Forum logs for 05 Jun 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
pete_dushenski decimation: i can imagine employers shaking their 'devil hand' symbols at employees using unapproved encryption [00:00]
pete_dushenski http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs/pope_ratzinger-satan_sign.jpg << as displayed by this hitler youth feller [00:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQXIJ8 ) [00:01]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154505 << trivial. same reason usg isn't burying any of us alive in freshly-printed benjies [00:01]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:03:53; *: mircea_popescu is confused by this contradiction [00:01]
asciilifeform or for that matter gasenwagen [00:01]
* pete_dushenski wonders where duckduckgo finds these photos. [00:02]
asciilifeform they're still following the 'close your eyes and the room will go dark' algo. [00:02]
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decimation pete_dushenski: heh [00:03]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: careful with that "it's not just my fault" approach. look where it got fatso. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-06-2015#1151445 [00:03]
assbot Logged on 02-06-2015 17:22:10; mircea_popescu: magicaltux, and you're comment as ot whether "he's to blame entirely" [00:03]
decimation asciilifeform: one thing I was thinking the other day - now many women are in the workforce instead of at home - but because the number of dollars is not constant, all that has resulted is that both parents are on the treadmill [00:04]
decimation instead of only one [00:04]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: it's a contagious condition, this eyes closing = tikkun olam shtick [00:04]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: Not yet convinced, while he is responsible I do think there must have been a malicious third party involved which I suspect to be the USG [00:04]
asciilifeform decimation: this realization is at least a century old [00:04]
decimation 100 years ago people who owned a house could also afford at least one or two servants to help with childcare/home [00:05]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: that's not really the point here. the point is that he's the one of the hook. fatso's von flondor. [00:05]
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williamdunne Oh for sure, not questioning that at all [00:05]
williamdunne One of the main things I've been focusing on is getting as many degrees of separation as reasonably possible from USG [00:06]
decimation http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-32821678 < not a bad college plan [00:06]
assbot How US students get a university degree for free in Germany - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1AQY9TG ) [00:06]
pete_dushenski ok then. so... be mindful of who you're associating yourself with, is all. and what you're the face of, regardless of its apparent usg-icity to you. [00:06]
pete_dushenski ^williamdunne again ! [00:07]
pete_dushenski 1. it might not be readily apparent what is and is not 'usg' from your vantage point. [00:07]
pete_dushenski 2. that's not the only landmine in the world. [00:07]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: Indeed. Outside of fiat which is impossible to keep sole control of, I am responsible for funds. If something were to go wrong it would be my head on the pike. [00:08]
williamdunne But yeah [00:08]
pete_dushenski is ver 'usg' or just a fucking retard ? doesn't really matter, does it. [00:08]
williamdunne Plenty of risks involved [00:08]
pete_dushenski so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay [00:09]
williamdunne No no no [00:09]
pete_dushenski not that i'm suggesting 'key escrow' [00:10]
williamdunne fiat I can't control because I'm not both the bank and the central bank [00:10]
williamdunne But I am the account signatory [00:10]
asciilifeform williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date) [00:10]
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asciilifeform !up KRS1 [00:11]
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KRS1 thanks [00:11]
KRS1 Can you spare just 1 BTC? Ranji is a 9yr old boy living in Namibia. He has only 1 leg, 1 arm and 1 eye. Each day he has to ride 7 miles to school along a narrow road on a rusty bike with bent wheels, no brakes and only 1 pedal. [00:12]
asciilifeform l0l [00:12]
pete_dushenski KRS1: address ? [00:12]
KRS1 If you send me just 1 BTC I will send you the video. Its fuckin' hilarious! [00:12]
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pete_dushenski aw... he left. [00:12]
decimation meowmix? [00:12]
williamdunne 1 BTC will hire the local village drunk to bludgeon him with a stone, to put the poor child out of his misery [00:12]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << the whole 'clipper chip affair reloaded!' thing is half of a classical 'good cop/bad cop' act [00:12]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/ [00:12]
danielpbarron i recognize that name, possibly from otc [00:13]
asciilifeform decimation: chumpers are to think, presumably, that if 'big bad fbi' 'hates crypto' therefore 'buy redphone!' [00:13]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, but I don't think it's an act [00:13]
decimation I suspect there are people in usg who hold his views exactly [00:13]
pete_dushenski danielpbarron: he's been here before. i assumed he was kidding ! [00:13]
asciilifeform decimation: the actors in the act are the best kind, from the standpoint of the muppetmasters - they don't know they are actors, likely [00:13]
danielpbarron williamdunne, you got my latertell ok? [00:13]
trinque I'd watch that video, got 0.001 BTC on it [00:13]
williamdunne danielpbarron: Did thanks, think you got one in return [00:14]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: i dunno who's rougher now, you or that cop ;) [00:14]
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williamdunne danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: [00:14]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: THE COP WAS JUSTIFIED, DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN [00:14]
williamdunne yeah, thats what I thought [00:14]
danielpbarron ah, stupid gribble doesn't send it till i send him a command [00:14]
asciilifeform decimation: i still had a scrap of doubt about zimmerman's betrayal all the way until i got into a d.c. metro car plastered, literally floor to ceiling, with 'redphone' ads. [00:14]
williamdunne danielpbarron: Deaf and dumb robots [00:15]
asciilifeform the notion that this would be permitted were he not a usg asset, or that his little shop of horrors could afford the fee, is sheer lunacy [00:15]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: could be worse, could be lanier pumping the windoze phoenz [00:15]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: who the hell cares what a transparent shill does [00:16]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: did i say he wasn't ? [00:16]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: heavily implied ;) [00:16]
asciilifeform (for non-mordor folks, i will add that the entire train, and in fact all the trains i was in that day, had the same ads) [00:16]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: people who buy redphone, i suppose. [00:16]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: naturally [00:17]
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decimation https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/the-purpose-of-absurdity/ < [00:18]
assbot The purpose of absurdity | Bloody shovel ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIfr5A ) [00:18]
decimation Zhao Gao knew how to play the actors [00:19]
asciilifeform decimation: the concept described in the linked piece is known as 'shit test' to the pua enthusiasts [00:19]
decimation yeah more-or-less [00:20]
decimation but the important element is that one must 'make believe' in the appropriate way [00:20]
decimation In the West of course we have Hans Christen Andersen?s tale about the kid and the emperor?s new clothes. The funny part is it?s fiction. And the story is just about a child, who having a pure heart, dares to say the truth against the powerful. [00:20]
mats fun fact: 'zhao gao' also translates to 'terrible' [00:20]
decimation The moral is that we should be ashamed of ourselves and aspire to be as virtuous as this child. But of course in reality this child would have been arrested and executed, alongside his parents. Which is obviously why nobody tells the king about his new clothes. They?re not stupid. [00:20]
* williamdunne is off for the night [00:21]
asciilifeform the yudkowskyans call it 'evaporative cooling' (to describe why doomsday cults on day n+1 after planned 'doomsday' not only do not fall apart, but get more 'culty') [00:21]
asciilifeform named for physical effect where fastest molecules phase off into vapour and whole thing has lower energy as per boltzmann [00:22]
decimation asciilifeform: but there's an interesting parallel to usg: they 'won' the cold war, yet failed to unemploy the 'national security' complex [00:22]
asciilifeform (for those who slept through school) [00:22]
decimation now they want to bring of the end of days by destroying terrorism [00:22]
asciilifeform the 'eternal war' thing is summarized by herr orwell [00:22]
decimation but the deeply weird thing is that nobody questions - 'oh those people who were working on red commies are now working on terrorism' [00:23]
decimation that's a great set of clothes. the deer is a fine horse, etc [00:23]
trinque "freedom from terrorism" is a particularly insidious concept [00:23]
trinque that jumped out at me right away [00:23]
trinque I expect to hear that phrase again [00:23]
asciilifeform trinque: it arguably descends from u.s. hitler (fdr) 's phrase 'freedom from fear' [00:25]
trinque didn't our thing eat all his useful folks? [00:25]
trinque sounds about right [00:25]
decimation Spandrell made another good point in his next post: "Say a woman that gets a job before of a female quota, but is chosen specifically because she isn?t a loud feminist and does not abuse her legal privilege. Will she ever abandon feminism? Most likely not. After all she owes her job to feminism, even if she had to take a second sanity test. But she has nothing to win, and quite a lot to lose from abolishing female quotas." [00:25]
decimation ^ how usg employment works [00:26]
asciilifeform phun phakt for non-u.s. folks: usg contractors who are registered as 'woman-owned' get preferential contract status. the practical consequence of this is that a great many operators of such firms have them registered in wife's name [00:27]
asciilifeform (makes for interesting divorce proceedings, one might imagine) [00:27]
pete_dushenski or tighter pre-nups [00:27]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: pre-nups, as a general rule, don't work in usa [00:27]
pete_dushenski for real ? [00:28]
asciilifeform (more accurately, they work in the same manner as patents. which is to say, if you have infinite money and are willing to spend most of it on lawyers, it can be made to 'work' in a way.) [00:28]
decimation asciilifeform: also there's supposedly a super-category for minorities/handicapped/veterans [00:28]
trinque and if you have kids involved, forget it [00:29]
decimation https://www.sba.gov/category/navigation-structure/eligibility-requirements [00:29]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i guess i figured that since usa is where they're mostly use, that pre-nups work there. upon reflection, this is a nonsensical conclusion ! [00:29]
asciilifeform decimation: the golden quadrifecta is female minority crippled in iraq [00:29]
trinque the court can rule in "the best interest of the child" [00:29]
asciilifeform trinque: even in the absence of children, imagine that, l0l [00:29]
trinque well she might later, and he owes her! [00:29]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: again, they 'work' like patents 'work' [00:29]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, it's a real thing too I hear. if one of these 8(a) qualified companies enter bidding, they automatically win [00:29]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: mhm. so it would seem [00:29]
asciilifeform which is to say, every idiot who wastes time and money on it imagines that it will work in his case, because celebrity xxxxx [00:29]
asciilifeform 'patents are great, look at edison' [00:30]
decimation everything usg does is partially mixed with its 'civil relgion' [00:30]
asciilifeform how could it be otherwise. [00:30]
decimation greenspun has a continual rant on the divorce racket [00:31]
* trinque cannot think of a single reason he would marry [00:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 117450 @ 0.00034004 = 39.9377 BTC [-] {2} [00:32]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154551 << which board is that ? [00:32]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:48:58; williamdunne: Latest board resolution contains a line similar to the one in a couple of MPEX contracts that goes along the lines of "The company deems this contract valid, regardless of the opinion or declaration of any person, regardless of what title that they may choose to fashion themselves with" lol [00:32]
decimation it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman [00:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32722 @ 0.00033939 = 11.1055 BTC [-] {2} [00:33]
trinque decimation: I don't mind the thought of raising kids at all; still don't think I'd marry [00:34]
asciilifeform decimation: it is interesting to consider the implications of mass 'awakening' to btc as an anti-divorcetheft instrument [00:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154562 <---> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154694 [00:34]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:53:01; williamdunne: While I'm going to be putting myself very publicly as the face of the company, I'm not the only one responsible for it [00:34]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:28:58; decimation: it's a good way to raise children, but lord help you if you marry the wrong woman [00:34]
trinque asciilifeform: not a bad point there [00:34]
asciilifeform decimation: the likely next step for usg is probably 'naggum-style' taxation on 'what you probably earned and hid' [00:34]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform or anti-fiat-theft generally [00:34]
asciilifeform sorta like the silk road sentence [00:34]
mircea_popescu taxation ; redistribution ; alimony ; you name it-y [00:34]
trinque having too much btc will have a word like "structuring" pretty soon [00:34]
trinque utterly devoid of meaning aside from "and for this we will fuck you dry" [00:35]
asciilifeform 'so, mr schmuck, you ran a widget factory, brought in p/yr. ex-mrs schmuck is now entitled to y*(p-r) where r was your rent' [00:35]
decimation mircea_popescu: I don't get your point re: <---> [00:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform not that far off, it is after all the argument they brought before australian courts against austian dotcom kid. or for that matter in swiss courts against belgian dude. [00:35]
mircea_popescu "this person is charged with being more powerful than we like to see." [00:35]
pete_dushenski decimation: business is marriage, and vice versa [00:35]
asciilifeform for so long as the robbers even bother to construct arguments, they will necessarily take this form [00:35]
mircea_popescu decimation that it's the same thing, basially. [00:35]
decimation ah I see what you are getting at, need to choose your partners carefully [00:36]
asciilifeform sorta like that fable, where the sheep asks the wolf what his 'crime' was, why he deserves to be eaten, and wolf answers 'your crime was that i am hungry and you are fat' [00:37]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah but if your wealth is in bitcoin, it's not obvious you are a sheep nor fat [00:37]
asciilifeform decimation: thing is, it is still obvious if usd walked in and didn't walk out [00:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154566 << no. fbi agents should help us prevent usg above all else. [00:37]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 02:54:13; decimation: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/04/fbi-official-companies-should-help-us-prevent-encryption-above-all-else/ [00:37]
asciilifeform (of your pocket) [00:38]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah, usg can still claim usd tax [00:38]
asciilifeform just like the ancient observation that if two walk into a cave, and one walks out, someone probably got clobbered [00:38]
decimation but they can't send agents to question why you withdrew $10k [00:39]
asciilifeform this is, for example, why 'coinbase' will happily sell u.s. folks btc [00:39]
asciilifeform decimation: l0l, tell it to that congresscritter [00:39]
decimation I mean $10k in btc [00:39]
asciilifeform well yes, but they know that $10k walked in in usd [00:39]
pete_dushenski then 'withdrew' from where ? [00:39]
asciilifeform and never walked out [00:39]
decimation yeah this is a point, as long as usd is 'money' they can toy with anyone [00:40]
asciilifeform anyone paid in usd, at any rate [00:40]
decimation anyone forced to use usd to eat bread [00:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154601 << it is how bitbet works. [00:41]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:05:28; pete_dushenski: so one person does funds, one person does other things ? you might excuse me for being suddenly reminded of magicaltux's recent 'decentralise the exchanges' essay [00:41]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: upon reflection, alternative is either a) have one person do everything, or b) 'multisig' [00:42]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154606 << just one more asset ended up with head on pike, now barking at the outskirts. [00:42]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:06:48; asciilifeform: williamdunne: the usg connection of karpeles is as clear as daylight, considering how he is investigationally untouchable (both in the sr trials and in the greatest btc-related monetary black hole known to date) [00:42]
decimation mircea_popescu: those agents investigating dpr apparently 'switched sides' [00:42]
pete_dushenski so i guess the bitbet model makes sense. [00:42]
* mircea_popescu is rooting for him, gavin and that radioshow derp getting together and starting a wallet site or something. [00:42]
asciilifeform decimation: if the fools had the elementary common sense to share the bakshish up the chain of command, they'd be walking still [00:43]
* pete_dushenski imagines 'decentralised' mit wallet [00:43]
decimation asciilifeform: this was sop in su as I understand [00:43]
asciilifeform decimation: in all 'orcish' nations [00:43]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform honestly i dun think so. [00:43]
mircea_popescu it's shocking enough that one dea agent defected over about 1 year's nominal pay. [00:44]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: there is a long list of idiocies not yet surfaced. for instance, a usg stooge will eventually propose 'wallets' keyed to passport chips or the like [00:44]
mircea_popescu the notion that an entire hierarchy would manage to split it into bits... heh. [00:44]
mircea_popescu i dun see it. [00:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the quantities are not co-measurable [00:44]
mircea_popescu maybe. [00:44]
decimation usg has promised all of them a comforatable retirement if they play ball [00:44]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: half a mil in usd is not 'i-can-give-it-to-isis-money' [00:44]
asciilifeform btc - is. [00:45]
trinque it remains to be seen what charges these guys end up with [00:45]
asciilifeform usd is considerably closer to being paid in month-old sausages than to money [00:45]
asciilifeform yes, it's valuable, in a sense [00:45]
asciilifeform and you can live on it [00:45]
trinque and I wonder how many got away with it [00:45]
asciilifeform but where is it 10 yrs from now [00:45]
mircea_popescu what do you suppose ten-twenty twerps can do with enough money to buy isis a humvee each ? [00:45]
mircea_popescu they already donated 2.5k of them or w/e [00:46]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: i look forward to it. my new passport is a 10-year affair and has some sort of electronics in it. "don't get passport wet, treat like mobile device" it says. [00:46]
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asciilifeform this is the difference between money and scip [00:46]
asciilifeform scrip [00:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, the one important point in all this is - even the people on govt team don't like other people on govt team enough to go partners. [00:46]
mircea_popescu think about that. it's like being in a bar where you hate everyone to the point you wouldnt buy them a drink. [00:46]
mircea_popescu why the fuck are you there then [00:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they would have, if they could be sure of 'blink back' when 'blinking eyelashes' up the chain of command [00:47]
mircea_popescu aha. exactly. [00:47]
mircea_popescu and they'd hit on the hot blonde, if they could be sure of same. [00:47]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you're there because you were born and raised there and door is welded shut ? [00:47]
mircea_popescu as it is tho... [00:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154628 << o did stoya ever answer ? [00:48]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 03:10:20; williamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: [00:48]
decimation maybe usg employees think that if the just stick around one more year they can 'change the system' liked they fantasized about when they signed up [00:49]
decimation or maybe most of them are unemployable in 'the real world' [00:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to grasp this, it is necessary to look through the porthole glass on the atomic dirigible, down to the planet below - where most folks are so thoroughly wedded to their meal ticket that they do not really perceive themselves as having a choice of what sort of system to be part of, aside from the abstract choice of eating one's pistol [00:49]
asciilifeform (the latter is an increasingly common path out of u.s. army - ever wonder why?) [00:49]
mircea_popescu most of them are necessarily unemployable in the real world [00:50]
decimation asciilifeform: note that this 'marriage' isn't really about a meal as much as a fantasy [00:50]
asciilifeform decimation: it is about 'i do this and i keep eating; i don't - and don't' [00:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151523 @ 0.00033658 = 50.9996 BTC [-] {2} [00:50]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.20538785 = 1.0269 BTC [-] [00:50]
decimation for instance, spacex runs on the same 'fumes' [00:50]
decimation people are willing to spend their lives gaining skills only to end up paying elon to work for him [00:51]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform doesn't that sound like something to discontinue on general principle ? [00:51]
asciilifeform spacex ultimately runs on the apparatus whereby continent full of schmucks is robbed of what little they produce [00:51]
mircea_popescu what are they, sharecroppers ? [00:51]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sure! [00:51]
mircea_popescu i suppose the one true differential between lords and peons is the answer to the simple question [00:51]
decimation people in the midwest have kids, some of them have skills, and they end up in some bureaucracy [00:51]
mircea_popescu "is life a good above all else" [00:51]
mircea_popescu all yes in this pile. all no in that pile. end of story. [00:52]
asciilifeform there is also the realization, shared by the more-intellectually-bent part of usa, that 'if i were to be paid what i am worth, i will starve and be boiled for soap. therefore gotta help carry on the scam' [00:52]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that's surely the majority of usg [00:52]
asciilifeform it is virtually everyone [00:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform this is a very poor excuse for not coming up with better scams. [00:52]
asciilifeform i, for instance, have precisely zero desire to be 'paid what i'm worth' [00:52]
mircea_popescu note that i am not proposing for civilisation to go away [00:52]
decimation how do you outscam the printing press? [00:53]
asciilifeform ^ [00:53]
mircea_popescu there's always a way. [00:53]
asciilifeform short of perpetuum mobile, which physical reality balks at - printing press is -the- scam. [00:53]
asciilifeform sorta the carnot engine of sc4mz0r1ng [00:53]
decimation well, generally the 'way' in the us is to be on the benefit side of the printing press [00:54]
asciilifeform decimation: pretty much every living thing in nato-dom is alive beneficiary of the printing press. [00:54]
mircea_popescu out of the crooked timber of humanity, no THE thing was ever made. [00:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: printing press scam is directly analogous to carnot engine. it is the closest shave one can give the sheep without skinning them [00:55]
asciilifeform or at least aims to be [00:55]
mircea_popescu well. [00:55]
mircea_popescu consider : roman empire also used the same process. [00:55]
asciilifeform hence the astonishingly baroque refinements it is subject to [00:55]
asciilifeform romans had not yet calculating machines, and did not have anything quite like modern 'derivatives' etc [00:56]
asciilifeform whereas today you can actually make a chump who insists on knowing precisely how he is being chumped be left with an np-complete problem! [00:56]
mircea_popescu actually, they did. both. [00:56]
mircea_popescu and if zenon's arrow in flight discussion is not exactly the latter... [00:57]
asciilifeform that's sorta like saying that they had modern construction equipment. yes, there were cranes powered with man-sized hamster wheels [00:57]
asciilifeform but not same [00:57]
mircea_popescu i propose to you that for an army of archers, plate armor is much more than our current ceramic plating and woven nylons. [00:57]
mircea_popescu similarly, it can perhaps be argued successfully that the romans had better "social sciences" in the weaponized, political sense [00:58]
asciilifeform quite similar, in that plate was astonishingly expensive [00:58]
mircea_popescu than the us ever did or ever will. [00:58]
trinque americans are helplessly narcissistic and cannot collaborate [00:58]
trinque that's why they didn't think up a better scam [00:58]
mircea_popescu what, unlike the friends, romans, countrymen ? [00:58]
mircea_popescu gimme a break. [00:58]
trinque perhaps not; I'd expect though that we're incredibly low on the scale [00:59]
trinque I don't think the way in which communication happens here would be considered high bandwidth [00:59]
asciilifeform what would the hypothetical 'better scam' look like ? [00:59]
asciilifeform as it is, half the planet toils so that u.s. schmucks can get tankers full of little orange plastic pumpkins every october to hang on their porch [01:00]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1154671 << they can only be enforced by women against men, moreover. [01:00]
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asciilifeform better scam would result in what? more pumpkins ? [01:00]
mircea_popescu if you have a deal that says she walks without any money or children, it'll be thrown out. [01:00]
mircea_popescu if it says the reverse... well duh. [01:01]
trinque more bitcoins for Mr Force, I thought [01:01]
asciilifeform trinque: we (or at least i) do not know how many bitcoins -presently- for yellen [01:01]
asciilifeform or thiel [01:01]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i dunno. [01:01]
asciilifeform trinque: the basic crime of herr force - aside from the unforgivable 'didn't pass the bakshish up the chain' - is that a commoner has pretense to lordly things [01:03]
trinque asciilifeform: here's a better scam; kill the price for a bit by imploding gox [01:03]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform the latter. the former only exists in imagination. [01:04]
trinque meanwhile looting it [01:04]
asciilifeform trinque: this is likely to be repeated, and next on the chopping block is probably 'coinbase' [01:04]
asciilifeform the new gox [01:04]
mircea_popescu there is not enough bakshees to pass up the chain, because bitcoin is not fiat. they need > 9k% to be satisfied. [01:04]
trinque oh, certainly. [01:04]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform coinbase is definitely on the chopping block. [01:04]
mircea_popescu teh republic never liked it. [01:04]
asciilifeform meant, that it'll be flushed by usg [01:05]
asciilifeform rather than nailed in the wild [01:05]
mircea_popescu you generally overtate the efficacity of the derp. [01:05]
asciilifeform from outside of the walls it'll look quite like a 'goxing' yes. [01:05]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: the one thing they know how to do is arson [01:05]
asciilifeform in all the various senses of the word [01:05]
mircea_popescu but think of it this way : never, in the history of tyhe world, did ~they~ ever destroy anything. [01:05]
mircea_popescu if they can, they'll just fgill it with straw and keep pretending. [01:06]
asciilifeform yes, it's the flames that destroy, not the boy with the matches [01:06]
mircea_popescu mtgox's fall took specific, directed pushing [01:06]
mircea_popescu and they tried tooth and nail to keep on. [01:06]
mircea_popescu so did everything else, so does everything else. [01:06]
mircea_popescu the woman that is the state yields eventually, once squeezed enough. not before. [01:06]
asciilifeform one could even argue that gox is not dead, but rather passed the torch to coinbase/bitstamp [01:06]
asciilifeform in the same way as ibm passed it to microshit [01:07]
asciilifeform and microshit is now passing it to google et al [01:07]
asciilifeform the unmistakeable attributes of 'goxitude' - 'kyc/aml' crapolade, mysterious freezes/'questionings'/account dissolutions/'verifications' - carry on [01:08]
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asciilifeform as do the basic mechanics of a goxatron - encouragement of off-chain payments via 'codes' rather than proper btc, goading users to keep coin in -exchange's- wallet, etc. [01:09]
mircea_popescu yes yes. in any case, mtgox ended exactly the way faux gpg, or system d, or gavincoin, or the sec or the fbi are gonna end [01:10]
mircea_popescu we're going to charge particular ineptitude, and employ ridicule [01:10]
mircea_popescu they're going to spin and deny and pretend nothing happened. [01:11]
mircea_popescu by the book. [01:11]
mircea_popescu an' with that, i bid you all something or the other! [01:12]
decimation here's how to 'out-scam' the printing press: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/ < "In other words we?re trending toward a society where about half of the working-age adults will kill themselves with 60-80-hour weeks while the other half will relax on the sofa." [01:12]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1MrNSyK ) [01:12]
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mircea_popescu it occurs to me someone should perhaps point out to that lying scumbag andresen that https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/ [09:27]
assbot BitBet - Bitcoin main net block size to increase in 2015 :: 1.75 B (12%) on Yes, 13.09 B (88%) on No | closing in 5 months 2 weeks | weight: 51`751 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KITrYz ) [09:27]
mircea_popescu all these imaginary bitcoin businesses and so on that supposedly support him could make a pretty penny bettinbg for the thing they allegedly support at 11:1. [09:28]
mircea_popescu funny how the buterin waterfal works. there's allegedly all these usg "companies" with "millions" in their coffers that have "investors" and whanot. meanwhile nobody can be arsed to buy any amount of their stock at a 50% to 90% discount. for like...a year now. [09:29]
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mircea_popescu ethereum was going to be the bees knees for sure definitely absolutely. it even raised a shitton of btc, allegedly. except... not. not at all, not a little bit. [09:29]
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shinohai rofl I must send out a taunting tweet [09:30]
mircea_popescu and so on and so forth, gavin's spoken to "economists" that agree with him except meanwhile they turn out to not exist and he has the support of business except all that business can't get a hundred bitcoin together. in which sense, it is obviously a subsection of the tardstalk forum - those guys got like 1k together to give marquardt so he could leave council housing. [09:30]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform 31 too huh. i notice something strange here, brb while i write it up. [09:32]
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mircea_popescu jurov hanbot http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-may-2015-statement/ btw. [09:35]
assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) May 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIUnw3 ) [09:35]
mircea_popescu !up HostFat [09:35]
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mircea_popescu hm, does anyone remember this excellent write-up of the videogaming industry wrt drivers ? it was a fable-like story, didn't name intel nvidia ati etc but described the interactions with game developers in some intricate detail. [09:38]
mircea_popescu i dun recall if i put it in here or not tho ;/ [09:38]
wyrdmantis hi HostFat [09:38]
mircea_popescu http://richg42.blogspot.com.ar/2014/05/the-truth-on-opengl-driver-quality.html [09:39]
assbot Rich Geldreich's Tech Blog: The Truth on OpenGL Driver Quality ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87U11 ) [09:39]
mircea_popescu thank you intel. [09:39]
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shinohai For that special woman in your life, Nazi undies! http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/nazi-booty-eva-braun-panties-sale-ohio-article-1.2243354 [09:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1H87Y0I ) [09:39]
mircea_popescu !gettrust HostFat [09:47]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user HostFat: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=HostFat | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/HostFat/ [09:47]
mircea_popescu wyrdmantis dja know the guy ? [09:47]
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HostFat hi mircea [09:51]
HostFat I'm the italian moderator on bitcointalk [09:51]
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mircea_popescu hey. wouldja mind getting into the wot, for one thing ? [09:51]
HostFat actually I'm really busy because I'm trasfering in another city on these 2 days [09:52]
HostFat *currently [09:52]
mircea_popescu well not this instant. generally. [09:52]
HostFat anyway, I'm also the one that has made a bet about the block size on bitbet :P [09:53]
mircea_popescu for the other thing : plox to not email bomb me ; bitbet's not keeping your bitcoin, rejected props get refunded as it gets around to it ; yeah 1 btc is prolly enough for that purpose ; if https://bitbet.us/bet/786/bitcoin-to-surpass-berkshire-as-an-investment/ and https://bitbet.us/bet/7/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-march-1st/ being paid out isn't going to convince you i guess nothing will. [09:53]
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assbot BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 3 months 2 weeks ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLqU ) [09:53]
assbot BitBet - BFL will deliver ASIC devices before March 1st :: 791.29 B (47%) on Yes, 898.53 B (53%) on No | closed 2 years 3 months ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8aLHj ) [09:53]
HostFat I did't know about the refund, good, than I'll make again the bet with 1 BTC at this time :) [09:56]
mircea_popescu gl. [09:56]
wyrdmantis mircea_popescu i know him, never met IRL, debated with him about blocksize change :) [09:56]
mircea_popescu oic. [09:57]
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scoopbot_revived The Nordic System, a new novel by Mircea Popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-nordic-system-a-new-novel-by-mircea-popescu/ [10:02]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell nubbins` ^ [10:04]
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Pierre_Rochard ;;later tell pete_dushenski clarifying that I am indeed not GBANGA! ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rREGbLdOzfg ) and that I would’ve thought a greyhound bus would be a great way to launder money, but events proved otherwise [10:09]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:09]
assbot Steve Holt! - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RPm0HM ) [10:09]
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mircea_popescu lol [10:14]
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pete_dushenski ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. [10:34]
gribble The operation succeeded. [10:34]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard: ha, classic show and classic scene ! [10:35]
pete_dushenski if i needed to move $1 mn + i'm not sure that i'd take any form of public transportation [10:36]
pete_dushenski why not just hop in saddam, throw in a radar detector (legal here ftr), and obey the traffic laws up until i arrived at my destination [10:36]
pete_dushenski (saddam = merc) [10:37]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: a novel ! [10:43]
pete_dushenski two thoughts : 1) i won't postpone (any more) weddings, 2) i do love 'that ancient story' [10:44]
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pete_dushenski ;;ticker [11:08]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 224.89, Best ask: 225.08, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 225.08, 24 hour volume: 18751.17657895, 24 hour low: 222.64, 24 hour high: 229.23, 24 hour vwap: None [11:08]
pete_dushenski ;;nethash [11:08]
gribble 343170046.183 [11:08]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski :p [11:09]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: Geldreich was a kind of GPU savant/whisperer iirc. And an advocate of Unix/Linux gaming. [11:30]
mircea_popescu yes. [11:31]
thestringpuller The amazing thing is how Microsoft's plan for DirectX segmented the market like this (inconsistent GL drivers) [11:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:32]
thestringpuller Back when consoles were still kool tho, you could at least depend on Nintendo/Sony to have a sane third party get you drivers for the machine. [11:35]
thestringpuller consistent drivers* [11:35]
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williamdunne MPwilliamdunne: danielpbarron: Not sure why she couldn't have just come on here D: <<< Nah don't think Stoya ever did :/ That message was about Indian asking DPB to get my contact details for some reason [12:10]
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shinohai LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/ [12:14]
assbot This Lawsuit Could sink one of the hottest bitcoin companies - Fortune ... ( http://bit.ly/1KeZTZ6 ) [12:14]
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pete_dushenski shinohai: heh. there's a reason they're listed on f.derp [12:22]
pete_dushenski and no amount of moving to switzerland can save them [12:23]
shinohai They have obnoxious ads everywhere offering 20k satoshi to sign up. wtf is that shit. [12:23]
pete_dushenski it's usual dangle-bait shit for shartups with moar capital than brains [12:24]
* williamdunne hasn't yet been subjected to obnoxious ads, except from Gem and *shudders* QuadrigaCX [12:24]
shinohai That's not even good dangle-bait. [12:24]
pete_dushenski no different than uber doing 'free' pick-ups for goodwill donations from people's houses [12:24]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: ya, qcx is everywhere. annoyingly. [12:25]
williamdunne I haven't seen it in maybe a week but for months I couldn't touch a video without having that stupid voice telling me I should use a Canadian exchange [12:35]
williamdunne WHY [12:35]
williamdunne WHY THE FUCK WOULD I DO THAT [12:35]
williamdunne Nearly as derpy as the exchange bragging about FATCA compliance [12:43]
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trinque http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/05/hacked-federal-personnel-files-could-turn-employees-into-foreign-spies/ << check out that security theater FireEye interface [12:51]
assbot Hacked federal personnel files could turn employees into foreign spies ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8StFP ) [12:51]
trinque delusional bastards [12:51]
pete_dushenski ha, gee golly those sure are some pretty graphics. [12:53]
pete_dushenski nothing to hide there ! [12:53]
pete_dushenski because it's too hard to 'incentive' security without making it shiny [12:54]
pete_dushenski i swear this is a french thing [12:54]
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pete_dushenski or at least i saw more of these 'shiny incentives' in the french part of switzerland than the german part [12:54]
pete_dushenski german part : spotless, not signs telling citizens to pick up trash, people just behave themselves [12:55]
trinque interesting [12:55]
trinque the only useful part of that screen is the log, and they gave it what, 5-10% of the real estate [12:55]
pete_dushenski french part : not so spotless (though hardly "dirty") with plenty of "fun" marketing ploys to encourage "right" behaviour [12:56]
pete_dushenski trinque: that 5-10% is important for actually working, but the other 90-95% is better at making it *look* like you're working [12:57]
pete_dushenski on something quite important and hollywood-esque, no less [12:57]
trinque sure, the other part gets fireeye paid [12:57]
trinque I think in the absence of any actual history, this is what americans do: imitate (their own terrible) film [12:57]
trinque it's just like the guys hunting Jack Bauer or whatever [12:58]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://cryptome.org/2015/06/dia-mil-spy-papers.htm << mega-l0l [12:58]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:58]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7382BEE1309329B35A14D11394BC4068C4491033B855ED56B7CBE15AE0EB9A2A and http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/709FF94FF727A8490E99459EEC2989C1EB80FE9A03DF0F1DA6911EB4D5497907 [12:59]
gribble The operation succeeded. [12:59]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V1nr ) [12:59]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8V4zz ) [12:59]
trinque if I find the time I may compile a recent history of the chinese kicking our asses [12:59]
trinque I bet the chinese version of that screen does what it's supposed to, at a bare minimum [13:00]
asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604.pdf << latest usg mega-l0l. massive and very tedious slide deck of pseudolegalisms [13:01]
pete_dushenski "PRISM is one of the most valuable, unique, and productive accesses for NSA – don’t miss out on your targets." [13:03]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform since you're here : http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/ [13:07]
assbot The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H8Xpuk ) [13:07]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: afaik the distribution of factors in random large N is an open problem [13:10]
mircea_popescu ok, but seems to me the proposition that "if you pick a random number, the odds of it being divisible by 17 are 1 in 17" is fairly uncontroversial. [13:11]
pete_dushenski "the TIC and NETWORZ consolidation initiative is behind schedule and unlikely to achieve its goal of delivering less than 100 connections either in short- or mid-term timeframes." << not saying this is an easy task, but holy shit does the manhattan project *feel* like it was 3 generations ago. what goals can usg hope to accomplish these days, other than writing more pieces of paper and making more pp slides ? [13:11]
mircea_popescu seeing how every 17th number etc. [13:12]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski myeah. [13:12]
pete_dushenski every single last one of the 'initiatives' outlined in that document are under-funded, poorly specified, and behind schedule [13:13]
pete_dushenski unless the initiative was just a 'plan' [13:14]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: also looks like you did the 'magic' and non-magic keys together [13:14]
mircea_popescu so i did. [13:15]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we might have a case of the proverbial 'randomly wired neural network, close your eyes and the room is dark' on our hands. these N were not crapped our by dice, but are permuted versions of properly-generated N. and could have interesting mathematical properties [13:16]
mircea_popescu kinda what im inching towards : the plain observation that the odds for this situation so far look like ~1% is something [13:16]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-06-2015#1155219 << i have nfi when or how xapo got to be "one of the hottest". it's not even clear it ever existed. [13:20]
assbot Logged on 05-06-2015 15:10:32; shinohai: LOL Xapo http://fortune.com/2015/06/04/xapo-lawsuit-fraud/ [13:20]
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asciilifeform http://cryptome.org/2015/06/cyber-spy-nyt-15-0604-2.pdf >> http://dpaste.com/2WR0X9E.txt << lulzy [13:22]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FywOCD ) [13:22]
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scoopbot_revived The strange case of the unentropic entropy and other bedtime stories of primes and people. http://trilema.com/2015/the-strange-case-of-the-unentropic-entropy-and-other-bedtime-stories-of-primes-and-people/ [13:24]
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mircea_popescu !rated wences [13:28]
assbot wences is not registered in WoT. [13:28]
mircea_popescu hm. [13:28]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform what's noteworthy in either those cryptome links ? [13:35]
mircea_popescu "If you live in an expensive city and are acquainted with families collecting welfare the book confirms what you might have noticed, i.e., that it would be irrational for the adults in the family to enter the workforce. Here in Cambridge, Massachusetts, for example, the welfare families that I have spent the most time with occupy apartments with a market rent of about $4,500 per month ($54,000 per year in post-tax inco [13:36]
mircea_popescu me) in a building with a swimming pool, two gyms, and a variety of other luxurious facilities. Their health care is free through some combination of Medicaid, Obamacare, and a city-run health system. Their food is mostly free through food stamps. They can get cash from TANF and some similar programs. They would need to earn at least $160,000 per year pre-tax to obtain the same standard of living at market prices. Howev [13:36]
mircea_popescu er, even if someone were to offer the adults in the family a $160,000 per year job it would not be rational for them to accept it. If they were ever to lose that job it would take many years of paperwork, bureaucracy, and waiting lists to get back to their current welfare lifestyle." [13:36]
mircea_popescu heh. [13:37]
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mircea_popescu spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village for an entire year to keep a couple tards and their ill behaved, poorly brought up, genetically deffective offspring on reddit. [13:38]
mircea_popescu and this is supposed to be sustainable or something ? [13:38]
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pete_dushenski to quote myself : "So let me get this straight, “sustainable” doesn’t mean “long-lasting, likely to perpetuate, and likely to lead to the fullness of human flourishing” so much as “designed to give idiots resources without also teaching them how to think well enough to distribute said resources with a view towards the long-term.”" [13:41]
mircea_popescu guess so. [13:42]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's noteworthy... << the sheer lameness of the dissertation titles [14:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: as for the 2nd, the idiot flailing re: 'cyber attack' [14:02]
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asciilifeform spend more than it costs to run an african/southeast asian village... << it is not clear to me that this is so. they aren't being given actual solid money, note. they are given bezzlars, most of which come back to the loop immediately [14:03]
asciilifeform the 160k 'can't buy turkeys' [14:04]
asciilifeform or crates of kalash [14:04]
ben_vulpes http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2015/06/bill-nye-the-universe-will-provide/ [14:14]
assbot Bill Nye: The Universe Will Provide (NSFW) | The Big Picture ... ( http://bit.ly/1GcTDPP ) [14:14]
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pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: lols [14:15]
pete_dushenski pretty much just same old idiots running around using larger-than-life forces to explain their existences [14:18]
pete_dushenski s/universe/god [14:18]
pete_dushenski just the secular scientistic use of the same term [14:18]
pete_dushenski without any of the "i'll put it in god's hands" or "god only knows" deference, sadly [14:19]
pete_dushenski "Nye was born on November 27, 1955, in Washington, D.C., to Jacqueline (née Jenkins; 1921–2000), a codebreaker during World War II, and Edwin Darby "Ned" Nye (1917–97), also a World War II veteran, whose experience without electricity in a Japanese prisoner of war camp led him to become a sundial enthusiast." [14:21]
pete_dushenski asketh of retardopedia for lulz, and lulz ye shall receive. [14:21]
pete_dushenski "i know, let's let anyone who wants to edit articles have admin privileges because wanting is the only barrier to entry our society has !" [14:23]
pete_dushenski cripes. [14:23]
trinque ben_vulpes: heh that one had me roaring [14:24]
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thestringpuller ;;bc,stats [14:36]
gribble Current Blocks: 359550 | Current Difficulty: 4.758959115362501E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 360863 | Next Difficulty In: 1313 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 22 hours, 22 minutes, and 2 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 47141564727.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -0.94144 [14:36]
thestringpuller !t h b.mine [14:36]
assbot [HAVELOCK:B.MINE] 1D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 7D: 0.20500000 / 0.2054 / 0.20550000 (10 shares, 2.05399999 BTC), 30D: 0.00005214 / 0.00030791 / 0.20550000 (368178 shares, 113.36474897 BTC) [14:36]
thestringpuller !t h b.sell [14:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK:B.SELL] 1D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 7D: 0.07000000 / 0.08499999 / 0.09999998 (2 shares, 0.16999998 BTC), 30D: 0.00000001 / 1.77E-6 / 0.09999998 (374724 shares, 0.66177717 BTC) [14:37]
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thestringpuller asciilifeform: is there a non-derp version of this: http://www.wired.com/2014/12/hacker-lexicon-air-gap/ << i.e. an extension of the trilema air-gap article. [14:52]
thestringpuller the trilema article on practical airgapping is a good start, but a "read more" [14:53]
mike_c "But many companies insist that a network or system is sufficiently air-gapped even if it is only separated from other computers or networks by a software firewall." << uh, not that one. [14:56]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell williamdunne btw, were you going to put bitbet bets in scoopbot ? [14:57]
gribble The operation succeeded. [14:57]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform well obviously. but the problem for hypocrites is : i may at may lesure discuss their affairs in either the nominal terms they put forth or the actual realty involved, and randomly equate one branch with another at any point i feel like. [14:59]
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mircea_popescu the untenability of their position is aka the liar's curse. [14:59]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes from ritholz site : "Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all [15:01]
mircea_popescu civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous. [15:01]
mircea_popescu Leave a Reply You must be logged in to post a comment." [15:01]
mircea_popescu irony crits for some k's. [15:01]
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ben_vulpes he's funny from time to time [15:09]
mircea_popescu i seem to recall the same thing [15:12]
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mircea_popescu "Assuming, as economists usually do in aggregate analysis, that capital enhances the productivity of labor, and labor enhances the productivity of capital, then the efficient reaction to less labor is to have less capital. Investment is the rate of change of the capital stock, so even small reductions in the capital stock may be achieved by large investment reductions for a short period of time. For this reason, invest [15:19]
mircea_popescu ment is expected to decline by a much greater percentage than consumption in the short term, and by the same percentage in the long term. In this view, the investment decline is entirely a reaction to the labor market, and not a cause of the low rates of labor usage." [15:19]
mircea_popescu aka, some countries are just not worth bothering with. the country of africa, the country of north america chief on the list. [15:19]
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asciilifeform https://life.indiegogo.com/fundraisers/a-new-engine-for-my-boat << poor mr o reduced to this ? [15:26]
assbot A new engine for my boat | Indiegogo Life ... ( http://bit.ly/1FCfHPi ) [15:26]
mircea_popescu is that thing covered in ejaculate ? [15:32]
mod6 hahaha [15:33]
mod6 look how rusted the rocker arms are [15:33]
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mircea_popescu in any case, 150 bucks, almost a full bitcoin. and he didn't even have to shove it up his ass. [15:34]
mircea_popescu !h [15:35]
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mircea_popescu https://res.cloudinary.com/indiegogo-media-prod-cld/image/upload/c_fill,h_660,w_660/v1433433357/cnxdchjhzr0omvb0ews1.jpg << somehow i thought he was younger. [15:35]
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BingoBoingo ;;later tell cazalla "sum" of money, not "some" in your last article. << fixed [15:39]
mircea_popescu "[Personal experience: I have taken on a recent high school grad (friend’s son) as an intern in my web development business. He was an above-average student in a Harvard University intro CS class and also completed AP Computer Science in high school plus an additional programming class. His current productivity is about 1/100th of a $25/hour Ukrainian or Filipino contract programmer so any wage+benefit package above [15:40]
mircea_popescu 25 cents per hour would be above the market-clearing price. Yet he can never reach the productivity of the foreign contractors unless he can get substantial work experience.]" [15:40]
mircea_popescu this matches my experience. the average english speaking "civilised world" young adult can pull on his own something between a dime and a quarter per hour's worth. [15:41]
mircea_popescu this doesn't actually cover the cost of maintaining the infrastructure he needs. [15:41]
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ben_vulpes link, mircea_popescu ? [15:49]
mircea_popescu One of the biggest surprises in the book is the importance of federal mortgage loan forgiveness: “This chapter shows how all of these outcomes, and more, may be a direct result of stark incentives created by the FDIC and HAMP programs (hereafter jointly referenced as FH) and their practice of targeting the ratio of housing expenses to borrower income. The FH programs offer modifications on the basis of borrower incom [15:50]
mircea_popescu e reported to the United States Internal Revenue Service. The first section of the chapter shows how the programs resemble government safety net programs, except that the marginal income tax rates from mortgage modification far exceed 100 percent in some instances.” It turned out that a person’s mortgage payments would be reduced by $1.31 for every $1 fall in income. In other words a lower-income American with a mo [15:50]
mircea_popescu rtgage would have more spending power by working fewer hours and/or quitting altogether. Mulligan also notes that as the program was unfavorable to lenders they had a huge incentive to “promote borrower confusion and uncertainty about the disposition of their modification application.” (i.e., the bureaucratic run-around might not have been accidental!) [15:50]
mircea_popescu http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2015/06/01/book-review-the-redistribution-recession/ [15:50]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Book Review: The Redistribution Recession ... ( http://bit.ly/1Gd6Hom ) [15:50]
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BingoBoingo http://cointelegraph.com/news/114481/chinese-exchanges-reject-gavin-andresens-20-mb-block-size-increase [16:31]
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thestringpuller BingoBoingo: the commentary on reddit is bottom of the barrel. [16:37]
BingoBoingo Yeah, but too be expected [16:37]
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thestringpuller http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38os22/chinese_exchanges_reject_gavin_andresens_20_mb/crwqk0r << the only good comment in that thread of poo [16:42]
davout thestringpuller: good one indeed [16:46]
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mircea_popescu awww the butthurt. [17:20]
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mircea_popescu http://www.fredoneverything.net/Commentators.shtml << dude i'm so fucking sick of this inept egalitatianism. [17:33]
mircea_popescu the point isn't that smart people are somehow misguidedly imagining that everyone's smart like them. [17:34]
mircea_popescu the point is that people who aren't like them have no fucking business here. [17:34]
chetty and I thought wasmostly dumb people imaging everyone else was too [17:37]
mircea_popescu that's common enough. [17:38]
mircea_popescu but specifically dregs like [17:38]
mircea_popescu "I often see victims of Commentator’s Disease arguing against the minimum wage on abstract grounds of economic theory. It is what commentators do—bandy abstractions, railing for or against Keynes, assaulting their ideological opponents with pointed phrases. They have never had to do the arithmetic of forty times the minimum wage minus taxes minus bus fare minus rent and gotta pay the cable because it is the only th [17:38]
mircea_popescu ing they have after work. They have never had to choose between the electric bill and a new coat as winter comes on." [17:38]
mircea_popescu dude... who the fuck said x SHOULDNT have to choose between electricity and a coat. [17:38]
mircea_popescu this is what fucking economy is. choice. [17:38]
mircea_popescu and yes, people don't get all they want, and the stupid don't get "basics" whereas the smart don't get "unimportant stuff". [17:39]
mircea_popescu this has more to do with the fact that ipso definitio the preoccupations of the stupid will be banal. they don't have what with to miss things above a coat. [17:39]
mircea_popescu if we're in weepathon mode, how about for every coat some poor kid borne by stupid parents never got, [17:40]
mircea_popescu we count the fifty billion complex mechanical dragonflies rich kids borne by smart parents never got. [17:40]
jurov http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32.7z anyone wanna try it? i should have borrowed alf's ascii art, tho :D [17:41]
chetty well simple fact is raising the min wage isnt going to get that coat anyway, so its a silly argument [17:41]
mircea_popescu i have to choose between fixing X software and Y policy. because the idiots that came before me have made NOT ONE RIGHT THING. [17:41]
mircea_popescu not one. [17:41]
mircea_popescu nothing's correctly made. [17:41]
mircea_popescu jurov has to choose between taking 3 gb out of the 4gb binary or fixing email. [17:41]
jurov sha256sum: 4a62082679875681654a7f4fd5844f5f33bff7a6cbc3ca0c8cefe4a85a8a066f Eulora-June12015-win32.7z [17:41]
jurov 500M in the end [17:41]
mircea_popescu fucking hell, poor idiots and their coats, i hope they never see a coat again and live in antarctica for the rest of their dais. [17:41]
mircea_popescu chetty sure, but whatr insults me here is the pretense that somehow the feelings of the bovine are more important inasmuch as they;re mostly absent. [17:42]
mircea_popescu fuck that. [17:42]
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jurov whet email is broken? [17:43]
jurov *what [17:43]
mircea_popescu all email is broken. [17:43]
jurov everyday snafu [17:44]
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mircea_popescu jurov 500mb is not too bad considering the sourceball is like 160mb [17:44]
jurov fortunately almost all crud was in src/ out/ and mk/ dirs [17:45]
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jurov now, if someone can lend me osx machine... [17:48]
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chetty jurov is the magic man, well doneand thank you [17:50]
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jurov i'm still waiting for independent confirmation [17:50]
mircea_popescu jurov plox make a post on exployt so i can reference it in the future etc ? [17:50]
jurov about the release? [17:51]
mircea_popescu if you need bw support i can host the file on eulora server [17:51]
mircea_popescu yes [17:51]
jurov yes, if it works, pls host it there [17:51]
mircea_popescu one sec [17:51]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: do we just post here for a login? [18:00]
mircea_popescu basically. [18:00]
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thestringpuller what do you need to make one? [18:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 93100 @ 0.00035944 = 33.4639 BTC [+] {3} [18:10]
mircea_popescu i need you to stop trying to go around things as if you're going to maintain some sort of control over the process or something. what all the periphrase and metaconsiderations ? you've seen a dozen people get one through saying the magic words "gimme one" or somesuch. [18:10]
scoopbot_revived Bandits Stick Up Craigslist Bitcoin Seller http://qntra.net/2015/06/bandits-stick-up-craigslist-bitcoin-seller/ [18:10]
mircea_popescu do the same, not likely ot kill ya. [18:10]
mike_c jurov: is that a debug build? [18:16]
jurov yes [18:16]
mircea_popescu why ? [18:17]
mike_c wouldn't run because missing msvcp100d.dll, the debug version of that library. [18:17]
mircea_popescu jurov wouldn't it make sense to just strip the symbols and etc for a release ? [18:17]
scoopbot_revived Eulora for Windows http://explo.yt/post/2015/06/05/Eulora-for-Windows [18:17]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: lets go with "Damien Wayne" [18:18]
jurov ^ mircea_popescu your url. [18:18]
jurov but ofc it will need to be updated [18:18]
mike_c won't it likely also run quite slowly? is it tough to get release building? [18:19]
jurov it ran fine here [18:19]
mike_c you have the debug VC redistributable file :) [18:19]
jurov no i mean the speed [18:20]
mike_c ah [18:21]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller http://dpaste.com/19CPJP7 [18:21]
assbot dpaste: 19CPJP7 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha7EP2 ) [18:21]
mircea_popescu (you pick your own name in game) [18:21]
thestringpuller ah [18:21]
mircea_popescu jurov danke [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 84200 @ 0.00036001 = 30.3128 BTC [+] [18:23]
mircea_popescu in other news, stuff that'll get cazalla sent to prison : http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mbf37krn4p1qkw0kjo1_1280.jpg [18:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w ) [18:24]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo "The dangers of trapping has" [18:25]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 12 @ 0.20427544 = 2.4513 BTC [-] [18:30]
cazalla mircea_popescu, i think it's only illegal if she was urinating on another [18:33]
shinohai http://bit.ly/1Ha8b3w <<< the fount or reddit's knowledge [18:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ha9YWp ) [18:33]
shinohai *of [18:34]
mike_c I feel so close yet so far :) jurov: do you think you can crank out a release version or should I hunt down a debug version of the VC libraries? [18:42]
jurov mike_c i don't know, try with the debug version [18:43]
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kuzetsa this new !verify thing was unexpected, but not too hard to figure out [18:44]
mircea_popescu cazalla oh i c [18:45]
mircea_popescu kuzetsa you here for the eulora ? :D [18:45]
cazalla speaking of eulora, binaries avail yet? [18:46]
trinque what's australia now, alabama of the sea? [18:46]
mircea_popescu yes jurov just made a windows thing [18:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 224450 @ 0.00034931 = 78.4026 BTC [-] {2} [18:46]
cazalla in logs? (still catching up) [18:46]
jurov ..that doesn't work outside msvc10 yet [18:46]
mircea_popescu cazalla apparently it doesn't work 100% yet but hey, won't be long nao [18:47]
kuzetsa no, I play everquest, minecraft, kerbal space program, and various game APKs on my android device but nothing about eulora looks interesting to me :( [18:48]
kuzetsa not my cup of tea [18:48]
mircea_popescu aok [18:49]
cazalla kuzetsa, p99? [18:51]
kuzetsa no, proper everquest (even though it's now run by daybreak games ever since the sony online entertainment studio had all the rights sold) [18:52]
cazalla yeah, i heard about that, my bet is eqn gets shitcanned too [18:52]
cazalla best mmorpg evar, but i can't imagine playing eq post velious tbh [18:53]
kuzetsa loosing out on whatever EQN supposedly brought with it isn't anything I'll miss (hell, I was never invested into such things enough to even know what it is) [18:54]
kuzetsa I'm pretty sure AAs were pre-velious [18:54]
kuzetsa I've got a non-zero amount of AAs on my main [18:54]
cazalla AAs came with PoP [18:54]
cazalla actually might've been luclin [18:55]
kuzetsa I've gotta admit, I never paid attention to the timeline enough to know if planes of power / luclin / velious / etc. etc. etc. came before or after [18:55]
cazalla kunark, velious, luclin, planes of power, frog xpac which was the first dlc (when i quit) [18:56]
kuzetsa nod [18:56]
cazalla i spent 16 hours a day playing that shit for years so.. [18:56]
kuzetsa I did that on starwars galaxies [18:57]
cazalla never played it but i have read that it was great prior to some big patch [18:57]
kuzetsa I started with everquest, but once that came out SWG became my main MMO for 7 years but then they shut it down a while ago so I dunno [18:58]
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kuzetsa I miss it, and that "old republic" MMO is rubbish and almost none of my friends from SWG liked it and neither did I lol [18:58]
cazalla i still have my old eq boxes with the keith parkinson artwork, wouldn't mind getting some of his long ago signed pieces http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/sov.jpg but can't really spring for it at this point [19:00]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaeRyI ) [19:00]
cazalla for the money spent on it, swtor was utter shit [19:00]
kuzetsa lol yeah [19:00]
kuzetsa too much work on game engine design and not enough development into the worldbuidling, gameplay, and storyline [19:00]
kuzetsa it's nothing like SWG [19:01]
cazalla his diablo 2 art is nice too http://www.keithparkinson.com/images/diablo2.png [19:01]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HafacH ) [19:01]
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cazalla kuzetsa, i didn't even reach the level cap in swtor, it was basically an inferior WoW with voice overs [19:02]
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kuzetsa heh [19:02]
jurov mike_c there? looks like i have nondebug build [19:03]
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jurov mike_c or anyone else who has downloaded the win32 package: unpack this in C:EuloraJune2015Eulora [19:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 50687 @ 0.00034781 = 17.6294 BTC [-] {2} [19:09]
jurov http://www.explo.yt/eulora/Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z [19:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HagKeR ) [19:10]
jurov (only binaries, 11MB) [19:11]
trinque jurov: prolly good to post a hash of teh thing [19:11]
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jurov sha256sum 7f02d5a9e0d42422a82b28e1a08ee3765798e75e604082fddac9164def6c4f7a Eulora-June12015-win32nondebug.7z [19:12]
jurov thx trinque [19:12]
trinque sweet [19:13]
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*jurov* PRIVMSG mircea_popescu :sftp jurov@ftp.minigame.bz:50022 does nothing [19:19]
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williamdunne mircea_popescu: Yes, and possibly the curated porn list. I've been busy this week on a rescue mission [19:21]
mircea_popescu kitens ? [19:21]
williamdunne Gay disabled blind orphan paraplegic puppies [19:22]
trinque reminds me of some old flash game from the 90s that involved an amputee dog [19:23]
williamdunne >flash [19:25]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: newz! [19:25]
asciilifeform 1) phuctor now has 'download this key' link [19:26]
trinque williamdunne: 90s were all about flash mang [19:26]
williamdunne While its not 90s, for me it was always Runescape [19:26]
asciilifeform 2) http://nosuchlabs.com/rss but not sure if this can be used in battlefield, because - guess what - werker never marked dates of phuctoring, and hence db schema never had a place for this. ergo the only dates we have are of -date submitted- [19:26]
williamdunne ~2003 [19:26]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1HakgFZ ) [19:26]
asciilifeform presently the rss link displays last 10 (in order added to db in first place, rather than order-of-phuctoring) [19:27]
asciilifeform the whole thing -will- have to be re-written... [19:27]
* asciilifeform fucking hates www programming and anything even remotely connected [19:28]
trinque even hunchentoot? [19:28]
asciilifeform well not quite wd [19:28]
asciilifeform see above [19:28]
asciilifeform trinque: even hunchentoot. the www stack is fundamentally retarded [19:28]
trinque can't argue with that [19:28]
trinque jurov: I have no windoze box to test with, but will be derping with gentoo 64 tomorrow [19:30]
williamdunne I'll have a shot with Windoze tomorrow [19:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 80650 @ 0.00035661 = 28.7606 BTC [+] [19:34]
cazalla mircea_popescu, please to provide me with a login/pass for eulora [19:34]
cazalla jurov, i'll give your windows binaries a whirl in a moment [19:34]
cazalla crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw [19:35]
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shinohai ty asciilifeform for the rss feed, as now I can search easily from my irc client :D [19:35]
asciilifeform shinohai: it may or may not be usable, please read disclaimer [19:35]
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asciilifeform the reason i cannot say for certain, is that i have very little idea of what a typical rss -reader- does with the timestamp [19:36]
asciilifeform and can't presently be arsed to research it [19:36]
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kakobrekla hence rss suicide joke. [19:36]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: ? [19:36]
kakobrekla i thought it was in the bash somewhere [19:37]
funkenstein_ greets - I'm curious what all y'all have to say about moxie's review of gpg [19:37]
funkenstein_ http://www.thoughtcrime.org/blog/gpg-and-me/ [19:38]
assbot Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1Hambua ) [19:38]
kakobrekla anyway, the idea was that Aaron Swartz made suicide precisely because of RSS [19:38]
asciilifeform !s marlinspike [19:38]
assbot 12 results for 'marlinspike' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marlinspike [19:38]
asciilifeform funkenstein_ ^ [19:38]
funkenstein_ ah thanks... *runs to catch up* [19:38]
asciilifeform funkenstein_: short version - mr m is a usg shill [19:39]
funkenstein_ :o [19:39]
trinque til he picked that name on purpose [19:39]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=12-01-2015#975028 yeah. [19:40]
asciilifeform trinque: it's a navalism, like 'mark twain' [19:40]
assbot Logged on 12-01-2015 23:56:21; kakobrekla: whoever responsible for rss should commit suicide. [19:40]
funkenstein_ maybe he saw the future of reddit [19:40]
trinque asciilifeform: yep, sounded like hippie parents to me [19:40]
shinohai lol [19:40]
asciilifeform and naggum then perhaps performed seppuku to atone for xml [19:40]
mircea_popescu motherfucker NOTHING WORKS [19:41]
asciilifeform aha. [19:41]
mircea_popescu open source is an open invitation to waste your life debugging stupid shti [19:42]
asciilifeform aha. [19:42]
mircea_popescu 19:42:04 Error: Connection timed out. [19:42]
asciilifeform mine? [19:42]
mircea_popescu is pureftpd up and listening oin port ? yes. [19:42]
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mircea_popescu is port open in firewall ? yes. [19:42]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: passive mode ? [19:42]
mircea_popescu and what am i to do, go rebuild apache or install alsa or what the fucking shit already [19:43]
asciilifeform ftp by default on many systems expects an idiot back-connect [19:43]
asciilifeform on random (yes) port [19:43]
mircea_popescu forcing passive doesn't do anything [19:43]
asciilifeform would have to sniff packets on both sides and see where, if anywhere, they went. alternatively, set fire to it [19:45]
trinque dwarf fortress tends to come to mind there [19:46]
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trinque you could learn how to play, and it might end up being fun, but wtf bother [19:46]
mircea_popescu yes, because that's what i'm going to do with my time, sniff motherfucking packlets. [19:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: see also earlier (20 min or so) thread re: rss [19:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160449 @ 0.00036022 = 57.7969 BTC [+] {3} [19:47]
assbot Eulora for Windows - serialized delusions ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQUOIQ ) [19:47]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8545 @ 0.00035939 = 3.071 BTC [-] [19:48]
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asciilifeform in other nyooz, [19:49]
asciilifeform http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/B9EAEC825308C0EFCC787F82E9B5F2EEA4775641C49274D12A1EB2B6520F7FD1 [19:49]
assbot Welcome | Phuctor ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQV62f ) [19:49]
asciilifeform ^ non-'magic' [19:50]
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asciilifeform factors 3, 7, 11, 23 [19:51]
cazalla jurov, any idea what this is on the cs-winlibs install? can't find C:Program Files (x86)MSYSmsys1.0etcprofile when installing MSYS integration settings [19:52]
asciilifeform https://pgp.mit.edu/pks/lookup?search=line%40home.com&op=index << and, as always, somebody 'helpfully' uploaded it 'on top of' this fella's genuine key [19:52]
assbot Search results for 'line home com' ... ( http://bit.ly/1HaoEVx ) [19:52]
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cazalla hmm no go, missing MSVCP100D.dll [19:55]
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asciilifeform hm, 'line home com' has -two identical- keys, uploaded on same date, bitwise same [19:57]
assbot Download Microsoft Visual C++ 2010 Redistributable Package (x86) from Official Microsoft Download Center ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQWdPF ) [19:57]
asciilifeform so no sample of undiddled modulus for this key is known. [19:57]
cazalla jurov, just did, same error [19:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this is the second or perhaps third instance thus far that i have found so far of someone who -will- be spoken to using phucked key if anyone ever bothers to speak to him [19:58]
asciilifeform aaand we are now at precisely 40 phucked moduli. [19:59]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform line@home ? [20:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00035398 = 5.6106 BTC [-] [20:00]
mircea_popescu cazalla coming up [20:00]
mircea_popescu cazalla http://dpaste.com/3A2ZYVP [20:03]
assbot dpaste: 3A2ZYVP ... ( http://bit.ly/1Haqe9I ) [20:03]
mircea_popescu crystalspace3d.org is slow as fuck to get cs-win32libs-2.1_003.exe from btw << link ? jurov can then mirror it along with everything else. [20:04]
cazalla jurov problem with what i'm doing or the client? not sure what else i can do here now [20:05]
mircea_popescu for the record, my ftp problem was that someone had the bright idea of allowing port 21, but not port 20. [20:06]
mircea_popescu needless to say... [20:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: earlier link to freshly phucked key [20:11]
asciilifeform kakobrekla: can the rss thing be made to work as expected in the form of a #b-a bot ? or too b0rk3d [20:14]
williamdunne Scoopbot can read any RSS or atom feed [20:18]
kakobrekla as far as i can tell dates are incorrect but the order is correct in your feed ? thats workable. perhaps scoop can cover it. i can too. [20:18]
asciilifeform williamdunne: the dates are entirely unusable. see thread [20:18]
asciilifeform i recall that mircea_popescu asked for a real-time phuctor ticker. [20:19]
asciilifeform hence why i attempted it [20:19]
kakobrekla williamdunne be my guest! [20:20]
williamdunne asciilifeform: Dates aren't involved in Scoop's processes [20:27]
williamdunne Thoroughly ignored by him. [20:27]
williamdunne Uses a persisted Map of URLs to objects. Messages when he sees a new one [20:28]
asciilifeform what determines 'new' ? [20:28]
williamdunne Whether or not the URL is in the map [20:28]
asciilifeform and stores forever ? [20:28]
williamdunne Persisted, yes [20:28]
asciilifeform thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. [20:29]
asciilifeform rss provided no sane way to handle this. [20:29]
williamdunne In this case I may have to make a custom set of rules for Phuctor [20:29]
williamdunne This is not a problem, so long as something changes between first seen and the update [20:29]
williamdunne (title, ideally) [20:29]
asciilifeform it is entirely possible for same key to be 'new' twice in succession. [20:30]
williamdunne Within how long of each other? [20:31]
asciilifeform immediately. [20:31]
williamdunne Well then why does this matter? Scoop shares it once and you see both [20:31]
asciilifeform it doesn't matter. just pointing out that the thing follows literally none of the prescribed assumptions [20:32]
asciilifeform wouldn't want scoopbot to choke on it [20:32]
williamdunne Fair enough, think he'll do fine. Fits in quite well with his existing logic [20:32]
shinohai https://np.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/38mhrh/call_me_inconsiderate_but_this_is_why_i_dont_take/crw6atd [20:34]
assbot luke-jr comments on Call me inconsiderate, but THIS is why I don't take Luke-Jr seriously: He lost the majority of his coins on Mt. Gox when there were signs FOR MONTHS to NOT keep coins there. He lacks the ability to properly gauge situations and look into the future. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jxr94n ) [20:34]
mircea_popescu thing is, it is actually possible for the same phuctor url to be new twice. << it'll be fine im sure. [20:35]
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asciilifeform was just pointing out the braindamage of the whole concept of rss [20:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78850 @ 0.00035104 = 27.6795 BTC [-] [20:37]
asciilifeform (and this is entirely aside from the idiocy of how servers get polled continuously, etc) [20:37]
williamdunne >just using it for safekeeping [20:37]
williamdunne Yes [20:37]
williamdunne RSS is silly [20:37]
williamdunne With Scoop I worked out a structure that fixes some of the issues [20:37]
williamdunne i.e Dates [20:37]
williamdunne Re: polling, what would you suggest as the alternative? Websockets? [20:38]
asciilifeform williamdunne: no [20:38]
asciilifeform williamdunne: a proper internet [20:38]
asciilifeform as in, we take everything post-1990 or so and shoot it. then start over. [20:39]
williamdunne I'll get working on it on Monday [20:39]
williamdunne ;) [20:39]
asciilifeform l0l [20:39]
williamdunne Anyhow, what in particular is wrong with it? While there is a host of derpy technologies I'm quite fond of some things - like WebSockets [20:42]
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asciilifeform williamdunne: fundamentally - the idiot polling [20:42]
asciilifeform all else follows from this. [20:42]
williamdunne Isn't that the point of WebSockets, getting rid of derpy polling? [20:43]
williamdunne No moar ajax polling [20:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34271 @ 0.00034316 = 11.7604 BTC [-] {2} [20:45]
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williamdunne How does one go about securing a Eurola account? [21:15]
cazalla and a long and drawn out process [21:17]
mircea_popescu secureing from what ? [21:17]
williamdunne Acquiring, in other words [21:17]
williamdunne Registering [21:17]
mircea_popescu ah, ima get you one, a sec. [21:17]
cazalla williamdunne cut the foreplay and just ask [21:18]
williamdunne cazalla: foreplay is half the fun [21:19]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Thanks MP [21:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 124000 @ 0.00033561 = 41.6156 BTC [-] [21:19]
mircea_popescu williamdunne http://dpaste.com/23J9SCM [21:20]
assbot dpaste: 23J9SCM ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt8qZb ) [21:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63650 @ 0.00033561 = 21.3616 BTC [-] [21:23]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Correct [21:24]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28350 @ 0.00034392 = 9.7501 BTC [+] {2} [21:25]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Oh wait I take it back, thats me derping. Message comes up blank [21:25]
* asciilifeform just woke up to the fact that he was a fool when originally wrote phuctor. a phuctored modulus must fragment into factors, each of which is in turn subject to all future attempts at phuctoring [21:44]
asciilifeform (if composite per rabin-miller) [21:44]
* williamdunne whoosh [21:45]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu ^^^^^^ [21:45]
asciilifeform as it is, the gigantic turds yielded by the current gcd finds will not break apart [21:45]
asciilifeform the mechanics of a correct phuctor are, roughly: thing keeps track of keys, rsa moduli within, as existing phuctor does; but instead of flagging 'phuctored' moduli, we keep table of known factors (associated with respective unknowns, which, in turn, may be yet-unphuctored moduli -or- fragments previously created by successful phuctorings) [21:47]
asciilifeform likewise, each unknown is stamped with a date of last gcd-ing, as well as sha512 of the mass product at the time this was done. [21:48]
* asciilifeform wanders off to contemplate this [21:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 161000 @ 0.00035452 = 57.0777 BTC [+] {4} [21:55]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah that sounds like a good idea [21:57]
decimation it would be nice to click on '3' and call up all the moduli which are factored by '3' [21:57]
decimation williamdunne: websockets are 'tardation on top of tardation [21:58]
williamdunne What is particularly tarded about WS? [22:01]
* williamdunne still doesn't get it [22:01]
decimation the shortcomings of turning a fundamentally broadcast technology into a 'virtual channel' [22:02]
decimation inside of which you place another virtual channel [22:02]
williamdunne While with that description it does sound a bit tarded, in practise I've found them to work very well [22:03]
decimation sure, so do 1950's era pickups in cuba [22:03]
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trinque williamdunne: on the one hand there's a superficial "did I make it do something, and did it 'work'" [22:04]
trinque and on the other there's considering the entire stack that got you to that point, and whether that made any sense [22:04]
trinque first off the thing's not a socket; iirc it throws you wads o' data piecemeal [22:04]
trinque you can't stream arbitrary binary data over it [22:04]
trinque (maybe I'm wrong? don't think so) [22:04]
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trinque I mean to be specific it's a wrapper around a socket with certain assumptions on how it'll be used; it doesn't just give you a raw unix socket and say "go at it" [22:06]
trinque apparently in some newer version of the standard it has a binary streaming thing [22:08]
williamdunne Would there be any particular benefit to that in its intended usage? JSON/MsgPack/whatever all work fine with anything I can imagine being necessary on the web [22:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 65600 @ 0.00033557 = 22.0134 BTC [-] {2} [22:08]
trinque williamdunne: what do you want to do with it? [22:09]
williamdunne Streaming basic pricing data, and submitting/receiving bets are the two I have used it for [22:10]
trinque oh, you wanted bitbet to provide a websocket? [22:10]
williamdunne Fairly simplistic stuff [22:10]
williamdunne Nope [22:10]
williamdunne Unrelated [22:10]
trinque ah k [22:10]
trinque so adding a bunch of persistent connections is going to increase overhead [22:10]
williamdunne But if there were best happening more than every second, sure that'd be a great feature to see [22:10]
williamdunne Overhead vs the AJAX method? I'd bet otherwise [22:11]
trinque no need to bet. [22:11]
trinque it depends on what users are doing [22:11]
williamdunne Aha [22:11]
trinque on the one hand, anyone with the site open in a tab is going to be a connection your server will have open [22:11]
trinque on the ajax side, you may have tons of unnecessary polling [22:12]
trinque so you would have to actually try both and see based on your own situation which is more expensive [22:12]
trinque I think nginx does pretty well handling a bunch of idle websocket connections [22:12]
trinque and can hand them off to some backend nicely [22:13]
williamdunne Very true, but anything where the data is somewhat frequent I reckon would be better off in WS [22:13]
williamdunne Yes, I was using Phoenix which handles it very well [22:13]
trinque there are other things to consider [22:13]
trinque browsers can pipeline requests through the same connection [22:13]
trinque https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_pipelining [22:13]
assbot HTTP pipelining - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1eU5Kap ) [22:13]
trinque so the ajax vs ws thing may be more similar than it appears [22:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144984 @ 0.00035944 = 52.113 BTC [+] {4} [22:15]
trinque "keep-alive" is the thing to look into there [22:17]
williamdunne Yeah, server send events or summin [22:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52650 @ 0.00036084 = 18.9982 BTC [+] [22:23]
trinque williamdunne: I don't even mean that, just that polling might not look much different load-wise from the WS doing its thing [22:24]
trinque that said I've used websockets; the whole browser's shit, subset of which WS are shit [22:24]
trinque lol [22:24]
trinque williamdunne: and to elaborate on the reason why, the browser was a nightmarish wad of complexity before WS [22:28]
trinque WS just bolt another huge attack surface to the thing [22:28]
trinque it would not blow my mind if there are session hijacking hax to be found within, so on [22:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66200 @ 0.00035164 = 23.2786 BTC [+] {2} [23:10]
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cazalla !up referredbyloper [23:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15850 @ 0.00036149 = 5.7296 BTC [+] {2} [23:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39446 @ 0.00035062 = 13.8306 BTC [-] [23:27]
trinque !s referredbyloper [23:29]
assbot 25 results for 'referredbyloper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=referredbyloper [23:29]
trinque cazalla: pretty sure that's a bot which only spams one link [23:30]
cazalla ah ok, i assumed it might be someone coming here from asciilifeform's site in the same manner qntra directs people here [23:31]
trinque yep guy's clearly trying to make it look so [23:31]
referredbyloper hey no, i'm not spam bot :D [23:33]
referredbyloper just don't want to go through reg and things [23:33]
referredbyloper trading most of the day, an find this channel realy amusing [23:34]
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trinque referredbyloper: well good; you weren't showing any signs of life! [23:34]
trinque and how long does it take to register anywya [23:35]
cazalla referredbyloper, you think i'm funny, i amuse you? [23:36]
referredbyloper yes, drunken bitching about bad marriage and things [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30100 @ 0.00034811 = 10.4781 BTC [-] {2} [23:36]
trinque brutal [23:37]
trinque referredbyloper: register so he can negrate you [23:37]
cazalla lol harsh [23:37]
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asciilifeform in other news, http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/641F87E0A992064EB7CD91BC6CC7203AD8D83FFABA7C6724A698A23F61C0C1E8 [23:55]
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asciilifeform (williamdunne? was there a scoopbot thing under testing?) [23:55]
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