Forum logs for 07 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/r4owdc2.png << the mantises i was talking about a coupla days ago	[00:23]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NQ98Tx )	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	Who needs signatures when you have "witnesses" https://archive.is/kkGjj	[00:23]
assbot	multiple new BIP proposals coming up on day 2 of scaling bitcoin HK : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NQ99a0 )	[00:23]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski Were you still writing up something on the Tesla emissions scandal?	[00:27]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[00:27]
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BingoBoingo	!up sinner-	[00:28]
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herbijudlestoids	hello hello hello	[00:28]
herbijudlestoids	i was in the neighbourhood and thought id drop in	[00:29]
herbijudlestoids	hows life, assets!	[00:29]
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ben_vulpes	heya herbi	[00:30]
BingoBoingo	Life is not as bad as your connection	[00:30]
ben_vulpes	lolk	[00:30]
ben_vulpes	what is this neighborhood anyways	[00:31]
phf	franky fingers says those transactions are fine, capiche	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/dis-rumption.jpg << bwahaha the stuff that's on trilema.	[00:36]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NQapKe )	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	i get lost in there.	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	started looking for an article which essentially consists of a picture of a derpy kid in a very messy room (includes an oirange traffic cone) with various "busioness" and "internet tough guy" captions	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	anyone recall what the fuck i titled it ?	[00:37]
ben_vulpes	even vexual remembers herbi	[00:37]
BingoBoingo	;;google trilema traffic cone internet tough guy	[00:42]
gribble	MIT:	[00:42]
danielpbarron	price per american press"	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	heh	[00:45]
danielpbarron	prometheus including haught holy horrors see below	[00:45]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron saywut ?	[00:47]
danielpbarron	from that vocabulary.txt	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	aj	[00:48]
ben_vulpes	more stego'd private keys	[00:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 125650 @ 0.00047674 = 59.9024 BTC [-] {9}	[01:06]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51000 @ 0.0004866 = 24.8166 BTC [+] {4}	[01:42]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka internoc24.com is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/	[01:58]
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BingoBoingo	!up ascii_field	[02:11]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337617 << now iirc mircea_popescu was trying out firms specializing in 'bulletproof' l337 sp4mz0r hosting. so i for one am not the least bit surprised that they kept his money	[02:12]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 04:56:14; deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka internoc24.com is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/	[02:12]
ascii_field	not that there is any alternative to this, mind you	[02:12]
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ascii_field	(if i knew of one, i'd have a motherfucking box)	[02:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31642 @ 0.00047766 = 15.1141 BTC [-] {2}	[02:13]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.stripes.com/brutality-of-1994-panama-fight-still-resonates-with-u-s-troops-1.162729?localLinksEnabled=false	[02:19]
assbot	Brutality of 1994 Panama fight still resonates with U.S. troops - Stripes ... ( http://bit.ly/1XO6FO0 )	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform wut ?	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	lmao. us soldiers "were just trying to get college loans and dental", didn't sign up to actually fight.	[02:23]
mircea_popescu	and WHAT IS THIS BULLYING! VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70705 @ 0.0004831 = 34.1576 BTC [+] {2}	[02:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62100 @ 0.00048685 = 30.2334 BTC [+] {2}	[02:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107900 @ 0.00048833 = 52.6908 BTC [+] {4}	[02:48]
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BingoBoingo	"Less than half of Amerine’s platoon was healthy enough to participate, but this time they were armed with shotguns and tear gas, and they moved in at 3 a.m. Things went off without a hitch." << For the record this is now US policia SOP	[03:10]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b4	[03:31]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b5	[03:31]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b7	[03:31]
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punkman	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337617 << must run cloudflares!!! my sides	[03:55]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 04:56:14; deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka internoc24.com is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - http://trilema.com/2015/internoc24-llc-aka-internoc24com-is-a-scam-or-how-milan-dragan-slatjovic-stole-700-euro-from-me/	[03:55]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17034 @ 0.00048974 = 8.3422 BTC [+] {2}	[04:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15742 @ 0.0004881 = 7.6837 BTC [-] {2}	[04:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42014 @ 0.00048748 = 20.481 BTC [-] {2}	[04:17]
BingoBoingo	;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter?	[04:26]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:26]
BingoBoingo	How do the Fender Flags handle in the snow?	[04:26]
deedbot-	[Qntra] Tesla Mimicks VW In Own Nitrous Oxide Scandal - http://qntra.net/2015/12/tesla-mimicks-vw-in-own-nitrous-oxide-scandal/	[04:26]
punkman	"We implement segregated witness right now, soon. What we do is discount the witness data by 75% for block size. So this enables us to say we allow 4x as many signatures in the chain. What this normally corresponds to, with a difficult transaction load, this is around 75% capacity increase for transactions that choose to use it. Another way of looking at it, is that we raise the block size	[04:38]
punkman	to 4 MB for the witness part, but the non-witness has same size. The reason for doing the discount, last slide, the reason for doing this discount is that it disincentivizes UTXO impact. A signature that doesn't go into the UTXO set, can be pruned."	[04:38]
punkman	they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they?	[04:38]
punkman	http://qntra.net/2015/12/f2pool-lashes-out-when-called-out-for-spv-mining/ "This guy leaked our IP addresses to the public, I pm him kindly and begged him to remove them but he refused. If we ever got DDoSed due to his post, we have no choices but point our domains to his pool."	[04:45]
assbot	F2Pool Lashes Out When Called Out For SPV Mining \| Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1R4qYCF )	[04:45]
punkman	ah the lulz	[04:45]
BingoBoingo	they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they? << Yes	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	punkman: I'm just happy Qntra already had a Discus Fish from an earlier story	[04:49]
punkman	tried their livestream yesterday, audio must have been recorded through $1 microphone in someone's pocket	[04:51]
BingoBoingo	Well last time they could afford a microphone was when they sold their BTC at $5 per and got out	[04:53]
punkman	"President Obama's former Deputy Press Secretary joins BitFury as new Chief Communications Officer: "Why I believe in the Blockchain and Why You Should Too""	[04:55]
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punkman	I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps	[04:57]
punkman	!s bitfury	[04:58]
assbot	315 results for 'bitfury' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitfury	[04:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55242 @ 0.00048287 = 26.6747 BTC [-] {3}	[04:59]
punkman	"Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75208 @ 0.00047948 = 36.0607 BTC [-] {4}	[05:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52697 @ 0.00048367 = 25.488 BTC [+] {2}	[05:18]
BingoBoingo	The internet's premier fitness community strikes again https://archive.is/Bq5aY	[05:20]
assbot	Injecting HCG directly into penis for dick gains? (Study inside) : steroids ... ( http://bit.ly/1POUmNb )	[05:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7712 @ 0.00048938 = 3.7741 BTC [+]	[05:28]
punkman	http://i.imgur.com/cOMyJlu.jpg	[05:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1POWFQv )	[05:33]
deedbot-	[Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Desperately trying to put the “auto” back into automobile in a flaccid attempt to put the relevance back into motoring. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/07/desperately-trying-to-put-the-auto-back-into-automobile-in-a-flaccid-attempt-to-put-the-relevance-back-into-motoring/	[05:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20800 @ 0.00048942 = 10.1799 BTC [+] {5}	[05:41]
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punkman	"Visitors to the fair were reportedly confused by the stabbing, mistaking it for performance art. The area was quickly marked off with police tape, which some people seem to have thought was part of the installation."	[05:48]
punkman	https://news.artnet.com/art-world/chaos-woman-brutally-stabbed-art-basel-miami-beach-386204	[05:48]
assbot	Woman Stabbed at Art Basel in Miami Beach - artnet News ... ( http://bit.ly/1PP07dH )	[05:48]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49042 @ 0.000488 = 23.9325 BTC [-] {2}	[05:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15758 @ 0.00047913 = 7.5501 BTC [-] {2}	[05:55]
davout	!up gmaxwell	[05:57]
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davout	!up gmaxwell	[05:58]
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gmaxwell	Mildly amusing: http://bitcoinocracy.com/arguments/bip101-is-better-than-bip100 I'm surprised that the 101 supporters have more than 1kbtc to their names.	[05:59]
assbot	Bitcoinocracy — BIP101 is better than BIP100 ... ( http://bit.ly/1PP2A86 )	[05:59]
davout	gmaxwell: curious how that thing behaves when funds move from signing addresses	[06:02]
BingoBoingo	gmaxwell: Well, you gotta figure if you have dollars and want to undermine bitcoin security at some point you're going to pick up some bitcoin.	[06:03]
gmaxwell	davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers.	[06:04]
gmaxwell	as there is a bug for "background update" or something	[06:04]
BingoBoingo	Anyways, it is still early in history. There can still be idiots out there with 4 digit BTC, though not too many.	[06:05]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49450 @ 0.00048998 = 24.2295 BTC [+] {2}	[06:05]
davout	i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum...	[06:06]
BingoBoingo	Not to mention the "Industry" BIP 101 supporters who can sign with "other people's" BTC	[06:06]
davout	well, if they have the keys...	[06:06]
gmaxwell	Yea, I'm anticipating that one; though it would require them to figure out how to signmessage. :P	[06:06]
gmaxwell	a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins...	[06:07]
davout	i doubt that	[06:07]
gmaxwell	:(	[06:07]
gmaxwell	I don't feel bad that you doubt it, I wouldn't have believed it if I'd not seen it myself. It does make a lot of things make more sense.	[06:08]
BingoBoingo	Coinbase and ButtPay are still derping along with Other People's Money	[06:09]
*	BingoBoingo still finding the "Jim Crow Signature Witness" thing extraordinarily disturbing	[06:13]
gmaxwell	Ah, looks like main source of the pro 101 funds is satoshibones.	[06:13]
fluffypony	[11:03:56] <+davout> i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum... <- a fool and his money...	[06:18]
gmaxwell	4-digit btc would have been like ...all of the ethereum presale, no?	[06:20]
punkman	didn't they get like 30k btc?	[06:20]
davout	i did not say 'all'	[06:20]
gmaxwell	fluffypony: well, customers of a gambling site... probably the case most excusable to use customer funds to support 101.	[06:22]
gmaxwell	(derps probably all support 101 too. :) )	[06:22]
fluffypony	lol	[06:22]
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punkman	100btc worth of ETH at launch, still worth 400btc now. wonder how this will turn out https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/	[06:29]
assbot	BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No \| closed 5 days 9 hours ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )	[06:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43600 @ 0.00048191 = 21.0113 BTC [-] {2}	[06:35]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16848 @ 0.00048191 = 8.1192 BTC [-] {2}	[06:43]
punkman	http://www.openalpr.com/	[06:44]
assbot	OpenALPR - Automatic License Plate Recognition ... ( http://bit.ly/1TRXBC9 )	[06:44]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86019 @ 0.00048297 = 41.5446 BTC [+] {2}	[07:18]
punkman	http://xenbits.xen.org/xsa/advisory-156.html	[07:20]
assbot	XSA-156 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( http://bit.ly/1m6wRmh )	[07:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00048297 = 4.509 BTC [+] {2}	[07:25]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100020 @ 0.00047821 = 47.8306 BTC [-] {4}	[07:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5530 @ 0.00047618 = 2.6333 BTC [-]	[07:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 132501 @ 0.00047974 = 63.566 BTC [-]	[07:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.0004826 = 12.5476 BTC [+] {2}	[07:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14568 @ 0.00047974 = 6.9889 BTC [-] {2}	[08:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90100 @ 0.00047814 = 43.0804 BTC [-] {3}	[08:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43532 @ 0.00047891 = 20.8479 BTC [+]	[08:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36197 @ 0.00047902 = 17.3391 BTC [+] {2}	[08:53]
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funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337681 <-- thanks for linking bitcoinocracy, it looks nice.	[09:12]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 09:02:03; gmaxwell: davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers.	[09:12]
funkenstein_	Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally	[09:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27203 @ 0.00047866 = 13.021 BTC [-]	[09:13]
funkenstein_	some more considerations if interested: http://frass.woodcoin.org/introducing-coin-vote/	[09:14]
assbot	Introducing Coin-Vote \| Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1YTSxzZ )	[09:14]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110829 @ 0.00048469 = 53.7177 BTC [+] {4}	[09:24]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 98373 @ 0.0004836 = 47.5732 BTC [-] {3}	[09:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62700 @ 0.00048003 = 30.0979 BTC [-]	[09:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34746 @ 0.00048003 = 16.6791 BTC [-]	[09:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63975 @ 0.00049051 = 31.3804 BTC [+] {4}	[09:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6342 @ 0.00048099 = 3.0504 BTC [-] {4}	[10:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86180 @ 0.00047528 = 40.9596 BTC [-] {2}	[10:01]
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mircea_popescu	!up leftbase	[10:06]
-assbot-	You voiced leftbase for 30 minutes.	[10:06]
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mircea_popescu	and in other news, http://45.media.tumblr.com/22a6dd68d169cffdf6c6a32c07688e43/tumblr_mv00n8Ncmn1rcmfhmo1_500.gif	[10:08]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TSI7hj )	[10:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00047558 = 6.8008 BTC [+]	[10:17]
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nubbins`	so i had a darknet vendor try to scam me	[10:19]
mircea_popescu	o ?	[10:20]
mircea_popescu	did peterl's analysis service save you ?	[10:21]
nubbins`	naw, a mod gave me my money back :/	[10:21]
nubbins`	mildly surprised at this	[10:21]
nubbins`	maybe the first time i've had an escrowed deal fall apart	[10:22]
mircea_popescu	he tried to scam you in spite of escrow ?	[10:22]
nubbins`	seems inconceivable, but yes.	[10:23]
mircea_popescu	they just get dumber and dumber, huh.	[10:23]
nubbins`	pkg marked shipped nov 5th	[10:23]
nubbins`	now, truthfully, i know why this happened	[10:23]
nubbins`	there was a peak in btc price around nov 5, when i placed order	[10:24]
nubbins`	vendor prob thought he'd get less $ than he deserved by the time money cleared escrow	[10:24]
nubbins`	so he just never sent anything	[10:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00047891 = 47.7952 BTC [+] {4}	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	and marked it shipped just in case he needs extra points with mod ?	[10:25]
nubbins`	yep.	[10:25]
nubbins`	mod ("OxyMonster", lel) was unimpressed	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	o look, somebody got butthurt at trilema, and figured ddos totally is going to do something! this time!	[10:25]
mircea_popescu	i wonder what could have it been! this time!	[10:26]
punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CVlcAhsXIAAMCwj.jpg:large	[10:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TSNehs )	[10:31]
mircea_popescu	i see your bitchez and raise you a public servant. http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ll98dyvViD1qeezkyo1_1280.png	[10:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1R4X01l )	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337644 << epic. lmao.	[10:35]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 07:24:31; deedbot-: [Qntra] Tesla Mimicks VW In Own Nitrous Oxide Scandal - http://qntra.net/2015/12/tesla-mimicks-vw-in-own-nitrous-oxide-scandal/	[10:35]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337647 << it's very dubious this actually does anything above and beyond allowing a bunch of doofuses to claim they're doing things in an academia-convincing manner.	[10:36]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 07:36:34; punkman: they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they?	[10:36]
mircea_popescu	haskell is a few steps down this road, and i hope the participants have fun.	[10:37]
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mircea_popescu	if you look at things, something like this was unavoidable. there's a lot of people who wish to "participate" in a very peculiar ustardian manner, which is why the peculiar ustarded flavour of academia was invented in the first place.	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	nobody cancelled "the things stupid people do".	[10:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337660 << well, imagine! google owning it, and holding everyone at ransom over it! while lying about it, and random street-level derp having no fucking clue about it.	[10:39]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 07:58:25; punkman: "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days	[10:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22303 @ 0.00049074 = 10.945 BTC [+] {3}	[10:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38097 @ 0.00049091 = 18.7022 BTC [+]	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	"I don't understand how there isn't more research into actual dick growth drugs. It seems like it would be profitable if condoned by the FDA." << it'd be totally profitable, but fda has nothing to do with it.	[10:41]
mircea_popescu	imagine, if kfc sold penis-obesity burgers!	[10:41]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337689 << this is actually par for the course for every usg-powered outfit out there.	[10:43]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 09:05:04; gmaxwell: a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins...	[10:43]
mircea_popescu	they do this with their shares, why wouldn't do this with their other assets. the monster is what it is in all its parts, not just the tail.	[10:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337723 << that made absolutely no sense.	[10:45]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 12:11:21; funkenstein_: Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally	[10:45]
adlai	lets you print ballots for tx fees, incentivize gracious donations to block makers	[10:48]
adlai	if we're gonna have an election, at least make it a spectacle worth watching!	[10:49]
mircea_popescu	doh. so if i run a miner that has $days_left % of total hash output, i can freely vote an infinity of coins. because whatever, i just fill a block with an endless chain of votes and i'm going to eventually mine it into a block.	[10:49]
adlai	you'd still have a finite proportion of the network, other miners could print votes for themselves, or just process transactions normally, business as usual, which still lets others print their own ballots	[10:50]
adlai	fees race up as you fight over block space, price moons, democracy wins	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	basically the only way this thing can pretend to exist is if nobody gives a shit, and for as long as nobody does.	[10:51]
mircea_popescu	like so many other things "in" bitcoin.	[10:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00049104 = 31.1319 BTC [+] {4}	[10:55]
adlai	hmm i'd phrase it the other way around. if nobody gives a shit about "vote" results, nobody has incentive to attack it. if people pay attention to elections, they get attacked, but the attack makes it seem that more money cared - because it did	[10:55]
mircea_popescu	yes. so the illusion that "this car made out of cardboard is road worthy" can be maintained for as long as nobody takes it on the road.	[10:56]
adlai	ah, i don't think such elections will effect the decision-making process of people who understand the system. this doesn't prevent the fee-donating competition from occurring	[10:58]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2474 @ 0.00049248 = 1.2184 BTC [+]	[11:09]
mircea_popescu	i suppose it is the duty of informed people to allow the uninformed to donate any resources they might unwarrantedly have acquired.	[11:15]
mircea_popescu	reduces trouble potential down the road.	[11:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91052 @ 0.00048658 = 44.3041 BTC [-] {2}	[11:15]
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nubbins`	hmm i bought a bunch of shit at the homebrew shop yesterday, and one of the items rang in as $0.00	[11:19]
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nubbins`	man, the canadian dollar slipping to its lowest point since 2004 is really making the btc/cad exchange rate look good	[11:28]
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nubbins`	http://nation.foxnews.com/2015/12/06/judge-jeanine-get-gun-get-it-legally-learn-how-shoot-it-and-be-primed-use-it	[11:32]
nubbins`	GEEEYE A GAUUAHN	[11:32]
assbot	Judge Jeanine: 'Get A Gun. Get It Legally. Learn How To Shoot It And Be Primed To Use It' - Fox Nation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NBgI2v )	[11:32]
nubbins`	GEEYET IT LEEGULLY	[11:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15829 @ 0.00047464 = 7.5131 BTC [-] {3}	[11:33]
nubbins`	death of a thousand lels	[11:34]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90671 @ 0.00047456 = 43.0288 BTC [-]	[11:34]
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nubbins`	i wonder what would've happened if the san bernardino goofs had gotten guns, gotten them legally, learned how to shoot them, and been primed to use them	[11:38]
nubbins`	o wait	[11:38]
nubbins`	also, the word "radicalized" has been media-ified into absurdity	[11:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55418 @ 0.00047857 = 26.5214 BTC [+] {2}	[11:41]
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fluffypony	https://www.reddit.com/r/shittyprogramming/comments/3v7mjy/pls_critique_my_code_style/	[11:45]
assbot	Pls critique my code style : shittyprogramming ... ( http://bit.ly/1N6oGPs )	[11:46]
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nubbins`	lel	[11:49]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b9	[11:50]
nubbins`	i had a coworker once that wrote a 500-line function for manipulating arrays	[11:50]
nubbins`	her variable choices were "result1", "line3", "thisRow2" etc	[11:50]
nubbins`	hey phf	[11:57]
nubbins`	you did up the eulora homebrew tap?	[11:58]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=G5SJpfek	[11:58]
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thestringpuller	dat brew	[12:09]
thestringpuller	i hate packaging things for mac	[12:09]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[12:13]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 399.61, Best ask: 399.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 399.68, 24 hour volume: 38665.44974803, 24 hour low: 384.53, 24 hour high: 404.24, 24 hour vwap: None	[12:13]
nubbins`	nod	[12:14]
thestringpuller	jurov: apparently the transferwise CEO is anti-bitcoin? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YZt-sEOi_w	[12:14]
thestringpuller	or at least ill-informed	[12:14]
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nubbins`	think it was a git issue. progress	[12:16]
nubbins`	checking whether the C++ compiler works... no	[12:17]
nubbins`	lel nvm	[12:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 89687 @ 0.00048215 = 43.2426 BTC [+]	[12:22]
thestringpuller	;;isup qntra.net	[12:23]
gribble	qntra.net is up	[12:23]
thestringpuller	;;isup trilema.com	[12:23]
gribble	trilema.com is up	[12:23]
thestringpuller	Well not from this location	[12:23]
nubbins`	nor this	[12:23]
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punkman	https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn28623-woman-who-has-never-felt-pain-experiences-it-for-the-first-time	[12:59]
assbot	Woman who has never felt pain experiences it for the first time \| New Scientist ... ( http://bit.ly/1NR9oSi )	[12:59]
nubbins`	not being able to feel pain is actually a fairly serious condition	[13:06]
nubbins`	most people end up disfigured by late childhood	[13:06]
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phf	nubbins`: I have another bug report with 10.11, but this one's just odd. I'll check it out tonight	[13:24]
nubbins`	phf which gcc you using?	[13:24]
nubbins`	i've tried 4.9, 5.3; mp thinks maybe you targeted llvm?	[13:24]
phf	llvm/clang	[13:24]
nubbins`	lol k	[13:25]
nubbins`	don't check out anything yet	[13:25]
nubbins`	i symlinked gcc-4.9 to "gcc" ages ago, so it's trying to use that instead	[13:25]
phf	aaah	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[13:25]
mircea_popescu	btw phf you ever gonna log an' get your reward ?	[13:25]
nubbins`	$ ls -la gcc	[13:26]
nubbins`	lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 41 17 Mar 2015 gcc -> /usr/local/Cellar/gcc/4.9.2_1/bin/gcc-4.9	[13:26]
nubbins`	lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 20 Sep 2014 llvm-gcc -> clang	[13:26]
phf	but desc not working? that seems like some brew formula level issue	[13:26]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=j9M1VSbX	[13:27]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IPMkvF )	[13:27]
nubbins`	trying again w clang	[13:28]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337656 << bitfury has looong since turned to the dark side, dating back at least 1.5 years to kikvadze's cnbc interview in which he advocated for removing 21 mn coin cap. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/26/bitfury-and-private-property-in-the-land-of-the-free/	[13:29]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 07:55:46; punkman: I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps	[13:29]
nubbins`	ugh	[13:29]
assbot	BitFury and private property in the land of the free. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPMEdT )	[13:29]
nubbins`	http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=TqaRdVv5	[13:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IA0GWm )	[13:29]
nubbins`	phf it seems like it's still not using llvm-clang but its own gcc-5.3	[13:29]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1232/bitcoin-to-top-600-before-jul-2016/#b5	[13:30]
phf	hmm, its possible i forgot to remove custom gcc call out from cal3d formula, ill have to check once im in front of a real computer	[13:31]
phf	or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	seems the likelier explanation.	[13:35]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337562 << curves, glorious curves	[13:38]
assbot	Logged on 06-12-2015 23:40:58; mircea_popescu: and something for petey... http://40.media.tumblr.com/e9757a9deb4f50a25d868f26f4c3ab1d/tumblr_mvec3nySMa1s6dk4zo1_1280.jpg	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	curve means whore in romanian.	[13:38]
nubbins`	phf yeah symlink city. i did brew remove on all gcc's	[13:38]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[13:39]
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nubbins`	there we go, woop	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	o ?	[13:39]
nubbins`	cal3d compiled	[13:39]
nubbins`	(this was the step it was hanging on. not outta woods yet)	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	that's almost always the bitch.	[13:39]
nubbins`	yuh	[13:39]
nubbins`	iirc cal3d was my hemorrhoid when i was trying to cobble a working osx install	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	yaq	[13:40]
ascii_field	mircea_popescu: i can see the connection to 'курва', but is there an etymological link to engl. 'cur' ?	[13:40]
pete_dushenski	https://isitup.org/qntra.net	[13:40]
assbot	Oh no! qntra.net is down. // isitup.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPNWpc )	[13:40]
nubbins`	latin curvus, bent	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	it's almost certainly from slavonic "kuruva"	[13:40]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337641 << basically just proper bridgestone rubber on all four corners.	[13:40]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 07:23:53; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter?	[13:41]
pete_dushenski	mircea_popescu: so i've always had a thing for slavonic whoors it seems ;)	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	amusingly enough, in ro cant the superlative accomplishment of thievery is being "old whore".	[13:42]
*	pete_dushenski likes curvy women, yes, particularly those who elegantly put the 'broad' in broad	[13:42]
pete_dushenski	i think it's compensatory for my lousy upper body frame	[13:43]
nubbins`	oof this cs download is slooooow	[13:43]
nubbins`	FTTD ruins you on patience, i tell ya	[13:44]
nubbins`	fun story, installation guy says "do you want me to terminate the fibre at the pole, or inside the home?	[13:45]
nubbins`	i say "is there an extra cost?" he says "nope" i say "lule, come on in, no need to take off yr boots"	[13:46]
nubbins`	he warned that it's easy to damage the fibre where it enters the house	[13:50]
nubbins`	"what happens if i cut it?"	[13:50]
nubbins`	"we'll come out and fix it for free"	[13:50]
pete_dushenski	http://www.sportsxm.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Hottest-Women-Track-Field.jpg << mmm... broad...	[13:51]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1IA3F10 )	[13:51]
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nubbins`	not curvy by any definition	[13:52]
nubbins`	i think the word you seek is "fit"	[13:52]
pete_dushenski	indeed, broad =! curvy, but rather signals the potential therefore once fillie is done being 'athlete'	[13:53]
nubbins`	once they're done being fit	[13:54]
pete_dushenski	correct	[13:54]
nubbins`	o.O	[13:54]
nubbins`	you're a strange man	[13:54]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/suicide-rate-alberta-increase-layoffs-1.3353662	[13:54]
assbot	Suicide rate in Alberta jumps 30% in wake of mass oilpatch layoffs - Calgary - CBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1IPPDD2 )	[13:54]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337762 << :D	[13:54]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 13:32:58; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337644 << epic. lmao.	[13:54]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: omg. from 10 to 13. whatevershallbedone	[13:54]
pete_dushenski	ok 252 to 327	[13:55]
pete_dushenski	"If the trend continues, Alberta could be on track for 654 suicides this year." << and then next year, a thousand, and the year after that THE WHOLE PROVINCE WILL OFF ITSELF	[13:55]
pete_dushenski	need moar bailouts.	[13:55]
nubbins`	we have bailouts here now?!	[13:56]
nubbins`	fuck the oil sands anyway	[13:56]
nubbins`	the amount of drug addiction brought to NL by oil money is more staggering than the number of suicides in AB	[13:57]
pete_dushenski	!s cheese addiction	[13:57]
assbot	0 results for 'cheese addiction' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=cheese+addiction	[13:57]
pete_dushenski	hm, coulda sworn there was something in the logs about cheese being more addictive than crack. or was it cheesecake ?	[13:58]
nubbins`	lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese	[13:58]
nubbins`	there's a lesson in here about paying labourers $70k/yr	[13:59]
ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337927 << mega-observation	[13:59]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 16:56:24; nubbins`: lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese	[13:59]
ascii_field	srsly.	[13:59]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: more like $170k, even $270k	[13:59]
ascii_field	the ultimate addiction, imho, is not-having-meatbags-around	[13:59]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski fair nuf	[13:59]
nubbins`	either way	[13:59]
nubbins`	you give these goofs bags of cash	[14:00]
nubbins`	they go buy big trucks and big houses on credit	[14:00]
nubbins`	oops lul the grease ran out	[14:00]
nubbins`	wat do	[14:00]
pete_dushenski	why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less	[14:00]
ascii_field	nubbins`: we have legends of this kind of thing here, with lottery players	[14:00]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski the smart newfies took that money and came home with most of it, bought houses etc outright	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	which a chunk did, no doubt	[14:01]
nubbins`	the stunned ones took out leases, blew their money on drugs and gasoline, and are now fucked	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	the dumb ones were fucked to begin with	[14:01]
nubbins`	unfortunately, they're fucked here, not in alberta	[14:01]
pete_dushenski	who cares about dumb bois	[14:01]
nubbins`	people who have to interact with them?	[14:02]
ascii_field	^	[14:02]
nubbins`	i'd sooner interact with a dummy than with a coke-addicted dummy with $200k of personal debt	[14:02]
pete_dushenski	there are ex 'rig pigs' working farmers market stalls here, nice kids.	[14:02]
nubbins`	one of those dummies prob will not do a home invasion some day when he's broke, one prob will	[14:03]
pete_dushenski	can't stay addicted to blow 4ever, at least not when broke, this too shall pass	[14:03]
ascii_field	nubbins`: what's it take to land that work anyway	[14:03]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski o.O you know what happens when addicts are broke, yes?	[14:03]
pete_dushenski	you shoot them ?	[14:03]
nubbins`	ascii_field year or two of trade school	[14:03]
ascii_field	what's the catch ?	[14:03]
ascii_field	gotta be in the union ?	[14:03]
nubbins`	work sucks	[14:03]
nubbins`	and obv union, sure	[14:04]
ascii_field	all work sucks	[14:04]
nubbins`	some work sucks more than other work	[14:04]
nubbins`	physical labour 18 hours at a time particularly sucks	[14:04]
ascii_field	how many people per square metre in a drill platform ?	[14:04]
pete_dushenski	chain gangs are still a thing ?	[14:04]
nubbins`	ascii_field no idea. too many	[14:05]
ascii_field	ah these must be sea rigs	[14:05]
nubbins`	nah mostly land	[14:05]
ascii_field	then i have nfi what the problem is..	[14:05]
nubbins`	;;google alberta oil sands	[14:05]
gribble	Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Alberta's Oil Sands Alberta's Clean Energy Future: ; Alberta Energy: Oil Sands:	[14:05]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305612 << found.	[14:05]
assbot	Logged on 22-10-2015 22:12:53; mircea_popescu: but in related news, http://www.latimes.com/food/dailydish/la-dd-cheese-addictive-drugs-20151022-story.html	[14:05]
pete_dushenski	;;google contravex alberta oil sands	[14:06]
gribble	Alberta Oil Sands Inc: ; Alberta's oilsands trade-off \| Toronto Star: ; Go ahead Jim Prentice: raise taxes in Alberta and see if ... - Contravex:	[14:06]
nubbins`	<+pete_dushenski> you shoot them ? << so trite	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	so considerate of others !	[14:06]
nubbins`	so imaginaruim of dr dushenskuss	[14:06]
pete_dushenski	guilty.	[14:07]
nubbins`	lemme give a rundown	[14:07]
nubbins`	dummies get high paying jobs up in AB	[14:07]
nubbins`	plenty of $$, why not try some coke?	[14:07]
nubbins`	come home, still addicted to coke	[14:07]
nubbins`	this creates demand	[14:07]
nubbins`	then coke dealers start multiplying	[14:08]
nubbins`	then coke /users/ start multiplying	[14:08]
nubbins`	then the money runs out (this happens not all at once)	[14:08]
nubbins`	then the poorest, most addicted turn to theft, robbery, break-ins, etc	[14:08]
nubbins`	then your city is suddenly full of broke addicts	[14:09]
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nubbins`	the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help"	[14:09]
nubbins`	!up ascii_field	[14:09]
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nubbins`	at which point they realize oh, there's a 6 month waitlist for help	[14:10]
nubbins`	guess i'll hold up a convenience store instead	[14:10]
ascii_field	and sometimes they find that there is no 'addiction clinic' for breaking addiction to space, clean air, hygiene, and cheese	[14:10]
nubbins`	sure there is, it's called therapy	[14:10]
nubbins`	comes in all shapes and sizes	[14:10]
ascii_field	though i hear mircea_popescu has a broomstick therapy	[14:10]
nubbins`	hmm big fire somewhere nearby	[14:11]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337929 << substances are substances, hygiene is hygiene	[14:11]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 16:57:20; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337927 << mega-observation	[14:11]
nubbins`	brb	[14:11]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: for the purpose of this thought, any particular thing you've grown to like but suddenly cannot afford, is 'addiction'	[14:11]
pete_dushenski	not so.	[14:12]
pete_dushenski	i don't go into withdrawal when forced to use leaves for tp.	[14:12]
ascii_field	just as a small hole in your chest is a hole, whether made by bullet or meteorite	[14:12]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: afaik cocaine aficionados don't suffer from withdrawal in the usual sense	[14:13]
pete_dushenski	i don't shiver and vomit and want to die from ass-wiping with plants as i would from morphine withdrawal	[14:13]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: i think you're right, which really makes you wonder about the 'addictiveness' of coke	[14:13]
ascii_field	same as that of cheese	[14:13]
ascii_field	or life-without-roommates	[14:13]
pete_dushenski	bingo.	[14:13]
ascii_field	or 10,001 other things.	[14:14]
ascii_field	'this is not life'	[14:14]
pete_dushenski	bingo to cheese...	[14:14]
pete_dushenski	so idiots who wanna rampage because 'no money for cheese' shouldn't be shot ?	[14:14]
nubbins`	"be shot" is trite	[14:14]
ascii_field	why not ?	[14:14]
pete_dushenski	what kind of civil society is this ??	[14:15]
nubbins`	in reality, the addicts who can't find/afford coke don't just stop using	[14:15]
nubbins`	they just switch to prescription drugs.	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: sent to gulag, fine	[14:15]
nubbins`	there y'go, that's much less trite	[14:15]
trinque	nubbins` is assuming a big, cozy socialist state to take care of them	[14:15]
nubbins`	worthy of a serious conversation between adults	[14:15]
ascii_field	'civil society' is just what remains after you fill the gulags	[14:15]
pete_dushenski	a fiver for trying to hold up cheese shop	[14:15]
nubbins`	trinque not so.	[14:15]
trinque	given that he lives in one, this is reasonable	[14:15]
trinque	oh?	[14:15]
nubbins`	such a state does not exist	[14:15]
nubbins`	if you want the government to help you, better not hold yr breath	[14:16]
trinque	dole checks don't show up in canada anymore?	[14:16]
trinque	I understand that they do here	[14:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00048205 = 31.7671 BTC [-] {2}	[14:17]
nubbins`	wtf is a dole check gonna do?	[14:17]
ascii_field	^	[14:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00048205 = 7.1825 BTC [-] {2}	[14:19]
nubbins`	dole is what, $400-smth a month here?	[14:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55866 @ 0.00048205 = 26.9302 BTC [-]	[14:20]
nubbins`	should be just about enough to cover, oh, nothing at all	[14:20]
*	pete_dushenski always reads 'checks' as 'inspections'. it's cheques goddamit !	[14:20]
nubbins`	maybe at one time you could live off dole	[14:21]
nubbins`	but that was before all the cash-heavy oil workers came home & drove property values through the roof	[14:21]
ascii_field	nubbins`: in 'dole countries', the thing is barely enough for scum-life. satan help you if you've tasted human living	[14:21]
trinque	nubbins` │ the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help" << >> nubbins` │ sure there is, it's called therapy	[14:21]
trinque	this struck me as a socialist perspective.	[14:22]
nubbins`	i didn't say free therapy	[14:22]
trinque	as for the dole, there's always public housing too	[14:22]
pete_dushenski	life's all about expectations	[14:22]
deedbot-	[BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Federal Reserve will raise interest rate at December FOMC meeting - http://bitbet.us/bet/1221/federal-reserve-will-raise-interest-rate-at-december/#b28	[14:22]
nubbins`	trinque public housing has a bigger waitlist than addictions help.	[14:22]
nubbins`	also mostly goes to families vs individuals	[14:22]
nubbins`	"but doesn't that encourage the destitute addicts to start queefing out kids?" yes it does.	[14:23]
trinque	the question of what happens to these people only matters under economic and social circumstances which are advantageous to them.	[14:24]
nubbins`	"but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep	[14:24]
trinque	I took pete_dushenski's "get shot" as "get fucked/who cares"	[14:24]
nubbins`	lol	[14:24]
nubbins`	ok.	[14:24]
trinque	aside drug prohibition what are they going to do to make enough money to matter?	[14:24]
nubbins`	so the "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" approach?	[14:24]
trinque	aside living among them what do I care what they do to each other?	[14:25]
trinque	yes, no "something must be done" about it	[14:25]
nubbins`	you do live among them, ya fuckin dumbass.	[14:25]
trinque	no, I do not	[14:25]
ascii_field	!s Conde de Alba de Yeltes	[14:25]
assbot	1 results for 'Conde de Alba de Yeltes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Conde+de+Alba+de+Yeltes	[14:25]
nubbins`	oh, on what planet do you live?	[14:25]
ascii_field	!s in the sewers	[14:25]
assbot	23 results for 'in the sewers' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=in+the+sewers	[14:25]
*	trinque looks out the window	[14:25]
trinque	not a bum in sight	[14:25]
nubbins`	well if you can't see any right now	[14:26]
nubbins`	i guess there aren't any	[14:26]
trinque	if there were no drug prohibition how would that economic process you described work, exactly?	[14:26]
nubbins`	also, equating "drug addict" with "bum" is an exceptionally rudimentary understanding of the world	[14:26]
ascii_field	the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage	[14:26]
trinque	prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself.	[14:26]
ascii_field	otherwise you get a lenin eventually and get fucked.	[14:27]
nubbins`	trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place	[14:27]
trinque	aside massive govt distortions of the market, stupid tends to die.	[14:28]
trinque	drugs is a prime example	[14:28]
trinque	*are	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	http://www.bsomusic.org/media/728173/main-2015-2016-infographic_1150w.jpg << "Women composers make up less than 2% of all of the music performed." damn those americans are racialist.	[14:28]
nubbins`	treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment	[14:28]
pete_dushenski	obama must intervene !	[14:28]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NFRziI )	[14:28]
trinque	nubbins`: well certainly	[14:28]
nubbins`	actually, ignoring drug abuse is pretty fuckin stupid too	[14:29]
nubbins`	most govs do one or the other, or both at once	[14:29]
trinque	I'd say "end prohibition" hits it head-on.	[14:29]
trinque	weed prices for example in legalized states are falling all the time	[14:29]
trinque	apply that to the harder stuff; profits subside and those pushing the dope go on to better things	[14:30]
nubbins`	i pay about $250/month directly to criminal gangs	[14:30]
nubbins`	because of prohibition	[14:30]
trinque	spending far less on aspirin I'd imagine	[14:30]
nubbins`	costco has pretty cheap aspirin	[14:31]
nubbins`	now on top of that, you have the idiot cops running around	[14:31]
nubbins`	busting dope pedlars	[14:31]
nubbins`	essentially purchasing the drugs with your tax dollars, and not even using them afterward	[14:31]
ascii_field	don't worry, weed-legalization will free up their hands to bust bitcoin aficionados	[14:31]
nubbins`	seriously, there was a big bust here recently, i calculated that the cops paid something like $4 a gram for the weed they seized.	[14:32]
nubbins`	if the shit was legal, purchasing that same gram would yield the gov $4+ in taxes	[14:32]
nubbins`	but hey, what do i know	[14:33]
nubbins`	it's not like all the black market soft drug money goes directly to hell's angels and vietnamese gangs, oh wait	[14:35]
pete_dushenski	"There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !	[14:35]
nubbins`	it's not like buying prohibited dope helps keep coke dealers in business, oh wait	[14:35]
nubbins`	anyway this is turning into generalized griping	[14:36]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: anyways, once the residual albertabux dry up, newfoundland will go back to being a 'service economy' or whatever it's been since the cod packed up and left. your housing prices will return to the incredibly affordable 'normal' you were used to, and all will be well again until the next time a canadian province has a resource boom and your industrious young men provide the necessary cannon fodder.	[14:38]
pete_dushenski	speaking of resource booms, http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/mining/2015/12/07/de-beers-suspends-operations-at-canada-mine	[14:38]
assbot	De Beers suspends operations at Canada mine \| Mining \| BDlive ... ( http://bit.ly/1NFTELw )	[14:38]
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pete_dushenski	!up ascii_field	[14:40]
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nubbins`	economy, lol.	[14:49]
nubbins`	you've obv never been here	[14:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337940 << riiight.	[14:50]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 16:58:29; pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	talk to teh syrian immigrants.	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	that's what they did back home, anyway.	[14:50]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well"	[14:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22608 @ 0.00048205 = 10.8982 BTC [-] {2}	[14:51]
nubbins`	but hey	[14:51]
nubbins`	don't let me get in the way of your over-9000 triteness	[14:51]
nubbins`	8)	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1337965 << if you're looking for something, manning expeditions to the north pole is more your alley.	[14:52]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:02:33; ascii_field: how many people per square metre in a drill platform ?	[14:52]
mircea_popescu	the main thing is being able to sit by oneself for six months in the dark	[14:52]
nubbins`	^ some can, some can't	[14:52]
nubbins`	that's the other "high pay, shitty work" option for canadians: go up north	[14:52]
nubbins`	i personally would not fare well above the treeline	[14:53]
nubbins`	too barren	[14:53]
nubbins`	super depressing	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	great way to retire imo	[14:53]
nubbins`	people do it	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	way the fuck better than going to florida.	[14:54]
nubbins`	also common for older folks who didn't plan so well for retirement.	[14:54]
nubbins`	move up north for yr last 5 years in the workforce	[14:54]
ascii_field	for eskimo-style retirement	[14:54]
ascii_field	'i must step outside and may be a while' (tm) (r)	[14:54]
nubbins`	gov literally pays you to live up there	[14:55]
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mircea_popescu	as opposed to where, in berlin ?	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	gov literally pays you to live anywhere.	[14:55]
nubbins`	as opposed to southern canada :D	[14:55]
nubbins`	like, "you live north of 60, here is your nothern allowance"	[14:55]
nubbins`	"use it to offset the insanely high cost of goods"	[14:56]
nubbins`	http://i.huffpost.com/gen/638654/images/r-FEEDING-MY-FAMILY-large570.jpg	[14:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NFXBzS )	[14:56]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338005 << or coke.	[14:56]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:10:19; pete_dushenski: i don't go into withdrawal when forced to use leaves for tp.	[14:56]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/QZLbYKF.jpg	[14:56]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NFXHHR )	[14:56]
nubbins`	http://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.2296283.1427290723!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_960/image.jpg	[14:57]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NFXTa7 )	[14:57]
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nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/strombo/content/images/pasta-pizza-prices.jpg	[14:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NFXUe1 )	[14:58]
nubbins`	could keep going but shrug, you get the idea	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338025 << i have no idea what your problem with shooting 'em is, but anyway.	[14:58]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:13:22; nubbins`: worthy of a serious conversation between adults	[14:58]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu practical matters aside, nm	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	i happen to agree : if you happen to be poor and happen to be loud, being shot is the correct policy.	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	it's how i ran my town the only time i ever ran a town, and it's how i intend to run any town i ever run.	[14:58]
nubbins`	lel	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	shooting people certainly a lot more practical than "helping" people.	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	seeing how i've seen shot people with mine own eyes, but helped people i am entirely unsure anyone ever saw.	[14:59]
ascii_field	!s more persuasive than persuasion	[15:00]
assbot	2 results for 'more persuasive than persuasion' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=more+persuasive+than+persuasion	[15:00]
nubbins`	in fairness, if you'd seen more people helped you'd have seen less people shot	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	this sounds like a worse outcome.	[15:00]
nubbins`	depending on your parser	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	but you know that trite happens to be a sort of banal, right ?	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	the only trite thing these days is "helping".	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	done to death. time for some fresh.	[15:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.00048448 = 11.0461 BTC [+] {2}	[15:02]
nubbins`	actually pretty much anything pete says falls under the category of trite, too	[15:02]
nubbins`	he's like a mini-mp, but without the circuitous argument skills	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:03]
whaack	!rate funkenstein_: 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics"	[15:04]
assbot	funkenstein_: is not registered in WoT.	[15:04]
nubbins`	and i guess the btc wealth	[15:04]
nubbins`	not really sure what pete's pocketbook looks like	[15:05]
ascii_field	like jupiter but without the mass !	[15:05]
nubbins`	AOOOOOO	[15:05]
whaack	!rate funkenstein_ 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics"	[15:05]
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mircea_popescu	whaack link to that ?	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` iirc he said when i asked him, lemme see	[15:05]
whaack	frass.woodcoin.org/on-chumponomics/	[15:05]
nubbins`	12 years in catholic school, i'm done with mass 8)	[15:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-09-2015#1288808	[15:05]
assbot	Logged on 30-09-2015 19:07:55; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu property manager of a small, older commercial building that my father owns. 6 tenants, 100 occupants, fun little project. also manage two residential properties. also manage a small start-up in the construction materials space, we make the first/only/bestest fibreglass composite curtain wall framing. and then there's the little one. le petit monstre...	[15:05]
nubbins`	woodcoin.org?!	[15:06]
nubbins`	WHAT IS THIS	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	this guy got an altcoin	[15:06]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu so he "manages" a couple things for dad?	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	iirc i bought some bitpennies' worth	[15:06]
*	nubbins` puts more weight on pete's words going forward	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` for all you know it's a tax dodge	[15:06]
*	mircea_popescu has no idea.	[15:06]
whaack	It's been posted here before http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-05-2015#1119570	[15:06]
assbot	Logged on 04-05-2015 16:58:27; assbot: On Chumponomics \| Free your Frass ... ( http://bit.ly/1ES0xt8 )	[15:06]
nubbins`	for all i know it's all made up	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	and you're a girl.	[15:07]
trinque	nothing shameful about a family business.	[15:07]
nubbins`	you've seen pictures of my body	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	but for all i know...	[15:07]
nubbins`	:D	[15:07]
ascii_field	trinque: iirc he has a day job, as a health inspector, somewhere	[15:07]
ascii_field	beyond this, i've nfi	[15:07]
nubbins`	trinque nothing remarkable either	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	orly ? why not ?	[15:08]
nubbins`	same reason an inheritance is unremarkable	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	this'd be a fine example of trite.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago.	[15:08]
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mircea_popescu	today, it's fucking remarkable. means about the same as a dog's pedigree	[15:08]
nubbins`	heh	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	and you wouldn't buy a dog without a pedigree.	[15:08]
nubbins`	remarkable in the sense that saving for the future is remarkable	[15:09]
nubbins`	unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	"this guy was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. unlike everyone on the internet, who is here mostly because their mother thought being ugly is enough excuse to fuck drunks.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[15:09]
nubbins`	"pete's so amazing, his dad bequeathed him a suitcase of bills"	[15:09]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	all things equal i'd rather deal with someone who comes from sane parents.	[15:09]
trinque	this is a poor person's notion of the wealthy.	[15:09]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	i guess it depends on teh parser.	[15:10]
nubbins`	8)	[15:10]
nubbins`	so much does, hey?	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	but i'm still gonna get you for that circuitous.	[15:10]
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nubbins`	gotta catch me first.	[15:10]
nubbins`	this can be accomplished by either speeding up OR slowing down	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[15:11]
nubbins`	don't look a gift painting in the brush	[15:11]
nubbins`	^ parallel universes collapsed as i wrote that	[15:11]
nubbins`	anyway	[15:12]
nubbins`	there's a set of lifestyles that allow one to dick around on irc all day	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	generally known as "non-bum ; non-blue collar"	[15:13]
nubbins`	that's one half	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	tho some people push the bum envelope pretty hard.	[15:13]
nubbins`	the other half is "on welfare"	[15:13]
nubbins`	consider that there are people active in here on a daily basis who are 100% supported by the state, and others who are 100% self-supporting	[15:14]
nubbins`	if you don't work in tech, odds are you're one of the former	[15:14]
asciilifeform	!up ascii_field	[15:15]
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ascii_field	some of even live in communist shitholes where tech and ~all else is state-supported	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	tech, finance, governance, hey, do you count the usg plants as self-supported or state-supported ?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	check it out, nubbins` schematic thought naufraged once more on the circuitous beaches of irl.	[15:16]
nubbins`	depends on the parser?	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	lol	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	ascii_field ironically, the "tech and all else is state supported" shithole mostly would be the bay area.	[15:17]
nubbins`	if you're on a computer all day long and you don't /work/ at a computer all day long, chances are you're coasting. either on your own funds or someone else's	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	with a little bit of portland and seattle etc.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` im actually on three computers. one of which is mining magical dungbeetles.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	i consider that work.	[15:18]
nubbins`	me too	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	ironically, my virtual game character made more in november than 50% of earth's population, and most africans.	[15:18]
nubbins`	now suppose instead of mining dung beetles, you're waiting for a tenant to say the radiator's busted in your dad's building	[15:18]
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pete_dushenski	you guys are wild !	[15:18]
nubbins`	i think your parser is broken	[15:19]
pete_dushenski	:P	[15:19]
nubbins`	mp-but-no-mp is generous	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	pete_dushenski ironically, nubbins` retired from tech to do artsy bs, and now has a sweet tooth for anyone daring not be in tech!	[15:19]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: hey one time i left for an hour and came back to discover that i suffer from depersonalization and am dog-who-identifies-as-cat	[15:19]
nubbins`	really i retired from tech to stave off suicide later in life, but this is splitting hairs	[15:19]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: whole thing was 'generous'. twas the point ;/	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	in fairness, if i were a woman, and worked my ass off for kink.com throughout my teen years, and then retired to... start my own perfume line,	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	i'd be pretty harsh to all these hussies daring to prance around in like clothes	[15:20]
mircea_popescu	and where's all the cum ?!	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: l0l!	[15:20]
nubbins`	ascii_field i left for 7 weeks and nobody but you wondered about me ;(	[15:20]
nubbins`	hurts.jpg	[15:20]
pete_dushenski	i wondered!	[15:20]
nubbins`	aw	[15:20]
nubbins`	i've been making homebrew	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	the interdweebs can be a harsh mistress!	[15:21]
nubbins`	and published an art book	[15:21]
nubbins`	hand-printed, hand-bound!	[15:21]
ascii_field	eh nubbins` i thought of you!111 every time i papercutted on my ragged bitcoin printout binder	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` are you gonna get butthurt if i tell you the thing sucked ?	[15:21]
nubbins`	not rly, i don't value yr opinion on art	[15:21]
nubbins`	go ahead	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	aite.	[15:21]
pete_dushenski	bbl	[15:22]
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nubbins`	it's mostly a vehicle for advertising our skills at silkscreen printing	[15:22]
nubbins`	content is mostly irrelevant	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	ah	[15:22]
nubbins`	one crazy fucker bought 5 copies	[15:23]
nubbins`	nfi	[15:23]
*	mircea_popescu doesn't recall the last time he actually saw a competent draughstman / painter / anything.	[15:24]
nubbins`	i'm an exceptionally competent printer	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	whole lotta doodlers.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	well printing's an industry not an art!	[15:24]
nubbins`	yep	[15:24]
nubbins`	i'm a technician more than anything	[15:24]
nubbins`	BUT	[15:24]
nubbins`	lemme find some close-up photos that will mean absolutely nothing to you	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	actually The Story of Nubbins the Industrious would make a pretty decent book title.	[15:24]
nubbins`	http://www.gigposters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162215&page=2&p=2077517&viewfull=1#post2077517	[15:25]
assbot	CMYK printing - very light and dark tones - Page 2 ... ( http://bit.ly/1lozNdW )	[15:25]
nubbins`	post #19 if you don't feel like waiting for the jump	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	20s better	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	anyway, yes, they're well printed.	[15:27]
nubbins`	it requires a couple years of abject failure to truly appreciate, but tyvm	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	were these made by hand ?	[15:27]
nubbins`	yep	[15:27]
nubbins`	mix our own inks from scratch too	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	cuz i can see some laser markings	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	do you have any pics of the chisels you used ?	[15:28]
nubbins`	;/	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	aww i'm just kidding.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	that shit was too funny.	[15:28]
nubbins`	http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51q1HA-zYAL._SX342_.jpg	[15:29]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1TwfYMh )	[15:29]
nubbins`	ignore the watermark & url, these are my actual tools	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[15:29]
nubbins`	the mirror is for checking.	[15:29]
mircea_popescu	"my factchecking mirror"	[15:29]
nubbins`	gigposters forums are a wealth of info	[15:30]
nubbins`	odd thing to say about a forum	[15:30]
nubbins`	but hey	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	actually unfashionable, prof driven forums are usually ok.	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	the plague starts once bitcoin/experts sexchange/seo/mommy/ what have you default activities of those who really should have been shot in their teen years.	[15:31]
nubbins`	heh	[15:31]
nubbins`	gigposters has "premium membership" ($20/yr) and people get turbo shit-on if they ask too many questions w/o coughing up some funds	[15:31]
nubbins`	oddly... it works.	[15:31]
nubbins`	somewhat related, pix & video of me at work: http://www.gigposters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=162207	[15:32]
assbot	Common printing problems and their solutions ... ( http://bit.ly/1TwgrOu )	[15:32]
*	nubbins` gives back to the commyoonity	[15:35]
nubbins`	in fact, i feel deeply indebted to the place, as i essentially learned my trade there	[15:35]
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mircea_popescu	why not feel deeply indebted to the actual people that taught you ?	[15:36]
*	mircea_popescu has ~0 anything for "the school", remembers some teachers.	[15:37]
thestringpuller	Cuz football. Or I guess that's just the party schools.	[15:38]
thestringpuller	I have found a correlation to alumni dedication and how "out of control" the partying is at said alma matar.	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	i guess if the sluts were good i'd credit the school more than the individual sluts in question... maybe.	[15:41]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu it's a schelling point, couldn't have found the actual people were it not for the venue	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[15:41]
nubbins`	why not pledge fealty to mp instead of TMSRO~	[15:42]
mircea_popescu	this is exactly why the wot exists - to disinhabituate socialists from stealing from the people and giving to "the institution" so that lenin, stalin or whatever other nigger can then steal it.	[15:43]
mircea_popescu	there is no tmsr outside of the nodes in the wot graph	[15:43]
nubbins`	there is no gigposters forum outside of the knowledgeable who post there	[15:43]
*	mircea_popescu is a little wary of this theory. zuckerberg thinks he owns facebook.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	what facebook ?	[15:44]
nubbins`	what fb indeed.	[15:44]
nubbins`	a different angle: what better way to encourage indebtedness to me?	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	hm ?	[15:45]
nubbins`	tons of noobs out there failing at screenprinting	[15:45]
nubbins`	until they come across my posts	[15:45]
nubbins`	(they still fail but at least know why)	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	so what's the trouble with that ?	[15:45]
nubbins`	no trouble at all	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	remarkably, you do use your name :)	[15:46]
nubbins`	:D	[15:46]
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mircea_popescu	some intuition of the whole thing doth exist.	[15:46]
nubbins`	before i commit to this character, am i supposed to be able to change physical features?	[15:46]
mircea_popescu	nah	[15:47]
nubbins`	clicking things seems not to change avatar	[15:47]
nubbins`	ah k	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	o hey characters huh ?	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	get foxy's bot while at it, it's very useful.	[15:47]
nubbins`	the glow burns me ;/	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	haha	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	find your way uphill, there's some tables there and a coupla animated fruitboxes	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	ima be over in a minute.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	fix you up with some tools and assorted junk	[15:53]
thestringpuller	WTF PEOPLE. Arguing "Bitcoin needs to be able to change and evolve" to back your opinion on hard forks is beyond fucktarded.	[15:55]
thestringpuller	I srsly feel like Dave Chappelle up in this bitch. I want to believe people have potential to become actual human beings, but I guess I'm wrong.	[15:55]
nubbins`	http://i.imgur.com/z32pjAb.png	[15:55]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1Twk6fg )	[15:55]
nubbins`	i am in / why is everyone black	[15:55]
thestringpuller	you're missing texture data	[15:56]
thestringpuller	and the sky box	[15:56]
kakobrekla	its called african american	[15:57]
nubbins`	:/	[15:58]
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mircea_popescu	lol. it's night time~!	[15:58]
nubbins`	ooop there comes the sky!	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	hola cristina	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	btw nubbins` if you want a job i prolly got something for you :D	[16:07]
nubbins`	you quite literally would prob have to walk me through it	[16:07]
nubbins`	!up btcdrak	[16:07]
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nubbins`	!up Cristina	[16:07]
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Cristina	ahora si puedo ablar jeje	[16:08]
Cristina	<+mircea_popescu> hola hola	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	didja go to the slutwalk ?	[16:08]
nubbins`	i may have to start out with basic things like "how to do anything besides walking around"	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	well prolly should do that in #eulora, and also... don't you enjoy a mystery ? :D	[16:09]
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nubbins`	haha yep	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	eulora has this very pronounced old style adventure quality to it, for the first few hours/days/weeks/we it takews you.	[16:10]
Cristina	que tal todo por a qui?	[16:11]
Cristina	mucho trabajo??	[16:11]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[16:11]
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pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338114 << i'm agreeing with you dude, thus 'service economy' line. i know full well that nfld had jack all for an economy 15 years ago and will likely be back where it started 15 years hence.	[16:39]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:47:28; nubbins`: you've obv never been here	[16:39]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338117 << funny, syrians don't seem to much care for -40C	[16:39]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:48:11; mircea_popescu: talk to teh syrian immigrants.	[16:39]
nubbins`	15 if we're lucky, 2 if not	[16:39]
nubbins`	we sorta put all our eggs in the oil basket	[16:40]
pete_dushenski	not sure why, but all the syrians who come to canada stay in big cities and stay the fuck away from fort mcmurray	[16:40]
nubbins`	because fort mac is full of fuckin shitty rednecks?	[16:40]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: well, tbf, what other basket was there than oil ?	[16:40]
nubbins`	and it costs $800/mo to rent a hammock in an unheated shed?	[16:40]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski prudence woulda been putting the grease money into something else before it was too late	[16:41]
*	pete_dushenski was landlord in fort mac during 'good times', knows.	[16:41]
nubbins`	instead, we have muskrat falls	[16:41]
nubbins`	massive boondoggle megaproject already billions over budget	[16:41]
pete_dushenski	muskrat falls ? hydroelectric dam ?	[16:42]
nubbins`	yeah	[16:42]
nubbins`	eventually, anyway.	[16:42]
nubbins`	power lines running from labrador across the strait to the island	[16:42]
nubbins`	across the fucking long-range fucking mountains	[16:42]
nubbins`	down thru NL and over the water to NS	[16:42]
nubbins`	and then to american markets and beyond	[16:42]
pete_dushenski	well, again, tbf, it's entirely in the nature of mega-projects to go over-budget and past 'expected' timeline for completion	[16:43]
nubbins`	oh sure.	[16:43]
pete_dushenski	pretty sure 95%+ of such projects have these same issues	[16:43]
nubbins`	tbf, if it happens every time, maybe just bump up the numbers from the start	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, the last ice age didn't go over budget.	[16:43]
nubbins`	"it's weird, we blow our snowclearing budget by january 5th every year"	[16:43]
nubbins`	i dunno, maybe budget more?	[16:43]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: lol but voters can't handle the truth !	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	it's theft dude.	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	"it's weird, the wevils eat our grain i na week"	[16:44]
nubbins`	voters can't handle much	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	"put more grain in there"	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	logic.	[16:44]
nubbins`	nl politics is weird	[16:44]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338119 << so... tell 'em to rent. what. "everyone should have house and make profit all teh timez" ? please.	[16:44]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:49:06; nubbins`: pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well"	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	same exact thing happened to the athenian fucking fleet.	[16:44]
nubbins`	heh.	[16:44]
mircea_popescu	"it's weird, huh."	[16:44]
nubbins`	"my house is worth 100k and i owe 200k" "so just rent"	[16:44]
nubbins`	o.O	[16:45]
pete_dushenski	what. declare bankruptcy, start over.	[16:45]
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pete_dushenski	or RENT IN THE FIRST PLACE	[16:45]
nubbins`	yes, or rent in the first place	[16:45]
pete_dushenski	wtf were you doing taking out massive loan when you didn't understand downside risk	[16:45]
pete_dushenski	fuck you and your stupid mother.	[16:45]
nubbins`	well, this, yes.	[16:46]
nubbins`	but telling them to rent after the fact is gibberish	[16:46]
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pete_dushenski	ok, they should live on the street after the fact ;/	[16:46]
pete_dushenski	learn a fucking lesson	[16:46]
pete_dushenski	and teach one to their kids	[16:46]
nubbins`	tbf it's not a lesson unless they wanna sell	[16:47]
pete_dushenski	"don't borrow a lot of money unless you're fucking rich"	[16:47]
nubbins`	house worth 100k and you owe 200k? just keep living in it :P	[16:47]
nubbins`	hope you saved yr oil money	[16:47]
nubbins`	"don't borrow a lot of money unless you don't need to" is ok advice	[16:47]
mircea_popescu	kinda the whole point of property being that solvent owners really don't give a shit what other parties think things be "worth".	[16:48]
nubbins`	for someone like me, market value affects property tax, little else	[16:48]
pete_dushenski	nubbins`: i feel sorry for the idjits paying down 200k mortgage for house that will only ever be worth 100k. why not light money on fire ? stay warm, enjoy the show ?	[16:48]
nubbins`	so the mortgage goes up $50/mo. big whoop.	[16:48]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski now you've got empathy?!	[16:49]
pete_dushenski	pfff	[16:49]
pete_dushenski	cynic	[16:49]
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nubbins`	yam what i yam	[16:49]
nubbins`	i actually received a new property assessment in the mail last week	[16:50]
pete_dushenski	so explain to me guy who keeps paying down 200k mortgage on 100k house. does he expect house to one day be worth 200k again ?	[16:50]
nubbins`	pete_dushenski maybe, maybe not. either way, he's gonna spend $12k/year on living space	[16:50]
nubbins`	whether that's paying off a too-high mortgage or paying off someone ELSE'S too-high mortgage is his choice	[16:51]
nubbins`	i feel there's more value in one than the other, ymmv	[16:51]
nubbins`	renting is fine if you wanna work forever	[16:53]
nubbins`	if you'd rather work less as time goes on, well, maybe buy?	[16:53]
nubbins`	put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it?	[16:54]
pete_dushenski	ok, let's work the with 'maybe house will never again be worth 200k' condition. why not give 12k to landlord instead of bank ? will landlord not put that money to more practicable and local use, having a higher probability of bettering renter's station ?	[16:55]
nubbins`	probably not, no.	[16:55]
pete_dushenski	oh ? how do you figure ?	[16:55]
pete_dushenski	because i'd see local landlord and caring more about my town than some bank in toronto	[16:56]
pete_dushenski	s/and/as	[16:56]
nubbins`	landlords don't give a red fuck about their towns	[16:56]
nubbins`	in general	[16:56]
nubbins`	besides, how's the landlord buying a new snowblower at Wal-Mart helping the local anything?	[16:56]
pete_dushenski	well, you're a landlord aintcha, don't you care about your town ?	[16:56]
nubbins`	log says i do, yep	[16:57]
nubbins`	but i'm not building community spaces out of my profit either	[16:57]
nubbins`	i'm spending it on my greedy self	[16:57]
pete_dushenski	you're a small time landlord though, and even still i'm sure you don't buy much of anything at usg-megacorp-retail-centre	[16:58]
nubbins`	agreed	[16:58]
pete_dushenski	you probably buy local, neh ?	[16:58]
nubbins`	i try!	[16:58]
pete_dushenski	of course you do !	[16:58]
pete_dushenski	that's my point.	[16:58]
pete_dushenski	that landlords, like yourself, like myself, give a shit about the places they live MORE than the banks from far-off lands.	[16:58]
pete_dushenski	it's not binary, of course, just that we care ~more~	[16:59]
pete_dushenski	this, then, in turn benefits the tenants, our tenants	[16:59]
nubbins`	on the whole, i disagree	[16:59]
nubbins`	i buy local not because i'm a landlord but because i'm not an idiot	[16:59]
nubbins`	most landlords spend all their money at big box stores	[17:00]
nubbins`	where maybe 5-10 cents of every dollar they spend stays in the community	[17:00]
nubbins`	MAYBE	[17:00]
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nubbins`	the rest goes to the waltons, or the irvings, or whomever	[17:00]
nubbins`	most landlords around here are more properly called slumlords	[17:01]
nubbins`	and they DGAF about their rentals	[17:01]
nubbins`	or their tenants	[17:03]
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pete_dushenski	mkay. so maybe in halifax, the banks are the warm huggy people who care and the local slumlords and the jerkoffs. what do i know.	[17:05]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338212 << srs.	[17:09]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 18:06:26; mircea_popescu: an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago.	[17:09]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338217 << in a sense, yes, those with sane and productive parents are indeed 'lottery winners', the key difference being that, unlike 6/49 winners, the 'lucky' kids have skills and blood-related mentors !!1	[17:10]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:06; nubbins`: unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall	[17:10]
nubbins`	halifax sux	[17:11]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338224 << the parents never owned anything. if you didn't pass it down, what the fuck did you do with it ? blow and hookerz ?	[17:12]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:55; nubbins`: mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups	[17:12]
nubbins`	dude i'm 33, the parents are still living	[17:12]
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pete_dushenski	"boomer" parents fluked into a historical windfall ~themselves~, like y'know, actual lottery winners. that their kids didn't manage to hold onto a dime of it is par for the course.	[17:13]
pete_dushenski	show me the "boomer echo" kid whose great-grandparents actually owned something and i'll show you a kid who's doing well for himself today.	[17:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38050 @ 0.00048384 = 18.4101 BTC [-]	[17:14]
nubbins`	my great-grandparents floated over on the Empress of Ireland and lived in a canvas tent in Banff for 5 years	[17:17]
nubbins`	before scrounging enough to build a more permanent home	[17:18]
nubbins`	lotta keefes in the ground out west	[17:19]
nubbins`	and i don't think there were many flukes or windfalls this far east	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44300 @ 0.00048205 = 21.3548 BTC [-] {2}	[17:26]
pete_dushenski	definitely not as many windfalls in eastern canada as western canada, which is why obviously why some of our ancestors put up with the nightmarish cold and long winter nights :)	[17:27]
pete_dushenski	https://archive.is/XqnL7	[17:41]
assbot	Oh look, we’re back to “record” Chinese capital outflows \| FT Alphaville ... ( http://bit.ly/1QrJmE3 )	[17:41]
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kakobrekla	http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/07/ibm-asks-women-in-tech-to-hack-the-hair-dryer-women-tweet-back-to-let-ibm-know-its-not-the-1950s/	[18:01]
assbot	IBM Asks Women In Tech To Hack Hair Dryers, Women Tweet Back To Tell IBM It’s Not The 1950s \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK0KTy )	[18:01]
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ascii_field	http://techcrunch.com/2015/12/05/we-have-always-been-at-war-with-large-prime-numbers << l0ltr0n1c	[18:03]
assbot	This War On Math Is Bullshit \| TechCrunch ... ( http://bit.ly/1SK10SI )	[18:03]
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adlai	bahaha https://twitter.com/ClareFoges/status/668112043384393732	[18:31]
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pete_dushenski	@kav_p .@IBM Oh good gosh hack a hairdryer that'll make tech more easy for women to understand! Next time can we hack a delicious baked dinner?	[19:01]
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pete_dushenski	^ i don't see how cooking well is an undesirable skill, but apparently i can't begin to comprehend 'women in tech'	[19:01]
thestringpuller	my desk mate is a woman in tech	[19:04]
pete_dushenski	does she abhor cooking ?	[19:05]
thestringpuller	yes	[19:05]
pete_dushenski	then she's perfect for the job !	[19:05]
thestringpuller	I abhor cooking, only because I want immediate gratification when it comes to deliciousness.	[19:05]
pete_dushenski	"http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1559720/000116840415000029/xslFormDX01/primary_doc.xml << airbnb now 'worth' $25 BEELEEON	[19:06]
thestringpuller	How the fuck.	[19:06]
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thestringpuller	;;google "site:trilema.com lets have fund with paul graham"	[19:07]
gribble	Let's have fun with Paul Graham on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally - Mircea Popescu: ; You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. on Trilema - A ...:	[19:07]
*	pete_dushenski recently tried using airbnb to look for apartments in cologne, germany, not only didn't find, but computer KERNEL PANICED just by using their cutting-edge website. fucking. twice.	[19:07]
thestringpuller	^- guess the investors didn't do their reading	[19:07]
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ascii_field	pete_dushenski: 3xpl01t4bl3!1???111?	[19:08]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: (do you have a crash dump or the like ?)	[19:08]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: or investors read and still figures "hey, there's bigger chumps out there than me! i won't be the last one standing when the music stops! not this guy!"	[19:09]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: http://trilema.com/2012/lets-have-fun-with-paul-graham/#comment-99322 << my experience with airbnb	[19:09]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: funny how fiat investing has devolved into musical chairs for retards.	[19:09]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: not at hand.	[19:09]
ascii_field	eh	[19:09]
ascii_field	pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole	[19:10]
pete_dushenski	"you're shitting on a goldmine, trebek! if you had a penis mighter, i'd order a dozen!"	[19:10]
pete_dushenski	"the category is 'the pen is mightier', mr. connery"	[19:11]
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ascii_field	tell it to the\|rapist	[19:11]
ascii_field	l0l	[19:11]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: i had excellent experiences with airbnb 2.5 years ago in croatia. seems like it's gone to pot since then.	[19:11]
pete_dushenski	ascii_field: :D	[19:11]
*	pete_dushenski does a mean connery impression	[19:12]
pete_dushenski	but mean as in good !	[19:12]
thestringpuller	^- cause canadian?	[19:12]
thestringpuller	jk	[19:12]
pete_dushenski	l0l cuz 'classical education'	[19:13]
pete_dushenski	ie. http://www.contravex.com/2015/06/02/the-fruits-of-a-classical-education/	[19:13]
assbot	The fruits of a classical education. \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/21KtqlH )	[19:13]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: thought about you the other day	[19:14]
thestringpuller	buddy told me that some cops confiscated a Nissan GTR from some local drug dealer	[19:14]
thestringpuller	and so the cops now have a GTR police car...	[19:15]
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pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: pretty sure this is increasingly common in the states	[19:16]
pete_dushenski	iirc there was a newer corvette (c6?) that suffered a similar fate recently.	[19:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57338 @ 0.000484 = 27.7516 BTC [+] {3}	[19:16]
thestringpuller	That's just sad.	[19:16]
pete_dushenski	but hey, if you can't actually afford the cars (a la dubai), how else ?	[19:17]
thestringpuller	I got pulled over going like 60, and the cop was like "I don't want to have to peel you off that guard rail"	[19:17]
thestringpuller	and I was like "D00d you must have failed physics. My car is built to go 80 in mud, and I've tuned it for such. Also this is a straight away"	[19:17]
thestringpuller	"I could easily write you a ticket for going 20 over" "Not without having clocked me. Good luck getting that through court."	[19:18]
pete_dushenski	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2529963/Cop-gear-Dubai-police-forces-latest-squad-car-170-000-207mph-McLaren-MP4-12C-joins-fleet-including-Lamborghini-Aston-Martin-Bentley-Ferrari.html	[19:18]
assbot	Dubai police cars include a McLaren, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bentley and Ferrari \| Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1lKaWkc )	[19:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84350 @ 0.00048618 = 41.0093 BTC [+] {2}	[19:18]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: could've also answered, "i could easily shoot you in the stomach, wanna play chicken ?"	[19:19]
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pete_dushenski	o hey qntra is back.	[19:21]
thestringpuller	Our county doesn't want a dead nigga scandal.	[19:21]
pete_dushenski	ya, save that for obama !	[19:21]
thestringpuller	Particularly unarmed dead nigga scandal.	[19:21]
thestringpuller	XD	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	in other news, http://trilema.com/2015/the-bitlove-llc-spin-on-their-recent-implosion-as-presented-to-their-captive-audience/#comment-115997	[19:21]
thestringpuller	#blacklivesmatter	[19:21]
thestringpuller	or whatever	[19:21]
assbot	The Bitlove LLC spin on their recent implosion, as presented to their captive audience. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/21KuOVi )	[19:21]
kakobrekla	so, bip65 will be active in a day or so now	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla does it matter ?	[19:29]
thestringpuller	apparently if client doesn't implement softfork miners can slip in invalid tx's that the client won't recognize...	[19:32]
thestringpuller	dunno how true this is tho...	[19:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49150 @ 0.00048683 = 23.9277 BTC [+] {3}	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	so the client won't recognize them. what's the problem ?	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	you're not obligated to accept txn you don't want to accept.	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	"Note, however, that time-based locktime transactions are more or less unseen on the network currently." is the point of interest. currently, and permanently, nobody gives a shit about the entire bondogle eithger way.	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	"Implication for users: GetMedianTimePast() always trails behind the current time, so a transaction locktime set to the present time will be rejected by nodes running this release until the median time moves forward. To compensate, subtract one hour (3,600 seconds) from your locktimes to allow those transactions to be included in mempools at approximately the expected time."	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	translates to "and the dumb shit doesn't even work anyway"	[19:35]
thestringpuller	it never really did. the point of nlock was to hand a transaction over to someone in a "will" like form	[19:36]
thestringpuller	peter todd just really wanted the blockchain to enforce the time limit	[19:37]
thestringpuller	(since before it didn't write nlock tx's to blockchain. they would just sit in mempool)	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	whatever. you can put an arbitrary number in your txn anyway, and usg-time's never going to be anything but an arbitrary number.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	but i lol at the sort of idiot who actually relies on THIS for their will.	[19:38]
thestringpuller	hence why it never really worked in the first place.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	of course, they exist about in the numbers "ethereum investors" exist, which is to say purely in the feverish imagination of various "hacker" derps	[19:38]
thestringpuller	"ethereum investors" now reads as M$ to me. since my boss just showed me a beta to use eth on Azure...which makes no sense.	[19:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13150 @ 0.00047926 = 6.3023 BTC [-] {2}	[19:41]
thestringpuller	pete_dushenski: do you have literature on the yoga you do for the computer?	[19:41]
trinque	^ along these lines, a standing desk also helps quite a bit.	[19:43]
pete_dushenski	thestringpuller: http://www.yogajournal.com/category/beginners/how-to/office-yoga/ looks like a good start	[19:45]
assbot	Yoga for the Office: Practice While You're at Work ... ( http://bit.ly/21KyHcO )	[19:45]
pete_dushenski	i've actually been out of practice since fatherhood started, was doing a lunch-time session once a week aimed specifically at office/computer jockeys	[19:46]
pete_dushenski	aaaand nov 20 was the last time we cracked 1000 lines in a day.	[19:51]
pete_dushenski	i blame the lack of nubbins` !	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 95600 @ 0.00047783 = 45.6805 BTC [-] {4}	[19:54]
trinque	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-12-2015#1337522 << I've pulled the whole set again (including Nov), bundle out shortly.	[19:59]
assbot	Logged on 06-12-2015 20:00:47; phf: kakobrekla: phf logs fixed re tabs and newlines << cool everything parses clean now	[19:59]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338056 << notrly. all things being equal, it's much better for kids to grow up in squalour than in "reasonable" conditions.	[20:05]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:22:23; nubbins`: "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	as you say, look at the shit the boomers spawned.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338077 << all, preferably.	[20:06]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:42; ascii_field: the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage	[20:06]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338078 << this is a very naive view of price formation. if mere prohibition worked all the usg'd have to do to save the dollar would be to forbid people from owning it.	[20:10]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:44; trinque: prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself.	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	notwithstanding that it's doing exactly that, and in point of fact for a reason very similar to your thinking, nevertheless it has obviously no prayer in hell of working. it's not even wrong, it;s unrelated.	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	drugs were also verboten in communist romania - they didnt' have a price there. you'd have died of hunger with a brick of pure cocaine.	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338080 <<< certainly not better, hardly safer. it'd be a pretty bleak feudal crapsack with average lifespans in the 30s and unwilling slave women.	[20:13]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:25:23; nubbins`: trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	of course, the concept of "average" lifespan wouldn't make any intuitive sense, wut do you mean "average".	[20:14]
trinque	how about prohibition of a product that sells itself?	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	what does this mean ?	[20:14]
trinque	in the conversation linked, nubbins was discussing the newfie coke heads. seems like quite a task to stop the massive demand there.	[20:15]
trinque	meanwhile prohibiting the product limits and complicates the supply	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	that may be. but consider the situatuon of real estate. is "housing" a product that "sells itself" ?	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	what is the principal driver of price in real estate ?	[20:16]
mircea_popescu	(here's a hint : imbecile argentines imagine a tiny 1000 sqft apt is worth 150-200k usd, in their shit town. why ? why, because the government's been printing money, and people kept "investing" it, there's about two to five trillion pesos that have to be wiped out of the economy before it can return to working)	[20:17]
trinque	this is what confounds a simple answer to your question.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	the cost of the blowjob, and of the gram, and of the bed are not a function of how forbidden it is.	[20:17]
mircea_popescu	they're a functrion of how much money ios sloshing around.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	approach it from the other angle, the demand elasticity. take cokehead with $1000 income and a $1000 drug habit.	[20:18]
mircea_popescu	suppose his income doubles to $2000. is he now going to... save $1000 ?	[20:19]
deedbot-	[Trilema] Further views from Noesunpaispobre - http://trilema.com/2015/further-views-from-noesunpaispobre/	[20:19]
trinque	certainly not	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338086 << it's a good proxy for poverty. which is criminal, fundamentally and essentially criminal. there is no crime that doesn't both spawn from and reduces to "being poor".	[20:19]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:26:23; nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment	[20:19]
mircea_popescu	so my point is, to sum it up : that the prohibition of the drug trade has nothing to do with economics. it is a purely political choice, of trying to enact equality between the poor and the rest. this desperate, doomed nonsense may be ineffectual, painful, difficult, costly or what else have you, boring, whatever. it is nevertheless the ONLY thing that keeps the average lifespan of the not-us from being ~24 ; and the f	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	ate of any female aged ~14 with decent tits and a little bit of length of bone from being forcibly injected.	[20:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40924 @ 0.00048303 = 19.7675 BTC [+] {2}	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	the choices you have before you are the choices you have before you, not the choices you wish to have before you.	[20:22]
mircea_popescu	if drugs aren't illegal walmart is going to force-feed its workforce meth and go through 10x as many poor people.	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	perhaps even feed the employees the previous employees. god knows they did it to the cows, and only stopped because WE complained. not because the cows complained.	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	for all they cared, cow can sit in shit up to the belly and get more antibiotics.	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	and i'm going to ride through detroit atop a tank and shoot tranquilizer guns at anything that can twerk.	[20:24]
trinque	ahaha	[20:25]
trinque	and so the price is because, simply, they will pay it, as the product causes them to compulsively go after the product	[20:25]
mircea_popescu	pretty much.	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	they have it, see ?	[20:26]
mircea_popescu	what's the cost of a blowjob to the miner with a sackful of gold dust ?	[20:26]
*	trinque ought to have considered the effectiveness of prohibition, and not simply the idea of it.	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	figure it out, old whore de kirschner and her dumbass puddel scioli figured they'd stay in power on the votes of the poor. the very same fducking poor they prevented from having a life. and it blew up. if only they had meth and heroin on their side!	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	this country is roughly in the situation of the us cca 1815, with one major difference : buenos aires is their new york, yes, the port. but in argentina, 20 of 40 mn live in the port. that's half. in the us, less than 5% lived in the port. the rest went the fuck to ohio and built a farm.	[20:28]
mircea_popescu	but no, they want them here, living in bidonvilles "en la capital", so they keep voting peronistas in exchange for a little flour, so the peronistas can go to europe and borrow "to develop argentina" and then spend to... fuck up argentina.	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	obama won, on the same ticket. what if instead of "obamacare" they could have peddled "free heroin!!1 these mean people want to take it away!"	[20:29]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338106 << ironically, macri intends to pay.	[20:30]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 17:33:37; pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor !	[20:30]
trinque	I see. My line of thinking was that "this expediates the decay of those already rotting, and so what?"	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	that may be the hit of the century, guys bought the shit at 1.5 cents to the dollar, may well see full repayment a decade later.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	trinque leaves no one no way out, either.	[20:31]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338468 << money. what do you have to show for it ?	[20:34]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 19:52:37; nubbins`: put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it?	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	(pro tip : bills.)	[20:34]
mircea_popescu	and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property.	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	on the other hand, if i were a fucktarded argentine borrowing for this, i'd owe ~2.5mn peso principal + 300k or so a year interest + whatever you figure the devaluation risk costs me. over a 30 year period (heh, you gonna work for 30 years ? srsly ?) this comes to at the very least 40k a month. that's just about 2750 dollars.	[20:38]
mircea_popescu	so at the end of each month i got a coupla grand to show for not having been an idiot ; the owner's got some bills.	[20:39]
mircea_popescu	altenratively, if i were a fucktarded bitcoin owner i could have sold no less than 500 btc to pay for it. and in 30 years i'd have a great story about how i sold enough btc to buy nevada to get an apartment in a third world city.	[20:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00047736 = 14.7266 BTC [-] {2}	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	and don't tell me "it ain't like that where i live". obviously it ain't, and you're an idiot for living there in the first place.	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	for this reason. the fundamental incentive to living anywhere is whether you can stick it to the middle class through this mechanism or not. if you can't, they can stew in their own juices and play mahjong or whatever the fuck they play, bingo.	[20:42]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338537 << "could" they buy all of china yet ?	[20:49]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 22:04:45; thestringpuller: How the fuck.	[20:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338550 << i thought they can't be sold :D	[20:50]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 22:07:52; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole	[20:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27025 @ 0.00048304 = 13.0542 BTC [+]	[20:55]
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BingoBoingo	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338645 << Verily, because if not monetarily poor can afford rehab. Otherwise not poor of spirit/will can rehab before criminal justice system discovers other poverty.	[20:57]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 23:17:44; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338086 << it's a good proxy for poverty. which is criminal, fundamentally and essentially criminal. there is no crime that doesn't both spawn from and reduces to "being poor".	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	also because plutonium.	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/16e3e3624b0fcda10ac118ea4f094c98/tumblr_mumbh4MJ961rfc12eo1_1280.jpg	[20:58]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NeDCsM )	[20:58]
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mircea_popescu	!up ascii_field	[20:59]
-assbot-	You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes.	[20:59]
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ascii_field	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338682 << can be but you gotta be l337	[21:00]
assbot	Logged on 07-12-2015 23:48:28; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-12-2015#1338550 << i thought they can't be sold :D	[21:00]
ascii_field	(quite likely some of the folks here- could.)	[21:01]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.joplinglobe.com/news/update-crowder-students-being-released-neosho-campus-to-remain-closed/article_443dfd76-9cef-11e5-888b-93fcaa3d2b31.html	[21:02]
assbot	Update: Crowder students being released, Neosho campus to remain closed - Joplin Globe: News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lplohu )	[21:02]
BingoBoingo	Fucking Neosho Missouri of all places no one needs to know existed	[21:03]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52726 @ 0.0004872 = 25.6881 BTC [+] {3}	[22:26]
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mircea_popescu	wha happemned ?	[22:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33505 @ 0.00048671 = 16.3072 BTC [-] {3}	[22:45]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40400 @ 0.00048845 = 19.7334 BTC [+] {3}	[23:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.00048311 = 13.5754 BTC [-] {2}	[23:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32366 @ 0.00048837 = 15.8066 BTC [+] {3}	[23:45]

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