Forum logs for 07 Dec 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu << the mantises i was talking about a coupla days ago [00:23]
assbot ... ( ) [00:23]
BingoBoingo Who needs signatures when you have "witnesses" [00:23]
assbot multiple new BIP proposals coming up on day 2 of scaling bitcoin HK : Bitcoin ... ( ) [00:23]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski Were you still writing up something on the Tesla emissions scandal? [00:27]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:27]
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herbijudlestoids hello hello hello [00:28]
herbijudlestoids i was in the neighbourhood and thought id drop in [00:29]
herbijudlestoids hows life, assets! [00:29]
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ben_vulpes heya herbi [00:30]
BingoBoingo Life is not as bad as your connection [00:30]
ben_vulpes lolk [00:30]
ben_vulpes what is this neighborhood anyways [00:31]
phf franky fingers says those transactions are fine, capiche [00:32]
mircea_popescu << bwahaha the stuff that's on trilema. [00:36]
assbot ... ( ) [00:36]
mircea_popescu i get lost in there. [00:36]
mircea_popescu started looking for an article which essentially consists of a picture of a derpy kid in a very messy room (includes an oirange traffic cone) with various "busioness" and "internet tough guy" captions [00:37]
mircea_popescu anyone recall what the fuck i titled it ? [00:37]
ben_vulpes even vexual remembers herbi [00:37]
BingoBoingo ;;google trilema traffic cone internet tough guy [00:42]
gribble MIT: [00:42]
danielpbarron price per american press" [00:45]
mircea_popescu heh [00:45]
danielpbarron prometheus including haught holy horrors see below [00:45]
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mircea_popescu danielpbarron saywut ? [00:47]
danielpbarron from that vocabulary.txt [00:48]
mircea_popescu aj [00:48]
ben_vulpes more stego'd private keys [00:48]
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deedbot- [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - [01:58]
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ascii_field << now iirc mircea_popescu was trying out firms specializing in 'bulletproof' l337 sp4mz0r hosting. so i for one am not the least bit surprised that they kept his money [02:12]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 04:56:14; deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - [02:12]
ascii_field not that there is any alternative to this, mind you [02:12]
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ascii_field (if i knew of one, i'd have a motherfucking box) [02:13]
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BingoBoingo [02:19]
assbot Brutality of 1994 Panama fight still resonates with U.S. troops - Stripes ... ( ) [02:20]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform wut ? [02:20]
mircea_popescu lmao. us soldiers "were just trying to get college loans and dental", didn't sign up to actually fight. [02:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70705 @ 0.0004831 = 34.1576 BTC [+] {2} [02:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 107900 @ 0.00048833 = 52.6908 BTC [+] {4} [02:48]
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BingoBoingo "Less than half of Amerine’s platoon was healthy enough to participate, but this time they were armed with shotguns and tear gas, and they moved in at 3 a.m. Things went off without a hitch." << For the record this is now US policia SOP [03:10]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - [03:31]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - [03:31]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - [03:31]
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punkman << must run cloudflares!!! my sides [03:55]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 04:56:14; deedbot-: [Trilema] Internoc24 LLC aka is a scam, or how Milan & Dragan Slatjovic stole ~700 euro from me. - [03:55]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter? [04:26]
gribble The operation succeeded. [04:26]
BingoBoingo How do the Fender Flags handle in the snow? [04:26]
deedbot- [Qntra] Tesla Mimicks VW In Own Nitrous Oxide Scandal - [04:26]
punkman "We implement segregated witness right now, soon. What we do is discount the witness data by 75% for block size. So this enables us to say we allow 4x as many signatures in the chain. What this normally corresponds to, with a difficult transaction load, this is around 75% capacity increase for transactions that choose to use it. Another way of looking at it, is that we raise the block size [04:38]
punkman to 4 MB for the witness part, but the non-witness has same size. The reason for doing the discount, last slide, the reason for doing this discount is that it disincentivizes UTXO impact. A signature that doesn't go into the UTXO set, can be pruned." [04:38]
punkman they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they? [04:38]
punkman "This guy leaked our IP addresses to the public, I pm him kindly and begged him to remove them but he refused. If we ever got DDoSed due to his post, we have no choices but point our domains to his pool." [04:45]
assbot F2Pool Lashes Out When Called Out For SPV Mining | Qntra ... ( ) [04:45]
punkman ah the lulz [04:45]
BingoBoingo they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they? << Yes [04:48]
BingoBoingo punkman: I'm just happy Qntra already had a Discus Fish from an earlier story [04:49]
punkman tried their livestream yesterday, audio must have been recorded through $1 microphone in someone's pocket [04:51]
BingoBoingo Well last time they could afford a microphone was when they sold their BTC at $5 per and got out [04:53]
punkman "President Obama's former Deputy Press Secretary joins BitFury as new Chief Communications Officer: "Why I believe in the Blockchain and Why You Should Too"" [04:55]
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punkman I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps [04:57]
punkman !s bitfury [04:58]
assbot 315 results for 'bitfury' : [04:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55242 @ 0.00048287 = 26.6747 BTC [-] {3} [04:59]
punkman "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days [05:00]
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BingoBoingo The internet's premier fitness community strikes again [05:20]
assbot Injecting HCG directly into penis for dick gains? (Study inside) : steroids ... ( ) [05:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7712 @ 0.00048938 = 3.7741 BTC [+] [05:28]
punkman [05:33]
assbot ... ( ) [05:33]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Desperately trying to put the “auto” back into automobile in a flaccid attempt to put the relevance back into motoring. - [05:33]
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punkman "Visitors to the fair were reportedly confused by the stabbing, mistaking it for performance art. The area was quickly marked off with police tape, which some people seem to have thought was part of the installation." [05:48]
punkman [05:48]
assbot Woman Stabbed at Art Basel in Miami Beach - artnet News ... ( ) [05:48]
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gmaxwell Mildly amusing: I'm surprised that the 101 supporters have more than 1kbtc to their names. [05:59]
assbot Bitcoinocracy — BIP101 is better than BIP100 ... ( ) [05:59]
davout gmaxwell: curious how that thing behaves when funds move from signing addresses [06:02]
BingoBoingo gmaxwell: Well, you gotta figure if you have dollars and want to undermine bitcoin security at some point you're going to pick up some bitcoin. [06:03]
gmaxwell davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers. [06:04]
gmaxwell as there is a bug for "background update" or something [06:04]
BingoBoingo Anyways, it is still early in history. There can still be idiots out there with 4 digit BTC, though not too many. [06:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49450 @ 0.00048998 = 24.2295 BTC [+] {2} [06:05]
davout i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum... [06:06]
BingoBoingo Not to mention the "Industry" BIP 101 supporters who can sign with "other people's" BTC [06:06]
davout well, if they have the keys... [06:06]
gmaxwell Yea, I'm anticipating that one; though it would require them to figure out how to signmessage. :P [06:06]
gmaxwell a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins... [06:07]
davout i doubt that [06:07]
gmaxwell :( [06:07]
gmaxwell I don't feel bad that you doubt it, I wouldn't have believed it if I'd not seen it myself. It does make a lot of things make more sense. [06:08]
BingoBoingo Coinbase and ButtPay are still derping along with Other People's Money [06:09]
* BingoBoingo still finding the "Jim Crow Signature Witness" thing extraordinarily disturbing [06:13]
gmaxwell Ah, looks like main source of the pro 101 funds is satoshibones. [06:13]
fluffypony [11:03:56] <+davout> i know folks with 4-digit btc that also 'invested' in ethereum... <- a fool and his money... [06:18]
gmaxwell 4-digit btc would have been like ...all of the ethereum presale, no? [06:20]
punkman didn't they get like 30k btc? [06:20]
davout i did not say 'all' [06:20]
gmaxwell fluffypony: well, customers of a gambling site... probably the case most excusable to use customer funds to support 101. [06:22]
gmaxwell (derps probably all support 101 too. :) ) [06:22]
fluffypony lol [06:22]
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punkman 100btc worth of ETH at launch, still worth 400btc now. wonder how this will turn out [06:29]
assbot BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 73.96 B (34%) on Yes, 142.49 B (66%) on No | closed 5 days 9 hours ago ... ( ) [06:29]
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assbot OpenALPR - Automatic License Plate Recognition ... ( ) [06:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86019 @ 0.00048297 = 41.5446 BTC [+] {2} [07:18]
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assbot XSA-156 - Xen Security Advisories ... ( ) [07:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9336 @ 0.00048297 = 4.509 BTC [+] {2} [07:25]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.0004826 = 12.5476 BTC [+] {2} [07:46]
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funkenstein_ <-- thanks for linking bitcoinocracy, it looks nice. [09:12]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 09:02:03; gmaxwell: davout: I think it's supposted to forget them but I think it doesn't currently, based on some of the traffic on its issue trackers. [09:12]
funkenstein_ Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally [09:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27203 @ 0.00047866 = 13.021 BTC [-] [09:13]
funkenstein_ some more considerations if interested: [09:14]
assbot Introducing Coin-Vote | Free your Frass ... ( ) [09:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 86180 @ 0.00047528 = 40.9596 BTC [-] {2} [10:01]
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mircea_popescu !up leftbase [10:06]
-assbot- You voiced leftbase for 30 minutes. [10:06]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, [10:08]
assbot ... ( ) [10:08]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00047558 = 6.8008 BTC [+] [10:17]
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nubbins` so i had a darknet vendor try to scam me [10:19]
mircea_popescu o ? [10:20]
mircea_popescu did peterl's analysis service save you ? [10:21]
nubbins` naw, a mod gave me my money back :/ [10:21]
nubbins` mildly surprised at this [10:21]
nubbins` maybe the first time i've had an escrowed deal fall apart [10:22]
mircea_popescu he tried to scam you in spite of escrow ? [10:22]
nubbins` seems inconceivable, but yes. [10:23]
mircea_popescu they just get dumber and dumber, huh. [10:23]
nubbins` pkg marked shipped nov 5th [10:23]
nubbins` now, truthfully, i know why this happened [10:23]
nubbins` there was a peak in btc price around nov 5, when i placed order [10:24]
nubbins` vendor prob thought he'd get less $ than he deserved by the time money cleared escrow [10:24]
nubbins` so he just never sent anything [10:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 99800 @ 0.00047891 = 47.7952 BTC [+] {4} [10:25]
mircea_popescu and marked it shipped just in case he needs extra points with mod ? [10:25]
nubbins` yep. [10:25]
nubbins` mod ("OxyMonster", lel) was unimpressed [10:25]
mircea_popescu o look, somebody got butthurt at trilema, and figured ddos totally is going to do something! this time! [10:25]
mircea_popescu i wonder what could have it been! this time! [10:26]
punkman [10:31]
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mircea_popescu i see your bitchez and raise you a public servant. [10:33]
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mircea_popescu << epic. lmao. [10:35]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 07:24:31; deedbot-: [Qntra] Tesla Mimicks VW In Own Nitrous Oxide Scandal - [10:35]
mircea_popescu << it's very dubious this actually does anything above and beyond allowing a bunch of doofuses to claim they're doing things in an academia-convincing manner. [10:36]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 07:36:34; punkman: they found the most shitgnomiferous solution, didn't they? [10:36]
mircea_popescu haskell is a few steps down this road, and i hope the participants have fun. [10:37]
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mircea_popescu if you look at things, something like this was unavoidable. there's a lot of people who wish to "participate" in a very peculiar ustardian manner, which is why the peculiar ustarded flavour of academia was invented in the first place. [10:37]
mircea_popescu nobody cancelled "the things stupid people do". [10:37]
mircea_popescu << well, imagine! google owning it, and holding everyone at ransom over it! while lying about it, and random street-level derp having no fucking clue about it. [10:39]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 07:58:25; punkman: "Imagine a world where people can send money as easily as we send emails" << yeah sending email is such a joy these days [10:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22303 @ 0.00049074 = 10.945 BTC [+] {3} [10:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38097 @ 0.00049091 = 18.7022 BTC [+] [10:41]
mircea_popescu "I don't understand how there isn't more research into actual dick growth drugs. It seems like it would be profitable if condoned by the FDA." << it'd be totally profitable, but fda has nothing to do with it. [10:41]
mircea_popescu imagine, if kfc sold penis-obesity burgers! [10:41]
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mircea_popescu << this is actually par for the course for every usg-powered outfit out there. [10:43]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 09:05:04; gmaxwell: a lot of "industry" is using third party APIs to control their coins... [10:43]
mircea_popescu they do this with their shares, why wouldn't do this with their other assets. the monster is what it is in all its parts, not just the tail. [10:44]
mircea_popescu << that made absolutely no sense. [10:45]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 12:11:21; funkenstein_: Unspent outputs should form the basis rather than addresses, so that coin is free to move without changing tally [10:45]
adlai lets you print ballots for tx fees, incentivize gracious donations to block makers [10:48]
adlai if we're gonna have an election, at least make it a spectacle worth watching! [10:49]
mircea_popescu doh. so if i run a miner that has $days_left % of total hash output, i can freely vote an infinity of coins. because whatever, i just fill a block with an endless chain of votes and i'm going to eventually mine it into a block. [10:49]
adlai you'd still have a finite proportion of the network, other miners could print votes for themselves, or just process transactions normally, business as usual, which still lets others print their own ballots [10:50]
adlai fees race up as you fight over block space, price moons, democracy wins [10:51]
mircea_popescu basically the only way this thing can pretend to exist is if nobody gives a shit, and for as long as nobody does. [10:51]
mircea_popescu like so many other things "in" bitcoin. [10:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63400 @ 0.00049104 = 31.1319 BTC [+] {4} [10:55]
adlai hmm i'd phrase it the other way around. if nobody gives a shit about "vote" results, nobody has incentive to attack it. if people pay attention to elections, they get attacked, but the attack makes it seem that more money cared - because it did [10:55]
mircea_popescu yes. so the illusion that "this car made out of cardboard is road worthy" can be maintained for as long as nobody takes it on the road. [10:56]
adlai ah, i don't think such elections will effect the decision-making process of people who understand the system. this doesn't prevent the fee-donating competition from occurring [10:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2474 @ 0.00049248 = 1.2184 BTC [+] [11:09]
mircea_popescu i suppose it is the duty of informed people to allow the uninformed to donate any resources they might unwarrantedly have acquired. [11:15]
mircea_popescu reduces trouble potential down the road. [11:15]
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nubbins` hmm i bought a bunch of shit at the homebrew shop yesterday, and one of the items rang in as $0.00 [11:19]
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nubbins` man, the canadian dollar slipping to its lowest point since 2004 is really making the btc/cad exchange rate look good [11:28]
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nubbins` GEEEYE A GAUUAHN [11:32]
assbot Judge Jeanine: 'Get A Gun. Get It Legally. Learn How To Shoot It And Be Primed To Use It' - Fox Nation ... ( ) [11:32]
nubbins` GEEYET IT LEEGULLY [11:32]
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nubbins` death of a thousand lels [11:34]
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nubbins` i wonder what would've happened if the san bernardino goofs had gotten guns, gotten them legally, learned how to shoot them, and been primed to use them [11:38]
nubbins` o wait [11:38]
nubbins` also, the word "radicalized" has been media-ified into absurdity [11:39]
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fluffypony [11:45]
assbot Pls critique my code style : shittyprogramming ... ( ) [11:46]
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nubbins` lel [11:49]
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nubbins` i had a coworker once that wrote a 500-line function for manipulating arrays [11:50]
nubbins` her variable choices were "result1", "line3", "thisRow2" etc [11:50]
nubbins` hey phf [11:57]
nubbins` you did up the eulora homebrew tap? [11:58]
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thestringpuller dat brew [12:09]
thestringpuller i hate packaging things for mac [12:09]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [12:13]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 399.61, Best ask: 399.84, Bid-ask spread: 0.23000, Last trade: 399.68, 24 hour volume: 38665.44974803, 24 hour low: 384.53, 24 hour high: 404.24, 24 hour vwap: None [12:13]
nubbins` nod [12:14]
thestringpuller jurov: apparently the transferwise CEO is anti-bitcoin? [12:14]
thestringpuller or at least ill-informed [12:14]
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nubbins` think it was a git issue. progress [12:16]
nubbins` checking whether the C++ compiler works... no [12:17]
nubbins` lel nvm [12:17]
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thestringpuller ;;isup [12:23]
gribble is up [12:23]
thestringpuller ;;isup [12:23]
gribble is up [12:23]
thestringpuller Well not from this location [12:23]
nubbins` nor this [12:23]
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assbot Woman who has never felt pain experiences it for the first time | New Scientist ... ( ) [12:59]
nubbins` not being able to feel pain is actually a fairly serious condition [13:06]
nubbins` most people end up disfigured by late childhood [13:06]
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phf nubbins`: I have another bug report with 10.11, but this one's just odd. I'll check it out tonight [13:24]
nubbins` phf which gcc you using? [13:24]
nubbins` i've tried 4.9, 5.3; mp thinks maybe you targeted llvm? [13:24]
phf llvm/clang [13:24]
nubbins` lol k [13:25]
nubbins` don't check out anything yet [13:25]
nubbins` i symlinked gcc-4.9 to "gcc" ages ago, so it's trying to use that instead [13:25]
phf aaah [13:25]
mircea_popescu ha! [13:25]
mircea_popescu btw phf you ever gonna log an' get your reward ? [13:25]
nubbins` $ ls -la *gcc* [13:26]
nubbins` lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 41 17 Mar 2015 gcc -> /usr/local/Cellar/gcc/4.9.2_1/bin/gcc-4.9 [13:26]
nubbins` lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 20 Sep 2014 llvm-gcc -> clang [13:26]
phf but desc not working? that seems like some brew formula level issue [13:26]
nubbins` [13:27]
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nubbins` trying again w clang [13:28]
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pete_dushenski << bitfury has looong since turned to the dark side, dating back at least 1.5 years to kikvadze's cnbc interview in which he advocated for removing 21 mn coin cap. [13:29]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 07:55:46; punkman: I thought bitfury hadn't yet joined the "Blockchain" derps [13:29]
nubbins` ugh [13:29]
assbot BitFury and private property in the land of the free. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [13:29]
nubbins` [13:29]
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nubbins` phf it seems like it's still not using llvm-clang but its own gcc-5.3 [13:29]
deedbot- [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $600 before Jul 2016 - [13:30]
phf hmm, its possible i forgot to remove custom gcc call out from cal3d formula, ill have to check once im in front of a real computer [13:31]
phf or maybe it's picking up your gcc since you have it installed. homebrew compiler selection algo is all kinds of creative [13:34]
mircea_popescu seems the likelier explanation. [13:35]
pete_dushenski << curves, glorious curves [13:38]
assbot Logged on 06-12-2015 23:40:58; mircea_popescu: and something for petey... [13:38]
mircea_popescu curve means whore in romanian. [13:38]
nubbins` phf yeah symlink city. i did brew remove on all gcc's [13:38]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [13:39]
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nubbins` there we go, woop [13:39]
mircea_popescu o ? [13:39]
nubbins` cal3d compiled [13:39]
nubbins` (this was the step it was hanging on. not outta woods yet) [13:39]
mircea_popescu that's almost always the bitch. [13:39]
nubbins` yuh [13:39]
nubbins` iirc cal3d was my hemorrhoid when i was trying to cobble a working osx install [13:40]
mircea_popescu yaq [13:40]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i can see the connection to 'курва', but is there an etymological link to engl. 'cur' ? [13:40]
pete_dushenski [13:40]
assbot Oh no! is down. // ... ( ) [13:40]
nubbins` latin curvus, bent [13:40]
mircea_popescu it's almost certainly from slavonic "kuruva" [13:40]
pete_dushenski << basically just proper bridgestone rubber on all four corners. [13:40]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 07:23:53; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski ty, and how do you plan to prepare Saddam for Canadian Winter? [13:41]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: so i've always had a thing for slavonic whoors it seems ;) [13:41]
mircea_popescu lol [13:41]
mircea_popescu amusingly enough, in ro cant the superlative accomplishment of thievery is being "old whore". [13:42]
* pete_dushenski likes curvy women, yes, particularly those who elegantly put the 'broad' in broad [13:42]
pete_dushenski i think it's compensatory for my lousy upper body frame [13:43]
nubbins` oof this cs download is slooooow [13:43]
nubbins` FTTD ruins you on patience, i tell ya [13:44]
nubbins` fun story, installation guy says "do you want me to terminate the fibre at the pole, or inside the home? [13:45]
nubbins` i say "is there an extra cost?" he says "nope" i say "lule, come on in, no need to take off yr boots" [13:46]
nubbins` he warned that it's easy to damage the fibre where it enters the house [13:50]
nubbins` "what happens if i cut it?" [13:50]
nubbins` "we'll come out and fix it for free" [13:50]
pete_dushenski << mmm... broad... [13:51]
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nubbins` not curvy by any definition [13:52]
nubbins` i think the word you seek is "fit" [13:52]
pete_dushenski indeed, broad =! curvy, but rather signals the potential therefore once fillie is done being 'athlete' [13:53]
nubbins` once they're done being fit [13:54]
pete_dushenski correct [13:54]
nubbins` o.O [13:54]
nubbins` you're a strange man [13:54]
nubbins` [13:54]
assbot Suicide rate in Alberta jumps 30% in wake of mass oilpatch layoffs - Calgary - CBC News ... ( ) [13:54]
pete_dushenski << :D [13:54]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 13:32:58; mircea_popescu: << epic. lmao. [13:54]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: omg. from 10 to 13. whatevershallbedone [13:54]
pete_dushenski ok 252 to 327 [13:55]
pete_dushenski "If the trend continues, Alberta could be on track for 654 suicides this year." << and then next year, a thousand, and the year after that THE WHOLE PROVINCE WILL OFF ITSELF [13:55]
pete_dushenski need moar bailouts. [13:55]
nubbins` we have bailouts here now?! [13:56]
nubbins` fuck the oil sands anyway [13:56]
nubbins` the amount of drug addiction brought to NL by oil money is more staggering than the number of suicides in AB [13:57]
pete_dushenski !s cheese addiction [13:57]
assbot 0 results for 'cheese addiction' : [13:57]
pete_dushenski hm, coulda sworn there was something in the logs about cheese being more addictive than crack. or was it cheesecake ? [13:58]
nubbins` lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese [13:58]
nubbins` there's a lesson in here about paying labourers $70k/yr [13:59]
ascii_field << mega-observation [13:59]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 16:56:24; nubbins`: lol. and wiping your ass after taking a shit is more addictive than cheese [13:59]
ascii_field srsly. [13:59]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: more like $170k, even $270k [13:59]
ascii_field the ultimate addiction, imho, is not-having-meatbags-around [13:59]
nubbins` pete_dushenski fair nuf [13:59]
nubbins` either way [13:59]
nubbins` you give these goofs bags of cash [14:00]
nubbins` they go buy big trucks and big houses on credit [14:00]
nubbins` oops lul the grease ran out [14:00]
nubbins` wat do [14:00]
pete_dushenski why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less [14:00]
ascii_field nubbins`: we have legends of this kind of thing here, with lottery players [14:00]
nubbins` pete_dushenski the smart newfies took that money and came home with most of it, bought houses etc outright [14:01]
pete_dushenski which a chunk did, no doubt [14:01]
nubbins` the stunned ones took out leases, blew their money on drugs and gasoline, and are now fucked [14:01]
pete_dushenski the dumb ones were fucked to begin with [14:01]
nubbins` unfortunately, they're fucked here, not in alberta [14:01]
pete_dushenski who cares about dumb bois [14:01]
nubbins` people who have to interact with them? [14:02]
ascii_field ^ [14:02]
nubbins` i'd sooner interact with a dummy than with a coke-addicted dummy with $200k of personal debt [14:02]
pete_dushenski there are ex 'rig pigs' working farmers market stalls here, nice kids. [14:02]
nubbins` one of those dummies prob will not do a home invasion some day when he's broke, one prob will [14:03]
pete_dushenski can't stay addicted to blow 4ever, at least not when broke, this too shall pass [14:03]
ascii_field nubbins`: what's it take to land that work anyway [14:03]
nubbins` pete_dushenski o.O you know what happens when addicts are broke, yes? [14:03]
pete_dushenski you shoot them ? [14:03]
nubbins` ascii_field year or two of trade school [14:03]
ascii_field what's the catch ? [14:03]
ascii_field gotta be in the union ? [14:03]
nubbins` work sucks [14:03]
nubbins` and obv union, sure [14:04]
ascii_field all work sucks [14:04]
nubbins` some work sucks more than other work [14:04]
nubbins` physical labour 18 hours at a time particularly sucks [14:04]
ascii_field how many people per square metre in a drill platform ? [14:04]
pete_dushenski chain gangs are still a thing ? [14:04]
nubbins` ascii_field no idea. too many [14:05]
ascii_field ah these must be sea rigs [14:05]
nubbins` nah mostly land [14:05]
ascii_field then i have nfi what the problem is.. [14:05]
nubbins` ;;google alberta oil sands [14:05]
gribble Athabasca oil sands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Alberta's Oil Sands Alberta's Clean Energy Future: ; Alberta Energy: Oil Sands: [14:05]
pete_dushenski << found. [14:05]
assbot Logged on 22-10-2015 22:12:53; mircea_popescu: but in related news, [14:05]
pete_dushenski ;;google contravex alberta oil sands [14:06]
gribble Alberta Oil Sands Inc: ; Alberta's oilsands trade-off | Toronto Star: ; Go ahead Jim Prentice: raise taxes in Alberta and see if ... - Contravex: [14:06]
nubbins` <+pete_dushenski> you shoot them ? << so trite [14:06]
pete_dushenski so considerate of others ! [14:06]
nubbins` so imaginaruim of dr dushenskuss [14:06]
pete_dushenski guilty. [14:07]
nubbins` lemme give a rundown [14:07]
nubbins` dummies get high paying jobs up in AB [14:07]
nubbins` plenty of $$, why not try some coke? [14:07]
nubbins` come home, still addicted to coke [14:07]
nubbins` this creates demand [14:07]
nubbins` then coke dealers start multiplying [14:08]
nubbins` then coke /users/ start multiplying [14:08]
nubbins` then the money runs out (this happens not all at once) [14:08]
nubbins` then the poorest, most addicted turn to theft, robbery, break-ins, etc [14:08]
nubbins` then your city is suddenly full of broke addicts [14:09]
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nubbins` the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help" [14:09]
nubbins` !up ascii_field [14:09]
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nubbins` at which point they realize oh, there's a 6 month waitlist for help [14:10]
nubbins` guess i'll hold up a convenience store instead [14:10]
ascii_field and sometimes they find that there is no 'addiction clinic' for breaking addiction to space, clean air, hygiene, and cheese [14:10]
nubbins` sure there is, it's called therapy [14:10]
nubbins` comes in all shapes and sizes [14:10]
ascii_field though i hear mircea_popescu has a broomstick therapy [14:10]
nubbins` hmm big fire somewhere nearby [14:11]
pete_dushenski << substances are substances, hygiene is hygiene [14:11]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 16:57:20; ascii_field: << mega-observation [14:11]
nubbins` brb [14:11]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: for the purpose of this thought, any particular thing you've grown to like but suddenly cannot afford, is 'addiction' [14:11]
pete_dushenski not so. [14:12]
pete_dushenski i don't go into withdrawal when forced to use leaves for tp. [14:12]
ascii_field just as a small hole in your chest is a hole, whether made by bullet or meteorite [14:12]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: afaik cocaine aficionados don't suffer from withdrawal in the usual sense [14:13]
pete_dushenski i don't shiver and vomit and want to die from ass-wiping with plants as i would from morphine withdrawal [14:13]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: i think you're right, which really makes you wonder about the 'addictiveness' of coke [14:13]
ascii_field same as that of cheese [14:13]
ascii_field or life-without-roommates [14:13]
pete_dushenski bingo. [14:13]
ascii_field or 10,001 other things. [14:14]
ascii_field 'this is not life' [14:14]
pete_dushenski bingo to cheese... [14:14]
pete_dushenski so idiots who wanna rampage because 'no money for cheese' shouldn't be shot ? [14:14]
nubbins` "be shot" is trite [14:14]
ascii_field why not ? [14:14]
pete_dushenski what kind of civil society is this ?? [14:15]
nubbins` in reality, the addicts who can't find/afford coke don't just stop using [14:15]
nubbins` they just switch to prescription drugs. [14:15]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: sent to gulag, fine [14:15]
nubbins` there y'go, that's much less trite [14:15]
trinque nubbins` is assuming a big, cozy socialist state to take care of them [14:15]
nubbins` worthy of a serious conversation between adults [14:15]
ascii_field 'civil society' is just what remains after you fill the gulags [14:15]
pete_dushenski a fiver for trying to hold up cheese shop [14:15]
nubbins` trinque not so. [14:15]
trinque given that he lives in one, this is reasonable [14:15]
trinque oh? [14:15]
nubbins` such a state does not exist [14:15]
nubbins` if you want the government to help you, better not hold yr breath [14:16]
trinque dole checks don't show up in canada anymore? [14:16]
trinque I understand that they do here [14:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65900 @ 0.00048205 = 31.7671 BTC [-] {2} [14:17]
nubbins` wtf is a dole check gonna do? [14:17]
ascii_field ^ [14:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00048205 = 7.1825 BTC [-] {2} [14:19]
nubbins` dole is what, $400-smth a month here? [14:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 55866 @ 0.00048205 = 26.9302 BTC [-] [14:20]
nubbins` should be just about enough to cover, oh, nothing at all [14:20]
* pete_dushenski always reads 'checks' as 'inspections'. it's cheques goddamit ! [14:20]
nubbins` maybe at one time you could live off dole [14:21]
nubbins` but that was before all the cash-heavy oil workers came home & drove property values through the roof [14:21]
ascii_field nubbins`: in 'dole countries', the thing is barely enough for scum-life. satan help you if you've tasted human living [14:21]
trinque nubbins` │ the smarter ones say "i can't get out of this on my own, i need help" << >> nubbins` │ sure there is, it's called therapy [14:21]
trinque this struck me as a socialist perspective. [14:22]
nubbins` i didn't say free therapy [14:22]
trinque as for the dole, there's always public housing too [14:22]
pete_dushenski life's all about expectations [14:22]
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nubbins` trinque public housing has a bigger waitlist than addictions help. [14:22]
nubbins` also mostly goes to families vs individuals [14:22]
nubbins` "but doesn't that encourage the destitute addicts to start queefing out kids?" yes it does. [14:23]
trinque the question of what happens to these people only matters under economic and social circumstances which are advantageous to them. [14:24]
nubbins` "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep [14:24]
trinque I took pete_dushenski's "get shot" as "get fucked/who cares" [14:24]
nubbins` lol [14:24]
nubbins` ok. [14:24]
trinque aside drug prohibition what are they going to do to make enough money to matter? [14:24]
nubbins` so the "LALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU" approach? [14:24]
trinque aside living among them what do I care what they do to each other? [14:25]
trinque yes, no "something must be done" about it [14:25]
nubbins` you do live among them, ya fuckin dumbass. [14:25]
trinque no, I do not [14:25]
ascii_field !s Conde de Alba de Yeltes [14:25]
assbot 1 results for 'Conde de Alba de Yeltes' : [14:25]
nubbins` oh, on what planet do you live? [14:25]
ascii_field !s in the sewers [14:25]
assbot 23 results for 'in the sewers' : [14:25]
* trinque looks out the window [14:25]
trinque not a bum in sight [14:25]
nubbins` well if you can't see any right now [14:26]
nubbins` i guess there aren't any [14:26]
trinque if there were no drug prohibition how would that economic process you described work, exactly? [14:26]
nubbins` also, equating "drug addict" with "bum" is an exceptionally rudimentary understanding of the world [14:26]
ascii_field the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage [14:26]
trinque prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself. [14:26]
ascii_field otherwise you get a lenin eventually and get fucked. [14:27]
nubbins` trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place [14:27]
trinque aside massive govt distortions of the market, stupid tends to die. [14:28]
trinque drugs is a prime example [14:28]
trinque *are [14:28]
pete_dushenski << "Women composers make up less than 2% of all of the music performed." damn those americans are racialist. [14:28]
nubbins` treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment [14:28]
pete_dushenski obama must intervene ! [14:28]
assbot ... ( ) [14:28]
trinque nubbins`: well certainly [14:28]
nubbins` actually, ignoring drug abuse is pretty fuckin stupid too [14:29]
nubbins` most govs do one or the other, or both at once [14:29]
trinque I'd say "end prohibition" hits it head-on. [14:29]
trinque weed prices for example in legalized states are falling all the time [14:29]
trinque apply that to the harder stuff; profits subside and those pushing the dope go on to better things [14:30]
nubbins` i pay about $250/month directly to criminal gangs [14:30]
nubbins` because of prohibition [14:30]
trinque spending far less on aspirin I'd imagine [14:30]
nubbins` costco has pretty cheap aspirin [14:31]
nubbins` now on top of that, you have the idiot cops running around [14:31]
nubbins` busting dope pedlars [14:31]
nubbins` essentially purchasing the drugs with your tax dollars, and not even using them afterward [14:31]
ascii_field don't worry, weed-legalization will free up their hands to bust bitcoin aficionados [14:31]
nubbins` seriously, there was a big bust here recently, i calculated that the cops paid something like $4 a gram for the weed they seized. [14:32]
nubbins` if the shit was legal, purchasing that same gram would yield the gov $4+ in taxes [14:32]
nubbins` but hey, what do i know [14:33]
nubbins` it's not like all the black market soft drug money goes directly to hell's angels and vietnamese gangs, oh wait [14:35]
pete_dushenski "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor ! [14:35]
nubbins` it's not like buying prohibited dope helps keep coke dealers in business, oh wait [14:35]
nubbins` anyway this is turning into generalized griping [14:36]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: anyways, once the residual albertabux dry up, newfoundland will go back to being a 'service economy' or whatever it's been since the cod packed up and left. your housing prices will return to the incredibly affordable 'normal' you were used to, and all will be well again until the next time a canadian province has a resource boom and your industrious young men provide the necessary cannon fodder. [14:38]
pete_dushenski speaking of resource booms, [14:38]
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nubbins` economy, lol. [14:49]
nubbins` you've obv never been here [14:49]
mircea_popescu << riiight. [14:50]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 16:58:29; pete_dushenski: why a quarter-mn to some 23 yo newfie punk ? BECAUSE THE JOB SUCKS. and literally no one would do it for less [14:50]
mircea_popescu talk to teh syrian immigrants. [14:50]
mircea_popescu that's what they did back home, anyway. [14:50]
nubbins` pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well" [14:51]
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nubbins` but hey [14:51]
nubbins` don't let me get in the way of your over-9000 triteness [14:51]
nubbins` 8) [14:51]
mircea_popescu << if you're looking for something, manning expeditions to the north pole is more your alley. [14:52]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:02:33; ascii_field: how many people per square metre in a drill platform ? [14:52]
mircea_popescu the main thing is being able to sit by oneself for six months in the dark [14:52]
nubbins` ^ some can, some can't [14:52]
nubbins` that's the other "high pay, shitty work" option for canadians: go up north [14:52]
nubbins` i personally would not fare well above the treeline [14:53]
nubbins` too barren [14:53]
nubbins` super depressing [14:53]
mircea_popescu great way to retire imo [14:53]
nubbins` people do it [14:54]
mircea_popescu way the fuck better than going to florida. [14:54]
nubbins` also common for older folks who didn't plan so well for retirement. [14:54]
nubbins` move up north for yr last 5 years in the workforce [14:54]
ascii_field for eskimo-style retirement [14:54]
ascii_field 'i must step outside and may be a while' (tm) (r) [14:54]
nubbins` gov literally pays you to live up there [14:55]
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mircea_popescu as opposed to where, in berlin ? [14:55]
mircea_popescu gov literally pays you to live anywhere. [14:55]
nubbins` as opposed to southern canada :D [14:55]
nubbins` like, "you live north of 60, here is your nothern allowance" [14:55]
nubbins` "use it to offset the insanely high cost of goods" [14:56]
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mircea_popescu << or coke. [14:56]
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nubbins` could keep going but shrug, you get the idea [14:58]
mircea_popescu << i have no idea what your problem with shooting 'em is, but anyway. [14:58]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:13:22; nubbins`: worthy of a serious conversation between adults [14:58]
nubbins` mircea_popescu practical matters aside, nm [14:58]
mircea_popescu i happen to agree : if you happen to be poor and happen to be loud, being shot is the correct policy. [14:58]
mircea_popescu it's how i ran my town the only time i ever ran a town, and it's how i intend to run any town i ever run. [14:58]
nubbins` lel [14:58]
mircea_popescu shooting people certainly a lot more practical than "helping" people. [14:59]
mircea_popescu seeing how i've seen shot people with mine own eyes, but helped people i am entirely unsure anyone ever saw. [14:59]
ascii_field !s more persuasive than persuasion [15:00]
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nubbins` in fairness, if you'd seen more people helped you'd have seen less people shot [15:00]
mircea_popescu this sounds like a worse outcome. [15:00]
nubbins` depending on your parser [15:01]
mircea_popescu but you know that trite happens to be a sort of banal, right ? [15:01]
mircea_popescu the only trite thing these days is "helping". [15:01]
mircea_popescu done to death. time for some fresh. [15:01]
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nubbins` actually pretty much anything pete says falls under the category of trite, too [15:02]
nubbins` he's like a mini-mp, but without the circuitous argument skills [15:03]
mircea_popescu lol [15:03]
whaack !rate funkenstein_: 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics" [15:04]
assbot funkenstein_: is not registered in WoT. [15:04]
nubbins` and i guess the btc wealth [15:04]
nubbins` not really sure what pete's pocketbook looks like [15:05]
ascii_field like jupiter but without the mass ! [15:05]
nubbins` AOOOOOO [15:05]
whaack !rate funkenstein_ 2 met in the flesh, has a great blogpost "on chumponomics" [15:05]
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mircea_popescu whaack link to that ? [15:05]
mircea_popescu nubbins` iirc he said when i asked him, lemme see [15:05]
whaack [15:05]
nubbins` 12 years in catholic school, i'm done with mass 8) [15:05]
mircea_popescu [15:05]
assbot Logged on 30-09-2015 19:07:55; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu property manager of a small, older commercial building that my father owns. 6 tenants, 100 occupants, fun little project. also manage two residential properties. also manage a small start-up in the construction materials space, we make the first/only/bestest fibreglass composite curtain wall framing. and then there's the little one. le petit monstre... [15:05]
nubbins`! [15:06]
nubbins` WHAT IS THIS [15:06]
mircea_popescu this guy got an altcoin [15:06]
nubbins` mircea_popescu so he "manages" a couple things for dad? [15:06]
mircea_popescu iirc i bought some bitpennies' worth [15:06]
* nubbins` puts more weight on pete's words going forward [15:06]
mircea_popescu nubbins` for all you know it's a tax dodge [15:06]
* mircea_popescu has no idea. [15:06]
whaack It's been posted here before [15:06]
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nubbins` for all i know it's all made up [15:07]
mircea_popescu and you're a girl. [15:07]
trinque nothing shameful about a family business. [15:07]
nubbins` you've seen pictures of my body [15:07]
mircea_popescu but for all i know... [15:07]
nubbins` :D [15:07]
ascii_field trinque: iirc he has a day job, as a health inspector, somewhere [15:07]
ascii_field beyond this, i've nfi [15:07]
nubbins` trinque nothing remarkable either [15:07]
mircea_popescu orly ? why not ? [15:08]
nubbins` same reason an inheritance is unremarkable [15:08]
mircea_popescu this'd be a fine example of trite. [15:08]
mircea_popescu an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago. [15:08]
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mircea_popescu today, it's fucking remarkable. means about the same as a dog's pedigree [15:08]
nubbins` heh [15:08]
mircea_popescu and you wouldn't buy a dog without a pedigree. [15:08]
nubbins` remarkable in the sense that saving for the future is remarkable [15:09]
nubbins` unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall [15:09]
mircea_popescu "this guy was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. unlike everyone on the internet, who is here mostly because their mother thought being ugly is enough excuse to fuck drunks. [15:09]
mircea_popescu mno. [15:09]
nubbins` "pete's so amazing, his dad bequeathed him a suitcase of bills" [15:09]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [15:09]
mircea_popescu all things equal i'd rather deal with someone who comes from sane parents. [15:09]
trinque this is a poor person's notion of the wealthy. [15:09]
nubbins` mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups [15:10]
mircea_popescu i guess it depends on teh parser. [15:10]
nubbins` 8) [15:10]
nubbins` so much does, hey? [15:10]
mircea_popescu but i'm still gonna get you for that circuitous. [15:10]
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nubbins` gotta catch me first. [15:10]
nubbins` this can be accomplished by either speeding up OR slowing down [15:10]
mircea_popescu lol. [15:11]
nubbins` don't look a gift painting in the brush [15:11]
nubbins` ^ parallel universes collapsed as i wrote that [15:11]
nubbins` anyway [15:12]
nubbins` there's a set of lifestyles that allow one to dick around on irc all day [15:12]
mircea_popescu generally known as "non-bum ; non-blue collar" [15:13]
nubbins` that's one half [15:13]
mircea_popescu tho some people push the bum envelope pretty hard. [15:13]
nubbins` the other half is "on welfare" [15:13]
nubbins` consider that there are people active in here on a daily basis who are 100% supported by the state, and others who are 100% self-supporting [15:14]
nubbins` if you don't work in tech, odds are you're one of the former [15:14]
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ascii_field some of even live in communist shitholes where tech and ~all else is state-supported [15:15]
mircea_popescu tech, finance, governance, hey, do you count the usg plants as self-supported or state-supported ? [15:15]
mircea_popescu check it out, nubbins` schematic thought naufraged once more on the circuitous beaches of irl. [15:16]
nubbins` depends on the parser? [15:16]
mircea_popescu lol [15:16]
mircea_popescu ascii_field ironically, the "tech and all else is state supported" shithole mostly would be the bay area. [15:17]
nubbins` if you're on a computer all day long and you don't /work/ at a computer all day long, chances are you're coasting. either on your own funds or someone else's [15:17]
mircea_popescu with a little bit of portland and seattle etc. [15:17]
mircea_popescu nubbins` im actually on three computers. one of which is mining magical dungbeetles. [15:17]
mircea_popescu i consider that work. [15:18]
nubbins` me too [15:18]
mircea_popescu ironically, my virtual game character made more in november than 50% of earth's population, and most africans. [15:18]
nubbins` now suppose instead of mining dung beetles, you're waiting for a tenant to say the radiator's busted in your dad's building [15:18]
* pete_dushenski leaves for few minutes, only to discover that his dad is dead and bequeathed him some paper, that's he's mp-but-no-mp, that he didn't retire from health inspection, and that he's on welfare because not 'in tech'. [15:18]
pete_dushenski you guys are wild ! [15:18]
nubbins` i think your parser is broken [15:19]
pete_dushenski :P [15:19]
nubbins` mp-but-no-mp is generous [15:19]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski ironically, nubbins` retired from tech to do artsy bs, and now has a sweet tooth for anyone daring not be in tech! [15:19]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: hey one time i left for an hour and came back to discover that i suffer from depersonalization and am dog-who-identifies-as-cat [15:19]
nubbins` really i retired from tech to stave off suicide later in life, but this is splitting hairs [15:19]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: whole thing was 'generous'. twas the point ;/ [15:19]
mircea_popescu in fairness, if i were a woman, and worked my ass off for throughout my teen years, and then retired to... start my own perfume line, [15:20]
mircea_popescu i'd be pretty harsh to all these hussies daring to prance around in like clothes [15:20]
mircea_popescu and where's all the cum ?! [15:20]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: l0l! [15:20]
nubbins` ascii_field i left for 7 weeks and nobody but you wondered about me ;( [15:20]
nubbins` hurts.jpg [15:20]
pete_dushenski i wondered! [15:20]
nubbins` aw [15:20]
nubbins` i've been making homebrew [15:21]
mircea_popescu the interdweebs can be a harsh mistress! [15:21]
nubbins` and published an art book [15:21]
nubbins` hand-printed, hand-bound! [15:21]
ascii_field eh nubbins` i thought of you!111 every time i papercutted on my ragged bitcoin printout binder [15:21]
mircea_popescu nubbins` are you gonna get butthurt if i tell you the thing sucked ? [15:21]
nubbins` not rly, i don't value yr opinion on art [15:21]
nubbins` go ahead [15:21]
mircea_popescu aite. [15:21]
pete_dushenski bbl [15:22]
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nubbins` it's mostly a vehicle for advertising our skills at silkscreen printing [15:22]
nubbins` content is mostly irrelevant [15:22]
mircea_popescu ah [15:22]
nubbins` one crazy fucker bought 5 copies [15:23]
nubbins` nfi [15:23]
* mircea_popescu doesn't recall the last time he actually saw a competent draughstman / painter / anything. [15:24]
nubbins` i'm an exceptionally competent printer [15:24]
mircea_popescu whole lotta doodlers. [15:24]
mircea_popescu well printing's an industry not an art! [15:24]
nubbins` yep [15:24]
nubbins` i'm a technician more than anything [15:24]
nubbins` BUT [15:24]
nubbins` lemme find some close-up photos that will mean absolutely nothing to you [15:24]
mircea_popescu actually The Story of Nubbins the Industrious would make a pretty decent book title. [15:24]
nubbins` [15:25]
assbot CMYK printing - very light and dark tones - Page 2 ... ( ) [15:25]
nubbins` post #19 if you don't feel like waiting for the jump [15:26]
mircea_popescu 20s better [15:27]
mircea_popescu anyway, yes, they're well printed. [15:27]
nubbins` it requires a couple years of abject failure to truly appreciate, but tyvm [15:27]
mircea_popescu were these made by hand ? [15:27]
nubbins` yep [15:27]
nubbins` mix our own inks from scratch too [15:27]
mircea_popescu cuz i can see some laser markings [15:27]
mircea_popescu do you have any pics of the chisels you used ? [15:28]
nubbins` ;/ [15:28]
mircea_popescu aww i'm just kidding. [15:28]
mircea_popescu that shit was too funny. [15:28]
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nubbins` ignore the watermark & url, these are my actual tools [15:29]
mircea_popescu ahahaha [15:29]
nubbins` the mirror is for checking. [15:29]
mircea_popescu "my factchecking mirror" [15:29]
nubbins` gigposters forums are a wealth of info [15:30]
nubbins` odd thing to say about a forum [15:30]
nubbins` but hey [15:30]
mircea_popescu actually unfashionable, prof driven forums are usually ok. [15:30]
mircea_popescu the plague starts once bitcoin/experts sexchange/seo/mommy/ what have you default activities of those who really should have been shot in their teen years. [15:31]
nubbins` heh [15:31]
nubbins` gigposters has "premium membership" ($20/yr) and people get turbo shit-on if they ask too many questions w/o coughing up some funds [15:31]
nubbins` oddly... it works. [15:31]
nubbins` somewhat related, pix & video of me at work: [15:32]
assbot Common printing problems and their solutions ... ( ) [15:32]
* nubbins` gives back to the commyoonity [15:35]
nubbins` in fact, i feel deeply indebted to the place, as i essentially learned my trade there [15:35]
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mircea_popescu why not feel deeply indebted to the actual people that taught you ? [15:36]
* mircea_popescu has ~0 anything for "the school", remembers some teachers. [15:37]
thestringpuller Cuz football. Or I guess that's just the party schools. [15:38]
thestringpuller I have found a correlation to alumni dedication and how "out of control" the partying is at said alma matar. [15:39]
mircea_popescu i guess if the sluts were good i'd credit the school more than the individual sluts in question... maybe. [15:41]
nubbins` mircea_popescu it's a schelling point, couldn't have found the actual people were it not for the venue [15:41]
mircea_popescu so ? [15:41]
nubbins` why not pledge fealty to mp instead of TMSRO~ [15:42]
mircea_popescu this is exactly why the wot exists - to disinhabituate socialists from stealing from the people and giving to "the institution" so that lenin, stalin or whatever other nigger can then steal it. [15:43]
mircea_popescu there is no tmsr outside of the nodes in the wot graph [15:43]
nubbins` there is no gigposters forum outside of the knowledgeable who post there [15:43]
* mircea_popescu is a little wary of this theory. zuckerberg thinks he owns facebook. [15:44]
mircea_popescu what facebook ? [15:44]
nubbins` what fb indeed. [15:44]
nubbins` a different angle: what better way to encourage indebtedness to me? [15:44]
mircea_popescu hm ? [15:45]
nubbins` tons of noobs out there failing at screenprinting [15:45]
nubbins` until they come across my posts [15:45]
nubbins` (they still fail but at least know why) [15:45]
mircea_popescu so what's the trouble with that ? [15:45]
nubbins` no trouble at all [15:46]
mircea_popescu remarkably, you do use your name :) [15:46]
nubbins` :D [15:46]
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mircea_popescu some intuition of the whole thing doth exist. [15:46]
nubbins` before i commit to this character, am i supposed to be able to change physical features? [15:46]
mircea_popescu nah [15:47]
nubbins` clicking things seems not to change avatar [15:47]
nubbins` ah k [15:47]
mircea_popescu o hey characters huh ? [15:47]
mircea_popescu get foxy's bot while at it, it's very useful. [15:47]
nubbins` the glow burns me ;/ [15:52]
mircea_popescu haha [15:52]
mircea_popescu find your way uphill, there's some tables there and a coupla animated fruitboxes [15:52]
mircea_popescu ima be over in a minute. [15:52]
mircea_popescu fix you up with some tools and assorted junk [15:53]
thestringpuller WTF PEOPLE. Arguing "Bitcoin needs to be able to change and evolve" to back your opinion on hard forks is beyond fucktarded. [15:55]
thestringpuller I srsly feel like Dave Chappelle up in this bitch. I want to believe people have potential to become actual human beings, but I guess I'm wrong. [15:55]
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nubbins` i am in / why is everyone black [15:55]
thestringpuller you're missing texture data [15:56]
thestringpuller and the sky box [15:56]
kakobrekla its called african american [15:57]
nubbins` :/ [15:58]
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mircea_popescu lol. it's night time~! [15:58]
nubbins` ooop there comes the sky! [15:59]
* nubbins` total noob [15:59]
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mircea_popescu hola cristina [16:06]
mircea_popescu btw nubbins` if you want a job i prolly got something for you :D [16:07]
nubbins` you quite literally would prob have to walk me through it [16:07]
nubbins` !up btcdrak [16:07]
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nubbins` !up Cristina [16:07]
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Cristina ahora si puedo ablar jeje [16:08]
Cristina <+mircea_popescu> hola hola [16:08]
mircea_popescu didja go to the slutwalk ? [16:08]
nubbins` i may have to start out with basic things like "how to do anything besides walking around" [16:08]
mircea_popescu well prolly should do that in #eulora, and also... don't you enjoy a mystery ? :D [16:09]
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nubbins` haha yep [16:10]
mircea_popescu eulora has this very pronounced old style adventure quality to it, for the first few hours/days/weeks/we it takews you. [16:10]
Cristina que tal todo por a qui? [16:11]
Cristina mucho trabajo?? [16:11]
mircea_popescu mno. [16:11]
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pete_dushenski << i'm agreeing with you dude, thus 'service economy' line. i know full well that nfld had jack all for an economy 15 years ago and will likely be back where it started 15 years hence. [16:39]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:47:28; nubbins`: you've obv never been here [16:39]
pete_dushenski << funny, syrians don't seem to much care for -40C [16:39]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:48:11; mircea_popescu: talk to teh syrian immigrants. [16:39]
nubbins` 15 if we're lucky, 2 if not [16:39]
nubbins` we sorta put all our eggs in the oil basket [16:40]
pete_dushenski not sure why, but all the syrians who come to canada stay in big cities and stay the fuck away from fort mcmurray [16:40]
nubbins` because fort mac is full of fuckin shitty rednecks? [16:40]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: well, tbf, what other basket was there than oil ? [16:40]
nubbins` and it costs $800/mo to rent a hammock in an unheated shed? [16:40]
nubbins` pete_dushenski prudence woulda been putting the grease money into something else before it was too late [16:41]
* pete_dushenski was landlord in fort mac during 'good times', knows. [16:41]
nubbins` instead, we have muskrat falls [16:41]
nubbins` massive boondoggle megaproject already billions over budget [16:41]
pete_dushenski muskrat falls ? hydroelectric dam ? [16:42]
nubbins` yeah [16:42]
nubbins` eventually, anyway. [16:42]
nubbins` power lines running from labrador across the strait to the island [16:42]
nubbins` across the fucking long-range fucking mountains [16:42]
nubbins` down thru NL and over the water to NS [16:42]
nubbins` and then to american markets and beyond [16:42]
pete_dushenski well, again, tbf, it's entirely in the nature of mega-projects to go over-budget and past 'expected' timeline for completion [16:43]
nubbins` oh sure. [16:43]
pete_dushenski pretty sure 95%+ of such projects have these same issues [16:43]
nubbins` tbf, if it happens every time, maybe just bump up the numbers from the start [16:43]
mircea_popescu i dunno, the last ice age didn't go over budget. [16:43]
nubbins` "it's weird, we blow our snowclearing budget by january 5th every year" [16:43]
nubbins` i dunno, maybe budget more? [16:43]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: lol but voters can't handle the truth ! [16:43]
mircea_popescu it's theft dude. [16:43]
mircea_popescu "it's weird, the wevils eat our grain i na week" [16:44]
nubbins` voters can't handle much [16:44]
mircea_popescu "put more grain in there" [16:44]
mircea_popescu logic. [16:44]
nubbins` nl politics is weird [16:44]
pete_dushenski << so... tell 'em to rent. what. "everyone should have house and make profit all teh timez" ? please. [16:44]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:49:06; nubbins`: pete_dushenski all the people whose houses are suddenly worth less than the outstanding mortgages would tend to disagree that "all will be well" [16:44]
mircea_popescu same exact thing happened to the athenian fucking fleet. [16:44]
nubbins` heh. [16:44]
mircea_popescu "it's weird, huh." [16:44]
nubbins` "my house is worth 100k and i owe 200k" "so just rent" [16:44]
nubbins` o.O [16:45]
pete_dushenski what. declare bankruptcy, start over. [16:45]
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pete_dushenski or RENT IN THE FIRST PLACE [16:45]
nubbins` yes, or rent in the first place [16:45]
pete_dushenski wtf were you doing taking out massive loan when you didn't understand downside risk [16:45]
pete_dushenski fuck you and your stupid mother. [16:45]
nubbins` well, this, yes. [16:46]
nubbins` but telling them to rent after the fact is gibberish [16:46]
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pete_dushenski ok, they should live on the street after the fact ;/ [16:46]
pete_dushenski learn a fucking lesson [16:46]
pete_dushenski and teach one to their kids [16:46]
nubbins` tbf it's not a lesson unless they wanna sell [16:47]
pete_dushenski "don't borrow a lot of money unless you're fucking rich" [16:47]
nubbins` house worth 100k and you owe 200k? just keep living in it :P [16:47]
nubbins` hope you saved yr oil money [16:47]
nubbins` "don't borrow a lot of money unless you don't need to" is ok advice [16:47]
mircea_popescu kinda the whole point of property being that solvent owners really don't give a shit what other parties think things be "worth". [16:48]
nubbins` for someone like me, market value affects property tax, little else [16:48]
pete_dushenski nubbins`: i feel sorry for the idjits paying down 200k mortgage for house that will only ever be worth 100k. why not light money on fire ? stay warm, enjoy the show ? [16:48]
nubbins` so the mortgage goes up $50/mo. big whoop. [16:48]
nubbins` pete_dushenski now you've got empathy?! [16:49]
pete_dushenski pfff [16:49]
pete_dushenski cynic [16:49]
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nubbins` yam what i yam [16:49]
nubbins` i actually received a new property assessment in the mail last week [16:50]
pete_dushenski so explain to me guy who keeps paying down 200k mortgage on 100k house. does he expect house to one day be worth 200k again ? [16:50]
nubbins` pete_dushenski maybe, maybe not. either way, he's gonna spend $12k/year on living space [16:50]
nubbins` whether that's paying off a too-high mortgage or paying off someone ELSE'S too-high mortgage is his choice [16:51]
nubbins` i feel there's more value in one than the other, ymmv [16:51]
nubbins` renting is fine if you wanna work forever [16:53]
nubbins` if you'd rather work less as time goes on, well, maybe buy? [16:53]
nubbins` put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it? [16:54]
pete_dushenski ok, let's work the with 'maybe house will never again be worth 200k' condition. why not give 12k to landlord instead of bank ? will landlord not put that money to more practicable and local use, having a higher probability of bettering renter's station ? [16:55]
nubbins` probably not, no. [16:55]
pete_dushenski oh ? how do you figure ? [16:55]
pete_dushenski because i'd see local landlord and caring more about my town than some bank in toronto [16:56]
pete_dushenski s/and/as [16:56]
nubbins` landlords don't give a red fuck about their towns [16:56]
nubbins` in general [16:56]
nubbins` besides, how's the landlord buying a new snowblower at Wal-Mart helping the local anything? [16:56]
pete_dushenski well, you're a landlord aintcha, don't you care about your town ? [16:56]
nubbins` log says i do, yep [16:57]
nubbins` but i'm not building community spaces out of my profit either [16:57]
nubbins` i'm spending it on my greedy self [16:57]
pete_dushenski you're a small time landlord though, and even still i'm sure you don't buy much of anything at usg-megacorp-retail-centre [16:58]
nubbins` agreed [16:58]
pete_dushenski you probably buy local, neh ? [16:58]
nubbins` i try! [16:58]
pete_dushenski of course you do ! [16:58]
pete_dushenski that's my point. [16:58]
pete_dushenski that landlords, like yourself, like myself, give a shit about the places they live MORE than the banks from far-off lands. [16:58]
pete_dushenski it's not binary, of course, just that we care ~more~ [16:59]
pete_dushenski this, then, in turn benefits the tenants, our tenants [16:59]
nubbins` on the whole, i disagree [16:59]
nubbins` i buy local not because i'm a landlord but because i'm not an idiot [16:59]
nubbins` most landlords spend all their money at big box stores [17:00]
nubbins` where maybe 5-10 cents of every dollar they spend stays in the community [17:00]
nubbins` MAYBE [17:00]
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nubbins` the rest goes to the waltons, or the irvings, or whomever [17:00]
nubbins` most landlords around here are more properly called slumlords [17:01]
nubbins` and they DGAF about their rentals [17:01]
nubbins` or their tenants [17:03]
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pete_dushenski mkay. so maybe in halifax, the banks are the warm huggy people who care and the local slumlords and the jerkoffs. what do i know. [17:05]
pete_dushenski << srs. [17:09]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 18:06:26; mircea_popescu: an inheritance was unremarkable. WAS. three centuries ago. [17:09]
pete_dushenski << in a sense, yes, those with sane and productive parents are indeed 'lottery winners', the key difference being that, unlike 6/49 winners, the 'lucky' kids have skills and blood-related mentors !!1 [17:10]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:06; nubbins`: unremarkable in the sense that any asshole can get a windfall [17:10]
nubbins` halifax sux [17:11]
pete_dushenski << the parents never owned anything. if you didn't pass it down, what the fuck did you do with it ? blow and hookerz ? [17:12]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 18:07:55; nubbins`: mircea_popescu lol my entire generation was spawned by people together enough to actually own something. and they're all fuckups [17:12]
nubbins` dude i'm 33, the parents are still living [17:12]
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pete_dushenski "boomer" parents fluked into a historical windfall ~themselves~, like y'know, actual lottery winners. that their kids didn't manage to hold onto a dime of it is par for the course. [17:13]
pete_dushenski show me the "boomer echo" kid whose great-grandparents actually owned something and i'll show you a kid who's doing well for himself today. [17:14]
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nubbins` my great-grandparents floated over on the Empress of Ireland and lived in a canvas tent in Banff for 5 years [17:17]
nubbins` before scrounging enough to build a more permanent home [17:18]
nubbins` lotta keefes in the ground out west [17:19]
nubbins` and i don't think there were many flukes or windfalls this far east [17:21]
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pete_dushenski definitely not as many windfalls in eastern canada as western canada, which is why obviously why some of our ancestors put up with the nightmarish cold and long winter nights :) [17:27]
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assbot Oh look, we’re back to “record” Chinese capital outflows | FT Alphaville ... ( ) [17:41]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [18:03]
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ascii_field << l0ltr0n1c [18:03]
assbot This War On Math Is Bullshit | TechCrunch ... ( ) [18:03]
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adlai bahaha [18:31]
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pete_dushenski @kav_p .@IBM Oh good gosh hack a hairdryer that'll make tech more easy for women to understand! Next time can we hack a delicious baked dinner? [19:01]
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pete_dushenski ^ i don't see how cooking well is an undesirable skill, but apparently i can't begin to comprehend 'women in tech' [19:01]
thestringpuller my desk mate is a woman in tech [19:04]
pete_dushenski does she abhor cooking ? [19:05]
thestringpuller yes [19:05]
pete_dushenski then she's perfect for the job ! [19:05]
thestringpuller I abhor cooking, only because I want immediate gratification when it comes to deliciousness. [19:05]
pete_dushenski " << airbnb now 'worth' $25 BEELEEON [19:06]
thestringpuller How the fuck. [19:06]
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thestringpuller ;;google " lets have fund with paul graham" [19:07]
gribble Let's have fun with Paul Graham on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: ; Ycombinator continues to suck, jointly and severally - Mircea Popescu: ; You know what gets no airplay ? Unflattering truth. on Trilema - A ...: [19:07]
* pete_dushenski recently tried using airbnb to look for apartments in cologne, germany, not only didn't find, but computer KERNEL PANICED just by using their cutting-edge website. fucking. twice. [19:07]
thestringpuller ^- guess the investors didn't do their reading [19:07]
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asciilifeform !up ascii_field [19:08]
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ascii_field pete_dushenski: 3xpl01t4bl3!1???111? [19:08]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: (do you have a crash dump or the like ?) [19:08]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: or investors read and still figures "hey, there's bigger chumps out there than me! i won't be the last one standing when the music stops! not this guy!" [19:09]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: << my experience with airbnb [19:09]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: funny how fiat investing has devolved into musical chairs for retards. [19:09]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: not at hand. [19:09]
ascii_field eh [19:09]
ascii_field pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole [19:10]
pete_dushenski "you're shitting on a goldmine, trebek! if you had a penis mighter, i'd order a dozen!" [19:10]
pete_dushenski "the category is 'the pen is mightier', mr. connery" [19:11]
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ascii_field tell it to the|rapist [19:11]
ascii_field l0l [19:11]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: i had excellent experiences with airbnb 2.5 years ago in croatia. seems like it's gone to pot since then. [19:11]
pete_dushenski ascii_field: :D [19:11]
* pete_dushenski does a mean connery impression [19:12]
pete_dushenski but mean as in good ! [19:12]
thestringpuller ^- cause canadian? [19:12]
thestringpuller jk [19:12]
pete_dushenski l0l cuz 'classical education' [19:13]
pete_dushenski ie. [19:13]
assbot The fruits of a classical education. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [19:13]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: thought about you the other day [19:14]
thestringpuller buddy told me that some cops confiscated a Nissan GTR from some local drug dealer [19:14]
thestringpuller and so the cops now have a GTR police car... [19:15]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller: pretty sure this is increasingly common in the states [19:16]
pete_dushenski iirc there was a newer corvette (c6?) that suffered a similar fate recently. [19:16]
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thestringpuller That's just sad. [19:16]
pete_dushenski but hey, if you can't actually afford the cars (a la dubai), how else ? [19:17]
thestringpuller I got pulled over going like 60, and the cop was like "I don't want to have to peel you off that guard rail" [19:17]
thestringpuller and I was like "D00d you must have failed physics. My car is built to go 80 in mud, and I've tuned it for such. Also this is a straight away" [19:17]
thestringpuller "I could easily write you a ticket for going 20 over" "Not without having clocked me. Good luck getting that through court." [19:18]
pete_dushenski [19:18]
assbot Dubai police cars include a McLaren, Lamborghini, Aston Martin, Bentley and Ferrari | Daily Mail Online ... ( ) [19:18]
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pete_dushenski thestringpuller: could've also answered, "i could easily shoot you in the stomach, wanna play chicken ?" [19:19]
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pete_dushenski o hey qntra is back. [19:21]
thestringpuller Our county doesn't want a dead nigga scandal. [19:21]
pete_dushenski ya, save that for obama ! [19:21]
thestringpuller Particularly unarmed dead nigga scandal. [19:21]
thestringpuller XD [19:21]
mircea_popescu in other news, [19:21]
thestringpuller #blacklivesmatter [19:21]
thestringpuller or whatever [19:21]
assbot The Bitlove LLC spin on their recent implosion, as presented to their captive audience. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [19:21]
kakobrekla so, bip65 will be active in a day or so now [19:27]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla does it matter ? [19:29]
thestringpuller apparently if client doesn't implement softfork miners can slip in invalid tx's that the client won't recognize... [19:32]
thestringpuller dunno how true this is tho... [19:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49150 @ 0.00048683 = 23.9277 BTC [+] {3} [19:33]
mircea_popescu so the client won't recognize them. what's the problem ? [19:33]
mircea_popescu you're not obligated to accept txn you don't want to accept. [19:33]
mircea_popescu "Note, however, that time-based locktime transactions are more or less unseen on the network currently." is the point of interest. currently, and permanently, nobody gives a shit about the entire bondogle eithger way. [19:35]
mircea_popescu "Implication for users: GetMedianTimePast() always trails behind the current time, so a transaction locktime set to the present time will be rejected by nodes running this release until the median time moves forward. To compensate, subtract one hour (3,600 seconds) from your locktimes to allow those transactions to be included in mempools at approximately the expected time." [19:35]
mircea_popescu translates to "and the dumb shit doesn't even work anyway" [19:35]
thestringpuller it never really did. the point of nlock was to hand a transaction over to someone in a "will" like form [19:36]
thestringpuller peter todd just really wanted the blockchain to enforce the time limit [19:37]
thestringpuller (since before it didn't write nlock tx's to blockchain. they would just sit in mempool) [19:37]
mircea_popescu whatever. you can put an arbitrary number in your txn anyway, and usg-time's never going to be anything but an arbitrary number. [19:38]
mircea_popescu but i lol at the sort of idiot who actually relies on THIS for their will. [19:38]
thestringpuller hence why it never really worked in the first place. [19:38]
mircea_popescu of course, they exist about in the numbers "ethereum investors" exist, which is to say purely in the feverish imagination of various "hacker" derps [19:38]
thestringpuller "ethereum investors" now reads as M$ to me. since my boss just showed me a beta to use eth on Azure...which makes no sense. [19:39]
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thestringpuller pete_dushenski: do you have literature on the yoga you do for the computer? [19:41]
trinque ^ along these lines, a standing desk also helps quite a bit. [19:43]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: looks like a good start [19:45]
assbot Yoga for the Office: Practice While You're at Work ... ( ) [19:45]
pete_dushenski i've actually been out of practice since fatherhood started, was doing a lunch-time session once a week aimed specifically at office/computer jockeys [19:46]
pete_dushenski aaaand nov 20 was the last time we cracked 1000 lines in a day. [19:51]
pete_dushenski i blame the lack of nubbins` ! [19:51]
mircea_popescu lol [19:52]
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trinque << I've pulled the whole set again (including Nov), bundle out shortly. [19:59]
assbot Logged on 06-12-2015 20:00:47; phf: kakobrekla: phf logs fixed re tabs and newlines << cool everything parses clean now [19:59]
mircea_popescu << notrly. all things being equal, it's much better for kids to grow up in squalour than in "reasonable" conditions. [20:05]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:22:23; nubbins`: "but won't kids born to addict parents be fucked from the start and stay that way their whole lives?" yep [20:05]
mircea_popescu as you say, look at the shit the boomers spawned. [20:05]
mircea_popescu << all, preferably. [20:06]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:42; ascii_field: the little trick is that when you're throwing away people, it helps to make sure that all or most of them actually are garbage [20:06]
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mircea_popescu << this is a very naive view of price formation. if mere prohibition worked all the usg'd have to do to save the dollar would be to forbid people from owning it. [20:10]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:24:44; trinque: prohibition drives the price through the roof, which allows the whole thing to sustain itself. [20:10]
mircea_popescu notwithstanding that it's doing exactly that, and in point of fact for a reason very similar to your thinking, nevertheless it has obviously no prayer in hell of working. it's not even wrong, it;s unrelated. [20:11]
mircea_popescu drugs were also verboten in communist romania - they didnt' have a price there. you'd have died of hunger with a brick of pure cocaine. [20:12]
mircea_popescu <<< certainly not better, hardly safer. it'd be a pretty bleak feudal crapsack with average lifespans in the 30s and unwilling slave women. [20:13]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:25:23; nubbins`: trinque if there were no drug prohibition, the world would be a better, safer place [20:13]
mircea_popescu of course, the concept of "average" lifespan wouldn't make any intuitive sense, wut do you mean "average". [20:14]
trinque how about prohibition of a product that sells itself? [20:14]
mircea_popescu what does this mean ? [20:14]
trinque in the conversation linked, nubbins was discussing the newfie coke heads. seems like quite a task to stop the massive demand there. [20:15]
trinque meanwhile prohibiting the product limits and complicates the supply [20:16]
mircea_popescu that may be. but consider the situatuon of real estate. is "housing" a product that "sells itself" ? [20:16]
mircea_popescu what is the principal driver of price in real estate ? [20:16]
mircea_popescu (here's a hint : imbecile argentines imagine a tiny 1000 sqft apt is worth 150-200k usd, in their shit town. why ? why, because the government's been printing money, and people kept "investing" it, there's about two to five trillion pesos that have to be wiped out of the economy before it can return to working) [20:17]
trinque this is what confounds a simple answer to your question. [20:17]
mircea_popescu the cost of the blowjob, and of the gram, and of the bed are not a function of how forbidden it is. [20:17]
mircea_popescu they're a functrion of how much money ios sloshing around. [20:18]
mircea_popescu approach it from the other angle, the demand elasticity. take cokehead with $1000 income and a $1000 drug habit. [20:18]
mircea_popescu suppose his income doubles to $2000. is he now going to... save $1000 ? [20:19]
deedbot- [Trilema] Further views from Noesunpaispobre - [20:19]
trinque certainly not [20:19]
mircea_popescu << it's a good proxy for poverty. which is criminal, fundamentally and essentially criminal. there is no crime that doesn't both spawn from and reduces to "being poor". [20:19]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:26:23; nubbins`: treating drug abuse as crime is maybe the dumbest thing i can think of at the moment [20:19]
mircea_popescu so my point is, to sum it up : that the prohibition of the drug trade has nothing to do with economics. it is a purely political choice, of trying to enact equality between the poor and the rest. this desperate, doomed nonsense may be ineffectual, painful, difficult, costly or what else have you, boring, whatever. it is nevertheless the ONLY thing that keeps the average lifespan of the not-us from being ~24 ; and the f [20:22]
mircea_popescu ate of any female aged ~14 with decent tits and a little bit of length of bone from being forcibly injected. [20:22]
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mircea_popescu the choices you have before you are the choices you have before you, not the choices you wish to have before you. [20:22]
mircea_popescu if drugs aren't illegal walmart is going to force-feed its workforce meth and go through 10x as many poor people. [20:23]
mircea_popescu perhaps even feed the employees the previous employees. god knows they did it to the cows, and only stopped because WE complained. not because the cows complained. [20:23]
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mircea_popescu for all they cared, cow can sit in shit up to the belly and get more antibiotics. [20:23]
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mircea_popescu and i'm going to ride through detroit atop a tank and shoot tranquilizer guns at anything that can twerk. [20:24]
trinque ahaha [20:25]
trinque and so the price is because, simply, they will pay it, as the product causes them to compulsively go after the product [20:25]
mircea_popescu pretty much. [20:26]
mircea_popescu they have it, see ? [20:26]
mircea_popescu what's the cost of a blowjob to the miner with a sackful of gold dust ? [20:26]
* trinque ought to have considered the effectiveness of prohibition, and not simply the idea of it. [20:27]
mircea_popescu figure it out, old whore de kirschner and her dumbass puddel scioli figured they'd stay in power on the votes of the poor. the very same fducking poor they prevented from having a life. and it blew up. if only they had meth and heroin on their side! [20:27]
mircea_popescu this country is roughly in the situation of the us cca 1815, with one major difference : buenos aires is their new york, yes, the port. but in argentina, 20 of 40 mn live in the port. that's half. in the us, less than 5% lived in the port. the rest went the fuck to ohio and built a farm. [20:28]
mircea_popescu but no, they want them here, living in bidonvilles "en la capital", so they keep voting peronistas in exchange for a little flour, so the peronistas can go to europe and borrow "to develop argentina" and then spend to... fuck up argentina. [20:29]
mircea_popescu obama won, on the same ticket. what if instead of "obamacare" they could have peddled "free heroin!!1 these mean people want to take it away!" [20:29]
mircea_popescu << ironically, macri intends to pay. [20:30]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 17:33:37; pete_dushenski: "There's about €3bn of London Club debt "trading" at 15 cents of par last time I checked. If you find Argentine bonds just not exotic enough" << everyone's an investor eh. p2p lending is da footoor ! [20:30]
trinque I see. My line of thinking was that "this expediates the decay of those already rotting, and so what?" [20:31]
mircea_popescu that may be the hit of the century, guys bought the shit at 1.5 cents to the dollar, may well see full repayment a decade later. [20:31]
mircea_popescu trinque leaves no one no way out, either. [20:31]
mircea_popescu << money. what do you have to show for it ? [20:34]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 19:52:37; nubbins`: put another way, let's say you rent for a year. at the end of the year, what do you have to show for it? [20:34]
mircea_popescu (pro tip : bills.) [20:34]
mircea_popescu and if you want actual numbers, i just got a coupla girlies an apt. the sale value would have been i guess 160-170k or so. the monthly rent is 750. the first month, the washing machine went, and the owner replaced it. the next month, ac went (brother was that an incredible pos job wow), owner replaced it. so far owner's been making 0 from his property. [20:37]
mircea_popescu on the other hand, if i were a fucktarded argentine borrowing for this, i'd owe ~2.5mn peso principal + 300k or so a year interest + whatever you figure the devaluation risk costs me. over a 30 year period (heh, you gonna work for 30 years ? srsly ?) this comes to at the very least 40k a month. that's just about 2750 dollars. [20:38]
mircea_popescu so at the end of each month i got a coupla grand to show for not having been an idiot ; the owner's got some bills. [20:39]
mircea_popescu altenratively, if i were a fucktarded bitcoin owner i could have sold no less than 500 btc to pay for it. and in 30 years i'd have a great story about how i sold enough btc to buy nevada to get an apartment in a third world city. [20:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30850 @ 0.00047736 = 14.7266 BTC [-] {2} [20:41]
mircea_popescu and don't tell me "it ain't like that where i live". obviously it ain't, and you're an idiot for living there in the first place. [20:41]
mircea_popescu for this reason. the fundamental incentive to living anywhere is whether you can stick it to the middle class through this mechanism or not. if you can't, they can stew in their own juices and play mahjong or whatever the fuck they play, bingo. [20:42]
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mircea_popescu << "could" they buy all of china yet ? [20:49]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 22:04:45; thestringpuller: How the fuck. [20:49]
mircea_popescu << i thought they can't be sold :D [20:50]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 22:07:52; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: ya could be sitting on a $100k mac anal hole [20:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27025 @ 0.00048304 = 13.0542 BTC [+] [20:55]
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BingoBoingo << Verily, because if not monetarily poor can afford rehab. Otherwise not poor of spirit/will can rehab before criminal justice system discovers other poverty. [20:57]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 23:17:44; mircea_popescu: << it's a good proxy for poverty. which is criminal, fundamentally and essentially criminal. there is no crime that doesn't both spawn from and reduces to "being poor". [20:57]
mircea_popescu also because plutonium. [20:57]
mircea_popescu but in other news, [20:58]
assbot ... ( ) [20:58]
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mircea_popescu !up ascii_field [20:59]
-assbot- You voiced ascii_field for 30 minutes. [20:59]
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ascii_field << can be but you gotta be l337 [21:00]
assbot Logged on 07-12-2015 23:48:28; mircea_popescu: << i thought they can't be sold :D [21:00]
ascii_field (quite likely some of the folks here- could.) [21:01]
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assbot Update: Crowder students being released, Neosho campus to remain closed - Joplin Globe: News ... ( ) [21:02]
BingoBoingo Fucking Neosho Missouri of all places no one needs to know existed [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.0004869 = 2.6536 BTC [+] {2} [21:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52726 @ 0.0004872 = 25.6881 BTC [+] {3} [22:26]
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mircea_popescu wha happemned ? [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33505 @ 0.00048671 = 16.3072 BTC [-] {3} [22:45]
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