Forum logs for 07 Jan 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

pankkake	I liked openid, but it is effectively dead	[00:00]
mike_c	stackoverflow tried to use it. i was surprised that didn't work.	[00:00]
benkay	log in with cryptotoken. it's the only way.	[00:00]
pankkake	at least I could self-host it… now a lot of websites throw you facebook in the face	[00:01]
pankkake	because, and that is truly a problem, people are too lazy to create a new account, and manage passwords	[00:01]
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benkay	time heals all this idiocy. red queen patterns etc.	[00:02]
pankkake	the only thing I dislike with static blogs is the comment handling. usually, it's… disqus	[00:04]
pankkake	but I've seen implementations of one of my dreams: a comment-by-email	[00:04]
benkay	yeah. i'm thinking about how to do comments.	[00:05]
pankkake	plus, email already has antispams. why reinvent the wheel	[00:05]
mike_c	that is a good idea. identity friendly, if not user friendly.	[00:05]
benkay	not buying into one of these federated identity services - that'd run counter to the whole point.	[00:05]
benkay	sheeeit, mike_c, if someone can't handle comments by email i don't want 'em commenting.	[00:06]
mike_c	it's not that they can't handle, just raises the bar for doing so. you'll get fewer comments.	[00:06]
pankkake	that was my main reason for chosing wordpress; so many plugins, comments with working antispam	[00:06]
mike_c	not sure how trilema's works, but it seems a reasonable compromise.	[00:07]
pankkake	well some clients/webmails don't provide a good way to have multiple identities	[00:07]
benkay	;;google trilema spam	[00:08]
gribble	The Trilemma Of Child Care - SlideShare: ; The Trilemma Of Child Care - SlideShare: ; Hilsenrath Highlights The Fed's Taper Trilemma \| Zero Hedge:	[00:08]
pankkake	perhaps add a special tag on top of the mail to change it; and also provide a URL	[00:08]
pankkake	lol zerohedge	[00:08]
mike_c	http://trilema.com/2013/effectual-spam-filtering-for-wordpress/	[00:09]
ozbot	Effectual spam filtering for WordPress pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[00:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2000 @ 0.001 = 2 BTC [+]	[00:09]
benkay	that's the one, mike_c.	[00:10]
benkay	having written on everything from friendster to livejournal to the well, blogger and yes even wordpress before attempting to roll my own this time through i decided to keep all of my data local and generate blog files from my blog.org file	[00:12]
pankkake	https://wordpress.org/plugins/anti-spam/ catches most of my spam but it might also prevent lynx users from commenting :(	[00:12]
ozbot	WordPress › Anti-spam « WordPress Plugins	[00:12]
benkay	which thanks to the insane amounts of time that's been put into org-mode and emacs in general is a pretty robust project	[00:12]
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benkay	http://renard.github.io/o-blog/index.html	[00:13]
ozbot	Quick start Guide	[00:13]
benkay	you'll see i have some styling to do. i hate styling.	[00:13]
mike_c	i'm more interested in the identity side though. what's the right compromise for allowing attribution to commenters without making them create an account?	[00:13]
benkay	pgp signed comments.	[00:13]
mike_c	heh	[00:13]
mike_c	hardly a compromise	[00:13]
benkay	no way man	[00:14]
pankkake	use bootstrap	[00:14]
benkay	errybody's going to have to get at least conversant with privacy tools.	[00:14]
mike_c	yes, and highcharts. obviously.	[00:14]
pankkake	I used to dislike bootstrap because so many websites use it. but so what? interfaces are meant to be standardized	[00:14]
benkay	i don't want to 'use' anything - i want to deploy some capital and have some less generated by a human for me.	[00:14]
pankkake	and if you hate css, it's perfect	[00:15]
mike_c	pankkake: agreed. not hard to tweak anyway.	[00:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20190 @ 0.00090896 = 18.3519 BTC [+] {2}	[00:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17010 @ 0.00091136 = 15.5022 BTC [+] {2}	[00:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00091142 = 15.5397 BTC [+] {2}	[00:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02479959 = 0.124 BTC [+]	[00:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.02479959 = 0.248 BTC [+]	[00:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21610 @ 0.00090971 = 19.6588 BTC [-]	[00:47]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13040 @ 0.00091052 = 11.8732 BTC [+]	[00:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6160 @ 0.00090595 = 5.5807 BTC [-]	[01:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 145 @ 0.00439512 = 0.6373 BTC [+] {4}	[01:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00439709 = 0.1891 BTC [+] {2}	[01:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21890 @ 0.00091188 = 19.9611 BTC [+] {2}	[01:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 317 @ 0.00439995 = 1.3948 BTC [+] {4}	[01:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13860 @ 0.00091241 = 12.646 BTC [+]	[01:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 159 @ 0.00439998 = 0.6996 BTC [+] {3}	[01:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 74 @ 0.00288201 = 0.2133 BTC [-]	[01:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.467999 BTC [-]	[01:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15040 @ 0.00091241 = 13.7226 BTC [+]	[01:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 10000 @ 0.001 = 10 BTC [+]	[01:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.4680909 = 5.149 BTC [+] {2}	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.46899999 = 2.814 BTC [+] {2}	[01:34]
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midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[01:36]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[01:36]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c nice catch on the bitbet statement there.	[01:36]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11914 @ 0.00009601 = 1.1439 BTC [+] {2}	[01:48]
kakobrekla	you are late log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2014#436766	[01:50]
kakobrekla	hrm, again without the http://, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2014#436766	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	what mess, it's like 70 cents.	[01:51]
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mircea_popescu	big whoop	[01:52]
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kakobrekla	and the one from last year	[01:52]
kakobrekla	and generally, its a mess.	[01:52]
kakobrekla	we fucked up too many times :p	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	gracious donations to shareholders : 0.061 BTC ?	[01:53]
kakobrekla	imma gonna make it esier	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	obv shareholders didn't give a shit about the 6 bitcents, or else they'd have said something.	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	people gotta get used to reading reports, calculator in hand	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	this isn't lazyland, this is bitcoin, a republic.	[01:53]
kakobrekla	well obv is all my fault cause i sign the thing on the end	[01:55]
kakobrekla	it looks bad	[01:55]
kakobrekla	kako cant do maffs	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	it's partly your fault, and partly my fault, and partly the fault of everyone who may wish to bitch about it	[01:55]
mircea_popescu	we're all in this together.	[01:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	with any luck at all, i'll forget to roll the .7 bitcents into next month's report and then it'll look really bad lol	[01:57]
pankkake	what are you using for accounting? text files?	[01:57]
kakobrekla	actually its not so much your fault cause you dont sign it, which makes me think you should be doing that from now on :D	[01:57]
kakobrekla	eyeballing apparently	[01:58]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake nubian slaves.	[01:58]
pankkake	I need slaves to sort my files	[01:58]
pankkake	and my porn	[01:58]
kakobrekla	nsa does that	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	so you need nubian and pubian slaves.	[01:59]
pankkake	though I shouldn't need porn if I have slaves. hmm	[01:59]
mircea_popescu	"Slavery in Sudan began in ancient times, and has continued to the present day." sez wikipedia	[01:59]
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pankkake	my love for metadata is probably more insane than anyone in the nsa	[01:59]
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pankkake	so no serious answer! are you afraid to admit you're using excel?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	me ? i don't have excel.	[02:04]
pankkake	general inquiry	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Paper spreadsheets	[02:04]
BingoBoingo	For maximum airgap	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	http://newspaper.li/static/eeeb21dede2e0a0125169d9398022867.jpg	[02:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0028828 = 0.5766 BTC [+] {2}	[02:09]
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jurov	i'm doing reports in perl	[02:22]
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KRS1	thats what its fo! i love perl	[02:22]
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lippoper	yeah	[02:28]
lippoper	perl lol	[02:28]
pankkake	why run? I'm thinking I'd do pretty much the same	[02:28]
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BingoBoingo	I'm kind of curious if any line betting operations are going to fold up tomorrow morning.	[02:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 15 @ 0.0242 = 0.363 BTC [-]	[02:32]
jurov	BingoBoingo: why?	[02:32]
lippoper	any profitable mining shares?	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 17 @ 0.02419623 = 0.4113 BTC [-]	[02:33]
mircea_popescu	mining and profitable don't mix so well	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 27 @ 0.00644996 = 0.1741 BTC [+] {2}	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	jurov: Because so many people are betting on Auburn. Auburn is given odds that make it a great value pick. Since most BTC line betting operations pull lines off of USA Today instead of letting odds play on their own and collecting their vig, if Auburn wins I imagine at least a few won't be able to pay winnings.	[02:34]
BingoBoingo	I imagine such a black Tuesday outcome would be great publicity for BitBet though.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	interesting point.	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	i would imagine all of them strictly consist of one derp, his .5 btc budget and his dreams and aspirations	[02:35]
mircea_popescu	in which case some nice bandwagon effect would probably do what you say sooner or later	[02:35]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I've been putting money on Auburn at as many books as I can that haven't been rather conclusively labeled scam yet. Cheaper exercise than the one you did with Patrick Harnett.	[02:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah well... it's easily forgotten that at the time the replacement cost of 500btc was like five grand	[02:36]
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BingoBoingo	Well... Yeah. As the years go on though the relative impressiveness of the story will grow simply because n00bs can't remember single dollar digit btc.	[02:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 1 @ 0.12699999 BTC [+]	[02:38]
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mircea_popescu	perversely, a good investment in more ways than one	[02:38]
mircea_popescu	noobs also don't remember the entire "btc rating agency" bullshit coming out of his inflamed brain, and consequently don't remember reason #5498045986 why bitcoin didn't go to shit before they had a chance to hear of it.	[02:39]
BingoBoingo	Well, yeah. Breaking one of the "big guys" and firmly placing yourself as the bigger and more solvent guy	[02:39]
jurov	http://www.casinobitco.in/bet-ncaa-football for example	[02:39]
jurov	it's there but i never did line betting, what does this mean?	[02:39]
jurov	there's 4.2BTC bet on?	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	jurov line betting vs mutual betting is like bucket shop vs stock exchange. in the line model all trades are against the house.	[02:40]
jurov	i know how it works	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	it's as if anyone buying shares bought from the nyse itself, and anyone selling sold to nyse itself	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	and nyse came up with an arbitrary price each morning	[02:40]
jurov	but am interested how to read the stats	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	stock generation style	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	a	[02:40]
BingoBoingo	jurov: It means an Auburn win returns roughly quadruple your initial bet. Looks like similar odds I've been buying, but I've heard that site was scam already.	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	basically it's what you make in each case	[02:40]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i love it how they never advertise their house limit, too	[02:41]
mike_c	11 point spread and 4.2 money line? that does sound attractive.	[02:41]
mircea_popescu	i imagine if someone sends 10k btc on their stated odds all sorts of fun ensues.	[02:42]
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jurov	they certainly have some limit	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	link to it :)	[02:42]
BingoBoingo	+320 on Auburn means you would win 320 dollars on a 100 dollar ticket. -380 on Florida State means you would win 100/380 on your 100 dollar ticket	[02:42]
mircea_popescu	such ignorant notation too. negative and fractional, same thing. blergh	[02:43]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: There are much better probably scam sports books out there	[02:43]
mike_c	hah. the vegas line is +295.	[02:44]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I wouldn't take the spread though. On value bets liek this ML tends to be better in the long run	[02:44]
mike_c	no bitbet	[02:44]
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mike_c	too many nerds on bitbet for football	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I did the bitbet too on both sides, but they are closed	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/672/btc-will-hit-1000-without-dropping-to-100/#c2235	[02:45]
ozbot	BitBet - BTC will hit $1000 without dropping to $100	[02:45]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I wrote this one http://bitbet.us/bet/650/florida-state-to-win-bcs-national-championship-low/	[02:45]
mircea_popescu	i love the bbet commenters every time	[02:45]
mike_c	so looks like it got one bet other than you	[02:46]
mike_c	i agree with mp, once football bets are popular on bitbet we will know the gold rush is over.	[02:46]
mircea_popescu	certainly not this silliness where bitbet lays a quarter million bucks on any diff bet easy,	[02:47]
mircea_popescu	and you struggle to get 1k together on football prime time events	[02:48]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: I don't know if they will ever be too popular. The problem of tracking a whole season seems better suited to bucket shops and line betting operations. Marquee events and championships that can get traffic though should do better on the BitBet model though.	[02:48]
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jurov	i dunno, i can easily imagine football junkies prefer betting where they know the win in advance	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	Sports betting I've come to see is kind of a niche market.	[02:49]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo ideally it evolves as an exchange (ie, a myriad actually honest operators do line betting and promotion, and then meet on bitbet and hedge in a liquid market)	[02:49]
jurov	even if mutual may be more profitable, effective, intelligent etc.	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	Maybe even more navel gazing than bitcoin.	[02:49]
mike_c	yeah, all those prop bets with terrible odds at the bookie would be much better on bitbet like "team to win the championship" or super bowl props.	[02:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Sure, but given how often the gambling type (the kind who are so quick to forgive SealswithClubs for their hack) go for the familiar over the good it might be a decade. At least Bitcoin has plenty of time to fix this.	[02:51]
mike_c	and bitbet is welcome for the audit :) my fee is 0.061 btc.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo no but the idea is, the ops themselves have more of a clue. obviously as it is now, every failed seo expert/14 yo running his own site this won't be the case	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	but these will lose their shirt within months, not decades.	[02:51]
mircea_popescu	to survive people will have to use the tools.	[02:52]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[02:52]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	mike_c >D	[02:52]
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BingoBoingo	They might stretch it out a while. People can be irrational longer than we expect as Usagi being able to list a silver instrument of some indeterminate form on a scam exchange illustrates.	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	so the model for sports is, there are say 10-12 respectable bookie type sites, which do all the forum spamming and general dicking around with the punters,	[02:52]
mircea_popescu	then they actually trade their takes on bitbet. say one got 50 btc on yes 12 on no, the other 5 on yes 64 on no etc	[02:53]
mircea_popescu	they can't sanely hold on to this, so they all bet on the yes/no bitbet according to their book	[02:53]
BingoBoingo	Sure, like the cloning intrade but actually backing it on BitBet which is real	[02:54]
mike_c	that would work better with bitbet v2 without a linear weight	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	best of both worlds.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	allows people to be entrepreneurs, allows risk to be correctly handled, allows punters to not have to think and be fleeced for it.	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	everyone's happy, and the market grows	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	at least that's the model	[02:54]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[02:54]
midnightmagic	mikaeldice mike_c MiningBuddy mircea_popescu mius mixdio_	[02:54]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: BitBet now works fine. Just when you write a sports bet make sure to not end the weight at 1	[02:54]
mircea_popescu	mike_c they're all in the same timeline so they really don't care about the weight	[02:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10946 @ 0.00091265 = 9.9899 BTC [+]	[02:55]
mircea_popescu	5 minute differences or w/e may be the round-trip time for "x got injured" among the bookies won't show up in the bitbet weight anyway	[02:55]
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BingoBoingo	mike_c: Sports bets do benefit from some sort of attached weight though, especially in hand egg because of injuries, arrests, and fat athletes having heart attacks	[02:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4643 BTC [-]	[02:56]
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mike_c	I agree weight of some type is important. but we beat that horse dead a couple weeks ago.	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	some horses need to be beaten many times	[02:57]
mike_c	next time i beat the horse i will have a simulator in hand to show how the alternate model works.	[02:58]
mircea_popescu	the previous horse hath not died in vain	[02:58]
BingoBoingo	Horses are cheap	[03:00]
mircea_popescu	whorses too	[03:00]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/517/bfl-will-deliver-28nm-before-jan-6-2014/	[03:01]
ozbot	BitBet - BFL will deliver 28nm before Jan 6 2014	[03:01]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck laid out on yes	[03:01]
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BingoBoingo	I dunno. Around here people will pay you to take a horse. We really need to get to eating them already.	[03:02]
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BingoBoingo	Inaba probably laid out for yes, but obviously doesn't have the capital he had last year...	[03:04]
mircea_popescu	i imagine throwing away btc is a lot more painful than it used to be too	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	once it sprinted from 30 to 1k people see 10k with different eyes	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/567/simona-halep-to-win-roland-garros/ << this can't be 6:1 srsly now	[03:05]
ozbot	BitBet - Simona Halep to win Roland Garros	[03:05]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you're better at this than me, can you get me what the bookies say on this prop ?	[03:06]
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BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: A lot of fiat books are showing longer odds that Halep wins. This is the sort of bet though where outcomes other than yes/no might make BitBet more interesting (meaning for example a single French open bet with the option to bet on each competitor, ie you run bets like the pony track does for some events)	[03:12]
pankkake	not enough nerds on bitbet for starcraft	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	longer like how long ?	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: 15-17.5 to one	[03:12]
mircea_popescu	aha	[03:12]
BingoBoingo	Bitcoin tennis fans aren't rich enough to balance your love for her tits though	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	how is a single bet for 6 people better than 6 yes/no bets ? cause larger pool ?	[03:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7750 @ 0.00091285 = 7.0746 BTC [+]	[03:13]
mircea_popescu	ha	[03:13]
pankkake	I thought tennis was the sport for rich people. like golf	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	pankkake old money = stupid = btc poor	[03:14]
pankkake	old money is btc zero	[03:14]
pankkake	btc poor is teenagers with gpus	[03:14]
mircea_popescu	that's a point	[03:14]
BingoBoingo	Well, consider a futures bet for X wins championsip of such and such league. Where the teams competing are fixed well in advanced of the seasons start. 30 baseball teams for example, you can bet on anyof them to win the world series. Maybe the pot isn't bigger, but having all of the options in one pool makes pricing risk more straight forward.	[03:15]
ArsKisS	https://cryptostocks.com/securities/70	[03:15]
ArsKisS	wutwut	[03:15]
BingoBoingo	Close that bet when the season starts and as the season progresses let bets open for the outcomes of individual teams.	[03:16]
mircea_popescu	how does it make pricing more straightforward ? i thought it makes it a nightmare	[03:16]
ArsKisS	they pay some good looking dividends and then skyrocket	[03:16]
kakobrekla	again vritual mining?	[03:16]
ArsKisS	yup	[03:17]
kakobrekla	virtual mining of virtual currency	[03:17]
kakobrekla	virtually scam.	[03:17]
KRS1	lol	[03:17]
ArsKisS	virtuous	[03:17]
pankkake	consortium!	[03:17]
pankkake	"A consortium is an association of two or more individuals" ok I guess that works	[03:17]
BingoBoingo	Well, depending on how you approach the problem of pricing in that situation it could be more of a nightmare of it could be a glorious consilodated market.	[03:17]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo let's try and model. three teams, a, b and c. a has 20 btc on it to win, b 15, c 27.	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	what's the odds a wins ?	[03:18]
mircea_popescu	cause if the bet is "a wins" y/n, then you deffo know what the odds are.	[03:18]
ArsKisS	hmm	[03:18]
ArsKisS	is there a way you can see whole cryptostocks history somehow	[03:18]
ArsKisS	this is silly that the history is just couple of pages long	[03:18]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Roughly 1/3	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	ArsKisS perhaps you are missing their wisdom there.	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo 20 / 62 ?	[03:19]
ArsKisS	mircea_popescu, err?	[03:19]
BingoBoingo	Right	[03:19]
mircea_popescu	and isn't y/n more straightforward ? not that a lot of adding shit is impossible to do.	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	ArsKisS they know their history won't ever look good, so why publish it too much.	[03:20]
ArsKisS	mircea_popescu, but it's about MY history	[03:21]
BingoBoingo	Break that into three yes/no bets though a b and c can all have bets such that all teams are favored to win. That creates an opportunity for great arbitrage, but... This is Bitcoin and people still buy "mining"	[03:21]
ArsKisS	mircea_popescu, talking about Account -> Legend	[03:21]
ArsKisS	only shows last 50 transactions	[03:21]
ArsKisS	useless piece of shit :<	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	why does this site look just like btctc	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	ArsKisS: Well cryptostocks is a piece of shit yes.	[03:22]
mircea_popescu	did they actually recycle that ?	[03:22]
kakobrekla	btc tc tc tc tc disco mode tc tc tc	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	Vircurex was hacked twice and noone bother to take the the cryptostocks wallet from that same sever out of pity	[03:22]
ArsKisS	BingoBoingo, yea, kinda. but some of the stocks are good :/	[03:22]
BingoBoingo	ArsKisS: What is good anyway	[03:23]
kakobrekla	thats everlasting question, what is good, what is evil	[03:23]
BingoBoingo	Bitbet is good, math is evil, Abaci for everyone	[03:24]
ArsKisS	how many markets there is btw?	[03:24]
ArsKisS	cryptostocks, havelock and?	[03:24]
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kakobrekla	buttfunder	[03:24]
kakobrekla	glbse	[03:24]
kakobrekla	btc disco	[03:24]
mircea_popescu	and colored coins	[03:24]
BingoBoingo	ArsKisS: Everything is just one big market. Within the one market though there are a lot of alleys where muggins happen. If you aren't careful you might even meet Rapin' Jameis	[03:25]
kakobrekla	!b 1	[03:25]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1539965/plain/)	[03:25]
ArsKisS	kakobrekla, last one sounds extra shady, two first I've heard something before.	[03:25]
ArsKisS	BingoBoingo :D	[03:25]
kakobrekla	!exchanges ArsKisS	[03:25]
kakobrekla	see what assbot pmed you	[03:26]
ArsKisS	cool	[03:26]
ArsKisS	thx	[03:26]
ArsKisS	Glbse closed for good?	[03:26]
ArsKisS	2012 on bitcointalk	[03:26]
kakobrekla	oh wait its 2013 already	[03:27]
ArsKisS	kakobrekla, 2014	[03:27]
BingoBoingo	ArsKisS: Thermos killed GLBSE	[03:27]
ArsKisS	close call	[03:27]
pankkake	!exchanges	[03:27]
BingoBoingo	.bait	[03:27]
ozbot	http://31.media.tumblr.com/60f38b26f965ab5dd9b145f5e1c49add/tumblr_mvvvesgLGK1sjknteo1_1280.jpg	[03:27]
pankkake	it's not up to date	[03:27]
kakobrekla	!exchanges	[03:27]
pankkake	bitcoin-assets.com still has btctttc too	[03:27]
kakobrekla	site is still up	[03:28]
kakobrekla	let it be a reminder	[03:28]
kakobrekla	!	[03:28]
pankkake	at least the shares aren't losing value!	[03:28]
kakobrekla	lmao	[03:28]
BingoBoingo	Ei Ei Scam	[03:28]
mircea_popescu	why does that pic look like the broads are standing	[03:29]
kakobrekla	ArsKisS you can also lose money on pico stocks	[03:29]
kakobrekla	or just donate it to poor nigerians	[03:29]
kakobrekla	somalians work as well.	[03:29]
ArsKisS	kakobrekla, nah, i rather keep them	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	http://moviecode.tumblr.com/	[03:30]
ozbot	Source Code in TV and Films	[03:30]
kakobrekla	ArsKisS dont be so selfish	[03:30]
BingoBoingo	ArsKisS: You have like two minutes left to bet it on Handegg tonight	[03:30]
knotwork	mircea_popescu, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=402131.msg4356292#msg4356292	[03:30]
ArsKisS	kakobrekla, ofc	[03:31]
mircea_popescu	knotwork myeah.	[03:32]
mircea_popescu	also, there's euro futures now too	[03:32]
knotwork	Euro futures on MPOE ?	[03:33]
knotwork	Does it still cost 30 BTC for an emporium seat?	[03:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00091285 = 9.9501 BTC [+]	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	yea.	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	!t m x.eur	[03:35]
assbot	[MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00199998 / 0.00246786 / 0.00333333 (651 shares, 1.61 BTC)	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	not much volume as of yet	[03:35]
mircea_popescu	but it;'s a physically settled future, you can obtain euros in bitcoin central.	[03:35]
pankkake	would be better if davout_ delivered the bills on your doorstep, in a metal briefcase	[03:37]
knotwork	hee hee	[03:37]
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mircea_popescu	yeah, because people can afford to pay a a coupla grand for airplane tickets + hotels + etc	[03:38]
BingoBoingo	Wait, I though Jurov was carrying the breifcase	[03:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00091265 = 9.6285 BTC [-]	[03:45]
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mircea_popescu	so, we're doing some hardware upgrades on mpex infrastructure starting Jan 8th at 3am GMT	[03:52]
pankkake	that's a smart scam/spam; target potential thieves: http://pastebin.com/mUWM0Tjf	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	there may be some short lived service interruptions.	[03:52]
pankkake	blinded by greed, they'll just open the thing without question	[03:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 86 @ 0.00449709 = 0.3867 BTC [+] {2}	[04:11]
KRS1	greed is a mo-fo	[04:14]
KRS1	funny, some are helpless to it i noticed..darwin has a solution for them too	[04:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00091265 = 8.3964 BTC [-]	[04:16]
KRS1	got an interesting email in ref. to mastercoin	[04:20]
KRS1	http://pastebin.com/XW6mW1tc	[04:20]
ozbot	Arbitrage with mastercoin - Pastebin.com	[04:20]
KRS1	im interested in moving toward an algorithmic trading style..not sure where to start and i dont want to write my own bot from scratch	[04:21]
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BingoBoingo	KRS1: I'm more convinced that as Bitcoin matures people will progress through more and more advanced holdign styles	[04:24]
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mike_c	taking out that one hard drive that was holding the whole thing up? :D	[04:24]
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KRS1	BingoBoingo: yeah the markets have to calm down a bit	[04:25]
KRS1	everyones complaining of manipulation	[04:25]
BingoBoingo	KRS1: I'm not talking about that. The BTC/Fiat interface is boring and overdone. I'm thinking applications of BTC tht take advantage of its function as a store of value (ie the most popular use of BTC)	[04:27]
BingoBoingo	Oh, Auburn is leading the handegg BCS thing 14-3 right nao	[04:29]
benkay	Just what /can/ one do with BTC held cold, BingoBoingo? Soundslike one o yer classic FR scams.	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	I think 3 sounds like a good over under for how many line betting ventures might fold tomorrw	[04:29]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Who said holding has to be cold. I'm thinking Fidelity bonds and such. One of the few people who dealt with Inputs.io and didn't get fucked was Dooglus who made TradeFortress keep a bond with him in exchange for him accepting deposits though TF's platform. Such things seem a natural growth from GPG contracts and other crypto goodness.	[04:31]
benkay	TF put btc on reserve, or promised to pay?	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	Million dollar BTC doesn't happen because Bitcoin is a better gum buying tool than a quarter at the gumball machine. It happens through a lot of BTC being tied up in contracts.	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	benkay: As I understand he made a deposit to Dooglus in advance	[04:34]
BingoBoingo	Well before his collapse.	[04:34]
pankkake	that was a very smart move :)	[04:35]
benkay	those coins have to be 'cold' until that contracts terms are invoked, correct?	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	Because such a deposit existed Dooglus was able to extract exactly what he was owed as opposed to submitting himself to the arbitrary fractional repayment/settlement mess TF devised.	[04:35]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Of course coins in such an arrangement have to stay cold.	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	The value of the coins though is as a store.	[04:36]
benkay	the Dooglus property in question being just-dice?	[04:36]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Yup.	[04:36]
benkay	BingoBoingo: why did j-d have a dependency on inputs.io in the first place?	[04:37]
BingoBoingo	benkay: They didn't have any dependency. They just wanted more deposit options and TF was willing to deposit a fidelity bond to cover deposits through inputs.io	[04:38]
benkay	ah so if i can recap	[04:39]
benkay	j-d made themselves an inputs.io account to which IIO victims could send btc without blockchain confirmations or such, and the fidelity bond was to cover however that account	[04:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 2090 @ 0.001 = 2.09 BTC [+]	[04:40]
benkay	however much that account *was holding when IIO went down	[04:40]
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BingoBoingo	That roughly seems to be it. I've traversed quite a bit of this handle of vodka I trekked through the polar vortex to acquire, but it sounds right. Depositors just weren't inputs.io victims yet.	[04:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2117 @ 0.00091285 = 1.9325 BTC [+]	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	benkay there was no depending, tf was in search of adding value to his otherwise not particularly useful service	[04:43]
benkay	all webwallet users are victims, they just don't know it yet.	[04:43]
BingoBoingo	Well, yeah	[04:43]
mircea_popescu	associating with things like jd made sense in that perspective. doog had enough sense to keep it at arms length	[04:43]
BingoBoingo	Every year a new batch of people makes that clear.	[04:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.465 BTC [+]	[04:44]
Duffer1	yea :(	[04:44]
benkay	mircea_popescu there were dependencies if j-d had to have a surety bond	[04:44]
BingoBoingo	benkay: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=242962.msg3480730#msg3480730 hold how this worked out	[04:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 42 @ 0.04999999 = 2.1 BTC [+]	[04:45]
benkay	BingoBoingo: anchors aren't working today	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	benkay: It is the bottom post on that page	[04:45]
benkay	well, in ffox anyways.	[04:45]
pankkake	ah, I'm not the only one!	[04:45]
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mircea_popescu	mp grins at BingoBoingo's link, knowing full well he was the original investor that insisted dooglus use a gpg scheme to certify investment movements.	[04:45]
mircea_popescu	apparently it caught on. win.	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that I was the one to tell that to dooglus.	[04:46]
pankkake	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=339544.msg4357086#msg4357086 http://www.bitcoincasinopro.com/ lol	[04:48]
ozbot	BitBet Stole ~$7,000 from me (10 BTC)	[04:48]
asciilifeform	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1427	[04:49]
ozbot	Loper OS » Cardano Prototype Tidbits: TRNG Boards.	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: I imagine this time last year he would have given Blockbet.net an A+++	[04:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9570 @ 0.00091287 = 8.7362 BTC [+] {2}	[04:54]
benkay	ah just you wait - someone's going to send in the .3 butts or w/e for a cardano and scream scam that it doesn't mine	[04:54]
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benkay	then nsa's name will be trashed on the forums forever	[04:54]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I'm looking through my investment records (ie staring wistfully at my vodka) and dun see any record of me having invested in just-dice	[04:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo me not you	[04:55]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[04:55]
pankkake	don't forget mp talks in the third person	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	sometimes :D	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	lol they're still derping on that topic ?	[04:56]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: I've tried translating MP a few times. Talking in the third person is the least tricky thing MP does.	[04:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.001 = 0.2 BTC [+]	[04:57]
pankkake	I have abandonned my trilema TL;DR project :(	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	sometimes he talks in french. other times he talks in odd words only.	[04:57]
pankkake	that bitbet think will never die	[04:57]
pankkake	thing	[04:57]
benkay	more like if you think its too long you probably don't have it in you to actually read it ;)	[04:58]
benkay	what, it's 10K!	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	i thought he was doing more like a public service thing	[04:58]
benkay	kid probably makes 2x that a year.	[04:58]
benkay	he can yell for six months at that rate before	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	benkay i thought it's diff kids carrying the torch. perhaps not.	[04:58]
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benkay	a self catalyzing bitchfest?	[04:59]
benkay	it's like a smouldering log - but whence the o2?	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's just fascinating.	[04:59]
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mircea_popescu	i would guess a large section of the us poor has never encountered this situation where an entity pointedly doesn't give a shit about them	[05:00]
pankkake	isn't it all the time?	[05:02]
pankkake	unless they get enough retweets	[05:02]
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mircea_popescu	no, see, there's a difference	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	case 1 : you go to an interview, they never call you back. you apply for a loan, they never call you back. you give a girl your number, she never calls you	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	case 2 : you got to an interview, they tell you you're fucking retarded and get lost	[05:04]
jcpham	f that	[05:04]
jcpham	+1	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	you apply for a loan, they tell you you're a fucking prole and you may never ever have a loan	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	you give a girl a number and she laughs her ass off	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	very different things these	[05:05]
pankkake	once I went to an interview, they never called me back, but it was mutual	[05:05]
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CuWireBeard	Oh no rejection, however will a person press on!	[05:10]
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BingoBoingo	Oh, Auburn is still winning at half time 21-10. However will line betting survive.	[05:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00091265 = 4.1982 BTC [-]	[05:19]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.00456948 = 0.4432 BTC [+]	[05:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.04999999 = 0.45 BTC [+]	[05:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 271 @ 0.00294 = 0.7967 BTC [+] {2}	[05:26]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10663 @ 0.00091323 = 9.7378 BTC [+] {3}	[05:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3745 @ 0.00091344 = 3.4208 BTC [+]	[05:45]
asciilifeform	http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/01/05/fbi_drops_law_enforcement_as_primary_mission	[05:45]
ozbot	FBI Drops Law Enforcement as 'Primary' Mission	[05:45]
benkay	they see the writing on the wall w/r/t drug seizures funding their operations, i gather.	[05:51]
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mircea_popescu	benkay more like, "what law".	[06:04]
asciilifeform	'national security' might as well 'lettre de cachet enforcement'. wonder why they bothered formalizing it.	[06:06]
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mircea_popescu	i doubt there's any intent involved	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	3rd rate paper writer wrote a word he liked.	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	According to a recent Pew Research Center survey, more than five-in-ten members of the public and roughly six-in-ten members of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), a nonpartisan membership organization and think tank specializing in U.S. foreign policy, agree that the United States plays a less important role around the world than it did a decade ago.	[06:09]
mircea_popescu	jeez, and here i thought i'm a lone prophet in a sea of denial	[06:10]
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mircea_popescu	where's pew find these members of the public ?!	[06:10]
Duffer1	the northern and coastal states	[06:10]
Duffer1	did you see the top gear where the guys drove through alabama/georgia?	[06:11]
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mircea_popescu	i don't think i ever saw top gear	[06:11]
Duffer1	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKcJ-0bAHB4	[06:12]
ozbot	Run out of Alabama - Offensive cars - Top Gear - Series 9 - BBC - YouTube	[06:12]
Duffer1	and a bit extra (comments on that episode) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jG0D2nRGrQ	[06:13]
KRS1	top gear is great, u.s. version sux	[06:13]
mircea_popescu	aha	[06:14]
mircea_popescu	,d	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	.d	[06:16]
ozbot	1418481395.26264 \| Next Diff in 1170 blocks \| Estimated Change: 14.4584% in 6d 22h 38m 28s	[06:16]
Duffer1	btw, top gear UK is a great show even if you're not into cars	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	im notmuch into tv	[06:17]
pankkake	lol reminds me of redneck rampage	[06:19]
Duffer1	oh shit i completely forgot about that game	[06:19]
Duffer1	http://www.gog.com/game/redneck_rampage_collection	[06:20]
ozbot	Redneck Rampage Collection for download $5.99 - GOG.com	[06:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1862 @ 0.00091265 = 1.6994 BTC [-]	[06:22]
benkay	you guys i hate fucking with legacy js	[06:24]
benkay	will fuck with not legacy js for btc	[06:24]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com \|\| http://log.bitcoin-assets.com - most days worth reading \|\| http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com - all days worth reading	[13:27]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Nov 27 22:34:53 2013	[13:27]
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mircea_popescu	.d	[13:31]
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mircea_popescu	someone must have delivered something	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	who was it ?	[13:31]
Duffer1	likely hashfast	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	aha	[13:34]
jurov	oh #bitcoin-assets, the place to go for holy wars about lisp and cereals	[13:34]
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mircea_popescu	waitwut ?	[13:35]
jurov	today's log	[13:36]
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jurov	not holy wars wars, admittedly	[13:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 150 @ 0.001 = 0.15 BTC [+]	[13:36]
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mircea_popescu	but to clear the air,	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVGvszaIr-w	[13:37]
ozbot	Dull Surprise - MST3K - YouTube	[13:37]
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mircea_popescu	and also, https://www.google.com/search?q=gurning&complete=0&tbm=isch&tbo=u	[13:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.0245 = 0.1225 BTC [+]	[13:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 50 @ 0.024 = 1.2 BTC [-]	[13:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.46 = 4.6 BTC [+]	[13:58]
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jurov	* mircea_popescu had just grepped the log for lisp, found 0 hits :D rly?	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov this client doesn't log when im offline see	[14:14]
jurov	good idea sometimes	[14:14]
mircea_popescu	yup	[14:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]	[14:18]
mircea_popescu	"The picture book Hair in Funny Places is intended to reassure kids about to go through puberty. With pictures of a young girl's insides being taken over by grotesque furry monsters representing hormones."	[14:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 16 @ 0.450125 = 7.202 BTC [-] {2}	[14:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 157 @ 0.02479958 = 3.8935 BTC [+] {2}	[14:43]
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Namworld	You know, I seem to see many co start accepting Bitcoin stating because of numerous demands from customers. But I can't help but feel those Bitcoin customers are over-represented simply because they are very vocal about it and push it to all businesses they know.	[15:01]
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mircea_popescu	you are spot on the money.	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	this is why i don't really encourage the sort of hollow millitantism the "community" seems to think is the one important thing to do, and i doubt anyone's smart to encourage it.	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	you gain nothing by frustrating the people you want to work with	[15:06]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.46 BTC [+]	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/ill-tell-you-what-impressed-me-today/	[15:32]
ozbot	I’ll tell you what impressed me today. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[15:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11056 @ 0.00091333 = 10.0978 BTC [+]	[15:42]
Neil	mircea_popescu: Why is bitbet proposition "betsofbitco.in to shut down in 2014 Rejection reason: Too late." rejected? It has 1 year to run.	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	isn't this that scammy venue that pushed the original bfl bets back in march ?	[15:43]
Neil	Yeah	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	well... i would guess what they mean is that by now it doesn't matter anymore. it might as well be closed.	[15:43]
Neil	Um, ok :)	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	purely technical argument, how would you establish it did in fact close ? whether someone somewhere can afford shared hosting to put some html up for the rest of the year ?	[15:44]
Neil	Several independent credible complaints about lack of payout, or the site just goes offline	[15:44]
Neil	I'm pissed because they've not resolved several bets from 2013 still	[15:45]
Neil	(though they've paid out several, so it's not as if they're planning a run, yet)	[15:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 96 @ 0.46648937 = 44.783 BTC [+] {5}	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	i hear ya.	[15:48]
Neil	I've decided to get out though; bitbet is more transparent, being maintained (BoB not updated in 3 years), resolves fairly promptly, and now seems to have more interest.	[15:49]
mircea_popescu	it always had more interest, you kidding ?	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	march bfl bet was like 1k	[15:51]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	1500 actually	[15:52]
ozbot	BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	bitco.in thing pushed what, 300 was it ?	[15:52]
Neil	Well until recently they had a higher total bettage in all I think. Now they look like they've died (check it out).	[15:53]
Neil	Recently == 9 months ago-ish	[15:53]
mircea_popescu	lol ok, 9 months ago bitbet was 2 months old or some shit	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/619/bitcoin-difficulty-at-or-above-2b-before-feb/	[15:55]
ozbot	BitBet - Bitcoin difficulty at or above 2B before Feb 2014	[15:55]
Neil	What's with all the recent sports bets? Trying to get focus there? They don't seem to be attracting much interest.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	holy mothefucking mary on a stick	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	talk about volume ? ~500 btc bet just came through	[15:55]
Neil	wow	[15:55]
Neil	You had a 500 in the bet you linked above, the BFL one	[15:56]
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Neil	Lol, the payout address is 1BUST	[15:57]
mircea_popescu	i had nothing to do with this one.	[15:58]
Neil	Oh you did the other one?	[15:58]
Neil	Are bitbet employees permitted to bet PA?	[15:58]
Neil	employees/owners	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	the source oif this one seems to be https://blockchain.info/address/151d4rzMhRnyfYUvHrvfADcgKgNdjMmLsd	[15:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9900 @ 0.00091284 = 9.0371 BTC [-] {2}	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	Neil how will you verify who bets ? they're permitted by default, as you'd never know	[16:00]
Neil	Of course. Just wondering if there was a "policy".	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell neil well my policy is to not make untenable policies	[16:02]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[16:02]
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kakobrekla	o, bitbet whales surface again	[16:14]
mircea_popescu	honestly the odds for the no side don't look so bad now	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	.d	[16:16]
ozbot	1418481395.26264 \| Next Diff in 1100 blocks \| Estimated Change: 14.6108% in 6d 12h 24m 40s	[16:16]
mircea_popescu	it's still perfectly possible it doesn't cross	[16:16]
Namworld	lol http://www.lamboparity.com/	[16:17]
Duffer1	is that goat's lambo?	[16:17]
Namworld	No clue	[16:18]
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kakobrekla	pft only 200 btc	[16:23]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla Calculator:	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	placing a winning 360 BTC bet on:	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	Yes pays: 397.68477148 BTC	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	No pays: 730.01195226 BTC	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	you know i thinkthat's broked ?	[16:23]
kakobrekla	hm	[16:24]
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mircea_popescu	o no wait, it includes your 360	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	nm	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	it's fine	[16:24]
kakobrekla	k	[16:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00091577 = 9.9361 BTC [+] {2}	[16:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 30 @ 0.00363333 = 0.109 BTC [-] {3}	[16:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 43 @ 0.00340147 = 0.1463 BTC [-] {2}	[16:30]
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ArsKisS	http://plutuscryptocapital.com/	[16:32]
ArsKisS	seems like eben scam?	[16:32]
ArsKisS	or just project with nobody that make a website?	[16:32]
ArsKisS	+can	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	seems like more of the same.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	"Plutus is managed by a crypto-currency enthusiast and risk management specialist located in Canada with 10+ years of experience in studying/working as an actuary with relevant experience in statistics/mathematics, trading, fund management and entrepreneurship. "	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	also known as a 14 yo aspiring student from mainlaind china with a space alien treasure hunter millionaire friend	[16:34]
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ArsKisS	:D	[16:37]
ArsKisS	mircea_popescu, sounds legit	[16:37]
ArsKisS	btw they have 100k or 1M shares to sell?	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	among numerous other things, bitcoin has been a fascinating exercise in displaying just how clueless people are when it comes to... who they are.	[16:38]
ArsKisS	it's a bit confusing how it's put on cryptostocks	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	apparently most anyone has no idea.	[16:38]
ArsKisS	mircea_popescu :D	[16:38]
ArsKisS	you should have a youtube channel "angry bitcoin nerd" where you rate businesses	[16:38]
ArsKisS	i would tip	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	all i've done on youtube is burn the koran	[16:41]
Duffer1	ha	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	well, the bible too	[16:41]
Duffer1	ha	[16:41]
ArsKisS	mircea_popescu, you should expand!	[16:42]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=397827.msg4359726#msg4359726	[16:42]
ozbot	[WTS] Casascius coins.	[16:42]
mircea_popescu	how much bacon can a person eat	[16:42]
ArsKisS	just take one episode for one scammer "business"	[16:42]
nubbins`	^ shit getting heavy ;(	[16:42]
assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 5000 @ 0.002 = 10 BTC [-]	[16:43]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: pascale used to have a roommate who would stock up on "storm bacon" whenever bad weather was coming	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` anything deeper than random muppets trading forum posts there ?	[16:43]
ArsKisS	bacon <3	[16:43]
nubbins`	because, y'know, you might need to eat a pound of bacon when the power goes out	[16:43]
ArsKisS	where do you need that storm for?	[16:43]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: nah, just a bit lelly because i have the accused's home address. keeping an eye on it 8)	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	a a	[16:44]
nubbins`	people forget these things	[16:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 146 @ 0.0045054 = 0.6578 BTC [-] {2}	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	anyway, there is something satisfying about a rich southern breakfast as the storm rages outside , but my bacon comment was mostly in-context joke re the scriptures burning stuff	[16:47]
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nubbins`	nod	[16:49]
nubbins`	do not eat the flesh of the swine, for it is too delicious and you will not stop	[16:49]
nubbins`	i ground a kilo of pork shoulder into sausages the other day and forgot to add any salt or spices :(	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[16:50]
mircea_popescu	;;tslb	[16:51]
gribble	Time since last block: 3 minutes and 43 seconds	[16:51]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[16:53]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| None based on data since last change \| 1858132456.52 based on data for last three days	[16:53]
ThickAsThieves	lets just get it over with and get 2bn on this round	[16:53]
kakobrekla	>The intention of this thread is to post analysis on short to medium term fiat/BTC price developments, scenarios, portfolio allocation, etc. what fits the topic. No double bottoms, ad hominem, trolling or low level comments. As usual, your post will be deleted if not conforming to guidelines above.	[16:54]
kakobrekla	first self reply starts with > Now I am smoking Cohiba Piramides, which is quite nice in the premium midsize category (75 minutes).	[16:54]
kakobrekla	guess the poster	[16:54]
nubbins`	Diablo-D3: i was too excited. i had it all mixed up and everything, just forgot to sprinkle it over the meat before feeding it.	[16:54]
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nubbins`	kakobrekla: Vexual	[16:55]
kakobrekla	nope	[16:55]
kakobrekla	more clues, it continiues with: > No wine. Even if I did, it would be port, the only kind that goes with cigars.	[16:55]
kakobrekla	cmon its too easy already	[16:56]
Duffer1	sounds like me	[16:56]
nubbins`	nod. considered it. i'll probably just spice them while they're cooking tho	[16:56]
nubbins`	i ended up aborting the sausage and just making a pile of ground pork with the second half, which i did spice	[16:56]
ThickAsThieves	kako, goat?	[16:57]
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kakobrekla	ThickAsThieves , english too good.	[16:57]
nubbins`	hahaha	[16:57]
ThickAsThieves	Dr. Greg?	[16:57]
nubbins`	i cheated and googled. isn't that the guy who was compiling the "bitcoin most richest" list?	[16:58]
kakobrekla	nope	[16:58]
kakobrekla	fu nubbins`	[16:58]
nubbins`	D:	[16:58]
kakobrekla	you broke the game	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:58]
kakobrekla	i ban you	[16:58]
nubbins`	TBH never would have guessed in a million years	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	i shoulda known	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves lolz	[16:58]
kakobrekla	it was obvious cmon	[16:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 36 @ 0.02479988 = 0.8928 BTC [+] {2}	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	guess the poster << superdorkee ?	[16:59]
nubbins`	nah, i don't know that guy from moses	[16:59]
kakobrekla	nah, nubbins` spoiled it, its tortilla dude	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	yes yes, superdamenblues	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	(it was very obvious fwiw)	[17:00]
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nubbins`	;(	[17:01]
nubbins`	<--ruiner	[17:01]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/TjtsjCm.jpg	[17:01]
nubbins`	^ did i post that last night? can't recall	[17:01]
nubbins`	still laughing at it	[17:01]
Duffer1	i feel like posting that in the mintspare thread	[17:02]
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ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	one of my cats particularly likes getting in boxes	[17:03]
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mircea_popescu	.d	[17:03]
ozbot	1418481395.26264 \| Next Diff in 1094 blocks \| Estimated Change: 14.6013% in 6d 11h 40m 2s	[17:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves IT DROPPED!	[17:03]
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ThickAsThieves	nonsense	[17:03]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitcoinwisdom.com/bitcoin/difficulty	[17:04]
ozbot	Bitcoin Difficulty and Hashrate Chart - BitcoinWisdom	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	;;estimate	[17:04]
gribble	Next difficulty estimate \| None based on data since last change \| 1858132456.52 based on data for last three days	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	was 15% earlier	[17:04]
mircea_popescu	now 14.6	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	itll be 20% by the change	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	look at that spike in the link	[17:05]
ThickAsThieves	the grey line	[17:05]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[17:05]
ThickAsThieves	all those ASICs	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-small-lin-ever.png	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	i like this chart	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	"there is no future. for sometime in january, it went vertical"	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	thus therefore tomorrow never comes anymore	[17:06]
nubbins`	tat, http://i.imgur.com/TMm3pox.jpg	[17:06]
nubbins`	i was told it's because a lot of kittens are born in cardboard boxes, but our cat came from a farm and she loves 'em. i think it's just because there's a bit of give to the bottoms, and they can dig claws into 'em fairly easily	[17:07]
ThickAsThieves	what happens to all these ASICs in a year?	[17:07]
ThickAsThieves	landfill?	[17:07]
Duffer1	sha256 clones	[17:08]
Duffer1	and fantasy	[17:08]
nubbins`	yeah	[17:08]
nubbins`	memecoin x1000	[17:08]
nubbins`	half-seriously considering forking "fleececoin" and you have to pay 0.01 btc to download the client	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	if they burn for a year straight that'll be decent performance.	[17:08]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 250 @ 0.001 = 0.25 BTC [+]	[17:09]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 apparently hashfast didn't deliver	[17:11]
Duffer1	it's quite amazing how reliable that trend is	[17:11]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[17:11]
Duffer1	i guess i'm still new enough to be surprised	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	srsly, is the spike in hashpower bfl ?!	[17:12]
Duffer1	the only way that could happen is if their monarchs are real and ready	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 53 @ 0.00469997 = 0.2491 BTC [+] {3}	[17:13]
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mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=280630.40	[17:15]
ozbot	BFL Monarch - Delivery Dates	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	seems about as likely as that chick last night actually being a faerie	[17:15]
nubbins`	interesting to note, fairy lore is taken very seriously by old timers here	[17:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5312 @ 0.00091845 = 4.8788 BTC [+] {2}	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	https://forums.butterflylabs.com/monarch-discussion/7065-monarch-delivery.html	[17:16]
ozbot	Monarch Delivery?	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	apparently, they've given up even on censoring their forums	[17:16]
Duffer1	it's hard to damn up the ocean	[17:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3488 @ 0.00092041 = 3.2104 BTC [+]	[17:17]
mircea_popescu	not on the internet. something awful's been doing it for two decades.	[17:17]
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nubbins`	my friend works at a hardware store and was explaining this fairy stuff to the younger workers	[17:19]
nubbins`	they thought he was full of shit	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00296489 = 0.2965 BTC [+]	[17:19]
nubbins`	so he started asking every customer with grey hair why one would carry bread in one's pocket when walking in the woods	[17:19]
nubbins`	without fail, the answer was an "are you stupid?" look, followed by "to keep the fairies away"	[17:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00296489 = 1.4824 BTC [+]	[17:20]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 71 @ 0.00296489 = 0.2105 BTC [+]	[17:21]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029808 = 0.5962 BTC [+]	[17:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.0029808 = 0.4501 BTC [+]	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	lol the new hashing is SO Hashfast and BFL	[17:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7562 @ 0.00092041 = 6.9601 BTC [+]	[17:26]
ThickAsThieves	the greed is just too overhwhelming when considering "Well we could just hash with these things for a few weeks, right?"	[17:27]
ThickAsThieves	cept BFL does months	[17:28]
Duffer1	imo it's still likely hashfast	[17:28]
Duffer1	even if it's just inhouse "testing"	[17:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 65 @ 0.00298089 = 0.1938 BTC [+]	[17:28]
Duffer1	i can't find anyone else, but that doesn't really mean much	[17:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 319 @ 0.00298999 = 0.9538 BTC [+] {2}	[17:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1106 @ 0.0029999 = 3.3179 BTC [+] {3}	[17:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00299997 = 0.453 BTC [+] {2}	[17:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 39 @ 0.00299998 = 0.117 BTC [+] {2}	[17:32]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6911 @ 0.00092041 = 6.361 BTC [+]	[17:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6689 @ 0.00092275 = 6.1723 BTC [+]	[17:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 350 @ 0.00166667 = 0.5833 BTC [-]	[17:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.0045102 = 0.451 BTC [-] {2}	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves perhaps you're right	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	alternatively of course it's that top secret beijing govt project all the talk was about	[17:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 10 @ 0.1014009 = 1.014 BTC [-] {3}	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	http://nypost.com/2014/01/06/spitzer-and-lis-smith-caught-in-topless-hot-tub-antics/	[17:51]
ozbot	Spitzer caught sucking Lis Smith’s toes in topless hot tub romp \| New York Post	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	someone needs to explain these people to the rest of the world.	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	what exactly is the big deal ?	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	"Sleazy Eliot Spitzer turned a resort hot tub into a steamy love cauldron over the weekend "	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:54]
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nubbins`	love cauldron	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	the best part is “It was gross,” said a hotel witness, and who walked over to catch an eyeful.	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	all in the same sentence.	[17:54]
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mircea_popescu	i mean, coming out of the sand niggers i could see complete barbarism of the sort.	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	but the new york post talking of public fucking in these terms is disgraceful,	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	"The disgraced Spitzer — infamous for wearing his signature black knee socks while having sex with hookers — appears to have a bit of a foot fetish as well, according to onlookers."	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	especially as no fucking fucking took place.	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	i didnt know he was so disgraced	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	yeah, another part of the alternate reality.	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	now i know	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	thank you nypost!	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	this read like theonion or sumth	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	reads*	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	no dude. us liberalism = topless women are disgusting and feet stink	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	wait is NY Post just a trashy tabloid?	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	we're in 1800 subsaharan africa nao, under the englightened leadership of the least literate group of ignoramuses ever to grace the light of day	[17:57]
nubbins`	sounds like it	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think we're sposed to take this website seriously	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves it's one of the oldest and most circulated us papers.	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	founded by hamilton	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	course murdoch ruined it, but anyway.	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	well i'm viewing their prize-winning bikini celeb gallery now	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	so many unsexy 45yo women	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	padma and rihanna are hot tho	[17:59]
kakobrekla	rihanna is 45?	[17:59]
kakobrekla	urlpls	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	wasn't she born in the 70s ?!	[17:59]
Duffer1	1988	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	i'm referring to the unsexy ones, remember	[18:00]
rbonestell	I've pinged the havelock channel already, does anyone here know how I can get price history data for charts from havelock? Maybe someone here wrote assbot?	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	not a real black person	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	speaking of unreal black people: http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2014/01/07/kanyes-lawyer-moves-to-block-coinye/	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	rbonestell kakobrekla wrote assbot	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	you can get data from him, see the website (it's in the chan topic)	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Hot Topics:	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Apple	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Twitter	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Bitcoin	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	NSA Surveillance	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Microsoft CEO Search	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Amazon's Delivery Drone	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	Wireless Savings Calculator	[18:03]
rbonestell	mircea_popescu: Thanks!	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	i guess we rule the ws huh.	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	wireless savings?	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	ad link?	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	this is gonna make Kanye so angry	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	they are distribut9ing the code today	[18:05]
ThickAsThieves	should be a nice gem	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves did i say it's unauthorised then ? i did. did i say i hope they get sued ? i don't recall	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	byut prolly.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	is this going to result in a lot of lol ? definitely!	[18:06]
rbonestell	mircea_popescu, is that just MPEX connectivity?	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	rbonestell "that"	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	drama to feed the bitcoin beast	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	when will Bernanke come after pankake?	[18:08]
rbonestell	sorry, does bitcoin-assets.com only have connectivity info for mpex?	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	no.	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	rbonestell, talk to topace, he made the Havelock API	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	or email support@	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves more subtle than that : humiliation to feed the observation that fiat can either submit willingly or be forced to submit to our standards.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	kinda unfortunate that in this case fiat world's ignorance provides a white piece of bread for some assholes,	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	but i did say either get in the wot or get raped a while back. had kayne listened then he wouldn't have the problem today.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	he instead chose to hire lawyers. well... gotta learn somehow who makes the rules and who one should obey.	[18:13]
ThickAsThieves	if he were in the wot, what would have happened instead?	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1umkrm/we_work_for_a_major_retailer_heres_the_problem_we/	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the wrangle is over how likely people are to mistake the coin for his	[18:14]
ThickAsThieves	"Edit: So far most everyone is suggesting we just process returns in $US, which is fine, except that really proves that BTC is not a currency, but a payment method. "	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	if he were i nthe wot such mistake would have been impossible	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	buyt as he is not in the wot, the fact of the matter is that as far as bitcoin is concerned, his identity belongs more to the "seven dorks" than to him himself	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	well even if they know it's not his, the makers are still benefiting form his name	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	and there's jack shit the powers he thought are powerful can do to help him	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	he'd sue anyway	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	well, maybe not sue	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	but yknow	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	i don't.	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	if someone makes mpcoin, what of it ?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	some muppets may think it is in fact mpcoin. what of it ?	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	i'm not saying he should care	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin is forcing very deep resettlement of values, far reaching.	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	just that since he does	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	being in the wot doesnt change anything	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	well since he does, he's invested in the wrong thing.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	being in the wot'd have allowed him to bring meaningful proof.	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	being friends with lawyers does not do the same service.	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think kanye needs wot to prove anything to anyone	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	apparently he does.	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	however, if he were in wot, he may have been left be	[18:17]
ThickAsThieves	and some other celeb targeted	[18:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6592 @ 0.00091902 = 6.0582 BTC [-]	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	this is what it is : no wot, you're the nigger. no matter how greatly accomplished you may think you are in your community,	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	it does not pay a cent.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	im sure plenty of slaves were esteemed members of their community before being taken across the sea, too.	[18:18]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=396068.0 that is a pretty amazing logo	[18:18]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[18:18]
ozbot	[ANN][COYE] Coinye Coin - Launch: JANUARY 7, 2014. 7 PM PST	[18:18]
Duffer1	i need a cascas of that	[18:18]
ThickAsThieves	i love the idea of Kanye lurking bitcointalk.org	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[18:19]
ThickAsThieves	"These nerdy motherfuckers!""	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	indeed lol	[18:20]
Duffer1	the bigger the fuss he chooses to create, the more valuable the coin will become	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	yup	[18:20]
Duffer1	fkin brilliant	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	no one knows how to make a fuss like kanye	[18:20]
BingoBoingo	Maybe Kanye eventually starts doing thing the right way and outsources handling Bitcointalk to a Kardashian	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	just another restatement of "fiat is dead"	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	this could get bigger	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo lawl	[18:20]
Duffer1	lol bb	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	lemme check the rap blogs	[18:20]
Duffer1	if you don't find anything feel free to start some posts, brb downloading wallet	[18:21]
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ThickAsThieves	it's in PC world, Washington Post, Wired, The Guardian, Geek.com, CNBC, Slashgear	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	its everywhere i guess	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	http://m.mtv.com/blogs/rapfix_post.rbml?id=2014/01/03/kanye-west-inspires-coinye-currency/	[18:23]
ozbot	MTV Mobile Blog Rapfix: Kanye West Inspires 'CoinYe' Currency	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	http://noisey.vice.com/en_uk/read/screw-bitcoin-and-dogecoin-theres-a-new-kanye-west-themed-cryptocurrency-on-the-way	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	poor dogecoin hgolders	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	they're fucked.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i'	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	m so happy the hot retardation core is moving away from bitcoin in this manner.	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	really the altchains are doing a lot for us.	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00299998 = 3 BTC [+]	[18:24]
Duffer1	ever since coingen it's been impossible to read the alt forum	[18:25]
topace	havelock api has /r/trades	[18:26]
topace	to get trade history	[18:26]
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nubbins`	coinye	[19:01]
nubbins`	lel	[19:01]
jurov	https://www.bitstamp.net/ lol looky	[19:01]
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nubbins`	honestly not sure about blacklilac's thread, tbh	[19:02]
nubbins`	i mean	[19:02]
nubbins`	if i was selling coins on the forum and some dude came in with scam accusations, i'd remove his posts too	[19:02]
jurov	why they thought it's good idea to have "and it's gone" 404 page	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	jurov whoa srsly ?	[19:02]
nubbins`	wait, wrong chan.	[19:02]
nubbins`	clever error pages are fucking brutal.	[19:03]
mircea_popescu	but why would it 404 the root ?	[19:03]
nubbins`	i guess because none of the default pages exist ;p	[19:03]
jurov	https://www.bitstamp.net/account/login/ works	[19:04]
ozbot	Login - Bitstamp	[19:04]
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mircea_popescu	odd	[19:06]
nubbins`	at an old job, i was tasked with cleaning up a website that was having problems with sql injection attacks. so i changed a query string variable, and -- no shit -- was brought to a page that said this:	[19:07]
nubbins`	"oh, look! you can manipulate the query string! good for you, how clever!"	[19:07]
nubbins`	i actually had to borrow a co-worker so i could triple facepalm	[19:08]
nubbins`	nope, that was the way the site was designed.	[19:11]
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nubbins`	unprofessionalism aside, that's practically begging to be challenged	[19:12]
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topace	!ticker h hmf	[19:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HMF] 1D: 0.02400000 / 0.02460495 / 0.02480000 (312 shares, 7.67674477 BTC), 7D: 0.02000000 / 0.02376939 / 0.02539899 (1200 shares, 28.52327090 BTC), 30D: 0.01681006 / 0.02291871 / 0.02990000 (5734 shares, 131.41589732 BTC)	[19:17]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SFI] 3000 @ 0.001 = 3 BTC [+]	[19:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00464675 = 0.1905 BTC [-] {2}	[19:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 151 @ 0.00451593 = 0.6819 BTC [-] {3}	[19:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00450152 = 0.2836 BTC [-] {2}	[19:41]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 5 @ 0.1008204 = 0.5041 BTC [-] {3}	[19:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 218 @ 0.004494 = 0.9797 BTC [-]	[19:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00091782 = 1.6062 BTC [-]	[20:07]
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Namworld	and it's gone... it's gone, it's all gone	[20:10]
Namworld	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TlPo0yCSa4	[20:10]
ozbot	South Park vs. Cafe Del Mar - And It's Gone (Johannes Dahlberg Financial Crisis Mash) - YouTube	[20:10]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/04/the-british-punk-band-that-fooled-reagan-thatcher-and-the-cia.html	[20:12]
ozbot	The British Punk Band That Fooled Reagan, Thatcher And The CIA - The Daily Beast	[20:12]
ThickAsThieves	(Crass)	[20:12]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3250 @ 0.00091602 = 2.9771 BTC [-]	[20:14]
topace	fuck	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	?	[20:14]
kakobrekla	!b 1	[20:14]
topace	every time i go to order from bitcoinstore.com the shipping price is tghrough the roof	[20:14]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1540997/plain/)	[20:14]
kakobrekla	meh	[20:14]
ThickAsThieves	sniped	[20:14]
topace	Shipping: International Economy 1.740 BTC [$1,508.76]	[20:14]
topace	so i email them and they fix it	[20:15]
topace	but then the price drops so i dont order	[20:15]
topace	then a few days later, their shipping module is fucked again	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	topace, it's time i should warn you	[20:15]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin is volatile	[20:15]
topace	heh	[20:15]
topace	its not bitcoin volatility im worried about here	[20:15]
topace	is the fact that their website wants to charge me $1500 for shipping a $2000 order	[20:16]
topace	(nothing large/heavy)	[20:16]
ThickAsThieves	its a website's lack of ability to cope with it	[20:16]
topace	mostly small shit, like harddrives, security cameras, etc	[20:16]
topace	[13:14:41] mostly small shit, like harddrives, security cameras, etc	[20:17]
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topace	yea well on bitcoinstore.com the only option that appears for me is fedex	[20:19]
topace	at $1500	[20:19]
topace	for my $2000 order	[20:19]
ThickAsThieves	gas sure is expensive	[20:19]
topace	no, just regular economy	[20:20]
ThickAsThieves	maybe they dont like going to canada	[20:20]
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nubbins`	fedex is great, but costly	[20:24]
nubbins`	they'll get you your package	[20:24]
nubbins`	but i can't recall ever having paid less than like $80 to ship something with them	[20:24]
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bounce	a designed by ikea case, so it fits in an envelope?	[20:28]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3111 @ 0.00091902 = 2.8591 BTC [+]	[20:29]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13648 @ 0.00091824 = 12.5321 BTC [-]	[20:37]
arij	the20year, a pc case for miners?	[20:40]
arij	pics?	[20:40]
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arij	renders? nothing?	[20:41]
arij	i see	[20:41]
arij	its for GPUs?	[20:41]
arij	how many can it hold?	[20:41]
arij	i am certainly interested	[20:42]
arij	5 per rig is what i have now	[20:42]
arij	i just bought some custom cases but i want to see what else is out there	[20:42]
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