Forum logs for 05 May 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.4896999 BTC [+]	[00:00]
mod6	$vwap ^OIX	[00:00]
mpexbot	mod6: ^OIX 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 101.03478931 high: 176.8359807 low: 72.06529631 volume: 4108 btc: 1489.44468256 30 day: no data	[00:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.492 BTC [+]	[00:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.492 = 0.984 BTC [+]	[00:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.1089 = 1.089 BTC [+]	[00:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 172 @ 0.003388 = 0.5827 BTC [+]	[00:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [+]	[00:23]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1089 BTC [+]	[00:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.15007 BTC [-]	[00:41]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.15006 = 0.3001 BTC [-]	[00:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]	[00:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.0101 = 0.2525 BTC [+]	[00:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [+]	[00:45]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 5 @ 0.1089 = 0.5445 BTC [+]	[00:48]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 145 @ 0.000689 = 0.0999 BTC [+]	[00:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 190 @ 0.000692 = 0.1315 BTC [+]	[00:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000698 = 0.007 BTC [+]	[00:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.000698 = 0.007 BTC [+]	[00:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 95 @ 0.000699 = 0.0664 BTC [+]	[00:50]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]	[00:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 24 @ 0.00999 = 0.2398 BTC [-]	[00:54]
mjr___	hi all	[00:55]
mjr___	i am starting a project right now	[00:55]
mircea_popescu	hey	[00:55]
mjr___	project buttonwood	[00:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 25 @ 0.00999 = 0.2498 BTC [-]	[00:55]
mjr___	basically a website which will try to facilitate IRL bitcoin exchanges	[00:55]
mjr___	easy to use level 2 book, maybe geolocation features	[00:56]
mjr___	very simple to use	[00:56]
mjr___	so hopefully anyone anywhere can just say "me meet at location x at time y" and then they have an order book for advertising prices	[00:56]
mjr___	i'm going to hopefully try it out in a park in new york on monday	[00:57]
mjr___	so 2 day hackathon lol	[00:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [LTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-]	[00:57]
mjr___	i hope that we can get distributed and decentralized exchanges that will be easy to use	[00:57]
mjr___	any comments or suggestions?	[00:59]
mircea_popescu	sorta like localbitcoin ?	[01:00]
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mjr___	well, yes, similar but in some ways completely different	[01:00]
mjr___	localbitcoin is for finding people	[01:00]
mjr___	so, it basically assumes that you will coordinate amongst yourself	[01:01]
mjr___	this is meant for a group of people in the same location at the same time	[01:01]
mjr___	an easy way of all keeping track of what orders you have out etc	[01:01]
mjr___	basically, a website optimized for a mobile device, where you can update your orders quickly	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	aha	[01:01]
mircea_popescu	so api ?	[01:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 3 @ 0.00064 = 0.0019 BTC [-]	[01:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 80 @ 0.000636 = 0.0509 BTC [-]	[01:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 20 @ 0.000625 = 0.0125 BTC [-]	[01:02]
mjr___	should have API, but at the same time...it is cash settled immediateely	[01:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 5 @ 0.000625 = 0.0031 BTC [-]	[01:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 10 @ 0.00061 = 0.0061 BTC [-]	[01:02]
mjr___	so bots can't really do well	[01:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.MPOE-PT] 332 @ 0.000606 = 0.2012 BTC [-]	[01:02]
mjr___	we are not clearing or settling	[01:02]
mjr___	that is entirely p2p	[01:02]
mjr___	for example:	[01:02]
mjr___	i have maybe 20 people meeting in union square on monday at 4pm	[01:03]
mjr___	i want to give them a site where they can advertise their prices	[01:03]
mjr___	as well as update those prices in basically real time	[01:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.0101 = 0.505 BTC [+]	[01:03]
mjr___	so as people join us in the park, they know our local best bid and ask	[01:03]
mjr___	and they can place an order in front of it if they want	[01:04]
mjr___	but if you find someone, you "match" in real life	[01:04]
mjr___	not using the website	[01:04]
mjr___	i might place a "hold" feature on the site, so you can show that someone is taking an offer or a bid	[01:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.00999 = 0.4995 BTC [-]	[01:05]
mjr___	it will also convert all orders into denomminations of $10 or $20	[01:05]
mjr___	since change is a hassle in fiat	[01:05]
mjr___	so $20 = x bitcoins	[01:05]
mjr___	hopefully then, when people update their order to show that they have closed a sale, it will generate a print on our tape	[01:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.00999 = 0.4995 BTC [-]	[01:06]
mjr___	so we will have market data	[01:06]
mjr___	basically it is trying to maintain a level 2 book in real time synched across 20 mobile devices	[01:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.0101 = 0.505 BTC [+]	[01:07]
mjr___	going to use what is called a MEAN stack	[01:07]
mjr___	mongodb, express, angularjs, nodejs	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	hm	[01:07]
mjr___	should be very easy to implement, so if philadelphians or chicagoans want to duplicate it, they could easily	[01:07]
mircea_popescu	well document how it works irl.	[01:08]
mjr___	yes of course	[01:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.00999 = 0.4995 BTC [-]	[01:08]
mjr___	not one line of code written yet	[01:08]
mjr___	but i think i can have it up by monday	[01:08]
mjr___	simply a tool, to help facilitate real life transactions	[01:08]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.00999 = 0.4995 BTC [-]	[01:09]
mjr___	i think version 1 will be rough, but then we can add geolocation, so if someone isn't there, their orders will be grayed out (as they couldn't be acted upon anywy)	[01:10]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.0101 = 2.02 BTC [+]	[01:11]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 200 @ 0.00999 = 1.998 BTC [-]	[01:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 131 @ 0.00999 = 1.3087 BTC [-]	[01:14]
benkay	repo in public?	[01:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 330 @ 0.0101 = 3.333 BTC [+]	[01:17]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 14 @ 0.00999 = 0.1399 BTC [-]	[01:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00999 BTC [-]	[01:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00998 = 0.998 BTC [-]	[01:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00998 BTC [-]	[01:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00997 = 0.997 BTC [-]	[01:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00997 BTC [-]	[01:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00996 = 0.996 BTC [-]	[01:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.00996 = 0.0299 BTC [-]	[01:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00996 BTC [-]	[01:19]
mjr___	benkay: i just pushed out an updated readme	[01:19]
mjr___	its on github	[01:19]
mjr___	i am going to start by setting up the node.js server	[01:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 320 @ 0.0101 = 3.232 BTC [+]	[01:21]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 100 @ 0.00995 = 0.995 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.00995 = 0.0498 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00995 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00994 = 0.0994 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.00993 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00993 = 0.0993 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 5 @ 0.00992 = 0.0496 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00992 = 0.0992 BTC [-]	[01:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00991 = 0.0991 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.00991 = 0.0991 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 21 @ 0.009906 = 0.208 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.009902 = 0.099 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.0099 = 0.198 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.0099 = 0.099 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 20 @ 0.00985 = 0.197 BTC [-]	[01:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 86 @ 0.00981 = 0.8437 BTC [-]	[01:23]
*	Diablo-D3 ponders	[01:24]
Diablo-D3	theres the pirate bay	[01:24]
Diablo-D3	theres the silk road	[01:24]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 300 @ 0.0101 = 3.03 BTC [+]	[01:25]
Diablo-D3	what other geographical features can we name dumb shit after?	[01:25]
Diablo-D3	I mean, whats next, porn mountain?	[01:25]
inhies	one can only hope	[01:25]
kakobrekla	next is diablo mining center	[01:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 179 @ 0.00981 = 1.756 BTC [-]	[01:26]
Diablo-D3	kakobrekla: meh, mining has already end gamed itself	[01:26]
Diablo-D3	bfl is not shipping 65nm, avalon is already working on 65nm, and asicminer is working on redacted	[01:27]
kakobrekla	and i selfsmarted myself	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=186185.msg2026892#msg2026892	[01:27]
mircea_popescu	there, have a tortilla	[01:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 6 @ 0.0098 = 0.0588 BTC [-]	[01:27]
Diablo-D3	so instead of mining, Im working o something even greater	[01:27]
Diablo-D3	mircea_popescu: rhyming slang makes zero sense to me	[01:28]
Diablo-D3	must be an accent thing	[01:28]
mircea_popescu	seriously ?	[01:28]
Diablo-D3	none of it rhymes.	[01:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.00979 = 0.0685 BTC [-]	[01:29]
mircea_popescu	i always thought it's one of the few redeeming features of the engluish language	[01:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.009782 BTC [-]	[01:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 2 @ 0.009767 = 0.0195 BTC [-]	[01:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 105 @ 0.00976 = 1.0248 BTC [-]	[01:29]
*	Diablo-D3 prefers it in the original klingon	[01:29]
kakobrekla	its a sad thread	[01:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 300 @ 0.0101 = 3.03 BTC [+]	[01:31]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[01:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 262 @ 0.00976 = 2.5571 BTC [-]	[01:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 38 @ 0.00976 = 0.3709 BTC [-]	[01:32]
mjr___	mircea_popescu: by the way, the facebook comment i directed you too was very sad	[01:34]
mjr___	the guy was like, we should all coordinate a fixed price	[01:34]
mjr___	i was like i completely disagree with you	[01:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.24499 BTC [-]	[01:34]
mjr___	that is a retarded idea	[01:34]
mjr___	since anyone can simply jump in front anyway	[01:34]
mjr___	why bother trying to control everyone?	[01:34]
mjr___	free market apparently is like phd level stuff or something	[01:35]
mjr___	though i think toddlers understand it quite well	[01:35]
mircea_popescu	i blame the school system.	[01:35]
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Namworld	mjr, link?	[01:37]
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mjr___	https://www.facebook.com/groups/BitcoinNYC/	[01:42]
mjr___	adrian childers comment	[01:43]
Jambo_	market drop please :D	[01:43]
Jambo_	im bored, just counting my fingers waiting to drop in	[01:43]
mircea_popescu	why not do something useful instead.	[01:44]
Jambo_	i can't. i'm engrossed in bitcoin at the moment :P	[01:44]
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Jambo_	i went to the gym and then left early to go look at clark moody graph just sit there at 113. sad thing it my mind is telling me, "worth it"	[01:45]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.0101 = 0.3535 BTC [+]	[01:45]
Diablo-D3	heh	[01:45]
Diablo-D3	I just realized	[01:45]
Diablo-D3	mt gox	[01:46]
Diablo-D3	pirate bay, silk road, mt gox	[01:46]
Diablo-D3	we need some sort of river or something	[01:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 35 @ 0.00976 = 0.3416 BTC [-]	[01:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 3 @ 0.1089 = 0.3267 BTC [+]	[01:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1077 BTC [-]	[01:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1075 BTC [-]	[01:51]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1011 BTC [-]	[01:51]
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mircea_popescu	i guess bitriver is imminent	[01:53]
Diablo-D3	or a valley	[01:54]
Diablo-D3	and no, you cant name it the river tam	[01:54]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1011 BTC [-]	[01:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.100001 = 0.2 BTC [-]	[01:55]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.100001 BTC [-]	[01:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.1089 = 0.7623 BTC [+]	[01:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 7 @ 0.100001 = 0.7 BTC [-]	[02:00]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.29635 = 0.5927 BTC [+]	[02:02]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.24005 = 0.4801 BTC [-]	[02:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.24005 = 0.4801 BTC [-]	[02:04]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.29636 BTC [+]	[02:06]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.29894 = 0.5979 BTC [+]	[02:06]
ThickAsThieves	jurovvvvvv	[02:06]
ThickAsThieves	coinbr has issues	[02:07]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22503 = 0.4501 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22502 BTC [-]	[02:09]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.225 BTC [-]	[02:11]
mircea_popescu	he prolly doesn't ding unless you use the actual name	[02:11]
ThickAsThieves	already pm'd earlier :/	[02:11]
ThickAsThieves	jurov ^	[02:12]
ThickAsThieves	audit of transactions doesn't match quantities held in account	[02:12]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 22 @ 0.0032 = 0.0704 BTC [-]	[02:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 278 @ 0.0033 = 0.9174 BTC [+]	[02:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 40 @ 0.00301 = 0.1204 BTC [-]	[02:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 5 @ 0.003 = 0.015 BTC [-]	[02:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 102 @ 0.00286 = 0.2917 BTC [-]	[02:14]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 85 @ 0.00285 = 0.2423 BTC [-]	[02:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 6 @ 0.00285 = 0.0171 BTC [-]	[02:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 62 @ 0.00285 = 0.1767 BTC [-]	[02:15]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 300 @ 0.002851 = 0.8553 BTC [+]	[02:16]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves exercises perhaps ?	[02:17]
mjr___	no s.dice divs yet?	[02:17]
ThickAsThieves	its on SDICE	[02:18]
Namworld	Yeah, there was already divs	[02:18]
ThickAsThieves	mp ^	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 6 @ 0.00300001 = 0.018 BTC [-]	[02:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 294 @ 0.003 = 0.882 BTC [-]	[02:18]
ThickAsThieves	When I sell SDICE, it doesnt show up	[02:19]
ThickAsThieves	nor does the btc	[02:19]
assbot	[BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 113 @ 0.002851 = 0.3222 BTC [+]	[02:19]
ThickAsThieves	but the sale goes thru	[02:19]
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mircea_popescu	odd	[02:20]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.DICE] 113 @ 0.003 = 0.339 BTC [-]	[02:20]
mircea_popescu	mjr___ yeah, it beat by about 1%. like 3570 per share irrc	[02:20]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.244846 BTC [-]	[02:20]
ThickAsThieves	it might be related to how he imported shares for me recently	[02:20]
ThickAsThieves	but the discrepency might be older than that	[02:21]
ThickAsThieves	working on it	[02:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19103 BTC [-]	[02:21]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19102 BTC [-]	[02:22]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.244836 BTC [+]	[02:23]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.25699 = 2.514 BTC [+]	[02:25]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.190031 BTC [-]	[02:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19003 BTC [-]	[02:26]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.19 = 2.38 BTC [-]	[02:28]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19001 BTC [+]	[02:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19 BTC [-]	[02:29]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.185 = 2.37 BTC [-]	[02:31]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.256957 BTC [+]	[02:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.256958 BTC [+]	[02:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.257 BTC [+]	[02:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.257769 = 7.5466 BTC [+]	[02:32]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.257 BTC [-]	[02:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.185001 BTC [-]	[02:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.185 BTC [-]	[02:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.161 = 3.483 BTC [-]	[02:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1602 BTC [-]	[02:34]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1501 BTC [-]	[02:34]
kakobrekla	lots of traffic today	[02:34]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.2 = 2.4 BTC [+]	[02:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 1.15 = 3.45 BTC [-]	[02:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.14 BTC [-]	[02:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.13 = 2.26 BTC [-]	[02:36]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.13001 BTC [+]	[02:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 1.13 = 7.91 BTC [-]	[02:40]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.132 BTC [+]	[02:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.13001 BTC [-]	[02:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.13 BTC [-]	[02:42]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.12 = 5.6 BTC [-]	[02:42]
thestringpuller	mircea_popescu:	[02:43]
thestringpuller	are you around?	[02:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.1999 BTC [+]	[02:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25774 BTC [+]	[02:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.257739 BTC [-]	[02:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.19989 BTC [-]	[02:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.256 BTC [+]	[02:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 1.257769 = 7.5466 BTC [+]	[02:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25779 BTC [+]	[02:44]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 1.258949 = 6.2947 BTC [+]	[02:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 9 @ 1.258989 = 11.3309 BTC [+]	[02:45]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.12102 BTC [-]	[02:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.12101 BTC [-]	[02:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.121 BTC [-]	[02:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 10 @ 1.121 = 11.21 BTC [-]	[02:47]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 13 @ 1.12 = 14.56 BTC [-]	[02:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.121011 BTC [+]	[02:49]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 25 @ 1.12 = 28 BTC [-]	[02:49]
benkay	;;ticker	[02:51]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 112.80000, Best ask: 112.99899, Bid-ask spread: 0.19899, Last trade: 112.80000, 24 hour volume: 135032.52485955, 24 hour low: 92.00000, 24 hour high: 116.30000, 24 hour vwap: 106.49430	[02:51]
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mircea_popescu	ya	[02:53]
KRS-1	wtf is up with this fontas guy he's stirring up a lot of ..shit.	[02:56]
KRS-1	wouldnt be suprised if there were angry mobs with pitchforks forming.	[02:56]
mircea_popescu	fontas ?	[02:56]
KRS-1	sec	[02:56]
KRS-1	https://twitter.com/fontase/	[02:57]
mircea_popescu	some alt coin noob.	[02:57]
KRS-1	he's got 2K followers and at this point seems like he's fucking with a lot of people	[02:58]
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mircea_popescu	for all icare...	[03:02]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: see pm real quick	[03:04]
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kakobrekla	ok, good enough	[03:40]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/	[03:40]
mjr___	very nice	[03:46]
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BitHub	all hail fontase	[03:51]
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mircea_popescu	coolness kakobrekla	[03:53]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00069036 = 0.8284 BTC [+]	[04:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.00069468 = 7.3636 BTC [+]	[04:11]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25692 BTC [+]	[04:33]
deadweasel	;;ticker	[04:38]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 112.11100, Best ask: 113.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.88900, Last trade: 112.10001, 24 hour volume: 125480.73650669, 24 hour low: 92.99000, 24 hour high: 116.30000, 24 hour vwap: 107.54937	[04:38]
Jambo_	;;next	[04:40]
gribble	currently awaiting retracement to test 100-105 \| lower targets: 104, 94 \| upper targets: 120-123, 130 \| updated by OneFixt at May 4 2013, 21:20 UTC ( tips: http://bit.ly/YnxUM4 ) \| disclaimer: http://bit.ly/129bYJ6 \| this is not investment or trading advice \| #bitcoin-analysis \| 4 hours, 20 minutes, and 34 seconds ago	[04:40]
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Jambo_	look at mtgo	[05:04]
Jambo_	its going crazy	[05:04]
deadweasel	;;ticker	[05:04]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 117.01000, Best ask: 117.06000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 117.01000, 24 hour volume: 129990.03216512, 24 hour low: 92.99000, 24 hour high: 117.01000, 24 hour vwap: 107.91913	[05:04]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 10 @ 0.101 = 1.01 BTC [+]	[05:16]
assbot	[BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 41 @ 0.100021 = 4.1009 BTC [-]	[05:16]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25 @ 0.00068919 = 0.0172 BTC [-]	[05:18]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5398 @ 0.00068877 = 3.718 BTC [-]	[05:18]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 3 @ 0.01003 = 0.0301 BTC [+]	[05:18]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 66 @ 0.0125 = 0.825 BTC	[05:24]
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ThickAsThieves	yay	[05:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.22001 BTC [-]	[05:31]
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mod6	;;bc,stats	[05:34]
gribble	Current Blocks: 234564 \| Current Difficulty: 1.0076292883418716E7 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 235871 \| Next Difficulty In: 1307 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 56 minutes, and 45 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 10108252.5885 \| Estimated Percent Change: 0.31718	[05:35]
ThickAsThieves	seems a little odd that the estimated diff is not increasing even tho AM has added like 10TH...	[05:37]
louong	there are a lot of GPU miners selling their rigs or switching to alt coin mining (anecdotal)	[05:38]
Jambo_	;;ticker	[05:41]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 115.97761, Best ask: 115.99000, Bid-ask spread: 0.01239, Last trade: 115.97761, 24 hour volume: 133434.20303370, 24 hour low: 94.56359, 24 hour high: 118.36500, 24 hour vwap: 108.44522	[05:41]
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mircea_popescu	o hey, that's you ThickAsThieves	[05:51]
ThickAsThieves	yep, just went live on BTCT	[05:52]
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ThickAsThieves	been live on bitfunder for a couple days	[05:53]
mircea_popescu	cool	[05:55]
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Chaang-Noi	morning all	[05:57]
*	copumpkin fucks Chaang-Noi	[05:57]
Jambo_	hi	[05:57]
Jambo_	where u at?	[05:57]
Chaang-Noi	lol :)	[05:57]
Chaang-Noi	copumpkins sex dungon	[05:58]
Chaang-Noi	at least he game me one free hand to type	[05:58]
mircea_popescu	this sounds solanaceae-y	[05:58]
Chaang-Noi	Solanaceae are a family of flowering plants that includes a number of important agricultural crops. Although many species are toxic plants, some are edible and healthy.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	which are asterids, whereas curcubitacea are rosids. this is serious clade jumping going on here.	[06:00]
mircea_popescu	copumpkin is behaving out of character!	[06:00]
Chaang-Noi	i asked someone to fuck me yesterday, he got there first...	[06:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.25181 BTC [+]	[06:01]
joecool	copumpkin is copumpkin?	[06:01]
Chaang-Noi	i said some figurativly that he took litererly, and it cost my my anal virginity	[06:01]
joecool	;;ident copumpkin	[06:02]
gribble	Nick 'copumpkin', with hostmask 'copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin', is not identified.	[06:02]
Chaang-Noi	i wonder if it is a script, where he said that no matter waht i said	[06:02]
Chaang-Noi	it would ahve been in context 12 hours ago	[06:02]
mircea_popescu	seems so. robot pineaple from outer space	[06:03]
Chaang-Noi	it had to do with my shock of us being at 115 when i wanted to buy back in at 75	[06:03]
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*	Now talking on #bitcoin-assets	[11:16]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/	[11:16]
*	Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013	[11:16]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.219 BTC [-]	[11:39]
Chaang-Noi	hey MP https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg2032349#msg2032349	[11:40]
Chaang-Noi	think that could be the finish guy?	[11:40]
wao	hm	[11:40]
wao	why not	[11:40]
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mircea_popescu	nah. not at all the same facial features.	[11:44]
mircea_popescu	the camwhore pic is lol tho	[11:45]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 7 @ 0.410001 = 2.87 BTC [+]	[11:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 1 @ 0.41 BTC [-]	[11:46]
Chaang-Noi	i kinda doubt it as well, but man, it would explain a few things:)	[11:47]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 2 @ 0.4005 = 0.801 BTC [-]	[11:48]
mircea_popescu	well yeah. nevertheles...	[11:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22701 = 0.454 BTC [+]	[11:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.227 BTC [-]	[11:50]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.2263 = 0.4526 BTC [-]	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	no, i'm pretty sure this is a young guy with a little money/ a business who discovered btc later than us, got real excited, wanted to burn the stages	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	because wtf, why listen to mpoe-pr, she's a woman.	[11:50]
Chaang-Noi	i think he likes you honestly	[11:51]
Chaang-Noi	but cant deal with someone who only says insults	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	i think he dislikes me but would like my approval.	[11:51]
Chaang-Noi	she really for the most part does not do anything but show how trash she is	[11:51]
Chaang-Noi	she can not attack people with wit or class	[11:52]
Chaang-Noi	insults only go so far	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	have you seen the latest ?	[11:52]
Chaang-Noi	she can have good posts if she is objective and not attacking a person or idea	[11:52]
Chaang-Noi	i doubt it, im just talking about over the last 2 eyars or whatever	[11:52]
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Chaang-Noi	any one here want 10,000 ltc for 309 or so btc?	[11:53]
mircea_popescu	lemme see this, i lolled.	[11:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 1 @ 0.01255 BTC [+]	[11:53]
Chaang-Noi	shec an have good posts, but on average she does more harm than good	[11:53]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22632 BTC [+]	[11:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.22631 = 0.4526 BTC [-]	[11:54]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 12 @ 0.2263 = 2.7156 BTC [-]	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195110.msg2031276#msg2031276	[11:54]
mircea_popescu	she's actually better at the wit & class takedowns imo	[11:55]
mircea_popescu	it's just on the forum she rarely has any opportunity to.	[11:55]
Chaang-Noi	well these three people are clearly idots	[11:57]
Chaang-Noi	i avoid the whole economic subsection as 985 of the people who post there are idots	[11:57]
Chaang-Noi	the real people who understand, are doing shit...	[11:57]
Chaang-Noi	like in the assets subsection	[11:57]
mircea_popescu	she rarely if ever goes after people who actually do something afaik.	[11:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.13011 = 0.3903 BTC [+]	[11:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 3 @ 0.12501 = 0.375 BTC [-]	[11:59]
Chaang-Noi	she was after me for months about my mining operation claiming it was a scam cuz no photos. i told her three times the link to the photos wherein the op of the thread	[11:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.125001 BTC [-]	[11:59]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 5 @ 0.125 = 0.625 BTC [-]	[11:59]
Chaang-Noi	she has improved ill give you that but her last attack on reptillia man seems kinda lame	[12:00]
Chaang-Noi	seemed	[12:00]
Chaang-Noi	as crazy as it sounds, the repillia guy might be right and we hit, $300,000 a btc by new years	[12:01]
Chaang-Noi	i think he is nuts but it should be expressed with something other than an insult	[12:01]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.13012 BTC [+]	[12:01]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1001 BTC [-]	[12:02]
mircea_popescu	so go do it lol.	[12:03]
assbot	[BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.1 BTC [-]	[12:03]
Chaang-Noi	that sell to that repitilla guys has made my portfolio out of balance, i have more cash on hand than i want in thailand...	[12:04]
Chaang-Noi	i dont trust the banks	[12:04]
Chaang-Noi	the only way i see getting it out of thailand is buying back btc	[12:05]
Chaang-Noi	yeah	[12:05]
Chaang-Noi	well 1/2 of one	[12:05]
Chaang-Noi	he wired me 2.65 million baht	[12:05]
Chaang-Noi	well, he at one point had 2.65 million bhat	[12:05]
Chaang-Noi	but i would say yes	[12:05]
Chaang-Noi	he is a bit delusional but id say he is real	[12:06]
Chaang-Noi	well more than a bit	[12:06]
Chaang-Noi	yeah and he joined the bull market a bit too late	[12:06]
Chaang-Noi	$72 is his lowest buy in i think	[12:07]
Chaang-Noi	clearly he bought from me at 133 or so	[12:07]
Chaang-Noi	i dont know if higher or not	[12:07]
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Chaang-Noi	he claims to ahve 10,000 oz of silver	[12:08]
Chaang-Noi	im a silver bug and i dont even have that much silver	[12:08]
mircea_popescu	what's that, like 300 btc's worth ?	[12:09]
Chaang-Noi	$240,000 usd	[12:10]
Chaang-Noi	well more than that	[12:10]
Chaang-Noi	2100 or so btc	[12:10]
mircea_popescu	aha	[12:10]
Chaang-Noi	nothing massive, but its still something	[12:10]
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mircea_popescu	ye	[12:12]
Chaang-Noi	lol	[12:13]
Chaang-Noi	i have a 1000 oz bar....	[12:13]
Chaang-Noi	i dont have photos of my silver	[12:14]
Chaang-Noi	honestly half of it iv never even seen	[12:15]
Chaang-Noi	mine is only 970ish oz but its a comex bar, they call it 1000oz bars.	[12:17]
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mircea_popescu	if anyone cares, seems the lme is moving to hk	[12:18]
Chaang-Noi	does not really effect me	[12:19]
Chaang-Noi	but really, its logical	[12:19]
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Chaang-Noi	:)	[12:24]
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Chaang-Noi	he is a nutter who odds are is on coke/weed and thinks btw will be 1 million usd by christmas	[12:34]
Chaang-Noi	he is also having a conferance in finland where everyone is forced to wear top hats and drive in limos	[12:34]
Chaang-Noi	otehr than looking fancy they are going to try to set up a "super node" dealership network	[12:34]
Chaang-Noi	however no one is going cuz lack of plaaning and it being too soon	[12:34]
Chaang-Noi	mp did that pretty much cover it?	[12:34]
Chaang-Noi	i might have left something out, been a lot of lulz	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	lol i had no idea about the top hats	[12:35]
Chaang-Noi	well... im not sure what he wants to accomplish	[12:35]
mircea_popescu	bwahahaha	[12:35]
Chaang-Noi	mp well they are not forced to wear top hats but he did get a limo and the point is to be a show off	[12:36]
mircea_popescu	yeah. so weird tho, americans are really uncomfortable showing off.	[12:36]
Chaang-Noi	i did exagerate that a bit	[12:40]
Chaang-Noi	but it just seemed fitting for the style he is going for	[12:40]
Chaang-Noi	the first 3 qare his staff	[12:40]
Chaang-Noi	so really only 3	[12:40]
Chaang-Noi	and they are all new people who are in the area who want to learn more about btc	[12:40]
Chaang-Noi	i dont think they are "super nodes"	[12:40]
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mircea_popescu	what's a node anyway.	[12:40]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.msg2030167#msg2030167 lmao	[12:42]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.22631 BTC [+]	[12:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 9 @ 0.2263 = 2.0367 BTC [-]	[12:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 1.219 = 4.876 BTC [-]	[12:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 1.219 = 2.438 BTC [-]	[12:46]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 18 @ 0.01255 = 0.2259 BTC [+]	[12:46]
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Chaang-Noi	inaba is about as good with pr as your girl...	[12:49]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	not really.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	actually i don't know anyone nearly as good as her on those forums.	[12:52]
Chaang-Noi	for pr?	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	perhaps gavin, but only on the condition that he keeps quiet a lot on most issues.	[12:52]
mircea_popescu	yes for pr.	[12:52]
Chaang-Noi	well to each thier own, imo they both do more hard to the image of the company they work for	[12:53]
Chaang-Noi	harm*	[12:53]
mircea_popescu	pr is about communication, you must be confusing it with advertising ?	[12:53]
Chaang-Noi	public relations, yes clearly there is communication, but you communicate ideas, the ideas she communicates are not what i would considrer to be good	[12:54]
Chaang-Noi	inaba same	[12:54]
Chaang-Noi	as in not good for the image of the company she represents and is speaking for	[12:55]
Chaang-Noi	when she has the PR tag she is your face to the world	[12:55]
Chaang-Noi	people see her, and judge you and your company	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	yeah. exactly.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	the difference here would be that inaba never gave a strauight answer, has been caught lieing etc.	[12:56]
Chaang-Noi	they dont take her siourly, and so they dont take you either	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	mpoe-pr has given nothing but straight answers, and has alweays been right.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	seems to me quite a difference there.	[12:56]
mircea_popescu	i beg to differ.	[12:56]
Chaang-Noi	yes there is a differance between her and inaba, but just cuz inaba is fail does not mean your pr girl is good	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	she's probably the only one there taken quite seriously.	[12:57]
Chaang-Noi	by whom?	[12:57]
Chaang-Noi	she is one of the mostly highly ignored people	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	everyone. when she drops the shoe the entire dev team gets cracking for one.	[12:57]
cads	mircea_popescu: re. the showing off, I've often wondered about that myself.	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	eh right, like that matters.	[12:57]
mircea_popescu	cads aha ?	[12:58]
Chaang-Noi	placing someone on ignore does not = respect	[12:58]
Chaang-Noi	but what truffles said, it does seem you guys just dont give a fuck	[12:58]
cads	In america, when someone shows off they tend to be an asshole. Keeping your cards close to your chest is often a better social move here, because showing off invites open ridicule.	[12:59]
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mircea_popescu	truffles is of course on my ignore, so yeah.	[12:59]
cads	From my personal experience, for example, when Romanians show off in front of Americans, at best they tend to be perceived as lovable assholes. The fact that many romanians tend to show off only they can back it with something tangible helps in establishing relationships between americans and romanians, but there is often a secret distaste.	[12:59]
Chaang-Noi	yeah showing off in thailand is so much different than showing off in the usa	[12:59]
mircea_popescu	cads where's the romanians spring up from ?!	[12:59]
cads	I'm romanian, hah	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	a lol ok.	[13:00]
Chaang-Noi	wow 2/3rd of this conversation is romainian :)	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the problem is mistaken socialisation. the average american can not simply go talk to a woman.	[13:00]
mircea_popescu	they have weirdo protestant issues.	[13:00]
Chaang-Noi	i ahve no problem with your girl being a girl, that is not it at all lol	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	no, we were discussing his showoff thing.	[13:01]
Chaang-Noi	inaba?	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	i thought the mpoe-pr discussion is over, as in, sigh.	[13:01]
Chaang-Noi	reptilla?	[13:01]
mircea_popescu	are you ignoring cads or something ?	[13:02]
cads	mircea_popescu: yep. And they're also very guarded about their real capabilities, so for example, whereas a romanian might be happy to brag about how little he payed on a car if you ask, asking an american the same question is often a faux pas.	[13:02]
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Chaang-Noi	im multy tasking, sorry, im sure the fail is on my end	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	eh faux pas my foot.	[13:02]
mircea_popescu	i submit that taking this retarded childrengarten bullshit into consideration is empowering the mental disease.	[13:02]
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mircea_popescu	it's not a faux pas and if johnny thinks so let him go in a corner and sulk	[13:03]
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Chaang-Noi	in thailand if you ahve money you are expected to show off	[13:03]
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Chaang-Noi	people pay 4 times the normal price of a car (cuz taxes) just so they can show off	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	lol	[13:04]
cads	hehe	[13:04]
cads	nice!	[13:04]
Chaang-Noi	people respect things ehre more than people and idea	[13:04]
mircea_popescu	nobody can just be normal it seems ;/	[13:04]
Chaang-Noi	its not how smart your brain is, but how smart you are dressed that matters	[13:04]
Chaang-Noi	mp truffles wants to know what "normal" means	[13:05]
cads	mircea_popescu: for salaried upper middle class workers in romania, what is the normal attitude towards revealing their exact salary figure to their coworkers?	[13:06]
Chaang-Noi	ah wage slaves	[13:07]
mircea_popescu	cads i have no idea tbh.	[13:07]
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cads	Say I receive $100K a year, and I suspect that this is $20K more than the rest of my coworkers in the same position as me, because I'm more skilled. Would it be something I'd brag about?	[13:07]
Chaang-Noi	i dont think mp knows many wage slaves	[13:09]
cads	hehe, perhaps not	[13:10]
mircea_popescu	yeah i tend to not hire romanians	[13:10]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, as far as salaries go about 7k a year pre tax would be an average salary.	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	i don't see where exactly you'd be making 100k a year and have coworkers in the same office making 80.	[13:11]
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mircea_popescu	senior tv execs working for the main network make 15 or some shit	[13:12]
Chaang-Noi	do most people speak english in romania?	[13:13]
Chaang-Noi	sounds like a fun place to visit	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	senior corporate officers in state entreprises make something like 15-20k and they're talking of introducing a tax just for them to lower that.	[13:13]
cads	mircea_popescu: this is common here in upper management in mid to large scale businesses. My understanding is that when the amounts of money are that large, it becomes profitable to remain private about them. People say "I got the raise!" but don't say how much the raise was.	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	Chaang-Noi the younger kids mostly do, about half pretty well about half so-so	[13:13]
mircea_popescu	the older folks mostly don't.	[13:13]
Chaang-Noi	cool	[13:13]
Chaang-Noi	if i make it to europe ill stop by	[13:14]
mircea_popescu	cads you know i'm perfectly aware who makes what where	[13:14]
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mircea_popescu	"Can Facebook lead to psychosis? One study says so" win.	[13:15]
cads	hah, charming	[13:15]
mircea_popescu	where are you anyway, canada ?	[13:16]
cads	Atlanta	[13:16]
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cads	You? Bucharest?	[13:17]
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Chaang-Noi	can you hunt brown bears?	[13:27]
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cads	Chaang-Noi: are you from thailand?	[13:27]
cads	hehe, truffles, are you just used to people ignoring you?	[13:27]
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cads	truff1es: I mean, this "everyone on the internet are assholes" attitude. What does that win? Imo, I only see people on the net as assholes when 1) I'm expecting them to mollycoddle and be nice to me 2) my emotional state somehow depends on whether they agree with me or 3) I take what people they far more seriously than the medium would indicate is rational.	[13:37]
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cads	This is a cheap-talk medium for the most part. Bad argumentation, bravado, and meanness are the game here - imo, you can only distinguish yourself by making decent arguments, being philosophically charitable, and ignoring "asshole" behavior	[13:38]
cads	truff1es: I agree. if I'm getting ignored but I'm not also ignoring the people that have ignored me, then I'm admitting some sort of moral defeat,	[13:40]
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cads	truff1es: I mean, some people are so incoherent in their opinions that I get the distinct feeling that I'm _stupider_ after arguing with them, and if these people consistently attack my positions with poor argument tactics, then I have little to gain from them in way of exchange of ideas, and I ignore them.	[13:42]
cads	truff1es: information from a random variable is what you make of it, true, but if the variable is too random, it's impossible to make knowledge from it, however hard you try :D	[13:44]
cads	truffles, lets put it this way. Consider you talk to 10 people online, and you know that 9 of those people tend to say things that you fine useful, some of the time. But now imagine that the 10th person not only says things that are useless, they also try to mislead you, and they drown out the reasonable words of the other 9 people.	[13:47]
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cads	And suppose that after extensive attempts at asking for clarification, the person continues to demonstrate that they do not have your interest in mind - they continue to BS you, and what's worse, arguing with them makes you look like a fool in front of the other 9 people.	[13:48]
cads	truff1es: sure, let me clarify with an example. 9 people are decent people interested in talking about the topic, and the 10th person is just a troll, interested in ridiculing anyone that gives them attention. Say they are flooding the channel, and there are no ops, and you're being distracted from your other 9 contemporaries.	[13:50]
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cads	would you not ignore the offensive charachter? Or would you force yourself to take cognitive loss, and manually take the time filter out the useless chatter?	[13:51]
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cads	truff1es: giving yourself a cognitive advantage by ignoring the poor information source is a good strategy in these situations - it's not weakness, it's prudence.	[13:52]
mircea_popescu	cads http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/my-background-cliffsnotes/	[13:53]
mircea_popescu	there, you're responsible.	[13:53]
cads	oh dear god, for what?	[13:53]
cads	oh what have I done :D	[13:54]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[13:55]
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cads	hehe, truff1es I hear what you're saying, but surely even you draw limits at a certain point: consider, one may choose not hang out on 4chan. This is the same as ignoring every single member of 4chan. If you believe you have the capacity to filter out all information by directly reading it, then why aren't you plugged into every chat in the world, filtering?	[13:56]
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cads	that was uncharitable, but I hope you get my drift - ignoring someone is just one of the many ways of filtering your information input	[13:57]
cads	I believe that you simply assign a negative emotional connotation towards it because you've been at the blunt end of an ignore or two, and you know how much that stings	[13:58]
*	cads has as well, in his day	[13:58]
cads	I would agree there	[14:01]
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cads	nah, I think I may have made a red herring there	[14:02]
cads	truff1es: also, it occurs to me that leaving a chat room is not the same as ignoring everyone in that chat room. Information is not symmetric, in the latter case.	[14:03]
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cads	truff1es: If I ignore someone in a chat, they can still see what I'm saying. So it's not the same thing as leaving the chat. Ignore can be used to assert a sort of dominance.	[14:05]
cads	truff1es: In other words, ignore actually can be used as an asshole strategy. is that part of your argument against the desirability of ignore?	[14:07]
cads	I would argue that I have used ignore judiciously many times... but I'd also admit that I've used it a few times in a mean spirit.	[14:07]
cads	shrug, in any case, we could philosophize about this all day	[14:08]
cads	any closing words?	[14:08]
cads	it's time to cook some breakfast and get started with the day here :D	[14:08]
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mircea_popescu	now you know why he's on my ignore.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	there's plenty of fucking support channels for people with emo issues. this happens to be the bitcoin assets chan.	[14:09]
mircea_popescu	he has no assets and so doesn't really belong.	[14:09]
cads	haha, mircea_popescu, and what assets have I? Besides my charming good looks, which are hardly fungible ;)	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	it's a start.	[14:12]
cads	I guess maybe the only claim to legitimacy I have is that I'm genuinely interested in understanding assets	[14:12]
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cads	truff1es: good deal. as long as we remain teachable, life is pretty good, I find	[14:24]
cads	just.. don't learn any lessons that are not profitable	[14:25]
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Chaaang-Noi	piratebay now accepts litecoins :)	[14:28]
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Chaaang-Noi	what?	[14:30]
Chaaang-Noi	to send them ltcs?	[14:30]
Chaaang-Noi	piratebay.sx	[14:30]
Chaaang-Noi	but no, to send ltc you dont need a mirror, that is not how litecoin owrks	[14:30]
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Chaaang-Noi	then send them some crypto they take btc too	[14:33]
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Chaaang-Noi	111.111 lol	[14:58]
Chaaang-Noi	;ticker	[14:58]
Chaaang-Noi	;;ticker	[14:58]
gribble	BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 111.10903, Best ask: 112.08978, Bid-ask spread: 0.98075, Last trade: 112.08978, 24 hour volume: 138738.91461295, 24 hour low: 101.10201, 24 hour high: 118.85000, 24 hour vwap: 111.33594	[14:58]
thestringpuller	Chaaang-Noi: you cool as shit	[15:00]
thestringpuller	even tho u a bit cray cray	[15:00]
Chaaang-Noi	lol what?	[15:01]
Uglux	lol	[15:01]
thestringpuller	You is living the American Dream in Thailand.	[15:04]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah	[15:04]
Chaaang-Noi	life is good	[15:05]
thestringpuller	life is always good if you are living :P	[15:05]
thestringpuller	or at least should be	[15:05]
kakobrekla	sup	[15:05]
Chaaang-Noi	i hear guantanimo bay sucks	[15:05]
cads	mircea_popescu, I read your story - quite the adventure, I see. I admire your tenacity and natural talent, while being relieved to see that you do not yet have it "all figured out", which I feel would be boring for you. I wish you continued prosperity and a future that does not cease to provide interesting situations!	[15:05]
thestringpuller	Okay: life is always good if you are living and not locked up. :P	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	ha. ty.	[15:06]
thestringpuller	you are making us atlantians look bad cads	[15:06]
cads	I'm amazed with the care and attention that romanian schools give to the smart kids - here in america, being bright means being ridiculed	[15:06]
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thestringpuller	cads: We got Ludacris and Outkast tho.	[15:06]
thestringpuller	And the Braves.	[15:07]
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cads	thestringpuller: and some nice architecture, to boot	[15:07]
cads	thestringpuller: you are an atlien?	[15:07]
Chaaang-Noi	where is this story about mp?	[15:07]
thestringpuller	LOL. I live here. But I was born an lived my infancy in da north.	[15:08]
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cads	Chaaang-Noi: repaste is here: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/my-background-cliffsnotes/	[15:08]
thestringpuller	I lived her most my life*	[15:08]
cads	thestringpuller: the real test: do you ever use the word "y'all"	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	cads well that was some years ago.	[15:08]
cads	or the phrase "what had happened was..."	[15:08]
thestringpuller	I is from da burbs though.	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	but yes, being smart meant you get the blowjobs back then	[15:08]
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thestringpuller	No. I'm a suburban unfortunately. But my homies is gangsta.	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	fwiw, i liked atlanta.	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	i liked atlanta too	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	went there recently	[15:09]
kakobrekla	trap http://www.rtcons.com/wall/15830.11.png	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	some of it reminded me of parts of Boston	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	looks like a bad geek hairdo	[15:10]
ThickAsThieves	it's the only metro city i've been to in the southeast that i liked	[15:10]
cads	mircea_popescu, ThickAsThieves, ty. I love my city, and really, economically, architecturally, culturally, there are only a handful of other american cities that match or exceed it.	[15:10]
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cads	at least so I tell myself, lol	[15:11]
thestringpuller	Atlanta is lame yo. Whatchu talkin' bout cads.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	you could do worse. you could be from like... i dunno, mobile ?	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	la ?	[15:11]
thestringpuller	We have lame colleges, and lame infrastructure. We just happen to not be as lame as the other places around us.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	lame colleges only matter up until you're about 25. then you realise it's a waste of time anyway	[15:12]
cads	thestringpuller: haha, as a recent college dropout, I can attest to the lame college. As a daily marta rider for the last two years, I can attest to the failing infrastructure.	[15:12]
thestringpuller	State school kinda suck. It's all public image and no substance.	[15:13]
thestringpuller	Exactly what mircea_popescu loves.	[15:13]
thestringpuller	:P	[15:13]
cads	still, there is something rough, vulgar, and thriving about this city that I don't feel when in, say, pittsburg, or saint louis, or miami	[15:13]
thestringpuller	That's because so many people come through it.	[15:13]
thestringpuller	Atlanta is a whore with that airport of hers.	[15:13]
cads	imo, hating on atlanta and loving on it are the same practice, so anyways, enough loving on atlanta ;)	[15:14]
thestringpuller	http://mbostock.github.io/d3/talk/20111116/airports.html hover over atlanta	[15:14]
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mircea_popescu	whoa i had no diea	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	bigger than ohare even	[15:15]
cads	oh gosh, the airport... it's like rich white men said, "lets take the poorest sector of the city and put an airport in it. But here's the catch, lets hire _only people from the suburbs, MUAHAHAHA"	[15:15]
thestringpuller	The only thing more lame than living in Atlanta is Texas.	[15:16]
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mircea_popescu	i loved texas gtfo	[15:17]
thestringpuller	Have you ever lived there?!?	[15:17]
thestringpuller	That place is miserable unless you were born in a desert :P	[15:17]
cads	actually, there's a lot of that 'white privilege' sentiment going on it Atlanta. That, and the narrow religious views, those are the only things I really dislike about my city.	[15:17]
thestringpuller	cads: not the trend of becoming hipster land	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	thestringpuller you kidding, all it has are hot blondy bartenders who buy me drinks	[15:18]
thestringpuller	so does LA but the weather is far superior	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	meh.	[15:19]
thestringpuller	It goes over 100 in that Texas/Arizona region	[15:19]
cads	thestringpuller: one time some black dudes came into my house and beat me and robbed me at gun point. The interrogated me for an hour about where the drugs were (my roommate at the time was a drug dealer - bad fucking choice on my part). In the months after that I found rascist sentiment from around me was taking root in my mind very easily.	[15:20]
cads	so I decided to hate hipsters instead	[15:20]
thestringpuller	The only time I've gone to Las Vegas I thought I was going to melt, or at least my shoes.	[15:20]
cads	I despise rascism as a form of extreme mental weakness	[15:20]
cads	but then I realized that my new found hate of hipsters was just as bad!	[15:20]
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mircea_popescu	cads wait.	[15:21]
thestringpuller	dude hipsters suuuuck, they are leftovers from the dot com boom	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	you KNEW he was dealing ?	[15:21]
cads	mircea_popescu: worse, I was a customer. He was a pot dealer, nothing serious, but he had a high profile.	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	well that was pretty retarded, then. what did you think was going to happen ?	[15:22]
thestringpuller	cads is jesse pinkman	[15:22]
thestringpuller	lol	[15:23]
cads	mircea_popescu: I wasn't in a mental state to attempt to compute rational expectations at the time.	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	i'm envisaging that brad pitt role in true romance	[15:23]
cads	thestringpuller: haha, minus the meth	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	incidentally, wasn't that the most adequate role for pitt ever ?	[15:23]
cads	haha, you're going to think me a philistine, but I've not seen the film, despite being a pitt fan	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	its not bad.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	actually i wonder...	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema true romance	[15:25]
gribble	New MPEx key pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; So what's the plan with MPOE/MPEx ? pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: ; The Trilemma Revised: Harry Potter and a Landscape of Moral ...:	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	seems not	[15:25]
Chaaang-Noi	mp Argentina eh?	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/true-romance-tarantino-cut/	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	dude google is fucking useless	[15:25]
Chaaang-Noi	i want has visit	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	Chaaang-Noi bring silver	[15:25]
Chaaang-Noi	that i can do	[15:25]
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cads	thestringpuller: remember when pinkman is in rehab, convincing others to go back out and use? Yeah, I don't think I was ever that bad off, lol	[15:25]
Chaaang-Noi	they like dollars as well	[15:25]
cads	that's just low, lol	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	Chaaang-Noi its a joke. i think half the world;s silver comes from argentina	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	hence the motherfuckin' name	[15:26]
Chaaang-Noi	i know they have hard currancy issues,	[15:26]
cads	mircea_popescu: aha, another person that notices that google's performance is collapsing under the cascade of data	[15:26]
Chaaang-Noi	i dont think silver is a bad idea, but dollars from the usa are better	[15:26]
cads	mircea_popescu: we need another fundamental breakthrough in search engine technology, but soon.	[15:26]
kakobrekla	i think the problem is gribble aint personalized :)	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	cads by the time you give it the site title and two words from the page title and it finds two pages on that site w/o the words in them...	[15:27]
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mircea_popescu	kakobrekla you know my browser is anon.	[15:27]
cads	perhaps an incentive structure that doesn't force the search engine firm to degrade its search quality in return for profits	[15:27]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu they only correct way	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	cads that's only going to happen once we make marketing illegal.	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	i don't understand why rape is illegal and marketing is not ffs.	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	the other way around would make for a better world even.	[15:28]
cads	Haha, trading the maiden-hood for the consumer good.	[15:30]
cads	you may be right, strictly speaking - the problem is that people have not yet understood that marketing equals coercion	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	but i mean, what, they put up signs and what, i have to "Deal with it" ?	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	why doesn't the rape victim "Deal with it" while all the marketing bullshit is punished by 20 to life.	[15:32]
cads	hah, mircea, for someone with such a pretty mouth you sure are courageous to unleash rape on the world	[15:32]
cads	legal rape would still be abhorrent	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	legal marketing is even more abhorrent	[15:33]
cads	hehe, and pardon my joke	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	actually ima write this up, the similarities line up all too well.	[15:33]
cads	mircea_popescu: I would be forced to agree, though in your writeup consider that you are a parent with a daughter. You live in a world where the collapse of the viability of marketing strategies has lead to an unprecedented increase in the productivity and quality of life, on average. And all that you've had to pay is that your daughter got raped 6 times while she was growing up, starting at the age of 6, with her teacher, 9 with a boy	[15:36]
cads	in the town, 11 with a janitor, and so on. You did not have legal resource in these situations, and the 2 men that you secretly had killed, they could put you in jail from beyond the grave if you are discovered. You live in a world of unprecedented prosperity, where vigilantism is prohibited.	[15:36]
cads	is this is acceptable from this peasant father perspective?	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	you know this is exactly how women got pregnant for most of human history ?	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	and when i say most i don't mean 51%. i mean 99.9999addnines%	[15:37]
cads	granted, and it's also how most animals get pregnant	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	for that matter, if your putative daughter gets raped today your practical recourse is	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	;;google that russian guy who went on a rampage cause they raped his daughter	[15:38]
gribble	War rape - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; List of serial killers by number of victims - Wikipedia, the free ...: ; Ram Singh: Delhi gang rape suspect's family claim he was ...:	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	totally useful this google doohickey.	[15:38]
mircea_popescu	explain to me again why people think it should have a higher market cap than mpoe ?	[15:38]
cads	marketing ;)	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	ol	[15:40]
mircea_popescu	good one	[15:40]
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cads	mircea_popescu, you know sexual molestation is not only prevalent among females, but also among males. We are truly animals when we allow ourselves to be, and who can estimate the lost productivity due to the social and psychological handicaps imposed by such scarring episodes of violence?	[15:43]
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cads	it is perhaps true that if society accepted it the negative impact per rape victim would go down, but the net effect would be negative almost surely, since the new rape-rate equilibrium would be immense	[15:44]
cads	and yet still probably cheaper than the loss due to marketing and irrational consumerism, hah.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	indeed.	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	i am not arguing rape is good	[15:44]
mircea_popescu	i am arguing rape is bad and marketing is way worse.	[15:45]
kakobrekla	seriously argentina?	[15:45]
cads	also rape can be good if she asks for it in that certain way :)	[15:45]
cads	but that's hardly rape, however much it may attempt to simulate it	[15:45]
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*	cads has hung out with a girl that liked being tied up, and even once got into a situation where 3 strangers took turns giving her forced orgasms against her will, and managed to walk away with her dignity miraculously intact	[15:49]
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cads	hehe, I dunno if that constituted rape though	[15:49]
cads	certainly the men felt that the would not have to answer to rape charges due to the nature of the sex play situation, and she never filed charges, and seems to have chalked it up as "just one of those things"	[15:50]
kakobrekla	does she still want to be tied up?	[15:50]
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cads	hehe, lovely girl, and a smart mathematician, the best tit's I've ever... kakobrekla yes	[15:51]
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cads	but she's getting married now, sadly :D	[15:51]
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kakobrekla	not so smart mathematitican then	[15:51]
cads	haha, if you were a mathematician you'd know just how stupid we are	[15:52]
cads	I once spent 5 hours arguing with her that transfinite ordinals are no obviously inconsistent, against her objections	[15:53]
cads	and then we went to bed, and the next morning she was up proving the basic properties of transfinite ordinals	[15:53]
kakobrekla	hehe	[15:53]
cads	and had made me pankakes and written "you were right" in whipped cream	[15:54]
cads	the _only_ argument I ever 'won', that girl was stubborn	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	titican lol	[15:55]
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kakobrekla	lol	[15:55]
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mircea_popescu	cads http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/	[15:56]
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mircea_popescu	there, no rope needed.	[15:56]
kakobrekla	also learn to skim read	[15:56]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, so did she ever find the aleph-one ?	[15:57]
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cads	mircea_popescu: yeah, his name is shawn, and they're pretty perfect for each other - each as stubborn as the day is long	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	nono	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	i mean, the intermediate cardinal	[15:59]
mircea_popescu	between naturals and reals.	[16:00]
cads	haha, we never did talk about the continuum hypothesis	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	but that'd have been the end of your debate	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	here, there's an extra infinite.	[16:00]
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cads	we got to isomorphism classes between ordered set, and I tried at long length to motivate that the real numbers were not countable, and she kept coming up with silly schemes to try to count them, because to her, at the time, it was absolutely absurd for there two be two infinite sets with qualitatively different amounts of infiniteness	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	um	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	that's easily provable tho neh ? cantor's countability trick	[16:03]
mircea_popescu	sort out all the numbers then show you can make one which is distinct from each on a different digit	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	by "easily provable" i mean easily showable to the intuitive approach	[16:03]
cads	yep, suppose that C_k : N -> R is a counting of the real numbers, then there exists a number x_k such that x_k is not in the image of C_k	[16:04]
cads	x_k is easy to construct for any possible C_k	[16:04]
mircea_popescu	ya but it helps if you actually list them out	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	but anyway	[16:05]
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mircea_popescu	alternatively of course, she could have proven the continuum, thus proving frankel set theory incorrect,which is also good enough	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	either way, either by producing a counter example or by actually showing the hyptothesis to be correct	[16:07]
mircea_popescu	and by incorrect i mean inconsistenty	[16:07]
cads	it was strange, like a cognitive blindspot - I tried what you suggest, and a few other approaches that I invented just during that conversation (which have been useful in similar situation). I lost a lot of faith in her as a mathematician, but regained it in the morning - she was chattering like a bluejay about how she now sees why she was wrong in her reasoning and why I was right: her intuition was that you can't just infinitely exte	[16:09]
cads	nd C_k to C_k', and for some reason just wasn't getting that _forall_ C_k there is an x_k, and that even any C_k' that she could concoct would also have its own fatal x_k'.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	lol	[16:10]
cads	mircea_popescu: now wouldn't that have been a sight? two stoned college math students, disproving ZFC	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	freud would have been happy	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	"see ? woman brain!"	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	schopenhauer even happier.	[16:10]
mircea_popescu	in his gloomy way.	[16:10]
cads	to her credit, her area was in the statistics of neuronal bursting in biological neural networks, and for some god awful reason, basic logic courses at our university do _not_ adequately introduce foundational issues such as ordinals or even set theory as an axiomatic topic	[16:12]
mircea_popescu	anyway, it is my considered opinion (along with, i wager, most everyone else's) that positively the ONLY way that's getting show to be inconsistent is	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	by some intoxicated kids during having sex or somesuch	[16:13]
mircea_popescu	everything else was tried to death.	[16:13]
cads	it's like, naive set theory without talking about the axiom of choice, or the axiom of infinity, or the implications.. part of the reason I recently dropped out - if this is what the undergraduate math degree means here, I'm not interested in it	[16:13]
cads	mircea_popescu: haha, you may be on to something	[16:14]
cads	maybe she was on to the truth and I squelched her breakthrough!	[16:15]
mircea_popescu	feelbad.gif	[16:15]
cads	I stopped hanging out with her to get sober and start hanging out with a vocalist/painter, and then a year later I found she's engaged - I wonder if she knows I still have sentiment.. it's not something I thought I had	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	well did you tell her ?	[16:17]
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cads	not at the time, and not since I heard she was settling down - I was muddled up back then, and more recently I figured she has a chance at happiness with her guy, and have wished that to her.	[16:20]
zebedee_	Chaaang-Noi: I'll buy some THB from you for BTC if you're in a bad way.	[16:21]
mircea_popescu	stop being such a fag and tell the girl.	[16:21]
zebedee_	Gotta pay for my fun somehow.	[16:21]
cads	It's not a longing sentiment, since we had our issues, and she's still a toker, and I still am sober, thought you're probably right, it would not hurt her to know that I marvel and take joy in the high points of our relationship	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	for the record, i never met a sane mathematician who was any good.	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	if you had a business head on your shoulders as good as mine, you'd start a special slush fgund about now	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	and when her current relationship implodes you can bridge her for half a year on rent and food while she sucks your cock and figures out what next.	[16:23]
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cads	brilliant strategery	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	you can even tell her this when it happens and she's all confused, "honey... here's a chatlog"	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	zebedee_ pix ?	[16:25]
cads	you're talking to someone that just a year ago found the idea of leverage very exotic, and just 6 months ago was aghast to find out that his financial position has sickeningly leveraged re. his student loans, and decided to put his schooling on panic crash	[16:26]
cads	haha, for me to set aside a slush fund just for women, now that would be bold	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	lol well... not ghood ideas are practical.	[16:27]
cads	but not hard at all, and a fun exercise in personal wealth management	[16:27]
zebedee_	pix? Meeting Goat on Tuesday.	[16:29]
zebedee_	Nothing wrong with enjoying getting tied up. I like both ends myself.	[16:29]
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zebedee_	http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7046/6855106703_844f08ffbd_z.jpg I've had shibari lessons from this dude.	[16:33]
mircea_popescu	i never took lessosn	[16:34]
zebedee_	Definitely helps; Japanese are the best IMO.	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	helps what tho ?	[16:34]
zebedee_	There's skill in a) safety (quick release, avoiding pressure in bad areas etc). and b) aesthetics	[16:35]
zebedee_	I've seen others and there's a lot lacking, to my eyes at least.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	safety is unrelated tho, it's just a study of anatomy. can learn it a thousand different ways.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	and i guess my motivation is not aesthetical.	[16:35]
mircea_popescu	or if it is, it's personal rather than cultural. i couldn't care less what some japanese dude finds beautiful.	[16:36]
Chaaang-Noi	zebedee_ im not in a bad way but i could buy some thai baht, you in thailand?	[16:37]
zebedee_	Oh I thought you had too many. I don't have any.	[16:37]
zebedee_	Will be on Tuesday as discussed.	[16:38]
Chaaang-Noi	oh right, sorry, did not even register :)	[16:38]
zebedee_	lol	[16:38]
zebedee_	You wanna sell THB? If not I'll just dump some JPY notes.	[16:38]
Chaaang-Noi	some guy wants to meet me to sell 30,000 thai baht for btc wheni go	[16:38]
Chaaang-Noi	you want to buy more btc	[16:39]
Chaaang-Noi	?	[16:39]
zebedee_	No I want THB. I'm indifferent to dropping some BTC or JPY.	[16:39]
Chaaang-Noi	oh right, sorry, i did not read that collectly	[16:39]
zebedee_	If you want to sell THB then I'll buy some off you. If you don't it's cool.	[16:39]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah ill sell you thai baht	[16:39]
Chaaang-Noi	how much are you looking for?	[16:40]
zebedee_	OK. About $1k equivalent, so perhaps 30k THB.	[16:40]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah thats cool	[16:40]
Chaaang-Noi	there is a guy who is going to meet me in bkk with 30,000 thb to buy btc so this should work out perfectly	[16:40]
zebedee_	OK. Let's call it 25k for now.	[16:40]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah thats fine	[16:41]
Chaaang-Noi	im easy	[16:41]
zebedee_	Nice.	[16:41]
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Chaaang-Noi	ill have cash on hand even if thqat other guy does not show	[16:42]
Chaaang-Noi	he has not responced once i confirmed the dats	[16:42]
Chaaang-Noi	dates	[16:42]
zebedee_	OK, done.	[16:42]
Chaaang-Noi	cool	[16:43]
zebedee_	I'll have them on my phone.	[16:43]
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Chaaang-Noi	you can send to my laptop?	[16:43]
zebedee_	Of course; I send to a BTC address :)	[16:43]
Chaaang-Noi	i can send you an address before hand but dont send until we meet and i show you the cash	[16:43]
zebedee_	Sure that's not a problem.	[16:44]
Chaaang-Noi	its crazy sending in advance	[16:44]
Chaaang-Noi	you hear about that finish guy? wired me 2.65 million baht	[16:44]
zebedee_	I was assuming you'd show me a QR on your mobile, but whatever.	[16:44]
Chaaang-Noi	still has not asked for his btc	[16:44]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah i dont trust phones	[16:44]
zebedee_	Yeah; that's why I thought you had too many THB.	[16:44]
zebedee_	I can understand that.	[16:44]
Chaaang-Noi	iv used them just to try it out, but id rather just use the laptob	[16:45]
Chaaang-Noi	tob	[16:45]
zebedee_	No probs.	[16:45]
Chaaang-Noi	fuck	[16:45]
Chaaang-Noi	sorry, had a few beers	[16:45]
Chaaang-Noi	cant type	[16:45]
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Chaaang-Noi	we are moving and giving away a lot of our extra furniture and stuff to the cambodian migrant workers here	[16:45]
Chaaang-Noi	and well, cant work with out beer :)	[16:45]
zebedee_	Which part of Thailand do you live in?	[16:46]
cads	mircea_popescu, I think you've inspired me to put a beginning of a story on my (currently nearly empty) blog.	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	cool.	[16:46]
cads	it will be far grittier than yours, just a start to a possible tale of intrigue	[16:46]
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Chaaang-Noi	i live near koh chang	[16:47]
Chaaang-Noi	near the cambo boarder	[16:48]
Chaaang-Noi	lots of fruit orchirds here	[16:48]
Chaaang-Noi	so lots of workers	[16:48]
zebedee_	Ah right. I was in Siam Reap in November.	[16:48]
Chaaang-Noi	cool	[16:48]
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Chaaang-Noi	hey that guy just contacted me	[16:49]
Chaaang-Noi	should i invite him to nana? i honestly know almost nothing about him so i dont know if he is cool or not	[16:49]
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Chaaang-Noi	he is new to btc	[16:49]
Chaaang-Noi	but seems to live in bkk	[16:49]
zebedee_	Up to you.	[16:49]
zebedee_	You seem to be not too far from Koh Samet - I was there in Feb!	[16:49]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah, im more east	[16:50]
thestringpuller	;;calc 6.07*1.12	[16:51]
gribble	6.7984	[16:51]
Chaaang-Noi	anyway i gota go afk for a bit, bbl peace	[16:51]
zebedee_	ttyl	[16:52]
zebedee_	mircea_popescu: What languages do you speak?	[16:55]
mircea_popescu	a few, why ?	[16:56]
zebedee_	Just curious.	[16:56]
zebedee_	Your English is v. good. Wondering how you learnt.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	you learn languages from women, is my experience.	[16:57]
zebedee_	Lol. It's why I learnt Japanese at least.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	yeah/. they call it "mother's tongue", but it's not really that special.	[16:59]
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zebedee_	What software creates those weird comments in blogs that are something like "[...] some words or other [...]" with the square brackets? What's that all about?	[17:11]
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Chaaang-Noi	mp i learned thai froom women	[17:15]
Chaaang-Noi	never used a book	[17:15]
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mircea_popescu	yeah.	[17:18]
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Chaaang-Noi	i have the urge to smoke some weed, have not done so in years, odd	[18:08]
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copumpkin	that sounds dangerous in thailand	[18:08]
copumpkin	I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest	[18:09]
copumpkin	and found out that it's a big no-no	[18:09]
copumpkin	I crossed the Hungary/Croatia border with a little bit of weed and that's apparently a big source of international tension with Hungary, because Hungary is super hardcore about drugs and will throw you in jail for 15 years without a trial for 5, and quite a few foreigners are in that situation	[18:10]
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Chaaang-Noi	using drugs in thailand is fine	[18:16]
Chaaang-Noi	selling or traficing is a big no no	[18:16]
copumpkin	ah, okay	[18:16]
Chaaang-Noi	the police and army sell and trafic here so its harsh punsihment	[18:16]
Chaaang-Noi	however they dont care if you buy and use their products	[18:16]
copumpkin	for competing with them? :P	[18:16]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah, they will kill you on site if you are thai	[18:16]
Chaaang-Noi	no shit	[18:16]
copumpkin	wow	[18:16]
Chaaang-Noi	if you are not paying the right guy you are good as dead if caught	[18:17]
Chaaang-Noi	if not dead then 15 years in jail or so	[18:17]
Chaaang-Noi	buying your way out is millions of baht	[18:17]
Chaaang-Noi	but really a farang smoking a joint, they dont give a fuck	[18:18]
Chaaang-Noi	now meth is becoming an issue here, as it leads to crime	[18:18]
Chaaang-Noi	so they are cracking down on meth	[18:18]
Chaaang-Noi	people get hooked then steal shit	[18:18]
Chaaang-Noi	with opium or weed, they dont give a fuck	[18:18]
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copumpkin	ah	[18:18]
copumpkin	how about shrooms/acid/the weirder crap?	[18:18]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah thats fine, but you ahve to get it in tourist areas, and the dealers are paying the cops for sure (or they wont last)	[18:19]
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Chaaang-Noi	thais done use that stuff	[18:19]
Chaaang-Noi	really the thais mostly use "yaa baa" or meth	[18:20]
Chaaang-Noi	coke is rally high here (far from the source)	[18:20]
Chaaang-Noi	h is cheap as fuck as is opium	[18:20]
Chaaang-Noi	weed too	[18:21]
Chaaang-Noi	but its mostly wild	[18:21]
Chaaang-Noi	not as good as the high end stuff you get in the usa	[18:21]
Chaaang-Noi	I accidentally smoked a bit in Budapest	[18:22]
Chaaang-Noi	how do you accidently smoke?	[18:22]
copumpkin	oh I meant that had I known how harsh their laws were, I wouldn't have dreamt of doing that	[18:22]
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copumpkin	or even bringing any into hungary	[18:22]
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Chaaang-Noi	ahh	[18:22]
Chaaang-Noi	i dont cross boarders with it, never never never	[18:23]
copumpkin	it was just the end of a little baggie I had with me while traveling around europe	[18:23]
copumpkin	lol, did lots of that	[18:23]
copumpkin	but hungary is particularly bad	[18:23]
copumpkin	should've just finished it off in croatia	[18:23]
copumpkin	I bought it legally in amsterdam, had most of it, and then forgot about it until I got to slovenia	[18:23]
Chaaang-Noi	i want to travel europe like that	[18:24]
copumpkin	I got one of those rail passes	[18:24]
copumpkin	it was great	[18:24]
Chaaang-Noi	i dont know anyone to go with	[18:24]
copumpkin	very spontaneous travel with my gf for over a month	[18:24]
copumpkin	we'd just say "oh, that train looks cool" and hop on	[18:24]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah that would be cool	[18:24]
Chaaang-Noi	but my wife will have a hard time getting visa i bet cuz she is thai	[18:24]
copumpkin	yeah :/ it might still be possible, not sure how hard	[18:25]
Chaaang-Noi	yeah	[18:25]
copumpkin	lots of foreigners get those rail passes	[18:25]
copumpkin	they actually have different ones for non-EU citizens	[18:25]
copumpkin	annoyingly different price structures but not significantly different levels	[18:25]
Chaaang-Noi	money would not be the issue, it would be the visas	[18:25]
copumpkin	so I had to buy a new pass in the middle of the trip because I got the EU one	[18:25]
Chaaang-Noi	oh that sucks	[18:26]
copumpkin	yeah, not terrible though	[18:26]
copumpkin	anyway, definitely recommended	[18:26]
copumpkin	some countries are more annoying about letting you use it, but it was still mostly a win	[18:26]
Chaaang-Noi	id love to do it, but think it would suck if i did it alone	[18:26]
copumpkin	I'm not sure it would suck, but if you have a SO it would be kind of weird not to do it with them :)	[18:27]
copumpkin	I think traveling alone and meeting cool people in hostels is also fun	[18:27]
Chaaang-Noi	im not as out going as you might think :)	[18:27]
copumpkin	:P	[18:28]
Chaaang-Noi	very content in my basement on irc :)	[18:28]
Chaaang-Noi	if i did the euope thing or whever im sure id hook up with a local girl	[18:28]
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Chaaang-Noi	and then travel, or id have a bad time	[18:29]
Chaaang-Noi	big plans for cinco de mayo?	[18:29]
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Chaaang-Noi	* copumpkin fucks Chaang-Noi	[18:54]
*	copumpkin fucks Chaaang-Noi	[18:54]
Chaaang-Noi	that casued some lulz this morning :)	[18:54]
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Chaaang-Noi	mp was like wtf!	[18:54]
copumpkin	:)	[18:54]
Chaaang-Noi	cuz i said "good morning"	[18:54]
kakobrekla	mornin	[18:55]
Chaaang-Noi	:)	[18:55]
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cads	haha, copumpkin I never knew you partoked	[19:04]
copumpkin	:P	[19:04]
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cads	not that it's of any consequence (I had to quit, but I don't judge)	[19:05]
cads	also, cool you see you here	[19:05]
copumpkin	I've never actually done it in the US	[19:06]
copumpkin	I could, since my job doesn't check, but not particularly interested	[19:06]
cads	hmm, am I right to remember that last we talked ( a couple years ago) you were a grad student in midwest university?	[19:10]
copumpkin	nah, I was in a new england university :) but I quit my phd and moved on	[19:11]
copumpkin	but yeah, we did speak about it	[19:11]
cads	I remember I was writing my college application, and you gave me your encouragement	[19:11]
copumpkin	yup :)	[19:11]
copumpkin	going well?	[19:11]
mircea_popescu	he flunked	[19:11]
kakobrekla	o irc reunion?	[19:12]
cads	copumpkin: classes were boring. Substance abuse got unmanageable, and my debt was insane. I'm taking a year or two off to work on my sobriety, to work my same old job as a machinist and deleverage my debt a bit, and to wait and see what happens with higher education.	[19:14]
copumpkin	ah, sorry to hear that	[19:14]
mircea_popescu	da fuck this is the first time i hear someone say that.	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	what were you abusing ?	[19:15]
cads	just pot and alcohol	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	hm	[19:15]
mircea_popescu	ok, that i did hear.	[19:16]
mircea_popescu	still waiting for the speed freak going "well it was getting unmanageable so i'm taking a year off to deleverage and see what happens"	[19:16]
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cads	mircea_popescu: I don't mind talking about my substance problem - I'm amazed and embarrased - I kicked speed and heroin to the curb back in 2007, but I thought pot and booze were fine. It's shameful that those brought me lower than anything else has. It's... refreshing to finally be in a spot where I can say _no_ drug is _ever_ going to be a good	[19:20]
cads	a good investment*	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	well um... drugs aren't investments are they	[19:21]
cads	mircea_popescu: I share mostly because from time to time people hear my story, and ask me about how they can get clean	[19:21]
cads	tiberiusiv: absolutely :)	[19:21]
cads	tiberiusiv: it's not something I could address till I admitted, basically	[19:22]
cads	tiberiusiv: you may of course ignore all I have to say	[19:22]
cads	tiberiusiv: and you are not someone that needs to hear what I have to say	[19:22]
benkay	trolling 12-steppers is the lowest	[19:23]
jurov	cads, no need to argue with tibby, just ignore him	[19:23]
kakobrekla	cads dont mind local trolls	[19:23]
cads	tiberius, and if that's true, then I salute you	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	did tiberiusiv win the substance abusing competition too ?	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	is he like real badass ?	[19:23]
benkay	what's that trophy like?	[19:24]
cads	jurov, kakobrekla, you know, the 5th level of troll-fu is trolling the trolls with pure detachment ;)	[19:24]
jurov	cads, i tried	[19:24]
jurov	but i know when to stop	[19:25]
cads	jurov, I'm not there yet, lol	[19:25]
jurov	not sure aobut you (pun intended)	[19:25]
jurov	;)	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	benkay perhaps this : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136752522555.jpg in bronze.	[19:25]
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cads	I mean, you think I'll continue talking to you if I can expect ridicule and if even your contemporaries call you a troll?	[19:29]
cads	Hah.	[19:29]
Chaaang-Noi	tiberslav new lows today i see	[19:29]
Chaaang-Noi	you need help	[19:29]
cads	You can apologize and recover your position or else wither.	[19:30]
Chaaang-Noi	maybe cads can set you right	[19:30]
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Chaaang-Noi	dude i share all sorts of shit	[19:30]
Chaaang-Noi	hell im smoking and drinking now	[19:31]
kakobrekla	how about not sharing your complaints tib	[19:31]
kakobrekla	rute them t dev/null	[19:31]
kakobrekla	to	[19:31]
Chaaang-Noi	tiberslav feels the needs to share everything he gets upset about like some little girl	[19:31]
Chaaang-Noi	drama queen tiberslav is	[19:31]
Chaaang-Noi	all about tiberslav needs to be the center	[19:32]
kakobrekla	cool you have said it move on.	[19:32]
benkay	mircea_popescu: i think this might work as well: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/96/pwnedk.jpg/?sa=0	[19:32]
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kakobrekla	!l m s.dice	[19:34]
assbot	Last trade for S.DICE on MPEX was at 0.00338999 BTC [+]	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	there's all these liberals in my twitter feed wtf.	[19:35]
Chaaang-Noi	its twitter	[19:35]
Chaaang-Noi	what did you expect?	[19:35]
benkay	the new social internet thrives on putting shit in front of you to raise your blood pressure	[19:35]
Chaaang-Noi	crypto anarchists?	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	well i hope they butthurt well.	[19:35]
kakobrekla	no Chaaang-Noi, those are on facebook	[19:36]
cads	mircea_popescu: they're in your feed? or following you?	[19:37]
benkay	why are the crypto anarchists on facebook	[19:37]
benkay	actually i know the answer to that	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	cads in my feed	[19:37]
cads	mircea_popescu: if they were following you, you could make a game of offending them so greatly they unfollow you (and it would be fairly easy to analyze who unfollowed you, and what triggered it, lol)	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	In 2000, economist and former U.S. Treasury Secretary Lawrence Summers became president of Harvard. Soon after, Summers held a private meeting with West, where he reportedly rebuked West for missing too many classes, contributing to grade inflation, neglecting serious scholarship, and spending too much time on his economically profitable projects. Summers reportedly suggested that West produce an academic book befittin	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	g his professorial position, as his recent output had consisted primarily of co-written and edited volumes. According to some reports, Summers also objected to West's production of a CD, the critically panned Sketches of My Culture, and to his political campaigning, including an alleged three weeks to promote Bill Bradley's presidential campaign.	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	black guy of no academic value whatsoever gets told off by harvard president	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	harvard president is forced to step down within a year over having said women are maybe not quite as smart as men	[19:39]
cads	mircea_popescu: I have the same issue - I followed a bunch of people because they said something cool once or twice about category theory, haskell, or 3d printing, and the rest is all stuff about how their cat is awesome	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	cads this is worse, it's all retweets of dumb shit.	[19:39]
mircea_popescu	like how some adjuncts at some podunk uni should be paid or whatever nonsense	[19:39]
cads	the only twitter people I actually care to follow are dead authors - @kurt_vonnegut, mostly	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	i'd never follow something like that.	[19:40]
kakobrekla	tiberiusiv, get the sand out of your vagina pls	[19:40]
mircea_popescu	who is writing it and why are they using some brand	[19:40]
benkay	+1	[19:41]
benkay	degredation in service	[19:41]
cads	benkay: is that so?	[19:41]
*	cads checks his twitter like once every... 6 months	[19:41]
cads	it's like "hmm people are still saying mostly pointless things"	[19:42]
kakobrekla	tib has it handy.	[19:42]
benkay	cads: it's a step backwards for the whole internet.	[19:42]
cads	kakobrekla: is tiberiusiv still talking :D	[19:42]
kakobrekla	cads fuck yea	[19:43]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla scam. i see nothing.	[19:43]
kakobrekla	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013&display=show#16891	[19:43]
kakobrekla	thar	[19:43]
kakobrekla	also inception now.	[19:43]
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benkay	when did the log go live?!	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	benkay i actually announced it yest	[19:44]
kakobrekla	shadap	[19:44]
mircea_popescu	but you weren't paying attention!!1111!	[19:44]
benkay	moar exclamation points plz	[19:44]
kakobrekla	11	[19:44]
benkay	hey u	[19:44]
benkay	that's not what i assed for	[19:44]
benkay	anyways thanks to all involved	[19:45]
kakobrekla	eleven	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195110.msg2035668#msg2035668	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	fucking forum tards	[19:45]
benkay	this will make it vastly easier to pay attention	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	girl spells it with an o. his own fucking link spells it with an o	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	he spells it with an a	[19:45]
mircea_popescu	WHERE DO THESE PEOPEL GO TO SCHOAL	[19:45]
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mircea_popescu	jajovregla : that's not what he assed for!	[19:45]
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cads	kakobrekla: haha, cooool	[19:46]
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*	cads goes to see if his words have posted to the log	[19:47]
kakobrekla	lmao	[19:47]
cads	hah, that's uncanny	[19:47]
cads	incpetion.. "we have to go deeper!"	[19:47]
kakobrekla	seems like /me's are skipped	[19:48]
kakobrekla	maybe ill fix it	[19:48]
kakobrekla	maybe i wont	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	mandatory utube link	[19:48]
cads	what script are you using?	[19:48]
cads	kakobrekla: I might need that capability for one of my chat channels	[19:48]
kakobrekla	no script	[19:48]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jbahu90GXU	[19:48]
kakobrekla	a few lines of code	[19:48]
cads	kako, would you mind zapping them to me?	[19:49]
cads	hehe, truly I am a lazy developer (I know full well that there have got to be turn key solutions for chat logging, already)	[19:49]
kakobrekla	i dunno if its much use to you really ... unless i give you assbot too ya know	[19:50]
kakobrekla	well i searched for a premade solutions	[19:50]
kakobrekla	for about 5 min	[19:50]
kakobrekla	then coded my own	[19:50]
benkay	"maybe i'll come down! maybe I won't!"	[19:50]
kakobrekla	lol mircea_popescu	[19:51]
mircea_popescu	:D	[19:51]
kakobrekla	he had a guy here a few years back, climbed on a roof all drunk and naked	[19:51]
kakobrekla	and demanded a helicopter and a pizza with an egg	[19:51]
kakobrekla	or else he jumps	[19:51]
benkay	"don't fuck up my beer now"	[19:51]
kakobrekla	then the police took him down and they had brand new car and couldnt oper the back door	[19:51]
kakobrekla	twas a van accually	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:52]
kakobrekla	the guy ended up driving in the front among the cops, naked	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha	[19:52]
mircea_popescu	with a hardon ?	[19:52]
cads	class :)	[19:52]
kakobrekla	lol	[19:52]
benkay	fearboner	[19:52]
kakobrekla	i dont remember seeing that	[19:52]
cads	kakobrekla: this sounds like a story from a former soviet state :D	[19:53]
kakobrekla	naw its somalia	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	actually the town here starting hireing local police and it was mostly chicks. on like, high heels and shit.	[19:53]
jurov	kakobrekla i have older logs for sale... almost uninterrupted since last september or so ;)	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	i got a bj once just on the strength of asking	[19:53]
mircea_popescu	local police is pretty cool.	[19:53]
kakobrekla	cads, slovenia really (dont want you get too confused)	[19:53]
kakobrekla	jurov i have longs since day 1 prolly	[19:54]
kakobrekla	but they are all messed up	[19:54]
kakobrekla	so fuck it	[19:54]
jurov	maybe i can unmess some logs in exchange for fucking	[19:55]
kakobrekla	khm.	[19:55]
kakobrekla	who does who?	[19:55]
jurov	i'm versatile	[19:55]
jurov	let's try both, what feels better	[19:55]
kakobrekla	hehe	[19:56]
kakobrekla	speaking of i heard that there isnt much fuckin among man gay community	[19:56]
kakobrekla	mostly oral?	[19:56]
jurov	where u heard? in church?	[19:56]
kakobrekla	orkaa [on this chan] has lots of gay friends and he did a pool	[19:57]
kakobrekla	poll	[19:57]
kakobrekla	maybe he did a pool too	[19:57]
cads	hmm, It's an interesting problem. Given some number k of incomplete logs, collected by different people, with different latencies, and hence different orders of message arrival in general, how do you fuse the logs into a single log that has more accurate information?	[19:57]
jurov	actually pool might work better	[19:57]
cads	if k is a large number, you can try to find voting blocs - groups of logs that agree on the same history	[19:58]
kakobrekla	cads you disregard accuaracy and thats it	[19:58]
kakobrekla	also disregard my grammer skillz	[19:59]
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jurov	cads ask freenode to give you millisecond-precision data	[19:59]
cads	you think they log the channels?	[19:59]
kakobrekla	nah	[20:00]
jurov	i'm rather joking, likely not	[20:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.29020001 = 2.902 BTC [-]	[20:02]
benkay	$avg	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.2902 = 2.902 BTC [-]	[20:02]
cads	in any case, the full problem is an interesting problem in the logging literature and in the AI literature - given some collection of possibly contradictory logs, process them into a single, more trustworthy digest log	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.2901 = 2.3208 BTC [-]	[20:02]
mpexbot	benkay: 112.70	[20:02]
jurov	sigh. am wasting time, should be fixing minor mess here instead	[20:02]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3147 @ 0.00068174 = 2.1454 BTC [-]	[20:02]
cads	the problem of combing two chatlogs taken from different view points is a much simpler instance of that general problem.	[20:02]
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cads	hehe, and it's totally unreasonable to apply those techniques, when there'd be nothing to gain that grepping through the collected chatlog as they are would not do just as well, hah	[20:03]
benkay	;;ticker	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	where u heard? in church? << epic.	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	but jurov, seriously : in a household of three women i fuck each maybe once or twice a week	[20:05]
mircea_popescu	and in the ass once a month or less	[20:05]
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mircea_popescu	i imagine they'd be pretty sore if the holes were reversed	[20:06]
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jurov	oka, i did no research and seems i had luck on guys that don't think very highly on oral	[20:11]
jurov	"sore? yeah, get used to it"	[20:11]
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mircea_popescu	i c	[20:12]
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Chaaang-Noi	off to get a massage, night all	[20:21]
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Chaaang-Noi	you really are slow arnt you tiberslav? :)	[20:22]
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Chaaang-Noi	anyway have a good one, try not to fall down and kill yourself before i get back!	[20:23]
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mircea_popescu	#bitcoin-assets, the liberal-hating trade chanel where people discuss their sexual orientation and substance history	[20:27]
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kakobrekla	you forgot philosophical masturbation	[20:28]
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mircea_popescu	a that too yes	[20:28]
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cads	hey, any 3d printing enthusiasts in here?	[20:39]
kakobrekla	i have ~80% of cnc machine finished which im thinking i could convert to 3d printer	[20:40]
cads	oh nice, what layout?	[20:40]
cads	or make, really	[20:41]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/Z/RG/4qUD9X4i/5/dscn0196.jpg	[20:43]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/2h/tU/4D24xeIq/dscn0199.jpg	[20:43]
kakobrekla	http://shrani.si/f/20/fZ/4whyU0d2/dscn0201.jpg	[20:43]
kakobrekla	spent 5k+ on parts and a year of work (when i found the time to fiddle with it)	[20:44]
kakobrekla	then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now	[20:45]
cads	https://www.xkcd.com/924/	[20:45]
cads	kakobrekla: awsome gantry	[20:45]
inhies	i have a mendel	[20:45]
inhies	thats half way through an electronics upgrade from like two years ago...	[20:45]
inhies	=/	[20:45]
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kakobrekla	cads its only missing Z axis really	[20:46]
kakobrekla	the rest is done	[20:46]
kakobrekla	i could put anything on it really	[20:46]
kakobrekla	a spindle or laser or a cigar	[20:46]
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cads	kakobrekla: the "vitamins" needed to put together a 3d printer - steppers, controllers, RAMP board, and linear actuators - are only around $300. As soon as your mill is up and running with a mill head, you could fabricate the parts for a 3d printer kit fairly easily.	[20:47]
kakobrekla	i already have steppers and cotrollers and all that shit	[20:47]
kakobrekla	12nm each btw	[20:47]
kakobrekla	overkill :)	[20:47]
kakobrekla	and there are two for x axis	[20:48]
cads	The 3dp community advises against 3d printer/mill hybrids. A mill needs torque and stiffness, while a 3d printer needs lightness and feed speeds - they use speeds that are rather shocking to people used to traditional mills	[20:48]
kakobrekla	myea	[20:48]
cads	so a mill/printer hybrid will perform poorly at least one task :D	[20:49]
kakobrekla	well i can switch the gap on the rod that steppers move	[20:49]
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kakobrekla	and that changes speed/power ratio as well	[20:49]
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kakobrekla	what do even rather than any of that, sell it as is	[20:51]
kakobrekla	:)	[20:51]
cads	haha, how much?	[20:52]
kakobrekla	dunno gimme an offer	[20:53]
cads	I may _need_ a gantry, but I couldn't pay more than $800 for it, and this would likely be an insult.	[20:53]
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kakobrekla	lol kinda	[20:53]
kakobrekla	:)	[20:53]
cads	considering your sunk cost	[20:53]
kakobrekla	id take maybe 3k for it	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	then i got occupied with other stuff and its like that for like 2 years maybe more now << i blame marketing.	[20:54]
kakobrekla	i was raped	[20:54]
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cads	it's amazingly rigid looking construction - at least you have a quality product :)	[20:55]
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kakobrekla	ya some pros were invlived	[20:55]
kakobrekla	such a machine finished is worth 15-20k	[20:55]
cads	I'm looking at a lower quality offering in the range of $1500, in kit form	[20:55]
mircea_popescu	so pay him in bitcoinz	[20:56]
mircea_popescu	or bitbet shares	[20:56]
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mircea_popescu	so i'm re-reading an old (romanian) article	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	and in the comments i make the following suggestion :	[20:57]
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cads	kakobrekla: it needs z-fixtures and milling head?	[20:57]
mircea_popescu	some shetroll could implant christian-only eggs only to abort them 10 weeks in.	[20:58]
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kakobrekla	if it werent for btc maybe id finish it	[20:58]
kakobrekla	cads yea preety much	[20:59]
cads	kakobrekla: I hope you do! What kind of ideas did you have planned for it.	[20:59]
kakobrekla	anyway i gotta jet now	[20:59]
kakobrekla	be back in 30 or so	[20:59]
cads	inhies: it seems like a lot of rep-rap grade printers end up gathering dust	[20:59]
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mircea_popescu	cads i blame marketing.	[21:01]
cads	hrm it pisses me off that the reprap community seems to be allowing large corporations to patentblock all the valuable 3DP IP	[21:01]
cads	they worked their ASSES off to make personal desktop manufacturing remotely feasible, and those high capital jackals are waiting for the market to mature so they can pounce.	[21:02]
cads	the worst part is that if you talk to the open 3dp community about setting up defensive publications, they're all like "heck naw. ain't gonna be no centralized IP control on open 3dp tech"	[21:03]
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cads	or, "you have any idea how much it costs to file patents?"	[21:04]
asciilifeform	cads: the way I understand it, the main virtue of 3d printing is that you can build the thing in your basement out of junkyard parts and not give a rat's arse about patents or copyrights.	[21:05]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform if i understand agriculture correctly, the main virtue thereof is you can plant crops in your own back yard	[21:05]
mircea_popescu	and not give a rat's ass about patents or copyrights	[21:05]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if someone found a way to "fix" the atrociously-inefficient RuBisCO enzyme, you could feed a family on what you can grow in a flower vase.	[21:06]
cads	agricultural genetic patents are such horse shit	[21:07]
asciilifeform	if 3d printers actually were what their enthusiasts imagine them to be (a substitute for industrial production) rather than machines for churning out brittle crap, the same dynamic would apply here.	[21:07]
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cads	say my crop gets contaminated by monstanto genetics from a farm up-wind	[21:08]
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mircea_popescu	it may surprise you to find that inefficiency is a blessing not a failure.	[21:08]
cads	I'm not liable to damages claimed by the monsanto company	[21:08]
cads	s/not/now	[21:08]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: no surprise here. population explosion, catastrophe, etc	[21:08]
asciilifeform	re: 3d printing and whether is is actually useful: http://scottlocklin.wordpress.com/2012/08/11/bad-engineering-journalism-reporting-on-3-d-printing-of-guns/	[21:08]
mircea_popescu	anyone want to see flowering salvia ?	[21:09]
asciilifeform	a CNC mill is infinitely more useful in practice. but it doesn't have the same sexy appeal to noobs who think they can produce arbitrary widgets just by hitting a button (actually false for both solid printing and cnc)	[21:09]
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mircea_popescu	"The AR is one of the few rifle designs where you could even think about using a lower receiver made out of plastic."	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	this is such bs.	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	you know i appreciate the sentiment of calling out business insider et al for their ignorance, which is patent and outrageous	[21:10]
mircea_popescu	but locklin doesn't strike me as much better honestly.	[21:11]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: it may help to know that the focus on the AR is solely because of a weird quirk of U.S. law	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	no, i just mean the bad science of it	[21:11]
asciilifeform	in the U.S., the part which legally counts as "the gun" is the piece with the serial number on it.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	he upper receiver of the AR-15 is legally the gun, and a plastic version would melt if it didn’t dissolve from mechanical stress the first time you fired it.	[21:11]
mircea_popescu	either he has no idea what plastic is or he's just following some script.	[21:11]
asciilifeform	so you can buy the entire metal portion of a Glock, for example (barrel and striker mechanism) with no paperwork, as if it were a video card. because the SN is stamped on an aluminum plate embedded in the lower, plastic portion.	[21:12]
mircea_popescu	you can in fact produce polymers of any arbitrary hardness, however you define it.	[21:12]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: find me a polymer which can be used to produce a barrel reliably firing modern calibers. I know people who will pay very serious moneys for such.	[21:13]
asciilifeform	hardness is not the only issue. (temperature is another.)	[21:13]
inhies	hrm	[21:13]
inhies	my AR lowers are legally the gun, since thats where the serial number is :p	[21:13]
inhies	guess it all depends on where you get parts	[21:13]
asciilifeform	inhies: exactly. hence the 3d printer folks interest in the AR.	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	think of glock's nylon derivatives	[21:14]
mircea_popescu	also, plenty of non-plasticizing composites may well work in the 3d printer model.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	for those who have never seen an AR, the "lower" is simply a small can which holds the trigger/hammer mechanism, with the stock screwing into one end and the bold carrier/barrel assembly (known as the "upper") into the other end.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	people have carved AR lowers out of kitchen cutting boards, for instance. and even wood.	[21:15]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you can produce a polymer which reliably stays in one piece in the form of a rifled barrel, you can become a far, far richer man than you already are.	[21:16]
mircea_popescu	dude i'm certain it can be done.	[21:16]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: done, yes. consider aerogel. economically, no.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	dissolve my foot.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	economically was never the point.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	hence my comment on bad science	[21:17]
asciilifeform	3d printers are being touted by idiots as "we can now produce modern arms in our basement without knowing any machining." which is patently false, and is likely to remain so.	[21:17]
mircea_popescu	actually! here's a blueprint : i bet you can get a formulation of some sort of carbide, maybe even tungsten base, to dissolve in a solvent that evaporates at room temeprature	[21:18]
asciilifeform	metalworking isn't hard, but it does require some skill.	[21:18]
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mircea_popescu	so you will be able to ACTUALLY print a harder-than-steel barel witha good 3d printer	[21:18]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: yes, sintering. even in the USSR, they had it.	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	right ?	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	so then wtf is locklin on about	[21:18]
asciilifeform	only problem is, sintered materials are brittle	[21:18]
mircea_popescu	you don't fight bad science with bad science	[21:18]
asciilifeform	a barrel flexes (watch an AK on full auto on youtube, high speed camera. 4-5 cm of flex, like a Slinky.)	[21:19]
mircea_popescu	dude, let's make a pistorl	[21:19]
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mircea_popescu	before you make a TOW 6 barrel double rotating machine gun	[21:19]
asciilifeform	if all you want is 17th century tech, you can easily make single-shot pistol or shotgun from hardware store pipes. and it will be far more reliable (and deadly to the enemy, vs. the user) than anything you can get out of a $3k 3d printer.	[21:20]
mircea_popescu	and brittleness doesn't sound undefeasible either. maybe you add some guar gum or some shit	[21:20]
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asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: look up the temperature of the inside of a barrel (of the smallest pistol) after one shot.	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	carbides melt now ?	[21:21]
asciilifeform	did you really suggest guar gum or the like?	[21:21]
mircea_popescu	i was making a point!	[21:21]
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mircea_popescu	as in, it's extremely unlikely you won't find a debrittleing additive	[21:21]
asciilifeform	if you don't need many shots, even this works: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leather_cannon	[21:22]
asciilifeform	my point wasn't that it is physically impossible to make small arms out of garbage (it is possible) but that a 3d printer gains you nothing compared to using parts straight from the junkyard.	[21:22]
mircea_popescu	it does gain you something.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	at the very least the cool of it.	[21:23]
mircea_popescu	further, if my carbide solution actually works any, you could be making the guns as fast as you fire them for instance	[21:24]
mircea_popescu	imagine a remote opperated batter of gun printers and robofirers	[21:24]
asciilifeform	btw, I personally have a design for a 3d printer which prints solid steel. think "TIG welder" plus XYZ frame. but this would be ruinously expensive to run, and would burn down the house of the first idiot who builds on in his garage. so, unpublished.	[21:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you want to go the whole hog, dispense with cartridges. fire nails or ball bearings, with injected gasoline for the propellant.	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	" If he just wanted to make a working gun out of a barrel and bolt, he could have done so with duct tape, modeling clay and superglue."	[21:25]
mircea_popescu	again, this point is correct.	[21:25]
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mircea_popescu	but the foregoing statements are both incorrect and misleading.	[21:25]
asciilifeform	contrary to popular delusion, the fist of the State will come down in the future not on guns, but on ammunition.	[21:26]
asciilifeform	producing crude but working small arms is trivial. modern ammunition, not so much.	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	" Solid printers can make crude unassembled plastic parts; nothing else. No electronics can be made in this way."	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	again, this is fuckwittery.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	all electronics are made in this way	[21:27]
asciilifeform	I can see the political virtues of reviving the skills of building 18th century muskets, but 3d printers aren't usefully in the mix.	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	chips are lierally printed	[21:27]
mircea_popescu	and then the pcbs are mounted by machine	[21:27]
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mircea_popescu	this guy is incredibly ignorant and wilfully so.	[21:28]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: do you own a chip fab? does it fit in your house? why, or why not? using the term "printing" for photomask fabrication is disingenuous.	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	why ?	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	the early printers didn't fit in my jhouse	[21:28]
mircea_popescu	nor the early computers	[21:29]
asciilifeform	astronomical tooling cost	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	note that i dispute the "can not" claim	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	i do not make the "can" claim.	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	again, if we protest scientific ignorance of journos	[21:29]
mircea_popescu	let's not demonstrate it one knot up the river.	[21:29]
asciilifeform	btw, I am personally researching a means for fabricating 1980s-level VLSI in "bush conditions." No prizes for guessing why. But I cannot promise that anything will come of it.	[21:30]
mircea_popescu	bush condition means no metal ?	[21:31]
asciilifeform	meaning a plebe's budget.	[21:32]
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mircea_popescu	a	[21:32]
mircea_popescu	hm	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	i'd bet against it.	[21:33]
asciilifeform	smart money bets against, yes.	[21:33]
mircea_popescu	no but i mean... you will need a laser.	[21:34]
asciilifeform	although I do have access to university surplus lab junk.	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	and very high precision controls for moving it	[21:34]
asciilifeform	SAW resonator	[21:34]
asciilifeform	Kerr cell for toggling	[21:34]
mircea_popescu	um	[21:34]
benkay	whoa	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	can you acrtually fabricate silicon with resonance without having very specially made foundry silicon ?	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	as in, won't it just crack ?	[21:35]
asciilifeform	no, you get the SAWs from the uni junkyard	[21:35]
mircea_popescu	ok, but do what with them lol	[21:36]
asciilifeform	alternatively, DLP arrays from consumer video projectors	[21:36]
asciilifeform	(granted the latter gives you LSI at best, 1970s level)	[21:36]
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mircea_popescu	i tell ye i don't see it.	[21:36]
asciilifeform	I'm more interested in the ion beam deposition approach, rather than optical masks, though	[21:36]
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asciilifeform	I assume you were asking about optical (traditional) photo etching	[21:37]
Guest18208	hi	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	yea	[21:38]
Guest18208	i am guest 18 fucking 208	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	hi guest.	[21:38]
Guest18208	just ask me anything	[21:38]
mircea_popescu	hows urmom	[21:38]
benkay	what is your mission	[21:38]
Guest18208	mostly anal	[21:38]
Guest18208	next question	[21:38]
asciilifeform	ion beam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_beam_deposition) is ever so slightly more doable, I suspect.	[21:38]
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mircea_popescu	mebbe. ianae	[21:39]
Guest18208	ianaproctologist	[21:39]
benkay	asciilifeform a friend of mine built an ion beam microscope	[21:40]
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benkay	got a point source for waving around with em fields by using a pinhole	[21:40]
asciilifeform	benkay: one can trivially build an STM out of junkyard parts: http://www.e-basteln.de/index_m.htm	[21:40]
benkay	he told me that and i were all OMGOFCOURSE	[21:41]
asciilifeform	mostly useless for semiconductor work, though	[21:41]
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benkay	this were no tunneler	[21:41]
benkay	and this is just an interesting anecdote	[21:41]
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benkay	$avg	[21:44]
mpexbot	benkay: 113.06	[21:44]
jurov	maybe organic semiconductors would be more suitable than silicon?	[21:44]
asciilifeform	jurov: I'm looking into copper oxide	[21:44]
asciilifeform	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AJulius_Edgar_Lilienfeld	[21:45]
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asciilifeform	"in 1995 R. G. Arns found a 1948 legal deposition by Johnson which said the opposite: that Bell Labs back then had a project to test Lilienfeld's transistors, and before Johnson took over the project,"	[21:46]
asciilifeform	"...a paper, JVST A Volume 20, Issue 4, pp. 1365-1368 describing transistors made with anodized aluminum gate insulator and a chemical bath deposited semiconductor (CdS/CdSe). Both are techniques that do not require complicated equipment (beaker, current source, heater) and should have been accessible in the 1920s."	[21:47]
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asciilifeform	TLDR: an obscure German fellow almost certainly had working transistors in the '20s.	[21:48]
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asciilifeform	truffles: not really.	[21:48]
asciilifeform	although Bell Labs was denied the patent on the basis of his prior art.	[21:49]
asciilifeform	granted, there is quite a leap from Lilienfeld's cupric oxide transistor to kitchen table VLSI. but it seems like a promising idea to investigate.	[21:50]
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mircea_popescu	why ?	[21:59]
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mircea_popescu	if anyone missed it, the latest debate with datskovskiy is raging even now http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/#comment-93049	[22:00]
benkay	presumably for basement mining hardware?	[22:00]
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jurov	i tried to point out that shitcoins are akin to banknotes that you can remotely tamper with their value	[22:02]
cads	asciilifeform: what's your 3d printing background?	[22:02]
jurov	and thus obviously nobody is interested in accepting them	[22:02]
jurov	but it went nowhere	[22:02]
cads	what I heard was a lot about printing guns, without any mention of things like the thingiverse, the form 1, makerbot industry's successes, the fact that the staples is rolling out a 3d printer that will be sold from their stores (the cubify offering).	[22:03]
cads	3d printed guns is about 1 year old	[22:04]
cads	and the whole topic is only for lunatics	[22:04]
cads	this is like judging bitcoin solely on the characteristics of its use in the silk road.	[22:05]
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cads	appplications for 3d printing are amazingly wide ranging. The cubify is a mass produced unit in the $1200 range, intended for crafts and hobbies, school classrooms, children, and so on.	[22:06]
cads	it's also misleading to say that 3d printers require the same CAD/CAM work that mills require	[22:07]
benkay	mircea_popescu GPG identity management services will eclipse the engineering payroll? o.O please correct my interpretation of what you said on the other side of that link	[22:07]
mircea_popescu	nope, that's it.	[22:09]
mircea_popescu	identity management will be larger than engineering.	[22:09]
cads	asciilifeform: this is not true - for a well tuned commercial printer, the process of turning a 3d design into gcode is almost trivial. Coding g-code for a cnc mill is amazingly hard for high complexity parts, and often requires the production of specialized tooling and setup costs for each new part you produce	[22:09]
kakobrekla	you dont code g-code	[22:10]
kakobrekla	nobody does that	[22:10]
cads	no, you synthesize it	[22:10]
kakobrekla	yea	[22:10]
benkay	or	[22:11]
benkay	print the big form	[22:11]
benkay	carve off the bits you need for dimensional correctness with a mill	[22:11]
benkay	let the printer do the complex geometry	[22:11]
cads	Yep. the print time of a part scales with the part's volume. The milling time of a contoured part scales with the amount of material removed, but more importantly, with the feature count of the surface produced.	[22:13]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 3 @ 0.01255 = 0.0377 BTC [+]	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196138.0	[22:14]
mircea_popescu	i think we all seen that ?	[22:15]
benkay	print time vastly exceeds cut time	[22:15]
benkay	cut time is lols for plastic	[22:15]
ThickAsThieves	why 54 u?	[22:16]
mircea_popescu	5430 satoshi	[22:17]
mircea_popescu	not sure how he picked it but looks bellybutton sourced	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	meh i guess i dont really care about the answer	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	it seems like something theyll end up removing in the future, so why add it	[22:17]
benkay	just barely less than a cent today	[22:17]
benkay	100 bucks at some far future point	[22:17]
ThickAsThieves	maybe to prevent some kind of spam attack?	[22:17]
jurov	they copied litecoin	[22:18]
kakobrekla	i dont like it	[22:19]
jurov	you can research what was the motivation in ltc case, maybe it was really spam	[22:19]
jurov	or marketing or rape	[22:20]
ThickAsThieves	or porn in the code!	[22:21]
mircea_popescu	im not sure why they're not just letting the tx fee decide	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	but whatever.	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	ah, actually, there is a reason	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	we are choked by nonadoption/node death	[22:22]
mircea_popescu	consequently there's no way to outcompete dust txs, cause you don't pay a fee to be relayed	[22:23]
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mircea_popescu	tbh the no-relay-fee is probably the grossest fundamental oversight in the design of bitcoin	[22:23]
mircea_popescu	and it allows no easy fox	[22:24]
mircea_popescu	fix*	[22:24]
ThickAsThieves	guess we'll have to just wait for diablocoins	[22:24]
benkay	nonadoption of new version numbers?	[22:25]
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jordandotdev	does anyone know if bitfinex has an irc channel?	[22:26]
ThickAsThieves	i had a thought about altcoin manipulaiton today, it seems that every new altcoin that pops up, magically has buyers on BTC-E. I wonder if it'd be feasible to support new coins so as to keep the difficulty low on the one coin you really want to control and prop up later, like litecoin. You get everyone to move their hashes elsewhere, and then keep reaping LTC, then you pull the plug	[22:27]
ThickAsThieves	one day on all the alts.	[22:27]
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cads	benkay: lets talk more about 3dp later - I think there is a great future in personal desktop-based manufacturing, and it seems like 3dp is positioned to bring it to the consumer. There are lots of points of contention I'd love to chat about, but I gotta jet.	[22:28]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves pretty much the pump and dump they're running	[22:29]
ThickAsThieves	they can even make money pumping the alts too, it just seems like it's a house of cards	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	yup	[22:29]
kakobrekla	seems this alt chain thingy comes in cycles	[22:29]
mircea_popescu	btc-e is pretty much the reason nobody takes alts seriously	[22:30]
kakobrekla	together with bubbles	[22:30]
kakobrekla	or when was the last alt chain hype	[22:30]
kakobrekla	ixcoin and i0coin and whatnot	[22:30]
ThickAsThieves	so the question is, which, if any, altcoin is the "real" altcoin	[22:30]
kakobrekla	bitcoin is preety alt	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	ltc may have a chance. maybe.	[22:31]
mircea_popescu	tho the "mmo" idiots beat up in btc moved there, and it's prolly going to be the internet marketeer reservation	[22:32]
ThickAsThieves	cryto-trade.com was supposed to be a BTC-e competitor, but now it seems it was about as scammy as we thought	[22:37]
ThickAsThieves	crypto-trade.com *	[22:37]
asciilifeform	damn, went off to meatspace for a spell and missed all the fun here.	[22:38]
benkay	there's a log now	[22:40]
benkay	public and everything	[22:41]
asciilifeform	I got a month of running log, sure	[22:41]
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asciilifeform	re: 3d printers: I work with a guy who is a serious solid printing enthusiast (five figure investment in various attempts, and most of his spare time.) he prints objects like phone charging cradles and parts for model aircraft.	[22:46]
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asciilifeform	my argument isn't that solid printing is a waste of time (it is an interesting hobby) but that it is unlikely to displace industrial production for any everyday object	[22:46]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform ever ?	[22:47]
asciilifeform	I wouldn't say "ever", but it is about the same as home CNC machining	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	i tell you, originally they thought the same of industrial robots.	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	clunky, hopeless things.	[22:47]
asciilifeform	i.e. you need actual brains to make a useful object, to spec	[22:47]
mircea_popescu	ie, yuou need brains to climb stairs.	[22:47]
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asciilifeform	even speaking solely of plastic objects where materials strength is unimportant, the main issue appears to be warping/distortion	[22:48]
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asciilifeform	example: my colleague prints an iphone cradle, brings in five attempts. the phone fits in the fifth, but only because he threw in the towel and took a hand file to it	[22:49]
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asciilifeform	the next day he brings in two pieces	[22:50]
asciilifeform	(it snapped)	[22:50]
asciilifeform	this doesn't prove anything in particular, granted	[22:50]
asciilifeform	other than the fact that real-world materials behave in all kinds of interesting ways	[22:50]
asciilifeform	and not at all like the ideal solid you see on the CAD screen	[22:51]
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asciilifeform	btw, industrial robots are an instructive example, because in some fields they are available, but it is very difficult to get people to trust them for all but the simplest operations	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	except they do everything pretty much.	[22:52]
mircea_popescu	a fucking CAT scan is you fucking a robot.	[22:52]
kakobrekla	lol	[22:53]
asciilifeform	the hardware is superb, the vendor software: abysmal.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	at least in the pharma sector.	[22:53]
asciilifeform	I actually sell a replacement for the latter in one of my day jobs: http://www.molboxllc.com/products.html	[22:54]
asciilifeform	almost everyone seems to prefer grad students pushing pipettes, though	[22:54]
asciilifeform	given that the robot goes for $250K	[22:54]
mircea_popescu	lol basically making macros for computer illiterate folk ?	[22:54]
asciilifeform	just that	[22:54]
asciilifeform	except that in this particular case it works better	[22:55]
asciilifeform	(e.g. you don't have to measure the physical objects and fit them to a coordinate grid)	[22:55]
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asciilifeform	most of the operations in high-throughput pharma screening are repetitive	[22:55]
benkay	grad schools suffer from an excess of cheap labor	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	^	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	they don't really WANT to replace the students	[22:55]
mircea_popescu	because they get most of their income from pretending those students doing boring shit are "gaining"	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	killed 1 rat gained 5xp	[22:56]
benkay	they don't understand the costs of institutionally embedded knowledge either	[22:56]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: trust me, I know	[22:56]
asciilifeform	but in a few dark corners of the world, results actually matter	[22:56]
asciilifeform	(outside the academia pesthole, but even then, by far not always)	[22:56]
mircea_popescu	The Entropia Universe client is designed to operate on Microsoft compatible PC:s running Microsoft Windows as an operating system. It is not designed to run natively under Mac OS X or Linux.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	However, your Mac running OS X or PC running Linux that meet the hardware system requirements for Entropia Universe may also be able to run Microsoft Windows, the operating system needed to run the Entropia Universe client software.	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	fucking retards ?!	[22:59]
benkay	yeah what is this entropica	[22:59]
asciilifeform	wat	[22:59]
benkay	gives me installer	[22:59]
benkay	wants to play	[22:59]
mircea_popescu	"your broken linux computer could be fixed by installing windoze"	[23:00]
mircea_popescu	wtf is this shit	[23:00]
asciilifeform	most commercial software may as well have this nonsense printed on the box. it is certainly there, between the lines.	[23:01]
benkay	http://log.bitcoin-assets.com	[23:01]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 839 @ 0.0006992 = 0.5866 BTC [+]	[23:02]
benkay	also on the entropica topic	[23:03]
benkay	I have a feeling that parameterizing the space and understanding how the engine works is vastly more useful than any existing software package	[23:03]
benkay	also i have yet to see it run in real time	[23:04]
benkay	and it looks a little computationally intensive	[23:05]
benkay	"just run monte carlos over the whole space and optimize for availability of future paths"	[23:06]
benkay	"during each iteration of control loop"	[23:06]
benkay	well, each iteration may be overkill	[23:06]
benkay	!	[23:06]
mircea_popescu	i need someone to code me a mmorpg	[23:06]
benkay	and if you stay in the pre-calculated space you might be able to avoid re-running the sims	[23:06]
Namworld	[16:06] i need someone to code me a mmorpg	[23:08]
Namworld	"Retards: a Bitcoin Story"?	[23:08]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14950 @ 0.00070573 = 10.5507 BTC [+]	[23:08]
Namworld	With colorful bitcointalk.org people as NPCs and a whole lot of cheap jokes and parody?	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2087 @ 0.00070573 = 1.4729 BTC [+]	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1972 @ 0.00070787 = 1.3959 BTC [+]	[23:09]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3086 @ 0.00070983 = 2.1905 BTC [+]	[23:09]
benkay	hoho	[23:09]
benkay	"you enter bitcoin-assets and are instantly covered in buckets of semen"	[23:10]
jurov	mirceeeeeaaaaa y u no ntp synchronize?	[23:10]
jurov	i'm pulling my hair out over an issue that boils down to trade execution dates few second before the orders were placed	[23:11]
jurov	on mpex	[23:11]
jurov	mircea_popescu, ur timewarp enginez are misaligned ^^^	[23:12]
benkay	he's probably yelling at the monkeys	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	Namworld lol maybe	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	jurov because the server does not have an internet connection.	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	time synch is a mutherfuckin pain	[23:14]
mircea_popescu	basically you're stuck synching to mpex rather than expecting real time having any impact	[23:15]
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benkay	do you have something available for ntp to peer to?	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[23:16]
jurov	but it even diverges from time given in stat header	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	now that's rare wtf.	[23:16]
mircea_popescu	jurov is it the case right now or was it in the past ?	[23:17]
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jurov	it manifests since yesterday	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	dude usure ?	[23:18]
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mircea_popescu	it;s like 10 seconds behind oddly.	[23:21]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: you can synch time on a non-networked server using a GPS/GLONASS/Beidou-1 receiver	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	yeah but that doesn't fit ;/	[23:22]
asciilifeform	make sure to tune in all three constellations, as someone may want to fuck with you via signal spoofing	[23:22]
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asciilifeform	doesn't fit?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	what are you using, a Palm Pilot?	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	lol	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	hahaha	[23:23]
jurov	stat relative to other data inside seems to be okay. whole thing including http headers has offset	[23:23]
asciilifeform	is is secreted in a slave girl's arse?	[23:23]
asciilifeform	you can get the receiver on a usb stick, and it will fit even there	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the only stuff like that i've seen is roughly larger than a server blade	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	and has to be so and so emplaced etc	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	jurov that'd be normal as the outer layer of servers ashould be more or less on normal time	[23:24]
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asciilifeform	the industrial products, sure. but with a consumer stick the functionality is the same, minus the steel case.	[23:25]
asciilifeform	the girl will have to bend her arse towards the sky when you want to sync	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform well provider i use didn;'t have your stick and i didn't press the issue	[23:25]
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asciilifeform	and of course you maintain a local server, that the radio signal can only over-ride by a second or so delta either way	[23:25]
jurov	2013-05-05 21:09:15,655 [mpex]:DEBUG:Response headers: [('Date', ['Sun, 05 May 2013 19:09:06 GMT']), << this is HTTP Date header from outer layer I guess	[23:25]
jurov	and it's 10 sec off, too	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	yeah	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	was this progressive and only now noticed or did it just happen ?!	[23:26]
asciilifeform	or buy a cesium timepiece yourself (4 figures USD on ebay) or a rhubidium one if you're a cheapskate.	[23:26]
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assbot	[BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 1.226 BTC [-]	[23:26]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform i can't get radioactive material into that space ;/	[23:26]
asciilifeform	neither is radioactive	[23:27]
asciilifeform	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesium_clock	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	its decay innit ?	[23:27]
asciilifeform	only stable isotopes are used in a clock	[23:27]
asciilifeform	nothing to do with decay	[23:27]
assbot	[BTCTC] [TAT.ASICMINER] 44 @ 0.01255 = 0.5522 BTC [+]	[23:27]
asciilifeform	microwave resonance of the element in question	[23:27]
mircea_popescu	a ok	[23:28]
asciilifeform	a clock based on nuclear decay would suck	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	aaanyways.	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	jurov so basically, the situation here is that the stat time and the tx time inside the stat is consistent	[23:28]
asciilifeform	seriously, even the dinkiest fm radio station has a rhubidium clock (to help stay in its purchased frequency band.)	[23:28]
asciilifeform	mpex can afford it	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	but this not necessarily consistent with other time signals such as http headers	[23:28]
mircea_popescu	is this correct ?	[23:28]
jurov	now it looks like both stat time, tx time and http headers are ~10 sec off	[23:29]
mod6	http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3u99f2/	[23:30]
mircea_popescu	mpex is creating its own timezone.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	btw, the extent to which btc users can be fucked with through ntp spoofing is non-zero and quite interesting to contemplate.	[23:31]
asciilifeform	somebody ought to make a quick buck marketing usb rhubidium clocks to "supernode" fellows	[23:32]
kakobrekla	theres market for at least one	[23:32]
jurov	on May 2 and before there was only 1 sec difference	[23:33]
jurov	searchign for the point where it went bad...	[23:33]
kakobrekla	just dont fuck up the matrix	[23:33]
jurov	how could i fuck it? i just can claim "this is the point when matrix took over"	[23:35]
kakobrekla	o	[23:35]
kakobrekla	someone called for cream with cherry on top https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196150.0	[23:35]
asciilifeform	also, I should note that, AFAIK, neither GPS, nor GLONASS, nor Beidou use crypto authentication for the time signal (or the coordinates!) so you could still be spoofed, if someone were interested.	[23:36]
asciilifeform	hence buying your own clock.	[23:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway should be all synced	[23:37]
kakobrekla	genjix: Tihan is a manipulative sociopath.	[23:37]
kakobrekla	lolz	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform yeah and yeah.	[23:37]
mircea_popescu	these are the sorts of things nobody knows about. mpex too paranoid to allow ntp, mtgox buys more ram.	[23:38]
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kakobrekla	>>Oh, and next time you trash and break a Segway in Vienna that Alex paid for because some fat girl offers you a hug...DONT RUN AWAY AND LEAVE THE SEGWAY IN THE STREET!!!!!! (true story for whoever wants to know. Roger, Erik and myself were there)	[23:39]
kakobrekla	lol wtf	[23:40]
mircea_popescu	wtf ?!	[23:41]
kakobrekla	follow last retardcointalk url	[23:41]
mircea_popescu	The site had been losing money for months	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	ha!	[23:42]
*	louong (~louong@S01060012174758b7.vc.shawcable.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:42]
mircea_popescu	who was contradicting me last week ?	[23:42]
jurov	asciilifeform: iirc iranians spoofed btc already and captured a drone	[23:42]
asciilifeform	jurov: yes, exactly	[23:42]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu tbh could be just some bull.	[23:42]
jurov	*spoofed gps , not btc :)	[23:42]
asciilifeform	jurov: the funniest part is that the drone could have been using the military (authenticated) channel, but wasn't - because of "lowest bidder" hardware on board.	[23:43]
assbot	[BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.01 BTC [-]	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform the dirty secret there is that the military chan is tyoo slow.	[23:43]
asciilifeform	jurov: all the Iranians had to do was broadcast the coordinates of the U.S. airbase the drone was to return to.	[23:43]
mircea_popescu	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=196150.msg2039674#msg2039674	[23:48]
mircea_popescu	all bitcoin has is one fat girl and a broken segway.	[23:48]
*	wences (~wences@204.11.229.46.static.etheric.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:53]
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*	wences has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds)	[23:57]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 3 @ 0.003199 = 0.0096 BTC [+]	[23:58]
assbot	[BTCTC] [GSDPT] 97 @ 0.0032 = 0.3104 BTC [+]	[23:58]
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