Forum logs for 06 May 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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asciilifeform	davout: circled is bullet holes	[00:02]
davout	asciilifeform: i google translated the whole thing bit by bit, fucking scary	[00:02]
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asciilifeform	the only thing there seems to be a kind of general agreement about is that the folks inside were fleeing from raging mob, and barricaded themselves in	[00:03]
davout	that's not really the impression i get from this -> "Юноша и девушка. Они не сгорели и не задохнулись - нет признаков открытого огня на паркете (ему лет 50 и он должен был вспыхнуть как солома) и копоти от дыма на стенах. Их убили другим способом. Скорее всего обоим	[00:03]
davout	сломали шеи - профессионалы развлекались."	[00:03]
asciilifeform	yeah that's the russian version	[00:04]
asciilifeform	that at least some of the corpses belonged to folks who were machine-gunned or beaten to death outside, then dragged in for the burning	[00:04]
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davout	yeah, the guy with the sunnies seems to be corroborating that	[00:05]
asciilifeform	the popular notion that usa has the objective of re-establishing the old ua gov. is, imho, mistaken	[00:06]
davout	guess i'm missing a lot of context here	[00:06]
asciilifeform	what we're actually seeing is brzezinski's 'controlled chaos' algorithm.	[00:06]
davout	keep talking	[00:06]
asciilifeform	see usa re: libya, syria, etc.	[00:07]
asciilifeform	'let's you and him fight.'	[00:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00085222 = 8.3944 BTC [-] {2}	[00:12]
davout	sounds pretty sensible	[00:12]
asciilifeform	'divide & conquer' etc. no news here.	[00:12]
davout	or maybe just stay the fuck away from trouble	[00:13]
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asciilifeform	'you may not be interested in war, but war is certainly interested in you.'	[00:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7798 @ 0.00085355 = 6.656 BTC [+]	[00:15]
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Naphex	mike_c: not really, best i had was like 30mbs	[00:19]
Naphex	mike_c: but its deffinetly there they host some big nodes pretty close	[00:20]
Naphex	(internet exchange nodes)	[00:21]
mike_c	i believe they have the capacity, but that's not all that counts during ddos. just curious what they were like under fire. let me know if you ever find out ;)	[00:21]
Naphex	sure, i have been using them for lots of years now. very satisfied	[00:22]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00085437 = 2.734 BTC [+] {2}	[00:26]
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Namworld	Thanks to the miracle of whois, I'm receiving phone calls about a car in the parking lot.	[00:34]
fluffypony	lol	[00:35]
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Namworld	Maybe I should add whois privacy, maybe not. But it's weird getting phone calls from strangers who managed to find out what's the phone number for your address. Whois is the only result on google for my address with the phone number attached.	[00:37]
Namworld	They noticed the car didn't move all winter, they want to know who's car it is and buy it.	[00:38]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.0322 = 0.483 BTC [-]	[00:38]
mod6	gonna restart atcbot, hang tight.	[00:38]
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mod6	%h	[00:39]
atcbot	%t \| %ticker \| %book \| %diff \| %tx \| %bal \| %mined \| %block \| %lb \| %tslb \| %cm \| %ptp \| %help \| %h	[00:39]
mod6	%tslb	[00:39]
atcbot	41 minutes and 31 seconds	[00:39]
mod6	there you go BingoBoingo	[00:40]
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mod6	%t	[00:40]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224	[00:40]
mike_c	%tx 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c	[00:41]
atcbot	[ATC TX] TX_ID: 991270b4ca10a02a72305af02406415191748890a70bf1dd20b09b0c3782767c Block: 30671 Confirmations: 6 Time: 2014-05-05T18:42:52Z Fee: 0.00000000 Days Destroyed: 666.67 IsUnconfirmed: false Sum of Incoming TXs: 250 Sum of Outgoing TXs: 250	[00:41]
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mike_c	cool	[00:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0328999 = 0.329 BTC [+] {2}	[00:41]
thestringpuller	mod6: mod6 mod6 mod6	[00:42]
mike_c	%bal 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k	[00:42]
atcbot	[ATC Balance] Address: 19zWDQg5Mtpsp3BoYxkq6vr4BL1Kjsua7k Balance: 1872583.9047 Total Received: 1872583.9047 Number TXs: 3 Confirmations: 2	[00:42]
mike_c	^ atc baller	[00:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0321003 = 0.2568 BTC [-]	[00:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.03264275 = 0.1306 BTC [+] {2}	[00:45]
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BingoBoingo	mod6: Kind of	[00:46]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0326975 = 0.1308 BTC [+] {2}	[00:46]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14650 @ 0.00085456 = 12.5193 BTC [+] {3}	[00:48]
BingoBoingo	So true	[00:48]
mike_c	BingoBoingo: i looked over your atc reports, but i didn't have much trade history to try and correlate them with. the biggest "leak" seems to me that you are reporting each month whether you are long or short ATC.	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/05/05/north_korea_s_news_agency_writes_news_analysis_of_american_life.html	[00:49]
ozbot	North Korea’s news agency writes “news analysis” of American life.	[00:49]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Thanks	[00:49]
thestringpuller	BitID looks so lame	[00:49]
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mike_c	for such an active trader, it feels like an important piece of information to give away. but the alternative is to basically say nothing each month except BTC + (atc converted to btc). so i don't know what you can do about that.	[00:50]
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kakobrekla	BingoBoingo fyi http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-05-2014#659018	[00:51]
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dub	BingoBoingo: they nailed it	[00:53]
BingoBoingo	kakobrekla: I've got so much logs to catch up on	[00:54]
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kakobrekla	dunno if this was here; http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3	[00:55]
mod6	BingoBoingo: wait, that isn't what you'be been looking for?	[00:57]
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BingoBoingo	mod6: Which thing, I'm still catching up on logs. will take a while.	[00:57]
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mod6	oh, just saw you doing tslb on atcbot before it had it. thought you'd be happy :}	[00:58]
Naphex	kakobrekla: looks fake to me tbh	[00:58]
mod6	thestringpuller: haha, lightin me up huh	[00:58]
Naphex	i run ssh honeypots, like 9	[00:58]
dub	blackwhitewatcoin	[00:59]
Naphex	and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory	[00:59]
kakobrekla	altcoins give it away	[00:59]
BingoBoingo	Fucking America Healthcare. See three other doctors/doctor extenders before primary care doctor starts treating the thing you wanted treated in the first place	[00:59]
Naphex	also most of the authentication goes through PAM	[01:00]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00085297 = 11.5151 BTC [-] {2}	[01:00]
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Naphex	they run memory leak and then just get shadow and uname and such ;]	[01:00]
Naphex	probably just a scam to get foolish scriptkids too pay for fake 0day	[01:00]
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BingoBoingo	The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store	[01:01]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 60 @ 0.4500035 = 27.0002 BTC [+] {4}	[01:03]
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artifexd	You're probably considerably better educated about pharmaceuticals than Joe Sixpack. He would end up killing himself or depleting the world wide oxycodone supply.	[01:04]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.45 = 0.9 BTC [-]	[01:05]
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Namworld	Yeah, but they can't just let anyone order whatever. They can't make the difference between a junky, a hypochondriac and someone with a clue. Plus lawsuits and all that.	[01:05]
Namworld	Plus even if you have a clue, might not always be right.	[01:06]
BingoBoingo	What they need is an equivalent of Ham radio testing. Pass the exam, you can do your own damn primary care.	[01:06]
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Namworld	Two words: Medical. Bay.	[01:07]
BingoBoingo	Someone abuses it an OD's their fault because they passed the test and should have known better.	[01:07]
Namworld	You might have to wait a while for that tho.	[01:07]
bitcoinpete	ha! havelock's first tweet since nov 1, 2013 is a pic of a fight they're sponsoring in panama	[01:07]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/Havelock_Inv/status/463437933865754624	[01:07]
ozbot	Twitter / Havelock_Inv: http://t.co/aXZvjV0gUg	[01:07]
bitcoinpete	muay thai!	[01:08]
artifexd	;;rate mod6 1 Perl programmer of atcbot repute.	[01:08]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user mod6 has changed from 1 to 1.	[01:08]
mike_c	;;rate mod6 1 doing good work with atcbot	[01:09]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mod6 has been recorded.	[01:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 22 @ 0.03202286 = 0.7045 BTC [-] {9}	[01:10]
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mod6	thx guise	[01:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 37 @ 0.06474168 = 2.3954 BTC [-]	[01:12]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12258 @ 0.00084983 = 10.4172 BTC [-] {3}	[01:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ALC] 1 @ 0.145 BTC [+]	[01:14]
Naphex	gn o/	[01:14]
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Naphex	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24st11/regarding_brain_wallets_why_not_store_salts_on/	[01:17]
ozbot	Regarding brain wallets, why not store salts on the blockchain to prevent attacks? : Bitcoin	[01:17]
Naphex	lol	[01:17]
Naphex	user might be talking about bath salts ;]	[01:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1577 @ 0.0008484 = 1.3379 BTC [-]	[01:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4050 @ 0.00085329 = 3.4558 BTC [+]	[01:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0777799 = 0.1556 BTC [+]	[01:36]
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BingoBoingo	!t h COG	[01:41]
assbot	I don't give a shit who saw what and who did what or who did who.	[01:41]
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BingoBoingo	jurov: Amazing how common these "rare" microbes are	[01:47]
mike_c	oh wow, cog is gone too. that's SF2, neobbq, and cog in that last couple weeks.	[01:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00085521 = 14.8379 BTC [+] {2}	[01:48]
BingoBoingo	mike_c: Yeah. It's hard telling what Havelock's thing is, but if S.Dice got MP a letter...	[01:49]
mike_c	seriously	[01:50]
BingoBoingo	!up Guest95361	[01:51]
assbot	Voicing Guest95361 for 30 minutes.	[01:51]
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Guest95361	Yeah, Havelock is going to do fine. They are not breaking any laws at all and I can confirm that much	[01:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07778 = 0.4667 BTC [+]	[01:51]
Guest95361	And they have various "shit hits the fan" plans	[01:52]
BingoBoingo	Guest15829: May I inquire your source or relation?	[01:52]
Guest95361	I would rather not say, thats really all the input I can give however they are licensed to accept public investment, and are breaking no laws in their jurisdiction	[01:53]
Guest95361	Obviously their "shit hits the fan" plans are not something anyone can really prove to you	[01:53]
BingoBoingo	This is a common refrain, but an also common lack of disclosure and documentation (re: licenses and permits)	[01:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07778 = 0.2333 BTC [+]	[01:54]
Guest95361	I can say with 100% certainty that they have them	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	I mean mircea_popescu offers insight into his Shit Hits the Fan contingency plan publicly.	[01:55]
Guest95361	They seem to be very private people, however it certainly does exist	[01:55]
Naphex	can you give an example? as guest?	[01:55]
jurov	it isn't even clearly known they do exist	[01:55]
BingoBoingo	^	[01:56]
Naphex	maybe they are terrible plans ;/	[01:56]
Guest95361	They are rather good plans, and I know that its not known. Its not my place to say	[01:56]
benkay	who is this Guest95361 ?	[01:58]
Guest95361	One of the more underestimated members of the community	[01:58]
benkay	community?	[01:58]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: They are some anon who Pm'd me for !up	[01:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5885 @ 0.00085443 = 5.0283 BTC [-] {2}	[01:59]
benkay	Guest95361: you understand why this is a weak play, right?	[01:59]
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BingoBoingo	benkay: Said they know something about havelock, Doesn't seem to be offering anything new.	[01:59]
jurov	IP from the UK.. are you Nefario?	[01:59]
Guest95361	I have no financial incentive	[01:59]
Guest95361	And no, certainly not nefarious nefario	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	jurov: BTCENTRALPLUS.COM to be precise	[02:00]
Guest95361	Crap, you just narrowed it down to 90% of the UK	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	Eh	[02:00]
BingoBoingo	a narrowing is a narrowing	[02:00]
Guest95361	True, with enough information...	[02:01]
Guest95361	Although then again you rely on the fact that I don't use a VPN for that part	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	At least it suggests who you aren't	[02:01]
Guest95361	Very true	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	For example probably not Panama	[02:01]
Guest95361	I'm not Mark Karpeles, I'll tell you that much	[02:01]
BingoBoingo	Probably not Topace	[02:01]
Guest95361	It is rather hard to be an entire nation	[02:01]
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BingoBoingo	Guest95361: Didn't seem so hard for Mussolini or the Kims of Korea	[02:02]
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Guest95361	That one I will grant you	[02:02]
jurov	Guest95361 someday we'll maybe release our logs from coinroll listing negotiations...and there will be lulz	[02:03]
Guest95361	Anyhow, I am of no significance. I am off. Goodbye	[02:03]
Guest95361	!down Guest95361	[02:03]
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BingoBoingo	jurov: That will be an interesting day	[02:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4418 @ 0.00085329 = 3.7698 BTC [-]	[02:15]
BingoBoingo	If there's one thing I've learned from this recent medical chaos it is that I am not an alcoholic	[02:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 12 @ 0.03289644 = 0.3948 BTC [+] {2}	[02:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.06474168 = 0.6474 BTC [-]	[02:18]
BingoBoingo	Haven't had a drink in days and no Delerium tremens	[02:18]
Duffer1	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596740.0	[02:20]
ozbot	[ActiveMining] Lawsuit - Shareholder Discussion	[02:20]
Duffer1	who could have possibly seen this coming	[02:20]
Duffer1	i think i just sprained an eyeball rolling them so hard	[02:21]
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mike_c	jurov, any reason not to release those docs?	[02:24]
jurov	it's quite much, stretching for months, we're busy with other stuff	[02:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07779665 = 0.9336 BTC [+] {4}	[02:25]
mike_c	that is a good reason :) still, it would make quite a blog post.	[02:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07798315 = 0.4679 BTC [+] {4}	[02:26]
BingoBoingo	jurov: You just laid out a way to publish the stuff. Each month gets a post, one post per week.	[02:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07814995 = 0.3126 BTC [+] {2}	[02:27]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9134 @ 0.00085329 = 7.794 BTC [-]	[02:27]
jurov	hehe they did not give me succinct summary like dotcoin did	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	jurov: That's why you turn it into a serial.	[02:29]
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jurov	Part 1: In which Ivan from Havelock explains they are a platform for funding development of new projects exclusively	[02:30]
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jurov	Part 2: In which Ivan still does not understand what IPO stands for	[02:31]
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jurov	Part 3: In which we seek anyone other than	[02:31]
Duffer1	seems ipo = kickstarter in his mind	[02:31]
jurov	Ivan, but in vain	[02:31]
BingoBoingo	Maybe Havelock had the foresight to give you the anagram representative	[02:32]
jurov	Part 4: In which the requirement to be incorporate and fill 1" thick questionnaire with corporate details comes to light	[02:33]
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Duffer1	does panama not have brokerage regulation?	[02:34]
jurov	Part 5: Exercise with signing offline wallet, in which Ivan does not understand why the funds were moved right after the signing	[02:34]
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Duffer1	seems like an excercise in discovering how many laws he's breaking in different parts of the world would be an ammusing excercize	[02:35]
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Duffer1	how many times can i spell excercize incorrectly in the same sentence	[02:35]
bitcoinpete	http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/	[02:36]
ozbot	On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses \| When Bitcoin Met Pete	[02:37]
bitcoinpete	on this topic, i won't pretend that i have it nailed down	[02:37]
bitcoinpete	but i'm more clear than i was a week ago	[02:38]
bitcoinpete	also: men wanted http://imgur.com/tqzYjn5	[02:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00085708 = 8.0137 BTC [+]	[02:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10400 @ 0.00085799 = 8.9231 BTC [+] {3}	[02:47]
jurov	mike_c i commented on that	[02:49]
jurov	er.. bitcoinpete, sry	[02:50]
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bitcoinpete	jurov: got it!	[02:51]
jurov	oh, iot does not publish replies?	[02:52]
bitcoinpete	jurov: just replied now http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/05/05/on-reusing-bitcoin-addresses/#comment-262	[02:54]
bitcoinpete	since everything gets sloshed together in a reused address, the taint is less clearcut, as i understand it	[02:56]
bitcoinpete	dignork: the rounder, more even number is usually a bit of a giveaway	[02:57]
bitcoinpete	that too	[02:57]
bitcoinpete	http://imgur.com/R8kZ8JT <	[02:59]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[02:59]
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jurov	gets sloshed together in a reused address <	[03:00]
jurov	just try it yourself, again	[03:00]
BingoBoingo	Oh, the local hospital's discharge papers now have all of the lab values.	[03:00]
jurov	and analyze the resulting tx	[03:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20320 @ 0.00085981 = 17.4713 BTC [+] {2}	[03:06]
bitcoinpete	jurov dignork i think reusing does work, let's look at this address, which may or may not be mp's bitbet address: https://blockchain.info/address/1K4FswVNus5xJZJ6TYqAzWSy3tXBBFdGnM	[03:09]
jurov	look here: https://blockchain.info/tx/35fd728c68e583ab4978e32f3fe373dffb800ad97b5b75410a5c0954848eb513	[03:10]
jurov	1K4F is named 4 times	[03:10]
jurov	in inputs	[03:10]
jurov	these did NOT get "sloshed" together	[03:11]
jurov	if you send 1 satoshi million times onto one address	[03:11]
jurov	to spend it, you then have to create tx with million inputs	[03:11]
jurov	and every input will be traceable back to its source	[03:12]
bitcoinpete	the source being the miner?	[03:12]
jurov	no, i mean the address you sent these satoshis from in first place	[03:14]
bitcoinpete	i'm starting to see what you're saying though	[03:14]
bitcoinpete	ok	[03:14]
bitcoinpete	i'm honestly reasonably confused.	[03:14]
bitcoinpete	mostly as to what you're understanding that mp isn't	[03:15]
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jurov	look onto it this way: forget addresses, they're just a convenience for humans and are not strictly needed in the blockchain	[03:15]
jurov	bitcoin transaction is just set of inputs and outputs	[03:16]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26465 @ 0.00085452 = 22.6149 BTC [-] {2}	[03:16]
jurov	every output is an input to another transaction and has unique ID	[03:16]
jurov	they are unique regardless if they belongs to one address or not	[03:17]
jurov	address does not have a balance, that is an illusion	[03:19]
jurov	to get address' balance one has to traverse whole blockchain and collect its unspent outputs	[03:19]
jurov	that's main reason why bitcoin full nodes are such hogs	[03:20]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Oh yeah, that's some cool stuff atc bot does now	[03:20]
jurov	and armory/electrum servers as well	[03:20]
bitcoinpete	jurov: i'm with you	[03:20]
jurov	any question?	[03:21]
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bitcoinpete	does it matter, then, whether addresses are reused or not?	[03:22]
artifexd	jurov I disagree with your comment that there is no substantial difference between the two examples you provided. In the first case, there is no certainty whatsoever that the same entity controls the two different utxos. In the second case, it is certain that the same person controls both.	[03:23]
jurov	bitcoinpete, maybe it matters, but definitely not for muddying	[03:24]
jurov	artifexd: to create the final "spent" tx you need to know both privkeys	[03:24]
artifexd	CoinJoin?	[03:24]
jurov	unless some diffie-hellman magic can be applied to creating bitcoin txes	[03:25]
artifexd	Maybe you and I get together and combine our funds to pay a common bill.	[03:25]
mod6	BingoBoingo: thx. just saw you were lookin for that one command a few days back. :]	[03:25]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Ah, yeah.	[03:26]
jurov	i don't know how coinjohn works, and if it is compatible with reusing addies	[03:26]
mod6	at some point, i'll be adding an block average time over a 24 hour interval too.	[03:26]
mod6	i'll work on that this week probably.	[03:27]
BingoBoingo	That would be really sweet	[03:27]
jurov	but if coinjohn is a thing, reusing addy definitely leaks more information about owner	[03:27]
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artifexd	Imagine a web service where you send it some txids and the necessary private keys along with a destination address. This service, when it gets a few requests, combines all the inputs and sends them to the outputs.	[03:28]
artifexd	Note that I'm not saying this is a smart service to use, but its existence is theoretically possible.	[03:28]
jurov	that's easy to do but you must consider the keys compromised	[03:29]
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artifexd	If you don't reuse addresses, it doesn't matter.	[03:29]
bitcoinpete	to be continued, gents. thx for the… inputs	[03:30]
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BingoBoingo	%tslb	[03:31]
atcbot	-22 hours -14 minutes and 32 seconds	[03:31]
artifexd	OMG! Time warp attack!	[03:31]
BingoBoingo	^ mod6	[03:31]
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mod6	arg!	[03:34]
mod6	lol.	[03:34]
mod6	ok	[03:34]
mod6	jeeze, 1 hour, 48 minutes since last block	[03:35]
BingoBoingo	csshih: Did that thing get shipped yet?	[03:36]
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csshih	BingoBoingo, it's in outbound.. for some reason my employees didn't unlock the door so usps didn't pick up the package	[03:37]
csshih	sorry =	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	csshih: Understandable. Just whip them everyday until they ship it.	[03:37]
BingoBoingo	http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/05/05/a-pragmatic-test-for-alcoholism/	[03:38]
ozbot	A Pragmatic Test for Alcoholism \| Bingo Blog	[03:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 37 @ 0.00445451 = 0.1648 BTC [+]	[03:42]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0327 = 0.1308 BTC [-]	[03:43]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00085172 = 6.0472 BTC [-]	[03:43]
mod6	(17:43) < BitOTTer502> 1 hour 57 minutes and 19 seconds << ok think I have fix now, just testing	[03:43]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker --market all	[03:48]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 431.3, vol: 8191.75144828 \| BTC-E BTCUSD last: 422.99, vol: 2575.06688 \| Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 431.21608, vol: 5414.51559226 \| CampBX BTCUSD last: 431.0, vol: 18.18263857 \| BTCChina BTCUSD last: 424.96, vol: 968.84870000 \| Kraken BTCUSD last: 429.18, vol: 5.65738445 \| Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 428.571013875, vol: 75.76310899 \| Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)	[03:48]
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BingoBoingo	;;more	[03:49]
gribble	429.664043588	[03:49]
BingoBoingo	http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/05/05/1923218/did-the-ignition-key-just-die	[03:51]
ozbot	Did the Ignition Key Just Die? - Slashdot	[03:51]
BingoBoingo	WTF, next do we get a button for brake and gas?	[03:53]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.00668166 = 0.2004 BTC [-] {2}	[03:56]
benkay	i've always wanted to wire a ps2 controller into 'automatic' cars.	[03:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.078519 = 0.157 BTC [+] {2}	[03:58]
benkay	do away with the lie of manual operation in the damn things.	[03:58]
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BingoBoingo	Well, there aren't all to many cars that are completely "fly by wire"	[03:58]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29800 @ 0.00084827 = 25.2784 BTC [-] {2}	[03:59]
benkay	i'm enamored of this 04 civic. everything's manual.	[03:59]
BingoBoingo	The gas pedal is almost always fly by wire now, but not so with the brake and steering.	[03:59]
benkay	i mean the engine is computer controlled i assume, implying e-gas.	[03:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.07852 = 2.3556 BTC [+] {2}	[04:01]
BingoBoingo	benkay: Yeah, but the brake generally is the thing you more urgently need, and that usually still has a mechanical rather than electronic link	[04:02]
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mod6	%tslb	[04:10]
atcbot	11 minutes and 41 seconds	[04:10]
mod6	let's see how this does.	[04:11]
mod6	it was time-warp time before because GMT went to 00:00 and the last block was in 22:00, forgot to solve for the 24hour roll-over case.	[04:11]
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BingoBoingo	Ah	[04:15]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 250 @ 0.00052 = 0.13 BTC [-]	[04:16]
BingoBoingo	I wonder how many of these little things, perfectly amusing in an IRC bot, occured in the goxfail and how many lurk in bitcoind 0.9	[04:16]
mod6	do you even unit test bro?	[04:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 500 @ 0.00052 = 0.26 BTC [-]	[04:19]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085172 = 0.8517 BTC [+]	[04:19]
mod6	'tis a good question tho BingoBoingo	[04:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 1000 @ 0.00021725 = 0.2173 BTC [+]	[04:20]
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BingoBoingo	mod6: It's stuff like this that will probably push me to full time OpenBSD use come November	[04:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1000 @ 0.00085172 = 0.8517 BTC [+]	[04:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [FN] [F.MPIF] 500 @ 0.00021725 = 0.1086 BTC [+]	[04:36]
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mircea_popescu	hai	[04:40]
mod6	BingoBoingo: sounds like a good route to go. why november?	[04:41]
mod6	hai mp	[04:41]
BingoBoingo	mod6: That's when 5.6 comes out with their redone SSL libraries and stuff.	[04:42]
mod6	ahh, yeah, heard they were making SSH stand-alone from SSL/TLS	[04:42]
mod6	maybe it was you who posted the /. article lol	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	mod6: Maybe. They already have a useful version of that. I'm more refering to their having a working LibreSSL package, their fork from OpenSSL	[04:43]
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mod6	ah that. yeah, i recall.	[04:44]
mircea_popescu	!jd mpif	[04:46]
assbot	Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 163.73578786 BTC; -0.07750675 BTC (-0.0473%) since last check 10h 13m 54s ago.	[04:46]
mircea_popescu	o noes	[04:46]
BingoBoingo	!jd	[04:48]
assbot	Just-Dice stat: 16702 BTC profit, 37.2k BTC invested, 1152.10 mio bets, 5.21 mio BTC wagered	[04:48]
BingoBoingo	scam	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov: Death occurs in approximately 10% of cases. << wait srsly ?!	[04:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Usually when they find that microbe they don't find it in the throat, but in the cerebrospinal fluid	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	yeah. no clue how able it is to cross that barrier.	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	Probably eats it's way across	[04:50]
BingoBoingo	Or it waits for other injuries to the barrier	[04:50]
mircea_popescu	davout: it's just in the continuation of debt money, it's not really a competitor to bitcoin in any way << logically, as the statists keep getting beaten out of things, they'll regroup around similar-looking, similar-sounding, different things. again and again and again.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	not like they'll just give up, roll over and die.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	much like scammers, which is what they are, the proponents of large welfarist government will simply have to keep trying to come back forevar.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves: heh a major investor of Ripple is also one for Pando << you're starting to see why we want pando outcompeted :)	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: small summary: http://cryptome.org/nsa-tempest.htm << dja figure they'll be buing some cardanos ? :D	[04:54]
asciilifeform	lol!	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	it occurs to me the twitter superlative is "this left me speechless". sorta like bad kids threatening the world with going upstairs and cleanning out their room,	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	twitterers threaten the world with shutting the fuck up	[04:59]
BingoBoingo	speechless doesn't mean derpless	[04:59]
thestringpuller	damn spent 4 hours on sim city	[05:00]
thestringpuller	da fuq	[05:00]
thestringpuller	need to stop this shit	[05:00]
asciilifeform	re: 'prismicide' - mega-lol	[05:01]
asciilifeform	'for smartPnohes!'	[05:01]
asciilifeform	'based on DumbCards'	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo sadly.	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	Alexandra Cavoulacos @acav Read this: "Acknowledging privilege is hard [...] It's easier to feel the victim than it is to feel like the bad guy."http://groupthink.jezebel.com/blabla	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	Mircea Popescu @Mircea_Popescu @acav Being privileged is being the good guy. If the other guy weren't a lazy fuckwit, he'd be privileged too.	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	aneurism ?	[05:02]
asciilifeform	re: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=gjkivAf3 - if this were genuine, author would never offer it for public sale.	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	haha why not ?	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	"(Yes, we build honeypots rules for our exploits)" this seems weak. imagine the odds someone using it actually fell on a honeypot they ran.	[05:09]
asciilifeform	because of 'lemon problem' (perhaps not the right term of art, but i can't think of the right one)	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	there's what, roughly 1 bn machines on the net ?	[05:09]
asciilifeform	there is no way for a buyer to determine that product is genuine prior to payment	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	"We don't have access to exploit black markets and we are now happy to offering"	[05:09]
asciilifeform	vulns are generally sold via trusted brokers, in ceremonies that put japanese tea ritual to shame.	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	so a team advanced enough to have had a leet 0day for two years and enough honeypots to catch a 2nd team in time	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	does not have access ?	[05:10]
asciilifeform	this part is not outlandish. it is indeed possible to capture exploits this way.	[05:10]
asciilifeform	no team needed, just 1 fellow with free time.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	no but listen.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	suppose at t1 you find this exploit.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	suppose you run 1k boxes as honeypots distributed all over the web.	[05:11]
mircea_popescu	the average time for you to catch a 2nd team using your exploit would be, a decade to a century. and this only if they're clueless enough to go after random boxes.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	so practically, you'll catch the 100th team or so.	[05:12]
asciilifeform	correct.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	at which point what you're selling is worthless by default.	[05:12]
asciilifeform	notice that the advertisement does not label the product as '0day'	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	but it WOULDN'T be woirthless today, which means, the proposed situation is unfactual.	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	tries to sell it as if it were, irrelevant what wordage they use.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	let's imagine it were worded differently. the fundamental problem of proof still applies.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	at least they had the decency to sort the coins in the relative order of probability of someone falling for it.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	you can't test-drive an exploit, without possessing it.	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin last.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	it is quite impossible to sell a vuln this way. other than to suckers, of course.	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	http://valleywag.gawker.com/paypal-exec-goes-on-twitter-spree-insulting-coworkers-1571297209 << indian guy gets drunk	[05:14]
ozbot	PayPal Exec Goes on Twitter Spree Insulting Coworkers	[05:14]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah, in the end, interesting case study in nonsense. it's piled up quite exquisitely high.	[05:15]
asciilifeform	http://seclists.org/oss-sec/2014/q2/247	[05:16]
ozbot	oss-sec: Re: Possible ssh vulnerability	[05:16]
asciilifeform	http://pastebin.com/qPxR9BRv	[05:16]
ozbot	OpenSSL 1.0.1g - Private Exploit - Pastebin.com	[05:16]
asciilifeform	^ similar crap-artistry	[05:16]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: well, didn't you hear? mp is extradited to antartica to face AEC security fraud charges. << no dude, i just had an argument with a bottle of wine and some lazagna.	[05:17]
asciilifeform	anyone who is concerned about a hypothetical openssh apocalypse should consider 'port knocking.'	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: I guess that's the value of drama << asciilifeform check this out. the derpy openssh vulnerability ppl wanted 20 btc. the neobeeq drama was 80 btc.	[05:19]
mircea_popescu	4 ssh vulnerabilities!	[05:19]
asciilifeform	20 btc. cost of a well-worn toyota.	[05:19]
asciilifeform	did the crapartist have no awareness of what serious 0days typically go for?	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: (i'm secretly hoping i'm not the worst in the channel at languages) << he's just speaking a secret italian nobody else knows about.	[05:20]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well this one was used.	[05:20]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: americans tend to have 'sore spot' about languages.	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	mike_c: i don't even see how you can ponzi at 50% a month. that is insane. << actually romanian ponzi thing did 800% in 3 months. it paid out for a year and a half.	[05:22]
asciilifeform	mmm!	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	dude the fucking crown. this reminds me of the golden age of Bs, where all the shitty studios had names like MONARCH	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	and EMPIRE w/e	[05:23]
asciilifeform	(phunphact. first tv ad i ever saw was for the mmm parent company)	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	wait it had a parent ?	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	"The Forex Exchange market has become an up and coming method of financial trading. As an innovator and initiator in the online foreign exchange business, Rockwell Partners S.A. is a mover and a shaker and on the forefront of the online trading market."	[05:24]
asciilifeform	it started as an importer of electronics, if i recall	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	"have become an up and coming" da fuck is that word salad.	[05:24]
asciilifeform	then sold foreign stocks, then moved into ponzimatics.	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ah this seems vaguely familiar.	[05:24]
asciilifeform	obligatory:	[05:25]
asciilifeform	https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/Ponzi.HTM	[05:25]
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asciilifeform	(from the infamous prof. dutch)	[05:25]
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asciilifeform	''Let's see, I'm wealthy and respected. What's missing? 'I know!' he shouts, slapping his forehead so hard he loses consciousness, 'I'll launch A Ponzi scheme. That way every day will tingle with the excitement of wondering whether my world will collapse in ruins and I'll be dragged off to prison while simultaneously being reviled by the whole world.''	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform your wish has been granted :	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/rockwell-5th-s-bitcoin-miner.244982/	[05:26]
ozbot	Rockwell 5TH/s Bitcoin Miner \| Bitcointa.lk	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	they also did electronics.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	"Here at Rockwell Automation's world headquarters, research has been proceeding to develop a line of automation products that establishes new standards for quality, technological leadership, and operating excellence. With customer success as our primary focus, work has been proceeding on the crudely conceived idea of an instrument that would not only provide inverse reactive current for use in unilateral phase detracto	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	rs, but would also be capable of automatically synchronizing cardinal grammeters."	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	volcanic erruptor, in january, nobody heard from it since.	[05:26]
asciilifeform	lol	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	except in march it's like a big wave.	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	%t	[05:28]
atcbot	[X-BT] Bid: 195 Ask: 224 Last Price: 224 24h-Vol: 26k High: 225 Low: 224 VWAP: 224	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	bounce: can someone please put the usg out of our misery? << oooonly yoooouuuu	[05:28]
asciilifeform	taking pre-orders for improbably nice electronics is a good preliminary filter for a chumpatron.	[05:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 41 @ 0.00430531 = 0.1765 BTC [-] {5}	[05:29]
asciilifeform	much like a high vacuum system, familiar to physics students, tends to start with a mechanical pump, then turns on ion-diffusion or other high vacuum source.	[05:29]
asciilifeform	this is elementary chumpatronic engineering.	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	mike_c "and a company that will probably be worth billions this time next year." well look, i like myself just as much as the next guy, but srsly, billions ? seems improbable.	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	not that i didn;'t say roughly the same about 100s of millions a year ago, but still.	[05:32]
mike_c	then it'll have to tank pretty hard given the btc appreciation that's going to happen	[05:33]
mike_c	and it hasn't seemed to do so in previous bumps.	[05:33]
mike_c	it'll be an interesting year	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	i don't think your typical mpex holder has any interest in the bitcoin price of tyhe various fiats.	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	i guess sure, if btc ends up 1 mn dollarts then mpex will be worth w/e, many trillions	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	but this seems hardly a discussion of value and worth.	[05:34]
asciilifeform	when that time comes, one ought to expect a lack of interest in how many $b something is worth	[05:34]
mike_c	well, 3k BTC + 0.0005 mpex = billions	[05:34]
asciilifeform	much as no one is excited to see themselves as a zimbabwe dollar billionaire	[05:35]
asciilifeform	despite the fact that a great many people technically are.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform kinda my point. i don't really think btc went up in price 10x, or mpex foe that matter.	[05:35]
mike_c	or, 0.007 i guess	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	just, the dollar lost 90% of its value over 2 months	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	not nearly as remarkable a feat.	[05:35]
asciilifeform	much of the american financial apparatus is designed to paper over this fact	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	so in a sense, mpex price has been more or less matching btc inflation.	[05:36]
asciilifeform	but this is a secret from no one.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	which is... unremarkable i guess. like any huge old commodity business, a power company or w/e	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	mike_c anyway, perhaps an even better link : http://trilema.com/2012/is-smpoe-really-worth-that-much/	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	back then we were wtfing at "which would put S.MPOE somewhere around 8 million dollars, which would be excessive."	[05:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07852 = 0.5496 BTC [+]	[05:40]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21150 @ 0.00085368 = 18.0553 BTC [+] {2}	[05:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4645 @ 0.00014351 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {2}	[05:50]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28800 @ 0.00085392 = 24.5929 BTC [+]	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	and since we're doing 2012, check out fucking 8ball action over here :	[05:56]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2012/why-smpoe-is-worth-more-than-mtgox/	[05:56]
ozbot	Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[05:56]
mike_c	yeah, i've read those. i just find a tough stock as a potential investor.	[05:59]
mike_c	but lots of people have done very well in it :)	[05:59]
mircea_popescu	hey you know	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	don't buy what you don't like, don't buy what you don't understand, don't buy what etc	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	"others have done well" is always a poor argument.	[06:00]
mike_c	that's what warren says	[06:00]
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mircea_popescu	in the words of this romanian rap band, "Am vazut cu ochii mei tovarasi cum se duc de rapa... bagat in vena, ma bucur ca am fost pe scena. Rand pe rand scandaluri, multi din ei s-au dus..."	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	remarkably applicable.	[06:02]
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mircea_popescu	danielpbarron: I haven't seen you chat in here yet << no, he's been here before.	[06:15]
mircea_popescu	" In the last few months, Mt.Gox collapsed, bitcoin has lost half of its value. "	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	why is wired so fucking sutpid ?	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	o fluffypony already covered it. kay. i subscribe.	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: cloudflare makes little sense to me << or to anyone whose brain works enough to power a goat.	[06:20]
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mircea_popescu	mod6 %bal is cool.	[06:25]
mod6	:)	[06:26]
BingoBoingo	%bal	[06:26]
mod6	needs addr	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	%bal 1Cunts	[06:26]
atcbot	[ATC Balance] Address: 1Cunts Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0 Confirmations: 2	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	2 confirms eh ?	[06:26]
mod6	huh that's weird.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: and its unlikely for ssh to have /etc/shadow in memory << maybe in some weird case it could have it in child memory, which is the claim.	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo:	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	The worst part is the prescribe the exact same thing I would have prescribed myself if I could just go to the pharmacy with a shopping list like an actual human being at a store << this is how i shop for medicine.	[06:28]
BingoBoingo	I remember the good old days of the student health clinic where the meeting with the doctor was merely a formality.	[06:29]
mod6	oh huh, i'm adding on this "?confirmations=2" part to the end of the req.	[06:29]
BingoBoingo	Mainstream us healthcare is the suck	[06:29]
mod6	thought it would filter out what doesn't have 2 conf's to that addr.	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	"Guest95361: I can say with 100% certainty that they have them" lmao do these fuckwits even comprehend how this bitcoin thing works ?	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 lulzy, all the ifs i nthat thread.	[06:33]
mod6	ok, i ripped that part out. will be less confusing without that in there.	[06:33]
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mod6	%bal 1Cunts	[06:35]
atcbot	[ATC Balance] Address: 1Cunts Balance: 0 Total Received: 0 Number TXs: 0	[06:35]
mod6	shrug ok	[06:35]
mod6	%diff	[06:38]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 139713.06 in 1574 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.32	[06:38]
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mod6	hey! something that worked right!	[06:45]
mod6	lol	[06:45]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07700508 = 1.5401 BTC [-] {3}	[06:46]
decimation	http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/a-reporter-a-reddit-founder-a-lawyer-and-an-ex-nsa-chief-walk-into-a-debate/ more lulz	[06:47]
ozbot	A reporter, a reddit founder, a lawyer, and an ex-NSA chief walk into a debate \| Ars Technica	[06:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.07705863 = 1.0788 BTC [+] {5}	[06:55]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.0322001 = 0.1932 BTC [-] {2}	[06:57]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/why-exactly-reusing-bitcoin-addresses-strengthens-bitcoin-user-anonimity/	[07:00]
ozbot	Why exactly reusing Bitcoin addresses strengthens Bitcoin user anonimity pe Trilema - Un blog de Mir	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	jurov ^ there, speshal for you.	[07:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2250 @ 0.00014287 = 0.3215 BTC [-] {2}	[07:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27500 @ 0.0008472 = 23.298 BTC [-] {3}	[07:10]
decimation	mircea_popescu: i'm not even reactionary, myself, i've not gotten so far. some visiting french politics professor called me "white" << Sometimes I wonder what the world would be like today if Marx had perished while affixed to the wall of some landgrave's dungeon.	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	well, for one thing we wouldn't need +m here	[07:16]
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mircea_popescu	as we'd be the only ones able to read and write anyway	[07:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 720 @ 0.000141 = 0.1015 BTC [-]	[07:18]
decimation	My first thought is to rue those insights that would have been lost because some peasant wasn't in the right WoT. Then I remember the concern most nobles demonstrated by searching for talent within their own fields.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	and that's all for me. catch you tomorrow.	[07:19]
decimation	yeah, me too	[07:20]
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mircea_popescu	good morning ass...ets.	[13:27]
fluffypony	lol	[13:28]
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mircea_popescu	artifexd: It's like an order randomized mixer. << something like that.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	it's not technically that, because in point of fact you can implement with single use addresses the same system. however, you could also not have, and likely the presumption will be that you have not. so it's more like proof that you have than anything	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	artifexd: I can also just assert that the address isn't mine. Period. << absolutely. on the other hand, reusing addresses actually makes the stupidirty of "calculating taint" much more expensive.	[13:32]
mircea_popescu	not only in tech terms, but also in intellectual terms. ie, the nonsense one has to believe in other to believe in taint.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	this happens to be how one defends himself from stupidity : by making the intellectual cost of stupidity skyrocket.	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	like, derps believe "there is a god above" ? well, let's put some satellites in orbit, see what they do then ? ah, they still believe it, except it's now above-er ? win.	[13:34]
mircea_popescu	artifexd: It makes more sense when I notice that mp has never (that I've seen) recommended that users reuse addresses. His statements have always (that I have seen) talked about services reusing addresses. << yes, this is an important, and also correct, observation.	[13:35]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 41 @ 0.07684537 = 3.1507 BTC [-] {5}	[13:36]
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mircea_popescu	;;seen r3wt	[13:37]
gribble	r3wt was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 6 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 25 minutes, and 14 seconds ago: ;;bcauth r3wt	[13:37]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: garbage article, opionions and arguments how fun << they've been having an eve corp whose shares are traded in bitcoin/equiv MPOE shares for... a year now ? more ?	[13:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07626913 = 1.6017 BTC [-] {3}	[13:38]
mircea_popescu	a nm, it got linked.	[13:38]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony: so I stopped for 6 months to demonstrate I wasn't << alternatively you could have belted her butt to demonstrate it's not her place to say. better for humanity, because she probably went on to write opinionful articles about things.	[13:39]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yeah...part of it was also to prove to myself I wasn't an alcoholic:)	[13:39]
mircea_popescu	see, i can appreciate that sentiment, but it has a hole in it	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	because inasmuch as it's in your hands, abstaining for an arbitrary period from x does not prove you don't have an addiction.	[13:40]
mircea_popescu	the only logically sound way this proof works is if you're a slave and your master orders you to stop, without a specific timeframe. then yes.	[13:41]
fluffypony	but does slavery == addiction ?	[13:41]
mircea_popescu	no, slavery = outside of your control.	[13:42]
fluffypony	oic oic	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	there's nothing to negotiate, see ? whereas as long as you are your own master for all you know your adiction is making a deal	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	for its immunity.	[13:42]
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mircea_popescu	now, this certainly isn't to say that taking a break is not a good idea.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	all it says is that it's indicium not proof.	[13:43]
mircea_popescu	fluffypony: and he was like "but it's too much effort for a girl." << check it out thickasthieves, it's http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-03-2014#591323 all over again :D	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell thickasthieves ^	[13:45]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	mwahahaha	[13:45]
fluffypony	well that's the lesson that I learnt	[13:45]
fluffypony	it shouldn't be difficult	[13:45]
mircea_popescu	sanity shouldn't be difficult. in practice, nothing else is quite as difficult.	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	for from the crooked timber of humanity...	[13:46]
fluffypony	no straight thing was ever made	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	bounce: two or three drinks a night does qualify for alcoholism in some books << it very much depends on ethnicity and culture. your average samoan doing three vodka shots each day will be fucking dead from it.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	jurov on the other hand, gets meningitis of the uvula from not drinking enough.	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	bounce: eh, finance's not supposed to /drink/ anyway. << oddly, all good doctors i ever knew smoked like turks, and all good finance people were drunks. check out romania's cb president pro vita, his face has the distinct red marks of enjoying wine.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	bounce: dropping php/mysql isn't a bad idea. but the replacement... some people are magnets for failure << i suspect mysql (just by itself) may actually be a better choice than mongodb.	[13:53]
fluffypony	agreed	[13:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00085636 = 15.0719 BTC [+]	[13:54]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: bounce: I've actually always suspected the religious case for prohibition was largely influenced by the cost of drinking taking money that could have been tithed << actually, it was leftover from english historical issues. "nitially gin was a welcome industry in England because it allowed a new class of consumption for grain, thus promising to elevate the prices of grain and so the profits of the landed ge	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	ntry. Within a generation or two the prevailing winds changed, and most all of “Victorian morals” can adequately be reduced to and explained in terms of, the lords pushing their sponsored priests to go to war on their behalf, under the banners of “other people should drink gin so as to make the lord money, but the people of this parish should not drink gin so as to be able to work long and hard, thus making the l	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	ord money”. That schizoid insanity is still torturing our fledging northern colonies to this day. "	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	via teh divine cunt's footnotes. http://trilema.com/2013/the-divine-cunt/#footnote_0_50163	[13:56]
mircea_popescu	Naphex: http://bitcoincharts.com/markets/btcxchangeRON.html woot! :D << wd.	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	30day vol 487.65107709 BTC, not so bad at all.	[13:59]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony: "Porn has never looked so good!" - Naphex with his new PC << "who said you can't mine btc on your pc in 2014 ?!"	[14:00]
fluffypony	lol	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	damned shit. this read logs later and comment deal doesnt work because instead of being beaten by like .5 seconds	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	im beaten by like six hours	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	steven-__: and they are just pushing him out now that his team is good << intel told me the same thing. "stfu with sterling, you're embarassing yourself. he's been an idiot worse than steinbrenner, nobody cared because the team used to suck."	[14:02]
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mircea_popescu	fluffypony: pankkake when are we starting a business? we can call it "the Dropbox of water" << call it the dropbox of beer. you can go arounbd other people's tables and offer to store it for them.	[14:06]
fluffypony	lol	[14:07]
fluffypony	in my belly	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	and speaking of nonsensical us stuiff that's really just inherited from europe, does this melody sound familiar to anyone ?	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/embed/zikcHnimsxk	[14:07]
ozbot	Die Wacht am Rhein - YouTube	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	uh wrong one	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=784KEIiga40	[14:07]
ozbot	Heil Dir Im Siegerkranz ( Deutsche Kaiserhymne ) - YouTube	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	there.	[14:07]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu: ykr, not bad at all :D	[14:19]
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mircea_popescu	off to town, back later	[14:38]
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ozbot	8.001 billion \| Next Diff in 1022 blocks \| Estimated Change: 5.1830% in 6d 17h 29m 22s	[15:03]
HeySteve	if you follow altcoins, this site rates them by market, repository and social media activity, may be useful data: http://www.coingecko.com/	[15:05]
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danielpbarron	I haven't had more than a few sips of whiskey over the course of the last few months, not because I wanted to stop drinking, but because it just didn't occur to me that I had stopped	[15:22]
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HeySteve	Wi' tipenny, we fear nae evil; Wi' usquebae, we'll face the devil!	[15:33]
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TomServo	http://cryptome.org/2014/05/bitcoin-suicide.pdf	[15:36]
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fluffypony	http://pdfnomo.re/bitcoin-suicide/	[15:55]
fluffypony	for those that don't want PDF fuckery	[15:55]
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TomServo	HeySteve: fix your junk	[16:16]
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asciilifeform	re: http://cryptome.org/2014/05/bitcoin-suicide.pdf - spectacularly terrible paper	[16:19]
asciilifeform	recommended to everyone, for 'entomological' study.	[16:20]
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TomServo	^ agreed.	[16:21]
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davout	kakobrekla: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=597647.0;topicseen <<< the forums realises why two cans and a string	[16:58]
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kakobrekla	stop with the slander	[16:58]
kakobrekla	retards talking about retards who did this retard thing but retards now have a retarded fix	[16:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7966 @ 0.00085537 = 6.8139 BTC [+]	[16:59]
pankkake	so basically Bitstamp creators watched Office Space?	[17:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11134 @ 0.00085299 = 9.4972 BTC [-]	[17:00]
kakobrekla	i had a picture where they charged me 0.01 to give me 0.	[17:00]
davout	kakobrekla: infinite fees	[17:01]
kakobrekla	actually, they charged me 0.01 to take 1 satoshi from me	[17:01]
kakobrekla	that was the case.	[17:01]
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davout	noyce	[17:01]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointa.lk/threads/bitstamp-scam-accusation-fixed-with-friendly-resolution.134066/page-2#post-2257684	[17:02]
ozbot	Bitstamp Scam Accusation (FIXED WITH FRIENDLY RESOLUTION) \| Page 2 \| Bitcointa.lk	[17:02]
kakobrekla	>kakobrekla, Jun 5, 2013	[17:03]
kakobrekla	they are a year behind?	[17:03]
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davout	that's a progress	[17:05]
kakobrekla	davout but you know its only cents!!	[17:06]
kakobrekla	:	[17:06]
davout	"Nothing wrong with rounding but charging a fee on every chunk is a plain old SCAM." <<< that guy has it exactly backwards	[17:08]
kakobrekla	the forum is backwards	[17:09]
kakobrekla	rotate your screen 180	[17:09]
kakobrekla	so the lcd panel is turned towards the wall	[17:09]
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Duffer1	!bash 3	[17:09]
assbot	Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/03PNZ2E.txt)	[17:09]
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davout	LOL	[17:10]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9500 @ 0.00085636 = 8.1354 BTC [+]	[17:24]
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fluffypony	http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-google.html	[17:27]
ozbot	Exclusive: Emails reveal close Google relationship with NSA \| Al Jazeera America	[17:27]
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mircea_popescu	"We claim that these built-in properties are not as brilliant as they are sometimes claimed."	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	how is this a fucking claim.	[17:30]
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mircea_popescu	did they stop sending kids to school altogether in the english space ?	[17:31]
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asciilifeform	'people will rent cloud for five minutes and double-spend.'	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	lol.	[17:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0752 = 0.5264 BTC [+]	[17:33]
asciilifeform	as if infinite cpu just sat there, on the shelf, its price entirely unaffected by this hypothetical.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	the funny thing about that paper is, of course, that altcoin is being used currently exactly as experimental proof that his theory is nonsense.	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	%diff	[17:33]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 455357.13 Est. Next Diff: 140491.07 in 1544 blocks (#32256) Est. % Change: -69.15	[17:33]
mircea_popescu	there, 70% drop, go doublespend or w/e, show me how altcoin dies because whoa, sudden mandated diff changes.	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 200 @ 0.0008621 = 0.1724 BTC [-]	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.45500002 = 1.82 BTC [+]	[17:34]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07528666 = 0.4517 BTC [+] {2}	[17:35]
pankkake	altcoins received plenty of successful double spending attacks	[17:36]
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mircea_popescu	pankkake his "claim" is his claim.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	there is the little detail that a (detectable) double-spend more or less buries a coin	[17:36]
pankkake	cpu coins are especially vulnerable to cloud mining	[17:36]
pankkake	no, altcoiners are morons, don't forget	[17:37]
pankkake	but really you don't need a huge pdf to understand that	[17:37]
asciilifeform	let's picture a source of hashing cycles, publicly auctioned. how would it not be subject to the same bidding dynamics as presently existing miners?	[17:38]
chetty	http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/putin-passes-law-requiring-38bln-security-payments-from-visa-mastercard/499532.html	[17:38]
asciilifeform	i.e. how would the cost of a double-spend possibly go down ?	[17:38]
mircea_popescu	http://pastebin.com/n8T3RXWF	[17:39]
ozbot	Subject: This is your daily reminder that you are stupid and should speak less - Pastebin.com	[17:39]
asciilifeform	lol!	[17:39]
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asciilifeform	did he actually ask to be let in?	[17:39]
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mircea_popescu	i don't think so.	[17:42]
mircea_popescu	because why would he need to, right, because in the virtual reality he inhabits he is qualified.	[17:42]
pankkake	so I guess it's like writing "no girls allowed" in your treehouse	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	like you know, whatever fucking shaman in the depths of africa rubbing sticks together "knows" and consequently doesn't need to obtain a license to opine on matters of medicine	[17:43]
asciilifeform	as far as i can see, author is a (self-proclaimed) academic	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	pankkake no. it's like writing "fraudulent pracitce of medicine will be prosecuted" on the hopsital	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	somewhere in the god forsaken thirld world where this isn't somehow self-obvious.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	all of this inescapably reminds me of james randi's flower pot.	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	like you know, kansas, kenya, take your pick.	[17:43]
asciilifeform	'i have psychic powers!' - 'tell me what is under the upturned pot.' 'fuck you i'm dragon.'	[17:44]
asciilifeform	if someone were to find an actual exploit, of whatever kind, in whatever coin, the 'proof of the pudding' would be - 'in the eating.'	[17:45]
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artifexd	http://pastebin.com/n8T3RXWF <- Did you write that?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	just sent it yes.	[17:46]
ThickAsThieves	http://devilsadvocate.biz/be-one-of-us/ (also note i added bitbet ad to footer, thanks mike_c!)	[17:46]
ozbot	Be One of Us	[17:46]
mike_c	ah cool :) improved version is imminent.	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	why ty	[17:47]
asciilifeform	in other news: 'the U.S. should consider getting its astronauts to the International Space Station using a trampoline.'	[17:47]
mircea_popescu	kinda old news that	[17:48]
asciilifeform	yeah i haven't kept up. no idea if there's a lockheed contract for trampoline yet.	[17:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform what flower pot is that btwe ?	[17:48]
ThickAsThieves	i forget, what the heck does Got Milk? mean on Bitbet anyway?	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	well considering what the inexistend fighter jet has cost alreayd, i can only imagine what a shuttle would cost the usg	[17:49]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 29 @ 0.03300256 = 0.9571 BTC [-] {7}	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	you know, "most military expenditure in the world", then russia pisses in your ear whenever it feels like.	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves two years ago, usagi was doing this complex layered cake of very badly structured "corporations" that kept trading with each other then failing to execute the contracts etc. deprived kept calling him on it. for months, 100s of pages.	[17:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.03300449 = 0.4951 BTC [+] {2}	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	eventually usagi had a nervous break down, wroiter this post about how he can't get any sleep because he keeps having to defend "his good name" and he is selling his guitar and w/e to pay off debts	[17:50]
asciilifeform	some years ago, stage magician james randi challenged psychics, soothsayers, esp artists, etc. to tell him what lies under an overturned pot in his basement.	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	and "we" need to stop because this can't be everything is a scam milk is a scam kjfdshgkshdkgjsfd	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	so we just took the "milk is a scam" thing.	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	hrm	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	maybe time to grow out of it?	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	grow out of it ?	[17:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.03299998 = 0.264 BTC [-]	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	i'll rephrase	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	it' sstupid	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	yes, that's what brands are : stupid to the clueless. like say the word "brand"	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	say it 500 times fast, check out how stupid it seems.	[17:52]
danielpbarron	does it make sense to have an escrow service provider sign a contract? or is this not necessary since he's the trusted 3rd party anyway (i think he should sign a contract, but he insists otherwise)	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	danielpbarron who's the guy and why's he refusing to sign a contract ?	[17:52]
danielpbarron	well, not refusing, but strongly disagreeing	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	but you just clued me	[17:52]
danielpbarron	Michail1	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	the rules are that contracts are mandatory if either party desires, but may be waived as unnecessary if both parties wish to	[17:52]
ThickAsThieves	and effect hasnt changed	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves what's so stupid about it ? it's sort-of like Ford having "Got Black?" on its corporate website.	[17:53]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: what the inexistend fighter jet has cost << what would it have cost ussr to build a flat screen tv ?	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	because, of course, "customers can have a car any color they want"	[17:53]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afore or after the chinese took over the us ?	[17:53]
asciilifeform	recall an incident i described some months ago, of getting ordinary circuit boards baked at a u.s. plant.	[17:53]
asciilifeform	they cost considerably more than their weight in platinum.	[17:54]
mike_c	ThickAsThieves: eventually there will be a yahoo answers entry about "why does bitbet say 'got milk'" and it will be ok :)	[17:54]
asciilifeform	this kind of thing permeates everything.	[17:54]
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ThickAsThieves	at first glance, it's confusing and distracting. then upon learning, it's just an inside joke mocking some nobody	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	"It’s an ugly thing, watching all these kids shoot from the hip." << ThickAsThieves haha actually i kinda enjoy it for the comedy value	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	mike_c lol	[17:54]
ThickAsThieves	but mp i'm sensitive!	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yeah, i see it more that way. it's a little nook, something to discover, some way to be "in".	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	nobody cares about usagi, but some people - such as for instance I - care about the fact that we were doing insider jokes in 2011.	[17:55]
asciilifeform	or - for that matter - the recent discussion about what it costs to house a google worker, and why	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	myeah.	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	i guess it at least goes to your word promising to blacklist people	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	i look forward to the realization of blacklisting methods for Wired and such	[17:56]
mircea_popescu	like next time WiredHerp comes here to ask questions and all he gets is a link to them being banned ? and an invitation to get his editor to fire the offending party and publish a retraction cum apology ?	[17:57]
mircea_popescu	doesn't seem hard to do.	[17:57]
ThickAsThieves	i just can't resist thinking "wtf does it say 'got milk' on this header, but doesnt even say 'bitcoin'?!"	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	why would it say "bitcoin" ?	[17:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1726 @ 0.00013776 = 0.2378 BTC [-] {6}	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	not like i own the trademark.	[17:58]
ThickAsThieves	i mena i guess it's all in the name	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	for teh SEOz	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	but there're usually bets with Bitcoin in them	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	i got affiliates, supposedly. let them do the seoz.	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	i guess i should add alt text to the ad on my site	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	as is customary with the free market, the more you work the more you get :D	[18:00]
artifexd	Add another layer of abstraction to the inside joke by changing "Got Milk?" to "Milk Life"	[18:00]
artifexd	Or, you know, don't.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	eh, changing designs. what is this, the web ?	[18:01]
*	asciilifeform thinks back to the discussion of which animals to milk, held at mp's meetup.	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	lol you'll have to refresh me	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.07011902 = 2.8048 BTC [-] {6}	[18:02]
asciilifeform	where vegetarian (TaT?) - 'animals didn't ask to be milked' - me: 'then let's milk the ones which we can ask'	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	it probly involved - is breadt milk vegan?	[18:03]
asciilifeform	aha yes	[18:03]
ThickAsThieves	breast*	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	"You see, other than by chance, it is impossible to properly communicate and convince an audience of your position when you are deluded from where you stand in the first place." <<< you just summarized us dating.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	oh lol	[18:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 60 @ 0.069605 = 4.1763 BTC [-] {5}	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	obviously, lactating animals are all desperate to be milked.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	mastitis = death otherwise.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	try not milking a cow for a day see what it does.	[18:04]
ThickAsThieves	well try not milking a cow for 9mos too plz	[18:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0694 = 1.5268 BTC [-]	[18:04]
asciilifeform	cow's a bit of a pathological case. but sure.	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform afaik labrats with dead litters get it too, and die.	[18:05]
mircea_popescu	the common house cat idem	[18:05]
bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/NATOSource/status/463373724960301056/photo/1 <	[18:06]
ozbot	Twitter / NATOSource: Photo: Six CF-18 Hornets flying ...	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the editing dept sez : "deluded AS TO where you stand"	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	thx	[18:07]
ThickAsThieves	i meant it as deluded (away) from	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	not - from where you stand	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	but this clears that up	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	apparently that structure always takes "as to".	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	concerned as to her well being, convinced as to the dangers etc	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	"It’s a bit like a man grunting at a woman he’s attracted to. There’s no context, no clarity, no purpose, no potency, no efficacy. No finesse. No nuance. Marketing is an art, not some fucking blunt object for which to clobber your every desire. "	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	dude i like this guy's writing.	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	well ty, i'm still trying to not sound like a 10th grader	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty much it. reddit is an apeman looking for a club to clobber things	[18:10]
bitcoinpete	the greed point is spot on too	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	anyway, sponsorships may work. it's just... they require some elements, such as lordship, that are absent for reddit's case.	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	the canonical case of sponsorship is art, of course.	[18:11]
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ThickAsThieves	well any of the methods may work by chance or to some degree	[18:11]
ThickAsThieves	but they are so backwards about it	[18:11]
mircea_popescu	myeaj	[18:11]
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ThickAsThieves	they see dogecoin on tv and get jealous	[18:11]
bitcoinpete	ThickAsThieves: then they'll move to doge	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	well, the welfare mass is trying to implement what it thinks high falootin' politix is, which ends up trying to re-implement the nonsense of their socialist masters,	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	which are always exactly backwards.	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	are you the worst fucking nightmare of the proletariat ? claim you're the saviour of proletariat.	[18:12]
ThickAsThieves	indeed, that's something that drives me crazy	[18:12]
mircea_popescu	alinsky-goebbels 101	[18:13]
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ThickAsThieves	seeing rednecks fight for things opposed to their own position	[18:13]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, not only they shouldn't , but they couldn't hire a professional that knows better.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	god help the professional hired by a crowd.	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	might as well answer "witches wanted" ads in 1700s salem	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	only lords may hire professionals, as far as the professionals know their own best interest.	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	maybe, but the attempt would likely manifest into organization	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thing as "manifesting into organisation" tho	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	there's always some guy in charge of collecting the crowd's money	[18:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00085271 = 8.186 BTC [-] {2}	[18:15]
ThickAsThieves	that guy gets a rep	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	maybe learns a thing or two	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	gets ripped off by a fre "professionals"	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	if he sticks around then maybe it works out	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	few*	[18:16]
ThickAsThieves	every one is gonna scalp their share though	[18:17]
mircea_popescu	mebbe	[18:18]
ThickAsThieves	i agree that it's a silly endeavor though	[18:18]
ThickAsThieves	it's also interesting to point out that the only organization purported to promote bitcoin, does no outreach other than public speaking	[18:20]
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ThickAsThieves	you cant even fucking learn about Bitcoin on their website	[18:20]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i disagree with the theory the motivator is greed.	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	you agreed 5mini ago!	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	it seems clear it's either mimetism or brownian motion,	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	which are the same thing, depending on whether you think othyer people are agents or objects.	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it's all of that	[18:21]
chetty	greed can apply to things other than money - fame/power etc	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	i mean greed is certainly there	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	it's like how people wanted the next asicminer	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	what they wanted was to be there for the bubble	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	maybe it's not greed i dunno	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	but it's tightly wound to it	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[18:22]
mircea_popescu	but more in the sense of the will to live, and the quest for survival.	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	they're greedy like bacteriums.	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	i dunno man, you really think their will to surive is that strong?	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	or that active?	[18:23]
bitcoinpete	redditers: will to live, asseters: will to power	[18:24]
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jurov	bitbet affiliation sucks, i have tried a bit	[18:24]
ThickAsThieves	i dont like calling them redditers cuz it feels like an insult to editors	[18:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 10 @ 0.03350559 = 0.3351 BTC [+]	[18:25]
jurov	seems it applies on only the bet that is linked with ?ref= parameter	[18:25]
jurov	as soon as they start to click around, it gets forgotten	[18:25]
bitcoinpete	redditards, reddites, reddheads...	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	so ref to home page is pointless?	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	:(	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	i wanna OWN my affiliations	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	for lyf yo	[18:26]
bitcoinpete	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNJeZCZQ96M <	[18:26]
ozbot	Putin On The Ritz - Andrew Wyeth Neal - YouTube	[18:26]
jurov	not 100% sure but it seemed that way to me	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	kakobrekla, care to share the inner workings of affiliate program?	[18:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03309463 = 0.3971 BTC [-] {2}	[18:27]
ThickAsThieves	i see Enky is boycotting Bitstamp	[18:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 2000 @ 0.00010001 = 0.2 BTC [-] {2}	[18:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves> or that active? << yes.	[18:31]
mircea_popescu	it makes women push watermelons through their square inch of a vaginal canal. never underestimate the will to live.	[18:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0318 = 0.1272 BTC [+]	[18:32]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3446 @ 0.00085268 = 2.9383 BTC [-]	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	as soon as they start to click around, it gets forgotten << no wai ?!	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	it's site-wide im pretty sure, and root works too	[18:33]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla ?	[18:33]
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jurov	well, i always got some satoshi in few hours following the link was published	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you can't own it for lyf lol, you own it for a month	[18:34]
jurov	and nothing ever since.	[18:34]
jurov	*days	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	jurov so maybe referral didn't stick ?	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	i accept this compromise, thank you for negotiating	[18:34]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[18:34]
jurov	i don't know why it did not stick	[18:34]
mircea_popescu	jurov cause the person made a bet and then forgot about it ?	[18:35]
pankkake	jurov: no it works, the cookie expires at session though. that way I got myself fees by mistake	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	i meant specifically, the referral, as in, the guy you referred.	[18:35]
ThickAsThieves	it's anecdotal, why not just test it	[18:35]
jurov	it expires when window is closed?	[18:35]
mircea_popescu	no it doesn't.	[18:35]
pankkake	when browser is closed	[18:36]
ThickAsThieves	cookies are so misunderstood	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03301945 = 0.3962 BTC [-] {3}	[18:36]
mircea_popescu	pankkake even if you purge cookies when you close browser, it should track you by ip afaik	[18:36]
pankkake	they're delicious delicacies	[18:36]
pankkake	the referal? I doubt it. or I would have gave myself fees forever	[18:36]
*	ThickAsThieves sharpens picthfork, just in case.	[18:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.03300675 = 0.3961 BTC [-] {2}	[18:37]
jurov	^ pankkake this. i have did it myself, i got back fees from the bet i linked directly but that was all	[18:37]
mircea_popescu	well kakobrekla can weigh in when he wakes up	[18:38]
pankkake	or you can watch the cookie	[18:38]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22488 @ 0.00085171 = 19.1533 BTC [-]	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	gawd, Pando is really starting to annoy me	[18:39]
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jurov	heh now i wonder why i just said myself "prolly it should be so" and not investigated further	[18:39]
ThickAsThieves	all this "Since our article, the world is a better place. You're welcome." shit	[18:40]
Naphex	wut is pando?;o	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	why is that jesse draper trying so hard to be "hot" ? she's just some girl.	[18:40]
mircea_popescu	Naphex cali based would-be news source.	[18:40]
ThickAsThieves	http://pando.com/2014/05/05/after-pando-brings-the-facts-to-light-steven-tylers-daughter-ends-quest-to-shut-down-bay-area-band/	[18:40]
ozbot	After Pando’s reporting, Steven Tyler’s daughter ends quest to shut down Bay Area band \| PandoD	[18:40]
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ThickAsThieves	After Pando shows clear evidence of fraud, Indiegogo responds by… deleting anti-fraud guarantee	[18:41]
pankkake	a "gogo" in French is a fool	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[18:42]
mircea_popescu	pankkake ever seen bebes a gogo ?	[18:42]
ThickAsThieves	"What I love about Pando is how quickly it's exposing itself to be ego-stroking spin machine for its investors and their interests." ~ me	[18:42]
mike_c	this is odd. the ref cookie seems to last for an hour..	[18:43]
mike_c	http://i.imgur.com/kUY9nJk.png	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	also, why not call liv tyler liv tyler ? not like she's not in the idbm etc	[18:43]
ThickAsThieves	it's not liv	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	ah	[18:43]
mike_c	feel free to steal my bitbet session now too :)	[18:43]
pankkake	no. oh, another louis de funès, lol	[18:43]
mircea_popescu	;)	[18:43]
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mircea_popescu	gawd, Pando is really starting to annoy me << they were cool at some point.	[18:44]
mircea_popescu	then pmarca happened.	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	how is it i find mp's claims to fame palatable, but not theirs?	[18:44]
ThickAsThieves	substance i guess	[18:45]
chetty	reality bites	[18:45]
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mircea_popescu	wait i make claims to fame ?	[18:49]
jurov	!up Azelphur	[18:49]
assbot	Voicing Azelphur for 30 minutes.	[18:49]
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ThickAsThieves	well you arent scared to attribute outcomes to your own actions	[18:50]
mircea_popescu	o that.	[18:50]
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mircea_popescu	maybe it's that "pando" is not a person ?	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	and that pando has no rep with me	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's that the shit they claim makes zero difference, to you or anyone else ?	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	maybe yeah	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	and that too	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	omg band name saved!	[18:51]
ThickAsThieves	thank you prince pando!	[18:51]
mircea_popescu	prince pando is actually not a bad name for a flaming cabaret homosexual	[18:52]
pankkake	can't help but think of a pedo panda	[18:52]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2011/spamerul-dan-pulic/ << like the guy in that pic	[18:52]
ozbot	Spamerul Dan Pulic pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[18:52]
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ThickAsThieves	lol at thaty pic	[18:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 11 @ 0.06474168 = 0.7122 BTC [-]	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	maybe i'll write a pando hate article and steal all their lovers	[18:53]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu: have you ever checked out romanian section of bitcointalk?	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	i dont think it was ever on the girl's list	[18:55]
mircea_popescu	mostly did securities, scam accusations, stuff like that.	[18:56]
Naphex	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=446503.140 Mining Drama :D	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	"Dupa 24 de apeluri 7 emailuri la care am primit mesaj cu autoresponder in sfarshit pot sa respir cumva."	[18:57]
mircea_popescu	that reads "after 24 calls and 7 emails i can finally breathe somewhat"	[18:58]
mircea_popescu	deepthroat references floatin' in my head...	[18:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.07395199 = 3.6976 BTC [+] {3}	[18:58]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. sad.	[18:58]
Naphex	"Am platit vreo 15mii $ in total si in situatia mea probabil o sa ii recuperez si sa fac profit candva avand in vedere ca nu platesc curent."	[18:59]
Naphex	:))	[18:59]
Naphex	ah wrong face :(	[18:59]
mircea_popescu	yeah. cocksucker's trying to steal electricity, thinks this is "business".	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.67766560 BTC to 8`520 shares, 31428 satoshi per share	[19:00]
Naphex	http://blackminer.com/ the miner producer	[19:01]
ozbot	Black Miner - ASIC Bitcoin & Litecoin Mining Hardware	[19:01]
Naphex	from bacau i think	[19:01]
Naphex	they don't look that bad	[19:01]
mircea_popescu	not enough there to make any sort of call really	[19:02]
Naphex	still looks like they sold some	[19:03]
davout	mircea_popescu: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/mpex.co	[19:03]
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pankkake	!mp http://dpaste.com/3MRP82K/	[19:04]
assbot	Processing.	[19:04]
assbot	Response: error	[19:04]
mircea_popescu	davout meanwhile it's back	[19:05]
davout	yo	[19:05]
mircea_popescu	fried server++;	[19:06]
mircea_popescu	funny thing is, i got the notification from you about half a second before from tech.	[19:06]
davout	probably because your tech doesn't have a bot running	[19:07]
mircea_popescu	no, more like because they have to use encrypted chan	[19:08]
jurov	heh i got notification too, but was afk	[19:08]
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mircea_popescu	anyway. seems a bios chip smoked out. this is what redundancy is for, carry on.	[19:08]
Naphex	never had that happen	[19:09]
davout	dem romanian computers	[19:09]
mircea_popescu	Naphex i have had so many things happen for mpex that i never had happen before i couldn't begin to tel lyou	[19:10]
mircea_popescu	bitcoinpete's reuse address article making some hay on twitter it seems	[19:14]
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Naphex	mircea_popescu: why not run a varnish cache for fronting mpex?	[19:15]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3550 @ 0.0008517 = 3.0235 BTC [-]	[19:16]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: bios !?	[19:20]
asciilifeform	botched flash?	[19:20]
asciilifeform	or, literal magic smoke	[19:20]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the board just went	[19:22]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22900 @ 0.00085161 = 19.5019 BTC [-] {2}	[19:23]
asciilifeform	since you said 'bios', i wondered how this conclusion was reached.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	Naphex this wasn't a front problem, the front was fine all through	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	i like how Matonis is retweeting an article that says "Take whatever the Core Devs say and do the exact opposite."	[19:23]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: yeah i know, was just asking why not, for just html you'd get a lots of plus	[19:23]
ThickAsThieves	gj bitcoinpete	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	Naphex because it's more code, basically.	[19:24]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform just a guess i suspect. the processors weren't hot enough to smoke.	[19:24]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i wonder if matonis actually does get the custom-tailored award thing	[19:25]
ThickAsThieves	award?	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	oh the blockchain awards?	[19:26]
mircea_popescu	weren't there some awards ? "best atm" etc	[19:26]
ThickAsThieves	yeah i think it's kicking off the conference something	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonmatonis/	[19:27]
ozbot	Jon Matonis - The Monetary Future - Forbes	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	he had a job for 1 month writing for forbes	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	then bitcoin crashed	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	iirc he had a forbes blogs for a while	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	defo longer than 1 month	[19:27]
ThickAsThieves	oh	[19:28]
ThickAsThieves	'loa dmore'	[19:28]
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mircea_popescu	!up ziggamon	[19:28]
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ThickAsThieves	i have this feeling none of the people i will want to ask questions will have a Q&A session	[19:29]
Naphex	mircea_popescu: you run it on some server before, totally transparent. it will cache most in RAM and deliver, it. it will merge outgoing connections and route them through HTTP 1.1 connections	[19:29]
ThickAsThieves	and i'll end up chasing them down in the red light district	[19:29]
Naphex	save you lots of trouble even from ddosses whatever;p	[19:29]
mircea_popescu	Naphex not saying varnish is bad or anything	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves didnt you say you liked whoresterdam ?	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	i do, never tried the whores thoughh	[19:31]
ThickAsThieves	would be much more productive to run into these guys at a coffee shop	[19:31]
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ThickAsThieves	in the end my ideal is asking them in public with a crowd	[19:32]
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ThickAsThieves	just to be thorough, would you mind phrasing your question for Vehehe exactly?	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	it seems it'd need multiple parts	[19:33]
mircea_popescu	you got your own head neh ? you get the idea, ask it until you get an answer	[19:33]
ThickAsThieves	but generally you want to know whether and when theyll issue financial statements?	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	are they a 501c3?	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	if so i can have my wife get them	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	not whether, but why haven't they.	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	what is he hiding	[19:34]
ThickAsThieves	k	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	did he spend the money on booze, like every single other bitcoin foundaton plat member to date ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	such as karpeles ? such as vleisides ? such as etc ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	what is his connection to ndrengheta ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	was he aware bfl is using the bf logo to scam users ? did he agree to be paid to help with this ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	did all the payment end up in the foundation or did he pocket some ?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	if he didn't pocket any why does he refuse to allow the foundation to publish its books ?	[19:36]
asciilifeform	re: ndrangheta: http://www.malavita.com/diemusik_en.html	[19:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00433 = 0.433 BTC [-]	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	does he think it's ok to be both the treasurer and the exec of a foundation ?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	is this because he wants to prevent the public from discovering how he's been embezziling the donations ?	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	etc.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	until he answers, you can keep askin.	[19:36]
asciilifeform	allow the foundation to publish its books << what and undress the nsa payola?	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	btw, i reread the logs yesterday	[19:37]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.074 = 0.37 BTC [+]	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	and when i said "mah job!"	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	i totally misunderstood what you were asking bitcoingirl to do	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform also a good line :p	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves hehe i thought so.	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	didnt realize it was an mpex promo thing	[19:37]
ThickAsThieves	dafuck, their donate page is vastly lacking in info	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	you don't say.	[19:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0324999 = 0.65 BTC [+] {3}	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	possibly to an illegal degree	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	no ?!	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	dude what the fuck have i been sayinbg for a year over here already!	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	they ran off top the uk because the us le was starting to ask questions	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	you know the saying,	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	you can also ask about that, what's the plan, once the uk starts asking questions they move it to panama ?	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	I'll see it when I believe it.	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	i emailed legal@bitcoinfoundation.org	[19:43]
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ThickAsThieves	we'll see if i get a Murck-y responde	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	response	[19:44]
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fluffypony	https://twitter.com/The1KingDragon/status/463477836213264385	[19:47]
ozbot	Twitter / The1KingDragon: The latest @TheCryptoRush: ...	[19:47]
fluffypony	WHY	[19:47]
fluffypony	WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING RETARDED	[19:47]
mircea_popescu	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaQNPxDISus	[19:48]
ozbot	La Musica Della Mafia-A Casanza (Vittorio) - YouTube	[19:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29850 @ 0.00085181 = 25.4265 BTC [+] {2}	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform http://trilema.com/2010/nu-folosi-lucrurile/	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	there it is.	[19:48]
chetty	http://www.bizpacreview.com/2014/05/06/brain-dead-on-the-boardwalk-folks-agree-with-obama-that-not-liking-mexican-food-is-racist-117133?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter	[19:49]
ozbot	Brain-dead on the boardwalk: Folks ‘agree with Obama’ that not liking Mexican food is racist -	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	hey fluffypony "Bella 'sta storia e chi la sente, bella la gente ca la racconta, bella la terra ca nun sâ scorda, bella Michela ca nun s'arrènne."	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	so, beautiful the story and whoever hears it, beautiful the people that tell it, beautiful land that won't forget, beautiful michela that won't... yield ?	[19:57]
mircea_popescu	or wtf is arrenne	[19:57]
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fluffypony	dialect, I'd have to ask my nonno	[19:58]
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mircea_popescu	so ask teh nonno.	[19:58]
fluffypony	phoning him now	[19:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.46 = 2.3 BTC [+]	[19:59]
fluffypony	lol plz hold, nonna first has to complain about how she's going blind and my nonno is a lazy ass	[20:01]
mircea_popescu	it waited 3 centuries, it'll wait out your cell battery too :D	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	michele that won't scar?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	scar ?	[20:04]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: did that solder job stay affixed?	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform for ~ a year.	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves nah, i suspect it's a cognate of arrender	[20:04]
asciilifeform	neato	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	arrendar*	[20:04]
asciilifeform	looks exactly like those infernal 'dell' power jacks	[20:04]
asciilifeform	i fixed at least 3 as a student, for various folks	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform iirc it was a dell.	[20:05]
fluffypony	Beautiful story to who can hear it, nice the people that tell the story, pretty the earth that doesn't forget it, beautiful Michela that didn't forget it.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	uh	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SF1] 135 @ 0.00088925 = 0.12 BTC [+] {2}	[20:05]
asciilifeform	a decade later, i still recognized those 3 thermal vias	[20:05]
asciilifeform	lol	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	pain, you know ?	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	best way to form memories.	[20:07]
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mircea_popescu	"the idea of "ten million dollars" really need to start meaning something again."	[20:10]
mircea_popescu	lol gawker going nuts. sure it will. 10 mn btc means a scary shitload of alot.	[20:11]
asciilifeform	when do we ask for 10m rubles to mean something ?	[20:11]
mircea_popescu	10mn rubles mean you've not been drinking enough for a while.	[20:13]
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pankkake	https://i.imgur.com/SOMC0BA.png	[20:23]
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fluffypony	dat increase sekuriteez	[20:26]
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benkay	good morning!	[20:28]
benkay	mike_c: thanks for the bitbet rotator :)	[20:29]
mike_c	you're welcome!	[20:30]
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mike_c	v2, with linking to the right bet:	[21:06]
mike_c	http://www.btcalpha.com/blog/2014/bitbet-afilliate-ad/	[21:07]
ozbot	BitBet Affiliate Ad - Btc Alpha	[21:07]
fluffypony	https://twitter.com/blockchain/status/463736248293941248	[21:08]
ozbot	Twitter / blockchain: Is there anything more ...	[21:08]
fluffypony	"Is there anything more inspirational than a talk about #bitcoin by Andreas Antonopoulos? http://ow.ly/wvuOU @aantonop"	[21:08]
pankkake	so you're not even serving your own address a few percent of the time?	[21:08]
fluffypony	all hail our great overlord Andreas!	[21:08]
mike_c	pankkake: just 0.1%. i'm not greedy	[21:08]
pankkake	well, you should state so then!	[21:09]
mike_c	i kid, i kid.	[21:09]
pankkake	ahah	[21:09]
pankkake	it's easy to bypass with the image only, anyway	[21:09]
mike_c	yeah	[21:09]
pankkake	perhaps leave a donation address, as I would definitively donate if it earned me something	[21:10]
mike_c	if you make any money (and my script doesn't steal it) you can WoT me :)	[21:11]
fluffypony	u wot m8	[21:11]
pankkake	;;rated mike_c	[21:12]
gribble	You rated user mike_c on Mon May 5 14:54:20 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: small atc transaction + he does great stuff with btcalpha.com.	[21:12]
pankkake	fluffypony: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=358820.msg3876565#msg3876565 I'm not sure I was the first though	[21:13]
fluffypony	lol	[21:13]
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thestringpuller	;;ident	[21:26]
gribble	Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None	[21:26]
thestringpuller	;;rate pankkake "Gives French people a good name."	[21:27]
gribble	Error: 'Gives French people a good name.' is not a valid integer.	[21:27]
thestringpuller	;;rate pankkake 1 "Gives French people a good name."	[21:27]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user pankkake has been recorded.	[21:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.0733999 = 0.1468 BTC [-] {2}	[21:40]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[21:40]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00084554 / 0.00085283 / 0.00085994 (728540 shares, 621.32 BTC), 7D: 0.00083786 / 0.00092644 / 0.00098485 (4953038 shares, 4,588.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00083786 / 0.00095915 / 0.00101 (19816431 shares, 19,007.06 BTC)	[21:40]
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bitcoinpete	https://twitter.com/jonmatonis/status/463711450432020480 << matonis discovers the west indes. or at least the teutons	[21:42]
ozbot	Twitter / jonmatonis: On Reusing Bitcoin Addresses ...	[21:42]
Apocalyptic	dat matonis	[21:42]
thestringpuller	dat matonis tho, he's actually wanting to build a relationship with #bitcoin-assets?	[21:44]
bitcoinpete	thestringpuller: almost seems like it	[21:45]
bitcoinpete	don't count him out on timisoara/lower americas next year	[21:46]
bitcoinpete	http://www.theatlantic.com/live/events/new-york-ideas/2014/ <	[21:49]
ozbot	New York Ideas - AtlanticLIVE - The Atlantic	[21:49]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, you wrote "Private keys have only one address" on bitcoinpete's article	[21:50]
pankkake	are you going to nitpick? :)	[21:50]
Apocalyptic	are you really sure you want to claim that ?	[21:50]
Apocalyptic	it's not nitpicking if it's outright wrong right ? :)	[21:51]
bitcoinpete	lol	[21:51]
fluffypony	WWE RAW, Bitcoin Assets Smackdown edition	[21:51]
pankkake	besides the various forms of writing an address, I guess there are RIPEMD-160 collisions?	[21:51]
Apocalyptic	obviously	[21:51]
fluffypony	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://thedoghousediaries.com/comics/uncategorized/2014-05-05-cc318e9.png	[21:52]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:52]
BingoBoingo	fluffypony: That actually gets said a lot by fans of the same team.	[21:52]
fluffypony	just not of opposing teams	[21:53]
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pankkake	the most entertaining part of sports is supporters	[21:53]
thestringpuller	bitcoinpete: i like tho how people are following trilema-esque articles now in relation to bitcoin with the big push from your blog	[21:54]
thestringpuller	originally mircea_popescu said when dealing with the press: "don't, they are too stupid to live" or something thereof	[21:54]
bitcoinpete	someone has to bridge the gap between the intelligencia and the drooling masses	[21:55]
bitcoinpete	it won't happen overnight	[21:56]
bitcoinpete	and i don't mind dealing with the press	[21:56]
mike_c	that gap is unbridgeable. ask hanbot.	[21:58]
bitcoinpete	more blogs like thickasthieves and further helping to broaden our network	[21:58]
bitcoinpete	giving support to what was otherwise a lone voice in the wilderness	[21:58]
Apocalyptic	hum i see cryptorush was discussed this morning	[21:58]
Apocalyptic	haven't these guys given up already ?	[21:58]
bitcoinpete	mike_c the gap for all is unbridgeable, but there are some caught in the thorns that can be freed	[21:59]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2507 @ 0.00085321 = 2.139 BTC [+]	[21:59]
artifexd	As evidenced by the slowly growing population of this channel?	[21:59]
fluffypony	;;later tell thickasthieves don't worry bro, Reddit's got this, Bitcoin is going to sponsor a UFC fighter: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/24uq2q/how_serious_are_you_about_sponsoring_a_ufc/	[21:59]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:59]
fluffypony	Apocalyptic: no	[22:00]
mike_c	a noble goal, good luck with it :) certainly a task i don't envy.	[22:00]
Apocalyptic	fluffypony:WHY ARE PEOPLE SO FUCKING RETARDED // cause they think they can build an exchange	[22:00]
Apocalyptic	whereas they don't have a single clue	[22:00]
fluffypony	Apocalyptic: but don't worry, despite being gutted and having a scam-IPO to rebuild they're going to use MongoDB because it solves everything!	[22:00]
fluffypony	it's WEB SCALE!	[22:00]
Apocalyptic	at this point the only thing that comes to mind is : "i don't even..."	[22:01]
Naphex	scale wat	[22:01]
Naphex	3 visits/s	[22:01]
Naphex	MUST SCALE	[22:01]
pankkake	mongodb is also decentralized	[22:01]
pankkake	so it solves everything. twice.	[22:01]
fluffypony	pankkake: exactly	[22:01]
fluffypony	who needs 1 trade to be confirmed	[22:01]
fluffypony	when you can have 3 different trades confirmed at the same time	[22:01]
Apocalyptic	"King Dragon @The1KingDragon Security Professional, CEO CryptoRush"	[22:01]
fluffypony	it's like a triple spend	[22:01]
bitcoinpete	artifexd: yes, exactly	[22:02]
Apocalyptic	these are some epic credentials	[22:02]
pankkake	innovative features like negative balances!	[22:02]
bitcoinpete	mike_c: noble goals or nothing	[22:02]
bitcoinpete	.d	[22:03]
ozbot	8.001 billion \| Next Diff in 956 blocks \| Estimated Change: 7.4079% in 6d 3h 29m 55s	[22:03]
fluffypony	pankkake: eventual consistency, within 3 weeks!	[22:03]
thestringpuller	bitcoinpete: What do you think will be the "premiere" archive of information? I imagine all the good info in BingoBoingo ThickAsThieves Trilema your's and other blogs will eventually be archived into the "Manual for the Bitcoin n00b"	[22:07]
pankkake	there is the wiki	[22:08]
bitcoinpete	thestringpuller: this is something we've discussed before i believe… and there's no one clear answer.	[22:08]
bitcoinpete	the wiki is one	[22:08]
bitcoinpete	ultimately, there's no replacement for reading the logs and the blogs	[22:09]
pankkake	I guess you end up reading old, important artists with all the links	[22:09]
pankkake	articles*	[22:09]
bitcoinpete	eventually, i see fewer people walking into bitcoin (and assets) like they own the place	[22:09]
bitcoinpete	meaning that those entering the space will appreciate how little they know	[22:10]
bitcoinpete	this humility comes with a measure of diligence	[22:10]
bitcoinpete	and patience	[22:10]
BingoBoingo	thestringpuller: That's a good question. I imagine we'll fill the wiki with important points over time, but in the long run it will probably be spread over the blogs. Maybe when it becomes a concern there might be a discussion of some sort of archive-assets for blogs that lose viability to to operator inability to continue them.	[22:10]
thestringpuller	that's interesting bitcoinpete	[22:10]
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thestringpuller	because i had a discussion recently on the "true n00b"	[22:10]
thestringpuller	a n00b that isn't willfully ignorant	[22:11]
thestringpuller	n00bs that are willfully ignorant will fight to defend said ignorance	[22:11]
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bitcoinpete	thestringpuller: the true n00b is already losing interest in bitcoin, though "cryptocurrency in general" still has their attention	[22:12]
bitcoinpete	thus, doge, etc	[22:12]
thestringpuller	ah so the true n00b usually has a short attention span like the kids of the MTV generation @_@	[22:13]
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BingoBoingo	Well, it is hard to characterize the eventual trajectory of any given true n00b.	[22:15]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 31 @ 0.03349595 = 1.0384 BTC [+] {4}	[22:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151121 = 0.2521 BTC [+]	[22:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {3}	[22:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151113 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {3}	[22:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {3}	[22:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {2}	[22:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0315111 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2}	[22:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}	[22:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.07249999 = 1.0875 BTC [-]	[22:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0335 = 0.268 BTC [+] {2}	[22:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.03151105 = 0.2521 BTC [-] {2}	[22:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.06474168 = 0.5179 BTC [-] {2}	[22:20]
pankkake	;;later tell ThickAsThieves https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=598237.0 IPVO!!	[22:20]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0335 = 0.1005 BTC [+] {2}	[22:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1942 BTC [-] {2}	[22:21]
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fluffypony	pankkake: YOU TOO CAN OWN A PIECE OF THIS WIKI!	[22:22]
fluffypony	I started typing a reply to them but ya know	[22:22]
fluffypony	I actually can't bring myself to finish it	[22:22]
pankkake	self moderated	[22:22]
pankkake	"Our target is to raise 15 BTC", lol	[22:23]
fluffypony	we should do an IPO for Wikipedia	[22:23]
fluffypony	on BitcoinBourse	[22:23]
Apocalyptic	pankkake is to be chairman imo	[22:23]
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fluffypony	definitely	[22:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.06474168 = 0.1295 BTC [-]	[22:25]
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asciilifeform	fluffypony: going to sponsor a UFC fighter << never having known of 'UFC', i assumed that it referred to an 'unmanned flying competition' - i.e. drone dogfight tourney.	[22:26]
fluffypony	LOL	[22:26]
asciilifeform	which would be indeed interesting	[22:26]
fluffypony	now that I would sponsor	[22:26]
asciilifeform	'bb' caliber cannons. or, alternatively and more simply, rams.	[22:26]
bitcoinpete	;;later tell heysteve i haven't seen your links on crytocoinnews so feel free to pass them along!	[22:27]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:27]
fluffypony	;;later tell mircea_popescu my nonna phoned me back to say that they were discussing the piece of poetry, and she suggests this alternative: "This is a beautiful story for whoever listens to it, beautiful the people that tell the story, beautiful the land that cannot be forgotten, beautiful Michela she will be"	[22:29]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[22:29]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I imagine the drones having hardening foams and nets, seem more likely to cripple competing aircraft.	[22:30]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: only the ones with exposed rotors.	[22:30]
BingoBoingo	I could see a sticky hardening foam interfering with the aerodynamics of non-rotor aircraft	[22:31]
asciilifeform	sure.	[22:31]
BingoBoingo	I'm thinking of the stuff developed a while back for non-lethal anti personel use	[22:32]
asciilifeform	there is enough 'design space' to make the tourney interesting. e.g. a smaller and more maneuverable craft is harder to blast with the glue gun, etc.	[22:32]
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asciilifeform	excess engines will withstand some glue, but draw more power. use imagination.	[22:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.4699999 BTC [-]	[22:36]
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asciilifeform	some tricks would probably have to be excluded (e.g. radio jamming)	[22:37]
fluffypony	I'm a media whore and got interviewed on a podcast: https://soundcloud.com/zerofiat/zero_fiats-vertcoin-update-05-06-2014#t=11:40	[22:37]
fluffypony	<3	[22:37]
asciilifeform	or, at least, stipulate in the rules that both fighters must share a channel	[22:37]
asciilifeform	(jam opponent, jam self)	[22:37]
fluffypony	bitcoinpete: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/gordon-geeko <- HeySteve's profile on CCN	[22:38]
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asciilifeform	'"We can turn your computer into a brick," U.S. officials told the	[22:40]
asciilifeform	startled executives, according to a participant in the meeting.'	[22:40]
asciilifeform	http://cryptome.org/2014/05/nsa-scares-ceos.pdf	[22:40]
asciilifeform	please do! i need a brick.	[22:40]
pankkake	is there a rss feed per author on cryptocoinnews?	[22:41]
pankkake	yep! cool	[22:41]
asciilifeform	re: http://www.btcalpha.com/bitbet/825/ad.png -	[22:41]
asciilifeform	^ this might be a 'badBet.'	[22:41]
asciilifeform	it is possible to trigger earthquake artificially.	[22:42]
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davout	asciilifeform: prolly not a mega one tho	[22:43]
davout	:D	[22:43]
mike_c	it has minimum of 8.0 Mw. that would be impressive if manmade.	[22:43]
asciilifeform	davout: how 'mega' would depend on the tectonics of a particular location.	[22:43]
pankkake	can you produce an earthquake for 0.14 BTC?	[22:44]
davout	asciilifeform: are you implying that a human action could have some influence on the tectonic movements leading to an earthquake?	[22:44]
asciilifeform	davout: sure.	[22:44]
fluffypony	pankkake: hah found it	[22:44]
fluffypony	pankkake: http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/author/gordon-geeko/feed	[22:45]
asciilifeform	at least two known methods.	[22:45]
davout	pankkake: doubtful, the last japenese earthquake cost sthg like 750,000	[22:45]
asciilifeform	cost?! to produce?	[22:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24579 @ 0.00085321 = 20.971 BTC [+]	[22:45]
davout	asciilifeform: enlighten me	[22:45]
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asciilifeform	one - nuke	[22:45]
asciilifeform	other - tesla's apparatus	[22:45]
davout	yeah, thought about that one, might require an extremely massive one tho, or maybe very well positioned	[22:46]
asciilifeform	tesla's apparatus was briefcase-sized. and, according to rumour, the experiment has been replicated since. but, to no one's great surprise, the data in open literature is very scarce.	[22:47]
davout	"other - tesla's apparatus" <<< how? i would have said the second method involved some sort of sending waves through the earth and manage to use some sort of resonance phenomenon	[22:47]
asciilifeform	that was indeed it.	[22:47]
davout	oh, guess i was confused about what tesla's apparatus is	[22:47]
davout	!= tesla coils	[22:48]
asciilifeform	no coils involved	[22:48]
davout	THEY'RE COOL THO	[22:48]
mike_c	mythbusters says no tesla earthquake. http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/about-this-show/earthquake-machine.htm	[22:49]
asciilifeform	mike_c: i would expect the results to depend heavily on the surroundings.	[22:49]
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asciilifeform	mike_c: ever do the famous oscilloscope and breaking glass experiment?	[22:50]
mike_c	no, you can break glass with an oscilloscope?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	no - with a loudspeaker.	[22:50]
mike_c	smack the glass with the oscilliscope?	[22:50]
asciilifeform	similar to what opera singers have done as a party trick	[22:50]
davout	mike_c: no with a loudspeaker dummy	[22:51]
mike_c	my way sounds easier	[22:51]
asciilifeform	but with an automated widget that determines the glass's resonant freq.	[22:51]
davout	asciilifeform: you go to weird parties	[22:51]
asciilifeform	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17tqXgvCN0E	[22:51]
ozbot	breaking a wine glass using resonance - YouTube	[22:51]
asciilifeform	anyone who played on a swing as a child has experienced a pumped oscillator.	[22:52]
mike_c	whoa. that video is cool. that glass is shaking.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	;;google tacoma narrows bridge	[22:54]
gribble	Tacoma Narrows Bridges - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Tacoma Narrows Bridge (1940) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Tacoma Narrows Bridge Collapse "Gallopin' Gertie" - YouTube:	[22:54]
asciilifeform	same thing, but accidental - on a larger scale.	[22:54]
mike_c	comments on that video are good too :) "Thanks now my crt is broken"	[22:54]
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kakobrekla	who rang?	[22:55]
asciilifeform	tesla's hammer is often said to be 'debunked' because, placed in an arbitrary patch of ground, it is unlikely to do much.	[22:55]
mike_c	kakobrekla: we were looking for clarification on bitbet affiliate rules.	[22:56]
kakobrekla	which part	[22:56]
mike_c	like, is referral cookie good for all bets or just the one you sent them to?	[22:56]
kakobrekla	should be good for 30 days	[22:56]
kakobrekla	irrespective of anything else	[22:56]
kakobrekla	but really	[22:56]
kakobrekla	feel free to look at the code	[22:57]
kakobrekla	(js)	[22:57]
mike_c	plus, the ref cookie only seems to be good for an hour.	[22:57]
kakobrekla	whut?	[22:57]
mike_c	when I looked at the cookie it said it expired in an hour.	[22:57]
kakobrekla	when did you set it?	[22:58]
bitcoinpete	fluffypony: good find!	[22:58]
mike_c	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-05-2014#662090	[22:58]
ozbot	#bitcoin-assets log	[22:58]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/js/custom.js	[22:58]
kakobrekla	should be 30 days	[22:59]
kakobrekla	but dunno, ill take a look	[22:59]
mike_c	um	[23:00]
mike_c	JS date time is in milliseconds	[23:00]
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mike_c	i think you're missing a (* 1000)	[23:00]
kakobrekla	ZOMG.	[23:00]
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davout	!bash 4	[23:00]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/0233GRF.txt)	[23:00]
asciilifeform	to finish the previous story - not everything is a wine glass. but anything that can be induced to behave like one, can be broken in just this way.	[23:01]
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asciilifeform	if you can induce oscillations strong enough to stretch the materials past breaking point.	[23:03]
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asciilifeform	(which is exactly how 'brissance' works, in explosion)	[23:03]
mike_c	reason #1483 why javascript is retarded.	[23:05]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11134 @ 0.00085094 = 9.4744 BTC [-]	[23:05]
kakobrekla	mike_c should be fixed nao	[23:06]
kakobrekla	js made me a scammer :(	[23:07]
mike_c	confirmed fixed. cookie expires on June 5 now.	[23:08]
kakobrekla	you got a mention in the sauce.	[23:08]
mike_c	nice :)	[23:08]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.0008509 = 17.1031 BTC [-] {2}	[23:23]
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mircea_popescu	https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/463781829313855488	[23:46]
ozbot	Twitter / Mircea_Popescu: @pro2rat @jonmatonis @bitcoinpete ...	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	god help us.	[23:46]
mircea_popescu	self-lubricating assholes and uvula orgasms could be a reality inside Maude, why not.	[23:47]
mircea_popescu	besides the various forms of writing an address, I guess there are RIPEMD-160 collisions? << a ripemd-160 collision that'd make two diff bitcoin addresses out of one key is kinda improbable even theoretically tho	[23:51]
pankkake	yeah so stop nitpicking Apocalyptic	[23:51]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell BingoBoingo http://thedoghousediaries.com/comics/uncategorized/2014-05-05-cc318e9.png << no actually i said that. sorry.	[23:52]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: I seem to recall you mentioning Piketty, but don't recall the context. Was it regarding his book?	[23:52]
fluffypony	mircea_popescu: yes but you're a rational human being	[23:52]
fluffypony	who can think	[23:52]
fluffypony	and reason	[23:52]
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mircea_popescu	that gap is unbridgeable. ask hanbot. << hanbot teh bridge builder. in full leather regalia and with three whips and twoi lashes in each hand.	[23:52]
TomServo	More to the point, is his book worth reading?	[23:53]
mircea_popescu	haven't these guys given up already ? << i was kinda surprised myself.	[23:53]
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mircea_popescu	http://bitbet.us/bet/716/btc-worth-over-5000-before-2015/#b18 << 2:1 srsly ?	[23:55]
ozbot	BitBet - BTC worth over $5000 before 2015	[23:55]
BingoBoingo	Bridges built with Ginger roots.	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	so it solves everything. twice. << 8 lines bashed. omfg i spilled. bwahahahaha	[23:55]
mircea_popescu	TomServo yes.	[23:55]
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mircea_popescu	and depends what your interest is. my mention was something to the effect of, "some frenchie took the pseudo-statistics that yielded the golf club pattern in climate pseudo-science and applied it to pseudo-economics"	[23:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11171 @ 0.00085254 = 9.5237 BTC [+]	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	"King Dragon @The1KingDragon Security Professional, CEO CryptoRush" << FUCK YOU. he's a KING dragon.	[23:58]
mircea_popescu	pankkake: eventual consistency, within 3 weeks! << for all the beating eventual consistency gets, the sad secret elephant in the room is that all business in the history of business for the past 1k years has been of the eventual consistency types. what do you think double entry accounting is.	[23:59]
mircea_popescu	business runs on ec.	[23:59]

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