608 seconds	[19:45]
taub	but the ratio of all btc offered / usd offered went from 299 to 240 during this dip	[19:46]
taub	wait, usd/btc	[19:46]
ThickAsThieves	so i think what we're seeing is, an initial run up from lack of coins on the market over the weekend, then everyone scrambling to get coins into gox this morning, then selling	[19:46]
MJR_	ThickAsThieves; makes sense	[19:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.10289 BTC [+]	[19:47]
lippoper	makes sense	[19:47]
lippoper	(lulz)	[19:47]
ThickAsThieves	which puts our "real" price at about 169	[19:47]
jurov	butbutbut it's climbing again	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	only reason it wouldnt dip that low is if sellers hold out and cause a nother dip later	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	which would be prudent	[19:48]
ThickAsThieves	let bids build back up to 185 or so, then sell off again	[19:49]
Skarr	no lag!	[19:49]
benkay	"prudent"	[19:49]
benkay	how is it prudent for someone to sell these notionally-valued strings?	[19:50]
ThickAsThieves	well, for the past 3 months, its remained quite true that waiting to sell is prudent, no?	[19:50]
ThickAsThieves	lol bitcoinity rollercoaster	[19:50]
benkay	yeah but who cares about the past three months	[19:50]
benkay	this is disruptive fintech	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	fuck everything nyah!	[19:51]
benkay	no i get it	[19:51]
pgp	disruptive fintech... i like the sound of that	[19:51]
benkay	i'm just expressing disbelief at the sheer volume of idiots in the world	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	you must be young	[19:51]
Skarr	I'm guessing we now have our range, 172-194. And we'll see a symmetric wedge develop within that, centered around the 183 price point, while another day of consolidation around this new price point occurs. Then the next leg-up.	[19:52]
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pgp	it is startling to see how quickly it's moving up... $500 ain't so far away anymore...	[19:52]
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Skarr	ThickAsThieves - I'd agree fully your theory is what kick-started the run/sell-off.	[19:52]
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lippoper	almost halfway	[19:52]
lippoper	all within a month	[19:53]
deadweasel	weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! price coaster! :D	[19:53]
pgp	It is also true that much of the liquidity dynamics has to do with mt gox back office operations....	[19:53]
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ThickAsThieves	if you think about, you can call sellers and buyers idiots	[19:53]
lippoper	at this rate, in another month, it'll be $500	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	they are both too aggressive	[19:53]
benkay	totes disagree	[19:53]
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benkay	thickasthieves	[19:53]
ThickAsThieves	well obv buyers will pay any price	[19:54]
benkay	"pay" "price"	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	so why sell into bids?	[19:54]
benkay	us "buyers" need a decent place to store value	[19:54]
lippoper	yeah	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	ok	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	you need it NOW	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	?	[19:54]
benkay	it literally does not matter at which price we put accrued value into the lockbox	[19:54]
lippoper	you need to classify "buyers"	[19:54]
lippoper	there are 2 types of buyers at least	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	anyone not "playing" the market	[19:55]
lippoper	1 that is a consumer, actually exchanging USD to BTC to use it.	[19:55]
benkay	everyone who wants to preserve capital	[19:55]
lippoper	and 2 an investor type, who hoards it to sell later.	[19:55]
deadweasel	;;goxlag	[19:55]
gribble	MtGox lag is 143.77873 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.288130965093 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one month (0.2988 AU).	[19:55]
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ThickAsThieves	people buying btc to use it are tiny slice of the pie	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/grave-concerns-re-mtgox/	[19:55]
mircea_popescu	if anyone's curious, i'm adding gox to the suspected scam list.	[19:56]
MJR_	LOL ^^	[19:57]
benkay	gross	[19:57]
benkay	why can nobody run a business?	[19:57]
benkay	how does one trip and fall into a ponzi scheme?	[19:57]
MJR_	hahaha	[19:58]
benkay	i just want to work with grownups	[19:58]
MJR_	bitcoin can get a little too "lord of the flies" huh?	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	heh	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	we still got a ways to go to growunupland	[19:59]
ThickAsThieves	mp i truly hope you are wrong	[19:59]
benkay	mircea_popescu does spend a disturbingly large amount of time talking shit, yes MJR	[19:59]
ThickAsThieves	but their behavior is questionable indeed	[19:59]
MJR_	look around...they are chasing piggy over there...scared of some monster	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves maybe i am. i don't see it tho.	[20:00]
MJR_	fighting over a conch (is that the foundation, gavin, luke jr etc?)	[20:00]
MJR_	surprisingly apt for a flippant remark	[20:00]
benkay	symbols over real things	[20:00]
benkay	world has problem with this	[20:00]
benkay	actually	[20:00]
benkay	idiots have a problem with this. confusing real things for the symbols.	[20:01]
benkay	and there are giant scads of idiots in the world.	[20:01]
MJR_	benkay: there is a lot to talk shit about...mircea calls a spade a spade...better to fix it than to be polite to it	[20:01]
benkay	i just like poking at him, mjr	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	if you are right, isnt this the equivalent of a draining hot wallet	[20:01]
benkay	it's how i pretend i matter	[20:01]
ThickAsThieves	where it will just get worse and worse very quickly	[20:01]
MJR_	benkay: you matter, everyone here who is so entertaining and educational matters	[20:01]
benkay	you flatter me, and that triggers alarm bells.	[20:02]
MJR_	guys...are you watching the price? we are climbing back up right now	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	i guess they dont even need to be using fake btc to manipulate price at this point	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	230s lag mjr_	[20:02]
MJR_	oh i know	[20:02]
ThickAsThieves	we arent going anywhere	[20:02]
MJR_	this is vega as fuck	[20:02]
benkay	"fake btc"	[20:02]
MJR_	and i love it	[20:02]
benkay	make me cry	[20:02]
MJR_	this is like vega from street fighter II	[20:02]
MJR_	note to self: super hero cartoon tv show based on greek options symbols	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yes.	[20:03]
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ThickAsThieves	my brother "Oh, and I sold a Skylander for $60. Bought it for $20, so screw your damn coins!"	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	is anyone really any more trustworthy than Gox though?	[20:05]
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ThickAsThieves	not saying they are trustworthy, so much as, is anyone?	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	plenty of people.	[20:05]
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ThickAsThieves	if majority market traffic moves to bitinstant, then they have same incentive to deceive	[20:06]
MJR_	mpex	[20:06]
MJR_	jurov	[20:06]
MJR_	smickles	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, that's a problem.	[20:06]
MJR_	prob nanotube?	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	i would trust nanotube yes.	[20:06]
MJR_	namworld	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	none of them run currency exchanges	[20:06]
MJR_	evoorhees	[20:06]
benkay	it's the worst business	[20:06]
MJR_	the list goes on	[20:06]
benkay	it will attract the dumbest players	[20:06]
benkay	someone should fix that.	[20:06]
jurov	Ukto. He runs weexchange	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	benkay eyah this is a problem.	[20:07]
lippoper	can't i just sell bitcoins to wells fargo?	[20:07]
lippoper	KRS1 told me that	[20:07]
lippoper	;;seen krs1	[20:07]
gribble	krs1 was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 2 hours, 5 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: then unF unF unF all night long buttsecks	[20:07]
lippoper	lol	[20:07]
ThickAsThieves	so MP, instead of losing XX,XXX btc on options due to being Gox'd, tighten the algo, and use the money to show em how its done	[20:08]
ThickAsThieves	with a real currency exchange	[20:08]
benkay	yeah mircea_popescu distract yourself from the exchange	[20:09]
benkay	the actual important part of the ecosystem	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	i;m not making a fiat exchange	[20:09]
ThickAsThieves	i dont blame you	[20:09]
benkay	come on	[20:09]
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lippoper	;ticker	[20:09]
lippoper	;;ticker	[20:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 180.28900, Best ask: 186.10000, Bid-ask spread: 5.81100, Last trade: 186.10000, 24 hour volume: 100099.75681545, 24 hour low: 155.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 176.22978	[20:09]
benkay	banks should take over exchange biz in the US.	[20:10]
benkay	assertion ^^	[20:11]
benkay	thoughts?	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	ideally.	[20:11]
lippoper	we're trying to be decentralized	[20:11]
lippoper	but yeah, it would be nice if we could exchange money there for fiat	[20:11]
lippoper	err ^^ btc for fiat/money	[20:12]
jurov	banks need to figure out how to do it profitably	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	banks cant even make a decent online banking website]	[20:12]
lippoper	Fees	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	nevermind sort out btc	[20:12]
benkay	dude	[20:12]
benkay	it's shifting bits around	[20:12]
benkay	there is zero cost to it	[20:12]
jurov	if they ask huge fees, street competition would spring immediately	[20:12]
benkay	okay not zero	[20:12]
benkay	but trivial	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, for anyone curious about the old days : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444.msg3866#msg3866	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	not trivial to banks	[20:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.25103 BTC [-]	[20:13]
Scrat	shifting non reversible bits	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	"https://mtgox.com/users/login?username=SmokeTooMuch&password=XXXXXXX	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck!?! use hashes for transmitting and saving passwords!!!!"	[20:13]
benkay	shit should be a fucking account feature	[20:13]
jurov	it's not like credit cards where you can;t legally compete with them	[20:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 5 @ 0.25102 = 1.2551 BTC [-]	[20:13]
ThickAsThieves	they hate spending money on IT	[20:13]
benkay	i hate them	[20:13]
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benkay	i hate everyone who doesn't spend money on it	[20:13]
benkay	nobody seems to understand that 2 nerds and 50k of server equipment will trash your competitors, if properly managed	[20:14]
benkay	and venture capitalists are obsessed with new businesses	[20:14]
benkay	not breaking old businesses	[20:14]
benkay	and i get that, but at the same time i break things all day every day	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	nerd cant "properly manage" much, as you can see	[20:14]
benkay	2 nerds and a manager	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	manager must be a nerd too	[20:15]
benkay	dude	[20:15]
benkay	get off me	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	nobody seems to understand that 2 nerds and 50k of server equipment will trash your competitors, if properly managed << i understand lol.	[20:15]
benkay	i work in this space	[20:15]
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benkay	i have seen the damage that non technical managers can wreak on a team	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	all i'm saying is banks never really caught up with tech	[20:16]
benkay	i actually like team dynamics, which makes me a weird nerd.	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	so its hard	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 999999999	[20:16]
gribble	There are currently 46992.924 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999.0 USD, worth 3025256372.08 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 78.1869 seconds	[20:16]
benkay	mircea_popescu you built a 50m fiat-valued company in less than3 years	[20:16]
benkay	i'm not exactly including you in the idiot bucket	[20:16]
benkay	also you're like a gangster or something terrifying	[20:17]
jurov	it's traditional thing. around here it is better, everything done electronically, in some banks you can send money using internet instantly anytime to other account in same bank	[20:17]
benkay	i know!	[20:17]
benkay	i do this!	[20:17]
jurov	but still, interbank transfer, 1 day	[20:17]
jurov	sepa 2 days	[20:17]
ThickAsThieves	get ready for another price dip	[20:17]
benkay	hahaha	[20:17]
benkay	in us	[20:17]
benkay	5 days	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	that's ridiculous	[20:17]
benkay	fuck this country.	[20:17]
benkay	i love it	[20:17]
benkay	but fuck it	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	sepa is next day wtf.	[20:18]
jurov	maybe next day if they send it in the morning	[20:18]
benkay	automate all of these things	[20:18]
benkay	release yourself of the burden of wage slaves	[20:18]
benkay	and the hr overhead to rule them	[20:18]
ThickAsThieves	;;market --sell 1000	[20:18]
gribble	A market order to sell 1000 bitcoins right now would net 179856.6021 USD and would take the last price down to 178.0000 USD, resulting in an average price of 179.8566 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 16.5092 seconds	[20:18]
lippoper	so do you guys think the price will crash before the 10th, that's when they discontinue the Mt.Gox redeemable codes.	[20:19]
lippoper	?	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	;;market --sell 2000	[20:19]
gribble	A market order to sell 2000 bitcoins right now would net 356703.9257 USD and would take the last price down to 175.5200 USD, resulting in an average price of 178.3520 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 28.5843 seconds	[20:19]
jurov	benkay consider that even mpex/coinbr deposits aren't automated	[20:19]
benkay	yeah that was a foolish statement	[20:19]
jurov	and after that recent fork i'm not rushing to do sth	[20:19]
benkay	here's a wack idea	[20:20]
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benkay	wacky*	[20:20]
benkay	new mining pool	[20:20]
benkay	funds go to rewriting hairball	[20:20]
mircea_popescu	lippoper i doubt really.	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	;goxlag	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	another way gox could leverage lag,	[20:21]
lippoper	just considering that there's still a huge queue to withdraw money	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	is tell sell on outside exhanges	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	is to sell on	[20:21]
lippoper	isn't there a chance a lot of people will transfer their BTC's out and find another way to exchange?	[20:21]
lippoper	once the codes are gone	[20:21]
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ThickAsThieves	codes probably dont have major impact	[20:21]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno tho	[20:22]
jurov	that if gox will allow much btc to be withdrawn.	[20:22]
lippoper	it's the only way to withdraw money if you're not verified	[20:22]
jurov	you didn't read the article?	[20:22]
lippoper	money as in USD	[20:22]
jurov	they now fuss with btc withdrawal, too	[20:22]
lippoper	argh	[20:22]
benkay	i tell my friends to not use gox	[20:23]
benkay	eat the higher fees elsewhere	[20:23]
benkay	experience some modicum of safety	[20:23]
benkay	heh	[20:23]
benkay	generally, avoid single points of failure in your personal financial infrastructure	[20:23]
ThickAsThieves	cant really call any bitcoin establishment 'safe'	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.3102 = 3.102 BTC [+]	[20:24]
benkay	ofc not	[20:24]
benkay	one can however reduce risk	[20:24]
ThickAsThieves	i guess betting on sdice is close, since its fast	[20:24]
lippoper	one of these days when btc is worth $400/each i'll bet it all on satoshi dice	[20:25]
lippoper	either come out richer or empty handed.	[20:25]
benkay	just go to a real casino	[20:25]
benkay	at least they have prostitutes	[20:25]
lippoper	no	[20:25]
lippoper	those are rigged	[20:25]
lippoper	lol	[20:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.31 BTC [-]	[20:25]
benkay	so is dice	[20:26]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 9999999999	[20:26]
gribble	There are currently 48196.751 bitcoins offered at or under 9999999999.0 USD, worth 14035802498.9 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 4.5039 seconds	[20:26]
lippoper	I don't think it is, is it?	[20:26]
benkay	there's no difference between someone who says i will take your money and someone who says i will take your money	[20:26]
lippoper	a 98% chance of winning 1.004x return seems like a good bet	[20:26]
benkay	no matter the statistical whatever	[20:26]
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benkay	don't bet	[20:26]
benkay	make educated plays	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	;;calc .98 * 1.004	[20:27]
gribble	0.98392	[20:27]
benkay	the odds are better	[20:27]
lippoper	ok, please give me an example right now of an educated play	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	seems not.	[20:27]
benkay	(the bettors are odder)	[20:27]
benkay	let's see	[20:27]
benkay	a company that aggregates signed receipts for bitcoin purchases and publishes trust ratings for merchants	[20:27]
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benkay	a contract killing outfit	[20:28]
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lippoper	you gave a very risky business idea and an illegal one.	[20:28]
lippoper	lol	[20:28]
benkay	you obviously don't have the chops to make those plays thenm	[20:28]
lippoper	Might as well be a day trader ;-)	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	lag has lagged out	[20:28]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[20:29]
benkay	may as well put it all on red	[20:29]
gribble	MtGox lag is 46.885324 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0939576643418 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU).	[20:29]
lippoper	agreed	[20:29]
lippoper	;;bet red	[20:29]
gribble	Error: "bet" is not a valid command.	[20:29]
lippoper	;;roll	[20:29]
gribble	Error: "roll" is not a valid command.	[20:29]
benkay	why do you gamble?	[20:29]
benkay	here's another easy, legal educated play	[20:29]
ThickAsThieves	more fun than digging ditches	[20:29]
benkay	HOLD BITCOINS	[20:29]
lippoper	;;genprob 2200	[20:30]
gribble	(genprob []) -- Calculate probability to generate a block using Mhps, in seconds, at current difficulty. If optional argument is provided, probability is for supplied difficulty. To provide the argument, a nested 'elapsed' command may be helpful.	[20:30]
benkay	why not just buy sex?	[20:30]
benkay	purchase fun?	[20:30]
ThickAsThieves	is that not what gambling is?	[20:30]
lippoper	;;genprob 2200 1	[20:30]
gribble	The probability to generate a block at 2200.0 Mhps within 1 second, given difficulty of 7672999.92016, is 6.67571229407e-08	[20:30]
benkay	huh.	[20:30]
benkay	okay philosophical question, why is gambling fun?	[20:30]
lippoper	;;genprob 22000000 6000	[20:30]
gribble	The probability to generate a block at 22000000.0 Mhps within 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds, given difficulty of 7672999.92016, is 0.981783500137	[20:30]
benkay	gamblers only please	[20:31]
benkay	;)	[20:31]
lippoper	the thrill of the ride ;-)	[20:31]
ThickAsThieves	i think it appeals for different reasons for some people	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[20:31]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 183.87811, Best ask: 184.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.62189, Last trade: 183.50000, 24 hour volume: 100167.85329295, 24 hour low: 155.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 176.66415	[20:31]
lippoper	the excitement/anxiety/thrill of either making it big or just for the fucking fun of feeling alive	[20:32]
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lippoper	the guy playing poker with millions of dollars is not really having sex with that fine blonde bitch standing over his shoulder.... he's having more fun with his millions. Bitches second, Money first.	[20:33]
lippoper	;;tslb	[20:33]
gribble	Time since last block: 13 minutes and 51 seconds	[20:33]
lippoper	;interval	[20:34]
lippoper	;;interval	[20:34]
gribble	496.55172413793105	[20:34]
lippoper	;;calc 496.55172413793105 / 60	[20:34]
gribble	8.27586206897	[20:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00065489 = 4.1913 BTC [+]	[20:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10590 @ 0.00065873 = 6.976 BTC [+]	[20:34]
lippoper	;;calc (496.55172413793105 / 60) / 60	[20:34]
gribble	0.137931034483	[20:34]
lippoper	is that 8 hours or 8 minutes	[20:35]
lippoper	lol	[20:35]
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lippoper	;;interval 10	[20:35]
gribble	(interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks.	[20:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.3095 = 1.5475 BTC [-]	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3097 = 0.6194 BTC [+]	[20:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3099 = 2.4792 BTC [+]	[20:36]
punkman	benkay, the answer is risk, risk is fun	[20:36]
lippoper	interval - show the average time between blocks, over the past 1000 blocks. If given optional integer argument, use that many blocks for the estimate.	[20:36]
lippoper	gribble: (interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks.	[20:36]
lippoper	lies	[20:36]
lippoper	;-)	[20:36]
lippoper	;;ticker	[20:36]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 181.00000, Best ask: 182.40000, Bid-ask spread: 1.40000, Last trade: 182.40000, 24 hour volume: 100167.85329295, 24 hour low: 155.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 176.66415	[20:36]
lippoper	;;diffchange	[20:37]
gribble	Estimated percent change in difficulty this period \| 16.76214 % based on data since last change \| 13.877 % based on data for last three days	[20:37]
jborkl_	please take you conversations with gribble private, you are spamming the channel	[20:37]
lippoper	oh i can do that?	[20:37]
lippoper	thanks	[20:37]
jborkl_	yes	[20:37]
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lippoper	woo, thanks!	[20:37]
jurov	mircea_popescu: what is this? https://blockchain.info/tx/cbe6bcc1578c03054b9fd7bcd5d374c683270b0e27ec1ce8389d4060b19c02a2	[20:38]
deadweasel	any IPOs on the horizon?	[20:39]
jurov	you have same wallet for mpex and bitbet?	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	that is a buncha bets.	[20:39]
ThickAsThieves	i see another possible behavior correlating with lag	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	large ask wall moving downawrd	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	was at 190	[20:40]
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ThickAsThieves	now at 188	[20:40]
ThickAsThieves	could just be natural	[20:40]
lippoper	bots	[20:41]
lippoper	over the weekend there's some douche selling trading bots on reddit	[20:42]
lippoper	now there's a bunch of noobs making hundreds of transactions per minute	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	heh	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	capitalism!	[20:44]
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lippoper	heh free market	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[20:45]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	now lets see if price falls	[20:45]
lippoper	nah, now it'll go up	[20:45]
lippoper	;;asks 0	[20:45]
gribble	There are currently 0 bitcoins offered at or under 0.0 USD, worth 0.0 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 39.3270 seconds	[20:45]
lippoper	;;asks 999999999999	[20:45]
gribble	There are currently 47372.398 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999999.0 USD, worth 1.42184506191e+12 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 44.4670 seconds	[20:45]
lippoper	wow	[20:45]
benkay	goxlag is 0 but data vintage is 45 seconds?	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	ghost lag	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	lag lag	[20:46]
benkay	ghost lag the whip!	[20:46]
lippoper	Data vintage: 92.6545 seconds	[20:46]
benkay	;;goxlag	[20:47]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0.132764 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0002660575695 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).	[20:47]
lippoper	;;asks 99999999	[20:47]
gribble	There are currently 47348.68 bitcoins offered at or under 99999999.0 USD, worth 422305405.304 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 5.2297 seconds	[20:47]
deadweasel	so if no coinbase, no gox, how to get btc back to fiat?	[20:47]
benkay	son i am confus.	[20:47]
benkay	buy eve credits	[20:47]
lippoper	bitinstant	[20:47]
benkay	sell for dollars	[20:47]
lippoper	craigslist	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	179	[20:47]
lippoper	ebay lolz	[20:47]
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benkay	actually	[20:49]
benkay	you can buy bitcoins on ebay	[20:49]
benkay	HOHOHO	[20:49]
benkay	someone is selling 1 litecoin for ten bucks	[20:49]
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ThickAsThieves	that was the first place i tried last year	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoins never came	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	so i got my money back	[20:50]
benkay	ebay may be the best place for bitcoins in the future	[20:50]
benkay	they also own paypal	[20:50]
benkay	i've been harping on the guy who runs their android operation to bring me on to build a consumer wallet thing	[20:50]
benkay	has not yet bitten	[20:51]
benkay	although i made him filthy rich on bitcoins	[20:51]
lippoper	buy a bitcoin from someone with paypal for $250.00	[20:51]
lippoper	then reverse the charge once it's in your wallet	[20:51]
benkay	a good buy at any price under 5k lippoper	[20:51]
benkay	ebay won't do that	[20:52]
lippoper	"Yes paypal customer service, I never received the bitcoin"	[20:52]
benkay	they actually do due dilligence	[20:52]
lippoper	not from what I read	[20:52]
benkay	nah	[20:52]
lippoper	even btc-e.com stopped accepting PayPal due to this reason.	[20:52]
benkay	you'll have to have an agreed upon address	[20:52]
benkay	duh	[20:52]
lippoper	duh	[20:52]
benkay	paypal's not doing your due dilligence	[20:52]
benkay	they do it when they have skin in the game	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	$avg	[20:53]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: 175.99	[20:53]
lippoper	they reverse charges like credit card company, sometimes even more easily.	[20:53]
benkay	the default opionion in credit card land is that customers are right	[20:53]
benkay	and vendors are evil	[20:53]
benkay	the expectation creates the reality	[20:53]
benkay	it's not entirely a bad thing, given the shit state of their technology	[20:55]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7889 BTC [-]	[20:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.76211 = 1.5242 BTC [-]	[20:58]
benkay	anyways. i would bet on paypal being a major player in the exchange business.	[20:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7621 = 1.5242 BTC [-]	[20:58]
benkay	they're hungry for new business.	[20:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7621 = 3.0484 BTC [-]	[20:58]
benkay	and they could be percieved as a professional outfit that understands security.	[20:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]	[20:59]
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benkay	dammit i shut b-a down again.	[20:59]
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lippoper	we're going back up ;;ticker	[21:04]
lippoper	;;ticker	[21:04]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 182.23401, Best ask: 182.67570, Bid-ask spread: 0.44169, Last trade: 182.67570, 24 hour volume: 100199.76586949, 24 hour low: 157.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 177.36797	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	still a fake price	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[21:04]
gribble	MtGox lag is 34.868194 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0698754703722 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one week (0.0689 AU).	[21:04]
benkay	"fake"?	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	sorry	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	fleeting	[21:05]
benkay	aren't all?	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	...	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	i guess my point was not clear whatsoever	[21:05]
benkay	do you have a steady-state value you expect?	[21:05]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think gox is letting us see the natural price yet	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	due to lag	[21:06]
benkay	oh i think i get it	[21:06]
benkay	thanks	[21:06]
benkay	obviously i want to fight today	[21:06]
benkay	eyeroll	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	it freezing on a price for 60s is sorta meaningless	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	even when it's not lagged, it's lagged today	[21:07]
benkay	further hints of impending doom for gox	[21:09]
benkay	can has short them?	[21:09]
Bugpowder	short the company who's revenue is skyrocketing exponentially. have fun with that.	[21:09]
benkay	hm.	[21:09]
benkay	how do make play agains company that's horribly run and yet profitable?	[21:10]
Bugpowder	don't	[21:11]
jcpham	imsaguy everytime i get opped i do something wrong like +m the channel or try to fix the topic when it is topic locked	[21:11]
Bugpowder	look for other opportunities.	[21:11]
jcpham	plus it's ADHD chat. you can't fix it	[21:11]
imsaguy	aye	[21:11]
imsaguy	it really needs to start over	[21:11]
imsaguy	its lost focus	[21:11]
jcpham	reboot!	[21:11]
imsaguy	there's something to be said about -foyer	[21:11]
jcpham	needs ninja ops booting stupid people	[21:12]
imsaguy	it kept much of the OT in there	[21:12]
imsaguy	yep	[21:12]
imsaguy	but nanotube says no	[21:12]
jcpham	ikr	[21:12]
imsaguy	so it is what it is	[21:12]
jcpham	woohoo!	[21:12]
imsaguy	is it?	[21:12]
jcpham	not really i don't like it there	[21:12]
jcpham	maybe 20-50 nicks i can trust	[21:13]
imsaguy	:-/	[21:13]
imsaguy	sucky feeling	[21:13]
imsaguy	maybe you need to adjust your wot?	[21:13]
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jcpham	which one	[21:15]
jcpham	i've had to create like 30 accounts to defend myself	[21:15]
Bugpowder	back to 12MM in bids	[21:15]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[21:16]
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ThickAsThieves	;;asks 9999999999	[21:16]
benkay	what are you catching flak for jcpham?	[21:16]
jcpham	nothing actually	[21:16]
jcpham	imsaguy and i were having a chat	[21:16]
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benkay	;;goxlag	[21:24]
gribble	MtGox lag is 99.982987 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.200364786483 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU).	[21:24]
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guruvan	venutians accepting bitcion now?	[21:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 19 @ 0.1 = 1.9 BTC [-]	[21:27]
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benkay	forbes letter from the editor says we need to take the dollar seriously	[21:28]
benkay	i call bitcoin top when forbes letter from the editor says dollar is dead	[21:28]
benkay	:D	[21:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 1000 @ 0.00085021 = 0.8502 BTC [+]	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00085021 = 0.4251 BTC [+]	[21:30]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 992 @ 0.00079521 = 0.7888 BTC [-]	[21:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 8 @ 0.31 = 2.48 BTC [-]	[21:33]
benkay	god i love russia	[21:35]
benkay	if you're rich enough	[21:35]
benkay	you can has kremlin	[21:35]
benkay	but also	[21:35]
benkay	might get popped	[21:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.29 BTC [-]	[21:36]
Scrat	popped like a grape	[21:36]
benkay	it would be nice to be king of cascadia	[21:37]
benkay	very little ambition in these parts	[21:37]
benkay	a few executions to set the tone	[21:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5100 @ 0.00065422 = 3.3365 BTC [-]	[21:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 475 @ 0.00065873 = 0.3129 BTC [+]	[21:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.0006607 = 0.8589 BTC [+]	[21:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5525 @ 0.00066071 = 3.6504 BTC [+]	[21:42]
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MJR_	back to 188 already	[21:43]
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btcccc	while you waiting for BTC to jump hugely again you can play a new game that you can win up to 17X your bet by trying to walk through a minefield. also freeplay option so you dont have to bet! http://www.satoshi-karoshi.com/?r=10670	[21:53]
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benkay	GAMBLE TO NEXT LEVEL	[21:55]
benkay	don't go...	[21:56]
benkay	we were just starting to have fun...	[21:56]
iz	play a game where you walk through a minefield? how is that fun?	[21:56]
benkay	it's gambling	[21:57]
benkay	don't try and reason	[21:57]
benkay	just take the fools monies.	[21:57]
benkay	fools'	[21:57]
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iz	hard to take their money if they don't want to play	[21:58]
benkay	shrug	[21:58]
benkay	a small fraction of the world is a lot of people	[21:58]
deadweasel	.2% of people reply to nigerian scammers	[21:59]
iz	yes, and a large fraction of the world is even more people	[21:59]
deadweasel	it's enough	[21:59]
benkay	oh man i do	[21:59]
benkay	they never write back, though.	[21:59]
iz	send them bitcoins and then sell them technical support in USD	[22:00]
benkay	wat	[22:00]
benkay	acquire cryptocurrencies	[22:00]
benkay	disregard fiat	[22:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 2 @ 0.021 = 0.042 BTC [-]	[22:01]
ThickAsThieves	do you like bitcoin? do you like super mario kart? then you'll LOVE SatoshiYoshi.com!	[22:02]
MJR_	I like both those things!!!	[22:03]
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benkay	let me give you my money!	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	good idea!	[22:03]
MJR_	there was nothing there?	[22:03]
MJR_	T_T	[22:03]
ThickAsThieves	there should be an .exe file you need to run	[22:04]
benkay	yuss	[22:04]
benkay	dudes i saw a thing about using javascript to reprogram routers yesterday	[22:05]
benkay	from user browsers	[22:05]
MJR_	benkay: sounds cool	[22:05]
MJR_	you can do the same with UPnP	[22:05]
benkay	i love breaking things.	[22:05]
MJR_	who doesn't	[22:05]
ThickAsThieves	i like making things	[22:06]
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MJR_	both can be fun	[22:06]
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MJR_	;;ticker	[22:07]
MJR_	;;bc,24hprc	[22:08]
gribble	177.01	[22:08]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 186.06253, Best ask: 186.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.93746, Last trade: 186.99999, 24 hour volume: 102774.98338597, 24 hour low: 157.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 178.38721	[22:08]
deadweasel	fucking linksys routers. totally unprotected.	[22:08]
deadweasel	add a '/' to any admin url to see source code, lol!	[22:09]
deadweasel	print password file with simple request	[22:09]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.794 BTC [+]	[22:13]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 4 @ 1.209 = 4.836 BTC [+]	[22:21]
lippoper	;;goxlag	[22:22]
gribble	MtGox lag is 3.534177 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00708245113738 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU).	[22:22]
lippoper	;;ticker	[22:22]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 185.30001, Best ask: 185.95999, Bid-ask spread: 0.65998, Last trade: 185.30001, 24 hour volume: 102926.03575566, 24 hour low: 157.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 178.47044	[22:22]
lippoper	$avg	[22:23]
mpexbot	lippoper: 177.37	[22:23]
lippoper	is that the real price?	[22:23]
lippoper	around 177-179 ?	[22:23]
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thestringpuller	;;asks 195	[22:25]
gribble	There are currently 7494.7663 bitcoins offered at or under 195.0 USD, worth 1443781.28381 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds	[22:25]
thestringpuller	;;bids 170	[22:25]
gribble	There are currently 9839.9499 bitcoins demanded at or over 170.0 USD, worth 1748284.48795 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 3.0379 seconds	[22:25]
dub	;ticker --high	[22:26]
dub	;;nethash	[22:27]
gribble	62837.3281404	[22:27]
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topace\|2	!ticker h him	[22:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.89000000 / 1.92735294 / 1.93000000 (17 shares, 32.76500000 BTC), 7D: 1.82000000 / 1.90417629 / 2.05990000 (97 shares, 184.70510000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.85736363 / 2.08000000 (693 shares, 1287.15299230 BTC)	[22:29]
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lippoper	;;ticker	[22:34]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 188.89002, Best ask: 189.80261, Bid-ask spread: 0.91259, Last trade: 189.80261, 24 hour volume: 104076.87236816, 24 hour low: 157.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 178.63555	[22:34]
benkay	thickasthieves making things is important and cool	[22:34]
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bVector	so how long would it take to make your money back on dividends on sdice stocks?	[22:35]
ThickAsThieves	a lifetime these days	[22:35]
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mod6	;;bc,blocks	[22:41]
gribble	230331	[22:41]
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ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[22:46]
gribble	62888.8850858	[22:46]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[22:46]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| 8839306.76485 based on data since last change \| 8785341.70019 based on data for last three days	[22:46]
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jurov	dat discussion... http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/1bxakb/the_mens_guide_to_showering/	[22:46]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.24001 BTC [+]	[22:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.13789 BTC [+]	[22:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.1379 = 0.2758 BTC [+]	[22:55]
mod6	;;tslb	[22:58]
gribble	Time since last block: 47 minutes and 53 seconds	[22:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00065356 = 4.0848 BTC [-]	[22:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00066071 = 6.1116 BTC [+]	[23:02]
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mod6	;;tslb	[23:08]
gribble	Time since last block: 3 minutes and 2 seconds	[23:08]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.789 = 1.578 BTC [-]	[23:13]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 28 @ 0.795 = 22.26 BTC [+]	[23:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 998 @ 0.01 = 9.98 BTC [+]	[23:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.01 = 0.05 BTC [+]	[23:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+]	[23:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1481 @ 0.00066071 = 0.9785 BTC [+]	[23:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6007 @ 0.00066211 = 3.9773 BTC [+]	[23:16]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 8 @ 0.1024 = 0.8192 BTC [+]	[23:40]
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jborkl_	;;goxlag	[23:58]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0.361659 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000724760586664 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU).	[23:58]
jborkl_	;;ticker	[23:58]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 188.25001, Best ask: 188.41000, Bid-ask spread: 0.15999, Last trade: 188.25001, 24 hour volume: 106530.94142469, 24 hour low: 160.00000, 24 hour high: 194.90000, 24 hour vwap: 179.70143	[23:58]
thestringpuller	quiet for how volatole of a day it was	[23:58]
jurov	everyone is tired from it :D	[23:59]
jborkl_	mtgox socket has been down for 85 minutes	[23:59]
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