Forum logs for 06 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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funkenstein_	thank you kind sir tips hat	[00:08]
thestringpuller	you listening to any funk this evening?	[00:11]
thestringpuller	i might jam out to some parliment	[00:11]
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thestringpuller	;;later tell funkenstein_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noqMfTRKNlo << this reminds me of you. Dr. Funkenstein	[00:18]
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funkenstein_	thestringpuller, that's the real deal :)	[01:05]
funkenstein_	like bitcoin, you can't fake the funk	[01:05]
*	asciilifeform saw deal for purchase of certain lab instrument fall through for the third time in that many years.	[01:06]
funkenstein_	thestringpuller, a show of new school crew George tours with these days : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tk9j00wyVQ	[01:08]
assbot	George Clinton Parliment Funkadelic NAMM 2015 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EJ4Ysm )	[01:08]
*	asciilifeform is, contrary to pete_dushenski's lsd trip picture, very poor.	[01:08]
funkenstein_	asciilifeform, still can't afford that chip fab?	[01:09]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: not chip fab, either	[01:09]
thestringpuller	asciilifeform: you want dr. moreau's island for electronics...	[01:10]
asciilifeform	thestringpuller: my 'island' is an unheated, uncooled, wooden hut.	[01:12]
thestringpuller	when you say "my 'island'" are you talking of hypothetical super scientist island with no budget? or current laboratory?	[01:14]
asciilifeform	current.	[01:14]
asciilifeform	godforsaken hole.	[01:14]
funkenstein_	how's the air quality down there?	[01:16]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: worst imaginable.	[01:16]
funkenstein_	O.o	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ since they did the killing.	[01:17]
funkenstein_	aha	[01:18]
*	mircea_popescu can imagine some pretty bad air quality.	[01:18]
asciilifeform	picture 'worst possible without being near-term lethal' and you have it.	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	in other news, went on a lark to this "power dc" ac/dc tribute band in some "rock bar" here.	[01:19]
thestringpuller	funkenstein_: The mothership has arrived.	[01:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: l0l, i distinctly recall seeing an ad for precisely this during one of our walks in the city	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	you should have seen this thing. a space too small to keep a woman with her sister ; 5 dollar drinks ; buncha teenaged derps dressed like pizza delivery boys, backpacks i compris. which ius why nobody had a drink.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	the band was ohio high bad.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	and it had nothing to do with rock whatsoever.	[01:20]
funkenstein_	lol, ouch	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	basically, argentinian : tribute band that is not a band and no tribute, in a bar that sells no drinks to some kids that are there because they got out of the rain.	[01:21]
*	funkenstein_ guesses it was also ear-damagingly loud	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	and then funkenstein_ wants to tell me about the intrinsic worth of all bipedal mouthbreathers.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	i ain't buying it.	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ no, probably on account of electricity being too expensive.	[01:21]
funkenstein_	this is not my point any more than yours is to defend usgtronic idiocy	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	go on	[01:23]
funkenstein_	most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing.	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	you talking north america or central america ?	[01:26]
funkenstein_	well Corez wasn't very far North afaik	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	so then why do you conflate the two. the people i was talking about when i said iron age were the various twerps the usians killed.	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	the various people the spanyards killed are some other discussion.	[01:27]
asciilifeform	what iron.	[01:28]
funkenstein_	Iroquois nation sure seemed more advanced from my reading than say, washcorp	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform im bewing generous.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ a lot of talk about that. point of fact is, subsistence hunters with bow and arrow.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	nobody is against the study of political, philosophycal, astronautical or any other knowledge defeated tribe had.	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	we are however against hteir continued physical existence.	[01:29]
funkenstein_	why?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	because their massacre makes the scant remaining life valuable,	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	allowing the common man some semblance of freedom and import for a short interval.	[01:29]
funkenstein_	are we against the physical existence of monkeys?	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	why do you think the immigrants slaughtered the indians instead of persay teaching them to farm ?	[01:30]
funkenstein_	you mean instead of learning from them how to farm	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	no.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	one reason was that agriculture is subjectively hell.	[01:30]
asciilifeform	and folks faced with something like an actual choice, did not choose it.	[01:30]
funkenstein_	well not to the folks who knew how to do it	[01:30]
asciilifeform	any more than you and i choose to put hand in a bear trap	[01:30]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: to anyone. the resulting population density is hell.	[01:31]
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*	mircea_popescu adds "teenaged californians that know how to clean toilets" to his shopping list.	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	im sure they'll enjoy it on account of "knowing how to do it"	[01:31]
funkenstein_	yes, knowing a useful skill and performing it is enjoyable, sometimes referred to as satori 24	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	this is a pipe dream.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	some skills are enjoyable. others are not.	[01:32]
mircea_popescu	i am a very good arithmetician, at that.	[01:32]
funkenstein_	lol good point there	[01:32]
funkenstein_	but never enjoy some nice arithmetic?	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	yes, of the subset of skills that are enjoyable, one enjoys more the ones that are useful and he's any good at	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	but that's besides the point. being a skilled politician is never enjoyable.	[01:33]
funkenstein_	at any rate, agriculture is a great example of "whoops - shoulda asked the locals where the keys to safe are before we needlessly removed their tongues"	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	i don't see it.	[01:34]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: the white man knew 'the keys' - 'have 99.99% of you die and you too can be subsistence hunters'	[01:34]
funkenstein_	modern genetic engineering and rapid desertificatoin techniques have never reached indian levels	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	eh get out.	[01:35]
funkenstein_	go, make a new maize	[01:35]
funkenstein_	explain how it was done	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	the indians died of starvation, mostly.	[01:35]
funkenstein_	ditto the potatoe	[01:35]
funkenstein_	nonsense	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	there weren't enough of them to populate california.	[01:35]
funkenstein_	the invading barbarians died of starvation	[01:35]
funkenstein_	california was quite populated	[01:35]
funkenstein_	as was modern detroit, look now	[01:36]
asciilifeform	for fucks sake,	[01:36]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=31-01-2015#999195	[01:36]
assbot	Logged on 31-01-2015 01:09:34; asciilifeform: 'Every nationalist is haunted by the belief that the past can be altered. He spends part of his time in a fantasy world in which things happen as they should — in which, for example, the Spanish Armada was a success or the Russian Revolution was crushed in 1918 — and he will transfer fragments of this world to the history books whenever possible. Much of the propagandist writing of our	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	i think that fits.	[01:37]
ben_vulpes	disease also wiped out huge numbers!	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	ben_vulpes yes. the sort of disease that kills the hungry.	[01:37]
ben_vulpes	what, the hungry existed until the diseases arrived to wipe them out?	[01:37]
asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: elementarily, there was nothing magic about the 'red man' which kept him from breeding, like everybody else, to just short of over the carrying capacity of his lands	[01:38]
asciilifeform	it simply did not happen to be very high	[01:38]
asciilifeform	so the lsd aficionados get illusion of 'in harmony with enviro'	[01:39]
asciilifeform	or whatnot	[01:39]
ben_vulpes	lol simply means nature comes by and wallops population numbers once in a while	[01:39]
mircea_popescu	in point of fact as the white man put pressure on the indians, they started crossing boundries in desperate search of food. this was very successful at preventing organised resistance - idiots too busy fighting each other.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	in reality, say the place today called california could have supported 50,000 healthy stone age folk, or 100,000 barely-alive ripe-for-smallpox.	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	so much for political superiority.	[01:40]
asciilifeform	it will house 110,000.	[01:40]
funkenstein_	i'm not claiming magic red men, i am claiming mentally ill - and markedly stupid - invaders	[01:40]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform call it californy like they did :D	[01:41]
ben_vulpes	hm!	[01:41]
funkenstein_	i'm also claiming great denial and lack of reading of relevant historical documents	[01:41]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ like ?	[01:41]
funkenstein_	e.g. scalping laws of every US state rewarding people for presenting american corpses	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	so ?	[01:42]
funkenstein_	meeting notes from Denver	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	"meeting notes from Denver" ?!	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	you mean the protocols of the learned elves of denver ?	[01:42]
funkenstein_	explicit doctrines of idiocy from there for hundreds of years - must kill kill because - dumb dumb we are	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	must kill because can.	[01:44]
funkenstein_	then starve you will	[01:44]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: the 'magical wisdom of harmony with mother earth' thing won't fly. but my personal favourite crackpottery re: the indians, and one which has at least a pinch of actual historical support, is that they had to be bugsprayed to keep agricultural white man from defecting.	[01:44]
funkenstein_	in a dead wasteland	[01:44]
mircea_popescu	eh get out.	[01:45]
funkenstein_	kill because can? start with own family, then all plants and animals, finally self.	[01:45]
mircea_popescu	no dude. start with the monkeys. d'oh.	[01:46]
funkenstein_	monkeys are fine with me, leave them there -- can eat them later if shit gets rough	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	you're acting like elementary points don't somehow magically exist. that pretense doesn't do anything.	[01:46]
mircea_popescu	obviously the white guys killed the red guys. the red guys sucked.	[01:47]
funkenstein_	all of us will die, therefore we suck	[01:47]
funkenstein_	how about lets try to learn from past mistakes	[01:47]
mircea_popescu	quite.	[01:47]
asciilifeform	incidentally, i notice that aficionados of crying for the indians for some odd reason cry preferentially for the ones clobbered earlier and more thoroughly, leaving not so much as a wet spot (e.g., arawak) vs the later ones who learned horse and rifle and gave white man a run for his money	[01:48]
funkenstein_	thems what die will be the lucky ones	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform obviously. those showed some sign of sense.	[01:48]
funkenstein_	i cry for the descendents of the fucktards who still bear the scars of mental illness	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	you don't get to go around putting labels on things you know.	[01:48]
funkenstein_	i cry for mircea_popescu who lives in a society which grew up with no wise elders	[01:48]
mircea_popescu	i did ?!	[01:49]
funkenstein_	*now lives	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	dude if your idea of wise elders is some twerps who worship the failures...	[01:49]
funkenstein_	??	[01:49]
mircea_popescu	last fucking thing i want to see are some elders harping on about how great the iron age man was. srsly.	[01:50]
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asciilifeform	funkenstein_: can you describe one of the 'wise men' and his wisdom in terms that any of us might apprehend ?	[01:50]
mircea_popescu	it's not even ridiculous.	[01:50]
asciilifeform	'it was wisdomy and truthy damnit' doesn't cut it.	[01:50]
funkenstein_	asciilifeform, when I read your excellent blog I am often reminded of the aztec word "tonal"	[01:51]
gabriel_laddel	funkenstein_: life is ruff, here, have a blanket.	[01:51]
funkenstein_	that ideal model existing in our mind of objects describing the world around us	[01:51]
*	mircea_popescu wants to introduce http://trilema.com/2011/hai-sa-facem-un-exercitiu/#selection-271.1-281.68	[01:51]
assbot	Hai sa facem un exercitiu on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVtlGi )	[01:51]
funkenstein_	gabriel_laddel, lol	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	"they had cars at the time this fuckwit was living in the dirt. do you understand ? some african monkey thinking they unveiled the sikrits of the universe AT THE SAME TIME as people doing the cern cyclotron is necessarily and by that very fact an idiot.	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	humanity is a thrown curve. what's ok in 700bc is not ok in 2000ad."	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	if i want to worship some iron age primitives, i got the greeks	[01:51]
mircea_popescu	i do not need nor care to mention some schmucks 5000 years late to the party.	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	not anymore than i care for tornatore's shepherd.	[01:52]
funkenstein_	the largest city in the world in 1500 was Tenochtitlan	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	fuck him, retarded sicilian rediscovering the intellectual products of sheep herding in 1940	[01:52]
mircea_popescu	again with mexico ?	[01:52]
funkenstein_	"They had cars" - we worship retarded usans now?	[01:53]
mircea_popescu	...	[01:54]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: what did your neolithic folks ~demonstrably~ have, that, e.g., i, want but do not have?	[01:54]
mircea_popescu	what's this mezclado of everything. we talk north american indians you derp about early mexico city, i discuss tech you derp about consumers... different things yo.	[01:54]
funkenstein_	asciilifeform, remember the bar here is set for - is it worth your while to go slit a throat of somebody not bother you	[01:54]
asciilifeform	(note that this is not a null set, but i don't expect to hear any correct answer just now)	[01:55]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: the 'not bothered' part is also demonstrably false.	[01:55]
asciilifeform	esp. in north a.	[01:55]
funkenstein_	asciilifeform, what did -your- neolithic folks demonstrably have that I want now?	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	eh russia wasn't even inhabited then.	[01:56]
mircea_popescu	tech didn't really allow for it.	[01:56]
funkenstein_	mexico city is in north america afaik	[01:57]
asciilifeform	what's next, moscow is in europe !	[01:57]
asciilifeform	technicalities.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	anyway, to take that myth away : tenochtitlan had a populatiuon of 2 or 300k. in any case under 500k.	[01:57]
mircea_popescu	fucking ur, at the time of its beheading, was ten times that.	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	china had dozens of settlements larger	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	rome had been a million for nine or ten centuries by that point	[01:58]
mircea_popescu	but yes, it was by far the largest affair in the new world. because the new world sucked.	[01:59]
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mircea_popescu	moscow is in europe ?	[02:01]
asciilifeform	and chicken, is a bird !	[02:01]
ben_vulpes	(asciilifeform, what did your neolithic folks demonstrably have that you want but do not have?)	[02:02]
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asciilifeform	ben_vulpes: see earlier discussion re: agriculture being a hell	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	they didn't have sleep ad lib you know.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	sure they did.	[02:02]
mircea_popescu	they just had a retarded female-centric social system which fell over at the slightest provocation. like every other case in history.	[02:02]
asciilifeform	eh we got that now.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	not quite yet.	[02:03]
mircea_popescu	going that way tho	[02:03]
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gabriel_laddel	asciilifeform: is there anything in particular DERIVE has that maxima does not? I read a presentation on the matter, which had some nice specifics (inequality support) but am curious why you fondly remember the former rather than the latter.	[02:04]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: it has being 200KB.	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	maxima existed then ?	[02:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: maxima existed in 1970s	[02:04]
asciilifeform	called then 'macsyma'	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	and i could run this on what ?	[02:04]
mircea_popescu	in 1993	[02:04]
asciilifeform	which 'this'	[02:05]
asciilifeform	macsyma?	[02:05]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: the current distributive runs on standard common lisp.	[02:05]
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mircea_popescu	ya	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	and i could have had standard common lisp on what ?	[02:05]
gabriel_laddel	symbolics box...	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	i could have had a symbolics box ?	[02:05]
mircea_popescu	shit.	[02:05]
asciilifeform	in '93? 1) symbolics 2) sun 3) vax 4) a few others	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform why didnt you get a symbolics box yo! then you could have fondly remembered maxima instead of derive!	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	my copy came on disk 2 of "crime wave"	[02:06]
asciilifeform	there also was 'xlisp' for msdos, which was ~nearly~ commonlisp.	[02:06]
asciilifeform	i used it.	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgDJ6EH-CBI this	[02:06]
assbot	Crime Wave DOS Longplay (1/4) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NVugXr )	[02:06]
mircea_popescu	god i loved that stupid scroller	[02:07]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: l0l, what was it doing there	[02:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 120865 @ 0.00073053 = 88.2955 BTC [+] {8}	[02:08]
mircea_popescu	the idea was you had to fill all disks.	[02:08]
asciilifeform	ah, human warez	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	aha	[02:09]
asciilifeform	then makes total sense!	[02:09]
mircea_popescu	check it out btw, almost like topless daughter of president	[02:09]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: coming back to the earlier point, it is ~unfathomably valuable~ to ~know that you know all the knobs and what they do~	[02:11]
asciilifeform	this means fits-in-head.	[02:11]
asciilifeform	it is even conceivable that the guts would have fit in your head, had they been exposed	[02:12]
asciilifeform	but the interface of 'derive' certainly did.	[02:12]
asciilifeform	try that with a modern symbolic maths package.	[02:12]
gabriel_laddel	Yeah, I failed at that a while back.	[02:13]
asciilifeform	this totality - there is no substitute for it.	[02:13]
gabriel_laddel	Maxima is neato, but the ALGOL interface to all the goodies sucks.	[02:13]
mircea_popescu	gabriel_laddel come to think about it, you probably want derive source for your masamune thing	[02:13]
asciilifeform	it means that when something does not work as expected, you can immediately rule out 'unknown knob'	[02:13]
gabriel_laddel	mircea_popescu: already downloaded it ;-) but will probably stick with Macsyma.	[02:14]
asciilifeform	no sourceball for 'derive' was ever publicly discovered.	[02:14]
gabriel_laddel	erm let me unpack derive.zip and see wtf is in here then	[02:15]
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gabriel_laddel	nvm - I've just got a bunch of DERIVE files, no sources.	[02:15]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: the thing itself lives in one exe.	[02:17]
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asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: came with a buncha generated crud, for illustrative purposes	[02:17]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27287 @ 0.00071457 = 19.4985 BTC [-]	[02:18]
asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: said exe contains (in my copy) a bitwise-unchanged copy of 'mulisp-87' and a savelispanddie image of derive's engine appended after.	[02:18]
funkenstein_	sorry about that, network problems	[02:18]
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asciilifeform	gabriel_laddel: http://maben.homeip.net/static/s100/software/microsoft/LISP/MuLisp.pdf << manual. (very grainy scan.)	[02:19]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NVuWMj )	[02:19]
asciilifeform	(and yes, mircosoft bought the thing, long ago, before there even was winblowz)	[02:19]
funkenstein_	moar winblows because: can	[02:22]
funkenstein_	well i must thank you for reminding me of the extent of damage due to idiocy and mental illness which has occured in the past	[02:25]
funkenstein_	I will renew efforts with greater motivation	[02:26]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_: consider link to the documents mentioned earlier ?	[02:26]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-09-2015#1263439	[02:26]
assbot	Logged on 05-09-2015 23:03:16; funkenstein_: For more on that Guatemala story grep for "1986": http://www.skeptic.ca/American_Holocaust.htm	[02:26]
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asciilifeform	funkenstein_: no, these - http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263618	[02:34]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 04:24:17; funkenstein_: most all literate europeans, including cortez, wrote of "economic prosperity beyond any we have seen", "paradise", "wisdom". Hardly just mouthbreathing.	[02:34]
asciilifeform	funkenstein_ will also likely enjoy the mega-classic http://www.ditext.com/diamond/mistake.html	[02:35]
assbot	The Worst Mistake in the History of	[02:35]
*	asciilifeform bbl.	[02:35]
funkenstein_	aha, of guns germs and steel fame	[02:36]
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funkenstein_	Stannard's scholarship is remarkable. 60 pages of references, in documents he turned up in one of his volume.	[02:39]
funkenstein_	It may be possible for a person to know something about history of the America's without reading him, but surely the responsibility is on the person to so demonstrate.the	[02:40]
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funkenstein_	Cortes: "Besides those things which I have already mentioned, they sell in the market everything else to be found in this land, but they are so many and so varied that because of their great number and because I cannot remember many of them nor do I know what they are called I shall not mention them"	[02:44]
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gabriel_laddel	spelling?	[02:45]
funkenstein_	"never seen in all my days what so rejoiced my heart, as these things. For I saw among them amazing artistic objects, and I marveled over the subtle ingenuity of the men in these distant lands. Indeed, I cannot say enough about the things that were brought before me"	[02:45]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[02:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00073157 = 7.2938 BTC [+] {3}	[02:52]
funkenstein_	good night gents, my apologies for the not so lighthearted topics	[02:57]
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mircea_popescu	;;gentime 1000	[04:02]
gribble	The average time to generate a block at 1000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7757 years, 16 weeks, 6 days, 6 hours, 23 minutes, and 24 seconds	[04:02]
mircea_popescu	;;gentime 1000000000	[04:03]
gribble	The average time to generate a block at 1000000000.0 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 2 days, 19 hours, 57 minutes, and 14 seconds	[04:03]
mircea_popescu	;;gentime 11325.648148148	[04:04]
gribble	The average time to generate a block at 11325.6481481 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 684 years, 48 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 47 minutes, and 44 seconds	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	;;gentime 56628240.74	[04:08]
gribble	The average time to generate a block at 56628240.74 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 7 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, and 17 seconds	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	;;gentime 113256481.48	[04:09]
gribble	The average time to generate a block at 113256481.48 Mhps, given difficulty of 56957648455.0, is 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, and 8 seconds	[04:09]
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punkman	https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COF0DivVEAArStP.jpg:large	[04:10]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VGkwBA )	[04:11]
punkman	guess that was wordplay, because the app is for muslims https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ipray-prayer-times-qibla-compass/id288054534	[04:13]
assbot	iPray: Prayer Times & Qibla Compass on the App Store on iTunes ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGkI3G )	[04:13]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16724 @ 0.00071456 = 11.9503 BTC [-]	[04:30]
punkman	http://i.imgur.com/snA9iAP.png	[04:31]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1VGmbXQ )	[04:31]
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deedbot-	[Trilema] Sneak Peak Screenshots and The Future Golden Goose - http://trilema.com/2015/sneak-peak-screenshots-and-the-future-golden-goose/	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	the gentlemen investors as well as the armchair financiers may find the 2nd part of ^ interesting	[04:56]
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punkman	do you have to milk the goose daily?	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	yea	[04:57]
gabriel_laddel	!	[05:01]
gabriel_laddel	wow	[05:01]
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cazalla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLxE8k6QtUE	[05:06]
assbot	Police officers go through transgender training - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1i5gswA )	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[05:07]
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punkman	https://instagram.com/tokyofashion/	[05:40]
assbot	Harajuku Japan (@tokyofashion) • Instagram photos and videos ... ( http://bit.ly/1VGsZER )	[05:40]
punkman	every time I end up on instagram, I can't believe all the pictures are 640pixels and people use it	[05:42]
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punkman	http://eugeniekitchen.com/brick-toast/ sunday breakfast suggestion	[06:10]
assbot	Brick Toast Recipe - Shibuya Honey Toast - Japanese Shokudo - Eugenie Kitchen ... ( http://bit.ly/1i5jQHY )	[06:10]
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*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 5 16:58:12 2014	[16:51]
-assbot-	Welcome to #bitcoin-assets. To get voice (ie, to be able to speak), send me "!up" in a private message to get an OTP. You must have a sufficient WoT rating. If you do not have a WoT account or sufficient rating, try politely asking one of the voiced people for a temporary voice.	[16:51]
shinohai	Speak of teh devil ...	[16:51]
andychase	I feel like we've gone a bit off topic a bit. I'd love to hear your opinions on a system for reviewing and indicating full approval on changes to the Bitcoin protocol	[16:51]
andychase	currently the system is the core devs decide	[16:52]
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mats	core devs don't decide anything.	[16:52]
mircea_popescu	and how's myfavourite cult this fine morning ?	[16:52]
andychase	well for bips, they decide, and other clients like btcd take their bips into consideration	[16:52]
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andychase	I'd like to take that kind of system and move it up so a community like this one can make their opinion validated as part of the process for improving bitcoin	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	you'd what ?	[16:53]
shinohai	"make their opinion validated"	[16:53]
andychase	Basically make your opinion matter by proving that you aren't sock puppet accounts and are actually unique and valuable memebers of the Bitcoin ecosystem	[16:54]
shinohai	I have been so worried all this time that our opinion would never be validated.	[16:54]
andychase	opinion matter more*	[16:54]
asciilifeform	komyoooonitiiiii111111!	[16:54]
shinohai	I think WoT proves we are each unique and valuable members of the community	[16:55]
*	asciilifeform maxed dosimeter, off to meatspace for rest of the day	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	who are you exactly andychase ?	[16:55]
andychase	If that's true then great, I'd like to take that form of validation and put it into a formal process that can be used for approving or rejecting changes to Bitcoin	[16:55]
andychase	I'm a freelance software developer from Oregon	[16:56]
andychase	also reddit.com/u/tytyty_ on reddit	[16:56]
andychase	github.com/andychase	[16:56]
shinohai	!gettrust andychase	[16:56]
assbot	andychase is not registered in WoT.	[16:56]
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shinohai	https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html	[16:57]
assbot	RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSA	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	andychase https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuvPhAuQFD4	[16:57]
assbot	Griffin Dunne v Dennis Hopper (Search and Destroy, 1995) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fJ8J5p )	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	!down andychase	[16:57]
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mircea_popescu	and thank you mr scorsese.	[16:58]
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ag3nt_zer0	"A patent example of the classic contradiction in question here—a contradiction characterizing for the most part all modern thought—is provided by existentialism, which postulates a definition of the world that is impossible if existentialism itself is possible. There are only two alternatives: either objective knowledge—a knowledge that is therefore absolute in its own order—is possible, which proves that existen	[17:05]
ag3nt_zer0	then its own promulgation is impossible since in the existentialist universe there is no room for an objective and unwavering intellection."	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263876 << dude this guy, https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg	[17:05]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 08:38:05; punkman: https://instagram.com/tokyofashion/	[17:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JZi80p )	[17:05]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JZi80p )	[17:05]
mircea_popescu	i wanna meet him.	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	hey most intelligent person in japan, that were on tokyofashion thingee, drop a line.	[17:06]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 which illiterate murican fail to understand stuff written in french through the age old process of not being able to read it ?	[17:06]
ag3nt_zer0	which? sorry I don't follow... good day btw	[17:08]
mircea_popescu	who said the thing you quoted ?	[17:09]
ag3nt_zer0	Schuon: http://www.studiesincomparativereligion.com/Public/articles/The_Contradiction_of_Relativism-by_Frithjof_Schuon.aspx	[17:10]
assbot	"The Contradiction of Relativism" - an essay by Frithjof Schuon ... ( http://bit.ly/1O6FDuy )	[17:10]
ag3nt_zer0	likely originally in French...	[17:10]
mircea_popescu	well he totally missed it and doesn't even have the excuse of not speaking the language.	[17:11]
ag3nt_zer0	have you ever read him?	[17:11]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[17:12]
mircea_popescu	but the quote you presented disqualifies him from discussing sartre.	[17:12]
ag3nt_zer0	from my perspective, which may or may not matter, he doesn't seem to be one to be lightly dismissed	[17:12]
ag3nt_zer0	he's right up there with evola and guenon	[17:13]
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mircea_popescu	for the following reason : existentialism is the first (and the most logically successful) of the "postmodernisms", taken eventually to their extreme lolzitude by lacan and his unselfaware progeny in the us ("radical feminists" and whatnot).	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	what this means in easily digestible terms among software people is that existentialism is a class.	[17:13]
mircea_popescu	this means you can not use symbols such as "contradiction" without havind properly defined an existentialism.contradiction constructor in the very group.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	lest you come out with garbage.	[17:14]
mircea_popescu	he doesn't seem aware of this.	[17:14]
ag3nt_zer0	hmmm maybe I would do better to not post a quote out of context	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	up to you :)	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	but the behaviour would seem to indicate ~you~ think he's easily dismissed.	[17:15]
ag3nt_zer0	not at all	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	quoting properly is more complicated than it seems.	[17:15]
ag3nt_zer0	my entire reason for posting links to this material is that I find it hard to dismiss - hoping that some of the minds in here might check out the longforms and tell me what they think...	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, fwiw, i don't readily see a way to construct this "existentialism is fail because its idea of reality precludes itself" into meaningful criticism.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	this is a uniquely poor strategy.	[17:16]
mircea_popescu	all it can conceivably achieve is form minor dismissals in the minds here that hadn't prior bothered to consider	[17:17]
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ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: if frithjof schuon is illiterate then I must be less than a dog	[17:19]
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*	mircea_popescu wasn't there, hasn't seen, everyone on internet ~= dog.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	i'm a perfectly illiterate chinese scholar, for that matter.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	kinda why like bombama, i abstain from "oh china is self contradictory" emissions.	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	s/like/unlike/	[17:21]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263914 << well, less is probably a bridge to far. equally might also be. but i do maintain software can't be MUCH MORE friable than the hardware upon it runs. and i dun think alf disagrees with that much either.	[17:25]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 12:25:05; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell vextor phuctor has had mains plugs pulled on it several times recenty, and alf's attitude (i believe) is that the thing shoudn't run if its going to have its memory ripped out every time it warms up. remember, it keeps the running product in memory. mircea_popescu's attitude is that "software should be less friable than the hardware upon which it runs". asciilifeform is tryin	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	!up anton_osika	[17:25]
-assbot-	You voiced anton_osika for 30 minutes.	[17:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20087 @ 0.00072517 = 14.5665 BTC [-] {2}	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	!up anton_osika	[17:30]
-assbot-	You voiced anton_osika for another 30 minutes.	[17:30]
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anton_osika	Hello guys, I am having issues with phunctor as you might have guessed.	[17:31]
anton_osika	I got my hands cut off so I cannot make signatures; laptop stolen and broken backup. Got any tips for me?	[17:31]
punkman	test backups next time ;)	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	how are these two related ?	[17:32]
shinohai	Use your feet to pull the trigger on the shotgun.	[17:32]
anton_osika	The hands or the two files?	[17:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29410 @ 0.00073442 = 21.5993 BTC [+] {5}	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	win. https://igcdn-photos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11353513_870135393073866_1385626694_n.jpg	[17:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JZkpsA )	[17:33]
anton_osika	shinohai: Thank you for the tip.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	anton_osika your poor backup policies and phuctor.	[17:35]
punkman	wants to test new key perhaps?	[17:35]
anton_osika	I do have ultimate respect for the WoT. Hence I want to have a valid keypair for communicating with goodfellas here.	[17:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263949 << absolutely.	[17:37]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 15:57:46; asciilifeform: (undetectable bit rot is MUCH WORSE than the idling it does right now)	[17:37]
shinohai	You're welcome anton_osika my advice is free on Sundays :D	[17:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263952 << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking.	[17:38]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 16:01:36; asciilifeform: with internal battery.	[17:38]
*	punkman punkman wants to hear more about defending against bitrot	[17:38]
anton_osika	shinohai: Excellent. Could you also advice me on how to successfully invite mircea_popescu for dinner at my home in Stockholm?	[17:39]
shinohai	I suppose the same way you would ask any gentleman to dinner.	[17:40]
shinohai	Als, the fail is strong in this one:	[17:40]
shinohai	https://github.com/jumacro/Resty/blob/ac145f7551bf1a118169fff37592a09f401e2a74/server/Components/Email.js	[17:40]
assbot	Resty/Email.js at ac145f7551bf1a118169fff37592a09f401e2a74 · jumacro/Resty · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxcTu )	[17:40]
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punkman	shinohai, whole commit is peppered with credentials to various systems	[17:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00073215 = 8.0537 BTC [-]	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator.	[17:44]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 16:07:45; asciilifeform: this means that at present time there is EXACTLY ONE reliable public therealbitcoin node - zoolag.	[17:44]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263966 << the only solutions is slavegirls.	[17:45]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 16:14:41; kakobrekla: but, no time.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	im not even talking one exceptionally well trained gf. that won't cut it.	[17:45]
mircea_popescu	need a dozen, in various stages of coalescence.	[17:45]
punkman	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ptOJ33u1bQ	[17:46]
assbot	Hermeto Pascoal - Slaves Mass (1977) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWxDgG )	[17:46]
anton_osika	mircea_popescu: I liked your piece on formalised identity based trust system (WoT). Are there any attempts at extending it to our physical existances such as property?	[17:47]
punkman	!rate backyard 9 it makes fruit?	[17:50]
assbot	backyard is not registered in WoT.	[17:50]
shinohai	xD	[17:51]
shinohai	!rate DatAss 1 Because ... dat ass	[17:51]
assbot	DatAss is not registered in WoT.	[17:51]
shinohai	bbl	[17:52]
punkman	well if you own dat ass, it can get in wot	[17:52]
shinohai	I'll have her come register later when I'm done blowing it up.	[17:54]
anton_osika	My situation as of now is that there is nothing to strictly verify a former fingerprint. However I am the unique holder of the name AntonOsika in Sweden, publicly registered with physical address, so you if you are passing by please find me and I would provide generous housing.	[17:55]
punkman	register with new fingerprint, nobody knew the old one anyway	[17:56]
anton_osika	Well I believe mircea_popescu would honor a contract where the couterparty has no competition at identifying himself. It would be pleasant to extend the notion of trust to identity in the physical domain however.	[17:59]
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punkman	!up anton_osika	[18:03]
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mircea_popescu	anton_osika what part of property do you imagine is physical ?	[18:05]
anton_osika	Land for example.	[18:05]
anton_osika	Not much else.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	how is your property of land physical.	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	punkman also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6JN0l7A_mE	[18:06]
assbot	Nabucco - Hebrew Slaves Chorus - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWzl1E )	[18:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.0007251 = 4.9307 BTC [-] {2}	[18:06]
anton_osika	Well ownership is nothing physical but the underlying. What arguably makes land different is that one can lets ones physical embodiment be placed on the land, and this can be recognised / unchallenged by others	[18:10]
mod6	;;tslb	[18:10]
gribble	Time since last block: 56 minutes and 56 seconds	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263972 << add to that, "never use known file extensions".	[18:12]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 16:39:54; ben_vulpes: what are best practices with the mailing list again?	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	fucking subtle undebuggable bullshit, "oh we figured out you're using something of ours, here, it's broken now"	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263999 / /me is popcorning along.	[18:14]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 16:59:13; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is right about c_wot	[18:14]
anton_osika	punkman: Thanks for the concern about fingerprint. The issue is this: http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A	[18:15]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	these fucking idiots. so eulora is based on modifying work by others. those others have done the following thing : the dialogue of a npc is contained in a table. that table has fields. those fields are "reply 1" "reply 2" and so up to 5. why to 5 ?	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	BECAUSE IT IS A RULE OF THE UNIVERSE THAT ALL THINGS HAVE 5 REPLIES!!1	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	this is how you use databases now, by counting the fucking fileds.	[18:16]
thestringpuller	planeshift?	[18:16]
punkman	mircea_popescu: very common with mysql folks	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	field1, field2 and who the fuck was responsible with raping these idiots as 5yo and discarding the bloodied remains in a ditch did a horrible job	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	the same thing is observed not just here, but THROUGHOUT	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	and is not limited to the db. here, have a magic number in code, because THAT IS WHAT CODE IS FOR!11	[18:17]
thestringpuller	Yea Planeshift has a lot of quirks like that.	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	quirks ?	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	these aren't "quirks"	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	these are the unfortunate results downstream of insufficient five year olds being raped to death and discarded in a ditch.	[18:18]
thestringpuller	P. much.	[18:18]
anton_osika	antonosika has to sign a document stating the location of delivery. He however involuntarily lost his hands. So he can't sign documents anymore.	[18:19]
anton_osika	That's why I'm harassing mircea_popescu until I make him smile.	[18:19]
anton_osika	So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor.	[18:20]
anton_osika	And again, my physical embodiment is openly registered, if you are in the neighbourhood mircea_popescu. And I might not be as dumb as it seems from the backup policies ..	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	im in fucking buenos aires	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	what neighbourhood ?	[18:22]
wao	warptangent weex wilbns williamdunne wpalczynski	[18:23]
*	mircea_popescu is still raging over the db thing. who the fuck does this. who the fuck makes labels for items in a database WITH THEIR OWN BAKED IN INDEXES!	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	the moment you go to write "field"+number you should fucking realise YOU ARE DOING IT WRONG.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	compeletely, utterly wrong from hell.	[18:23]
punkman	mircea_popescu: just curious if this clause "and that ETH trades on a reputable exchange in total value of at least 100 BTC prior to the date of delivery" would be fulfilled by Poloniex, Kraken or any other exchange listed at http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/ethereum/#markets	[18:24]
assbot	Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info \| Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWB4nG )	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	punkman where's that clause from ?	[18:24]
punkman	anton_osika's ETH contract	[18:24]
mircea_popescu	link or something ?	[18:25]
punkman	http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A	[18:25]
assbot	-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	ah, that. he never fulfilled his obligations under it iirc.	[18:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.0007251 = 4.4956 BTC [-]	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	o nm, he actualy did	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	https://blockchain.info/tx/2d1ed3f47a6ec0194d8855eec37c252506203ef7d6f5643bba17f7c244a45b00	[18:28]
assbot	Bitcoin Transaction 2d1ed3f47a6ec0194d8855eec37c252506203ef7d6f5643bba17f7c244a45b00 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWBhHu )	[18:28]
mircea_popescu	so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?!	[18:28]
thestringpuller	"Fellow miners, Some of you receive emails and phone calls from developers. I am not big enough to get that treatment." << LOL. And this is why you side with BIP-101	[18:29]
mircea_popescu	;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000	[18:29]
gribble	81.1608	[18:29]
punkman	poor anton	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	that's a valuable laptop.	[18:30]
punkman	should have generated ETH address to put in contract	[18:32]
thestringpuller	http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-venture-capital/ << oh look at that.	[18:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19850 @ 0.00073529 = 14.5955 BTC [+] {3}	[18:32]
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mircea_popescu	punkman at the time you cou;dn't have.	[18:34]
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punkman	I think they had published enough code then and they had some stupid application for direct buyers	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	not iirc.	[18:44]
punkman	PSA: print your ascii-armored keys out. don't use a xerox.	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23000 @ 0.00073791 = 16.9719 BTC [+]	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:45]
mircea_popescu	the one point nobody seems to have noticed re that : use mp style fonts (14 point bold) you won't have a problem.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	use shitass cheapo "businessman" 8 pt thin sans, you're asking to be fucked.	[18:46]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264012 << why would either work ?!	[18:49]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 17:05:49; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: btw i find it interesting that nobody has yet noticed that 1) broken chains 2) orphaned subchains of any length whatsoever --- do not work	[18:49]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264041 << it's open source right ? that means people can come later and fix it so it works as it should, right ?	[18:52]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 17:17:54; asciilifeform: i was not able to find how to enforce level stepping in it.	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	SOFTWARE PARADIGM!!11	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264046 << occasionally.	[18:53]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 17:35:40; asciilifeform: has anyone here ever actually managed to buy, something other than coin or fiat, there /	[18:53]
mircea_popescu	but more of a fleamarket thing than an electronics supply shop thing	[18:54]
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BingoBoingo	!up ufoinc__	[18:58]
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BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/P4wMn << the butthurt	[19:01]
assbot	amheekin comments on Cookie Monsters!!! ...and other stuff I've baked. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKDEHh )	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264067 << it occurs to me that if we're going to do this, we might as well do it on assbot otc.	[19:02]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 18:01:41; asciilifeform: ;;gpg eauth asciilifeform	[19:02]
punkman	mircea_popescu: orphaned is not the right word there, consider that if the last two patches in your V set create two branches, you can't choose a branch. V will try to apply both and doesn't check filehashes during the patching process.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	moreover, something like this might actually be a perfect solution for my marketplace idea too. i wanna buy all sorts of things like 3d models etc.	[19:02]
mircea_popescu	punkman this dawned on me presently. ouch.	[19:02]
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mircea_popescu	btw punkman would you be interested in implementing a otc-marketplace clone ?	[19:03]
ag3nt_zer0	http://www.forbes.com/sites/nealegodfrey/2015/09/06/how-stupid-can-you-be-with-money-ask-lottery-winners/	[19:03]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JKDQGh )	[19:03]
ag3nt_zer0	"Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash"	[19:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41833 @ 0.00073801 = 30.8732 BTC [+] {3}	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 to my eyes this is more a failure of western society than of whittaker himself.	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	i can readily believe that most of the problem was, jack fully expected to be able to BUY THINGS FOR HIS MONEY.	[19:05]
ag3nt_zer0	yeah?	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	whereas this is not "how the world works"	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys.	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	the notion that you'd take as much as 500 bucks to a us strip club...	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	seriously, at that level of service they should be paying you to even go.	[19:06]
punkman	mircea_popescu: sure, but can't sysadmin the box it lives on (and don't want to fight ddos other than making application cache better and whatnot)	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	it's more work to be a us strip club customer than to work there.	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here.	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	however! it occurs to me this actually would work splendidly with deeds.	[19:09]
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ag3nt_zer0	mircea_popescu: what do you mean by this? "he can "win" 315 mn, but he sure as fuck may not turn that into 1mn turkeys."	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	trinque listen, would you consider creating a special deed template, which if satisfied gets taken to amarketplace listing sort-of like otc ? searchable is the important part.	[19:10]
trinque	yeah, that doesn't sound too hard	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	ag3nt_zer0 http://trilema.com/2012/lets-dig-a-little-deeper-into-this-entire-deflation-problem/#selection-99.19-103.20	[19:10]
assbot	Let's dig a little deeper into this entire deflation "problem" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KUTdAo )	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	trinque one second drawing mockup	[19:11]
trinque	may require freedom-of-speech friendly hosting, depending on what's bought and sold	[19:12]
trinque	currently on McAWS	[19:12]
kakobrekla	speaking of searchable, current deeds are not if im correct?	[19:13]
trinque	correct; haven't done that yet	[19:13]
trinque	so far it's a single page; though this marketplace will likely call for a db	[19:14]
trinque	I will probably still take the flat file approach otherwise; I prefer it	[19:14]
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mircea_popescu	trinque http://dpaste.com/3SYPFEM	[19:16]
assbot	dpaste: 3SYPFEM ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKFfNd )	[19:16]
trinque	mircea_popescu: very easy to implement.	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	ikr?	[19:18]
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trinque	yeah sounds great. WoT needs a buy/sell board	[19:18]
mircea_popescu	yeah. and i know i do.	[19:19]
trinque	got a recommendation for non-aws hosting?	[19:19]
trinque	I've wanted to move deedbot- off that for a while anyway	[19:19]
mats	https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net	[19:19]
assbot	NearlyFreeSpeech.NET Web Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKFtnp )	[19:20]
trinque	that'd work once I'm in Houston, as I'm moving my blockchains all onto my own network once there	[19:20]
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trinque	I don't suppose they'd offer enough space for one?	[19:20]
trinque	oh, it looks like they in fact do offer a great deal of space	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	trinque im full and before moving i wanna see if jurov actually comes through with something usable	[19:21]
trinque	mats: experience with them?	[19:21]
trinque	mircea_popescu: k	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	but in principle you get free server.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	once you get the search engine for this, prolly can be applied to deeds too	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	and after that we have a backup in case logs need it	[19:22]
trinque	yep, can be something like categories for particular deeds maybe, this being a "buy/sell"	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	but re the "depending on what's bought and sold", i personally have no qualms whatsoever with negrating into the ground folks who put shit in the board.	[19:23]
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mats	trinque: good support, used em a decade ago to host ecommerce sites	[19:23]
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trinque	yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge	[19:23]
mats	i still hear good things about them on the interwebs so i think they've maintained quality since	[19:23]
trinque	mats: cool	[19:24]
mats	in fact i think alf does?	[19:24]
BingoBoingo	yeah I'd just prefer the 10lb heroin happen on someone else's ass, til I move to the barge << Part of the point of a WoT is keeping out people who's publically list such a thing	[19:24]
trinque	indeed.	[19:24]
pete_dushenski	asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;)	[19:24]
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trinque	o what trolling have I brought upon meself	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	!rated trinque	[19:25]
assbot	You rated user trinque on 17-Oct-2014, with a rating of 3, and supplied these additional notes: Nice work on the deedbot.	[19:25]
trinque	anyhow, sounds like a great idea; I will start hacking on it in spare cycles	[19:26]
punkman	mircea_popescu: punkman this approach is fundamentally at odds with the "lord over a domain" concept of software development prevalent here. << myeah, last attempt didn't work out too well, and I'd rather make my yearly sysadmining allotment shrink than grow	[19:26]
funkenstein_	asciilifeform, what planet would you prefer to live on?	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	retiring eh ?	[19:26]
punkman	one can aspire	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	yeah, aspies.	[19:26]
funkenstein_	trinque, lol. no, I said no "shouldas". The exercise is to learn from history. But since you mention it, how about alexander the great conquering the new world instead of retarded puritan rejects?	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	what exactly do you like about alex ?	[19:27]
punkman	says "great" on the tin	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	i suspek so, buyt hey, let the man stand on his words.	[19:28]
trinque	!b 3	[19:28]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/28WSR5K.txt )	[19:28]
trinque	d'oh	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12400 @ 0.0007375 = 9.145 BTC [-] {3}	[19:28]
trinque	funkenstein_: my point was that you are seeing value in people who could not defend themselves. seems to me that's a prerequisite of being valuable in any other way.	[19:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16800 @ 0.00072673 = 12.2091 BTC [-] {4}	[19:29]
funkenstein_	women and children for example	[19:31]
funkenstein_	programmers in the boxing ring	[19:31]
trinque	or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	wait, what ?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	women and children can't defend themselves ?	[19:31]
mircea_popescu	how come in every fucking conflict it's the men that dioe and the women that survive ?	[19:32]
funkenstein_	well not the conflict we were discussing	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[19:32]
trinque	looks from the faces of south americans that some did survive...	[19:32]
mircea_popescu	i suppose the reason mexicans today are short stocky dwarves is that the spanish mutated.	[19:32]
trinque	heh!	[19:32]
funkenstein_	trinque, very important point thank you	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other.	[19:33]
fluffypony	https://i.imgur.com/jwB2ONv.jpg	[19:33]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1JKGtb4 )	[19:33]
pete_dushenski	;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc)	[19:34]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[19:34]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264213 << all day. i noticed this guy for 'y-3' hoodie	[19:34]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 20:03:46; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263876 << dude this guy, https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg https://igcdn-photos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xaf1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/11849818_393733814153193_1214647642_n.jpg	[19:34]
pete_dushenski	y-3 was my favourite clothing brand, once upon a time when i cared about such things. ideal collision of sportiness, haute fashion, japaneseness, and obscure brand cachet	[19:35]
pete_dushenski	i still have a y-3 hoodie and basketball jersey in my closet	[19:35]
pete_dushenski	the y-3 'football cleats' were possibly the coolest shoes i ever owned. easily my all-time faves.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264110 << by the zing ye shall know the zinger.	[19:36]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 18:25:54; ben_vulpes: and just as certainly leave you complaining that things never get done unless you do them yourself.	[19:36]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264122 << kako very much has it. do not ask to ask, just ask. what can you do ?	[19:37]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 18:41:35; kakobrekla: lets turn this around, what _can_ you do?	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264127 << wedding ?	[19:38]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 18:46:34; trinque: she also made it through mod6's gentoo guide	[19:38]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263694 <- sorry to be that log reader but I'd like to know wtf this means	[19:38]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 04:42:06; mircea_popescu: must kill because can.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	!s if you can you must	[19:39]
assbot	33 results for 'if you can you must' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=if+you+can+you+must	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	see ?	[19:39]
funkenstein_	so shall I program because I can?	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	see also http://trilema.com/2013/the-corn-thing/	[19:39]
assbot	The corn thing on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKGRX2 )	[19:39]
punkman	funkenstein_: inevitably	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	funkenstein_ you might misjudge your can on that score.	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	yes, if you actually could, you inescapably would be.	[19:40]
funkenstein_	because I was under the impression you were encouraging us to have direction and intent in our efforts	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	actual rather than putative, tho.	[19:40]
trinque	mircea_popescu: nah, she's got a few screws loose and doesn't see fit to let me handle 'em with a screwdriver	[19:41]
trinque	bad jurisdiction	[19:41]
trinque	:p	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	is she getting wotroduced ?	[19:41]
trinque	neh, she can find her own way here if she does	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	what's this your sister or something ?	[19:41]
trinque	nah, ex	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	worse huh :D	[19:41]
*	trinque leaves a trail of productive women behind him	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	why leave ? why not just you know, have them love each other.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	then you won't be able to leave the house anymore.	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	like kakobrekla	[19:42]
trinque	culturally retarded is why	[19:42]
funkenstein_	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264159 <-- http://coin-vote.com/poll/55e8a33299baadff0a34acb7	[19:42]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 19:42:24; andychase: That's "vote by how much money you have"	[19:42]
assbot	Coin-Vote ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKH3FZ )	[19:42]
funkenstein_	"built because could"	[19:42]
mircea_popescu	aha.	[19:43]
pete_dushenski	trinque: this same clinton voter girl ?	[19:44]
trinque	nah that's a different one	[19:44]
pete_dushenski	ah, what's this one's cultural retardation then ?	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	what, a woman can'tr vote for clinton if she wants to now ?!	[19:45]
trinque	to summarize, demanding equality while psychologically needing me to set the boundaries	[19:45]
trinque	mircea_popescu: can vote however she likes; that's just a different chick	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	dude if that's your criteria you've excluded a supermajority	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	in the sense of > 100%	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, enough of this pestering guy into a discussion of things he didn't particularly care to discuss.	[19:46]
trinque	heh	[19:46]
trinque	I know others that rock my goddamn boat less, and get more done	[19:46]
btcdrak	BIPCBBSRA is now BIP105	[19:46]
btcdrak	funkenstein_	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	i think longer amount of letter numbers is better bips	[19:47]
pete_dushenski	oh more bips ?	[19:47]
pete_dushenski	more 'debates' ?	[19:47]
funkenstein_	aha thanks	[19:47]
funkenstein_	gotta run sorry, i need a dozen like kakobrekla does - have a good weekend y'all	[19:48]
pete_dushenski	66 v. 100 v. 101 v. 105 v. your mom	[19:48]
funkenstein_	lol	[19:48]
btcdrak	also, the question is sort of bogus. Blocksize does not help bitcoin scale.	[19:48]
pete_dushenski	ya don't say	[19:48]
funkenstein_	good point..	[19:48]
punkman	davout's BIP000 is the only credible choice	[19:48]
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btcdrak	the question needs to be something like "What is the best proposal for blocksize" or whatever	[19:49]
mircea_popescu	btcdrak it is always easier to "rainse awareness" and "solve" problems you imagined than doing something useful.	[19:49]
btcdrak	new altcoin idea: zeroblock.	[19:49]
pete_dushenski	http://www.ebay.ca/itm/adidas-yohji-yamamoto-y-3-y3-football-shoes-sneakers-12-uk-/252059365142?hash=item3aafe8af16 << aforementioned dream sneakers, well-loved y-3 'football' shoes.	[19:51]
assbot	Adidas Yohji Yamamoto Y 3 Y3 Football Shoes Sneakers 12 UK \| eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKHM9Y )	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	anyway, /me is pretty well amused as to how the color revolution experts got color revolutioned up the ass, so hard their head's spinning.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	you hear that nuland ? you ain't got the resources to compete. not good enough.	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1162575.0;all << in that lulzvein. "the people" now creating proposals for voting mechanisms to score the proposals for blabla.	[19:53]
assbot	Voting for block size increase proposals ... ( http://bit.ly/1JKHTT8 )	[19:53]
punkman	bulldozer was totally the best color	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	the entire decapitation of gavin thing, with its attendant disbelief on the enemy side and misallocation of resources/misinvestment of assets in dead pockets was such a major defeat for the usg, "the tikrit offensive"'s nothing compared.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	(but yes, i'm sure "if they really wanted to", meta-etc and so forth, things could have been very different bla bla)	[19:56]
pete_dushenski	"next time" (tm)	[19:57]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264353 << lel. that's one way to win.	[19:58]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 21:26:48; mircea_popescu: so wait, what happened here is i just profited 3 btc off this guy's backup failure ?!	[19:58]
pete_dushenski	"many ways to skin a cat"	[19:58]
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mats	http://as2914.net	[20:03]
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pete_dushenski	!up refferedbyloper_	[20:03]
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pete_dushenski	!up refferedbyloper	[20:04]
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mats	why	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks.	[20:10]
mats	vicious audience	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	i guess sohuh	[20:11]
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punkman	what, two people showed up to ask about phuctor not working today	[20:12]
mircea_popescu	i just meant the webirc link he has	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	(i took mine out, because they fucktardedly started using javscript google captcha)	[20:13]
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punkman	google captcha: the only captcha that works, and only because google knows everyone	[20:14]
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mircea_popescu	works my foot.	[20:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://dpaste.com/1AJ9NGR plox	[20:22]
assbot	dpaste: 1AJ9NGR ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqBrtA )	[20:22]
pete_dushenski	"Here in Seattle, where the first stage of a $15-an-hour minimum wage law took effect in April, Ivar’s seafood restaurants switched to an all-inclusive menu. By raising prices 21 percent and ending tipping, Bob C. Donegan, the president and co-owner, calculated he could increase everyone’s wages." << welcome to japan. i guess the pearl harbour invasion stuck after all.	[20:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18800 @ 0.00072579 = 13.6449 BTC [+] {3}	[20:22]
punkman	what does the all-inclusive menu and no tipping add?	[20:23]
mircea_popescu	nothing. who the fuck eats "all inclusive", waht is this, ivar's school cafeteria ?	[20:24]
pete_dushenski	complete loss of the profit motive for the wait staff	[20:24]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu done	[20:26]
pete_dushenski	"The No. 1 complaint from customers? The prohibition on tips. So while the menu still states that prices include service, the credit card slips now have a line that reads: “If you INSIST on leaving a tip, write it here.”" << mkay this is the icing on the stupid cake. at least in japan, leaving a tip is tantamount to slapping the server's mother with your flaccid cock.	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	but in the united states of workerdignity, you can't leave a tip. unless you do.	[20:27]
pete_dushenski	and of course, the server will still be tickled pink because that's the ~culture~	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	you're supposed to tip in north america	[20:28]
pete_dushenski	goddam socialists always trying to superimpose utopia and shove a square peg in a round hole	[20:28]
punkman	tipping every single idiot seems quite strange to me	[20:29]
pete_dushenski	you mean every server at every meal ? or kitchen staff ?	[20:29]
pete_dushenski	because i agree that kitchen staff should take their salary and shut up	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	though here, 'tip splitting' is the de facto food insdustry standard	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	the kitchen always gets a cut, so a server might only see 3-4% of a 10% tip, so she won't be too pleased	[20:30]
pete_dushenski	so 15-20% becomes 'acceptable' in their dumb heads	[20:31]
punkman	you do a good job, or maybe your ass looked good, or I just felt like it, you get a tip	[20:31]
pete_dushenski	to the point where i've seen credit card and debit card terminals that ask if you want to tip one of three pre-selected amounts : 15%, 20%, or 25%.	[20:32]
pete_dushenski	i'm pretty sure there are even 20-25-30 ones about, which is lunacy on a stick	[20:32]
punkman	lol	[20:32]
pete_dushenski	nothing irks me quite like holier-than-thou bellboys though, once had one in nyc who flat-out rejected $2. "not enough". because 0>2 in his fucking sandfilled head	[20:34]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45593 @ 0.00073787 = 33.6417 BTC [+] {5}	[20:37]
mircea_popescu	usistan not hungry enough.	[20:41]
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punkman	http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2015/09/countries-difficult-visas-travel/403267/?single_page=true	[20:43]
assbot	The Countries Where It's Most Difficult to Get a Visa - The Atlantic ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqColy )	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	in my experience : brazil	[20:43]
pete_dushenski	bbiab	[20:43]
mircea_popescu	https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html << this probably needs a repost. via shinohai	[20:44]
assbot	RFC-2631, fips 186-3 and openssl's implementation of DSA	[20:44]
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mircea_popescu	ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter.	[20:48]
mircea_popescu	(cryptlib / gnupg 2.x guy)	[20:49]
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shinohai	I would be absolutely miserable working for a place like this: http://thenextweb.com/lifehacks/2015/09/05/what-it-means-to-build-a-culture-of-positivity/	[20:58]
assbot	What it means to build a culture of positivity ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD5LH )	[20:58]
punkman	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/04/mozilla_firefox_bugzilla_leak/	[20:58]
assbot	Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD4HV )	[20:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13250 @ 0.00072481 = 9.6037 BTC [-] {3}	[20:58]
shinohai	What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online.	[20:58]
punkman	"According to the FAQ, a total of 185 secret bugs leaked. Of those, Mozilla categorizes 53 as "severe vulnerabilities." The oldest of those went unpatched for 335 or more days"	[20:59]
punkman	when do we start making a browser?	[21:00]
shinohai	335 days O.o	[21:00]
punkman	well yeah they had important "Features" to work on first	[21:00]
shinohai	I'd like a browser that doesn't break every time it updates every 3 days	[21:01]
mats	is it because multiple customers put orders in at the same time?	[21:02]
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mats	i guess it worked because i was the only one with any volume for the longest time	[21:04]
mats	well, if its any consolation, there's a btc for your troubles when coinbr is up, i know you do a lot of pro bono work around here	[21:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00072471 = 7.6457 BTC [-]	[21:08]
shinohai	One day when I actually have btc I need someone to show me the ropes on coinbr	[21:10]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 00:33:21; Bingo_VACAY: Juriv seriously consider raising coinbr fees	[21:13]
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oglafbot	http://oglaf.com/penpals/	[21:14]
assbot	Pen Pals ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqDRbA )	[21:14]
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BingoBoingo	Ah, well	[21:16]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1iqE1jk )	[21:18]
shinohai	LOLZ jurov	[21:23]
BingoBoingo	https://archive.is/eA9YX	[21:24]
assbot	Start a 'Grease Bucket Challenge' to raise awareness about obesity. : CrazyIdeas ... ( http://bit.ly/1JZPyMn )	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	lol pc frog	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	however if you want the best of the best cafeteria food - that's level two! be positive online, move to san francisco!	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	hiring in the traditional sense has no bearing on all this. it's "hiring", as in, usg "hires" you to lap up the welfare faucet drippings.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations.	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	on the minus side, if you can do it for a year and not want to kill yourself every night, you'll know you're dumb. not even "not smart". outright dumb.	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	when do we start making a browser? << noty.	[21:38]
shinohai	Ironically mircea_popescu, the hashbang guys wanted me to come to San Fran and work lol	[21:39]
mircea_popescu	aha	[21:40]
shinohai	I'd last about a week before I burnt the place down.	[21:42]
mircea_popescu	but to be fair : i also won't hire them if they've been stupid online.	[21:42]
shinohai	Or mybe I could sustain another workplace injury nd double my income.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	so it's just where the wall is drawn.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde.	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	all things have a place and a place for all things.	[21:43]
shinohai	True. ^	[21:45]
shinohai	No one wants to be around someone that always projects negativity. But isn't there something to be said for honesty?	[21:48]
shinohai	If someone tells me my product sucks, and it genuinely sucks, perhaps I can use that feedback to not suck.	[21:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23600 @ 0.00073841 = 17.4265 BTC [+] {3}	[21:50]
pete_dushenski	shinohai: coincidentally, i just saw this http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/06/business/smart-workers-seek-out-advice-study-suggests.html?src=me	[21:50]
assbot	Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkiSEy )	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	that's not even the main point. the main point is that they abhor hierarchy, and want the world to be flat.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	negative reinforcement is what your superiors do, and they can't have any.	[21:50]
mircea_popescu	so you know, if his product sucks tell him in such a way that it doesn't come out you're better than him, and he won't think you were "being negative"	[21:51]
mircea_popescu	all this derpage to assuage the fears and terrors of the 14yo mind already... it's kinda sad.	[21:52]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264638 << 0.5% per trade is plenty.	[21:55]
assbot	Logged on 07-09-2015 00:13:24; jurov: and the % .. maaybe someday	[21:55]
pete_dushenski	dunno where BingoBoingo gets the idea that he's jurov's business development advisor now	[21:55]
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shinohai	I may be totally wrong, but I think it is foolhardy not to seek advice and varied viewpoints.	[21:57]
pete_dushenski	downtime*	[21:57]
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pete_dushenski	shinohai: sure, but i didn't see jurov seeking advice here. maybe i missed this in the logs ?	[21:58]
pete_dushenski	!s hashbang	[21:59]
assbot	5 results for 'hashbang' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashbang	[21:59]
*	BingoBoingo just tossed out that suggestion	[21:59]
pete_dushenski	the equivalent being jurov telling qntra to put up a paywall because "make more skrillz!"	[22:00]
pete_dushenski	;;ticker	[22:00]
gribble	Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 242.36, Best ask: 242.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 242.37, 24 hour volume: 20324.8238345, 24 hour low: 235.75, 24 hour high: 248.48, 24 hour vwap: None	[22:00]
BingoBoingo	Would give that idea consideration	[22:01]
pete_dushenski	not saying you wouldn't	[22:01]
mats	i love drama	[22:01]
pete_dushenski	and maybe someday, we'll live to see it	[22:01]
pete_dushenski	mats: drama ? heh this little tickling ?	[22:01]
mats	your mom	[22:02]
shinohai	https://i.imgur.com/PkBridv.jpg	[22:02]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1NkjB8E )	[22:02]
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pete_dushenski	speaking of qntra, it's coming up on its first bday, neh ?	[22:04]
pete_dushenski	october, wasn't it	[22:05]
BingoBoingo	it is	[22:05]
pete_dushenski	pretty sweet	[22:05]
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pete_dushenski	and s.qntr has gone from 0.00013514 to 0.00039 !!!	[22:06]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14300 @ 0.00072881 = 10.422 BTC [-]	[22:06]
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pete_dushenski	http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-qntr/	[22:06]
assbot	S.QNTR Analysis - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1NkjY2Y )	[22:06]
pete_dushenski	"Eugenie Bouchard has pulled out of the US Open with a concussion. TSN has learned that Bouchard sustained the injury on Friday night when she tripped while walking from the training room to room where the ice bath is located." << go canada ;/	[22:09]
shinohai	Qntra ... Powered by the tears of reddit (tm)	[22:10]
pete_dushenski	and truth !	[22:13]
pete_dushenski	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264355 << if this doesn't encourage a few more kids to put their money where their mouths are, nothing will. now if they only had any money...	[22:20]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 21:27:29; mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.00541072 * 15000	[22:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7600 @ 0.00072881 = 5.539 BTC [-]	[22:24]
pete_dushenski	bbl	[22:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29155 @ 0.00073723 = 21.4939 BTC [+] {5}	[22:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32000 @ 0.00073866 = 23.6371 BTC [+]	[22:44]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264205 << win. where do i buy a ticket to the public impalement of the 'best practices' folks ?	[22:47]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 19:55:05; shinohai: https://j.ludost.net/blog/archives/2015/09/05/rfc-2631_fips_186-3_and_openssls_implementation_of_dsa_appear_broken_and_possibly_backdoored/index.html	[22:47]
asciilifeform	that's what i wanna know	[22:47]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264271 << checking TAKES AS LONG AS RECALCULATING	[22:48]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 20:36:02; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263952 << understand, there's no hardware solution to this problem. you may make the probability less, but the only path to certainty is checking.	[22:48]
asciilifeform	because it ~is~ equivalent to recalculating !	[22:48]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264281 << neato. kakobrekla, do you have it on your list ?	[22:49]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 20:42:32; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263954 << 188.68.240.159 is also online, running pressed stator.	[22:49]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264312 << if you let the attach be mime/txt, line endings will be mutilated, aha.	[22:49]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 21:10:03; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1263972 << add to that, "never use known file extensions".	[22:49]
asciilifeform	Because It Can.	[22:50]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264334 << tr0l0l0l, gold medal. can take off the walrus mask now - which one of you rascals was this.	[22:51]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 21:18:13; anton_osika: So long. Thanks for the voice until I can become friends with phunctor.	[22:51]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264370 << 'work' as in their presence must not make the thing blow up. atm, it does.	[22:52]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 21:47:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264012 << why would either work ?!	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	aha	[22:53]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264422 << completely useless for anything but static html. it simply happens to be where my site lives	[22:54]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 22:17:52; mats: https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net	[22:54]
asciilifeform	(you can't actually get a 24/7 unix process at n.f.s. - it's a plain old www hoster, 1990s-style)	[22:54]
asciilifeform	~and~ it's american.	[22:54]
asciilifeform	prolly not of interest to anyone here.	[22:54]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264440 << see above.	[22:55]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:10; mats: in fact i think alf does?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264443 << i don't expect to get anything out of this. or rather, i don't expect to see any of the things that i want, for the price i can afford. this requires broke, desperate americans selling to make rent. and i can't see them doing it on mircea_popescutron	[22:56]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 22:22:48; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: unless you already have dark market connex, you might have to wait for mircea_popescu/trinque's new buy/sell board ;)	[22:56]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264476 << same, l0l	[22:57]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:46; mircea_popescu: incidentally /me hates that trait more than any other.	[22:57]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264479 << holy fuck man what've you been smoking	[22:57]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 22:31:55; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell asciilifeform also, 'order id 22472' would indicate that you have more available btc than rothschilds. who's poor now ? (and yes, i understand that no one will ever actually offer you 'taig' via -otc)	[22:57]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264569 << it's that one bloke, every time. mr. misspell.	[22:58]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 23:07:59; mircea_popescu: i dunno. oddly the stan brood never talks.	[22:58]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264609 << this needs exposition work imho	[23:01]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 23:46:21; mircea_popescu: ml also interesting for all the misdirection and denial work Peter Gutmann pgut001@cs.auckland.ac.nz sinks into the matter.	[23:01]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264614 << note the standard slimeball blame shift to the folks who busted the bug vault, rather than the turds who collected and sat on the goodies for usgtronic purpose	[23:02]
assbot	Logged on 06-09-2015 23:56:11; assbot: Hackers spent at least a year spying on Mozilla to discover Firefox security holes – and exploit them • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1iqD4HV )	[23:02]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264649 << where does my personal circle of hell fit into this dante inferno ? y'know, the one with work	[23:05]
assbot	Logged on 07-09-2015 00:33:26; mircea_popescu: on the plus side, you won't have any actual work to do, that sort where you could encounter and might have to overcome your own stupidity and general human limitations.	[23:05]
asciilifeform	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264658 << omitted important elements, the zombie city and the celestial horde.	[23:06]
assbot	Logged on 07-09-2015 00:41:34; mircea_popescu: either don't be stupid, if you can, or if you can't, then don't be negative. sorcerers in the celestial city. zombies in the zombie horde.	[23:06]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/a/GIDeo << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like.	[23:34]
assbot	The Museum of Sleep-ad-Libitum ! - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHYo9U )	[23:34]
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asciilifeform	five motherfucking stories of it.	[23:34]
mircea_popescu	ahaha no, those chairs suck	[23:34]
asciilifeform	there were perhaps 1,001 types of chair.	[23:35]
asciilifeform	from ludovic vii to aeron.	[23:35]
mircea_popescu	they all seem the same, but maybe just bad pic choice	[23:35]
asciilifeform	rooms had 'countries' theme - 'britain', 'russia', etc.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	with predominantly 19th c (or early to mid 20th in some cases) setting for each.	[23:36]
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mircea_popescu	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1264739 << there's always one of these precious "oh nothing happened lolz" derps mixing themselves in every discussion	[23:36]
assbot	Logged on 07-09-2015 01:59:41; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-09-2015#1264609 << this needs exposition work imho	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	in this case, it was gutmann	[23:37]
asciilifeform	how else!	[23:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16825 @ 0.00072652 = 12.2237 BTC [-] {3}	[23:38]
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asciilifeform	i had never before been inside a hose half like that.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	it was brain-melting.	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	re that "blame shift" : i wouldn't even say it's blame shift or anything. pure "us vs them" mentality. obama bombs some schools ? YAY! schools organise and shoot some us terrorists ? BOO!!1	[23:39]
asciilifeform	~THIS~ is how actual people lived.	[23:39]
asciilifeform	^ makes sense	[23:40]
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asciilifeform	btw that was also the first time in my entire life in usa that i saw proper european-height ceilings.	[23:40]
asciilifeform	(in a residential bldg)	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	and ftr it's perfectly sound. who exactly do you suppose will get quarter for "having been a very competent usg agent" ?	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	chtulhu can eat him first	[23:40]
asciilifeform	speaking of which, the curator informed me that j.e.hoover quartered his agents in that place.	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	what is it, some sort of hotrel ?	[23:43]
asciilifeform	house of 19th c. mega-imperial somebody, turned into a museum-cum-whore-hotel	[23:44]
mircea_popescu	aha	[23:44]
asciilifeform	http://www.omansion.com << very spammy www, if i learned of it from www instead of wandering in, would not have even contemplated setting foot near it	[23:44]
assbot	The Mansion on O Street™ \| Events, weddings, b&b & more in Dupont Circle, Washington DC. ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHZsL2 )	[23:44]
asciilifeform	possibly one of the worst company www i have ever seen.	[23:45]
asciilifeform	and yes, one can rent the place by the hour, day, month, and actually shit in them golden toilets !!	[23:45]
asciilifeform	^ ben_vulpes et al	[23:45]
asciilifeform	^ anybody else in gringolandia.	[23:46]
mats	lol, front page: white, azn, brown child	[23:46]
asciilifeform	mats: i disrecommend the www; just see my photos.	[23:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4725 @ 0.00072985 = 3.4485 BTC [+]	[23:47]
asciilifeform	though ftr i was there for ~2h and didn't visit even half the rooms.	[23:47]
*	asciilifeform was there with pet, and afterwards we had debate re: whether 'if even a few of the folks with maxint usd wanted a house like this, how many could be satisfied, ..., ..., turkey-buying dollars (tm), ..., ... .'	[23:48]
mats	i looked at em, gaudy stuff	[23:48]
asciilifeform	mats: much of the garbage in the photos is 'yard sale'	[23:48]
asciilifeform	(literally, the folks who work in that place, brought the crud in for sale)	[23:49]
asciilifeform	it is where the piles of 'books' came from	[23:49]
mats	lol	[23:49]
mircea_popescu	i'm not entirely certain what exactly strikes your fancy so, asciilifeform	[23:50]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: similar feeling to when i saw an american grocery store for first time	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	!up zveda	[23:51]
-assbot-	You voiced zveda for 30 minutes.	[23:51]
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zveda	mircea_popescu: thanks	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	aha. who're you ?	[23:51]
asciilifeform	'so this is what actual life looked like.'	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the abundance of items ? or what ?	[23:51]
asciilifeform	nonononono	[23:51]
asciilifeform	of space.	[23:51]
asciilifeform	fuck the items.	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	http://i.imgur.com/gIkqgKO.jpg < such as ?	[23:52]
assbot	... ( http://bit.ly/1i6SZLF )	[23:52]
mircea_popescu	first bidet masquerading as bathtub ive ver seen	[23:52]
asciilifeform	there were something like seven wooden tubs of various kinds, in just the rooms i saw	[23:53]
mats	reminds me of bath stall for old folks	[23:53]
asciilifeform	no 'pressed shitboard' either	[23:53]
asciilifeform	mats: actually old ru rubs were of the 'sit-down' kind	[23:53]
asciilifeform	mats: i bathed in one as a boy	[23:53]
asciilifeform	it was sop.	[23:53]
mats	interesting	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform incidentally, you ever been on the west coast ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	then shittification, pressboardification, 'modern' towers, shitter/bath combos, and 'lie-down' enameled steel tubs.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: nope	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	are you going ?	[23:54]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: never had a reason to go	[23:54]
asciilifeform	i've never been to alaska either	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	well there certainly exist better museums of "sleep ad libitum" all through california.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	and it is ahead on the list	[23:54]
mircea_popescu	yes but this'd be relevant to your interests.	[23:54]
asciilifeform	any in particular ?	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	i dunno, dude, chris rhea's house lol.	[23:57]
mircea_popescu	anyone really.	[23:57]
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mircea_popescu	rea*	[23:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00073432 = 6.6089 BTC [+] {5}	[23:58]
asciilifeform	it is a museum ?	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	mno.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	hm.	[23:59]
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asciilifeform	i don't personally know a fella named chris rhea.	[23:59]
asciilifeform	so i can't imagine he would invite me for tea.	[23:59]

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