Forum logs for 06 Apr 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

copumpkin	prime: we don't know :)	[00:00]
EvanR	zveda: read the sign above the door. BITCOIN	[00:00]
SerajewelKS	screw this, i'm buildin my own casino. with blackjack, and hookers! in fact, screw the blackjack.	[00:00]
zveda	bit- what ?	[00:00]
rawrmage	trading and exchange!	[00:00]
EvanR	SerajewelKS: and include an airport	[00:00]
EvanR	it will kick ass	[00:00]
SerajewelKS	EvanR: i take it you do not watch futurama	[00:00]
EvanR	show sucks	[00:00]
SerajewelKS	haha	[00:00]
SerajewelKS	no u	[00:00]
EvanR	that joke must have been the one time per season its funny	[00:01]
prime	Nobody knows huh, I took a risk and bought a share. I hope he turns out to be legit	[00:02]
EvanR	dosed off in the middle of a rebase	[00:02]
EvanR	not sure whats going on anymore	[00:02]
rawrmage	lol	[00:02]
SerajewelKS	i own one share of planet kajigger	[00:02]
rawrmage	EvanR: you fell asleep in the middle of a git rebase?	[00:02]
EvanR	zoned out	[00:02]
prime	Cause if not, im going liam neeson on him.	[00:02]
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SerajewelKS	EvanR: git add . && git rebase --continue	[00:03]
SerajewelKS	problem solved	[00:03]
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vragnaroda	sudo rm -rf /	[00:03]
vragnaroda	problem solved ;p	[00:03]
SerajewelKS	vragnaroda: better: for i in /dev/[sh]d?; do dd if=/dev/zero of=$i; done	[00:03]
rawrmage	[rawrmage@dashie ~]$ sudo rm -rf /	[00:04]
rawrmage	[sudo] password for rawrmage:	[00:04]
rawrmage	rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/'	[00:04]
rawrmage	rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe	[00:04]
BohemianHacks	Do all of your friends and family think you are crazy for messing with bitcoins? Mine sure do :D	[00:04]
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vragnaroda	SerajewelKS: haha	[00:04]
SerajewelKS	BohemianHacks: my parents actually grasp the concept and think it's cool. so does one of my best friends.	[00:04]
SerajewelKS	BohemianHacks: they both have coins in fact	[00:05]
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EvanR	BohemianHacks: yeah	[00:05]
mircea_popescu	SerajewelKS you don't screw the blackjack. you screw the hookers.	[00:05]
EvanR	BohemianHacks: it helps to not give a fuck what people think	[00:05]
prime	^ This	[00:06]
BohemianHacks	I dont too much, i just think its funny	[00:06]
mircea_popescu	BohemianHacks : nope.	[00:06]
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BohemianHacks	So many people immediately say, "ITS NOT BACKED BY ANYTHING!!!"	[00:07]
BohemianHacks	then I lol	[00:07]
rawrmage	now operating in #bitcoin-otc-blackjack-and-hookers	[00:07]
mircea_popescu	honk your hooker if you black the jack	[00:07]
prime	What do you tell them?	[00:09]
BohemianHacks	Neither does the USD	[00:10]
BohemianHacks	they usually reply that at least its backed by a government	[00:10]
mircea_popescu	well i don't tell them anything, seeing how before bitcoins i was already using a "backed by me" online currency.	[00:10]
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pigeons	what currency was that mircea_popescu?	[00:17]
mircea_popescu	"karma"	[00:17]
rawrmage	lol	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i run this digg-type thing for romanian articles, people participating get this freely convertible to euros karma thing.	[00:18]
rawrmage	that's cool	[00:18]
mircea_popescu	i think so ye :)	[00:18]
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pigeons	people have been pimping this lately: twollars.com	[00:21]
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bonks	is there a more refined list of businesses accepting bitcoins than the trade page on the wiki?	[00:24]
mircea_popescu	bonks i dunno but the list can take refining	[00:24]
pigeons	this is where someone says, "it's a wiki, you can refine it yourself"	[00:25]
bonks	if it already exists then nah	[00:25]
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clone1018	I want to trade $19.63974USD in bitcoins for $19.63974USD in paypal, anyone interested?	[00:32]
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mircea_popescu	are those thousands or what ?	[00:33]
magnetron	clone1018: how many bitcoins	[00:33]
Blitzboom	paypal? sounds like a bad idea	[00:35]
Blitzboom	unless very reputable buyer	[00:35]
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clone1018	magnetron: not sure, I thought MTGox would let me send to Paypal, it doesnt, so it would be the MTGox bitcoins or bitcoins code	[00:37]
danieldaniel	clone1018: mememememe	[00:37]
danieldaniel	Oh crap, I just realized	[00:37]
danieldaniel	I can't, instant transfer got disabled	[00:37]
danieldaniel	>.>	[00:37]
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copumpkin	amazingrando: NEED MOAR BITBONDZ	[00:40]
jcpham	http://bitcoinmagazine.net/bitcoin-gone-wild/	[00:42]
jcpham	RESHARED	[00:42]
jcpham	10000x	[00:42]
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mircea_popescu	what r bitbondz ?	[00:49]
prime	I have bitbonds	[00:49]
prime	Nothing back yet	[00:50]
prime	Im really hoping tygrr-bot is legit	[00:51]
mircea_popescu	if that girl is nude jcpham i am a camel.	[00:51]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: they're amazingrando's mining perpetuities	[00:52]
copumpkin	the latest fashion in bitcoin	[00:52]
mircea_popescu	o ? link ?	[00:52]
copumpkin	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75126.0	[00:52]
prime	so far puremining is my favorite. Best returns	[00:52]
copumpkin	prime: you gonna buy giga's bonds?	[00:52]
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prime	I think so, I think the stocks are a little over valued but im in	[00:53]
mircea_popescu	a pretty cool stuff. things are moving.	[00:53]
jcpham	tuxavant directs your attention to: http://stripcoin.com/StimulusPackage also	[00:53]
*	jcpham wears lady suit.	[00:54]
Blitzboom	giga’s bond is certainly interesting	[00:55]
Blitzboom	50 GH	[00:55]
copumpkin	I quite like amazingrando's too	[00:55]
rawrmage	bondage in here?	[00:55]
copumpkin	don't have any of meni's yet	[00:55]
prime	Needs more cowbell	[00:56]
copumpkin	lol	[00:56]
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prime	Not impressed with ultimafund.com	[00:56]
ircWALK	i get free electricity. i already have my computer. can somebody tell me how many bitcoins i can mine per day with my graphics card please?	[00:57]
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phantomcircuit	prime, -0.01% monthly	[00:57]
phantomcircuit	GET RICH!	[00:57]
ircWALK	geforce gt 420m	[00:57]
copumpkin	lol	[00:57]
ircWALK	(nvidia)	[00:57]
prime	When i signede up two days ago it was at 4%	[00:57]
copumpkin	that doesn't seem like the kind of thing you want plastered on the front page	[00:57]
copumpkin	if it's positive, put it up, if it's negative, talk about other stuff :P	[00:57]
copumpkin	or smooth it out over time	[00:57]
prime	Sorry	[00:58]
prime	I thought it was nice being honest	[00:58]
copumpkin	?	[00:59]
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copumpkin	that page bears an unsettling resemblance to hyipbit.com	[00:59]
copumpkin	is that a standard template somewhere?	[00:59]
x0Jakeyboy0x	selling $25 dollar visa gift card	[00:59]
phantomcircuit	lol they're identical	[00:59]
x0Jakeyboy0x	anyone interested?	[01:00]
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copumpkin	they even both have the same copyright 2011 by mistake	[01:00]
copumpkin	hyipbit is not a site I'd want to be associated with if I were a legit business :P	[01:01]
copumpkin	not sure if one stole the other's template or if they both got it somewhere else :)	[01:01]
Coolio-	jakeboy	[01:02]
Coolio-	yes	[01:02]
Coolio-	how much?	[01:02]
Coolio-	in btc	[01:02]
Coolio-	and do you mean mailing me the gift card physically?	[01:02]
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x0Jakeyboy0x	ill message ya	[01:02]
jcpham	ircWALK, https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_hardware_comparison doesn't list Geforce GT 420m	[01:02]
jcpham	maybe 20MH/s	[01:02]
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copumpkin	phantomcircuit: they also have a date updated comment in the same place (different date, though) in the HTML	[01:02]
jcpham	;;bc,gen 20000	[01:03]
gribble	The expected generation output, at 20000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1626553.4813289 , is 0.0123676029363 BTC per day and 0.000515316789011 BTC per hour.	[01:03]
jcpham	really a conversation for #bitcoin-mining though	[01:03]
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copumpkin	prime: where'd you find that ultimate fund?	[01:04]
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copumpkin	ultima	[01:04]
prime	In the forums	[01:05]
copumpkin	I tried searching for it	[01:06]
copumpkin	couldn't see it	[01:06]
prime	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50807.0	[01:07]
copumpkin	thanks!	[01:07]
BohemianHacks	... it takes forever for funds to transfer into GLBSE	[01:07]
prime	Quick! everyoe raise your prices!	[01:08]
prime	*everyone	[01:08]
BohemianHacks	lol	[01:08]
bonks	why does gribble calculate up to 15 decimal places	[01:09]
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rg	;;ticker	[01:12]
gribble	Best bid: 4.91709, Best ask: 4.91718, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000000001e-05, Last trade: 4.91709, 24 hour volume: 33716, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.935	[01:12]
rg	i love our new vm environment	[01:12]
rg	shit is taupe	[01:12]
rg	(mix of tight and dope)	[01:12]
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BohemianHacks	...	[01:16]
BohemianHacks	and after i deposit my first money ever into them, they go down http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/glbse.com	[01:16]
BohemianHacks	WTF	[01:16]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[01:18]
prime	Jesus christ, how much did you deposit?	[01:18]
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mircea_popescu	wait a few days, mpex goes gold, you can invest then.	[01:18]
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prime	its back	[01:18]
copumpkin	they went down yesterday too	[01:19]
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neofutur	glbse seems to be down very often ?	[01:19]
jcpham	goes down a lot	[01:19]
copumpkin	that whole site inspires so much confidence	[01:19]
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neofutur	like once every day or so	[01:19]
jcpham	i haven't signed up	[01:19]
jcpham	i've asked smickles to do my glbse dirty work	[01:19]
BohemianHacks	YAY! my money made it	[01:19]
BohemianHacks	It was only 1000000 BTC	[01:20]
jcpham	oh yeah	[01:20]
jcpham	got a tx id link?	[01:20]
BohemianHacks	lol	[01:20]
BohemianHacks	You think I really have that much money?	[01:20]
jcpham	possibly. only 5 million USD	[01:21]
jcpham	i think they print that much every hour	[01:21]
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Blitzboom	guys	[01:25]
Blitzboom	i’m afraid bitcoin is dead http://fbzyngablog.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/heartmonitor.jpg	[01:25]
copumpkin	damn	[01:25]
copumpkin	ah well, it was fun while it lasted	[01:25]
copumpkin	I made a good profit	[01:25]
Blitzboom	;_;	[01:26]
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luke-jr	Blitzboom: only dead for scammers	[01:33]
luke-jr	it's really just beginning	[01:33]
copumpkin	I doubt we'll ever get rid of scammers	[01:33]
x0Jakeyboy0x	Selling $25 dollar visa gift card! anyone?	[01:34]
Blitzboom	luke-jr: i am talking about volatility here	[01:34]
luke-jr	x0Jakeyboy0x: sure, I'll give you 1 BTC for it	[01:36]
Blitzboom	luke-jr is a scammer	[01:37]
x0Jakeyboy0x	luke-jr NTY you good sir. I will make you a cool 3d logo for a btc or two?	[01:37]
BohemianHacks	Ok, investments made	[01:37]
copumpkin	BohemianHacks: what'd you invest in?	[01:37]
Blitzboom	isn’t this called usury?	[01:37]
luke-jr	x0Jakeyboy0x: but I don't need a cool 3D logo	[01:37]
BohemianHacks	JLP-BMD and MU	[01:37]
Blitzboom	$25 for 1 BTC, lol	[01:37]
BohemianHacks	wanted to get some RSM but spent too much on JLP-BMD	[01:37]
luke-jr	Blitzboom: no, it's called free market price.	[01:37]
Blitzboom	i thought you were a christian	[01:38]
Blitzboom	catholic even	[01:38]
x0Jakeyboy0x	luke-jr are you sure? http://oi44.tinypic.com/1orsj5.jpg	[01:38]
luke-jr	yep	[01:38]
luke-jr	x0Jakeyboy0x: that doesn't even look hard to make -.-	[01:38]
BohemianHacks	Not planning on buying and selling a bunch so I just decided on some long term payouts.	[01:38]
BohemianHacks	Kinda said its a thursday with MU but whatever	[01:38]
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x0Jakeyboy0x	might you repeat your answer? a bit of a crash	[01:39]
AndrewNTH	23:38 <+luke-jr> x0Jakeyboy0x: that doesn't even look hard to make -.-	[01:40]
AndrewNTH	23:38 < BohemianHacks> Not planning on buying and selling a bunch so I just decided on some long term payouts.	[01:40]
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AndrewNTH	23:38 < BohemianHacks> Kinda said its a thursday with MU but whatever	[01:40]
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BohemianHacks	sad*	[01:40]
x0Jakeyboy0x	thank you AndrewNTH	[01:40]
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pigeons	echo	[01:41]
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BohemianHacks	echo o o o o	[01:47]
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BohemianHacks	So what looks good on GLBSE to you guys?	[01:48]
BohemianHacks	now that I spent my money	[01:48]
copumpkin	I like them bitbonds	[01:48]
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copumpkin	but rando's next issue isn't until a couple of days from now	[01:48]
BohemianHacks	that was over my intended price or I might have	[01:49]
stejin	;;guide	[01:49]
BohemianHacks	I wanted to get a couple different cheap stocks	[01:49]
copumpkin	ah, fair enough	[01:49]
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BohemianHacks	I really wanted some RSM but saw it too late	[01:50]
BohemianHacks	so i had to bid instead of buy	[01:50]
BohemianHacks	and my short attention span just made be give up and go with MU	[01:50]
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pigeons	I know ya'll like shady loans, so for those who haven't seen: http://ptvp5c6zsdveg4rd.onion/	[01:51]
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prime	lol, someone just sold me 1 btc for 1000 SLL's	[01:52]
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moevsworld	Hi :D	[01:53]
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moevsworld	so many people but no one talking?	[01:54]
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pigeons	moevsworld: you just got here, 2 minutes ago. We all got quiet waiting to see if you had anything interesting to say	[01:55]
moevsworld	lol	[01:55]
smickles	;;ticker	[01:57]
gribble	Best bid: 4.91709, Best ask: 4.9269, Bid-ask spread: 0.00981, Last trade: 4.91709, 24 hour volume: 33440, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.935	[01:57]
JWU42	kinda flat I would say	[01:57]
JWU42	;)	[01:57]
moevsworld	okay guys im new	[01:58]
moevsworld	all i have is paypal	[01:58]
moevsworld	what is the best way for me to buy btc	[01:59]
pigeons	if you happen to live in usa, moneypak maybe	[01:59]
moevsworld	Canada :(	[01:59]
pigeons	do you have a bank account?	[01:59]
moevsworld	yes	[01:59]
phantomcircuit	there you go	[01:59]
moevsworld	Where can I use it online	[02:00]
pigeons	cavirtex.com	[02:00]
moevsworld	Thats awesome :D	[02:00]
moevsworld	How long is the wait till I get the btc??	[02:00]
mircea_popescu	prolly a week or less.	[02:01]
mircea_popescu	(inb4 NEED IT NAO!!!!)	[02:01]
moevsworld	damn	[02:01]
moevsworld	thats a while but i guess i can wait	[02:01]
moevsworld	and cause of holidays im guessing thats going to be delayed or no?	[02:01]
prime	when can i buy BFLS stock?	[02:02]
asoltys	moevsworld: i'm in canada too and have used cavirtex. once you fund your account which takes a day or two to go through, if you put in a bid that meets an asking price, it goes through right away.	[02:02]
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moevsworld	Thats awesome to hear :D	[02:02]
pigeons	i think the virtex guys are in #bitcoin-ca i don't remember	[02:02]
moevsworld	how much should i load up if i only need like 5.1 bitcoins	[02:03]
pigeons	#bitcoin-cad	[02:03]
moevsworld	should i account or inflation ro something	[02:03]
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BohemianHacks	$10,000 at least	[02:04]
moevsworld	oh yeah for sure	[02:04]
moevsworld	was just worried that that might not be enough	[02:04]
bonks	;;ticker	[02:04]
gribble	Best bid: 4.91709, Best ask: 4.92759, Bid-ask spread: 0.0105, Last trade: 4.91709, 24 hour volume: 33564, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.935	[02:04]
BohemianHacks	http://www.ultimafund.com/	[02:05]
BohemianHacks	Why are they advertising in bold letters a monthly loss?	[02:06]
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pigeons	to show you they are so legit, they even admit their losses	[02:06]
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luke-jr	lol	[02:07]
luke-jr	Yearly return: 17.31% <--	[02:07]
mircea_popescu	this "shakaru class action" forum thread is hysterical. poor judge that gets to throw out the class action motion agaisnt an bankrupt individual.	[02:09]
vragnaroda	Fucking Christ.	[02:10]
mircea_popescu	pigeons that's actually impressive imo	[02:10]
prime	Whats the deal with https://www.bitcoinbuilder.com/	[02:11]
BohemianHacks	invest money, appear to make money, then lose your money! all automatically!	[02:13]
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pigeons	and.. it's gone	[02:13]
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pigeons	mircea_popescu: are you talking about the .onion loan pool?	[02:15]
mircea_popescu	no, tyhe advertising loss	[02:15]
pigeons	ah.	[02:16]
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pigeons	i'll make sure to add some losing months to my next ponzi	[02:17]
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BohemianHacks	thats the bitcoin forums most used word isn't it?	[02:18]
mircea_popescu	isit ?	[02:19]
BohemianHacks	Everything is a ponzi scheme to the forum people	[02:19]
Blitzboom	ponzi?	[02:19]
Blitzboom	why do you say that, are you running a ponzi?	[02:20]
Cusipzzz	i thought it was bubble	[02:20]
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BohemianHacks	No I run an actual tangible business where people buy things	[02:21]
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BohemianHacks	Very easy to convince people its not a scam when they are buying stuff they want :D	[02:22]
BohemianHacks	Ponzi schemes were too hard to run.	[02:22]
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MBS	anyone want to buy some itunes gift cards?	[02:33]
MBS	or kimsufi servers?	[02:33]
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imsaguy	did you buy those $50 itunes cards for $40 with that sale that ran last week?	[02:34]
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MBS	imsaguy, nope, just would buy them when someone ordered :p	[02:35]
MBS	would do it for just over $40 worth of bitcoins though :p	[02:35]
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x0Jakeyboy0x	Selling $25 dollar visa gift card	[02:43]
bonks	how do you redeem a visa gift card?	[02:43]
imsaguy	you don't redeem it	[02:43]
imsaguy	you just psend it	[02:43]
bonks	ah with the card info, online only	[02:44]
bonks	..from a trusted seller, who wont use the funds afterwards	[02:44]
ircWALK	can you get in trouble if its a stolen/fraudulent one?	[02:44]
imsaguy	well	[02:45]
pigeons	yes	[02:45]
imsaguy	if you know its stolen, yes	[02:45]
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ircWALK	what if you dont know its stolen?	[02:45]
imsaguy	depends on your definition of 'trouble'	[02:45]
imsaguy	if you dont know, they'll just make you cover the loss	[02:45]
bonks	ircWALK: good point, i wouldnt want to deal with it at all then ;x	[02:45]
imsaguy	if you do know, they'll press charges	[02:45]
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ircWALK	how often do they make you cover the loss, if its stolen?	[02:45]
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ircWALK	(and they know you dont know its stolen)	[02:46]
imsaguy	you have to pay them the money back	[02:46]
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ircWALK	can they force you to pay back money?	[02:46]
ircWALK	people like amazon etc	[02:47]
imsaguy	... yeah	[02:47]
c1b3rshad3	i want to buy from sturles. i'm new to bitcoin otc. what do i do?	[02:47]
ircWALK	wow. so how come i cant find any stories of people having bought amazon gcs, and then having to pay amazon back after they discover its a fraudulent card?	[02:48]
imsaguy	talk to sturles	[02:48]
c1b3rshad3	how do i do that? i see his/her name in the list	[02:48]
imsaguy	ircWALK: you know lots of people using stolen amazon?	[02:48]
MBS	anyone want to buy some amazon gift cards?	[02:48]
imsaguy	mbs: sure, for 85% of face.	[02:48]
MBS	lol was just joking anyway	[02:48]
MBS	but willing to sell stuff online for cost :D	[02:49]
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MBS	or $100 in itunes gift card codes for $81 in BTC	[02:49]
ircWALK	imsaguy: i did my first successful 50$ trade today on bitcointalk forum. im still a newbie there	[02:49]
imsaguy	congrats	[02:49]
ircWALK	when i get some more 50$ codes , maybe you would like to buy for 85%	[02:49]
imsaguy	maybe	[02:50]
ircWALK	i dont know people using stolen amazons though no. but when i started my affiliate buisness, i did some research on amazon codes. i suspected some people might be able to buy them illegally	[02:50]
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ircWALK	was a little curious what would happen to them. i figured nothing because i found nothing on google about amazon claiming money back	[02:51]
Cusipzzz	you can buy them with a bad cc, when it gets reported, amazon yanks the value from the gift card account if it isn't already spent	[02:54]
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ircWALK	really? i heard once its loaded onto your account, nothing can happen to it?	[02:54]
ircWALK	but what you are saying makes alot more sense	[02:55]
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Cusipzzz	ircWALK: it has happened to me. thats why i instead spend any amazon codes i buy	[02:56]
Cusipzzz	insta*-spend	[02:56]
ircWALK	ouch	[02:56]
ircWALK	instaspending seems like a safe way to do things	[02:56]
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ircWALK	is there any way i can prove to my buyers that my amazons are 100% legit?	[02:56]
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Cusipzzz	no...because even amazon will say they are good...until they aren't	[02:57]
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ircWALK	supposing the person who uses the gc has never used amazon before, how exactly do they go about recovering the money?	[02:58]
ircWALK	its not like they can charge a cc, if there is none attached	[02:58]
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vragnaroda	rg: ʔe᷄t̪ʰi̋kt͡ɬɑ̀θȁɟɹūcɟc͡çīgʊ᷅ŋt͡pfɛ̌ʁɜ̏fzɱnə̄ktǐpʰɪ̋ɸmɛ̄ɕìgámpɳe̋ʑʐi̊ɱfɸǐʂɹìbɑ̃᷄d̪	[02:58]
Cusipzzz	they don't recover the money... they just remove the gc balance, if it's still unspent	[02:59]
ircWALK	what if it has already been spent though, and goods have already been received	[02:59]
Cusipzzz	then they eat it, it appears	[02:59]
danieldaniel	I think they put your account into negative	[02:59]
imsaguy	given enough theft, I'm sure they'll stop 'eating it'	[03:00]
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ircWALK	i would like to know /for sure/, and have references for the source of information. that way in my trading thread i can say look i) i cant prove these are 100% legit, but they are. ii) if you dont believe me, and they are actually fraudulent, here is what happens:	[03:01]
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ircWALK	imsaguy: what do you mean? if there is enough theft by one particular user? or the company as a whole?	[03:01]
imsaguy	think about it	[03:02]
danieldaniel	ircWALK: I think he means the company	[03:02]
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imsaguy	what do you suppose	[03:02]
danieldaniel	The company can only take so much loss	[03:02]
ircWALK	well i also figured that if a buyer has only had one instance of using a fraudulent gc, they might eat it, and not stir up a fight with the user	[03:03]
ircWALK	imsaguy: do you think they eat it then? or do you think they just give the person a negative balance?	[03:03]
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pigeons	ircWALK: there is no "for sure"	[03:04]
imsaguy	why the persistant interest in fake amazon?	[03:04]
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ircWALK	because i want to educate my customers about the possibilities of what may happen if they buy stolen amazon	[03:04]
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imsaguy	kakobrekla, stop that.	[03:05]
kakobrekla	jeez	[03:05]
kakobrekla	some problems with auto auth	[03:05]
kakobrekla	just fixed it	[03:05]
pigeons	and yeah fyi, i have not yet had a good experience with the people who counter a trader's concerns over illegitimate codes by saying, "look trust me, if it's fake, nothing will happen"	[03:05]
ircWALK	because they will either i) believe they are legit ii) not believe they are legit. in the second case; i want to let them realise what the likely outcomes are	[03:05]
kakobrekla	its not like im doing it to annoy you	[03:05]
copumpkin	ab37: you fucked up the image link	[03:05]
ircWALK	exactly pigeons. thats why i want to know exactly what will happen. so i can tell people the risks they are getting into. (even though there is no risk with me, my codes are legit - and would be happy to prove so if there was a way)	[03:06]
imsaguy	well	[03:06]
imsaguy	we already said there isn't	[03:06]
vragnaroda	Don't tell people what risks they're getting into.	[03:06]
imsaguy	so quit beating a dead horse	[03:06]
imsaguy	there is no risk if they are legit	[03:07]
pigeons	ircWALK: no i meant i don't feel comfortable with people who try to assure me they know the risks	[03:07]
vragnaroda	Even if you know what they've done in the past, that doesn't mean they won't change their practice in the future without telling you.	[03:07]
smickles	;;tslb	[03:07]
smickles	;bc,;tslb	[03:07]
smickles	;;bc,tslb	[03:07]
gribble	Time since last block: 33 minutes and 54 seconds	[03:07]
vragnaroda	Let Amazon tell people what their policies are.	[03:07]
ircWALK	vragnaroda: sorry i dont agree with that. i would rather educate potential customers about the risks, so they can make an informed decision.	[03:08]
imsaguy	ircWALK: who are you?	[03:08]
ircWALK	im still a newbie	[03:08]
vragnaroda	Jesus titty-fucking Christ.	[03:08]
Blitzboom	u mad vragnaroda	[03:09]
vragnaroda	ircWALK: Informed customers don't take advice like that from who they're buying shit from.	[03:09]
pigeons	ok, i was trying to help you. because when i trade with someone and they try to inform me of the risks in that way, i don't do the deal, and it may be anecdotal, but they always turn out to be shady	[03:09]
BohemianHacks	quick question about GLBSE, when it says "9@0.555" does that mean 9 shares for .555 BTC?	[03:10]
vragnaroda	;;ident ircWALK	[03:10]
gribble	Nick 'ircWALK', with hostmask 'ircWALK!~FACEBOOK@unaffiliated/ircwalk', is identified as user ircwalk, with GPG key id 95BB8DD2D3FBE46A, and key fingerprint 122D1A70857C5928B623293995BB8DD2D3FBE46A.	[03:10]
vragnaroda	;;gpg info ircwalk	[03:10]
gribble	User 'ircwalk', with keyid 95BB8DD2D3FBE46A and fingerprint 122D1A70857C5928B623293995BB8DD2D3FBE46A, registered on Wed Apr 4 17:35:31 2012. Currently authenticated from hostmask ircWALK!~FACEBOOK@unaffiliated/ircwalk	[03:10]
smickles	BohemianHacks: yup	[03:10]
BohemianHacks	fuuuuu	[03:10]
smickles	BohemianHacks: 9 shrs for .555 each	[03:10]
BohemianHacks	oh	[03:10]
BohemianHacks	ok	[03:10]
smickles	;)	[03:10]
BohemianHacks	Thought I bought in at double the value	[03:11]
danieldaniel	8:10pm] vragnaroda: [04:08:45] Jesus titty-fucking Christ.	[03:11]
ircWALK	i appreciate the help pigeons. i will keep that in mind. i guess i (maybe incorrectly) assumed that educating people about risks of all amazon trading in general (even other peoples' threads) would be a somewhat professional thing to do.	[03:11]
pigeons	nope	[03:11]
BohemianHacks	smickles what is your company?	[03:12]
smickles	BohemianHacks: yes, I own amazon	[03:12]
danieldaniel	xd	[03:12]
danieldaniel	xD	[03:12]
vragnaroda	smickles: OMG, Jeff, is that you?	[03:12]
smickles	stfu I do own part of amazon	[03:12]
imsaguy	ircWALK: maybe instead of becoming an expert on amazon fraud so you can warn others, you should let those already experts in it do it?	[03:13]
danieldaniel	oh	[03:13]
danieldaniel	i see where your going there	[03:13]
imsaguy	you're*	[03:13]
BohemianHacks	I thought you had a GLBSE company	[03:13]
danieldaniel	imsaguy: D:	[03:13]
vragnaroda	imsaguy: I'm surprised you didn't say “*tehy're.” :p	[03:13]
smickles	BohemianHacks: I'm an officer of S²CM and MPOE.ETF	[03:13]
smickles	S²CM's ticker is SS	[03:13]
imsaguy	vragnaroda: I'm suprised you restrained yourself.	[03:13]
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vragnaroda	imsaguy: I'm switching back and forth between this channel and another one fairly often so it may take a few seconds before I see a dianelism.	[03:14]
smickles	BohemianHacks: I answered the way I did b/c your question was vague ;)	[03:14]
vragnaroda	(And, yes, that was intentional. :p)	[03:15]
BohemianHacks	:P	[03:15]
smickles	BohemianHacks: oh, and the stfu was directed at dandan	[03:16]
smickles	sry dandan	[03:16]
danieldaniel	smickles: D:	[03:16]
BohemianHacks	I figured	[03:16]
BohemianHacks	I already did my buying for the day	[03:16]
ircWALK	imsaguy: there is always room for another expert in town. and if im going to be dealing with amazon, i want to know the ins and outs of it.	[03:16]
imsaguy	;;getrating ircWALK	[03:16]
gribble	This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask ircWALK!~FACEBOOK@unaffiliated/ircwalk	[03:16]
BohemianHacks	You can take a BTC loan?	[03:16]
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smickles	BohemianHacks: I hope you made some good buys	[03:17]
ircWALK	;;getrating imsaguy	[03:17]
gribble	User imsaguy, created on Tue Aug 2 16:24:18 2011. Cumulative rating 261, from 109 total ratings. Received ratings: 106 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 111 positive, 6 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=imsaguy Currently authenticated from hostmask imsaguy!~nick@unaffiliated/imsaguy	[03:17]
BohemianHacks	Me too, what would you recommend?	[03:17]
imsaguy	ircWALK: you should work on getting a rating first, then worrying about being the goto guy	[03:17]
smickles	BohemianHacks: Well, I can tell you what I like, but you shouldn't consider it a recomendation	[03:18]
danieldaniel	i think I own 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 of amazon	[03:18]
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ircWALK	i would rather work on both simultaenously	[03:18]
danieldaniel	like 1 share	[03:18]
BohemianHacks	So does that mean you are going to be biased or that they are good companies but don't pay out well?	[03:18]
smickles	BohemianHacks: well, bias and the fact that if these are considered marketable securities and I recomend you buy one w/o myself being a certified financial planner it is illegal	[03:20]
BohemianHacks	ah, noted	[03:20]
smickles	i like IBB, but the dividend sucks ass. MU if they lessened their holdings of the various tygrr things and proved themselves over a longer time, and ofc SS and MPOE.ETF	[03:21]
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BohemianHacks	I have 5 in MU	[03:22]
pigeons	and don't forget Satoshi's Daemon was the best horse at the track of her solo practice run	[03:22]
smickles	I haven't really looked into too many others, but the public statements of the guy who runs tygrr and others scared me out of those assets	[03:22]
imsaguy	pigeons: I firgued it was converted to hamburger already	[03:23]
imsaguy	figured*	[03:23]
pigeons	there is also one (GEM I think) that you can redeem for sparkly diamonds	[03:23]
BohemianHacks	smickles: I was also looking at MPOE.ETF	[03:23]
smickles	heh, i'm the guy to ask about that one	[03:23]
smickles	it only has ETF in the name b/c mircea_popescu is something of a 'definition anarchist'	[03:24]
smickles	it's not technically an ETF	[03:25]
mircea_popescu	lmao what ?!	[03:25]
BohemianHacks	What is it?	[03:25]
smickles	BohemianHacks: it's just a general fund which happens to be traded on an exchange	[03:25]
pigeons	the better question is what do you call the underlying asset that MPOE.ETF invests in	[03:25]
prime	What are we going to say when it turns out Tygrr tech is legit and he really does have a hot girlfiend?	[03:26]
pigeons	i call it a bondish thingie	[03:26]
smickles	prime: i don't really doubt that he's legit	[03:26]
prime	of course the guy who verified his identity has $6000 in his stocks	[03:26]
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smickles	pigeons: that's a pretty big 'ish', the mpoe 'stocks' aren't representitive of debt	[03:27]
pigeons	stockish thingie, thanks	[03:27]
copumpkin	prime: who's that?	[03:27]
smickles	^	[03:27]
prime	kludge	[03:28]
smickles	BohemianHacks: have you read the forum post related to MPOE.ETF	[03:28]
prime	kluge	[03:28]
BohemianHacks	Nope	[03:28]
copumpkin	oh	[03:28]
BohemianHacks	link?	[03:28]
smickles	sec	[03:28]
prime	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=52081.340	[03:28]
copumpkin	amazingrando: spice things up! there hasn't been a bitbond trade in 9 hours!!	[03:29]
smickles	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0 << BohemianHacks	[03:29]
prime	I bought a stock, hoping for a early bonus. ;)	[03:29]
Blitzboom	are we going to have a stock bubble?	[03:30]
Cusipzzz	everything on glbse is a bubble	[03:31]
Blitzboom	are you a bubble?	[03:31]
Cusipzzz	i'm not on gblse	[03:31]
Blitzboom	you can still be a bubble	[03:31]
Cusipzzz	good point	[03:31]
smickles	https://glbse.com/asset/view/SS << check out the verification section	[03:32]
prime	great job smickles, im in!	[03:32]
smickles	number and address should be comming in a day or too	[03:32]
smickles	*two	[03:32]
smickles	https://glbse.com/asset/view/MPOE.ETF has the fancy checkmarks too	[03:33]
Cusipzzz	lol	[03:33]
Blitzboom	check out mah verificationz	[03:34]
smickles	now if my identity gets stolen, i'm goona be pissed	[03:34]
Blitzboom	very nice	[03:34]
Cusipzzz	yes, nobody would ever dare tarnishing their unused facebook and linked in for a few thousand $s...perish the thought	[03:34]
Blitzboom	thumbs up smickles	[03:34]
Blitzboom	get naked for the bitcoin financial institutions!	[03:35]
Cusipzzz	all thats missing is an interface for sellers to voip cold-call senior citizens...maybe that's glbse 3.0	[03:35]
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mircea_popescu	lmao col.	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	cold*	[03:37]
mircea_popescu	smickles : did you get nefario's identity to publish it in case yours gets stolen	[03:37]
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mircea_popescu	so that no matter how things go the id theft ppl are happy ?	[03:38]
Cusipzzz	lol	[03:38]
smickles	mircea_popescu: naw, I figured if my ident gets stolen, I'll just set myself up like this w/o the clothing	[03:41]
smickles	http://www.bodyrock.tv/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Crab-Pike-Press4.jpg	[03:41]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[03:42]
mircea_popescu	you can keep your top on	[03:42]
smickles	m'kay	[03:42]
rg	;;ticker	[03:42]
gribble	Best bid: 4.9098, Best ask: 4.91, Bid-ask spread: 0.0002, Last trade: 4.9098, 24 hour volume: 34571, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.93495	[03:42]
rg	;;asks 4.99	[03:42]
gribble	There are currently 16387.1 bitcoins offered at or under 4.99 USD, worth 80984.1425421 USD in total.	[03:42]
rg	;;asks 5.01	[03:42]
gribble	There are currently 22410.526 bitcoins offered at or under 5.01 USD, worth 111115.726402 USD in total.	[03:42]
vragnaroda	rg: ʔe᷄t̪ʰi̋kt͡ɬɑ̀θȁɟɹūcɟc͡çīgʊ᷅ŋt͡pfɛ̌ʁɜ̏fzɱnə̄ktǐpʰɪ̋ɸmɛ̄ɕìgámpɳe̋ʑʐi̊ɱfɸǐʂɹìbɑ̃᷄d̪	[03:43]
rg	that did it	[03:43]
vragnaroda	rg: Did I mess up your terminal?	[03:43]
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coingenuity	lol.	[03:45]
Blitzboom	smickles: are you the first who got naked?	[03:46]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda you'll never be old school till you figure out how to put some cartouches in chat.	[03:46]
smickles	Blitzboom: I dunno	[03:46]
Blitzboom	i haven’t seen any asset before with it	[03:47]
Blitzboom	aah https://glbse.com/asset/view/MU	[03:47]
Blitzboom	here’s one	[03:47]
smickles	I'm going to ask nefario. If I am, I suppose it's a bragging point	[03:47]
Blitzboom	and a facebook here https://glbse.com/asset/view/RSM	[03:47]
smickles	ah, they may have beaten me to it then	[03:47]
Blitzboom	this guy has everything except linkedin https://glbse.com/asset/view/JLP-BMD	[03:48]
danieldaniel	http://www.virtualpostmail.com/ <-- really cool	[03:48]
Blitzboom	here’s one that has everything https://glbse.com/asset/view/COGNITIVE	[03:48]
Blitzboom	so looks like it’s quite a few now	[03:48]
Blitzboom	good for investors	[03:48]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[03:49]
Blitzboom	no more ponzi for you Cusipzzz	[03:49]
copumpkin	I can't believe glbse is putting some ugly raw XML in the contract section	[03:50]
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Blitzboom	that sounds like something mircea_popescu would do	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	eh, no it doesn't.	[03:50]
copumpkin	I doubt mircea_popescu would use xml	[03:50]
mircea_popescu	where do i dump xml ?	[03:50]
copumpkin	and if he did, he wouldn't display it to the end user unless the end user asked for it specifically	[03:51]
copumpkin	if that's your primary way of communicating information to the user, you're doing it wrong	[03:51]
Blitzboom	i agree	[03:51]
Cusipzzz	Blitzboom: yes, verification of an alleged linked in account will certainly end the scams on gblse. congrats to all involved	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	this is a deliberate smear campaign! I SUE Blitzboom !!! CALL MY INTERNETS LAWYERS	[03:51]
copumpkin	lol	[03:51]
Blitzboom	call the bitcoin police	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	not those lol	[03:51]
mircea_popescu	the domuchly brigade	[03:52]
Blitzboom	https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Bitcoin_Police	[03:52]
Blitzboom	hahaha, they have their own article	[03:52]
Blitzboom	and website! http://bitcoinpolice.net/	[03:52]
prime	Serious Stuff	[03:52]
mircea_popescu	do they have hoovercraft yet ?	[03:52]
Blitzboom	mrtiggr@bitcoinpolice.org	[03:52]
Blitzboom	you guys are reported	[03:53]
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gmaxwell	my hoovercraft is full of dustbunnies.	[03:53]
prime	I heard they created a VB script to backtrace mofo's	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	does it work in javascript ?	[03:53]
prime	Consequences will never be the same....	[03:53]
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Blitzboom	hahaha yes	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	Consequences will never be the sane....	[03:53]
mircea_popescu	there fify	[03:53]
Blitzboom	did the bitcoin police ever solve a case?	[03:54]
Blitzboom	catch a thief	[03:54]
zveda	nope	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	wait. was that "my hoovercraft is full of eels" gmaxwell ?	[03:54]
mircea_popescu	well sure they caught a thief. they caught all the thieves (dependent on your definition of caught and thief).	[03:54]
Blitzboom	caught = identified	[03:55]
Blitzboom	RL identity	[03:55]
mircea_popescu	o, PW : RN ? srs biznis for srsly.	[03:55]
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mircea_popescu	to my primitive mind, caught is this : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/128237101388.jpg	[03:56]
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draco49	hi hi	[03:57]
mircea_popescu	heya drac	[03:57]
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mircea_popescu	anyone here know about fruit trees cultivation ?	[03:57]
danieldaniel	mircea_popescu: Y u no say nsfe	[03:57]
danieldaniel	nsfw*	[03:57]
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mircea_popescu	i actually spent the time to find a sfw one ?	[03:58]
danieldaniel	not sfw...	[03:58]
mircea_popescu	hm	[03:59]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: You see, danieldaniel works in a church and demands that people stoop to his level.	[03:59]
danieldaniel	vragnaroda: (A) Im jewish (B) No I don't.	[03:59]
mircea_popescu	lol. but srsly, i saw a peta protest like that in front of macdonalds.	[04:00]
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MindChild	Will do your programming homework for bitcoins!	[04:04]
zveda	happy pesach danieldaniel	[04:05]
vragnaroda	danieldaniel: So you worship infant genital mutilation but a woman who isn't even showing anything that's usually covered is indecent? :p	[04:05]
mircea_popescu	i thought all male americans got genital mutilation as infants	[04:05]
Cusipzzz	mircea_popescu: no	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	really ?! cause that's usually the first think us girls remark about ?!	[04:06]
vragnaroda	Not all. It's declining rather sharply.	[04:06]
Cusipzzz	mircea_popescu: lol	[04:06]
mircea_popescu	well declining it may be... but what's that do for the 90s and before	[04:06]
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luke-jr	mircea_popescu: Catholics are forbidden from mutilation.	[04:06]
vragnaroda	lol	[04:07]
Blitzboom	lol	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	they just do cannibalism right ?	[04:07]
Cusipzzz	here we go....	[04:07]
vragnaroda	.w theophagy	[04:07]
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pebbles	theophagy — noun: 1. (rare) The feeding on a god, in a sacramental context	[04:07]
mircea_popescu	but wait. christ was man.	[04:08]
vragnaroda	There was no christ.	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	they're not feeding on the holy bird or anything.	[04:08]
luke-jr	mircea_popescu: God too	[04:08]
mircea_popescu	well god too that seems ... immaterial ?	[04:08]
vragnaroda	Jesus was a man they claim to have been both man and god (and thus the christ).	[04:08]
vragnaroda	lol	[04:08]
zveda	how come this channel allows to much more silly talk than #bitcoin ?	[04:09]
prime	May FSM bless your heathen souls	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	cause it's cooler zveda	[04:09]
zveda	so I should confine my silly talk to here?	[04:09]
mircea_popescu	well now that all depends. is your silly talk funny ?	[04:09]
Cusipzzz	<+luke-jr> mircea_popescu: Catholics are forbidden from mutilation --> priests like them intact for sunday school eh	[04:09]
zveda	I get mixed reviews	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	the intactile stimulation, part of a series on immaculate conception.	[04:10]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: Anyhoo, plenty of adult Americans have intact penises, too.	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	well then zveda, as a general rule the funny part goes here the unfunny part in #bitcoin-unfunny	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	thats a relish then.	[04:11]
zveda	thats not funny	[04:12]
mircea_popescu	;/ how could you say that to meee!!	[04:14]
neofutur	please could ewe stop to troll about jesus and jews and peoples religions ?	[04:15]
neofutur	please	[04:15]
zveda	this is why I never tell anyone my religion	[04:15]
neofutur	( and possibly american penises )	[04:15]
mircea_popescu	i thought we had.	[04:15]
neofutur	zveda: same here its the best troll to search a flame war	[04:16]
luke-jr	/kick Cusipzzz	[04:17]
MindChild	damn, grow a pair	[04:18]
MindChild	get over yourself	[04:18]
vragnaroda	MindChild: ?	[04:19]
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mircea_popescu	are bitcoin addresses always 40 chars long ?	[04:21]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:22]
danieldaniel	9:21pm] vragnaroda: [05:05:29] danieldaniel: So you worship infant genital mutilation but a woman who isn't even showing anything that's usually covered is indecent?	[04:22]
danieldaniel	vragnaroda: ...	[04:22]
Blitzboom	vragnaroda is an antisemite	[04:23]
prime	For crying out loud, quit talking about circumcision.	[04:23]
neofutur	and a troll	[04:23]
prime	go to #NAMBLA if you want to talk about that	[04:23]
mircea_popescu	no way there's a #nambla	[04:23]
Cusipzzz	lol	[04:23]
prime	Lucky for him	[04:23]
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BTC_Bear	Ok, all you Arizonians. You have offended me. Please report to your friendly local PRISON.	[04:24]
MindChild	You know as well Arizonians can't read	[04:25]
MindChild	so they won't do that	[04:25]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:25]
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vragnaroda	prime: However you feel about the practice, it's not comparable to NAMBLA's area of advocacy. While you're certainly free to disagree with the practice, that's just inaccurate and offensive.	[04:26]
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prime	Just shut up	[04:26]
prime	Are you trying to earn BTC by annoying people enough to pay you to leave?	[04:26]
vragnaroda	You got me!	[04:27]
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MindChild	Man, if that is annoying, you have never met a real troll	[04:30]
MindChild	klerck was the best	[04:31]
MindChild	To see him in action was amazing	[04:32]
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prime	No i have met a real troll http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMEe7JqBgvg	[04:32]
MindChild	heh, looks like klerck even got verbed	[04:33]
MindChild	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=klerck	[04:33]
rg	you guys are fucked	[04:34]
zveda	I met a leprechaun	[04:36]
zveda	we played football	[04:36]
zveda	aka soccer	[04:37]
prime	The Irish are a plague on this earth....	[04:38]
prime	I know, i have and Irish mother	[04:39]
eastender	whos cutting peepers?	[04:39]
copumpkin	o.O	[04:39]
moevsworld	god danmn it gribble isnt working	[04:39]
moevsworld	;;gpg eregister alice	[04:40]
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zveda	I think leprechauns are more powerful than trolls	[04:40]
zveda	they're like jews	[04:40]
prime	Confidence men are much worse	[04:40]
zveda	they're very vindictive	[04:40]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:41]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:44]
prime	Hypostheticaly, i have 3.5 Btc in GLBSE , what stocks get me the most in returns?	[04:44]
prime	lol, hypothetically	[04:44]
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MBS	anyone want to buy some itunes gift cards?	[04:45]
Trader013	anyone selling bitcoins?	[04:45]
copumpkin	prime: if we knew, we'd buy them and would probably not tell you until we thought they weren't worth buying anymore	[04:45]
c1b3rshad3	;;gpg eregister	[04:45]
prime	I download all my music and videos for free	[04:45]
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MBS	bitapple	[04:45]
bigrhino	anyone selling btc for mp?	[04:46]
zveda	if SR went public, I would buy their stock	[04:47]
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Blitzboom	i would invest all my BTC	[04:47]
prime	SS or BitBond	[04:47]
Blitzboom	nah, probably not	[04:47]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:47]
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Blitzboom	they already had spectacular growth	[04:47]
zveda	I mean they have soo much potential	[04:48]
zveda	they are the BTC economy	[04:48]
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zveda	and when I shop there I feel like I am helping my own stock	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	ok, so DEPOSIT and WITHDRAW are implemented on MPEx and ready for testing,	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	so whoever has an acct go right ahead.	[04:49]
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netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	i've never shopped there, too much hassle to get tor running.	[04:49]
Blitzboom	rly	[04:50]
Blitzboom	you extract an archive and run an exe	[04:50]
Blitzboom	done	[04:50]
Blitzboom	https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser.html.en	[04:50]
ircWALK	if sr is so crucial to btc economy, there should be more advertising in drug dealing circles about sr imo	[04:51]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:51]
ircWALK	fb promotion of sr etc	[04:51]
Blitzboom	lol	[04:51]
netxshare	rkf	[04:51]
zveda	tor so easy to turn on. there's a firefox app where u just flip a switch	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	Blitzboom : there's no .exe on my system	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	moreover, i can't just randomly run stuff.	[04:52]
Blitzboom	w/e	[04:52]
zveda	I think with drugs it's mostly word of mouth, but I wouldnt know..	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	just pointing out that plenty of people don't give a shit about sr.	[04:52]
mircea_popescu	i'd be one of them.	[04:52]
Blitzboom	sure. i don’t give a shit either besides that it’s the most successful BTC business	[04:53]
prime	next time you see a prostitute, tell them that if they charge in bitcoin, then they already have the exact kind on money needed for silk road.	[04:53]
prime	cause they are drug addicts	[04:53]
prime	;)	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	lol. how many hos do you know prime ?	[04:53]
netxshare	;;gpg auth netxshare	[04:53]
netxshare	;;gpg verify http://paste.pocoo.org/raw/576776/	[04:53]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user 'netxshare' with key 86522E02E9A5A9B1	[04:53]
netxshare	finally	[04:53]
mircea_popescu	wd :p	[04:53]
netxshare	damn script was broken	[04:53]
prime	Serious, homeless people can beg for money with a simple QR code on a cardboard sign	[04:53]
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netxshare	;;voiceme	[04:53]
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netxshare	prime: that would be great to see	[04:54]
netxshare	prime: infact...	[04:54]
zveda	wow homeless bitcoin.. that's kool	[04:54]
zveda	if I ever become homeless I will do it	[04:54]
prime	If i can dontate 1/23 of a penny to a homeless person, why not	[04:54]
Blitzboom	drugs, gambling, porn, homeless	[04:55]
BTC_Bear	prime: curiously, the prostitue after selling her 'wares' will go to the local computer café and order some 'crack' on the internet and wait for the mail? OR she (presumably) will walk to the corner.	[04:55]
Blitzboom	more ideas plz	[04:55]
prime	Her phone	[04:55]
freedomfestival	how do i message gribble	[04:55]
mircea_popescu	/query gribble	[04:55]
Blitzboom	/msg gribble blabla	[04:55]
freedomfestival	thx	[04:56]
smickles	;;tell gribble ticker	[04:56]
BohemianHacks	Hey I used to be homeless, and speaking from experience they would tell you to shove that 1/23 of a penny up your ass.	[04:56]
PaulZag	;;later tell mlinksva happy to do these sorts of transactions	[04:56]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[04:56]
rg	i used to be homeless	[04:57]
rg	but i got a job	[04:57]
rg	and then i wasnt homeless	[04:57]
prime	Why should it matter how much is donated? seems kinda selfish	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	wow rg srsly ?	[04:57]
PaulZag	homelessness is not a choice	[04:57]
rg	mircea_popescu: long time ago	[04:57]
mircea_popescu	hey, wd for beating it.	[04:57]
rg	i lived in a house that was for sale	[04:58]
PaulZag	good attitude mircea_popescu, those that can beat it, do beat it	[04:58]
prime	45% of the US in in poverty level status. Micro payments to homeless would benifit them.	[04:58]
prime	more people could afford to donate	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	i was homeless once for two weeks. in the sense that i ran off with a chick that played killer pool and her father's car.	[04:58]
rg	it had electricity and the heat was on all the time	[04:58]
PaulZag	for many it's a cycle of horror	[04:58]
mircea_popescu	we wined and dined every night.	[04:58]
rg	for the pipes i assume	[04:58]
PaulZag	Watch the movie Pursuit of Happiness for a sanitized version of what it's like	[04:59]
rg	it was scary	[04:59]
BohemianHacks	One of the houses i crashed in in las vegas had power rigged from the street light.	[04:59]
rg	other than the fact that someone coulda walked in the house at any time and probably had me thrown in jail	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	i have a vague ideea based on the fact that i'm friends with many current and retired hos.	[04:59]
rg	it was good	[04:59]
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rg	i just stayed upstairs, it was a two floor house but on the 2nd floor there was a loft	[04:59]
rg	and thats where i stayed	[04:59]
PaulZag	I ran a cafe in Sydney's red light district for 3 years... fun times, sad times	[04:59]
mircea_popescu	was the money kinda shitty ?	[05:00]
smickles	< prime> 45% of the US in in poverty level status. Micro payments to homeless would benifit them. << 181pdTJx16VwHW1sLurpwYAa4f79SSQ2br i'm in 'merica and below the poverty line	[05:01]
PaulZag	I was supposede to be a silent partner, got married went on 2 month honeymoon, came back to find 1 partner working 20hrs a day and the other runned orf with a woman. so I chipped in. Lousy money	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	45% of the US in in poverty level status. << and the rest is mostly in jail or under 18.	[05:01]
netxshare	http://images.bitshift.io/c10f390fdfc7dd7b91586d552d2506ef.png	[05:01]
prime	Nice	[05:01]
PaulZag	hehehe mircea_popescu lol	[05:01]
PaulZag	gotta go . family easter lunch	[05:01]
PaulZag	the italian catholic side	[05:01]
mircea_popescu	ya. it's ridiculous that girls always get lured to the red light on the theory of FORTUNE and RICHES. except... possibly the worst paying racket there is.	[05:01]
vragnaroda	[21:54] < prime> \| If i can dontate 1/23 of a penny to a homeless person, why not <-- It teaches them dependency!	[05:02]
prime	We are all dependent	[05:02]
Blitzboom	what’s wrong if dependency	[05:02]
vragnaroda	Also, that 45% figure is complete horseshit.	[05:02]
PaulZag	most of the working girls I knew started one night, broke and desparate.	[05:02]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: What's wrong with cancer?	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	do not dispute percents given on the internet vragnaroda	[05:02]
smickles	the beggars on the streets of columba MO make 60$ per day	[05:02]
mircea_popescu	the internet authority for values will getcher.	[05:03]
Blitzboom	vragnaroda: i don’t know. even cancer is dependant	[05:03]
prime	do i really need to google for you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States	[05:03]
PaulZag	I knew a 48yo street walker who did it coz she made 150K and took 3-4 cruises a year.	[05:03]
BohemianHacks	smickles... how do you know about columbia MO?	[05:03]
prime	And yes, im wrong	[05:03]
prime	:)	[05:03]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:03]
smickles	i own property there BohemianHacks	[05:03]
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BohemianHacks	... i live 30 min from there	[05:03]
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stochastic_	50% of people considered living in poverty own their own home	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	Most Americans (58.5%) will spend at least one year below the poverty line at some point between ages 25 and 75.	[05:04]
mircea_popescu	so it really is more like two thirds.	[05:04]
stochastic_	90% have cable television	[05:04]
prime	so im still wrong	[05:04]
freedomfestival_	::gpg eauth	[05:04]
BohemianHacks	stochastic_ no one owns their home in the US	[05:04]
freedomfestival_	lol	[05:04]
stochastic_	true	[05:04]
stochastic_	"owns"	[05:04]
stochastic_	no one owns their own home anywhere	[05:05]
BohemianHacks	there you go :D	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	anyway, romania average income is ~7200. minimum wage like 3k.	[05:05]
stochastic_	lease is a better way	[05:05]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: that are at some point in their lifetimes, sure. All that means is that we have high social mobility. ;p	[05:05]
PaulZag	all the working stiff's I knew in the "poorer" areas of Sydney had big screen TVs and drank a case of beer and pack a day. couldn't afford vegetables for their kids	[05:05]
PaulZag	case of beer a week = 24	[05:05]
stochastic_	the ones that are socially mobile are ones that can make priorities	[05:05]
vragnaroda	PaulZag: But more importantly, did they know how to use apostrophes?	[05:05]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[05:06]
vragnaroda	Also, a case of beer a week isn't that much.	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	i have yet to drink a case of beer this lifetime	[05:06]
stochastic_	yea, in vietnam it is a day	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	i think i'm stuck on bottle #5 or something.	[05:06]
vragnaroda	Yeah, I don't drink much beer, either, but I know people that go through a lot more than a case a week.	[05:06]
prime	I smoke allot of cannabis	[05:06]
mircea_popescu	sickies :D	[05:07]
freedomfestival_	how the f do i open a private chat with gribble from this web interface?	[05:07]
vragnaroda	I love the ones that buy 4-packs of Red Bull at gas stations with food stamps.	[05:07]
prime	About an ounce every 3 weeks	[05:07]
*	smickles could do with a beer right now :/	[05:07]
vragnaroda	prime: *a lot, and don't discuss that in-channel.	[05:07]
h4ckm3	looking to hire a really experienced net security consultant PM me	[05:07]
prime	Sorry	[05:07]
mircea_popescu	freedomfestival_ : try /query gribble	[05:07]
*	smickles knows that beer isn't in the budget right now tho	[05:07]
prime	I am legal any how	[05:08]
mircea_popescu	smickles is such a darling srsly :)	[05:08]
prime	and its lress dangerous than beer. healthier also..	[05:08]
vragnaroda	Actually, my brother bought beer and left some in the fridge before he went back to Virginia.	[05:08]
vragnaroda	He'll be back here this weekend some time, but I think I'm going to finish it off before then.	[05:08]
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mircea_popescu	means you owe him an ounce of pot.	[05:08]
smickles	;;calc 2/[ticker --last]	[05:08]
gribble	0.407331145965	[05:08]
smickles	someone send me .4 btc and I can buy a 6 pack	[05:09]
prime	matter of fact, it isnt addictive	[05:09]
smickles	181pdTJx16VwHW1sLurpwYAa4f79SSQ2br	[05:09]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: He has a job that's anal about piss tests, so lol, no.	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	jesus.	[05:09]
*	mircea_popescu never took a piss test.	[05:09]
vragnaroda	prime: In the quantities I consume it, nor is alcohol.	[05:09]
h4ckm3	looking to hire a really experienced net security consultant PM me (forgot to mention that I will pay well BTC) :)	[05:10]
prime	Sure	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	h4ckm3 what's your definition of really experienced and what do you need done ?	[05:10]
h4ckm3	I just want an experienced perspective, general questions, some what ifs, some: this is what I do can this be improved...	[05:12]
smickles	extra budgetary beer	[05:12]
prime	In all fairness, some people just have an addictive personality. In any case, i figure it would be best those types of people avoid alcohol all together. Can be lethal	[05:12]
vragnaroda	But can they spell ‹a lot› and ‹altogether›?	[05:13]
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prime	Nascar	[05:13]
smickles	EBB	[05:14]
*	vragnaroda will keep beating this dead horse.	[05:14]
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smickles	vragnaroda: arn't you going to point out that NASCAR is an acronym and should be all caps?	[05:14]
ircWALK	i was scrolling up. i dont see why a hooker cant make 100$/day easy /if she does her own promotion/, and doesn't rely on pimps	[05:14]
prime	lol	[05:15]
vragnaroda	smickles: That's a styleguide issue. There are Englishes where that's not the norm so I let it slide.	[05:15]
LovE_HaNoDe	I want to hide my iP	[05:15]
vragnaroda	LovE_HaNoDe: You came to the wrong place then. ;p	[05:15]
ircWALK	LovE_HaNoDe; google tor freenode	[05:15]
mircea_popescu	ircWALK : it gets complicated real fast.	[05:15]
*	smickles now has a log of LovE_HaNoDe's ip	[05:15]
vragnaroda	LovE_HaNoDe: The simple and half-ass solution is to ask in #freenode for a cloak (but like I said, that's only a half-ass measure).	[05:16]
ircWALK	well im guessing girls get forced into paying tax to pimps	[05:16]
imsaguy	yes, go for a full-ass solution	[05:16]
prime	A small 0.0005 tax	[05:16]
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imsaguy	i was scrolling up. i dont see why a hooker cant make 100$/day easy << clearly you frequent the wrong hookers	[05:17]
vragnaroda	Btw, did anyone else listen to the oral arguments in the ObamaCare case?	[05:17]
prime	Plus, money technically wouldn't be changing hands.	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	ircWALK depends, a clever girl that does mostly escort (ie, keeps herself clean and goes after the richer clients) can make good money, there was recently a case of a bncha girls working as a ring.	[05:17]
ircWALK	i dont use hookers. have no idea of the prices	[05:17]
vragnaroda	imsaguy: There's a lot of regional variation (or so Id' imagine).	[05:17]
mircea_popescu	however, it still gets complicated.	[05:17]
smickles	vragnaroda: I didn't have a chance, but the excerpts I read made it sound like a circus	[05:17]
vragnaroda	smickles: It was pretty funny.	[05:18]
imsaguy	vragnaroda: $100 isn't much, regardless of where you are	[05:18]
prime	When you have a judge using right wing talking points, gets a little weird.	[05:18]
vragnaroda	smickles: prime clearly did not listen to it.	[05:18]
ircWALK	yea. if i was a dumb girl, id be going after rich guys. no cheap fucks at all. tbh, housewife seems like the best plan for alot of girls	[05:18]
prime	Im talking about a couple days ago	[05:18]
mircea_popescu	prolly is./	[05:18]
smickles	ircWALK: Well, I can tell you househusband is no walk in the park	[05:19]
prime	its ‹a lot› ircwalk	[05:19]
prime	duh	[05:19]
vragnaroda	:)	[05:19]
vragnaroda	You even copypasted my quotes. That's lovely. :D	[05:20]
ircWALK	i intentinoally spelt it wrong to get a rise out of you	[05:20]
ircWALK	i saw the earlier comment	[05:20]
ircWALK	actually no wait, i lie	[05:20]
ircWALK	i make that mistake too much	[05:20]
ircWALK	:/	[05:20]
vragnaroda	Ew @ spelt.	[05:20]
Blitzboom	goddamn it vragnaroda	[05:20]
smickles	vrag wins	[05:20]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: Both my names in vain?	[05:20]
vragnaroda	:o	[05:20]
ircWALK	meh, i know i can spell and use grammar better than most anyway	[05:21]
ircWALK	i knew alot was actually a lot, its just a bad habit now	[05:21]
ircWALK	but spelt i didn't actually know. thanks for the tip-off	[05:22]
h4ckm3	^ alot isn't a word///	[05:22]
h4ckm3	:P	[05:22]
BohemianHacks	You can always tell when someone isn't too bright when they claim their grammar is better than most.	[05:22]
copumpkin	spelt is a word in two different ways	[05:22]
copumpkin	that I know of, anyway	[05:22]
BohemianHacks	my grammar is shit	[05:23]
ircWALK	my grammar is shit but im guessin its better than most	[05:23]
copumpkin	ಠ_ಠ	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	my gramar rules you all.	[05:23]
vragnaroda	‹spelt› is a word and is even proper; where it's proper, though, ‹spelled› is, too, and ‹spelled› is better. :p	[05:23]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: Hey, you speak a fucked-up language with a couple dozen vowels spread parsely between mouthfuls of complicated consonant clusters. Do you think you could pronounce /ʔe᷄t̪ʰi̋kt͡ɬɑ̀θȁɟɹūcɟc͡çīgʊ᷅ŋt͡pfɛ̌ʁɜ̏fzɱnə̄ktǐpʰɪ̋ɸmɛ̄ɕìgámpɳe̋ʑʐi̊ɱfɸǐʂɹìbɑ̃᷄d̪/?	[05:23]
copumpkin	vragnaroda: I mean as a noun, too	[05:23]
ircWALK	ah, no wonder i haven't been corrected on that in the past then	[05:24]
Blitzboom	no	[05:24]
vragnaroda	copumpkin: Yes, and for that use, there's no substitute.	[05:24]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: :-(	[05:24]
ircWALK	BohemianHacks: and its just occrams razor or w/e. its not a sign of being dumb	[05:24]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: Do you think you could?	[05:24]
Blitzboom	i don’t think i know half of that stuff	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	i could point out grammar is not amatter of pronounciation.	[05:25]
copumpkin	*grammer	[05:25]
Blitzboom	gremma*	[05:25]
ircWALK	anyway its ridiculously elitist to care about grammar/spelling	[05:25]
vragnaroda	They have little to do with each other.	[05:25]
copumpkin	meager	[05:25]
ircWALK	when you are speaking in a casual environment that is	[05:25]
vragnaroda	ircWALK: *élitist	[05:25]
vragnaroda	:P	[05:25]
copumpkin	ircWALK: some of us are the élite, so can you really blame us for being élitist?	[05:26]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: Do you think you could pronounce that?	[05:26]
*	copumpkin adjusts his monocle	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	possibly on the 13th try or something.	[05:26]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: do you speak english as fluently as you write it?	[05:26]
prime	* Cough Reddit *	[05:26]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin actually im better orally.	[05:26]
vragnaroda	:)	[05:26]
ircWALK	i bet you are	[05:27]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: did she say that?	[05:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[05:27]
copumpkin	it seems to me like the kind of thing she would say	[05:27]
copumpkin	but perhaps I am wrong	[05:27]
vragnaroda	I could almost pronounce that but the tones completely fuck me up.	[05:28]
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smickles	vragnaroda: my favorite part: GENERAL VERRILLI: If they pay the tax, then they are in compliance with the law. JUSTICE BREYER: Why do you keep saying it's a tax?	[05:29]
vragnaroda	Meh, that was stupid.	[05:29]
smickles	it's funny b/c verrilli's best argument hinged on it not being a tax	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin who's she tho ?	[05:30]
vragnaroda	Their argument was a bit schizophrenic, though, so it was to be expected.	[05:30]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: beats me!	[05:30]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin i didn't know you swung that way.	[05:31]
vragnaroda	smickles: Yes and no. Not at that part of the argument and not on that issue. He was arguing that for considering some point of law, it was a tax, and for considering another point of law, it was not.	[05:31]
copumpkin	I swing all ways but one	[05:31]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda the guy had the most foolish job in the history of common law.	[05:32]
vragnaroda	I don't know about that. There have been some pretty foolish ones.	[05:32]
imsaguy	copumpkin: straight?	[05:32]
copumpkin	as an arrow	[05:32]
smickles	vragnaroda: well, from my laymans perspective, if you need it to be a tax from this perspective, and not tax from that perspective, you loose b/c you cannot have your cake and eat it too :P	[05:33]
imsaguy	<+copumpkin> I swing all ways but one << I was answering, not asking.	[05:33]
imsaguy	or something	[05:33]
*	smickles forgot an apostrophe	[05:33]
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copumpkin	I was asking	[05:33]
imsaguy	I always fail.	[05:33]
copumpkin	I fail with a probability of 53%	[05:34]
safra	hi	[05:34]
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smickles	copumpkin: you can win wars with that success rate	[05:34]
LordCanti	;;gpg eauth LordCanti	[05:34]
safra	i need LR, anyone can help?	[05:34]
vragnaroda	smickles: Well, the law often provides different definitions in different contexts (and often in case law, too) but not in this case (at least not yet, that's what they were trying to get the court to do but I don't think they're going to bite).	[05:35]
BohemianHacks	hai guyz i herd u liek moniez and stuff? how does 1 get moar of itz?	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	smickles : there's a little wiggle room in there, given that definitions are possibly in conflict.	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	jesus he beat me to it.	[05:35]
smickles	mircea_popescu: with more words too	[05:35]
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mircea_popescu	yeah...	[05:36]
prime	what does this mean to glbse? http://www.reddit.com/r/investing/comments/rv0c9/the_jobs_act_signed_into_law_today_legalizes/	[05:36]
imsaguy	BohemianHacks, if you're going to talk like danieldaniel, you can get banned like danieldaniel	[05:36]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: There's no precedent defining whether something's a tax for the interpretation of Article I of the Constitution and there's no statutory definition of tax outside the revenue code itself (which it did not meet).	[05:36]
danieldaniel	imsaguy: I just got on	[05:36]
danieldaniel	Literally, 2 seconds ago	[05:36]
smickles	prime: I like to think it makes it legal	[05:36]
danieldaniel	XD	[05:36]
*	smickles is a dreamer	[05:36]
BohemianHacks	imsaguy: hahaha, glad someone noticed	[05:37]
safra	imsaguym do you have LR?	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	vragnaroda i am aware.	[05:37]
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imsaguym	no	[05:37]
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mircea_popescu	which is why i say there's a little wiggle room	[05:38]
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imsaguy	you always want a little wiggle room, otherwise its uncomfortable	[05:38]
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safra	i need LR, paying by btc	[05:39]
smickles	I think we understand	[05:39]
smickles	;;gettrust safra	[05:39]
gribble	Trust relationship from user smickles to user safra: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=smickles&dest=safra	[05:39]
smickles	:(	[05:40]
safra	what is that means?	[05:40]
safra	i'v just download this IRC client, i am on ubuntu, i am not used to it	[05:41]
imsaguy	I just gave my dog cotton candy	[05:41]
imsaguy	he doesn't know how to eat it	[05:41]
BohemianHacks	man, I wish I had cotton candy	[05:42]
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vragnaroda	imsaguy: With chocolate, duh.	[05:46]
seco	safra: i can sell you some if you dont find anyone else :)	[05:46]
imsaguy	well, the dissolving in his mouth is new to him	[05:46]
imsaguy	so everytime he licks, he freaks out	[05:46]
vragnaroda	You've never given him Pop Rocks?	[05:47]
imsaguy	nope	[05:47]
vragnaroda	I've never seen a dog with Pop Rocks; I think I'd like to see that.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	lol at noob dog	[05:47]
imsaguy	he's named Forrest for a reason	[05:47]
vragnaroda	A fetish for rotund Southern gentlemen?	[05:48]
imsaguy	Forrest, Jenny & Lt. Dan	[05:48]
BohemianHacks	Youtube probably has poprock dogs.	[05:48]
vragnaroda	Yes, it seems to.	[05:49]
imsaguy	they rearranged youtube again	[05:49]
safra	;;gettrust seco	[05:49]
vragnaroda	OK, if it's all like http://youtu.be/ew9FLg4MmC8 , it's not as cool as I'd expected.	[05:49]
vragnaroda	They don't seem to freak out and they seem to like them.	[05:51]
vragnaroda	That ruins it.	[05:51]
BohemianHacks	lame	[05:51]
BohemianHacks	"oh, its food..."	[05:51]
BohemianHacks	scarfs all of it	[05:51]
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imsaguy	I watched that video as well	[05:54]
imsaguy	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBS6zBjcf6Q	[05:54]
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imsaguy	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBS6zBjcf6Q	[05:57]
imsaguy	oops	[05:57]
imsaguy	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9EMce11LnI	[05:57]
Blitzboom	that’s an old one	[05:58]
Blitzboom	and shopped i believe	[05:58]
rg	i keep passing out	[05:59]
rg	at the keyboard	[05:59]
BohemianHacks	It seems everyone in all three of my irc channels is passing out	[06:01]
BohemianHacks	sooooo dead	[06:01]
rg	your irc channels	[06:01]
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rg	you cant like own irc.... Man	[06:01]
vragnaroda	lol, three	[06:01]
rg	its gods irc	[06:01]
vragnaroda	If God wanted man to own IRC, he wouldn't have created it Himself!	[06:02]
Blitzboom	rg = rapeghost?	[06:02]
BohemianHacks	rg lol	[06:02]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: 네	[06:03]
vragnaroda	pebbles: "네"?	[06:03]
pebbles	vragnaroda: "Four" (ko to en, translate.google.com)	[06:03]
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Blitzboom	i have rapghost as a scammer in memory	[06:03]
vragnaroda	Blitzboom: That means yes.	[06:03]
vragnaroda	He's an asshole but not a scammer.	[06:03]
Blitzboom	is he also bitghost?	[06:04]
vragnaroda	I don't think so.	[06:05]
Blitzboom	ok, then my mistake	[06:05]
rg	hm	[06:06]
rg	you have insulted my honor	[06:06]
vragnaroda	lolwut	[06:06]
Blitzboom	i still don’t like you	[06:06]
vragnaroda	lol	[06:06]
BohemianHacks	I like you	[06:07]
BohemianHacks	its ok	[06:07]
BohemianHacks	oh wait, nvm you are that guy that sucks	[06:07]
copumpkin	lol	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	jesus i go away for ten minutes, when im back the chan is in shambles	[06:08]
mircea_popescu	what is wrong with you people!	[06:08]
rg	did you know switzerland used to be a military power	[06:08]
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rg	;;seen bitgost	[06:10]
gribble	I have not seen bitgost.	[06:10]
rg	;;seen bitghost	[06:10]
gribble	bitghost was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 1 year, 0 weeks, 0 days, 14 hours, 54 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: Well, I gotta go, ill see you guys later.	[06:10]
rg	;;getrating bitghost	[06:10]
gribble	User BitGhost, created on Sun Feb 27 14:03:30 2011. Cumulative rating -3, from 7 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 5 negative. Sent ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=BitGhost Currently not authenticated.	[06:10]
Blitzboom	exactly 1 year ago	[06:10]
Blitzboom	coincidence?!	[06:10]
mircea_popescu	yes i knew that rg.	[06:11]
rg	Blitzboom: he's negative rated for 1 BTC	[06:12]
rg	i dont think id consider him a scammer	[06:12]
rg	larceny under $3	[06:13]
Blitzboom	he failed to honor a contract	[06:13]
Blitzboom	for me, that’s a scam	[06:13]
silvercoin	Hey guys, I am in need of 15 coins and need to pay with pay pal if somsone can help thanks	[06:13]
BohemianHacks	;;getrating silvercoin	[06:14]
rg	i think i posted in the wrong forum topic	[06:14]
silvercoin	i will auth before*	[06:14]
rg	no one has used the 50% off coupon	[06:14]
rg	usually when i post coupons we getl ike 5-10 signups	[06:14]
rg	heh this dude on cops just crashed his motorcycle	[06:16]
rg	the cop is like HANDS UP ABOVE YOUR HEAD	[06:16]
rg	the dude just .. isnt moving	[06:16]
rg	looks dead	[06:16]
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silvercoin	no one can sell me 15 btc via pp	[06:20]
silvercoin	just checking before I post in the forums	[06:20]
rg	;;getrating silvercoin	[06:20]
gribble	User silvercoin, created on Sat Feb 11 12:48:10 2012. Cumulative rating 14, from 11 total ratings. Received ratings: 11 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 12 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=silvercoin Currently not authenticated.	[06:20]
rg	;;gettrust silvercoin	[06:21]
gribble	Trust relationship from user rg to user silvercoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 4 connections. Graph: http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=rg&dest=silvercoin	[06:21]
rg	what do you guys think	[06:21]
rg	should i?	[06:21]
pigeons	silvercoin: authenticate	[06:23]
silvercoin	yea i am	[06:23]
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pigeons	;;ident silvercoin	[06:23]
gribble	Nick 'silvercoin', with hostmask 'silvercoin!47442431@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.68.36.49', is not identified.	[06:23]
silvercoin	my password is very complex so I usually wiat until I know someone will trade	[06:23]
silvercoin	I am= i will	[06:23]
rg	well you have someone now	[06:24]
silvercoin	ok one sec thank you	[06:24]
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prime	how does mpoe-etf make bitcoin? I dont get it	[06:24]
rg	just set your password to asdfghjkl;'	[06:24]
rg	that way you can zip through the whole row	[06:24]
rg	the enter key is even at the end	[06:24]
rg	thats to root password to every bitvps server	[06:24]
pigeons	i set mine to "incorrect", so when i forget it, the app tells me	[06:25]
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rg	;;rate silvercoin 1 didnt rip me off yet	[06:29]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user silvercoin has been recorded.	[06:29]
silvercoin	lol	[06:29]
silvercoin	;;rate rg 1 my pp for his BTC	[06:30]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user rg has been recorded.	[06:30]
silvercoin	I'm in here all the time buying random amounts...no interest in ripping anyone off	[06:30]
silvercoin	but I understand, I got shat on myself for about 150$ pp	[06:30]
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silvercoin	I'd much rather be able to come in here whenever and buy what I need than to rip anyone off, I always get hooked up in here by someone so I appriciate everyone taking risks with PP, the scammers ruin it for everyone	[06:31]
silvercoin	thanks again rg	[06:32]
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rg	mhm	[06:32]
rg	im keeping track of every sale now	[06:33]
rg	so i can keep better records	[06:33]
rg	cause i need to have straight numbers if people are gonan buy 10% of my company	[06:33]
mircea_popescu	silvercoin> I'd much rather be able to come in here whenever and buy what I need than to rip anyone off, << that;'s the spirit.	[06:33]
rg	i certainly wouldnt want to buy 10% of something if you couldnt tell me what 10% of it was worth	[06:33]
bougyman	it's always worth whatever you're willing to pay for it, of course.	[06:34]
rg	;;calc 12.37 * 5	[06:35]
gribble	61.85	[06:35]
rg	;;ticker	[06:35]
gribble	Best bid: 4.9123, Best ask: 4.91279, Bid-ask spread: 0.00049, Last trade: 4.9123, 24 hour volume: 37234, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.93	[06:35]
MBS	anyone want to buy some itunes gift cards or a kimsufi dedicated server?	[06:35]
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smickles	<+rg> i certainly wouldnt want to buy 10% of something if you couldnt tell me what 10% of it was worth << sounds like the topic is MPOE?	[06:45]
smickles	;)	[06:45]
smickles	j/k/	[06:45]
mircea_popescu	haha	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	actually the way it'sgoing smickles you might end up with like 2mn shares.	[06:46]
pigeons	;;rated rg	[06:46]
gribble	You rated user rg on Sat Jan 21 09:01:11 2012, giving him a rating of 4, and supplied these additional notes: good guy.	[06:46]
prime	smickles, please tell me about your listing	[06:46]
smickles	prime: which one/	[06:47]
smickles	*?	[06:47]
pigeons	rg: you got your otc username changed?	[06:47]
smickles	isn't there a command to change your nick?	[06:47]
smickles	*-otc nick	[06:47]
pigeons	oh i didn't know that	[06:48]
smickles	I'm pretty sure there's one to change your fingerprint too	[06:48]
pigeons	i get quite confused with some people on the bitcointalk forums who change usernames frequently	[06:48]
smickles	mircea_popescu: I wouldn't mind 2mn shares, but for the record: it's the fund, not me :/	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	o, you mean you AREN'T running off with them come the weekend ?	[06:49]
smickles	pigeons: I don't understand that practice outside the realm of scammers	[06:49]
mircea_popescu	which kind of brings us to the greatness of etfs : unlike mining ventures, where people can (and have) just eloped with the goods, an etf manager really can;t do that	[06:50]
smickles	mircea_popescu: only b/c Atlantic City isn't what it used to be	[06:50]
mircea_popescu	lol you live in ny ?	[06:50]
smickles	naw, eastern NC	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	i think that's worse	[06:51]
smickles	Atlantic city is closer than vegas, or even biloxi	[06:51]
smickles	i think?	[06:51]
smickles	maybe i'm wrong about biloxi	[06:51]
mircea_popescu	so what does one do in eastern north C ?	[06:52]
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smickles	mircea_popescu: irc	[06:52]
smickles	with beer	[06:52]
mircea_popescu	i see.	[06:53]
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smickles	meh, mircea_popescu it's goldsboro, nc	[06:53]
mircea_popescu	37k, basically has two hookers and everyone knows them by name ?>	[06:53]
smickles	look at it on the map and see how it's convieniently 1 hr away from Raliegh and 1 hr away from the beach	[06:53]
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mircea_popescu	Goldsboro is best known as home to Seymour Johnson Air Force Base.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	ahahahaha o boy.	[06:54]
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smickles	and I live on base	[06:54]
smickles	there is one good bar	[06:54]
smickles	mostly, recreation is "hanging out with friends"	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	There were 14,630 households out of which 32.1% had children under the age of 18 living with them, 41.1% were married couples living together, 20.4% had a female householder with no husband present, and 35.3% were non-families.	[06:54]
mircea_popescu	what the fuck is this, either "non-families" or "unmarried female" ?	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	how about it's either "one cool dude" and "failed she-being" ffs.	[06:55]
smickles	non-families = roomates?	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	im just saying the male householder is annoyingly absent from that steaming pile.	[06:56]
smickles	that's called jail	[06:56]
mircea_popescu	is it illegal in the us now, for men to actually come first anywhere ?	[06:56]
vragnaroda	[23:54] <+ smickles> \| and I live on base \| [23:54] <+ smickles> \| there is one good bar <-- Nope.	[06:56]
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mircea_popescu	maybe your and his criteria for good bars vary ?	[06:56]
smickles	vragnaroda: oh? don't count the pool hall as a bar :P	[06:57]
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prime	MPOE-etf	[06:57]
vragnaroda	If you live on anything that can be called a base, there are no good bars within 300 miles.	[06:57]
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mircea_popescu	is this uniform army code ?	[06:57]
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BTCHero	vrag doesn't like solidiers, unpatriotic bastard	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	In the city the population was spread out with 25.1% under the age of 18, 11.4% from 18 to 24, 29.8% from 25 to 44, 20.0% from 45 to 64, and 13.7% who were 65 years of age or older.	[06:58]
BTCHero	just wait till them darn terrorists come to get you	[06:58]
mircea_popescu	so there's a serious lack in the juicy tits & ass demographic.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	ofcourse no good bars.	[06:59]
Jackten	;;eauth Jackten	[06:59]
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vragnaroda	BTCHero: lolwut	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	The per capita income for the city was $16,614.	[06:59]
vragnaroda	BTCHero: I was a fucking soldier.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	that'd be the other reason...	[06:59]
BTCHero	he also hates himself	[07:00]
vragnaroda	lol	[07:00]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda did you get a rifle too, or just the gun ? :D	[07:00]
smickles	prime: MPOE ETF raises funds to buy MPOE stock, it then pays a dividend based on the dividend received from MPOE. It retains some of the MPOE dividend for expenses, management fee's and capital aimed at secondary market purchases. Every time MPOE makes more of it's shares outstanding, MPOE.ETF will issue more shares to raise funds to buy some.	[07:00]
smickles	prime, I've got to be off now. Please pm me any further questions or post them here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67535.0	[07:01]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: Specifically, I was a mortarman and it's OK to call mortars guns. ;/	[07:01]
phantomcircuit	smickles, so why not just buy MPOE?	[07:01]
mircea_popescu	awww! my fizzled jab!	[07:02]
smickles	phantomcircuit: the MPOE.ETF is likely to have a more active secondary market	[07:02]
phantomcircuit	smickles, ah	[07:02]
phantomcircuit	fair enough	[07:02]
mircea_popescu	a general point with etfs, why not just buy the underlying	[07:03]
mircea_popescu	well... usually etfs are more convenient.	[07:03]
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copumpkin	Chaang-Noi: how long does the honey usually take to arrive, by the way?	[07:08]
Chaang-Noi	1 to 2 weeks	[07:09]
Greed	Honey?	[07:09]
copumpkin	cool, thanks	[07:09]
copumpkin	mmm	[07:09]
Chaang-Noi	let me know how it arives.	[07:09]
Greed	You sell honey, Chaang-Noi?	[07:09]
copumpkin	sure thing :D	[07:09]
Chaang-Noi	im a bit worried my packaging was not good enough :/	[07:09]
Chaang-Noi	if it was not let me know and i will send you a new one or give you a full refund.	[07:09]
cypherdoc	anyone here with experience with ubuntu and mining?	[07:09]
copumpkin	sure, will do, thanks :D	[07:09]
Chaang-Noi	yes i do greed	[07:10]
Greed	How do I buy said honey	[07:10]
copumpkin	Greed: there's a forum thread	[07:10]
Chaang-Noi	i have a forum post, let me try to find it	[07:10]
Greed	I'm driven to buy from you just because you have my name in your username	[07:10]
Jackten	what's the command for killing an order on the books?	[07:10]
copumpkin	Greed: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68747.0	[07:10]
Chaang-Noi	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=68747.0	[07:11]
Chaang-Noi	yeah thanks :)	[07:11]
Greed	Jackten: ;;remove	[07:11]
Jackten	thankyou!	[07:11]
Chaang-Noi	chaang-noi?	[07:11]
Chaang-Noi	is your name?	[07:11]
copumpkin	?	[07:11]
Chaang-Noi	I'm driven to buy from you just because you have my name in your username ?	[07:12]
copumpkin	Chang maybe?	[07:12]
Greed	It pings me every time you say something	[07:12]
Greed	"Noi"	[07:12]
copumpkin	:O	[07:12]
netxshare	hrm	[07:12]
netxshare	www.nope.com	[07:12]
Greed	'swhy I asked if you were Thai / Cambodian that one time Chaang-Noi	[07:12]
Chaang-Noi	yeah I live in thailand but im from the usa	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	chaang noi is my thai nick name	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	cuz im big :/	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	big for thai people	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	noi means small	[07:13]
Chaang-Noi	channg means elephant	[07:13]
vragnaroda	Oh God, you chose to go to Thailand? >:o	[07:13]
Greed	Thailand is nice	[07:14]
mircea_popescu	that's where all the hot girls are.	[07:14]
Greed	And cheap too	[07:14]
copumpkin	I'd choose to go to Thailand	[07:14]
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Jackten	pelican, you here?	[07:14]
Chaang-Noi	thailand is cheap, good beaches, good weather, good girls, good food.	[07:14]
vragnaroda	Ugh, but you'd hear people speaking Thai!	[07:14]
Chaang-Noi	i speak thai	[07:14]
vragnaroda	The only language that sounds uglier than Thai that I can think of is Vietnamese.	[07:14]
Chaang-Noi	okay, well then i guess thailand is not for everyone	[07:15]
copumpkin	Vietnamese has some really interesting sounds in it	[07:15]
Jackten	how do I convince gribble to stop ignoring me?	[07:15]
Greed	I would live in Cambodia if more of them spoke French	[07:15]
Greed	But not many do	[07:15]
Greed	Can't be arsed to learn the language	[07:15]
vragnaroda	copumpkin: Interesting is an interesting term for it.	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	maybe its time for some colonisation ? MAKE THEM learn it!!1	[07:15]
cypherdoc	Chaang-Noi: can i rent a smartphone out there while traveling?	[07:16]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: now, that sounds like a plan!	[07:16]
Jackten	pelican, if you can read this, type something	[07:16]
a5m0	anyone selling VCC?	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	mircea_popescu: now, that sounds like a pain! << you don't say.	[07:16]
vragnaroda	:)	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	anyway, is anyone interested in hearing what i think is the best sorta-english pun of all time ?	[07:17]
vragnaroda	Sure, it's post-watershed.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	General Sir Charles James Napier was sent to pacify some indian tribes with clear orders not to expand British territory.	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	a week later he sent a military dispatch saying	[07:18]
mircea_popescu	peccavi.	[07:18]
vragnaroda	It coming from you, I thought it was going to be something else. :/	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	tsk tsk. don't stereotype.	[07:19]
vragnaroda	No, it would be a stereotype if it were “Yuropeans are like this.” It's not a stereotype. mircea_popescu is like that. :p	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	orly.	[07:19]
mircea_popescu	justbecause i have a chan and so forth! unfair!	[07:20]
vragnaroda	:D	[07:20]
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Chaang-Noi	sorry for the late responce, i do not know if you can rent a smart phone. you can buy one and then sell it back however	[07:22]
cypherdoc	how much do i lose on the sell back?	[07:23]
Chaang-Noi	cypherdoc we have all the tech here you would find in the usa	[07:23]
Chaang-Noi	depends on the phone	[07:23]
Chaang-Noi	best way would be to buy a used phone	[07:23]
Chaang-Noi	i would say not more than $50 to $100	[07:24]
Chaang-Noi	lost	[07:24]
Chaang-Noi	but depends on the phone and how much you abuse it	[07:24]
cypherdoc	my son is going to be travelling in Thailand, Cambodia, Vietnam. best if he had one phone for the whole trip	[07:24]
Chaang-Noi	yeah, you can change the sim cards here	[07:24]
Chaang-Noi	just go to a differnt country and its like $3 for a card	[07:24]
cypherdoc	they're all cdma right?	[07:25]
Chaang-Noi	pay with phone credit with bitcoin at www.bahtcoin.com	[07:25]
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Chaang-Noi	i dont know enought about phones to say, i dont know what cdma is	[07:25]
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vragnaroda	spazzter!	[07:26]
splatster	vragnaroda: No soy un spaz!	[07:26]
splatster	More serve upgrades, ugh.	[07:26]
cypherdoc	wonder if an old Blackberry would work?	[07:26]
splatster	server*	[07:27]
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cypherdoc	anyone here mine using ubuntu?	[07:28]
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mircea_popescu	apparently not o.o	[07:29]
pelican	;;ident Jackten	[07:29]
MBS	cypherdoc, need a GSM phone	[07:31]
MBS	CDMA doesnt use sim cards	[07:32]
MBS	depends on the blackberry	[07:32]
cypherdoc	oh yeah	[07:32]
MBS	if it was at&t or t-mobile it should	[07:32]
cypherdoc	tmobile	[07:32]
MBS	though if it was t-mobile, if it will have 3g depends on the service it is used on	[07:32]
rg	gotta make wiki	[07:32]
cypherdoc	don't BB's req a data plan to work?	[07:32]
MBS	idk, havent used one	[07:33]
vragnaroda	splatster: Can you pronounce [ʔe᷄t̪ʰi̋kt͡ɬɑ̀θȁɟɹūcɟc͡çīgʊ᷅ŋt͡pfɛ̌ʁɜ̏fzɱnə̄ktǐpʰɪ̋ɸmɛ̄ɕìgámpɳe̋ʑʐi̊ɱfɸǐʂɹìbɑ̃᷄d̪]?	[07:33]
MBS	but im pretty sure at least sms and email wouldnt work	[07:33]
cypherdoc	guess it would be better to rent one with all those features	[07:34]
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splatster	vragnaroda: To be honest, I cannot. I blame my education for my lack of this knowledge.	[07:34]
nanotube	splatster: you should blame the fact that vragnaroda just made it up, actually :D	[07:34]
vragnaroda	nanotube: I didn't make IPA up!	[07:35]
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vragnaroda	I just use it.	[07:35]
splatster	I forgot to include to my previous message	[07:35]
MBS	anyone interested in straight talk sims/refills?	[07:35]
vragnaroda	Also, that unvoiced vowel, just pretend it's got a ᷅ on it, too.	[07:36]
vragnaroda	I forgot to mark the tone. :/	[07:36]
MBS	an awesome unlocked phone, (not cheap at all though) http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-Nexus-I9250-16GB-Unlocked-Android-4-0-1-2-GHz-dual-core-/200739106754?afepn=5335869999&campid=5335869999&PID=1225267#ht_3839wt_1168	[07:36]
*	mircea_popescu pictures vragnaroda going around the studio making parakeet noises.	[07:37]
cypherdoc	MBS: u selling that?	[07:37]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: Oh, just wait until I start adding sign language to it, too.	[07:38]
MBS	no, lol	[07:38]
MBS	well unless you wanted me to order from ebay for you and you pay in bitcoins, lol	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda you should consider changing your legal name to that.	[07:38]
mircea_popescu	yours will be the first name which requires a level 3 parcour license to pronounce.	[07:39]
cypherdoc	MBS: with an unlocked phone like that can u sign up for any carrier?	[07:39]
vragnaroda	Actually, I might make that the word for ‘no.’	[07:39]
MBS	any gsm carrier	[07:39]
vragnaroda	[ʔe᷄t̪ʰi̋kt͡ɬɑ̀θȁɟɹūcɟc͡çīgʊ᷅ŋt͡pfɛ̌ʁɜ̏fzɱnə̄ktǐpʰɪ̋ɸmɛ̄ɕìgámpɳe̋ʑʐi̊ɱfɸǐʂɹìbɑ̃᷄d̪] means [ʔe᷄t̪ʰi̋kt͡ɬɑ̀θȁɟɹūcɟc͡çīgʊ᷅ŋt͡pfɛ̌ʁɜ̏fzɱnə̄ktǐpʰɪ̋ɸmɛ̄ɕìgámpɳe̋ʑʐi̊ɱfɸǐʂɹìbɑ̃᷄d̪]!!	[07:39]
mircea_popescu	women giving your trouble ?	[07:39]
cypherdoc	so tmobile and att	[07:39]
vragnaroda	lol	[07:39]
MBS	in us pretty much just at&t or tmobile, though idk how supported tmobile will be on this phone, but probably fine since it has HSPA+	[07:40]
MBS	personally i would go with straight talk	[07:40]
cypherdoc	whats that?	[07:40]
MBS	with an AT&T sim (but thats because AT&T is better in my area)	[07:40]
MBS	they are a reseller for verizon, att, and tmobile	[07:40]
MBS	unlimited everything for $45	[07:40]
MBS	though data limiting is a bit different from normal	[07:41]
MBS	dont know about tmobile or verizon, but hear about 1.5-2gb is most you want to use on it monthly for att	[07:41]
cypherdoc	i'm on verizon with a bionic. not too good and they are stuck on gingerbread	[07:41]
phantomcircuit	http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2768095&cid=39584397	[07:41]
phantomcircuit	WE HAVE A WINNER	[07:41]
mircea_popescu	lol such bs	[07:42]
MBS	actually can be as cheap as $41.58/m if you prepay $499 for the year	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	i'd actually enjoy a global economiccollapse.	[07:42]
mircea_popescu	practically it will just mean no more welfare state for at least a century	[07:43]
cypherdoc	how's their service coverage?	[07:46]
BohemianHacks	How much per FPGA do you get from mining?	[07:47]
djoot	;;view	[07:47]
gribble	#7260 Thu Apr 5 21:45:58 2012 djoot SELL 10.0 BTC @ 33.278 SEK (bank transfer or cash, 10BTC or more)	[07:47]
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BohemianHacks	nvm googling it	[07:49]
MBS	cypherdoc, should be same as whatever carrier you use	[07:52]
MBS	dont think you can use CDMA phones without buying it from them, so pretty much between AT&T and t-mobile	[07:52]
MBS	though im not exactly sure what what do about 4g and etc on both	[07:53]
cypherdoc	does straight talk rent thru local carriers like verizon?	[07:53]
MBS	pretty much	[07:53]
MBS	actually straight talk is owned by tracfone	[07:53]
MBS	they use verizon, sprint, att, and t-mobile	[07:53]
cypherdoc	they have limited selection on phones	[07:53]
cypherdoc	i like my high end android :)	[07:54]
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BohemianHacks	So the time for investing in mining rigs is pretty much over isn't it?	[07:54]
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nanotube	unless price increases. :)	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	BohemianHacks not really. it's just most everyone is awating the tech jump to asic	[07:56]
BohemianHacks	Is there a calculator for mining in a mining pool?	[07:56]
BohemianHacks	Because i was looking at this http://fpgamining.com/	[07:56]
nanotube	;;bc,gen 1000000	[07:56]
gribble	The expected generation output, at 1000000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1626553.4813289 , is 0.618380146814 BTC per day and 0.0257658394506 BTC per hour.	[07:56]
MBS	cypherdoc, what im saying is that you can just get a sim from them for att or tmobile	[07:57]
MBS	and use them with any gsm phone (well that is unlocked or that matches carrier you choose)	[07:57]
Blitzboom	nanotube: if you speculate on a price increase, better buy BTC directly	[07:57]
BohemianHacks	and it would take 15 months to even pay it off	[07:57]
BohemianHacks	granted thats a free fpga but then its a mining specific fpga	[07:57]
nanotube	Blitzboom: yes well, buying hardware gives you some downside protection. (i.e. resale value of hw)	[07:58]
Blitzboom	= it’s for pussies	[07:58]
nanotube	iow, you'll gain less, but you'll also lose less.	[07:58]
nanotube	yes, also known as 'more risk averse people' :)	[07:58]
BohemianHacks	How much does a mining pool really help?	[07:58]
Blitzboom	right :D	[07:58]
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nanotube	hehe	[07:58]
nanotube	BohemianHacks: depending on your hash rate, it can provide significant smoothing of income.	[07:59]
BohemianHacks	400 Mh/s	[07:59]
BTCHero	definitely use a pool	[07:59]
cypherdoc	BohemianHacks: that for 2 chips	[07:59]
sdkljfksdfjklsdl	is it smart to link an email to bitcoinotc that enables finding out my real name? or does it not matter	[07:59]
BohemianHacks	I was using this calculator http://www.alloscomp.com/bitcoin/calculator.php	[07:59]
BohemianHacks	but i dont think that factors in a mining pool	[07:59]
nanotube	sdkljfksdfjklsdl: depends on your situation and your purposes.	[08:00]
nanotube	e.g., my irl name is easy to find.	[08:00]
nanotube	but if you want to stay anon for whatever reason, probably avoid it. :)	[08:00]
BohemianHacks	mine too	[08:00]
BohemianHacks	but my handle is the name of my business	[08:00]
BohemianHacks	a quick google of bohemianhacks finds out who i am	[08:00]
sdkljfksdfjklsdl	can anyone recommend an email service that is easy to forward to my real one?	[08:00]
BohemianHacks	google can	[08:01]
nanotube	BohemianHacks: the 'per day' thing is based on average income, which you can get either solo or in a pool.	[08:01]
BohemianHacks	so the pool doesn't help with income? it just makes it more stable?	[08:01]
nanotube	yes	[08:02]
BTCHero	what is the time to generate a block at 400 mh though? years?	[08:02]
nanotube	if a pool takes a fee, it even hurts	[08:02]
nanotube	;;bc,calc 400000	[08:02]
gribble	The average time to generate a block at 400000 Khps, given current difficulty of 1626553.4813289 , is 28 weeks, 6 days, 3 hours, 23 minutes, and 5 seconds	[08:02]
BTCHero	oh	[08:02]
nanotube	28 weeks	[08:02]
BohemianHacks	so every 28 weeks i would get 50 btc	[08:02]
nanotube	29 almost heh.	[08:02]
BTCHero	no	[08:02]
nanotube	BohemianHacks: on average.	[08:02]
nanotube	but you could get one tomorrow, or it could take a year.	[08:03]
BTCHero	you could die before you get one, or you could get one next hash	[08:03]
nanotube	random things are random.	[08:03]
BohemianHacks	gotcha	[08:03]
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mircea_popescu	sdkljfksdfjklsdl : i for instance use my office email.	[08:03]
nanotube	so that's why people pool - to get little bits more steadily	[08:03]
BohemianHacks	so mining pool ftw	[08:03]
BohemianHacks	Ive been looking to get an FPGA anyways	[08:03]
BohemianHacks	if you couldn't tell by the name im an electronics hacker	[08:04]
cypherdoc	nanotube: u have experience with ubuntu?	[08:04]
nanotube	cypherdoc: i'm on it as we speak	[08:04]
BohemianHacks	sudo make me a sandwich	[08:04]
nanotube	BohemianHacks: as long as you don't expect instant payback, sure hack away :)	[08:04]
cypherdoc	my server needs a client update. which version should i use?	[08:04]
nanotube	BohemianHacks: sudo make it yourself ;P	[08:05]
BohemianHacks	Thats what Im looking at, i dont have any money to make	[08:05]
BohemianHacks	er invest	[08:05]
BohemianHacks	always money to make	[08:05]
nanotube	cypherdoc: i'm running 11.10 atm.	[08:05]
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cypherdoc	nanotube: no, i mean bitcoin client version	[08:05]
splatster	I prefer sudo get money	[08:05]
BohemianHacks	trying to find the most profitable things to invest in, i think it would be best to just play with GLBSE	[08:05]
BohemianHacks	sudo wget money*	[08:06]
nanotube	cypherdoc: ah... i upgraded to 0.6.0 release yesterday.	[08:06]
splatster	heh	[08:06]
BTCHero	yeah, you could have bought shakurus offerings :)	[08:06]
BohemianHacks	and cheaper to invest	[08:06]
cypherdoc	nanotube: so it can act as a server, right?	[08:06]
nanotube	yes, there's bitcoind as well as bitcoin-qt gui.	[08:06]
nanotube	as always	[08:06]
BohemianHacks	$100 on GLBSE vs $560 fpga miner	[08:06]
BohemianHacks	and GLBSE would pay out faster	[08:07]
BTCHero	If you want to go that route wait until gigavps lists his	[08:07]
rg	MediaWiki has been successfully installed.	[08:07]
cypherdoc	which do i use?	[08:07]
rg	kewwwwwwww	[08:07]
nanotube	cypherdoc: for gui, use bitcoin-qt, if you want to run it as a service, run bitcoind.	[08:07]
sdkljfksdfjklsdl	cypherdoc, i had a question about your article. What is your take on what has happened to the money supply since 2008? You stated the fed hadn't printed enough to offset the contraction from the debt, but then you indicated that the banks had currently relevered even worse than before 2008	[08:07]
BohemianHacks	on average who has the best dividends on GLBSE?	[08:08]
cypherdoc	M2 up but shadow banking down; net contraction imo	[08:08]
sdkljfksdfjklsdl	shadow banking?	[08:08]
nanotube	BohemianHacks: dunno about all assets, but SS seems promising.	[08:09]
BohemianHacks	I dont seen any dividends listed though	[08:09]
splatster	Thanks nanotube :) FYI we just got some of the verifications done :)	[08:09]
BohemianHacks	I was thinking of investing after talking to swinkles	[08:09]
nanotube	it was just listed. the first div is gonna be apr 16 or so	[08:09]
splatster	BohemianHacks: We pay them out monthly.	[08:09]
nanotube	splatster: cool :)	[08:09]
BohemianHacks	whats the payout per share looking like?	[08:10]
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splatster	BohemianHacks: We are expecting to get 10-15% per month on invested funds.	[08:10]
mircea_popescu	BohemianHacks : get mpoe stocks :D	[08:11]
BohemianHacks	so 10 months to double my money on GLBSE vs 15 months to pay of an fpga	[08:11]
BohemianHacks	mircea_popescu	[08:12]
cypherdoc	sdkljfksdfjklsdl: derivatives	[08:12]
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mircea_popescu	also, fpga might well not last 15 months / glbse corps ocasionally implode.	[08:12]
BohemianHacks	what are your dividends like?	[08:12]
splatster	One thing that is important to note: the first dividend will be smaller than our expected average (only about 2 weeks worth of interest) because of the financial month closes on the 15th, and several payments are due on the 17th.	[08:12]
BohemianHacks	and for the record my money is invested for now	[08:13]
mircea_popescu	BohemianHacks here, read the whole story http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/sa-ne-jucam-de-a-investitiile-n-bitcoini/#comment-78745	[08:13]
BohemianHacks	MU and JPL-BMD	[08:13]
BohemianHacks	I chose fairly randomly	[08:13]
BohemianHacks	I mean... i did lots of advanced calculations, you wouldn't understand	[08:13]
splatster	BohemianHacks: MU?! They sold only like 70 BTC worth of shares and they keep 65% of the profits!	[08:14]
rg	;;ticker	[08:14]
gribble	Best bid: 4.93072, Best ask: 4.9339, Bid-ask spread: 0.00318, Last trade: 4.93072, 24 hour volume: 38729, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.935	[08:14]
rg	does anyone want to buy 12 BTC for ppusd?	[08:14]
BohemianHacks	so ill sell my shares and reinvest :D	[08:14]
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BohemianHacks	and then like a noob I realize someone has to actually buy my shares	[08:16]
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BohemianHacks	I am so pro at this stock thing, its not even funny	[08:17]
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cypherdoc	sdkljfksdfjklsdl: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/here-why-fed-will-have-do-least-another-36-trillion-quantitative-easing	[08:19]
BohemianHacks	OK, i have .45 BTC	[08:22]
BohemianHacks	who wants this massive investment?	[08:22]
Blitzboom	i do	[08:22]
BohemianHacks	How much money will you make me by monday morning?	[08:22]
Blitzboom	nothing, i just wanted free BTC	[08:22]
Blitzboom	:D	[08:23]
BohemianHacks	lol	[08:23]
splatster	BohemianHacks: Sorry, but S²CM shares were sold at 1 BTC each and have already doubled in value :)	[08:23]
BohemianHacks	Thats ok	[08:23]
Blitzboom	doubled in value? nice	[08:23]
BohemianHacks	I am going to make this work	[08:23]
rg	;;ident asoltys	[08:23]
gribble	Nick 'asoltys', with hostmask 'asoltys!~adam@li92-10.members.linode.com', is identified as user asoltys, with GPG key id A1027FED85A5CED3, and key fingerprint EDAC6CF3B91AC3AAC0F786E8A1027FED85A5CED3.	[08:23]
BohemianHacks	I will turn my 1BTC initial investment into... something worth more than 1BTC!	[08:23]
BohemianHacks	after... you know I cover my loss	[08:24]
BohemianHacks	when is RSM paying out?	[08:25]
cypherdoc	looks like we may get some action this weekend	[08:25]
Blitzboom	bitcoin? bitcoin is stable now	[08:26]
BohemianHacks	;;ticker	[08:26]
*	copumpkin checks his goat entrails	[08:26]
copumpkin	cypherdoc: I agree	[08:26]
BohemianHacks	Its looking that way	[08:26]
Blitzboom	copumpkin: 5 cent rally or crash?	[08:26]
cypherdoc	Wall St is closed tomorrow so the traders got nuttin to do	[08:27]
BohemianHacks	cypherdoc: You think RSM will pay out this weekend?	[08:27]
rg	;;getrating asoltys	[08:27]
gribble	User asoltys, created on Mon Apr 2 14:03:33 2012. Cumulative rating 2, from 2 total ratings. Received ratings: 2 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 3 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=asoltys Currently authenticated from hostmask asoltys!~adam@li92-10.members.linode.com	[08:27]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: I dunno, the goat entrails only tell me up or down. I'm gonna need my tea to tell you that	[08:27]
rg	;;rate asoltys 1 paypal for btc	[08:27]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user asoltys has been recorded.	[08:27]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: the tea says it'll be a 7 cent rally	[08:27]
cypherdoc	rsm?	[08:27]
Blitzboom	ok thanks	[08:27]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: that'll be 5 btc	[08:27]
BohemianHacks	oh nvm	[08:27]
Blitzboom	:D	[08:27]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: I have a twitter account if you'd like more of what you just heard	[08:28]
copumpkin	*read	[08:28]
Blitzboom	sure, send them to 12CmgPvDVpYEDLfuCaheozzqxxFs6g4oK6	[08:28]
BohemianHacks	Ok	[08:30]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: done	[08:30]
BohemianHacks	unless someone else has a better option im going to get one share of PUREMINING	[08:30]
BohemianHacks	3	[08:30]
BohemianHacks	2	[08:30]
*	copumpkin yawns	[08:30]
BohemianHacks	1	[08:31]
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copumpkin	bitbond is clearly superior	[08:31]
Blitzboom	copumpkin: olol, you didn’t have to pay fee for that?	[08:31]
BohemianHacks	searches for yawns	[08:31]
*	vragnaroda throws pebbles into copumpkin's mouth while he's yawning.	[08:31]
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copumpkin	Blitzboom: yeah, 10000 times	[08:31]
Blitzboom	this must be the smallest payment i’ve ever received	[08:31]
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mircea_popescu	* vragnaroda throws pebbles into copumpkin's mouth while he's yawning. << did this with a dime once :D	[08:31]
copumpkin	sounds like fun	[08:32]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: not anymore	[08:32]
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Blitzboom	hahaha	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	omg is he sending satoshis again ?	[08:32]
Blitzboom	yeah	[08:32]
copumpkin	lol	[08:32]
Blitzboom	let’s spam the network	[08:33]
copumpkin	that's my favorite pastime	[08:33]
copumpkin	you should ask luke-jr	[08:33]
copumpkin	http://snapplr.com/bqft	[08:33]
copumpkin	and there are many pages of that shit	[08:33]
Blitzboom	oh god	[08:34]
Blitzboom	why	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	ya	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	why!	[08:34]
rg	;;calc 1.22 * .50	[08:34]
gribble	0.61	[08:34]
copumpkin	I was trying to help him find a race condition in his bitcoin	[08:34]
rg	;;calc 2.65 * .50	[08:34]
gribble	1.325	[08:34]
rg	;;calc 4.08 * .50	[08:35]
gribble	2.04	[08:35]
rg	;;calc 5.08 * .50	[08:35]
gribble	2.54	[08:35]
rg	;;calc 7.18 * .50	[08:35]
gribble	3.59	[08:35]
draco49	http://memearchive.net/memerial.net/3128/meanwhile-in-romania.jpg	[08:35]
rg	;;calc 8.15 * .50	[08:35]
gribble	4.075	[08:35]
Blitzboom	rg: have you heard of this query thing	[08:35]
rg	i have	[08:35]
copumpkin	oh wow, that's mircea_popescu	[08:35]
draco49	yup :P	[08:35]
vragnaroda	Or of this lrn2math thing?	[08:35]
copumpkin	Blitzboom: he just prefers to inform 339 other people of his calculations :)	[08:35]
vragnaroda	I mean, Jesus.	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	lmao teh haters.	[08:36]
copumpkin	mircea_popescu: nah, I love your mode of transportation	[08:36]
vragnaroda	Halving numbers in your head isn't hard!	[08:36]
BohemianHacks	after i get mining i should have more to play around with	[08:36]
Blitzboom	ok gn8	[08:36]
BohemianHacks	if my girlfriend ever gets off her computer...	[08:36]
Reece	Who does MP > BTC exchanges?	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	your gf gets off COMPUTERS ?!	[08:36]
BohemianHacks	jealous?	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	sell her omg	[08:36]
rg	Blitzboom is a nazi	[08:38]
Blitzboom	you are ku klux klan	[08:38]
draco49	I just hate people in general. I don't discriminate.	[08:38]
BohemianHacks	other than mudbloods	[08:39]
BohemianHacks	you hate them the most	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	you hate me ?!	[08:39]
draco49	lol	[08:39]
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draco49	Na, I can't pull off the "hater" role very well.	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	but i contribute half the sfw pics in this chan!	[08:39]
BohemianHacks	nsfw or sfw?	[08:40]
draco49	mircea_popescu, I don't you've EVER posted a SFW pic here :D	[08:40]
draco49	Not that I mind...	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	there you go hating on my differently-abled workspace ;/	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	but ftr i think i posted a financial ss at some point	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	granted it was sexah, but still.	[08:41]
BohemianHacks	Shameless self plug?	[08:41]
BohemianHacks	shameless self plug	[08:41]
BohemianHacks	http://www.facebook.com/pages/Bohemian-Hacks/265060563567659	[08:41]
mircea_popescu	facebook sux	[08:42]
BohemianHacks	Not for networking, free website with really good advertising built in	[08:42]
BohemianHacks	If you have never made a business page in facebook you are missing out. Its creepy how much facebook tells you.	[08:42]
draco49	mircea_popescu, at least you're not in Poland --> http://meanwhilepics.com/images/meanwhile/Meanwhile_In_Poland.jpg	[08:43]
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mircea_popescu	sometimes i go to poland...	[08:43]
draco49	Are those friends of yours?	[08:44]
vragnaroda		[08:44]
mircea_popescu	i think those are american tourists :D	[08:44]
draco49	lol	[08:44]
BohemianHacks	no, they are too thin	[08:44]
draco49	That one on the far right is danieldaniel	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	they be dealing meth to the natives	[08:45]
vragnaroda	That's either British or Communist bloc dental care.	[08:45]
draco49	I'm gonna go with Poland.	[08:45]
mircea_popescu	don't go too far with her.	[08:45]
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draco49	Not without American protection.	[08:46]
draco49	Made in China	[08:46]
draco49	:P	[08:46]
rg	hrm	[08:46]
rg	im creating a bitcoin wallet server	[08:46]
rg	so if you need a wallet, you order it from bitvps and it comes preconfigured with bitcoind + blockchain	[08:47]
rg	but its not liking my script	[08:47]
mircea_popescu	bitcoin-otc geopolitical jokes are kinda lame.	[08:47]
BohemianHacks	Im creating a bicoin wallet server, but I'm going to random take money from wallets and move them to other wallets.	[08:47]
BohemianHacks	so if you pay attention you could make money	[08:47]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: s/kinda lame/ignorant as fuck/	[08:48]
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mircea_popescu	im being europeanly diplomatic	[08:48]
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vragnaroda	You mean starting two world wars you're going to drag everyone else into?	[08:49]
MBS	yay someone bought my 360 assassins creed on amazon	[08:49]
rg	whas the name of the bitcoind client that uses a shared blockchian	[08:49]
draco49	electrum	[08:49]
MBS	hmm, wonder if i should bother getting any more though	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	vragnaroda don't forget the israel mess. france started that	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	not to mention the british improvements leading to vietnam.	[08:49]
MBS	amazon price is down alot because of sale, but still could get $1-2 profit each	[08:49]
MBS	though limited to one of each per purchase	[08:50]
vragnaroda	wut	[08:50]
MBS	mircea_popescu, think you got those backwards	[08:50]
vragnaroda	Palestine was a British mandate and Vietnam was part of French Indochina.	[08:50]
vragnaroda	Heh, Yuropean education.	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	actually... come to think of it, we can say yurp started the us civil war too	[08:50]
mircea_popescu	if they hadn't misrepresented their support for the south...	[08:50]
vragnaroda	Yeah, but the British at least paid reparations for that.	[08:51]
rg	;;seen genjix	[08:51]
gribble	genjix was last seen in #bitcoin-otc 22 weeks, 2 days, 15 hours, 14 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: pigeons: stop pretending this channel is anything but deadly silent	[08:51]
mircea_popescu	ya, with teatax money :D	[08:51]
vragnaroda	That's fine because they didn't collect it here. :p	[08:51]
bill_stickers	while the US Civil war was on, france/austria were messing around with Mexico, while the US couldn't do anything about it	[08:51]
*	mircea_popescu notices with le delight that the quality of geopolitical joking has markedly improved.	[08:52]
vragnaroda	bill_stickers: Yeah, but the U.S. didn't really need to. Max didn't last long. :D	[08:52]
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mircea_popescu	lmao this is too good to sit on.	[08:53]
vragnaroda	Although, probably more Americans than Mexicans celebrate Cinco de Mayo.	[08:53]
MBS	oh lol now its reversed	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	so a... friend of mine shyly admitted that her 50ish yo mother has been on her case to get me to do a workshop at their 50ish yeart old "spirituality" etc convention.	[08:54]
MBS	ps3 game is not available for shipping, but 360 one is, lol	[08:54]
vragnaroda	fucking hell	[08:54]
mircea_popescu	this has so much potential for lulz ima have to pass.	[08:55]
copumpkin	Cinco de Mayo Clinic?	[08:57]
vragnaroda	copumpkin: Cinco de Mayo is the anniversary of the Mexicans beating the French.	[08:58]
rg	anyone know of a web based wallet manager	[08:58]
rg	that interfaces with a regular bitcoind?	[08:58]
copumpkin	vragnaroda: I was just being silly :P	[08:59]
weex	rg isn't there a javascript one that does rpc?	[08:59]
mircea_popescu	who celebrates a sauce, srsly.	[08:59]
rg	weex: i dunno, im googling now	[08:59]
rg	i see mention of the javacsript one but no info	[08:59]
vragnaroda	OK, I know you spent much of your life in Yurop so I expect you to be ignorant of some things.	[08:59]
weex	i can see the image of it in my mind but no words	[09:00]
weex	never used it myself	[09:00]
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mircea_popescu	well... i know about sauces...	[09:00]
draco49	rg have you looked at pywallet?	[09:00]
weex	basically rg wants javascript that speaks rpc with forms etc...i think there was one	[09:01]
weex	maybe stefan made it?	[09:01]
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rg	i could write a simple one	[09:02]
rg	but the whole point of this is to avoid that	[09:02]
rg	i want people to be able to purcahse a cheap, secure, vps	[09:02]
rg	it will store the wallet on a crypto drive	[09:02]
rg	and you control it over a web GUI	[09:03]
copumpkin	vragnaroda: oh, I'm ignorant of most things	[09:03]
rg	i had some code to do it	[09:03]
rg	but it doesnt wor kanymore	[09:03]
weex	rg found it it was tcatm: http://tcatm.github.com/bitcoin-js-remote/	[09:03]
weex	not that I've ever used it	[09:04]
imsaguy	I've not seen much talk about it on the lists lately	[09:05]
imsaguy	make sure its up to date with the protocal changes.	[09:05]
weex	i think it just talks to bitcoind so shouldn't be too different	[09:06]
weex	have any of the rcp commands changed since June/July?	[09:06]
weex	rpc*	[09:06]
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rg	wrost case scnario	[09:08]
weex	relaxing piano music by Bitcoiner Justin B Porter for 1.429 btc: https://www.coindl.com/page/item/29	[09:08]
rg	ill use JSONRpc php	[09:08]
rg	i have some bitcoin php stuff already	[09:09]
rg	and ofcourse its tcatm	[09:09]
rg	tcatm is such an asset to the community	[09:09]
rg	i guess i can make it control over the web UI or a regular bitcoind	[09:09]
weex	or just teach them to use ssh	[09:09]
rg	well thats the whole point of it	[09:10]
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rg	it should be easy, encrypted	[09:10]
rg	but i want the web ui	[09:10]
rg	for noobies	[09:10]
rg	BitVPS SecurWallet	[09:10]
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rg	BitVPS NeuralNet	[09:11]
rg	aka skynet	[09:11]
weex	so the key feature is running on your own bitcoind	[09:11]
weex	which is on a vm under rg's control	[09:11]
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rg	no weex, its just an encrypted loopback fs	[09:11]
MBS	sweet	[09:11]
rg	so when you login, you enter the key, it mounts, syncs the bitcoind then lets you do stuff	[09:11]
MBS	gamestop.com glitch	[09:11]
rg	and when you log out it unmounts it	[09:12]
rg	and kills the bitcoind	[09:12]
MBS	2 refurb ipod shuffles and DBZ ultimate tenkichi for $35	[09:12]
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MBS	guess while im in here	[09:13]
rg	so that'll be nice	[09:13]
MBS	anyone have gamestop gift cards they want to get rid of?	[09:13]
weex	well i'm as big a fan of bitcoind as anyone but i think the firing up time may be less than ideal for a quick in and out type of thing	[09:13]
rg	weex: we run a bitcoind blockchain mirror	[09:13]
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weex	i just mean for a fully updated bitcoind, it can take 30 seconds or a minute for bitcoind to start	[09:14]
rg	well thats the price of being secure	[09:15]
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MBS	farking tax and handling though	[09:15]
MBS	$47 total	[09:15]
MBS	but still a profit	[09:15]
weex	i quite like bccapi	[09:15]
weex	the server isn't public but i'm told it wouldn't be too crazy to reimplement	[09:15]
weex	if you want a good project to embark on, do that	[09:15]
weex	and you already have a client or two to test against	[09:16]
weex	and you don't have to store the wallet on your servers	[09:16]
rg	thatd be great	[09:17]
___99percent___	http://imgur.com/r/funny/vXdGc	[09:17]
___99percent___	rg do you use tankomizers?	[09:18]
___99percent___	or carto tanks	[09:18]
weex	i tried node.js bitcoin thing and didn't get anywhere with that	[09:18]
weex	bccapi is promising but a bit centralized in the current state	[09:18]
neofutur	(09:07) <@bitcoinRT> Apr06 06:10:24 mtgox x137 4,000.6477 @ 4.95170077 USD	[09:18]
neofutur	a little bit of volume at last	[09:19]
weex	neofutur: you made a purchase? :P	[09:19]
rg	there is a client	[09:19]
neofutur	nop	[09:19]
rg	for bccapi	[09:19]
SpeedBus	Hey !	[09:20]
weex	rg yes but you won't find a server, i corresponded with jan who did both	[09:20]
neofutur	http://gw.gd/bc5days	[09:20]
neofutur	but tired of the flatline ;(	[09:20]
rg	i see	[09:20]
rg	and they arent releasing the server?	[09:20]
weex	neofutur: where's the graph of nmc/btc again?	[09:20]
rg	The BCCAPI server is running at Rackspace and can handle many simultaneous accounts. For each account the server holds a public key which is associated with all the public keys added to the account's wallet. The server is connected to the Bitcoin network and keeps track of the block chain, and does all the bookkeeping necessary to keep wallets up to date.	[09:20]
weex	rg, yup for now	[09:20]
prime	Calm before the storm my friends	[09:20]
weex	but he said he would if ever it became unsustainable for him	[09:20]
rg	how is it sustainable now	[09:21]
rg	its down	[09:21]
weex	seems up to my bitcoinspinner	[09:21]
___99percent___	rg do you use carto tanks, or tankomizers?	[09:22]
weex	i wanted to add arbitrary public keys on the fly but that was more than he wanted to take on	[09:22]
rg	Enter option:1	[09:22]
rg	Balance: 0.00000(0.00000) BTC	[09:22]
rg	it works fine	[09:22]
rg	and its really cool...	[09:22]
mircea_popescu	o hey, rally ?	[09:22]
rg	this is definitely what im using	[09:22]
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rg	im gonna contact teh admin	[09:22]
___99percent___	rg says taking a dick in the ass doesn't hurt too much for him	[09:23]
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___99percent___	lawl	[09:24]
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weex	does anyone know this imageboard where everything was dark background, lots of memes, especially childish ones, grew off of imgur?	[09:26]
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weex	nm found it	[09:27]
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rg	ok cool	[09:29]
rg	contacted the bccapi people	[09:29]
rg	i asked if i can host my own node and if so ill host a node at each datacentre for his regular users + my regulr users	[09:30]
prime	7 cent jump	[09:30]
rg	;;ticker	[09:30]
gribble	Best bid: 4.93819, Best ask: 4.94089, Bid-ask spread: 0.0027, Last trade: 4.9575, 24 hour volume: 45006, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.96	[09:30]
rg	;;asks 5	[09:30]
gribble	There are currently 9070.5665 bitcoins offered at or under 5.0 USD, worth 45221.1017078 USD in total.	[09:30]
bonks	anyone wanna sell me a couple btc for ppusd?	[09:30]
rg	dude this BCCAPI is ... so awesome	[09:31]
rg	i want to change our billing system to it	[09:31]
rg	oh lame	[09:31]
rg	clarkmooody sold out	[09:31]
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rg	hes doing other ads on bitcoin.clarkmoody.com	[09:31]
rg	and pushed my ad further down	[09:31]
mircea_popescu	http://www.foxnews.com/interactive/politics/2012/04/05/justice-department-letter-to-5th-circuit-court-appeals/ for the lol	[09:32]
mircea_popescu	how much you paid for that rg ?	[09:32]
weex	rg: glad you contacted him, the code IS awesome	[09:32]
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rg	mircea_popescu: nothing	[09:33]
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bigrhino	trying to buy btc with moneypak if anyone is selling	[09:34]
weex	is there a guide on using moneypak somewhere?	[09:36]
weex	moneypak/btc i mean	[09:36]
BohemianHacks	Downloading tor for the first time since highschool	[09:37]
rg	weex: yeah i only contacted him to ask what are the chances the master server disappears	[09:37]
rg	even so, you can export your private keys	[09:37]
bigrhino	weex, im not sure. what do you mean by a guide though?	[09:38]
weex	i don't need to sell btc right now but in the future i may want to. i'd like to know how to use moneypak safely here	[09:39]
weex	rg, you do moneypak?	[09:39]
bigrhino	i've only bought btc with moneypak, but i think you can just deposit it right into your paypal account from the mp site	[09:40]
rg	i do moneypak sometimes	[09:40]
bigrhino	once you have the mp #	[09:40]
rg	you can deposit it onto your greendot card	[09:40]
rg	or paypal	[09:40]
bigrhino	rg, are you currently selling any btc for mp?	[09:41]
rg	weex: i dont really know java, i think im gonna write a wrapper for the client	[09:41]
rg	bigrhino: i sold earliar	[09:41]
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bigrhino	oh ok so your out?	[09:41]
vragnaroda	mircea_popescu: That is pretty funny.	[09:41]
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weex	writing a wrapper sounds like something a supervillain would do after configgin' their linux	[09:42]
rg	yeah im tapped out	[09:42]
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prime	selling this item for 18.19 Btc with free shipping http://www.lulzbot.com/en/61-mendelmax-plastic-parts.html	[09:56]
prime	OBO	[09:57]
prime	If you are interested, IM me, im going to sleep.	[09:59]
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bonks	buying 2 btc with ppusd	[10:08]
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rg	uff	[10:17]
rg	damn java	[10:17]
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mircea_popescu	mk, so : MPEx is getting closer to coming out of beta. The 20 BTC fee for opening new accounts is still waived. This will go away. There's like a dozen people that have taken advantage so far, but for everyone else : don't miss out, I won't make exceptions later on.	[10:25]
MBS	anyone need something from tigerdirect in bitcoins?	[10:25]
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MBS	about to place an order, lol so might as well combine shipping	[10:25]
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MBS	http://www.amazon.com/Razer-Naga-Special-Edition-RZ01-00280500-R3/dp/B004AM5RAW/ref=xs_gb_A2H4XEYSDUX9G0?pf_rd_p=441937901&pf_rd_s=right-1&pf_rd_t=701&pf_rd_i=20&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=14MBVJ4NCYCXZ8CGRJ1B	[10:29]
MBS	11.7 BTC for that razer naga shipped 2 day	[10:30]
BohemianHacks	;;ticker	[10:31]
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phantomcircuit	mircea_popescu, what?	[10:32]
mircea_popescu	what isn't a too well formed question.	[10:33]
rg	$ java -jar ./build/jar/bccapi.jar prodnet 1	[10:33]
rg	Enter PIN:9446	[10:33]
rg	Connecting to wallet ...	[10:33]
rg	Balance: 0.00000(0.00000) BTC	[10:33]
rg	woot	[10:33]
rg	there we go	[10:33]
mircea_popescu	but mebbe this helps phantomcircuit http://polimedia.us/bitcoin/mpex.php	[10:34]
rg	now this is ready to be hacked into an ugly ugly php scirpt	[10:34]
Endgame_	gpg eregister Endgame_ 1AE5210DDFE53A66	[10:35]
BohemianHacks	php is never pretty is it?	[10:35]
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rg	it can be	[10:37]
rg	i wish i knew more java	[10:40]
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rg	nice	[11:00]
rg	the bcccapi guy responded	[11:00]
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coingenuity	php can be very pretty	[11:08]
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coingenuity	just a fsckton of noob coders making terrible long hacks	[11:08]
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PaulZag	;;ticker	[11:48]
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DeaDTerra	morning :)	[12:11]
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shroomerfly	Hi	[12:15]
blinkbat	hi	[12:16]
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chumlee	hi room	[12:30]
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chumlee	how to join escrow	[12:37]
chumlee	anyone want to buy a moneypak	[12:37]
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chumlee_	would u stop that	[12:39]
chumlee_	dam	[12:39]
blinkbat	:x	[12:39]
chumlee_	seriously	[12:39]
chumlee_	tryin to talk to people	[12:40]
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coingenuity	chumlee_:	[12:50]
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BohemianHacks	chumlee_ I dont think anyone wants to talk to you	[12:56]
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bitfoo	what's up folks	[13:05]
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blinkbat	whats up bitfoo	[13:06]
bitfoo	3am	[13:06]
bitfoo	need to sleep :P	[13:06]
bitfoo	also drunk, for the first time in ages, lol	[13:07]
blinkbat	lucky you	[13:07]
bitfoo	dammit, my room is freezing and I have no heater :\|	[13:11]
BohemianHacks	buy more video cards,over clock them :D	[13:13]
bitfoo	lol	[13:13]
bitfoo	I would if GPU mining weren't almost dead	[13:13]
BohemianHacks	heating bill goes down, electricity goes up, but you make coins	[13:13]
bitfoo	I have no heating bill	[13:14]
BohemianHacks	well thats your problem	[13:16]
bitfoo	I've never really lived in a place with a real "winter"	[13:19]
BohemianHacks	ah, ive lived mostly in the midwest united states	[13:21]
Lunaqus	;;asks 5	[13:21]
bitfoo	yeah, 12 c (53 f) is actually what I'm calling "freezing" right now :)	[13:21]
BohemianHacks	im skinny, that is freezing	[13:22]
bitfoo	lol	[13:22]
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Coolty	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaoLU6zKaws	[13:24]
bitfoo	oh no, this guy again :P	[13:25]
BohemianHacks	dun dadada dun	[13:26]
bitfoo	he came to our school once	[13:26]
bitfoo	not that I saw it, I only saw youtube evidence	[13:26]
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bitfoo	he went into random classrooms and started playing	[13:26]
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bitfoo	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qH9wug58Gg	[13:27]
paulo_	;;fraud	[13:27]
Coolty	bitfoo: he is youtube famous	[13:27]
bitfoo	sure is	[13:28]
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DeaDTerra	I live in Sweden it's a couple of minus here :p the only thing heating my room is two overclocked graphics cards and they are handeling the cold really well :D	[13:34]
DeaDTerra	GPU mining for heating ftw	[13:34]
BohemianHacks	I thought you meant this when you posted http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YWkVunv9n4	[13:36]
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BohemianHacks	epic sax guy > sexy sax guy	[13:37]
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DeaDTerra	I am still looking for investors for Gamma Bitcoin Fund, we open for new investors on the 15th of April there is still room for 925 BTC of investments :) For more info check this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0 and if there's any questions please do ask	[13:49]
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tcatm	Maybe someone has use for this, too: http://eu2.bitcoincharts.com/daily.txt	[13:53]
Lunaqus	;;rating DeaDTerra	[13:56]
pigeons	nice tcatm	[13:59]
Coolty	witness the rise and fall of bitcoin.. in notepad.	[14:00]
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Cory	I	[14:21]
Cory	I'm looking to buy around 9 BTC at 5 PPUSD.	[14:21]
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coingenuity	sorry Cory i don't use paypal :(	[14:31]
BohemianHacks	night everybody	[14:34]
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occulta	hi, can anyone here provide me with theymos's email address?	[14:44]
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bera	;;voiceme	[15:18]
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probni	hello	[15:21]
DeaDTerra	hi :9	[15:21]
DeaDTerra	:) *	[15:21]
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probni	somebody have BTC for payesafecard?	[15:21]
coingenuity	nope	[15:21]
probni	well, you don't but maybe someone would like to sell BTC :-D	[15:22]
kakobreklaa	probni: a few people in #bitcoin-otc-eu do psc	[15:22]
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coingenuity	its not a common method probni	[15:24]
kakobreklaa	its not that uncommon in eu	[15:25]
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ab37	Anyone know a good place to invest bitcoins?	[15:30]
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DeaDTerra	My investment fund	[15:30]
DeaDTerra	Gamma Bitcoin Fund, we open for new investors on the 15th of April	[15:30]
DeaDTerra	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0	[15:30]
ab37	;;ident deadterra	[15:31]
gribble	Nick 'deadterra', with hostmask 'DeaDTerra!~terragubb@226.169.216.81.static.apv.siw.siwnet.net', is not identified.	[15:31]
DeaDTerra	not logged in on my otc accoutn atm	[15:31]
DeaDTerra	account *	[15:31]
DeaDTerra	just got it yesterday, so I have yet to setup the auto authentication for the IRC	[15:31]
DeaDTerra	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=DeaDTerra	[15:32]
ab37	yea i saw	[15:33]
DeaDTerra	I can send you a pm on the forums, until I figure out how to get my account authenticated using this irc client :P	[15:33]
ab37	i got you bro	[15:34]
ab37	i just got into this thing	[15:34]
DeaDTerra	I have been hanging around IRC a couple of times, but all of this OTC and such it still a confusion for me :P	[15:35]
DeaDTerra	Do you have any questions about the fund? I am happy to answer them	[15:37]
DeaDTerra	:)	[15:37]
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ab37	Well what do you invest in?	[15:40]
DeaDTerra	Shares,stocks,bonds,loans,currency exchange and arbitrage/margin bot trading :)	[15:42]
DeaDTerra	the fund is pretty spread out over several markets to decrease the risks	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	;;deadterra	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	it's a good ideea to identify,	[15:45]
mircea_popescu	to protect yourself from someone impersonating you later on	[15:45]
ab37	i did he has 200+ post on the forums	[15:45]
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DeaDTerra	http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=DeaDTerra	[15:47]
DeaDTerra	I registered yesterday, though I am still working this out. So I have yet to get my client to auto authenticate me.	[15:47]
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SpeedBus	Hey !	[15:51]
DeaDTerra	hello :)	[15:52]
SpeedBus	Wassup ! :D	[15:52]
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DeaDTerra	not much you?	[15:55]
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SpeedBus	just working on my site :)	[15:59]
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mircea_popescu	a that's good then.	[16:01]
SpeedBus	:P	[16:02]
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DeaDTerra	ab37 were you intrested in investing?	[16:03]
DeaDTerra	you can register/book a investment slot even though we don't take in investments before th 15th	[16:03]
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helo	DeaDTerra: what % of the total investment slots offered is still available?	[16:12]
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PaulZag	;;ticker	[16:19]
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jurov	lol "The Great Seal of the exchange has been duly applied."	[16:29]
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mircea_popescu	that sounds eerily familiar	[16:29]
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PaulZag	;;later tell mlinksva Coins on their way	[16:44]
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galaxy_27	;;gpg eauth galaxy_27	[17:11]
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galaxy_27	;;ident galaxy_27	[17:16]
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Cory	I'm looking to buy 9 BTC at 5 PPUSD.	[17:28]
copumpkin	zomg Cory be buyin	[17:28]
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Cory	I didn't want to buy on MtGox and move the market that much.	[17:30]
Graet	heh	[17:30]
Graet	i can if you want Cory	[17:32]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[17:38]
Cory	;;rate Graet 4 He's sold me BTC for $45 PPUSD, sent me 0.1337 BTC when I needed it most, and is some sort of pool op. <3	[17:38]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Graet has changed from 1 to 4.	[17:38]
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gmaxwell	hah	[17:46]
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cash41	who buys a bunch of btc on the regular?	[17:48]
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copumpkin	cash41: depends on payment method and terms	[17:48]
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danieldaniel	"sent me 0.1337 BTC when I needed it most"	[17:49]
danieldaniel	Why would you need exactly .1337	[17:49]
danieldaniel	i'm confused :(	[17:49]
jjjx	:)	[17:49]
jjjx	Sometimes you need the power of 1337 from another	[17:50]
blinkbat	i need 0.69 about now :P	[17:50]
jjjx	blinkbat: That's what she said.	[17:50]
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danieldaniel	Wow, I just clicked on a random link	[17:52]
danieldaniel	And it redirected to a porn site	[17:52]
danieldaniel	>.>	[17:52]
danieldaniel	http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/170/5/6/AreYouFuckingKiddingMe_1200px_by_CrusierPL.png	[17:52]
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Guest76892	;;ticker	[17:54]
jjjx	danieldaniel: It seems that you have a lot to learn about the Internet :)	[17:54]
mircea_popescu	lol word.	[17:54]
danieldaniel	oh crap	[17:55]
danieldaniel	why the hell did I get an email from paypal	[17:55]
danieldaniel	oh	[17:55]
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danieldaniel	i used a closed bank account to make a transfer	[17:55]
EvanR	bluemoon44: hey	[17:55]
danieldaniel	lolfaio	[17:56]
danieldaniel	faiL*	[17:56]
EvanR	FAIO	[17:56]
EvanR	oops	[17:56]
EvanR	meta fail	[17:56]
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gribble	Best bid: 4.93005, Best ask: 4.9494, Bid-ask spread: 0.01935, Last trade: 4.94956, 24 hour volume: 46386, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.96	[17:57]
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gribble	Request successful for user Arjit, hostmask SpeedBus!~SpeedBus@unaffiliated/speedbus. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/3FBFAE30DEEB2293	[18:07]
SpeedBus	;;gpg eauth SpeedBus	[18:07]
SpeedBus	;;getrating Arjit	[18:08]
gribble	User Arjit, created on Mon Apr 2 07:34:07 2012. Cumulative rating 5, from 1 total ratings. Received ratings: 1 positive, 0 negative. Sent ratings: 0 positive, 0 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Arjit Currently authenticated from hostmask SpeedBus!~SpeedBus@unaffiliated/speedbus	[18:08]
SpeedBus	:P	[18:08]
LordCanti	why does gribble answer some people in a private message and some people in the channel?	[18:08]
SpeedBus	hmm..dunno	[18:08]
SpeedBus	its always in channel for me	[18:08]
blinkbat	probably depends if your registered or not	[18:09]
SpeedBus	hmm. i'm registered !	[18:09]
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bigrhino	hey guys, anyone selling btc for moneypak?	[18:12]
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amazingrando	looking for $150 newegg gc, paying in btc	[18:23]
netxshare	www.giftcoin.com	[18:26]
netxshare	er	[18:26]
netxshare	no www.giftcoin.net	[18:26]
ab37	Anyone interested in investing in a casinointernet cafe?	[18:26]
ab37	or helping out with	[18:26]
ab37	;;fraud	[18:26]
gribble	Be smart, and stay safe - follow these guidelines to avoid fraudsters: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc#Safety:_avoiding_fraud	[18:27]
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rawrmage	Greed: apparently you're steaming hawt	[18:47]
mlinksva	;;rate PaulZag 1 easy cash deposit transaction	[18:48]
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rawrmage	danieldaniel: sureeeed it was a "random link"	[18:50]
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easystevey	this person is selling btc	[18:59]
Joric	most certainly not!	[19:00]
splatster	Nice, blockchain.info is now available for iOS.	[19:04]
splatster	(ie. on the App Store, not just Cydia)	[19:04]
splatster	It looks like apple is starting to be more open to bitcoin apps... Imma make one I think.	[19:05]
copumpkin	splatster: only in korea	[19:05]
splatster	copumpkin: They give the name and password for a public itunes account based in korea	[19:06]
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Joric	earlier they rejected all apps with the same reason "it involves intermediate currency"	[19:07]
BlackBison	hey guys im new in here. how does this work? do i just spam my bid or offer in the chat, or is there a listings page somewhere	[19:08]
Joric	north korea?	[19:08]
easystevey	http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php	[19:09]
BlackBison	what?	[19:09]
splatster	BlackBison: Check out the order book, but first you should register using the ,,guide	[19:09]
gribble	Guide to using #bitcoin-otc: http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Using_bitcoin-otc	[19:09]
Joric	like, oh, well, bitcoin is fine for the north korea	[19:09]
splatster	And once you're registered, use the ,,buy or ,,sell commands.	[19:09]
gribble	(buy [--long] [at\|@] []) -- Logs a buy order for units of , at a price of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask\|bid\|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include (1 more message)	[19:09]
gribble	(sell [at\|@] []) -- Logs a sell order for units of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {mtgox(ask\|bid\|last)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, or last price. May also include expression (1 more message)	[19:09]
BlackBison	ok thanks guys	[19:10]
paulo_	,,ticker	[19:10]
gribble	Best bid: 4.93007, Best ask: 4.9498, Bid-ask spread: 0.01973, Last trade: 4.9498, 24 hour volume: 47089, 24 hour low: 4.87, 24 hour high: 4.96	[19:10]
splatster	BlackBison: No problem, if you have any trouble registering, we'll be glad to help.	[19:11]
Cory	Why is blockchain.info's app only in the Korean app store?	[19:12]
splatster	Cory: Apple restrictions, it's impossible to explain. If you want to see what it's like to have an app reviewed, become a developer and submit one.	[19:13]
DeaDTerra	I am looking for investors for Gamma Bitcoin fund, we investin in shares,stocks,bonds,loans,currency exchange and arbitrag/margin bot trading. If you intrested take a look at this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74975.0 and if you have any questions please do ask :)	[19:13]
splatster	DeaDTerra: Umm, I think something like that already exists ;)	[19:14]
gmaxwell	DeaDTerra: Hello?	[19:14]
splatster	Smickles and I started S² Capital Management, but we welcome competition :)	[19:14]
DeaDTerra	hi :)	[19:15]
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DeaDTerra	I have been around for 6 months now, it's just that we have been a private investment fund and we will not be operating on GLBSE	[19:15]
splatster	We estimate 10-15% on invested funds. Also, if someone defaults on a loan, I cover it with my reserve account.	[19:16]
DeaDTerra	Well you guys are very heavy into loans, we are not	[19:17]
DeaDTerra	we mostly invest in share and bot trading. The bot's are run and owned by the fund	[19:17]
Blitzboom	yeah, this loan industry seems to have sprung up since pirate	[19:18]
Cory	splatster: I know there are lots of restrictions. Clearly some only exist in markets outside of Korea. Any idea what those might be?	[19:18]
DeaDTerra	Indeed	[19:19]
mircea_popescu	possibly something about bitcoins being evil outside korea	[19:19]
splatster	DeaDTerra: You should check out muBit, which was very similar to that. Their IPO was a bit of a flop, so maybe you should see what they might have done wrong before you commit to something.	[19:19]
mcorlett	Has anyone used koinmail.com?	[19:19]
DeaDTerra	though there's a pretty big risk leaving all your money in one place, I try to spread my money in different markets and investment	[19:19]
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mircea_popescu	nope.	[19:20]
splatster	Cory: Apple is very tricky to deal with, and appealing to a rejection is almost impossible. If Apple doesn't like it for whatever reason, then they can impose whatever restrictions they want.	[19:20]
Cory	I bet. :(	[19:20]
DeaDTerra	I am already commited and I have been running this fund for 6 months xD I think I can handle most things, though I did see their IPO and there were not a lot of people that bought into the IPO. I think mostly because they only offered GLBSE services which you can easily do youself.	[19:20]
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Cory	But you don't know why it was only accepted in the Korean app store, splatster?	[19:20]
Cory	DeaDTerra: Heh, do you know when this season of sc2 ends? :P	[19:21]
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splatster	Cory: No, rejection reasons are only revealed to the developer, and publicly announcing those reasons is almost a violation of their pseudo-NDA.	[19:21]
Cory	Lame.	[19:22]
mcorlett	mircea_popescu: I'm not sure how GLBSE does it, but how does MPEX handle dividends?	[19:22]
splatster	Cory: It's the price you pay for getting into a huge market.	[19:22]
Cory	Yeah. There are upsides to regulation.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	mcorlett : you enter the ammt due as dividend, it calculates how much comes per share and sends it out.	[19:22]
DeaDTerra	@Cory no I do not sorry, I have not played sc2 in a long time due to lack of free time	[19:22]
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Cory	DeaDTerra: Thanks. I know you helped put on a tournament before. :)	[19:23]
splatster	Our IPO was over only 7 hours after it started, and we sold 500 BTC in shares. Also, shares have already doubled in value.	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	that's pretty awesome splatster	[19:24]
Dark_Apostrophe	splatster: What kind of company?	[19:24]
DeaDTerra	I did, I have another one up and coming :)	[19:24]
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DeaDTerra	Cool story bro Splaster :P	[19:24]
splatster	Read about S²CM: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74216.0 or the asset page https://glbse.com/asset/view/SS	[19:24]
ircWALK	i want a budget machine for mining litecoin. should i get a decent gpu or a decent cpu?	[19:24]
DeaDTerra	GPU	[19:25]
splatster	DeaDTerra: splat-ster :)	[19:25]
DeaDTerra	... whatever xD	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	ircWALK always gpu	[19:25]
rawrmage	why would you mine litecoin	[19:25]
netxshare	err	[19:26]
netxshare	<@ljrbot> trade Intersango: 0.000… BTC @ 4.87053 ISGUSD == 0.84 TBC @ 0.0031919… ISGUSD	[19:26]
ircWALK	coz im hoping it blows up like bitcoin did. is that never gonna happen?	[19:26]
DeaDTerra	Because you can mine litecoins with GPUs now a days :P	[19:26]
splatster	I said this yesterday, but SS now has some of the verifications done.	[19:26]
mcorlett	ircWALK: Probably not. In any case, don't bet on it.	[19:27]
rg	litecoins arent worth shit	[19:27]
splatster	That ^ +1000	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	a little under 8 hours remaining till the close of MPOE April IPO.	[19:28]
Tril	splatster: why does s2cm not list BurtWagner as a possible lendee	[19:28]
Tril	znort I understand as he just started	[19:29]
rg	every time i ask a bitvps customer what their ip is	[19:29]
rg	they give me their home IP	[19:30]
Cory	Aw. :3	[19:30]
splatster	Tril: I have evaluated many lenders based on their default risk and their return. As the CIO, I do the research and I decide what's best for shareholders and my reserve account.	[19:30]
rg	so... no bruce wagner?	[19:30]
splatster	The lenders list on that page are the only places where funds are at right now.	[19:30]
Dark_Apostrophe	splatster: Unfortunate stock symbol :P	[19:31]
splatster	Dark_Apostrophe: Why is that?	[19:31]
Tril	splatster: ok so you have nothing negative to say about him - just checking :)	[19:31]
Dark_Apostrophe	SS makes me think of a rather nasty group of people in the 40s :P	[19:31]
splatster	If a lender is on that page, money is with them. If a lender is not on that page, then money has not been invested with them.	[19:31]
Blitzboom	Dark_Apostrophe: dude, they had hugo boss uniforms	[19:31]
terry	rg: To be fair, it's been ~5 months into Litecoin's inception, and 10,000 litecoins are already worth more than several pizzas, while 10,000 bitcoins bought only two pizzas over one year into Bitcoin.	[19:32]
splatster	Dark_Apostrophe: Splatster and Smickles, hence "S²" and "SS"	[19:32]
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terry	Goes to show just how far ahead Bitcoin's growth curve Litecoin currently is.	[19:32]
Dark_Apostrophe	Just saying, it has an unfortunate connotation :P	[19:32]
gmaxwell	terry: thats not exactly a fair comparison.	[19:32]
DeaDTerra	The question is can you guys actually cover if for example Pirate doesn't pay you? do you have the capital to pay for large loans that is not payed?	[19:33]
splatster	Tril: I am not here to say bad things about someone and I'm obliged not to reveal certain information as per the request of our downstream partners.	[19:33]
gmaxwell	terry: litecoin's crediblity is massively boosted by bitcoin's, but that doesn't say anything about how the credibility will change going forward.	[19:33]
DeaDTerra	I think that the investment is to focused all on loans, it's a big risk	[19:33]
gmaxwell	terry: The fundimental selling point of litecoin was recently blown up (CPU-only, no GPU mining) too. :(	[19:33]
splatster	DeaDTerra: If you read up on the fund, you'll notice that my own personal money is used to cover defaults.	[19:33]
Blitzboom	^ what, how?, gmaxwell?	[19:33]
splatster	DeaDTerra: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74216.0	[19:34]
galaxy_27	;;gpg indent	[19:34]
DeaDTerra	Yes that's what I am questioning. Do you have enough private funds to cover it?	[19:35]
splatster	Read the terms regarding "THE GUARANTEE" and "THE RESERVE"	[19:35]
terry	gmaxwell: Litecoin never claimed to be completely immune to GPU mining, it was CPU-friendly, and I dare say CPU mining is still extremely competitive with regards to power consumption and initial cost of graphics cards.	[19:35]
terry	Far more so than Bitcoin, in any case.	[19:36]
splatster	The amount of funds in the reserve are actually in a separate reserve account. I won't touch these funds unless there is a default.	[19:36]
blinkbat	terry: isnt there a botnet problem with litecoin?	[19:36]
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terry	blinkbat: That's a very real possibility, but I don't care. They look out for the network, and that's what matters to me.	[19:37]
gmaxwell	terry: I haven't run the numbers again recently but last I checked you can't profitably mine litecoin on _anything_ without stolen power and/or computing.	[19:37]
wakawaka	;;bc,stats	[19:37]
blinkbat	terry: no if a botnet controls a large hashing percentage they can double spend or stop transactions going through	[19:37]
terry	blinkbat: How is this specific to botnets?	[19:37]
gmaxwell	blinkbat: it would require a single botnet to be a sustained supermajority.. which isn't likely, botnets are fragile things.	[19:38]
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Blitzboom	now that bitcoin is stable	[19:39]
Blitzboom	can we have sticky prices?	[19:39]
terry	gmaxwell: GPU mining is also less profitable than CPU mining. Litecoin isn't profitable for Average Joe no matter how you look at it, but it has a "loyal" community which believes it shows promise and continue to mine at cost because they believe in the project, just like Bitcoin in the early days.	[19:39]
MBS	lol	[19:39]
MBS	AMEX processes refunds fast	[19:39]
MBS	my staples price match is completed before the actual transaction	[19:40]
rawrmage	lol	[19:40]
gmaxwell	::shrugs:: I'm not sure what they believe in now. I stopped litecoin mining around the time the existance of gpu mining was made public.	[19:40]
galaxy_27	litecoin - no client for linux	[19:40]
terry	galaxy_27: bullshit	[19:40]
rawrmage	liez!	[19:41]
Blitzboom	is there a price chart for namecoins, terry?	[19:42]
rg	1 ltc = .001 btc	[19:42]
Blitzboom	i want a historical chart	[19:42]
terry	Blitzboom: do you mean litecoins?	[19:42]
Blitzboom	oh sorry, yes	[19:43]
Blitzboom	litcoins	[19:43]
Blitzboom	LITEcoins	[19:43]
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nanotube	lite of value. :)	[19:43]
splatster	heh	[19:43]
gmaxwell	Yea, thats about all thats lite. :( ironically the faster blocks mean SPV litecoin nodes will need 4x the storage.	[19:43]
galaxy_27	will bitcoin every change their mining algorithm to allow for more coins?	[19:44]
terry	Blitzboom: http://www.litecoinpool.org/charts	[19:44]
MBS	and one of my amex credits came in, either staples or best buy, probably best buy	[19:44]
terry	galaxy_27: that is idiotic and will probably never happen	[19:44]
gmaxwell	galaxy_27: Do you think all the bitcoin users would agree to that? It would be stupid.	[19:44]
MBS	waiting on $10 staples, $2 redbox, and $5 redbox now (and also 2 more that i will probably have to call to get)	[19:44]
galaxy_27	if enough wallets are lost eventually deflation will occur	[19:44]
blinkbat	not that many wallets will be lost	[19:45]
blinkbat	its quite simple... as the amount of btc lost increases, the price will go up...	[19:45]
blinkbat	that will make people take more care of their own coins	[19:45]
blinkbat	people dont go around "losing" bmw cars	[19:45]
blinkbat	or diamonds	[19:46]
blinkbat	on purpose	[19:46]
gmaxwell	galaxy_27: you don't need to increase the coins if granularity becomes a problem, you can increase precision instead— which is economically neutral.	[19:46]
blinkbat	if people arent competant enough to take care of their coins, they will sell them or hire someone to do it for them	[19:46]
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gmaxwell	But since bitcoin is already divisble to 1e-8 I'm skeptical that this would be needed.	[19:46]
blinkbat	or have them in a wallet/bank insured	[19:46]
EvanR	insurance is not the answer	[19:47]
galaxy_27	its nice to have whole coins thought - just consider the South Korean currency	[19:47]
gmaxwell	galaxy_27: that doesn't make any sense.	[19:47]
blinkbat	EvanR: my point is, there will be _some_ solution	[19:47]
gmaxwell	a 'whole bitcoin' is already a million parts in the current system. The unit scaling is just user interface.	[19:48]
blinkbat	galaxy_27: i care alot more about preserving the value of my coins over having "whole coins"	[19:48]
galaxy_27	exactly my point on scaling	[19:48]
gmaxwell	If you don't want to talk about fractions then you can talk about micro-bitcoin (µBTC or mbc) instead.	[19:48]
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galaxy_27	from a marketing perspective a smaller value bitcoin would be more appealing	[19:49]
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splatster	I think satoshi got the protocol right. Coins are currently divisible up to 8 decimal places, and to my knowledge the protocol could allow up to 11.	[19:49]
galaxy_27	my suggestion is a 10 for 1 split	[19:49]
blinkbat	i agree with splatster... there are no problems with bitcoin and deflation	[19:49]
copumpkin	oh, so bitcoin is like my amp	[19:49]
copumpkin	I can turn it up to 11	[19:50]
blinkbat	please dont make suggestions until you fully understand how bitcoin works	[19:50]
splatster	galaxy_27: Why fix what isn't broken?	[19:50]
splatster	The protocol has been well thought through. Read up on it and check out the source.	[19:50]
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mircea_popescu	the world needs fewer doctors and engineers and more singers-songwriters	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	to fix the bloody bitcoin spec for us.	[19:52]
blinkbat	lol	[19:54]
blinkbat	the world needs less idiots	[19:54]
blinkbat	and more clues	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	...	[19:54]
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mircea_popescu	pony glue!	[19:54]
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rawrmage	mircea_popescu: lol	[19:56]
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gigavps	good afternoon gents	[19:58]
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Naypalm	;;buy 7 BTC at 4.99 USD PP	[19:58]
gribble	Order id 7527 created.	[19:58]
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Naypalm	anybody got 7 bitcoins they'll spare for a paypal / UK bant transfer?	[20:04]
rg	you can call me allllll	[20:05]
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rg	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA&ob=av3e	[20:05]
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Lunaqus	;;asks 5	[20:10]
LordCanti	quick question for any liberty reserve users: what method do you guys use to withdraw funds?	[20:11]
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seco	bitcoinbulletin: A single word here in chan, and you get a bunch of queries from users who want to buy your LR ;)	[20:12]
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seco	oop, dunno where "bitcoinbulletin:" came from sorry*	[20:12]
LordCanti	oh that was for me	[20:12]
seco	meant LordCanti yes :)	[20:12]
LordCanti	I'm looking to start an LR account, just reading throught the dox and it looks like I'll need ANOTHER account (accounts?) to withdraw USD if I wanted to	[20:13]
LordCanti	just trying to minimize the # of accounts I need	[20:14]
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seco	you need exchangers who give you LR, and exchangers who accept your LR: The website itself does not offer you to buy/sell LR directly	[20:14]
LordCanti	yeah. Normallly I wouldn't think to trust a costa-rican payment service but OTC seems to think it's the bee's knees	[20:15]
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LordCanti	then I'm looking at the exchangers and it's banks in Nigeria and China and the like, just setting off red flags, you know. Figured I'd see what people here trust	[20:16]
LordCanti	like if I bought BTC from someone here and sent them LR, how would the experienced users cash it out	[20:16]
seco	as i said, i cash out using -otc :)	[20:17]
LordCanti	I guess I could use dwolla but they don't strike me as any better than PP.	[20:17]
LordCanti	so they'll come here and say LR to sell?	[20:18]

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