Forum logs for 07 Dec 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [09:15]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://polimedia.us/mpex || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades || Net Chart: http://bit.ly/RPclBi [09:15]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Thu Nov 8 15:00:02 2012 [09:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00052276 = 0.7841 BTC [-] [09:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00052935 = 4.076 BTC [+] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00052939 = 7.3585 BTC [+] [09:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 321 @ 0.00052276 = 0.1678 BTC [-] [09:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2479 @ 0.00051343 = 1.2728 BTC [-] [09:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 440 @ 0.00335242 = 1.4751 BTC [+] [09:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1842 @ 0.00051343 = 0.9457 BTC [-] [09:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20732 @ 0.00051325 = 10.6407 BTC [-] [09:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4150 @ 0.00052923 = 2.1963 BTC [+] [10:03]
Diablo-D3 man [10:04]
Diablo-D3 I should get some sort of award manufactured [10:04]
Diablo-D3 some sort of giant gold plated popped popcorn kernel [10:04]
Ukto ? [10:05]
Diablo-D3 so I can hand it to BFL [10:05]
Ukto whut they do now ? [10:05]
Diablo-D3 not ship. [10:05]
Diablo-D3 and lie. [10:05]
Diablo-D3 and then not ship again [10:05]
Diablo-D3 and then more lying [10:05]
Diablo-D3 and then lying about the lying [10:05]
Ukto wasnt that last time too? [10:05]
Diablo-D3 and then not shipping again [10:05]
Diablo-D3 and lying about the continued state of lying and shippingness [10:05]
Ukto lol [10:05]
Ukto u sound mad :P [10:06]
Ukto not sure why. as if they lied.. and didnt ship [10:06]
Ukto :P [10:06]
Diablo-D3 oh Im not mad [10:06]
Diablo-D3 infact I find the whole thing hilarious [10:06]
Diablo-D3 I told people not to buy from BFL [10:06]
Diablo-D3 Im the only voice of reason most of the time [10:06]
Diablo-D3 people ignored me [10:06]
Diablo-D3 so all I get to do is laugh [10:07]
Ukto hehe [10:08]
Ukto i couldnt make the kidna risk that bfl required [10:09]
Ukto ?? timeframe [10:09]
Ukto to ??? get your product [10:09]
Namjies Arf [10:11]
Namjies Making manual payments to BTC-BOND/KRAKEN holders for the last weeks and repurchase. [10:12]
Namjies Damn. [10:12]
Namjies Got to send them a customized email stating from which address I sent it so they know it's from me and for what since GLBSE payout address is shared. [10:13]
Namjies As well as remove them from the mailing list and update spreadsheets. [10:13]
Namjies On top of calculating what to pay to each of them. [10:14]
Ukto yeah [10:14]
Ukto thats why a claim system is nicer [10:14]
Ukto even if your shutting down [10:14]
Namjies Major pain and error prone. [10:14]
Namjies It's not too bad either. [10:14]
Ukto >,> .. just being honest, not necessarily plugging [10:14]
Namjies I use a spreadsheet to track claims against the list. Once people confirm, I consider shares claimed. [10:15]
Ukto great thing about the claim system, is when you pay divvies, it pays them out to holders, and to claims pending [10:15]
Ukto so you dont have to track divs for unclaimed shares [10:16]
Ukto but you can go in and update/change it at any time [10:16]
Ukto "manage" the claims even [10:16]
Namjies A bit too late for that. [10:16]
Ukto so if you buy someone out, you can just mark a claim as claimed and close it [10:16]
* Ukto shrugs, just saying :) [10:17]
Ukto if I can help someone out, thats the idea. off of something thats just being shut down I dont make anything. [10:18]
Ukto Would just rather see the site be usefull in someway to someone [10:18]
Namjies I only hope one thing... that google drive doesn't fail me and lose the spreadsheets [10:18]
Ukto shouldnt.. backup just in case [10:18]
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Namjies I'd have to track back all paid out people from payments I sent out. [10:19]
Namjies I already have google drive program backing to my PC. [10:19]
Namjies Should be fine and at worst, I can see all the payments in the blockchain sent from my personal address. [10:20]
Ukto just keep a copy iand you wont have to worry abou tit [10:21]
Namjies Too much work, I'd have to make a copy whenever I update the spreadsheets. [10:21]
Namjies There's already the payment sent out on the blockchain as fallback data. [10:22]
Namjies My BTC address and GLBSE associated address are easy to check for transactions. [10:22]
Diablo-D3 >google drive [10:23]
Diablo-D3 >fail [10:23]
Diablo-D3 quat? [10:23]
Namjies You never know when the 1 every 10 year total failure in a Google service might occur. [10:25]
Namjies But yes, unlikely. [10:25]
Diablo-D3 Namjies: no, [10:26]
Diablo-D3 it fails all the time [10:26]
Diablo-D3 they just have content on multiple continents concurrently [10:26]
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Namjies If the redundancy works, it's not a failure... [10:28]
Namjies Which is the whole point of redundant systems... [10:28]
Diablo-D3 you missed the point [10:30]
Namjies Which is? [10:30]
Diablo-D3 failures happen all the time, its how they ahndles it that matters [10:30]
Namjies Yes, failure of specific hardware. But the system as a whole keeps functioning and as such didn't fail. [10:31]
Namjies Well damn. A good chunk done. [10:37]
Ukto nite [10:37]
Diablo-D3 anyhow so [10:38]
Diablo-D3 I now have two lists for DMC [10:38]
Diablo-D3 I should write a perl script to process these [10:38]
Diablo-D3 but the whole thing of opening an editor just to put like 3 lines in it? meh [10:38]
Namjies I just copy-paste address, email, shares [10:39]
Namjies into my spreadsheet [10:39]
Diablo-D3 yeah, fuck spreadsheets [10:39]
Diablo-D3 I just wanna see the accuracy of his statements [10:40]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 171 @ 0.00052923 = 0.0905 BTC [+] [10:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00052939 = 2.3558 BTC [+] [10:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7607 @ 0.00052942 = 4.0273 BTC [+] [10:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4008 @ 0.00052943 = 2.122 BTC [+] [10:58]
mircea_popescu and lying about the continued state of lying and shippingness <<< theyre the bitcoin flagship corp, neh ? [11:02]
mircea_popescu Namjies having fun i see. [11:03]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: something like that [11:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9843 @ 0.00052951 = 5.212 BTC [+] [11:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1363 @ 0.00335242 = 4.5693 BTC [+] [11:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2487 @ 0.00335868 = 8.353 BTC [+] [11:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3257 @ 0.00052951 = 1.7246 BTC [+] [11:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29843 @ 0.00052955 = 15.8034 BTC [+] [11:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051642 = 2.2315 BTC [-] [11:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16179 @ 0.00051629 = 8.3531 BTC [-] [11:51]
mircea_popescu btw, everyone knows http://oeis.org/ ? [12:07]
mircea_popescu database of integer sequences [12:07]
Diablo-D3 yeah what about it [12:07]
mircea_popescu juuust sayin. [12:08]
dub why for? [12:12]
mircea_popescu for i got lost reading in there for about an hour, that' for! [12:13]
dub oh [12:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00051638 = 2.2313 BTC [+] [12:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052931 = 2.2871 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2907 @ 0.00052955 = 1.5394 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8925 @ 0.0005298 = 4.7285 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00052988 = 15.8964 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18400 @ 0.00052989 = 9.75 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00053009 = 15.1606 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28100 @ 0.0005301 = 14.8958 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00053013 = 9.8074 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00053022 = 5.7794 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20388 @ 0.00053023 = 10.8103 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19450 @ 0.00053027 = 10.3138 BTC [+] [12:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17831 @ 0.00053033 = 9.4563 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2600 @ 0.00053052 = 1.3794 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27900 @ 0.00053053 = 14.8018 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14100 @ 0.00053062 = 7.4817 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00053078 = 2.6539 BTC [+] [12:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29556 @ 0.00053087 = 15.6904 BTC [+] [12:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31459 @ 0.00053102 = 16.7054 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00053118 = 6.5112 BTC [+] [12:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00053127 = 4.6752 BTC [+] [12:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46588 @ 0.00053134 = 24.7541 BTC [+] [12:19]
Diablo-D3 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07/japan-earthquake-2012_n_2255699.html [12:22]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.16798544 = 167.9854 BTC [-] [12:24]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1000 @ 0.13806513 = 138.0651 BTC [+] [12:25]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1000 @ 0.10442777 = 104.4278 BTC [+] [12:25]
mircea_popescu what, the peak is in ?! [12:29]
Namjies No idea but that seems like a bad move to me [12:29]
mircea_popescu possibly. [12:30]
mircea_popescu if it ends up over 16 those c140t lose money for sure. [12:31]
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Diablo-D3 http://imgur.com/r/WTF/f4DMU [13:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10529 @ 0.000527 = 5.5488 BTC [-] [13:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052724 = 2.2782 BTC [+] [13:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13979 @ 0.000527 = 7.3669 BTC [-] [13:17]
Diablo-D3 http://www.reddit.com/r/Im14andthisisWTF/?count=25&after=t3_13s6oy [13:32]
Diablo-D3 er [13:32]
Diablo-D3 wrong ur [13:32]
Diablo-D3 http://i.imgur.com/rzIzI.jpg [13:32]
Diablo-D3 I found mircea_popescu's mouse [13:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.000527 = 1.1594 BTC [-] [13:40]
mircea_popescu lmao [13:44]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4629 @ 0.00053134 = 2.4596 BTC [+] [13:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2467 @ 0.000527 = 1.3001 BTC [-] [14:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00053125 = 1.4344 BTC [+] [14:59]
EskimoBob Diablo-D3: now he knows where the clit is ... lol [15:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1621 @ 0.00053125 = 0.8612 BTC [+] [15:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3283 @ 0.00053134 = 1.7444 BTC [+] [15:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10000 @ 0.00053142 = 5.3142 BTC [+] [15:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6846 @ 0.00053173 = 3.6402 BTC [+] [15:01]
EskimoBob I was reading this drama "F.GIGA.ETF to be delisted on December 1st, 2012". mircea_popescu, looks like you pulled a glbse trick on your clients. [15:02]
EskimoBob mircea_popescu: how does it feel to mimic your greatest "enemy" :) [15:03]
Diablo-D3 HE CANT HEAR YOU OVER HOW BLOATED HIS WALLET IS [15:04]
EskimoBob wallet? I think it's his head, that's bloated. [15:05]
EskimoBob here we go: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129544.0 [15:10]
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PsychoticBoy Good afternoon [17:19]
Rothgar good evening [17:20]
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jurov morning [17:35]
kakobrekla moaning [17:35]
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PsychoticBoy JWU42, how do you compensate shareholders, buyback at 0.06 is reasonable [17:52]
PsychoticBoy or is that shitty I dont want to pay back shareholders idea comming from your scammy partners [17:53]
PsychoticBoy hashking and harnett, both Massive SCAMMERS [17:54]
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jcpham PsychoticBoy: JWU42 contacted me to remind me of my shares [17:54]
PsychoticBoy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75867.msg1384557#msg1384557 [17:54]
PsychoticBoy he also contacted me [17:54]
PsychoticBoy but never said anything abot buyback or dividend which both must be paid [17:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4442 @ 0.00053016 = 2.355 BTC [-] [17:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24621 @ 0.0005286 = 13.0147 BTC [-] [17:57]
PsychoticBoy I got the idea that most BIG glbse players such as YABMC (JWU42 and scammy friends) and GIGAMINING (gigavps) do not intent to pay [17:57]
PsychoticBoy and they were the ones cashing in big time, our money [17:58]
jcpham it's pretty easy to point at other people and call them scammers after you give them your bitcoins [17:59]
jcpham i've noticed this [17:59]
jcpham resolving the matter privately, amicably; that's difficult [18:00]
PsychoticBoy I own 3 companies on GLBSE [18:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 279 @ 0.0005286 = 0.1475 BTC [-] [18:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6250 @ 0.00052717 = 3.2948 BTC [-] [18:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21965 @ 0.000527 = 11.5756 BTC [-] [18:01]
PsychoticBoy 2 are continuing on another exchange and 1 has a good buyback so....... this is not difficult to deal with [18:01]
EskimoBob so, gigavps has earned his scammer tag finally? [18:10]
gigavps lol [18:11]
jcpham damn giga you scammin still? [18:11]
Azelphur gigascammer, one billion scams :p [18:11]
jcpham gigavps these gpus I bought a year ago were not as described [18:12]
jcpham i need a refund [18:12]
gigavps no problem jcpham, talk with my lawyer [18:12]
jcpham ugh [18:12]
jcpham we aren't friends anymore [18:12]
jcpham stop talking to me [18:12]
EskimoBob who is your lawyer? What's his name? [18:12]
gigavps EskimoBob, for someone who is on the internet a lot, you sure have trouble finding information [18:13]
EskimoBob what's your name? Mister "all so fkn legal" now [18:13]
EskimoBob gigavps: is it possible, that I have better thing to do? [18:13]
jcpham I know his names [18:13]
gigavps guess not, your sitting here talking with me [18:13]
jcpham 10btc [18:13]
EskimoBob than dox your hairy scammer ass... [18:13]
EskimoBob LOL [18:13]
jcpham 10btc I spill all the beans [18:13]
gigavps it's not hard to dox me [18:14]
jcpham I'll tell you what I know about trendon too [18:14]
jcpham and azelphur [18:14]
jcpham he's a cohort [18:14]
EskimoBob looks like mircea has pulled a "glbse" on his super duper exchange and fucked all the pt holders [18:14]
EskimoBob was'nt he establishing some type of a court or some other shit for justice? [18:15]
jcpham yep [18:16]
EskimoBob can he be the first client of his own court? LOL [18:16]
jcpham and i'm the guy [18:16]
EskimoBob what guy? [18:16]
jcpham i'm judge number 1 [18:16]
EskimoBob so you are scammer too? [18:16]
jcpham so let's all be nice [18:16]
jurov what "glbse"? weren't you warned well in advance? [18:16]
Ukto ohai EskimoBob :P [18:17]
EskimoBob fuck your toy court and every ass hat judge there :) LOL [18:17]
Ukto I saw your posts on the forums (just recently started looking at them) and knew I recognized it [18:17]
EskimoBob Ukto: hola Ukto [18:17]
gigavps EskimoBob has a special language he uses when posting on the forums [18:18]
EskimoBob what post? the left one or the one on the right side? [18:18]
Ukto any of them lol [18:18]
jcpham you can call me an asshat, but calling it a toy-court and implting that i'm not impartial is incorrect [18:18]
jcpham you should know your place EskimoBob [18:18]
gigavps it's a mix between angry and incoherent [18:18]
Ukto the mods whitelisted me.. but I still cant post for some reason. lol [18:18]
pigeons respect my authorital! [18:18]
Ukto I can pm ppl at least [18:18]
EskimoBob jcpham: know my place? LOL [18:18]
EskimoBob look who's talking [18:18]
Ukto EskimoBob: you know where you live? [18:18]
Ukto :P [18:18]
jcpham hugs [18:19]
* Ukto hands EskimoBob an igloo [18:19]
EskimoBob yes I do know where I live [18:19]
Ukto then you know your place? :P [18:19]
EskimoBob the land of snow and ice [18:19]
jcpham i know my place well [18:19]
* Ukto knows his. [18:19]
* Ukto points to teh forums. NOT THERE [18:19]
Ukto :P [18:19]
EskimoBob so how is this toy court going to work? [18:20]
jcpham fuck if i know [18:20]
jcpham i imagine with mircea_popescu though stripper will be involvewd [18:20]
Ukto ROFLOL [18:21]
Ukto man [18:21]
Ukto thats 2 diff ppl making an MP + stripper reference around me in 24hrs [18:21]
EskimoBob so it's just another virtual circle jerk? [18:21]
EskimoBob Ukto: you see, mircea is old and ugly and only way he gets any is if he pays [18:21]
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EskimoBob forget the old part [18:22]
jcpham you see, I don't know, so I'm just joking around [18:22]
jcpham like i don't have some fucking attitude problem [18:22]
jcpham like other people [18:22]
EskimoBob hwo do you know that? [18:22]
EskimoBob how* [18:22]
jcpham i hope you die [18:22]
Ukto although, I was reading hte post guruvan vs mpoe-pr... reeses made a point that if a normal stock was delisted, its value is generally trashed for the reason it was delisted.. but in this case.. the stock/s were not "delisted" for reasons of financial stability.. thus, if a stock like AAPL (exmaple) were delistd due to the xchange shutting down, it still has value, right? [18:22]
EskimoBob you see, you do have a problem :) [18:22]
jcpham i didn't [18:23]
jcpham :) [18:23]
* Ukto gives outt rainbows and hugs :P [18:23]
jcpham i saw a triple rainbow [18:23]
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pigeons why do birds suddenly appear, evertime you are near [18:23]
EskimoBob triple? damn I have seen this only once [18:24]
jurov if f.giga.etf is supposed to have some value, why nobody asked mircea to arrange buyback on december 1st? [18:24]
jcpham https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/381684_3379379022419_161806938_n.jpg [18:24]
pigeons well namjies did [18:24]
jcpham go home rainbow, you are drunk [18:25]
Ukto jurov: as of now, MP is of the opionion it has no value [18:25]
Ukto since it was delisted [18:25]
Ukto regardless of the reason for delisting [18:25]
jcpham what exactly was f.giga.etf [18:25]
Ukto and he doesnt believe he should have to submit his claim to gigavps, thus will not [18:25]
Ukto was apassthrough [18:25]
jcpham who was the asset issuer, step one [18:25]
Ukto of giga from GLBSE [18:25]
Ukto by MP [18:25]
EskimoBob delisted usually never equals "no value" [18:25]
Ukto he bought shares of giga from giga direct? or on glbse [18:26]
Ukto and re-posted them on Mpex [18:26]
jcpham so MP was the asset issuer of f.giga.etf [18:26]
Ukto as re-issuer [18:26]
Ukto yes [18:26]
jcpham and what was the function of it [18:26]
pigeons passthrough [18:26]
jcpham to glbse? [18:26]
pigeons yes [18:26]
EskimoBob sold this shit to others and now tells everyone, it has no value (and deletes the security) :) [18:26]
jcpham WTF [18:26]
EskimoBob hold on, i have seen this before! GLBSE! [18:26]
Ukto yeah [18:26]
jcpham you guys are all scandalous [18:26]
Ukto LOL [18:26]
Ukto not me [18:26]
EskimoBob no me [18:27]
Ukto I have only stated non scanalous things [18:27]
Ukto and made comments [18:27]
Ukto that MIGHT be [18:27]
Ukto :P [18:27]
EskimoBob me too [18:27]
EskimoBob only facts [18:27]
Ukto I am just trying to est. real world happenings vs "financially uneducated" as "mpoe-pr" is calling everyone [18:28]
EskimoBob mpoe-pr is lunatic and a spammer [18:28]
jcpham i like her boobs [18:28]
Ukto A. MP/OE states that stocks were delisted from glbse, and therefore worthless. Thats the real financial market. However, if NYSE shuts down, MSFT shares are not worthless. [18:28]
Ukto B. Acting as a passthrough for shares to giga, means to buy/sell, and claim when need be. [18:29]
EskimoBob Ukto: she is a not as smatr as she thinks. [18:29]
Ukto though I guess no where MP laid out any responsibilities to do such [18:29]
jcpham well it seems to me that f.giga.etf totally depends on data from glbse [18:29]
jcpham measured, tracked, statistical data [18:29]
EskimoBob ans she has some serious attitude problems. She ws involved in some spamming scams etc [18:29]
Ukto so it oculd fall on the shareholders shoulders for not requiring a "detailed contract" from MP of responsibilities [18:29]
jcpham which doesn't exist or may not [18:29]
Ukto gigavps: was your asset backed by hardware ? [18:30]
Ukto i could look it up but I think your here :P [18:30]
pigeons well it was backed by hashes [18:30]
Ukto pigeons: some ppl say that worst case scenario the would sell hardware to take care of shareholders, since thats where the btc was spent [18:31]
pigeons the contract was you get the proceeds of 5 mhash per share [18:31]
pigeons and he intends to continue despite being glbsed [18:31]
Ukto giga? [18:31]
pigeons yes [18:31]
Ukto i thoguht he was just closing ? [18:31]
pigeons no [18:31]
pigeons not closing [18:32]
* Ukto pokes gigavps in the eye [18:32]
Ukto then [18:32]
Ukto that means that the claims woudl earn the passthrough fund dividends [18:32]
Ukto to claim [18:32]
Ukto and continue on [18:32]
Ukto and regardless of glbse going down [18:32]
pigeons correct [18:32]
Ukto those share values on the passthrough should remain [18:32]
Ukto and remain tradeable [18:32]
Ukto (my opinion) [18:32]
Ukto but [18:33]
Ukto giga has to actually do his part [18:33]
pigeons well mircea_popescu claims that "he always stated" that he intended the passthrough to be zero work/maintenance [18:33]
Ukto and MP has to do his part on behalf of the PT [18:33]
jcpham i see everything you guys are saying but isn't it a huge pain in the ass for MP to operate his etf without any information [18:33]
jcpham forthwith [18:33]
jcpham might as well just pause it or shut it down entirely [18:33]
pigeons MP did shut the passthrough down entirely [18:33]
Ukto jcpham: my view, is that as long as the shares receive dividends, and he can distribute those to the share holders on the mpex list, then its full tradeable w/ value on mpex. no information on GLBSE is required to operate/maintain the passthrough fund. price at glbse does not matter, since it trades at its ownprice on MPEX. [18:34]
Ukto so neither market value, depth, or histroy on GLBSE have anything to do with an asset on MPEX [18:35]
Ukto right? [18:35]
pigeons nope [18:35]
Ukto unless I missed something [18:35]
jcpham ic i think [18:35]
Ukto and if gigia is just paying out divs [18:35]
pigeons with glbse gone MP doesnt get the dividends to pass through anymore [18:35]
Ukto pigeons: but he plans to pay out the divs, to those who claim [18:35]
Ukto as if GLBSE was still in place [18:35]
Ukto right? [18:35]
pigeons giga does, MP does not plan to claim [18:36]
jcpham i don't like this idea of a passthrough [18:36]
Ukto jcpham: agreed [18:36]
jcpham i never participated in anything like it [18:36]
pigeons MP says that making claims was not part of the deal [18:36]
jcpham and i don't like it [18:36]
Ukto it put responsibility on MP [18:36]
Ukto pigeons: i have not seen the contract, i dont think. but he may be partially correct [18:36]
pigeons it wasn't mentioned [18:36]
Ukto if MP never promised to 'care for' the the passthrough [18:36]
Ukto "it is what it is, good luck" type of thing [18:37]
* Ukto shrugs [18:37]
jcpham and that is what it seems to me [18:37]
pigeons he did make public statements that he would not do any further work other than paying dividends [18:37]
jcpham it is what it is [18:37]
Ukto thats the investors fault I think [18:37]
pigeons yes in the end, its gone [18:37]
Ukto for trusting MP to do what they think is the right hting [18:37]
Ukto without a written out obligation [18:37]
Ukto pigeons: he removed all records of the asset from accounts though, is my udnerstanding [18:38]
Ukto how could he payout divs? [18:38]
pigeons i mean before the glbse closure [18:38]
Ukto ah [18:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11760 @ 0.00053173 = 6.2531 BTC [+] [18:39]
Ukto yeah, he suggested I do a passthough of mpex on Bitfunder.. i think I will def. avoid it now [18:39]
Ukto jsut because I dont want to end up in a similar situation [18:39]
Ukto not that I would have a hard time spending a little effort to make shareholders "Customer" happy [18:39]
Ukto even if its ot required [18:39]
Ukto i think more effort would go into fighting it anyways [18:40]
pigeons yeah i figured originally i would have an easier time getting GIGA divdends from MP than from nefario if GLBSE went south, and I was wrong, but oh well [18:40]
pigeons about a month ago MP made it clear this is what would happen and so i sold the rest [18:40]
Ukto regardless, just because he may not feel, because it is not written down, that he has an obligation to the shareholders to "try" to take care of them, does not mean that people do not have the right to issue a scammer tag, for not "Trying", since he did not explicitly write that he woudl NOT adminitrate the account beyhond divs. (unless he did?) [18:42]
Ukto *ignore mass mispells [18:43]
pigeons boring [18:43]
Ukto yes. yes I am [18:43]
Ukto :P [18:43]
pigeons ;) [18:43]
* Ukto gets EskimoBob back for an igloo dance [18:44]
pigeons no the subject :) [18:44]
Ukto btw, anyone had contact with tcatm in the last 12 weeks he dissapeared from irc? [18:44]
Ukto I tried emailing him a few times, and no response et all :/ [18:44]
Ukto new topic.. hmm [18:46]
Ukto oh pigeons: while we are such an upbeat news for asset exchanges.. [18:47]
Ukto any thoughts for bitfunder? :P [18:47]
Ukto Other than "please dont screw the customers" ? [18:47]
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EskimoBob talked to nefario. Some retard is calling him every day and is leaving really ugly messages to his voice mail. Who ever you are, you are not helping at all. Damn fuckwits [18:51]
pigeons no i dont have a lot of thoughts right now [18:51]
pigeons hahah i would have thought it was you Bob [18:51]
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Ukto EskimoBob: LOL [18:53]
Ukto prolly that kid from china [18:53]
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PsychoticBoy so dick shaped ppl hows life [19:18]
PsychoticBoy I am also going to rent a ¨WALL¨ around me :D hehe seems to work [19:19]
jcpham super swell [19:19]
PsychoticBoy jolly good [19:20]
PsychoticBoy Ukto, how it stands, for now, ppl would like to see me move to bitfunder [19:21]
kakobrekla is it live yet? [19:21]
Ukto yes [19:21]
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* Ukto is about to put up some first json API scripts [19:22]
Ukto been going back and fourth on a final decision on microtime [19:22]
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Ukto hehe thanks kako :) [19:23]
kakobrekla np [19:23]
kakobrekla what about microtime [19:24]
Ukto though i never saw the habelockinvestments.com url before since it goes off of my window lol [19:24]
Ukto i have an AI field for the trades that has no particular purpose since the system uses its own trade txn id. was debating using that [19:24]
Ukto but one of my biggest security bugs, is I don't like giving any information that cold tie anything directly from the outside world to the db [19:25]
Ukto well, the id is used internally to reference the txn id [19:25]
kakobrekla this is for tweet uniqification? [19:25]
Ukto not "bugs" but, things that bug me [19:25]
Ukto lol [19:25]
Ukto yeah, tweet/json trades [19:25]
Ukto as a uniqe counter [19:25]
Ukto think I will just put a microtime field on [19:26]
Ukto so time+microtime [19:26]
kakobrekla well, if its a 'counter' than just ++ [19:26]
Ukto for security reasons, I just dont feel like showing those numbers to the public hehe [19:26]
EskimoBob "pigeons | hahah i would have thought it was you Bob " - LOL :) I do not do crap like that. [19:26]
Ukto then again, if someone has the time/microtime, it wouldnt be hard to locate the record anyways in teh table if that was the point [19:26]
Ukto just my design musings outloud. :) [19:27]
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mircea_popescu EskimoBob yer talkin nonsense. [20:16]
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mircea_popescu if f.giga.etf is supposed to have some value, why nobody asked mircea to arrange buyback on december 1st? << why did it trade 3 days out of 30 for the 30 days BEFORE the announcement moreover. [20:20]
mircea_popescu he bought shares of giga from giga direct? or on glbse << i bought bonds before the glbse ipo. they were transformed into glbse shares when giga decided later to put up with nefario's bs. i didn't want to, but i didn't make a huge point out of it either because at the time nefario hadn't yet quite shown himself for the huge cock he was/i didn't know better. [20:21]
Ukto ahhh [20:22]
Ukto then [20:22]
mircea_popescu well mircea_popescu claims that "he always stated" that he intended the passthrough to be zero work/maintenance << should i quote ? [20:22]
Ukto but were your shares listed within glbse? [20:22]
Ukto and 'assigned' to you? [20:22]
Ukto or were those outside of/beyond ? [20:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11825 @ 0.00053182 = 6.2888 BTC [+] [20:23]
mircea_popescu pigeons: he removed all records of the asset from accounts though, is my udnerstanding << you srsly should read that 3 hour discussion. the shares were removed from current holdings. all historical info is still there, and also here, on the twitter feed, etc. [20:24]
Ukto i.e. was giga paying you divs seperately ? [20:24]
Ukto then I was very wrong. :) [20:24]
mircea_popescu yeah i figured originally i would have an easier time getting GIGA divdends from MP than from nefario if GLBSE went south << this would be true. however, glbse going south + giga going taxid/etc is a different story. [20:24]
gigavps ahhhhh [20:25]
Ukto good morning mr giga :P [20:26]
gigavps maybe you could explain a bit further [20:26]
mircea_popescu Ukto no, theywere on glbse. [20:26]
Ukto ah, okay [20:26]
gigavps good afternoon Ukto [20:26]
mircea_popescu everyone's pre-glbse ipo stuff was moved on glbse [20:26]
Ukto guess it is afternoon now isnt it [20:26]
mircea_popescu it seemed logical at the time, simplify everyone's maintenance of it. [20:26]
gigavps some parts of the world ;) [20:26]
mircea_popescu also, it seemed friendlier to smalltimers, as in, not have to require minimum x hundred btc investment. [20:26]
mircea_popescu the problem with being friendly to small timers is that then you end up stuck with a horde of very silly people. [20:27]
Ukto so basically, it boils down to, you did the passthrough, told everyone you had 0 plans to do anything that requires any actual time or effort, good luck have fun. now shit hit the fan, and your sticking to what your siad since gigavps wants tax docs/id etc that you never agreed to provide should they be requested. right? [20:27]
Ukto regardless of any potential share value [20:28]
mircea_popescu something like that. [20:28]
Ukto potential or not [20:28]
Ukto even [20:28]
mircea_popescu well, not regardless. if the stuff giga does ends up having a value in fact [20:28]
mircea_popescu giga.etf people can whine at me for it. [20:29]
mircea_popescu but atm, it's nothing yet. [20:29]
Ukto and gigavps, I take it, your stuck not able to give out anything unless mircea_popescu provides said documentation right? [20:29]
gigavps correct [20:29]
Ukto then it is a stalemate. [20:29]
mircea_popescu dude, looky : [20:29]
mircea_popescu giga finally is done with his process sometime. say january. [20:29]
mircea_popescu issues a 0.15 btc payment per share. [20:30]
mircea_popescu etf guy emails me going listen! i had 1000 etf shares. giga paid 0.15 btc! I should get something! [20:30]
Ukto people can bitch and whine at mp ALL they want, but if it was made clear that he had no responsibility to do any effort towrads the actual shares, then its up to thsoe people to seek whatever based on their own views. end of story [20:30]
mircea_popescu he's probably going to get something. [20:31]
Ukto mircea_popescu: what if gigavps begins normal div payouts regularly? [20:31]
Ukto and you havent 'claimed' ? [20:31]
Ukto would you continue to pay out divs out of your pocket? [20:31]
mircea_popescu alternatively, guy goes "here's a signed statement of no further claims, pay me X". if x is reasonable he'll also get it. [20:31]
mircea_popescu etc. [20:31]
Ukto just curious :) [20:31]
mircea_popescu all this is very fucking c ommon and veryfucking sane, except for people that really have no idea howfinance works. [20:31]
Ukto and people blowing up and loosing their mind and getting attiudes [20:32]
mircea_popescu Ukto i doubt it makes much sense for giga to pay dividends "normally". i would expect he makes some sort of final settlement. [20:32]
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mircea_popescu i don't intend to make any more than one payment to claimants, which'd be final and negotiated. [20:32]
Ukto gigavps: you were planning to shut down, right? someone mentioend earlier you wanted to continue? But that did nto soudn right to me [20:32]
mircea_popescu it's impractical to keep fiddling with the shit forever. [20:33]
Ukto *cant type, sorry [20:33]
gigavps Ukto if i was going to shut down, i wouldn't be going through all of this mess [20:33]
mircea_popescu ?! [20:33]
Ukto ahhh alright [20:33]
mircea_popescu how'd you pay if you were going to shut down ? [20:33]
gigavps mircea_popescu we don't have to worry about that because i'm NOT SHUTTING DOWN [20:34]
mircea_popescu i thought the entire problem was you didn't have a way to identify owners that's reliable [20:34]
mircea_popescu mkay. [20:34]
mircea_popescu this is an odd development lol. [20:34]
Ukto so he plans to contiune (at some point) to pay dividends and get back to business as usual [20:34]
gigavps is the US, it is mandatory to keep records of who you are doing business with [20:34]
Ukto see what happens when we talk things through? :) [20:34]
mircea_popescu you seriously are going to be paying weekly btc after your claims are complete ?! [20:34]
gigavps mircea_popescu yes [20:35]
mircea_popescu Ukto not like i'm nopt here daily an' talking things. [20:35]
gigavps wtf did you think i was going to do [20:35]
Ukto no, but sometimes a 3rd person helps alot [20:35]
Ukto (if that person is trying to work things out.) [20:35]
mircea_popescu gigavps da fuck. won't that even cost more than the payments to administer ?! [20:35]
mircea_popescu i thought you'll go here is a final payment offer, lala. [20:35]
Ukto yes, hes trying to do it as "right" as possible [20:35]
Ukto even if it costs outof his pocket [20:35]
jcpham giavps 2 legit [20:35]
gigavps LOL [20:35]
jcpham so legit he hurts himself [20:36]
mircea_popescu it's how something lik this is usually unwound. [20:36]
Ukto thats been the whoel odeal that ppl have been confused on I think [20:36]
gigavps well, maybe you should ask me what i'm doing [20:36]
gigavps instead of deciding for me in your head [20:36]
Ukto gigavps: well, now that things are working out, lets play nice :P [20:36]
* Ukto whacks gigavps [20:36]
mircea_popescu gigavps i did notice you never actualyl said what you were doing with the claims once complete, so i figure it's because it's the obvious thing [20:36]
mircea_popescu and didn't care to stir the pot. [20:36]
Ukto lets not start a new fued :P [20:36]
gigavps i am playing nice [20:36]
jcpham sounds like a classic communication breakdown [20:36]
Ukto jcpham: exactly. [20:36]
jcpham no harm no foul [20:36]
Ukto now _everyone_ can take teh knifes off of everyones throats, and relax a bit [20:37]
gigavps my wife does say that my style of communication is to offer less and wait for questions [20:37]
jcpham mine too [20:37]
jcpham i'm no messenger [20:37]
gigavps i'm not really fond of people who can talk for days on end.... [20:37]
jcpham like Ukto? [20:38]
PsychoticBoy sure [20:38]
mircea_popescu so you are going to pay btc weekly ? [20:38]
Ukto defenitely [20:38]
jcpham ;) [20:38]
Ukto hey, if I can help someone with my annoyance, so be it :P [20:38]
gigavps mircea_popescu i'm writing the software to handle this now.... [20:38]
mircea_popescu i gotta see this thing. [20:38]
mircea_popescu but wtf i mean suppose someone sends notice of non payment [20:39]
jcpham gigavps: use notepad.exe [20:39]
mircea_popescu now that you're all in written form. what do you do, explain the court that you in fact DID pay [20:39]
mircea_popescu it was just this btc thingee ? [20:39]
Ukto jcpham: LOL [20:40]
gigavps jcpham i love notepad.exe [20:40]
jcpham best programmer [20:41]
gigavps but i use sublime text for the most part [20:41]
Ukto nah [20:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1101 @ 0.00331829 = 3.6534 BTC [-] [20:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2099 @ 0.0033 = 6.9267 BTC [-] [20:41]
Ukto just use excel to store all your data and track it [20:41]
Ukto its teh best! :P [20:41]
gigavps mircea_popescu the contract is for bitcoins, that is not changing [20:41]
jcpham access database [20:41]
jcpham don [20:41]
jcpham 't lie [20:41]
Ukto ouch [20:41]
gigavps mariadb [20:42]
Ukto heh, apples filemaker pro :P [20:42]
jcpham multi-user access database [20:42]
jcpham even better [20:42]
Ukto oooh [20:42]
Ukto Fox! :P [20:42]
jcpham I'm not really going to be happy about bitcoin until I have the balling asics [20:42]
mircea_popescu prolly next year that. [20:43]
jcpham gpu mining is for the birds [20:43]
Ukto agreed [20:43]
jcpham thank god for the shares i have left at coinlab [20:43]
Ukto i turned my gpu off a few days ago [20:43]
Ukto thinking about putting it on ltc for amusement [20:43]
jcpham that's like 140% [20:43]
Ukto jcpham: how did you get all those shares at coinlab ? >:P [20:43]
mircea_popescu hamsters. [20:44]
jcpham i gamed the shit out of their PPS [20:44]
Ukto lol [20:44]
jcpham i think i got the whole hour of 199% [20:44]
jcpham a few weeks back [20:44]
mircea_popescu is this like a sort of pool hopping ? [20:45]
jcpham hashpower.com is sortof like gpumax.com [20:45]
jcpham in that you can buy other people's rigs for the highest price [20:46]
jcpham per share [20:46]
jcpham so if I can buy at 115% and mine ona pool paying 120% [20:46]
jcpham it is profitable [20:46]
jcpham coinlab is lucky they came around after gpumax [20:47]
Ukto you mean, you are lucky? :P [20:47]
Ukto or that they get to pay you more? [20:47]
Ukto :P [20:47]
jcpham if hashpower was 1TH/s [20:47]
jcpham i'd have more shares [20:47]
jcpham probably break their pool though [20:48]
Ukto it might soon enough [20:48]
Ukto working on vardiff atm [20:48]
jcpham neat [20:48]
Ukto also, weex no longer requires invites. :) [20:49]
Ukto its now open-beta lol [20:49]
jcpham hashpower->weex->my wallet is instant btw [20:49]
jcpham flawless even [20:49]
Ukto and weex min withdraw is 0.1btc now [20:49]
PsychoticBoy https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78638.msg1384935#msg1384935 [20:50]
Ukto I will prolly setup a btc auto-withdraw thing for both HP and weex at somepoint. [20:50]
Ukto might be an xmas gift [20:50]
jcpham that would be nice [20:50]
jcpham then i could forget about my miners [20:50]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052706 = 2.2774 BTC [-] [21:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12979 @ 0.000527 = 6.8399 BTC [-] [21:06]
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smickles Ok, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74216.msg1385017#msg1385017 [21:21]
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mircea_popescu good luck with it [21:25]
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rdponticelli mircea_popescu: So, didn't you really know that gigavps would be continuing payments? [21:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00052718 = 2.2779 BTC [+] [21:40]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28329 @ 0.000527 = 14.9294 BTC [-] [21:40]
mircea_popescu afaik he never said that specifically until tonight. [21:40]
rdponticelli Well, I knew it, that's way I was still interested... [21:41]
gigavps i'm not sure why i would be paying all of this money if i didn't want to continue. but i digress [21:41]
rdponticelli It was in his thread IIRC? [21:42]
mircea_popescu gigavps well, clean closing comes to mind. [21:43]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli gimme a quote ? it's possible girl might have missed it. [21:44]
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rdponticelli I wouldn't bother for 8 or 9 btc, but it's the link that's worthwhile [21:46]
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mircea_popescu rdponticelli what we do, even if for 8 or 9 btc, has the value of creating precedent [21:46]
mircea_popescu so in general it's worth arguing things to their ends. [21:47]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: I would have to search for the quote... [21:47]
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rdponticelli But I clearly understood the continuity from what I gathered from the thread... [21:49]
mircea_popescu well mind you, what you understood and what it says may be different things. [21:50]
rdponticelli Well, we are still arguing... [21:50]
rdponticelli There's plenty of time [21:50]
Bugpowder mpex website down? [21:51]
mircea_popescu yeah datacenter doesn't ping. [21:51]
kakobrekla OMGSEC [21:51]
rdponticelli Yeah, may be, but everybody else seems to have understood the same [21:51]
Ukto lol [21:51]
mircea_popescu 209.51.137.26 is ded [21:52]
rdponticelli It's that's so difficult to filter out the shit on that forum... [21:53]
mircea_popescu rdponticelli you're telling me ? [21:53]
rdponticelli mircea_popescu: I'm just telling... [21:54]
rdponticelli :) [21:55]
rdponticelli *Saying [21:55]
mircea_popescu im just agreeing lol. srsly, wouldn't surprise me if the girl missed out something, jsut on sheer volume [21:55]
jurov mircea_popescu, all my mpex commands time out :S [21:55]
jurov other can do STAT without problem? [21:55]
jurov *others [21:55]
mircea_popescu read up ? [21:56]
mircea_popescu dc just vanished am inute ago. [21:56]
jurov ah [21:56]
Bugpowder its back [21:56]
jurov yes [21:56]
Bugpowder errr [21:57]
Bugpowder or not [21:57]
mircea_popescu yeah. was like... tech picked up, person said hi tech said "it's back" [21:57]
mircea_popescu what again ? [21:57]
mircea_popescu ahaha wtf. [21:57]
Bugpowder down again [21:57]
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mircea_popescu a well im giving it five. [21:58]
Bugpowder its just superslow [21:59]
jurov my bots finally DOSed it :p [22:00]
mircea_popescu no, one router fried. they say be ~15. [22:01]
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* Ukto dos' jurov :P [22:07]
* Ukto bots jurov too [22:07]
* jurov reprograms the bots and sends them back in time [22:07]
Ukto lol [22:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.BVPS] 25121 @ 0.00300001 = 75.3633 BTC [-] [22:08]
smickles ok, s²cm begins paying out as soonits machine syncs with the blockchain [22:10]
smickles *as soon as its [22:10]
mircea_popescu ahh this is nice [22:11]
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Bugpowder what is s²cm [22:11]
mircea_popescu i like people who say ~15 and then it's 9 [22:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00052885 = 1.6923 BTC [+] [22:11]
smickles Bugpowder: a former glbse asset [22:11]
mircea_popescu it was smickles and iirc splater's trading bot [22:11]
smickles Azelphur: did the netsplit cause you to miss this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74216.msg1385017#msg1385017 [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C140T] 1000 @ 0.10186609 = 101.8661 BTC [-] [22:12]
jcpham yeah Azelphur you should hurry [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C130T] 1000 @ 0.13567008 = 135.6701 BTC [-] [22:12]
smickles lol, "while supplies last" [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C120T] 1000 @ 0.16560208 = 165.6021 BTC [-] [22:12]
jcpham haha [22:13]
Bugpowder ooo [22:13]
mircea_popescu smickles for my curiosity, what repay scheme do you use ? everyone who claims % equal to what you have liquid + settlement/final payment once 100% liquidates ? [22:13]
smickles yeah, since we have not liquidate 100% of the assets yet, everyone gets an equal share of btc on hand, then an equal share of the btc from each sale as they occur [22:14]
mircea_popescu o, like that ? [22:15]
EskimoBob mircea_popescu: this cunt you hired to do your PR is kinda stupid. Possibly both of you are clueless and she is the fool who is just posting that nonsense you have told her to write [22:15]
jcpham i like her boobs [22:15]
smickles er, equal share, being their proportion according to how many shares they had [22:15]
mircea_popescu EskimoBob what is this about ? [22:15]
EskimoBob ask her [22:15]
mircea_popescu lmao. you are trying to hide behind the skirts of MY pr ? [22:16]
mircea_popescu get your own. [22:16]
EskimoBob ? [22:16]
smickles https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=52741;sa=showPosts [22:16]
jcpham i think she's abrasive too mircea, put a muzzel on her [22:16]
jcpham but boobs [22:17]
mircea_popescu wouldn't she look great in a muzzle... [22:17]
jcpham i bet [22:17]
mircea_popescu but that aside, abrasive is needed on btctalk. [22:17]
EskimoBob jcpham: she is just perfect for mircea_popescu [22:17]
mod6 i actually like how she drops the hammer on people on btctalk [22:17]
jcpham i do too [22:17]
jcpham i used the word abrasive [22:17]
jcpham which isn't *that* bad [22:17]
mod6 If i was on there, I would +1 many posts. [22:17]
mircea_popescu abraded sounds sorta like something to do with bride [22:18]
smickles abrasives are good, acetone, for instance, is greate at removing nail polish [22:18]
Ukto i already have 1 bride, dont need more [22:18]
mircea_popescu does she abride you ? [22:18]
EskimoBob Ukto: you do not want that sociopath :) [22:19]
Ukto ROFLOL [22:19]
mircea_popescu o, also, to remind everyone : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/the-mpex-rota/ [22:19]
mircea_popescu first rolls close in ~ a week [22:19]
EskimoBob fuck you and your rota, mircea_popescu. Honestly [22:20]
EskimoBob at the rate you are going right now, you are probably the first asshole in front of that toy court [22:20]
jcpham toning down on the condescending remarks would help boobs mcghee [22:20]
mircea_popescu why are you so angry, anyway ? [22:20]
jcpham i doubt she needs friends though [22:20]
EskimoBob lol :) [22:20]
EskimoBob I am not angry at all. [22:21]
Ukto whats the diference between a # and a @ on twatter? [22:21]
smickles EskimoBob: I'd like to thank you for causing me to be quoted so often :) [22:21]
jcpham one is a person [22:21]
mircea_popescu # sends t a chanel [22:21]
jcpham on is a hashtag [22:21]
mircea_popescu @ to a person [22:21]
jcpham hashtags are like subject links [22:22]
Ukto jcpham: thanks capt, obvious [22:22]
Ukto so I would create a channel ? [22:22]
Ukto 0,o [22:22]
mircea_popescu omg we were only trying to halp. [22:22]
jcpham so #ukto in every tweet [22:22]
mircea_popescu ukto why'd you be on twitter ? [22:22]
jcpham would make it easy to search for you [22:22]
jcpham or anyone talking about you [22:22]
jcpham or that subject [22:22]
Ukto mircea_popescu: for bitfunder [22:22]
Ukto for trade history [22:22]
mircea_popescu a a [22:22]
mircea_popescu MPEx ‏@MPEx1 [22:22]
mircea_popescu 1`000 O.BTCUSD.C120T @ 0.16560208BTC = 165.60208000BTC (= 2`200.85 USD). 20 #trade #bitcoin #btc #options [22:22]
mircea_popescu im not sure why i use those, tbh. [22:23]
* Ukto has always avoided twatter [22:23]
jcpham i dump spam on it [22:23]
jcpham that's about it [22:23]
Bugpowder twitter is an excellent professional tool [22:23]
EskimoBob fluffygrrl = MPOE-PR ... nice! [22:23]
jcpham every few months i log in and respong to smickles [22:23]
smickles heh, quarterly, iirc [22:23]
Bugpowder its the ultimate customized newsfeed, with real itme [22:23]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder what profession ? [22:24]
Bugpowder time info [22:24]
jcpham yes quarterly [22:24]
EskimoBob Bugpowder: there is nothing professional about twatter [22:24]
Bugpowder great for science [22:24]
EskimoBob probably [22:24]
EskimoBob if you study human stupidity [22:24]
Bugpowder great for marketing people, tech people [22:24]
Bugpowder great for professional atheletes [22:24]
mircea_popescu i had a pretty large following, never quite saw the usefulness of it. [22:24]
Bugpowder to "build their brand" [22:24]
jcpham spam mircea_popescu [22:25]
mircea_popescu i guess. [22:25]
EskimoBob sure, if you believe in 140 char drivel and # tags. No thanks [22:25]
Bugpowder The usefulness is not from who follows you so much as the quality of who you follow [22:25]
jcpham twitter is about information [22:25]
jcpham but it stresses me way out [22:25]
mircea_popescu http://twitter.com/mircea_popescu << pretty much have it set as a sort of rss feed of my blog atm [22:25]
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mircea_popescu but a year or two ago i used to be active. i guess its great if you're trying to hook up [22:25]
Bugpowder basically my twitter feed is a stream of a bunch of interesting links to things I care about, sprinkled with snarky commentary [22:25]
mircea_popescu Bugpowder sort of like popurls / delicious ? [22:25]
Bugpowder In the last year, serious science people have really gotten on board [22:26]
Bugpowder I dunno about that stuff [22:26]
mircea_popescu a ok well maybe that explains it. [22:26]
Bugpowder this allows you to have a dialogue with important people in your field and others you are interested in [22:26]
Bugpowder in a quick way [22:26]
mircea_popescu honestly, i much prefer irc. just the logging alone. twitter sucks for looking in the history. [22:26]
mircea_popescu and im a history-type. even newspapers, i buy today, read in 6 months. or a year. [22:27]
Bugpowder yeah but IRC is limited in the scope and is a timesuck [22:27]
Bugpowder twitter is quick [22:27]
smickles mircea_popescu: twiter is like rss, but shit [22:27]
Bugpowder rss [22:27]
mircea_popescu i never got into rss either [22:27]
Bugpowder is a reasonable comparison, but its not shit. [22:27]
Bugpowder its much better than rss, because the links are screened by real people for content quality [22:27]
Bugpowder as long as you follow people that don't post stupid shit [22:28]
pigeons what is mpex hosted on a bitvps now or something? [22:28]
Bugpowder but instead focus on good stuff. [22:28]
Bugpowder ANyway, I like it and find it useful. [22:28]
mircea_popescu pigeons not afaik ? [22:28]
pigeons oh i guess not since it came back up quickly [22:28]
smickles it's like how facebook is like having your own website, but shit [22:29]
mircea_popescu lmao [22:29]
mircea_popescu smickles i guess if he has a tight knit circle and they use it, its as good as the circle [22:29]
jcpham pigeons HURR DURR [22:29]
mircea_popescu pigeons in its defense, it's the first time it was down in like six months. [22:29]
Bugpowder facebook is for friends and bullshit [22:30]
smickles pigeons: huh, bitvps went down? i'm irsiing from a bitvps server [22:30]
jcpham pigeons has jokes smickles [22:30]
smickles oh [22:30]
pigeons tip your waitress [22:30]
mircea_popescu he saw mpex being down in the backlog and wet his pants. then saw it came back up. stuck with sticky fluid on loins. [22:30]
* smickles herp-a-derps away [22:30]
mircea_popescu is that bullshit show friends still going ? [22:31]
pigeons no [22:31]
jcpham where the fuck are you from mircea_popescu [22:31]
Bugpowder only in syndication of reruns [22:31]
mircea_popescu aww, [22:31]
jcpham oh right romania [22:31]
jcpham are you telling me Frineds isn't playing every weeknight on TBS in .ro? [22:32]
mircea_popescu jcpham man, my only exposure to it was the one time i was picking up this chick. i was with some other dude, she was with like 3-4 friends of hers. and they were watching... you guessed it... [22:32]
mircea_popescu so this other guy pointed out that show'd be great to watch when they're all like 48 or something. [22:32]
mircea_popescu which... i can see the point lol. [22:32]
jcpham nah [22:32]
jcpham that shows sucks [22:33]
jcpham it'll never be good [22:33]
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jcpham phoebe is stupid [22:33]
jcpham so is chandler and ross and rachel [22:33]
mircea_popescu oh come on. unattractive old chicks and losery douches hanging around and kevetching ? [22:33]
mircea_popescu riot! [22:33]
jcpham i don't remember the rest [22:33]
jcpham some of them fucked each other too [22:33]
jcpham but not while the show is running [22:33]
mircea_popescu i think the show where they fuck is a different format [22:34]
mircea_popescu life or reality or something like that [22:34]
mircea_popescu put a half dozen bums in a vault. [22:34]
jcpham i don't want to see that show [22:34]
jcpham unless they are given drugs and weapons also [22:34]
mircea_popescu speculums works. [22:34]
mircea_popescu http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcoor3YEGZ1r3khrvo1_1280.jpg << are these underage ? [NSFW/NSFUS/ETC] [22:35]
jurov uh oh 90% stuff on http://www.reddit.com/r/bitcoin is about "bitcoin is becoming a bank" [22:40]
jurov serious clicktivism or what [22:40]
jurov *downvotes everything* [22:41]
mircea_popescu i would guess that it's a political problem. amply illustrated in this exchange https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=129337.msg1383274#msg1383274 [22:41]
mircea_popescu basically, some geeky/nerdy/internet types found btc first. finance types found it second, are marginalising them and it hurts. [22:42]
mircea_popescu sorta like you know, irl works. [22:42]
pigeons usagi is a licensed bank in japan [22:43]
mircea_popescu it's easy if you're big in japan. [22:44]
jurov yeah. and there's some banks livensed in nigeria on #bitcoin-otc [22:44]
jurov *licensed [22:44]
jurov http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTtf5s2HFkA [22:51]
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Namjies Bitcoin is not becoming a bank... a minor bitcoin exchange is turning into... something. [23:01]
Namjies That doesn't, in itself, forces anything unto bitcoins. [23:02]
Namjies http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoinforum/comments/14gio9/banktechcom_is_bitcoin_becoming_a_bank/ [23:05]
Namjies Nice comment [23:05]
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Namjies And news anchor still fail at making accurate titles... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2012/dec/07/virtual-currency-bitcoin-registers [23:08]
Namjies hmm, writer in this case, not anchor [23:09]
Namjies I didn't know Bitcoin had staffers or official representation. Or that the bitcoin network would now support bank transfers thanks to this bby becoming a registered payment service provider! [23:12]
mircea_popescu Namjies it just goes to show the general population has not the first clue as to wtf is going on. [23:14]
mircea_popescu it's real bad, show them a goose they swear they've seen a shoebox sorta thing. [23:14]
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Namjies No, the general population has no clue as to how news are mostly rumors, not even researched facts. [23:15]
mircea_popescu that too. [23:15]
Namjies They vaguely correlate with an actual event. How much it does is never known. [23:15]
mircea_popescu but i meant, on the forum(s) and the like. [23:15]
Namjies Ah, indeed. [23:16]
jcpham http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/10/3/1349274909354/A-screenshot-showing-a-Bi-006.jpg [23:16]
jcpham weak wallet screenshot [23:16]
mircea_popescu that is https becoming an isp quote is really on point. wtf they know, random strings. [23:16]
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jcpham http://i.imgur.com/zcLwz.png [23:20]
jcpham better wallet screenshot. inspires confidence [23:20]
jcpham 4 txns is weak [23:20]
Namjies nope... I can read "and there's some banks livensed in nigeria on #bitcoin-otc" on it. [23:25]
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Namjies Doesn't inspire confidence [23:27]
mircea_popescu jcpham http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135491604839.png even better. [23:34]
jcpham yes, yes it is [23:35]
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smickles i'd screenshot my wallet if I din't mostly use raw transactions now [23:36]
jcpham i can't wait until i hit 1000 txns [23:36]
smickles i'm going to start playing around with multisig soon too *squee* [23:37]
mircea_popescu im surprised anyone clicks my dtng links anymoar. [23:40]
mircea_popescu and smickles you can get a gui wallet up to display any wallet.dat you wish. [23:41]
smickles gui? [23:45]
smickles on that machine? [23:45]
smickles i'd have to install things :/ [23:45]
* Ukto installs smickles [23:45]
smickles oooh, it tingles [23:45]
Ukto sick fuck. [23:46]
Ukto :P [23:46]
mircea_popescu ya well it's why it took me ten minutes lol [23:46]
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