Forum logs for 07 Mar 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
EvanR BossKom: done [00:00]
Mad7Scientist sexlab.su sohuld work for you [00:00]
vragnaroda That makes no sense, ziglir. [00:00]
PatrickHarnett I think I've managed to id/register - it's not obvious [00:01]
* Mad7Scientist is away now [00:01]
nanotube ;;ident PatrickHarnett [00:01]
gribble Nick 'PatrickHarnett', with hostmask 'PatrickHarnett!cb4f5ec0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.79.94.192', is identified as user PatrickHarnett, with GPG key id 3DFE38199BDB9DAB, and key fingerprint 9FEF5C23D282C1BE268188103DFE38199BDB9DAB. [00:01]
imsaguy_mobile PatrickHarnett! [00:01]
nanotube yes you have [00:01]
imsaguy_mobile Welcome [00:01]
pirateat40 PatrickHarnett, WOOT [00:02]
pirateat40 The STAR is here [00:02]
copumpkin smickles: I posted about you in that thread, and he responded [00:02]
PatrickHarnett Thanks to INAU and a lot of trial and error [00:02]
imsaguy_mobile LOL [00:02]
copumpkin ;;rate PatrickHarnett 4 cool starfish, does a lot of lending on the forum [00:02]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 4 for user PatrickHarnett has been recorded. [00:02]
pirateat40 type ;;voiceme [00:02]
DeLorean731 wtf is this, starfish in otc [00:02]
DeLorean731 (: [00:02]
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PatrickHarnett ;;voiceme [00:03]
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ziglir vragnaroda: TH expected to be treated like any other merchant, and afforded the same dispute resolution services. that didn't happen - apparently dwolla had already given up on handlin bitcoin disputes in the usual way [00:03]
mircea_popescu so welcome to -otc patrickharnett [00:03]
pirateat40 WTH [00:03]
PatrickHarnett ?? don't know what that does - I need to do some more reading/research [00:03]
pirateat40 PatrickHarnett did it and mircea_popescu got it [00:03]
mircea_popescu get used to it :D [00:04]
pirateat40 lol [00:04]
pirateat40 Are you the same? [00:04]
imsaguy_mobile Voice requires 1 day [00:04]
mircea_popescu no we're not the same. [00:04]
mircea_popescu im cooler :D [00:04]
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vragnaroda No, it doesn't. :p [00:04]
pirateat40 lol [00:04]
imsaguy_mobile vragnaroda: op abuse! [00:04]
mircea_popescu what's voice do anyway [00:05]
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imsaguy_mobile :p [00:05]
ziglir if dwolla had some unstated policy discriminating againts virtual goods ,they shouldve made that exception clear before all the shit went down. otherwise, the service isn't what was advertised to merchants like th [00:05]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: it puts a pretty plus sign next to your nick ;) [00:05]
pirateat40 ;;ident pirateat40 [00:05]
gribble Nick 'pirateat40', with hostmask 'pirateat40!~pirateat4@unaffiliated/pirateat40', is identified as user pirateat40, with GPG key id 614DB74CFA5B357E, and key fingerprint 067508A49BBE0E8216A61A94614DB74CFA5B357E. [00:05]
ataranlen I guess Occulta isn't online ATM [00:05]
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pirateat40 ;;rate 5 Solid member with multiple transactions. [00:05]
vragnaroda ziglir: You're not making any sense. What you're claiming is *preferable* treatment to vendors selling digital goods. [00:05]
nanotube yes, seems like he's not on irc at the moment, ataranlen [00:05]
mircea_popescu i thought positive was bad. [00:05]
pirateat40 ;;rate 5 PatrickHarnett solid member with multiple transactions. [00:05]
ziglir no vragnaroda [00:06]
imsaguy_mobile LOL [00:06]
pirateat40 ;;rate PatrickHarnett 5 solid member with multiple transactions. [00:06]
a5m0 ;;getrating jaypetermm [00:06]
smickles copumpkin: shakaru and I are in communication w/ each other several times a day, i think he'll honor our arrangement when his gox account issues are settled. I'm sure that 10% of the sales of the bot will go to the people he owes, as for the other 90%, it was never his to begin with [00:06]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user PatrickHarnett has been recorded. [00:06]
pirateat40 ;;rate PatrickHarnett 5 Solid member with multiple transactions. [00:06]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user PatrickHarnett has changed from 5 to 5. [00:06]
pirateat40 Sorry i have been drinking [00:06]
imsaguy_mobile Little rusty pirateat40? [00:06]
rawrmage lol [00:06]
jcpham HA [00:06]
PatrickHarnett 11 am, lunch is on the horizon [00:06]
smickles copumpkin: i'm not exactly sure why he didn't mention that in his responce [00:06]
mircea_popescu so basically you're helping shakaru pay his debts smickles ? :D [00:06]
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imsaguy_mobile 4pm.. happy hour [00:07]
ziglir dwolla claimed to provide dispute resolution services according to some standard industry-accepted protocol - but secretly, this didn't apply to bitcoin. TH contracted for a service it never received - payment handling and dispute resolution [00:07]
smickles mircea_popescu: well, 10% was his cut for making the sales [00:07]
mircea_popescu what rum do you drink pirateat40 ? [00:07]
jcpham I like the kraken myself [00:07]
mircea_popescu a i see. well, let's hope this all works out then. [00:07]
mircea_popescu i just bought 7yo havabna club but am nonplussed. [00:07]
mircea_popescu i used to love centenario anejo especial in cr, but they don't seem to export it [00:07]
smickles I think the fact that he hasn't 'ran away' means that he's actually trying to pay his debts [00:08]
mircea_popescu it sure looks good, yes. [00:08]
pirateat40 mircea_popescu, no rum... that's for cheap pirates [00:08]
ziglir why would a digital goods company contract with a payment processor that exposed them to unlimited liability? if dwolla made clear bitcoins werent covered under their dispute procedure, then TH might've gone elsewhere [00:09]
* pirateat40 drinks Makers Mark Whisky [00:09]
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mircea_popescu i never got into whiskey [00:09]
jaypetermm ;;getrating jaypetermm [00:09]
mircea_popescu people's advice on bitcoin safety : [00:10]
mircea_popescu Here's my summary:1. Put all your coins in a new wallet that has never connected to the network [00:10]
mircea_popescu sometimes i wonder... [00:10]
a5m0 i wonder if there will ever be an address collision [00:11]
mircea_popescu i think if it happens [00:11]
ziglir dwolla ToS: "If you lose the dispute, Dwolla will remove the funds from your Account." except in TH's case, the disputes were never arbitrated. they simply automatically lost because of dwolla's unwritten policy against virtual goods [00:11]
mircea_popescu it will happen on vanity addresses first. [00:11]
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helo the chance is 1/2^160, right? [00:12]
ziglir dwolla doesn't go into detail about what it means to "lost a dispute", in which case, you fall back on generally accepted business practices - like credit cards, ACH, where there is some attempt to ascertain facts about the transaction in question [00:12]
imsaguy ;;rate PatrickHarnett 5 [00:12]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 5 for user PatrickHarnett has been recorded. [00:12]
mircea_popescu ฿18,006.31 [00:13]
mircea_popescu traded (53% hedged) [00:13]
mircea_popescu used to be 70 [00:13]
mircea_popescu then dropped to 35k the day of the heist. then 28. 24. now 18k. [00:13]
vragnaroda ::rate PatrickHarnett 4 Everyone else seems to be doing it. [00:13]
mircea_popescu zhou is unwinding nicely so far. [00:13]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: What do you mean? [00:13]
mircea_popescu bitcoinica publishes its past 24 hour total transactions [00:13]
mircea_popescu and it has been evaporating. the thing hasn't blown up yet, so im figuring it will be ok maybe. [00:14]
imsaguy PatrickHarnett, still here? [00:14]
imsaguy PatrickHarnett: do a /cs register PatrickHarnett [00:14]
rg /ns ? [00:14]
imsaguy err /ns [00:14]
imsaguy aye [00:14]
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DBordello Anybody have any 5870s for sale? I am looking for 3 [00:14]
pigeons no one expects the spanish inquisition, but no one expects to have $250K stolen either [00:15]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65989.0 jesus look at this thing. [00:15]
PatrickHarnett a what - which one [00:15]
mircea_popescu pigeons : the fact that he could unwind 80% of his volume means a lot, imo. [00:16]
mod6 well, anyone who starts hosting wallets or other such, aught to start thinking they're going to have it stolen, or it will get stolen. [00:16]
mod6 the security of the wallet and the wallet host are essential. [00:16]
mod6 as we've seen :) [00:16]
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imsaguy so, who's sending me $100 ppusd for a week? [00:17]
rg i can [00:17]
rg if dan wakes up [00:17]
imsaguy rg: ltns [00:18]
rg ive been here [00:18]
rg i dont know what youre talking about [00:18]
rg hehe [00:18]
imsaguy at like 3am [00:18]
rg i just only check in to say ;;ticker [00:18]
rg and asks [00:18]
rg during the day [00:18]
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jaypetermm anyone looking for 2-3k moneypak,amazon or PP................................................i am looking for BTC or LR [00:18]
ziglir the TH complaint includes negligence, breach of contract, etc [00:19]
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rg fuck i am still waiting for someone to show up here [00:21]
rg supposed to be here at 430 [00:21]
rg its 522 now [00:21]
danieldaniel vragnaroda: o.0 [00:21]
ziglir so you think dwolla was right to take those funds from TH, without notifying them, without doing any dispute resolution etc? [00:21]
vragnaroda I have no reason to believe that's what happened. I only have one side of the story with absolutely no evidence and no reason to trust TH and many reasons to distrust them. [00:22]
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vragnaroda rawrmage: You can stop now. ;) [00:23]
Pootles hello! [00:23]
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ziglir well even gox confirms that TH's system didn't report the chargebacks accurately [00:23]
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ziglir it seems odd that gox only had $5k in chargebacks, compared to $94k for TH. [00:23]
nanotube presumably gox had verification systems on their side as well, doing additional filtering. [00:24]
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ziglir or maybe they didn't actually reconcile all the chargebacks since it was never in the transaction statements.. [00:24]
vragnaroda Also, every claim I see of TH's about this is different. [00:24]
nanotube at any rate, let the lawyers sort it out. heh. [00:24]
vragnaroda nanotube: We can't do that. We're witch-hunting here! Lawyers care about shit like evidence and the law. [00:25]
ziglir they will. it will be settled without much hassle i think [00:25]
nanotube vragnaroda: lol [00:25]
neofutur http://www.betabeat.com/2012/03/06/dwolla-was-just-sued-by-bitcoiners-for-2-m/ [00:26]
nanotube neofutur: yea already under discussion :) [00:26]
neofutur have more details on mtgox/dwolla [00:26]
ziglir well either you think dwoll should be able to silently withdraw funds from your account, and reverse legal sales betwen you and your customers, or you dont [00:27]
neofutur "Now cancellations are shown properly in Dwolla’s export files and transactions do not just disappear without any trace anymore" [00:27]
torch130 hello [00:28]
mod6 ;; ticker [00:28]
gribble Best bid: 5.00002, Best ask: 5.00004, Bid-ask spread: 2.00000000001e-05, Last trade: 5.00002, 24 hour volume: 43916, 24 hour low: 4.9, 24 hour high: 5.05 [00:28]
jcpham any counter-surveillance ninja's in here? [00:28]
ziglir yeah, both gox and th say they had the same prob. i can see how some tx's might never have been reconciled properly [00:28]
jjjrmy-m_ you guys check the MtGox Trading Bot Chrome Extension? [00:28]
mod6 5 :) [00:28]
torch130 not me jc [00:28]
torch130 :) [00:28]
torch130 is anybody willing to help a newb out? [00:29]
jcpham whats up torch130 [00:29]
jjjrmy-m_ torch130: a noob to what? [00:29]
ziglir btw, this brings up a good niche - a payment processor that will actually handle disputes over virtual goods [00:29]
torch130 bitcoins [00:29]
torch130 lol [00:29]
vragnaroda ziglir: "Bob Smith stabbed Tom Jones 14 times in the chest." "I've caught Bill Lee lying before and his testimony is the only evidence." "Well, either you think murder is wrong or you don't." [00:29]
ziglir vragnaroda: is that supposed to be relevant [00:29]
vragnaroda Yes, it's called an analogy. [00:30]
nanotube ziglir: it's called "an analogy" :P [00:30]
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nanotube aw [00:30]
ziglir it's not an apt analogy. [00:30]
jcpham torch130 if you are interested in buying/selling bitcoin, please see ;;guide [00:30]
Raccoon $5.00!!! (屮゜Д゜)屮 [00:30]
torch130 i am trying to find someone that will exchange bitcoins for paypal [00:30]
ziglir the evidence of dissapearing transactions is confirmed by gox and th [00:30]
jcpham register with gribble, get auth'd - that is, if you are serious [00:31]
nanotube well, if you think about it, he's questioning the veracity of the accusations that dwolla actually did that. [00:31]
nanotube ziglir: ^ [00:31]
mcorlett torch130: ,,paypal [00:31]
gribble Many popular forms of payment, such as PayPal and credit cards, allow the sender to claw back the money via a 'chargeback'. This is very undesirable for the seller of bitcoins, so you'll often have trouble convincing people to trade on these. See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Payment_methods for comparison of payment methods. [00:31]
torch130 ?? [00:31]
ziglir anyway, we are speculating based on the differnet possible scenarios - one in which the claim is true or it isn't. this is conditional obviously [00:31]
torch130 ah [00:31]
mcorlett Would you like me to call you on Skype and read it aloud? [00:31]
torch130 :P [00:31]
nanotube ziglir: now, according to my hearsay evidence from back in the day :), i think they actually did do it. but... it is just hearsay, so let's let the courts figure it out with actual rules of evidence and stuff. [00:31]
nanotube mcorlett: yes please! >_> hehe [00:32]
vragnaroda ziglir: No, in that analogy, Tim Roberts (MtGox) knows that Bob Smith has a knife and will use it when cornered, but does not know that Bob Smith stabbed Tom Jones even once. [00:32]
jcpham torch130: step 1. establish an identity. step 2. gain trust step 3. pray to god someone trusts you enough for a paypal trade [00:32]
vragnaroda rawrmage: I'm about to /ignore rawrmage MSGS [00:32]
stochastic_ well they could not go through arbitration as Dwolla's TOS states "any purchase or transaction involving virtual currency or a virtual product is not eligible for a dispute or arbitration." [00:32]
jcpham vragnaroda is rawrmage sending you clopclop links too? [00:33]
torch130 yea i am part of an online community and the only person that mines bitcoins just stopped [00:33]
torch130 lol [00:33]
nanotube torch130: what community? [00:33]
torch130 opiophile.org [00:33]
vragnaroda stochastic_: Yes, but they are clearly disputed on Dwolla's end if TH's claims are to be believed. [00:33]
torch130 shroomery.org [00:33]
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torch130 lol [00:34]
jcpham we do not discuss drugs in here [00:34]
vragnaroda jcpham: No, he just did "/exec -msg yes pony" at me. [00:34]
torch130 im not [00:34]
vragnaroda jcpham: A casual mention is OK; just not prolonged discussion, advocacy, or trade. [00:34]
mcorlett jcpham: They're just magic mushrooms. That is all. [00:34]
jcpham i love them [00:34]
jcpham except i'm allergic [00:35]
torch130 that sucks [00:35]
ziglir nanotube: the central question is whether or not dwolla made good on its contract - which included a dispute resolution process [00:35]
neofutur mushrooms are legal in most countries afaik, but offtopic anyway :p [00:35]
nanotube yes, the problem is, their site docs keep changing over time. so what it says now is not necessarily what it said then. [00:35]
nanotube ziglir: ^ [00:35]
stochastic_ yea only litigation can solve this dispute [00:36]
ziglir if virtual goods were treated as always reversible, then they didn't provide that service to TH [00:36]
vragnaroda They've never claimed that they were irreversible. That would have been unlitigable anyway. [00:37]
mircea_popescu its akin to a promise sun won't shine. [00:37]
ziglir wat [00:37]
vragnaroda A contract to provide an unlawful service is not going to be enforced by any court you can find. [00:37]
mircea_popescu stronger than unlawful actually, seeing how reversibility doesn't rest entirely wioth dwolla [00:38]
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ziglir umm investigating disputes to see if they are legitimate sales or not - what dwolla promised to do - is not unlawful [00:38]
mircea_popescu ziglir : so they investigated. found they were not legitimate sales. problem ? [00:38]
mircea_popescu not like they really spelled out what "investigation" means. [00:39]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: Yes. Whether it's unlawful (break statutory or common law) or unlawful (breaks the natural laws of the universe), such a contract is unenforceable. [00:39]
mircea_popescu no argument on that. [00:39]
vragnaroda ziglir: When did Dwolla promise to do that? [00:39]
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ziglir dwolla doesn't have to pass chargebacks to the merchant. [00:40]
Staatsfeind lolwut [00:40]
ziglir so there's no law of nature saying that any chargeback at the payment origin is the merchant's loss [00:40]
mircea_popescu tha'ts complicated. [00:40]
jaypetermm anyone looking for 2-3k moneypak,amazon or PP................................................i am looking for BTC or LR [00:40]
jaypetermm offering 1 BTC = 5.23 $ [00:41]
Staatsfeind ziglir: you're saying they should just print the money? [00:41]
LupusY0nderboy HEy [00:41]
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ziglir mircea_popescu: the ToS doesn't spell out the resolution proces, so customarily you fall back on genreally accepted business practices - you can look at credit cards or ach protocols. they would have to show their process actually was a legitimate dispute investigation [00:42]
mircea_popescu tjat may be a step too far tho [00:42]
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Staatsfeind No. [00:43]
mircea_popescu this is all really very contentious stuff, i wouldn't bet too much on it. [00:43]
ziglir all they say is: "If you lose the dispute, Dwolla will remove the funds from your Account." that should be interpreted as being some kind of arbitration in which facts are gathered and one side wins or loses [00:43]
festool86 can somebody help me get some coin for a moneypak? [00:43]
mircea_popescu ;;ident festool86 [00:43]
gribble Nick 'festool86', with hostmask 'festool86!44306bea@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.48.107.234', is not identified. [00:43]
mircea_popescu start by identing. [00:44]
DBordello festool86, how big of a moneypak? [00:44]
ziglir they also have some duties as a money services company to not arbitrarily withdraw funds from someone's account [00:44]
festool86 $300 [00:44]
imsaguy ziglir: what makes you such a pro? [00:44]
mircea_popescu that's a dead lane ziglir, they didn't "arbitrarily" do it, they were chargeback'd [00:45]
ziglir mircea_popescu: the chargeback is a problem between dwolla and their bank. the merchant has no relationship to the entity doing the chargeback [00:45]
mircea_popescu ugh, [00:45]
stochastic_ expect that dwolla may stop working with bitcoin exchanges or severely limit them. [00:45]
mircea_popescu what ?! [00:45]
LupusY0nderboy Anyone need anything pen-tested? [00:46]
mircea_popescu if they have no relationship how they got paid in the first place ? [00:46]
pigeons pennies from heaven [00:46]
LupusY0nderboy Doing security auditing on a pro-bono basis. [00:46]
mircea_popescu ziglir has some very strange claims on his plate now and again. [00:46]
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Staatsfeind 17:45 < ziglir> | mircea_popescu: the chargeback is a problem between dwolla and their bank. the merchant has no relationship to the entity doing the chargeback <-- "The entity doing the chargeback" did not authorize money to be stolen from him. [00:47]
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ziglir the ToS spells out the conditions under which dwolla can remove funds: a) a user must file a Dispute b) the merchant must "lose" the dispute. since they don't spell out what it means to win or lose, the court will make its own interpretation baed on whats reasonable - that is what is industry practice. in a credit card chargeback, they have to ascertain if the sale was fraudulent or not, [00:47]
ziglir etc [00:47]
nagie $40 The Body Shop email gift card for sale for bitcoins open to offers [00:47]
LupusY0nderboy SO if you want anything looked at for security holes, yea, i will do it for free! [00:47]
Staatsfeind If TH's claiming "finder's keepers," fuck them. [00:47]
nanotube LupusY0nderboy: put your offer no the book :) [00:47]
imsaguy LupusY0nderboy, how am I to trust you won't disclose said hole to a 3rd party? [00:47]
Staatsfeind ziglir: That's Dwolla's dispute mechanism; if the dispute is handled by someone other than Dwolla, it's not their dispute resolution mechanism. [00:48]
mircea_popescu yes ziglir, why i said its a very contentious matter, and i wouldn't bet too much. [00:48]
festool86 $300 moneypak [00:48]
Staatsfeind If I buy something with PayPal, PayPal gives me 60 days to chargeback. [00:48]
mircea_popescu LupusY0nderboy : do my options page. [00:48]
nagie $40 The Body Shop email gift card for sale for bitcoins open to offers [00:48]
Staatsfeind If I buy something with PayPal and use my credit card for it, I can chargeback 180 days later. [00:48]
Staatsfeind That bypasses PayPal's dispute resolution. [00:49]
mircea_popescu depends on the card too [00:49]
mircea_popescu i think you can get even more [00:49]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: if it's issued in the U.S., it's at least 180 days. [00:49]
mircea_popescu at least being the key words [00:49]
rg im looking for a book [00:49]
rg can someone find it for me [00:49]
LupusY0nderboy nanotube, thanks for writing that letter for me! <3 [00:49]
LupusY0nderboy imsaguy, errr, what, like who? [00:49]
nanotube LupusY0nderboy: np :) [00:49]
ziglir bottom line: dwolla promised dispute arbitration (ie they would choose a winner and a loser). they have to prove that they actually faithfully executed on that promise. otherwise, a merchant who sells digital goods has unlimited liability [00:50]
LupusY0nderboy imsaguy, and if your site is public what's to stop a third party finding it? [00:50]
LupusY0nderboy nanotube, what do you mean by putting it in the book? :p [00:50]
Staatsfeind ziglir: No, they don't. [00:50]
mircea_popescu their position is that virtual goods are exactly that : unlimited liabiltity. [00:50]
nanotube LupusY0nderboy: see the ,,guide - otc has an order book and all. [00:50]
gribble Guide to using #bitcoin-otc: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc [00:50]
ziglir mircea_popescu: their position *now* excludes virtual goods. that wasn't the case before. they added that language to the ToS [00:50]
mircea_popescu well ya. underhanded, i agree, but... [00:51]
LupusY0nderboy imsaguy, i have already found holes in a few things which i'm in the process of helping getting fixed. [00:51]
LupusY0nderboy :) [00:51]
ziglir the law recognizes virtual property as being as legitimate as phys. property [00:51]
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rg i need 'essentials of corporate finance, 7th edition' [00:51]
imsaguy LupusY0nderboy, I ask my original question again.. why should I trust you? [00:51]
stochastic_ does their TOS state they can change their TOS whenever they want? [00:51]
LupusY0nderboy imsaguy, lol, fuck off. [00:51]
Staatsfeind Woohoo! I don't see any more snow on the ground. [00:52]
LupusY0nderboy I'm offering a service to help the community and if you're going to take that attitude, yea, don't bother me. [00:52]
mircea_popescu i imagine it does stochastic_ [00:52]
imsaguy ;;rated LupusY0nderboy [00:52]
gribble You have not yet rated user LupusY0nderboy [00:52]
LupusY0nderboy So, i reiterate, fuck off. [00:52]
imsaguy LupusY0nderboy, lol.. trust is important in here. [00:52]
imsaguy clearly you don't grasp that. [00:52]
plato are any precious metals sellers rated on otc? [00:52]
nanotube rg: you can get it for a couple bucks off amazon... [00:52]
LupusY0nderboy No. [00:52]
nanotube plato: mbs and coingenuity [00:52]
LupusY0nderboy I don't take kindly to someone acting like a prick when I offer to help them. [00:52]
rg nanotube: not an option [00:52]
rg i need it ebook [00:52]
mircea_popescu imsaguy : what's to trust ? if he finds your website and finds a hole w/o having an agreement he can still welch to a 3rd party. [00:52]
LupusY0nderboy "Have this cake starving man!" "HOW DO I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO POISON ME!" [00:52]
rg its like $200 [00:52]
plato tx nanotube [00:53]
imsaguy mircea_popescu: because presumably you'd take a different course of action with a pen tester [00:53]
LupusY0nderboy mircea_popescu, yea, if there are holes 3rd parties will find them jut not be as nice. ;p [00:53]
ziglir "you will be responsible for the amount of the payment sent by the sender, plus the applicable Fees if you lose a Claim or a Chargeback" <-- losing a "chargeback" has a very specific meaning under federal law. the process is alreayd defined. dwoll would have to prove they implemented that process, otherwise, they have no right to say that TH "lost" the chargeback [00:53]
nanotube rg: if you go for 6th edition, it's dirt cheap. do you /need/ 7th? [00:53]
mircea_popescu well maybe. still, if it's on the net pretty much everyone's a pen tester. [00:53]
torch130 if i go buy a money pak [00:53]
rg yeah [00:53]
rg the class is 7th edition [00:53]
torch130 i should be able to get some coin right? [00:53]
imsaguy mircea_popescu: then why advertise it? ;) [00:53]
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mircea_popescu that theory may stick in court ziglir. [00:53]
rg would be bad to learn off the wrong book [00:53]
rg ;) [00:53]
mircea_popescu or it may not. [00:53]
imsaguy just do it [00:53]
stochastic_ rg: what is the isbn? [00:54]
nanotube rg: ah ic. well the only difference is the problems at the back of the chapters have different numbers. the rest of the book is the same [00:54]
rg 0073382469 [00:54]
nanotube i mean, with really minor variations :) [00:54]
rg or 978-0073382463 [00:54]
LupusY0nderboy neofutur can probably vouch for me anyway [00:54]
imsaguy then register and get rated [00:54]
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imsaguy if you're so awesome, gpg should be easy. [00:55]
LupusY0nderboy I am registered [00:55]
imsaguy ;;ident LupusY0nderboy [00:55]
gribble Nick 'LupusY0nderboy', with hostmask 'LupusY0nderboy!~somebody@cpc19-aztw23-2-0-cust99.aztw.cable.virginmedia.com', is not identified. [00:55]
LupusY0nderboy And imsaguy, again, fuck you. [00:55]
imsaguy LupusY0nderboy, auth [00:55]
coingenuity i knew i liked you, LupusY0nderboy [00:55]
coingenuity lol [00:55]
LupusY0nderboy coingenuity, <3 [00:55]
coingenuity jkjk imsaguy [00:55]
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neofutur (00:52) < LupusY0nd> neofutur can probably vouch for me anyway [00:55]
coingenuity just poking my head in, /me vanishes [00:55]
imsaguy ;;rate coingenuity -1 :) [00:55]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -1 for user coingenuity has been recorded. [00:55]
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neofutur confirmed he already gave me some advices for my fork of simplecoin : https://github.com/neofutur/simplecoin [00:56]
Staatsfeind ziglir: There is no specific statutory or regulatory definition of 'chargeback' that requires a specific process generally. [00:56]
neofutur and have not defaced my website :p [00:56]
rg now this person isnt gonna be here til 7 [00:56]
rg fuck it [00:56]
neofutur even if I allowed him to break it if needed to find a security problem [00:57]
LupusY0nderboy ;;auth [00:57]
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LupusY0nderboy ;;auth Y0nderboy [00:58]
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LupusY0nderboy ;;auth LupusY0nderboy [00:58]
nanotube LupusY0nderboy: see ,,gpg doc for details on authentication here :) [00:58]
gribble Here are the instructions for authenticating with the bot using GPG: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication [00:58]
imsaguy heh [00:58]
plato Oh also, does anyone want to sell any namecoins [00:58]
imsaguy nanotube, he's leet [00:58]
LupusY0nderboy Wait, what did i auth with. [00:58]
imsaguy he don't need you [00:58]
plato i don't see any ont he order book [00:58]
LupusY0nderboy i was a bit fucked last night. [00:58]
LupusY0nderboy -.- [00:58]
rg i got ht 6th editon pdf [00:58]
nanotube ;;gpg info LupusY0nderboy [00:58]
festool86 $300 moneypak [00:58]
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John___ im new here and dont know how to go about this, so - I would like to buy 10 bitcoins with paypal. who can help me out? [00:59]
nanotube LupusY0nderboy: dunno i don't see a registration for you. [00:59]
LupusY0nderboy I do remember doing it last night [00:59]
nanotube John___: you'll have a tough time, see ,,paypal [00:59]
gribble Many popular forms of payment, such as PayPal and credit cards, allow the sender to claw back the money via a 'chargeback'. This is very undesirable for the seller of bitcoins, so you'll often have trouble convincing people to trade on these. See https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Payment_methods for comparison of payment methods. [00:59]
jcpham plato how many namecoins [00:59]
LupusY0nderboy and my chat logs from gribble say so, fuck knows i was a little bit wasted. ;) i will sort it out. [01:00]
nanotube imsaguy: :D [01:00]
imsaguy :) [01:00]
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neofutur LupusY0nderboy: anyway its true you d better gpg register and ident [01:02]
John___ thanks guys [01:03]
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plato jcpham: eh, couple thousand? [01:04]
jcpham sorry sir i only have a few hundred [01:04]
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plato i would still buy your couple hundred [01:04]
LupusY0nderboy neofutur, i know [01:04]
LupusY0nderboy I forgot my key. -.- [01:04]
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LupusY0nderboy lol, fuck doing things when not sober [01:05]
LupusY0nderboy It was silly.. [01:05]
jcpham 1 shiney btc will buy 210.31817665 [01:05]
jcpham namecoins [01:05]
coingenuity lol jcpham [01:05]
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LupusY0nderboy hey rawrmage [01:05]
coingenuity i know people with hundreds of btc worth of namecoin [01:05]
coingenuity it is a little silly [01:05]
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plato jcpham you got a deal [01:06]
plato ;;getrating jcpham [01:06]
rawrmage hi [01:06]
jcpham coingenuity, plato wants to know them too [01:06]
Staatsfeind LupusY0nderboy: Did you check behind the couch? That's where I typically lose mine. [01:06]
ziglir its interesting that dwolla didnt even give the merchant an opportunity to dispute the chargeback, which is pretty much verboten. theres a long list of rules on how ACH chargebacks are supposed to be handled here: http://www.achrulesonline.org/ [01:06]
coingenuity lol [01:06]
rawrmage vragnaroda: doing that stupid pony thing broke my client [01:06]
coingenuity ya, nmc could get very interersting [01:06]
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rawrmage vragnaroda: nobody was getting any of the messages i thought I was sending [01:06]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: lol [01:06]
ziglir indeed, this is one reason why ppl think payment processors should be licensed.. [01:06]
LupusY0nderboy Oh, i remembered it! [01:06]
nanotube LupusY0nderboy: my log shows that you never completed registration, though you started one a couple times. [01:06]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: Have you stopped it? [01:06]
rawrmage now I have to rejoin all of my 73 channels again [01:06]
rawrmage yes [01:06]
LupusY0nderboy Yea nanotube [01:06]
LupusY0nderboy I know what i didn't do [01:07]
LupusY0nderboy but it's sorted now [01:07]
imsaguy rawrmage, don't forget nsfw [01:07]
rawrmage oh, i've got a list [01:07]
LupusY0nderboy I knew i was to wasted to remember my gpg passphrase so i apparently gave it to my gf. [01:07]
LupusY0nderboy she just told me she had it hwen i was getting angry, heh. [01:07]
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coingenuity nanotube: i have a random question for you....what's the raw IRC command to change a channel topic? [01:09]
coingenuity TOPIC #channel :xxx or something like that? [01:09]
LupusY0nderboy Lol, done that shit. [01:09]
nanotube yes probably something like that, coingenuity :) i can look it up just a sec [01:10]
festool86 can anybody vouch for nagie? [01:10]
LupusY0nderboy Protip: remind me that i suck at everything when not sober. [01:10]
coingenuity fasho, dw bout looking it up anywhere but your easily at-hand memory :D [01:10]
nanotube coingenuity: yes, exactly that. [01:10]
coingenuity ah, ok perfect :D [01:10]
coingenuity nice [01:10]
nanotube :) [01:10]
coingenuity tyvm [01:10]
rawrmage probably TOPIC #channel :foo [01:10]
nanotube rawrmage: too late :P [01:11]
LupusY0nderboy neofutur, Hey, fancy rating me? :D [01:11]
LupusY0nderboy rawrmage, you should rate me to because i'm trust awesome. ;) [01:11]
Staatsfeind ;;ident LupusY0nderboy [01:12]
coingenuity you can see the experiment evolve in #bitcoin-auctions if you want nanotube :D [01:12]
LupusY0nderboy But, all that aside, does anyone actually want anything looked at? :) [01:12]
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jezza23 festool86 i have traded with nagie [01:16]
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nagie Hi all [01:17]
danieldaniel ohaider [01:17]
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neofutur Y0nderboy: not yet, a query is not enough to rate imho [01:18]
neofutur I can just say you know PHP and can audit php code [01:18]
imsaguy ;;ticker [01:18]
gribble Best bid: 4.98418, Best ask: 5.0369, Bid-ask spread: 0.05272, Last trade: 4.98418, 24 hour volume: 44954, 24 hour low: 4.9, 24 hour high: 5.07 [01:18]
Y0nderboy True. [01:18]
Y0nderboy But that's not what i was /msg'ing you about. ;) [01:19]
Y0nderboy Did you want me to take a look at that forum stuff for ya? [01:19]
Staatsfeind $ grep pony rawrmage.log | wc -l [01:19]
Staatsfeind 57827 [01:19]
jcpham lol [01:19]
jcpham not 57 thousand times [01:19]
Staatsfeind jcpham: 57, 827 *lines* have the word pony at least once. [01:20]
imsaguy https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/428054_3185235043279_1637871557_2622449_632828933_n.jpg [01:20]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: lol [01:20]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: you log by user, rather than by channel? [01:20]
jcpham i know of wc -l. i assumed a chat log [01:20]
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Staatsfeind rawrmage: That's from PMs only. [01:21]
rawrmage oh god [01:21]
rawrmage i am so so sorry [01:21]
jcpham you have issues rawrmage [01:21]
Staatsfeind jcpham: Well, I started it. ;) [01:21]
jcpham serious pony issues [01:21]
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OneFixt imsaguy: actually, that's not the whole story [01:23]
imsaguy OneFixt: my image? [01:23]
OneFixt yep [01:23]
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OneFixt the calendar was adjusted in 1582 [01:24]
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errydayimgenerat i like how i only connect to moorcock.freenode.net [01:24]
OneFixt AFTER the mayan calendar was discovered [01:24]
OneFixt imsaguy: so it was actually synched at that time to cause the end to be on 12/12/12 [01:24]
jcpham Yeah but OneFixt the Mayans knew that ahead of time [01:24]
errydayimgenerat fuck yeah gregorian [01:24]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-otc [09:37]
* Topic for #bitcoin-otc is: OTC marketplace for Bitcoin trading and exchange. || http://bitcoin-otc.com/ || http://bit.ly/x56Fd5 || Start with the ;;guide || Before you trade, talk to people, and check user ratings. || Beware the FRAUDSTERS. ;;fraud || Trade Options: http://polimedia.us/btc || Bitcoin VPS: http://www.bitvps.com || Support bitcoin-otc! 1F1dPZxdxVVigpGdsafnZ3cFBdMGDADFDe [09:37]
* Topic for #bitcoin-otc set by nanotube!~nanotube@unaffiliated/nanotube at Sun Feb 26 06:25:27 2012 [09:37]
darkfur93 Anyone want a Zune HD 16GB W/ AV Charger. No earbuds for 16-18 BTC? [09:37]
MBS looking at AT&Ts current list, if i would get an actual AT&T phone, probably galaxy note or Galaxy S II Skyrocket [09:37]
MBS but those are 650 and 550 without contract respectively [09:38]
weex rg: in any case an electrum server is a patched bitcoind...electrum itself is a lightweight client [09:38]
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splatster_ Fuuuuuuuuuuu [09:39]
weex i haven't used either so i don't know but it could help if...wait what does it help? what's the problem? [09:39]
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splatster I'm getting tired of this crap [09:40]
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darkfur93 @splatster *foxy hugs* [09:40]
weex perhaps how to run an always-on bitcoind infrastructure [09:40]
MBS i think when i told him 'yeah it can handle minecraft' he took that as 'abuse the shit out of our box for $15/mo' [09:40]
rg ohh cool [09:40]
MBS thats pretty much what minecraft means you know? [09:40]
MBS though maxing out cores with it is kinda unusual for a long time [09:41]
MBS usually just HDD (esp if you dont have alot of ram) [09:41]
MBS hmm not a bad deal [09:43]
MBS http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2202102&sku=B69-1399&SRCCODE=WEM3032YM&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3032-_-tigeremail3032&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3032 [09:43]
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weex also not a bad deal: http://bitmit.net/en/trade/i/1390-penis-water-gun-toy [09:45]
MBS http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=2202111&sku=B69-1400&SRCCODE=WEM3032YM&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3032-_-tigeremail3032&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3032 [09:45]
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MBS thats a pretty good deal too [09:45]
MBS though would be better if it was a Pyro SE instead of regular [09:45]
fizzisist pyro se? [09:46]
rg well [09:46]
MBS SSD [09:46]
rg he could be doing other stuff [09:47]
rg like mining [09:47]
rg but since phantomcircuit made a big deal about me investigating large cpu usage on the forum [09:47]
rg i dont enter anyones machine without permission now [09:47]
MBS add in this $115 550Ti and would make a decent gaming rig for 615 (though like $140 in rebates) [09:48]
MBS http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=41125&sku=E145-0550&SRCCODE=WEM3032YM&cm_mmc=email-_-Main-_-WEM3032-_-tigeremail3032&utm_source=EML&utm_medium=main&utm_campaign=WEM3032 [09:48]
MBS rg, nice him :p [09:48]
rg he is [09:48]
rg but if his machine is broken and he doesn't know [09:48]
rg it doesnt help anyone [09:48]
rg the only reason i ever enter anyones machine is cause it might be broken/misconfigured/doing something it shouldnt be [09:48]
splatster ZOMG splatterbot is dead! [09:48]
splatster fucking TW [09:48]
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splatster Imma shank them [09:49]
rg i always get smickles and splatster mixed up [09:49]
rg i dont know why [09:49]
rg theyre totally different [09:49]
mircea_popescu lol dyslexia [09:49]
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splatster In a good way or a bad way? [09:49]
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rg well [09:50]
MBS lol, have 2 weeks to find someone to take over this guys vps on the server i split with me and 2 other dudes [09:50]
rg i dont not like either of you [09:50]
rg so thats ok [09:50]
rg MBS: im getting a French box now too [09:50]
rg maybe [09:50]
rg if they agree to give me more IP's [09:50]
MBS guess if i really wanted to, could get some more ips and split it into smaller vpses, but too much hassle, lol [09:50]
rg MBS: how much $ [09:51]
rg to take his share [09:51]
MBS $30 [09:51]
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mircea_popescu lmao rg do you like anyone ? [09:56]
MBS nah [09:57]
MBS he hates everyone [09:57]
mircea_popescu rghater! [09:57]
da2ce7 lol [09:58]
da2ce7 public key auth shoud remain secure indefanlty. [09:58]
rg not unless someone steals your key [09:58]
rg besides [09:59]
da2ce7 sure... but then they steal your sever either way. [09:59]
rg these are for the boxes to login to eachother [09:59]
rg to perform cluster commands [09:59]
da2ce7 how dose replacing your key inpove it in anyway. [09:59]
rg i just prefer to change them [09:59]
rg with every key [09:59]
rg its not hte keys thats annoying [09:59]
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rg its the root passwords [09:59]
MBS anyone want to buy a movie ticket voucher (one for just john carter (should have another one wednesday too, but max $8, so probably no 3d), the other to see any movie), or a 12 month xbox live code for $36 or reserve a $10 drugstore.com, $5 crispy creme, or $5 coldstone creamery gift card? Also want to sell an xbox 360 harmony remote, also want a sell 1/3 of a kimsufi 24G, KVM VPS with ~7GB ram, 600GB HDD, access to 6 threads of i7, ~$30 but kinda DIY, wi [09:59]
MBS ndows can also probably be installed on it [09:59]
rg RA3Ct22HM87i1x -- example BitVPS root password [10:00]
da2ce7 rg: root password? don't you disable that? [10:00]
rg too long to even memorize [10:00]
rg da2ce7: no [10:00]
da2ce7 I only use public key auth. [10:00]
rg Good for you. [10:00]
da2ce7 and then use sudo. [10:00]
rg lol [10:00]
rg fuck sudo [10:00]
rg i cant believe sudo is required for PCI compliance [10:00]
rg what a sham [10:00]
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da2ce7 not too bad if you only have one user account that can use sudo. [10:01]
da2ce7 it becomes a 'defacto root' [10:01]
DBordello Anybody want to trade me 6x5850s for 5x5870? :) [10:01]
da2ce7 however I'm planning to move to grsecuirty for all my severs. [10:01]
da2ce7 so I can have more fine-grained controlls [10:01]
MBS yeah hate i hate sudo [10:02]
MBS should probably start using it eventually though but meh [10:02]
rg why bother MBS [10:02]
rg if you cant trust someone with the root password [10:02]
splatster http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgGz-Z3r-mw&feature=related [10:02]
rg you probably shouldnt trust them with sudo [10:02]
MBS for possible jobs in future [10:02]
a5m0 buying 5970 or 6990, selling a dual 2.8ghz xeon tower server/desktop and yubikeys [10:03]
da2ce7 rg: grsecurity means that I can tie a user to a roll more tightly [10:03]
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rg da2ce7: we use grsec too [10:04]
rg the root account is worthless [10:04]
rg its the same as logging in as 'nobody' [10:04]
rg you have to authenticate to RBAC [10:04]
rg to do anything [10:05]
splatster Snoop Dog went on who wants to be a millionaire and had to only do 1 question and had to use a lifeline [10:05]
splatster *facepalm* [10:05]
da2ce7 :) [10:05]
* da2ce7 feels more conftable in using rg's services now. [10:05]
rg yeah [10:06]
rg i run all teh webapps and shit in this account that cant even execute basic commands [10:06]
rg ive found no matter how much you work on local security [10:06]
rg its always teh web apps that let you down [10:06]
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mircea_popescu technically speaking the linode "hack" was a webapp no ? [10:12]
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mcorlett Mqrius: Is "Nederlands" the way of saying "Dutch" in Dutch? [10:14]
a5m0 or social engineering, i haven't checked for any updates though [10:14]
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mircea_popescu i think that's the low countries. [10:15]
mircea_popescu aka Holland. [10:15]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: That was my initial thought as well. [10:16]
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mcorlett https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+say+dutch+in+dutch [10:17]
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Raccoon splatster: if he was there for only one question, of course he'd phone a friend. it's one of those things you just do on the show. [10:20]
splatster Raccoon: He asked the audience. [10:20]
Raccoon ok, that's lame :p [10:20]
splatster It was a question about the movie Watchmen [10:21]
Raccoon never watched it. [10:21]
Raccoon is it about Johova Witnesses? [10:21]
splatster And Snoop talked about how he dozed off while watching it [10:21]
splatster (watch the vid) [10:22]
mircea_popescu must buy of the day : http://charts.glbse.com/markets/MPOE.ETF.html :D [10:22]
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Raccoon wtfisthat [10:23]
Raccoon btc stock market? [10:23]
coingenuity current #bitcoin-auctions item up for sale: 1 hour of bitcoin-specific security auditing =D [10:23]
mcorlett By whom, coingenuity? [10:24]
mircea_popescu haha lessee [10:24]
Raccoon 1 hour? [10:24]
coingenuity mcorlett: 4 man team of pentesters [10:24]
Raccoon oh, i thought you meant auditing, not attempting to breach [10:25]
Raccoon as in reading through 5 million lines of code, one by one [10:25]
splatster LOL, someone's trying to use a dictionary to hack into one of my webservers! [10:26]
splatster LOLOL [10:26]
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splatster I think I need a better honeypot, no one seems to go for it :/ [10:26]
Raccoon serve pages through it. [10:27]
splatster IP is in Bulgaria. [10:27]
splatster the fuck [10:27]
Mqrius mcorlett: Yes. [10:27]
splatster porn01, yup you figured out my root account, it's name porn01 [10:27]
splatster s/it's/its/ [10:28]
a5m0 s/its/tits [10:28]
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splatster I have no fucking idea where this guy got such an extensive list of user/pass combos. [10:29]
neofutur splatster: better change the ssh port to another port than 22 [10:29]
splatster Any recent database hackings? [10:29]
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neofutur not the its dangerous but its filling the logs :p [10:29]
splatster neofutur: It's just funny watching [10:29]
mcorlett splatster: fail2ban [10:30]
splatster oh I turned off logging just so I could watch and laugh without worry [10:30]
* neofutur was just going to change the ssh port of his brand new bitvps [10:30]
splatster what a dumbass [10:30]
mcorlett http://www.fail2ban.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page [10:30]
neofutur mcorlett: changing the ssh port is better than fail2ban imho [10:31]
mcorlett ... [10:31]
splatster The saddest part is that it's only the webserver [10:31]
splatster no databases or anything [10:31]
splatster I want to figure out a way to change the password failed response on my server. [10:32]
neofutur no logs, no risk to ban yourself . . . [10:32]
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splatster make it like "root$ " then wait and then be like "Just kidding, invalid password!" [10:33]
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mcorlett neofutur: How does changing the port prevent anything more sophisticated than a port scan? [10:33]
splatster Just to fuck with this bulgarian douche [10:33]
neofutur it changes that i seen many brute force on my ssh before I changed it [10:34]
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neofutur and none for years on a distant port [10:34]
splatster Imma hash my password 1,000 times with the slowest possible hashing function and try sending it to the guy [10:35]
splatster And say, "crack that." [10:35]
mircea_popescu you know ppl coingenuity is doing a very cool thing with the auction bot. it's getting pretty close to being ready for use i'd say. [10:35]
neofutur an auction bot ? open source ? [10:35]
splatster mircea_popescu: Where is the bot? [10:35]
mircea_popescu /join #bitcoin-auctions [10:35]
splatster neofutur: Oh you and your open source [10:35]
coingenuity :) ty mircea_popescu i appreciate it [10:35]
neofutur just asking I like to read source [10:36]
mircea_popescu lmao neofutur is out of reading material [10:36]
neofutur and also . . . well. i wont support non open source projects most of the time [10:37]
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MBS anyone want to buy a movie ticket voucher (one for just john carter (should have another one wednesday too, but max $8, so probably no 3d), the other to see any movie), or a 12 month xbox live code for $36 or reserve a $10 drugstore.com, $5 crispy creme, or $5 coldstone creamery gift card? Also want to sell an xbox 360 harmony remote, also want a sell 1/3 of a kimsufi 24G, KVM VPS with ~7GB ram, 600GB HDD, access to 6 threads of i7, ~$30 but kinda DIY, wi [10:49]
MBS ndows can also probably be installed on it [10:49]
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mircea_popescu quite the list you're building there MBS [10:50]
MBS yep [10:50]
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MBS not bad, intel 320 ssds for $1/GB after rebate (pretty large rebates though) [10:57]
MBS good if you prefer the reliability of intels to speed of others [10:57]
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SpeedBus Heyy [11:07]
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coingenuity hai SpeedBus [11:10]
SpeedBus Heyy :D [11:11]
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da2ce7 hello SpeedBus :) [11:11]
SpeedBus Hey da2ce7 :D [11:11]
da2ce7 what' ya been up2? [11:12]
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SpeedBus nothin much, just CrownCloud :D [11:12]
da2ce7 ha ha... I've been working on the next version of my website. [11:14]
da2ce7 and otherwise looking trying to look sexy [11:14]
mircea_popescu which website is that da2ce7 ? [11:14]
da2ce7 bitcoinservice.co.uk [11:14]
da2ce7 but that is the OLD version... it is going a complete re-write. [11:15]
mircea_popescu interesting concept. [11:15]
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da2ce7 and the fee structure is going to be differnet. [11:15]
mircea_popescu mpaa wil want you tho, have any plans in place ? [11:15]
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da2ce7 ;;getrating SpeedBus [11:15]
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da2ce7 SpeedBus: what do you trade? [11:16]
SpeedBus Nothin, just sell CrownCloud packages, http://crowncloud.net [11:16]
SpeedBus ;;getrating SpeedBus [11:16]
da2ce7 wow! [11:17]
SpeedBus We have a promo currently, 50% off, so 0.50 BTC/month [11:17]
da2ce7 do you run crowncloud? [11:17]
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SpeedBus Yep [11:17]
SpeedBus or 0.01 BTC/Day [11:18]
SpeedBus :D [11:18]
da2ce7 cool site. [11:18]
SpeedBus :D [11:18]
SpeedBus I run http://imgair.net [11:18]
SpeedBus aswell [11:18]
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SpeedBus 2 sites, :D [11:20]
SpeedBus But i'm concentrating on CrownCloud [11:20]
da2ce7 wow... how do you stream the desktop? [11:20]
SpeedBus Easy :) [11:21]
SpeedBus Through the browser [11:21]
SpeedBus Ajax [11:21]
da2ce7 isn't that fucking slow? [11:21]
SpeedBus nah [11:21]
SpeedBus Give it a try [11:21]
SpeedBus I'll refund you if its slow [11:21]
* da2ce7 cannot, on mobile interent [11:21]
da2ce7 you use h264 compression or something/ [11:22]
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SpeedBus nah [11:22]
SpeedBus ;) [11:22]
SpeedBus Give it a try [11:22]
SpeedBus I'll refund if its slow [11:22]
SpeedBus and its not Windows [11:22]
SpeedBus :D [11:23]
SpeedBus but you can upload files, create / edit / view documents [11:23]
SpeedBus stream songs [11:23]
SpeedBus access it from your iPhone / any other good touch phone [11:23]
da2ce7 wow... is that a package, or you code it yourself/ [11:23]
SpeedBus or tab [11:23]
SpeedBus kinda package [11:23]
SpeedBus kinda coded [11:23]
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SpeedBus its 60 - 40 [11:24]
MBS anyone want to buy a movie ticket voucher (one for just john carter (should have another one wednesday too, but max $8, so probably no 3d), the other to see any movie), or a 12 month xbox live code for $36 or reserve a $10 drugstore.com, $5 crispy creme, or $5 coldstone creamery gift card? Also want to sell an xbox 360 harmony remote, also want a sell 1/3 of a kimsufi 24G, KVM VPS with ~7GB ram, 600GB HDD, access to 6 threads of i7, ~$30 but kinda DIY, wi [11:24]
MBS ndows can also probably be installed on it [11:24]
a5m0 MBS, you spam your ad even more than me [11:25]
SpeedBus It comes with 4 GB Dedicated Storage, no overselling shit, you can see the total usage on the home page [11:25]
SpeedBus *total usage of teh whole system [11:25]
rg wow it appears to be 430am already [11:28]
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da2ce7 SpeedBus: do you have a thread on bitcointalk? [11:31]
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SpeedBus_ Meh, my interet :/ [11:32]
SpeedBus_ back [11:32]
da2ce7 SpeedBus: do you have a thread on bitcointalk? [11:33]
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SpeedBus_ da2ce7 yeah [11:34]
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SpeedBus_ only 20% discount there ;) [11:34]
SpeedBus_ its 50% disocunt heer :p [11:34]
da2ce7 ha ha [11:34]
SpeedBus_ We accept Bitcoin/litecoin/libertyreserve [11:35]
da2ce7 well I'll keep it in mind... once I get some propper internet, then I'll try your service. [11:35]
mcorlett MBS: You've got a PM. [11:35]
SpeedBus_ it uses Gzip level - 7, so well, its compresssedd [11:36]
mcorlett SpeedBus_: What's your service? [11:36]
SpeedBus_ Its a online desktop (NOT WINDOWS) + backup service [11:36]
SpeedBus_ the desktop comes with working office suite [11:37]
SpeedBus_ file manager [11:37]
SpeedBus_ FTP app [11:37]
SpeedBus_ and you can stream your songs off your account directly [11:37]
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SpeedBus_ http://crowncloud.net [11:37]
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SpeedBus_ mcorlett ^^ [11:40]
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coingenuity currently up for sale in #bitcoin-auctions is 200 pre-formed cigarette rolling tubes for making your own smokes [11:44]
neofutur SpeedBus_: you re accepting litecoins but not namecoins ? why ? [11:46]
neofutur imo namecoin is _the_ only serious and long lasting fork [11:47]
rg SpeedBus: can i try to own your box? [11:47]
rg hrm [11:48]
rg ;;seen acidicchip [11:48]
gribble acidicchip was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 6 days, 9 hours, 37 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: coke?! who said coke?! *sssnnniiiiiiffffff* [11:48]
rg famous last words i guess [11:48]
rawrmage lol [11:48]
rg hrm i need him to do more graphics work for me [11:48]
rg doh [11:48]
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rg since we accept USD now [11:51]
rg he has to redo all the graphics [11:51]
rg they all say btc [11:51]
rg i wanted to amake a little switch that changes all the graphics/text to Bitcoin related [11:51]
rg or USD [11:51]
Chaang-Noi what do you sell for dollars now that you used to only accept btc? [11:52]
Coolty vps [11:52]
Chaang-Noi servers and the like eh? cool :) [11:53]
neofutur http://www.bitvps.com/ [11:53]
neofutur I recommend ! [11:53]
neofutur blue cheese time now ! [11:54]
Chaang-Noi im a customer, was just messing around:) [11:54]
neofutur k [11:54]
Coolty i recommend www.vertvps.com ! [11:55]
Coolty a+++ would do business with again! [11:55]
neofutur they also have good support on irc like bitvps ? [11:55]
Coolty yes sir [11:55]
Coolty #vertVPS [11:55]
neofutur an important point for me [11:55]
Coolty neofutur: i'm joshing you, i'm the owner of vertvps [11:56]
Coolty xD [11:56]
neofutur + gentoo install ? full virt, i can make my own firewall and kernel ? [11:56]
Coolty no, it's OpenVZ, sorry [11:56]
Coolty we plan on expanding to XEN or KVM soon though [11:56]
neofutur i d recommend it [11:57]
Coolty yes, thanks [11:57]
Coolty it's on our "to-do" list [11:57]
neofutur its on my "needed features" list for vps [11:58]
Coolty lol [11:58]
neofutur +gentoo install and irc support [11:58]
Coolty i'll keep that in mind [11:58]
Coolty also, XEN or KVM would raise our prices a bit [11:58]
neofutur and where are the servers ? [11:58]
Coolty france [11:58]
neofutur ovh ? [11:59]
Coolty kimsufi/ovh [11:59]
neofutur I m leaving ovh [11:59]
Coolty y? [11:59]
neofutur migrating all my customers from OVH to dedibox [11:59]
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neofutur Coolty: you read french ? [11:59]
Coolty no [12:00]
neofutur ok [12:00]
neofutur http://abuse.ovh.net/index.php?action=blockedByASN [12:00]
neofutur ovh are dropping everyday thoisands of dynamic ips [12:00]
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Coolty huh [12:00]
neofutur i m french but live in Peru and have customers out of europe [12:00]
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Coolty why? [12:01]
neofutur and their dropping policy makes me problems [12:01]
neofutur when i cant ssh to my servers, or i m trying to sell something to a customer [12:01]
Coolty HETZNER IS BLOCKED? rofl [12:01]
neofutur and i cant reach any of my websites [12:01]
neofutur dedibox have better offers and dont drop dynamic ips [12:01]
Coolty VODAFONE IS ALSO BLOCKED? [12:02]
Coolty wtf [12:02]
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Coolty OVH has some strange rules [12:02]
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mcorlett neofutur: Link? [12:02]
neofutur not all the ASN is blocked [12:02]
shades wtf is OVH? [12:02]
neofutur but many ips [12:02]
MBS french isp [12:02]
neofutur mcorlett: read above [12:02]
neofutur (11:58) < neofutur> http://abuse.ovh.net/index.php?action=blockedByASN [12:02]
mcorlett I meant to "Dedibox". [12:02]
mcorlett http://www.online.net/? [12:02]
neofutur when that ahaapen to my ip i m in the shit for days [12:02]
neofutur and not easy to get them to unblock your dynamic ip . . . [12:03]
neofutur yes online.net [12:03]
neofutur I recommend [12:03]
neofutur http://www.online.net/serveur-dedie/offre-dedibox-qc.xhtml [12:03]
neofutur and [12:03]
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vapor neofutur, simple man you need to use a vpn [12:03]
neofutur http://www.online.net/serveur-dedie/offre-dedibox-dc.xhtml [12:03]
neofutur offers [12:03]
vapor whats weird is I have never been blocked by ovh [12:03]
rg ah lucky me [12:03]
rg i just designed a new logo [12:03]
rg and forgot what font i used [12:03]
neofutur vapor: yes i ssh to a dedibox or vps and then to my servers [12:03]
coingenuity rg: is it a penis [12:03]
rg so now i cant edit it [12:03]
rg lovely [12:03]
rg i give up [12:03]
shades what's new guys [12:04]
rg im just gonna pay someone to make this site for me [12:04]
neofutur but when you re visiting a customer . . . it wont help seling your services :p [12:04]
coingenuity shades: #bitcoin-auctions is new :D [12:04]
mcorlett rg: WhatTheFont! [12:04]
vapor neofutur, have they ever told you why they are blocking them? [12:04]
neofutur vapor: and i prefer to just drop OVH for a beetter datacenter with better polici and better offers [12:04]
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vapor ovh is just so cheap :) [12:04]
vapor hard to beat their pricing [12:04]
rg i wonder if i can get someone to use this wordpress template [12:04]
neofutur particularly like the 1 TB hardware raid of the dedibox offers above [12:04]
rg and make my site for me [12:05]
neofutur vapor: the offers above are better [12:05]
neofutur and kimsufi dont even have software raid [12:05]
rg basically [12:05]
rg theres a reason its so cheap [12:05]
rg (cause it sucks) [12:05]
neofutur vapor: read http://abuse.ovh.net/index.php?action=blockedByASN [12:05]
rg :> [12:05]
neofutur they tell why [12:05]
rg rg out [12:05]
rg sleep times [12:05]
neofutur portal : 115 spam : 89 malware : 84 phishing : 77 scan : 16 [12:06]
coingenuity laet [12:06]
vapor neofutur, but is the network for "dedibox" / online.net as good as ovh? [12:06]
neofutur better [12:06]
neofutur online is free.fr [12:06]
neofutur better connectivity, more peerings than ovh . . . [12:07]
neofutur just . . .their support is pure incompetent shit [12:07]
neofutur better not need the support ever [12:07]
vapor I just keep two boxes at mirror one to the other [12:08]
vapor for redundancy in ovh [12:08]
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neofutur real redundancy would mean one of the box is not in the same datacenter imho :p [12:08]
neofutur thats also why I ordered a bitvps in the US [12:08]
vapor well thats handled via tunneled ips [12:08]
neofutur want to have my 3 dns servers in 3 different datacenters [12:08]
vapor we just tunnel data in and out of the boxes [12:08]
bitcoinTrader ;;seen nanotube [12:09]
neofutur next vps will probably be in romania [12:09]
coingenuity MBS: wanna auction off one of your giftcards? [12:11]
MBS maybe, wont have them for a while though [12:11]
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coingenuity ah, fasho. if they're in demand, don't worry about it :) [12:11]
bitcoinTrader nanotube: sleeping? [12:12]
MBS is auction bot working now? [12:12]
MBS could do those movie vouchers, lol [12:12]
coingenuity yep, it's up and running pretty damn well [12:12]
bruzum [12:13]
coingenuity bruzum: thefuck [12:13]
Graet he has nothing to say ;) [12:14]
Graet and put it quite eloquently i thought [12:14]
Graet ;) [12:14]
coingenuity ostensibly Graet [12:15]
bruzum SORRY [12:15]
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SpeedBus_ @neofutur rg I can accept namecoins aswell, own your box ??? [12:15]
SpeedBus_ rg own your box ??? [12:15]
SpeedBus_ @neofutur I can accept namecoins aswell, [12:15]
coingenuity on* [12:15]
SpeedBus_ No probs [12:15]
coingenuity 'own your box' means something else :P [12:15]
SpeedBus_ lol.. own as in I'll own you or somethin ? [12:16]
coingenuity as in "hack your box" [12:16]
SpeedBus_ ow :P [12:16]
coingenuity thats why i felt the need to clear that up, lol! [12:17]
SpeedBus_ haha :D [12:17]
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SpeedBus_ @neofutur I can accept namecoins aswell, drop by #CrownCloud , we'll arrange for it [12:18]
coingenuity hey SpeedBus_ wanna auction a cloud storage package? [12:18]
SpeedBus_ Yeah sure [12:18]
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coingenuity might be fun [12:18]
SpeedBus_ lol.. how did i become speedbus_ :/ [12:18]
coingenuity #bitcoin-auctions [12:18]
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SpeedBus_ ow :P [12:19]
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MBS ok well i guess im going to sleep now [12:20]
coingenuity MBS: [12:21]
coingenuity 4gb of cloud storage for auction right now [12:21]
SpeedBus CrownCloud auction going on in #bitcoin-auctions [12:21]
coingenuity bid before sleep, maybe you get lucky [12:21]
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MBS nah i dont need any cloud storage [12:22]
SpeedBus how about a "cloud desktop" ? [12:22]
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SpeedBus CrownCloud 0.50 BTC/Month - Promo price - 4 GB Storage + Online Desktop (accessed via Web-Browser - Chrome/FireFox/IE) [12:26]
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SpeedBus Selling 1 CrownCloud 0.50 BTC/Month - Promo price - 4 GB Storage + Online Desktop (accessed via Web-Browser - Chrome/FireFox/IE) [12:29]
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marfin ;;guide [12:33]
a5m0 SpeedBus, run your ad less often [12:33]
SpeedBus hmm.. okay :) [12:33]
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neofutur I just registered #bitcoin-hosting, feel free to join [12:36]
neofutur SpeedBus: ¡¡ [12:36]
SpeedBus Joineddd [12:37]
SpeedBus :D [12:37]
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neofutur anyone else in the hosting business and accepting btc ? still recruiting some ops [12:42]
a5m0 me [12:43]
a5m0 as of next week [12:43]
vragnaroda *facepalm* [12:43]
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a5m0 vragnaroda, goo.gl/n7dur [12:44]
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SpeedBus http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3185309_460s.jpg [12:45]
SpeedBus ahahhaha [12:45]
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mcorlett We sure do love 9GAG here. [12:54]
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SpeedBus haha [12:54]
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SpeedBus Selling 1 CrownCloud 0.50 BTC/Month - Promo price - 4 GB Storage + Online Desktop (accessed via Web-Browser - Chrome/FireFox/IE) [13:08]
mcorlett Matthew's on a roll again: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hnu-amAx7U [13:15]
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cyphur Hey people [13:24]
Coolty no [13:25]
Coolty not today. [13:25]
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cyphur any of you guys got large amounts of btc stored in bitcoinica [13:39]
Graet ppl here were depositing just after the linode hack - my guess is yes ;) [13:40]
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cyphur do they pay interest on the balance of btc kept in a/c with them [13:41]
cyphur or only when a trade is open? [13:41]
ne0futur I had large amounts before they liquidated me [13:41]
ne0futur I stil havent understood their interest/swap system [13:42]
ne0futur its very recent [13:42]
cyphur yeah I was just reading it now [13:42]
cyphur trying to work out exactly how it works [13:42]
ne0futur https://www.bitcoinica.com/pages/interest [13:42]
ne0futur just tell me if you understand :p [13:42]
cyphur yeah Im looking at that [13:43]
cyphur :) [13:43]
cyphur Currency Account BTC Balance Currency Btc [13:43]
cyphur the page doesnt explain it fully [13:43]
cyphur Seriously I think I should start offering legal services for btc [13:47]
cyphur starting to annoy me the terrible drafting etc on most btc businesses [13:48]
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nagie ticker [14:03]
nagie ;;ticker [14:03]
ne0futur ;;ticker [14:03]
ne0futur you can also see real time ticker on #mtgox-RT [14:05]
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coingenuity 2 minutes left until the Cloud Storage auction closes in #bitcoin-auctions so come get your bids in quick :) [14:22]
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mircea_popescu so the net result of the dwolla-th debacle : people shorting dwolla > 10x people shorting bitcoin. way to blow up a start-up. [14:37]
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draco49 lol [14:40]
draco49 hey mircea_popescu :) [14:40]
mircea_popescu heya [14:41]
draco49 I bumped that post in the forum and posted a link to it from the noobs section. [14:41]
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ne0futur or just more headlines showing / prooving that bitcoin is valuable . . . [14:49]
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Joric this bot is hilarious http://i.imgur.com/JcN4O.jpg [15:10]
Joric from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67578.0 [15:10]
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Keefe i pulled all my funds from bitcoinica a couple weeks ago i think, becuase i heard of some vuln [15:17]
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Keefe hadn't been trading anyway [15:18]
Joric i wonder does bitcoinica still remain on linode [15:19]
Joric you know maybe those stolen bitcoins had a positive effect after all [15:20]
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Joric any publicity is still good for bitcoin [15:21]
mircea_popescu lol joric [15:22]
mircea_popescu @ the bot i mean [15:23]
mircea_popescu Keefe : do options :D [15:23]
neofutur i think so, any headline prooving bitcoin is valuable is good [15:23]
Keefe mircea_popescu: i just might consider that next time i need to hedge [15:23]
mircea_popescu sounds like a plan. [15:24]
SpeedBus phew, done v2 http://imgair.net/ [15:26]
SpeedBus :D [15:26]
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mcorlett ;;sell 50 BTC at "(({mtgoxask} + {mtgoxbid}) / 2) * {usd in eur} * 1.05" PPEUR [15:38]
gribble Order id 7101 created. [15:38]
mcorlett Yes! [15:38]
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mcorlett ;;remove 7101 [15:39]
gribble Order 7101 removed. [15:39]
mcorlett ;;sell 50 BTC at "(({mtgoxask} + {mtgoxbid}) / 2) * {usd in eur} * 1.1" PPEUR [15:39]
gribble Order id 7102 created. [15:39]
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GlooBoy ;;eauth GlooBoy [16:03]
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SpeedBus Hyy [16:09]
SpeedBus *Heyy [16:09]
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jcpham can i start filling imgair with clop [16:16]
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SpeedBus dontt [16:17]
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SpeedBus Nooo :P [16:18]
SpeedBus No [16:18]
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jcpham http://imgair.net/i/iqqp0-1331130574.gif [16:19]
SpeedBus why ? [16:23]
SpeedBus :( [16:23]
jcpham everyone loves rainbow dash? [16:27]
SpeedBus :/ [16:27]
SpeedBus :) [16:27]
shades rainbow dash? is that some new drug? [16:28]
SpeedBus nah, its some horse which comes in a cartoon :) [16:28]
SpeedBus *I AM SERIOUS [16:28]
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shades only unicorns can come a rainbow. [16:28]
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jcpham http://imgair.net/i/rainbow_piss_-_imgur-1331131398.jpg [16:31]
shades that's.. not urine. [16:33]
luke-jr anyone trustworthy want some MTGUSD for PPUSD? [16:34]
smickles ;;view 7096 [16:35]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [16:35]
SpeedBus #bitcoin-auctions is amazing !! [16:37]
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cyphur smickles are you creating that etf? [16:42]
smickles cyphur: the ETF has already been created and is trading [16:43]
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cyphur ur in the uk right? [16:43]
smickles cyphur: me? no 'Merica [16:44]
cyphur oh ok [16:44]
cyphur whats the governing law clause of your dtr look like? [16:44]
smickles cyphur: sec ... phone call [16:45]
cyphur no probs :) [16:45]
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ziglir they finally plowed my street [17:12]
ziglir http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8m7dyk7u9xk/TudxPaZ5swI/AAAAAAAABcw/x7zcGiwJ8L8/s1600/snow2.jpg [17:12]
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shades lol [17:16]
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mircea_popescu ahh, i haven't had snow on the ground for a week now [17:18]
mircea_popescu my apple tree is starting to bud [17:18]
copumpkin zomg [17:19]
mircea_popescu sup cpt cop ? [17:19]
copumpkin not much [17:21]
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sturles Hmm. Someone is trying hard to push the price upwards with walls around 4.98, but it isn't working. Still no trades above 5. [17:22]
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Blitzboom it’s always pirateat40 [17:22]
Blitzboom :D [17:22]
pirateat40 Its always me [17:23]
pirateat40 ALWAYS [17:23]
Blitzboom how’s it going, pirate [17:23]
imsaguy2 ;;view 7103 [17:23]
gribble #7103 Wed Mar 7 07:23:26 2012 imsaguy SELL 40.0 btc @ 5.2291 PPUSD (None) [17:23]
Blitzboom expecting 15k+ ask wall in 3…2…1 [17:24]
smickles cyphur: the governing clause of the DR is that I will comply with SEC regulations for OTC derivitives, specifically Depositary Receipts, issued from an unregulated (exempt) small business [17:24]
pirateat40 sorry missed it [17:25]
smickles cyphur: AFAIK, there are not state or local laws that apply here [17:25]
pirateat40 ok take it down now Blitzboom [17:26]
Blitzboom pirateat40: i will never be able to understand how you operate bitcoinica … i remember that 4.75 spike [17:26]
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Blitzboom pirateat40: ok bro [17:27]
Joric it would never go above 5 (as always because i'm in a long position right now) [17:27]
smickles cyphur: basically, I will provide a link to the 'financials' of the ETF when they are available, and you can 'cash in' the DR for the actual ETF certificate on GLBSE or FMV in BTC [17:27]
pirateat40 k thanks [17:27]
Blitzboom pirateat40: it would actually be useful if you made others look like "the manipulator" [17:27]
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pirateat40 I thought you were him? [17:28]
pirateat40 have i been lied to? [17:28]
Blitzboom sorry, i manipulated you to believing the manipulator lie [17:28]
pirateat40 lol [17:28]
Joric with his kind of money pirateat40 is definitely the manupulator, well, a manipulator, not the ) [17:28]
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pirateat40 agreed [17:29]
pirateat40 im just a baby [17:29]
copumpkin wah wah [17:29]
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Blitzboom what do you guys think the 3 BTC bot is? [17:31]
Blitzboom i suspect it is arbitrage from where the stolen coins are sold [17:32]
Blitzboom because it really sells 24/7, pretty much once per minute [17:32]
Cusipzzz my favorite number is 3....O.o [17:33]
Blitzboom so you are the linode thief [17:33]
Joric Blitzboom, only sells, never buys? [17:33]
Blitzboom Joric: yeah [17:33]
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Blitzboom well, i don’t see either buys in 3 units or bids [17:34]
Cusipzzz Blitzboom: maybe..on the internet, nobody knows you are a dog. [17:34]
Blitzboom dogs are fairly talented hackers [17:34]
Joric what about cats [17:35]
imsaguy2 pussy [17:35]
Blitzboom cats are script kiddies [17:36]
nathan7 no [17:37]
sturles Script kittens? [17:37]
nathan7 It's well-known that cats have hacker nature [= [17:37]
sturles True. [17:37]
Blitzboom ^_^ [17:37]
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sturles Oh. Wall gone. *poff* [17:39]
ziglir the cats hav eit [17:39]
Blitzboom sturles: both walls interestingly [17:39]
Blitzboom i think they are meant to attract bids [17:39]
Blitzboom same as was done with the ask walls [17:39]
sturles Yep. And din't work very well. People sold to the walls instead. [17:40]
Blitzboom the manipirater better upgrade his algo! [17:40]
sturles People don't fall for the trick any more. :-) [17:40]
Blitzboom sturles: yeah [17:40]
Blitzboom it would be funny if they actually took it contrarian and sold or bought hard into them [17:41]
Blitzboom i suspect this will happen as long as these methods are used that often [17:41]
sturles It happens sometimes, yes. [17:41]
imsaguy2 here's the thing [17:41]
imsaguy2 you can say its an old trick [17:41]
imsaguy2 people will start to counter it [17:42]
imsaguy2 but then people will start to counter the counter [17:42]
imsaguy2 leaving you at square 1 [17:42]
mircea_popescu obama now runs a talk show critique show. [17:42]
Blitzboom yeah, i know [17:42]
mircea_popescu he's like obamast3k [17:42]
Blitzboom imsaguy2: beauty of competition [17:42]
coingenuity ;;ident Graet [17:42]
gribble Nick 'Graet', with hostmask 'Graet!~graet@unaffiliated/graet', is not identified. [17:42]
Graet oh yeah [17:42]
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coingenuity lol, my lazy arse even authed for you :D [17:43]
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Blitzboom the funny thing about manipulators is [17:44]
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Blitzboom they can’t go against the trend [17:44]
sturles Some bot keeps selling 3 BTC at a time. Wonder what that is all about. Better than selling 0.001, but why? [17:44]
Blitzboom for instance it reversed in the lower 4s [17:44]
Blitzboom sturles: i just asked the same question before [17:44]
mircea_popescu he should be selling 1.337 at a time [17:44]
mircea_popescu that'd really get people's goats. [17:45]
Blitzboom i suspect it is arbitrage from where the stolen coins are sold [17:45]
Blitzboom because it really sells 24/7, pretty much once per minute [17:45]
Blitzboom do we know yet how much coins were actually stolen? [17:45]
Blitzboom we only knew the cases from 4 out of 8 victims [17:45]
Blitzboom it’s possible there was more [17:45]
coingenuity ;;rate Graet 8 sold me 5BTC for MTGOXUSD [17:45]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 8 for user Graet has been recorded. [17:45]
mircea_popescu who said the cats havwe the hacker nature ? http://pifica.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/pisic-visator-ii/ << [17:46]
Blitzboom and, has there been any analysis done on the coins we do know of? [17:46]
Blitzboom so that we might see where they end up [17:46]
mircea_popescu i am told a certain Wright character on the forum is all over it. [17:46]
smickles ;;view 6096 [17:46]
smickles ;;view 7096 [17:47]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [17:47]
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mircea_popescu haha smickles, this is getting fascinating. so you do drs on the eft which is a de facto dr for mpoe stock. [17:52]
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mircea_popescu pretty soon we will be having wall street bankers begging us to allow them to participate :D [17:53]
smickles mircea_popescu: "it's so meta" [17:53]
imsaguy2 coingenuity: ratings are almost logarithmic.. 8 of out 10 is like you're engaged to be married. [17:53]
mircea_popescu seriously, i thot that 8 a little weird myself. [17:53]
Cusipzzz i don't even give nanotube an 8 ;) [17:54]
imsaguy2 Cusipzzz: cheap bastard! [17:54]
Cusipzzz lol [17:54]
mircea_popescu o hey cussipzzz! you went in the middle yet ? :D [17:54]
smickles mircea_popescu: next I plan to roll it into a basket security and sell a CDR based on it [17:54]
smickles ;) [17:54]
smickles * CDS [17:54]
mircea_popescu actually smickles, an ideea of what you could do is this : [17:54]
cyphur Hey Smickles sorry I had to run to a meeting [17:54]
Cusipzzz mircea_popescu: no, been lazy. this weekend when i have time to run some calcs :) [17:55]
coingenuity imsaguy2: Graet gave me a BTC for nothing, basically. it deserves an 8 for being so nice...logarithmically. [17:55]
smickles np cyphur [17:55]
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mircea_popescu make a diff fund, prolly same pricepoint, once it gets 50 btc together you can buy a bond. put in in at say 0.1% interest so you always get paid, then pay out 49% of the montl;y receipts as dividendsa [17:55]
cyphur Ill have a look at the legislation after work and see if theres anything interesting [17:55]
mircea_popescu pay youself 1% for the trouble, keep 50% [17:55]
mircea_popescu that 50% is used as insurance in case the bond loses money in a month [17:55]
mircea_popescu this way people can invest in the bond with significant insurance of their capital. prolly be useful. [17:56]
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smickles mircea_popescu: you have an neat idea there [17:56]
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mircea_popescu basically you have a retained-earnings self insured spreads pool [17:56]
mircea_popescu which is really better than a tranched cd. [17:57]
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jjjrmy-m talk [17:57]
jjjrmy-m talk [17:57]
cyphur mircea thats not an insured pool [17:57]
jaypetermm anyone looking for moneypak,PP or Amazon.................................i am looking for BTC or LR [17:57]
bitcoinTrader ;;seen nanotube [17:58]
mircea_popescu cyphur what you mean ? [17:58]
Graet ;;rate coingenuity 7 many trades over 6 months in various forms, honest ,reliable [17:58]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user coingenuity has changed from 8 to 7. [17:58]
jaypetermm Rate offered 1 BTC = 5.23 $ [17:58]
Graet whut lol [17:58]
mircea_popescu how's the business going jaypetermm ? [17:58]
coingenuity aww i went down? [17:58]
coingenuity lol [17:59]
Graet ;;rate coingenuity 8 many trades over 6 months in various forms, honest ,reliable [17:59]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user coingenuity has changed from 7 to 8. [17:59]
jaypetermm going gr8 bro [17:59]
jaypetermm u thell [17:59]
cyphur storing a percentage of profits to ensure that if profits drop the interest payments can still be made [17:59]
Graet i didnt remeber that lmao [17:59]
mircea_popescu do you two know each other ? :D [17:59]
jaypetermm u thelltell [17:59]
jaypetermm tell [17:59]
cyphur isnt a contract of insurance [17:59]
coingenuity ty m8 [17:59]
mircea_popescu cyphur : i think you maybe don't fully grasp the underlying ? [17:59]
bitcoinTrader ;;tell nanotube ready to take the LR offer , purse U6040013 for 480 LR as decided…. thanks [17:59]
Graet mircea_popescu, we have been daling with each other since ~july last year when coingenuity opened his 1st btc venture [17:59]
cyphur no I promise I do :) [18:00]
Graet i think i kinow him pretty well ;) [18:00]
Graet and trust him :) [18:00]
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cyphur but a contract of insurance requires a transfer of liability between two distinct entities [18:00]
cyphur having money in the piggy bank is not insurance [18:00]
mircea_popescu cyphur ok then i don't get your objection. retaining half the premium is a way to self insure. [18:00]
cyphur as the risk remains with the single entity [18:00]
mircea_popescu graet a cool then. [18:00]
mircea_popescu what is the single entity ? [18:00]
Graet :) [18:00]
cyphur you cant self insure [18:00]
mircea_popescu ... [18:00]
Graet what was that called coingenuity ahh rafflebit :P [18:01]
coingenuity mircea_popescu: what he's saying is...if your assets get seized your self insurance is useless [18:01]
mircea_popescu but we're discussing two different things here. [18:01]
coingenuity or situations like that [18:01]
mircea_popescu the etf holds a different company. [18:01]
Blitzboom sup pirateat40 [18:01]
Blitzboom hello 3k @ 4.98 :D [18:01]
Blitzboom why always round numbers? [18:02]
mircea_popescu i really think the guy doesn't actually graps the underlying. [18:02]
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pirateat40 oh hi [18:02]
Blitzboom take uneven ones [18:02]
Blitzboom so that people think that’s all you got and you want out asap [18:02]
imsaguy2 yeah, like 3456 [18:02]
smickles @info [18:02]
imsaguy2 smickles, wrong channel [18:02]
smickles imsaguy2: i was testing to see if it listened here too [18:03]
mircea_popescu i really like how this channel catches on fire after about 3pm gmt :D [18:03]
pirateat40 Blitzboom, if you saw my screens you would laugh at what rounds numbers mean. [18:03]
smickles imsaguy2: but ty anyway ;) [18:03]
cyphur you violate all sorts of financial regulation by claiming that it was an insured bond [18:03]
Blitzboom pirateat40: 100k wall please [18:03]
Blitzboom just for demonstration [18:03]
pirateat40 lol [18:03]
luke-jr selling MTGUSD for PPUSD to trusted members. [18:03]
pigeons now you want him to perform tricks [18:03]
Blitzboom errr [18:04]
luke-jr ;;sell 100 MTGUSD @ 1 PPUSD Trusted members only. [18:04]
cyphur are you going to have a trustee structure? or payment agent? [18:04]
Blitzboom i mean, i will put up 100k now at 5.2 [18:04]
mircea_popescu a. financial regulations are a red herring b. i said the fund self insures, not that something is an "insured" bond. [18:04]
Blitzboom watch [18:04]
Blitzboom :D [18:04]
Blitzboom pigeons: he’s a magician! [18:04]
Blitzboom also i’m really bored [18:04]
pigeons I know he's a magician, but he's not YOUR magician ;) [18:04]
luke-jr ;;sell 100 MTGUSD @ 1 PPUSD Trusted members only. [18:05]
gribble Order id 7104 created. [18:05]
Blitzboom pigeons: i want to believe [18:06]
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neofutur luke-jr: query [18:06]
luke-jr neofutur: ctcp [18:07]
cyphur Will all due respect i think the problem is not that financial regulation is a red herring [18:07]
cyphur your mixing terminology [18:07]
mircea_popescu specifically ? [18:07]
cyphur in the context your referring to of an investment firm offering a `bond' [18:07]
mircea_popescu mno. [18:07]
mircea_popescu the investment firm buys the bond. [18:07]
Blitzboom pirateat40, are you still bearish overall? : [18:08]
Blitzboom i think we’ve seen some cool new thing [18:08]
Blitzboom things* [18:08]
cyphur ahh the you refer to [18:08]
pirateat40 im what the markets needs to be [18:08]
cyphur is the fund not the individual [18:08]
Blitzboom well, you said bitcoin is not ready for current levels or something like that [18:08]
luke-jr ;;sell 100 MTGUSD @ 1 PPUSD Trusted members only. Minimum 75 USD at 1:1 rate. [18:09]
gribble Order id 7105 created. [18:09]
luke-jr ;;remove 7104 [18:09]
gribble Order 7104 removed. [18:09]
mircea_popescu yes, fund buys mpoe bond, gets premium, distributes some keeps some to insure against mpoe bond taking the hose. thus the fund self insures, was the ideea. [18:09]
pigeons pirateat40 just blindly follows that twitter guy S305a or whatever his name is, we all know that [18:09]
jcpham ! [18:09]
mircea_popescu aren't they one and the same pigeons ? [18:09]
pigeons no, S305a(sp) is much smarter [18:09]
jcpham pigeons just nailed it think :) [18:09]
Blitzboom pigeons: i laughed so hard when a guy on the forums suggested him to subscribe to him [18:10]
cyphur whats the structure of the bond though [18:10]
Blitzboom S3052 is the PERFECT contrarian indicator [18:10]
Blitzboom yesterday he issued bullish analysis (as can be seen by the spike immediately thereafter) [18:10]
cyphur how are the rights of the investors reflected in the chain? [18:10]
cyphur do you only have a right of action against the fund? [18:10]
mircea_popescu wekll see ? i said you don't grasp the underlying, i didn't mean to insult, just, you need to read that first. here -> http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/ read the part about bonds. [18:10]
cyphur in the event of non perfromance etc? [18:10]
pigeons i think people investing are clear about what they are getting [18:11]
cyphur I understand the mechanics of the underlying asset [18:11]
cyphur Its just not correctly implemented [18:11]
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mircea_popescu ugh. [18:11]
cyphur This is the problem with so much of the btc community [18:11]
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cyphur Its slap dash [18:12]
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cyphur and not correctly drafted [18:12]
mircea_popescu ok, before you speak of "slap dash" and "not correctly drafted", suppose you take the time to write down your objections somewhere ? [18:12]
mircea_popescu forum is a good place to start - > https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.0 [18:12]
jcpham who needs documentation. get it working, then use it [18:12]
cyphur yeah Ill be happy to help out a bit in the future [18:12]
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mircea_popescu thing is jcpham, i hold my thing as a shining beacon of documentary perfection [18:13]
cyphur its what I do for a living though [18:13]
mircea_popescu that your average investment bank would stand to profit by copying. [18:13]
cyphur I work in capital markets as a solicitor [18:13]
mircea_popescu and im not making that claim lightly. [18:13]
mircea_popescu i am not impressed cyphur. [18:13]
cyphur thats fine [18:13]
mircea_popescu write your piece, irc qualifications aren't worth much. [18:13]
* jcpham copy/pastes text and rtuns off to find investment banker [18:13]
cyphur Its not about impressing you [18:13]
Blitzboom can someone explain to me what gpumax actually does? [18:13]
mircea_popescu i'd like to see the objections written out. [18:13]
cyphur Im just saying that Im worried that people are investing in things [18:13]
mircea_popescu blitzboom : i could benefit by that too. [18:13]
jcpham Blitzboom, see #gpumax [18:14]
cyphur where they have no legal recource in the event of non performance [18:14]
mircea_popescu cyphur : that's a worry i can respect. however, not being able to cogently explain what the problems are, in writing, means you're mostly doing fud. [18:14]
mircea_popescu (usually spelled recourse, too). [18:14]
pigeons does non-performance mean something else in this context? I wouldn't expect someone to have legal recourse for an investment not performing as expected [18:15]
mircea_popescu im not sure what he means by it either, tbh. [18:15]
pigeons that's why it's an investment/risk [18:15]
cyphur Sorry Im trying to type while at work [18:15]
mircea_popescu seriously, there's no rush and no need to cram a complex ideea into irc. [18:16]
cyphur so I dont have time to draft you a full example [18:16]
mircea_popescu take your time, type it out, put it on the forum or on my blog (either of the two links given) [18:16]
mircea_popescu and it will be discussed with all seriousness. [18:16]
cyphur Mircea my point was very simple [18:16]
cyphur just please get a lawyer to actually look at these things [18:16]
mircea_popescu and you know i haven't by what procedure ? [18:16]
Cory Some jerk put up some ask orders. [18:17]
pigeons from what i've seen i think there are several people who will agree with you cyphur, however i think most investors are not interested in having legal recourse, they are making a decision based on what they think they know about mircea_popescu and his business [18:17]
smickles Cory: without ask orders, noone can buy on the exchange ;P [18:17]
mircea_popescu still, pigeons, overall from a community perspective, it;'s valuable to have objections well documented [18:18]
pigeons yes, i don't want to discourage him from voicing objections [18:18]
Cory smickles: It's okay if I put in ask orders. Nobody else, though. [18:18]
smickles Cory: lol [18:19]
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mod6 :) [18:20]
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mircea_popescu lol cory, buy some of the kid's eft :D [18:21]
mircea_popescu i should pay for someone to explain to me why the jumping jesus on a stick i spell etf as eft 50% of the time. [18:21]
pigeons because you practice "emotional freedom technique" [18:22]
Cusipzzz tanking [18:22]
smickles cyphur: if you think I have a compliance issue with MPOE.ETF or the related DR i'm offering, please let me know once you've looked into. I believe i'm fully compliant though. [18:22]
mircea_popescu lmao im affraid to ask what this technique involves. [18:23]
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pigeons mircea_popescu: wishful thinking and "tapping" [18:23]
mircea_popescu p wpw 4.92 [18:23]
cyphur Yeah smickles Im happy to have a look :) [18:23]
cyphur Ill pm you when I get a bit of time off work [18:24]
smickles cyphur: thanks for your consideration :D [18:24]
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cyphur I realise people here are often hostile to a methodical approach [18:24]
rawrmage i am hostile to everypony equally [18:24]
cyphur but quite frankly on average people really dont know what the hell they are talking about. [18:24]
mircea_popescu on average that's quite correct. still, presuming things about specific people based on averages is pretty much what racism consists of. [18:25]
jcpham ponyponypony [18:25]
rawrmage ;;bc,price [18:25]
gribble Next Price Estimate: 5.904 | Next Price In About 2 days, 16 hours, 49 minutes, and 44 seconds [18:25]
rawrmage mhm [18:25]
pigeons don't forget ageism [18:25]
mircea_popescu nowai 5.9 ?! [18:25]
* gribble gives voice to occulta [18:25]
mircea_popescu pigeons : or feminism :D [18:25]
phraust or dwarfism! [18:25]
jcpham ^ that price is correct^ [18:25]
Cusipzzz smickles: if you are offering to US citizens you certainly have a compliance issue. IF it can be enforced, it's hard to say. You simply cannot create a security to sell to us residents without having it registered, and being sold by a registered representative. [18:25]
mircea_popescu dwarfism is a condition innit ? [18:26]
cyphur What Im more worried about than the bond holders rights [18:26]
cyphur is a possible action for damages against you [18:26]
mircea_popescu cusipzzz : by this measure glbse should go down in flames tho [18:26]
Cusipzzz see "blue sky laws" [18:26]
Cusipzzz mircea_popescu: they will, if anyone at the sec or finra ever bothers to look at it [18:26]
cyphur or SEC litigation for issuing an unregulated note purporting to be insured financial instrument [18:26]
mircea_popescu cyphur... his eft is the bondholder. he issues no bond. [18:26]
pigeons they will move to i2p [18:27]
mircea_popescu cusipzzz dubious, but i guess that bridge to be crossed when gotten to. [18:27]
cyphur Mircea [18:27]
Cusipzzz not dubious, the question is, is it worth their time. [18:27]
cyphur Sorry gotta run to a meeting [18:27]
cyphur Ill chat to you later smickles :) [18:28]
cyphur cool idea though [18:28]
mircea_popescu cusipzzz the old blizzard argument. if WOW implements a stock market ingame you imagien they're having a sec compliance issue ? [18:28]
mircea_popescu i'll be here cyphur. [18:28]
Cusipzzz mircea_popescu: well, if it's for entertainment purposes and only using wow gold, then maybe not. if gblse is hiding behind the murky bitcoin shield, that's not as solid. [18:29]
smickles mircea_popescu: well, the etf doesn't buy bonds or hold them, it will buy stock [18:29]
pigeons safety is a valid concern, it's why I don't have similar ventures, but I wouldn't assume that nefario and smickles and mircea_popescu are ignorant of the dangers [18:29]
jaypetermm anyone looking for moneypak,PP or Amazon.................................i am looking for BTC or LR [18:29]
mircea_popescu wow lol. on 1 at a time [18:29]
jaypetermm offering 1 BTC = 5.23 $ [18:30]
mircea_popescu smickles : i thought he was discussing the proposed new vehicle not the old one ? [18:30]
mircea_popescu cusipzzz some people are paying usd for to buy wow giold on some websites [18:30]
mircea_popescu pigeons while parliaments are those things which while in session no citizen is secure in his life or property, [18:30]
mircea_popescu i think i have done due dilligence o nthe subject. [18:31]
smickles Cusipzzz: If that's true, then my advisors and I are reading the sec publications incorrectly [18:31]
pigeons yes, you specifically told me that you had in a private conversation, and I believe you [18:31]
smickles Cusipzzz: re your last message hilighting me [18:32]
mircea_popescu obviously this is all NEW, as in, never seen before ground. [18:32]
mircea_popescu so all determination, even the most competent, can in the end be established by practice mistaken. [18:32]
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Cusipzzz smickles: maybe they should read dodd frank too, with derivs and swaps now coming under the cftc and requiring registration and reporting. [18:32]
pigeons stay in bed, much safer [18:32]
mircea_popescu cusipzzz : bur neither derivs and swaps were origianlly UNDER registration and reporting on presumption, right ? [18:33]
Cusipzzz just a warning, i doubt anyone takes action [18:33]
Cusipzzz but i'm pretty familiar with most of this, being a series 24 [18:33]
mircea_popescu a hey that's pretty cool. [18:33]
Cusipzzz mircea_popescu: correct...non exchange traded stuff has been a black hole, hence dodd frank [18:34]
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mircea_popescu when did you pass it cusipzz ? year i mean. [18:34]
Cusipzzz last year, but if obama loses it may be repealed [18:34]
mircea_popescu no i mean you. [18:34]
Cusipzzz repubs and banks obv hate it [18:34]
mircea_popescu the exam. [18:34]
Cusipzzz oh, 8 years ago [18:34]
mircea_popescu i know when the reform & consumer prot passed lol [18:35]
mircea_popescu and it wasactually 2010 iirc [18:35]
mircea_popescu house like even earlier than that. [18:35]
Cusipzzz ya, mid 2010 [18:36]
Cusipzzz but most rules are still being finalized byhe SRO [18:36]
Cusipzzz like the swaps rules [18:36]
mircea_popescu typical sort of mess they do nowadays [18:36]
mircea_popescu pass laws, nobody can apply for two years. [18:36]
mircea_popescu its scandalous. [18:36]
Cusipzzz yeah it will take years [18:37]
mircea_popescu stay in bed, much safer << he may have a point there. [18:37]
Cusipzzz assuming it is not killed [18:37]
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mircea_popescu or turned into something completely different under the same name. [18:37]
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Cusipzzz i mean, i think the fledgling btc-securities world is pretty safe, the sec et all are busy chasing mini-madoffs and insider trading right now. but according to the letter of the law i don't think any regulator would consider them not to be covered somewhow. [18:39]
mircea_popescu as a general rule you will rarely see a regulator not consider something his imperium [18:41]
Cusipzzz safe from regulatory scrutiny i mean, as far as profit - if you were able to short every gblse offering from day 1 you would be up a fortune. [18:41]
mircea_popescu that said, im copacetic on the score of whether fincen/sec/some other entity decides to regulate bitcoins. [18:41]
mircea_popescu i won't buy into the theory theyre "already regulated" tho. not the case afaics. [18:42]
ziglir ignore the regulation. when the exchange gets big enough, then file all the stuff. but until then no one cares, unless youre actively aiding the FARC launder hundreds of thousands of $ or something [18:42]
mircea_popescu i know, that is the sad thing. skepsidyne - best asset on gblse. went tits up. lib.x, best asset of glbse. tits up. the iother thing, shakaru's thing, best asset, tits up [18:42]
Cusipzzz forget bitcoin... there is an etf for rare wines, it of course falls under registration rules. [18:42]
mircea_popescu is it traded in a bottle of wine cusipzzz ? [18:43]
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Cusipzzz no, but that is not the point... if you are tracking the value of anything, with a securitized product, that would fall under those rules [18:43]
Cusipzzz it could be art, wine, the price of beanie babies [18:44]
mircea_popescu thetracking is the problem tho. [18:44]
mircea_popescu not the "what thing is being tracked" [18:44]
Cusipzzz you are giving investors the vehicle to invest, or speculate. it requires registration [18:45]
mircea_popescu but anyway, if anyone asked my opinion, i wouldn't say regulations or compliance is the problem for btc securities. the fact that no company lived two years yet, NONE. is the problem. [18:45]
mircea_popescu even with 50% a year dividends that means no business is actually profitable in the btc world. [18:45]
mircea_popescu that's the big fucken problem, and that's what i plan to address myself. [18:45]
Cusipzzz there are many profitable ones...they obv don't need gblse or any other funding method [18:45]
mircea_popescu well cusipzzz we're talking securities [18:46]
ziglir its just crowd financing, which is perfectly legal, and actually is about to be explicitly supported through a bill in congress now [18:46]
mircea_popescu "no business is actually profitable" = no business makes for a profitable investment. [18:46]
Cusipzzz the profitable ones are not letting others invest, why bother? capital to expand requirements are notlike other businesses [18:47]
Cusipzzz ziglir: crowd financing and trading in securities or instruments are very different [18:47]
ziglir exchanges, blackhats, and early adopters are the main ppl getting rich off bitcoin [18:48]
mircea_popescu ya but we're trying to get financials going. [18:48]
ziglir everyone else is just a guppy in their pond [18:48]
mircea_popescu wasn't MTGox actually in the red ? [18:48]
mircea_popescu or am i mixing my vague memories [18:48]
ziglir that will change as new niches are developed and the market expands [18:48]
ziglir nah afaik theyre insanely profitable. its like running a money printing machine [18:48]
Cusipzzz very profitable, no doubt [18:49]
shades so a sole owner of 51% can dictate the market value? [18:49]
mircea_popescu hm [18:50]
mircea_popescu th wasn't actually profitable. [18:50]
mircea_popescu that we know for a fact. [18:50]
mircea_popescu shades : context ? [18:50]
ziglir theres some lead-up time, initial investment to grow the user base, etc [18:50]
Cusipzzz th had tiny volume and merchant partners that stole from them. do the math on gox revenue, assuming a .4 fee or whatever. it's impressive. [18:50]
mircea_popescu i dunno cusipzzz, on 1mn a month comes to 4k btc = 20k usd ? [18:51]
mircea_popescu a month ? that's a pizzeria. [18:51]
mircea_popescu they employ what, 4-5 people ? [18:51]
mircea_popescu not quite as insanely. [18:51]
shades for bitcoin, I thought I read that somewhere [18:51]
Cusipzzz it's over 1m and they get .4 form both sides [18:51]
jaypetermm anyone looking for moneypak,PP or Amazon.................................i am looking for BTC or LR [18:51]
jaypetermm offering 1 BTC = 5.23 $ [18:51]
ne0futur mircea_popescu: https://mtgox.com/press_release_20120201.html [18:52]
jaypetermm already did succussful trade of 2k moneypak [18:52]
mircea_popescu a ty ne0futur [18:52]
ne0futur and for "not profitable btc businesses" . . . well i m not rich, but profitable enough to live and with more than 60 % of my monthly income in btcs [18:53]
mircea_popescu so, they spend 5k on servers, had 15mn gross turnover yoy [18:53]
mircea_popescu srsly. this is not insane. [18:53]
ne0futur and still growing, so, not only exchanges, blackhats and miners ;) [18:53]
mircea_popescu 337k gross revenue yoy means about 30k a month, so i stand corrected. [18:53]
ne0futur mircea_popescu: 5k not including prolexic ddos protection [18:53]
Cusipzzz yes, growing [18:53]
mircea_popescu still. 30k - 5-10k in fixed costs + 15k (conservative) in employee costs [18:54]
mircea_popescu they barely have what tyo pay tax with. [18:54]
mircea_popescu they claim 5mn yen montly opp costs [18:54]
mircea_popescu that's 60+k usd [18:54]
mircea_popescu they are a staggering 30k a month in the red jesus god. [18:55]
Cusipzzz i'm pretty sure they get a volume discount on hooks n blow, too. [18:55]
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Cusipzzz hookers* [18:55]
mircea_popescu seriously! 30k revenue 60k expenditure, how do they even finance that ? [18:55]
mircea_popescu not like any bank will back it. [18:55]
ziglir wat [18:55]
shades lol, pay taxes. This is BTC! [18:55]
ziglir they do not have 60k / mo in operating costs [18:56]
mircea_popescu im sure they pay at least the employment taxes shades [18:56]
Cusipzzz half the fees are in btc, so it's variable. [18:56]
mircea_popescu they claim so ziglir [18:56]
shades mircea_popescu: I guess, unless they pay their employees in BTC [18:56]
mircea_popescu thye wouldn't risk a raid, im sure have offices somewhere. [18:56]
ziglir thats including the hookers & blow, maseratis & yachts [18:56]
ne0futur not their emplyees, but some contractors . . . could be [18:56]
Cusipzzz ziglir: indeed [18:56]
mircea_popescu i doubt it seriously. employees need to be paid. [18:56]
* ne0futur already made invoices in EUR, mtgusd and btcs [18:57]
ziglir their operating costs is a suspiciously round number: "5M Yen" [18:57]
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ziglir they just want to discourage other businesses from opening exchanges - and they're probably counting re-investment into other ventures as an operating cost [18:57]
mircea_popescu granted, that. [18:58]
Cusipzzz ziglir: that's to mask the hookers and bluefin tuna ldo [18:58]
mircea_popescu they could be luieing through their teeth [18:58]
Cusipzzz we can closely estimate the revenue side - just not the other side [18:58]
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ne0futur ( theres a ~ before 5000 yens ) [18:59]
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smickles shades: i reported gains from btc purchase and sale, and would have paid tax on it if I weren't poor [19:00]
ziglir yeah why are all the other numbers specified to within $10, but expenses are some ridiculously unspecific round number [19:00]
chk` ;;fraud [19:00]
shades smickles, that's yoru fault for reporting gains [19:01]
Blitzboom mtgox should be doing advertising for bitcoin as investment/store of value [19:01]
Blitzboom gold has ads everywhere [19:01]
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Blitzboom they themselves profit of long-term higher prices [19:01]
coingenuity Blitzboom: ;) [19:01]
chk` hey guys, does anyone know if the difficulty threshold located @ http://alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php is up to date? [19:01]
coingenuity i do not, chk` [19:02]
Graet it is [19:02]
smickles shades: fault? what's wrong with wanting to comply with the law? [19:02]
chk` thanks mates :) [19:02]
kinlo chk`: you can request the current difficulty if you just use one of many tools [19:02]
coingenuity np [19:02]
mircea_popescu blitzboom : that being a prime indicator they;'re in the red. [19:02]
chk` kinlo pardon my ignorance, could you maybe point out a tool? [19:03]
shades it's your patriotic duty to nto comply with laws tha tare unjust or unconstitutional ;) [19:03]
coingenuity ;;bc,diff [19:03]
gribble 1496978.5950256 [19:03]
coingenuity i.e. [19:03]
chk` handy :) thanks [19:03]
coingenuity np ;) [19:03]
kinlo chk`: blockexplorer has tools too [19:03]
kinlo your bitcoin client shows it in getinfo [19:04]
smickles shades: patriotism is for saps who believe the land they walk on conveys some unreal meaning [19:04]
kinlo I just never can remember the syntax for gribble [19:04]
chk` gotcha thanks :) [19:04]
kinlo i hardly remember how to login :p [19:04]
chk` hehe [19:04]
shades w/e give your money away to the man idc [19:04]
shades it's your money [19:04]
kinlo ;;whoami [19:05]
smickles shades: actually i received thousands of dollars for filing my taxes [19:05]
rawrmage lol [19:05]
kinlo eh, it doesn't recognise me ;p [19:05]
kinlo good [19:05]
pigeons smickles: stop [19:05]
coingenuity lol kinlo [19:05]
chk` remote code execution vulnerability in gribble :p [19:05]
kinlo ;;eauth kinlo [19:05]
coingenuity ;;whoami [19:05]
gribble coingenuity [19:05]
coingenuity :) [19:05]
shades nobody says you don't have to pay taxes, just don't claim your btc on that [19:05]
coingenuity shades: you have to, if you make money on it [19:05]
kinlo ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e7530892468edb1d340cfba59170d7aa81d68ded060ba7a83113996a [19:06]
Blitzboom mircea_popescu: you think gox is in the reds?! [19:06]
gribble You are now authenticated for user kinlo with key 374CF79280F5505C [19:06]
coingenuity it's capital gains [19:06]
shades is there any law that pertains to taxes on incom that's in another currency other than tdollars? [19:06]
mircea_popescu i do claim any btc on income forms. [19:06]
Blitzboom mircea_popescu: then why would they expand on the merchant solutions etc.? [19:06]
mircea_popescu ya blitz, what we been talking about for the past 15 mins ? scroll [19:06]
smickles shades: you have to report your gains to be compliant [19:06]
coingenuity shades: it covers it...as a 'transitory medium' or some such [19:06]
mircea_popescu cause that's what you do as a business. try to move into the green [19:06]
Blitzboom ok i’ll read up [19:06]
pigeons this isn't the best place for tax advice, no matter where you live [19:06]
Cusipzzz it's like amazon.com - they lose money on every sale, but they make it up in volume. [19:06]
mircea_popescu lol old don rickles, never dies :D [19:06]
Graet pigeons, ++ [19:06]
coingenuity when an asset changes state and you experience gains relative to initial asset cost you have to declare capital gains but dont ask me...ask your tax man [19:07]
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chk` you dont have to claim it on your taxes if you exchange it to a currency such as Liberty Reserve and just spend the money online [19:07]
mircea_popescu "do not pay taxes" isn't tax advice by any means :D [19:07]
shades Cusipzzz: if you're loosing a dime or are -$.10 on every sale, how is selling 1,000,000 of that going to put you in the green? [19:07]
coingenuity chk`: you do [19:07]
mircea_popescu shades : old jewish joke. [19:07]
Graet chk`, why exchange? i just use btc online :) [19:07]
chk` how so? a liberty reserve account has no personal information stored [19:07]
Cusipzzz shades: was a joke..but pretty much the business plan of every dot com from 1995-2000 [19:07]
pigeons it's funny because it's true [19:07]
coingenuity chk`: legally it would be a villation of cap gains tax law [19:07]
chk` Graet, because btc transactions can be tracked, while LR is anonymous currency [19:08]
shades [19:08]
shades capital gains tax < income tax [19:08]
smickles shades: short term capital gains is taxed as regular income [19:08]
coingenuity point is, if you make money expect to pay some tax on it [19:08]
chk` i guess youre right coingenuity [19:09]
chk` but who will come after you for a few bitcoins [19:09]
coingenuity the IRS <.> [19:09]
chk` and how will they know who you are [19:09]
smickles coingenuity: I don't expect to pay tax on it b/c I have many deductions to nullify it [19:09]
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Graet i have no fear of the IRS they can try all they like :D [19:10]
smickles Graet: arn't you an aussy? [19:10]
Graet yes [19:10]
smickles :D [19:10]
Graet :D [19:10]
coingenuity same smickles [19:10]
smickles Graet: 'Merica will extradite you [19:10]
Graet pfft [19:10]
coingenuity lol [19:10]
chk` im from latvija [19:10]
chk` america dont have shit on me [19:11]
chk` lol [19:11]
imsaguy2 osama said the said thing [19:11]
chk` good luck finding me in the jungle [19:11]
coingenuity if anything, america can bully your country more efficiently...but we wont start down that path [19:11]
chk` osama had the entire nation looking for him [19:11]
chk` lol [19:11]
smickles Graet: well, they've been extaditing ppl for civil offenses ... so why not extradite ppl for tax purposes [19:11]
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coingenuity smickles: LOL they got Paul Hogan [19:11]
coingenuity ;) [19:11]
Graet um i'd have to make income in the us before they could tax me? [19:11]
mircea_popescu lulzy https://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/1b-of-nude-body-scanners-made-worthless-by-blog-how-anyone-can-get-anything-past-the-tsas-nude-body-scanners/ [19:12]
Graet like paul hogan did ;) [19:12]
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Graet yer saw that mircea_popescu pretty cool eh :/ [19:12]
smickles Graet: this is 'Merica, 'merica does as 'merica pleases apparently [19:12]
Cusipzzz that's not a knife...this is a knife. [19:12]
mircea_popescu lol ya [19:12]
smickles 'merica is fucked up [19:13]
chk` Cusipzzz love that movie [19:13]
coingenuity lol Cusipzzz [19:13]
Graet indeed [19:13]
Lunaqus what film? [19:14]
coingenuity croc dundee [19:14]
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phraust lol [19:19]
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chk` i love you all [19:22]
chk` going to physics class [19:22]
chk` bbl [19:22]
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Cory Probable iPad 3 announcement soon. http://live.theverge.com/Event/Live_from_Apples_iPad_3_event_in_San_Francisco :D [19:25]
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bitfoo I was doing this in PM, but it should probably be public: [19:27]
bitfoo rate shakaru-otc -1 Fell through on a mining contract; owes community over 20000 USD: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65989.0 [19:27]
bitfoo ;;rate shakaru-otc -1 Fell through on a mining contract; owes community over 20000 USD: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=65989.0 [19:27]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user shakaru-otc has changed from -1 to -1. [19:27]
imsaguy2 bitfoo, it already is: #bitcoin-otc-ratings [19:28]
imsaguy2 :) [19:28]
bitfoo oh, lol [19:28]
ziglir it's a pornado [19:29]
imsaguy2 bitfoo: plus, people can see the ratings that you give/receive on bitcoin-otc.com [19:29]
bitfoo sure, but noone goes and checks that every day.... [19:29]
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ziglir wo ist der coin [19:31]
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kish lol pornado [19:33]
Lunaqus how do you guys cash out moneypaks? [19:34]
* phraust uses paypal. [19:37]
shades fuckapaypal [19:37]
shades doesn'tpay,notapal [19:37]
* phraust shrugs. [19:38]
shades "oh you're selling btc? let me seize all the omoney in your acct indefinitely!" [19:38]
phraust don't use it for btc. [19:38]
neofutur use it only with very trusted buyers [19:39]
shades don't use paypal FTFY [19:39]
neofutur and no big amounts [19:39]
neofutur using it since 2010 without problems [19:39]
* phraust likes the debit card. [19:40]
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neofutur but I agree paypal is bad [19:40]
shades s/bad/evil/ [19:40]
draco49 whatsup all [19:41]
shades daily paypal hate, that's all. [19:41]
Graet lol [19:41]
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ffsket want to trade moneypak for btc...pm... [19:44]
copumpkin bitfoo: are you bitsinmyhead? [19:45]
bitfoo copumpkin: nope [19:45]
copumpkin ok :) [19:45]
bitfoo copumpkin: but his post triggered me to put up atleast a warning on the otc ratings [19:45]
copumpkin yep [19:45]
imsaguy2 I sent a message to the mods asking for guidance [19:46]
imsaguy2 I think a discussion should occur about the scammer tag [19:46]
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copumpkin yep [19:47]
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bitfoo for shakaru? [19:48]
imsaguy aye [19:48]
bitfoo hmm.. [19:48]
smickles imsaguy: keep me in the loop on that one [19:48]
phraust what happened? [19:49]
mircea_popescu im so curious if/when/how shakaru guy manages to dig himself out of that hole [19:49]
imsaguy read the forums :) [19:49]
smickles phraust: shakaru has a lot of debt, to put it nicely [19:49]
bitcoinTrader imsaguy: u were going to hold the funds [19:49]
bitcoinTrader ? [19:49]
bitcoinTrader thts what I had read last [19:49]
imsaguy heh, all 40 btc so far [19:49]
imsaguy and its looking like part of that is going to be refunded [19:50]
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smickles refunded to shakaru? [19:50]
phraust :P [19:50]
bitfoo lol, why? [19:50]
phraust link? [19:50]
imsaguy shakaru sold a best buy card [19:50]
imsaguy the buyer never got it [19:50]
mircea_popescu jesus. [19:50]
bitfoo *sigh* [19:51]
copumpkin wtf [19:51]
bitcoinTrader agh [19:51]
mircea_popescu wait, wait [19:51]
mircea_popescu shouldn't the buyer be added to the credal table ? :D [19:51]
imsaguy and it happened after the collections [19:51]
bitfoo lol [19:51]
imsaguy no [19:51]
mircea_popescu ehehe [19:51]
mircea_popescu just messin'. [19:51]
bitfoo why would anyone scam on a $25 best buy card [19:51]
imsaguy he didn't scam [19:51]
imsaguy the btc when straight to me [19:51]
imsaguy went* [19:51]
bitfoo yeah, I mean, the buyer didn't receive the card [19:51]
imsaguy he just never shipped [19:51]
imsaguy 'got lost' [19:51]
imsaguy like so many of his other sales [19:52]
bitfoo exactly [19:52]
shades "ugandan's intercepted the shipment" [19:52]
imsaguy to be fair, shakaru hasn't responded to the message yet [19:52]
imsaguy so it could be a mixup [19:52]
imsaguy I have to give the benefit of the doubt [19:52]
mircea_popescu the 100th time. [19:54]
copumpkin that's the thing [19:55]
copumpkin I think he's pretty much up to his limit for benefit of the doubt [19:55]
copumpkin if this gift card really falls through [19:55]
copumpkin I think there's gonna be a pretty big meltdown :P [19:55]
phraust BREAK A DEAL, SPIN THE WHEEL [19:56]
copumpkin now is the time to buy CDSes on shakaru [19:56]
copumpkin no way in hell I'm selling them though [19:56]
Bigpiggy01Mining Bitsinmyhead is a VERY straight guy [19:56]
Valalvax :/ [19:56]
bitfoo Deslok: knock knock [19:56]
Cory Tim's on stage! :D [19:59]
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copumpkin o shit [19:59]
copumpkin Cory: is it bad that I don't really give a fuck? [19:59]
Cory :( [19:59]
imsaguy2 ? [19:59]
copumpkin I got kind of burned out on apple idevices :P [20:00]
Cory This is all I have left now that they've retired the Shuttle! [20:00]
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phraust o snap. [20:00]
copumpkin I'll still buy them, but I don't really get particularly excited about them anymore [20:00]
imsaguy2 lol Cory [20:00]
imsaguy2 Cory: follow the mars rovers [20:00]
ffsket ;;buy 12.38 bitcoin @5.25 usd "moneypak" [20:00]
imsaguy2 they're fun [20:00]
mircea_popescu copumpkin : so there's a meltdown. and ? what exactly can anyone do "? [20:00]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: nothing at all [20:00]
mcorlett ;;getrating ffsket [20:00]
gribble This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated. [20:00]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: they can sue him if he runs [20:00]
mircea_popescu so then no meltdown [20:00]
bitfoo I knew his home address, but then he moved [20:01]
imsaguy2 mircea_popescu: apply cream to their butthurt [20:01]
mircea_popescu kinda exactly that imsaguy2 [20:01]
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mircea_popescu copumpkin : you buying in the etf ? :D [20:01]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: meltdown in the sense of people ripping him to shreds after holding it in cautiously over the past few months [20:01]
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copumpkin mircea_popescu: pfft, I'm a major shareholder! I don't need no stinkin etf [20:01]
copumpkin I still need to sign up for glbse anyway [20:01]
mircea_popescu ehehehe that's the spirit you fatcat you [20:02]
* copumpkin is really fat [20:02]
copumpkin meow [20:02]
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mircea_popescu fatcat is fat ? [20:02]
copumpkin yep [20:02]
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copumpkin longcat is long [20:02]
mircea_popescu fatfatcat [20:02]
mircea_popescu sounds like an azn dish [20:02]
mircea_popescu heck, maybe it IS an azn dish [20:02]
copumpkin lol [20:02]
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mircea_popescu i still can scarcely believe people would pour 20k usd into the guy [20:03]
mircea_popescu srsly. [20:03]
copumpkin they did so individually [20:03]
mircea_popescu that's enough to buy outright a poor ukrainian girl and fuck her silly for ~5 years or so. [20:03]
copumpkin lol [20:03]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: please, no :P [20:03]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: You wouldn't! [20:03]
kish i may buy a nice asian [20:03]
mircea_popescu and those have long legs, too, mind you. [20:03]
copumpkin kish: please, no [20:03]
mircea_popescu all the buying aside, it's a lot of money. [20:04]
* mircea_popescu envisages all panhandlers in ny moving to btc [20:04]
mcorlett copumpkin wants you to support American women. [20:04]
copumpkin next thing we know, the news will be reporting that "bitcoin has expanded beyond the illegal drug trade and is now the currency of choice for human trafficking and sex work" [20:04]
mircea_popescu the news have no relation to reality anyway anymore [20:04]
mircea_popescu what diff does it make [20:04]
mircea_popescu besides, illegal drugs have been the currency of choice for prostitution for > 100 years now [20:05]
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mircea_popescu Andrew is trying to make us believe that he is only left with a few card because he was scammed by some other members on this forum and that a lot of the cards has been sent back for RMA. Is anyone here stupid enough to think he was scammed out of this much or that so many of his cards did not work? [20:06]
Graet thats a worry copumpkin [20:07]
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mircea_popescu now this is a congent point. guy should have > 100 cards around. [20:07]
Graet taking the title from the usd n all [20:07]
Graet :P [20:07]
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copumpkin :) [20:07]
Graet if it takes the illegal weapons title as well wont be much left to do with usd [20:08]
Graet <.< [20:08]
Graet >.> [20:08]
phraust yay, siri can speak nihongo! [20:08]
DBordello Are GPU heatsinks designed for thermal "pads", not thermal grease? [20:08]
marcj_ i want to buy $100 USD in bitcoins. [20:08]
* phraust gets some lotion. [20:08]
DBordello I have a heatsink that just doesn't make good contact with the GPU [20:08]
Cory How can you pay, marcj_? [20:08]
marcj_ moneypak [20:08]
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mircea_popescu i think if they're metalic they're supposed to work with that white silicon thermo thing [20:09]
mircea_popescu but im not a miner so feel free to ignore me. [20:09]
phraust i just goop up everything. [20:10]
phraust but I have no idea if that is "correct". [20:10]
DBordello hah [20:10]
DBordello that is what I just did [20:10]
DBordello it seems to help [20:10]
smickles mircea_popescu: how do you know such things? [20:10]
phraust ls [20:11]
smickles mircea_popescu: RE: the poor ukrainian girl [20:11]
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boredom hello [20:11]
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boredom have BTC, need LR [20:11]
marcj_ $100 USD MoneyPak for btc, anyone? [20:12]
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mircea_popescu i used to live in costa rica. moved to romania for two reasons. [20:12]
mircea_popescu one of them was the fact the us was going to shit. [20:12]
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smickles ya don't say [20:13]
shades romania? doesn't romania suck? [20:14]
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mircea_popescu not at all shades. [20:14]
mircea_popescu My last bad experience with him was just before this thread was started, when he promised me a CPU as payment for one of the remaining months of the contract. He claims it was sent February 16th, but it has not shown up yet. I have received about 200 packages from the US over the last 5 years and none have disappeared before. I also know the people working at the post office here and they say it is very rare for anything to be this slow through t [20:14]
mircea_popescu he mail. Seems like other people in the thread also have had problems with stuff not showing up through mail from Andrew. [20:14]
mircea_popescu hows that sound copumpin imsaguy2 ? [20:14]
copumpkin romania is greatest nation on earth. much better than bulgaria, and we have better potassium too [20:14]
marcj_ does anyone here actually trade MoneyPak for BTC? [20:14]
mircea_popescu happens all the time marcj_ [20:15]
mircea_popescu ;;ident marcj_ [20:15]
mircea_popescu helps if you id tho [20:15]
terry i'm still amazed he hasn't received the scammer tag [20:15]
terry empty promise after empty promise [20:15]
mircea_popescu he seems to "soft" scamming, and the community seems to be lapping it up. [20:15]
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mircea_popescu huge diff between zhou tong who PAID EVERYONE and stuck around and this guy, who just sticks around [20:16]
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shades mircea_popescu: what are the extradition lwas like with the us? [20:16]
mircea_popescu if he's making 20k a year from sticking around he'd be a fool not to. [20:16]
semprum ;;gpg eauth semprum [20:16]
terry and now he has the balls to launch a new venture, and an extremely risky one at that [20:16]
mircea_popescu shades : sorta same as all over europe. why do you ask ? [20:16]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: especially since everyone knows who he is, and he lives in the US [20:17]
shades curious [20:17]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: so it's also good for his legal situation if he can keep his creditors happy enough to not sue him [20:17]
semprum ;;gpg everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:3b34b070deb6f974a38d74decc2e71f3a5f22c380234e1afa95ba4f9 [20:17]
gribble You are now authenticated for user semprum with key FBF4126202C6C899 [20:17]
mircea_popescu ocasionally the fbi will ask for some guy involved in some bank/etc hacking incident [20:17]
kakobrekla who is soft scamming [20:17]
mircea_popescu they get them a month or two later [20:17]
smickles heh, i mean, if shakaru's a scammer, i fell for it, but didn't really lose too much :/ [20:17]
marcj_ how do I buy bitcoins here lol [20:18]
mircea_popescu copumpkin : he'd have a great career open as a casino entertainer if he grew nice tits. [20:18]
smickles marcj_: make a deal with someone [20:18]
copumpkin smickles: either that or he's terribly irresponsible/stupid [20:18]
copumpkin mircea_popescu: you should suggest that [20:18]
mircea_popescu lol, would the btc community spring for the plastic surgery ? [20:18]
smickles copumpkin: do you know how long I should expect to wait for mtgox aml issues to settle? [20:18]
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boredom marcj, i have BTC. too bad i can't take moneypak [20:18]
copumpkin smickles: nope, sorry :/ [20:19]
mircea_popescu what issues are those smickles ? [20:19]
smickles mircea_popescu: shakaru says that his mtgox acct has withdrawals frozen due to mtgox aml issues [20:19]
mircea_popescu seems like something he'd say [20:20]
copumpkin then he should get mtux to verify that claim [20:20]
smickles and he still owes me for something like 5 sales of the bot [20:20]
mircea_popescu in general people have been able to resolve it within 24 hours [20:20]
copumpkin since mtux can tell us if shakaru allows him [20:20]
mircea_popescu of actually supplying docvuments [20:20]
mircea_popescu at least so i hear. [20:20]
copumpkin smickles: did dan^2 end up keeping it? [20:20]
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DBordello I had my account locked for AML yesterday [20:21]
DBordello it took a little over a day to resolve [20:21]
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mircea_popescu smickles : how much did you actually in fact collected in your hand and how much was the deal for ? [20:22]
smickles copumpkin: dandan paid, and i received my portion of that payment [20:23]
Cory Retina display! [20:23]
smickles it displays pieces of eyeballs? [20:23]
smickles srsly? [20:23]
smickles why? [20:23]
marcj_ Can anyone take MoneyPak for BTC? [20:23]
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smickles marcj_: anyone in 'Merica should be able to [20:24]
neofutur DBordello: happy i could speed up your support request ;) [20:24]
smickles marcj_: you may want to look in the book [20:24]
DBordello ne0futur, thanks :) [20:24]
smickles neofutur: you have something to do with gox, right? [20:25]
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Cory 2048 x 1536 [20:25]
neofutur smickles: check my cloak :p [20:25]
smickles ah [20:25]
neofutur i m not an employee but seill a service to mtgox as an independant worker [20:25]
smickles well, neofutur, so you can't say anything about the status of shakaru's gox account? [20:26]
neofutur I dont have access to an sensitive data, not being in japan [20:26]
mircea_popescu lol mtgox is yakuza insured [20:26]
mircea_popescu have to be in japan! [20:26]
neofutur but I help for 24/24 irc support, being on the other side of the world [20:26]
neofutur and 2 or 3 other things [20:26]
smickles neofutur: could you make the appropriate quries to the appropriate people? [20:26]
copumpkin smickles: ah, okay [20:26]
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rawrmage iq [20:27]
neofutur smickles: query ? [20:27]
smickles neofutur: as in ask the question [20:27]
phraust oooh. quad core. [20:27]
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rawrmage oops [20:27]
rawrmage this isn't mutt [20:27]
neofutur smickles: I still dont understand, ask what ? [20:28]
smickles rawrmage: did you just tap your foot in the neighboring stall? [20:28]
rawrmage lol [20:28]
boredom nanotube buys BTC right.. i saw it on the orderbook.. but i can't PM him :( [20:28]
Cory phraust: "first new feature" :OOOOOO [20:28]
smickles neofutur: ask if shakaru's mtgox account is really 'frozen' [20:28]
phraust :D [20:28]
copumpkin neofutur: or ask shakaru for permission to tell us [20:29]
copumpkin since if it really is, it's in his interest to tell us [20:29]
smickles that too [20:29]
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neofutur ask shakaru to ask on #mtgox or query me [20:29]
neofutur I cant yet guess problems no one ask for [20:29]
neofutur (20:19) < DBordello> I had my account locked for AML yesterday [20:30]
neofutur (20:19) < DBordello> it took a little over a day to resolve [20:30]
neofutur when you ask problems are solved [20:30]
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copumpkin this isn't an attack on mtgox [20:31]
copumpkin we want to check shakaru's story because many think he's dishonest [20:31]
bitcoinTrader neofutur:lol [20:31]
copumpkin :) [20:31]
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neofutur ( followup on #mtgox ) [20:33]
Cory 4G [20:33]
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bitfoo Cory: ipad 3? [20:34]
copumpkin yep [20:34]
Cory copumpkin's not impressed by anything. [20:34]
copumpkin nah, I might get one [20:35]
copumpkin I'm wondering if they're throwing that haptic feedback mechanism in [20:35]
copumpkin that's on the rumor mill [20:35]
smickles 21:33 < smickles> i have contacted him, waiting on a responce [20:35]
smickles 21:34 <@neofutur> and anyway, i m pretty sure mtgox can legally disclose information only to the owner account . . . [20:35]
Cory I don't think it'll have any new haptic technology. [20:35]
copumpkin they did phrase it as "new things to see and touch" [20:35]
smickles 21:34 <@neofutur> s/can/can t [20:35]
smickles 21:35 < smickles> oh, he says that it's not his account that's frozen, and he's working on the issue now [20:35]
Cory I can't wait to see the display. [20:35]
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mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejlCv9pAiHY << for the lulz. [20:38]
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MBS lol [20:39]
MBS http://slickdeals.net/f/4037372-world-of-warcraft-free-level-80-mount-and-transfer-to-your-server-14-99-scroll-of-ressurection [20:39]
rawrmage lol [20:39]
mircea_popescu smickles> 21:35 < smickles> oh, he says that it's not his account that's frozen, and he's working on the issue now <<< jesus god. [20:39]
smickles the next message was better [20:39]
mircea_popescu this guy could be hired as a teacher for scamschool. [20:40]
Cory March 16! [20:40]
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copumpkin Cory: eww, they're keeping the 16GB baseline [20:40]
copumpkin why aren't they upgrading storage [20:40]
Cory Must be expensive. :( [20:41]
Cory They need to keep that $500 sweet spot. [20:41]
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copumpkin I'm gonna buy one for bitcoins [20:42]
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copumpkin :P [20:42]
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smickles lol, i was going to ask that someone send me their now 'worthless' ipad2, but then i realized that i don't really want one even if it's free [20:42]
Cory So what's this thing going to be called? [20:42]
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Cory "The new iPad"? [20:42]
phraust i might actually get one. [20:42]
phraust give the kids the old one. [20:43]
rawrmage the iPad 123123123 [20:43]
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rawrmage the iPad++ [20:43]
rawrmage the iPad S [20:43]
smickles the iPad 11 [20:43]
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mircea_popescu the iplaid [20:44]
pigeons MaxiPad [20:45]
Cory I don't think I can justify having an iPhone and an iPad. : [20:46]
mircea_popescu the ipox [20:46]
phraust tis nice. [20:46]
copumpkin Cory: for bitcoins! [20:46]
phraust good for coffeeshops. [20:46]
mircea_popescu girls have tits AND ass, why can't a fellow have ipad and iphone ?! [20:46]
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pigeons a fellow can, but not a straight fellow [20:47]
mircea_popescu well that goes without saying. [20:47]
errydayimgenerat ;;eauth errydayimgenerat [20:48]
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nagie m [20:52]
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errydayimgenerat seeking a loan, good return [20:58]
Cory New reason? [20:58]
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errydayimgenerat i slackassed getting my id scanned for paxum [20:58]
neofutur wow now MPOE have a doctype [20:59]
errydayimgenerat instead of doing it monday like i should've i did it today [20:59]
neofutur and a charset [20:59]
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bitcoinTrader lawsuit [21:02]
bitcoinTrader http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/dmr/index.php/2012/03/06/bitcoin-exchanges-files-lawsuit-against-dwolla/ [21:02]
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mircea_popescu neofutur : did since the new version, earelier this week [21:05]
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mircea_popescu kinda old news bitcointrader [21:05]
neofutur happy you did ;) doctype nd charset seem important ;) [21:05]
mircea_popescu ;;ident errydayimgenerat [21:05]
gribble Nick 'errydayimgenerat', with hostmask 'errydayimgenerat!~nicole@phl-69-171-168-49.evdo.leapwireless.net', is identified as user errydayimgenerat, with GPG key id C7C3F3750594495A, and key fingerprint 7A60083422FB48F3B4F681FEC7C3F3750594495A. [21:05]
neofutur and the doctype probably helped you to get even more validation errors ;) [21:06]
mircea_popescu as i said at the time, i doctype shopped to optimize the error count yes. [21:06]
mircea_popescu errydayimgenerat how much you need ? [21:06]
errydayimgenerat what the fuck is up with these kids screaming [21:07]
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shades WHOAH dwolla got charged?!?!? [21:07]
shades what happened? should i pull my money out?! [21:07]
mircea_popescu doh [21:07]
mircea_popescu this has been the big news for 2 days now. [21:07]
ffsket anyone wanna exchange btc for mp?...order id is 7115..brb a sec [21:07]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67625.0 [21:07]
chk` what happened to dwolla? [21:08]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67680.0 too [21:08]
chk` not to be a dick, but this is why i said people should use liberty reserve earlier :P [21:08]
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mircea_popescu turns out paypal = dwolla in the end [21:08]
chk` da dum tiss!! [21:08]
errydayimgenerat i'm lookin for ~200$ loan [21:09]
chk` in btc? [21:09]
errydayimgenerat i'll be able to get back 250 [21:09]
errydayimgenerat preferably moneys [21:09]
chk` cash? [21:09]
errydayimgenerat yeah [21:09]
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chk` define moneys [21:09]
chk` wtf [21:09]
errydayimgenerat usd [21:10]
chk` sorry i could do LR [21:10]
chk` or btc [21:10]
errydayimgenerat cash deposit to wells fargo would be ideal [21:10]
chk` if i send you cash how do i know youre not selling drugs [21:10]
errydayimgenerat because i don't [21:11]
chk` word [21:11]
errydayimgenerat i need to get stuff for new apartment room [21:11]
errydayimgenerat waiting on a wire from paxum [21:11]
shades mircea_popescu: can you give a quick tl;dr on dowalla? [21:11]
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chk` i second that [21:12]
chk` lol [21:12]
chk` englighten us mircea_popescu [21:12]
mircea_popescu dwolla originalyl advertised a "no chargebacks" then when chargebacks hit they went back and edited their policy [21:12]
mircea_popescu as well as acct statements retroactively and silently [21:12]
errydayimgenerat tradehill is pissy they got chargebacks from dwolla [21:12]
mircea_popescu th is sueing for direct, indirect, consequential damages, various torts and so on [21:12]
mircea_popescu for like 2mn [21:12]
chk` nice [21:12]
mircea_popescu have a decent lawyer who filed a suit [21:13]
mircea_popescu in california [21:13]
chk` so th is attacking them [21:13]
chk` i hope they have a big budget [21:13]
chk` paypal is a giant [21:13]
shades who do you think will win? [21:13]
mircea_popescu dwolla answered that they got no actual service yet and that th is just seeking publicity, also suggested that bitcoin is a fraud/th is a fraud. [21:13]
mircea_popescu i honestly have no ideea, but i imagine the lawyers mostly. [21:14]
mircea_popescu the suit might be settled, dwolla is tiny and has it's own problems. [21:14]
chk` what do they mean by "fraud" lol [21:14]
mircea_popescu just that/ [21:14]
chk` fraud can mean a lot of different thing [21:14]
chk` things* [21:14]
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mircea_popescu basically tried to say that th/bitcoin consists of people in the business of carding. [21:15]
chk` i hope this doesnt make the value go down [21:15]
chk` that doesnt make sense [21:15]
chk` you cant buy btc with a credit card? [21:15]
mircea_popescu hey, dwolla makes remarkably little sense. [21:15]
errydayimgenerat http://i41.tinypic.com/15phc46.jpg [21:16]
chk` they will probably try to settle out of court and just pay back the dues [21:16]
errydayimgenerat proof of me assets [21:16]
mircea_popescu may be they settkle for a few k's yes [21:16]
errydayimgenerat Cory: [21:16]
mircea_popescu few hundred k's i mean. [21:17]
ffsket can anyone exchange my 65.00 usd Mp for 12.3 btc? [21:17]
mircea_popescu ;;ident ffsket [21:19]
gribble Nick 'ffsket', with hostmask 'ffsket!~ffsket@c-75-67-180-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net', is identified as user ffsket, with GPG key id F29E15014ADAA4B6, and key fingerprint 41A371089AB93F415352444FF29E15014ADAA4B6. [21:19]
Cory iPad 2 $100 price drop! [21:20]
Cory Oh man what if they stop using numbers like Amazon did with the Kindle? :O [21:21]
psymin iPad $2100 price drop?! [21:21]
errydayimgenerat cory would you still be interested in doing a loan? [21:21]
pigeons i'll buy one when they add usb [21:21]
psymin pigeons: promise? [21:22]
pigeons no [21:22]
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errydayimgenerat looking for a high return short term 200$ usd loan [21:23]
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Cory Oh man. No name! [21:24]
Cory Just "the new iPad!" [21:24]
pigeons iPad Classic, new low price [21:25]
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errydayimgenerat 200$ loan, 250$ return :) [21:28]
psymin I'm still grumpy they took the name iOS [21:28]
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Blitzboom errydayimgenerat: how long? [21:29]
errydayimgenerat less than a week [21:29]
pigeons yeah I get confused when I see headlines like "vim compiled for ios" and I think cool, then I realise its for apple [21:29]
errydayimgenerat as soon as this paxum wire goes through [21:29]
errydayimgenerat 3 business days [21:29]
Valalvax Hell, and I thought I was gonna be generous paying someone 10 dollars for a quickie loan [21:30]
psymin pigeons: vim for iOS? I .. but .. what? [21:30]
Blitzboom ah, i turn down. i need all the money i need on gox probably in the near future [21:30]
Blitzboom all the money i have* [21:30]
errydayimgenerat so may be friday (hopefully) could b monday [21:30]
Blitzboom but 25% interest rate sure is good, someone should take that up [21:31]
errydayimgenerat espescially for that duration [21:31]
errydayimgenerat but i'm looking for preferably wells fargo -> wells fargo wire or cash deposit [21:32]
Cory Yeah, they totally stole it from Nintendo. >:( [21:32]
errydayimgenerat cory you still interestted? [21:32]
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Cory I don't think so, errydayimgenerat, sorry. :( [21:33]
errydayimgenerat meh [21:33]
pigeons apple is paying cisco to license the name ios, but at first they just "assumed" it would be cool [21:33]
neofutur wow 25$ interest in one week ;( [21:33]
neofutur 25% [21:33]
Cory I still don't quite understand how you would get the money back to the lender as soon as the wire clears. [21:33]
neofutur i wont find a cheap loan with this kind of competition ;( [21:33]
errydayimgenerat hm [21:34]
errydayimgenerat good point [21:34]
Cory Unless they use Wells Fargo. [21:34]
errydayimgenerat well there's that [21:34]
errydayimgenerat or i could shoot to dwolla/paypal or even western union if i have to [21:34]
Cory How would the lender get the money to you? [21:34]
Cory BTC? [21:35]
errydayimgenerat cash deposit? [21:35]
neofutur I shouldnt have repaid my 1%/week loan, i could have lent you :p [21:35]
errydayimgenerat at a wells fargo [21:35]
Cory I don't know how those work if one of the parties doesn't use the same bank. Wouldn't it just be a wire like Paxum? [21:35]
Elio19 Hi all, I'm new here and I want to start off with small transactions, does anyone have a Waffles.fm invite they could sell me? [21:36]
errydayimgenerat you could just go to a bank and deposit money into my account [21:36]
Cory Yeah, it would be a lot more convenient if you could find somebody with Wells Fargo. [21:36]
Cory errydayimgenerat: Really? Immediately? [21:36]
errydayimgenerat yeah [21:36]
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errydayimgenerat i've had people do cash deposit exchanges for me [21:36]
Cory Wow. I'll look that up. [21:37]
errydayimgenerat and i could do the same to return it too [21:37]
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errydayimgenerat you just go to a wells fargo and make a deposit in my name [21:37]
Cory Oh, a Wells Fargo. [21:37]
pigeons i've done that too Cory [21:37]
errydayimgenerat then when my wire goes through i'll make a deposit in your name at your bank if possible [21:37]
Cory You can do it if it's the same financial institution. [21:37]
errydayimgenerat wait what you mean? [21:38]
Cory I use a local credit union. [21:38]
errydayimgenerat ah [21:38]
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Cory My closest Wells Fargo is 20 miles away. [21:39]
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Cory I'm just trying to clear things up for any possible lenders. [21:40]
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errydayimgenerat lthat's far :( [21:40]
errydayimgenerat where do you live nowheresville? [21:40]
shades I see your nowheresville, and I raise you a remote mountain side in bumfukistan. [21:41]
MBS anyone want to buy a movie ticket voucher (one for just john carter (should have another one wednesday too, but max $8, so probably no 3d), the other to see any movie), or a 12 month xbox live code for $36 or reserve a $10 drugstore.com, $5 crispy creme, or $5 coldstone creamery gift card? Also want to sell an xbox 360 harmony remote, also want a sell 1/3 of a kimsufi 24G, KVM VPS with ~7GB ram, 600GB HDD, access to 6 threads of i7, ~$30 but kinda DIY, wi [21:41]
MBS ndows can also probably be installed on it [21:41]
errydayimgenerat shades you interested? [21:42]
MBS lol, the closest wells fargo from here is in texas :| [21:42]
shades no [21:42]
bitcoinTrader buying LR [21:43]
bitcoinTrader for btc/mtgox usd/paypal [21:43]
errydayimgenerat hm [21:43]
errydayimgenerat western union fee is only 27$ [21:44]
errydayimgenerat i'd be willing to do that [21:44]
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pigeons fee is probably cheaper than that if someone goes to a western union location, maybe that's the fee for online [21:46]
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errydayimgenerat yeah that's online fee [21:46]
nicksynicksy_ ffsket [21:46]
errydayimgenerat most defs would be cheaper if i went to a location [21:47]
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* neofutur hates western union even more than paypal [21:48]
neofutur you guys already heard of xoom ? [21:48]
neofutur https://www.xoom.com/ [21:48]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term 200$ usd loan with 250$ return [21:48]
neofutur less evil and cheaper than WU [21:48]
nicksynicksy_ https://www.xoom.com/ is very good [21:48]
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neofutur Istill wonder why no one uses it for btc [21:48]
Blitzboom did you mean to say https://www.xoom.com/ ? [21:48]
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nicksynicksy_ ffsket are you there? [21:49]
ffsket yes [21:49]
nicksynicksy_ hi [21:49]
nicksynicksy_ drop out [21:49]
nicksynicksy_ soz [21:49]
ffsket np [21:49]
ffsket fk i havent used irc in 5 years [21:49]
neofutur it works well but someimes you have tell the bank "yes you have a deal with xoom and I wont leave until you give me my fucking money" [21:49]
ffsket this is so cumbersome right no [21:50]
nicksynicksy_ nice talking to you [21:50]
neofutur many local branches never used them so sometinmes its hard [21:50]
Cory Are they not in the US? [21:51]
neofutur everywhere afaik [21:51]
Cory Their site doesn't mention the US. :( [21:51]
ffsket no one will trade me some btc for my paltry 65 usd mp ? :( [21:51]
Cory Oh, but it's an option when you sign up. [21:52]
Cory Is there a way to check if my bank is supported without signing up? [21:52]
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neofutur https://www.xoom.com/xoom-locations [21:53]
neofutur but yes US is not in the list [21:53]
neofutur ( and its a US company afaik ) [21:53]
Cory Weird. [21:54]
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neofutur yup its strange [21:54]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term 200$ usd wells fargo loan with 250$ return in less than a week [21:54]
neofutur https://twitter.com/#!/xoom [21:56]
neofutur tweet them to ask ;) [21:56]
neofutur cheaper than phon [21:56]
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neofutur looks like yo ucan send from Us but not to US . . . [21:57]
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vragnaroda errydayimgenerat: I didn't know you dealt in pesos! [22:03]
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errydayimgenerat pesos wat [22:03]
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mircea_popescu so hmm, i hold a loan that was supposed to be repaid on the 7th (ie today). Im guessing thats still a few hours tops, but anyway, what's the procedure in case ? just wot neg the person ? [22:04]
vragnaroda errydayimgenerat: You used $ as a postfix symbol. [22:04]
rawrmage vragnaroda: give me 100£ [22:04]
errydayimgenerat whatever [22:04]
vragnaroda errydayimgenerat: That means pesos, not dollars. :p [22:04]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term $200$ usd wells fargo loan with $250 return in less than a week [22:04]
rawrmage lol [22:04]
vragnaroda rawrmage: I'm using a connection with no Unicode support right now, so that's a diamond with a question mark. :( [22:05]
rawrmage *gasp* [22:06]
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mircea_popescu wow lol [22:06]
mircea_popescu ;;rate BTChero 1 repaid early on small loan. [22:06]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user BTChero has been recorded. [22:06]
vragnaroda rawrmage: I do that fairly often. [22:07]
vragnaroda I just try not to let anyone know. [22:07]
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rawrmage ωραγ ψαν'τ σεε τηισ‽ [22:08]
errydayimgenerat fuck [22:08]
vragnaroda rawrmage: wat [22:09]
[eval] "vrag won't see this" transliterated into greek? :P [22:09]
rawrmage hehe [22:09]
Staatsfeind That's not a very good transliteration. [22:10]
[eval] i heart utf-8 [22:10]
Staatsfeind [eval]: You mean you ♥ it‽ [22:10]
[eval] yes :D [22:10]
Staatsfeind You mean ☺? [22:11]
rawrmage °w° [22:11]
mircea_popescu you two belong in caligraphy class together. [22:12]
plato anyone selling silver or namecoins [22:12]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term $200$ usd wells fargo loan with $250 return in less than a week [22:12]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: I actually hate Unicode and would rather scrap it and come up with something sane. [22:13]
mircea_popescu hear hear. [22:13]
Staatsfeind It's just, like IPA, shitty and the best we have so far. [22:13]
mircea_popescu unicode is worse than ipa [22:13]
errydayimgenerat oh fucking finally [22:13]
errydayimgenerat paxum is verifiedd [22:13]
mircea_popescu wd! [22:13]
errydayimgenerat i can send someone paxum for wells fargo too :) [22:14]
errydayimgenerat if for some reason they still got a paxum acct open [22:14]
errydayimgenerat at the same rate :) [22:14]
errydayimgenerat or if they wanna make an account [22:14]
errydayimgenerat it's fairly easy to verify if you have a scanner :p [22:16]
errydayimgenerat eheh eh? [22:17]
rawrmage "it's fairly easy to verify if you are a scammer :P" <- what I read [22:18]
errydayimgenerat learn your m fron n's [22:18]
mcorlett ;;view [22:19]
gribble #7102 Wed Mar 7 05:39:38 2012 mcorlett SELL 50.0 BTC @ 4.1251 PPEUR (None) [22:19]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term $200$ usd wells fargo loan with $250 return in less than a week [22:22]
mircea_popescu lmao $200$ ahahaha [22:25]
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rawrmage $$$$BUY NOW$$$$ [22:26]
shades $$$DON'T DELAY, UY TODAY$$$ [22:26]
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smickles rmunroe, here? [22:33]
smickles really? [22:33]
copumpkin he's always here [22:33]
rawrmage watching you [22:33]
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smickles copumpkin: huh, i've never noticed [22:33]
rg copumpkin: got any more money in your ally? [22:34]
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rg bra? [22:34]
copumpkin rg: $8 [22:34]
rg brahhhhhhhhhhh [22:34]
errydayimgenerat kehhhhhhh [22:34]
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errydayimgenerat :) [22:37]
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jcpham errydayimgenerat what is this wells fargo loan [22:38]
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errydayimgenerat well [22:38]
errydayimgenerat lookin for a cash deposit into wells fargo [22:38]
jcpham the bank? [22:38]
errydayimgenerat then when my paxum wire comes through [22:38]
errydayimgenerat yeah [22:39]
errydayimgenerat i can either buy bitcoins [22:39]
errydayimgenerat or western union back to you [22:39]
errydayimgenerat or something [22:39]
ffsket anyone take moneypak for btc? [22:39]
jcpham so i could just go to the bank and ask for a deposit slip, you give me the number [22:39]
errydayimgenerat yeah [22:39]
errydayimgenerat not even ask, they have them posted out [22:39]
errydayimgenerat just filli n my infos [22:40]
errydayimgenerat and make a deposit [22:40]
jcpham ;;getrating errydayimgenerat [22:40]
gribble User errydayimgenerat, created on Sun Jan 29 09:31:28 2012. Cumulative rating 18, from 8 total ratings. Received ratings: 8 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 8 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=errydayimgenerat Currently authenticated from hostmask errydayimgenerat!~nicole@phl-69-171-168-49.evdo.leapwireless.net [22:40]
smickles your first trade ffsket ? [22:40]
errydayimgenerat ;;getrating errydayimgenerating [22:40]
gribble User ErryDayImGenerating, created on Sun May 8 06:31:07 2011. Cumulative rating 26, from 10 total ratings. Received ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=ErryDayImGenerating Currently not authenticated. [22:40]
errydayimgenerat i had an old key too :( [22:40]
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errydayimgenerat but i lost it on other puter [22:40]
ffsket yes, first trade [22:40]
errydayimgenerat well left it [22:40]
ffsket used to do dwolla--->cbx...dislike it [22:41]
ffsket so i bought an mp [22:41]
smickles ffsket: what size mp? [22:41]
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ffsket small, 65.00usd. i have cash on hand and am looking to do this regularly, i just bought a small one yesterday with cash on hand to test it out.. [22:42]
nicksynicksy_ ffsket is a good person i have just spoke with him for nearly 2 hours lol [22:42]
ffsket :P [22:42]
smickles ffsket: do you have the receipt? [22:43]
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ffsket somewhere...let me check. i can tell you when and in what part of the country i purchased it from [22:43]
ffsket brb... [22:43]
bruzum så suger jag ur hennes hände [22:44]
smickles ffsket: as i understand it, there is the posibility of MP contacting me to ask for a number off of the receipt if I use the mp [22:44]
ffsket yeah, i kno [22:44]
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ffsket i got really fkced up on ketamine last night...its somewhere...just need to find it.... [22:45]
smickles heh, i hear ketamin will do that [22:45]
ffsket i am developing a minor problem, and yes, it will [22:45]
bruzum C C [22:46]
helo ketamine causes olney's lesions :( [22:47]
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helo find a drug that doesn't cause brain damage okplzthx [22:48]
ne0futur +1 [22:49]
ageis crawl out from that k-hole [22:50]
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smickles ;;view 7096 [22:51]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [22:51]
rg wow [22:51]
rg its like 50F out [22:51]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term $200 usd wells fargo loan with $250 return in less than a week [22:51]
ffsket smickles: cannot locate reciept [22:51]
rawrmage rg: its like 21° C here [22:51]
ffsket i only can give you the number, what part of country i purchased it in, amount, and date purchased [22:51]
rg rawrmage [22:52]
smickles ffsket: well, i'm not interest in pursuing negotion further if you cannot furnish the receipt [22:52]
rg you like in america god damn it [22:52]
rg live* [22:52]
rawrmage fine [22:52]
rg celcius does not exist [22:52]
rawrmage it's like 68° F here [22:52]
rawrmage yes it does [22:52]
smickles rawrmage: you use irssi, correct? [22:52]
rawrmage smickles: yes [22:52]
rg Feels Like: 58° [22:52]
ffsket understood.... [22:53]
rg tomorrow high of 62 [22:53]
rg high of 62?! WHAT [22:53]
smickles rawrmage: how do you enter those fancy pants characters so easily? [22:53]
ffsket ill get back at you if i find it , but its in a black hole area of my house.. [22:53]
rawrmage smickles: compose key [22:53]
rg cum pose key [22:53]
Staatsfeind 15:51 <+ rawrmage> | rg: its like 21° C here ← What's that in American? [22:53]
copumpkin rg: it's 15:53 now, and it's time you started using celsius [22:53]
rawrmage smickles: 15:52 <+rawrmage> it's like 68° F here [22:53]
rawrmage Staatsfeind* [22:53]
rg CUM POSE [22:53]
smickles Staatsfeind: * 'Merican [22:53]
copumpkin Staatsfeind: surel you mean 3:51 PM in murhcan [22:54]
rawrmage rg: do you like it when I use my cum pose [22:54]
rawrmage inb4 i get kicked [22:54]
Staatsfeind It's 520°R. [22:54]
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smickles R? [22:54]
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smickles lol [22:54]
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rawrmage SORRY [22:55]
rg stupid fag [22:55]
Staatsfeind smickles: Yes, °R. [22:55]
smickles lol [22:55]
Staatsfeind ;;wp Rankine scale [22:55]
gribble http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rankine_scale | Rankine is a thermodynamic (absolute) temperature scale named after the Glasgow University engineer and physicist William John Macquorn Rankine, who ... [22:55]
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Staatsfeind Rankine:Fahrenheit::Centigrade:Kelvin [22:56]
Staatsfeind Er, that's backward [22:56]
Staatsfeind Rankine:Fahrenheit::Kelvin:Centigrade [22:56]
rawrmage it's like 294 Kelvin out [22:57]
rawrmage so unseasonably warm [22:57]
ffsket smickles: can i go to 7/11, charge more on this card, then get a new receipt? [22:57]
rg rawrmage: if it snows i can build you a shelter [22:58]
rawrmage lol [22:58]
errydayimgenerat you can go to the future? [22:58]
ffsket stop trying to troll [22:58]
ffsket im asking question because im new [22:58]
ffsket to this [22:59]
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Staatsfeind ;;convert 294 K to R [22:59]
gribble 529.2 [22:59]
ffsket all i want to know is since i cannot locate my receipt, can i take my loaded mp card and put more cash on the same card, thus producing a new receipt? [23:00]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: What the fuck‽ That's warm. Are you a Mexican? [23:00]
ffsket or will i have to get a new card [23:00]
Staatsfeind Stay in Mexico. [23:00]
Staatsfeind :þ [23:00]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: nau i live in maryland [23:00]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: Close 'nuff. [23:01]
rawrmage they both start with m though [23:01]
rawrmage yea [23:01]
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rawrmage it was like 277 K yesterday too O.o [23:01]
Staatsfeind Closer to Mexico than I am. [23:01]
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Staatsfeind Oh, it was like 490°R here yesterday. It's much warmer today. [23:02]
Staatsfeind ;;convert 277 K to R [23:02]
gribble 498.6 [23:02]
Staatsfeind About the same difference (and I mean that literally; not the idiomatic sense). [23:02]
* rawrmage postulates that this temperature increase is not a localized phenomenon [23:02]
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mircea_popescu ffsket : new card, and ALWAYS keep receipts for mp [23:03]
* Staatsfeind opens the window. [23:03]
ffsket i did...i thought...came out of a k-hole last night and now i cant find it [23:03]
rawrmage lol [23:03]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term $200 usd wells fargo loan with $250 return in less than a week [23:04]
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smickles © [23:05]
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smickles mwahahah [23:05]
smickles 360° [23:05]
ffsket btw, rawr, out of curiosity, did u play gw? [23:05]
* smickles feels young again [23:05]
ffsket like 4 years ago [23:05]
ffsket meh, there was a gold caped rawr and i knew a bunch, nvm [23:06]
ffsket peace [23:06]
nicksynicksy_ smickles wont know body take mp with out the receipt?? [23:07]
smickles nicksynicksy_: some people do [23:07]
nicksynicksy_ thanks smickles [23:07]
nicksynicksy_ who ? [23:07]
mircea_popescu If the directors of Dwolla have some sort of functioning collective brain, they should quickly and promptly settle this issue with Dwolla before it is even brought up to trial or court settlement. They DO NOT want this on their records, but the guy that started Dwolla seems to be pretty stupid from what I gather from other colleagues, so I wouldn't be surprised if their business comes crumbling down like a house made of a deck of cards. [23:08]
mircea_popescu pity you can't really short start-ups [23:08]
smickles i don't know who specifically. But it's reasonable to assume that some people accept MP w/o a receipt. [23:08]
nicksynicksy_ ffsket wants coins but he has no receipt [23:08]
mircea_popescu i-d like an anti-A round on dwolla right about now [23:08]
ffsket people on silk road do, its just the prices are bad [23:08]
ffsket like, really bad [23:09]
benjamindees mircea_popescu, you can't... but I recall reading that Wall St. had started investing in lawsuits recently [23:09]
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mircea_popescu i wouldn't sue them, but i wouldnt mind selling some short lol [23:09]
semprum ;;gpg eauth [23:10]
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smickles ♮ally [23:11]
buybitcoin hey, i'm looking to buy bitcoin anyone ? [23:12]
smickles ;;gettrust buybitcoin [23:12]
gribble Trust relationship from user smickles to user buybitcoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=smickles&dest=buybitcoin [23:12]
smickles ;;gettrust [ident buybitcoin] [23:12]
gribble Trust relationship from user smickles to user Nick 'buybitcoin', with hostmask 'buybitcoin!18c91934@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.201.25.52', is not identified.: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=smickles&dest=Nick 'buybitcoin', with hostmask 'buybitcoin!18c91934@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.201.25.52', is not identified. [23:12]
smickles oh [23:12]
buybitcoin ok thanks [23:12]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term $200 usd wells fargo loan with $250 return in less than a week [23:12]
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Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: Meh, TH's lawsuit is a joke and I wish there were someone reporting on it that wasn't such a fucking cheerleader for TradeHill. [23:13]
mircea_popescu most civil lawsuits are jokes in that sense tho. [23:14]
errydayimgenerat ehhhhhhhhhhh [23:14]
errydayimgenerat ehhhhhh [23:14]
errydayimgenerat i'll do smaller loans too [23:14]
errydayimgenerat with the same return % [23:14]
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errydayimgenerat seeking short term usd wells fargo loan with 25% return in less than a week [23:15]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, go for it... [23:15]
mircea_popescu pity you dont take btc nicole. [23:15]
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errydayimgenerat i could maybe [23:15]
rawrmage wtf [23:16]
errydayimgenerat but i kind of need the loot sooner rather than late [23:16]
rawrmage when did my computer start showing the tonal numbers [23:16]
rawrmage luke-jr: what did you do to my computer [23:16]
errydayimgenerat actually i might be able to take btc [23:16]
errydayimgenerat and try to sell to someon with wf [23:16]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: Meh, people already see me as too pro-Dwolla (even though I'm really just anti-TH and have said that I think Dwolla was in the wrong on one of the points they're accused of). [23:16]
mircea_popescu "have said that I think Dwolla was in the wrong on one of the points they're accused of" vs " TH's lawsuit is a joke". [23:17]
mircea_popescu I'm not judging on the political terms of "you're pro X", i don't care. [23:17]
errydayimgenerat mircea_popescu: yeah i can take btc [23:17]
mircea_popescu but in the strictest sense dwolla has a lot to lose and no upside in this deal. [23:17]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, well yes this does seem to taint your objectivity if you admit you're "anti-TH".... [23:18]
mircea_popescu id would you ? [23:18]
errydayimgenerat yessums [23:18]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: No, it doesn't. Here's a hint about the world: the truth is biased. [23:18]
benjamindees great, world lessons from a 28 y/o... thanks [23:19]
Staatsfeind TH was shady from the beginning and their accounts of how much they lost just don't add up. [23:19]
errydayimgenerat ageist [23:19]
rg rg looking for ally bank transfer/popmoney [23:19]
Staatsfeind An exchange that can't math doesn't need to exist. [23:19]
helo what did mtgox do differently with dwolla that th failed to do? [23:19]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: meth exchange [23:19]
rg complain [23:19]
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mircea_popescu helo : i am asking myself the same question. [23:20]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: On Tor, sure. Not here. :þ [23:20]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, you keep saying that without backing it up... and from what I can tell it refers to the fact that Dwolla (allegedly) reversed transactions without notifying TH. Is that what you're referring to? [23:20]
helo so dwolla just kept eating losses until it died? [23:20]
helo errr [23:20]
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errydayimgenerat mircea_popescu: interested? [23:20]
helo so tradehill just kept eating losses until it died? [23:20]
mircea_popescu helo : i am asking myself the same question. [23:20]
jk9357 Someone from new Zealand? [23:20]
mircea_popescu ;;ident errydayimgenerat [23:20]
gribble Nick 'errydayimgenerat', with hostmask 'errydayimgenerat!~nicole@phl-69-171-168-64.evdo.leapwireless.net', is not identified. [23:20]
mircea_popescu you're not id'd [23:20]
errydayimgenerat oh wait [23:20]
errydayimgenerat got disconnected [23:20]
errydayimgenerat like 10 seconds ago [23:20]
errydayimgenerat ;;eauth errydayimgenerat [23:21]
pigeons i was so angry i deposited to tradehill the first day they opened and they removed the ability to withdraw via amazon payments, wow time card, moneypak and like 10 other methods on day 2 [23:21]
saddambitcoin Looking to buy BTC for USD cash. i can deposit at chase or BOA accounts, or send via USPS [23:21]
mircea_popescu the guy running it was pretty much incompetent imo pigeons [23:21]
jjjrmy pigeons: I do giftcards as you know :) [23:21]
mircea_popescu but that doesn't really help dwolla in this case i dont think [23:21]
errydayimgenerat ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2d7badab88791ff235e6d7747555665e00b1752621b001dff9da7bf7 [23:21]
gribble You are now authenticated for user errydayimgenerat with key C7C3F3750594495A [23:21]
rawrmage saddambitcoin: usd usps sad makes [23:21]
errydayimgenerat ;;voiceme [23:22]
rawrmage imo [23:22]
* gribble gives voice to errydayimgenerat [23:22]
errydayimgenerat mircea_popescu: happy? :) [23:22]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: That has nothing to do with the claim that TH can't math. That TH's figures on how much was chargebacked over the same period have changed several times, that they've changed their ToS with even less warning than Dwolla, and don't accept that as a standard business practice when it's done to them, … [23:22]
mircea_popescu so nicole : i can do like 10 btc, seeing how we're still not much connected. you can pay 12 on the 14th of March [23:22]
mircea_popescu that work for you ? [23:22]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, math is not a verb... [23:22]
rawrmage ;;sweetiebelle math [23:22]
rawrmage oh [23:22]
rawrmage ;;eauth rawrmage [23:22]
* gribble gives voice to rawrmage [23:23]
rawrmage ;;sweetiebelle math [23:23]
rawrmage DERP [23:23]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, I think you're missing the rather obvious point that Dwolla changed their TOS *retroactively*... [23:23]
errydayimgenerat hm [23:23]
Staatsfeind … when they promise to pay spammers and then back down when it pisses people off but don't change the policy, when they gloat about being outside the influence of U.S. courts so they're safe when it comes to AML laws and then surface as a Delaware corp to sue someone over bullshit, I don't think being neutral is objective. [23:23]
errydayimgenerat yeah that works mircea_popescu [23:23]
psymin I just tuned in .. retroactively?! [23:23]
mircea_popescu your addy ? [23:24]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: There's no evidence of that. [23:24]
errydayimgenerat do you ahppen to have coins on mtgox? [23:24]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, that's the allegation... and you would know that if you read anything about it... [23:24]
errydayimgenerat or just wallet [23:24]
Staatsfeind TH pretty clearly interpreted it a particular way and Dwolla clarified that. [23:24]
mircea_popescu wallet. y ? [23:24]
errydayimgenerat 16wE9wJXFmwy5QRsMP7UJ8UzuWntgXZnkh [23:24]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, and there is evidence of it... we have been over this... your ridiculous word games notwithstanding [23:24]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: Yes, TH interpreted a particularly facetious way to their own advantage. [23:25]
mircea_popescu sent. make sure you send 12.0 back , no weird decimals. [23:25]
Staatsfeind No, words have specific meanings. [23:25]
errydayimgenerat alright [23:25]
Staatsfeind You don't get to dismiss the content of a communication with ‘lol, words’ [23:25]
benjamindees well, worst case, a jury will decide the meanings of the words in question... if it even gets that far [23:25]
rg i just took the most painful shit [23:25]
Staatsfeind Also, this is English; everything verbs. [23:25]
rawrmage rg, what did you take? [23:26]
rg ? [23:26]
rg it wasnt even solid [23:26]
rawrmage ohhhhhhhhhhhhh [23:26]
rg for some reason it just hurt my ass [23:26]
Staatsfeind The facts haven't even been argued about; there's nothing for a jury to even decide yet. [23:26]
benjamindees just for lols though, go ahead and explain the meaning of the words "no chargeback concerns" for us one more time though... [23:26]
smickles "English: as long as someone understands it, it's proper." [23:26]
rawrmage i parsed as 'i just ingested the most painful thing', rg [23:26]
mircea_popescu incredibly enough i actually managed to close a deal through all this otc talk [23:26]
* mircea_popescu feels slightly ashamed [23:26]
Staatsfeind So far, they've been bickering about the law. [23:26]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: ☺ [23:27]
mircea_popescu :p [23:27]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term usd wells fargo loan with 25% return in less than a week, or selling btc for WF -> WF wire or cash deposit [23:28]
smickles ;;view 7096 [23:28]
gribble #7096 Tue Mar 6 21:34:31 2012 smickles SELL 1.0 Depositary Receipt @ 0.1 BTC (I can do any amount (positive integer). This DR represents the underlying asset MPOE.ETF on GLBSE. I will act as a holding agent for anyone who doesn't want to use GLBSE to purchase shares of the fund. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0) [23:28]
smickles :D [23:29]
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mircea_popescu when they promise to pay spammers and then back down when it pisses people off but don't change the policy, when they gloat about being outside the influence of U.S. courts so they're safe when it comes to AML laws and then surface as a Delaware corp to sue someone over bullshit, I don't think being neutral is objective. <<< they actually did that ?! [23:29]
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Staatsfeind And if you want to continue this discussion about that case, take it to #bitcoin-law. [23:29]
mircea_popescu how many sold smickles ? [23:30]
Staatsfeind mircea_popescu: Yes, they were gloating when they first started up about being outside the reach of U.S. courts in particular. [23:30]
smickles mircea_popescu: let me check [23:30]
errydayimgenerat :o [23:30]
mircea_popescu on the theory that they operate where, in somalia ? [23:30]
errydayimgenerat rawrararwawawrawrwar [23:30]
rawrmage errydayimgenerat [23:31]
pigeons south america via new york [23:31]
mircea_popescu there is such a thing as comity after all. [23:31]
errydayimgenerat sup rawrmage [23:31]
Staatsfeind They also had a referral incentive with no policy to cover shit like what happened when everyone in mtgox's leaked database was spammed, but then just rescinded an account or two. [23:31]
smickles mircea_popescu: 137 on glbse 0 via DR [23:31]
smickles so far [23:31]
mircea_popescu or maybe thwey just meant not subject to us legislation ? [23:31]
mircea_popescu o hey not so shabby smickles. [23:31]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, "take it to #bitcoin-law" [23:32]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: Not everything about TradeHill is part of that case. [23:32]
mircea_popescu ya, all further discussion of th dwolla and ponies and boobies is subject to a fine of no less than a coupla shares in smickle's etf. [23:32]
benjamindees Staatsfeind, go fuck yourself you loon [23:33]
mircea_popescu that too [23:33]
mircea_popescu 2 shares benjamin! :D [23:33]
rawrmage i like ponies [23:34]
* gribble gives voice to draco49 [23:34]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term usd wells fargo loan with 25% return in less than a week, or selling btc for WF -> WF wire or cash deposit [23:34]
Staatsfeind /exec -msg rawrmage yes pony [23:35]
draco49 So I just got caught up on the shakuru fiasco... what a shit-show. [23:35]
Staatsfeind rofl [23:35]
jjjrmy draco49: please, we don't talk about that here [23:35]
jjjrmy get out [23:35]
draco49 Damn... [23:36]
draco49 my bad [23:36]
rawrmage shakuru shakuru [23:36]
rawrmage it's a dance [23:36]
smickles is there a #shakaru? [23:36]
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Staatsfeind If there were, he'd have to own it. [23:37]
Staatsfeind Feel free to make a ##shakaru, though. [23:37]
rg This episode brought to you by AXE HIM + HER ANARCHY. [23:37]
smickles oh [23:37]
rawrmage /join ###shakaru_sucks [23:37]
rawrmage it's got 3 hashes [23:37]
rawrmage so it's a lie [23:37]
rawrmage like [23:37]
rawrmage ###cake [23:37]
jjjrmy what's the dif betweek #, ##, and ###? [23:37]
mcorlett ####shakaru_sucks [23:38]
mcorlett it's got 4 hashes [23:38]
mcorlett so it's no longer a lie [23:38]
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draco49 smickles, am I to understand that you're now involved in a new "business venture" with him? [23:38]
rawrmage errydayimgenerat: i've got enough pony now [23:38]
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pigeons smickles gave shakaru a job selling his software on commission and didn't do a background check [23:39]
Staatsfeind errydayimgenerat: Is he yesponying you? [23:39]
errydayimgenerat sup draco49 [23:39]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: she's yesponying me [23:39]
errydayimgenerat shakuru pony pony shak shak pony shak ponyuru [23:39]
errydayimgenerat it wont stop [23:39]
Staatsfeind Yeah, she [23:39]
draco49 sup errydayimgenerat :) [23:39]
errydayimgenerat wow [23:39]
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errydayimgenerat turns out if you pm spam someone on xchat it throttles everything [23:39]
errydayimgenerat and there's noway of stopping it [23:40]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term usd wells fargo loan with 25% return in less than a week, or selling btc for WF -> WF wire or cash deposit [23:40]
rawrmage had that problem with my bouncer [23:40]
rawrmage yesterday [23:40]
errydayimgenerat draco buysome bitcoin :3 [23:40]
Staatsfeind benjamindees: And see, now we've verbed yespony. Verbing weirds language. [23:40]
Staatsfeind errydayimgenerat: ps and kill [23:40]
errydayimgenerat or some high interest loan action [23:40]
rawrmage Staatsfeind: you'd have to kill xchat [23:40]
smickles 00:39 <+pigeons> smickles gave shakaru a job selling his software on commission and didn't do a background check [23:40]
smickles 00:39 <+pigeons> smickles gave shakaru a job selling his software on commission and didn't do a background check [23:40]
smickles 00:39 <+pigeons> smickles gave shakaru a job selling his software on commission and didn't do a background check [23:41]
smickles 00:39 <+pigeons> smickles gave shakaru a job selling his software on commission and didn't do a background check [23:41]
rawrmage smickles: wtf [23:41]
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smickles shit [23:41]
smickles sorry [23:41]
* Staatsfeind has kicked smickles from #bitcoin-otc (smickles) [23:41]
draco49 lol [23:41]
* Staatsfeind removes channel operator status from Staatsfeind [23:41]
draco49 errydayimgenerat, I'm on the broke side today :( [23:41]
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mircea_popescu but anyway, to answer your original q draco : what pigeons said :D [23:41]
Staatsfeind Oh, Jesus. [23:41]
errydayimgenerat me too [23:41]
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SO_STUPID oh jesus [23:41]
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rawrmage hay seuss [23:42]
Staatsfeind SO_STUPID: Yes? I hope you're not using my name in vain! [23:42]
rg why does no one have popmoney [23:42]
smickles well, all I wanted to do was confirm pigeons' statement [23:42]
rg or allybank [23:42]
mircea_popescu its rare rg ;/ [23:42]
Staatsfeind pigeons: Didst thou say that? [23:42]
* paulzag is away: I'm sleeping or coaching please email otc@zagz.com [23:42]
rawrmage paulzag: wtf [23:43]
mcorlett rawrmage: He's sleeping, be quiet. [23:43]
rawrmage mcorlett: lol [23:43]
Staatsfeind paulzag: We really don't give a shit and you don't need to say that in *ever* channel. Wtf. [23:43]
rawrmage AMSG will get you shot [23:43]
Staatsfeind There shouldn't be any such thing. [23:44]
* mcorlett is here: I'm here please don't email me. [23:44]
draco49 lol [23:44]
smickles haha [23:44]
errydayimgenerat seeking short term usd wells fargo loan with 25% return in less than a week, or selling btc for WF -> WF wire or cash deposit [23:44]
Staatsfeind SO_STUPID: Do *not* fucking PM me. [23:45]
mircea_popescu *every* [23:45]
rawrmage lol [23:45]
mircea_popescu or did you verb the adverb ? [23:45]
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mcorlett SO_STUPID: Do *not* PM me about fucking, either. [23:45]
luke-jr rawrmage: ? [23:46]
SO_STUPID lol [23:46]
SO_STUPID ok :) [23:46]
rawrmage luke-jr: my browser displays the weird tonal numbers like  [23:46]
* mircea_popescu is neither here nor there. please call my email address. [23:46]
rawrmage why [23:46]
rawrmage and my terminal does too [23:46]
luke-jr rawrmage: cool [23:46]
rawrmage i didn't make it [23:46]
luke-jr what OS? maybe it has Tonal support? :p [23:46]
rawrmage ubuntu [23:46]
rawrmage it didn't before [23:46]
Staatsfeind rawrmage: luke-jr hacked into your computer. [23:47]
rawrmage I KNEW IT [23:47]
* paulzag is back (gone 00:04:17) [23:47]
rawrmage paulzag: heh [23:47]
draco49 I think SO_STUPID is really Astana [23:47]
mircea_popescu ubuntu, aka uborgu. it improves by assimilation. [23:47]
Staatsfeind paulzag: If you keep doing that, GTFO. [23:47]
SO_STUPID i think so [23:47]
luke-jr rawrmage: also, webpages can provide fonts [23:47]
Staatsfeind draco49: Thanks. We didn't know that. [23:47]
luke-jr so eg http://176.9.18.83:5984/buddy-clock/_design/site/_list/show/by_tz [23:47]
copumpkin draco49: he's admitted it publicly [23:47]
luke-jr will work for everyone [23:47]
errydayimgenerat brb gonna get a nick ofcoke [23:47]
copumpkin errydayimgenerat: good to know, thanks [23:48]
draco49 oh, I missed that... I've been getting caught up on the saga. [23:48]
luke-jr rawrmage: on that note, care to confirm your  is the correct tonal digit? :P [23:48]
rawrmage the one before 10 [23:49]
mcorlett luke-jr: Whose page is that? [23:49]
draco49 SO_STUPID, don't pm me. [23:49]
luke-jr mcorlett: p2k [23:50]
luke-jr rawrmage: but it's the tonal fy, not some other symbol? [23:50]
rawrmage yes [23:50]
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GlooBoy ;;rate ffsket 1 easy MP for BTC transaction. Welcome to OTC [23:50]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user ffsket has been recorded. [23:50]
copumpkin ;;rate gribble 10 ⨀_⨀ [23:51]
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copumpkin ;;rate gribble 10 ⨀_⨀ [23:51]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 10 for user gribble has been recorded. [23:51]
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vragnaroda SO_STUPID: You may PM gribble if you'd like. [23:53]
rawrmage SO_STUPID: PM me! [23:53]
mcorlett ;;rate gribble 0 [23:53]
mcorlett ;;rate gribble 1.1 [23:53]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user gribble has been recorded. [23:53]
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mcorlett ;;unrate [23:53]
gribble (unrate ) -- Remove your rating for from the database. [23:53]
Staatsfeind ;;rate gribble -10 never trust a bot [23:53]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user gribble has been recorded. [23:54]
mcorlett Perhaps I should do this elsewhere. [23:54]
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ffsket ;;rate glooboy 10 easy first transaction of btc for my mp [23:54]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user glooboy has changed from 1 to 10. [23:54]
mcorlett ffsket: You probably shouldn't do that. [23:54]
nicksynicksy ffsket ya [23:54]
copumpkin lol [23:54]
ffsket hm? [23:54]
copumpkin ffsket: it just looks bad [23:54]
ffsket ok [23:54]
mcorlett ffsket: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/OTC_Rating_System#Rating_guidelines [23:54]
copumpkin it looks like you're a rating whore [23:54]
ffsket lololol [23:55]
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smickles ffsket: 10 is like you trust the guy with your daughter, alone [23:55]
ffsket okay [23:55]
ffsket fk no [23:55]
copumpkin lol [23:55]
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ffsket i trust no one [23:55]
ffsket :P [23:55]
copumpkin okay, -10 then!! [23:55]
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ffsket ;;rate glooboy 6.7 [23:55]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user glooboy has changed from 10 to 6. [23:55]
smickles copumpkin: no trust is 0 (;;unrate) [23:55]
copumpkin smickles: I know ;) [23:55]
ffsket a 6.7 seems accurate :P [23:56]
mcorlett smickles: You'd give your daughter's boyfriend a tenner? [23:56]
smickles mcorlett: if i let them alone together [23:56]
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smickles mcorlett: well, also, my daughter is about 3 mo. old right now, that scale may be currently skewed [23:57]
SO_STUPID congrats on your daughter :) family is all we have in the end [23:58]
mcorlett smickles: Ah, that may explain it. Congratulations, by the way. [23:58]
copumpkin baby smickles! [23:58]
smickles thanks for the sentiment :D [23:58]
copumpkin you teaching her to trade options? [23:58]
copumpkin gotta get them started early [23:58]
smickles copumpkin: logic first [23:58]
mcorlett Calling dibs on freenode nickname babysmickles. [23:59]
smickles lol [23:59]
mircea_popescu o smickle had a kid ? [23:59]
mircea_popescu congrats to ms smickles then. [23:59]
smickles :D [23:59]
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smickles thanks mircea_popescu [23:59]
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