Forum logs for 07 Apr 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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mircea_popescu lmao [00:07]
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dub ;;bids 0 [00:16]
gribble There are currently 31700037 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11949260.2416 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0101 seconds [00:16]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.185 BTC [+] [00:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.44 BTC [+] [00:24]
Guest9327 hmm anyone know if the old blkXXX.dat files in ~/.bitcoin can be removed? they arent used anymore in 0.8 right? 0.8 uses the files in the ~/.bitcoin/blocks folder ? [00:27]
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topace whoop sorry stupid guest [00:28]
mircea_popescu well... as with anything else in bitcoin, nobody really knows [00:28]
mircea_popescu try it out and see [00:28]
topace hahha [00:28]
topace indeed [00:28]
topace well the date/time on them are all last-updated when i did the 0.8 upgrade [00:29]
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topace so im gonna assume safe [00:29]
topace and if its not, well itll just redownload [00:29]
topace fucking screwed up my backup system [00:29]
topace my nightly backups went from 400MB on the server, to like 10GB [00:29]
jurov Guest3893: I have removed them fine. [00:29]
topace jurov: that was me :) [00:30]
jurov haha ok. [00:30]
jurov just inquired by email if asset transfers between havelock users are possible? [00:31]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.265 BTC [+] [00:34]
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topace jurov: not automatically [00:38]
topace it'd be a manual push [00:38]
jurov so 10 BTC fee, too? [00:38]
topace request by email and i can do it [00:38]
topace hmmm [00:39]
topace 10 seems a bit steep at current rates eh [00:39]
topace even for havelock->mpex push [00:39]
topace i do plan on building an interface to do it locally between users [00:39]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00297 BTC [+] [00:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 85 @ 0.00298 = 0.2533 BTC [+] [00:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.00298 = 1.49 BTC [+] [00:49]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 55 @ 0.00299 = 0.1645 BTC [+] [00:49]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [00:50]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.00000, Best ask: 143.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 143.00000, 24 hour volume: 20022.34673600, 24 hour low: 139.54000, 24 hour high: 144.50000, 24 hour vwap: 142.27062 [00:51]
mircea_popescu heh 20k. more like it. [00:51]
meh What exactly happens here? [00:51]
mircea_popescu bitcoin finance. [00:53]
meh So like stock trading? [00:53]
mircea_popescu yeah. [00:53]
meh Just out of curiosity, why does this site look so...old? [00:54]
mircea_popescu you're looking at irc through a web interface. [00:54]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2924 = 1.462 BTC [+] [00:54]
jurov which site? mpex.co? yeah because it is [00:54]
bowjob this is the future [00:55]
bowjob everything is simplistic. lol [00:55]
meh I understand the ICR, but MPEX [00:55]
mircea_popescu whoa fuck me he actually did mean mpex [00:55]
topace hahaha [00:55]
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mircea_popescu it looks old because it is old. like dragons [00:55]
mircea_popescu and other ancient evil. [00:55]
meh ahh, i see [00:55]
bowjob http://mpex.co/cherries2.png [00:55]
bowjob it comes with this pic [00:56]
meh easter egg much? [00:56]
bgupta sigh http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/9976524/Russians-most-interested-in-Bitcoin-searches-show.html [00:56]
mircea_popescu a little. [00:56]
mircea_popescu bgupta why sigh ? [00:56]
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assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01998 BTC [-] [00:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 2 @ 0.01999 = 0.04 BTC [+] [00:57]
meh while i'm still asking noobish questions. What's assbot? [00:57]
meh a bot that informs you? [00:57]
mircea_popescu yeah [00:57]
topace meh: informs of trades that happen on the various exchange sites [00:58]
topace you can find sites listed on http://bitcoin-assets.com [00:58]
topace most of them have tickers on assbot [00:58]
mircea_popescu meh you can also read http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-many-ways-available-for-talking-to-mpex/ [00:58]
topace !ticker h vtx [00:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.40600000 / 0.4351875 / 0.44000000 (80 shares, 34.81499976 BTC), 7D: 0.36000000 / 0.49321213 / 0.61488800 (1250 shares, 616.51515803 BTC), 30D: 0.36000000 / 0.4346185 / 0.79900000 (13330 shares, 5793.46456825 BTC) [00:58]
meh This, this, seems like a nice idea [00:58]
bgupta Bubble/cyprus/russians.. sartng to think we may infact be de for a serious correction.. [00:59]
bgupta damn computer is dropping chars. prolly ned to restart IRC clin [00:59]
mircea_popescu bgupta how does russians - > correction follow ? [00:59]
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bowjob he means upwards [00:59]
jurov cause putins says so [01:00]
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mircea_popescu correction upward ? we've not been on a downtrend since last year [01:00]
mircea_popescu topace you run him btw ? [01:01]
jurov anyon knows how easy is for russian to buy btc? i guess sepa isn't accessible there [01:01]
topace mircea_popescu: yes [01:01]
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mircea_popescu you publish reports somewherre ? [01:01]
topace yea on the financials tab on the site [01:01]
topace just html [01:01]
mircea_popescu jurov sure it is. all their cash is in london nao [01:01]
bgupta ok.. we'll see.. anyway gota run go eat. shld be iteresting. [01:01]
mircea_popescu topace mind linking the lazy ? [01:01]
topace https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=HIM [01:02]
topace click financials [01:02]
topace (its javascripted tabs) [01:02]
topace oh shit that reminds me, i never published last months yet [01:02]
topace crap [01:02]
topace ill do that tomrroww [01:02]
topace gotta run now [01:02]
topace bachelor party for friend [01:02]
topace 2 hour drive away [01:02]
topace and they're already half drunk [01:02]
mircea_popescu mk [01:02]
mircea_popescu this is a cashflow statement, was looking for a balancesheet [01:02]
topace there's almosta year's worth of reports there now tho :) [01:02]
topace oh [01:02]
topace its under fund reports [01:03]
topace at the top of the page [01:03]
mircea_popescu a ok [01:03]
topace but only quarterly [01:03]
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topace statement of net assets [01:03]
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topace not exactly a balance sheet [01:03]
topace but close [01:03]
mircea_popescu ok well... i'm confused now. net assets 1.6k btc, and 3k shares outstanding [01:04]
topace well talk tomorrow or monday [01:04]
mircea_popescu do these 1.1k btc worth of mining gear correspond to a 22gh/s mining farm ? [01:04]
topace ill be in the office all day monday [01:04]
mircea_popescu alrighty. [01:04]
meh So somehow I found myself in the ICR chat with some of the top bitcoin players? [01:05]
mircea_popescu yes. [01:06]
mircea_popescu and its irc not icr [01:06]
meh Whops, slip of the keyboard but awesome. [01:06]
mircea_popescu jurov anyway, isn't the novacoin exchange russian ? [01:07]
bowjob yeah, this is the new world order [01:07]
meh If I was thinking about investing somewhere where would you recommend at such a time in bitcoins history? [01:08]
bowjob after the great crash [01:08]
mircea_popescu prolly your best bet is to lurk here. [01:08]
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bowjob wait [01:08]
jurov don't know about novacoin [01:08]
bowjob i interpreted the question wrong [01:08]
meh Not invest into bitcoins, but bitcoins stocks [01:09]
mircea_popescu yes meh. lurk here a few weeks, you'll get a handle of what's what, can proceed from there. [01:09]
meh Works for me! [01:09]
jurov meh also try reading the prospects and do some P/E calculations [01:10]
bowjob you missed some great moments.. like someone fat fingering $80k [01:10]
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meh I guess I was already doing P/E calculations without knowing what they were called. and great moments? $80K? [01:11]
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bowjob someone sold lots of satoshi dice shares at 1/10th of their price accidentally, worth about 80k at the time [01:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [+] [01:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00309 = 0.0927 BTC [+] [01:12]
bowjob it was a fat finger mistake, missed an extra zero [01:12]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.2 = 1 BTC [+] [01:12]
meh That's sad and awesome at the same time. [01:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7799 BTC [+] [01:13]
jurov anyone saw ? http://www.thebitcointrader.com/2013/04/torbroker-silk-road-of-stock-brokers.html [01:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.78 = 3.12 BTC [+] [01:14]
jurov also, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=159237.msg1745116#msg1745116 [01:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [+] [01:16]
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bowjob Ooh. 1 ton of gold seized at border crossing [01:22]
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mircea_popescu jurov saw it in yest's suymmaries, didn't think anything of it [01:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1800 @ 0.00300609 = 5.411 BTC [-] [01:25]
thestringpuller !ticker m S.DICE [01:28]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00276111 / 0.00311396 / 0.003333 (16960 shares, 52.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00276111 / 0.00323841 / 0.00439992 (553467 shares, 1,792.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00276111 / 0.00364758 / 0.006 (1630897 shares, 5,948.83 BTC) [01:28]
thestringpuller !ticker m S.MPOE [01:28]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00070053 / 0.00070878 / 0.000714 (44033 shares, 31.21 BTC), 7D: 0.00059218 / 0.00066953 / 0.00071514 (2191537 shares, 1,467.31 BTC), 30D: 0.00059218 / 0.00069285 / 0.00077505 (8957250 shares, 6,206.03 BTC) [01:28]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [01:28]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 104.18044961 / 111.50875055 / 136.37176816 (22473 shares, 10,540.45 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [01:28]
pgp nice to see a quite weekend and rock steady USD/BTC rate... [01:29]
pgp quiet [01:29]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 57 @ 0.00316 = 0.1801 BTC [+] [01:35]
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KRS1 too quiet [01:38]
kakobrekla BAM! [01:40]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00239 BTC [-] [01:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 10 @ 0.0024 = 0.024 BTC [+] [01:56]
meh Wait, wait, wait. I was talking to the owner of MPEX? [01:59]
guruvan In presence of celebrity [01:59]
Ukto meh: and you didnt get his autograph??? [02:00]
guruvan irc autographs are teh best [02:00]
thestringpuller HAHAHAHAHA [02:02]
thestringpuller HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA [02:02]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 389 @ 0.0024 = 0.9336 BTC [+] [02:03]
MJR_III ;;bc,24hprc [02:04]
gribble 141.03 [02:04]
thestringpuller oh it works again? [02:05]
thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [02:06]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 7 hours, 23 minutes, and 39 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [02:06]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 615 @ 0.00177 = 1.0886 BTC [+] [02:14]
thestringpuller !ticker m S.BBET [02:15]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0007531 / 0.00201282 / 0.00201395 (25028 shares, 50.38 BTC), 30D: 0.00050015 / 0.00192763 / 0.00201401 (77248 shares, 148.91 BTC) [02:15]
MJR_III ;;goxlag [02:15]
gribble MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU). [02:15]
mircea_popescu http://www.troll.me/images/conspiracy-keanu/what-if-the-government-was-replaced-by-idiots-and-were-all-on-a-game-show-to-see-how-long-we-can-tolerate-it.jpg [02:16]
kakobrekla nice [02:17]
kakobrekla possibly true [02:17]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.BBET-PT] 1 @ 0.00178 BTC [+] [02:20]
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kakobrekla ;;ticker [02:22]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.22300, Best ask: 143.48899, Bid-ask spread: 0.26599, Last trade: 143.48899, 24 hour volume: 17917.72892032, 24 hour low: 139.54000, 24 hour high: 143.90000, 24 hour vwap: 142.12441 [02:22]
kakobrekla ;;calc 18000*143 [02:22]
gribble 2574000 [02:22]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.78 = 3.12 BTC [+] [02:44]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.30969999 BTC [+] [03:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.3097 = 1.2388 BTC [+] [03:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3097 BTC [+] [03:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 4 @ 1.895 = 7.58 BTC [-] [03:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3098 = 0.6196 BTC [+] [03:18]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31 = 0.62 BTC [+] [03:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.18199 BTC [+] [03:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.182 = 0.364 BTC [+] [03:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00070001 = 5.3901 BTC [-] [03:40]
kakobrekla https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/528464_10151846460759966_1261528900_n.jpg [03:51]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7705 BTC [-] [03:53]
kakobrekla accually the gangam resemblce is what i find funny [03:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7701 BTC [-] [03:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00428 BTC [+] [03:54]
kakobrekla ;;ticker [03:57]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 142.80000, Best ask: 143.20998, Bid-ask spread: 0.40998, Last trade: 144.00000, 24 hour volume: 18593.38989175, 24 hour low: 139.54000, 24 hour high: 143.99800, 24 hour vwap: 142.21853 [03:57]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1607 @ 0.00070715 = 1.1364 BTC [+] [04:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 173 @ 0.00069565 = 0.1203 BTC [-] [04:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00069565 = 0.9043 BTC [-] [04:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7823 BTC [+] [04:19]
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kakobrekla hi ian_ [04:22]
kakobrekla heres a long shot, is your second name Bakewell? :) [04:23]
ian_ nope [04:23]
kakobrekla I bet thats what he'd say. [04:23]
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ian_ :-) [04:24]
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mircea_popescu lol [04:27]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01799 BTC [+] [04:30]
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Bugpowder ;;bida 0 [04:31]
gribble Error: "bida" is not a valid command. [04:31]
Bugpowder ;;bida 0 [04:31]
gribble Error: "bida" is not a valid command. [04:31]
Bugpowder ;;bids 0 [04:31]
gribble There are currently 31701185 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12041582.8939 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0102 seconds [04:31]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.018 BTC [+] [04:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7824 = 3.1296 BTC [+] [04:36]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7824 = 3.1296 BTC [+] [04:36]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7701 BTC [-] [04:39]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4375 BTC [-] [04:49]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 12 @ 0.429 = 5.148 BTC [-] [04:49]
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jborkl getting gigabit internet service soon here [05:03]
mircea_popescu good for you [05:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.071 = 3.213 BTC [-] [05:06]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 30 @ 0.00429 = 0.1287 BTC [+] [05:16]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.003353 = 0.0101 BTC [+] [05:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00067951 = 4.213 BTC [-] [05:27]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8606 @ 0.00066572 = 5.7292 BTC [-] [05:27]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.003353 = 0.0168 BTC [+] [05:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 600 @ 0.20602864 = 123.6172 BTC [05:57]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.009999 = 0.03 BTC [+] [06:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 20 @ 0.0032 = 0.064 BTC [-] [06:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1394 @ 0.00066572 = 0.928 BTC [-] [06:17]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.009999 = 0.07 BTC [+] [06:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 195 @ 0.01 = 1.95 BTC [+] [06:21]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [11:27]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ [11:27]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013 [11:27]
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bitesak ;;bids 100 [11:28]
gribble There are currently 53436.112 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 6493178.89294 USD in total. | Data vintage: 80.4188 seconds [11:28]
bitesak ;;asks 200 [11:28]
gribble There are currently 26949.497 bitcoins offered at or under 200.0 USD, worth 4498414.43946 USD in total. | Data vintage: 91.4832 seconds [11:28]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.761011 BTC [+] [11:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.76101 = 3.8051 BTC [-] [11:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75007 BTC [-] [11:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.741 BTC [-] [11:38]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [11:38]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 145.44452, Best ask: 145.45000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00548, Last trade: 145.44452, 24 hour volume: 18564.53534544, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 145.45000, 24 hour vwap: 143.50361 [11:38]
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mircea_popescu i hope gox is enjoying the 20k a day volumes lol. [11:38]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.739 BTC [-] [11:41]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 18 @ 0.739 = 13.302 BTC [-] [11:43]
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taub not sure if it's gox fault or just lack of trading overall [11:45]
taub it has been very very calm the last days [11:46]
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taub but I guess everything is calm after a 50% rise [11:46]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.739 BTC [-] [11:46]
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taub and it has been this calm/low volume between the last big breakouts soon, so [11:47]
taub they'll make up for it [11:47]
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mircea_popescu but I guess everything is calm after a 50% rise << ahahah [11:48]
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mircea_popescu mno, the danger after the 50% rise is the 500% rise following. [11:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2794 @ 0.00068716 = 1.9199 BTC [-] [11:51]
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taub going for the breakout [11:53]
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taub i'm not sure if its the constant lag or what, btu the excitement of the depth also was really slow, maybe it was just lack of activity in general [11:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 92 @ 0.00301847 = 0.2777 BTC [+] [11:56]
bgupta ;;goxlag [11:56]
gribble MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU). [11:56]
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bgupta ;;ticker [11:57]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 145.70001, Best ask: 145.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.29998, Last trade: 145.59002, 24 hour volume: 18957.34005147, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 146.30000, 24 hour vwap: 143.56917 [11:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 70 @ 0.0034 = 0.238 BTC [+] [11:58]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.39 = 1.17 BTC [+] [12:20]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.739 BTC [-] [12:22]
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error4733 ;;ticker [12:29]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 147.00000, Best ask: 147.85000, Bid-ask spread: 0.85000, Last trade: 147.85000, 24 hour volume: 19484.53263950, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 146.75100, 24 hour vwap: 143.65784 [12:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.20696119 = 206.9612 BTC [+] [12:35]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.739 BTC [-] [12:46]
mircea_popescu so apparently vircurex was hacked. [12:46]
FabianB ah, and looks like central will resume trading tomorrow [12:51]
mircea_popescu yeah. seems indeed they were telling the truth and balances unaffected. [12:52]
mircea_popescu but they did lose something with that free wallet thing [12:52]
FabianB they are not telling how much [12:55]
FabianB but maybe they are insured to a degree by their bank partner [12:56]
FabianB online wallets are a bad idea anyway [12:59]
FabianB both to provide them as well as to use them [13:00]
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mircea_popescu yeah on the last part [13:04]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure they're not insured on the wallet. [13:04]
mircea_popescu ;;eauth mircea_popescu [13:05]
gribble Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452 [13:05]
mircea_popescu ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:58a353388cb9a0606e43d0bf489ed36b29bb910345d158127b7504e8 [13:05]
gribble You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452 [13:05]
mircea_popescu ;;unrate kumala [13:05]
gribble Successfully removed your rating for kumala. [13:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00131 BTC [-] [13:07]
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mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165500.0;all [13:10]
mircea_popescu that shit;'s so funny [13:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.106 BTC [+] [13:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00131 BTC [-] [13:12]
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ChaangNoi ath on a saturday? [13:13]
ChaangNoi what day is it? [13:14]
ChaangNoi hell its sunday here [13:14]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: has someone opened a scamtag thread for that guy? [13:15]
ChaangNoi every time i come here its daed? everyone buy out silk road or something? [13:16]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 which one, coinjedi ? [13:16]
Diablo-D3 whoever runs that betting site [13:16]
ChaangNoi d3 you saw matthew is no longer a scammer? lol [13:16]
mircea_popescu yeah, the very thread is dedicated to scamtagging the site owner and luke [13:16]
ChaangNoi coinjed or something [13:16]
Diablo-D3 oh it is in the scammer subforum [13:17]
ChaangNoi why is luke getting tagged in that drama? [13:17]
ChaangNoi what did he do? [13:17]
Diablo-D3 ChaangNoi: because he works for BFL now [13:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.000649 = 0.0032 BTC [+] [13:17]
ChaangNoi oh [13:17]
mircea_popescu ChaangNoi well... shilling [13:17]
mircea_popescu he's not very good at it either. [13:17]
ChaangNoi hmm [13:17]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: well apparently they're paying him in units [13:17]
ChaangNoi neither is inaba [13:17]
Diablo-D3 thus he doesnt qualify as a shill [13:17]
ChaangNoi no one at bfl does anything well that i can tell [13:17]
Diablo-D3 hes an employee. [13:17]
ChaangNoi ;;asks 150 [13:17]
gribble There are currently 5227.766 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 780813.315661 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds [13:17]
mircea_popescu lmao "paying him in units" [13:18]
ChaangNoi this sunday rally is shocking... [13:18]
mircea_popescu jesus incredible how stupid people can be [13:18]
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mircea_popescu ChaangNoi heh. people think they have things figured out. [13:18]
mircea_popescu as it turns out, they never do. [13:18]
ChaangNoi :) [13:18]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: luke basically admitted it [13:18]
Diablo-D3 so w/e [13:19]
mircea_popescu but it's ridiculious lol. what units. [13:19]
Diablo-D3 well thats the thing [13:19]
Diablo-D3 no units are ever going to exist [13:19]
ChaangNoi 149 is an ath right? [13:19]
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Diablo-D3 so I wonder what luke think hes going to get [13:19]
mircea_popescu if you're gonna shill for scammers, at least don't : a. be as stupid as gigavps, shilling for pirate and being paid in "reputation" [13:19]
ChaangNoi been traveling [13:19]
mircea_popescu b. be as stupid as lukejr, shilling for bfl being paid in "units" [13:19]
mircea_popescu get paid in cash. btc, that's what it's for. [13:19]
Diablo-D3 man [13:20]
ChaangNoi or btc... [13:20]
Diablo-D3 maybe I can get people to shill for me [13:20]
ChaangNoi ill shill for btc [13:20]
mircea_popescu heh. [13:20]
Diablo-D3 Ill pay them in rack space at the DMC DC. [13:20]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 probably should start a nigerian bride service [13:20]
ChaangNoi i shill ltc, that seemed to work out so far, lol [13:20]
mircea_popescu pay the dorks in nigerian brides. [13:20]
ChaangNoi nigerian/? lol [13:21]
Diablo-D3 why nigerian? [13:21]
ChaangNoi ill send you 100's of s.e.a. girls [13:21]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 i dunno i just picked something [13:21]
ChaangNoi hot thai girl is worth 50 very hot nigerians [13:21]
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mircea_popescu ChaangNoi black chicks have bigger tits [13:21]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: oh yes they do [13:21]
ChaangNoi true [13:21]
mircea_popescu i dunno, it was random, could have said cambodian [13:22]
Diablo-D3 just want to smother yourself in them [13:22]
ChaangNoi im not a huge tit guy however [13:22]
ChaangNoi some guys are [13:22]
Diablo-D3 Im a medium tit guy. [13:22]
ChaangNoi huge tits come with large ass... [13:22]
Diablo-D3 anything bigger than D is just what. [13:22]
mircea_popescu just for you then, medium tit guy : http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ls6yiwUk9S1qbj7slo1_500.jpg [13:22]
ChaangNoi im very much a small ass guy so i deal with normal sized tits [13:22]
Diablo-D3 now see, the best part of a woamn [13:22]
Diablo-D3 the hips [13:22]
ChaangNoi not hard to find Cs here [13:22]
mircea_popescu i like big tits, but i would say Cs count. [13:23]
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Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: man, whatever happened to women with wide hips [13:24]
Diablo-D3 like, the ones from the 60s [13:24]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 715 @ 0.20885915 = 149.3343 BTC [+] [13:25]
mircea_popescu they're all locked in my basement. [13:25]
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assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 10 @ 0.1499 = 1.499 BTC [+] [13:25]
Diablo-D3 well thats not very fair [13:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 100 @ 0.00065754 = 0.0658 BTC [-] [13:26]
mircea_popescu ha! shush commie. [13:26]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130947.msg1758226#msg1758226 [13:26]
mircea_popescu eskimo bob loses 99.x% of NAV [13:27]
mircea_popescu pretty funnay. [13:27]
Diablo-D3 WOAH [13:27]
Diablo-D3 eskimobob is back? [13:27]
mircea_popescu well, he had that genius plan of buying kilns in ltc [13:28]
mircea_popescu ltc he bought kilns with was 0.02 [13:28]
mircea_popescu ltc now is 4.x [13:28]
mircea_popescu suprisingly enough, the value of a kiln hasn't moved much in the interval [13:28]
mircea_popescu or, for that matter, since about 5400 BC. [13:28]
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Diablo-D3 a kiln? [13:31]
Diablo-D3 as in, a oven you bake pottery in? [13:31]
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punkman a very hot oven [13:33]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.739 BTC [-] [13:34]
dust-otc ouch [13:34]
jurov should have built it himself from stones and mud [13:34]
jurov maybe he'll get some volunteers too, such things are deemed cool [13:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.739 = 1.478 BTC [-] [13:34]
ChaangNo_ ohmfg 14000 waiting in the gox line???? [13:35]
ChaangNo_ fuck me [13:36]
ChaangNo_ that is why we have an ath on a sunday [13:36]
ChaangNo_ who wants to buy some calls on my behalf? [13:37]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+] [13:37]
ChaangNo_ what is the price of a 225 call? [13:37]
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jurov where? there is no such thing on mpex yet [13:38]
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ChaangNo_ damn [13:38]
jurov lol, had too look up just to check mp didn't add them [13:38]
ChaangNo_ what is the highest call? [13:38]
jurov 200 [13:39]
ChaangNo_ happen to have the price on hand? [13:39]
ChaangNo_ iv never used his site [13:39]
jurov u can go to mpex.co? [13:39]
ChaangNo_ yeah i will [13:39]
jurov !ticker m O.USD.C200T [13:40]
assbot [MPEX:O.USD.C200T] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.05079251 / 0.05079251 / 0.05079251 (200 shares, 10.16 BTC) [13:40]
jurov !depth m O.USD.C200T [13:40]
jurov $depth O.USD.C200T [13:40]
mpexbot jurov: O.USD.C200T Bids: ['1000 @ 2e-08'] [13:40]
mpexbot jurov: Asks: ['1000 @ 0.0821222'] [13:40]
jurov yup here we go [13:40]
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jurov lol the bidprice is so telling [13:42]
jurov cya later [13:42]
ChaangNo_ lol im not sure what im even looking at, and i used to trade gold options [13:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 60 @ 0.00301847 = 0.1811 BTC [+] [13:48]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 yes. exacrtly. [13:50]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: for what? [13:50]
mircea_popescu for burning pottery with his burned out pothead friends ? [13:50]
mircea_popescu i have no idea. [13:50]
mircea_popescu ChaangNo_ you pay .082122etc btc for the dollar value of 1 btc over 200 [13:51]
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ChaangNo_ ahh [13:54]
ChaangNo_ thats why i did not get it, you had fiat in there [13:55]
ChaangNo_ so about $16 a contract [13:55]
ChaangNo_ (assuming $200) [13:55]
mircea_popescu i don't follow. [13:56]
ChaangNo_ so like $219ish to break even just doing the maths in my head [13:56]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 200 / (1 - .82) [13:56]
gribble 1111.11111111 [13:56]
ChaangNo_ what does the price need to be for me to break even at that price? [13:56]
mircea_popescu um [13:56]
mircea_popescu ;;calc 200 / (1 - .082) [13:56]
gribble 217.864923747 [13:56]
mircea_popescu 217.8 [13:56]
ChaangNo_ okay so i was a bit off, but close for doing it in my head [13:56]
mircea_popescu yeh [13:57]
ChaangNo_ hmm, yeah we might get that but ill pass, [13:57]
mircea_popescu real easy to calc, strike / (1 - premium) for calls [13:57]
mircea_popescu strike / (1 + premium) for puts [13:57]
ChaangNo_ oh it expires the 27th? [13:57]
mircea_popescu yes. [13:57]
ChaangNo_ hmmm [13:57]
ChaangNo_ okay ill buy a handful if anyone will do it for me, as i dont have an account [13:57]
mircea_popescu you can open a coinbr.com one [13:58]
ChaangNo_ i wont tonight, but might tomorrow [13:58]
ChaangNo_ too much to do :/ if the price is about the same i might do it tomorrow [13:59]
mircea_popescu well if it's not you might do it the day after [14:00]
mircea_popescu not like they're going anywhere [14:00]
ChaangNo_ yeah, i will look into it, iv been traveling and dead tired [14:02]
ChaangNo_ and have ot go out again soon [14:02]
ChaangNo_ tomorrow ill have some downtime i hope [14:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 16 @ 0.000649 = 0.0104 BTC [+] [14:03]
ChaangNo_ the 14,000 in the gox line is such a bullish sign, as is new ATH on a sunday [14:03]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C140T] 400 @ 0.21982575 = 87.9303 BTC [14:10]
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ChaangNo_ ;;calc 9140/ (1-.2198) [14:14]
gribble 11714.9448859 [14:14]
ChaangNo_ ;;calc 140/ (1-.2198) [14:15]
gribble 179.441168931 [14:15]
ChaangNo_ hmm [14:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7779 BTC [+] [14:16]
mircea_popescu so here's a basic improvement to current asic hardware : you only need to compute the 2nd hash digit if the 1st came out as 0 [14:34]
mircea_popescu if it didn't... you skip to increasing the nonce. [14:34]
mircea_popescu it's mind boggling to me that nobody has so far implemented this. [14:34]
Scrat mircea_popescu: I dont think you understand how the hash is computed [14:38]
mircea_popescu possibly. enlighten me ? [14:38]
Scrat and the check is only done in the end, the difference is trivial [14:38]
Scrat ping Diablo-D3 [14:39]
mircea_popescu why would you compute the whole thing ? [14:39]
mircea_popescu it's trivial if you're thinking software. as far as the chip goes, it has to be actually etched on the chip. [14:39]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: what. [14:40]
Scrat the hash block size is the minimum divisible entity in the hash afaik, it's the smallest unit that you can compute [14:40]
Diablo-D3 oh [14:40]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: GPU kernels ALREADY only check the first number, H [14:40]
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mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 i was talking asics [14:40]
Diablo-D3 asics can do the same thing [14:40]
Diablo-D3 they just dont [14:40]
mircea_popescu CAN being the key word. [14:40]
Scrat Diablo-D3: check vs compute [14:41]
Scrat big difference [14:41]
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Diablo-D3 Scrat: well [14:41]
mircea_popescu is exactly what i'm saying. could push up energy effuiciency what, 50% [14:41]
Diablo-D3 the problem with asics are [14:41]
Diablo-D3 you waste ROOM not time [14:41]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: oh no, not at all [14:41]
mircea_popescu you waste power too [14:41]
Diablo-D3 to do it unoptimized, you do 128 rounds [14:41]
Diablo-D3 to do it optimized, you do ~112 [14:41]
mircea_popescu hm [14:41]
mircea_popescu you only get 10% ? [14:41]
Diablo-D3 basically. [14:41]
mircea_popescu usure better optimisation wouldn't give you a ~68 ? [14:41]
Diablo-D3 uh, you need to learn how mining works bro [14:42]
mircea_popescu prolly. [14:42]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: people have done static analysis on the process already [14:43]
mircea_popescu and ? [14:43]
Diablo-D3 you cant save much because its a crypto hash. [14:43]
Diablo-D3 it really is as secure as they say it is [14:43]
mircea_popescu still, research in this field is very valuable [14:43]
mircea_popescu as it will be our first line of warning to hash weakness [14:43]
mircea_popescu the fact that asicvendors can optimise towards 50% [14:44]
deadweasel ;;ticker [14:44]
Diablo-D3 you skip some steps at the start because its identical for that set of 2**32 nonces (its precomputed on the cpu and you send the state variables to the kenrel/asic/whatever) [14:44]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 149.90000, Best ask: 149.97999, Bid-ask spread: 0.07999, Last trade: 149.90000, 24 hour volume: 26217.06280203, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 149.00000, 24 hour vwap: 145.13057 [14:44]
deadweasel nice [14:44]
deadweasel 150 on a sunday? i hope so [14:44]
Diablo-D3 you skip the last few steps because you only need H [14:44]
Diablo-D3 and H is finished first [14:44]
Diablo-D3 (then G, F, E, D, C, B, A) [14:44]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: you cant optimize it usefully [14:45]
Scrat Diablo-D3: so you skip the final permutation step because you can check for the first few bytes [14:45]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: the last few steps yes [14:45]
Scrat but is it really 128 vs 112? [14:45]
Diablo-D3 its roughly 112 [14:45]
Diablo-D3 at the start you can precompute parts of several rounds but still have to perform the rounds [14:46]
mircea_popescu Diablo-D3 im just saying, suppose somebody somehow DOES manage to optimise it. [14:46]
Diablo-D3 mircea_popescu: btw, basically what you're describing is an attack on SHA256 [14:46]
mircea_popescu i'm aware. [14:46]
Diablo-D3 which doesn't exist, theoretically or otherwise [14:46]
mircea_popescu doesn't mean shouldn't be worked on. by us, preferably. [14:47]
Scrat Diablo-D3: is the gain 10%? because you're adding quite a few jumps [14:47]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: I made more gains out of DiabloMiner doing OTHER tricks [14:47]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: the precomputed parts of the beginning allow me to do more in parallel for example [14:47]
Diablo-D3 on asics its going to be less of an importance [14:47]
Diablo-D3 btw, if they're using a sea of rolled cores, they can already terminate the last 7 rounds [14:48]
Diablo-D3 they just dont do them [14:48]
ChaangNo_ walls down bitches [14:48]
ChaangNo_ ;;asks 150 [14:48]
gribble There are currently 609.96465 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 91494.697263 USD in total. | Data vintage: 107.2627 seconds [14:48]
bitesak indeed [14:49]
mircea_popescu ;;goxlag [14:49]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: I spent about 5 days straight, 16 hours a day, optimizing DM's current kenrel [14:49]
gribble MtGox lag is 12.944595 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0259408234451 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU). [14:49]
ChaangNo_ ;;asks 151 [14:49]
gribble There are currently 599.86303 bitcoins offered at or under 151.0 USD, worth 90105.2013641 USD in total. | Data vintage: 33.9313 seconds [14:49]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: it was not fun. it was not easy. [14:49]
ChaangNo_ muhahaha 200 here we come [14:49]
bitesak it's getting nearly impressive [14:49]
ChaangNo_ ;;asks 155 [14:49]
gribble There are currently 1579.7787 bitcoins offered at or under 155.0 USD, worth 240784.985216 USD in total. | Data vintage: 50.6103 seconds [14:49]
bitesak :) [14:49]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C140T] 1000 @ 0.22189328 = 221.8933 BTC [+] [14:50]
ChaangNo_ we hit 154 [14:50]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C143T] 1000 @ 0.21093758 = 210.9376 BTC [+] [14:50]
ChaangNo_ on a sunday [14:50]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C149T] 1000 @ 0.19075632 = 190.7563 BTC [14:50]
Diablo-D3 Scrat: I even wrote a SSA compiler in perl that optimizes for parallel execution that you feed it opencl and get opencl [14:50]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C146T] 1000 @ 0.20058142 = 200.5814 BTC [14:50]
Scrat Diablo-D3: yeah, significant gains other than that would imply a weakening of sha256 [14:50]
Diablo-D3 exactly [14:50]
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mircea_popescu $avg ^oix [14:50]
Diablo-D3 hell, we're already shaving off 64 rounds [14:50]
Diablo-D3 hmac sha256 on 80 bytes does 192 rounds [14:50]
mircea_popescu $vwap ^oix [14:51]
mpexbot mircea_popescu: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 119.71467145 high: 153.05972645 low: 104.18044961 volume: 29193 btc: 11933.4892166 30 day: no data [14:51]
Diablo-D3 we do the first 64 on the cpu, precompute everything we can for the second 64, and then skip the last 7 steps of the last 64 [14:51]
Diablo-D3 NOW [14:51]
Diablo-D3 NOW [14:51]
Diablo-D3 on asics [14:51]
Diablo-D3 if you're doing rolled cores [14:51]
Diablo-D3 you CANNOT precompute any part of the beginning [14:51]
Diablo-D3 because that takes more room on the chip [14:51]
bitesak it's nice to see the bid price on Call options rising [14:52]
Diablo-D3 and you want the cores as small and as stupid as possible so you can pack more onto the chip [14:52]
Diablo-D3 what costs money is NOT electricity [14:52]
Diablo-D3 its chip density [14:52]
Diablo-D3 each chip is very expensive to produce, it needs tso hash as fast as possible [14:52]
Diablo-D3 ANYTHING that makes it slower, no matter if its technically an optimization or not, is verboten [14:53]
ChaangNo_ ;;ticker [14:53]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 152.55000, Best ask: 153.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.45000, Last trade: 152.55000, 24 hour volume: 29167.67662843, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 154.00000, 24 hour vwap: 145.70414 [14:53]
Diablo-D3 ASIC optimization is not like GPU optimization [14:53]
Diablo-D3 in GPUs we dont decide how the chip is laid out so we try to make th ebest use of it [14:53]
Diablo-D3 on ASICs, we decide the layout [14:54]
ChaangNo_ ;;asks 160 [14:58]
gribble There are currently 2447.8068 bitcoins offered at or under 160.0 USD, worth 385530.858307 USD in total. | Data vintage: 68.6515 seconds [14:58]
ChaangNo_ ;;asks 175 [14:58]
gribble There are currently 9233.7121 bitcoins offered at or under 175.0 USD, worth 1535430.41877 USD in total. | Data vintage: 82.7095 seconds [14:58]
ChaangNo_ pretty sure more than 1.5 million usd will hit the market next week [14:59]
DeaDTerra WTS G.SDICE,G.MPOE,G.BBET and BTCQuick! [15:07]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [15:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 153.00000, Best ask: 153.58998, Bid-ask spread: 0.58998, Last trade: 153.58999, 24 hour volume: 30061.67247586, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 154.00000, 24 hour vwap: 145.95625 [15:07]
ThickAsThieves mornin! [15:07]
ThickAsThieves 154 on a sunday, heh [15:07]
anarchy5 ChaangNo_: you can bet your ass on it, my friend is number 13630 in the verification queue lol [15:07]
ChaangNo_ yeah no kidding [15:07]
anarchy5 @mtgox [15:07]
anarchy5 that should tell you enough [15:07]
ThickAsThieves ''bids [15:07]
ChaangNo_ we could see 225 easy this week [15:07]
ThickAsThieves ;;bids 0 [15:08]
gribble There are currently 31169744 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11568570.0482 USD in total. | Data vintage: 114.3914 seconds [15:08]
ChaangNo_ ;;asks 225 [15:08]
gribble There are currently 20470.759 bitcoins offered at or under 225.0 USD, worth 3665049.412 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0017 seconds [15:08]
anarchy5 thats at least several thousand people wanting to wire huge amounts of money [15:08]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 159 [15:08]
gribble There are currently 1744.9707 bitcoins offered at or under 159.0 USD, worth 272416.846437 USD in total. | Data vintage: 21.3470 seconds [15:08]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 165 [15:08]
gribble There are currently 4250.6917 bitcoins offered at or under 165.0 USD, worth 678554.100851 USD in total. | Data vintage: 37.7185 seconds [15:08]
ChaangNo_ not even 1 m usd to 165 lol [15:12]
ChaangNo_ well im off to dinner peace [15:12]
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ThickAsThieves $avg [15:13]
mpexbot ThickAsThieves: 144.11 [15:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.000649 = 0.0032 BTC [+] [15:13]
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ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [15:15]
gribble 59095.4517665 [15:15]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [15:15]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 9035656.70557 based on data since last change | 8255413.27355 based on data for last three days [15:15]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc.stats [15:15]
gribble Error: "bc.stats" is not a valid command. [15:15]
ThickAsThieves ;;bc,stats [15:15]
gribble Current Blocks: 230120 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1719 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 5 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9035656.70557 | Estimated Percent Change: 17.75911 [15:15]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.000601 = 0.0018 BTC [-] [15:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000601 BTC [-] [15:19]
ThickAsThieves 155 [15:21]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 159 [15:22]
gribble There are currently 2082.1976 bitcoins offered at or under 159.0 USD, worth 323973.73347 USD in total. | Data vintage: 57.7730 seconds [15:22]
ThickAsThieves ;;goxlag [15:22]
gribble MtGox lag is 67.013025 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.134293351785 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). [15:22]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000601 BTC [-] [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C122T] 15 @ 0.30377875 = 4.5567 BTC [+] [15:25]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000649 = 0.0065 BTC [+] [15:25]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000601 = 0.006 BTC [-] [15:26]
ThickAsThieves 156 [15:30]
ThickAsThieves 157 [15:30]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000649 BTC [+] [15:31]
ThickAsThieves ;;goxlag [15:31]
gribble MtGox lag is 107.523063 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.215475014364 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU). [15:31]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [15:31]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 155.00000, Best ask: 156.94419, Bid-ask spread: 1.94419, Last trade: 155.00000, 24 hour volume: 31538.74456478, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 154.00000, 24 hour vwap: 146.28584 [15:31]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-GOLD] 4 @ 0.01 = 0.04 BTC [+] [15:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0044 BTC [+] [15:51]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.777 = 1.554 BTC [-] [15:54]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [-] [15:54]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] [16:05]
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MJR__ hi all [16:15]
MJR__ ;;bc,24hprc [16:15]
gribble 145.30 [16:15]
MJR__ ;;ticker [16:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 155.00000, Best ask: 155.19999, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 155.00000, 24 hour volume: 33890.45484523, 24 hour low: 141.10000, 24 hour high: 157.00000, 24 hour vwap: 147.00146 [16:15]
MJR__ volume is super low [16:16]
MJR__ ;;bids 0 [16:16]
gribble There are currently 31163186 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11546304.8383 USD in total. | Data vintage: 54.2963 seconds [16:16]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.14 BTC [-] [16:22]
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taub http://blog.nus.edu.sg/lsm2251student/files/2010/04/24017-004-98EF07A1.jpg not bitcoin related but fucking awesome [16:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.138 BTC [-] [16:30]
deadweasel don't like figs. like em less now [16:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3 @ 0.00301847 = 0.0091 BTC [+] [16:33]
error4733 !ticker m s.dice [16:35]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00276111 / 0.00320012 / 0.003333 (11015 shares, 35.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00276111 / 0.00320957 / 0.00419788 (538525 shares, 1,728.44 BTC), 30D: 0.00276111 / 0.00364711 / 0.006 (1631973 shares, 5,951.99 BTC) [16:35]
taub mircea_popescu: are the bots losses big yet? [16:35]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.1499 BTC [+] [16:41]
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mircea_popescu lol [16:44]
ThickAsThieves bots are probably that bad yet, I think there have been a fair amount of buys that haven't broke even yet. [16:44]
mircea_popescu ;;ticker [16:45]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 155.01201, Best ask: 155.95871, Bid-ask spread: 0.94670, Last trade: 155.95871, 24 hour volume: 33977.68618309, 24 hour low: 141.31000, 24 hour high: 157.00000, 24 hour vwap: 147.18995 [16:45]
mircea_popescu what, not even 500 yet ? [16:45]
ThickAsThieves i know right [16:45]
error4733 middle of summer [16:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00301847 = 0.7546 BTC [+] [16:46]
MJR__ prob [16:47]
MJR__ 200 at month end [16:47]
MJR__ 500 by August... [16:47]
ThickAsThieves i'm thinking 185 at end of option period [16:47]
MJR__ we'll see, but I think this will be known as the summer of bitcoin [16:48]
MJR__ we will see many things launched in San Jose in may [16:48]
ThickAsThieves hopefully not because it was a saprk, a flame, and a cloud of smoke [16:48]
MJR__ many will fail [16:48]
ThickAsThieves spark* [16:48]
MJR__ some will succeed [16:48]
MJR__ ThickAsThieves: I hope not also [16:48]
error4733 M157 [16:49]
MJR__ and while I don't want it to grow too fast, it's no ones to control [16:49]
MJR__ and now seems to be the time... [16:49]
ThickAsThieves rising this quickly is totally ponzi mode, so increasing risk of people left holding the bag [16:49]
MJR__ I think in 2016, monetary policy will be big during elections [16:50]
MJR__ and I predict bitcoin will be mentioned during debates [16:50]
ThickAsThieves could be [16:50]
ThickAsThieves its appalling how little the average person cares about inflation, etc [16:50]
MJR__ ThickAsThieves: it is ponzi mode EXCEPT that believing makes it true in some ways [16:50]
ThickAsThieves "just the way it is" [16:50]
ThickAsThieves until less people believe than do, and cash outs snowball [16:51]
MJR__ Ron Paul runs as libertarian 3rd party [16:51]
MJR__ people actually listen [16:51]
ThickAsThieves nah [16:51]
ThickAsThieves 3rd party aint happening yet [16:51]
MJR__ he won't come close to winning [16:52]
ThickAsThieves not without some bigger change [16:52]
MJR__ but he may get +10% [16:52]
MJR__ and I also think that big change is coming [16:52]
ThickAsThieves i think social media has come a long way, and a 3rd party might indeed be able to "go viral" [16:52]
MJR__ it's not going to be pretty [16:52]
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MJR__ I think there is a bolus of cash making its way to the markets...once it clogs that...embolism of the economy [16:53]
ThickAsThieves ATH [16:53]
ThickAsThieves 157.5 [16:53]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 159.99 [16:53]
gribble There are currently 1373.9347 bitcoins offered at or under 159.99 USD, worth 218473.092151 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0010 seconds [16:54]
MJR__ no one sees that QE hasn't hit the markets yet. the money is sitting in accounts, but is not widely distributed [16:54]
MJR__ at least most of it [16:54]
MJR__ think about it...how can I keep printing so fast, and prices are relatively stable? [16:55]
MJR__ the banks which are selling the debt are not lending and spending...cuz they don't need to [16:55]
MJR__ same as the bailout [16:56]
ThickAsThieves i dont know enough about how such things work, but I suppose it's at least possible for there to be a macro economy that encompasses much of newly printed money [16:56]
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MJR__ they gave them money to lend, but they didn't...credit crunch was worse [16:56]
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ThickAsThieves in the end it would still result in inflation though [16:56]
MJR__ I think the fed is depressing the price of gold [16:56]
MJR__ using cheap fiat [16:56]
MJR__ once that becomes unsustainable [16:57]
MJR__ you'll see a run on the dollar, and into gold [16:57]
ThickAsThieves and bitcoin [16:57]
deadweasel they are [16:57]
MJR__ yes exactly [16:57]
ThickAsThieves you watch Parks and Recreation? [16:57]
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MJR__ all those effects will magnify the inflation [16:57]
MJR__ and prices will go up severely [16:58]
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MJR__ for consumers [16:58]
MJR__ THAT'S when they'll care [16:58]
MJR__ I do watch P&R [16:58]
ThickAsThieves Ron Swanson had a funny scene where he says he doesnt know how much gold he has except in wait, and oh some palladium too [16:59]
ThickAsThieves weight* [16:59]
ThickAsThieves hehe [16:59]
MJR__ I saw that yesterday! [16:59]
MJR__ I don't know how much money I have [16:59]
MJR__ but I know how many pounds of money I have [16:59]
punkman better than weightless paper [17:00]
ThickAsThieves paper has weight [17:01]
ThickAsThieves ;) [17:01]
kakobrekla url to swanson vid? [17:01]
punkman I like Jack Offerman [17:01]
punkman makes things out of wood with his hands [17:01]
punkman and still has time to act [17:01]
MJR__ so I could see gold hitting 2k/oz [17:01]
ThickAsThieves it JUST aired kako, not sure where it would be online other than dl'ing latest ep [17:02]
kakobrekla ah the last ep. [17:02]
kakobrekla ill see it then. [17:02]
punkman wait, I meant Nick Offerman [17:03]
punkman https://www.facebook.com/OffermanWoodshop [17:03]
MJR__ http://youtu.be/l_3_9zK4y-Q here's a Ron Swanson gold quote [17:04]
kakobrekla hehe http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=237735892946898&set=a.237734052947082.61290.235639199823234&type=1&relevant_count=1 [17:04]
MJR__ but not the one from thur [17:04]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 50 @ 0.2 = 10 BTC [+] [17:05]
kakobrekla or have I? :) [17:05]
kakobrekla lmao [17:06]
MJR__ hehehe [17:06]
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MJR__ hmmm Ron Swanson mentioning bitcoin? love of anonymity, but dislike of tech... [17:06]
MJR__ good long term BBET maybe [17:07]
MJR__ also mentioned during 2016 debates is a good one [17:07]
MJR__ first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win [17:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3100 @ 0.00065754 = 2.0384 BTC [-] [17:12]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.00066418 = 3.4869 BTC [+] [17:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4750 @ 0.00066566 = 3.1619 BTC [+] [17:16]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.19 = 3.57 BTC [+] [17:21]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 40 @ 0.003 = 0.12 BTC [-] [17:40]
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ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [17:44]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 156.00000, Best ask: 157.99900, Bid-ask spread: 1.99900, Last trade: 156.00000, 24 hour volume: 36710.60460093, 24 hour low: 141.40000, 24 hour high: 159.00000, 24 hour vwap: 148.07204 [17:44]
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mircea_popescu ThickAsThieves: it is ponzi mode << no it's not. [17:46]
mircea_popescu no sentiment based thing can take 4 days off [17:46]
mircea_popescu bitcoin did. [17:46]
MJR__ lol I didn't mean it that way...context [17:46]
jurov mircea btw, are there new options with higher strikes planned? or at opex soonest? [17:47]
mircea_popescu a, i can add more at any time [17:48]
bgupta ThickAsThieves: "They" got a chance to buy back in, so it can rally a bit now. [17:48]
mircea_popescu The online betting Web site Intrade, which gained widespread notice for serving as a predictions platform for elections and events not related to sports, is facing liquidation because of a $700,000 cash shortfall, a development that comes a month after it halted trading and froze its customer accounts. [17:50]
mircea_popescu Intrade’s director, Ronald Bernstein, said in a statement that the shortfall resulted from unspecified actions by two other parties, whom he did not name. [17:50]
mircea_popescu totally. [17:50]
mircea_popescu ian bakewell and eskimo bob [17:51]
MJR__ really? [17:51]
mircea_popescu the first two lines ? yea. [17:52]
mircea_popescu the founder just looted the corp accoutns is all. [17:52]
kakobrekla lulz [17:52]
MJR__ my earlier point was related to how banks are "ponzis" (loosely using that as a term for general speculation) in any trust based system if trust leaves the last one holding the bag is screwed [17:53]
mircea_popescu bitcoinity dead ? [17:53]
MJR__ that's what I've heard today [17:53]
jurov yes, poor bitcoinity, few hours already [17:53]
mircea_popescu MJR_ ya well not everything that relies on trust or appreciates in value is a ponzi. [17:53]
deadweasel ;;goxlag [17:53]
gribble MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU). [17:53]
taub I think 200 can happen real fast [17:56]
taub at least faster than you think [17:56]
mircea_popescu anything can happen real fast or at least faster than you think [17:57]
taub :> [17:57]
deadweasel its coming. i threw the bones .. they sgree. [17:57]
deadweasel agree [17:57]
mircea_popescu for instance, a hot young thing walking into your office naked takes all of 6 seconds [17:57]
taub keep laughing [17:57]
mircea_popescu it could happen, and i bet you it'd be faster than you'd think [17:58]
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MJR__ mircea_popescu: almost nothing is a "ponzi", as it refers to a specific sort of scam. if we are conflating that term with tulip mania or bubble, then most things are...the only difference in them is the probability that they become unpopular [17:59]
iz let's start including reasons for our guesses when we voice them.. for example, i think 200 can happen real fast because of something something [17:59]
iz taub: what is the something something reason for thinking 200 can happen real fast? [18:00]
MJR__ one could argue that Mercedes are a "bubble" if everyone decides that luxury vehicles are retarded. [18:00]
KRS1 sup MJR [18:00]
MJR__ that is unlikely, as fast cars are universally cool as are leather warm seats [18:00]
MJR__ sup KRS1 [18:01]
iz so the big question is.. are bitcoins cool or not? [18:01]
MJR__ right now obviously yes [18:01]
iz haha [18:01]
iz yup [18:01]
MJR__ so were beanie babies [18:01]
KRS1 until women dig em i'll say meh [18:01]
MJR__ difference is utility [18:01]
MJR__ I know many women who love bitcoins :) [18:02]
iz bitcoins: like beaning babies for drug addicts and nerds [18:02]
KRS1 cant exactly walk up to a hot women and say, check out my bitcoins beeotch [18:02]
iz beanie [18:02]
MJR__ nah [18:02]
KRS1 then unF unF unF all night long buttsecks [18:02]
MJR__ bitcoins have utility and "intrinsic" value [18:02]
taub iz: just the pattern, big move, long congestion, big move [18:02]
taub its' less than another 50% move to 200 [18:02]
MJR__ well, all im saying is im glad I have the 164 call [18:03]
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iz taub: i find with trends it's better to identify the CAUSE of the chart move, and then determine if you are seeing a similar cause happen and then notice the effect on the chart [18:03]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=165766.msg1762710#msg1762710 [18:03]
MJR__ I think the number im looking for in long term stability is ~2700 [18:03]
mircea_popescu so criptostox/vircurex is about going rogue [18:04]
taub i dont think about causes [18:04]
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iz taub: it's not so good to just look at the charts that are effected by causes and doing voodoo and gambler's logic on the charts based on how they look or what your gut says [18:04]
iz imho [18:04]
MJR__ that number means rough parity with silver [18:04]
taub nah it can work [18:04]
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iz taub: a broken clock can be right twice a day too [18:04]
taub other markets are traded like this, why should bitcoin be different [18:04]
iz taub: other markets are traded by idiots that way [18:05]
iz so bitcoin shouldn't be any different [18:05]
mircea_popescu KRS1 actually i have. [18:05]
taub okay fuck you [18:05]
iz sorry, i didn't maen that to come out that way [18:05]
taub i gave my opinion, im not gonna go into some ta debate again [18:05]
iz but just because ppl do it in other markets and are successful while the market is growing doesn't mean it's a good strategy [18:05]
MJR__ point taken [18:06]
iz but of course it will work in the bitcoin wolrd AS LONG as the bitcoin market keeps growing [18:06]
MJR__ that's what the market is there for...deciding who is right [18:06]
taub whatever iz [18:06]
deadweasel 90% of the time tne best and hardrst decision is to hold and wait. [18:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4399999 BTC [-] [18:07]
MJR__ deadweasel: yep ^^ this [18:07]
MJR__ especially with S.DICE T_T [18:07]
iz taub: i didn't mean any offense, but i do strongly suggest you consider looking at causes when trading [18:07]
deadweasel yeah, now that hes out of the US, im actually doubling up while the price is low. [18:08]
iz opposed to being intentionally ignorant about the causes [18:08]
thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [18:08]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 23 hours, 25 minutes, and 59 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [18:08]
thestringpuller ;;seen Bugpowder [18:08]
gribble Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 7 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: boooring [18:08]
taub there is zero point in knowing the cause of a move [18:08]
MJR__ I disagree [18:08]
thestringpuller $avg [18:08]
mpexbot thestringpuller: 146.86 [18:08]
taub it goes like this 99% of the time [18:08]
iz i disagree [18:08]
MJR__ info is always valuable [18:09]
taub smart money buys when price is slow and steady [18:09]
taub stupid money chaeses price up [18:09]
taub smart money gets upt at top [18:09]
taub repeat [18:09]
taub and that action is reflected in prices [18:09]
MJR__ yes, but picking tips and bottoms is where it gets hard [18:09]
taub and that you can trade [18:09]
iz well, you just looked at the causes... [18:09]
iz some of them [18:10]
iz there's more to it though [18:10]
taub that is one underlying cause to everything, i dont need to know it [18:10]
deadweasel cant pick tops/bottoms, onlu guesses [18:10]
taub well i dont care about those [18:10]
taub as long as it gets price to move, good then i can trade it [18:10]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [18:10]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 104.18044961 / 119.45293202 / 153.10362074 (28208 shares, 11,835.72 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [18:10]
MJR__ so...Walmart decides to implement PoS system for bitcoin...irrelevant cause? [18:10]
thestringpuller ;;calc 160-151 / 160 [18:11]
gribble 159.05625 [18:11]
thestringpuller ;;calc (160-151 )/ 160 [18:11]
gribble 0.05625 [18:11]
MJR__ or justifiable reason for price surge? [18:11]
abracadabra MJR_ link? [18:11]
taub what would that help me in trading? [18:11]
iz hypothetical [18:11]
MJR__ no...thought experiment [18:11]
MJR__ yes hypothetical [18:11]
thestringpuller MJR__: source? [18:11]
iz lol [18:11]
abracadabra heh [18:11]
abracadabra so...HomeDepot decides to implement PoS system for bitcoin...irrelevant cause? [18:12]
* abracadabra waits [18:12]
MJR__ lol [18:12]
abracadabra :) [18:12]
MJR__ just saying, im a big fan in investing in fundamentals [18:12]
MJR__ real reasons [18:12]
MJR__ not cuz I see a "cup and handle" or "head and shoulders" [18:13]
taub iz: there are endless approaches to trading, mine doesnt include analizing news and causes [18:13]
MJR__ taub: agreed, lots of ways to skin a cat [18:13]
saulimus MJR_, it can be used for timing [18:13]
taub i still get a feel for the "buzz" in irc, but it's usually just buzzing back what prices are showing already anyway [18:13]
MJR__ saulimus: I agree...just don't find it accurate FOR ME [18:14]
MJR__ is this the most efficient method for global finance...yes as of right now, what should that be worth? more than it currently is = buy [18:15]
MJR__ then again, I've told you my med term target $2700 [18:16]
thestringpuller MJR__: its not worth more thab 150 coin yet [18:16]
MJR__ people who get rich from volatility are exchanges and brokers [18:16]
* abracadabra places a sell at $2699.99 [18:16]
thestringpuller yup [18:16]
thestringpuller MJR__: you can also make money on stable prices [18:17]
taub deadweasel> cant pick tops/bottoms, onlu guesses, agreed [18:17]
MJR__ ^^ agree [18:17]
taub but you can certainly see areas where you don't want to buy anymore [18:17]
taub or sell [18:17]
MJR__ the best strategy so far in the stock market, over almost any 20 year period, would be broad based index fund, but and hold [18:18]
MJR__ buy* [18:18]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [18:18]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 158.33300, Best ask: 158.99990, Bid-ask spread: 0.66690, Last trade: 158.99990, 24 hour volume: 37140.60115126, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 159.00000, 24 hour vwap: 148.49438 [18:18]
thestringpuller ;;asks 160 [18:18]
gribble There are currently 1497.9519 bitcoins offered at or under 160.0 USD, worth 238716.812309 USD in total. | Data vintage: 81.7698 seconds [18:18]
thestringpuller ;;bids 155 [18:18]
gribble There are currently 1192.4376 bitcoins demanded at or over 155.0 USD, worth 185610.325603 USD in total. | Data vintage: 93.2826 seconds [18:18]
thestringpuller ;;bids 157 [18:18]
gribble There are currently 11.335636 bitcoins demanded at or over 157.0 USD, worth 1787.4288674 USD in total. | Data vintage: 98.0251 seconds [18:18]
taub thats maybe a very safe startegy, but not one with terrific returns [18:18]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: what do you think of torbroker? [18:19]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu is asleep non? [18:19]
MJR__ taub: it would have performed the best so far... [18:19]
MJR__ S&P, Dow, etc all time highs [18:19]
thestringpuller MJR__: stop speculating provide value to the community [18:20]
taub so you mean that would be the best buy and hold strategy [18:20]
MJR__ yes [18:20]
MJR__ thestringpuller: im not speculating [18:20]
taub i think he was being saracstic (i hope) [18:20]
MJR__ w/e [18:20]
MJR__ im saying but and hold is a great way to preserve and grow wealth [18:21]
thestringpuller taub: the best startegy is to write options at the beginning of the month that are safe, then at the end of the month buy options if there is a big move [18:21]
MJR__ ugh *buy [18:21]
thestringpuller diversify yo bonds [18:21]
taub writing options is very expensive :) [18:21]
MJR__ hehehe [18:21]
MJR__ too expensive IMO [18:21]
thestringpuller not really [18:21]
MJR__ collateral requirements [18:22]
MJR__ low ROI [18:22]
thestringpuller again not really [18:22]
MJR__ vs buying [18:22]
thestringpuller not really lol [18:22]
MJR__ all I've done is but calls [18:22]
MJR__ so far so good [18:22]
MJR__ fuck my phone! buy buy buy! [18:22]
thestringpuller i can make 1btc on 6 coins from writing [18:22]
thestringpuller at beginning of mobth [18:23]
MJR__ vs making 5 coins on 1 with buying? [18:23]
thestringpuller not at the beginning of the month [18:23]
thestringpuller time decay doesnt kick in until the 15th [18:23]
MJR__ well, I think I got 41 calls, not sure when, but I exercised at 71 [18:23]
thestringpuller that must have been last month [18:24]
MJR__ I like to leave bids out for calls at a price I think makes sense, get filled cuz of volatility [18:24]
MJR__ yep [18:24]
MJR__ month before I had calls in the 20's I think? [18:24]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 11 @ 0.39 = 4.29 BTC [+] [18:25]
thestringpuller yea last month price diverged from 24hprc 7 days before expiry so options were hella cheap [18:25]
MJR__ yep [18:25]
MJR__ but I didn't hold like I should have [18:25]
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thestringpuller Bugpowder went balls deep at C75 [18:25]
* MJR__ exercised at 71...could have exercised at 91+ [18:25]
MJR__ didn't follow my own advice and got "burned" [18:26]
thestringpuller i think that made 250% but only because it was so close to expiration [18:26]
MJR__ yeah [18:26]
MJR__ also I couldn't get options far enough out of the money [18:26]
MJR__ due to $75 strike limit [18:27]
thestringpuller timing the market is bad which is why writing options at the beginning of the month hedges if the price is stable [18:27]
MJR__ true [18:27]
MJR__ 100% agree [18:27]
MJR__ just don't like tying up the capital [18:27]
saulimus I know nothing of options, but are they that much more profitable than simply buying/selling USD/BTC directly? [18:27]
thestringpuller yea but what else would you use it foe? [18:27]
saulimus are they more risky? [18:27]
MJR__ buying calls lol [18:27]
thestringpuller saulimus: they are more risky [18:28]
saulimus so what's the advantage? [18:28]
MJR__ saulimus: they are derivatives, more risky greater possible returns [18:28]
thestringpuller saulimus: they depens on huge swings in price [18:28]
MJR__ many strategies possible [18:28]
thestringpuller saulimus: they provide more leverage on your "bet" [18:28]
thestringpuller example [18:28]
MJR__ short straddle means I want price to stay steady [18:28]
thestringpuller last week options at 75 went for .06 a contract [18:29]
thestringpuller break even point was thus 81 usd [18:29]
taub yea, they provide leverage, and there are advanced option strategies like making money as long as price moves somewhere (up or down) [18:29]
MJR__ calls? [18:29]
thestringpuller price shot up to 91 [18:29]
thestringpuller for every call you own you get 100% additional leverage as the peice rises [18:30]
MJR__ taub: yeah long straddle is my fave on earnings day [18:30]
thestringpuller straddles are for last resort [18:30]
thestringpuller for people who make bad put bets like Bugpowder [18:30]
thestringpuller jkjk [18:30]
MJR__ great for earnings...aapl and Netflix, you would have KILLED it last month [18:30]
MJR__ but in BTC way too expensive [18:31]
thestringpuller i did puts on aapl in oct [18:31]
thestringpuller then exited the market [18:31]
MJR__ nice [18:31]
taub do option prices go up on expected volatility MJR__ ? [18:31]
taub in real markets [18:31]
thestringpuller now I am doing strictly btc [18:31]
thestringpuller taub: depends on the underwriter [18:32]
MJR__ taub: they price volatility into it in black scholes [18:32]
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thestringpuller merill lynch may charge more than other etrade etc erx [18:32]
MJR__ which is what most use [18:32]
taub yea [18:32]
taub but where they get that volatility from :) [18:32]
taub probably use a bunch of methods [18:32]
MJR__ that can also be based on what numbers they pick for expected volatility [18:32]
taub historical as well as trying to predict it [18:32]
MJR__ exactly in other words crap shoot [18:32]
thestringpuller you take a duration like 10m or 1h or 7d and do high - low [18:33]
thestringpuller then put that into b-s formula and out pops a volatility greek [18:33]
MJR__ yep [18:33]
thestringpuller i was excited this weekend at price stability [18:33]
thestringpuller but looks like n00bs are rallying again [18:34]
MJR__ I think bitcoin is so volatile, that you could have a second order derivative of its volatility (fun) [18:34]
taub btc brings the finance geeks together [18:34]
MJR__ yep [18:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00285 = 0.0855 BTC [-] [18:34]
thestringpuller btc is educational [18:34]
thestringpuller for sure [18:34]
MJR__ very, that's one of my fave things about it [18:34]
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thestringpuller but soon it wont be a toy anymore [18:34]
MJR__ words of 2013: fiat, bitcoin, inflation, deflation [18:34]
thestringpuller second we hit 1k the world's billionaires will enter the game [18:34]
MJR__ they are starting now (some) [18:35]
mircea_popescu MJR__ i have no idea. [18:35]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: did you read about it? [18:35]
mircea_popescu it made it in the summaries yest or w/e [18:36]
thestringpuller ;;bids 158 [18:36]
gribble There are currently 347.35852 bitcoins demanded at or over 158.0 USD, worth 54924.5144862 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0049 seconds [18:36]
thestringpuller ;;asks 160 [18:36]
gribble There are currently 1059.539 bitcoins offered at or under 160.0 USD, worth 168977.500895 USD in total. | Data vintage: 14.9814 seconds [18:36]
MJR__ my main issue is that it is not "holdable", in that you must rely on govt to back up your property rights, while flaunting their regulation [18:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-] [18:37]
mircea_popescu MJR__ looky here : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168992.msg1762685#msg1762685 [18:37]
mircea_popescu same principle applies. [18:37]
thestringpuller !ticker h HIM [18:37]
mircea_popescu unknown party offering to steal your money ? [18:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.82000000 / 1.85673684 / 1.90000000 (19 shares, 35.27800000 BTC), 7D: 1.82000000 / 1.95105351 / 2.06000000 (114 shares, 222.42010000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.8417252 / 2.08000000 (706 shares, 1300.25799220 BTC) [18:37]
mircea_popescu pass. [18:37]
MJR__ full disclosure: you are a confidence man [18:38]
taub i'm sure he'll manage the coins, he just wont send them back [18:39]
* MJR__ thought he was only peddling "advice" [18:39]
MJR__ not actually requesting transfer [18:40]
taub Oh i see [18:40]
MJR__ anyway, tor broker is completely different [18:40]
MJR__ it's a brokerage account/ exchange with accounts in BTC allowing you to buy US equities [18:41]
MJR__ AAPL, BAC etc [18:41]
MJR__ Silk Road for Wall Street [18:41]
MJR__ problem is, SR can deliver physically, not sure it TB can [18:41]
MJR__ *if [18:42]
Bugpowder The best 'sounding board' for bitcoin investments is this channel… [18:42]
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taub seems uselss except for tax evasion [18:42]
MJR__ Bugpowder: true [18:43]
MJR__ well...lots of regulation on the stock market [18:43]
thestringpuller Bugpowder: you can be the chairman of calls [18:43]
MJR__ cutting off access to some [18:43]
taub depends where you live I guess, for example i think spread betting is still tax free in the uk [18:43]
MJR__ that's a CFD? [18:44]
MJR__ those are not allowed in US [18:44]
MJR__ USSA [18:44]
taub yea and you have that daytrading limit right [18:44]
taub wtf [18:44]
taub such nonesense [18:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7511 BTC [-] [18:45]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.751 BTC [-] [18:45]
mircea_popescu MJR__ completely different ? [18:46]
mircea_popescu how is it completely different. it works on the premise "i'm nobody give me dough". [18:46]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: are we talking about the same thing? [18:46]
mircea_popescu i fail to see any difference. [18:46]
mircea_popescu well i think so. how we check ? [18:47]
MJR__ torbroker: buy and sell equities using accounts denominated in bitcoin [18:47]
mircea_popescu right. [18:47]
jurov MJR__ the second order derivative of btc volatility does exist [18:47]
jurov it's MPBPT options on bitfunder [18:47]
MJR__ that guy: Skype chat and I'll give you financial advice [18:47]
jurov i don't say they are actually usable or not, tho [18:48]
MJR__ ah ok thanks jurov [18:48]
mircea_popescu so what difference do you see ? [18:48]
MJR__ that guy did not request transfer of bitcoin in public [18:48]
MJR__ whether that was a private thing, who can now [18:48]
MJR__ know* [18:49]
mircea_popescu right. [18:49]
mircea_popescu seems very slight. [18:49]
MJR__ so he didn't say "give me money" [18:49]
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MJR__ torbroker is saying want to sell your aapl stock for BTC? we can arrange a place for buyers and sellers to meet [18:50]
mircea_popescu so i can currently take a fiart position in any stock, fund, whatever, by calling my browser. [18:50]
mircea_popescu broker lol [18:50]
mircea_popescu yet i am going to send valuable btc to some anon noob. [18:50]
MJR__ ACAT it to another account I guess [18:50]
MJR__ escrow the transaction [18:50]
MJR__ once stock position is delivered, release BTC [18:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00065754 = 10.4549 BTC [-] [18:50]
mircea_popescu right. [18:51]
MJR__ not even in the same arena of finance... [18:51]
ThickAsThieves seems dumb to buy wall set stock with btc [18:51]
ThickAsThieves st [18:51]
mircea_popescu and then two years down the road be served with tax fraud, money laundering and rico conspiracy [18:51]
mircea_popescu on the confession of the escrow. [18:51]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: anonymous on tor network with BTC [18:51]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: have to research more [18:52]
mircea_popescu the stock you deliver is not anonymous. [18:52]
mircea_popescu dja understand that part ? [18:52]
MJR__ but can't be tied to transaction [18:52]
mircea_popescu it will be tied to something. [18:52]
MJR__ I can send my stock to whatever account I want iirc [18:52]
mircea_popescu sure. [18:52]
MJR__ as long as its not restricted [18:52]
mircea_popescu and then escrow confesses and you get charged. [18:52]
thestringpuller breaking news USD was just hacked: http://www.naijatrends.com/page_images/989731796_1347604230.jpg [18:53]
MJR__ I believe that's the point of tor... [18:53]
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MJR__ SR can confess to your escrow [18:53]
mircea_popescu but escrow must be able to verify transaction dood. [18:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00285 = 0.0143 BTC [-] [18:53]
mircea_popescu how does escrow know who to release to ? [18:53]
mircea_popescu lol thestringpuller [18:53]
MJR__ I was saying that stock is directly transferred [18:54]
MJR__ escrow is for BTC [18:54]
bitesak ;;ticker [18:54]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.00001, Best ask: 159.06500, Bid-ask spread: 0.06499, Last trade: 159.06500, 24 hour volume: 38316.07677332, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 159.50000, 24 hour vwap: 149.08608 [18:54]
mircea_popescu MJR_ escrow is for btc ?! [18:54]
jurov bitcoinity is back [18:54]
MJR__ but don't have all the details, long story short, a guy giving away advice for free and a black market for wall st are not related in any way [18:54]
mircea_popescu let's play this out cause apparently it's hard. A has 100 AAPL. B has 100 BTC. X is escrow. [18:55]
mircea_popescu A claims he's delivered 100 AAPL. B claims he never got it. [18:55]
mircea_popescu what does X do ? [18:55]
MJR__ hold on [18:55]
mircea_popescu there's nothing he can do. if he has a means to actually verify tx then it's not anon. [18:55]
mircea_popescu if it is anon then he can't verify. end of story. [18:55]
mircea_popescu and without viable escrow, the deal simply is, "i ar anon, send monyz plz thx" [18:56]
mircea_popescu which makes both the exact same thing, sobletters on the interwebs. [18:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.095 = 0.475 BTC [-] [18:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.102 BTC [+] [18:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.101 BTC [-] [18:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1005 BTC [-] [18:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1004 BTC [-] [18:57]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-] [18:57]
MJR__ one asking for money to be sent the other isn't [18:58]
MJR__ guess it comes down to how broad you want to paint the strokes [18:58]
MJR__ two humans talking, same thing [18:58]
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MJR__ I don't think it had to be anon to the parties involved [18:59]
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MJR__ just anon to the market outside those two parties [18:59]
MJR__ lets say I had 100 shares of aapl, but want bitcoin... [18:59]
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jurov MJR__: but the irl stock have to be on some irl account, not somewhere anonymously in the air [19:00]
gesell question, I would like to replicate some of dooglus work on monitoring Sdice... are the BitcoinArmory scripts updated to work with the new chain structure ? [19:00]
MJR__ jurov: I agree [19:00]
gesell i mean the new files for bitcoin-qt (the fact that the full old chain isnt there anymore) [19:00]
jurov ;;ticker [19:00]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.98500, Best ask: 160.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01500, Last trade: 160.00000, 24 hour volume: 38378.01921193, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 159.67001, 24 hour vwap: 149.13329 [19:00]
MJR__ it would be at DTC [19:00]
MJR__ lemme do more research before I speculate [19:01]
mircea_popescu gesell the script he;'s running is public. [19:01]
mircea_popescu ask him, he'll tell you [19:01]
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mircea_popescu MJR__ the issue are not the parties themselves, but the escrow. that's the leak here. [19:02]
cccjd Hello [19:03]
gesell mircea_popescu: thanks. will look deaper [19:03]
mircea_popescu hi. [19:03]
jurov cccjd: hi [19:03]
cccjd Anyone wanna trade BTC-E to PayPal [19:03]
jurov cccjd: next door #bitcoin-otc, please [19:03]
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gesell ;;ticker [19:04]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.99010, Best ask: 160.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00990, Last trade: 160.00000, 24 hour volume: 38378.01921193, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 159.67001, 24 hour vwap: 149.13329 [19:04]
gesell ;;ticker [19:04]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 160.00000, Best ask: 161.00000, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 160.00000, 24 hour volume: 38378.01921193, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 159.67001, 24 hour vwap: 149.13329 [19:04]
jurov mircea_popescu: not only escrow is the difference. if such scheme was done for mpex stocks, there isn't that legal liability [19:05]
gesell reeeally? as if bank transfers all game in on the weekend? [19:05]
gesell s/game/came [19:05]
mircea_popescu well that's because escrow could verify that a push was made. [19:05]
jurov gesell no, the ask side is very weak [19:06]
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jurov mircea_popescu ah yes that's a point. it's hard to do irl without revealing identity to escrow [19:07]
mircea_popescu and once you do, they can just go and testify. [19:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.776 BTC [+] [19:07]
mircea_popescu so escrow is a nonstarter there. [19:07]
MJR__ aha...they hold your positions [19:08]
MJR__ hence brokerage...similar to coinbr [19:09]
mircea_popescu MJR_ no, not similar. very very dissimilar. [19:09]
mircea_popescu in that coinbr is run by a known and trusted member [19:09]
mircea_popescu and this torbroker scam is not present here. [19:09]
MJR__ I have s.dice, do you see my position on mpex? [19:09]
MJR__ well, they have asked to put 1000btc into a trust that shows they have backing [19:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [+] [19:10]
mircea_popescu that does not show anything. [19:10]
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mircea_popescu there's a process to obtain a bitcoin financial license. [19:10]
mircea_popescu they aren't following it. [19:10]
jurov MJR__: you can push to escrow and show receipt [19:10]
jurov lol license.. can i have a licensed badge? [19:10]
MJR__ I meant that afaik mpex sees your account (gpg key) [19:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.777 = 1.554 BTC [+] [19:11]
MJR__ they don't see mine cuz I don't have one [19:11]
mircea_popescu ;;getrating jurov [19:11]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User jurov, rated since Fri Jan 20 16:16:32 2012. Cumulative rating 14, from 16 total ratings. Received ratings: 15 positive, 1 negative. Sent ratings: 10 positive, 1 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jurov [19:11]
MJR__ obviously it's based on trust [19:11]
mircea_popescu well ya. so random noob showing up on forum and proposing to "advise your wealth" or to "pls halp me r spanish mother of two" or to "supersikrit tor broker of irl securities" [19:12]
mircea_popescu pretty much all boils down to the same thing. [19:12]
ThickAsThieves ;;goxlag [19:12]
gribble MtGox lag is 75.580385 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.1514622453 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). [19:12]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [19:12]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 161.60000, Best ask: 162.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.40000, Last trade: 162.00000, 24 hour volume: 38378.01921193, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 159.67001, 24 hour vwap: 149.13329 [19:12]
MJR__ if you say so [19:12]
MJR__ I don't agree [19:12]
thestringpuller all time highs [19:12]
thestringpuller lol [19:12]
mircea_popescu i say and sign underneath. [19:12]
MJR__ there aims are not even remotely similar [19:12]
MJR__ *their [19:12]
mircea_popescu since when do we care what noobs *say* ? [19:13]
mircea_popescu talk is cheap, anyone can say anything. [19:13]
MJR__ first off, we have no idea who is running this yet...right? [19:13]
mircea_popescu we do. a scammer. [19:13]
thestringpuller " talk is cheap, anyone can say anything. " "What you say are just words, what matters is what you do" [19:13]
mircea_popescu meanwhile irl : "Blockbuster Lawsuit: Whistleblower Alleges Reuters Releases Data Early to HFT Clients" [19:14]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: it seems you are opposed to a ratings agency for BTC [19:15]
thestringpuller that is it would have to be established in conjunction with a pillar already in existence [19:16]
mircea_popescu there's nobody with the intellectual ability to do such a thing. [19:16]
thestringpuller not even yourself? [19:16]
mircea_popescu we have the wot system, it works just fine, why centralise ? [19:16]
mircea_popescu not even myself. [19:16]
thestringpuller WoT will be more like WEBS of Trust since what matters is "who you trust" in conjunction with "who they trust" [19:17]
mircea_popescu exactly. that's precisely what it is. [19:17]
mircea_popescu and the only way this works. [19:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 718 @ 0.000603 = 0.433 BTC [+] [19:17]
mircea_popescu rating agencies (irl) are notghing but organised shilling. [19:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 182 @ 0.000602 = 0.1096 BTC [-] [19:17]
thestringpuller haha [19:17]
mircea_popescu the US would be C- if they were actually rating. [19:17]
thestringpuller I thought the US was C- [19:18]
mod6 its like AA+ now i think [19:18]
mircea_popescu heh. [19:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.407 BTC [-] [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.406 = 1.218 BTC [-] [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.403 BTC [-] [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.401 = 1.604 BTC [-] [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 5 @ 0.4 = 2 BTC [-] [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4 BTC [-] [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4 = 0.8 BTC [-] [19:19]
thestringpuller !ticker H VTX [19:19]
assbot [HAVELOCK:VTX] 1D: 0.40000000 / 0.41804054 / 0.44000000 (37 shares, 15.46749990 BTC), 7D: 0.36000000 / 0.47882522 / 0.61488800 (1057 shares, 506.11825911 BTC), 30D: 0.36000000 / 0.43457139 / 0.79900000 (13364 shares, 5807.61206815 BTC) [19:19]
mod6 but then i guess there's this that says: On September 14, 2012, Egan-Jones cut its rating a third time from AA to AA-, the lowest of what is considered "high grade", as a reaction to QE3. [19:19]
mod6 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_government_credit-rating_downgrade [19:19]
mod6 so clearly some bs. [19:19]
mircea_popescu http://www.resilience.org/stories/2006-12-04/closing-collapse-gap-ussr-was-better-prepared-collapse-us [19:20]
mircea_popescu this is actually a pretty good read. [19:20]
thestringpuller mod6 shoudln't you be working? [19:20]
thestringpuller don't you have some test cases to run? [19:20]
thestringpuller jkjk [19:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [+] [19:20]
jurov he's compiling [19:20]
jurov or driving lol [19:20]
thestringpuller XD [19:20]
jurov = free time [19:20]
thestringpuller the rally is on [19:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.C164T] 10 @ 0.15965531 = 1.5966 BTC [+] [19:25]
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thestringpuller MPOE bot just made some money... [19:26]
thestringpuller !ticker m ^OIX [19:26]
assbot [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 104.18044961 / 119.46513967 / 153.12818005 (28218 shares, 11,837.32 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [19:26]
jurov $depth O.USD.C164T [19:27]
mpexbot jurov: O.USD.C164T Bids: ['1000 @ 0.07139093'] [19:27]
mpexbot jurov: Asks: ['990 @ 0.15965531'] [19:27]
MJR__ ;;ticker [19:27]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 160.01002, Best ask: 161.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.98998, Last trade: 161.00000, 24 hour volume: 40447.90337002, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 149.81158 [19:27]
MJR__ low volume..."rally" is impatient people who don't want to wait till Monday for some depth [19:28]
MJR__ opposite of weekend dip now, interesting trend shift [19:28]
ThickAsThieves ;;estimate [19:28]
gribble Next difficulty estimate | 8796662.53748 based on data since last change | 8366350.18727 based on data for last three days [19:28]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/320831586335612928 [19:29]
mircea_popescu if anyone wants to put that tweet on the chart timeline... [19:29]
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MJR__ I retweeted that this morning [19:30]
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mod6 i had half a mind to troll that tweet [19:31]
mod6 since you were like bitcon stahp!! [19:31]
MJR__ yeah lol [19:31]
mircea_popescu hehe [19:31]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you really don't look that old in your pictures... [19:32]
thestringpuller I feel like you're in your 30's [19:33]
mircea_popescu i am. [19:33]
MJR__ lol I thought he was [19:33]
thestringpuller you had me thinking you were like 60 [19:33]
jurov HAHAHAHAHAHA [19:33]
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MJR__ it must be all that "damn kids get off my lawn" [19:33]
mircea_popescu lol [19:34]
mircea_popescu prolly you thought only old people can have black cock [19:34]
jurov LONG, BLACK AND DENSELY VEINED [19:35]
jurov oops capslock [19:35]
mircea_popescu lmao did drool press caps ? [19:35]
MJR__ By declaring bitcoin illegal because bitcoins provide a way to avoid taxes the government is saying that bitcoin is a great way to avoid paying taxes. It works at transmitting and saving money anonymously. What an endorsement. "Bitcoin works so please don't use it." [19:37]
MJR__ great quote [19:37]
mircea_popescu hehe [19:38]
MJR__ Streisand effect [19:38]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.83 = 9.15 BTC [-] [19:39]
thestringpuller :( [19:40]
thestringpuller !ticker h HIM [19:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.82000000 / 1.84904348 / 1.90000000 (23 shares, 42.52800000 BTC), 7D: 1.82000000 / 1.94542458 / 2.06000000 (118 shares, 229.56010000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.84164275 / 2.08000000 (711 shares, 1309.40799220 BTC) [19:40]
mircea_popescu i wonder how many people realise just what a formbidable threat to stability and ultimately survival JIT is for the US. [19:42]
thestringpuller Just in time compilation? [19:42]
mircea_popescu the entire economy is run on the jsut in time model. [19:43]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.138 = 0.276 BTC [-] [19:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.138 BTC [-] [19:44]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: don't you have to do that when you are leveraged at such a high rate? [19:45]
mircea_popescu well whether you have to or not, it still makes you vulnerable [19:46]
mod6 ;;bids 150 [19:46]
gribble There are currently 3658.0807 bitcoins demanded at or over 150.0 USD, worth 554865.745375 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0104 seconds [19:46]
mod6 not bad [19:47]
MJR__ I agree totally, and although credit and debt will creep into bitcoin more, I think that doing something 100:1 in BTC will seem ridiculous for a long term strategy [19:49]
MJR__ think US banks are around 50:1 [19:49]
MJR__ and tor broker holds your position for you [19:49]
mircea_popescu MJR__ heh. [19:50]
MJR__ think they have a Cayman Islands brokerage account [19:50]
MJR__ and it seems reasonably certain that they are one of the operators of a minor BTC exchange [19:50]
mircea_popescu basically they'll take btc and the day net outflow > net inflow they're gone. [19:50]
MJR__ maybe... [19:50]
MJR__ but if everyone had that mentality there's be no gox or mpex... [19:51]
MJR__ correct? [19:51]
mircea_popescu not really. [19:52]
mircea_popescu not unless the guy's name actually is Tor. [19:52]
MJR__ if everyone assumed that tux or you would definitely run off with money... [19:52]
mircea_popescu but tux is a name. [19:52]
mircea_popescu "torbroker" is a throwaway forum account. [19:53]
mircea_popescu there's this post the girl keeps linking the noobs to. [19:53]
mircea_popescu they say o sure i read it, but persevere. [19:53]
mircea_popescu and then are never heard from again [19:53]
MJR__ ah, so you think that the fact I know the name "Mircea Popescu" makes me feel safe? [19:53]
mircea_popescu i don't care how it makes you feel, this isn't about feelings. [19:53]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what post is that? [19:53]
MJR__ im saying anyone could disappear [19:53]
thestringpuller the "So you wanna start a bitcoin business" ? [19:54]
mircea_popescu there;'s somebody with a track record to judge based on. [19:54]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller yeah. [19:54]
MJR__ what was pirates OTC rating? [19:54]
mircea_popescu MJR__ this is also a discredited argument. one second [19:54]
MJR__ did he have a forum account? [19:54]
MJR__ mircea_popescu: thanks [19:54]
jurov MJR__: yes he had, but it's not total score that counts [19:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: if you found the "collapse gap" piece interesting, read Orlov's full length discussion "Post-Soviet Lessons": https://docs.google.com/document/d/1M56LtVzVcYJSMGKm5CV2RcePETqK1BwvF-Pb5AkdTXM/ [19:55]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's funny how soviet-patriotic he is hehe. [19:55]
mircea_popescu i mean, he makes little... adjustments. [19:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: he's more (vaguely) Slavophilic than pro-Soviet. [19:56]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.776 = 1.552 BTC [-] [19:58]
mircea_popescu MJR__ https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110861.msg1227871#msg1227871 [19:59]
mircea_popescu see the last coupla paragraphs [19:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.P149T] 1000 @ 0.13686145 = 136.8615 BTC [-] [20:01]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.P146T] 1000 @ 0.12462497 = 124.625 BTC [-] [20:01]
MJR__ good post [20:01]
assbot [MPEX] [O.USD.P143T] 1000 @ 0.11204236 = 112.0424 BTC [-] [20:02]
MJR__ does not change my original point [20:02]
MJR__ trust must be bootstrapped [20:02]
mircea_popescu right. [20:02]
MJR__ if EVERYONE did not risk trust in mpex, how could it start? [20:02]
MJR__ better phrasing if no one decided to trust it [20:02]
mircea_popescu nobody did decide to t5rust it [20:03]
mircea_popescu they were on glbse [20:03]
MJR__ yes...but now you hold the shares in sdice... [20:03]
MJR__ we trust you will pay options out... [20:03]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [+] [20:03]
MJR__ am I missing something? I trust you more or less implicitly in this space [20:04]
MJR__ but, that had to be built over time, which means at some point, someone decided to trust and risk [20:04]
mircea_popescu yhou are seeing the results of a war [20:04]
mircea_popescu and imagine it is the rtesult of natural evoltyion. [20:05]
MJR__ im aware [20:05]
mircea_popescu not so. [20:05]
mircea_popescu mpex was built by me, and joined by people who only had any trust in btc because i said so. [20:05]
mircea_popescu the btc people were flocked on glbse. [20:05]
MJR__ not natural evolution [20:05]
MJR__ but go on [20:05]
mircea_popescu their boat sunk. i won. my people, who are in btc because they trusted me and i trusted btc, [20:05]
mircea_popescu were left standing. [20:05]
mircea_popescu the btc investors were left in shambles. [20:06]
MJR__ yes, but that doesn't obviate the need for trust in you [20:06]
mircea_popescu the story will repeat itself. either you have the power to draw sufficient force from outside [20:06]
mircea_popescu or else you do what the holders of trust say you must do. [20:06]
mircea_popescu it obviates the need for me to ASK to be trusted. [20:06]
MJR__ you've proven it, I agree [20:06]
MJR__ looking back it's easy to see [20:07]
mircea_popescu i simply moved capital (of trust, of fiat, of w/e_) from irl to btc. [20:07]
mircea_popescu i already had it, tho. [20:07]
MJR__ yes [20:07]
bgupta ;;ticker [20:07]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 156.89999, Best ask: 157.08000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18001, Last trade: 156.89999, 24 hour volume: 45819.40710651, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 150.64715 [20:07]
MJR__ so if they have 1000 BTC to start (not a lot) [20:07]
MJR__ and they say we will put this up as collateral [20:07]
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jurov MJR__: the trust was bootstrapped upon mircea having workable scheme from MPOE [20:07]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.208 = 2.416 BTC [+] [20:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7200 @ 0.00066566 = 4.7928 BTC [+] [20:08]
MJR__ with smickles [20:08]
jurov *from -> for [20:08]
MJR__ or nanotube [20:08]
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MJR__ or even mpex [20:08]
mircea_popescu MJR__ were you here when we discussed with cads something similar yest ? [20:08]
MJR__ yep [20:08]
MJR__ hence my point [20:08]
mircea_popescu ok. the problem is tghey are flashing 1k btc. nobody cares. [20:08]
mircea_popescu if they simultaneously limited investment to no more than that it'd help. [20:08]
MJR__ I care up to 1k BTC [20:08]
mircea_popescu as it is... it's nothing. any scammer can (and indeed would) do that. [20:08]
MJR__ well that was my obvious point [20:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000658 BTC [+] [20:09]
MJR__ I would assume they would only go up to that point [20:09]
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MJR__ maybe that's false [20:09]
mircea_popescu assume. assume nothing. [20:09]
mircea_popescu never, ever, assume. [20:09]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000603 BTC [-] [20:09]
MJR__ well, I agree, my point was only can you not trust them up to their reserve [20:09]
mircea_popescu and jurov has a good sidepoint there : my system made sense. the system whereby you buy fiat stocks in btc makes none. [20:10]
MJR__ and I say yes [20:10]
mircea_popescu sure you can trust them up to their reserve. [20:10]
mircea_popescu you familiar with the shakaru case ? [20:10]
MJR__ I fail to see how that doesn't make sense [20:10]
MJR__ no [20:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000658 BTC [+] [20:10]
mircea_popescu [\] hey how much did you ever pay back off the shakaru fund ? [20:10]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00309 = 0.0927 BTC [+] [20:11]
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assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000603 BTC [-] [20:12]
MJR__ what I would say, and I don't want to delve into the relative pros and cons, is that DPR and SR, managed to create a market using trust...this is more similar to that [20:12]
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MJR__ I mean of SR specifically [20:12]
mircea_popescu i don't think so. [20:12]
mircea_popescu i can legally and safely buy securities right now. [20:13]
MJR__ you can [20:13]
MJR__ others can't [20:13]
mircea_popescu i can't legally and safely buy whatever pills the sr kids do [20:13]
mircea_popescu others that can't also shouldn [20:13]
mircea_popescu 't [20:13]
MJR__ lol, there is where we disagree [20:13]
mircea_popescu well. whty can't they ? [20:13]
MJR__ I say it's a market [20:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [+] [20:13]
MJR__ regulation [20:13]
mircea_popescu specifically. [20:14]
MJR__ series 7, series 56 [20:14]
MJR__ criminal record [20:14]
mircea_popescu dood, just open an amex acct. [20:14]
MJR__ wrong country [20:14]
mircea_popescu what, this torbroker dood is a direct broker now. [20:14]
MJR__ whoever they are, they have some etrade account or w/e [20:15]
mircea_popescu right. [20:15]
MJR__ they'll use their access [20:15]
MJR__ to allow others to do anon stock trades [20:15]
mircea_popescu so the huge counterparty risk they introduce is for the sake of sharing an etrade acct ?! whoa. [20:15]
MJR__ I have inside info [20:15]
MJR__ don't want MY name on this trade [20:15]
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MJR__ or, I want to do this quietly to not spook the market (obviously not now, too small) [20:16]
MJR__ there is value in anon trades [20:16]
ChaangNoi zup [20:16]
mircea_popescu so what is normally accomplished by a complex system opf people who make millions in fgees [20:16]
mircea_popescu is ghoing to be done just as wewll by a kid and his etrade acct. [20:16]
ChaangNoi feel good to be a gangsta eh? [20:17]
mircea_popescu which will be flagged in every sec insider trader investigation from now on. [20:17]
MJR__ well, we'll see [20:17]
MJR__ are you a fan of the SEC? im not [20:17]
mircea_popescu makes no difference, that. [20:17]
MJR__ if you can do as you wish with your $ or BTC [20:17]
MJR__ then im for it [20:17]
MJR__ do you think rules are in place to protect the little guy? [20:18]
mircea_popescu plenty of rules are in place to protect the stupid little guy. [20:18]
MJR__ maybe a few tokens... [20:18]
MJR__ overall system is designed to benefit the big guy [20:18]
mircea_popescu in any game of straight no limit poker the larger stash has better odds. [20:19]
MJR__ and...without knowing who is behind this, or what exactly they are doing and how well, I would say that I can picture a scenario where it works [20:19]
mircea_popescu this is not by design of the game of poker. this is because being bigger means you are better. [20:20]
MJR__ and many where it doesn't [20:20]
ChaangNoi ;;asks 165 [20:20]
gribble There are currently 3155.8286 bitcoins offered at or under 165.0 USD, worth 513901.693219 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds [20:20]
mod6 so i brewed this cup of coffee an hour ago and forgot about it... [20:20]
mircea_popescu ChaangNoi it corrected. [20:20]
ChaangNoi it was the weekend dump, finaly [20:21]
ChaangNoi week however it was [20:21]
ChaangNoi weak [20:21]
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ChaangNoi bfl shipped yet? [20:22]
MJR__ so, only point is that a see a scenario where it could work, therefore not a stupid plan, though it may be stupidly implemented and fail [20:22]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [-] [20:23]
mircea_popescu i think your scenario is livresque. [20:23]
MJR__ lol [20:24]
MJR__ perhaps [20:24]
MJR__ but I think it's been proven that there will be many failures and a few successes [20:25]
mircea_popescu this is not statistically distributed. [20:25]
mircea_popescu there are a lot of failures which can be readily identified by the fact they're not successes [20:26]
MJR__ so I wouldn't throw out everything, and miss a success [20:26]
mircea_popescu and a few successes which are obvious since day one. [20:26]
mircea_popescu uyou can [20:26]
mircea_popescu t miss a success. [20:26]
MJR__ which have been obvious? [20:26]
mircea_popescu all of them. no exceptions. [20:26]
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MJR__ gox was obvious? [20:26]
MJR__ is obvious? [20:26]
MJR__ there is no question of their current success [20:27]
mircea_popescu so then what part of obvious you have tyrouible with :D [20:27]
MJR__ they suck, I would have written them off [20:27]
mircea_popescu they suck, sure. but thast's not what we're discussing. [20:28]
MJR__ ok, I don't think their business model looked sustainable [20:28]
MJR__ still don't [20:28]
MJR__ I guess "success" is relative [20:29]
mircea_popescu being the first to offer exchange services is not sustainable ? [20:29]
MJR__ and dependent on time scale [20:29]
mircea_popescu their busienss model is fine. their execution inept as all hell, but they have a model. [20:29]
MJR__ Eastman Kodak was successful until they weren't [20:29]
mircea_popescu we are merely trying to distinguish business from fraud here. [20:30]
MJR__ as was barings [20:30]
MJR__ ok [20:30]
MJR__ fair enough [20:30]
MJR__ I would say that torbroker seems definitely not fraudulent [20:30]
MJR__ if their services are useful , they'll do ok [20:31]
MJR__ we can agree to disagree on that [20:32]
MJR__ but without any evidence of fraud, I can't call them fraudulent [20:32]
mircea_popescu on what basis do you say that it "seems definitely not fraudulent" ? [20:32]
mircea_popescu i can. [20:32]
mircea_popescu without satisfyiong my criteria, they are a fraud. [20:32]
MJR__ I've seen no evidence of fraud [20:32]
mircea_popescu fraud is evidenced by default. [20:32]
MJR__ ah ok [20:32]
MJR__ everyone is fraudulent by default [20:33]
mircea_popescu absolutely. [20:33]
mircea_popescu this is bitcoin. occam's razor. [20:33]
MJR__ true [20:33]
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mircea_popescu invitation to invest, but neglects to share business plan ? it's a ponzi. [20:33]
MJR__ I guess I distinguish between fraudulent and trustworthy [20:33]
mircea_popescu not a suspected ponzi, niot a possible ponzi, it is a ponzi i nfact. [20:33]
mod6 (10:30) < MJR__> I would say that torbroker seems definitely not fraudulent << i read about this. sounds great until they scam out like TorWallet [20:34]
mod6 TorWallet got me for like 5 BTC [20:34]
MJR__ hence...all hedge funds are ponzis [20:34]
mircea_popescu i distinguish too. it's not that they're not trustworthy. it's that they're fraudulent. [20:34]
mod6 that was me just testin the water there, but that was dumb. [20:34]
mod6 thats the only time i've gotten scammed [20:34]
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MJR__ mod6: sorry to hear it [20:34]
mod6 it happens. [20:35]
MJR__ I think we disagree on the fundamental definition of fraud [20:35]
MJR__ so impossible to progress [20:35]
mircea_popescu yeah. [20:35]
mircea_popescu what's your definition ? [20:35]
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MJR__ fraud is intentional deception made for personal gain or to damage another individual [20:36]
MJR__ intentional being the key word [20:36]
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mircea_popescu absolutely. [20:37]
mircea_popescu torbroker misrepresenting itself as a broker. [20:37]
mircea_popescu that's it. [20:37]
bgupta ;;ticker [20:38]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 155.50000, Best ask: 156.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50000, Last trade: 156.00000, 24 hour volume: 49176.84450064, 24 hour low: 142.01000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 151.19257 [20:38]
bgupta new ath.. [20:38]
MJR__ actus non facit reum nisi mens sit rea [20:38]
mircea_popescu tyes well. man's thoughts can not be on trial since the devil himself doesn't know what man thinks. [20:38]
MJR__ no culpability without malintent [20:38]
* MJR__ agreed [20:38]
mircea_popescu their deception is intentional. [20:39]
mircea_popescu that it intends to harm or it merely intends to deceive is irrelevant. [20:39]
MJR__ but I don't think their intent is to deceive for their own benefit [20:39]
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MJR__ or to deceive at all [20:39]
mircea_popescu but in fact they do deceive, and it is to their benefit. [20:39]
MJR__ they say: [20:39]
mircea_popescu what do you mean at all ? they claim to be a btc business. they're not. [20:39]
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MJR__ Pick a security to long or short. At the next market opening, we will mirror your position on the real market. [20:40]
MJR__ Pick a security to long or short. At the next market opening, we will mirror your position... [20:40]
mircea_popescu MJR_ does this thing purport to be a bitcoin busienss ? [20:40]
MJR__ no [20:40]
MJR__ not that I know of [20:40]
mircea_popescu ... [20:40]
MJR__ they accept bitcoins [20:40]
mircea_popescu then why are we discussing it. [20:40]
mircea_popescu aha. [20:41]
mircea_popescu that counts. [20:41]
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MJR__ so every store that accepts dollars is a dollar business? [20:41]
mircea_popescu yep. [20:41]
mircea_popescu ask the us govt. [20:41]
MJR__ in the business of dollars? or using dollars to transact [20:41]
MJR__ I suppose [20:41]
mircea_popescu it's a dollars busines. if it fails to follow the dollar rules it will be a criminal operation. [20:42]
mircea_popescu pretty clear cut. [20:42]
MJR__ anyone who "brokers" will be in two different businesses [20:42]
mircea_popescu sucks for them i guess. [20:42]
MJR__ like SR [20:42]
MJR__ no question about legality [20:42]
MJR__ I don't define my morals by the law, and could care less what they decide...as long as it doesn't affect me [20:43]
mircea_popescu point still remains. dollar business thart fails to follow dollar rules => criominal enterprise. [20:43]
mircea_popescu btc business that fails to fgollow btc rules => fraudulent operation aka scam. [20:43]
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MJR__ with anonymity, I could care less whether they rule it "homosexual" or "illegal" or "whatever" [20:43]
MJR__ who enforces BTC rules? [20:44]
mircea_popescu btc users. [20:44]
MJR__ what's the applicable rule they are breaking? [20:44]
mircea_popescu not in the wot. not known to actual btc businesspeople. [20:44]
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MJR__ is DPR in the WoT? I actually don't know [20:45]
mircea_popescu not followed mpoe-pr's guide for aspiring noobies. [20:45]
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mircea_popescu what's dpr ? [20:45]
MJR__ dread pirate Roberts [20:45]
mircea_popescu nope. [20:45]
MJR__ SR operator [20:45]
mod6 ^^^ [20:46]
MJR__ well, he operates a trustworthy business apparently [20:46]
mircea_popescu niot really. [20:46]
MJR__ been around far longer than most [20:46]
MJR__ and no one complains [20:46]
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mircea_popescu this is true. [20:46]
mircea_popescu no one trusts it much, either. [20:46]
mircea_popescu kinda the nature of that beast, like the outhouse. [20:47]
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MJR__ so...I see scenarios where people provide an honest service, and those who participate, do [20:47]
MJR__ hey, I agree [20:47]
MJR__ and there is a huge difference between legal and illegal [20:47]
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mircea_popescu im sure whoever uses sr trusts the pirate guy. [20:48]
mircea_popescu they [20:48]
MJR__ only point was its possible (as of the time of this post) to run an illegal business honestly, and anonymously [20:49]
mircea_popescu 're the periphery of btc, if indeed part of it at all. seems mostly accidental and well... who cares. [20:49]
MJR__ are they a bitcoin business? [20:49]
mircea_popescu not in the sense we're discussing here. [20:49]
mircea_popescu they're not taking loans, not selling equity, etc. [20:49]
MJR__ lol, but they accept bitcoins, torbroker has not mentioned equity or loans [20:49]
MJR__ in BTC [20:50]
makomk malaimo maximian metabyte mETa midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MJR_ MJR__ MJR_III mod6 mpexbot [20:50]
makomk malaimo maximian metabyte mETa midnightmagic MiningBuddy mircea_popescu MJR_ MJR__ MJR_III mod6 mpexbot [20:50]
mircea_popescu MJR__ torbroker has carefully avoiding making plain the fact that all customer positions are loans to it. [20:50]
mircea_popescu diofferent kettle of fish. [20:50]
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MJR__ simply the coinsforpizza of stock [20:50]
mircea_popescu nope. [20:50]
MJR__ we can agree to disagree [20:50]
mircea_popescu well we can, but not when the facts are clearly on one side. [20:51]
MJR__ wait how? [20:51]
ThickAsThieves this conversation is really going places [20:51]
MJR__ you are not loaning your position to them [20:51]
mircea_popescu this torbroker thing takes your 10 btc, buys stocks for them which it holds. [20:51]
mircea_popescu that's not coinforpizza, that's savings and loans. [20:51]
MJR__ like any broker on earth [20:51]
mircea_popescu mno. [20:51]
MJR__ like mpex does [20:51]
mircea_popescu yes. [20:51]
MJR__ or coinbr [20:51]
mircea_popescu sure/ [20:51]
MJR__ ok [20:51]
MJR__ so no prob so far? [20:52]
mircea_popescu absolutely a huge problem [20:52]
jurov nah, coinbr is homosexual scam [20:52]
mircea_popescu torbroker is a scam trying to abuse a legitimate model./ [20:52]
MJR__ jurov: hahaha [20:52]
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MJR__ again, scam would be using broker model, running off with positions and coins [20:53]
MJR__ haven't done that...yet [20:53]
mircea_popescu look. this is like a teenager declaring themselves a surgeon. [20:53]
mircea_popescu never went to doctor school [20:53]
mircea_popescu doesn't have the doctor diploma [20:53]
mircea_popescu but he [20:53]
mircea_popescu 's "just like surgeons" [20:53]
MJR__ like every fucking other BTC business out there [20:53]
mircea_popescu well... no. not at all. [20:53]
mircea_popescu nope. [20:53]
jurov MJR__ i don't get it too. what information do you have that convinced you it's certainly legit? [20:53]
mircea_popescu this equivocation is pretty much why it's a scam. [20:53]
MJR__ except mpex of course [20:53]
MJR__ jurov: not sure either way, agnostic. point being, innocent until proven guilty [20:54]
mircea_popescu that's not workable in btc. [20:54]
jurov ^agree [20:54]
mircea_popescu but i think as you get burned you'll learn for yourself. [20:54]
MJR__ I never said I'd use them [20:54]
mircea_popescu btc has a learning curve even if it doesn't feel like it does. [20:54]
MJR__ just said that I can see a scenario where they deliver as promised [20:55]
mircea_popescu this is how people like kludge ended up burned. they felt like they knew. [20:55]
mircea_popescu i didn't say you'd get burned with this specific one [20:55]
mircea_popescu just, as you get burned, you'll see the presumption of guilt is the correct approach. [20:55]
MJR__ im saying risk what you can afford to lose [20:55]
MJR__ build up trust [20:55]
mircea_popescu why risk ? [20:55]
MJR__ ok... [20:55]
mircea_popescu well ? [20:56]
jurov just play sd [20:56]
mircea_popescu noriskthere tm [20:56]
MJR__ what is to actually physically stop anyone from taking their coins dumping on mt gox and retiring to a beach town in the Caribbean [20:56]
MJR__ what can actually guarantee me that mpex cannot do that [20:57]
mircea_popescu nothing. [20:57]
MJR__ I see nothing that provides me an FDIC guarantee on an account [20:57]
MJR__ ok [20:57]
mod6 nothing, really. if mircea_popescu run's i guess we're screwed, but we can rate him down in the WoT forever. [20:57]
MJR__ we agree [20:57]
mod6 *runs [20:58]
MJR__ and im sure he could cry about on the beach [20:58]
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MJR__ like pirate is doing now [20:58]
mod6 but he's here, and he says he wont, and he says he's interested in making this new econ work, not trying to hose it over. [20:58]
MJR__ oh no the BTC people don't like me [20:58]
mircea_popescu that guy is definitely coming back. [20:58]
mircea_popescu he sold under 10 im sure. [20:58]
MJR__ and I TRUST him [20:58]
mircea_popescu it's KILLIONG HIM now [20:58]
MJR__ lol I agree [20:59]
MJR__ I trust mircea_popescu [20:59]
mod6 lol especially since he had like 500k BTC [20:59]
mod6 what an idiot [20:59]
MJR__ and jurov [20:59]
jurov MJR__: at least you have us here for months, can make some judgememnt about our character [20:59]
mircea_popescu mod6 i dfon [20:59]
mircea_popescu 't think that much but still . yeah. [20:59]
jurov not that torbroker kid [20:59]
MJR__ well... [20:59]
MJR__ Mary Jo is no joke [20:59]
mircea_popescu MJR__ let's try a different approach, maybe sex works better. [20:59]
MJR__ lol [20:59]
mircea_popescu there's a girl that says she looks good, but will never pose naked. [20:59]
mircea_popescu you believe girls look good till proven otherwise ? [21:00]
MJR__ ok [21:00]
mircea_popescu is this ogre a stunner just because she's carefully avoiding the flash ? [21:00]
MJR__ well...not sure the level of dumbness built into this [21:00]
MJR__ but I can usually tell whether a girl will be gross or hot even with a raincoat on [21:01]
jurov good for ya. consider starting a rating agency for yourself then. [21:01]
MJR__ I highly doubt the girl I assumed to be 110 was actually 300 [21:01]
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MJR__ but if we are saying empiricism is key and not rationality... [21:01]
MJR__ sure [21:02]
MJR__ I can't trust her till I see her naked [21:02]
MJR__ (though why I want to try, my motives, make no sense) [21:02]
MJR__ but I see your point, my point is that she may not want her dad knowing she is showing her juicy bits to everyone [21:03]
mircea_popescu then she's not old enough to be here. [21:03]
MJR__ does that make her not hot? [21:03]
mircea_popescu yes. [21:03]
MJR__ the dad is the SEC [21:03]
mircea_popescu i dun care who her dad is. [21:04]
MJR__ lol [21:04]
mircea_popescu if she cares what he thinks she's not tall enough to ride. [21:04]
jurov also, not taking into consideration all the other no-no flags, that broker is targeting people who think divesting BTC into stocks is a good idea [21:04]
MJR__ so Americans who care about legal ramifications should avoid shady areas of bitcoin, we agree [21:04]
mircea_popescu yeah. [21:04]
jurov not sure how to make sexual analogy for it [21:04]
mircea_popescu jurov butts [21:04]
MJR__ jurov: lol [21:05]
MJR__ I love these discussions [21:05]
MJR__ for moments like those [21:05]
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MJR__ im saying, is it useful: to some yes, is it possible: yes, is anonymity necessary in this case: yes [21:06]
MJR__ have they tried to make a good faith gesture to the community: yes [21:06]
MJR__ so, I don't judge [21:06]
MJR__ hope they do it well [21:07]
MJR__ and turn out to be legit [21:07]
MJR__ best of luck to them, worst of luck to Mary Jo [21:07]
punkman I think they will either run away with the coins, or lose everything due to incompetence [21:08]
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MJR__ Mary jo white: chairman of SEC [21:08]
MJR__ we'll see...I am not vouching for them. if they put up 1k bitcoins, is trust them up to 1k bitcoins [21:09]
MJR__ one thing to notice about this idea, is that people are more scared about this than SR... [21:10]
jurov just btw: http://bitbet.us/bet/314/bitcointalk-org-treasurer-to-be-scammer-tagged/?ref=1EteoRKNYbNhhmFfsKnUSWRF3JUpKCcMnc [21:10]
jurov also something to be scared about [21:11]
mod6 whos that like Theymos or whatever? [21:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.39 = 0.78 BTC [-] [21:13]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 7 @ 0.2 = 1.4 BTC [+] [21:13]
jurov mod6 yes theymos is providing interest free loans [21:13]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 5 @ 1.83 = 9.15 BTC [-] [21:14]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.39 BTC [-] [21:15]
jurov MJR__ the risks that make ppl afraid of torbroker were thoroughly explained by mp... [21:15]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.82 = 3.64 BTC [-] [21:16]
MJR__ jurov: I agree, being scared and being scammed are two completely different things [21:16]
jurov on SR at least you can assume is in mutual interest of both parties not to get busted [21:16]
MJR__ and it ends up requiring trust regardless [21:16]
MJR__ same in this scenario I think [21:16]
MJR__ unlicensed broker vs insider trading or w/e [21:17]
mod6 jurov: hmm. ok thx. [21:17]
MJR__ so far no treasurer has been scammer tagged right? [21:17]
thestringpuller ;;seen smickles [21:17]
gribble smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 2 hours, 35 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm [21:17]
jurov lol not afaik [21:17]
MJR__ didn't know everyone on the list [21:17]
MJR__ anyways, im against regulation that stifles growth and increases cost [21:18]
MJR__ it's sacred that your vote is anonymous but my stock transactions can't be? [21:18]
MJR__ was trying to figure out how to work in "or the terrorists win"... [21:19]
jurov that's another discussion. [21:20]
MJR_III lol [21:20]
MJR_III moved to other computer, still me [21:21]
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mjr___ there [21:21]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-bitcoiners-press-manual/#comment-92639 [21:24]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.38100001 BTC [-] [21:25]
mircea_popescu somebody on sa was proposing the theory that theymoos is preparing to steal the forum funds [21:25]
mircea_popescu and is looking for patsies to do it, hence the bizzare forum loan thing. [21:26]
mircea_popescu that's how that bet was born [21:26]
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jurov oh, i rather put the bet on natural decay premise [21:26]
jurov and past performance. no need for conspirations here [21:27]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27700001 BTC [-] [21:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.277 = 1.108 BTC [-] [21:29]
AndroUser ;;ticker [21:29]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 160.88000, Best ask: 161.19990, Bid-ask spread: 0.31990, Last trade: 160.88000, 24 hour volume: 52201.20570405, 24 hour low: 142.10000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 151.86806 [21:29]
ChaangNoi .277 hmm [21:29]
mjr___ mircea_popescu: good article, but i feel like it doesn't account for the "sheepness" of americans, see: stanford experiment [21:29]
mircea_popescu jurov o its yours ? [21:29]
mjr___ just have doctors say: "paying taxes is a good way to avoid heart disease" and they'll prob do it [21:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.385 BTC [+] [21:30]
mircea_popescu lmao [21:30]
mjr___ end of the day "proles" are proles, not because they have to be, but cuz they want to be [21:30]
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mjr___ most people want to show up, be told what to do, and then go home and watch a big flat screen [21:30]
mjr___ its telling that for most people one of their biggest fears is speaking in public [21:31]
mjr___ hence, one guy on stage, big crowd [21:31]
mjr___ exactly the way they all like it [21:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.309 = 1.236 BTC [+] [21:32]
mircea_popescu i thouight you didn't agree regulations are there to protect the litytle guy. [21:32]
mjr___ doing nothing is what they are good at, and that's all thats required for the triumph of evil [21:33]
mjr___ couldn't untangle the negatives...token regulations appear to protect the little guy, but the system is designed to make them serfs [21:33]
mjr___ bread and circus's [21:33]
mircea_popescu mkay. [21:34]
mjr___ couldn't figure out plurals there either...lol [21:34]
mjr___ my whole philosophy on rule is that the best rise to the top and out of a sense of morals treat others with some respect [21:34]
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mjr___ you would be surprised (or maybe you wouldn't) at home many btc users would voluntarily list btc gains on their taxes [21:35]
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mjr___ *how [21:35]
mjr___ typically the long suffering middle class that doesn't yet realize its all a sham [21:36]
ThickAsThieves $avg [21:36]
mpexbot ThickAsThieves: 150.20 [21:36]
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mjr___ wow we got political today huh? lets lighten up the mood huh? YAY 160 [21:36]
jurov yes the bet is mine. and i commented on that innovation rant. [21:37]
mircea_popescu "Women in Uganda who go out wearing mini-skirts could face jail or a heavy fine under draconian new anti-pornography laws. " [21:37]
mircea_popescu apparently uganda is not literate enough to understand that the actual woman IS NOT GRAPHY [21:37]
mjr___ hahaha [21:38]
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mod6 ;;rate mircea_popescu 5 Owner/Operator of MPEx - Always professional and helpful! A number BTC txs between us. [21:40]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mircea_popescu has changed from 4 to 5. [21:40]
ChaangNoi so much for the "correction" [21:40]
ChaangNoi ;;ticker [21:40]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 160.27000, Best ask: 161.34440, Bid-ask spread: 1.07440, Last trade: 160.26000, 24 hour volume: 52286.65160406, 24 hour low: 142.10000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 151.93692 [21:40]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.31 = 0.62 BTC [+] [21:43]
mod6 ;;tslb [21:43]
gribble Time since last block: 2 hours, 7 minutes, and 28 seconds [21:43]
mod6 O.O [21:43]
mircea_popescu no wai ?! [21:43]
mircea_popescu are we forked again ? [21:44]
ChaangNoi ??? [21:44]
ChaangNoi what? [21:44]
ChaangNoi this is why ltc [21:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 250 @ 0.00301846 = 0.7546 BTC [-] [21:44]
ChaangNoi maybe just had a diff change? [21:44]
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mod6 doesn't look like there have been any orphaned blocks en mass yet... [21:45]
mjr___ diff change was yesterday i thouhght [21:45]
mod6 ;;bc,stats [21:45]
gribble Current Blocks: 230145 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 1694 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 34 minutes, and 17 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 8807725.92632 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.78856 [21:45]
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deadweasel dafuq? [21:45]
mod6 ;;bc,nethash [21:46]
gribble Error: "bc,nethash" is not a valid command. [21:46]
mod6 bah [21:46]
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ChaangNoi no orphand blocks [21:46]
ThickAsThieves ;;nethash [21:47]
gribble 60017.6664907 [21:47]
ChaangNoi either it is broke or just a slow block [21:47]
kakobrekla hm [21:47]
kakobrekla bitbet says Last block: 9 minutes ago (230160) [21:47]
mod6 60Th on this... hopefully just the latter ChaangNoi [21:47]
ThickAsThieves ;;tslb [21:48]
gribble Time since last block: 2 hours, 12 minutes, and 6 seconds [21:48]
ChaangNoi well yeah we all hope the latter:) [21:48]
kakobrekla bitbet is a tank :o [21:48]
mod6 you're on 230160 kakobrekla?! [21:48]
mod6 last block i see is 230145 [21:48]
ChaangNoi 230160 here [21:48]
mod6 oh im looking at blockchain.info [21:48]
mod6 ;;bc,blocks [21:48]
gribble 230160 [21:48]
ChaangNoi okay the bot and blockchain is off [21:49]
mod6 ok. hmm [21:49]
mircea_popescu ya seems gribble tiomer is off [21:49]
ChaangNoi btc seems fine [21:49]
kakobrekla oh no fork :(( [21:49]
ChaangNoi blockchain.info is off too [21:49]
ChaangNoi no fork [21:49]
ChaangNoi but id like to know what is up [21:49]
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mod6 stuff makes me go: O.O [21:49]
ChaangNoi yeah, i was wtf for a sec [21:49]
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mod6 ok thx guise [21:50]
ChaangNoi close to ath as well [21:52]
ChaangNoi ;;ticker [21:52]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.99453, Best ask: 160.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00547, Last trade: 160.00000, 24 hour volume: 53042.57071672, 24 hour low: 142.10000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.09510 [21:52]
ChaangNoi well we were lol [21:53]
ChaangNoi no this bot is fucked we are hogher lol [21:53]
ChaangNoi ;;ticker [21:53]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.76669, Best ask: 159.99453, Bid-ask spread: 0.22784, Last trade: 159.99453, 24 hour volume: 53050.24722819, 24 hour low: 142.10000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.09625 [21:53]
mircea_popescu lol [21:54]
ChaangNoi we are over 161 [21:54]
ChaangNoi 230160... id like to know why this bot and blockchaininfo is off [21:56]
ChaangNoi and why after 10 mins my btc client still says last block was 51 secs ago [21:56]
ChaangNoi nvm [21:57]
ChaangNoi we hit a new block on my client and it just happend to see it at 51 seconds again [21:57]
ChaangNoi odds on that... [21:57]
jurov i have 230161 [21:57]
ChaangNoi yeah me too [21:58]
mod6 yea so does: http://blockexplorer.com/ [21:58]
ChaangNoi good [21:58]
ChaangNoi blockchaininfo is broken [21:58]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [+] [21:58]
mod6 maybe blockchain.info is just horked [21:58]
ChaangNoi not a huge deal [21:58]
ChaangNoi yeah [21:58]
ChaangNoi it seems to be horked hard [21:58]
mod6 needs a bitcoind reset. [21:59]
jurov lol or it's still writing a core file [21:59]
ThickAsThieves i have a tx that only shows 2 confs on blockchain.info, yet has cleared into the destination (mtgox) already [21:59]
mjr___ so blockchain.info is incorrect [22:00]
mjr___ shit, i have to run to reddit and post that bitcoin is hacked [22:00]
mjr___ ;0 [22:00]
mod6 haha [22:01]
ChaangNoi lol [22:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 23 @ 0.2 = 4.6 BTC [+] [22:01]
mod6 ThickAsThieves: i've got one going into blockchain.info too -- so we'll see what happens. [22:01]
mod6 no confs yet [22:01]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7775 BTC [+] [22:01]
mod6 was only sent a few mins ago though [22:02]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7786 BTC [+] [22:02]
ChaangNoi id not send to blockchain.info until they get un horked [22:02]
deadweasel me either/ [22:02]
mod6 haha, right. if i would have checked first, i'd have done a diff addr. [22:02]
mod6 *DOH* [22:02]
ChaangNoi :) [22:03]
mod6 i need to run my own bitcoind's again... [22:03]
ChaangNoi whydo people use online clients anyway? [22:03]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.385 = 1.155 BTC [+] [22:04]
mjr___ yeah, i have bitcoin-qt running on 3 computers [22:04]
mod6 just a good temp spot to do a tx to, at least thats what I use it for. my bitcoind is so far behind it grinds my hd to catch it up [22:04]
mod6 and takes days to catch it up [22:04]
mod6 i need to get a farm of bitcoinds [22:04]
deadweasel ec2 [22:04]
mjr___ yeah, i was curoius [22:05]
deadweasel my next project is that [22:05]
mjr___ how can you transfer an up to date version of bitcoin to an ec2 instance [22:05]
mod6 yeah, maybe i should just get a few instances up there [22:05]
mjr___ i have one instance, i just ratchet up processing power if i need it [22:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00249 BTC [+] [22:05]
deadweasel one micro is free, any more is not [22:05]
mjr___ yep, so i leave it as t1.micro till i need to install something, boost it to m1.medium, then lower it down again [22:06]
deadweasel micro will install anything [22:06]
deadweasel no need to boost [22:06]
mjr___ if you have a ton of time to wait [22:06]
mjr___ it only goes between 1/2 an ecu and 2 ecu in short bursts [22:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [BITVPS] 3 @ 0.0025 = 0.0075 BTC [+] [22:07]
mjr___ so if you burst too long, you are running a hamster in a wheel... [22:07]
deadweasel i know. it's been enough so far. bitcoind may crash it tho.... [22:07]
mod6 i wish they accepted btc @ aws [22:07]
mjr___ well, once it is up and running, i think it'll run on a micro [22:07]
mjr___ dude...i hate to admit it, but the US military is kinda cool... [22:08]
mjr___ B2 bombers flew from missouri to korea to drop dummy bombs 50 miles from the border then flew home [22:08]
deadweasel ?? their toys are. [22:08]
deadweasel lol [22:09]
deadweasel shit link? [22:09]
mjr___ back in time for lunch [22:09]
mircea_popescu mjr___ the problem with this entire exercise is [22:09]
mircea_popescu that it cost more than what koreea is worth, lock stock and barrel [22:09]
mjr___ lol true [22:10]
Bugpowder samsung is worth more than apple. [22:11]
mjr___ http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/03/29/us-korea-north-usa-b-idUSBRE92S0IE20130329 [22:11]
mjr___ first off...when people say "korea' they mean North Korea [22:11]
mjr___ which is worth approx $17.12 [22:11]
mjr___ So elite is the B-2 pilot corps that more people have been in outer space than have flown the aircraft, [22:12]
mjr___ While the 20-year-old B-2 often flies for long durations - 44 hours is the record - Thursday's flight of approximately 37-1/2 hours was the plane's first non-stop mission to the Korean peninsula and back from Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri, Air Force officials said. [22:13]
ThickAsThieves ;;goxlag [22:15]
gribble MtGox lag is 2.490974 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00499188400567 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its largest moon, Ganymede (0.007155 AU). [22:15]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [22:15]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 158.76313, Best ask: 159.49000, Bid-ask spread: 0.72687, Last trade: 159.49000, 24 hour volume: 53490.89789959, 24 hour low: 142.10000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.19941 [22:15]
ThickAsThieves ;;bids 150 [22:15]
gribble There are currently 6000.4848 bitcoins demanded at or over 150.0 USD, worth 920680.816735 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0047 seconds [22:15]
assbot [BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000649 = 0.0013 BTC [+] [22:16]
ThickAsThieves ;;asks 165 [22:16]
gribble There are currently 3111.8879 bitcoins offered at or under 165.0 USD, worth 507975.519981 USD in total. | Data vintage: 16.6762 seconds [22:16]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130947.msg1765127#msg1765127 [22:20]
mircea_popescu "I am still having little problems figuring out the accounting software and using it for proper reporting. [22:20]
mircea_popescu In March, we sold only 57,90€ worth of firing services" [22:20]
mircea_popescu eskimo's usagi moment ? [22:20]
mod6 popcorn time on that [22:22]
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ChaangNoi ;;asks 160 [22:26]
gribble There are currently 88.641651 bitcoins offered at or under 160.0 USD, worth 14181.1047695 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0012 seconds [22:26]
Enky ;;ticker [22:26]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.31001, Best ask: 160.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.68999, Last trade: 160.00000, 24 hour volume: 53486.82477840, 24 hour low: 142.10000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.24281 [22:26]
jurov deadweasel, just buy some cheap mini-itx computer and run bitcoind from there. no need to surrender your walet to amazon [22:29]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 39 @ 0.0025 = 0.0975 BTC [-] [22:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00065893 = 5.3373 BTC [-] [22:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34252 @ 0.00065551 = 22.4525 BTC [-] [22:34]
AndroUser https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168992.msg1762685#msg1762685 [22:35]
AndroUser If you want a laugh [22:35]
mircea_popescu already had that one lol [22:38]
deadweasel no, i would not put my keys on ec2 lol.. but thanks for double checking.. :D [22:41]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.4099999 = 6.56 BTC [+] [22:44]
mod6 what version are you guys liking at the moment? i've got .7, but its a ways behind yet. [22:47]
mod6 what's the deal with .8x? [22:47]
mod6 anyone using it? or are dev's still battling it out? [22:47]
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mod6 blockchain.info es muerte [22:51]
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deadweasel mod6: duo but also curious... my instinct is to run .7 with manual patch.. [22:52]
mod6 deadweasel: ahh. i suppose that's a good way to go atm. [22:53]
deadweasel i fear .81 [22:54]
deadweasel because i can't get into #bitcoin-security and see if .8 is borked worse than it seems... [22:55]
mod6 ahh, ok. i heard there was a fierce debate on that in -dev [22:55]
jurov mod6, I'm happy with 0.8.1. its' much easied on hdd [22:55]
mod6 jurov: ahh ok that sounds nice [22:55]
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deadweasel they level db now? [22:55]
deadweasel *use [22:56]
jurov yes [22:56]
mod6 i think what i remember hearing about it is that 0.8.1 breaks the upgrade process... or it was more problematic then usual. [22:56]
mjr___ whats the easiest way to upgrade and do you have to redownload the whole blockchain? [22:56]
* deadweasel forgets words normally typed by left hand as lft wrist sprain is severe.. [22:56]
mod6 jeeze i really need to quit other shit an just do this full time, hard to keep up [22:56]
jurov since i run two instances anyway, it was easiest to have 0.8.1 sync from 0.7 [22:56]
jurov and it took only one hour over LAN [22:57]
mod6 ahh ok [22:57]
mjr___ ah ok nice, can you run them both on the same machine? [22:57]
deadweasel nice! [22:57]
jurov yes, under two linux users, if you configure the second to listen on another port [22:57]
jurov and connect to primary [22:58]
mjr___ hmmm windows atm, due to some software compatiblitity issues [22:58]
deadweasel does it come in handy when sending txns? can you confirm your own or point it at a reliable node? [22:59]
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jurov when ran persistently with allowed incoming connectons in firewall [23:00]
mjr___ still has to reindex all but seems to be doing that very quick [23:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [+] [23:00]
jurov i enjoy quick tx propagation [23:00]
mjr___ i heard there was a way to increase how many nodes you connect to [23:00]
jurov yes it does reindex but when pointed to local node on LAN it does it very quickly [23:00]
mjr___ someone got over 20k iirc? [23:00]
jurov dunno, 100 is enough for me [23:01]
mjr___ i usually get around 8 [23:01]
mod6 jeeze. im dumb. [23:02]
jurov mjr___: check ur router/firewall [23:02]
jurov and also, i repeat if that got lost... it's better to keep it running all the time(hence my mini itx box suggestion) [23:03]
jurov or old notebook or so [23:03]
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assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7826 BTC [+] [23:05]
assbot [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-] [23:07]
assbot [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [-] [23:07]
mjr___ the reindexing is almost done [23:07]
mjr___ very fast [23:08]
mjr___ but still only 8 connections [23:08]
mjr___ its using upnp i think [23:08]
jurov mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMillionaires [23:12]
mjr___ can't wait to move my ec2 instance up to a high i/o model [23:13]
jurov you have these 8 connections on ec2? [23:14]
mjr___ no, on my home computer [23:15]
mircea_popescu jurov lol cool. [23:15]
mircea_popescu that bitcoin billionz scammer ? [23:15]
mjr___ but i can't do much with the POS router i get from time warner [23:16]
mjr___ the fact that i got 8 means i should be able to get more though i think [23:16]
jurov definitely [23:16]
mjr___ the EC2 is for the exchange software :) [23:16]
mjr___ speaking of which, i may need some beta testing done... [23:17]
mjr___ as soon as its up and running [23:17]
mjr___ on testnet [23:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22548 @ 0.00065551 = 14.7804 BTC [-] [23:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11300 @ 0.00064979 = 7.3426 BTC [-] [23:19]
mjr___ hoping to bring up fix connections and gateway today...hoping [23:19]
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dub 8 connections is teh default outbound amount [23:25]
dub you need to open port inbound for more [23:25]
AndroUser ;;ticker [23:26]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 159.00000, Best ask: 159.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.60000, Last trade: 159.60000, 24 hour volume: 54492.68134914, 24 hour low: 142.49000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.48566 [23:26]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.40888888 BTC [-] [23:30]
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unbalanced Anyone know the Mt. Gox wait list size? And/or where people get it from? [23:32]
copumpkin people sign up and bitch publicly about how high the number is [23:33]
mjr___ heard it was over 14k today [23:33]
copumpkin the rest of us watch them bitch [23:33]
copumpkin and get the number [23:33]
Lyspooner casascius coins are expensive http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=casascius [23:34]
mjr___ copumpkin: hey there, whats new [23:34]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 7 @ 0.145 = 1.015 BTC [+] [23:35]
unbalanced thx guise [23:35]
mod6 ok blockchain.info seems to be caught back up. thx! [23:35]
mod6 *whew* [23:35]
deadweasel srsly, made some ppl crazy... [23:36]
deadweasel :D [23:36]
mod6 wow. that kinda thing usually makes me raise my eyebrows, but this time i had a tx that was held up! lol [23:37]
mod6 and i've had like 5 cups of coffee now. so.. ZOOM [23:37]
mod6 :] [23:37]
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AndroUser ;;ticker [23:39]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 161.20000, Best ask: 161.24753, Bid-ask spread: 0.04753, Last trade: 161.20000, 24 hour volume: 55005.80822607, 24 hour low: 142.49000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.56799 [23:39]
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deadweasel mod6: that's a lot of coffee.. time to switch to tea? :p [23:43]
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mod6 heheh. [23:44]
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deadweasel lol [23:45]
mod6 im usually drinkin mtdew -- but sometimes switch to coffee but need tons of caffeine [23:45]
deadweasel lawd, that stuff is caffeine kryptonite.... [23:45]
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deadweasel hows your sleep ;) [23:46]
mod6 has been pretty minimal for years. epecially since i've been in btc. [23:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22750 @ 0.00064551 = 14.6854 BTC [-] [23:46]
mod6 but lately not bad actually. :} [23:46]
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deadweasel ha, i hear ya. [23:48]
mod6 i need to get back on the all-night-satoshi-horse again though and keep coding [23:48]
mod6 cause thats when i get the most stuff done i think [23:48]
mod6 need to do moar bitotter stuff! [23:49]
mod6 but i've got some help now, so that's pretty awesome [23:49]
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deadweasel nice. help is good. i need someone to type for me. :/ [23:51]
ThickAsThieves ;;ticker [23:52]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 161.50000, Best ask: 162.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.80000, Last trade: 162.00000, 24 hour volume: 55783.45629488, 24 hour low: 142.50000, 24 hour high: 162.90000, 24 hour vwap: 152.73010 [23:52]
mod6 deadweasel: yeah that sucks dude. :/ [23:52]
mod6 need like a voice to text prog or something while it heals up [23:53]
deadweasel good idea.... [23:53]
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mod6 *shrug* might help a bit :) [23:54]
deadweasel it might learn my speech by the time it heals [23:55]
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jurov deadweasel: androids voice input seems pretty good [23:57]
jurov but dunno if it has desktop version [23:57]
deadweasel gonna try julius.. then maybe get that ref done tonight. :) [23:58]
mod6 cool! [23:58]
mod6 seems like it even works for *nix [23:59]
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