Forum logs for 05 Jul 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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cazalla Vexual, having some whiskey on a sunday eh? [00:36]
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cazalla !up Vexual [00:39]
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cazalla i was at woolies yesterday arvo and they have an adjoining bottlo to it and i did this http://i.imgur.com/gAnUmJ2.gif [00:41]
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cazalla lol yeah but i was in the belly of the beast [00:44]
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cazalla !up Vexual [01:09]
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cazalla did ya go smoke some soapbar or something [01:09]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=SOAP+BAR | SOAP BAR. Popular "hashish" found in the UK. soap bars weighing 9oz / 250 grams, on average contain 1/3 oz / 10 grams of flower / resin and up to 200 grams ... [01:10]
cazalla Vexual, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKceQT0Scg4 [01:13]
assbot 06 Goldie Lookin Chain - Soap Bar - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1RZ3086 ) [01:13]
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mats king kuta [01:18]
mats kunta* [01:19]
mats https://youtu.be/hRK7PVJFbS8 << [01:27]
assbot Kendrick Lamar - King Kunta - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CifIx2 ) [01:27]
asciilifeform node still stuck at 363736. [01:38]
asciilifeform it's '-connect'ed to mircea_popescu's [01:39]
asciilifeform NO [01:39]
mats lol. [01:39]
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mod6 !up Vexual [01:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15615 @ 0.00054157 = 8.4566 BTC [-] [01:43]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu public node on dulap. [01:47]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:47]
asciilifeform to nobody's surprise, firmly wedged [01:49]
asciilifeform (and yes, it '-addnode's mircea_popescu's. so theoretically, could unwedge. but no) [01:49]
mod6 295k+ [01:51]
asciilifeform no 'reorgs', nothing [01:55]
asciilifeform blocks just not happening. [01:55]
asciilifeform 8 peer connections [01:55]
asciilifeform mempool garbage by the megatonne, just like my earlier node [02:00]
asciilifeform but nothing remotely suggesting that a block of any description tried to appaer. [02:00]
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mod6 so asciilifeform you're just stuck on 363734 even though you're seeding via irc again ? [02:04]
asciilifeform no irc!!!! [02:04]
asciilifeform read the code plz. [02:04]
mod6 oh your just using addnode? or what? [02:05]
asciilifeform 1) it's 363736 [02:05]
asciilifeform 2) it addnode-s mircea_popescu's box and from there gets maxint seeds [02:05]
asciilifeform none of which undertake to supply so much as one block [02:05]
asciilifeform no sign of attempted 'reorgs', nothing but churning mempool shit [02:05]
mod6 ok thanks for clairifying for me [02:05]
asciilifeform this is running a classic 'stator' [02:06]
gernika I think I'm seeing the same: ERROR: AcceptToMemoryPool() : ConnectInputs failed ec7d42baa3 [02:06]
asciilifeform just like my first sync-with-mircea_popescu experiment box [02:06]
mod6 classic stator, i.e. no dump/eat block [02:07]
mod6 !up Vexual [02:07]
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asciilifeform aha [02:07]
asciilifeform can rebuild with it, but what is there for it to eat ? [02:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39747 @ 0.00054929 = 21.8326 BTC [+] {2} [02:08]
asciilifeform 'i learned that... they don't recycle pigeons.' (tm) (r) ('red meat') [02:18]
mod6 gernika: what version are you running? what's your current block height, 363897? [02:18]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187601 << ! [02:22]
assbot Logged on 04-07-2015 23:07:05; danielpbarron: 71.232.150.212 port 8139 is a fully synched 0.5.3.1~ node [02:22]
asciilifeform ;;later tell danielpbarron wouldja mind dumpblock-ing a few blx at the wedgepoint ? ty [02:23]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:23]
gernika mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 [02:25]
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asciilifeform my brother owns a coupla GB in floppies in his house [02:27]
asciilifeform mostly readable last anybody's tried, even. [02:28]
asciilifeform w4r3z [02:31]
asciilifeform what else [02:32]
asciilifeform 0 [02:32]
mod6 168`000, weird! [02:32]
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mod6 <+gernika> mod6 stator with mods for OpenBSD. Blockheight=168000 << if it's a problem in block 168`001, i'm sure we hit this problem in february. but it should be resolved with openssl 1.0.1g. [02:35]
mod6 im looking for the exact txid we hit.. it's somewhere in the log im sure. [02:35]
mod6 you are using ssl 1.0.1g with stator right? [02:36]
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gernika mod6: I am indeed using 1.0.1g [02:38]
mod6 huh. this is the error we got, different txid and different error, but still, ~weird~: log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-02-2015#1007102 [02:40]
mod6 bah: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007102 [02:40]
assbot Logged on 05-02-2015 00:36:21; mod6: seems to be: 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed ... invalid block=0000000000000a40136b height=168001 [02:40]
mod6 speaking of compiling stator on openssl, i gave it a try today but hit this: http://dpaste.com/0WRAK16.txt [02:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1G0zgki ) [02:41]
mod6 did you see the same? [02:41]
gernika mod6: I'll check and make sure 1.0.1g was actually linked against tomorrow. I can say that it was built and copied to ./ourlibs. [02:42]
mod6 ok [02:43]
mod6 oh i just solved my own problem. derp. [02:43]
mod6 openbsd requires gmake to be in the stator.sh, not make. [02:43]
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gernika mod6: yeah I ran into that. Put it in my patch to stator.sh. Still need to go through the process of signing everything. [02:45]
mod6 no prob, thanks! [02:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform mmmyeah [02:45]
mod6 cc1plus: out of memory allocating 46376 bytes after a total of 0 bytes << lol [02:45]
mircea_popescu mod6 dump the block ? [02:45]
gernika mod6: had to run as root to get around openbsd memory limits on normal user accounts. There are other ways. [02:45]
mod6 mircea_popescu: (this is compiling stator on openbsd) [02:46]
mod6 gernika: yeah, just did `su`... [02:46]
mircea_popescu mod6 i recall you were plagued by this 168k blessing [02:46]
mircea_popescu before [02:46]
mod6 stator on openbsd did build, yet this: http://dpaste.com/0S8R7Z1.txt [02:47]
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mod6 here's the linking bit: http://dpaste.com/0AYS9MB.txt [02:49]
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mod6 mircea_popescu: yeah, we totally were. but it seems this time its a different error and a different txid! [02:49]
mircea_popescu the lulz and the win of our times ;/ [02:50]
gernika mod6: "There is no dynamic segment in this file." when I run the above command [02:50]
mod6 gernika: it might be helpful to patch in the dump block so we can examine your block(s) 168`000 & 168`001 and see what's going on there. [02:50]
mod6 gernika: hmm. weird. i might hvae screwed something up in there. [02:50]
gernika k. will see if I can dig them up on the mailing list [02:50]
gernika got to hit the hay [02:50]
mod6 yeah me too. [02:51]
mod6 i'll try again with obsd again tomorrow. [02:52]
mod6 <+mircea_popescu> the lulz and the win of our times ;/ << aint this the truth [02:52]
mircea_popescu http://blog.ircmaxell.com/2015/03/security-issue-combining-bcrypt-with.html << this is pretty great [02:53]
assbot ircmaxell's blog: Security Issue: Combining Bcrypt With Other Hash Functions ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2RdUm ) [02:53]
mircea_popescu (via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr ) [02:53]
assbot fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2Rnv7 ) [02:53]
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mircea_popescu (via fluffypony who incidentally made the article i was asking for a month ago, but omitted to link it. here : https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/36bgxt/whats_your_opinion_about_altcoins/crcz6rr ) [03:08]
assbot fluffyponyza comments on What's Your Opinion About Altcoins? ... ( http://bit.ly/1M2U5k7 ) [03:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00054293 = 9.8813 BTC [-] [03:34]
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mircea_popescu and in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/954a367723261183ce9a87f4c0eeb41b/tumblr_mkyovcTihG1s5vfv7o1_1280.jpg [03:58]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GZgY3I ) [03:58]
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mircea_popescu "20. Notice the masochistic tendency of leftist tactics. Leftists protest by lying down in front of vehicles, they intentionally provoke police or racists to abuse them, etc. These tactics may often be effective, but many leftists use them not as a means to an end but because they PREFER masochistic tactics. Self-hatred is a leftist trait." [04:08]
mircea_popescu quite. being a libertard is very much a SEXUAL behaviour. [04:08]
mircea_popescu essentially onanism gone wild. [04:08]
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mircea_popescu jurov 8242 s.qntra pushed. [04:54]
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scoopbot_revived Qntra (S.QNTR) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/qntra-sqntr-june-2015-statement/ [05:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00054681 = 2.6247 BTC [+] [05:11]
mircea_popescu http://www.etalabs.net/compare_libcs.html << check out glibc beating the shit out of everyone @strlen and strchr [05:14]
assbot Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1M3fslm ) [05:14]
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trinque ^ gutting docker from it. [05:21]
trinque deedbot- is the one to use though [05:22]
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mircea_popescu heh check it out, mark karpeles idling in #musl. [05:26]
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mircea_popescu "In short, the “work in progress” has actually produced results. " http://www.zdnet.com/article/windows-update-versus-ubuntu-update/ [05:48]
assbot Windows Update versus Ubuntu Update | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1dFx7Ud ) [05:48]
mircea_popescu apologiez for linking to the retarded, but im trying to bother asciilifeform [05:48]
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mircea_popescu "UO is very much a view into the world that could have been, if WOW hadn't come along and MMORPGs became driven by addiction mechanics instead of depth. (I do not necessarily mean that as a perjorative... I take my own hits on the bong of grind-based (J/W/T)RPGs sometimes. But it's a fair description.)" [06:35]
mircea_popescu aka, the world that could have been if we focused on the intelligent rather than on the fungal mass. mkay. [06:35]
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kakobrekla jurov no ac? [16:40]
kakobrekla love heat then. [16:40]
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mircea_popescu some places aren't really livable w/o it [16:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform eventually reorg succeeds. [16:41]
decimation jurov: why hate ac? [16:42]
mircea_popescu i bet you it's because all he had were cheapo units that always demoisturize to a certain % as result of their function, rather than actually CONDITION the air [16:42]
mircea_popescu ie, put it out at a specified tem and humidity. [16:42]
jurov it's seldom used here, so everywhere there's only that which just cools and recirculates bad air [16:43]
jurov and everyone is setting them too cool, am getting headaches of that [16:43]
decimation like miasma bad air? [16:44]
mircea_popescu airplane air heh [16:44]
jurov lol don't mention airplanes. last time i was sitting 10hrs in one i wanted to die [16:44]
mircea_popescu bring girlies along next time. or, you know... boygirlies i guess. [16:45]
mircea_popescu play tit-tag. [16:45]
jurov aha [16:45]
decimation airplane air is typically very dry http://www.askthepilot.com/questionanswers/cabin-air-quality/ " At around 12 percent humidity, it is drier than you will find in most deserts. This is chiefly a by-product of cruising at high-altitudes, where moisture content is somewhere between low and nonexistent." [16:46]
assbot The truth about cabin air ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJIuaI ) [16:46]
mircea_popescu i had no idea when i was young i'll live in such gender role confusion times. [16:46]
decimation interesting: "The Boeing 787 has the healthiest air of any commercial plane, thanks to filters with an efficiency of 99.97 percent. Humidity too is substantially higher. The plane?s all-composite structure is less susceptible to condensation, and a unique circulation system pumps dry air through the lining between the cabin walls and exterior skin." [16:48]
jurov yea we were supposed to have warp drive and mind upload by 2010 [16:48]
decimation having a non-metal skin would probably reduce condensation [16:48]
jurov but gender confusdion? never!!!1 [16:48]
mircea_popescu srsly. [16:48]
decimation I would settle for a manned expedition to juipter [16:49]
mircea_popescu i was not told about this when we joined "the west" in 1990! [16:49]
mircea_popescu it literally was, "play along for 20-30 years, you get mind uploads ands warp drives" [16:49]
mircea_popescu WHERE THE FUCK ARE MY MIND WARPS!!1 [16:49]
mircea_popescu o shit. [16:49]
mircea_popescu dude! [16:49]
trinque you got warped minds instead! [16:49]
mircea_popescu fucking shit. i bet you the whole thing runs on c++ and nobody did any bounds checking. [16:50]
mircea_popescu "o mp, it has much faster string operations". fuck you. [16:50]
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mod6 it checks 71 times! [16:57]
mircea_popescu huh ? [16:58]
mod6 oh was just laughing about that link last night: The loops basically iterate 72 times << 72 i guess. heh [16:58]
mircea_popescu oh. well they have to cause 72 bytes max lol [16:59]
mircea_popescu but yea. [16:59]
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scoopbot_revived French TV Venture CANAL+ Hacked, Suppresses News with DMCA http://qntra.net/2015/07/french-tv-venture-canal-hacked-suppresses-news-with-dmca/ [17:04]
mircea_popescu kik [17:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2550 @ 0.000534 = 1.3617 BTC [-] [17:05]
mircea_popescu what the fuck is wrong with french speakers, they're so enamoured with this denial through legal process bs ? [17:05]
mircea_popescu yo froggers : you don't have any "right to be forgotten", you don't get to abuse dmca out of fucking canada, and in general stfu. [17:05]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust hdbuck [17:07]
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mircea_popescu !rate hdbuck 1 Latest qntra editor [17:08]
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williamdunne danielpbarron: Twitter's URL shortening is unpredictable. Basically it just checks if it can fit in 140 characters pre-shortening and trims what won't [17:10]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo contributor eh ? [17:11]
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mircea_popescu there. [17:11]
BingoBoingo July starting out as good month. [17:12]
BingoBoingo Bitcoin "Core" sinking, true miner seekrit client existence proven, Frogs ignoring law again [17:13]
williamdunne Price going up doesn't hurt [17:14]
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ben_vulpes ;;ticker [17:15]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 271.49, Best ask: 271.52, Bid-ask spread: 0.03000, Last trade: 271.53, 24 hour volume: 42989.06339824, 24 hour low: 256.88, 24 hour high: 275.88, 24 hour vwap: None [17:15]
ben_vulpes hooer [17:15]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo mmmyeah, remember a year or so ago when i was like "dude gtfo, nobody is using bitcoin pseudocore for any purpose" and the whole "community" of "experts" in their own dreams was liek "omfg mp spreading fuds and what does he know anyway!!1" [17:19]
mircea_popescu o hey, 270. going to 300 is it. [17:20]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market buttchina [17:20]
gribble BTCChina BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 270.823599, Best ask: 271.316565, Bid-ask spread: 0.49297, Last trade: 271.316565, 24 hour volume: 28926.99150000, 24 hour low: 255.3435, 24 hour high: 274.474125, 24 hour vwap: 262.975360513 [17:20]
mircea_popescu quoth php manual : "?php /* * Makes the value of "result" congruent to "value1" modulo " value2"." [17:21]
mircea_popescu dude i had no fucking idea number theory and geometry merged. [17:21]
mircea_popescu how the fuck are numbers going to be congruent to anything. [17:22]
BingoBoingo Wasn't there some Jewish thing where numbers had location or some shit. [17:26]
mircea_popescu kaballa ? [17:26]
BingoBoingo Yeah, that stuff Madonna was into [17:27]
mircea_popescu aha [17:29]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: in engl. numbertheory books, 'congruence' is the predicate with the 'triple equals sign', ≡ [17:40]
asciilifeform http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Congruence.html [17:40]
assbot Congruence -- from Wolfram MathWorld ... ( http://bit.ly/1NGIXKh ) [17:40]
mircea_popescu "exactly identical" ? [17:40]
asciilifeform 'congruent modulo m' [17:40]
mircea_popescu oh wow [17:40]
mircea_popescu i had nfi. [17:40]
asciilifeform whatddaya call it in ro [17:41]
mircea_popescu i like bitching here. i learn things. [17:41]
asciilifeform in ru, the numbers are 'сравнимы по модулю' [17:42]
asciilifeform (comparable on modulus) [17:42]
mircea_popescu "egal cu X modulo Y" [17:42]
asciilifeform aha so like ru. [17:42]
mircea_popescu tho apparently the english usage has been spreading. [17:42]
mircea_popescu tbh it's not a bad innovation [17:43]
asciilifeform generally, barring pathological cases, shorter -> better in maths notation [17:43]
mircea_popescu it does have significant similarities with actual congruence, so it's correcrtly oriented intuitively, and a word is prolly needed [17:43]
mircea_popescu yeah. [17:43]
asciilifeform aha. [17:43]
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mircea_popescu i just throw severe exceptions when reading math with unexpected words in it, for obvious reasons. [17:44]
asciilifeform what kind of reader ~doesn't~ throw exceptions when encountering undefined symbol [17:45]
mircea_popescu the reddit reader. [17:45]
asciilifeform in other nyooz, 363954 on dulap [17:45]
asciilifeform 363736 on local box -connect-ed to mircea_popescu-node [17:45]
mircea_popescu it is, in fact, the one difference i see. there are the people who, when confronted with an unexpected symbol, DREAM UP a story involving it. then there are the people who fling the text across the room. [17:45]
asciilifeform are there multiple forklets ? [17:46]
asciilifeform anything peculiar at 363954 ? [17:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i have no idea how you'd have stopped at 54. [17:46]
asciilifeform stalled for a few hrs now [17:46]
mircea_popescu ;;bc,stats [17:46]
gribble Current Blocks: 363989 | Current Difficulty: 4.940201493122746E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 364895 | Next Difficulty In: 906 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, 57 minutes, and 36 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [17:46]
mircea_popescu i dun think there's another fork. [17:46]
mats buttcoins rise again [17:47]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: what's the height of your node ? [17:47]
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mircea_popescu which one ? [17:48]
mircea_popescu dulap [17:48]
mircea_popescu the one i published is gonna stay at the place it is for i wanna look at this fork more. [17:48]
asciilifeform aha that one [17:48]
asciilifeform ok [17:48]
mircea_popescu it hurts nothing doing this, imo. [17:48]
asciilifeform i have a snapshot btw [17:48]
mircea_popescu ie, it still does what it was meant to do (publish the old blocks) and it keeps a valuable datapoint for the future. [17:48]
asciilifeform in case anyone needs it for something [17:48]
mircea_popescu good. [17:48]
asciilifeform it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer [17:49]
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mircea_popescu right. [17:49]
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mats with all this going on, are you making progress on the cardano? [17:50]
asciilifeform mats: if you are interested in cardano, take the time to read this month's broadcast. [17:50]
asciilifeform mats: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-june-2015-statement [17:50]
assbot No Such lAbs (S.NSA), June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LR83sq ) [17:50]
asciilifeform (it is always found on mircea_popescu's www) [17:50]
mats alright [17:50]
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scoopbot_revived Here's how you circumvent those draconianly stupid minimum wage laws. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/05/heres-how-you-circumvent-those-draconianly-stupid-minimum-wage-laws/ [18:14]
punkman http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/06/world/europe/greek-referendum-debt-crisis-vote.html [18:14]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1LRb1gx ) [18:14]
pete_dushenski greeks -reject- ?! [18:15]
pete_dushenski "no moar austerity, we have our dignity" [18:16]
punkman guess if your bank account is empty you don't care much about capital controls [18:16]
pete_dushenski "we deserve it because our great^100-parents were useful and smart and had slaves and culture and everything" [18:17]
pete_dushenski and if you've never used plastic, who cares that it's now limited in use [18:17]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188325 << o hey cool. [18:20]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 17:25:22; kakobrekla: dunno if anyone particularity cares here, but you can now trade commodities (oil, food..), indices (SP500, DOW...) and bezzlestocks (apple, google..) with bitcoin on bit4x [18:20]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works, [18:21]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla can we has tickers ? [18:22]
williamdunne kakobrekla: is bit4x profitable? [18:23]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: I'd assume like a standard CFD brokerage but they hedge the bitcoins to USD also [18:23]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: now that'd be neat. [18:23]
mircea_popescu yeah srsly. [18:23]
mircea_popescu hourly and large trade. [18:23]
pete_dushenski start pricing assets in something other than, as you said, zimbabwean pula [18:24]
pete_dushenski particularly the hard assets like oil, food, etc. [18:24]
mircea_popescu yeh [18:24]
mircea_popescu we kick the "btc balance bot" thing in gear, next thing you know i can sit here and go [18:25]
mircea_popescu !buy C.WTI 185 && $pay ^ [18:25]
mircea_popescu and end up with 1.8mn barrels o' oil. [18:26]
pete_dushenski hehe [18:26]
pete_dushenski that's so cool it's almost evil. [18:26]
mircea_popescu isn't it ? [18:26]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla show yourself! [18:26]
pete_dushenski "on Saturday, China's top brokerages pledged to collectively buy at least 120 billion yuan ($19.3 billion) of shares to help steady the market, and would not sell holdings as long as the Shanghai Composite Index remained below 4,500." [18:27]
pete_dushenski "Some analysts suggest total margin lending, both formal and informal, could add up to around 4 trillion yuan." [18:27]
pete_dushenski "The government is anxiously awaiting the market opening on Monday to see if the new measures will halt a 30 percent plunge in the last three weeks," [18:28]
mircea_popescu no it won't. [18:28]
pete_dushenski not a fucking chance. [18:28]
mircea_popescu ten-twenty years of building tin towns for tin women are catching up with them [18:28]
mircea_popescu so much wastage hidden under the rug by the "communist party" that... well... [18:28]
pete_dushenski the graph of the shanghai index is pointier than madonna's tits. [18:28]
williamdunne The fact that they're having to do it, demonstrates the weakness of the markets and should surely inspire less confidence! Seems stoopid [18:29]
mircea_popescu curious if this sends the chinese on a "democratizing" kick to texas. [18:29]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: well, it IS stupid. also phree money for traders. [18:29]
williamdunne pete_dushenski: Stoopid is all over the shop [18:30]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: what would that look like in your mind ? [18:30]
mircea_popescu what ? [18:31]
trinque mircea_popescu: btw deedbot.org is on a box that'll happily serve up the goods if referenced by another cname [18:32]
kakobrekla yeah i can add some sort of ticker-on-demand at some point. [18:32]
trinque moved the hosting from s3 to my own nginx [18:32]
trinque got the fucker in a state where it'll be less of a pain in the arse to work on in the future [18:33]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: i guess you just meant chinese invading 'merica ? [18:33]
trinque fancy one-script deploy and errethang [18:33]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: cool beans. [18:33]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla how about you do this specifically : a) make assbot make an hourly report with prices and volumes for each traded commodity ; b) make assbot spot a line trade for each time trade in a commodity goes > 100 btc ; c) make assbot keep a wallet for every person in l2 ; d) allow me to order buys and sells on bit4x via assbot, just gives me a hash to unpack like rating works now. [18:33]
mircea_popescu and how about you do all this this week. i know i would trade on this system [18:33]
mircea_popescu and i bet you i would not be the only one. [18:34]
williamdunne I'd be an infrequent user [18:34]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski ah that. yes, like this always happens : chinese navy gets ordered to camp out between galveston and florida keys, us navy gets warned to stay the fuck out of their way. what are they going to do, fight ? the us is not fight worthy. [18:35]
mircea_popescu and next thing you know it chinese soldiers are on the ground looking to arrest obama to take him before miloshevich's tribunal [18:35]
mircea_popescu and to protect the citizens of baltimore from the criminal "federal government" with its long list of human rights abuses. [18:35]
trinque that recent chinese assessment of USian human rights was pretty lulzy [18:36]
williamdunne trinque: Source? [18:36]
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mircea_popescu kakobrekla oh and e) have it deedbot a statement gpg'd to the owner's key each month, listing their assets. [18:37]
trinque williamdunne: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2015-06/26/c_134357934.htm [18:37]
kakobrekla right now there are more urgent things on the plate, once api is working as id like we can do something like dat. until then you can run the platform with wine. [18:37]
assbot Full text of Human Rights Record of the United States in 2014 - Xinhua | English.news.cn [18:37]
mircea_popescu gotta serve the customer kako. [18:37]
mircea_popescu but anyway, i dun think the need for this will go away, so. take your time. [18:38]
williamdunne trinque: Cheers [18:38]
trinque williamdunne: "and you X negroes" more or less [18:38]
kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188539 < feel free to try the demo [18:39]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 21:17:26; pete_dushenski: kakobrekla : sounds kinda similar to bitbet propositions. i'd be interested to learn more about how this works, [18:39]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: two outcomes from u.s. citizen perspective : a) "all hail the chinese, our lords and saviours" leading into much cock sucking, or b) "git off our turf yellow niggers !" leading into much guerilla warfare a la afghanistan [18:39]
trinque gonna be B [18:39]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski dude gtfo, there is no b. [18:39]
mircea_popescu what b ? [18:39]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: will look into it. thx ! [18:40]
trinque I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation [18:40]
mircea_popescu they're currently welcoming the rights of transsexuals and the obsese. what b? [18:40]
trinque big country, still [18:40]
pete_dushenski ^ [18:40]
pete_dushenski huge country [18:40]
mircea_popescu yeah, im sure there's gonna be some guerilla. [18:40]
mircea_popescu guess what ? there's some guerilla in the ukraine too. [18:40]
mircea_popescu who ever interviews them ? [18:40]
trinque oh yeah, not saying it'll *matter* [18:40]
mircea_popescu well ok then. [18:40]
pete_dushenski even 300 mn fat tards leaves, what, 30 mn fighters ? [18:40]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski you're off your rocker [18:40]
mircea_popescu there are not 100k people able to fight a war in the us currently. [18:41]
pete_dushenski so there's 80k, that's a lotta guerillas [18:41]
mircea_popescu war means, i fear i have to remind, spending the next 5 years without a woman eating your belt and shitting in a hole you dug yourself. [18:41]
ben_vulpes trinque: ain't gonna be b. [18:41]
mircea_popescu 80k is not a lot of mobsters. [18:41]
mircea_popescu what lot of guerilla. [18:41]
trinque ben_vulpes: you people never leave the cities, do you? [18:41]
trinque there are still rednecks with assloads of weaponry [18:42]
trinque whether they'll amount to anything, sure [18:42]
trinque but people will get shot [18:42]
pete_dushenski 80k suicide bombers ? [18:42]
mircea_popescu trinque dude, the gritted dissent of the peasantry was never a notable historical fact [18:42]
mircea_popescu which is why it was never recorded. [18:42]
trinque I just expect shitty times in between now and then, whenever then is [18:42]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski right. except atm those people whio would suicide bomb hate obama more than the chinese [18:42]
mircea_popescu because inept governance has managed to alienate all the people who matter to cater to the people who vote. [18:42]
trinque mircea_popescu: but they hate obama mostly because they're having the reaction to "strange" you've noted [18:43]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: anyways, not like i'm defending the toughness of the americans, i'm just saying that b exists, not same as it being probable [18:43]
trinque not for any rational reason [18:43]
trinque he's just black and smiles too much [18:43]
mircea_popescu i very much doubt this. [18:43]
ben_vulpes trinque: the rednecks will be the reason china gets involved. [18:43]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: how so ? [18:43]
ben_vulpes texas needs either zetas or chinks to hold its border to the north. [18:44]
ben_vulpes and china's the only one of those two groups today with ships and ship-launched rockets with significant distance capabilities. [18:44]
mircea_popescu I can see no way in hell the south would deal with a chinese occupation << they seem to be dealing with a northern occupation just fine. [18:44]
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BingoBoingo I could see a mixture of A and B with the Chicoms tolerating B in the areas uneconomical to occupy. [18:45]
mircea_popescu quite exactly. [18:45]
trinque that's basically what I'm saying. [18:45]
mircea_popescu and if you wanna b-talk, go to the b-tard reservation [18:45]
trinque chaos everywhere that doesn't matter [18:45]
mircea_popescu just like the us works now, so it won't even be strange. [18:45]
jurov and i guess chicoms will be happy to leave all the desert to mexico [18:45]
mircea_popescu what, you think maryland's not chaos everywhere "that doesn't matter" ? [18:45]
mircea_popescu go walk the streets at night. [18:46]
trinque I've been, not hungry enough yet though [18:46]
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BingoBoingo I mostly curious if the Chicoms farm Iowa or mine the uranium under Iowa [18:47]
trinque ^ this seems wishful to me [18:48]
mircea_popescu that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. [18:48]
trinque russia is not gone though the soviet union dissolved [18:48]
mircea_popescu the chinese would farm the shit out of that thing, to the bare bedrock. [18:48]
mircea_popescu in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive. [18:48]
mircea_popescu and so... is no doubt in my mind the chinese are getting the us. [18:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21250 @ 0.00051999 = 11.0498 BTC [-] [18:49]
mircea_popescu how and when, well... no idea [18:49]
ben_vulpes i can see them either filling a power vacuum or backing an secession. [18:49]
ben_vulpes a* [18:49]
trinque ben_vulpes: now there's a theory that works a bit better imo [18:49]
trinque something like the US is doing now in western ukraine [18:50]
mircea_popescu (you may think "oh, wouldn't it be more logical to do africa first ?" and no, it wouldn't. africa's inhabited by monkeys currently, so it doesn't matter. same pattern played out in 1705 - napoleon went after europe not after the us. because in 1705 the us was africa) [18:50]
ben_vulpes same thing i said before, really. [18:50]
BingoBoingo that's really the tension here : usians currently use the us like inept argentines: they huddle around the coast and pull their cocks. << Seriously big chunks or Arable land in Kansas went from farmed to feral in the past two decades. [18:50]
mircea_popescu i know. [18:50]
trinque ben_vulpes: far more plausible than china's going to land on the coast like normandy [18:50]
mircea_popescu fallow not feral. feral's about animls. [18:50]
ben_vulpes trinque: ah, i only meant to suggest that they might park an armada offshore to provide fire support. [18:51]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Commercially I think there will be fairly rapidly increasing Chinese investment in parts of Africa. Although that is a different matter. [18:51]
mircea_popescu williamdunne sure. and the us was built on european gold, look into the various panics culminating wit van buren [18:51]
BingoBoingo Oh, no. Completely feral. No one knows who the last title holder was on chunks of the place. I'm not talking unfarmed because it is out of the rotation. I'm talking retired from the being farmed business. [18:51]
ben_vulpes and with the work they're *doubtless* doing on autonomous flugenatoms that's going to be some impressive air support [18:51]
mircea_popescu but that's a diff story as you say [18:51]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes two things about chinese material research : a) american folk go "chinese have it so much better because their financing is secure" and b) they're spending about 10x more than the us [18:52]
mircea_popescu (real terms, nobody cares you paid your neighbour ten cents to claim you paid him ten trillion billions so you're rich now) [18:52]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: Greeks are now facing the Disqus problem; https://twitter.com/GreekAnalyst/status/617750418479820800 [18:53]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188518 < ascii I was just thinking that a 'fork watcher' is desperately needed [18:53]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 20:44:56; asciilifeform: it'll come in handy when i write the ph0rkvisualizer [18:53]
mircea_popescu williamdunne fuck the greeks. they should have bought btc for every penny they had. they did not [18:54]
mircea_popescu why, because they're too good for their shit to stink ? [18:54]
mircea_popescu i hope half the country starves and the rest gets sold into prostitution in rural india. [18:54]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: I'm not handing out sympathy here. But yes, I agree. Ah well, they're providing a lesson that is cheap for the rest of the world re; ownership [18:55]
mircea_popescu rest of the world won't listen until it starves too [18:55]
mircea_popescu not that i mind. [18:55]
williamdunne It's fine, I'll start hoarding tins of beans [18:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19484 @ 0.00053808 = 10.484 BTC [+] {2} [18:57]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1187792 << like most things, it was relationship building. they challenge being that i was always starting out as the devil and had to spin my way into the good books. [18:57]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 00:35:42; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-07-2015#1185497 << what's the job mostly, looking at deep frozen pork bellies ? [18:57]
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mircea_popescu oic [18:58]
pete_dushenski few restauranteurs and fewer landlords ever wanted a call from me, but too bad, i'm calling [18:58]
pete_dushenski but since my stick was so large and cumbersome to use, i had to finesse my way around problems [18:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70150 @ 0.00055031 = 38.6042 BTC [+] {5} [18:59]
pete_dushenski where stick = legislation [18:59]
williamdunne When was there ever an agile stick? [19:00]
pete_dushenski in the hands of a ninja ? [19:01]
decimation People I know who are from greece tell me that anyone who is worth a shit left long ago [19:01]
williamdunne turtles? [19:01]
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decimation it's become the puerto rico of europe [19:01]
pete_dushenski williamdunne: yes. [19:02]
punkman there are plenty of people left if you ask me :P [19:02]
mircea_popescu decimation the particular thing that annoys me is that the fuctarded anglos traded greece for romania after ww2, because oh noes, got forbid the english "Aristocratic" fauntleroys get separated from the fabled homeland of collegiate faggotry. [19:03]
williamdunne punkman: plenty of people, or plenty of people worth a shit? [19:03]
mircea_popescu such a good deal this was, srsly. [19:03]
decimation mircea_popescu: I wouldn't be too upset, the romanians are taking the piss from the uk right now - talk to any london cabbie [19:04]
punkman williamdunne: only the latter is "people" [19:04]
mircea_popescu i am not upset in the slightest, tis history. [19:04]
williamdunne punkman: and the former are? [19:04]
mircea_popescu people gotta know why their ears are nailed to which board. [19:04]
williamdunne "The number of Romanians and Bulgarians working in the UK has risen by 15% year-on-year, Office for National Statistics (ONS) figures show. In the last three months of 2014 there were 172,000 people working in the UK who had been born in one of the two eastern European countries" [19:04]
williamdunne Can't be taking the piss that much [19:04]
decimation actually an enterprising young man from the uk ought to move to romania and start a factory [19:05]
mircea_popescu that'll go over well :D [19:05]
punkman williamdunne: the great unwashed, we don't care about those [19:05]
williamdunne punkman: A shorter name available? [19:05]
mircea_popescu williamdunne do those statistics distinguish romanians and gypsies ? [19:05]
williamdunne mircea_popescu: They say born in Romania, so yeah I guess it includes Romani born in RO [19:06]
decimation do pikeys count as gypies too? [19:06]
mircea_popescu gypsies are a migratory sort, they're not anymore romanian than austrian, french or british [19:06]
mircea_popescu decimation i think so. [19:06]
jurov they are no longer migratory [19:06]
mircea_popescu yeah, so said the sultan, cca 1400 [19:06]
williamdunne decimation: Generally people don't differentiate between Romani and the Irish traveller sort - all come under the name 'gypsy' in the common tongue [19:06]
mircea_popescu williamdunne they're not really irish either lol. just called irish in england like they're called hungarian in some parts of romania [19:07]
williamdunne Just throw it into the stew, why not [19:08]
decimation it's interesting that they didn't really come to the us [19:09]
williamdunne decimation: I was lead to believe there was a growing "Irish" traveller population in the US [19:11]
decimation I've never seen one that was obvious [19:12]
trinque there are stinking punk kids that call themselves "travelers" here [19:12]
cazalla the irish have been flooding aussie shores for the past few years [19:12]
decimation then again there's enough land in the us that you could live in bumfuck nowhere and not bother folks so much [19:12]
punkman trinque: lol I can picture that [19:12]
trinque punkman: just losers in their 20s panhandling because as mircea_popescu said, nobody cares enough to beat them up for it [19:13]
decimation those we got plenty of, but I never saw any evidence that they had families and culture [19:13]
trinque no, nothing of the sort [19:13]
mircea_popescu actually gypsy culture would stand out like the second coming in the us [19:14]
mircea_popescu stuff like burning man etc stand for the peak of it there, but it's just about life 101 in gypsyland [19:14]
jurov l0l [19:14]
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mircea_popescu anyway. actually genetic gypsy people don't drink well. this, they have in common with the hungarians. hence the entire thing in romania. [19:15]
mircea_popescu contrairiwise, the irish drink quite well, russian-like [19:16]
pete_dushenski ;;later tell BingoBoingo "This incident highlight" << missing 's' [19:16]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:16]
pete_dushenski also "it is time for any last pretense of Bitcoin Core's development having any actual relationship to the actual living core of the Bitcoin Network." << time for what ? [19:18]
jurov time for drink! [19:18]
mircea_popescu with a yo ho ho [19:19]
cazalla such talk is triggering [19:21]
mircea_popescu i suppose the closest approximation of gypsy culture accessible in the us would be stuff like eve online. [19:22]
mircea_popescu not exactly trolling, not exactly wot, not exactly industrious. something. [19:23]
jurov nah, eve online has rules. more like eulora [19:23]
mircea_popescu btw, did you hear i'm gonna fuck up skills next ? [19:24]
jurov yes [19:24]
decimation http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188654 < oh, there's plenty that would resist an in-your-face takeover of the us by the chinese [19:24]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 21:44:43; mircea_popescu: in general disputes over land utilization resolve in favour of the more intensive. [19:25]
decimation but nearly all of this opposition would be happy to work in exchange for chinese money [19:25]
mircea_popescu decimation orly. [19:25]
mircea_popescu hjahaha mkay. [19:25]
decimation yeah definitely [19:25]
jurov they don't need in-your-face [19:25]
decimation no, they don't work that way [19:25]
mircea_popescu the chinese don't do in your face anyway [19:25]
jurov just buy the land with ..useless trinkets [19:25]
jurov :D [19:25]
mircea_popescu jurov shut up this facebook autoposter is great! really needed for it simplifies my lyf!!1 [19:26]
mircea_popescu also bought half dozen self licking icecream cones, you never know [19:26]
decimation they just open a huawei factory in texas, texas pays them to do so http://www.costar.com/News/Article/Huawei-Moves-to-Legacy-Place-II-Promises-600-Jobs/116355 [19:27]
assbot Huawei Moves to Legacy Place II, Promises 600 Jobs - CoStar Group ... ( http://bit.ly/1KIgnZC ) [19:27]
decimation because... they will help fund the real estate bezzletron [19:28]
mircea_popescu or so the bezzletron thinks [19:28]
decimation the chinese are willing to wait 100 years until your lease on hong-kong runs out [19:29]
decimation they would be willing to wait until the locals capitulate and beg them for jobs [19:29]
mircea_popescu oh, they won't dispute that. they will USE IT. [19:29]
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mircea_popescu "see, we're not even taking their lease on hong konmg. clearly we are the empire of law" [19:29]
decimation oh yes round-eyed master, you are great [19:30]
mircea_popescu you don't take over the enemy's things. you just make them be a burden to him now. [19:30]
mircea_popescu or, as the ever wise azn someguy or the other observed, "what good is your gold to you now ?" [19:30]
decimation on the freakonomics podcast, they had a guy on (retired army colonel) complaining that usg has nobody who thinks about anything strategic now [19:32]
decimation not that they ever did, really [19:32]
mircea_popescu arguably did at some point. [19:32]
decimation plenty of folks in usg and elsewhere see the big picture problems, but the usg throne seems to always get itself into 'urgent but unimportant' problems that distract them from any kind of long-term strategy [19:33]
mircea_popescu in any case, this all comes back to pete_dushenski attempts at education. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-06-2015#1158290 [19:34]
assbot Logged on 09-06-2015 16:46:31; mircea_popescu: but moreover avoidance of the situation where you piss off the rightly powerful. [19:34]
mircea_popescu basically, the usg has managed to alienate itself from the thiny sliver of people who actually matter. [19:34]
mircea_popescu this is a mortal sin nobody and nothing ever recovers from. [19:35]
mircea_popescu if that 1% doesn't feel the state like a glove, the state's gone. kinda like my ancient "the state may exist inasmuch as and for as long as i can't tell it's there." [19:35]
mircea_popescu once i observe it it's fucked. [19:36]
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mircea_popescu decimation strategic thinking is not the result of "thinking about big problems". the epitome of this distinction is here : http://trilema.com/2014/agency-and-other-notes/#selection-35.0-35.271 [19:36]
assbot Agency and other notes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H25Ym5 ) [19:36]
mircea_popescu that's a guy "thinking about big problems". he is no different from a dog thinking about bacon. [19:37]
mircea_popescu moreover, the strategic problems are often disguised as mundane things. i know at least a coupla of times my clock fucking stopped right here, over apparently nothings. and what the inept represent as "big problems" is almost never a usable or even vaguely correct representation. all about 'em, their emotional conflux, stuff like that. [19:38]
decimation often I find 'big problems' are unsolvable with any clear action anyway [19:39]
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mircea_popescu and the epitome of ~that~ distinction is as far as i know best illustrated by tornatore. in "l'uomo delle stele". [19:41]
mircea_popescu the plot is that a guy goes through villages with a broken camera, tricking people into paying him to make them cinema stars. [19:41]
mircea_popescu one of the rural inhabitants of a post-war italy that looks like 1300 ad is a shepherd. and he tells, the story of sherperding, specifically, that he talks to the stars [19:42]
mircea_popescu and sometimes wonders if the stars are real or the world is real. [19:42]
mircea_popescu this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago. [19:42]
mircea_popescu obviously if you restart the process of 5k years ago with the means of 5k years ago you will get the comensurate results. this is a fact, because the processors still work, and in the same way. [19:42]
mircea_popescu nevertheless... this isn't, actualy, a big problem. hasn't been, for five millenia. [19:43]
mircea_popescu god fucking help us if we have to fork human thought that deep. [19:43]
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mircea_popescu the general fate of "o noes, we will be poor" decay-of-civilisation ~small thinkers~ envisage is nothing compared. romania went through three of these in a century, was fine, will be fine. so will the us, if that's all it is. [19:43]
mircea_popescu once you have to start forking the thoughts tho... that's gonna be hard. [19:44]
cazalla BingoBoingo, why u no tell me this? http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3c86sd/influence_of_gavin_andresen_and_his_fellow/cst7qvu [19:44]
assbot satoshi_pokemoto comments on Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. ... ( http://bit.ly/1H27rJ9 ) [19:44]
decimation yeah I think I follow. it's kinda the root of ascii's complain about computing stuck in the 70's [19:44]
mircea_popescu i suspect so. [19:44]
mircea_popescu (the three, for the studious : 1929 ; 1945 ; 1989. the ww1 was not on the list, but instead a great time for romania. unexpectedly enough. young cvountry) [19:47]
williamdunne cazalla: Comment deleted, just as I was about to make a witicism [19:49]
shinohai > Did Gavin sleep with Mircea's wife or something? This article #9281 from qntra claiming that Gavin is incompetent. [19:49]
mircea_popescu wasn't the guy married to some chick people were more or less jokingly proposing to be satoshi in early say 2010-2011 ? [19:51]
mircea_popescu cazalla ahaha wait, BingoBoingo is mpoepr ?!?! [19:52]
mircea_popescu bb show us your tits! [19:52]
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mircea_popescu cazalla here's a funny : one view shows the article at 5 votes and 8 comments. the other, 6 votes, 6 comments [19:57]
mircea_popescu obviously these can't be both true. [19:57]
mircea_popescu and yet qntra is supposed to be censoring stuff. go fig. [19:59]
BingoBoingo ;;later tell pete_dushenski fixed [20:21]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:21]
BingoBoingo Where is this comment calling me MPOE-PR? [20:24]
BingoBoingo Apparently reddit ate those allegations/compliments [20:25]
williamdunne /r/buttcoin [20:26]
BingoBoingo williamdunne: No I clicked the link and it gave an error instead of showing great comment. [20:26]
BingoBoingo See https://archive.is/dXGMy [20:27]
assbot Influence of Gavin Andresen and his fellow developers of the Bitcoin Core client waning to new lows as their attempts to force misguided efforts end in disaster. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1G26Qq1 ) [20:27]
williamdunne Yeah, they deleted it before I could pay my witicisms [20:27]
asciilifeform 363954 [20:36]
BingoBoingo Does anyone have the actual text of the comment? [20:36]
cazalla it was just a oneliner that you are probably mp [20:42]
BingoBoingo Ah, I thought you were MP [20:43]
BingoBoingo And anyways I thought you said they said I was MPOE-PR [20:44]
BingoBoingo This is a crisis of existential proportions! I don't know who the Buttcoin public thinks I am. [20:45]
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williamdunne You're all MP [20:46]
williamdunne We're all MP [20:46]
cazalla nah, mircea_popescu said that, must've misread or we've gone inception or something [20:46]
williamdunne I'm MP [20:46]
asciilifeform bourbaki. [20:46]
cazalla daily weather forecast if anyone needs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePG6zUYvUZg [20:47]
assbot Ozzy Man Reviews: Yanet Garcia & Mexican Weather - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1G28h7G ) [20:48]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188797 << very related thread >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-11-2014#910176 [20:56]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 22:38:21; mircea_popescu: this is in fact a big problem, and it was a major scientific advantage. in 3000 ad. five fucking thousand years ago. [20:56]
assbot Logged on 05-11-2014 00:20:25; asciilifeform: re: maths wot << it is important to understand why this happens. [20:56]
asciilifeform or that other thread, which i can't seem to find, where we spoke of how 'maths wot is not essential for being published, but for even having publishable ideas instead of burning your life on fibonacci sequences or some other solved/irrelevant dead end' [20:57]
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asciilifeform as mircea_popescu points out, 'thought forks' are ruinously expensive [20:59]
asciilifeform makes global thermonukefest look like a cheap carnival ride [20:59]
asciilifeform if fork is deep enough. [20:59]
asciilifeform look how much of the 'thoughtchain' the folks flying the mohammedan flag ended up having to ditch [21:00]
asciilifeform (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!) [21:01]
asciilifeform the fella we keep bringing up, who directed his followers to use caesar's cipher, was actually being the very example of intellectual consistency here. [21:03]
asciilifeform doing anything more recent - even, e.g., a 16th century italian cipher like gerolamo cardano's grille - would be quite inconsistent with the whole framework [21:04]
asciilifeform why not, e.g., vernam (one time pad)? seemingly low-tech. but in point of fact, i can picture the conversation. 'provably unbreakable.' 'by what proof' '...' 'ah, but this mathematics is not in our wot.' [21:06]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-11-2014#922690 << see also. [21:07]
assbot Logged on 15-11-2014 00:37:34; asciilifeform: let's pretend that it just happened to fall upon the earth. [21:07]
asciilifeform resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. [21:07]
asciilifeform it is not even clear that this is something you would actually ~want~ a 'solution' to [21:07]
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decimation asciilifeform: indeed. it is an interesting point about the muslims, having to square the circle of islamic teaching forced them off the 'trunk' onto a backwards branchline [21:44]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo http://dpaste.com/06F9WDH << original sauce. [21:45]
assbot dpaste: 06F9WDH ... ( http://bit.ly/1KENcIy ) [21:45]
BingoBoingo ty [21:46]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform that math wot reduces to, having the right people to laugh at you. [21:47]
decimation I would also note that hardly anyone who builds on the mainline 'thought trunk' is aware of the fact that they are doing so [21:47]
decimation as in their ideas only look foundational in retrospect [21:47]
mircea_popescu (the cost is not apparent while the spoils of war - american tanks, ru/cn-contributed ammo, asian electronics - are plentiful. but try after!) << quite exactly this. [21:48]
decimation spoils of which war? usg occupation? [21:49]
mircea_popescu "that thing which the usg deems an occupation in the manner krill occupies a whale" [21:50]
decimation the krill could claim to compose nearly all of the wale [21:50]
decimation might even scheme to move the whale's path [21:50]
mircea_popescu resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing. [21:51]
mircea_popescu i've been peppering ag3ntzero guy with exactly this for the past week [21:51]
mircea_popescu because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT. [21:51]
mircea_popescu decimation their branchline is in no sense backwards. it is currently the consensus of thinking people (alf said "ru", but really, i agree, everyone with any sense agrees, ru is no determinant) that they are in point of fact broadly correct, [21:53]
mircea_popescu just the fact that they enjoy a defacto monopoly on criticism makes YOU backward. [21:53]
mircea_popescu the sad result of post-war welfarism being that "the west" is now in this sad position where the brightest minds are in the heads of some unwashed horde somewhere in the mideast. [21:54]
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bad_duck BananaLotus Belxjander ben_vulpes BigBitz BingoBoingo bitspill [22:12]
mircea_popescu btw nice article BingoBoingo [22:13]
BingoBoingo thanks [22:13]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188136 << hm, this is an issue isn't it [22:19]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 11:18:09; punkman: on a related note, kinda annoying reading through logs and trying to read all those expired dpastes [22:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188211 << apparently [22:24]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 13:08:28; mats: pgpdump really needs a rewrite... [22:24]
mircea_popescu by now it's getting to be a safe assumption ;/ [22:24]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188232 << is this a problem after syncing ? [22:25]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 14:50:21; asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu node on dulap is still wedged. and apparently this is not a terribly good place for a node, phuctor gets i/o-starved and dies [22:25]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188251 << i can see this. [22:27]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 15:11:48; asciilifeform: in general principle: destroy backups (the morons often make this possible!), produce leaks from which there ~can be no recovery~, etc [22:27]
mats i haven't noticed any actual bugs, but its apparent the person who wrote the port literally just copied it over without using python idioms like factories [22:27]
mircea_popescu "you wanted to benefit from responsible disclosure protections, you should have been in the wot" "but at the time i made that decision it seemed a no brainer, why expend the effort" "right. this is why you die." [22:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188255 << i dunno that it's known as anything from there, but i'll point out to you that a) the only time this was ever successful was when the jews did it to hitler in the 30s. the cost was, a practical end to that ethnic group, because the jews calling themselves jewish today are not the central european hasids who were to jewry in 1920 what china is to asia today. they [22:31]
mircea_popescu got practically some indonesians or somesuch. not even counting the significant costs to the helpers - the british empire ended up dismantled as a result, in a manner very much reminiscent of the "fetlife dmca's mp, and as a result some random dc in the us pays for mp's yacht". [22:31]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 15:17:05; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188084 << this is known, from mr mold's articles, as the 'kick the dog till it bites then shoot it' algo [22:31]
mircea_popescu and b) it has never worked since. never. [22:31]
mircea_popescu so to sum up : not usian but jewish ; not effectual generally but once ; not effectual at all but VERY expensive. [22:32]
mircea_popescu otherwise, the lefty "tactics" are purely sexual behaviours. if you examine it through the lens of "i am looking at an anal child", it's readily apparent they're seeking parental contact. [22:32]
mircea_popescu btw, jurov, did you want some pogos shipped ? [22:34]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188263 << this is true. [22:36]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future. [22:36]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188270 << they're as good as the entire us navy, which idem could not stop. so it makes sense, they're serving all the symbolic purpose that can be served, at the cost that can be borne. [22:37]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 15:58:04; mats: iirc usg has provided four frigates for naval defense, a pathetic number in any case that could not stop any mildly determined attempt to storm the island [22:37]
mircea_popescu as you say yourself lol. nm. [22:38]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/bfc307fa93045657609cf07f10a3e124/tumblr_nodp2qkWTB1sjyuzzo1_1280.jpg [22:41]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-june-2015-statement/ << i kid you not , tangibles moved by 20.666 this month [22:47]
assbot MPIF (F.MPIF) June 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIg7LE ) [22:47]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188295 <<< he has a point. how else to think ? [22:50]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 16:30:55; ben_vulpes: you have the weirdest fetishes. [22:50]
mircea_popescu anyway, ima support this. brb. [22:51]
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mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. [22:57]
assbot [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1JIhNVn ) [22:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-07-2015#1188349 << maybe all it's getting are "orphans" :D [23:00]
assbot Logged on 05-07-2015 17:59:30; asciilifeform: also interestingly, it has 10 peers and no tx garbage scrolling in debug.log [23:00]
scoopbot_revived MPIF (F.MPIF) June 2015 Statement http://trilema.com/2015/mpif-fmpif-june-2015-statement/ [23:04]
scoopbot_revived [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ [23:13]
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mats https://twitter.com/hackingteam/status/617852091390935040 [23:26]
mats HT does 'hax for hire' as USG subcontractor. lulz. [23:26]
mats half a tb of emails and code there. [23:27]
mats (they got pwned, if that wasn't clear) [23:27]
mats http://i.imgur.com/OMbfNB9.png [23:27]
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mod6 <+mircea_popescu> http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/ << 1 btc. << fwiw I did try creating the callgraphs in doxygen with SVG format; the graphs looked ok, but the links were all broken etc. maybe someone else has a better way to solve this. [23:29]
assbot [OPEN] Callgraph for therealbitcoin, in SVG format. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDAl7I ) [23:29]
mod6 ( & perhaps a different tool ) [23:31]
decimation !up ag3nt_zer0 [23:31]
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ag3nt_zer0 hey whats up decimation thanks [23:32]
ag3nt_zer0 just looking at the log here and feeling stupid haha [23:32]
decimation critical self examination is the root of learning [23:33]
ag3nt_zer0 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188869 << well I am trying to grasp what is being talked about here and what I am missing [23:34]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:24; mircea_popescu: resolution of thoughtchain forks is not even close to a solved problem. << the resolution per se is probably as you point out not even approachable as a problem, which is unsurprising seeing how it logically predates the notion of problem. nevertheless, the resolution of THE PROBLEM of thoughtchain forks is actually a very well understood thing. [23:34]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00052461 = 4.3543 BTC [-] [23:48]
ag3nt_zer0 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-07-2015#1188871 << please excuse my obtuseness, but what is "THAT"? ability to resolve "THE PROBLEM" of a thoughtchain fork? [23:51]
assbot Logged on 06-07-2015 00:47:52; mircea_popescu: because i am so amused that someone could use the relatively advanced keyboard but not know how to do THAT. [23:51]
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