Forum logs for 05 May 2012

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu rg well then i really don't know who "everybody" is. [00:00]
rg umm [00:00]
rg it wasnt glbse staff saying it [00:00]
rg thats for sure [00:00]
mircea_popescu well at any rate i didn't appreciate the "0.4% as all other exchanges do it" bit. [00:00]
mircea_popescu apparently people fail to comprehend the difference between selling your thing and lieing about your thing. [00:01]
rg ;;seen draco49 [00:06]
gribble draco49 was last seen in #bitcoin-otc-eu 6 days, 10 hours, 29 minutes, and 17 seconds ago: squeezing every drop of performance out of this netbook [00:06]
rg ;;later tell draco49 you are not inspiring confidence... [00:06]
gribble The operation succeeded. [00:06]
mircea_popescu what did he do ? [00:07]
rg well [00:07]
rg thats between me and him [00:07]
mcorlett draco and markedathome [00:07]
mircea_popescu a ok [00:07]
mcorlett ;;seen markedathome [00:07]
gribble markedathome was last seen in #bitcoin-otc-eu 1 week, 2 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 44 seconds ago: mcorlett: i'll help test if it is needed within the next 4 hours [00:07]
rg i cant say [00:07]
rg its bitvps business [00:07]
mircea_popescu they both seemed kinda ok folks to me, but hey. [00:07]
mcorlett I gave marked 0.2 BTC to play around with my service, and he disappeared mysteriously. It doesn't make sense. [00:09]
mircea_popescu uh. my money seriously is on "any alternative explanation to him runningoff with 1 dollar" [00:10]
rg mcorlett: thats weird hes always usually around [00:10]
mcorlett Yeah, I doubt that's the reason he's gone. [00:12]
mcorlett Same with the forums: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=49278 [00:12]
mcorlett He's still active on Twitter, assuming it's him: https://twitter.com/#!/markedathome [00:13]
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NeedHelp Hello dear Community [00:20]
NeedHelp Can perhaps someone help me out to change som PSC into BTC, please? [00:20]
Azelphur wtf is psc xD [00:23]
NeedHelp hehe:) paysafecard [00:23]
Azelphur ah :) [00:24]
NeedHelp you can help me out?? ;) [00:25]
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currency ;;ticker [00:29]
gribble Best bid: 5.09, Best ask: 5.13377, Bid-ask spread: 0.04377, Last trade: 5.09, 24 hour volume: 39003, 24 hour low: 5.083, 24 hour high: 5.15 [00:29]
currency Is there a way to see ticker in EU? [00:29]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,convert eur [00:29]
gribble 1 BTC = 5.09 U.S. dollars = 3.87602802 Euros [00:29]
currency llticker,convert eur [00:30]
currency ;;ticker,convert eur [00:30]
gribble Error: "ticker,convert" is not a valid command. [00:30]
currency ;;ticker,eu [00:30]
gribble Error: "ticker,eu" is not a valid command. [00:30]
mircea_popescu i don;t think it has that part implemented [00:31]
mcorlett If only it were Made by Mircea™! [00:31]
rg ahoy currency [00:32]
rg how you doin [00:32]
mircea_popescu lol i can't code an irc bot. [00:33]
currency hey rg [00:34]
currency Hows it going ? [00:34]
rg it goes [00:35]
rg you know how it is [00:35]
currency heh [00:35]
currency Yeah same here [00:35]
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mcorlett kakobrekla: Twice the op-ness? [01:09]
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mcorlett ;;op mcorlett [01:09]
gribble Error: You don't have the #bitcoin-otc-eu,op capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. [01:09]
mcorlett ;;whoami [01:10]
gribble I don't recognize you. [01:10]
mircea_popescu false mcorlett of falsity! [01:12]
mircea_popescu ;;whosyodaddy [01:12]
gribble Error: "whosyodaddy" is not a valid command. [01:12]
mircea_popescu pff [01:12]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: Still hating? [01:12]
mircea_popescu no, this is my way of lovin'. [01:12]
mcorlett Such a hater! [01:12]
mircea_popescu couldja tell ? [01:12]
mcorlett ;;echo No! [01:14]
gribble No! [01:14]
rawrmage NO MEANS NO [01:48]
kakobrekla kids [01:49]
vragnaroda ;;action rapes rawrmage. [01:49]
* gribble rapes rawrmage. [01:49]
rg uh [01:49]
rg hes a minor [01:49]
vragnaroda rg: So throw gribble in jail. ;) [01:50]
vragnaroda Oh wait, he's on dreamhost; never mind. [01:50]
rg vragnaroda the king of double standards [01:50]
rawrmage lol [01:51]
rg great [01:51]
rg now all tehse noobs are messaging me [01:51]
rg cause i helped this dude get his first rating [01:51]
rg what the fuck [01:51]
vragnaroda rg: That's the standard in -otc and it's not my rule. (I don't even like it but I understand the purpose behind it and it isn't my place to ignore it.) [01:52]
rg wow [01:52]
rg prime minister of double standards [01:52]
rg i need a pen [01:52]
rg to write on my arm [01:52]
vragnaroda Naw, dude; see the channel topic: this channel is mainly for Yurp. I'm *king* of double standards. [01:52]
mircea_popescu you're at most a marquess of diddling standards [01:53]
mircea_popescu and only because it sounds kinda gay :D [01:53]
vragnaroda lol [01:53]
* vragnaroda diddles mircea_popescu's standards. [01:56]
mircea_popescu que la tiranie l'etandard didllie a leve! [01:57]
mircea_popescu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0_SLbzbNE0 [01:59]
rg ANY BITVPS CUSTOMERS IN DALLAS: you are scheduled for a REBOOT tonight at 12AM! [02:02]
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vragnaroda .title [02:09]
markac vragnaroda: Mireille Mathieu chante la Marseillaise - YouTube [02:09]
vragnaroda Ew. [02:09]
mircea_popescu didn't you want to be a marquess ? [02:09]
vragnaroda mircea_popescu: The difference between a marquess and a count is that his land is allowed to be better fortified because it's on a border, right? [02:16]
mircea_popescu yes, a maequess is a count of the marshes, borderlands [02:16]
mircea_popescu marches* even [02:17]
mircea_popescu the germans called it a margrave [02:18]
vragnaroda *march [02:24]
vragnaroda Oh, nvm, you were correcting a plural. [02:24]
* vragnaroda smacks himself. [02:24]
vragnaroda Although, ‹a march› would work better, though. [02:24]
mircea_popescu well no, too much stress. [02:25]
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kakobrekla -otc is full of crap [02:35]
kakobrekla even worse than here, where no rules apply, mostly [02:35]
mircea_popescu lol [02:39]
mircea_popescu isn't it interesting how that works [02:39]
vragnaroda kakobrekla: Well, if this channel adopted stricter guidelines like -otc, I'd follow them here, too, but I think the argument against stricter guidelines here is stronger than it is in -otc. [02:42]
vragnaroda For one, no danieldaniel here. ;) [02:42]
mircea_popescu lmao [02:43]
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* Now talking on #bitcoin-otc-eu [14:41]
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mcorlett mircea_popescu: There he is! [14:44]
mircea_popescu here i am! [14:44]
mcorlett Mqrius: Oo, congrats on the Single! [14:45]
Mqrius mcorlett: Thanks :D [14:47]
mircea_popescu what single ? [14:48]
Mqrius BFL Bitforce Single raffle by gigavps [14:48]
Mqrius One of my tickets won :D [14:48]
mircea_popescu o o o hey! wd! [14:48]
Mqrius Thanks ^^ [14:48]
mcorlett mircea_popescu: I told you to spend more time on the forums. [14:50]
mircea_popescu i rarely spend any time there. [14:50]
mircea_popescu sometimes i read the girl's digests, but i've been caring less and less lately. [14:50]
Mqrius Me too actually. Both hearing about the raffle, and hearing that I should check the results came via IRC :P [14:51]
mircea_popescu lol [14:51]
mircea_popescu irc delivers. [14:51]
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Cusipzzz anyone use webmoney? Will buy some for btc [16:53]
mircea_popescu never have. [16:54]
Cusipzzz gotta be pretty shady, but want to try something out lol.. looking for 50eur ish [16:55]
Cusipzzz hmm, maybe i need bitcoin-otc-ru [16:57]
mircea_popescu now that's a thought lol [16:58]
mcorlett Cusipzzz: I have some Romanian Dollars, if you're looking for those. [16:58]
mircea_popescu course you prolly mean bitcoin-otc-ru-otc-ru-bitcoin-bit-ru-otc-ruotc-otcru-bitruotc-etc [16:58]
Cusipzzz hmm. can those get change to eur? i have a eur purse on there? [16:59]
mircea_popescu Cusipzzz he's really trying to pass hate dollars to unsuspecting victims. [17:01]
Cusipzzz hm, i dont see any way to convert..looks like it has to come from WMEuors [17:02]
Cusipzzz hmm..one would think shady russian transfer services would be more popular around here [17:23]
mircea_popescu lol [17:23]
guruvan btc-e.com is where to go for shady russian money services :D [17:24]
Cusipzzz do they allow withdrawal to webmoney? [17:24]
mircea_popescu actually i think they just might. [17:25]
guruvan I only see WMZ and WMR for withdrawals [17:25]
mircea_popescu doesn't wm itself exchange currencies ? [17:26]
Cusipzzz mircea_popescu: one would think, but i dont see how [17:26]
mircea_popescu hm. [17:26]
guruvan Cusipzzz: http://wiki.wmtransfer.com/wiki/show/Title+units+exchange [17:28]
guruvan maybe that [17:28]
Cusipzzz yeah... they link to third party exchangers but don't do it themselves. hm [17:29]
guruvan probably not legal unless they're licesnsed to do it [17:32]
Cusipzzz btc-e withdraws the WMZ? dont see it in the faw, i dont have an account there [17:33]
Cusipzzz faq [17:33]
guruvan yeah - I have an account 3.3% min $10 w/d to WMZ [17:33]
mcorlett "The withdrawal methods are Webmoney WMZ, Liberty Reserve, QIWI, LiqPAY and BTC-E redeem code." [17:34]
mcorlett https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BTC-E [17:34]
Cusipzzz thanks. [17:34]
guruvan 5% $100 min to w/d to WMR [17:34]
guruvan mcorlett: that wiki is out of date [17:34]
guruvan they have several more methods, some which I can't spell :D [17:35]
Cusipzzz lol...share they are .10-.15 below gox [17:35]
Cusipzzz shame [17:35]
guruvan Perfectmney, LiqPay RBK money [17:35]
guruvan they're EXACTLY the bitinstant xfer + trade fees difference between their price and gox [17:36]
guruvan almost all the time [17:36]
Cusipzzz interesting [17:36]
* guruvan blames bitcoinica for that [17:36]
mircea_popescu why is that ? [17:37]
mcorlett When in doubt, blame Bitcoinica. [17:37]
guruvan exactly [17:37]
* mircea_popescu fears one day mpex ends up in that spot ;/ [17:37]
guruvan really - their bot works to prevent itself from getting arbed [17:37]
* guruvan blames bitcoinica but mostly trades there [17:38]
guruvan not so bad a position to be in 'eh mircea_popescu [17:38]
mircea_popescu why ? [17:38]
guruvan people always blame the most successful [17:38]
mircea_popescu no they don't lol [17:39]
mircea_popescu ppl blame microsoft, apple makes the money,. [17:39]
guruvan didn't microsoft save apple by buying a significant stake (and handing the reins back to Jobs) [17:40]
guruvan now that apple is more successful, we start blaming them [17:40]
mircea_popescu good cause i could never stand them. [17:41]
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Cusipzzz there is a deposit fee at bc-e? lol [17:41]
guruvan I tried for a bit. But when they wouldn't take my money from my PP account and shut off my itunes (I didn't have CC backup funds!) [17:41]
guruvan I sold all my apple gear [17:41]
guruvan Cusipzzz: no - no deposit fees - trade fees @ btc-e are only 0.2% [17:42]
kakobrekla mac is for tards [17:42]
guruvan ++ kakobrekla [17:42]
Cusipzzz * Commission for deposit will be charged. [17:42]
Cusipzzz ^ [17:42]
Cusipzzz right next to the btc address they gave me [17:43]
guruvan what? hmm. I always use bitinstant [17:43]
Cusipzzz im depositing btc directly [17:43]
Cusipzzz it is nice they are showing the unconfirmed transaction, though [17:43]
guruvan yes.hmm I guess I never deposit BTC in there either [17:44]
guruvan I usually only arb it one way :D [17:44]
Cusipzzz if only there was a currency that was global and didn't have all this friction to change and move....oh, wait [17:44]
Cusipzzz guruvan: lol [17:44]
guruvan Liberty Reserve? [17:44]
guruvan lol [17:44]
guruvan e-gold? [17:45]
Cusipzzz seems cheaper to deposit btc and sell, will come out .03 or so better than bitinstant [17:45]
guruvan might be - I usually just shoot some $$ over via bitinstant, and wait for a nice divergence from another exchange's price [17:46]
Cusipzzz yep.. i must be the only person in the world that wants btc-e to withdraw instead of buy at those price, lol [17:46]
Cusipzzz btc-e$ [17:46]
guruvan and zhoutong [17:47]
Cusipzzz haha [17:47]
guruvan (remember to blame bitcoinica) [17:47]
Cusipzzz starting with 11btc..gonna take a deposit fee at btc-e, selling .15 below mtgox hit... 3$ withdraw fee to WMZ...third party xfer fee to WME, then fee to send WME where i want... might end up with 10eur, lol [17:48]
Cusipzzz 3% to WMZ [17:48]
guruvan I hope it's worth it :D [17:49]
Cusipzzz i will find out, lol. :) [17:49]
guruvan nowI'm quite curious what the project is [17:50]
mcorlett Trade secret. [17:51]
guruvan :( [17:51]
Cusipzzz trying to get around certain country-restrictions for certain transactions by using a fake but seemingly verified webmoney account to send legit WME [17:52]
Cusipzzz and if it works, will try it the other way..but the fees might be...prohibitive, lol [17:52]
Cusipzzz at least going the other way, seems cheaper.. deposit wmz to btc-e for 1%, buy btc cheap, withdraw [17:56]
guruvan hmm even more curiouser :D [18:01]
Cusipzzz guruvan: go get your arb money, that is me selling at 4.94 [18:19]
guruvan ;;calc 5.07 / 1.03 [18:20]
gribble 4.92233009709 [18:20]
guruvan meh [18:20]
guruvan not worth it :) [18:20]
Cusipzzz :/ [18:21]
guruvan bitinstant = 1.499% + .02% btc-e fee + .06% @ gox = 2.3% [18:22]
guruvan be interested to see how zipconf changes this dynamic [18:22]
Cusipzzz zipconf? [18:22]
guruvan zipconf.com - BTC instant inter-exchange xfers [18:23]
guruvan (no fiat transfers, only BTC) [18:23]
guruvan ZIP.A ipo was this week [18:23]
Cusipzzz hmm..but people want to get fiat to btc-e cheap, not btc [18:23]
guruvan yes- but that likely requires licensing and so on to convert monies ... :P [18:24]
guruvan the bitcoin transfer is also necessary [18:24]
guruvan there's a lotta times I'd be able to get a good trade if I could move bitcoin in under 1hr [18:24]
guruvan and ffs, when I REALLY wanna move BTC, it takes 1hr /each block/ LOL [18:25]
Cusipzzz yeah. the btc-e to gox to sell , if instant, would close that arb pretty fast [18:25]
guruvan mmhhm [18:25]
guruvan net result, I suspect is that the market flattens out, sees a little less of the 20-30 cent swings, and starts to pick up the incline too, but not so steep as last summer [18:26]
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Cusipzzz ok, sold on btc-e...waiting up to 24hrs for WMZ now...lol [18:29]
Cusipzzz 3.3% fee [18:29]
Cusipzzz only .2% for the trade, nice [18:30]
guruvan the trade fees there are awesome. Liquidity is a little low, and there's some pretty active pricing/market maker type bots (that don't trade so much) [18:32]
guruvan but - for one off trades like that - it's not bad [18:33]
guruvan also not bad if you're the type to make a decision, and hit a market order [18:33]
Cusipzzz whoa..completed [18:36]
Cusipzzz i guess the up to 24hrs is worst case...i have no acquired WMZ! lol.. now to get WME [18:36]
Cusipzzz now* [18:36]
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Cusipzzz ok...so no luck changing my wmz for wme...this is painful [19:31]
mircea_popescu kinda why i keep clear of all these various web money things [19:36]
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gigavps good afternoon [19:37]
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Cusipzzz yeah, this is nuts [19:42]
guruvan how's it going gigavps? [19:43]
gigavps pretty good [19:44]
gigavps https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75802.msg883881#msg883881 [19:44]
gigavps i case anyone is interested [19:44]
mircea_popescu Cusipzzz ironically bank wires may end up being the only actual way to move money around. [19:44]
guruvan Cuspizz - seems like the easiest way to transfer usd to eur is via gox or intersango via BTC transaction (deposit usd, sell for btc, sell btc for eur, [19:44]
guruvan but that may not be what you're trying to do either [19:45]
guruvan oh yeah gigavps :) that's interesting for sure. glad to see the release price, too! [19:45]
gigavps i'll probably do a pre-sale starting on Monday, details will be in the thread [19:46]
Blitzboom didn’t you lose money last time because you pre-sold? [19:47]
Blitzboom maybe it will go up again :D [19:47]
gigavps Blitzboom: i left money on the table for early investors yes [19:48]
gigavps that was the plan all along [19:48]
gigavps according to similar bonds like mine, gigamining should be in the 2 btc range [19:49]
gigavps it has been held down thus far because of a large ask wall [19:49]
gigavps so once this sale goes through, more returns will be had for savvy investors [19:49]
gigavps mircea_popescu is one of those savvy investors ;) [19:50]
mircea_popescu hm ? [19:50]
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Cusipzzz well, for anyone who cares, i got them to wake WMZ [21:14]
Cusipzzz take** [21:14]
mcorlett Group hug? [21:14]
Cusipzzz yes, ty [21:16]
Cusipzzz sold 11btc 4.94 btc-e, .2% fee... WMZ withdraw (5 mins) 3.3% fee. WMZ transfer .8%. not too bad. [21:17]
Cusipzzz success...priceles? [21:18]
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Cusipzzz the irony of having to send btc to russia to sell to transfer to another russian merchant to turn into fake USD to send to a curacao account of a european merchant (to avoid taxes obv) that doesn't deal with americans....is pretty rich. [21:35]
mcorlett Well, I hope it was worth it. [21:35]
Cusipzzz once i verify it works the other way it will be, lol. [21:36]
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* jurov is reading scrollback and learns useful wisdom: "if in doubt, blame bitcoinica" [21:53]
guruvan :D [21:57]
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mcorlett Cusipzzz: Looking for more? will sell btc for WMZ webmoney, rated ppl only [23:34]
Cusipzzz yes [23:34]
Cusipzzz you have? [23:35]
mcorlett Sorry, no. [23:36]
Cusipzzz ah, ok. anyone else have WMZ ? [23:40]
rg hm [23:46]
rg why you wants weird payment? [23:46]
rg ;;ticker [23:46]
gribble Best bid: 5.02934, Best ask: 5.03943, Bid-ask spread: 0.01009, Last trade: 5.02932, 24 hour volume: 26936, 24 hour low: 5.02932, 24 hour high: 5.1495 [23:46]
rg ;;asks 5.10 [23:46]
gribble There are currently 2363.5365 bitcoins offered at or under 5.1 USD, worth 12022.3618904 USD in total. [23:46]
rg ;;asks 5.2 [23:47]
gribble There are currently 25199.3 bitcoins offered at or under 5.2 USD, worth 129745.321917 USD in total. [23:47]
rg derrrrrrr [23:47]
mcorlett http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YfgKOnYx5A [23:55]
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