Forum logs for 06 Apr 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.28800001 BTC [-]	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.288 = 2.304 BTC [-]	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.285 = 2.85 BTC [-]	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.284 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.28 = 2.8 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.278 = 2.224 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.278 = 0.556 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.276666 = 0.5533 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 34 @ 0.275 = 9.35 BTC [-]	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 24 @ 0.275 = 6.6 BTC [-]	[00:01]
MJR_	its his tv personality that bothers me...he appears to be on meth...kinda disheveled	[00:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070705 = 0.9192 BTC [-]	[00:01]
MJR_	fuck	[00:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7585 @ 0.00070706 = 5.3631 BTC [+]	[00:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6215 @ 0.00070719 = 4.3952 BTC [+]	[00:01]
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mircea_popescu	.275 srtsly ?!@	[00:02]
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MJR_	i know	[00:05]
MJR_	this is kinda great on one level	[00:06]
MJR_	hmmm...	[00:07]
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MJR_	;;calc 890/276100	[00:07]
gribble	0.00322346975733	[00:07]
MJR_	;;calc 0.00322346975733*12	[00:08]
gribble	0.038681637088	[00:08]
MJR_	almost 4 percent using one of the worst months as the test case	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	and in bitcoin	[00:08]
MJR_	and in reference to monetarist...exactly	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	people have no cvlue. they'll learn.	[00:08]
MJR_	yes, but hopefully i can scoop up a big chunk of the float before they do	[00:08]
mircea_popescu	the ability to make bad deals is what teaches people to stick to good ones.	[00:09]
MJR_	good point	[00:09]
MJR_	i am only annoyed from a "show the best performance" perspective	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	yes well... here's the thing :	[00:09]
MJR_	i am very happy from a "get the best investment" perspective	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	a lot of newbs playing around introduce distortion in the marketplace.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	let's consider the life of Noob.	[00:09]
mircea_popescu	actually fuck this, ima wriote an article, brb.	[00:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0033333 = 3.3333 BTC [+]	[00:09]
MJR_	i mean, this IS on 13% of the shares...and only on the small percentage of which are traded	[00:09]
pizzaman1337	lulz	[00:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.276 BTC [+]	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 28 @ 0.275 = 7.7 BTC [-]	[00:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.309 BTC [+]	[00:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [+]	[00:20]
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pgp	christ... SDICE...	[00:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.425 BTC [-]	[00:26]
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deadweasel	;;ticker	[00:30]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 142.62742, Best ask: 143.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37258, Last trade: 142.62742, 24 hour volume: 69848.45947306, 24 hour low: 130.24303, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 138.48970	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2999 BTC [+]	[00:31]
mircea_popescu	MJR_ http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/the-broad-and-the-million-fireants-a-parable/	[00:32]
mircea_popescu	there.	[00:32]
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pgp	mp: good article	[00:34]
pgp	rise in btcusd is nice 'n all, but the mad rush in by noobs does have its downsides...	[00:36]
mircea_popescu	yeh. trust, but verify, grow but fortify.	[00:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 210 @ 0.0032 = 0.672 BTC [-]	[00:37]
jurov	topace\|2: trying to register on havelock, no mail comes, nothing in spam folder either	[00:37]
pigeons	go away jurov	[00:37]
pizzaman1337	"He does not understand these words, as is the case with all the words he uses." < best line	[00:37]
mircea_popescu	yeah, it's always funny when people resort to definitions in an argument with the avg redditor.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	im like... yeah, right. he uses that system.	[00:38]
mircea_popescu	that's how he got confused in the first place.	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.305 BTC [+]	[00:38]
pgp	lol	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	friend calls you on the phone, "hey, i'm stranded at the airport" "well... get in your car and here's driving directions"	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	totally.	[00:39]
mircea_popescu	that's why he's calling you. cause he has a car at the airport.	[00:40]
pgp	lmao	[00:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 37 @ 0.00349 = 0.1291 BTC [+]	[00:41]
pgp	seriously, though, only bad things happen to noobs and bad things can happen easily in bitcoins if you don't know what you're doing...	[00:42]
pgp	combustible combination...	[00:42]
mircea_popescu	verily.	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	i think we'll have to slowly change the sales pitch on bitcoin from	[00:43]
pgp	i just hope that bitcoin public image doesn't get too bruised getting through this growth spurt	[00:43]
mircea_popescu	"everyone's invited" to "this is dangerous"	[00:43]
pgp	then more will want in!	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	hm	[00:44]
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mircea_popescu	well at least they'd have had been warned.	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	fuck	[00:44]
mircea_popescu	how does engluish make the past subjonctive again ?	[00:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.29999999 BTC [-]	[00:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000656 = 0.0013 BTC [+]	[00:45]
mircea_popescu	[at the time in the past we're discussing, this other event had already definitely happened in the past], how do you say that	[00:45]
pgp	mjr and I are FLOODED with requests from our collegues, friends, and drinking buddies to buy bitcoins FOR them...	[00:46]
mircea_popescu	brokerage ftw	[00:46]
pgp	I suppose that's safer then them doing it themselves - lol	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3235 @ 0.00070719 = 2.2878 BTC [+]	[00:46]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13465 @ 0.00070873 = 9.543 BTC [+]	[00:47]
pgp	would that we would have?	[00:47]
pgp	past subjunctive	[00:47]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i advocate that perspective daily	[00:47]
benkay	bitcoins are a sophisticated financial instrument	[00:48]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: your article is intriguing	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	pgp turns out would is auxiliary there, not personal, so it was correct	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	they'd have been warned.	[00:48]
thestringpuller	does this add to the situation wednesday?	[00:48]
pgp	ye	[00:48]
benkay	i say: "you know how your beloved government doesn't let you invest in profitable things? bitcoins are exactly the kind of thing you're not supposed to invest in."	[00:48]
pgp	yes	[00:48]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller how do you mean ?	[00:48]
pizzaman1337	;;ticker	[00:49]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 142.80001, Best ask: 143.49999, Bid-ask spread: 0.69998, Last trade: 143.77119, 24 hour volume: 69859.70987158, 24 hour low: 130.24303, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 138.54781	[00:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1790 @ 0.0032 = 5.728 BTC [-]	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	i dunno why people hate on gmo food. these grapes are the size of prunes, taste like grape juice and have no seeds at all.	[00:49]
mircea_popescu	looking forward to the woman made out of eyes, tits and ankles only.	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	rawr change is bad	[00:50]
benkay	science is scawwy	[00:50]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you said in your article "The situation in the market was becoming macroeconomically concerning, in the following sense : major holders were done selling, the vast majority of trading action consisting of trades among newcomers brought in by the recent significant press exposure" it seems noobs were about to cause a bubble and if left "unkempt" the herd mentality could cause catostrophic issues to	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	a yeah. i believe so.	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	all the "it's going to 500" talk was putting us on the spot	[00:51]
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mircea_popescu	correction without collapse => show of strength. no bubble can do that	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	no trend-only item survives the past 3 days.	[00:52]
burnside	the problem with gmo's is half the work they do is to make 'em pesticide/herbacide resistant.	[00:52]
pgp	sometimes you have to go down to go up...	[00:52]
burnside	they do that so they can slather them with pesticides and herbicides	[00:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070508 = 0.9166 BTC [-]	[00:52]
burnside	yum	[00:52]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3450 @ 0.00070507 = 2.4325 BTC [-]	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	burnside i wasn't being ingenuous you know	[00:52]
burnside	heh	[00:52]
burnside	sometimes I process things a lil slow	[00:52]
ThickAsThieves	like my withdrawals?	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	;)	[00:53]
burnside	my cpu is a 286	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	lol zing	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	at least he processes them dood.	[00:53]
burnside	you always plug 'em in in the middle of the night!	[00:53]
ThickAsThieves	i'm sorting out	[00:53]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: yes which is why as youve stated the presence of big players (as yourself) keeps the economy from having a complete collapse. i pose a scenario where the noobs become educated. what occurs when the economy is composed of more competency?	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	just gotta keep my btc more spread around	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	the more competence the more we onw.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	own*	[00:54]
burnside	yeah, I'd be worried about anyplace you have a lot of btc that doesn't have a manual withdrawal process honestly.	[00:54]
mircea_popescu	this is true.	[00:54]
ThickAsThieves	what about manual big selloff od stocks then?	[00:55]
benkay	do y'all see any use in the btc economy for entities that hold slices of private keys for users?	[00:55]
benkay	aka distributed wallet backup?	[00:55]
burnside	not sure what'cha mean. (286 remember.)	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	benkay the service is better offered by the guy's gf.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	suppose this russian guy has a wife which wife has a sister.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	he always travels with his wife and her sister.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	sometimes tanja is the wife and nadja is the sister	[00:56]
ThickAsThieves	kinky	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	sometimes vice-versa.	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	NOW.	[00:56]
pgp	benkay: yes	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	why'd the russian guy use you to hold half his keys ?	[00:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27000002 BTC [-]	[00:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27000001 BTC [-]	[00:56]
mircea_popescu	why not give half to nadja and half to tanja ?	[00:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.27 BTC [-]	[00:56]
pgp	multi-sig has many interesting applications as well	[00:57]
benkay	because nadja and tanja have a tendency to bitch out and cannot be depended on for professional service, other than the oral kind.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	maybe	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	your service is publicly known tho.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	the girls are private to him only.	[00:57]
mircea_popescu	so there's pros and cons.	[00:57]
benkay	secret sharing allows one to reconstruct without all shared slices, though	[00:58]
benkay	allowing one to leave slices with trusted relatives in addition to untrusted banks around the world	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	im just saying, if you're goijng to shard your key,	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	why use a publicly known and thus attackable holder of shards.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	ah, so as a part thing.	[00:58]
mircea_popescu	sure.	[00:58]
benkay	why not use 10 publicly known holders and 10 private?	[00:58]
benkay	i'm looking at en-robust-ifying the thing	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	well... why use a holder that's known for holding ?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	why not put a piece of paper in a bank locked chest say	[00:59]
benkay	bank is over there	[00:59]
benkay	i am all over world	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	even so.	[00:59]
benkay	sometimes on iss	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	the fact that we know you hold shards adds a risk to you as a shard holder.	[00:59]
benkay	sure, but shard holder ameliorates that risk by charging a fee for a useful service. some fraction of which fee should go to ops to blah blah blah	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	now, this may not be a show stopper, i readily grant	[01:00]
pgp	watch - tradtional accounting and auditing firms are going to get involved in the bitcoin security game - and insuring deposits while they're at it...	[01:00]
mircea_popescu	pgp i wouldn't mind working with one.	[01:00]
benkay	the ecosystem needs auditors and accountants.	[01:00]
benkay	witness ALL THE THINGS.	[01:00]
benkay	smickles should really get on that.	[01:01]
pgp	already making inroads...	[01:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.25200001 BTC [-]	[01:02]
mircea_popescu	i think smickles is busy making more smickles.	[01:03]
benkay	in addition to keysharding, i want to see merchant receipt/contract tracking as well	[01:04]
pgp	a practice of requiring 2/3 key to unlock an address for owner, auditor, lawyer (in case owner dies) seems like a good start	[01:04]
benkay	otc, but for merchants, and prettier.	[01:05]
pgp	you can put whatever text you want into a txn...	[01:05]
benkay	why put it in the blockchain	[01:05]
benkay	when you can use the underlying crypto?	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	i'm getting fed up with conf times	[01:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.25200001 BTC [-]	[01:05]
ThickAsThieves	wtf are all these asics for	[01:06]
benkay	what asics	[01:06]
pgp	.25?!?	[01:06]
benkay	;)	[01:06]
pgp	benkay: sure	[01:06]
benkay	the thing would be relatively simple to implement	[01:07]
benkay	big text box for receipts/contracts	[01:07]
benkay	track all signing entities	[01:07]
benkay	kinda buy into claim resolution, which is not a scalable thing	[01:08]
pgp	interesting...	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves the asics have little to do with tx processing. they just hash.	[01:09]
mircea_popescu	we have a problem with nodes is what it is.	[01:09]
ThickAsThieves	how do we fix it	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	so annoyed	[01:10]
jborkl	I got my stratum servers running today	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	is running a node hard/costly?	[01:10]
jborkl	no	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	can i node be used to expedite ones own transactions?	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	a node*	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	"a well-known Silicon Valley socialite and entrepreneur"	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	ok, what the fuck is that ?	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	i cant wait hours day trading	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yes.	[01:11]
mircea_popescu	run a node, have it well connected, you'll be instamempooled.	[01:11]
ThickAsThieves	k where can learn to do this plz	[01:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 10 @ 1.9 = 19 BTC [-]	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	um.	[01:12]
mircea_popescu	do you have bitcoin-qt ?	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	yessor	[01:12]
ThickAsThieves	yessir	[01:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.25100001 BTC [-]	[01:12]
kakobrekla	run it :)	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	thats it?	[01:13]
benkay	does multibit function as a node?	[01:13]
kakobrekla	mhm	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	ok	[01:13]
kakobrekla	dunno benkay	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	so how do i get my tx from outside services to go faster	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	like from Weexchange	[01:13]
kakobrekla	eh?	[01:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.25200001 BTC [+]	[01:13]
benkay	ha you can't do that thickasthieves	[01:14]
benkay	you have to be broadcasting your own txns	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves yes unless you're on a shitty connection or something	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	i figured, but needed to ask	[01:14]
benkay	unless you can get them to send the tx to you	[01:14]
kakobrekla	broadcasting is the smaller part of the transactio	[01:14]
mircea_popescu	nah this doesn't work on the otghers. wors on your own	[01:14]
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kakobrekla	but its dying the fastest	[01:14]
kakobrekla	so there will be like 5 nodes	[01:14]
ThickAsThieves	so what can ukto do to expedite his outgoing tx?	[01:14]
kakobrekla	gox, guild, deepbit and another 2	[01:15]
kakobrekla	soon, at this rate.	[01:15]
ThickAsThieves	i stopped running qt cuz it sucks	[01:15]
ThickAsThieves	didnt know i was he;ping the network with it on	[01:15]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	it does suck donkey balls.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	but with people turning it off we;'re already under the red.	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	pretty soon network will crack up completely.	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	fucking devs	[01:16]
jborkl	I am setting up 2 more nodes	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	i'll put nodes on all my mining rigs too	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	jborkl if you have the option, set them up in like mongolia and shit	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	what i mean is, sorta-distant from the main spots	[01:17]
jborkl	I have 15 at least commercial internet connections across many different ip ranges	[01:17]
Ukto	ThickAsThieves: also, weex broadcasts txns to over 500 nodes :)	[01:17]
mircea_popescu	seems atm 90%+ of nodes are on the euro fiberring, on the sf-la line and on the ny-boston line	[01:18]
Ukto	including the major pools	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	Ukto then what's the spiel, no fees ?	[01:18]
jborkl	where I am - there are not any for 200 300 miles	[01:18]
mircea_popescu	great.	[01:18]
Ukto	mircea_popescu: the issue is that none of the pools currently prioritize by tx fee rate	[01:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.25200001 = 0.504 BTC [+]	[01:18]
Ukto	they just have a hard limit on how many txn's can be included per block	[01:19]
Ukto	so when things like sdice are being super popular etc	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	sure they do	[01:19]
Ukto	it creates a backlog of txn processing	[01:19]
thestringpuller	!ticker h him	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.90000000 / 1.9085 / 1.93000000 (16 shares, 30.53600000 BTC), 7D: 1.87000000 / 1.97486053 / 2.08000000 (114 shares, 225.13409996 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.81479725 / 2.08000000 (730 shares, 1324.80199240 BTC)	[01:19]
ThickAsThieves	why wouldnt a pool prioritize by tx fees?	[01:19]
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Ukto	i know 4 major pools that are first come first serve	[01:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 36 @ 0.25200001 = 9.072 BTC [+]	[01:19]
mircea_popescu	well then you know 4 idiots.	[01:19]
Ukto	yes	[01:20]
Ukto	I never said it was smart	[01:20]
Ukto	or with the original bitcoin intentions	[01:20]
Ukto	Luke-Jr even completely blocks sdice txns (last i checked)	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	socialists everywhere	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	ya but we're talking actual pools here.	[01:20]
Ukto	leaving a larger backlog for those to be processed	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	that's not how it works lol.	[01:20]
Ukto	but while he blocks sdice, it allows other txns to get processed at least	[01:20]
Ukto	oh? :)	[01:20]
Ukto	enlighten please	[01:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 16 @ 0.43999999 = 7.04 BTC [+]	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	wlel think. we havr 10k in the backlog.	[01:20]
mircea_popescu	luke does like 1 block a day	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	whether he puts in 500 txs including sdice or excluding s dice	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	it makes no diff, there's always 500 non sdice txns in the pool	[01:21]
Ukto	sure	[01:21]
Ukto	i didnt say he was helping or hurting	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	right. hence no difference	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	sure you did	[01:21]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[01:21]
Ukto	i think him doing it helps non sdice txns get through	[01:21]
Ukto	(when he finds a block)	[01:21]
mircea_popescu	maybe.	[01:21]
Ukto	but causes the delay later for the next pool	[01:21]
Ukto	just pushes it off	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	this boggles my mind	[01:22]
ThickAsThieves	now i see why mp rants so much	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	you know people say that a lot ?	[01:22]
mircea_popescu	after doing some reading etc.	[01:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2799999 BTC [+]	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.28 BTC [+]	[01:22]
Ukto	besides	[01:22]
Ukto	sdice pays higher than default txs	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin is way less cool if its slower than a credit card	[01:23]
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mircea_popescu	the fact is tho, i set mpex to pay 0.001. since then i have measured, and i had next-block inclusion for all payments	[01:23]
Ukto	so for the pools that prioritize based on tx fee, unless you specifically tell your client ot pay a higher tx fee than sdice (whatever it might adjust to) you will not get ahead of them	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	this has been going on for months now.	[01:23]
ThickAsThieves	i am willing to pay	[01:23]
mircea_popescu	as far as i can tell, fee + well connected node -> next block guaranteed.	[01:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.179 = 2.358 BTC [-]	[01:23]
Ukto	ThickAsThieves: bitcoin has always been slower than credit card	[01:23]
thestringpuller	ThickAsThieves: what boggles your mind	[01:24]
Ukto	due to the confirms	[01:24]
Ukto	mircea_popescu: based on what you said, pools would be idiots to not include sorted by fee.	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[01:24]
Ukto	recent sdice txn http://blockchain.info/tx/9463b605150c30faa7b7be495a871ff9d479c7a0281785bdb7cc80a91ddeff93	[01:24]
ThickAsThieves	the shit hanging off of every facet of the dev and tx side of btc boggles my mind	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	well, it's just my experience, but it's been pretty consistent.	[01:24]
Ukto	0.0012 btc is not the default txn fee	[01:24]
Ukto	in clients	[01:24]
Ukto	you have to make sure to pay higher	[01:24]
mircea_popescu	maybe i am loved by pools and they prioritise me otherwise ? (seems improbable)	[01:24]
Ukto	i am basing it off of what you said atm :)	[01:25]
Ukto	it also depends on time of day	[01:25]
Ukto	and how many txns are being added to the network	[01:25]
Ukto	sometimes its fine, othertimse a giant backlog is created	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	as far as i can see the backlog has been 5 to 10k txns for the past... 2 months ?	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	5 ?	[01:25]
ThickAsThieves	first , the client sux, this causes people to not run nodes, then pools dont prioritize by what pays most, then even for those that do, we have services dealing in lots of btc that dont include fees at all	[01:25]
thestringpuller	;;unconfirmed	[01:25]
gribble	Error: "unconfirmed" is not a valid command.	[01:25]
mircea_popescu	granted, most of those being nofee	[01:25]
thestringpuller	what is the command to see current unconfirmed tx	[01:26]
Ukto	so if your saying lower priced tx fees for your transfers are going through before highier pricesed sdice txns, then your thought that pools sort by tx fee is out the window, right?	[01:26]
Ukto	or are you purposefully setting higher tx fees?	[01:26]
mircea_popescu	Ukto i am setting .1, and that s.dice seems to have made it in fast no ?	[01:26]
Ukto	ThickAsThieves: http://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions	[01:26]
Ukto	708 atm	[01:26]
Ukto	711	[01:26]
jborkl	.81 downloads so fast	[01:26]
Ukto	and counting up	[01:26]
Ukto	mostly with sdice	[01:26]
ThickAsThieves	most people work of 6 confs though	[01:27]
jborkl	already one node halfway- 10 minutes	[01:27]
ThickAsThieves	so unconfirmed is just part of the picture	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	Status: Disconnected	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	lol at blockchain	[01:27]
Ukto	when your limiting txns to say 500 when generating a block	[01:27]
Ukto	and esp if you are sorting by fee	[01:27]
Ukto	unless you pay a highre fee than sdice's already higher than default fee	[01:28]
Ukto	you wont be included	[01:28]
Ukto	for at least another 1~2 blocks	[01:28]
ThickAsThieves	i will pay that	[01:28]
ThickAsThieves	easy	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	maybe it's my coinbases being real old ?	[01:28]
jborkl	it is only 1 line in the .conf file to change the fee structure	[01:28]
Ukto	mircea_popescu: no idea. blockchain.info is up to date	[01:28]
ThickAsThieves	if i'm trying to send 20btc quickly, in order to profit 10%, i dont care about paying even a .1btc fee	[01:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 10 @ 0.44 = 4.4 BTC [+]	[01:28]
Ukto	jborkl: yes, but as as service, it's a huge pain to constantly change that one line and restart	[01:29]
Ukto	besides	[01:29]
Ukto	the issue isnt the fee itself	[01:29]
ThickAsThieves	but it is one part	[01:29]
Ukto	as I stated, very few high block pools sort by tx fee	[01:29]
jborkl	I keep mine very low, just because	[01:29]
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ThickAsThieves	may as well solve one part at a time	[01:29]
Ukto	during slow times, i have tested sending tx with a 0.1btc fee	[01:29]
Ukto	and it still took 3 hours	[01:29]
Ukto	same as the 0 fee tx	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	this is so weird.	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	literally never happened to me this.	[01:30]
ThickAsThieves	:/	[01:30]
Ukto	the issue is that bitcoin needs to be able handle larger amounts of txns	[01:30]
Ukto	if ti continues to grow	[01:30]
Ukto	and this is not corrected, then bitcoin will die.	[01:30]
Ukto	this was teh cause of the recent fork	[01:30]
Ukto	pools were told to increase the size of txn announcements	[01:30]
Ukto	so what did some do? set ungodly highly max's	[01:30]
mircea_popescu	there's no such thinfg as ungodly.	[01:31]
Ukto	this conflicted with with a limitation in 0.8	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	1mb is 1mb.	[01:31]
Ukto	which caused a fork	[01:31]
ThickAsThieves	so what can the common user do to help	[01:31]
jborkl	hmm, I wonder if we addnode eachother with a fee structure we like - we will broadcast and get included faster- therefore prioritizing out transactions	[01:31]
jborkl	our	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves post in mpoe's devs are idiots thread lol	[01:31]
Ukto	mircea_popescu: all pools did not set 1mb max txn lists	[01:31]
Ukto	thats what caused the fork	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[01:31]
Ukto	along with a the max set to 0.8	[01:31]
Ukto	the point was to increase the tx load. not limit them	[01:31]
Ukto	thats why there is the big update deadline	[01:32]
thestringpuller	so btc tx wont be free always	[01:32]
Ukto	btw, look at the blockchain unconfirmed list	[01:32]
Ukto	you will see the number dropped from 800+	[01:33]
thestringpuller	at some point you WILL have to pay miner fees to get confirmed?	[01:33]
Ukto	back to 500~600	[01:33]
Ukto	as a block just went out	[01:33]
Ukto	only taking abotu 200~300 txns with it	[01:33]
ThickAsThieves	its cuz i opened qt ;)	[01:33]
Ukto	hehe	[01:33]
Ukto	and if you look at that last block	[01:33]
Ukto	youw ill see they are mostly in order	[01:33]
Ukto	time wise	[01:33]
Ukto	not higher paid fees	[01:33]
Ukto	from recent txns	[01:33]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla what do yo usay to an idea of giving less weight to small bets on bitbet ?	[01:34]
ThickAsThieves	cant they distribute the work better	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	like, under 0.0001 ? you only get 90% of the weight.	[01:34]
ThickAsThieves	like force you to process a tx in order to send one	[01:34]
Ukto	ThickAsThieves: thats another discussion for another day. :)	[01:34]
Ukto	back to coding for me :)	[01:34]
Ukto	but yes, it pisses me off too.	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	Ukto that;'s a good point as to the order, but	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	doesn't that reflect moreover how the miner sorted them ?	[01:34]
mircea_popescu	(not necessarily how they selected them)	[01:35]
Ukto	how the pool sorted them	[01:35]
ThickAsThieves	didnt mean to rage at you directly, but if including fees helps at all, i'd appreciate it	[01:35]
Ukto	not the miner	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	yes is what i meant	[01:35]
Ukto	yes, which goes back to my point	[01:35]
Ukto	that most of the pools are not sorting by txfee	[01:35]
jborkl	you can watch your bitcoind reject tranactions	[01:35]
Ukto	but by age	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	but listen, just because they sorted it thart way in the getwork or w/e	[01:35]
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mircea_popescu	doesn't mean that it actually reflects the selection process	[01:35]
Ukto	well	[01:35]
Ukto	i was just looking at a txn witha higher fee	[01:36]
jborkl	no, t takes them as tit receives them and stomps them	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	if i pick girls by their brasize i will still seat them at the table by height	[01:36]
Ukto	that was en queue	[01:36]
Ukto	and was not included in the block	[01:36]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu you want even more cofulzed ppl ? :)	[01:36]
jborkl	as it	[01:36]
Ukto	so obviously, it wasnt sorted by higher txn fee	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla all this dust ;/	[01:36]
jurov	Ukto, iirc it's not completely FCFS	[01:36]
Ukto	when deciding	[01:36]
Ukto	jurov: depends on teh pool	[01:36]
Ukto	100%	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	do you know the sort of shit that happens when i have to pay out 500 BTC ?	[01:36]
Ukto	each do it their diff ways	[01:36]
jurov	miners have by default some space reserved to no-fee txs	[01:36]
Ukto	mircea_popescu: keep in mind, I host and help with ozcoin :)	[01:36]
kakobrekla	ya well ppl will still bet dust even with 90%	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	i am aware yeh	[01:36]
Ukto	and i work with alot of other pool operators due to hashpower	[01:36]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you think ?	[01:37]
*	Ukto pokes Luke-Jr do you sort by txfee after removing sdice txns?	[01:37]
kakobrekla	i think half wouldnt even notice	[01:37]
mircea_popescu	gah	[01:37]
jurov	and txfee can be changed on the fly, no need to restart	[01:37]
jurov	you didn't knew about bitcoind settxfee?	[01:37]
Ukto	jurov: yes, but not ona per-send unless you do a custom raw tx	[01:37]
Ukto	jurov: sending rpc calls to bitcoind to constantly try to change the txn fee per client send leaves bad things to possibly happen	[01:38]
Ukto	its not like an sql transaction	[01:38]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu i could do it so there is no bet accepted if its not funded by at least N (can come in several txes or w/e)	[01:38]
Ukto	i dont know how many user syou have constatnly withdrawing, but I tend to get a few about the same time every few days	[01:38]
Ukto	usually because something is happening in the world	[01:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.9 = 3.8 BTC [-]	[01:38]
Ukto	but the method for handling this, and letting users throw whatever amoutn they want at a tx fee is coming with the new weex relesae	[01:39]
Ukto	then they can all donate to minors, just to find out it wont help	[01:39]
Ukto	;)	[01:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 9 @ 0.44 = 3.96 BTC [+]	[01:39]
Ukto	"minors" yes, bad joke :)	[01:39]
benkay	:q	[01:40]
benkay	this is not the vim window...	[01:40]
mod6	are you sure?	[01:40]
Ukto	try :q!	[01:40]
benkay	:s,mod6,wangs,g	[01:40]
benkay	:%s,mod6,wangs,g	[01:40]
benkay	yup	[01:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.28099999 = 0.843 BTC [+]	[01:40]
mod6	ha	[01:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.281 = 4.215 BTC [+]	[01:41]
jurov	well, i do have problems with coinbr deposits sitting there for hours	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla meh.	[01:42]
mircea_popescu	we think of this more.	[01:42]
jurov	withdrawals waiting are rare	[01:42]
jurov	cuz i have node running all the time with 90+ connections	[01:42]
ThickAsThieves	btw the withdrawal that triggered me ranting, ended up clearing in 15min...	[01:43]
jurov	plus, adding a fee did help a bit	[01:43]
ThickAsThieves	from weex, 0tx fee	[01:43]
ThickAsThieves	the wait was all for the first conf	[01:44]
ThickAsThieves	then it zoomed	[01:44]
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pgp	it all has to do with nodes	[01:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.281 = 1.405 BTC [+]	[01:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.00301 = 0.0753 BTC [-]	[01:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [-]	[01:47]
pgp	network density	[01:47]
pgp	if you're "well connected" so to speak, you're txn will get picked up quickly, irrespective of fee	[01:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.281 BTC [+]	[01:48]
pgp	nice to see a plus-tick on SDICE	[01:49]
thestringpuller	;;asks 150	[01:50]
gribble	There are currently 11628.06 bitcoins offered at or under 150.0 USD, worth 1718711.96735 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0020 seconds	[01:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[01:51]
gribble	There are currently 31145458 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11787480.3755 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 25.0973 seconds	[01:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.28199999 = 0.564 BTC [+]	[01:51]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 6 @ 0.43999999 = 2.64 BTC [-]	[01:58]
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thestringpuller	!ticker h him	[02:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.90000000 / 1.90755556 / 1.93000000 (18 shares, 34.33600000 BTC), 7D: 1.87000000 / 1.97356983 / 2.08000000 (116 shares, 228.93409996 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.81581095 / 2.08000000 (730 shares, 1325.54199220 BTC)	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.778 BTC [-]	[02:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43999999 = 0.88 BTC [-]	[02:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.282 = 0.564 BTC [+]	[02:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.282 = 1.41 BTC [+]	[02:09]
benkay	if you're well connected, you generally don't have to suffer the same problems that normo's do anyways, pgp ;)	[02:10]
pgp	word	[02:10]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 1 @ 0.0026 BTC [+]	[02:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 510 @ 0.0025 = 1.275 BTC [-]	[02:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 496 @ 0.002011 = 0.9975 BTC [-]	[02:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 8 @ 0.003355 = 0.0268 BTC [+]	[02:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.778 BTC [-]	[02:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 19 @ 0.425 = 8.075 BTC [-]	[02:37]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00070053 = 7.1804 BTC [-]	[02:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6035 @ 0.00070873 = 4.2772 BTC [+]	[02:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3915 @ 0.00071 = 2.7797 BTC [+]	[02:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.282 = 1.692 BTC [+]	[02:53]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1029 BTC [+]	[03:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1029 BTC [+]	[03:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.262 = 0.786 BTC [-]	[03:10]
luke-jr_	Ukto: AFAIK, every pool prioitizes by fee/KB	[03:11]
Diablo-D3	http://i.imgur.com/lPIoVfs.png	[03:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.282 = 1.128 BTC [+]	[03:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2900 @ 0.00286307 = 8.3029 BTC [-]	[03:15]
kakobrekla	is that obama behind the b	[03:15]
Diablo-D3	probably	[03:18]
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mircea_popescu	obama is behind everything	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	everything that is	[03:20]
mircea_popescu	and everthing that will be	[03:20]
thestringpuller	!ticker h him	[03:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.90000000 / 1.90755556 / 1.93000000 (18 shares, 34.33600000 BTC), 7D: 1.87000000 / 1.97494825 / 2.08000000 (114 shares, 225.14409996 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.82103054 / 2.08000000 (720 shares, 1311.14199220 BTC)	[03:28]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.dice	[03:28]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00286307 / 0.00321072 / 0.00333333 (21008 shares, 67.45 BTC), 7D: 0.00286307 / 0.00324298 / 0.00439992 (541587 shares, 1,756.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00286307 / 0.00372327 / 0.006 (1707706 shares, 6,358.26 BTC)	[03:28]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.778 BTC [-]	[03:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 14 @ 0.00303497 = 0.0425 BTC [+]	[03:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.778 = 2.334 BTC [-]	[04:00]
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joeykrim	mircea_popescu, sorry, im around now	[04:04]
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mircea_popescu	hm	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	a, yes!	[04:06]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[04:09]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 141.29339, Best ask: 142.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.70661, Last trade: 142.00000, 24 hour volume: 69571.46909424, 24 hour low: 130.41000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 139.47741	[04:09]
ThickAsThieves	;;goxlag	[04:09]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).	[04:09]
ThickAsThieves	.bait	[04:09]
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thestringpuller	;;ident	[04:14]
gribble	You are not identified.	[04:14]
kakobrekla	there ya go	[04:15]
kakobrekla	it filled	[04:15]
kakobrekla	http://jezus.si:81/render/?title=Mtgox+Lag+-+1+day&vtitle=Seconds&from=-1day&width=500&height=250&until=now&areaMode=none&lineMode=connected&target=alias%28bitcoin.mtgox.lag%2C%22Mtgox_lag%22%29	[04:15]
Diablo-D3	OFF TO SEE THE WIZARD, THE WONDERFUL WIZARD OF CHACHUNG	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	http://jezus.si:81/render/?title=Mtgox+Lag+-+1+week&vtitle=Seconds&from=-1week&width=500&height=250&until=now&areaMode=none&lineMode=connected&target=alias%28bitcoin.mtgox.lag%2C%22Mtgox_lag%22%29&1365210931374	[04:16]
kakobrekla	http://jezus.si/graf/dashboards/bitcoin/details/lag/	[04:16]
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thestringpuller	gribble goes down too much	[04:20]
copumpkin	it's a netsplit	[04:24]
thestringpuller	This is glorious!	[04:24]
copumpkin	it gets confused :)	[04:24]
thestringpuller	;;gribble	[04:24]
thestringpuller	ugh	[04:24]
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thestringpuller	!ticker m ^OIX	[04:29]
assbot	[MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 93.3570601 / 108.2470225 / 135.80742037 (19613 shares, 8,037.73 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC)	[04:29]
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Uglux	Plan Ƀ, sounds good	[04:41]
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Uglux	nice	[04:43]
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deadweasel	awesome grapfs, much appreciated	[04:44]
deadweasel	graphs*	[04:45]
pigeons	graff my maffs and stuffs	[04:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2645 BTC [-]	[04:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.264 = 6.6 BTC [-]	[04:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.2636 = 7.908 BTC [-]	[04:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.26301 = 2.1041 BTC [-]	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.2621 = 1.0484 BTC [-]	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.2601 = 2.3409 BTC [-]	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2600002 BTC [-]	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.26000001 BTC [-]	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.25200001 = 0.504 BTC [-]	[04:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.251 = 3.765 BTC [-]	[04:46]
pigeons	ill take next month's dividend for 0025	[04:46]
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deadweasel	2.51. people are shortsighted	[04:47]
deadweasel	dammit, one handed typing.	[04:47]
thestringpuller	lol	[04:47]
deadweasel	busted wrst, not whackin it you pervs	[04:47]
thestringpuller	;;seen smickles	[04:47]
deadweasel	sitlol	[04:47]
thestringpuller	nvm	[04:47]
deadweasel	*sit	[04:48]
deadweasel	shit!	[04:48]
kakobrekla	hm, for march, bbet is over half of sdice per share	[04:48]
deadweasel	bbet rocks.	[04:48]
kakobrekla	we are over half of march div right now for april if i see this correctly	[04:50]
kakobrekla	and its what, 6 days	[04:50]
kakobrekla	o well.	[04:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3067 BTC [+]	[04:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3067 BTC [+]	[04:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 325 @ 0.00303497 = 0.9864 BTC [+]	[04:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.30679999 = 0.6136 BTC [+]	[04:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3067 BTC [-]	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	scam.	[04:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 7 @ 0.439 = 3.073 BTC [+]	[04:56]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.004 = 0.4 BTC [-]	[05:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 158 @ 0.0039 = 0.6162 BTC [-]	[05:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 3000 @ 0.00385 = 11.55 BTC [-]	[05:02]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 250 @ 0.0038 = 0.95 BTC [-]	[05:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 204 @ 0.0037 = 0.7548 BTC [-]	[05:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.306788 BTC [+]	[05:03]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3800 @ 0.00303497 = 11.5329 BTC [+]	[05:04]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 61 @ 0.00303497 = 0.1851 BTC [+]	[05:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.777 BTC [-]	[05:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.778 BTC [+]	[05:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.306788 BTC [+]	[05:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [-]	[05:16]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 6 @ 0.39 = 2.34 BTC [+]	[05:18]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.30688 = 3.0688 BTC [+]	[05:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 109 @ 0.01 = 1.09 BTC [+]	[05:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]	[05:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 23 @ 0.778 = 17.894 BTC [+]	[05:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.779 = 3.116 BTC [+]	[05:30]
bitesak	;;ticker	[05:31]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 141.00001, Best ask: 141.89999, Bid-ask spread: 0.89998, Last trade: 141.00001, 24 hour volume: 68994.82037063, 24 hour low: 131.12000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 139.64835	[05:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 85 @ 0.0028 = 0.238 BTC [-]	[05:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 300 @ 0.0026 = 0.78 BTC [-]	[05:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 20 @ 0.0021 = 0.042 BTC [-]	[05:37]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 850 @ 0.002 = 1.7 BTC [-]	[05:46]
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thestringpuller	mr. voorhees has arrived	[05:57]
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thestringpuller	now he announces some news and the s.dice price adjust accordingly	[05:57]
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kakobrekla	alt chains are kinda collapsing	[05:59]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.003354 = 0.0503 BTC [-]	[06:04]
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mircea_popescu	a well	[06:06]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 580 @ 0.00191 = 1.1078 BTC [-]	[06:12]
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bgupta	THere is a reason they say "the gold standard" and not the "silver" "nickel" "copper" or "tin" standard.	[06:33]
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mircea_popescu	you know what a standard is ?	[06:36]
mircea_popescu	a nm, i mistook that for a question	[06:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00439 BTC [+]	[06:39]
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dub	ppcoin is doing pretty well	[07:02]
dub	04/06/13 02:14:07 5100.00000000 0.00510000 26.01000000	[07:02]
dub	^ my last trade	[07:03]
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mircea_popescu	is that in usd ?	[07:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.899 = 3.798 BTC [-]	[07:03]
dub	btc	[07:04]
mircea_popescu	wow.	[07:04]
dub	5100 ppc @.005 btc	[07:04]
toffoo	I bought my first ones two days ago,	[07:12]
toffoo	"always better to be lucky than smart" i say	[07:13]
dub	I mined 40k in the first 12 hours	[07:13]
toffoo	yup seems like these might be the next thing to gain some traction,	[07:13]
dub	cost $10 in power oslt	[07:13]
toffoo	BTC-e started trading now like a few hours ago	[07:13]
dub	this is why we mine all the chains	[07:14]
toffoo	what did you use to mine them?	[07:14]
dub	couple gh of gpu	[07:14]
toffoo	can cgminer do ppcoin /w gpu?	[07:14]
dub	yeah its not different to btc	[07:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 117 @ 0.01 = 1.17 BTC [+]	[07:15]
toffoo	cool thnx .. I may give that a try, with my .. nVidia	[07:15]
toffoo	so in theory someone could hook up an Avalon and mine the crap outta these ppcoins	[07:19]
dub	yes	[07:19]
toffoo	hmm..maybe a bit early to be buying in then	[07:20]
dub	though it doesnt work with stratum yet	[07:20]
dub	yeah would be a bit dumb not to	[07:20]
dub	tbh	[07:20]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 1300 @ 0.62136625 = 807.7761 BTC [-]	[07:25]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 3000 @ 0.62136625 = 1864.0988 BTC [-]	[07:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.P200T] 400 @ 0.62136625 = 248.5465 BTC [-]	[07:40]
copumpkin	that's a lot of puts at 200	[07:44]
jcpham	woohoo	[07:44]
jcpham	i welcome our new overlords	[07:45]
copumpkin	someone going short	[07:45]
copumpkin	people bitching about not being able to short	[07:46]
dub	allex	[07:46]
dub	oops	[07:46]
jcpham	my IT department told me not to touch the bitcoins	[07:46]
copumpkin	why not	[07:47]
jcpham	you must not be watching the tv news	[07:47]
jcpham	about the bitcoin	[07:47]
copumpkin	I don't have a TV	[07:48]
jcpham	on the boat?	[07:48]
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copumpkin	anywhere	[07:51]
copumpkin	well, I lent my TV to a friend several years ago because I never watched it	[07:51]
copumpkin	so I technically own one I guess	[07:51]
jcpham	sorry i'm commenting on stupid bitcoin press	[07:52]
jcpham	some guy said something cnbc the other day about his it department wouldn't go near bitcoin	[07:52]
jcpham	"he asked them"	[07:52]
copumpkin	why would they need to?	[07:53]
copumpkin	I could see compliance departments having a problem with it, in some cases	[07:53]
copumpkin	but most companies don't even have that	[07:53]
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jcpham	you need to see the videa and see how he says it	[08:01]
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jcpham	like a complete moron	[08:01]
jcpham	http://youtu.be/y1POVoi9NPk?t=4m48s	[08:04]
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jcpham	the money shot so to speak	[08:04]
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locksley	mircea_popescu: is the registration fee for mpex.co still 30BTC? ...given the recent surge in BTC/USD prices	[08:08]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.00439 = 0.0176 BTC [+]	[08:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 4 @ 0.0044 = 0.0176 BTC [+]	[08:18]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769 BTC [-]	[08:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7686 BTC [-]	[08:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.7685 = 3.074 BTC [-]	[08:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.P140T] 5 @ 0.28572235 = 1.4286 BTC [-]	[08:39]
ChaangNoi	lol at all the alt coins trading on btc-e for crazy prices...	[08:41]
ChaangNoi	ppc and trc, nuts	[08:41]
assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.P095T] 10 @ 0.06811293 = 0.6811 BTC	[08:43]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.1722 = 0.861 BTC [-]	[08:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7789 BTC [+]	[08:59]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7733 @ 0.000714 = 5.5214 BTC [+]	[09:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.29999 = 2.9999 BTC [-]	[09:28]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1001 = 0.2002 BTC [-]	[09:37]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 50 @ 0.003354 = 0.1677 BTC [-]	[09:51]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7686 BTC [-]	[09:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7685 = 3.8425 BTC [-]	[09:59]
taub	is mtgox losing volume already?	[10:03]
taub	btce and btc24 having lots of trades in the feed compared to mtgox	[10:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.28210001 BTC [-]	[10:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.28200001 BTC [-]	[10:27]
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Bowjob	mp u here?	[10:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.095 = 1.9 BTC [-]	[10:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 6 @ 0.1001 = 0.6006 BTC [+]	[10:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1 = 0.2 BTC [-]	[10:31]
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Bowjob	that was some nice viet food	[10:47]
Bowjob	nomnom	[10:47]
Bowjob	damn i love vancouver. diverse food	[10:48]
bitesak	;;ticker	[10:56]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 142.00000, Best ask: 142.24998, Bid-ask spread: 0.24998, Last trade: 142.50000, 24 hour volume: 61098.98505712, 24 hour low: 135.12000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 140.58777	[10:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.304 BTC [+]	[11:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.305 = 0.915 BTC [+]	[11:24]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.305 BTC [+]	[11:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.3055 = 0.9165 BTC [+]	[11:26]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3055 BTC [+]	[11:30]
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mircea_popescu	guy comes on irc, asks question, leaves in 4 minutes.	[11:36]
mircea_popescu	noobs today...	[11:36]
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toffoo	mircea_popescu have you or your minions investigated at all "Bitcoin Rain" ?	[11:47]
toffoo	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=168616.0	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	toffoo superficially.	[11:50]
toffoo	seems like this Leandro guy was like the combined zhoutong + pirateat40 of Brazil,	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[11:50]
toffoo	and apparently getting away with it,	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[11:51]
toffoo	because the Brazilians are like begging for him back	[11:51]
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toffoo	the situation probably hasn't gotten the attention it deserves because of the portuguese factor,	[11:52]
toffoo	but smells like he should earn a prominent position on your scam list sometime soon	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	toffoo well, as far as i'm concerned :	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	the brazillians haven't bothered to join #bitcoin-assets.	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	what do i care about them ?	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	certainly will make it on the list volume 2, fwtw.	[11:55]
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mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[11:57]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 141.62001, Best ask: 142.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37999, Last trade: 142.00000, 24 hour volume: 59239.00956523, 24 hour low: 135.12000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 140.65500	[11:57]
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jurov	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1brszi/bitcoin_is_a_concordia_currency/	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	lmao okay.	[12:03]
jurov	i'm inclined to call it "discordia currency tho	[12:03]
mircea_popescu	the recipe for a reddit post :	[12:03]
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mircea_popescu	Title : {A fear} + {An assumption} = {An inconsistent definition}	[12:04]
mircea_popescu	Body : {Misreference} {Misinterpretation of fact} {Misquote} {Personal Bias} {Daydreaming} {Cat pic}	[12:05]
jurov	oook. this was just an innocent proposal, tho	[12:06]
mircea_popescu	im in supercharged hate mode.	[12:08]
jurov	oh, what happened?	[12:08]
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mircea_popescu	nothing lol. i just get these.	[12:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.43 = 0.86 BTC [-]	[12:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.406 = 0.812 BTC [-]	[12:11]
jurov	=)	[12:14]
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jurov	Anyone working in the press is a professional and intellectual failure. << yup, this begins well	[12:34]
jurov	(latest trilema article)	[12:34]
mircea_popescu	:p	[12:36]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15789 BTC [+]	[13:05]
jurov	;;bc,stats	[13:07]
gribble	Current Blocks: 229941 \| Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 \| Next Difficulty In: 1898 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 4 minutes, and 21 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 9247456.62683 \| Estimated Percent Change: 20.51944	[13:07]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.179 = 2.358 BTC [-]	[13:13]
prof7bit	bitbet could need a help page. there is no explanation how it works, what the numbers mean, what the small graph below each bet means, how to calculate my possible win, etc.	[13:14]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.18 = 2.36 BTC [+]	[13:14]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 15 @ 0.00329 = 0.0494 BTC [-]	[13:16]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00329 = 0.0099 BTC [-]	[13:17]
prof7bit	does anybody here know how it works?	[13:17]
prof7bit	or will this remain a secret	[13:17]
jurov	prof7bit: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=145819.0	[13:18]
prof7bit	why is the "faq" link white text on white background? No wonder I couldn't find it.	[13:20]
jurov	in ff it shows fine on black background	[13:21]
jurov	prolly tell kakobrekla to fix	[13:21]
prof7bit	i'm using a webkit based browser	[13:21]
jurov	ahh ic now. in konqueror+webkit the FAQ gets flushed down, onto white background	[13:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 1 @ 0.000656 BTC [+]	[13:23]
mircea_popescu	prof7bit it does have a faq neh ?	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	oh	[13:30]
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prof7bit	this calculation method is very intransparent and convoluted, why not choose a simpler and more intuitive calculation?	[13:40]
jurov	what is intransparent and convoluted?	[13:41]
jurov	for me it feels right. just have to remind myself to always check the weight	[13:42]
jurov	if it's too low, abstain form betting	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	prof7bit because this one happens to be fair.	[13:43]
prof7bit	how is the weight calculated, why does this factor even exist, why not just calculate the ratio of total winning side / total losing side?	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	not all bets have weight.	[13:44]
mircea_popescu	but those that do have it to reflect the fact that it's more risk to claim a girl is pregnant in her first week than in her last.	[13:44]
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jurov	weight goes down linearly in time	[13:45]
prof7bit	what is the maximum weight and when is it consdered "low", why not ue a percenage instead of 8 digit numbers	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	Current weight:	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	67`186 ( from 100`000 to 1 )	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	do you specifically feel the need to ask that question ?!	[13:47]
dub	Matthew N. Wright	[13:50]
dub	Untrustworthy	[13:50]
dub	what the fuck	[13:50]
Diablo-D3	failpaste?	[13:51]
dub	why no scammer tag?	[13:51]
Diablo-D3	he used to have one	[13:51]
anarchy5	support levels are becoming huge	[13:52]
anarchy5	above 100 its crazy	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	what's so crazy about it ?	[13:53]
dub	;;bids 0	[13:53]
gribble	There are currently 31145510 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12066597.028 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0097 seconds	[13:53]
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bitesak	;;bids 100	[13:57]
gribble	There are currently 51815.043 bitcoins demanded at or over 100.0 USD, worth 6262852.41742 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0059 seconds	[13:57]
bitesak	there is 500K more in bids than yesterday for ;;bids 0	[13:58]
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ChaangNoi	hi all	[14:38]
deadweasel	hi ChaangNoi	[14:38]
ChaangNoi	;;bids 0	[14:38]
gribble	There are currently 31144153 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12025871.6491 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0100 seconds	[14:38]
deadweasel	:D 12 mil	[14:38]
ChaangNoi	seems shockingly quite in here, wanted to makesure it still worked:)	[14:38]
ChaangNoi	12 million bids, thats is nice to see	[14:40]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 169 @ 0.2 = 33.8 BTC [+]	[15:07]
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error4733	!ticker m s.dice	[15:10]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00286307 / 0.00315869 / 0.00333333 (21469 shares, 67.81 BTC), 7D: 0.00286307 / 0.00324138 / 0.00439992 (545787 shares, 1,769.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00286307 / 0.00365017 / 0.006 (1621037 shares, 5,917.07 BTC)	[15:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 100 @ 0.00447 = 0.447 BTC [+]	[15:11]
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hanbot	morning	[15:13]
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ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[15:22]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 141.71054, Best ask: 141.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.18946, Last trade: 141.71052, 24 hour volume: 54153.97471258, 24 hour low: 135.12000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 141.09054	[15:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.17399 BTC [+]	[15:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 5 @ 0.174 = 0.87 BTC [+]	[15:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 7 @ 0.00329 = 0.023 BTC [-]	[15:37]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 9 @ 0.01301 = 0.1171 BTC [+]	[15:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.013 BTC [-]	[15:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.012 = 0.12 BTC [-]	[15:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.003353 BTC [+]	[15:41]
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kakobrekla	mornin, whats new	[15:54]
bowjob	the rape adria richards contest should be over now	[16:05]
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bowjob	ltc dropping like a bitch	[16:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00244 BTC [+]	[16:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00245 BTC [+]	[16:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.0025 BTC [+]	[16:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00071399 = 0.9282 BTC [-]	[16:33]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8650 @ 0.000714 = 6.1761 BTC [+]	[16:33]
jurov	Still no love for s.dice, what happened?	[16:38]
jurov	people who did after-dividend shopping prolly left...	[16:39]
ThickAsThieves	$avg	[16:40]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: 140.67	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[16:40]
gribble	There are currently 31749042 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11902783.3381 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0101 seconds	[16:40]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 149.94	[16:41]
gribble	There are currently 10941.045 bitcoins offered at or under 149.94 USD, worth 1604809.16098 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 13.5561 seconds	[16:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.7685 = 4.611 BTC [-]	[16:43]
error4733	;;asks 198	[16:44]
gribble	There are currently 29384.845 bitcoins offered at or under 198.0 USD, worth 4757177.58812 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 0.0027 seconds	[16:44]
error4733	;;bids 98	[16:44]
gribble	There are currently 51818.679 bitcoins demanded at or over 98.0 USD, worth 6227000.30109 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 45.8592 seconds	[16:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00070759 = 2.1228 BTC [-]	[16:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.261 = 2.349 BTC [-]	[16:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.003353 BTC [+]	[16:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.2605 BTC [-]	[16:47]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.2601 = 7.803 BTC [-]	[16:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00301 = 0.0903 BTC [-]	[16:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 25 @ 0.003 = 0.075 BTC [-]	[16:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.00292 = 0.0321 BTC [-]	[16:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.00291 = 0.0146 BTC [-]	[16:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 11 @ 0.0029 = 0.0319 BTC [-]	[16:50]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.26001 = 5.2002 BTC [-]	[16:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.2600001 = 0.52 BTC [-]	[16:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.25231 = 2.2708 BTC [-]	[16:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 57 @ 0.00274 = 0.1562 BTC [-]	[16:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.00273 = 0.0082 BTC [-]	[16:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.00271 = 0.0054 BTC [-]	[16:56]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.00268 BTC [-]	[16:56]
ThickAsThieves	sdice dying	[16:56]
DeaDTerra	I am willing to buy S.DICE if anyone wants to well cheap? ;)	[16:57]
kakobrekla	just buy bbet	[16:57]
pigeons	no one wants dividends?	[16:57]
ThickAsThieves	ltc dying too	[16:58]
pigeons	shocking	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[16:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [-]	[16:58]
kakobrekla	well nothing is forever so anything that is alive is dying all the time	[16:59]
kakobrekla	at least in the process of	[16:59]
kakobrekla	now sell ur btc.	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	speak for yourself	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	i'm only getting stronger	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	mwooo hahahaha	[16:59]
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kakobrekla	its not mwo, its nwo you silly	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	;;seen namworld	[17:01]
gribble	namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 14 hours, 6 minutes, and 55 seconds ago: lag on the rise... and almost no trading...	[17:01]
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KRS1	its just going down, it will come back up	[17:05]
DeaDTerra	People do not seem to understand probability and statistics	[17:05]
DeaDTerra	S.DICE are having a really bad month in terms of luck but not that bad month in terms of volume	[17:05]
DeaDTerra	if the volume would be super bad you might be able to justify selling but selling because S.DICE is unlucky and hence had a bad dividend is just a poor decision	[17:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7601 BTC [-]	[17:06]
ThickAsThieves	i'll gladly buy at these prices	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	my .0037 offer doesnt look so bad now though DT ;)	[17:09]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.265 = 7.95 BTC [+]	[17:09]
DeaDTerra	eh I am happy to keep the shares ;)	[17:10]
DeaDTerra	I got a nice dividend and I can just wait until S.DICE has good luck again	[17:10]
error4733	they sold because of elasticity of s.dice price vs BTC	[17:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 18 @ 0.265 = 4.77 BTC [+]	[17:11]
error4733	btc perf a hugeeee x11 since jan	[17:12]
DeaDTerra	Ofc	[17:12]
DeaDTerra	but S.DICE is quite resiliant to the BTC price increase	[17:12]
DeaDTerra	the volume has not dropped by 11 times	[17:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.265 = 5.3 BTC [+]	[17:12]
DeaDTerra	which suggest that it's still a good investment if you believe in a long term increase in the BTC price	[17:12]
error4733	beacause ppl play like its 20$ again	[17:13]
error4733	need time to switch to 140$	[17:13]
ThickAsThieves	plus sdice, AM, and bitbet are like the only decent Btc assets	[17:13]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.265 BTC [+]	[17:13]
error4733	+1 for AM	[17:13]
DeaDTerra	WTS G.MPOE,G.BBET,BTCQuick, G.ASICMINER-PT, WTB G.SDICE pm me with offers :)	[17:14]
DeaDTerra	It's funny how half a year ago people in this channel lauged at me and called me a scammer for helping AM IPO :)	[17:14]
DeaDTerra	looks like I got the last laugh	[17:14]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[17:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.265 = 1.325 BTC [+]	[17:14]
error4733	time will say, i kept some S.dice 4 glory but if every morning i'm happy with btc rally but i'm cry when i look to S.dice it's not good	[17:15]
jurov	error4733 in 2 weeks maybe you'll cry you sold it,dunno	[17:16]
error4733	i miss the AM boat, shame	[17:16]
DeaDTerra	Well, I for one think that S.DICE is a good investment as the volume doesn't follow the BTC price perfectly but it does it well enough to protect okay against a BTC price fall but not good enough to totally crash when the BTC price spikes.	[17:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00249 BTC [-]	[17:16]
DeaDTerra	I had 1000 shares, I sold them for 0.126...	[17:16]
DeaDTerra	kind of regret that now	[17:16]
jurov	Anyway it's not a good practice to check portfolio every day.	[17:16]
DeaDTerra	The only once that profit from active trading (in long term) is your broker/exchange	[17:17]
kakobrekla	DeaDTerra they still do, and for dealing with AA, usagi etc too	[17:17]
error4733	agree, but big mistake as a news noob i put 80% of my btc in S.dice	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.265 = 7.155 BTC [+]	[17:17]
DeaDTerra	Which still do?	[17:17]
DeaDTerra	think I am a scammer?	[17:18]
kakobrekla	16:14.50 ( DeaDTerra ) It's funny how half a year ago people in this channel lauged at me and called me a scammer for helping AM IPO :)	[17:18]
DeaDTerra	ah yea	[17:18]
DeaDTerra	well fuck the haters :)	[17:18]
DeaDTerra	If you try to promote things some will turn out bad some will turn out well	[17:18]
kakobrekla	lol	[17:18]
DeaDTerra	I am not saying I have a perfect record, but I am not a scammer	[17:18]
pigeons	--richard nixon	[17:19]
DeaDTerra	you learn from your mistakes :P	[17:19]
kakobrekla	i do, dunno if you did	[17:19]
kakobrekla	;)	[17:19]
DeaDTerra	I did :)	[17:19]
DeaDTerra	I have learnt that trusting people in the bitcoin forum is naive and doesn't work out	[17:20]
jurov	So, i succeeded to register at havelock and snatch some sdice...but i don't see function to transfer to mpex...	[17:20]
jurov	It's suspicious.	[17:20]
kakobrekla	i think thats 10btc a tx	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	you gotta pay topace	[17:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]	[17:20]
ThickAsThieves	is it really 10btc?	[17:20]
kakobrekla	i think jurov just self smarted himlsef	[17:21]
ThickAsThieves	that must be an outdated price	[17:21]
kakobrekla	perhaps	[17:21]
kakobrekla	was 10 when i last looked at it	[17:21]
pigeons	yep	[17:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 300 @ 0.00070759 = 0.2123 BTC [-]	[17:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4375 BTC [+]	[17:21]
jurov	Okay. So I'll transfer your sdice from havelock to mpex for 0.1btc only.	[17:21]
kakobrekla	self smart; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3SIXtLaAY	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	how would you do that without topace?	[17:22]
jurov	Ofc, must research if if allows transfer between users.	[17:22]
ThickAsThieves	i dont think he has that feature	[17:23]
pigeons	that sounds good jurov, i'll get in touch later probably	[17:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.265 = 1.325 BTC [+]	[17:24]
ThickAsThieves	Namworld's SDICE is its own lil market	[17:25]
DeaDTerra	That logic... If I know more things my brain will use more oxygen and hence there's a bigger change I will die from a heart attack?	[17:25]
kakobrekla	perhaps thats why hes doing the show from jail	[17:25]
jurov	kakobrekla: who?	[17:26]
kakobrekla	16:22.37 ( kakobrekla ) self smart; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj3SIXtLaAY	[17:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.265 = 3.975 BTC [+]	[17:26]
kakobrekla	brb	[17:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00271 = 0.0813 BTC [+]	[17:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.265 = 0.795 BTC [+]	[17:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BITVPS] 1 @ 0.00249 BTC [-]	[17:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.253 = 2.024 BTC [-]	[17:33]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769 BTC [+]	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.2523 = 0.7569 BTC [-]	[17:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.778 BTC [+]	[17:34]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.253 = 1.012 BTC [+]	[17:37]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00276111 = 1.1044 BTC [-]	[17:38]
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ThickAsThieves	;;bids 0	[17:50]
gribble	There are currently 31748275 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11855944.8587 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 76.1617 seconds	[17:50]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[17:51]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 142.11000, Best ask: 142.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.49000, Last trade: 142.98000, 24 hour volume: 50668.79562235, 24 hour low: 136.00000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 141.56102	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	;;bids 135	[17:51]
gribble	There are currently 11439.837 bitcoins demanded at or over 135.0 USD, worth 1571682.99787 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 99.8146 seconds	[17:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.779 = 2.337 BTC [+]	[17:51]
ThickAsThieves	;;asks 148.9	[17:51]
gribble	There are currently 7253.3583 bitcoins offered at or under 148.9 USD, worth 1056222.62948 USD in total. \| Data vintage: 119.2631 seconds	[17:51]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00995 BTC [-]	[18:01]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1035 = 0.207 BTC [+]	[18:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 35 @ 0.1039 = 3.6365 BTC [+]	[18:27]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4375 BTC [+]	[18:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.104 BTC [+]	[18:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 11 @ 0.105999 = 1.166 BTC [+]	[18:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.105999 BTC [+]	[18:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7788 BTC [-]	[18:28]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C119T] 5 @ 0.27839364 = 1.392 BTC [+]	[18:30]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]	[18:33]
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assbot	[MPEX] [O.USD.C122T] 5 @ 0.28150864 = 1.4075 BTC [+]	[18:44]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7788 BTC [-]	[18:50]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.779 BTC [+]	[19:16]
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bitessak	;;ticker	[19:18]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 143.20300, Best ask: 143.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04700, Last trade: 143.25000, 24 hour volume: 47264.29232165, 24 hour low: 138.02000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 142.02168	[19:18]
bitessak	;;goxlag	[19:21]
gribble	MtGox lag is 0 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ... nowhere, really (0 AU).	[19:21]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00070759 = 1.5213 BTC [-]	[19:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.9 BTC [+]	[19:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.44 = 0.88 BTC [+]	[19:31]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7799 = 1.5598 BTC [+]	[19:39]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0032 = 3.2 BTC [+]	[19:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 2 @ 0.000655 = 0.0013 BTC [-]	[19:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 11 @ 0.000601 = 0.0066 BTC [-]	[19:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0037 BTC [-]	[19:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 2022 @ 0.003333 = 6.7393 BTC [+]	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.002755 BTC [+]	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1 @ 0.0027 BTC [-]	[19:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 5 @ 0.0027 = 0.0135 BTC [-]	[19:51]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 29 @ 0.0037 = 0.1073 BTC [-]	[19:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 10 @ 0.0037 = 0.037 BTC [-]	[19:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.003601 = 0.0072 BTC [-]	[19:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00357 BTC [-]	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	;;ticker	[19:54]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 143.11968, Best ask: 143.20000, Bid-ask spread: 0.08032, Last trade: 143.20000, 24 hour volume: 43220.78928430, 24 hour low: 139.00000, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 142.25566	[19:54]
deadweasel	quiet weekend thankfully.	[19:56]
deadweasel	http://www.superfluosopher.com/digital-world/the-internet-needs-idiots	[19:57]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.7799 = 2.3397 BTC [+]	[20:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7799 = 3.8995 BTC [+]	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel innit nice.	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	!ticker m s.dice	[20:09]
assbot	[MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00276111 / 0.00311367 / 0.0033333 (17066 shares, 53.14 BTC), 7D: 0.00276111 / 0.00323887 / 0.00439992 (547459 shares, 1,773.15 BTC), 30D: 0.00276111 / 0.00364928 / 0.006 (1624459 shares, 5,928.11 BTC)	[20:09]
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Namworld	Hmm, I'm surprised about those stats. There's no source included for them sadly.	[20:15]
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mircea_popescu	well.. he is fluoridated.	[20:26]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00070085 = 0.4906 BTC [-]	[20:27]
deadweasel	i know, at least they get us high for free.	[20:28]
deadweasel	8 glasses a day	[20:28]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 22 @ 0.7715 = 16.973 BTC [-]	[20:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7711 BTC [-]	[20:49]
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TomServo	;;totalbc	[21:30]
gribble	10999975.0	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	next block.	[21:30]
TomServo	odd, blockexplorer already shows 11mn	[21:31]
kakobrekla	>. I have no qualms about what EskimoBob did so long as he pays for it, one way or another. And a 10% return in a little over a month is fine with me. I've evaluated his business plan and I rather like the little setup he has going. It works like this. Either he makes me rich, or he turns out to be a scammer and I get the last laugh. I could care less either way.	[21:34]
kakobrekla	omg this is rich	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	wait what?	[21:34]
kakobrekla	also this >EskimoBob is receiving regular scheduled distributions on his investment along with all my other former shareholders. Further, I own some shares of ART. In short, EskimoBob works for me now, Augustocroppo, and in my books that's the way it should be.	[21:35]
kakobrekla	quote from usagi	[21:35]
kakobrekla	both	[21:35]
kakobrekla	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=130947.msg1757328#msg1757328	[21:35]
kakobrekla	lol	[21:35]
kakobrekla	i dont even....	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:36]
mircea_popescu	well so good for them then	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	BTC has gone from $10 to $100, and ART lost 98.41% of it's investor's money. To point out the obvious, the expected loss was 90%, not 98.41%. Losing that extra 8.41% is much, much larger than it seems. Because accounting for the fluctuation in currency prices, ART went on to lose 84.1% of it's value.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	Please explain how you lost 84.1% of your investor's money, or (at current exchange prices) over $60,000.	[21:37]
mircea_popescu	this is pretty good	[21:37]
kakobrekla	yup	[21:37]
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thestringpuller	I'm about to hire Yakuza to collect my coin from Usagi	[21:39]
thestringpuller	"But that is water under the bridge now. EskimoBob is receiving regular scheduled distributions on his investment along with all my other former shareholders." <- is a lie	[21:40]
jurov	i think hiring psy would be sufficient	[21:40]
thestringpuller	the payments were not regular and have ceased without any warning or explanation except when probed	[21:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.26 = 0.78 BTC [+]	[21:40]
jurov	..er..that's korea. nvm.	[21:40]
thestringpuller	I'm so glad you guys ran him out of business.	[21:42]
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mircea_popescu	the payments were not regular and have ceased without any warning or explanation except when probed << sorta like tradehill ?	[21:42]
kakobrekla	no that was the old company you silly!	[21:43]
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thestringpuller	the tradehill people vanished	[21:49]
thestringpuller	but usagi is still trying to "make a name for himself"	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	no they didn't vanish, bitcoin scamdation people are trying to push kenna's new scam	[21:49]
mircea_popescu	well, were. i think they got scared off meanwhile.	[21:49]
kakobrekla	why do you think so?	[21:51]
kakobrekla	the scared off part	[21:51]
KRS1	there will be a gox announcement about alternative currencies next week?	[21:52]
jurov	maybe they clearly think their multicurrency multiorder book isn't laggy enough	[21:56]
jurov	;;goxlag	[21:56]
gribble	MtGox lag is 1.2938 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00259276071389 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Earth to Moon (0.00257 AU).	[21:56]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla because they seem to have abandoned the promotion effort.	[21:56]
kakobrekla	hmm	[21:57]
mircea_popescu	KRS1 i'll bet you there won't be.	[21:57]
kakobrekla	or they are just plain incompetent	[21:57]
kakobrekla	its gonna be all over once i manage to slam btc/usd in mt4 anyway.	[21:57]
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jurov	really, i wouldn't put it past them trying to solve their problems	[22:00]
jurov	by throwing in another virtual currency on bitcoin side	[22:01]
jurov	like euro/jpy is on usd side	[22:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.26 = 0.78 BTC [+]	[22:01]
jurov	thereby their monstrous order book code achieving sentience	[22:02]
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jurov	then we're lost. unless we can release mpex code to slay it.	[22:04]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla do that already	[22:05]
kakobrekla	is not easy.	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, i just signed off on some juicy foruming	[22:05]
mircea_popescu	link you as soon as it's there, i think you'll appreciate.	[22:06]
thestringpuller	MPOE-PR is on the offensive?	[22:10]
thestringpuller	^- @ mircea_popescu	[22:10]
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thestringpuller	;;seen smickles	[22:12]
gribble	smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 days, 3 hours, 29 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: a bitcoin atm could be the easiest way to send money to a friend, each of you just goes to an atm	[22:12]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00427 BTC [+]	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=166578.msg1758253#msg1758253	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	there we go.	[22:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.00428 = 0.0086 BTC [+]	[22:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 204 @ 0.0032 = 0.6528 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 2 @ 0.004 = 0.008 BTC [-]	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00321 = 3.21 BTC [+]	[22:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.00343 BTC [-]	[22:17]
guruvan	http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/NMCUSD/money/ticker http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/LTCUSD/money/ticker http://data.mtgox.com/api/2/PPCUSD/money/ticker	[22:17]
guruvan	looks like they will add NMC & LTC	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 3434 @ 0.003333 = 11.4455 BTC [+]	[22:18]
thestringpuller	ehh	[22:22]
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thestringpuller	berating a core Bitcoin dev....	[22:22]
bowjob	hey mp	[22:22]
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mircea_popescu	hey bj	[22:25]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller mpoe delivers.	[22:25]
thestringpuller	so Garzik is a glitzdev now?	[22:26]
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thestringpuller	also I really like this quote: "Nobody respects actors. Nobody. Everybody respects producers. Everybody. Including the actors. Starting with the actors." since being on set I have found this to be incredibly true.	[22:26]
thestringpuller	Without the producers, there is not industry.	[22:26]
thestringpuller	no*	[22:26]
mircea_popescu	yeah.	[22:28]
thestringpuller	I'm moving to romania, that's where all the cool people live.	[22:29]
thestringpuller	jkjk	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	i only take girls, so.	[22:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 15 @ 0.00992 = 0.1488 BTC [-]	[22:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 11 @ 0.009911 = 0.109 BTC [-]	[22:30]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 100 @ 0.15271 = 15.271 BTC [-]	[22:30]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller what set have you been on btw ?	[22:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.106 = 0.212 BTC [+]	[22:31]
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bowjob	so your rape contest got some pretty decent submissions	[22:38]
mircea_popescu	bowjob it did didn't it.	[22:39]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu I've been on the set of Walking Dead and a few others, didn't work was just a guest of my friends who are in the industry.	[22:39]
jurov	what did you expect? gore? tentacles?	[22:39]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: also been on the set of a few shows that were pitched to Adult Swim but never made it to air.	[22:40]
mircea_popescu	pretty cvool	[22:40]
thestringpuller	film industry is cutthroat, I can't wait for the first scammer to try and raise money for a movie	[22:41]
thestringpuller	and it ends up being some indiegogo bull crap that gets 100 views on youtube after spending 10,000 coins	[22:41]
jurov	there's this bitcoin documentary, dunno how they raised money for it	[22:41]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller ya that already happened.	[22:42]
thestringpuller	well shit	[22:42]
jurov	what is the rule no #? when you thought of a scam, someone on internet already did it	[22:43]
jurov	maybe rule 33, preceding rune 34	[22:43]
jurov	*rule	[22:44]
thestringpuller	lol jurov	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	what's the call code for nigeria ?	[22:46]
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thestringpuller	LOL	[22:53]
thestringpuller	234 is the country code	[22:53]
thestringpuller	234	[22:53]
thestringpuller	Nigeria, Dialing code	[22:53]
ThickAsThieves	$avg	[22:55]
mpexbot	ThickAsThieves: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.	[22:56]
bowjob	gah, ATC hasnt paid me yet. think he ran away?	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	atc ?	[23:06]
bowjob	ATC777, the dude that shorted BTC at 75 dollars	[23:07]
bowjob	it was only 6 BTC split between me and john, the mod.. but it amounts to $1k now	[23:07]
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bowjob	his excuse was his computer fried while mining ltc.!!	[23:08]
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mircea_popescu	heh. shorting btc, such an adventure.	[23:10]
thestringpuller	I love the 5000 btc wall at 145	[23:11]
thestringpuller	3000 btc wall at 141	[23:12]
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Namworld	http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2011/PPP_Release_National_ConspiracyTheories_040213.pdf	[23:12]
thestringpuller	price is the most stable it's been in months	[23:12]
Namworld	oooookkay...	[23:12]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller innit nice ?	[23:12]
bowjob	seems like half the news is about hatin btc	[23:13]
bowjob	they jelly they didnt get in early... but we're still early	[23:13]
thestringpuller	maybe	[23:13]
mircea_popescu	bowjob if everyone was pumping it we'd have a probkem.	[23:13]
thestringpuller	the biggest danger to bitcoin is yourself if you're inpet	[23:13]
thestringpuller	inept*	[23:13]
Namworld	Did they take their 1,247 participants in an asylum or at some conspiracists conference or something?	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	Namworld you know, not as a dig but, you seem regularly confounded by the state of the world in various details.	[23:15]
mircea_popescu	maybe you just hang out in an insland ?	[23:15]
thestringpuller	LOL	[23:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIM] 3 @ 1.899 = 5.697 BTC [-]	[23:15]
KRS1	price of btc on gox is inflated	[23:16]
Namworld	I just live in Canada and rarely encounter such people...	[23:16]
Namworld	Maybe I should start asking these kind of questions to random people.	[23:16]
thestringpuller	O CANADA	[23:16]
Namworld	Maybe it's all an illusion	[23:17]
thestringpuller	Something something something Canada	[23:17]
Namworld	That's pretty much it.	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:17]
thestringpuller	looks like HIM is recovering, but it's gonna plummet if they depend on BFL for their ASICS	[23:17]
thestringpuller	!ticker H HIM	[23:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.89900000 / 1.8997619 / 1.90000000 (21 shares, 39.89500000 BTC), 7D: 1.87000000 / 1.97199182 / 2.08000000 (110 shares, 216.91910000 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.84047117 / 2.08000000 (694 shares, 1277.28699220 BTC)	[23:17]
bowjob	him was 4.6 btc when it started	[23:18]
bowjob	then it reached 20 btc, then it split	[23:18]
thestringpuller	It is a strong fund	[23:18]
bowjob	its doing extremely well for a 22gigahash farm	[23:18]
bowjob	yeah, the bfl gets me	[23:18]
thestringpuller	but as the difficulty rises I'm paranoid of their being a run on the stock	[23:18]
thestringpuller	everyone will vacate their position in HIM and move to ASICMINER or something	[23:19]
bowjob	i missed the reaction here about bfl jacking prices of their non existent machine	[23:19]
bowjob	s	[23:19]
thestringpuller	HIM started at ~4.6 before the split?	[23:20]
thestringpuller	jeezus	[23:20]
thestringpuller	the split was about approx 14 btc / share no? @ bowjob	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	so it's a 22gigahash farm ? how many shares total ?	[23:21]
thestringpuller	lemme check mircea_popescu	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	ty	[23:21]
Namworld	According to the poll, the more conservative someone is, the more likely someone is to believe pretty much anything.	[23:21]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: 300 shares were issued initially during the IPO from June of 2012 to October of 2012	[23:22]
thestringpuller	as bowjob indicated 4.6 BTC was the initial price for the first 175 shares	[23:23]
bowjob	it wasnt a hot stock back then	[23:23]
bowjob	at the time, pirates fund was the rage	[23:23]
thestringpuller	the remaining 125 were priced at 15.0 BTC per unit	[23:24]
thestringpuller	On March 1st 2013 there was a 1:10 split	[23:24]
thestringpuller	3000 shares exist as of today	[23:24]
thestringpuller	;;calc 3000 * 1.89	[23:25]
gribble	5670	[23:25]
thestringpuller	;;calc (175 * 4.6) + (125 * 15)	[23:25]
gribble	2680	[23:25]
thestringpuller	so it's doubled in value	[23:25]
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deadweasel	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=169062.new#new	[23:28]
deadweasel	lovely	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	wait what.	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	22 gh farm worth 6k btc ?!	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	how is this worth a million dollars ?	[23:29]
mircea_popescu	" NOw I can not live in my home and live in the garage of vegetable garden from my parents." lol	[23:30]
bgupta	That's like what 30k worth of GPU servers?	[23:30]
KRS1	Everyones worth a mil now mircea	[23:30]
KRS1	at least those who knew about btc	[23:30]
KRS1	whats the hassle man	[23:30]
bowjob	mp, i remember you asking topace about the hashpower of the rig	[23:31]
bowjob	of the farm	[23:31]
bowjob	he said 22 gigahash	[23:31]
bowjob	you don't remember? :p	[23:31]
bowjob	he also said the fund will buy his 1.5 TH bfl preorder	[23:31]
bowjob	i dont think he ordered avalons	[23:32]
mircea_popescu	o so wait, it's the case they have ~6k btc on hand + 22gh deployed ?	[23:38]
mircea_popescu	so the stock is pretty much 99% cash ?	[23:39]
mircea_popescu	bowjob i sorta vaguely recall ya	[23:39]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 489 @ 0.001021 = 0.4993 BTC [-]	[23:40]
novusordo	"Hi Mara. That is a hard life you have there."	[23:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 3 @ 0.00102 = 0.0031 BTC [-]	[23:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [RSM] 102 @ 0.00101 = 0.103 BTC [-]	[23:41]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.2 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[23:41]
bowjob	yeah man, 22 gh/s for $1m.	[23:42]
bowjob	they have a 1.5 TH BFL pre order.. we all know how that turned out.	[23:42]
bowjob	if bitbet sentiment is correct, batch 2 avalon will ship before bfl	[23:43]
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bowjob	due to power issues, ect	[23:43]
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mircea_popescu	bowjob all i gotta say is : bfl demoed box of fans ; 3 months later their rig cools passively.	[23:43]
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bowjob	i;d be nice to get 3 mil for my avalon 2	[23:48]
bowjob	then again i might be shortchanging myself in the future	[23:48]
bowjob	lol	[23:48]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 75 @ 0.00271 = 0.2033 BTC [+]	[23:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 58 @ 0.00271 = 0.1572 BTC [+]	[23:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 143 @ 0.0027 = 0.3861 BTC [-]	[23:52]
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