Forum logs for 07 Sep 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 14 @ 0.0024 = 0.0336 BTC [+]	[00:00]
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fractal	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289316	[00:05]
ozbot	BitBet incorrectly declares yes to a no bet. Stay Away from BitBet!	[00:05]
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kakobrekla	its interesting	[00:07]
kakobrekla	how little attention that got	[00:07]
kakobrekla	must be some reason?!	[00:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1375 = 0.275 BTC [+]	[00:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 20 @ 0.0203 = 0.406 BTC [+]	[00:09]
dexX7	they did meet the power specifications, i.e. < 1 w / gh/s?	[00:09]
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benkay_	yup	[00:11]
benkay_	more chips than were expected though i think was complaint	[00:11]
dexX7	well, so the only problem is based on the definition of the term "unit"	[00:12]
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kakobrekla	the bet allows for broad definiton of unit - like a bag of gpus would do.	[00:13]
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jurov	oh my, don't discuss it for 3rd time	[00:13]
benkay_	right? solder it up yaself, and if it hits 1/1, call it a day	[00:13]
dexX7	yup	[00:13]
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benkay_	butthurt. butthurt everywhere.	[00:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.289 BTC [+]	[00:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.29 BTC [+]	[00:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8129 @ 0.00088185 = 7.1686 BTC [+]	[00:17]
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fractal	just to be clear -- there was a SPECIFIC definition of what a unit was on the bitfury website	[00:19]
fractal	1 m-board, 16 h-cards,, 1 raspberry pi is a 400Gh kit or unit	[00:19]
fractal	anything else is NOT a unit AS Advertised	[00:19]
fractal	the bet was a no	[00:19]
fractal	I will spent the next 5 years posting and re posting this until Bitbet refunds all 'no' bets from their own pocket	[00:20]
gesell	anyone got ideas on why gox is finally correcting and removing the huge gap in price between it and other exchanges? major arbitrage players finally got their $20m fiat moving in other places to bring btc into gox to sell?	[00:20]
fractal	and if they refund, I'll be happy to write a positive article about them making up for their mistakes	[00:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.003995 = 0.024 BTC [+]	[00:20]
kakobrekla	lol	[00:20]
kakobrekla	thanks for all the future mentions.	[00:21]
fractal	The forums will never hear the end of it	[00:21]
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fractal	it will be like a thorn in the side of all	[00:21]
*	kakobrekla is scared and hides.	[00:21]
fractal	until justice has prevailed	[00:21]
fractal	and, i've already started coding a bitbet clone with 0% fees, and a transparent bet deciding process	[00:22]
kakobrekla	fun :)	[00:22]
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kakobrekla	its what btc is all about dontyaknow fun fun fun and hobbies.	[00:23]
dexX7	fractal: how do you monetize this?	[00:24]
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fractal	monetize what?	[00:25]
jurov	1. You order an "unit"	[00:25]
dexX7	a bettting website without fees	[00:25]
jurov	2. You will get more HW but it sitill matches he specs	[00:25]
jurov	3. You sue you didn't got the "unit"	[00:25]
fractal	dexX7: I short BBet stock.	[00:25]
jurov	4. You presumalby lose	[00:25]
dexX7	lol	[00:25]
dexX7	neat answer	[00:26]
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fractal	[00:26] jurov: thats not what the bet says -- it says as advertised [00:26] jurov: AS ADVERTISED>. everybody seems to miss the AS ADVERTISED part [00:26] 1 M-board, 16H-card, 1 R-pi. thats 1 unit. if that hardware doesn't do 400Gh, the bet is a no	[00:31]
fractal	by all logical definitions the bet is a no because it contains the word 'advertised' when reffering to the unit	[00:32]
fractal	if it didn't say 'as advertised' thats a different story	[00:32]
fractal	key word here is 'advertised'	[00:32]
MCM-Mike	can someone explain me why "CBTC" on Havelock is offering different price/unit - on "overview" they want 3MIO * 0.00018 and on the public offering site each share is valued with 0.0002. Is this some kind of rounding happening?	[00:33]
MCM-Mike	because 3MIO*0.0002 = 600BTC instead of 540BTC	[00:33]
jurov	performance was what was advertised, not how many boards/cards	[00:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.152 BTC [-]	[00:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00088528 = 4.3821 BTC [+]	[00:38]
pankkake	MCM-Mike: rounding error (only display)	[00:39]
benkay_	oh fractal	[00:39]
benkay_	nobody cares	[00:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.16 = 21.6 BTC [+]	[00:39]
benkay_	don't be a sore loser. it's really not attractive.	[00:39]
MCM-Mike	this is what I thought	[00:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02087 = 0.1044 BTC [+]	[00:40]
benkay_	and don't waste time fighting an elephant.	[00:40]
benkay_	just go do something useful.	[00:40]
benkay_	fractal: maybe a useful thing would be to collect statistics on bitbet disputes	[00:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003449 BTC [-]	[00:42]
benkay_	then you'd quantify something that the rest of us intuit, which is that it's a negligible percentage.	[00:42]
fractal	jurov, and it didnt meet performance specs	[00:42]
fractal	benkay_: its not a matter of being a sore loser -- if i lost id be happy to congratulate the winner and move on. --- its a matter of being robbed / scammed/ defrauded	[00:43]
Luke-Jr	fractal: betsofbitco.in exists fyi	[00:43]
benkay_	fractal: what's the sum total you lost? some thousands of dollars? you're choosing to get angry instead of getting smart.	[00:44]
fractal	benkay_: my job is to warn others to avoid the site so they dont get robbed/scammed/defrauded... and i will continue to do this daily , for years to come. bitbet is welcome to do the right thing and pay out no bets and the noise will go away	[00:44]
benkay_	fractal: that's basically blackmail, and is image-wise indistinguishable from the hit you'll take from being a sore loser	[00:44]
kakobrekla	Luke-Jr betsofbitcoin is dead	[00:44]
kakobrekla	like your soul.	[00:44]
benkay_	eventually you'll tire of it, and then just be another human who whined about being scammed on a loosey-goosey bet definition.	[00:45]
fractal	what's blackmail? is it blackmail to tell pirateat40 he should repay loans?	[00:45]
Luke-Jr	looks plenty alive to me	[00:45]
kakobrekla	change your eyeballs or even better, the whole head.	[00:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003401 = 0.017 BTC [-]	[00:45]
Luke-Jr	fractal: you don't sound liek you know MP well.	[00:46]
benkay_	fractal: what's funny to me is that you're the only person arguing the "as advertised" clause supersedes the bet definition.	[00:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 2.15 = 10.75 BTC [-]	[00:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.103 BTC [-]	[00:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.101 BTC [-]	[00:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.1 = 21 BTC [-]	[00:46]
benkay_	it's pretty common for a clause in english to be followed by a definition	[00:46]
benkay_	and the definition is typically what sticks	[00:46]
fractal	No. My goal is to spread word on the forums about the bitbet fraud, and then launch an exact clone of bitbet.us with 0% fees. I will then short BBet on MPEX and profit as it dwindles to zero.	[00:46]
pankkake	fractal just made it in my ignore list, congratulations	[00:46]
benkay_	and will be what sticks in this case as well.	[00:46]
pankkake	I thought after the bet he would finally shut up/grow up	[00:47]
fractal	benkay_: of course it does. all clauses in the bet must be valid for it to be YES	[00:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02087 BTC [+]	[00:47]
fractal	benkay_: the bet definition is irrelevant unless all conditions/clauses are met	[00:47]
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fractal	pankkake: i am here specifically for you. infact i will change nicks tomorrow and complain about the bet every day i see you in here for years to come. congratulations.	[00:48]
fractal	pankkake: your ignore list will be very nice with lots of nicks on it	[00:48]
Luke-Jr	fractal: I have to agree with the bet conclusion in this case, sorry.	[00:49]
kakobrekla	no no	[00:50]
kakobrekla	betsofbitcoin!!	[00:50]
fractal	Luke-Jr: thats ok... but the hardware didn't perform as advertised, so the bet would be a NO.	[00:50]
dexX7	fractal, i think you do have a point. though resulting the bet in "no" would have been far worse imho. thus instead of arguing and calling it fraud, i suggest you should put your effort into creating guidelines or similar to prevent fuzzy situations like this in the future.	[00:50]
fractal	a 400Gh unit is 1M-board, 16 H-cards, and 1 Ri-Pi	[00:50]
Luke-Jr	fractal: it didn't? from what I'm reading, it outperformed advertised specs	[00:50]
fractal	Luke-Jr: http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/	[00:51]
Luke-Jr	fractal: ok, so? customers who ordered it got BETTER than that..	[00:51]
fractal	Luke-Jr: you're absolutely right.	[00:51]
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Luke-Jr	"meet" usually includes "better than"	[00:51]
fractal	Luke-Jr: however, the bet language states that the 400Gh UNIT must perform as advertised, and it only does 365Gh.	[00:52]
dexX7	following this approach a "unit" consising of a hasher with 400 w power consumption, but 408.3 gh/s would result in "no", too?	[00:52]
Luke-Jr	fractal: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unit	[00:52]
kakobrekla	lol two idiots arguing.	[00:52]
fractal	Luke-Jr: It's like saying that the KnC Jupiter miner must be 400GH/sec.... and then its 350Gh.... but the company ships 2 of them.... doesn't make up for the fact that the actual unit was not 400gh	[00:52]
benkay_	fractal: i'm going to bet 1 btc you can't ship a betting site that beats bitbet's committed coins for a rolling three month period	[00:52]
benkay_	within the year	[00:53]
benkay_	will you take this bet?	[00:53]
fractal	Luke-Jr: Unit as advertised is specifically 1M-board, 16H-cards, 1R-pi. this UNIT does not do 400Gh	[00:53]
fractal	benkay_: absolutely i'll take that bet. I'll have to word it better tho	[00:53]
Luke-Jr	fractal: they delivered MORE than that as the unit. that's just getting better specs.	[00:53]
fractal	Luke-Jr: What they delivered doesn't change the fact that the UNIT as advertised (1M-board, 16H-cards, 1R-Pi) doesn't do 400Gh.... thats what the bet is about...	[00:54]
benkay_	fractal: second condition: this bet will clear on bitbet	[00:54]
Luke-Jr	the unit was advertised to have 16 H-cards, but the unit as delivered had a bonus H-card. it's still a unit.	[00:54]
Luke-Jr	benkay_: lol	[00:54]
benkay_	fractal: because i don't trust you.	[00:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00088565 = 7.9709 BTC [+]	[00:55]
benkay_	fractal: but, am more than happy to let you write the terms.	[00:55]
fractal	Luke-Jr: If the bet said that an Avalon Batch 2 Unit must do 60Gh, and you got 2 that did 50Gh each, does that make the bet a YES? The actual unit as advertised didn't do 60Gh	[00:55]
fractal	Luke-Jr: The unit delivered didn't have an extra H-card... it was a seperate unit completely	[00:56]
jurov	if it fit into power then YES is better answer than NO or DRAW	[00:56]
Luke-Jr	fractal: except for the defined terms (meets performance), the bet left "unit" up to the company to define	[00:56]
Luke-Jr	also, you just used "unit" (first instance) to refer to the entire thing	[00:56]
jurov	fractal: YES is better answer than NO or UNDECIDED - you agree or not?	[00:57]
Luke-Jr	admitting its use is valid for that	[00:57]
fractal	Luke-Jr: The company defined what a unit was here http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/	[00:57]
Luke-Jr	fractal: and they delivered a different (but better) unit than that. but the unit they delivered met the bet definition	[00:57]
fractal	Luke-Jr: to deliver 400Gh, they need to add another M-board and R-pi, which are not interconnected like an additional H-card would be. it is therefore 2 units	[00:57]
fractal	Luke-Jr: They delivered 2 units. not 1 unit	[00:58]
Luke-Jr	fractal: at best you can argue it should have been a draw, but it's clearly within the judge's authority to declare it Yes here	[00:58]
Luke-Jr	"No" would have been obviously wrong	[00:59]
dexX7	fractal: would a miner with 408.78 gh/s be conform with the advertisement of "400 gh/s"?	[00:59]
fractal	dexX7: yes, if it was contained in a single interconnected device -- i.e. 1 unit	[01:00]
fractal	Luke-Jr: Why? All clauses of a bet must be true for the bet to be valid. They weren't.	[01:00]
Luke-Jr	fractal: number of boards was not a clause of the bet	[01:00]
Luke-Jr	fractal: why did you bet at all if you weren't prepared to possibly lose?	[01:01]
benkay_	Luke-Jr: he doesn't think he wasn't prepared to lose	[01:01]
benkay_	Luke-Jr: this is the delusion.	[01:01]
dexX7	fractal: i don't ask about the definition of a unit, but want to point out that 408.78 gh/s is not 400 gh/s, which wouldn't be conform with their advertisement which stated "400 gh/s", right?	[01:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02085 BTC [-]	[01:02]
fractal	dexX7: no, that would meet performance specs.	[01:04]
fractal	dexX7: Over 400Gh, and under 400W would be OK	[01:04]
fractal	Under 400Gh, and Over 400W is NOT ok.	[01:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 27 @ 0.01910001 = 0.5157 BTC [-]	[01:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.019 = 0.95 BTC [-]	[01:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 65 @ 0.019 = 1.235 BTC [-]	[01:04]
fractal	Luke-Jr: I wasn't prepared to lose. I bet after the manufacturer admitted that the 400Gh unit would not perform as advertised.	[01:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 75 @ 0.003984 = 0.2988 BTC [-]	[01:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 75 @ 0.003985 = 0.2989 BTC [+]	[01:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003989 = 0.0399 BTC [+]	[01:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003989 = 0.0399 BTC [+]	[01:05]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.00399 = 0.0399 BTC [+]	[01:06]
Luke-Jr	fractal: link?	[01:06]
fractal	Luke-Jr: hang on	[01:06]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CB.IDIFF-O] 1 @ 0.00941 BTC [+]	[01:08]
fractal	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg3014225#msg3014225	[01:08]
ozbot	[ANN] Bitfury ASIC sales in EU and Europe	[01:08]
fractal	Notice how the manufacturer specifically states that they can't do 400Gh in 1 UNIT	[01:08]
fractal	punin == bitfury	[01:09]
fractal	words right out of his mouth	[01:09]
Luke-Jr	fractal: this does not say what you claim	[01:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003467 = 0.0173 BTC [+]	[01:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 97 @ 0.003468 = 0.3364 BTC [+]	[01:09]
fractal	it sure does	[01:09]
fractal	it proves that they can't do 400Gh in 1 unit	[01:09]
Luke-Jr	it says the boards are falling short, and refers to the new 400 Gh total as a single unit	[01:10]
fractal	nope... read closely	[01:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003467 = 0.0173 BTC [-]	[01:10]
kakobrekla	punin is not the same person as bitfury fyi	[01:10]
fractal	"I will ship your ordered hashrate regardless (ie. more hardware free of charge) until we fix this issue and can provide 400GH in one unit." Or, "We can't provide 400Gh in 1 unit, so we are doing X instead"	[01:10]
Luke-Jr	ok, you're right it doesn't explicitly define unit as the 2 boards, but neither does it deny it	[01:11]
fractal	Since they can't provide 400Gh in 1 unit, as advertised, the bet is a no.	[01:11]
fractal	the bet says UNIT, not UNITS	[01:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003494 = 0.3494 BTC [+]	[01:11]
Luke-Jr	the unit in this case is 2 boards	[01:11]
Luke-Jr	it's not as advertised, but it does meet the advertised performance.	[01:11]
fractal	2 M-boards is not 1 unit	[01:11]
Luke-Jr	which is all the bet required	[01:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 7 @ 0.009899 = 0.0693 BTC [-]	[01:12]
kakobrekla	again the unit by definition in the bet can be a bag of cpus, a box of bananas or a handfull of shit if it does 400gh under the wattage	[01:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: The bet also required that the Gh be in a single UNIT	[01:12]
fractal	it failed to meet that spec	[01:12]
Luke-Jr	fractal: also, if you made a bet thinking the conclusion was already final, I have no sympathy for your attempted ripoff	[01:12]
kakobrekla	lolz	[01:12]
kakobrekla	!	[01:12]
Luke-Jr	fractal: the definition of "unit" allows for 2 boards	[01:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: what boards are you talking about? M-boards or H-boards?	[01:13]
fractal	H-boards -- yes. M-boards no. if you don't know the difference, i'll be happy to explain	[01:13]
Luke-Jr	fractal: any, the bet didn't restrict that aspect at all	[01:13]
fractal	well, 1M-boards would be 2 units	[01:13]
Luke-Jr	they could have shipped BFL Monarchs, and it'd have met the bet requirements	[01:13]
Luke-Jr	(in theory, I know it wouldn't be practical)	[01:13]
fractal	wrong, becuase it wouldn't have been in a single unit	[01:13]
kakobrekla	it rarely happens, but luke is right.	[01:13]
fractal	sorry thats incorrect. the bet speaks to the units as advertised	[01:14]
Luke-Jr	fractal: only per advertised performance	[01:14]
Luke-Jr	not advertised design	[01:14]
fractal	Luke-Jr: sure it does	[01:14]
fractal	'400Gh UNIT'	[01:14]
fractal	which is this http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 5 @ 0.0135 = 0.0675 BTC [+]	[01:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 400 @ 0.009899 = 3.9596 BTC [-]	[01:15]
fractal	Luke-Jr: additionally, theres absolutely nothing wrong with betting on public information, calling it an attempted ripoff is pure hyperbole, i expect more from you	[01:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 800 @ 0.00104 = 0.832 BTC [+]	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 140 @ 0.001036 = 0.145 BTC [-]	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1000 @ 0.001035 = 1.035 BTC [-]	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 40 @ 0.001033 = 0.0413 BTC [-]	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.001031 = 0.0103 BTC [-]	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.00103 = 0.0103 BTC [-]	[01:16]
Luke-Jr	fractal: For a bet to be morally justifiable, the conclusion must be uncertain for both parties.	[01:20]
Luke-Jr	http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02539a.htm	[01:20]
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benkay_	"morals"	[01:21]
benkay_	gtfo	[01:21]
benkay_	THIS IS BITCOIIIIIN	[01:21]
kakobrekla	new advent lmao	[01:21]
fractal	Luke-Jr: thanks for that post -- you should refer to "If, however, one has absolutely certain evidence of the truth of his contention, and says so to the other party, he is not precluded from betting if the latter remains obstinate."	[01:22]
fractal	Luke-Jr: I said the truth to the other party and the debate was going on for days before the bet was concluded.... I'm glad that clause was in there, i felt morally wrong for a second there... phew..	[01:22]
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fractal	No I'm glad Luke-Jr posted that... as you can see on the bitbet comments there were many posts outlining the 'truth' before the bet was closed --- I hope Luke-Jr retracts his statement that I was trying to rip someone off	[01:24]
Luke-Jr	fractal: the other parties in this case were not given the option to repeal their bet	[01:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02085 = 0.0417 BTC [-]	[01:24]
fractal	Luke-Jr: sure they were. They can bet on the opposite side in the appropriate amount so that the outcome neutralizes their position	[01:24]
Luke-Jr	not the same thing	[01:24]
fractal	sure is, they don't lose anything	[01:25]
fractal	according to the FAQ thats how you can cancel your bet	[01:25]
fractal	Luke-Jr: and regardless, they didn't want to repeal their bets... they were in here telling me i'm wrong	[01:25]
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fractal	so, that point doesn't really hold water either.	[01:26]
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Luke-Jr	fractal: some of them were in here presumably telling you that you misunderstood the bet terms	[01:28]
Luke-Jr	see the third condition of moral betting: "Both must understand the matter of the bet in the same sense, and"	[01:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003492 = 0.3492 BTC [-]	[01:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.00216 = 0.0216 BTC [+]	[01:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 90 @ 0.00215 = 0.1935 BTC [-]	[01:30]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.169 BTC [+]	[01:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 2.17 = 21.7 BTC [+]	[01:31]
fractal	Luke-Jr: actually, i checked up with MP to make sure what the bet terms were before betting, to make sure that the 400Gh had to be in 1 unit.	[01:31]
fractal	so, that argument is also moot	[01:31]
Luke-Jr	fractal: if that is indeed accurate, you may have a case	[01:32]
Luke-Jr	doesn't change the fact you tried to ripoff everyone else of course, so I don't really care	[01:32]
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fractal	You obviously care since you've engaged yourself so throughly in this. Nothing had been shipped when I bet.	[01:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.00215 = 0.0215 BTC [-]	[01:33]
Luke-Jr	"The parties must have the free disposal of what they stake, and" <-- this was also not true, if you were not prepared to lose	[01:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003978 = 0.0398 BTC [-]	[01:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 49 @ 0.003979 = 0.195 BTC [+]	[01:35]
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benkay_	fractal: do you have logs of that conversation to share?	[01:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+]	[01:40]
fractal	Luke-Jr: ok, I will retract my statement of not being prepared to lose as my definition of being prepared to lose seems to differ to yours.	[01:43]
fractal	hopefully that settles that --- but back to the UNIT and hardware issue -- I urge you to study what a single 'UNIT' is	[01:43]
Luke-Jr	I already linked the dictionary.	[01:43]
fractal	There are only a limited number of 'Boards' that can fit in a UNIT	[01:43]
benkay_	fractal: logs or gtfo	[01:43]
fractal	a UNIT -- as defined by bitfury - is whatever fits on 1 M-board]	[01:44]
fractal	this is right out of punin's mouth	[01:44]
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fractal	benkay_: I'm sure they're somewhere...	[01:44]
benkay_	fractal: any day now.	[01:44]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.19 BTC [+]	[01:45]
fractal	benkay_: any day..	[01:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.0024 BTC [+]	[01:50]
benkay_	your credibility doth erode	[01:50]
benkay_	much like your capital	[01:50]
fractal	lol...	[01:52]
fractal	if you can show me where the logs are i'll be happy to ctrl+f	[01:52]
fractal	thnx	[01:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 1 @ 0.09901 BTC [-]	[01:53]
benkay_	log	[01:53]
benkay_	dot	[01:53]
benkay_	bitcoin	[01:53]
benkay_	dash	[01:53]
benkay_	assets	[01:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.19 BTC [+]	[01:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.191 BTC [+]	[01:53]
benkay_	dot	[01:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.197 BTC [+]	[01:53]
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benkay_	com	[01:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 2.2 = 28.6 BTC [+]	[01:53]
benkay_	it's in the motd	[01:53]
fractal	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2013&display=show#262627	[01:54]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[01:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.009901 = 0.0297 BTC [-]	[01:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 5 @ 0.0099 = 0.0495 BTC [-]	[01:55]
benkay_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-08-2013&display=show#262636	[01:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.009416 BTC [-]	[01:55]
benkay_	right there	[01:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 387 @ 0.009001 = 3.4834 BTC [-]	[01:55]
benkay_	you have the aribeiter telling you how the thing's going to work	[01:55]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[01:55]
benkay_	it does seem pretty clear cut.	[01:55]
fractal	exactly -- he says 400Gh UNIT	[01:56]
fractal	UNIT, as in singular	[01:56]
fractal	2 UNIT != 1 UNIT	[01:56]
fractal	2 UNITS != 1 UNIT rather	[01:56]
fractal	500 UNITS != 1 UNIT	[01:56]
fractal	1,000,000 != 1 UNIT	[01:56]
benkay_	oh child	[01:56]
benkay_	go home	[01:56]
benkay_	i weary of your antics	[01:56]
fractal	negz	[01:56]
fractal	feel free to put me on ignore. However, the bet was a no.	[01:57]
fractal	365Gh != 400Gh	[01:57]
fractal	I must make sure everyone knows that BitBet is infact a scam/fraud/ripoff site	[01:57]
benkay_	your dedication to this fruitless endeavour is indicative of why you'll never amount to anything	[01:58]
pankkake	"some users get pissed off with the eventual results on occasion, but what can you do." ♥	[01:58]
fractal	this will continue for years to come. especially for pankkake... he loves to hear about this fraud	[01:58]
fractal	benkay_: actually, thats not the case at all	[01:58]
fractal	benkay_: sorry.	[01:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [FIMB] 1 @ 0.0109 BTC [+]	[01:59]
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fractal	benkay_: however, I can tell you that your dedication to this fruitless discussion , of which you don't even have a stake in, is certainly indicative of where your priorities lie,,, you likely won't amount to anything	[02:00]
fractal	err... certainly won't amount to anything	[02:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00069999 = 3.5 BTC [-]	[02:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003971 = 0.0397 BTC [-]	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 91 @ 0.0024 = 0.2184 BTC [+]	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.126 = 1.26 BTC [-]	[02:02]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 5000 @ 0.00074999 = 3.75 BTC [+]	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 100 @ 0.003974 = 0.3974 BTC [+]	[02:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 377 @ 0.003974 = 1.4982 BTC [+]	[02:04]
fractal	the main reason i'm continuing this is because I'm completely shocked that members of the community don't understand the definition of the term UNIT. Even Luke-Jr , I thought he was supposed to be considered somewhat respected, can't understand what the term UNIT means	[02:05]
fractal	I really thought bitcoin had smarter people invovled in it	[02:05]
fractal	seriously... shocked.	[02:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 70 @ 0.003977 = 0.2784 BTC [+]	[02:05]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 50 @ 0.00195 = 0.0975 BTC [-]	[02:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 250 @ 0.001911 = 0.4778 BTC [-]	[02:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 200 @ 0.001805 = 0.361 BTC [-]	[02:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1523 @ 0.00088528 = 1.3483 BTC [-]	[02:07]
thestringpuller	oh wow bitvps got shorted	[02:07]
thestringpuller	!ticker btctc bitvps	[02:07]
assbot	[BTCT:BITVPS] 1D: 0.001805 / 0.00209 / 0.00216 (610 shares, 1.2 BTC), 7D: 0.00195 / 0.00226 / 0.00262 (2685 shares, 6.1 BTC), 30D: 0.001802 / 0.00251 / 0.0035 (35712 shares, 89.8 BTC)	[02:07]
fractal	benkay_: should I tell you a few days before I launch my bitbet clone so you can short BBET on MPEX?	[02:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01 = 0.03 BTC [+]	[02:08]
fractal	benkay_: it will have 0% fees	[02:08]
thestringpuller	your bitbet clone will fail	[02:08]
Luke-Jr	fractal: here's more news for you: lots of these 400 Gh/s units ARE IN FACT ONE BOARD	[02:08]
thestringpuller	Lemme know when you launch your bitbet clone so I can make a bitbet about it failing	[02:08]
fractal	thestringpuller: thanks, doubters give me more of a drive to succeed. I appreciate it.	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.009003 BTC [+]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 6 @ 0.009002 = 0.054 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 8 @ 0.009 = 0.072 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 2 @ 0.009 = 0.018 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.008967 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 99 @ 0.00888 = 0.8791 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 17 @ 0.0086 = 0.1462 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 16 @ 0.00817 = 0.1307 BTC [-]	[02:09]
fractal	Luke-Jr: source? not a single 400Gh UNIT was shipped before Sept 1.	[02:09]
thestringpuller	fractal it's not doubt it statistics	[02:10]
Luke-Jr	fractal: buzzdave	[02:10]
thestringpuller	Bitbet in itself took a very long time to become successful	[02:10]
thestringpuller	how are you going to monetize with 0% fees?	[02:10]
thestringpuller	you can't	[02:10]
Luke-Jr	fractal: and I doubt the hardware changed	[02:10]
thestringpuller	you are dumb	[02:10]
Luke-Jr	most likely they had a software issue originally	[02:10]
fractal	thestringpuller: thats why I'm smart. I know how to make money with 0% fees, and you don't	[02:11]
fractal	keep it coming.	[02:11]
fractal	thestringpuller: but again, i appreciate the doubts, it helps me to code.	[02:11]
thestringpuller	Code is 1% of a business bro.	[02:11]
fractal	thanks... more plz	[02:11]
thestringpuller	Do you honestly think code is the entire business?	[02:11]
thestringpuller	;;ident fractal	[02:12]
fractal	gonna print your quotes out.	[02:12]
gribble	Nick 'fractal', with hostmask 'fractal!4f812986@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.129.41.134', is not identified.	[02:12]
thestringpuller	;;getrating fractal	[02:12]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[02:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: link/url/source please	[02:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 29 @ 0.1999 = 5.7971 BTC [+]	[02:12]
Luke-Jr	fractal: I asked him personally	[02:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: heresay doesn't really help....	[02:12]
Luke-Jr	note buzzdave represents the other manuf of the same boards	[02:13]
Luke-Jr	so it's possible the Europeans have some problems, but the point is the hardware is the same	[02:13]
fractal	Luke-Jr: the bet is about only bitfurystrikesback. not the other manufacturers. please read the bet language again to clarify	[02:13]
thestringpuller	fractal: are you in US?	[02:14]
fractal	thestringpuller: I use multiple VPN's to connect here.	[02:14]
benkay_	thestringpuller: i'm already betting against it on bitbet	[02:15]
thestringpuller	that's irrelevant if you operate IN the us	[02:15]
thestringpuller	you WILL get hit with Reco charges	[02:15]
fractal	thestringpuller: not in the US	[02:15]
thestringpuller	even benkay_ thinks you're a n00b an he's like the nicest guy ever	[02:15]
thestringpuller	go away	[02:16]
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fractal	thestringpuller: negz... Again, as I said... the negativity and doubting drives me.	[02:16]
benkay_	nice?	[02:16]
benkay_	polite maybe	[02:16]
thestringpuller	Good for you. Then when you crash and burn, will that fuel feed you as you starve?	[02:16]
benkay_	and only most of the time.	[02:16]
fractal	thestringpuller: food.	[02:17]
fractal	to prevent starvation, one eats food	[02:17]
fractal	thestringpuller: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food check out this link	[02:18]
thestringpuller	fractal: do you know why bitbet is successful?	[02:18]
thestringpuller	If you honestly can't answer that question you have already failed.	[02:19]
fractal	thestringpuller: loaded question, as its not objective. try again though.	[02:19]
thestringpuller	no it's a simple answer	[02:20]
fractal	thestringpuller: no, its not.	[02:20]
fractal	there are many factors, many subjective variables... many points to be made. sorry.	[02:20]
thestringpuller	not at all there is one factor in which drove it's core value	[02:20]
fractal	thestringpuller: actually, no, there isn't.	[02:21]
thestringpuller	wow benkay_ where is that bet? this is easy money	[02:22]
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fractal	We've spotted a minor (potentially major) security issue with the image that was distributed with the shipped units. The user pi and root both have some ssh credentials set. You should remove these so that no one can access your unit. (This should not be such big issue if you're behind NAT).	[02:23]
fractal	finally, vindication	[02:23]
fractal	a UNIT is somehting that has only 1 Rasbperry pi	[02:23]
fractal	thats from punin's mouth	[02:24]
fractal	yep. looks like I'm right.	[02:24]
fractal	wow. finally.	[02:24]
fractal	YES. AMAZING. after all these years of discussion,.... phew.	[02:24]
pankkake	oh looks like I won my first bitbet bet. but I don't know which one it is	[02:27]
kakobrekla	put your address in search bar	[02:27]
kakobrekla	and select 'closed'	[02:27]
kakobrekla	eh	[02:27]
kakobrekla	'resolved'	[02:27]
pankkake	oh cool	[02:28]
kakobrekla	you can mix the addresses and keywords for better filtering	[02:28]
pankkake	ok well I won almost nothing but that was http://bitbet.us/bet/490/btc-network-difficulty-to-top-69-million-by/	[02:28]
pankkake	despite having a decent weight no one dared to vote No	[02:29]
Luke-Jr	lol	[02:29]
Luke-Jr	obvious	[02:29]
Luke-Jr	I'd bet on 1mil, but then I'd have to find out what the laws regulating betting are here :/	[02:29]
Luke-Jr	(1mil by 2014, that is)	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003401 = 0.017 BTC [-]	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.0034 = 0.0068 BTC [-]	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 8 @ 0.002428 = 0.0194 BTC [+]	[02:30]
fractal	Difficulty will be well over 600Million by december.	[02:30]
fractal	Unless there are significant failures to deliver	[02:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 40 @ 0.003373 = 0.1349 BTC [-]	[02:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10 @ 0.003374 = 0.0337 BTC [+]	[02:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 8 @ 0.002439 = 0.0195 BTC [+]	[02:32]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: to clarify what a unit is ... punin just issued an alert for ssh credentials on a R-pi "The user pi and root both have some ssh credentials set. You should remove these so that no one can access your unit." See how he says that accessing a R-pi, gives access to your UNIT? Only 1M-board can be plugged into a R-pi, and only 16 H-card fit on 1 M-board. This means that the maxiumum performance from a UNIT is 365Gh..	[02:33]
fractal	I certainly hope you'll agree that after the second reference to what a UNIT is, that bitfurystrikesback.com has no single UNIT that performs at 365Gh	[02:34]
kakobrekla	you prolly mean 400 there	[02:34]
fractal	yes. sorry. no UNIT that performs at 400Gh	[02:35]
fractal	which means the bet is NO	[02:35]
fractal	can't believe that so many people can't understand basic english,	[02:35]
fractal	its mind blowing... i really though people invovled in bitocin were overall intelligent.	[02:35]
fractal	wow	[02:36]
kakobrekla	nope just a buncha tards here	[02:36]
fractal	looks like it... there have to be some smart people though... somewhere?	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01999 = 0.1999 BTC [+]	[02:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.02 = 1 BTC [+]	[02:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 165 @ 0.02 = 3.3 BTC [+]	[02:37]
fractal	?? looks like Luke-Jr and other are silent at the face of facts	[02:37]
kakobrekla	this is the creap of the crop	[02:38]
kakobrekla	cream	[02:38]
fractal	luke-jr: not much else to say after you're wrong and have too much pride to admit it?	[02:38]
fractal	pride is one of the 7 deadly sins, no?	[02:38]
Luke-Jr	fractal: except I'm not wrong	[02:39]
fractal	Luke-Jr: according to punin, you are	[02:40]
Luke-Jr	nope	[02:40]
Luke-Jr	I'm sure he didn't mean to settle a bet with that	[02:40]
Luke-Jr	and even if he did, he isn't the bet's judge	[02:40]
fractal	a 400Gh Unit is whatever fits on 1Raspberry Pi. thats a maxmimum of 16 H-cards. 365Gh. != 400Gh.. pretty simple. you're wrong.	[02:41]
fractal	its not rocket science. thats a unit.	[02:41]
fractal	UNIT. singular.	[02:41]
fractal	right, I'm pointing out that BitBet incorrectly marks bets yes when they should be no. based on english.	[02:41]
Luke-Jr	bet the same unit runs at 400 Gh if you put BFGMiner on it <.<	[02:41]
Luke-Jr	not based on English, no.	[02:42]
fractal	Luke-Jr: It doesn't.	[02:42]
Luke-Jr	English's definition of unit allows for "yes" here	[02:42]
fractal	Luke-Jr: The UNIT does not run at 400Gh.	[02:42]
fractal	Luke-Jr: No, it doesn't. sorry.	[02:42]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: At this point, you're still free to try and define a UNIT as something other then 1M-board attached to a raspberry pi.... but I think you'll fail... the thread is still there... go ahead.	[02:44]
fractal	otherwise you should do the right thing and retract your statement	[02:44]
fractal	but, of course you won't post again to the thread because people would see that you're wrong and you'd look pretty stupid ....	[02:45]
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dub	fkn drama up in hurr	[02:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+]	[02:50]
dub	how much are the new AM blades?	[02:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003374 BTC [+]	[02:50]
BigBitz	3.5BTC	[02:51]
dub	!ticker btc asicminer	[02:51]
assbot	I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.	[02:51]
dub	!ticker btc asicminer-pt	[02:51]
assbot	[BTCT:ASICMINER-PT] 1D: 1.93 / 2.09589 / 2.32 (368 shares, 771.3 BTC), 7D: 1.927 / 2.31758 / 2.609 (2665 shares, 6176.4 BTC), 30D: 1.927 / 2.99027 / 4.299 (15683 shares, 46896.4 BTC)	[02:51]
dub	;;ticket --market all	[02:52]
gribble	Error: "ticket" is not a valid command.	[02:52]
dub	;;ticker --market all	[02:52]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD last: 122.98498, vol: 17923.75796405 \| Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 117.61, vol: 19237.53145019 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 113.004, vol: 4994.03379 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 117.0, vol: 1679.07962362 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 117.42, vol: 1260.47891117 \| Volume-weighted last average: 119.208265448	[02:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02078 = 0.0416 BTC [-]	[02:53]
fractal	Luke-Jr: still waiting for your clarification on what a 'unit' is on the forum post?	[02:53]
fractal	crickets? thought so...	[02:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 330 @ 0.0024 = 0.792 BTC [-]	[02:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 120 @ 0.003372 = 0.4046 BTC [-]	[02:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 850 @ 0.00337 = 2.8645 BTC [-]	[02:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 60 @ 0.00335 = 0.201 BTC [-]	[02:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 33 @ 0.003299 = 0.1089 BTC [-]	[02:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 67 @ 0.0033 = 0.2211 BTC [+]	[02:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 33 @ 0.0033 = 0.1089 BTC [+]	[02:58]
dub	and buttfury are shipping?	[02:59]
fractal	yes, but they missed hardware performance numbers	[02:59]
fractal	400Gh unit is only 365Gh	[02:59]
fractal	they'll ship more hardware to make up for it though... or so they say.	[02:59]
kakobrekla	and if you order 400gh you get more than 400gh or something	[03:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 3 @ 0.01228 = 0.0368 BTC [+]	[03:01]
kakobrekla	oh yes missed teh last line	[03:01]
pankkake	so instead of a big butt you get two smaller butts	[03:02]
pankkake	a matter of preference it seems	[03:02]
kakobrekla	hey fractal you know what	[03:02]
kakobrekla	if you gonna bitch around about bitbet and such, i reccomend you use the referral link - at least you will get paid for it	[03:03]
fractal	hahaha... thanks for the tip	[03:04]
dexX7	Luke-Jr: ref "betting when one is certain of the outcome" - this is implicitly allowed by the bitbet faq: "Bets will not be cancelled because it became impossible for one side to win"	[03:04]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-ATF.B2] 6 @ 0.01229 = 0.0737 BTC [+]	[03:07]
fractal	dexX7: thanks for pointing that out.	[03:07]
kakobrekla	you see, we are not all that bad.	[03:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.0033 BTC [+]	[03:08]
fractal	Luke-Jr: care to respond? all bettors agree that " Bets will not be cancelled because it became impossible for one side to win" before betting... I'd like for your to retract your statement that betting after the outcome has been determined is a scam or ripoff?	[03:08]
fractal	thanks for pointing that out dexX7.	[03:09]
dub	why do you care what crazy has to say?	[03:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 51 @ 0.003304 = 0.1685 BTC [+]	[03:10]
kakobrekla	YOU ARE INANIMATE FUCKING OBJECT	[03:12]
*	VanCleef is now known as ClivePalmer	[03:12]
kakobrekla	gah	[03:12]
kakobrekla	wrong window again	[03:12]
dexX7	fractal: how many coins did you bet anyway?	[03:12]
fractal	dexX7: not much. its irrelevant tho	[03:13]
fractal	wrong bet is still a wrong bet ;)	[03:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1000 @ 0.003304 = 3.304 BTC [+]	[03:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.00328 BTC [-]	[03:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 120 @ 0.003303 = 0.3964 BTC [+]	[03:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.00329 BTC [-]	[03:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 12 @ 0.003301 = 0.0396 BTC [+]	[03:20]
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dexX7	https://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,551.msg44484.html#msg44484 "Initial Lane Powell Legal Fees/Retainer 505.05050000 BTC"	[03:20]
ozbot	[LTC-GLOBAL] the Litecoin Global Virtual Stock Exchange - Public Beta	[03:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7856 @ 0.00088565 = 6.9577 BTC [+]	[03:22]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003301 = 0.0165 BTC [+]	[03:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003301 = 0.0066 BTC [+]	[03:24]
kakobrekla	why the 500btc loan?	[03:24]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003302 BTC [+]	[03:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2 @ 0.01900001 = 0.038 BTC [-]	[03:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.01896 BTC [-]	[03:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.0189 BTC [-]	[03:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01871 = 0.1871 BTC [-]	[03:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144 @ 0.00088576 = 0.1275 BTC [+]	[03:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003302 BTC [+]	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3 @ 0.01870002 = 0.0561 BTC [-]	[03:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9656 @ 0.00088528 = 8.5483 BTC [-]	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 1 @ 0.01860001 BTC [-]	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.01856 = 0.1856 BTC [-]	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3 @ 0.0185555 = 0.0557 BTC [-]	[03:26]
ClivePalmer	wtf	[03:27]
ClivePalmer	people just love stealing my ideas	[03:27]
*	luke-jr_ is now known as Luke-Jr	[03:27]
ClivePalmer	oh well	[03:27]
dexX7	i don't know. did he pay the $100k already? if so, it might be cash usd from his own pocket because of the inability to convert that amount of btc	[03:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003302 = 0.0132 BTC [+]	[03:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 14 @ 0.00107 = 0.015 BTC [+]	[03:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 519 @ 0.0010799 = 0.5605 BTC [+]	[03:28]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.0010799 BTC [+]	[03:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PETA-MINE] 4 @ 0.6598 = 2.6392 BTC [-]	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00088528 = 0.7082 BTC [-]	[03:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003302 = 0.0132 BTC [+]	[03:35]
*	copumpkin is now known as valleypumpkin	[03:35]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003302 = 0.0132 BTC [+]	[03:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 34 @ 0.002439 = 0.0829 BTC [+]	[03:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 1 @ 0.0031 BTC [-]	[03:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDSTM] 15 @ 0.00329 = 0.0494 BTC [+]	[03:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003302 = 0.0132 BTC [+]	[03:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 100 @ 0.003841 = 0.3841 BTC [-]	[03:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 82 @ 0.003839 = 0.3148 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 235 @ 0.00382 = 0.8977 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 162 @ 0.003803 = 0.6161 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 801 @ 0.0038 = 3.0438 BTC [-]	[03:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003302 = 0.0132 BTC [+]	[03:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GROWTH] 29 @ 0.09901 = 2.8713 BTC [-]	[03:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003303 BTC [+]	[03:42]
gecko_gs2	How many hours left	[03:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 7 @ 0.001079 = 0.0076 BTC [-]	[03:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003303 = 0.0066 BTC [+]	[03:43]
gecko_gs2	Until we hashin ' 4TH	[03:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.199 BTC [-]	[03:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.199 BTC [-]	[03:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003303 = 0.0066 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003304 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003309 = 0.0066 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.00331 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003319 = 0.0066 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.00332 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 4 @ 0.003377 = 0.0135 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003378 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.00338 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 2 @ 0.003389 = 0.0068 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.00339 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 110 @ 0.003407 = 0.3748 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 50 @ 0.003409 = 0.1705 BTC [+]	[03:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02077 BTC [-]	[03:48]
pankkake	who?	[03:49]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[03:49]
gribble	Current Blocks: 256521 \| Current Difficulty: 8.693301777119441E7 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 258047 \| Next Difficulty In: 1526 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 10 hours, 20 minutes, and 33 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 103683135.551 \| Estimated Percent Change: 19.26784	[03:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.2 = 4.4 BTC [+]	[03:50]
jurov	https://www.facebook.com/ButterflyLabs/posts/631071773591299	[03:51]
pankkake	lol	[03:52]
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jurov	while we argue what is "an unit", scammers do theri thing	[03:52]
pankkake	well, it is an interesting idea… it would be better if it was cross-vendor	[03:52]
*	jurov offers bitcoin gem preorders	[03:53]
pankkake	do they take fees? that would be a very bad incentive	[03:53]
kakobrekla	lmFao jurov	[03:53]
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kakobrekla	how low can you go really..	[03:53]
kakobrekla	"we cant deliver so now customers can scam eachother out"	[03:54]
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taub	wow	[03:55]
taub	;;ticker	[03:55]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 121.30000, Best ask: 121.98999, Bid-ask spread: 0.68999, Last trade: 121.25000, 24 hour volume: 19109.28167753, 24 hour low: 121.25000, 24 hour high: 133.99999, 24 hour vwap: 126.49107	[03:55]
taub	;;premium mtgox bitstamp	[03:55]
gribble	mtgox premium over bitstamp is currently 3.1914893617 %.	[03:55]
taub	looks like someone took advantage of the arbitrage opportunities huh	[03:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.2 = 4.4 BTC [+]	[03:55]
pankkake	to get imaginary dollars?	[03:56]
kakobrekla	they will buy back btc	[03:56]
kakobrekla	once it dips	[03:56]
kakobrekla	to get out.	[03:56]
thestringpuller	hey kakobrekla since assbot has been open sourced	[03:56]
thestringpuller	now all the assbot data is available	[03:56]
thestringpuller	since I paid you I should be allowed to monetize that ;)	[03:57]
kakobrekla	it has been open sourced?	[03:57]
thestringpuller	the log	[03:57]
thestringpuller	master log on bitcoin-assets	[03:57]
kakobrekla	what is your ip?	[03:57]
thestringpuller	are you going to block me?	[03:57]
thestringpuller	on the log?	[03:57]
thestringpuller	:(	[03:57]
kakobrekla	;)	[03:58]
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thestringpuller	i give you cut if i makes monies	[03:58]
dexX7	what's the plan?	[03:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 3 @ 0.00395 = 0.0119 BTC [+]	[03:58]
thestringpuller	secret :P	[03:58]
dexX7	! :((	[03:58]
kakobrekla	yeah data is free but the delivery protocol isnt necessarily	[03:59]
thestringpuller	you mean log.bitcoin-assets.com	[03:59]
thestringpuller	why not?	[03:59]
thestringpuller	I should be able to download all the logs, and grep out assbot :P	[03:59]
kakobrekla	i ment socket.	[03:59]
thestringpuller	then sell the data	[04:00]
kakobrekla	feel free to use log data as you plesae	[04:01]
kakobrekla	its nice if you mention the source	[04:01]
kakobrekla	and thats about it.	[04:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.00104 = 0.0104 BTC [-]	[04:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1600 @ 0.00103 = 1.648 BTC [-]	[04:02]
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dexX7	there is a forced delay between each trade, right?	[04:02]
kakobrekla	where?	[04:02]
kakobrekla	on irc?	[04:02]
dexX7	yes	[04:03]
kakobrekla	1 second	[04:03]
kakobrekla	on socket 0 seconds	[04:03]
jurov	thestringpuller: if you really cant pay for socket, just use rss for mpex	[04:03]
dexX7	that socket, is it only used for assbot and some private users?	[04:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003948 = 0.0395 BTC [-]	[04:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003949 = 0.0395 BTC [+]	[04:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 52 @ 0.003979 = 0.2069 BTC [+]	[04:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 52 @ 0.00398 = 0.207 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 428 @ 0.004046 = 1.7317 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 428 @ 0.004047 = 1.7321 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.004055 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.004056 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 239 @ 0.004062 = 0.9708 BTC [+]	[04:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 114 @ 0.004063 = 0.4632 BTC [+]	[04:04]
kakobrekla	http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/	[04:04]
ozbot	MPEX Socket \| #bitcoin-assets	[04:04]
kakobrekla	its easy to add any other exchange to that its just there has been no real interest so far	[04:04]
kakobrekla	apart from mpex	[04:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02078 = 0.2286 BTC [+]	[04:05]
dexX7	true, but do you really want that?	[04:06]
kakobrekla	do i want what?	[04:06]
kakobrekla	add other exhcanges?	[04:06]
dexX7	well, offering a non-delayed data stream for all exchanges :)	[04:07]
kakobrekla	why not, i just open another socket chan	[04:07]
kakobrekla	theres already two chans	[04:07]
kakobrekla	one for mpex stock and one for mpex options	[04:07]
kakobrekla	[not documented]	[04:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003808 = 0.0381 BTC [-]	[04:07]
kakobrekla	why not dexX7?!	[04:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 21 @ 0.004062 = 0.0853 BTC [+]	[04:08]
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thestringpuller	kakobrekla is a slumlord	[04:09]
thestringpuller	in bitcoin world	[04:09]
thestringpuller	>:(	[04:09]
kakobrekla	what?	[04:09]
kakobrekla	dafuq did i do?	[04:09]
thestringpuller	how much dat socket cost?	[04:10]
thestringpuller	30 bitcoin a month?	[04:10]
kakobrekla	have you missed this	[04:10]
kakobrekla	03:01.18 ( kakobrekla ) feel free to use log data as you plesae	[04:10]
kakobrekla	03:01.29 ( kakobrekla ) its nice if you mention the source	[04:10]
kakobrekla	03:01.33 ( kakobrekla ) and thats about it.	[04:10]
kakobrekla	socket is 1btc per year.	[04:11]
dexX7	realtime data might offer a significant trading advatance, that's why i asked	[04:11]
kakobrekla	that is why its 1 btc per year	[04:11]
dexX7	are there many customers?	[04:12]
kakobrekla	a few	[04:12]
thestringpuller	dats why he slumlord >:(	[04:12]
kakobrekla	if you cant get back the 1btc you pay for socket by using the socket then the socket is not for you	[04:12]
thestringpuller	in 5 year he'll charge	[04:12]
thestringpuller	10 btc a year	[04:12]
kakobrekla	whatever.	[04:13]
jurov	mpex pricing model :D	[04:13]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [KENILWORTH] 3 @ 0.0018 = 0.0054 BTC [+]	[04:14]
*	valleypumpkin is now known as copumpkin	[04:14]
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benkay_	dat bfl facebook notice	[04:18]
benkay_	"Buyer's"	[04:18]
benkay_	hurp dorp	[04:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 10 @ 1.176 = 11.76 BTC [+]	[04:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 2 @ 0.01329 = 0.0266 BTC [-]	[04:25]
*	kleeck (~kleeck@c-98-206-89-55.hsd1.in.comcast.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[04:25]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02079 BTC [+]	[04:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0208 BTC [+]	[04:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.02083 = 1.354 BTC [+]	[04:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 70 @ 0.00341 = 0.2387 BTC [+]	[04:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.2 BTC [+]	[04:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 94 @ 0.003411 = 0.3206 BTC [+]	[04:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 36 @ 0.003413 = 0.1229 BTC [+]	[04:37]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 11 @ 0.02083 = 0.2291 BTC [+]	[04:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.02084 = 1.042 BTC [+]	[04:42]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02084 = 0.1042 BTC [+]	[04:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 240 @ 0.003419 = 0.8206 BTC [+]	[04:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02084 = 0.2084 BTC [+]	[04:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 120 @ 0.00342 = 0.4104 BTC [+]	[04:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 40 @ 0.003485 = 0.1394 BTC [+]	[04:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 100 @ 0.003485 = 0.3485 BTC [+]	[04:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.02084 = 0.6252 BTC [+]	[04:55]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 10 @ 0.00554 = 0.0554 BTC [+]	[05:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 32 @ 2.2 = 70.4 BTC [+]	[05:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5850 @ 0.00088528 = 5.1789 BTC [-]	[05:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 79 @ 0.02084 = 1.6464 BTC [+]	[05:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02086 = 0.2086 BTC [+]	[05:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.0209 = 2.09 BTC [+]	[05:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.29 BTC [+]	[05:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.29 = 4.58 BTC [+]	[05:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0209 BTC [+]	[05:19]
*	Digger (~quassel@i59F6CBBF.versanet.de) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[05:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 9 @ 0.0209 = 0.1881 BTC [+]	[05:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.0209 = 2.09 BTC [+]	[05:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.0209 = 2.09 BTC [+]	[05:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17210 @ 0.00088528 = 15.2357 BTC [-]	[05:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2240 @ 0.00088512 = 1.9827 BTC [-]	[05:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.0209 = 1.672 BTC [+]	[05:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 2 = 20 BTC [-]	[05:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 80 @ 0.0209 = 1.672 BTC [+]	[05:32]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 5 @ 0.0125 = 0.0625 BTC [-]	[05:33]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0208 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 19 @ 0.02079 = 0.395 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.0205 = 0.041 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.0204 = 0.102 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 5 @ 0.02021 = 0.1011 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 28 @ 0.0202 = 0.5656 BTC [-]	[05:35]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 95 @ 0.02003 = 1.9029 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 461 @ 0.02002 = 9.2292 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 50 @ 0.02002 = 1.001 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02 = 0.08 BTC [-]	[05:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 31 @ 0.02089 = 0.6476 BTC [+]	[05:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02089 BTC [+]	[05:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 4 @ 0.0001921 = 0.0008 BTC [-]	[05:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 7 @ 0.0124 = 0.0868 BTC [-]	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 8 @ 0.012 = 0.096 BTC [-]	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.0111 = 0.555 BTC [-]	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 20 @ 0.01105002 = 0.221 BTC [-]	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 134 @ 0.01105001 = 1.4807 BTC [-]	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 17 @ 0.01105 = 0.1879 BTC [-]	[05:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 2 @ 0.0106 = 0.0212 BTC [-]	[05:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 4 @ 0.0101 = 0.0404 BTC [-]	[05:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]	[05:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-]	[05:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 4 @ 0.0096 = 0.0384 BTC [-]	[05:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 4 @ 0.0091 = 0.0364 BTC [-]	[05:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 395 @ 0.003 = 1.185 BTC [-]	[05:51]
ClivePalmer	nice tanking	[05:52]
ThickAsThieves	what was ipo price?	[05:52]
Duffer1	.01 i believe	[05:53]
Duffer1	ya .01	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	ouch	[05:55]
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pankkake	the guy filled all bids but one (well, partially)	[05:58]
pankkake	weird	[05:58]
ClivePalmer	i'm scared....again	[05:59]
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pankkake	only about 3 BTC volume?	[06:02]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.01329 BTC [+]	[06:05]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.0063864 BTC [-]	[06:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 12 @ 0.0051 = 0.0612 BTC [-]	[06:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.02012 = 0.0604 BTC [-]	[06:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 2 @ 0.01999 = 0.04 BTC [+]	[06:33]
dexX7	http://i.imgur.com/XbnKclR.png	[06:37]
Duffer1	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1lvqlc/now_you_can_sell_your_bfl_preorder_or_buy_a_spot/	[06:38]
ozbot	Now you can sell your BFL pre-order, or buy a spot in line. : Bitcoin	[06:38]
Duffer1	lolol	[06:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 3 @ 0.019 = 0.057 BTC [-]	[06:50]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003343 BTC [-]	[06:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003342 = 0.0167 BTC [-]	[06:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 30 @ 0.003325 = 0.0998 BTC [-]	[06:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.003324 = 0.01 BTC [-]	[06:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1 @ 0.004 BTC [-]	[06:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 99 @ 0.004 = 0.396 BTC [-]	[06:54]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 384 @ 0.00088512 = 0.3399 BTC [-]	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4550 @ 0.00088322 = 4.0187 BTC [-]	[06:57]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2558 @ 0.00088135 = 2.2545 BTC [-]	[06:57]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 8 @ 0.01999 = 0.1599 BTC [+]	[06:58]
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mircea_popescu	jurov "an unit" sorta has this "an hero" flavour to it. maybe it becomes a meme	[07:02]
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mircea_popescu	http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.security.cryptography.randombit/4689	[07:06]
ozbot	List for general discussion of cryptography, particularly focused on technical matters	[07:06]
mircea_popescu	re the entire linux rng discussion	[07:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4055 @ 0.00088642 = 3.5944 BTC [+]	[07:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1250 @ 0.00088653 = 1.1082 BTC [+]	[07:11]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2645 @ 0.00088656 = 2.345 BTC [+]	[07:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 24 @ 0.003443 = 0.0826 BTC [+]	[07:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 7 @ 0.004061 = 0.0284 BTC [+]	[07:13]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 15 @ 0.002439 = 0.0366 BTC [+]	[07:16]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 65 @ 0.02069 = 1.3449 BTC [+]	[07:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02069 = 0.2069 BTC [+]	[07:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 8 @ 0.002439 = 0.0195 BTC [+]	[07:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 9 @ 0.02 = 0.18 BTC [+]	[07:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003333 = 0.0167 BTC [-]	[07:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 104 @ 0.003333 = 0.3466 BTC [-]	[07:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 117 @ 0.003332 = 0.3898 BTC [-]	[07:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 2901 @ 0.004 = 11.604 BTC [-]	[07:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3 @ 0.003329 = 0.01 BTC [-]	[07:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003302 BTC [-]	[07:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.001079 BTC [+]	[07:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 194 @ 0.003889 = 0.7545 BTC [-]	[07:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 28 @ 0.003886 = 0.1088 BTC [-]	[07:38]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003885 = 0.0389 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 105 @ 0.003882 = 0.4076 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 25 @ 0.003841 = 0.096 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 100 @ 0.00384 = 0.384 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 423 @ 0.003804 = 1.6091 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 199 @ 0.0038 = 0.7562 BTC [-]	[07:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1216 @ 0.0038 = 4.6208 BTC [-]	[07:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.28 BTC [-]	[07:44]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 12 @ 0.003891 = 0.0467 BTC [+]	[07:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.00389 = 0.1945 BTC [-]	[07:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]	[07:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.00666666 BTC [-]	[07:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 22 @ 0.003813 = 0.0839 BTC [-]	[07:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.012 BTC [+]	[07:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 70 @ 0.003812 = 0.2668 BTC [-]	[07:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.00666666 BTC [-]	[07:53]
*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[15:54]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading, I heard.	[15:54]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Tue May 14 16:38:49 2013	[15:54]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252531.msg3099262#msg3099262	[15:54]
ozbot	[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	benkay this trend to make the browser central to computing is retarded.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	there's no need for phones that are "entertainment centers" nor for browsers that are abstractions of the os.	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake lol did kleeck ignore you after that ?	[15:56]
pankkake	wasn't my post	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	;;nethash	[15:57]
gribble	754010.73283	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	only 3x what they predicted lolz.	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	"Why should the owners of two different exchanges spend their time and money to develop a protocol for transferring shares? How would it benefit either of them?"	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	LorenzoMoney you're a retard aren't you.	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	i need to stop following these links. i have people insulating me from the idiocy for a reason.	[15:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5776 @ 0.00088357 = 5.1035 BTC [-]	[16:05]
ClivePalmer	i only trust Lorenzo Sanchez	[16:06]
BigBitz	+1 mircea_popescu	[16:07]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 1.028 = 2.056 BTC [-]	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	also in case anyone's missed it, trilema coments are like the shit these days : http://trilema.com/2013/anonimity-not-for-the-poor/#comment-94888	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	apparently linus t was complicit in weakening linux rng implementation.	[16:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 3 @ 0.003867 = 0.0116 BTC [+]	[16:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003867 = 0.0387 BTC [+]	[16:13]
pankkake	I've been wanting an http://www.entropykey.co.uk/ for a while	[16:14]
pankkake	"Please note that there is a very long waiting period for Entropy Keys at the moment." oh well…	[16:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02126 = 0.0425 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02129 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10 @ 0.003357 = 0.0336 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 20 @ 0.003358 = 0.0672 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02129 = 0.0426 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003358 = 0.0168 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 10 @ 0.003365 = 0.0337 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 212 @ 0.003384 = 0.7174 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 424 @ 0.003386 = 1.4357 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1345 @ 0.003392 = 4.5622 BTC [+]	[16:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 3000 @ 0.003393 = 10.179 BTC [+]	[16:15]
pankkake	https://code.google.com/p/csrng/ is interesting too	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know one of the bright minds that made asics or wanted to make asics but didn't get to it in time should make a stick like that.	[16:16]
ozbot	csrng -	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	"The Entropy Key contains two high-quality noise generators, and an ARM Cortex CPU that actively measures, checks and confirms all generated random numbers"	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	honestly i doubt these know wtf they're talking about.	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	"two" ? which two ? what do they do ?	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	how's an arm chip "check" random numbers ?	[16:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003868 = 0.0387 BTC [+]	[16:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2654 @ 0.00088381 = 2.3456 BTC [+]	[16:18]
pankkake	I tried a thing to make audio an source of entropy, but couldn't get it to work	[16:18]
mircea_popescu	why not ?	[16:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003868 = 0.0387 BTC [+]	[16:19]
pankkake	I don't remember. maybe it was really old and wanted OSS which I had disabled	[16:19]
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pankkake	http://www.entropykey.co.uk/tech/ and the pdf gives somewhat of an explanation, not that I can validate it	[16:20]
ozbot	Simtec Electronics Entropy Key: USB True Random Number Generator	[16:20]
mircea_popescu	avalanche noise	[16:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 310 @ 0.003402 = 1.0546 BTC [+]	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	The streams are also exclusive-ORed together and that stream's entropy is estimated in the same manner. If the raw streams appear to have severely reduced entropy then it indicates a fault in that generator, if the third stream has low entropy then it indicates that the generators have correlated and are not independently gathering entropy.	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	that's a good test at least.	[16:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 30 @ 0.003406 = 0.1022 BTC [+]	[16:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 12 @ 0.003865 = 0.0464 BTC [-]	[16:25]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 10 @ 0.008205 = 0.0821 BTC [+]	[16:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 182 @ 0.003406 = 0.6199 BTC [+]	[16:29]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 13 @ 0.003869 = 0.0503 BTC [+]	[16:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 179 @ 0.003406 = 0.6097 BTC [+]	[16:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.18 BTC [-]	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	"Shortly before the first release, I read an article about the ongoing	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	Bitkeeper debacle that described Larry McVoy as mercurial (in the sense	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	of 'fickle'). Given the multiple meanings, the convenient abbreviation,	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	and the good fit with my pre-existing naming scheme (see my email	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	address), it clicked instantly. Mercurial is thus named in Larry's	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	honor. I do not know if the same is true of Git."	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:31]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 1 @ 0.003406 BTC [+]	[16:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2324 @ 0.00088357 = 2.0534 BTC [-]	[16:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00088315 = 3.7092 BTC [-]	[16:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2369 @ 0.00088186 = 2.0891 BTC [-]	[16:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+]	[16:39]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 3 @ 0.00104999 = 0.0031 BTC [-]	[16:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 4 @ 0.1231 = 0.4924 BTC [+]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 23 @ 0.122 = 2.806 BTC [-]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.12 = 1.2 BTC [-]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 23 @ 0.00247 = 0.0568 BTC [-]	[16:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.01249 BTC [+]	[16:57]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.0212 = 0.636 BTC [-]	[16:59]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.00247 BTC [-]	[17:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.00247 = 0.0049 BTC [-]	[17:04]
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fractal	yep	[19:07]
fractal	looks like the thread is going well	[19:07]
fractal	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289316.msg3101801#msg3101801	[19:07]
ozbot	BitBet incorrectly declares yes to a no bet. Stay Away from BitBet!	[19:07]
fractal	latest person to agree that the UNIT did not perform as advertsied	[19:07]
fractal	Luke-Jr will soon look like quite the idiot	[19:09]
fractal	trying to argue that multiple stand-alone units equal 1 unit	[19:09]
fractal	2 UNITS != 1 UNIT	[19:09]
fractal	unbelieveable	[19:09]
kakobrekla	soon? that time has passed.	[19:09]
kakobrekla	anyway the forum tards can yap all the can, doesnt change a thing.	[19:10]
fractal	it does change a thing	[19:10]
kakobrekla	all they can	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	what	[19:10]
kakobrekla	thats what you think :)	[19:10]
fractal	the more people agreeing that bitbet is a scam and that the bet was a NO, the better	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	's Luke-Jr to do with it ?	[19:10]
fractal	Luke-Jr tried to argue that 2 units == 1 unit	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	fractal bitcoin is not about headcount. the sooner you come to terms with it the better (for you).	[19:11]
fractal	he's basically mathmatically retarted	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	uh.	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	jesus what a troublemaker. what the fuck am i going to say now ;/	[19:11]
kakobrekla	lol	[19:11]
fractal	headcount must matter at some point.... popular opinion DOES matter	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[19:12]
fractal	it will be a long and difficult process, but eventually, people will agree that the this bet was a total fraud	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	it used to, back in the fiat days. those days are gone.	[19:12]
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kakobrekla	offtopic, a fella i know is waiting 3 months now for 30k eur from gox and they dont wanna pay.	[19:12]
kakobrekla	its turning back to ugly.	[19:12]
fractal	except that if people don't trust bitbet , they won't use it, == lost revenues	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	they can agree with anything they want. popular vote is no longer relevant in this world.	[19:12]
mircea_popescu	fractal you equivocate "people".	[19:13]
fractal	its ok. a bitbet clone that is more trusted will pop up soon, with 0% fees	[19:14]
ThickAsThieves	[ANNOUNCEMENT] NEO & BEE The Bitcoin Bank & Payment System (Cyprus) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.0	[19:14]
ThickAsThieves	This is the first XBOND exchangeable offering, the first offering to work under the new terminology of IPVO, and TAT Investments largest undertaking to date	[19:14]
ThickAsThieves	Full prospectus can be viewed here: http://lmb-holdings.com/LMB_Holdings_Prospectus.pdf	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	fractal ya, how's that coming along ?	[19:14]
kakobrekla	;;getrating fractal	[19:14]
gribble	Use the gettrust command instead. See http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Relying_on_the_rating	[19:14]
kakobrekla	;;gettrust fractal	[19:15]
fractal	slowly	[19:15]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user kakobrekla to user fractal: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=kakobrekla&dest=fractal \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=fractal	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla well he's new.	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	It will also be the first coordinate offering across exchanges simultaneously	[19:15]
ThickAsThieves	coordinated*	[19:15]
fractal	don't bother getrating me. i use multiple nicks, and have multiple identities. and multiple accounts on bitcointalk...... infact, i'm a popular user in here with another nickname ;) pretty fun actually ....	[19:15]
kakobrekla	thats good to know.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	fractal don't be stupid. pick an identity and stick to it.	[19:15]
Kleeck__	ThickAsThieves, interesting. Checking now.	[19:16]
fractal	why would i do that? multiple identies means i can have multiple reputations, some i dont care about ruining, some that are very good .	[19:16]
fractal	its the best of both worlds.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	i guess everyone needs to learn by doing.	[19:17]
mircea_popescu	fine, go right ahead.	[19:17]
kakobrekla	well, you just ruined the fractal identitiy	[19:17]
fractal	not really, fractal has a bunch of support right now regarding this bet , -- he is a pretty divisive figure though	[19:17]
kakobrekla	;>	[19:17]
Duffer1	the argument as support regardless of identity	[19:18]
Duffer1	has*	[19:18]
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mircea_popescu	any stupidity can gather some support, that's the nature of the internet.	[19:18]
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mircea_popescu	out of however many people you can find some willing to swallow anything.	[19:19]
fractal	for example, if i used my main identity for this bet, it would mean getting into a bunch of arguments with people i talk to regularly... luke-jr, for example, has posted something completely idiotic in the thread, and now has egg on his face	[19:19]
fractal	he should have used a diff identity	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	i propose you completely misunderstand what identity is, what it works and what it's for.	[19:20]
fractal	if punin replies that one unit is whatever is attached to 1-Mboard, it will put the matter to rest and fractal will be vindicated, and bitbet will look like idiots	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	even the expression "different identity" is retarded on its face.	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	but that aside : strawmen never won a dispute.	[19:20]
fractal	no way. look at matthew N wright. he could have trolled everyone with his stupid bet if he used a diff identity, instead he decided to troll with his real one -- pretty stupid	[19:21]
Duffer1	they're right about the bet though MP it's a clear no	[19:21]
fractal	Agreed.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 well apparently they weren't.	[19:21]
pankkake	ThickAsThieves: if I get Neobee shares by using XBONDs, it can be on Havelock still? No bitfunder?	[19:21]
fractal	bitbet was wrong	[19:22]
fractal	and people who are objective and logical will see that all clauses of the bet weren't met, and for that reason it must have been a NO. the decision will haunt bitbet for years to come, as it will not go away	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	yes yes, i get you, "the people" know, which is to say the various "different identities" of whatever random trolls, and you'll make a better communist version of bitbet with 0% fees and direct access to the definitive truths.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	how's something awful these days ?	[19:24]
thestringpuller	aw yissss	[19:24]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu is hear to call fractal an idiot	[19:24]
fractal	0% fees doesn't mean that it won't be profitable	[19:24]
thestringpuller	here*	[19:24]
fractal	you can make money with 0% fees	[19:24]
Duffer1	advertising? who wants to see that..	[19:24]
fractal	and not communist	[19:24]
fractal	not advertising either	[19:24]
mircea_popescu	fractal at issue is the romantic notion that you'll somehow know the truth, not the fees.	[19:25]
fractal	the truth is that the bet was a NO, and bitbet said it was a yes, because they were paid off by Anduck, . fraud.	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	hahaha what.	[19:26]
fractal	thats the rumour going around.	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	since when does anduck have money to pay anyone off.	[19:26]
thestringpuller	hahahahahahaha	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves: if I get Neobee shares by using XBONDs, it can be on Havelock still? No bitfunder? <<<< Th XBOND redemption is only towards BitFunder shares, this limitation came about in the negotiation process. You may, however, export the shares anywhere you like once you have them though, as transfer services are being offewred	[19:26]
thestringpuller	oh god	[19:26]
fractal	he had 10BTC at stake and paid a 5BTC bribe to get it as a yes bet	[19:26]
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mircea_popescu	that'd be predictably ridiculous.	[19:27]
fractal	obviously BitBet accepted this bribe, because theres no logical reason why it should have been a yes	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	you're taking an excursion into cognitive dissonance.	[19:27]
fractal	makes perfect sense to me, as well as others.	[19:27]
fractal	how can BitBet be trusted when they're making incorrect bet outcomes and taking bribes?	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	as well as others identically identified with you or as well as others differently identified with you ?	[19:27]
Duffer1	there is a logical reason for yes, i disagree with it, but it's there	[19:28]
fractal	who knows who we'll be able to identify which identities are identifyable???	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	well, bitbet isn't doing either. i can see why some people would very much like to claim this, especially after the painful experience of labcoin in their thread	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	but otherwise...	[19:28]
fractal	maybe BitBet shouldn't accept bad bets anymore?	[19:29]
Duffer1	that shouldn't be their responsibility	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	well ideally it shouldn't, but there's this bitch with recognising them in practice.	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	so far all the deliveries either delivered or missed by a mile	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	having something come in under 10% is rare.	[19:29]
pankkake	forcing BitFunder is annoying… but as long as I have zero bitcoins in there I should be fine I guess	[19:30]
Duffer1	that labcoin bet is gonna cause a bit of drama hehe	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 from what i saw already has.	[19:30]
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fractal	but 10% under is still a miss... which is still a no.	[19:30]
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mircea_popescu	arguably. apparently that argument didn't prevail.	[19:31]
fractal	what labcoin bet?	[19:31]
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fractal	url?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/521/labcoins-own-130nm-design-sample-chips-will-be/	[19:31]
fractal	mp: well thats because whoever decided is a fool, and bitbet will take a reputational hit for it	[19:31]
ozbot	BitBet - Labcoins own 130nm design sample chips will be received by testers by 12TH SEPT 2013	[19:31]
Duffer1	the one about 5 tested samples before a certain date	[19:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01209 BTC [-]	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	fractal he who steps into deciding contentious matters without recourse for the parties is going to make a lot of enemies of your sort.	[19:32]
fractal	"PR outlets and known shills specifically excluded" --- this is bad bet language... what is a PR outlet? who are the known shills? this is the kind of bullshit bet that BitBet should NOT be accepting	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	this was well known aforehand, excuse me if i fail to be impressed a year later.	[19:33]
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mircea_popescu	yeah ? how would you have phrased that ?	[19:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [NASTY-PT] 4 @ 0.002099 = 0.0084 BTC [+]	[19:33]
Duffer1	"anyone officially involved with, or paid by"	[19:34]
fractal	id' specifically list names of users who have ordered and agreed to verity	[19:34]
Duffer1	meh idc	[19:34]
pankkake	Error: Google 2-Factor MUST be enabled to transfer shares.	[19:34]
pankkake	lol bitfunder	[19:34]
pankkake	really the worst site ever	[19:34]
Duffer1	bf makes me sad :(	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	fractal what if the list is 50`000 names long ?	[19:35]
fractal	heres another bullshit sentence -- "credibly show their sample ASIC chip working to specification" what is the specification? what is the timestamp of the spec? what if Labcoin changes spec during the bet?	[19:35]
fractal	mp: not hard to link to a pastebin	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	the timestamp is the date the bet was made.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	this was established already on the bfl contentions.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	and yes it's not hard to link to a pastebin but it's hard to have it read.	[19:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01209 BTC [-]	[19:35]
fractal	mp: so then why was the bitfury bet a yes when the hardware UNIT as advertised didn't do 400Gh? but only 365Gh????????????	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather have vague short text everyone can be expected to read than long text everyone can be expected not to read.	[19:35]
fractal	mp: the bitfury bet, as timestamped, showed the 400Gh unit as being hardware on 1M-board.	[19:36]
Duffer1	making a database of every name involved is a completely unrealistic expectation for any bet	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 exactly.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	fractal they advertised two types, overshot performance on one, undershot on the other and made up for the difference sending more gear.	[19:36]
fractal	mp: if bitfury sehipped more hardware, they changed the spec, and the bet was a yes..... you've contradicted yourself.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	i get that in a strong nominalist view you want this as a no,	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	but you'll have to understand that bitbet is used by many people for many purposes and technical arguments may or may not carry.	[19:37]
fractal	a nominalist view is the only way to decide it.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	ideally your position is substantially supported. if it's technically suported you're at risk.	[19:37]
fractal	people bet based on the logical flow of the language in the bet	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	this is true now and it'll stay true as best as i can determine until we move on to writing c++ instead of english	[19:37]
fractal	hahah	[19:37]
fractal	lol	[19:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 1 @ 0.01185 BTC [-]	[19:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 5 @ 0.00106 = 0.0053 BTC [+]	[19:38]
fractal	mp: i think betbet should return the NO bets their money, and then gain from the positive PR they'd receive	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	well if that's what you think i really can't wait for your competitor.	[19:39]
fractal	rather then having these forum posts continue on indefinitely	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	i'd bet there a lot, seeing how i probably have a lot more shitslinging capacity than you can dream of.	[19:39]
fractal	hahaha	[19:39]
fractal	ok sounds good	[19:39]
fractal	fuckbitbet.com wouldn't take bad bets though in the first place, so it woudln't run into these problems	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	chip & pin card design added to details: http://i.imgur.com/YebNUYx.png	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	well no, as a fiction it wouldn't. once it's live i'm curious how that works.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	and im not being facetious either. i'm actually curious. maybe i learn something.	[19:41]
fractal	just dont take bad bets. if the bet can't be broken down into logical symbols, dont take it	[19:41]
fractal	with all terms defined	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	this sounds great in theory.	[19:42]
fractal	btw, please dont register fuckbitbet.com	[19:42]
Duffer1	ThickAsThieves looks hot man, i like it a lot (except the yellow color of nEo, bitcoin orange might be cool)	[19:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.217 BTC [-]	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	im not gonna.	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	(and if i was gonna i'd have registered it in january not september.)	[19:43]
fractal	why not? im trying to use reverse psychology so that you have to spend $4	[19:43]
fractal	regsiter it!!	[19:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 62 @ 0.003801 = 0.2357 BTC [-]	[19:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 188 @ 0.0038 = 0.7144 BTC [-]	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	lmao why not. because i believe in free speech.	[19:43]
fractal	now i'm actually using reverse reverse psychology so that you don't register it	[19:44]
fractal	or potentially reverse-reverse-reverse psychology	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	just go get laid.	[19:44]
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fractal	advice we can all take, i'm sure.	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	im dried out. celebrated 100mn yesterday.	[19:45]
fractal	whats 100mn	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2013#290235	[19:47]
ClivePalmer	lol, just go get laid	[19:47]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[19:48]
fractal	oh, 100m difficulty?	[19:48]
fractal	yeah thats not surprising	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	it takes more to make a block than all the math done in the entire history of humanity up until 1900 or so.	[19:49]
fractal	btw, i gave up on trying to convince idiots that buying mining equipment in USD that doesn't ROI in BTC terms is a bad idea....	[19:49]
fractal	so now i'm selling virtual hashing units for USD that will never ROI in BTC terms.... i'm paying out 100% PPS, and pocketing the BTC differential as profit	[19:50]
fractal	but the idiot buyers are happy because 'when the exchange rate goes up, they'll ROI in USD!'	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 62 @ 0.0038 = 0.2356 BTC [-]	[19:50]
fractal	sooooooo stupid	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 238 @ 0.003785 = 0.9008 BTC [-]	[19:50]
fractal	easy money	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 250 @ 0.00343 = 0.8575 BTC [+]	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1049 = 0.2098 BTC [+]	[19:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [+]	[19:51]
fractal	they send me USD. i immeditaely convert it to BTC.... then i pay them out 50% of that over the lifetime of the virtual miner, and keep the other 50% as profit	[19:51]
fractal	soooooooooo stupid idiots all over the forums falling for this	[19:51]
fractal	already have 800 BTC in contracts	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	ThickAsThieves looks hot man, i like it a lot (except the yellow color of nEo, bitcoin orange might be cool) <<< I like the yellow, but ultimately that's all decided by the marketing team	[19:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.1049 BTC [+]	[19:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	I did suggest some tweaks, who knows if they'll listen :)	[19:52]
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Duffer1	cheers man, i'm reading the prospectus now	[19:52]
fractal	all Mining company IPOs are a scam	[19:53]
fractal	AM, VMC, all of them	[19:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+]	[19:53]
fractal	short all of them to zero	[19:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 20 @ 0.0031 = 0.062 BTC [-]	[19:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [LABCO] 2 @ 0.0031 = 0.0062 BTC [-]	[19:54]
ThickAsThieves	all companies are a scam, cuz like 99% of them go out of business someday	[19:54]
fractal	right. which means you have to sell shares to idiots to make money, which is morally wrong	[19:54]
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fractal	according to luke-jr	[19:54]
Duffer1	i don't see how it's a scam if divs provide more income than your buy in	[19:54]
Luke-Jr	fractal: I don't decide morals.	[19:55]
fractal	Luke-Jr: you try to preach arbitrary ones	[19:55]
Luke-Jr	nor did I say what fractal claims I said	[19:55]
fractal	universal morals dont exist, everybody has different definitions. so get off your high horse	[19:55]
Luke-Jr	fractal: universal morals DO exist	[19:56]
pankkake	why even bother with this guy	[19:56]
fractal	Luke-Jr: yeah, you instead accuse others of trying to 'steal' coins from people. incredibly rude and unprofessional	[19:56]
Luke-Jr	"everybody" making up their own is merely delusional	[19:56]
pankkake	he reminds me of the crazy homeless guys who talk to themselves	[19:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 50 @ 0.003784 = 0.1892 BTC [-]	[19:56]
pankkake	in 10 years he will be on the streets ranting about bitbet	[19:56]
fractal	Luke-Jr: your morals for betting standards -- i bet most would disagree with you	[19:56]
Luke-Jr	fractal: they aren't mine, and anyone who disagrees with the Church on morals is simply wrong	[19:57]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: the same church that burned books, raped and killed millions? no thank you.	[19:57]
Luke-Jr	fractal: slander all you like, won't make it true	[19:58]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: promote a set of morals that are false all you like, won't make it true	[19:58]
Luke-Jr	I don't.	[19:58]
fractal	yes, you do	[19:58]
fractal	you accussed me of theft based on your 'morals'	[19:59]
fractal	complete bullshit.	[19:59]
fractal	even after i used your own post to disprove your argument	[19:59]
fractal	since i told all in the comments that the bet was a NO	[19:59]
fractal	before betting	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	da fuck is going on here anyway.	[19:59]
fractal	i checked to make sure the rules	[19:59]
fractal	Luke-Jr: and by the way, bets on bitbet aren't bets. they are a contract, based on clauses in the FAQ, which read "Bets will not be cancelled because it became impossible for one side to win" ... this is against your morals post, which means everyone who bets on bitbet is not a moral better. which means they aren't betting, they're engaging in a contract	[20:00]
fractal	mp: basically Luke-Jr tried to accuse me of theft and stealing coins, based on some post from a christian church website on betting, because he thinkgs i knew the outcome before i made the bet, and didn't tell anyone about it in time for them to retract their bet	[20:01]
Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: fractal claims you're a scammer; while I don't argue about that, I think you made the right call here	[20:01]
fractal	Luke-Jr: everyone who can do math on the forum post disagrees with you	[20:02]
fractal	Luke-Jr: 2 units != 1 unit	[20:02]
Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: http://bitcointroll.org/?topic=289316.0	[20:02]
fractal	Luke-Jr: punin himself acknowleged that a 400Gh unit does not do 365Gh	[20:02]
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fractal	does not do 400Gh	[20:03]
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fractal	also, I'll be monitoring the bitfury thread and waiting for punin to make more comments about what a 'unit' is.... I will post all of these so that people can see that your attempt to define a unit as something other then 1M-board makes you look like a complete fool	[20:04]
fractal	Luke-Jr: i have no doubt Anduck likely paid you off to shilll for him....	[20:04]
nubbins`	and where's the bitnet?	[20:04]
nubbins`	uh, bitbet	[20:04]
fractal	theres no possible way that anyone could say that a unit was anything other then what fits on 1M-board.... its advertised right on their website	[20:04]
fractal	the only reason someone would disagree is if they were paid a bribe...	[20:05]
fractal	you can't defy logic without paying a bribe	[20:05]
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nubbins`	nm, found it	[20:05]
fractal	Luke-Jr: by the way, why did eligius start merge-mining Namecoin??? i thought you found that chain morally wrong to promote?	[20:05]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: personally i think its disgusting that you are knowingly merge mining a chain with illegal content on it....	[20:06]
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nubbins`	well, after a cursory, glance, it would seem that the outcome of that bet is an obvious no. 365 < 400.	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	who is this guy anyway.	[20:06]
fractal	Luke-Jr: its clear that money and wealth has corrupted you......	[20:06]
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fractal	nubbins`: thanks. you and most others are logical.	[20:06]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: why does eligius merge mine namecoins? have you been corrupted by money?	[20:07]
Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: fractal = integrity42	[20:07]
fractal	Luke-Jr: another conspiratorial speculation by yourself	[20:07]
fractal	with zero evidence to back it up	[20:07]
nubbins`	for that matter, if the unit only hashes at 365GH/s, then the "400 gigahash mining units" haven't even been delivered	[20:08]
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Luke-Jr	fractal: you spoke as if you were integrity42 and made no attempt to even implicitly deny it until now	[20:08]
mircea_popescu	aka some chick named janet ?	[20:08]
fractal	nubbins`: exactly.... thank god you can understand logic. Luke-Jr can't	[20:08]
nubbins`	"Devices must meet advertised performance" is pretty cut and dry, too. We all know what "MUST" means.	[20:08]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: they delivered 400 Gh/s units that comprised of multiple boards	[20:08]
fractal	Luke-Jr: thinks that 2 Units == 1 Unit	[20:08]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: which operate well within the advertised performance	[20:08]
fractal	Luke-Jr: 2 Units != 1 Unit.	[20:08]
fractal	Luke-Jr: they were seperate units	[20:09]
fractal	it was a refund	[20:09]
fractal	compensation for missing performance targets	[20:09]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: link to specs? 400GH/s+ at <= 400W?	[20:09]
fractal	Luke-Jr: Do you know how many H-cards fit in a single unit?	[20:09]
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fractal	Luke-Jr: How many H-cards fit in a single unit?	[20:09]
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Luke-Jr	nubbins`: the specs are linked from the OP there	[20:10]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: the actual watts used by both boards combined is like 270 W	[20:10]
fractal	Luke-Jr: why does eligius merge mine namecoins? you know it is illegal and immoral. when did you become corrupted by monetary gain?	[20:10]
fractal	nubbins`: notice how Luke-Jr says 'both' boards... when the bet states it must be contained in a single UNIT	[20:10]
Kleeck__	Oh. We're debating this AGAIN. This is week three, no?	[20:11]
fractal	Luke-Jr: why won't you answer my question regarding merge mining namecoin. you know it is immoral. when did you become corrupted by monetary gain?	[20:11]
Kleeck__	<3 Bitbet.	[20:11]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: so they essentially attached 2 boards together, but it's still 400GH/s+ and <= 400W? And everyone who ordered one of these "400 gigahash mining units" is receiving one of these 2-boards-taped-together devices?	[20:11]
Luke-Jr	fractal: if you have an actual argument why namecoin is illegal or immoral, please feel free to email me with it or bring it up in #eligius - but after the last day or so, you seem entirely un-credible in your claims	[20:11]
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fractal	nubbins`: they're not taped together... they're completely seperate devieces.... completely seperate units, because a single unit does not do 400Gh	[20:11]
Duffer1	not everyone received that though Nubbs, it's weird, just ignore it hehe	[20:11]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: correct, although I don't know if they're physically connected	[20:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: it came out of your mouth 2 months ago. you woudn't merge-,mine namecoin because it had illegal data in the blockchain --- i want to know when you changed your mind and became corrupted by money	[20:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: they are 100% not physically connected. seperate units.	[20:12]
fractal	Luke-Jr: but of course, you didnt do your research before spitting out falsehoods	[20:13]
Luke-Jr	fractal: I encourged wizkid057 to reinstate namecoin merged mining when a new development team stepped forward and took it forward with Namecoin-Qt	[20:13]
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Duffer1	nubbins' did you ever play anarchy online under that name?	[20:13]
fractal	Luke-Jr: all i see from you is hypocrisy after hypocrisy....	[20:13]
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Luke-Jr	fractal: all I see from you is trolling after trolling	[20:14]
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nubbins`	okay, well, i see ~500GH/s and ~267W. As long as EVERYONE who ordered the "400 gigahash mining unit" receives a 400 and a 25, the bet is an obvious YES. If not everyone receives a 400 and a 25, the bet is an obvious NO.	[20:14]
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ClivePalmer	oh penis	[20:14]
nubbins`	If not everyone receives a 400 plus a 25, then you can't call the 400+25 a "unit"	[20:14]
fractal	nubbins`: correct, although I don't know if they're physically connected ----- don't you think it would be important to find this out before drawing a conclution?	[20:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.0011 = 0.011 BTC [+]	[20:14]
ClivePalmer	tat save me sooooome	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 200 @ 0.0011 = 0.22 BTC [+]	[20:14]
fractal	nubbins`: but they didn't get a 400Gh unit.	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 140 @ 0.0011 = 0.154 BTC [+]	[20:14]
Luke-Jr	fractal: no, because it is irrelevant	[20:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 363 @ 0.003982 = 1.4455 BTC [+]	[20:14]
fractal	nubbins`: no 400Gh unit exists.	[20:15]
nubbins`	put it in a larger case, it's a "unit". you're being pedantic	[20:15]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: some actually got a single board that does 400 Gh/s	[20:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 38 @ 0.003982 = 0.1513 BTC [+]	[20:15]
fractal	nubbins`: it still missed performance specs, which is what the bet specifically states...	[20:15]
fractal	nubbins`: 400Gh in a single unit	[20:15]
fractal	you can't tape 2 together	[20:15]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: did 5 "Respected members" get them, like the bet says?	[20:15]
fractal	or put 2 in a box	[20:15]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 38 @ 0.003981 = 0.1513 BTC [-]	[20:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 47 @ 0.003982 = 0.1872 BTC [+]	[20:16]
fractal	nubbins`: no single user who ordered 400Gh unit posted receiving more hardware	[20:16]
fractal	nubbins`: only 1 guy who ordered 2 units and got an extra h-card	[20:16]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: I presume, considering bitbet ruled it "yes"	[20:16]
fractal	but noone who ordered a 400Gh unit only got more then 400Gh	[20:16]
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fractal	either way, Luke-Jr's hypocrisy and corruption by money for mining namecoin.... should be taken into account when he tries to define what a UNIT is	[20:17]
Luke-Jr	I'm not trying to define a unit.	[20:18]
nubbins`	oh, so the guy who got 500GH/s and 267W actually ordered and received a 400GH unit and a 25GH unit, and then just pretended they were collectively a 400GH/s unit?	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	><	[20:18]
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Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu already did that	[20:18]
Luke-Jr	and he was the judge, so it's his perrogative to do so	[20:18]
nubbins`	i'm mildly surprised you guys can't come to an agreement on this between yourselves	[20:19]
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mircea_popescu	im not the judge. the closest approximation would be i am the minister of justice.	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	i might intervene in cases where judges are drunk	[20:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 4 @ 0.01209 = 0.0484 BTC [-]	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	i won't intervene in cases where one party is pissed off with the judge's ruling.	[20:19]
Luke-Jr	mircea_popescu: well, someone made the call that the bet's outcome was "yes"; that's a judgement.	[20:19]
nubbins`	heheh	[20:19]
nubbins`	they "substantially delivered" on the word "must"?	[20:20]
nubbins`	lel	[20:20]
fractal	nubbins`: yeah,... substantiall delivered != delivered	[20:20]
fractal	its mind blowing.	[20:20]
nubbins`	to be fair, i only started learning english as an infant, but i'm pretty sure the word "must" is an absolute	[20:20]
fractal	nubbins`: why, sir, I would say you are correct.	[20:21]
nubbins`	i would say you press enter too frequently	[20:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` what of the sentence "you must bring a cup of coffee"	[20:21]
fractal	pankkake gets so mad at this thread. love to see his posts... also proves he doesn't have me on ignore.... lol.	[20:21]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: suppose i bring you a bowl of coffee instead?	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	suppose the cup is half full.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	has the absolute been satisfied ?	[20:22]
nubbins`	suppose it's a cup of piss	[20:22]
nubbins`	yes, as you didn't state how full the cup should be	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	well but it's an absolute!	[20:22]
nubbins`	yes, so any cup of coffee, no matter how vague, will do	[20:23]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: the bet didn't state how many boards the unit must be	[20:23]
fractal	Luke-Jr: yes it did	[20:23]
deizel	"you must bring a single cup of coffee containing 400ml" would be a better analogy	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's the problem with absolutes.	[20:23]
nubbins`	however, if you request 500ml of coffee at 90C, and I bring 437ml of coffee at 45C...	[20:23]
nubbins`	then i've obviously not delivered on your absolute	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	deizel wasn't making an analogy for the bet, was simply verifying the properties of must.	[20:24]
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Luke-Jr	nubbins`: in this case, they brought 500ml of coffee at 90C in a bigger cup	[20:24]
fractal	Luke-Jr: It says the 400Gh unit must meet advertised performance.... it was advertised at 1-Mboard, 1-Rpi with 16 H-cards....... you're totally wrong and out of your league here... please READ	[20:24]
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deizel	it's still absolute	[20:24]
fractal	No, in this case, they brought 2 cups of coffe, because they didn't make 1 cup big enough	[20:24]
fractal	I wanted 400ml in 1 cup	[20:24]
mircea_popescu	it is still absolute, but that doesn't mean absolutely anything someone wants it to mean.	[20:24]
Luke-Jr	fine, 500ml of 90C coffee in 2 cups	[20:24]
fractal	I got 400ml in 2 cups....	[20:24]
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fractal	the bet is a no	[20:25]
nubbins`	this guy MXRider even says: "Some info and pictures of my units: 400GH unit and 25GH unit."	[20:25]
fractal	I want my coffee in 1 CUP	[20:25]
nubbins`	obviously 2 separate units	[20:25]
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deizel	you either absolutely brought a cup of coffee or a cup of containing 400ml of coffee.. its all depends on the wording of the initial demand	[20:25]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: only the judge of the bet has any authority to interpret the bet in this case	[20:25]
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nubbins`	Luke-Jr: all have authority to interpret. few have authority to pass judgment	[20:25]
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fractal	Bunnyh: yes.... of course its 2 seperate units... Luke-Jr doesn't understand what a unit is....	[20:25]
fractal	Luke-Jr decided not to read anything and jumped to conclusions	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	fractal need you a link to the earlier discussion of laptops ?	[20:26]
fractal	mp: you asked for 1 cup with 400ML coffee in it.... you got 2 cups with 250ML in each one..... the request was not met.	[20:26]
fractal	you only want to carry around 1 cup, not 2 cups	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	well i asked for nothing, myself.	[20:26]
deizel	so, "Coffee must meet advertised capacity (400ml per cup)" and I give you two cups, each with less than 400ml...	[20:27]
fractal	mp: thats the perfect anaology	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	im just sitting here and partaking in the lively debate of shit that actually matters.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	this is the aborted rota part 2, basically.	[20:27]
nubbins`	see, if the manufacturer had taped both units inside a shoebox, he could get away with calling two separate units a single unit. but he didn't. the guy who received the units said "here are my two units", and then just pretended that the two separate units were in fact collectively the smaller unit	[20:27]
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fractal	deizel: yes... correct.... mp, luke-jr, and other bitbet shills were paid off by Anduck and the yes betters... .which is why they'll disagree with you and the facts	[20:27]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` im sure at some point they were somehow packaged together. seems a weird way to go about it.	[20:27]
Luke-Jr	I didn't even know who the yes betters were until just now	[20:27]
Luke-Jr	and lol @ me being a bitbet shill	[20:28]
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fractal	nubbins`: thats exactly correct. your ability to draw logic is very good	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	fractal dude get away. it's ridiculous, anduck is this kid.	[20:28]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: well, what do you suppose was on the shipping waybill? one item or two?	[20:28]
nubbins`	fractal: math degree	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i have no idea, but i think it's a ridiculous criteria.	[20:28]
fractal	"the guy who received the units said "here are my two units", and then just pretended that the two separate units were in fact collectively the smaller unit" <--- this	[20:28]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: the whole thing is ridiculous	[20:28]
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mircea_popescu	i wonder if the rabinical council of lvov ever saw such heartfelt contention !	[20:29]
fractal	mp: maybe if the bet was a NO , as it should have been, then there wouldn't be any issues	[20:29]
nubbins`	<3	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	fractal there'd have been a number of issues still, yes.	[20:29]
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fractal	mp: why? nobody on the yes side would have complained, because not all clauses were met....	[20:29]
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Luke-Jr	number of boards was not a clause	[20:30]
nubbins`	I'm gonna introduce a bet that Apple makes a dual-screen laptop in 2013, and then i'm going to order a macbook and an iPhone, and claim that when they both show up, it's a dual-screen laptop	[20:30]
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nubbins`	because hey	[20:30]
nubbins`	who cares that they were sold as discrete units	[20:30]
Bunnyh	fractal: ok, though i don't remember saying anything here :P	[20:30]
nubbins`	i own both	[20:30]
Bunnyh	well, maybe yesterday. this conversation looks familiar !	[20:30]
nubbins`	and therefore can call the macbook+phone combo "a macbook"	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	lol. nubbins` would you return a laptop because it comes with a power brick and you ordered ONE unit ?	[20:31]
nubbins`	i mean, the bet says the macbook must have 2 screens, and see? two screens	[20:31]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: but these WEREN'T sold as discrete units	[20:31]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i'm greedy, i don't return free things	[20:32]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: there seems to be a lot of confusion around that point	[20:32]
mircea_popescu	ya well.	[20:32]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: nor is "unit" a trademark - it's an English word that can apply to collectives	[20:32]
Luke-Jr	while Apple can define "macbook" because it is their trademark, English words are completely in the judge's discretion	[20:32]
fractal_	Luke-Jr: not in this case -- the language dicatates that a unit is self-contained miner, not a collection of miners, due to it being advertsied as such	[20:33]
fractal_	so, sorry.	[20:33]
nubbins`	can i just get a clear answer on one thing: are people who ordered the "400 gigahash mining unit" receiving 400GH/s+ at 400W, regardless of the form it takes?	[20:34]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` yeah they did.	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	it was about 290w or something like that,	[20:34]
nubbins`	any arguments to the contrary?	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	and as far as anyone kniows they'll get refurbished later to double performance or some shit	[20:34]
nubbins`	well, refurbs aren't relevant to this bet, although that'd be great news for the owners	[20:35]
nubbins`	okay, so everyone seems to have gone silent, which i guess means that people who ordered "400 gigahash mining units" received 400GH/s+ at <= 400W	[20:35]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02049 BTC [+]	[20:35]
nubbins`	so what's the big fucking problem?	[20:35]
nubbins`	or are we just flapping our gums at each other	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	it wasn't packed right, basically.	[20:36]
nubbins`	lel	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	which has some merits, but how far are you going to go.	[20:36]
nubbins`	cry me a river	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	eventually someone in samoa is going to say some miner is not according to obscure samoan law thus undelivered thus bet is a clear no.	[20:36]
mircea_popescu	and i'm looking at you jcpham	[20:36]
fractal_	the bet specifically states that the form of the 400Gh must be in a single unit. It is not. they missed on performance. the bet is therefore a no.	[20:37]
nubbins`	no it doesn't	[20:37]
nubbins`	quote the part where it says that	[20:37]
fractal_	400Gh UNIT 400W	[20:37]
fractal_	unit == 1 miner	[20:37]
fractal_	as advertised	[20:38]
nubbins`	sorry, no	[20:38]
fractal_	http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/ this is what the 400Gh UNIT was advertsied as	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 13 @ 0.00111707 = 0.0145 BTC [+]	[20:38]
fractal_	this unit, as advertised, did not meet performance specs	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 25 @ 0.00111968 = 0.028 BTC [+]	[20:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1462 @ 0.0011197 = 1.637 BTC [+]	[20:38]
nubbins`	when you get a big mac combo, is it not a meal because it's not all smashed together?	[20:38]
fractal_	nubbins: if the bet says you must get 400ml of coffee in your cup, and you get 2 cups with 500ml, they bet is a no.	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 18 @ 0.0011197 = 0.0202 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 88 @ 0.0011199 = 0.0986 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.105 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.00112 = 0.112 BTC [+]	[20:39]
nubbins`	but the bet doesn't say "in your cup"	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.00112 = 0.0112 BTC [+]	[20:39]
nubbins`	it just states an amount of coffee	[20:39]
fractal_	400ML in a cup @ 140degrees F	[20:39]
fractal_	400Gh UNIT	[20:39]
Duffer1	ThickAsThieves if I buy one xbond will that allow me to buy as many pre-ipvo shares as I can get my hands on, or do I have to redeem 1 xbond per neobee?	[20:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3 @ 0.00021999 = 0.0007 BTC [+]	[20:39]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 104 @ 0.02049 = 2.131 BTC [+]	[20:39]
fractal_	the word unit is specifically written there	[20:39]
nubbins`	yeah, you keep saying the word unit	[20:39]
fractal_	and a unit is advertised here http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/	[20:40]
fractal_	this unit, as advertised, doesn't do 400Gh	[20:40]
fractal_	the bet required the hardware to meet performance as advertised. it didn't	[20:40]
nubbins`	i thought you had a valid beef, but you're just squabbling over semantics because you lost money	[20:40]
nubbins`	grow up	[20:40]
nubbins`	lel @ fractal sobbing over a free upgrade	[20:40]
fractal_	its not semantics, its actual logical language	[20:40]
fractal_	the joke isn't on me, its on everyone disagreeing	[20:41]
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fractal_	the fact is that the language , as written, requires a 400Gh UNIT to exist	[20:41]
fractal_	as advertised	[20:41]
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nubbins`	i renovated my bathroom last month, and i purchased a new shower unit	[20:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 10 @ 0.01209 = 0.1209 BTC [-]	[20:42]
nubbins`	(no joke)	[20:42]
nubbins`	the unit consisted of a tub and a tub surround	[20:42]
nubbins`	sometimes "units" have more than one item	[20:42]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` how much is anduck paying you btw ?	[20:43]
fractal_	nubbins`: then that is the unit as advertised..... the unit as advertised here was 1M-board, 1R-pi, and 16 H-cards	[20:43]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: i can get paid to do this??!?!	[20:43]
nubbins`	jesus	[20:44]
fractal_	i dare you to come in here every day and complain. <--- challenge accepted	[20:44]
nubbins`	talk about a wasted life	[20:44]
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pankkake	nubbins`: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=240677.0 received zero valid offers, so my guess is no, you can't	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i hear there's a ~5btc budget.	[20:44]
nubbins`	pretty deep pockets for ~11BTC in losing bets	[20:45]
mircea_popescu	it's in the scrollback.	[20:45]
nubbins`	anyway, a "unit" is obviously whatever they're selling as "a unit"	[20:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 6 @ 0.000581 = 0.0035 BTC [+]	[20:46]
nubbins`	if they want to include a free baseball card, well, each unit comes with a baseball card	[20:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 50 @ 0.00113998 = 0.057 BTC [+]	[20:46]
fractal_	nubbins`: and this is what they're selling as a unit --> http://www.bitfurystrikesback.com/product/400gh-miner-october-2013/	[20:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 10 @ 0.00114 = 0.0114 BTC [+]	[20:47]
fractal_	nubbins`: according to bitbet rules, the timestamp of the bet is what is advertsied -- it can't be changed after the fact.	[20:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 21 @ 0.00058 = 0.0122 BTC [-]	[20:47]
fractal_	so adding more hardware doesn't apply	[20:47]
nubbins`	you make a convincing argument, but the bet doesn't mention anything about the components included	[20:48]
nubbins`	it only mentions performance, which was delivered upon	[20:48]
nubbins`	whoever made the bet should have been more specific, i guess	[20:48]
fractal_	nubbins`: it wasn't though. the 400Gh unit , as advertised, only does 365Gh.	[20:48]
fractal_	that they shipped more hardware is irrelevant	[20:48]
fractal_	i placed the bet because i didn't think the hardware was going to perform as advertised -- and it didn't	[20:49]
fractal_	i got robbed	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003804 = 0.038 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 258 @ 0.003803 = 0.9812 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 338 @ 0.003801 = 1.2847 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 94 @ 0.0038 = 0.3572 BTC [-]	[20:49]
nubbins`	well, it's relevant in that they delivered on all specs that were in the bet	[20:49]
fractal_	no they didn't	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	if indeed that's the case you'd have been much better served by making a "The Bitfury strikes back 400gh/s unit will not exist as the 16 boards together will hash under 400gh/s"	[20:49]
fractal_	the 400Gh unit wasn't 400Gh	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 377 @ 0.003804 = 1.4341 BTC [+]	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 258 @ 0.003803 = 0.9812 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 1251 @ 0.0038 = 4.7538 BTC [-]	[20:49]
nubbins`	you didn't get robbed, you misjudged their ability to deliver a certain GH/s for a certain W	[20:50]
fractal_	mp: i should have done that in hindsight , of course	[20:50]
fractal_	nubbins`: no, i was correct in that the 400Gh unit would not hash at 400Gh	[20:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 13 @ 0.003787 = 0.0492 BTC [-]	[20:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 52 @ 0.003786 = 0.1969 BTC [-]	[20:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 27 @ 0.003781 = 0.1021 BTC [-]	[20:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 22 @ 0.00378 = 0.0832 BTC [-]	[20:50]
nubbins`	no, you weren't	[20:50]
fractal_	which was a performance requirement	[20:50]
nubbins`	that's what i'm saying	[20:50]
mircea_popescu	this is imo the most important takeaway here : rather than hang your bet on some technicality, just make a new one in which your point of interest is substantially the bet.	[20:50]
fractal_	i was. thats what im saying	[20:50]
nubbins`	yeah	[20:51]
fractal_	the unit must be > 400Gh, and < 400W.. the unit did not meet this performance spec	[20:51]
fractal_	the bet is therefore a no	[20:51]
nubbins`	really poorly worded bet was the root of all this trouble	[20:51]
nubbins`	if you lost money because you bet on a poorly worded bet, well, nobody feels sorry for you	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` they're always and perpetually going to be poorly worded.	[20:51]
fractal_	yes, i would agree that the bullshit bet was poorly worded bullshit and i shouldn't have bet	[20:51]
mircea_popescu	this because reality surprises, which is a good thing overall.	[20:51]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: and so forever, nobody will weep for those who lost	[20:51]
fractal_	if i knew that the decider was going to not follow logic	[20:51]
nubbins`	i'm ok with this	[20:51]
nubbins`	no, everyone is following logic	[20:52]
nubbins`	you're just being fussy	[20:52]
nubbins`	you'll never admit it, but you are	[20:52]
fractal_	theres no room for substantially delivered == delivered	[20:52]
fractal_	theres either true or false	[20:52]
fractal_	substantially delivered != delivered	[20:52]
mircea_popescu	are you tall or s hort ?	[20:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.172 BTC [-]	[20:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.172 = 4.344 BTC [-]	[20:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.171 BTC [-]	[20:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.142 BTC [-]	[20:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.141 = 4.282 BTC [-]	[20:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.136 BTC [-]	[20:53]
fractal_	ok i gotta run	[20:53]
nubbins`	i agree there, substantially != absolutely	[20:53]
nubbins`	however	[20:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 2.136 = 4.272 BTC [-]	[20:53]
nubbins`	the word "substantially" doesn't even belong there	[20:53]
nubbins`	the bet was delivered upon, full stop	[20:53]
fractal_	no. it wasn't.	[20:53]
nubbins`	any issues, get some tissues	[20:53]
fractal_	well the issue is fraud	[20:53]
nubbins`	i thought you had to run	[20:53]
fractal_	so its not tissues, its an aweareness campaign for people to stay away from BitBet	[20:54]
nubbins`	fraud! lel	[20:54]
nubbins`	it's an awareness campaign to stay away from anything you're involved in	[20:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 4 @ 0.002469 = 0.0099 BTC [+]	[20:54]
pankkake	"Will MT. GOX be trading Litecoin as a currency before the end of 2013? " why was this rejected? I don't how it is unverifiable	[20:54]
fractal_	only fools grab tissues	[20:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00088745 = 4.6147 BTC [-]	[20:54]
nubbins`	people already stay away from bitbet	[20:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [MININGCO.ETF] 2 @ 0.1036 = 0.2072 BTC [-]	[20:54]
fractal_	pankkake: because you're an idiot	[20:54]
fractal_	nubbins`: obviously not enough of they stay away	[20:55]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake basically someone knows how it will come out	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	you can't bet on shit lioke that.	[20:55]
fractal_	mp: pankkake isn't very smart, and wants to add more bad bets to bitbet, so that there are more problems like the one that just happened with bitfury....	[20:55]
nubbins`	name calling isn't nice	[20:56]
fractal_	so he can troll on the forums when the bet gets disputed	[20:56]
fractal_	nubbins`: tell that to Luke-Jr , who called me a theif.	[20:56]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: calling names isn't nice	[20:56]
nubbins`	...	[20:56]
fractal_	hahaha thanks	[20:56]
nubbins`	always the voice of reason	[20:56]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: that's not a name, it's a noun	[20:56]
pankkake	mircea_popescu: what do you mean, someone at mtgox knows? does it matter?	[20:56]
fractal_	at least you're neutral	[20:56]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: it's not even a word	[20:57]
Luke-Jr	nubbins`: the misspelling was fractal_'s	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	pankkake well to me it reads like a variant of "I will publish the number 15 on my website by end of year".	[20:57]
nubbins`	I before E except after C	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	why's this even a bet ?	[20:57]
nubbins`	and except after all those other instances	[20:57]
nubbins`	Luke-Jr: i figured ;(	[20:57]
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pankkake	well it's more than that, it's actually having the possibility to buy litecoins with it	[20:58]
nubbins`	add something about volume to the wording	[20:58]
fractal_	nubbins`: Luke-Jr is quite the hypocrite, pull up logs from 2 months ago regarding him and namecoin, you'll see he became corrupted by money.... very sad from someone who preaches about morals all day.	[20:58]
nubbins`	gox will have a daily volume of xyz in LTC by the end of 2013	[20:58]
fractal_	Luke-Jr likes to pass judgement on others, but ignores his own sings	[20:59]
Luke-Jr	pankkake: Try "Will someone successfully obtain fiat currency in a traditional bank transferred from MtGox, from selling Litecoins on MtGox, before 2014?"	[20:59]
fractal_	sins	[20:59]
nubbins`	fractal_: i don't care and that's not relevant. who taught you how to argue?	[20:59]
Luke-Jr	fractal_: as I already said, Namecoin changed	[20:59]
fractal_	i'm l33t. im a layw3r	[20:59]
nubbins`	i don't give a red fuck if someone's "corrupted by money" or what their morals are	[20:59]
fractal_	Luke-Jr: the blockchain data didn't	[20:59]
pankkake	Luke-Jr: that's better, but then no one will bet on that :p	[20:59]
Luke-Jr	fractal_: you're assuming we store it	[21:00]
fractal_	nubbins`: yes, but Luke-Jr cares, because he passes judgement on others and ignores his own sins....	[21:00]
nubbins`	fractal_: okay, lovely, but why do you tell me this?	[21:00]
fractal_	i'd suggest that Luke-Jr pray forgiveness for his sins before passing judgement on others	[21:00]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i made the mistake of querying the mod that did it. here you go : "because wtf is mtgox already! look they've been announcing ltc for like a year. it's a dying dog saying it's going to start eating rabbits, i'm not taking bets on whether it actually does. besides, they're a known group of scammers and liars, what's to keep them from fronting ltc trades? and then obviously even if they did manage to implement t	[21:01]
mircea_popescu	he thing, "you can only trade with an anal probe" well is it implemented or not?"	[21:01]
fractal_	gotta run... we'll have to continue the trollfest later....	[21:01]
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nubbins`	no, don't go	[21:01]
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pankkake	lol	[21:01]
nubbins`	honestly, young adults these days	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	mostly to put things in perspective.	[21:02]
mircea_popescu	the amount of sheer psychotic paranoia on the part of bitbet mods is quite the thing to gaze upon	[21:02]
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mircea_popescu	and yet...	[21:02]
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nubbins`	nubbins`: yes, but Luke-Jr cares, because he passes judgement on others and ignores his own sins....	[21:05]
nubbins`	lel	[21:05]
nubbins`	as if we're supposed to gasp and point	[21:05]
nubbins`	smash a stone tablet or something	[21:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 155 @ 0.00114 = 0.1767 BTC [+]	[21:10]
nubbins`	man, deal coin is all over the place	[21:12]
nubbins`	it's gotta suck to buy ipo shares and see them being traded at 0.6x par three days later	[21:13]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i think it's a good lesson really.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	it's one thing for all the pro conment to be startying "asic miners"	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	it's another for every two bit kid with a modem to be doing the same.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	at least this way they learn they have to take losses in the process.	[21:14]
nubbins`	well, i'm not sure how much learning takes place	[21:15]
benkay	infinite idiots problem	[21:16]
nubbins`	i've got some ideas about an e-ink based hardware wallet that i haven't fully thought through, maybe i could collect 600 BTC in an ipo as well	[21:17]
nubbins`	spend 20 minutes making a website	[21:17]
nubbins`	geocities is gone, right?	[21:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.002469 BTC [+]	[21:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00088589 = 2.6577 BTC [-]	[21:18]
jcpham	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289508.0	[21:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.MINIGAME] 3 @ 0.000243 = 0.0007 BTC [+]	[21:19]
ozbot	Using the Kobo Mini eReader as a dynamic (BIP0032) Bitcoin tip jar	[21:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 3 @ 0.000645 = 0.0019 BTC [+]	[21:20]
nubbins`	yeah, just saw that, coincidentally	[21:20]
nubbins`	but those e-ink displays are cheap	[21:20]
nubbins`	CHEAP	[21:20]
benkay	nubbins`: https://neocities.org/	[21:21]
nubbins`	and you could make hardware wallets WAY less complicated than the trezor	[21:21]
nubbins`	no need for usb cables or any of that risky shit	[21:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 12 @ 0.000561 = 0.0067 BTC [-]	[21:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 10 @ 0.00056 = 0.0056 BTC [-]	[21:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 80 @ 0.000551 = 0.0441 BTC [-]	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i can see collecting a few hundred btc for making a hardware wallet if you can convince you know wtf you're doing.	[21:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.000516 BTC [-]	[21:26]
nubbins`	oh, i've got it all figured out, and it's brilliantly simple. i just don't have any contacts with the hardware know-how.	[21:26]
nubbins`	it's so simple that i'm surprised it hasn't been done already	[21:26]
nubbins`	and instead people are fucking with usb cables	[21:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.SELLING] 101 @ 0.009884 = 0.9983 BTC [+]	[21:27]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 101 @ 0.00241 = 0.2434 BTC [-]	[21:28]
nubbins`	problem is, you try to IPO the idea, and someone with hardware know-how just implements the idea before you get everything in place	[21:28]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 101 @ 0.01209 = 1.2211 BTC [-]	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	perhaps.	[21:30]
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mircea_popescu	so find someone with the hardware know how to help you and ipo after.	[21:30]
nubbins`	yeah, you'd have a hard time convincing someone with the know-how to get on board without already being stacked with cash	[21:31]
mircea_popescu	this is where your own personal credentials get to play.	[21:32]
nubbins`	well, easy for you to say	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[21:32]
nubbins`	lel	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	but someone earlier was like they don't care about respek	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	well... it matters, at the very least because it resolves this catch 22 situation.	[21:33]
nubbins`	anyway, it could just as easily be implemented in a static web page with a couple lines of javascript	[21:33]
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nubbins`	it's just that having a hardware version would be cute	[21:33]
nubbins`	and we know how people feel about cute things	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	talk to a chinese vibrator manufacturer then	[21:33]
nubbins`	besides, you can't fit a smartphone on your keychain	[21:34]
nubbins`	cheapie e-ink displays, on the other hand	[21:34]
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nubbins`	supermarkets are already using them for live-updated price tags on shelves	[21:35]
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nubbins`	the beauty is that they don't even need any sort of net connectivity	[21:35]
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nubbins`	no physical connectivity at all, aside from your own PC at home	[21:36]
benkay	mircea_popescu: browser as universal runtime	[21:37]
benkay	mircea_popescu: COME ON	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	no.	[21:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.02025 = 0.2025 BTC [+]	[21:37]
benkay	5 dollar roll-to-roll printed smart phones are coming (eventually)	[21:38]
benkay	javascript and html can be super light if done correctly	[21:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 10 @ 0.02025 = 0.2025 BTC [+]	[21:39]
nubbins`	even a web browser is pretty heavy for this sort of thing	[21:39]
nubbins`	all you really need is the ability to display images and do some math	[21:39]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` he was referencing some earlier discussion	[21:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 13 @ 0.001145 = 0.0149 BTC [+]	[21:40]
nubbins`	you mean it's not all about me? ;p	[21:40]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:43]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.1094 = 0.6564 BTC [+]	[21:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 31 @ 0.1095 = 3.3945 BTC [+]	[21:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.11 = 1.1 BTC [+]	[21:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1122 = 0.2244 BTC [+]	[21:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.1188 = 0.2376 BTC [+]	[21:45]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.197 BTC [+]	[21:49]
pankkake	http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-09-07/exactly-i-warned-cyprusization-goes-mainstream-ireland-tap-next-citizen-fund-	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	spain or italy next ?	[21:52]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 20 @ 0.003962 = 0.0792 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003963 = 0.0396 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 10 @ 0.003965 = 0.0397 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 372 @ 0.003974 = 1.4783 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 372 @ 0.003976 = 1.4791 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 363 @ 0.003989 = 1.448 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 250 @ 0.00399 = 0.9975 BTC [+]	[21:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 324 @ 0.003996 = 1.2947 BTC [+]	[21:56]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 283 @ 0.003996 = 1.1309 BTC [+]	[21:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 141 @ 0.003999 = 0.5639 BTC [+]	[21:57]
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Namworld	If they can get away with it somewhere, they'll start doing it elsewhere.	[22:01]
Namworld	and keep doing it more and more until they can no longer get away with it	[22:01]
mircea_popescu	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-09-04/poland-to-take-over-bonds-from-pension-funds-in-system-revamp.html	[22:02]
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mircea_popescu	there's a good example. the polish government just stole ~100bn dollars worth of private pensions	[22:02]
mircea_popescu	because people having their own private pensions makes it pretty impossible for the state flytrap to borrow as nobody credits them	[22:03]
Namworld	By my estimates, that should occur somewhere between people left with 5% of their wealth and people being officially enslaved.	[22:03]
Namworld	Like they need to borrow more. If they can't function without constantly borrowing more...	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	the best part ? "While the funds won’t be allowed to buy government bonds, they’ll be able to buy more corporate debt and will be freed from having to comply with performance benchmarks, according to comments from the labor and finance ministers."	[22:03]
mircea_popescu	so basically... now that it's state run it may be bankrupt.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	puts any sort of statal proceeding against the free world on the very uneasy footing of "we know you're thieves"	[22:04]
lolstate	!seen ThickAsThieves	[22:04]
lolstate	; seen ThickAsThieves	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	;;	[22:05]
lolstate	ta	[22:05]
lolstate	;;	[22:05]
lolstate	;; ThickAsThieves	[22:05]
gribble	Error: "ThickAsThieves" is not a valid command.	[22:05]
lolstate	;; seen ThickAsThieves	[22:05]
gribble	ThickAsThieves was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 11 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: all companies are a scam, cuz like 99% of them go out of business someday	[22:05]
Duffer1	hehe	[22:05]
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lolstate	Any thoughts on the Neo & Bee IPO?	[22:06]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003403 = 0.017 BTC [+]	[22:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 145 @ 0.003402 = 0.4933 BTC [-]	[22:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02099 BTC [+]	[22:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.237 BTC [+]	[22:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.237 BTC [+]	[22:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.238 BTC [+]	[22:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.238 BTC [+]	[22:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 2.239 BTC [+]	[22:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.105 = 0.315 BTC [-]	[22:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.09423 = 0.6596 BTC [-]	[22:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 22 @ 0.003995 = 0.0879 BTC [-]	[22:17]
nubbins`	anyone ever used alibaba?	[22:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ACTIVEMINING] 6 @ 0.003996 = 0.024 BTC [+]	[22:17]
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mircea_popescu	nope. it's a thing tho, like ebay.	[22:19]
mircea_popescu	perhaps with more scammers on.	[22:19]
nubbins`	yeah, just browsing now	[22:19]
nubbins`	i think with even low quantity (5-10k units) i can get these HW wallets made insanely cheap	[22:21]
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nubbins`	like retail for < 0.1 BTC	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	in the immortal words of jeff goldblum in the fly, "i'm more like a supply chain manager"	[22:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.09432 BTC [+]	[22:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 176 @ 0.00241 = 0.4242 BTC [-]	[22:23]
nubbins`	if you haven't seen a mutated, melting jeff goldblum whimpering "kill me", you haven't seen jeff goldblum	[22:24]
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nubbins`	anyway, time for a beach fire	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	"I farm bits and pieces out to the guys who are much more brilliant than I am. I say, "build me a laser", this. "Design me a molecular analyzer", that. They do, and I just stick 'em together. But, none of them know what the project really is. So..."	[22:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 5 @ 0.003477 = 0.0174 BTC [+]	[22:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 5 @ 0.001145 = 0.0057 BTC [+]	[22:31]
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benkay	i am very curious about those raw asic chips all over alibaba	[22:33]
benkay	data is hard to come by in the asic mining space.	[22:33]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 28 @ 0.003477 = 0.0974 BTC [+]	[22:37]
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jurov	i finally bought decent gpu.. not to mine but to play eve lmao	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 79 @ 0.01209 = 0.9551 BTC [-]	[22:56]
jurov	had only onboard radeon 55xx.. it was playable but reacted slowly, sucked at combat	[22:56]
jurov	with 7790 it's smooth at high setting	[22:56]
pankkake	did buying nvidia cross your mind? ;)	[22:58]
jurov	figured it would be easier to upgrade.. and what if i change my mind on mining? xD	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	lol	[22:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 10 @ 0.02042 = 0.2042 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02041 = 0.0816 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 22 @ 0.0204 = 0.4488 BTC [-]	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	i never used anything but nvidia.	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 2 @ 0.02026 = 0.0405 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 13 @ 0.02025 = 0.2633 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.0202 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 30 @ 0.02002 = 0.6006 BTC [-]	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	since about 1998 or so	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 38 @ 0.02002 = 0.7608 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.02001 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 100 @ 0.02 = 2 BTC [-]	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 4 @ 0.02 = 0.08 BTC [-]	[23:00]
pankkake	as it's a sunk cost, it would make sense to mine (unless electricity price is too high of course)	[23:00]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 1 @ 0.000642 BTC [+]	[23:00]
pankkake	I left nvidia as soon as I could (decent open source drivers)	[23:01]
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pankkake	that reminds me of https://www.fsf.org/photos/rms-sign.jpg	[23:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.00247 = 0.0049 BTC [+]	[23:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1 @ 0.001145 BTC [+]	[23:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 2 @ 0.00247 = 0.0049 BTC [+]	[23:05]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 1 @ 0.00247 BTC [+]	[23:05]
jurov	afaik the opensource ati driver is more advanced than nvidia	[23:05]
jurov	but maybe rms had in mind sometihng else	[23:05]
pankkake	well that's pretty normal. the ati one has paid amd devs behind it and they release specs	[23:05]
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pankkake	oh, that rms picture is very old	[23:06]
pankkake	things changed a lot since then	[23:06]
pankkake	nivida does not release code or specs	[23:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 497 @ 0.00247 = 1.2276 BTC [+]	[23:07]
pankkake	now it's http://www.geekosystem.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/v40g6.gif	[23:07]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i wonder if it was typeset with latex	[23:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 13 @ 0.00247 = 0.0321 BTC [+]	[23:08]
pankkake	why? :o	[23:08]
mircea_popescu	just so lol	[23:09]
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mircea_popescu	and for our daily plato read,	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	the earth, as being their mother, delivered them, and now, as if their land were their mother and their nurse, they ought to take thought for her and defend her against any attack, and regard the other citizens as their brothers and children of the self-same earth. . . While all of you, in the city, are brothers, we will say in our tale, yet god, in fashioning those of you who are fitted to hold rule, mingled gold in t	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	heir generation, for which reason they are the most precious — but in the helpers, silver, and iron and brass in the farmers and other craftsmen. And, as you are all akin, though for the most part you will breed after your kinds, it may sometimes happen that a golden father would beget a silver son, and that a golden offspring would come from a silver sire, and that the rest would, in like manner, be born of one anot	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	her. So that the first and chief injunction that the god lays upon the rulers is that of nothing else are they to be such careful guardians, and so intently observant as of the intermixture of these metals in the souls of their offspring, and if sons are born to them with an infusion of brass or iron they shall by no means give way to pity in their treatment of them, but shall assign to each the status due to his natur	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	e and thrust them out among the artisans or the farmers. And again, if from these there is born a son with unexpected gold or silver in his composition they shall honor such and bid them go up higher, some to the office of guardian, some to the assistanceship, alleging that there is an oracle that the city shall then be overthrown when the man of iron or brass is its guardian.	[23:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.0008012 BTC [-]	[23:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 53 @ 0.002479 = 0.1314 BTC [+]	[23:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 50 @ 0.002479 = 0.124 BTC [+]	[23:16]
jurov	now only if we had densitometer for characters	[23:16]
jurov	or densimeter	[23:18]
jurov	lol "dense character" would be a compliment in plato's eyes then	[23:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00088649 = 0.8865 BTC [+]	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	lol ya. "hey pal, you're fucken dense"	[23:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 96 @ 0.003478 = 0.3339 BTC [+]	[23:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 98 @ 0.003477 = 0.3407 BTC [-]	[23:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 652 @ 0.003479 = 2.2683 BTC [+]	[23:34]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [LABCOIN] 98 @ 0.003479 = 0.3409 BTC [+]	[23:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2250 @ 0.00088794 = 1.9979 BTC [+]	[23:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 100 @ 0.001145 = 0.1145 BTC [+]	[23:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 1 @ 0.01209 BTC [-]	[23:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.56 BTC [+]	[23:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.MINING] 5 @ 0.00248 = 0.0124 BTC [+]	[23:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [XBOND] 1185 @ 0.00114 = 1.3509 BTC [-]	[23:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [DMS.PURCHASE] 20 @ 0.01209 = 0.2418 BTC [-]	[23:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.VIRTUALMINE] 2 @ 0.000642 = 0.0013 BTC [+]	[23:59]

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