Forum logs for 05 Dec 2013

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

stephengandel	the search?	[00:00]
nubbins`	yeah, it's a website, just ctrl-f :)	[00:00]
nubbins`	or command-f, even	[00:00]
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dub	no dont command-f	[00:00]
dub	thats for lames	[00:00]
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nubbins`	mildly annoying, X11 apps require control-f whereas native quartz applications use command-f	[00:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 6.28636680 BTC to 332`612 shares, 1890 satoshi per share	[00:03]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0029975 = 0.2398 BTC [+]	[00:16]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 762 @ 0.00300351 = 2.2887 BTC [+] {7}	[00:20]
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Namworld	http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2013/dec/04/nigerian-rescued-sunken-boat-trapped-atlantic-video	[00:21]
ThickAsThieves	holy crap	[00:21]
Namworld	3 days in an air pocket in a sunken boat at the bottom of the atlantic... must feel lonely	[00:22]
Duffer1	o.0	[00:28]
arbon	Lonely? I'm thinking more like terrified	[00:29]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5175488/researchers-find-400000-year-old-human-dna-spain-oldest-found	[00:30]
ozbot	Oldest ever human DNA found in Spain, raises new questions about evolution \| The Verge	[00:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 25 @ 0.1518 = 3.795 BTC [+]	[00:32]
Apocalyptic	these nigerians are resilient	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	wow ebay fees are absurd	[00:32]
truffles	haha	[00:32]
ThickAsThieves	i havent sold there in forever	[00:33]
truffles	so u r interested in evoluation TAT	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	they take like 10%	[00:33]
ThickAsThieves	i evolve every day	[00:33]
Apocalyptic	lulz	[00:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.05699969 = 0.171 BTC [+]	[00:34]
pankkake	yes, they've been slowly increasing fees over the years	[00:34]
Namworld	Like government increase taxes?	[00:34]
pankkake	well, they aren't preventing anyone to use competitors yet!	[00:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34899997 BTC [-]	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	so what do people use instead?	[00:35]
ThickAsThieves	craigslist?	[00:35]
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pankkake	I still use ebay… it has the most stuff	[00:35]
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ThickAsThieves	meh	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	fukn robbery	[00:36]
pankkake	and the most buyers too	[00:36]
pankkake	craigslist doesn't have a reputation system right?	[00:36]
deadweasel	nope	[00:36]
ThickAsThieves	well i'm a seller in this case	[00:36]
pankkake	I guess it's ok if you sell it face-to-face	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	yeah	[00:37]
deadweasel	ThickAsThieves: what are you slinging now?	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	nunya	[00:37]
deadweasel	i'll take 3	[00:37]
deadweasel	does it mine?	[00:37]
deadweasel	;)	[00:37]
ThickAsThieves	heh i thought i invented nunya just now	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	apparently not	[00:38]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 150 @ 0.00301699 = 0.4525 BTC [+] {2}	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	;;ud nunya	[00:38]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=nunya \| 2. nunya. A response to a rude question where someone is asking for personal information they are not ... Nunya is part of a burn to follow such a rude inquiry.	[00:38]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: nunya	[00:38]
pankkake	I can sell you an abacus. It mines.	[00:38]
ThickAsThieves	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=357022.msg3827014#msg3827014 pankkake, SMG is making a Second Life?	[00:41]
ozbot	New stock on Havelock: 7C (Games on the 7th continent)	[00:41]
pankkake	I don't know, it's a MMORPG?	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	i thought it was an mmorpg?	[00:41]
pankkake	with bitcoin economy in it? well, it seems similar enough to me	[00:41]
ThickAsThieves	now that you frame it that way i guess it is the same	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	but better	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	cuz you can slay monsters	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	etc	[00:42]
pankkake	oh, right. second life is just boring	[00:42]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[00:42]
pankkake	actually, people who are into second life are really weird… not that there is anything wrong with that, but certainly not the WoW people	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	they are mor elike Sims players	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	which also painfully boring	[00:43]
ThickAsThieves	is	[00:43]
pankkake	sims is manipulating people, second life is being someone else	[00:44]
pankkake	(usually a transexual furry slave)	[00:44]
truffles	ha	[00:46]
truffles	what do u play?	[00:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 777 @ 0.003017 = 2.3442 BTC [+]	[00:46]
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pankkake	I tried SL a few years ago, played a girl with big boobs, got naked in public, and then got bored	[00:46]
pankkake	but I don't really like MMORPGs either	[00:47]
truffles	"got bored" playing a woman hmmm	[00:47]
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dub	its pretty boring	[00:48]
dub	you can grind out real money from 'playing' sl though	[00:48]
truffles	never played	[00:48]
*	truffles only plays the violent games	[00:49]
pankkake	yeah, kill something for <30min, that's my idea of a video game :D	[00:49]
Namworld	"Playing" doesn't pay. Design skins and objects for the game, sell them.	[00:49]
dub	you can get payed for just being in an area	[00:50]
ThickAsThieves	probly something Eulora will also be better at	[00:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [-]	[00:50]
Namworld	I don't work for 0.1 cent an hour.	[00:50]
dub	since area populatrity is self fulfulling, if you have people in your area other people will come and check it out	[00:50]
pankkake	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Second_Life#Monetary_policy hahaha	[00:50]
ozbot	Economy of Second Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[00:50]
Namworld	Then sell the SLL on virwox for BTC!	[00:51]
dub	so people pay other people to be in their areas, but yeah bored housewives grinding out pennies for kink is probably 90% of hte userbase	[00:51]
dub	I went and checked out their in-world presence, you can buy btc inside the game too	[00:52]
pankkake	I thought they banned exchanges or something	[00:53]
Namworld	You can? Weird	[00:53]
dub	this was a couple of years ago I guess	[00:53]
dub	theres some good trolling lulz to be had in SL	[00:54]
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jurov`	stephengandel: i'm going off, email to coinbr support when you make up your mind, or have questions	[00:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 40 @ 0.0030173 = 0.1207 BTC [+]	[00:59]
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ThickAsThieves	"Okene was strapped into diving equipment, then led to a diving bell which took him to the surface, where he spent two days in a decompression chamber. "	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	guy had to confined 2 more days!	[01:03]
ThickAsThieves	be	[01:03]
deadweasel	best two days of his life	[01:04]
deadweasel	anticipation of life	[01:04]
truffles	or death	[01:05]
Apocalyptic	http://www.businessinsider.com/hugh-hendry-bitcoin-could-hit-1-million-2013-12	[01:06]
ozbot	Hugh Hendry Bitcoin Could Hit 1 Million - Business Insider	[01:06]
pankkake	"If I could own Bitcoin, I would" what	[01:07]
pankkake	I'll sell you one for $10000 Hugh, don't worry	[01:07]
deadweasel	that means he does.	[01:07]
pankkake	clever!	[01:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0030173 = 1.5087 BTC [+]	[01:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34899998 = 1.047 BTC [+]	[01:07]
Apocalyptic	"The reason Hendry doesn't own Bitcoin is because it's not available on a regular exchange	[01:08]
Apocalyptic	", rofl	[01:08]
deadweasel	a lot of effort into that excuse.	[01:08]
deadweasel	this Riddick 3 hdcam is awesome.	[01:09]
deadweasel	total formula flick, but good	[01:09]
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kakobrekla	http://lamborghininewportbeach.blogspot.com/2013/12/we-just-sold-our-very-first-vehicle.html	[01:10]
ozbot	Lamborghini Newport Beach Blog: We just sold our very first vehicle with Bitcoin as legal tender	[01:10]
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pankkake	as legal tender?	[01:10]
kakobrekla	dunno	[01:10]
kakobrekla	havent read it	[01:10]
ThickAsThieves	it's Bugpowder!	[01:12]
dub	https://twitter.com/Wu_Tang_Finance/status/408370614315925504	[01:13]
ozbot	Twitter / Wu_Tang_Finance: I WAS A TERROR SINCE THE BUSINESS ...	[01:13]
kakobrekla	i bet it went for less than my Golf	[01:13]
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pankkake	makes no sense to buy a car with bitcoin, just take a fiat loan	[01:13]
pankkake	fiat, hehe!	[01:13]
kakobrekla	dont buy Fiat!	[01:13]
ThickAsThieves	buy a Fiat with bitcoin	[01:13]
dub	dont buy vw either, jesus	[01:14]
pankkake	buy a silver fiat panda	[01:14]
kakobrekla	well, twas only 500 btc ya know	[01:14]
pankkake	at least it wasn't a pizza…	[01:15]
Apocalyptic	still a pretty expensive golf	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	1 pizza costs 20 Teslas	[01:16]
ThickAsThieves	wacky world	[01:16]
kakobrekla	yes one of the worst deals i have done :)	[01:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3489 BTC [-]	[01:16]
dub	doesnt matter how much you pay, ending up owning a golf is bad deal	[01:17]
kakobrekla	lol ok w/e	[01:17]
dub	purchase price $1, yearly maintenance bill $1000000	[01:18]
kakobrekla	not here	[01:18]
kakobrekla	here is one of the cheapest cars to run	[01:18]
kakobrekla	and it breaks down very little	[01:18]
kakobrekla	and you can go to bosnia and back and still come back with a car in 1 piece :)	[01:19]
dub	facts be damned by golf was a peice of shit	[01:19]
kakobrekla	why the hate, did golf kill your family and rape your butt?	[01:20]
dub	vr6 rice racer model, runs hotter than the sun, every fucking part needed importing	[01:20]
kakobrekla	i think you must be stuck in some alternate reality	[01:21]
dub	burns oil faster than petrol	[01:21]
Apocalyptic	hate oil burners..	[01:21]
kakobrekla	lol	[01:21]
dub	I am stuck very fucking far from yurup which didn thelp	[01:21]
kakobrekla	doenst make them a shit car if you are in fuckin usa	[01:22]
dub	yes it DOES	[01:22]
kakobrekla	just makes you in a bad position :)	[01:22]
dub	FU	[01:22]
kakobrekla	dub got all pissy	[01:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0030173 = 0.1509 BTC [+]	[01:23]
kakobrekla	do not ever again metion golf	[01:23]
pankkake	it's funny how there are almost no american cars in yurop	[01:23]
kakobrekla	words of wisdom	[01:23]
kakobrekla	pankkake cause they are retarded	[01:23]
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truffles	when did it become a yurop thing..	[01:25]
pankkake	I doubt asians buy any either yeah	[01:25]
pankkake	but everyone buys their cars	[01:25]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2975 @ 0.00301829 = 8.9794 BTC [+] {3}	[01:30]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1000 @ 0.000451 = 0.451 BTC [-]	[01:31]
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pankkake	so, all current black markets are closing/closed now. we'll see if bitcoin is about drugs	[01:32]
dub	because they they make the best cars	[01:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1140 @ 0.0030184 = 3.441 BTC [+] {3}	[01:33]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 350 @ 0.0030184 = 1.0564 BTC [+]	[01:37]
truffles	pankkake was there a major crack down?	[01:37]
pankkake	no, BMR shuts down because "they have no competition"	[01:38]
truffles	isnt that a good thing	[01:38]
pankkake	too much users to handle	[01:38]
pankkake	(and owner is probably rich enough to retire)	[01:39]
truffles	i c	[01:39]
pankkake	http://www.deepdotweb.com/2013/12/01/bmr-is-shutting-down/	[01:39]
ozbot	BMR Is Shutting Down \| Deep Dot Web	[01:39]
truffles	where r all the addicts gonna turn now	[01:39]
pankkake	BMR was guns, too	[01:39]
Apocalyptic	no, BMR shuts down because "they have no competition" // first time i hear that justification for shutting down	[01:43]
pankkake	"This puts BMR in the edge of the blade, Tor can’t support any site to be too big"	[01:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.00301 = 0.602 BTC [-]	[01:44]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00301 = 0.301 BTC [-]	[01:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14110003 = 0.2822 BTC [-]	[01:49]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 11 @ 0.02499727 = 0.275 BTC [+] {3}	[01:50]
dub	its the gox doctrine	[01:56]
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dub	'we suck because we're so popular'	[01:56]
Apocalyptic	true	[01:57]
dub	was looking for this earlier, probably the greatest moment in second life http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RedLyae4b2s	[02:02]
truffles	"inappropriate for some users"	[02:04]
dub	cocks everywhere	[02:05]
kakobrekla	i dont see how some random dicks running around is funny	[02:05]
truffles	predators find it funny	[02:05]
kakobrekla	i mean, its nothing new.	[02:05]
kakobrekla	dicks.	[02:05]
dub	this was like the first live-to-reality interview with the richest secondlifer	[02:05]
dub	I guess it needs context	[02:06]
kakobrekla	who is the richest secondlifer	[02:06]
dub	but then I guess you should have lurked moar amirite?	[02:06]
truffles	ya cuz im not signed in	[02:06]
dub	anshe chung	[02:06]
kakobrekla	that girl?	[02:06]
dub	if you don't know about everything that ever happened on the internet its not my fault	[02:06]
dub	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshe_Chung	[02:07]
ozbot	Anshe Chung - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia	[02:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 50 @ 0.00225002 = 0.1125 BTC [-]	[02:07]
kakobrekla	"Chung currently owns thousands of servers' worth of land, "	[02:08]
kakobrekla	lol ok	[02:08]
pankkake	it's really a girl?	[02:08]
kakobrekla	this second life land, which the creators can print to infinity?	[02:09]
truffles	impressive	[02:09]
kakobrekla	like dollars n stuff	[02:09]
dub	no, they have to buy it off linden labs amd pay rent	[02:09]
dub	but yeah, LL can add as much 'land' as they like to a point	[02:09]
kakobrekla	ok but linden makes this out of shits and gigles	[02:09]
kakobrekla	great investment	[02:10]
dub	well she made bank	[02:10]
truffles	"With her first Linden dollars she was able to sponsor a boy named Geo from the Philippines through a German church organization."-- pretty cool imo	[02:11]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 262 @ 0.0029016 = 0.7602 BTC [-]	[02:11]
kakobrekla	that should read 'she sponsored german church with a young boy from philippines'	[02:12]
dub	creating stuff like buildings, vehicles, furniture, genitalia in game takes actual work, she used sweatshops to produce shit and sold it/rented property	[02:12]
kakobrekla	i wonder what they paid her.	[02:12]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 88 @ 0.0029016 = 0.2553 BTC [-]	[02:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.15 BTC [+]	[02:23]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 790 @ 0.00081324 = 0.6425 BTC [-]	[02:23]
truffles	SL is not for lazi ppl	[02:24]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 1500 @ 0.000158 = 0.237 BTC [+]	[02:25]
kakobrekla	;;xau	[02:26]
gribble	Error: "xau" is not a valid command.	[02:26]
kakobrekla	what is	[02:26]
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kakobrekla	;;bc,xau	[02:26]
gribble	1 XAU = 1239.700000000000 USD = 1.00461913294 BTC	[02:26]
dub	heh	[02:29]
dub	Look you are blinded by BitCoin as is Peter Schiff by Gold and Greenspan by the Dollar. I am saying Trading LiteCoin has Advantage a) and Advantage b). I did my due dilligence and I know	[02:29]
dub	what i found out. There is nothing on earth that is going to convice me otherwise, especially not	[02:30]
dub	you.	[02:30]
dub	...	[02:30]
dub	dub, and gox by some fat american bastard	[02:30]
dub	nice due dilligence thar	[02:30]
kakobrekla	so ltc is better than btc cause france is in merrica?	[02:31]
dub	yea	[02:32]
kakobrekla	i should defo get sum	[02:32]
Apocalyptic	is just Karpeles french or ne0futur too ?	[02:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 261 @ 0.0029999 = 0.783 BTC [+]	[02:34]
truffles	dub uve gotten me to watch this sad display of SL omg	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 3 @ 0.1493333 = 0.448 BTC [+] {3}	[02:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.34879999 = 1.0464 BTC [-]	[02:35]
dub	I didn't think ne0futur worked there, he just hangs of tux' dick	[02:35]
dub	off*	[02:35]
Apocalyptic	dub, i've been told he's gox #2	[02:35]
truffles	"dancing with myself" and this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRj3HNx8_wA	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.14999996 = 0.3 BTC [+] {2}	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00327769 = 0.2622 BTC [+] {2}	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 812 @ 0.000451 = 0.3662 BTC [-]	[02:36]
dub	Apocalyptic: must be a recent thing	[02:36]
Namworld	What happened to the new satoshidice?	[02:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14999997 BTC [+]	[02:38]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6645 @ 0.00080683 = 5.3614 BTC [-]	[02:39]
dub	as recently as a couple of months ago when I challenged him on his rampant gox shilling he claimed to have no attachment beyond fanboy	[02:40]
dub	he did have insider info from tux however	[02:41]
ThickAsThieves	just in case any of you can help, why is firewire service not showing in my new W7 machine?	[02:43]
ThickAsThieves	do new updates remove it or somehting	[02:44]
truffles	dunno what firewire is	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	1394	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	it's like USB	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	but like SCSI	[02:46]
Duffer1	have you tried newest drivers?	[02:46]
ThickAsThieves	but Apple-fied	[02:47]
*	truffles is not techie	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	well all the firewire drivers exist	[02:47]
dub	you are the first person I've ever heard of using firewire	[02:47]
assbot	[MPEX] [O] [O.USD.P095T] 10 @ 0.02 = 0.2 BTC [-]	[02:47]
dub	congrats	[02:47]
Duffer1	oh apple i know not	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	dub, it's for my sound card	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	a MOTU	[02:47]
ThickAsThieves	and old one	[02:48]
ThickAsThieves	an*	[02:48]
Duffer1	so apple running win7 w/ fire wire issue?	[02:48]
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ThickAsThieves	no	[02:48]
nubbins`	i've got an old minidv camcorder that does firewire	[02:48]
ThickAsThieves	it actually works fine on the apple w7 setup	[02:48]
ThickAsThieves	this is just a normal w7 setup	[02:48]
ThickAsThieves	i'm worried the mobo cant support it at all or something	[02:49]
Duffer1	ya i was gonna say	[02:49]
truffles	but its brand new pc	[02:49]
truffles	shame	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	but usually there is a category in Device Manager	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	for 1394	[02:49]
Duffer1	has it ever worked on that comp?	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	but it;s not even there	[02:49]
ThickAsThieves	its new	[02:49]
Duffer1	i'm shocked it even has a firewire plugin	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	it doesnt	[02:50]
Duffer1	sound card?	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	its a pci-e card	[02:50]
Duffer1	i see	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	firewire sound cards are external	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	it connects to the pcie	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	its actually not a sound "card" at all	[02:50]
ThickAsThieves	its a rackmount unit	[02:51]
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Duffer1	if it's pcie it shouldn't have a problem though	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	http://media.soundonsound.com/sos/jul04/images/motu828mkii.l.jpg	[02:52]
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Duffer1	sounds like some kind of driver issue, sorry man that's the extent of my suggestions :/	[02:52]
ThickAsThieves	i had the card showing up as a yellow ?	[02:53]
benkay	does anyone have an email for jurov`	[02:53]
benkay	?	[02:53]
truffles	have u tried uninstalling and reinstalling? :D	[02:53]
ThickAsThieves	yeah, since uninstall it doesnt show at all now :/	[02:53]
ThickAsThieves	benkay i do	[02:53]
ThickAsThieves	i hope that helps	[02:53]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[02:53]
ThickAsThieves	support@coinbr.com	[02:54]
Duffer1	tat what's make/model of the unit?	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	of what	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	the mobo?	[02:54]
Duffer1	the audio equipment	[02:54]
benkay	thankee kindly, sir.	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	thats not the issue	[02:54]
ThickAsThieves	w7 doesnt even see the pcie card	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	anymore	[02:55]
Duffer1	have you tried a different pci-e slot?	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	the pcie card and the sound card are two diff products	[02:55]
ThickAsThieves	no	[02:56]
Duffer1	so the pci-e is firewire specific?	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	it is a firewire card	[02:56]
Duffer1	ohhh ok	[02:56]
ThickAsThieves	oh well, back to the frustration	[02:57]
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truffles	if its broken before u even got to use it, tough times ahead	[02:58]
nubbins`	honey shreddies	[02:58]
Duffer1	thickasthieves http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-hardware/firewire-devices-not-getting-recognized-on-windows/5202e866-aed8-4a04-8e8b-9927a1906971	[02:59]
Duffer1	thickasthieves scroll down to afzal taher's reply where he has you swap to legacy drivers	[03:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34879999 BTC [-]	[03:05]
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ThickAsThieves	nope, changing the pcie slot worked!	[03:10]
Duffer1	ah right on :)	[03:10]
truffles	gj Duffer1	[03:10]
Duffer1	mobo hardware fault on the first slot was actually my least likely scenario, but you gotta cover the bases anyways in pc troubleshooting	[03:11]
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Duffer1	still might not even be a hardware fault hehe	[03:12]
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dub	a lot of boards have shit like shared bus for the first pcie x1 and x16 slots	[03:15]
dub	so its one or the other, or bios switchable	[03:15]
Duffer1	or irq conflict	[03:16]
dub	two at x4 or one at x16 etc	[03:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.3401 = 1.0203 BTC [-]	[03:16]
dub	don't assume its faulty before reading mobo spec anyway	[03:16]
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ThickAsThieves	dub, yeah the gpu was the next slot	[03:18]
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dub	I had trouble getting 5 pcie slots working that turned out ot be a bios switch, run the 3rd x16 slot at x4 livens up the last x1 slot	[03:20]
dub	crazy taiwanese	[03:21]
ThickAsThieves	i really should have known this already from my gpu mining days	[03:22]
ThickAsThieves	dub did you see my comment earlier today about my new speaker setup?	[03:22]
ThickAsThieves	i recall you being into this stuff	[03:22]
dub	must have mised it	[03:22]
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dub	should get back into it actually	[03:23]
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dub	made nice setup in new houes for my turnies and shit, havent actually used them	[03:23]
dub	you linking or do I need ot read the whole log :)	[03:26]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.02231001 = 0.1339 BTC [-] {5}	[03:27]
kakobrekla	you got techicks?	[03:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.003 = 0.21 BTC [+]	[03:28]
kakobrekla	technics*	[03:28]
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dub	yessir mark 5s	[03:29]
truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2A002Em8Yw skip to 1:17min	[03:29]
kakobrekla	yeah i got mk5 too	[03:29]
kakobrekla	teh standard.	[03:29]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8294 @ 0.00080801 = 6.7016 BTC [+] {2}	[03:30]
dub	got SL3 cheap from my homie at serato	[03:30]
kakobrekla	i bought them like 10 years go	[03:30]
kakobrekla	ago	[03:30]
dub	same	[03:30]
kakobrekla	what setup you got tat?	[03:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 740 @ 0.00044 = 0.3256 BTC [-] {4}	[03:32]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 500 @ 0.000431 = 0.2155 BTC [-]	[03:33]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00299999 = 0.15 BTC [-]	[03:33]
truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsM2ZbQtulM lol	[03:33]
ozbot	ROCK-HARD-COCK - YouTube	[03:33]
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dub	tat gonna be rocking srs bzns	[03:34]
dub	having heard his shit	[03:34]
Duffer1	with that rack he's got, i'm sure he didn't go budget on the monitors, i bet it sounds pretty good :P	[03:34]
thestringpuller	started from the bottom now we're here	[03:36]
thestringpuller	started from the bottom now the whole fuckin' team is here	[03:36]
thestringpuller	uh uh uh I'm drake	[03:36]
thestringpuller	uh uh	[03:36]
ThickAsThieves	sorry, dub ws afk	[03:36]
ThickAsThieves	i got full setup of neumann monitors and woofer	[03:37]
ThickAsThieves	killer killer killer	[03:37]
truffles	dub u could at least appreciate that cock game	[03:37]
dub	truffles: i made the call not to watch that at work	[03:38]
truffles	work pff	[03:38]
dub	don't want teh gays in security thinking I'm down	[03:38]
truffles	haha	[03:38]
truffles	its a game with a "hard" penis just rolling through like mario	[03:38]
truffles	or sonic	[03:38]
truffles	why r u still at work!	[03:39]
truffles	its way past overtime hrs in the east	[03:39]
dub	its december	[03:41]
thestringpuller	dub works the farms	[03:41]
thestringpuller	listening to that wub wub	[03:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 260 @ 0.00043134 = 0.1121 BTC [+] {2}	[03:41]
thestringpuller	dub dub dub wub wub dub wub	[03:41]
dub	and every project has a unique snowflake trying to ram his shit through before brownout	[03:41]
dub	so dubs don't get to sleep	[03:41]
truffles	hope u party it up	[03:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 398 @ 0.00044001 = 0.1751 BTC [+]	[03:42]
dub	I have three weeks in wine country from the 20th	[03:42]
dub	off grid, no cell coverage	[03:42]
truffles	:)	[03:42]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.341 = 1.705 BTC [+]	[03:43]
truffles	i asked a friend why not take cell "just in case" lol	[03:43]
truffles	ofc i get it now	[03:44]
thestringpuller	dub has miles to go before he sleeps	[03:45]
thestringpuller	cause he has promises to keep	[03:45]
thestringpuller	!ticker h am100	[03:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK:AM100] 1D: 0.00314120 / 0.00326529 / 0.00337880 (637 shares, 2.07999251 BTC), 7D: 0.00102001 / 0.00305895 / 0.00508899 (30802 shares, 94.22169677 BTC), 30D: 0.00102001 / 0.00447466 / 0.00802006 (165935 shares, 742.50348228 BTC)	[03:46]
truffles	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV2YIUsZSJQ	[03:46]
ozbot	Innomine x Lee Kim - Promise To Keep It - YouTube	[03:46]
thestringpuller	so truffles, i learned the other dy	[03:47]
thestringpuller	day	[03:47]
thestringpuller	that truffles are traded on the black market	[03:47]
thestringpuller	;;seen pigeons	[03:48]
truffles	k	[03:48]
gribble	pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 5 days, 11 hours, 29 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: well he was sorry i'm sure	[03:48]
truffles	its just an alias though	[03:48]
dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huOtZVPxzT8	[03:48]
ozbot	Bob Marley - Work [05] - YouTube	[03:48]
thestringpuller	www.youtube.com/watch?v=08tYrBCgXlU	[03:48]
thestringpuller	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08tYrBCgXlU	[03:49]
thestringpuller	lol ozbot lag	[03:49]
dub	thestringpuller++	[03:49]
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Duffer1	oh man that makes me miss my record player	[03:50]
thestringpuller	Didn't know there were so many Isley Brothers fans in the house.	[03:50]
nubbins`	every home needs a good turntable	[03:51]
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Duffer1	i still have all my old vinyl, no record player though hehe	[03:52]
*	truffles does not have work to do yay	[03:52]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKejQsiHINg	[03:52]
ozbot	Frankie Paul - Work Hard - YouTube	[03:52]
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ThickAsThieves	i have Pharcyde - Labcabcalifornia on my turntable	[03:54]
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Vexual	ive got lana del ray	[03:54]
Vexual	dont remember playing that	[03:54]
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truffles	think she's good link it	[03:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 275 @ 0.00299998 = 0.825 BTC [-] {2}	[03:56]
*	truffles ralls mjr linking such..	[03:56]
*	truffles recalls*	[03:57]
ThickAsThieves	lana del ray has like 1 good song	[03:57]
ThickAsThieves	if i recall	[03:57]
truffles	summertime sadness?	[03:58]
Vexual	whole mp sounds nice through a needle	[03:58]
Vexual	*lp	[03:58]
Vexual	:)	[03:58]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose i didnt give her a full chance	[03:58]
ThickAsThieves	but thats cuz her rap xover attempt	[03:58]
dub	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48LLdLbAiQg	[03:58]
ozbot	Fatlip - What's Up Fatlip [VIDEO] - YouTube	[03:58]
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truffles	dub listens to rap, shocker	[03:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14999999 BTC [+]	[03:59]
*	dub og gansta	[03:59]
dub	GANSTA yeard	[04:00]
truffles	yeard = nerd*	[04:00]
Vexual	and the loot	[04:02]
nubbins`	i was listening to OM earlier on my turntable	[04:02]
nubbins`	nice music to get stoned & evolve to	[04:03]
Vexual	what om?	[04:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34799999 BTC [+]	[04:04]
nubbins`	live conference	[04:04]
nubbins`	two sides, two tracks :D	[04:05]
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mircea_popescu	sooo what's new	[04:06]
nubbins`	that and the live jesus lizard album have both been getting some heavy play	[04:06]
deadweasel	i got a new woman.	[04:06]
Vexual	sounds like attempted sabbath or something	[04:07]
truffles	deadweasel with pics?	[04:07]
nubbins`	ah, a bit more doomy	[04:07]
Vexual	and the neo bee guys seem nice apparently	[04:07]
nubbins`	and with more christian iconography	[04:07]
Vexual	sabbathy floydy?	[04:07]
Vexual	greatfuldeady?	[04:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10192 @ 0.0008112 = 8.2678 BTC [+]	[04:07]
thestringpuller	nubbins` smokes the blunts?!?!?	[04:07]
nubbins`	nah, not even	[04:07]
thestringpuller	i would have never guessed	[04:07]
nubbins`	Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O8eqR-9qMM	[04:08]
thestringpuller	being an artist and all	[04:08]
nubbins`	thestringpuller: never woulda guessed, hey? ;p	[04:08]
nubbins`	Vexual: ffw to 5:30 if you get bored	[04:08]
truffles	dub http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MU0f2V-WX6w	[04:09]
Vexual	it's nice, i might wait antil dark to give it a listen, its noon here	[04:09]
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nubbins`	yah, night music	[04:09]
nubbins`	;;bc,xau	[04:09]
gribble	1 XAU = 1240.000000000000 USD = 1.01556101556 BTC	[04:10]
nubbins`	so close	[04:10]
kakobrekla	i heard it passed	[04:10]
nubbins`	;;ticker	[04:10]
kakobrekla	http://bitbet.us/bet/598/1-btc-will-surpass-price-of-1-troy/#c2004	[04:10]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1223.31724, Best ask: 1224.98, Bid-ask spread: 1.66276, Last trade: 1221.0, 24 hour volume: 17789.40413775, 24 hour low: 1131.72718, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1201.99894	[04:10]
ozbot	BitBet - 1 BTC will surpass price of 1 Troy Oz of Gold in USD	[04:10]
mircea_popescu	hasn't passed yet afaik, but they kissed once before	[04:11]
kakobrekla	but but teh commentz sais NO	[04:11]
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thestringpuller	;;ticker	[04:14]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1224.005, Best ask: 1232.0, Bid-ask spread: 7.99500, Last trade: 1232.0, 24 hour volume: 17845.20159732, 24 hour low: 1131.72718, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1202.10105	[04:14]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12800 @ 0.00081181 = 10.3912 BTC [+] {2}	[04:16]
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Vexual	i want to see the v v video of um ah danny at this err cornerence	[04:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 119 @ 0.00301 = 0.3582 BTC [+]	[04:23]
Vexual	i shoulkn't joke really, the only public speaking i ever do is when im three sheets to the wind, and i havn't been invited	[04:24]
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nubbins`	it's definitely a skill	[04:24]
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Vexual	is danny the main guy or the talkie face?	[04:26]
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Vexual	there at lease looks like the possiblity of some value in their tech infrastructure already	[04:29]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth	[04:32]
gribble	(eauth ) -- Initiate authentication for user . You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	;;eauth mircea_popescu	[04:32]
gribble	Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452	[04:32]
Vexual	logo on the eftpos and shit	[04:32]
mircea_popescu	;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:fd5b35a2d2c684170319ac0b7d6e11bf98998e51958e5964a401066e	[04:33]
gribble	You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452	[04:33]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhN93rFZuJs	[04:35]
ozbot	Business Time - Flight Of The Conchords (Lyrics) - YouTube	[04:35]
Vexual	i need a business that needs lots of capital so i can ipo like all the cool kids	[04:48]
mircea_popescu	an oil tanker factory.	[04:49]
Vexual	doesnt sound risky enough	[04:49]
mircea_popescu	prolly cost 10 bn to make one.	[04:49]
Duffer1	offer consulting services, fill the prospectus with words like synergize, ipo	[04:49]
Duffer1	risky for who?	[04:50]
asciilifeform	launch satellites. doesn't get much more risky than that.	[04:50]
Vexual	i already do, and my costs are low	[04:50]
asciilifeform	what's the state of the art? 20% failure?	[04:50]
Vexual	that more like it	[04:50]
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Vexual	wheres cheapest to launch? im sick of this place	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	seriously, romania launched a fucxking satellite.	[04:51]
mircea_popescu	this shit is not as hard as making asics.	[04:51]
Vexual	nope	[04:51]
Vexual	making a good satellite is harder than getting it up	[04:52]
nubbins`	there's a launch pad in french guyana	[04:52]
nubbins`	nice weather down there	[04:52]
nubbins`	expensive tho	[04:52]
Vexual	a launchpad is just a concrete slab with predictable waether	[04:52]
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nubbins`	nod	[04:53]
nubbins`	well i think it's actually a fully-fledged spaceport	[04:53]
nubbins`	whatever that entails	[04:53]
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nubbins`	a few vending machines in the lobby, at least	[04:53]
Vexual	google still doing that low orbit free internet for plebs thing?	[04:53]
nubbins`	not sure if joking	[04:54]
Vexual	paid for by the local goat butcher	[04:54]
Vexual	they were planning to have an array across 35deg south or something so they can get africa	[04:54]
Vexual	sending em up with ballons	[04:55]
nubbins`	Vexual: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIw7oeZKpZc	[04:55]
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nubbins`	that's one song	[04:55]
nubbins`	63:35	[04:55]
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Vexual	sounds like the soundtrack to the road to the place that wolf creek was based on	[05:00]
Vexual	1000km north of woomera through the desert	[05:01]
Vexual	no greeting but a donkey with hooves growing through its knees, and no pies	[05:01]
Vexual	flee immediately	[05:02]
nubbins`	no vocals until 8:something	[05:03]
nubbins`	the story here is that this band went to their label	[05:04]
nubbins`	"here's our new album"	[05:04]
nubbins`	a single 63-minute track	[05:04]
nubbins`	label says "no, go fuck yourselves"	[05:04]
Vexual	that was the reply when i enquired about pies	[05:04]
thestringpuller	;;bc,stats	[05:04]
thestringpuller	.d	[05:04]
gribble	Current Blocks: 273123 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 1052 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 7 hours, 11 minutes, and 8 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 870647259.088 \| Estimated Percent Change: 23.07564	[05:04]
nubbins`	haha	[05:05]
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mircea_popescu	so did that stephen guy ever manage to short bitcoin ?	[05:05]
thestringpuller	;;calc (870647259.088 * .23) + 870647259.088	[05:05]
gribble	1070896128.68	[05:05]
nubbins`	then it was eventually released on another label chopped into a half dozen tracks	[05:05]
nubbins`	and then 4 years later in its original form	[05:05]
twizt	sup guys	[05:06]
Vexual	you're extra newbie friendly lately mp	[05:06]
nubbins`	ah, stephen didn't seem like he was ready to pull the trigger	[05:06]
nubbins`	hey twizt	[05:06]
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mircea_popescu	Vexual i've always been newbie friendly	[05:07]
Duffer1	that gave me a good laugh :P	[05:07]
Duffer1	have you seen your website?	[05:08]
Duffer1	<3	[05:08]
nubbins`	newbs only get confused by shiny things	[05:08]
Vexual	do you still have the wallet of your first transaction mp? remember the date?	[05:08]
twizt	i was curious about something, and was wondering if you guys had any idea. are there legit bitcoin crowdfunding places? like instead of selling shares sell the actual product, like kickstart. i was looking at bitcoin ipos but most of those sites seem to go down fast and they issue shares/bonds with HYIP like returns lol	[05:09]
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mircea_popescu	not so far.	[05:09]
nubbins`	twizt: i think there's a "bitcoinstarter". usual caveats apply	[05:09]
nubbins`	nothing i'd feel comfortable sending money to	[05:09]
twizt	im trying to start a hot sauce company	[05:09]
Vexual	what do you wanna fund twista?	[05:09]
Vexual	you havent got $30?	[05:09]
mircea_popescu	mustard and ketchup in the same bottle ?	[05:09]
twizt	lol nah	[05:09]
Duffer1	it's a multi layered barrier because you're dealing with security noobs, securities noobs, crypto currency noobs, and noob traders	[05:10]
twizt	ive actually put serious effort into it	[05:10]
nubbins`	sriracha sauce?!	[05:10]
twizt	nubbins`: better man	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	Duffer1 well i took him to mean verbally.	[05:10]
nubbins`	;)	[05:10]
nubbins`	GOCHUJANG?!?!	[05:10]
twizt	haha	[05:10]
Duffer1	oh ya i agree then	[05:10]
twizt	id rather sell the sauce than shares ;x	[05:10]
mircea_popescu	so put a website together and sell the sauce.	[05:10]
Vexual	u got the sauce all bottled up?	[05:11]
twizt	i did 25 sample batch..	[05:11]
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Vexual	thats $125 dollars right there	[05:11]
twizt	@ a co packer in NYC	[05:11]
nubbins`	what size bottle	[05:11]
nubbins`	cost, flavor, etc?	[05:11]
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mircea_popescu	nubbins` elk's vomit. specially engineered for the canadian conoisseur.	[05:12]
Vexual	oooh have they been eating fairy mushrooms?	[05:12]
nubbins`	ah, yes. the first peoples call this majestic animal "wapiti"	[05:12]
twizt	nah its legit. you can whois my domain and get a lot of info about me	[05:12]
twizt	lol	[05:12]
nubbins`	never tried the vomit. have eaten the meat	[05:12]
mircea_popescu	twizt so you got a site, is it selling any ?	[05:12]
nubbins`	have also tried the mushrooms	[05:12]
twizt	mircea_popescu: only to friends and fam so far	[05:13]
nubbins`	fun until they're NO FUN	[05:13]
nubbins`	if you get what i mean	[05:13]
twizt	can't sell retail yet, not ready	[05:13]
Vexual	what do you need money for twista? a run of 1million?	[05:13]
dexX7	https://www.facebook.com/Newegg/posts/10152063129624168 + https://www.facebook.com/TigerDirect/posts/10151765930733639 wow	[05:13]
twizt	nah not even	[05:13]
nubbins`	twizt: you might have some success just hustling in the forums and on reddit	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	speaking of sriracha,	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	http://www.presstelegram.com/environment-and-nature/20131204/sriracha-operations-can-continue-if-it-doesnt-smell-irwindale-says	[05:13]
ozbot	Sriracha hot sauce operations can continue if it doesn’t smell, Irwindale says	[05:13]
twizt	yea it sucks trying to market a product no one has tried before	[05:13]
nubbins`	ah yeah! it was pretty touch-and-go for a while mp	[05:13]
mircea_popescu	twizt practically, search the forum for "mpoe-pr see here"	[05:14]
nubbins`	apparently that's the only factory that still uses fresh chilis	[05:14]
twizt	but people who tried it keep asking for more bottles and i dont have funds to go and make more ;	[05:14]
twizt	like what would make u guys wanna pay for a hotsauce u never tried before lol	[05:14]
twizt	(market research mode)	[05:14]
Vexual	how old are ya twista?	[05:14]
twizt	26	[05:15]
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Duffer1	oo what kind of sauce	[05:15]
thestringpuller	lol newegg got trolled	[05:15]
thestringpuller	that's awesome	[05:15]
nubbins`	honestly, the flavour and the packaging	[05:15]
thestringpuller	bitcoin bitcoin #bitcoin	[05:15]
Vexual	so i guess the bottles are $10 then?	[05:15]
nubbins`	are what would sway me	[05:15]
twizt	no hold on	[05:15]
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nubbins`	twizt: you should get a hundred or so bottles made, and start giving them away to restaurants	[05:16]
Duffer1	twizt hotwings recipe would get me to try it	[05:16]
Vexual	yeah go bulk	[05:16]
nubbins`	huy fong was exclusively a restaurant sauce for years	[05:16]
twizt	i havits about $8 for 16oz jar	[05:16]
nubbins`	and now you see red bottles w/ green caps everywhere	[05:16]
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twizt	Duffer1: what do you mean?	[05:17]
nubbins`	16oz, what's that in real units	[05:17]
nubbins`	ah, 473ml	[05:17]
Vexual	half a kilo	[05:17]
twizt	16oz mason jars	[05:17]
twizt	its organic ingredients so i get raped in that regard	[05:17]
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twizt	if didnt use organic it would be down to about $5 per 16oz	[05:17]
nubbins`	even better, hustle it to vegan restaurants	[05:17]
Duffer1	twizt either part of the packaging or marketing, a good looking recipe would probably move me to buy	[05:18]
twizt	Duffer1: you mean on the sauce itself?	[05:18]
Vexual	i would have thouight inorganic capsicums would be more expensive	[05:18]
Duffer1	ya or website, but i don't even know what kind of sauce we're talking about here	[05:18]
Vexual	benzene aint cheap	[05:18]
twizt	im using vinegar and perservative	[05:19]
asciilifeform	wtf is inorganic capsaicin?	[05:19]
twizt	and shelf life isnt long	[05:19]
twizt	about 30 days	[05:19]
Vexual	semantics	[05:19]
asciilifeform	some equivalent for silicon-based alien life?	[05:19]
twizt	Duffer1: can I PM you and show you my website (i dont want to put it on blast here)	[05:19]
Duffer1	cool i'd like that	[05:20]
nubbins`	hm	[05:20]
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nubbins`	if it's got a 30 day shelf life	[05:20]
nubbins`	you don't have NEARLY enough salt in there	[05:20]
nubbins`	hot sauce should be non-perishable	[05:20]
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snackman	hey mircea_popescu	[05:21]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform you know it's been synthetised for like a century.	[05:21]
snackman	why exactly is this necessary:	[05:21]
snackman	"Incoming Bitcoin that doesn't exactly match a quoted sum will be simply kept, reported as profits and distributed to MPEx shareholders."	[05:21]
snackman	found here: http://mpex.co/faq.html	[05:21]
asciilifeform	synthetic, but still organic	[05:21]
nubbins`	snackman: part of using a communal deposit address	[05:21]
twizt	nubbins`: its more like a hot sauce dip, its heady, not water like	[05:22]
nubbins`	ah	[05:22]
twizt	hardy*	[05:22]
agamemnon23	alecpap AndrewJackson Apocalyptic arij asciilifeform assbot AusBitBank Azelphur	[05:22]
asciilifeform	or was this about the other sense of 'organic'	[05:22]
snackman	nubbins`: but it's kind of dangerous, make a typo and loose a couple grand	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform a that's what you meant. well yeah	[05:22]
nubbins`	snackman: well, ya know.	[05:22]
Vexual	newver trust the chemist at the farmers market	[05:22]
nubbins`	best be careful :)	[05:22]
mircea_popescu	snackman if you're gonna make typos use a broker.	[05:22]
snackman	mircea_popescu: are there btc brokers?	[05:22]
asciilifeform	dry clean shop on my street has a sign, no joke: 'we use /only/ organic solvents!'	[05:22]
nubbins`	organic = made from organs	[05:23]
nubbins`	like haggis	[05:23]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[05:23]
Vexual	lol	[05:23]
Vexual	or acetone, im not sure what happened to your suit sir, its all organic	[05:23]
asciilifeform	i suppose if you want your shirts washed in molten sodium, you'll have to go elsewhere.	[05:23]
snackman	mircea_popescu: also, what's up with my 10btc?	[05:24]
mircea_popescu	lol molten sodium. that'll definitely cost more than the suit.	[05:24]
Vexual	premium unleaded + heat = clean	[05:24]
nubbins`	nothing cleans like VOCs and flame!	[05:25]
KRS\|gotyawallet	Ah, Japan.. http://i.imgur.com/K74v1U4.jpg	[05:26]
snackman	mircea_popescu: ?	[05:26]
twizt	you guys mentioned getting a buzz on reddit, how does one do that without looking like a complete jackass?	[05:26]
nubbins`	pretty hit and miss	[05:26]
Vexual	thats what fucked up graets flow, a trip to japan	[05:26]
nubbins`	it's luck of the draw, really	[05:26]
nubbins`	twizt: you should probably start local	[05:27]
snackman	mircea_popescu: i see somebody got scared of the psychoanalysis ;)	[05:27]
nubbins`	give samples to restaurants, especially hippie ones, and give samples to local food critics too	[05:27]
nubbins`	don't push it on em like a mope, just say hey, i've got this great organic sauce, try it out and let me know what you think	[05:27]
Vexual	catch the indian and thai and fusion cheps about quarter to 5	[05:27]
twizt	lol	[05:28]
nubbins`	^ this too	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	dude those legs	[05:28]
nubbins`	no joke	[05:28]
snackman!@	added to ignore list.	[05:28]
Vexual	u been mp?	[05:28]
mircea_popescu	to japan ? nah.	[05:28]
Vexual	you know they have portable computers now right?	[05:29]
nubbins`	they look like kim kardashian's	[05:29]
nubbins`	i visited japan once, very costly	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	i don't care for their crampy lifestyle.	[05:29]
mircea_popescu	i like roofs over 2.5meters.	[05:29]
Vexual	my old master did it on the cheap in 62, sleeping bag on the railway platform	[05:30]
Vexual	searching for jujo dojos	[05:30]
Vexual	you get adopted	[05:31]
twizt	whats mpoe-pr mircea_popescu ?	[05:31]
nubbins`	ask krs, he posted the link	[05:32]
mircea_popescu	well exactly what it says on the tin, the pr for mpoe.	[05:32]
Vexual	japan has no answer	[05:32]
nubbins`	koreans HATE the japanese	[05:33]
nubbins`	full-on hate	[05:33]
mircea_popescu	the women too, or just the men ?	[05:33]
nubbins`	all of them	[05:33]
nubbins`	korean women especially hate japanese	[05:34]
mircea_popescu	http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/broken-drug-pipe-in-vagina-576432	[05:35]
ozbot	Hidden Glass Meth Pipe Causes A Bloody Mess \| The Smoking Gun	[05:35]
twizt	i dont even kno what that is, unfortunately	[05:35]
mircea_popescu	twizt listen, bitcoin doesn't work in the way you intend to use it, "i have an idea"	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	nobody cares about your idea, nor does it at all matter.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	sink the time to learn about bitcoin, which means like a year.	[05:36]
mircea_popescu	then maybe you may have an idea.	[05:36]
nubbins`	satochick	[05:37]
nubbins`	groan	[05:37]
Vexual	got coin?	[05:37]
nubbins`	who needs pictures when you have those fiery words?	[05:37]
nubbins`	i bet she fights when she's drunk	[05:38]
mircea_popescu	hawt sauce.	[05:38]
Vexual	i doubt she dets drunk	[05:38]
Vexual	the faireer sex has a different venacular when delicacies are involved	[05:39]
nubbins`	mircea_popescu: what's a good drunk set you back in romania?	[05:39]
twizt	well its more like a product im trying to market that no one has tried, than an idea. lol	[05:39]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13138 @ 0.00080663 = 10.5975 BTC [-] {2}	[05:39]
nubbins`	dollar-wise	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` i just bought a gallon of tzuika, it's ~110 proof, pure plum juice.	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	it cost me a grand total of,	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	wait for it,	[05:39]
nubbins`	ah, plum booze, +1	[05:39]
mircea_popescu	3 bitcents	[05:39]
nubbins`	ah, not bad	[05:40]
nubbins`	so essentially you can kill yourself for $10	[05:40]
Vexual	no homo	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	nah, this shit doesn't kill you.	[05:40]
mircea_popescu	but you could get plastered for that, sure.	[05:40]
nubbins`	i dunno, if i drank 500ml of pure ethanol i'd be in sad shape	[05:41]
nubbins`	either way, that's pretty cheap	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	(i did once drink a liter of the stuff in one sitting. walked out)	[05:41]
nubbins`	there's minimum-price legislation here for booze	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	this is quite illegal, bought it from the guy that made it.	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	im sure he didn't pay the excise.	[05:41]
nubbins`	ah, yes indeed	[05:41]
nubbins`	apples are more common for that type of thing here	[05:41]
mircea_popescu	apple stuff is about half price	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	and for good reason	[05:42]
Vexual	can you get good tobacco there?	[05:42]
nubbins`	tastes like boiled down candy	[05:42]
nubbins`	fucks you up	[05:42]
nubbins`	i enjoy drinking large amounts of liquid, so i stick to beer	[05:42]
mircea_popescu	twizt that's fine and all, but you gotta understand, fmcg is a business, the distribution and marketing part is what counts.	[05:43]
mircea_popescu	it never comes down to "who can make the better sauce". it's a business.	[05:43]
nubbins`	nod	[05:43]
nubbins`	i'll likely never taste my favourite sauce	[05:43]
nubbins`	nor hear my favourite band	[05:43]
nubbins`	but im sure they both existed at some point	[05:44]
Vexual	u just got a b.marketing twista	[05:44]
nubbins`	liquors of the world	[05:44]
nubbins`	i had some homemade lemon gin a couple weeks ago	[05:44]
twizt	yea thats my problem.. gotta give away a few grand of merch to get a following	[05:45]
nubbins`	twizt: what size town/city do you live in?	[05:45]
twizt	lol my marketing plan in a nutshell	[05:45]
twizt	nubbins`: about 130k	[05:45]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2409 @ 0.00011971 = 0.2884 BTC [-] {3}	[05:46]
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nubbins`	honestly, it depends on how many years of your life you plan on spending at this	[05:46]
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twizt	nubbins`: my plan is to make another large batch (unemployed atm) and go after grocery store chains	[05:47]
ozbot	Erin Pavlina	[05:47]
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Vexual	http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs38/f/2008/343/5/3/Vampirella_of_Draculon_by_JoeJusko.jpg	[05:47]
nubbins`	suppose a grocery wants 1000 units a month, can you do that?	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	twizt chains will definitely not shelf you. go after restaurants as someone suggested.	[05:47]
mircea_popescu	preferably immigrant run small affairs.	[05:48]
nubbins`	well, grocery chains here often have a small local section	[05:48]
twizt	nah they will, i just need to work with a food scientist for shelf life expansion	[05:48]
nubbins`	granted, never very large	[05:48]
twizt	and they want the organic cert (farm to table crap)	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	so they will except they won't. listen, you gotta be "in" to get there.	[05:48]
mircea_popescu	they don't take walkins	[05:49]
nubbins`	read "EskimoBob", stopped reading	[05:49]
nubbins`	srsly	[05:49]
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twizt	mircea_popescu: actually ez to get into stores, if you have right packaging, etc.	[05:49]
Vexual	chefs hand at the back door at the start of the night	[05:49]
twizt	and i havent even invested in packaging	[05:49]
dexX7	speaking of that	[05:49]
dexX7	i'd love to see ROTA 2	[05:49]
nubbins`	snackman: you forgot your article	[05:49]
Vexual	chefs do they buying	[05:49]
mircea_popescu	dexX7 me too.	[05:50]
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nubbins`	snackman: no, before "court"	[05:50]
nubbins`	snackman: you forgot your article before "court"	[05:51]
Vexual	fail claims	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,diff	[05:51]
gribble	Error: "bc,diff" is not a valid command.	[05:51]
mircea_popescu	;;bc,stats	[05:52]
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gribble	Current Blocks: 273131 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 1044 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 4 hours, 15 minutes, and 37 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 872815197.383 \| Estimated Percent Change: 23.3821	[05:52]
nubbins`	snackman: you didn't use an article before the noun	[05:53]
nubbins`	well, no, in that case, the definite article is implied	[05:54]
nubbins`	leel	[05:54]
nubbins`	the link you posted says he lost in a court	[05:54]
nubbins`	the internet!!	[05:54]
ThickAsThieves	hot sauce that expires?!	[05:55]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00080516 = 16.1837 BTC [-] {2}	[05:55]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves you know even habaneros mold.	[05:55]
ThickAsThieves	not in vinegar	[05:55]
ThickAsThieves	does it contain bacteria from volcanoes for flavor?	[05:55]
nubbins`	heh, ground pumice	[05:55]
Vexual	ive got some in the boat in a vegemite jar i made, 10 years old, lid hasnt poped yet	[05:56]
nubbins`	that'd provide some heat	[05:56]
mike_c	nubbins speaks canadien	[05:56]
Vexual	wouldnt eat it unless scurvy tho	[05:57]
nubbins`	quite well	[05:57]
nubbins`	although i do drop the occasional 'u'	[05:57]
mircea_popescu	actually... obsydian jars...	[05:57]
ThickAsThieves	;;nethash	[06:00]
gribble	6400549.04237	[06:00]
ThickAsThieves	hasnt changed in two days	[06:00]
Vexual	science probability model is broken, everyone knows that	[06:02]
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mircea_popescu	it's not going to change as long as the diff isn't changing	[06:02]
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Vexual	want an android app to wake you up TAT?	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	for?	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	i dont use alarms	[06:03]
Vexual	im teasing	[06:03]
ThickAsThieves	what a horrible way to start your day	[06:04]
Vexual	you lose, you lose	[06:04]
unbalanced	Is the last commentor at http://bitbet.us/bet/598/1-btc-will-surpass-price-of-1-troy/ right? I know it didn't make it back on the 1st but it looks like they did cross a couple of hours ago.	[06:04]
unbalanced	Time zones and really really bad Kitco charts make it a little hard to tell	[06:05]
Vexual	im close to the dateline, so im not allowed to bet	[06:05]
unbalanced	A moment in history, bitfolk.	[06:05]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced quite possiblty it did cross	[06:05]
unbalanced	snackman there might still be time you should totally go for it	[06:06]
mircea_popescu	prolly have a result tomorrow.	[06:06]
unbalanced	I believe you	[06:07]
Vexual	want me to put it on? i can do it yesterday	[06:07]
unbalanced	Picking up pennies in front of a steamroller	[06:07]
Vexual	but it will take me about 3 weeks to get to fiji, you'll have to pay expoenses	[06:08]
ThickAsThieves	it looks like it did cross	[06:08]
unbalanced	snackman, just in case you're not joking, I was: It. Already. Happened.	[06:09]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPRzrjwetX0 we gon smoke an ounce to this	[06:09]
ozbot	Snoop Doggy Dogg - Gin & Juice. With Lyrics - YouTube	[06:09]
ThickAsThieves	The Chronic by Dr. Dre is seriously overrated. There, I said it.	[06:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34001001 BTC [-]	[06:11]
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nubbins`	http://bitbet.us/bet/355/us-federal-minimum-wage-will-be-raised-above/	[06:13]
ozbot	BitBet - US Federal Minimum Wage will be raised above $7.25 by the end of 2013	[06:13]
nubbins`	ah, what's the us federal minimum wage right now?	[06:14]
ThickAsThieves	I have no secondary education, well, none that I paid for.	[06:14]
nubbins`	lel	[06:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 63 @ 0.00320045 = 0.2016 BTC [-] {4}	[06:14]
nubbins`	don't confuse education with intelligence	[06:14]
Vexual	theyre almost inversly proportional by accepted definitions	[06:15]
unbalanced	nubbins: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/obama-minimum-wage-increase-protests	[06:15]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02232 = 0.1116 BTC [-]	[06:15]
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ThickAsThieves	I bet against that one too	[06:16]
ThickAsThieves	http://bitbet.us/bet/355/us-federal-minimum-wage-will-be-raised-above/	[06:16]
ozbot	BitBet - US Federal Minimum Wage will be raised above $7.25 by the end of 2013	[06:16]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 64 @ 0.0030165 = 0.1931 BTC [+]	[06:16]
Vexual	aka meth futures	[06:17]
unbalanced	I don't see it happening before New Year's Eve (min wage)	[06:17]
nubbins`	a rise in min wage is annoying for big companies, dangerous for small companies	[06:17]
mircea_popescu	sooo... -18 F for denver tonight	[06:17]
Vexual	fuck	[06:18]
nubbins`	imagine if your biggest expense went up by 39%!	[06:18]
nubbins`	oh wow, that's cold	[06:18]
ThickAsThieves	thats the only thing shitty about Colorado, the weather can kill you in so many ways	[06:18]
Vexual	i havent seen <+18c for a year	[06:18]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` people who predominantly pay minimum wage mostly use undocumented illegals anyway	[06:18]
Vexual	so if you fall asleep coming home fromt the pub u die?	[06:19]
ThickAsThieves	and small businesses that only pay minimum wage go out of business eventually anywya	[06:19]
unbalanced	Raising the min wage hurts the least skilled workers... fewer opportunities to work if employers are banned from paying what they're worth.	[06:19]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=mircea_popescu&sign=ANY&type=RECV take that!	[06:19]
nubbins`	well, i mean, it's 7.25 now, suppose you're paying everyone 9.25	[06:19]
Vexual	show us something trustless bitcoiner	[06:19]
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nubbins`	and the min wage goes up to 10.10	[06:20]
nubbins`	so you either give them a raise to min wage and be an asshole, or raise them to, say, 12.10	[06:20]
ThickAsThieves	so "fair" is the problem?	[06:21]
nubbins`	oh, no	[06:21]
Vexual	id be getting a license and pumping the photo active radiation if i was in america	[06:21]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` you're closing shop anyway, becauyse you can't afford obamacare.	[06:21]
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unbalanced	If washing the floors say isn't worth paying someone $10/hr to do, then people won't get hired to do that. (Or far fewer people will as the floors will get washed less often.)	[06:21]
nubbins`	just making the point that a raise in minimum wage generally means a raise in non-minimum wage	[06:21]
unbalanced	agreed	[06:21]
nubbins`	so even if you're not one of these soon-to-be-out-of-business places paying min wage	[06:21]
nubbins`	you're taking the same hit in the pocketbook	[06:21]
Vexual	i jest mp, in a world of masturbators, you innovated	[06:22]
ThickAsThieves	they arent forcing you to give everyone a raise	[06:22]
unbalanced	And it reduces the employement opportunities for the least-skilled workers, the ones it's supposed to help.	[06:22]
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nubbins`	mircea_popescu: at 7.25/hr, i'm not sure how anybody's affording anything	[06:22]
mircea_popescu	unbalanced they got robots now.	[06:22]
ThickAsThieves	7.25 costs the US more than 10	[06:22]
nubbins`	nod	[06:22]
nubbins`	^^	[06:22]
nubbins`	can we underline that?	[06:22]
unbalanced	where "washing the floors" = "insert some min wage job here"	[06:23]
thestringpuller	lol	[06:23]
Vexual	so you can buy a house in detroit for about a months labour on minimum wage?	[06:23]
mircea_popescu	Vexual no, but you can buy it for about twenny bjs	[06:23]
Vexual	that place will quickly learn to innovate again	[06:24]
nubbins`	mad max style	[06:24]
Duffer1	hehe	[06:24]
Vexual	thats not a bad idea	[06:24]
unbalanced	nubbins should you save BTC for the 1B difficulty bet though?	[06:24]
nubbins`	well, i mean	[06:24]
Vexual	ratters outta detroit	[06:24]
nubbins`	they've got all the cars	[06:24]
ThickAsThieves	after every unpaid vendor to the city folds and gangs up with Mel Gibson	[06:24]
nubbins`	unbalanced: me personally, or me in general?	[06:24]
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nubbins`	sorry, we don't have the words in english ;(	[06:25]
Vexual	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2DJwMcVj_w	[06:25]
ozbot	my model A roadster hot rod - YouTube	[06:25]
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nubbins`	although you hear some people say "ye" for the plural of you	[06:25]
ThickAsThieves	youtube links are like the most unappealing links to me	[06:25]
Vexual	they just need someone who can read the design criteria and provide rice	[06:25]
unbalanced	I mean several bets end around the end ot the month	[06:25]
nubbins`	heh	[06:25]
unbalanced	The diff one pays better than the others	[06:26]
nubbins`	log.bitcoin-assets.com links for me	[06:26]
unbalanced	And ends sooner	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	so ? they're prepaid	[06:26]
Vexual	sorry TAT, i have to authenticate myself somehow	[06:26]
ThickAsThieves	heh	[06:26]
unbalanced	If you're looking at where to put new bets	[06:26]
nubbins`	i'm not ;/	[06:26]
ThickAsThieves	keep betting on Yes so I can take your money	[06:26]
Vexual	get a case of whisky and relex for a few weeks	[06:27]
mircea_popescu	if the diff ends up 9999999666 or some shit,	[06:27]
Vexual	buy some records and a sweet bag of hooter	[06:27]
unbalanced	ThickAsThieves, quoting pancakke's smug Costanza avatar: Do you even mine?	[06:28]
unbalanced	These nailbiters are exciting to watch.	[06:29]
mircea_popescu	he doesn;'t, which is why he's on no. the miners are on yes.	[06:29]
unbalanced	I know, I just wanted to quote that quote, I laugh every time I see it.	[06:29]
Vexual	i think graet and yuko are hocked to the nines, thats why diff stay same	[06:30]
unbalanced	It was a stretch here, sure.	[06:30]
mircea_popescu	anyway, that's all for me. take it ezzy all.	[06:30]
unbalanced	g'night	[06:30]
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mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves ghash.io is not run by bitfury, no	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	exactly in the sense the hash exchange wasn't run by pirate.	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	and for that matter, anyone can send hashing to ghash, it being a pool.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	that you send some hashing their way means exactly nothing in any sense.	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	bloctoc the bot only quotes when it can get a datafeed. if it can't it doesn't quote, and its previous quotes expire	[13:31]
mircea_popescu	hello davout	[13:33]
mircea_popescu	usd 24h vwap 1023.03 7day vwap 1023.74. seems we're stabilizing.	[13:34]
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ThickAsThieves	lol China is playing the FUD game now I see	[13:45]
ThickAsThieves	I wonder how many coins they are buying	[13:45]
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thestringpuller	usd 24h vwap 1023.03 7day vwap 1023.74. << possibly a good time to underwrite options?	[13:46]
thestringpuller	sell deep puts to the bot lol	[13:46]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves actually, the legislative strategy of the chinese governments ever since the days of confucius was,	[13:47]
mircea_popescu	make strong worded, vaguie proclamations. this will encourage they who do things they think are wrong to desist,	[13:47]
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mircea_popescu	without forcing the bureaucracy to actually explain what is wrong and how to identify it.	[13:47]
thestringpuller	!ticker m s.mpoe	[13:47]
assbot	[MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00079975 / 0.00080781 / 0.00081785 (177732 shares, 143.57 BTC), 7D: 0.00078278 / 0.00080056 / 0.0008476 (1566139 shares, 1,253.80 BTC), 30D: 0.0007725 / 0.0008174 / 0.00088996 (5865320 shares, 4,794.36 BTC)	[13:47]
ThickAsThieves	so I read this as banks and the general financial market cant play bitcoin, but everyone else can, including gox	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	iy	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	well, the govt kinda owns the banks	[13:48]
mircea_popescu	so it's really more like, if you make a loss trading bitcoin we'll shoot you. if you make a gain we'll maybe promote you, we'll see about that, don't bet on it.	[13:49]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[13:49]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, who knows. i don't trust my grasp of the chinese intricacies much.	[13:49]
mircea_popescu	unlike the us, these people have had over three thousand years to complicate things.	[13:50]
ThickAsThieves	nor google translate	[13:50]
ThickAsThieves	is there a "real" translation somewhere?	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	no i actually have people that speak the language peering at it for me.	[13:50]
mircea_popescu	this is a serious operation.	[13:50]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 39 @ 0.00324999 = 0.1267 BTC [-]	[13:54]
ThickAsThieves	i dont understand what has even changed with this announcment	[13:55]
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mircea_popescu	well, it specifies chinese banks are not to use bitcoin as a currency, as the chief point.	[13:58]
ThickAsThieves	were they?	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	which you know, kinda matches rthe fincen earlier report. bitcoin is, all the pretense of interested parties to the contrary, not a currency,	[13:58]
mircea_popescu	as ruled on trilema, oct 6 2012.	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	not afaik, no.	[13:59]
ThickAsThieves	what did you rule it, a commodity?	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	wow gold	[13:59]
ThickAsThieves	ah yes	[13:59]
mircea_popescu	anyway, some people were contemplating vehicles such as funds	[13:59]
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ThickAsThieves	so this means the US will def approve the winklething	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	the chinese do have a serious problem, in the following sense : it's a highly competitive society, much more so than the us was in the 50s. people are very performance driven.	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	the economic situation is dire, the finances are in a mess. everyone is earnestly looking for ways to conserve capital values	[14:00]
mircea_popescu	had this pronouncement not been made, we could have ended up with a rush from chinese provincial authorities buying bitcoins and erecting miner farms	[14:01]
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mircea_popescu	so if anything it's good, in that it balances out the govt battle, because the us (all its pretense to the contrary) could not have kept up.	[14:01]
mircea_popescu	in this sense it subtly strengthens bitcoin, because it's current value and recent explosion are both due to the little secret made public also on trilema, ie govts involved.	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	as long as there remains balance bitcoin will do ok.	[14:02]
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ThickAsThieves	tldr CHEAP COINZ	[14:02]
mircea_popescu	more like, "the chinese central authorities are not exactly asleep, and picked the right course".	[14:04]
mircea_popescu	anyway, one point that is perhaps not directly obvious to foreigners is that china contains about 10mn people who have the authority to spend various amounts of public funds.	[14:06]
mircea_popescu	it's a strange mix between a command economy and a market economy, and managing it looks more like herding 10mn cats.	[14:06]
thestringpuller	that's a really good observation	[14:07]
thestringpuller	know what i'm sayin'?	[14:07]
mircea_popescu	:p	[14:07]
ThickAsThieves	easy to herd cats if you pavlov them with treats	[14:07]
ThickAsThieves	I can whistle and all my animals come to me	[14:08]
mircea_popescu	this is what they did so far. the problem is there's a finite bulk of treats, and they're trying to soft land it atm	[14:08]
thestringpuller	http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-21/chinas-ghost-cities-are-multiplying << so apparently the chinese like bubbles?	[14:09]
thestringpuller	http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2012/05/China%20Cement.jpg << this graph is kinda funny	[14:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.3449 = 0.6898 BTC [+]	[14:10]
mircea_popescu	well more like can't easily avoid them	[14:11]
mircea_popescu	the westerners love bubbles, and they could EASILY avoid them	[14:11]
thestringpuller	don't you think the chinese would have learned after building the first ghost city that it doesn't work though?	[14:13]
thestringpuller	so couldn't they easily avoid the real estate bubble they are creating?	[14:13]
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ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[14:15]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1044.00001, Best ask: 1046.9999, Bid-ask spread: 2.99989, Last trade: 1049.4, 24 hour volume: 47832.40001050, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1082.84601	[14:15]
ThickAsThieves	looks like US is still bullish	[14:15]
mircea_popescu	i doubt they went "o hey, know what'd be cool ? if we built a ghost city!"	[14:15]
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mircea_popescu	thestringpuller http://trilema.com/2013/notorious-mp-layin-down-that-subliminal-shit-na-mean/#comment-96545	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	mwahah	[14:21]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.0007965 = 11.2705 BTC [-]	[14:21]
mircea_popescu	am i pretty fly for a white guy or what.	[14:22]
ThickAsThieves	ha!	[14:25]
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ThickAsThieves	http://www.latribune.fr/actualites/economie/france/20131205trib000799423/la-banque-de-france-demonetise-le-bitcoin.html	[14:27]
ThickAsThieves	France singing along	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	my ring feels well kissed.	[14:28]
mircea_popescu	ESPECIALLY seeing all the intervening experts in their own head in the past 13 months opining on the topic as if they knew better.	[14:29]
ThickAsThieves	Have you heard of the " LOYAL3 Social IPO platform"	[14:33]
ThickAsThieves	my mom got this email from a large US Movie Theater corp: "To our AMC Stubs members,	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	AMC Entertainment Holdings, Inc., the parent company for AMC Theatres, is going public. We are reserving a number of shares in our initial public stock offering (IPO) for you, our most loyal customers, to reserve on a first-come, first-serve basis. The price per share will be determined by negotiations between us and the underwriters of the IPO, but it will be the same price per share	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	as offered to Wall Street investors.	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	We will also give you the same 24-hour head start our employees will receive, in order to ensure you have the earliest opportunity to reserve shares at the offering price. While many companies depend on their customers' support every day, those customers don't always get the chance to own a piece of the action at the same price as Wall Street investors. We're offering this exclusive	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	employee benefit to our AMC Stubs members to express our sincere gratitude for your loyalty.	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	If this interests you, please click here to learn more.	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	Please note that to execute this idea, we have opted to use the LOYAL3 Social IPO platform, an innovative new way to bring IPOs to market, where you can buy from $100 to $2,500 of our stock, and sell stock, with no fees. "	[14:34]
ThickAsThieves	sounds like something from the forums	[14:34]
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Duffer1	i can't help but feel it's a pr stunt to drum up value to major investors	[14:53]
ThickAsThieves	its also a way to check the temperature	[14:54]
Duffer1	look even the proles get a piece, give us attention	[14:54]
ThickAsThieves	they ask you to contact them if interested	[14:54]
ThickAsThieves	this may give them some info on how people value it	[14:54]
ThickAsThieves	of course the people they are asking arent even the target audience for their stock...	[14:54]
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Duffer1	i guess i shouldn't knock it until the amount of shares to be made available in this way is known, i'd be shocked if it was more than 2% of the company	[14:55]
ThickAsThieves	i'd be shocked if their Stubs holders and employees could afford 2%	[14:56]
Duffer1	mm good point	[14:56]
ThickAsThieves	tis an interesting email tho	[14:57]
ThickAsThieves	this China release explicitly explains that bitcoin is not money, but also explicitly states that bitcoin exchanges must use anti-"money" laundering measures	[14:57]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose fiat is the money in that case	[14:57]
ThickAsThieves	nvm	[14:57]
ThickAsThieves	a lil derpy this morning	[14:58]
ThickAsThieves	coffee time	[14:58]
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mircea_popescu	sooo, i wake up, there's a turkey in the oven	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	i end up having stuffed turkey for breakfast with a few slices of camembert	[15:03]
mircea_popescu	this WORKS omg. davout you gotta try it.	[15:03]
ThickAsThieves	did you hear about the toejam cheese?	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves don't go trippin on the camembert yo	[15:06]
ThickAsThieves	while i dont eat cheese anymore, i always preferred the very sharp, hard stuff	[15:07]
ThickAsThieves	like mimolette	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	this was young, but it had possibly the finest velvet micelium i've yet seen.	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	why not eat cheese anyway ? it's what made us white folk smart enough to rule all the other races.	[15:08]
ThickAsThieves	well, i dont think you really want me to answer that	[15:08]
ThickAsThieves	like asking why am i vegan	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	no one cares	[15:09]
mircea_popescu	just as long as it's not a youtube link	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	the core of it for me is that i cherish life	[15:09]
ThickAsThieves	simplest way to put it	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	but life w/o camembert is scarcely life. if i offered you the deal of 200 year lifespans as long as you lived in a hamster ball weould you live in a hamster ball ?	[15:10]
ThickAsThieves	that's a much bigger question than cheese	[15:11]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:11]
ThickAsThieves	i have no idea if my brain could handle that lifestyle	[15:12]
ThickAsThieves	can people come into my ball?	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	nope.	[15:12]
mircea_popescu	they got germs yo	[15:12]
ThickAsThieves	while i require minimal social interaction, i know humans are social creatures	[15:13]
ThickAsThieves	so odds are i'd go nuts before 200 yrs	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	so you can wave at them through your transparent enclosure	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	and you can irc	[15:13]
ThickAsThieves	how do i IRC, voice recog?	[15:13]
ThickAsThieves	200 years on IRC hehe	[15:13]
mircea_popescu	no you got a kbd in your bubble	[15:14]
ThickAsThieves	is your point that cows live longer cuz we like their cheese?	[15:15]
ThickAsThieves	i think i missed something	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	my point is that generally speaking restrictive diets are unhealthy. i fail to see any diference between "i shall only eat mcchicken nuggets" and "i shall only eat asparagus".	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	not implying it's what you do, obviously.	[15:16]
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ThickAsThieves	i never ate much meat to begin with	[15:17]
ThickAsThieves	cheese tho, yeah	[15:17]
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ThickAsThieves	but i have no lack of access to fat	[15:17]
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mircea_popescu	now, not feeling like some cheese is one thing, not feeling like cheese for two decades running is another, but not eating cheese because baby jesus disaproves ?	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	fuck baby jesus.	[15:17]
ThickAsThieves	its not religious	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	well my friend, how can you show that ?	[15:18]
ThickAsThieves	its more like how you dont wanna put a warning on bitbet	[15:18]
mircea_popescu	there's many religions.	[15:18]
ThickAsThieves	maybe over time the world is more like the one i idealize	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	you idealise a world without cheeze ?!	[15:19]
ThickAsThieves	no actually	[15:19]
ThickAsThieves	i'm okay with cheese in general	[15:19]
ThickAsThieves	but we cant seem to cheese responsibly	[15:19]
mircea_popescu	anyway, a good side discussion re the cheese that made us smart, see the other satoshi : http://unenumerated.blogspot.ro/2013/11/european-asian-divergence-predates.html	[15:20]
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ThickAsThieves	i suppose there is a pinch of spirituality in it too	[15:20]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003014 = 0.1507 BTC [-]	[15:20]
ThickAsThieves	like if i come back as a cow	[15:20]
ThickAsThieves	lemme fukn graze	[15:21]
ThickAsThieves	dont put me in a box with tubes in all my holes	[15:21]
mircea_popescu	these cows grazed	[15:21]
ThickAsThieves	i can appreciate old-fashioned farm cows	[15:22]
ThickAsThieves	i can even appreciate eating said cow when its time if thats what you wanrt	[15:22]
jamespeerless	what kind of warning do you not want to put on bitnet? about usa laws?	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	http://www.lonelyplanet.com/france/normandy/activities/other/president-farm	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	you can actually go tour their farm	[15:22]
mircea_popescu	jamespeerless http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-12-2013#404449	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	a discussion there	[15:23]
jamespeerless	ah about snackman	[15:23]
jamespeerless	:P	[15:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 0.1685 = 0.5055 BTC [+]	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	basically al that does is bloat the ONE page.	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	you can't have everything be the first line.	[15:24]
ThickAsThieves	indeed	[15:25]
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jamespeerless	yeah i don't think its needed at all	[15:25]
ThickAsThieves	i disagreed with your not warning people right til you pointed out that it was good training	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	people don't read page 2 so let's fuck up the flow of page 1 by smashing in there a bad summary of page 2	[15:25]
jamespeerless	read the faq's if you have a question	[15:25]
ThickAsThieves	and then i realized you are right	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	then even fewer people read even page 1	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i;m more stating it plain for the benefit of the lurker than anything	[15:26]
jamespeerless	i guess you could maybe add a small warning on the receiving address page when they are about to send money only if there's less than X hours until close	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	jamespeerless how would you know ?	[15:26]
ThickAsThieves	being the pied piper of penny bitcoin shares has taught me much in this regard	[15:26]
ThickAsThieves	people need to fucking TRY to get info	[15:26]
mircea_popescu	;;google charles schmid	[15:27]
gribble	Charles Schmid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Charles Schmid: The Pied Piper of Tucson — Secrets in the Sand ...: ; Pied Piper of Tucson: Twisted 1960s killings by Charles Howard ...:	[15:27]
ThickAsThieves	just try, please!	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	here's a guy that was fucking a bunch of teenage chicks	[15:27]
mircea_popescu	and then decided to kill some just to see how it is	[15:27]
ThickAsThieves	i get these emails like "I had shares on BTCT, now what" still	[15:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 9 @ 0.02240001 = 0.2016 BTC [+]	[15:27]
jamespeerless	what's BTCT?	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	:D	[15:28]
ThickAsThieves	try	[15:28]
jacksbueller	jamespeerless jcpham Jere_Jones Jezzz joesmoe jordandotdev jurov`	[15:28]
mircea_popescu	jamespeerless it was glbse v2.	[15:28]
jamespeerless	ah found it	[15:29]
ThickAsThieves	"Mexican cobalt-60 thieves will soon die of radiation exposure, say officials"	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	"They will, without a doubt, die."	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	awesome	[15:30]
mircea_popescu	this seems an officious lie.	[15:30]
ThickAsThieves	well its likely in between	[15:31]
kleeck_	On a long enough timeline, we all die.	[15:31]
ThickAsThieves	the handlers were likely planned to die all along	[15:31]
pankkake	bitbet down?	[15:31]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i see it ?	[15:31]
KRS\|gotyawallet	wow anything for a buck	[15:32]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i dunno, i imagine it must have been in some sort of container	[15:32]
ThickAsThieves	Microsoft labels US government a ‘persistent threat' in plan to cut off NSA spying	[15:32]
deadweasel	i see it too, pankkake	[15:32]
pankkake	hmm… I hope it's a temporary problem with OVH	[15:32]
ThickAsThieves	The abandoned cobalt-60 was found removed from its casing about 25 miles from where it was stolen	[15:32]
pankkake	from my other IP I can access it	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	ouch	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	yeah, they're gonna die.	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	this reminds me of a case in brazil some years ago	[15:33]
ThickAsThieves	it's now thought that the two men didn't know what was inside the truck, which was en route to a local storage facility, and only unsealed the material out of curiosity.	[15:34]
ThickAsThieves	poor kitties	[15:34]
kakobrekla	pankkake pm me your ip	[15:34]
ThickAsThieves	;;bcstats	[15:34]
gribble	Current Blocks: 273196 \| Current Difficulty: 7.074082830514966E8 \| Next Difficulty At Block: 274175 \| Next Difficulty In: 979 blocks \| Next Difficulty In About: 5 days, 20 hours, 41 minutes, and 40 seconds \| Next Difficulty Estimate: 866930566.7 \| Estimated Percent Change: 22.55024	[15:35]
ThickAsThieves	it lowers!	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	;;google goiania accident	[15:35]
gribble	Goiânia accident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; The Radiological Accident in Goiânia - Publications - International ...: ; Goiânia´s Legacy Two Decades On:	[15:35]
ThickAsThieves	amazing stuff that crazy even exists	[15:36]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[15:36]
ThickAsThieves	science!	[15:36]
mircea_popescu	anyway, the secret is just how tolerant of radiation the human body is.	[15:37]
mircea_popescu	in that case, out of hundreds of people exposed four died	[15:37]
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ThickAsThieves	There he spread some of it on the cement floor. His six-year-old daughter, Leide das Neves Ferreira, later ate a sandwich while sitting on the floor. She was also fascinated by the blue glow of the powder, and applying it to her body, showed it off to her mother. Dust from the powder fell on the sandwich she was consuming; she eventually absorbed 1.0 GBq, total dose 6.0 Gy, which is	[15:38]
ThickAsThieves	roughly equal to 13 Sv, more than the fatal dose even with treatment.	[15:38]
deadweasel	/mode #bitcoin-assets -c	[15:38]
deadweasel	crap	[15:38]
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deadweasel	webchat sucks	[15:38]
mod6	use irssi	[15:38]
deadweasel	i do	[15:39]
mod6	!?	[15:39]
deadweasel	my server is funny today, so I'm on webchat, trying to get it back up	[15:39]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves can you picture that ?	[15:39]
deadweasel	hosed my networking, is dumb for a remote server	[15:39]
mod6	deadweasel: ah	[15:39]
ThickAsThieves	it's quite surreal	[15:39]
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ThickAsThieves	"Seventh Company Ltd. evaluation has been made based on previous first and second rounds of investments by Havelock Investments Canadian Bitcoin based Fund Exchange during due diligence process and it is indeed a post-money valuation (not pre-money valuation!). But of course evaluation took into consideration total capital invested in the previous rounds by Angel investors and VC, as	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	well as income and profit estimations. "	[15:46]
ThickAsThieves	this in response to me asking for explanation of valuation	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	'post-money valuation'	[15:47]
mircea_popescu	whoever wrote that has significant experience as online tech support and no experience as a finance anything.	[15:47]
Apocalyptic	^^	[15:47]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[15:48]
ThickAsThieves	please give me millions of $ so I can be worth millions of $	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	then you can be too!	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	i started to ask him for actual list of assets	[15:49]
ThickAsThieves	but realized i'd be wasting my time	[15:49]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16600 @ 0.00078114 = 12.9669 BTC [-]	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	well at least it's a collection of words...	[15:52]
Apocalyptic	ThickAsThieves, did topace himself wrote that ?	[15:54]
ThickAsThieves	i do not know	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	not unless he's now azn.	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	i assume the quote is from the 7C guy	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	and that james isnt intimitaly involved other than as dev team for HL	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	but thats just a guess too	[15:55]
ThickAsThieves	intimately*	[15:56]
ThickAsThieves	i dont know who wrote the prospectus though	[15:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.1499 = 0.2998 BTC [-]	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	but even that document says it can change anything it says at anytime	[15:57]
ThickAsThieves	sooooo	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	people will eventually figure out the importance of being able to talk to the actual guy running the show and making the calls.	[15:58]
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mircea_popescu	there's a reason mpex is mpex whereas all the labcoins out there consist of people talking tough but then upon on examination peeling away like onion skins	[15:58]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]	[16:00]
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mircea_popescu	REP. BOB GOODLATTE (R-VA): Professor Turley, the constitution, the system of separated powers is not simply about stopping one branch of government from usurping another. It's about protecting the liberty of Americans from the dangers of concentrated government power. How does the president's unilateral modification of act of Congress affect both the balance of power between the political branches and the liberty inter	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	ests of the American people?	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	JONATHAN TURLEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The danger is quite severe. The problem with what the president is doing is that he's not simply posing a danger to the constitutional system. He's becoming the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid. That is the concentration of power in every single branch.	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	o look, the us pot is cooking up.	[16:00]
ThickAsThieves	link?	[16:01]
davout	mircea_popescu: haha i will, you should try yesterdays sushi wrapped in the morning crepes, it does work too	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	sushi never gets to be yesterday's here.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	i got catwomenz.	[16:01]
ThickAsThieves	got it	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves kinda circlejerking each other, obviously, but the stuff they have to say...	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	o nelly.	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	in other news :	[16:02]
mircea_popescu	Few studies have examined a direct causative effect between smoking marijuana and gynecomastia. A report in 1972 made the initial connection between cannabis and gynecomastia.	[16:02]
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mircea_popescu	did you know manboobs come from pot ?	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	well it messes with hormone levels	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	but it also makes you fatter	[16:03]
ThickAsThieves	soo...	[16:03]
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mircea_popescu	so can i have an m to the a to the n to the booooo-oooobs	[16:04]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[16:05]
kakobrekla	thats odd	[16:05]
kakobrekla	!b 7	[16:05]
kakobrekla	y u no	[16:06]
mircea_popescu	assbot rebellion 789!	[16:06]
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ThickAsThieves	http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/GynecomastiaFrontalAsymSevere.jpg	[16:07]
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ThickAsThieves	now his fat arms look like strong ones!	[16:07]
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deadweasel	mircea_popescu: link to the discussion above? rep bob goodlatte one. I'd like to read that transcript.	[16:12]
ThickAsThieves	there's a vid	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	on google	[16:13]
ThickAsThieves	just search the quote	[16:14]
ThickAsThieves	funny how it used to be all complaints that Obama was ineffective, powerless, and doing nothing	[16:15]
ThickAsThieves	now he's a loose cannon	[16:15]
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ThickAsThieves	Good afternoon assbot	[16:16]
assbot	hi	[16:16]
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mircea_popescu	http://shtfplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/major-stock-market-crash-in-january.gif	[16:19]
mircea_popescu	shit people come up with	[16:19]
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topace	[08:53:31] ThickAsThieves, did topace himself wrote that ?	[16:28]
topace	^ i did not	[16:28]
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topace	ThickAsThieves is correct, i have nothing to do with underwriting new listings any more	[16:29]
topace	and i questioned the valuation as well	[16:29]
mircea_popescu	topace get a signed statement to that effect, you never know when you need one.	[16:29]
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topace	mircea_popescu: its all in the contracts we signed already	[16:31]
mircea_popescu	good thinking there. aite.	[16:31]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16858 @ 0.00078889 = 13.2991 BTC [+]	[16:37]
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gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1090.0, Best ask: 1099.0, Bid-ask spread: 9.00000, Last trade: 1099.0, 24 hour volume: 53856.39443812, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1079.57079	[16:50]
gribble	Coinbase BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1005.72, Best ask: 1028.26, Bid-ask spread: 22.54000, Last trade: 1016.03, 24 hour volume: None, 24 hour low: None, 24 hour high: None, 24 hour vwap: None	[16:50]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MG] 5555 @ 0.000158 = 0.8777 BTC [+]	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.NSA] 8888 @ 0.00015 = 1.3332 BTC [+]	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	In a sign of the times, whistleblowers who help bust illegal gold shipments can get a bigger reward in India than those who help catch cocaine and heroin smugglers.	[16:51]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.BBET] 493 @ 0.0006499 = 0.3204 BTC [+]	[16:52]
kleeck_	http://i.imgur.com/wiygh0o.jpg	[16:55]
ThickAsThieves	Can 7C compete? http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/4/5175786/jane-austen-mmo-gets-funding-promises-18th-century-delights	[16:56]
ThickAsThieves	two brains, no fair	[16:57]
ThickAsThieves	"while traditional MMOs have epic raids, we have extravagant balls"	[16:58]
ThickAsThieves	hahaha	[16:59]
kleeck_	LOL	[16:59]
kleeck_	No way.	[16:59]
kleeck_	That's a REAL quote?	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[16:59]
ThickAsThieves	watch the vid	[17:00]
ThickAsThieves	a woman quotes some real gems	[17:00]
kleeck_	I WANT TO BE THE BELL OF THE BALL!	[17:00]
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kleeck_	" various game scenarios like dinner parties"	[17:00]
kleeck_	ROFL	[17:00]
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kleeck_	What will guilds be called? "Knitting Clubs"?	[17:01]
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kleeck_	"Unlike many multi-player games, it's not about kill or be killed but invite or be invited. Gossip is our weapon of choice. Instead of raids, we will have grand balls. Instead of dungeons, we will have dinner parties."	[17:02]
ThickAsThieves	Biggest Balls Guild	[17:02]
kleeck_	I cannot wait until 4Chan picks this up as a target.	[17:02]
pankkake	so it's a mmorpg for little girls?	[17:02]
pankkake	haha, yeah	[17:02]
kleeck_	And grandmothers, apparently.	[17:02]
kleeck_	"Did you hear? xxKILLERSLUTxx didn't get an invite to the King's Ball!" GASP!	[17:03]
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ThickAsThieves	where's my Google Glass invite	[17:04]
ThickAsThieves	are people giving away codes anywhere?	[17:04]
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mircea_popescu	this is one of those things that sounds good on paper and then goes nowhere.	[17:06]
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mircea_popescu	well... this doesn't sound that good on paper, either.	[17:07]
pankkake	what, having a 24/7 spycam streaming to the NSA?	[17:07]
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pankkake	though I'd like to try the eye thing. and know what optometrists think about it	[17:08]
pankkake	having some sort of permanent HUD would be great	[17:09]
davout	just put it on when you fuck some bitches to get the NSA guys all hard	[17:10]
kakobrekla	ok so i just made a cup of this ethiopian coffee you assets scammed me into buying	[17:14]
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kakobrekla	its not bad, but nothing special so far, maybe the dosage is a bit off	[17:14]
kakobrekla	a bit like romanian beer	[17:15]
asciilifeform	monocle displays are terrible.	[17:15]
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asciilifeform	i own one - http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html - (1989! and higher res than virtually all modern 'consumer' ones) but 15 minutes, and then headache.	[17:16]
ThickAsThieves	the codes are cheap on ebay i see	[17:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]	[17:17]
kakobrekla	what do you do with the code then	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	you buy a pair	[17:17]
ThickAsThieves	and you are then part of the Explorer program	[17:17]
kakobrekla	so you buy a code with which you can buy a pair	[17:17]
kakobrekla	is there a code i must buy to buy the code?	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	which lets you get replacements and upgrades	[17:18]
pankkake	well it also must depend on people. I know I am very subject to weird stuff in my eyes. can't do that 3D shit or even images moving randomly	[17:18]
jurov`	why pair? they make lefthanded version too?	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla romanian beer is not bad ?!	[17:18]
kakobrekla	i just thoguht , .. pair of eyes ...	[17:18]
kakobrekla	shit.	[17:18]
ThickAsThieves	3D bugs me too, but for some reason it was fine for me during a recent thor viewing	[17:19]
kakobrekla	just a bit watery	[17:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.0029 = 0.232 BTC [+]	[17:19]
kakobrekla	is not bad no.	[17:19]
mircea_popescu	a hey. i thought it's kinda meh	[17:19]
ThickAsThieves	what style beer do romanians do?	[17:20]
pankkake	well, those things will be a goldmine for orthoptists	[17:20]
kakobrekla	im not beer expert , but i had a lot of different ones	[17:21]
kakobrekla	the last one i had was in romania actually	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	i dunno really, i never drink the stuff	[17:23]
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jurov`	http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/scientist-developed-malware-covertly-jumps-air-gaps-using-inaudible-sound/	[17:26]
ozbot	Scientist-developed malware prototype covertly jumps air gaps using inaudible sound \| Ars Technica	[17:26]
jurov`	i'm sticking to my rpi for airgapping purposes	[17:28]
asciilifeform	the same rpi with a MB of closed source blob running on dedicated core?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	communicated != jumps	[17:28]
jurov`	what's the blob gonna do?	[17:28]
mircea_popescu	this is a sophomore project, build audio relay.	[17:28]
asciilifeform	seems like nobody ever heard of... modem.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	well not the kids of today, no.	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	i used to get my first torrents off tv, yo.	[17:29]
jurov`	well everyone was "hurr durr aint use ultrasound, there are filters"	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	jurov` that part yeah	[17:29]
asciilifeform	the phun part is that you needn't use ultrasound.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2013/a-simple-example-as-to-why-fiat-institutions-cant-stand/ << me being a bitch.	[17:30]
ozbot	A simple example as to why fiat institutions can’t stand pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[17:30]
asciilifeform	high-res, stable oscillators in modern machines let you pull, say, the following trick:	[17:30]
asciilifeform	'click' sound to start counter; next 'click' - value of counter is transmitted word.	[17:30]
asciilifeform	(with heavy error-correction, naturally.)	[17:31]
asciilifeform	no ultrasound, and still pretty good bandwidth.	[17:31]
mircea_popescu	you could make a crickets app and nobody'd ever know	[17:32]
jurov`	or use modulation that sounds like white noise	[17:32]
asciilifeform	and, the grand prize: say the victim owns a fleet of PCs which pick up interference somewhere in the 25-300MHz range.	[17:33]
asciilifeform	then, transmitter using... displays.	[17:33]
asciilifeform	(example: http://xtrmntr.org/priikone/programs/tempest-AM-README)	[17:33]
ThickAsThieves	so will noise cancellation be a future security feature?	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	they already have good grasp of doing it	[17:35]
jurov`	that falls under RF compatibility	[17:35]
ThickAsThieves	for things like headphones and such	[17:35]
jurov`	but everyone cheats to meet rf norms	[17:35]
jurov`	cuz it's expensive to do it right	[17:35]
asciilifeform	actually, noise cancellation circuit, given that it emits sound, makes a great side channel.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	not to mention that you can craft periodic signals that the canceller will actually amplify.	[17:36]
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ThickAsThieves	oh well	[17:36]
pankkake	just listen to merzbow and you'll be safe	[17:36]
asciilifeform	also you needn't a speaker to produce sound.	[17:36]
asciilifeform	i have several laptops where i can hear the cpu easily enough	[17:37]
nubbins`	nod re: canceller amplifying	[17:37]
asciilifeform	why? inductor buzz in the power supply circuit	[17:37]
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nubbins`	noise cancellation ain't great for unexpected signals	[17:37]
kakobrekla	common on GPUs	[17:37]
nubbins`	useless really	[17:37]
jurov`	just demand proper RF compatibility, as used in TV studios	[17:38]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: naturally you can't decode individual instructions from the buzz - but you can modulate it if desired	[17:38]
jurov`	you just have to pay 100x more for stuff	[17:38]
pankkake	also you can control the fan of GPUs easily	[17:38]
ThickAsThieves	as a wanna-be audiophile i dont trust noise cancellation not to fuck up the sound anyway	[17:38]
nubbins`	nod	[17:38]
asciilifeform	pankkake: nothing to do with the fan	[17:38]
pankkake	just saying it's another source of communication	[17:38]
nubbins`	all noise cancellation is	[17:38]
nubbins`	is a mic and a circuit that precisely inverts the sound coming into the mic	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	yep	[17:39]
nubbins`	great if you're on an airplane	[17:39]
nubbins`	useless if you're seated next to a shrieking baby	[17:39]
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asciilifeform	nubbins`: not quite. there's a delay loop in there. thinkaboutit.	[17:39]
*	nubbins` thinks about it	[17:39]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[17:39]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 2 @ 0.05499999 = 0.11 BTC [-]	[17:39]
asciilifeform	speed of sound being finite.	[17:39]
nubbins`	ah, i suppose, yeah	[17:39]
nubbins`	i just figured they used tungsten wires to carry the signal ;)	[17:40]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17630 @ 0.00078219 = 13.79 BTC [-]	[17:42]
nubbins`	amagi metals: "The bad news is that there is a huge snow storm that hit us here in Denver, so there may be some shipping delays from FedEx and USPS after we get your orders out."	[17:44]
nubbins`	somebody mentioned yesterday about -18F in denver?	[17:44]
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asciilifeform	from the crackpot brigade: https://likeinamirror.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/satoshi-nakamoto-is-probably-nick-szabo/	[17:48]
nubbins`	from the crack brigade: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/rob-ford-documents-8-revelations-from-wiretap-evidence-1.2451620	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:51]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1493880/plain/)	[17:51]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` somebody was me.	[17:51]
nubbins`	ah yes indeed	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	i am the keeper of the aforeknowledges	[17:52]
nubbins`	no doubt their silver rounds are snapping in half down there	[17:52]
nubbins`	and their marihuana cigarettes will not stay lit	[17:52]
mircea_popescu	lol	[17:52]
nubbins`	and their uh	[17:53]
nubbins`	has hockey started yet? those guys are probably fine	[17:53]
ThickAsThieves	why is Ford's brotherly relationship news?	[17:55]
ThickAsThieves	he's an emotional scammer?	[17:55]
nubbins`	he's a toronto city councillor	[17:56]
nubbins`	yes, that's right, the fine folks of toronto voted two idiot brothers into office	[17:56]
ThickAsThieves	but who cares if they arm wrestle?	[17:57]
nubbins`	ah, nobody, i suppose	[17:57]
nubbins`	i think the point being made is that they always support each other	[17:57]
nubbins`	except for that one time when doug was mad at rob	[17:57]
nubbins`	around the time he was accused of smoking crack	[17:58]
nubbins`	the implication being that doug knew it was true, and was quite upset	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	in other news, we've managed to baffle greenspan	[17:58]
nubbins`	ah, he's had his gunwales padded?	[17:58]
nubbins`	wait, sorry, no. other baffle.	[17:58]
mircea_popescu	"I do not understand where the backing of Bitcoin is coming from. There is no fundamental means of "repaying' it by any means that is universally accepted."	[17:59]
pankkake	yeah, he said bitcoin isn't backed by anything!	[17:59]
pankkake	who would ever use such a currency!	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.loper-os.org/?p=752	[17:59]
ozbot	Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only	[17:59]
asciilifeform	'sure, this carriage is horseless, but where are the reins? gotta be somewhere.'	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	i like that story	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	"I haven't been able to identfy the intrinsic value of Bitcoin - maybe someone else can...	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	but if you ask me if this is a bubble in bitcoin... yeah it's a bubble.	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	the funny part is... bernanke just said gold is a bubble	[17:59]
mircea_popescu	for about the same reasons.	[17:59]
ThickAsThieves	so he says I dunno wtf is going on, but lemme tell ya, it's def a bubble	[18:00]
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mircea_popescu	my take home ios that it sucks having kids. because if you have kids then you have to find employment, which transforms you into bernanke. and then you grow old, which makes you greenspan.	[18:00]
mircea_popescu	i'd rather not be stupid.	[18:00]
ThickAsThieves	but how will your vision for the world be achieved once you pass?	[18:01]
ThickAsThieves	need more little mirceas	[18:01]
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mircea_popescu	for what purpose ?	[18:01]
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ThickAsThieves	posthumous revenge?	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	well... inasmuch as i didn't make the original one,	[18:01]
pankkake	I don't think he acknowledges his mortality	[18:01]
mircea_popescu	go ahead and make more little mirceas	[18:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 200 @ 0.0029 = 0.58 BTC [+]	[18:02]
nubbins`	"To read about all those other people you’ve got to buy the Professional version or even the Enterprise Edition."	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i just don't acknowledge the relevance of the world past that point.	[18:02]
ThickAsThieves	until you are reborn a milk cow in the US ;)	[18:02]
asciilifeform	nubbins`: the author of that piece did turn up eventually.	[18:02]
mircea_popescu	maybe i'm reborn a mastiff on a porn set in california.	[18:03]
mircea_popescu	named Ma Stiff.	[18:03]
nubbins`	no relation to Ma Barker: http://missouriwomen.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/bloody-mama-1970_imagelarge.jpg	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	:D	[18:04]
mircea_popescu	i like it when people catch on vague maladroit references i make	[18:04]
nubbins`	any sharper and i'd cut myself	[18:04]
nubbins`	http://www.ebay.ca/itm/2013-0-5-BTC-Brass-Casascius-Physical-Bitcoin-REDEEMED-/331076143888?pt=US_World_Coins&hash=item4d15ad0b10&_uhb=1	[18:05]
ozbot	2013 0 5 BTC Brass Casascius Physical Bitcoin Redeemed \| eBay	[18:05]
nubbins`	7 hours to go	[18:05]
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jurov`	gpg signed, sent back under same name	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	ouch	[18:06]
jurov`	filthy racist nao	[18:06]
ThickAsThieves	hahaha	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	that was perhaps not the best move.	[18:06]
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nubbins`	ahahahahahahahahahaha	[18:06]
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mircea_popescu	if they get pissed off it's one thing, but what if	[18:06]
nubbins`	"what's this niggers.asc in our network drive?"	[18:07]
mircea_popescu	they really like it and ivnite you to weird aryan union events	[18:07]
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nubbins`	ah, this raises a point	[18:07]
nubbins`	i should really back up my pgp keys and put them somewhere safe	[18:07]
kakobrekla	what lol 140$ for a piece of brass	[18:07]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: i know, rite?	[18:07]
kakobrekla	at least it isnt 3btc like mp paid!	[18:08]
thestringpuller	lolololol	[18:08]
pankkake	someone should make chocolate bitcoins	[18:08]
nubbins`	well maybe i should glue it to a cufflink.	[18:08]
nubbins`	pankkake: it's been done	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	lol	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	make it into a prince albert.	[18:08]
nubbins`	http://www.ebay.ca/itm/3-Bitcoin-Chocolate-Gold-Foil-Coins-NO-BTC-VALUE-Casascius-1-Liberty-Coin-Bonus-/281218761544?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4179f1c348&_uhb=1	[18:08]
ozbot	3 Bitcoin Chocolate Gold Foil Coins NO BTC Value Casascius $1 Liberty Coin Bonus \| eBay	[18:08]
nubbins`	haha	[18:08]
nubbins`	bitcoin PA ring	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	omfg, i have the best idea ever!	[18:08]
nubbins`	"what	[18:08]
nubbins`	's backing this?"	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	make little btc addresses and put them into lolipops	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	sell the lolis	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	for btc.	[18:08]
nubbins`	"200 pounds of muscle and sinew"	[18:08]
ThickAsThieves	bitcoin pasties?	[18:08]
kakobrekla	i got a few of those 1 btc ones empty and full, maybe its time for the market to have em	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	you can win anywhere between 0.001 and 1 btc	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	the thing sells for 0.01 or we	[18:09]
nubbins`	kako, the going rate seems to be 140-160usd, regardless of denomination	[18:09]
kakobrekla	hm	[18:09]
kakobrekla	i better wait till cas dude is in jail	[18:09]
kakobrekla	they will go for 1600 then	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	good idea.	[18:09]
nubbins`	ah, i don't think he's gonna go to jail	[18:09]
ThickAsThieves	mp will your lollipop factory be all nude women to prevent theft?	[18:09]
nubbins`	just get the clampers put on his biz	[18:09]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: the canadian mint does this	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well... women may be inadequate. nude 12yos ?	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	better staff a dentist	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	btcloli	[18:10]
nubbins`	you can't let people with teeth into the building	[18:10]
mircea_popescu	taking puns to new highs/lows.	[18:10]
pankkake	nude diabetics. if they lick they die?	[18:10]
ThickAsThieves	LOLipops	[18:11]
nubbins`	kakobrekla: which full ones do you have?	[18:11]
kakobrekla	dunno	[18:11]
kakobrekla	1 btc	[18:11]
kakobrekla	they are of golden color	[18:12]
nubbins`	year?	[18:12]
kakobrekla	but 100% brass guaranteed!	[18:12]
nubbins`	.999 fine brass	[18:12]
kakobrekla	ok ok	[18:12]
kakobrekla	oh and one is also silver	[18:12]
kakobrekla	5 btc empty	[18:13]
kakobrekla	i bought them empty	[18:13]
nubbins`	ah	[18:13]
nubbins`	i'd like an empty 5 ;(	[18:13]
kakobrekla	the full one is 2012	[18:13]
kakobrekla	if that means anything	[18:13]
nubbins`	not a remarkable coin	[18:14]
kakobrekla	FUCK YOU	[18:14]
nubbins`	heh!	[18:14]
mircea_popescu	lol i see trade is proceeding well	[18:14]
nubbins`	i'll give ya 0.03 for the 5	[18:14]
kakobrekla	that like 3 bucks or something	[18:14]
nubbins`	30!	[18:14]
kakobrekla	yeah like i said, 3	[18:15]
nubbins`	trailing zeroes are significant :(	[18:15]
kakobrekla	im going to trade them for buttcoin pic	[18:15]
nubbins`	oof, not w/ me	[18:15]
kakobrekla	any takers?	[18:15]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla make it wives and girlfriends only	[18:16]
mircea_popescu	the buttcoin wags club	[18:16]
kakobrekla	:D	[18:16]
ll	lol this chan is awesome	[18:18]
nubbins`	^	[18:18]
mircea_popescu	!b 2	[18:18]
assbot	Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. (http://dpaste.com/1493908/plain/)	[18:18]
nubbins`	sometimes i wonder about my cat	[18:20]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/8gp0nzq	[18:20]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[18:20]
ThickAsThieves	did the Gold bitbets score any donations?	[18:20]
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ThickAsThieves	the cat needs a sleep mask	[18:21]
kakobrekla	you see where paying dividends brings you to....	[18:21]
mircea_popescu	;p;	[18:21]
nubbins`	she does	[18:21]
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ThickAsThieves	i'm just interested kako	[18:21]
ThickAsThieves	for the drama	[18:22]
kakobrekla	i dont know	[18:22]
kakobrekla	lets see if the forum heats up	[18:22]
nubbins`	http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-05/china-s-pboc-bans-financial-companies-from-bitcoin-transactions.html	[18:22]
ozbot	China Bans Financial Companies From Bitcoin Transactions - Bloomberg	[18:22]
jurov`	shat's gold bitbets?	[18:22]
jurov`	*what	[18:22]
ThickAsThieves	nubbins you missed the great crash Dec 5th, 2013	[18:23]
ThickAsThieves	of	[18:23]
mircea_popescu	jurov` the gold vs btc price bet	[18:24]
kakobrekla	anyway wouldnt publishing such info prematurely be sketchy	[18:25]
kakobrekla	what if the late bet was 24 mio btc	[18:25]
kakobrekla	everyone on this chan would buy bbet	[18:25]
mircea_popescu	with ltc	[18:25]
kakobrekla	heh	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	i suppose	[18:25]
ThickAsThieves	i can wait	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	if there's drama	[18:26]
ThickAsThieves	itll find you	[18:26]
mircea_popescu	drama is hard to get these days	[18:27]
mircea_popescu	diff is insane.	[18:27]
nubbins`	tat, guess i slept through it	[18:27]
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nubbins`	huh	[18:46]
nubbins`	https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=COG.F	[18:46]
nubbins`	https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=COG.F2	[18:46]
ThickAsThieves	sigh	[18:46]
nubbins`	http://www.recognizethisblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/floodgates.jpg	[18:47]
ll	hmm whats the KENXPL one	[18:48]
ThickAsThieves	hmm	[18:49]
Korbman	odd	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	didnt even bother with a description on that one :)	[18:49]
nubbins`	ah	[18:49]
nubbins`	kenilworth	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	word	[18:49]
nubbins`	some sort of diamondcoin mining operation	[18:49]
nubbins`	;p	[18:49]
Korbman	lol pull labcoin, add kenilworth	[18:49]
Korbman	:P	[18:49]
ThickAsThieves	haha	[18:49]
nubbins`	labcoin is still there :P	[18:50]
Korbman	for now	[18:50]
nubbins`	market cap 3 btc	[18:50]
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dexX7	;;buy 80000 usd	[18:52]
gribble	(buy [--long] [at\|@] []) -- Logs a buy order for units of , at a price of per unit, in units of . Use the optional field to put in any special notes. may include an arithmetical expression, and {(mtgox\|bitstamp)(ask\|bid\|last\|high\|low\|avg)} to index price to mtgox ask, bid, last, high, (1 more message)	[18:52]
dexX7	:(	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 80000	[18:53]
gribble	This order would exceed the size of the order book. You would buy 26053.649 bitcoins, for a total of 344391906.6772 USD and take the price to 1000000000.0000. \| Data vintage: 112.7465 seconds	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 80	[18:53]
gribble	A market order to buy 80 bitcoins right now would take 86200.7744 USD and would take the last price up to 1085.9990 USD, resulting in an average price of 1077.5097 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 128.2626 seconds	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	close enough :)	[18:53]
dexX7	yup, thanks :)	[18:53]
ThickAsThieves	;;market buy 80 usd	[18:54]
gribble	(market buy [--usd] [--market ] ) -- Calculate the effect on the market depth of a market buy order of bitcoins. If is provided, uses that exchange. Default is mtgox. If '--usd' option is given, denotes the size of the order in USD.	[18:54]
nubbins`	http://www.businessinsider.com/baml-initiates-coverage-on-bitcoin-2013-12	[18:54]
ozbot	BAML Initiates Coverage On Bitcoin - Business Insider	[18:54]
TomServo	so close! :)	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	;;market buy --usd 80000	[18:54]
gribble	A market order to buy 80000.0000 USD worth of bitcoins right now would buy 74.290258 bitcoins and would take the last price up to 1085.9990 USD, resulting in an average price of 1076.8572 USD/BTC. \| Data vintage: 181.6505 seconds	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	there it is	[18:54]
dexX7	ah	[18:54]
ThickAsThieves	"our fair value analysis implies a maximum market capitalization of Bitcoin of $15bn"	[18:55]
ThickAsThieves	would love to see that report	[18:56]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.34479998 BTC [-]	[18:57]
jamespeerless	its already basically at 15bn?	[18:58]
jamespeerless	so they're claiming this is the max?	[18:58]
nubbins`	more or less	[18:58]
nubbins`	they said $1300	[18:58]
nubbins`	"Breaking: Largest, most authoritarian government in the world manages to slightly inconvenience Bitcoin for an hour or so."	[18:59]
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ThickAsThieves	jamespeerless, the article basically says "We intend to buy bitcoins, please don't rally til we have."	[18:59]
jamespeerless	:P	[18:59]
ThickAsThieves	a commenter: "If you found this article useful, please donate BtC (preferably before they become even more worthless). 1HjVaQegDCoDrGgW"	[19:01]
nubbins`	BtC	[19:01]
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ThickAsThieves	bit the coin	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33299795 BTC [-]	[19:02]
dexX7	ThickAsThieves: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-12-05/bofaml-sees-bitcoin-fair-value-1300 here are some parts of the report	[19:02]
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kakobrekla	you know what "bit coin" means in slovenian	[19:02]
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kakobrekla	to be a horse.	[19:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33299795 BTC [-]	[19:03]
pankkake	a coin backed by horses would work wonders in romania	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	well the report already is retarded	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	it starts with US usage stats	[19:03]
ThickAsThieves	US personal consumption expenditures totaled $11trn in 2012	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	Household checking deposits and cash totaled $0.7trn in 2012	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	Dividing the former by the latter, we get 0.07 (which we will refer to as velocity from now on)	[19:04]
pankkake	"Given Bitcoin does not pay any interest and that there are no investment instruments (equities or bonds) that are denominated in Bitcoin"	[19:04]
ThickAsThieves	cause i closed XBOND, sorry Wall St	[19:04]
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ThickAsThieves	"We don’t have an informed view on this subject..."	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	that's better	[19:06]
ThickAsThieves	(taken a bit out of context)	[19:06]
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KRS\|gotyawallet	The horses backed coin would work equally as well in Somalia and Croatia.	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	"Bottom-line: maximum market capitalization for Bitcoin’s as a store of value = $5bn"	[19:07]
dexX7	it all seems random	[19:07]
ThickAsThieves	i guess they gotta start somewhere	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	now some other firm can be like nah, here's a better way	[19:08]
dexX7	true	[19:08]
nubbins`	hmm	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	the irony being that fair market value is so easy to find	[19:08]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[19:08]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1064.69472, Best ask: 1078.787, Bid-ask spread: 14.09228, Last trade: 1060.13587, 24 hour volume: 56785.86176932, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1076.51875	[19:08]
nubbins`	il neige aujourd'hui :(	[19:08]
pankkake	pourquoi la frimousse triste ?	[19:09]
nubbins`	je n'aime pas les temps froid ;(	[19:09]
ThickAsThieves	je m'appele TAT	[19:10]
Apocalyptic	*appelle	[19:10]
nubbins`	c'est un super lel	[19:10]
ThickAsThieves	oui	[19:10]
nubbins`	nous allons donner pankkake un mal de tete ;/	[19:10]
Apocalyptic	heh	[19:11]
pankkake	I've been often confused on the number of P and L on appelle. appelle, appel, but apeller	[19:11]
Apocalyptic	pankkake, ça s'utilise encore "frimousse" de nos jours ?	[19:11]
pankkake	ça ne s'utilise pas, on utilise "smiley", but it felt silly using an English word when purposely using French	[19:12]
ThickAsThieves	"Criminals setting "fair" value to the Magic the Gathering card version of currency. That's fucking rich."	[19:12]
nubbins`	not as rich as all of us	[19:13]
nubbins`	AM	[19:13]
nubbins`	I	[19:13]
nubbins`	RITE?!	[19:13]
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ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:13]
nubbins`	srsly, just cut the top off a faberger egg so my cat wouldn't have to drink out of a dish like some kind of fucking prole	[19:13]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[19:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 21 @ 0.0226 = 0.4746 BTC [+]	[19:16]
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pankkake	gangsta rap should promote bitcoin. too bad casacsius didn't make bitcoin pendants	[19:17]
nubbins`	l'utilisation de mots anglais dans une phrase française semble un peu bizarre	[19:17]
pankkake	les québécois ne le font pas, mais les français si	[19:18]
nubbins`	although i suppose you feel the same way when you read "well, folks, let's go to the restaurant for lunch!"	[19:18]
topace	is anyone doing just-dice graphs like there used to be for satoshi dice ?	[19:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 6 @ 0.0226 = 0.1356 BTC [+]	[19:18]
nubbins`	les québécois n'est pas français ;p	[19:18]
pankkake	Americans who use French words to appear smart (redditors) are funny	[19:18]
pankkake	c'est sûr	[19:18]
nubbins`	pankkake: around the time of the "freedom fries" thing, i read an article where the guy said we should stop using ALL french loanwords	[19:19]
nubbins`	he then proceeded to cross out all french words in his article and replace them	[19:19]
pankkake	good luck with that	[19:19]
nubbins`	i know right?	[19:19]
nubbins`	took him three lines to describe the place where he would eat	[19:19]
nubbins`	"Restau... no, caf... no, uh..."	[19:20]
nubbins`	the french embassy had no comment, except to say that french fries were invented in belgium	[19:20]
pankkake	restaurant in American = mcdonald's	[19:20]
mircea_popescu	pankkake> "Given Bitcoin does not pay any interest and that there are no investment instruments (equities or bonds) that are denominated in Bitcoin" << herp.	[19:21]
mircea_popescu	given that retards discussing bitcoin have no clue, we predict continued drama and lulz.	[19:21]
nubbins`	dunno, my bitcoins have paid plenty of interest	[19:22]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 132 @ 0.00299598 = 0.3955 BTC [+] {2}	[19:22]
nubbins`	maybe they bought the wrong kind	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	maybe they bought the wrong color.	[19:22]
mircea_popescu	got themselves some of jurov's milky nigger.txt coins	[19:22]
pankkake	I have a fiat account that gives me a few percent per year. I used to watch it and move money it/out etc.	[19:23]
pankkake	bitcoin kinda changed my persective	[19:23]
pankkake	-typos	[19:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 5 @ 0.02485399 = 0.1243 BTC [+] {3}	[19:23]
pankkake	there's still no ObamaCoin!	[19:23]
nubbins`	asdsfdsfgfddgfdsg	[19:23]
nubbins`	leel	[19:23]
mircea_popescu	pankkake, ça s'utilise encore "frimousse" de nos jours ? << i was thinking. fucking ordinateur and "frimousse"	[19:24]
nubbins`	ordinateur is a brutal word	[19:24]
pankkake	I like ordinateur !	[19:24]
nubbins`	internet words are always tricky	[19:24]
pankkake	frimousse is cute, too cute	[19:24]
nubbins`	when i did web dev, we'd have to send message bundles off to get translated	[19:25]
mircea_popescu	it's cute in the sense of 30yo unshaved woman that can't poledance pestering her cuckolded "bf" on xmas eve.	[19:25]
nubbins`	you'd have people translating the word "click", "email", etc multiple ways in the same document	[19:25]
nubbins`	and of course half the translators were quebecois and the other half were acadiens	[19:26]
nubbins`	and just now, i learned that half a million acadiens moved to louisiana.	[19:27]
nubbins`	huh.	[19:27]
nubbins`	and just NOW, i'm realizing that's where the word "cajun" comes from	[19:27]
mircea_popescu	lol	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	acadjuien	[19:28]
mircea_popescu	seems pretty obvious	[19:28]
deadweasel	my cajun neighbors, good people.	[19:28]
deadweasel	resistant to the governments nonsense. very resistent.	[19:28]
nubbins`	well, that's france for ya	[19:28]
nubbins`	er, the french	[19:29]
nubbins`	i'm sure pankkake is preparing to throw his wooden shoes into some gears as we speak	[19:30]
pankkake	the French worship the State	[19:30]
pankkake	they might not like the government, they like the State	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	this is true	[19:30]
nubbins`	nod	[19:30]
mircea_popescu	ridiculous, but true	[19:30]
deadweasel	then the cajuns have moved far enough away from the french, thank jesus.	[19:30]
nubbins`	quebecois are the same way	[19:31]
deadweasel	truly I have no malice for the french, it's conditioned into me.	[19:31]
nubbins`	see for reference, last year's casseroles protests	[19:31]
pankkake	well, governments fail to do anything good every year, but you know, the next one is going to be great!	[19:31]
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nubbins`	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oAJBhNtr04	[19:32]
ozbot	Casseroles 'Pots and Pans' Montreal Protest Video - YouTube	[19:32]
pankkake	but I have to admit I like the current protests	[19:32]
nubbins`	man, that got me so fucking angry last year	[19:32]
nubbins`	SO goddamn angry	[19:32]
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nubbins`	non a la loi speciale!	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	so seriously, did that fortune guy ever manage to short btc ?	[19:34]
mircea_popescu	"À toujours vouloir bien paraître, je crois que le Parti Québécois enfoncera un autre clou dans son cercueil. Le Parti Québécois semble servir jour après jour les intérêts des riches avec leurs visées néolibérales anglo-saxonnes. Les assistés sociaux, les étudiants, les francophones et maintenant les travailleurs pâtiront. "	[19:35]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.00299599 = 0.2307 BTC [+]	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	holy shit, the french speaking canadians imagine they are going to be MORE socialist than the anglo-saxons ?!	[19:35]
mircea_popescu	lmao.	[19:35]
nubbins`	the PQ sucks	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	that aside.	[19:36]
mircea_popescu	these people actually believe what's wrong with the us etc is that they are stepping too much on the throat of the proletariat ?!	[19:36]
deadweasel	nobody can believe that	[19:36]
nubbins`	ah	[19:37]
nubbins`	in that context, anglo-saxon essentially should be translated as "bogeyman"	[19:37]
nubbins`	or capital-O Outsider, w/e	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	dude, how about no futher "dignite" of any kind for five years.	[19:37]
mircea_popescu	then we see.	[19:37]
pankkake	néolibéral too	[19:37]
nubbins`	^	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	who the fuck heard of dignity for the poor.	[19:38]
pankkake	we have « ultralibéral » in France	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	that's why they're poor, to be humble.	[19:38]
nubbins`	the PQ thought they had it knocked	[19:38]
mircea_popescu	fucking upside world.	[19:38]
nubbins`	huge protests, PQ to the rescue! repeal the special law!	[19:38]
nubbins`	then they realized the population wasn't finished with being upset	[19:38]
gesell	mtgox split order javascript console script, if interested http://pastebin.com/tESPiTvg pretty simple	[19:39]
nubbins`	pauline marois is way worse than jean charest	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	this guy... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=348468.msg3838759#msg3838759	[19:39]
ThickAsThieves	getting so tired of all is babbling like he is in-the-know and some kind of soothsayer	[19:40]
nubbins`	but dude, you're missing the human element	[19:40]
ThickAsThieves	thats cuz i am robot	[19:41]
ThickAsThieves	assbot is my wife	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves if the dork you were quoting earlier can opine about what the mkt cap of bitcoin should be,	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	then why can't random forum retard ?	[19:41]
mircea_popescu	exactly same quality/material.	[19:41]
assbot	fuck me in the ass	[19:41]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wagkBedzwI8	[19:41]
nubbins`	ah, wait, ^^ hopes restored	[19:42]
KRS\|gotyawallet	ThickAsThieves: isn't $5BB market cap only midcap at best	[19:42]
nubbins`	good thing you keep backups	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	basically they want to paint their obsessive passive aggression as some kind humanitarian effort or something	[19:42]
ThickAsThieves	assbot, grease, or no?	[19:42]
assbot	no grease for your size	[19:43]
nubbins`	heh	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	i saw that coming	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	nice assist i guess	[19:43]
nubbins`	i'm imagining a mechanical iris closing	[19:43]
assbot	its what couples do	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	teamwork!	[19:43]
ThickAsThieves	selfdeprication facilitation	[19:44]
ThickAsThieves	complete.	[19:44]
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nubbins`	\|#####################\| 100%	[19:46]
pankkake	8================D 100%	[19:48]
assbot	your balls are small	[19:49]
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mircea_popescu	what's the emoticon for vagina dentata ?	[19:49]
ThickAsThieves	Install Failed. Would you like to check Windows Update for a solution?	[19:50]
Apocalyptic	heh	[19:50]
pankkake	{¦} ?	[19:50]
ThickAsThieves	( {\|} )	[19:50]
mircea_popescu	that looks more like himen bifenestratus	[19:51]
nubbins`	heh	[19:51]
kakobrekla	pankkake draw a bear trap	[19:51]
kakobrekla	tat warp traveling	[19:51]
ThickAsThieves	( { XXX } )	[19:52]
pankkake	yes!	[19:52]
ThickAsThieves	now he pm's me saying i'm not consumer focused ...	[19:54]
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ThickAsThieves	been in marketing for like most of my life...	[19:55]
ThickAsThieves	I'd reason with the guy if I didn;t think it'd result it point by point epic messages where he never gives in	[19:56]
mircea_popescu	isn't this the dork that was falling all over himself with mpoe-pr earlier ?	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	dunno	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	he was on ActM board	[19:57]
ThickAsThieves	oh yeah	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	about SMG right?	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	haha well that's fitting	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	yeah thats him	[19:58]
pankkake	oh, hence in my ignore list :D	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	i dun recall about what.	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	but i recall greyhawk's comment that his avatar is well chosen	[19:58]
ThickAsThieves	i had him ignored but now he's all up in Neo's business	[19:58]
pankkake	anyone in that board should be scammer tagged anyway	[19:58]
mircea_popescu	pankkake anyone not in my wot is scammer tagged by default.	[19:58]
pankkake	yeah I figured that one	[19:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 65 @ 0.0077 = 0.5005 BTC {2}	[20:01]
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pankkake	is 7C a scam?	[20:01]
pircea_momescu	pankkake 7c is a scam !	[20:01]
pankkake	see, that works	[20:01]
thestringpuller	lololololol	[20:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 37 @ 0.0077 = 0.2849 BTC {2}	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	"I have searched Google and I haven't found an answer to what it is am looking for. So here is the deal am looking for a MMORPG (not FPS) that I and a friend can play without the need of putting any money on it. It should be completely free (no one time buy, no need to put money to buy higher gear, no need to upgrade the account to open some other stuff and bag limits.) Also prefer if the game isn't from perfect world	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	international (since I have had bad history with there employees)."	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	i like internet people.	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	broiled.	[20:02]
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pankkake	there employees :(	[20:02]
mircea_popescu	"i want good shit for free and a blowjob"	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	he prefers here employees	[20:03]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 1111 @ 0.0077 = 8.5547 BTC {3}	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	dont these free things exist anyway?	[20:03]
Apocalyptic	they do	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	like private WoW servers	[20:03]
ThickAsThieves	or such	[20:03]
Apocalyptic	it's just not good shit	[20:03]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves those don't have here employees.	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	ah	[20:04]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 50 @ 0.0077 = 0.385 BTC	[20:04]
nubbins`	you still gotta buy wow tho	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	it's like... total complete bonehead. employees don't need to be paid.	[20:04]
nubbins`	this guy wants a great game that he can play for free	[20:04]
nubbins`	NO ADS THO	[20:04]
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mircea_popescu	AND employees	[20:04]
mircea_popescu	no riffraff like ThickAsThieves mind. people with better consumer focus.	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	i think Candy Crush is free	[20:04]
ThickAsThieves	and on Facebook	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.14995 BTC [+]	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 1005 @ 0.0077 = 7.7385 BTC {2}	[20:05]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] [PAID] 2.28033270 BTC to 5`067`406 shares, 45 satoshi per share	[20:05]
nubbins`	heh	[20:05]
nubbins`	well, "free"	[20:05]
nubbins`	i'll inspect your wallet, credit card receipts, and health records for free	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	"Any Capital raised by Havelock Investments on behalf of this Fund will be placed in escrow. The raised capital will only be distributed to the Company based on a per performance basis agreed by Havelock Investments and the Company. In the event that the Company is no longer able to continue operations, all of the remaining capital in escrow will be refunded to the Unit holders equally."	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	7C ^	[20:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [VTX] 4 @ 0.15 = 0.6 BTC [+]	[20:06]
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nubbins`	huh, interesting	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	so basically every mistake that can be made will have to be made	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	a well.	[20:06]
Namworld	Mistakes?	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	yes.	[20:06]
Namworld	Fill me in	[20:06]
ThickAsThieves	like releasing funds to them?	[20:06]
mircea_popescu	well, it's simple : if you don't trust the company don't let it list.	[20:07]
mircea_popescu	i;m too lazy to go into the endless debate as to why stupidity doesn't work. i'll just state the general point and shrug.	[20:07]
Korbman	but that's not how the new Havelock makes money ;)	[20:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 10005 @ 0.0077 = 77.0385 BTC {2}	[20:09]
mircea_popescu	the new havelock is not going to be making any money.	[20:09]
jurov`	Mhm...i can't follow,what has changed at havelock?	[20:10]
jurov`	Moving to panama aside.	[20:11]
nubbins`	floodgates.png	[20:11]
nubbins`	something like 50 funds waiting in the wings?	[20:11]
pankkake	50 shitfunds	[20:11]
jurov`	orly	[20:11]
Namworld	Really? Where's the announcement on that? >.>	[20:11]
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pankkake	on their own IPO, they stated that	[20:12]
thestringpuller	people are actually buying this 7C shit?	[20:13]
thestringpuller	@_@	[20:13]
nubbins`	prospectus, page 4	[20:13]
nubbins`	adding 12 new funds each quarter	[20:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 10000 @ 0.0077 = 77 BTC	[20:14]
Namworld	Panama says: Give ID, list anything	[20:14]
pankkake	the new info is also that CFIG is mostly Panama Fund guys	[20:15]
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nubbins`	ah, i remember cfig	[20:16]
nubbins`	i drew a little diagram way back	[20:16]
nubbins`	it had a bunch of question marks	[20:16]
pankkake	oh, that was you :)	[20:17]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 2012 @ 0.0077 = 15.4924 BTC {4}	[20:17]
nubbins`	https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269191.msg2940289#msg2940289	[20:17]
nubbins`	:D	[20:17]
ozbot	[HAVELOCK] Crypto Financial (CFIG) Official Thread	[20:17]
nubbins`	xbt, how quaint	[20:18]
nubbins`	that's essentially what virtex's debit cards do, but with automatic conversion of btc to fiat	[20:18]
nubbins`	also, my trust link is green now?!	[20:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 1978 @ 0.0077 = 15.2306 BTC {2}	[20:19]
Korbman	I see 7C is pretty much only pulling in large orders	[20:20]
Namworld	And almost round... like 10000 > 10000 > 2000 > 2000	[20:20]
Namworld	Mostly what happened so far	[20:22]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC	[20:23]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 25 @ 0.0077 = 0.1925 BTC	[20:27]
mircea_popescu	anyuone here ever tried rift ?	[20:33]
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thestringpuller	how do you have time to play all these mmo's?	[20:33]
thestringpuller	"research"	[20:33]
thestringpuller	jkjk	[20:33]
TomServo	mircea_popescu: the tabletop rpg?	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	apparently there's a new pc version	[20:33]
mircea_popescu	or maybe unrelated i dunno ?	[20:34]
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TomServo	Appears to be unrelated. I haven't played it.	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	I played Rift	[20:35]
ThickAsThieves	in the early days	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	it was enjoyable enough	[20:36]
TomServo	I was thinking of "Rifts" anyhow.	[20:36]
ThickAsThieves	MP you should just buy Rift	[20:37]
ThickAsThieves	and bitcoinify it	[20:37]
nubbins`	would play a settlers of catan themed btc game	[20:38]
nubbins`	or a btc themed settlers of catan, not sure	[20:38]
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ThickAsThieves	i'd also play a dota btc game	[20:39]
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ThickAsThieves	seems that format is pretty popular these days	[20:40]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 90 @ 0.0077 = 0.693 BTC	[20:40]
nubbins`	you could actually probably completely re-skin catan to have a btc theme	[20:41]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 26 @ 0.0077 = 0.2002 BTC {2}	[20:41]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves i might, but are they selling it ?	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	well i know they went to a fee model	[20:42]
ThickAsThieves	free*	[20:43]
ThickAsThieves	so they cant be doing well	[20:43]
nubbins`	hey, some of the best things are free	[20:43]
ThickAsThieves	and everyone has a price right?	[20:43]
nubbins`	like google, and that guy who offered to help me install that btc security software on my computer	[20:44]
nubbins`	unless you think there's some sort of catch to using both of those things?!?!?!	[20:44]
mircea_popescu	ok, that may be, but... well...	[20:44]
ThickAsThieves	have deadweasel get them in here	[20:45]
ThickAsThieves	:)	[20:45]
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mircea_popescu	deadweasel baby, can you ferret out the owners of rift ?	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	Gameplay requires: (1) INTERNET CONNECTION (SOLD SEPARATELY), AND (2) ACCEPTANCE OF LICENSE AND USAGE TERMS.	[20:46]
mircea_popescu	you suppose anyone accused them of scamming because they don't also provide you with internet ?	[20:46]
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mircea_popescu	"but i vbought the game fair and square!!11 why can't i play it on my toaster!11"	[20:46]
nubbins`	pretty much the definition of scam	[20:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 15 @ 0.0077 = 0.1155 BTC	[20:46]
ThickAsThieves	https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=N9LlbuAeqlc#t=22	[20:47]
ozbot	2010 WWE Hall of Fame: Million Dollar Man - YouTube	[20:47]
nubbins`	hahahaha	[20:47]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 8750 @ 0.0077 = 67.375 BTC {3}	[20:47]
nubbins`	theodore dibiase!	[20:47]
ThickAsThieves	was harder to find him saying his catchphrase than i thought itd be	[20:48]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 6000 @ 0.0077 = 46.2 BTC {2}	[20:48]
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deadweasel	mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves , I'm at work, give me a general starting link and I'll see.	[20:49]
deadweasel	dafuq is rift anyway? a game?	[20:49]
nubbins`	ThickAsThieves: you know ultimate warrior does knife painting now?	[20:50]
ThickAsThieves	deadweasel, Rift is a major game, you'd need to start with the studio probly	[20:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.00299699 = 0.1888 BTC [+]	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	really there's like 0 chance theyll come in here	[20:52]
nubbins`	http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/blog/	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	unless they already are!	[20:52]
ozbot	Warrior's Machete	[20:52]
Namworld	There's only one quality IPO coming up. Calm your horses and the random ideas IPOs.	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	weapons of wisdom	[20:52]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[20:52]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1276 @ 0.00011042 = 0.1409 BTC [+] {3}	[20:53]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.00078219 = 16.0349 BTC [-]	[20:53]
Namworld	Ideas are 2 bucks a dozen, not 5 million each	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	deadweasel http://www.riftgame.com/en/play-for-free/	[20:53]
mircea_popescu	no rush whatever, if you manage it at all you're a miracle worker anyway	[20:53]
ThickAsThieves	warrior's stuff isnt horrible	[20:53]
nubbins`	there's better	[20:53]
nubbins`	http://www.warriorgallery.com/Pages/Works.html	[20:54]
ozbot	Works.	[20:54]
mircea_popescu	ThickAsThieves well if it's f2p it ain't that major namean ?	[20:54]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.344767 = 0.6895 BTC [+]	[20:55]
nubbins`	http://www.warriorgallery.com/Pages/WARRIOR_Van%20Gogh%20Skull_24x36.html	[20:57]
ozbot	Sitting Bull Blue	[20:57]
nubbins`	i like to imagine him painting these with a huge rambo knife, rather than a palette knife	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	that one isnt bad either	[20:57]
ThickAsThieves	but paying that much for a print is silly	[20:58]
nubbins`	that's an original, not a print	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	oh it said also available in other size	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	so i assumed	[20:58]
nubbins`	ah, yeah, i think the other size is a print	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	i know many artists try to sell prints for ridic prices	[20:58]
nubbins`	oh. nope.	[20:58]
nubbins`	tat, i have much to say on the subject of prints	[20:58]
ThickAsThieves	do you do giclee?	[20:59]
nubbins`	no, and in fact, i don't consider giclees "prints" in the traditional sense of the word	[20:59]
nubbins`	they're closer to color photocopies than anything	[21:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33800001 BTC [-]	[21:00]
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nubbins`	producing a print takes skill and effort, and each one is usually a unique piece	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33800001 BTC [-]	[21:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 418 @ 0.000479 = 0.2002 BTC [-]	[21:01]
nubbins`	producing a giclee involves making sure your ink cartridges are topped up, and clicking a mouse	[21:01]
ThickAsThieves	i always assumed giclees did color matching	[21:01]
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nubbins`	oh, sure, sometimes. but that's still just dicking around on the computer	[21:02]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:02]
nubbins`	a $250 epson can produce beautiful CMYK giclee prints	[21:02]
nubbins`	but they're worth the cost of the paper and inks, plus maybe $20	[21:02]
nubbins`	to compare a giclee to a linocut or a serigraph is truly taking the piss	[21:03]
nubbins`	nothing worse than seeing people selling small "prints" for $50 each	[21:04]
nubbins`	in an edition of 250	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	to me, i'd either want the original, or a good-enough print to look pretty on the wall	[21:04]
nubbins`	and then finding out they're fuckin giclees	[21:04]
ThickAsThieves	in-between seems a waste	[21:04]
nubbins`	nod	[21:04]
nubbins`	take a linocut, for example	[21:05]
nubbins`	it doesn't exist as a piece of art until it's printed	[21:05]
nubbins`	and each print is unique, as the linoleum squishes around and wears down	[21:05]
KRS\|gotyawallet	http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/one-third-of-kenyans-now-have-a-bitcoin-wallet	[21:05]
ozbot	One Third of Kenyans Now Have a Bitcoin Wallet \| Motherboard	[21:05]
nubbins`	a giclee is just a copy of an original	[21:05]
KRS\|gotyawallet	Wonder how long til the Serbians get on board with their own bitcoin wallets.	[21:05]
nubbins`	compared to linocut, monotype, serigraph, etc, where the prints ARE originals	[21:05]
nubbins`	people have a lot of trouble with that point	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	well the concept is that people want to know the artist stood there and made the thing	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	not a amachine	[21:06]
nubbins`	nod	[21:06]
nubbins`	or at the very least, had a hand in its production	[21:06]
ThickAsThieves	meh	[21:07]
nubbins`	often the artist and the printer work hand-in-hand	[21:07]
kakobrekla	pressing all teh buttons	[21:07]
kakobrekla	moving all the mouses	[21:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33332 BTC [-]	[21:07]
ThickAsThieves	working with artists = printer's nightmare	[21:07]
nubbins`	^ agreed	[21:07]
nubbins`	welcome to my life, heh	[21:07]
nubbins`	altho our clients are generally pretty easygoing	[21:07]
ThickAsThieves	I have no money, but I want 5 prints of 50 of my pieces!	[21:07]
ThickAsThieves	how much?	[21:07]
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ThickAsThieves	or same request but for greeting cards	[21:08]
nubbins`	heh	[21:08]
ThickAsThieves	"buy your own printer" i'd tell them	[21:08]
nubbins`	we explicitly do not own a color printer for this very reason	[21:09]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 13 @ 0.0077 = 0.1001 BTC	[21:09]
nubbins`	well. we have a printer that can print color (6 tanks!)	[21:09]
nubbins`	but it's all loaded with super-opaque pigment inks	[21:09]
nubbins`	for printing films	[21:09]
nubbins`	all black	[21:10]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 13 @ 0.0077 = 0.1001 BTC	[21:10]
nubbins`	the best jobs are where we're given free reign over the art	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	my mom used to work painting separations of textile patterns onto acetate plastic sheets by hand	[21:11]
nubbins`	"we want some posters made, here's a list of things we like: interrobangs, lasers, robots, etc"	[21:11]
nubbins`	ah, that's thankless work :)	[21:11]
ThickAsThieves	carpal tunnel in both hands, AND the foot version	[21:11]
nubbins`	nod, my wrists aren't great	[21:12]
nubbins`	years of poor computer posture combined with manual printing	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	she'd have like 20 sheets layered over eachother in one brown blob when done	[21:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [-]	[21:12]
nubbins`	i've sepped by hand before	[21:12]
ThickAsThieves	then they got computers	[21:12]
nubbins`	generally just use gimp with a wacom tablet these days	[21:12]
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nubbins`	our usual process is pencil -> ink -> gimp -> inkscape -> illustrator -> acetate -> silkscreens -> paper	[21:14]
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thestringpuller	uh	[21:14]
thestringpuller	uh	[21:14]
thestringpuller	gimp	[21:14]
thestringpuller	huh huh	[21:14]
thestringpuller	huhuh he said gimp	[21:14]
nubbins`	heh	[21:14]
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nubbins`	and really, we only use illustrator for printing films	[21:15]
nubbins`	would be nice if we didn't need it	[21:15]
nubbins`	but inkscape doesn't support CMYK print output (srsly)	[21:15]
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ThickerThanThiev	i'm a coreldraw fan	[21:17]
ThickerThanThiev	great for that kinda work	[21:17]
nubbins`	never used it	[21:17]
ThickerThanThiev	it's canadian!	[21:17]
nubbins`	i mean, inkscape itself is great for vector work	[21:17]
nubbins`	it just barfs at the output step	[21:17]
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nubbins`	so we shelled out $800 for illustrator	[21:18]
ThickAsThieves	it takes adusting for a long-time Illustrator user	[21:18]
nubbins`	and another $500 for 3rd party epson drivers	[21:18]
ThickAsThieves	but the keystrokes and tools and like everything for vector editing in corel is just better imo	[21:19]
nubbins`	ah	[21:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 30 @ 0.0077 = 0.231 BTC	[21:19]
nubbins`	yeah, illo is powerful, but most of it is still beyond me	[21:19]
nubbins`	the image trace options in cs6 are fuckin great tho	[21:19]
nubbins`	http://www.softwareforscreenprinters.com/accurip	[21:19]
ozbot	Accurip	[21:19]
ThickAsThieves	what was it we used to rip, oh yeah Onyx	[21:20]
ThickAsThieves	so expensive	[21:20]
nubbins`	nod	[21:20]
nubbins`	rips are fucking LOOT	[21:20]
asciilifeform	unrelated but interesting: http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&sid=c5cc9a1c749a6f225283bdfa124431d0&rgn=div9&view=text&node=15:2.1.3.4.45.0.1.3.87&idno=15	[21:20]
nubbins`	tried to get away without using one for so long	[21:20]
asciilifeform	a list of junk u.s. gov. considers politically interesting.	[21:20]
nubbins`	such a waste of effort	[21:20]
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nubbins`	i almost wept when i saw the first set of separations accurip spit out	[21:21]
nubbins`	felt like i'd discovered bitcoin	[21:21]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:21]
deadweasel	who exactly from rift do you want to talk to?	[21:21]
asciilifeform	betcha every luggage trunk at every u.s. airport contains something on this list.	[21:21]
deadweasel	a pr douche?	[21:21]
deadweasel	accountant?	[21:21]
ThickAsThieves	no	[21:21]
ThickAsThieves	an owner	[21:21]
nubbins`	a c-level exec	[21:21]
deadweasel	mutherfucker	[21:21]
deadweasel	ha, wish me luck	[21:22]
ThickAsThieves	he want to buy the game afterall	[21:22]
nubbins`	gl ;p	[21:22]
deadweasel	and just what do they want to talk with you about? :)	[21:22]
deadweasel	i can't make it up if I havne't followed the story.	[21:22]
nubbins`	anyway, people have no idea what a pain pre-press work is	[21:22]
nubbins`	"yeah my artwork is ready to go"	[21:23]
deadweasel	we do now, nubs	[21:23]
nubbins`	not even converted to spot colors	[21:23]
nubbins`	etc	[21:23]
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nubbins`	the thing about "graphic designers" that fucking pisses me off	[21:23]
nubbins`	is that none of them understand print	[21:23]
ThickAsThieves	lol	[21:23]
nubbins`	"ahh, the guy who prints it can figure that out"	[21:23]
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ThickAsThieves	i never hired college-trained designers	[21:24]
nubbins`	and then the poor client pays me $xx/h to recreate the goddamn image from scratch	[21:24]
ThickAsThieves	fukn useless	[21:24]
nubbins`	nod	[21:24]
nubbins`	no concept of anything	[21:24]
nubbins`	72dpi backgrounds	[21:24]
nubbins`	"it looks good on my screen"	[21:24]
nubbins`	die in a fire	[21:24]
ThickAsThieves	file prep is truly an advanced skill	[21:24]
nubbins`	it's a completely separate skillset	[21:25]
kakobrekla	just rename it to niggers.txt	[21:25]
deadweasel	lol	[21:25]
nubbins`	"how would you like niggers.txt screened?"	[21:25]
nubbins`	61 lpi, 22.5 deg angle, please	[21:25]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 5000 @ 0.0077 = 38.5 BTC	[21:25]
nubbins`	i'm still learning	[21:25]
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nubbins`	only discovered "overprint fill/stroke" recently	[21:25]
deadweasel	"i want all niggers.txt screened out of my t=shirt, please."	[21:26]
nubbins`	and the implications thereof	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	i once printed seps for an album cover on the newspaper's hardware where i wored	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	whored	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	hehe	[21:26]
ThickAsThieves	worked*	[21:26]
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kakobrekla	i belive whored is the right term	[21:27]
nubbins`	what did they call those projectors they used to use for seps?	[21:27]
ThickAsThieves	i cant remember	[21:27]
ThickAsThieves	big fuckers	[21:27]
nubbins`	not orthographic	[21:27]
nubbins`	i can't remember either. rad tho.	[21:28]
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nubbins`	would love to get into letterpress	[21:30]
nubbins`	but that's an expensive setup	[21:30]
nubbins`	and i'd want to be able to make my own plates	[21:30]
nubbins`	which makes it a REALLY expensive setup	[21:30]
ThickAsThieves	people will pay pretty well for it, but way too custom for my patience again	[21:30]
nubbins`	yeah, there's basically zero market outside of wedding invitations too	[21:31]
ThickAsThieves	brides as clients, lol	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	one time, that's all it took me	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	insanity	[21:32]
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nubbins`	bridezilla	[21:32]
nubbins`	one of our printers works days at a wedding planning place	[21:32]
nubbins`	she does not enjoy it	[21:32]
ThickAsThieves	in the end i was hand-scoring and trimming corners one by one	[21:33]
nubbins`	"yeah, auhhmmm, i want flowers like pandora vanderpump had at her wedding... but i don't want them to, like, cost a lot"	[21:33]
ThickAsThieves	hand drawn maps to the location	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	custom lettering	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	bleh	[21:34]
nubbins`	nod	[21:34]
nubbins`	we've silkscreened some wedding invites	[21:34]
nubbins`	doing some now actually	[21:34]
nubbins`	6 spot colors ;(	[21:34]
ThickAsThieves	(sorry channel, I'm just about bored with the print talk) :)	[21:35]
nubbins`	http://pinkeyeprints.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/wedding-invite-2a.png	[21:35]
nubbins`	heh	[21:35]
nubbins`	i'm about done too	[21:35]
kakobrekla	you just got him wet	[21:35]
ThickAsThieves	;;ticker	[21:36]
gribble	MtGox BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 1123.0, Best ask: 1124.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 1121.0, 24 hour volume: 56407.85643252, 24 hour low: 870.001, 24 hour high: 1240.0, 24 hour vwap: 1069.77714	[21:36]
ThickAsThieves	try harder China!	[21:36]
nubbins`	870-1240	[21:36]
nubbins`	pretty calm day	[21:36]
kleeck_	:P	[21:36]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 61 @ 0.00318637 = 0.1944 BTC [-] {7}	[21:36]
mike_c	;;premium btcn mtgox	[21:37]
gribble	Premium of BTCChina over MtGox is currently -9.57021326982 %.	[21:37]
mike_c	china is asleep at the wheel.	[21:37]
mike_c	everybody ran to china to arbitrage and drove the price down :)	[21:38]
nubbins`	http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/chicken-in-turkey-mary-brown-s-aims-for-istanbul-1.2452205	[21:38]
ozbot	Chicken in Turkey: Mary Brown's aims for Istanbul - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News	[21:38]
ThickAsThieves	not Constantinople	[21:39]
nubbins`	some years ago, mary brown's released this new sandwich called the Big Mary	[21:39]
nubbins`	huge ad campaign	[21:39]
nubbins`	some guy thought a play on "hail caesar" would be a good idea	[21:40]
nubbins`	massive posters in bus shelters everywhere depicting a chicken sandwich	[21:40]
nubbins`	"HAIL MARY" in foot-high letters	[21:40]
nubbins`	catholic church became very upset	[21:40]
nubbins`	shocked that the mother of god would be compared to a chicken sandwich!	[21:40]
nubbins`	and so the posters came back down	[21:41]
ThickAsThieves	shoulda used prints	[21:41]
nubbins`	i lel'd	[21:41]
ThickAsThieves	catholic church is very snooty about such things	[21:41]
nubbins`	we've actually been experimenting with silkscreening posters for taping to poles	[21:41]
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mircea_popescu	so how's the printing office going ?	[21:42]
nubbins`	great, A+++, would do business with again	[21:42]
nubbins`	http://imgur.com/KMj2YW7	[21:42]
ozbot	imgur: the simple image sharer	[21:42]
nubbins`	^ surprisingly resilient to the elements	[21:43]
mircea_popescu	lol	[21:43]
nubbins`	we bought a 36"x1000' roll of red kraft paper, great idea	[21:43]
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nubbins`	anyway, shit to do. peace	[21:45]
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benkay	#python-pdx	[21:56]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19534 @ 0.00078614 = 15.3565 BTC [+]	[22:00]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 129 @ 0.0077 = 0.9933 BTC	[22:12]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 5000 @ 0.0077 = 38.5 BTC	[22:13]
TomServo	What's your standard response to "It's a ponzi!"?	[22:15]
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mike_c	you mean pyramid scheme?	[22:16]
TomServo	heh, nope	[22:16]
TomServo	Although that'd be more accurate. You mean, that's your response?	[22:16]
mike_c	tough to be a ponzi without somebody running the whole thing.	[22:16]
ThickAsThieves	i thought the standard respinse IS it's a ponzi	[22:17]
pircea_momescu	ThickAsThieves it's is a ponzi !	[22:17]
mike_c	somebody is typically holding all the money in a ponzi. who would that be?	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8955 @ 0.00078889 = 7.0645 BTC [+]	[22:18]
TomServo	It's Mircea innit? :D	[22:18]
mike_c	he's got all the bitcoins :) somebody would have to have all the fiat for it to be a ponzi.	[22:19]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.16899999 BTC [+]	[22:20]
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TomServo	Ha, true.	[22:20]
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mircea_popescu	it's a prizzi!	[22:31]
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benkay	asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: what's stupid about the NTRU encryption scheme?	[22:36]
benkay	(assuming there's something dumb and that you two'd know)	[22:36]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.16899999 BTC [+]	[22:44]
davout	TomServo: it's not a pyramid scheme, it's a triangular opportunity	[22:45]
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TomServo	haha, I like it!	[22:46]
davout	i didn't come up with it, i think it comes from the simpsons	[22:46]
davout	cryptomnesia ftw	[22:46]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 475 @ 0.0077 = 3.6575 BTC	[22:46]
kleeck_	What is the best place to short BTC?	[22:48]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.00079052 = 2.2925 BTC [+]	[22:48]
davout	kleeck_: you could buy some puts on mpex	[22:49]
benkay	kleeck_: MPEx.	[22:51]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33330001 BTC [-]	[22:57]
benkay	or sell some calls if you're sufficiently capitalized.	[22:57]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.3333 BTC [-]	[22:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 5844 @ 0.00048987 = 2.8628 BTC [+] {4}	[22:59]
mike_c	or on coinbr.com (mpex broker)	[22:59]
davout	benkay: i've been working on my financial education a lot recently still lots to learn, but isn't it much more dangerous to write options than it is to buy them ?	[22:59]
davout	the way i understand it you can lose a lot but your profit is capped by the price at which you sell the option	[22:59]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 1417 @ 0.00048994 = 0.6942 BTC [+] {3}	[23:00]
mike_c	yes, but you profit sooner	[23:00]
mike_c	at a higher price that is	[23:00]
davout	unlike futures where your profit varies linearly with the spot price of the underlying at maturity/expiration	[23:00]
davout	amirite?	[23:00]
mike_c	http://i.investopedia.com/inv/articles/site/img12.png	[23:01]
davout	mike_c: well, i guess it's up to the party who writes the option to come up with the right price	[23:01]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HIF] 2800 @ 0.00048999 = 1.372 BTC [+] {2}	[23:02]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 97 @ 0.0031821 = 0.3087 BTC [-]	[23:02]
davout	got myself "Options, futures, and other derivatives" doing the problems, I feel like I'm back in college xD	[23:03]
davout	mike_c: see, that's the kind of graphs I want to really understand by coming up with them the hard way :-)	[23:03]
benkay	pricing options is an open problem, yes.	[23:03]
davout	the MPOE bot knows something about it hehe	[23:04]
mike_c	i value learning by experience, but the p/l graphs are definitely something you should understand before trading options.	[23:04]
davout	i'm not touching options, and i certainly won't write them	[23:05]
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benkay	if you really want to understand options, write a pricing algo.	[23:06]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 0.155 BTC [-]	[23:07]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 221 @ 0.0077 = 1.7017 BTC	[23:09]
asciilifeform	benkay: lattice crypto is interesting but (relatively) poorly studied; plenty of opportunity for fukkupy	[23:09]
asciilifeform	and the pubkeys tend to end up hefty (64kB+.)	[23:09]
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benkay	i'd like to see a shor-resistant cryptocurrency.	[23:14]
benkay	kinda the only altcoin that makes practical sense.	[23:15]
asciilifeform	benkay: there are several hypothetical altcoins that would make practical sense.	[23:16]
benkay	just so that when cold wallets start emptying themselves those who keep their eyes on these things have another class of cryptocoin to move into.	[23:16]
asciilifeform	say, my crackpot 'turingcoin' (arbitrary calculation for workfunction.)	[23:16]
davout	benkay: i guess i'll need to understand how to model volatility before writing one	[23:17]
mircea_popescu	davout the main difference between options and futures is that a correctly implemented future allows physical delivery,	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	which keeps the market honest.	[23:18]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [COG] 3 @ 0.051 = 0.153 BTC [-]	[23:18]
davout	can you elaborate on the keeping the market honest part ?	[23:18]
mircea_popescu	absent that, futures are awkwardly skinned options.	[23:18]
davout	and on the awkwardly skinned options part ? :-)	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	davout yeah. if you buy the right to receive livestock in the future, as long as you can't actually take the livestock	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	you're stuck realising whatever price whoever sold you the contract decides	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	ifthey say livestock is 10 dollars that's that.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	if however you CAN take the livestock, then they are well incentivised to not declare livestock worth 10 dollars, cause you'll just take it.	[23:19]
davout	when you close your position you mean?	[23:19]
davout	ya i see	[23:19]
asciilifeform	self-emptying coldwallets, should they appear, would almost certainly be explained by compromised electronics (airgap that isn't) rather than QM sorcery.	[23:19]
mircea_popescu	at all points.	[23:20]
davout	finance is terrifyingly interesting	[23:20]
mircea_popescu	an option resolves this problem by trading on the spot. futures trade on their own "implied" spot, and so you can easily be stuck	[23:20]
davout	learning about it is quite enjoyable	[23:20]
davout	you lost me there	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	(for instance it's convincingly arguing atm that the large banks are keeping rthe gold price very low throuigh this exact trickery)	[23:21]
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benkay	whereas if you take posession of the livestock, you can sell them for the market price.	[23:21]
mircea_popescu	davout the price at which options settle is not related to the price at which options trade, in the sense these are independent values.	[23:22]
mircea_popescu	the price at which futures settle is QUITE the price at which they trade.	[23:22]
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davout	but the spot is still the spot right? i mean, it reflects the actual price of things? or am i missing something obvious here?	[23:22]
benkay	asciilifeform: the first set of course	[23:23]
mircea_popescu	thje spot is the spot, but the actual price shall never be known.	[23:23]
davout	haha	[23:23]
benkay	asciilifeform: i'm entertaining ideas about practical altcoin design	[23:23]
asciilifeform	benkay: programmable workfunction (part of the protocol, in my concept) would give you some teeth against asic, etc.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	why do you want " teeth against asic" ?	[23:24]
ThickAsThieves	hey guys, where can I short the bitcoin?	[23:24]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: if you're sitting on a warehouse full of fpga.	[23:24]
mircea_popescu	seems a silly way to design things	[23:25]
davout	mircea_popescu: i'm at chapter 2 of my book, hopefully i'll grok moar and come up with better questions as i progress	[23:25]
asciilifeform	or simply if you'd prefer a cryptocoin that doesn't degenerate into semiconductor plants as central banks	[23:25]
mircea_popescu	davout enjoi.	[23:25]
benkay	asciilifeform: examples: targeting fpga's; dynamic workfns (as you mentioned); sorcery resistance	[23:25]
TomServo	davout: which book?	[23:25]
ThickAsThieves	http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/04/romanian-farmville-gang-con-400000-from-government-with-fake-farms-4215956/	[23:26]
davout	TomServo: http://www.amazon.fr/Options-Futures-Other-Derivatives-John/dp/0132777428	[23:26]
TomServo	Thanks	[23:26]
davout	feels like a good way to invest 100eur	[23:26]
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TomServo	ThickAsThieves: This is the UK onion right? sigh	[23:28]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00299 = 0.299 BTC [-]	[23:28]
dub	asciilifeform: swapping them for guys with warehouses of pgas as central banks?	[23:28]
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asciilifeform	dub: naturally. i was reasoning from the point of view of the people who have them. they have an incentive.	[23:29]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00317293 = 0.3173 BTC [-] {4}	[23:31]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [7C] 20 @ 0.0077 = 0.154 BTC	[23:35]
ThickAsThieves	http://www.coindesk.com/asic-miners-litecoin-soon/	[23:38]
pankkake	http://pastebin.com/RRSPfDkp I get a PM a day about this stupid altcoin now :/	[23:39]
ozbot	Hello I came across your giveaway thread at---https://bitcointalk - Pastebin.com	[23:39]
pankkake	haha and they don't accept litecoin as payment	[23:42]
benkay	hey mircea_popescu what does anul 5 d.Tr. mean?	[23:42]
mike_c	asciilifeform: i don't see how arbitrary work function helps. have you written something up on this? i'm missing the part where it keeps asics out of the game.	[23:43]
pankkake	;;ud anul	[23:43]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=anul \| this is a mis-spelling of anal which could then lead to abuse by two bi-sexuals.	[23:43]
ozbot	Urban Dictionary: anul	[23:43]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 22 @ 0.0249409 = 0.5487 BTC [+] {3}	[23:43]
KRS\|gotyawallet	wut lel	[23:43]
mike_c	like you said, governments can crank out a new asic in a matter of weeks..	[23:44]
TomServo	benkay: Year 5, I think?	[23:44]
KRS\|gotyawallet	mike_c: not the U.S.. I mean, have you known the U.S. to get anything done in a matter of weeks?	[23:44]
mike_c	asciilifeform said the nsa has a plant that does it	[23:44]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [HMF] 126 @ 0.02499999 = 3.15 BTC [+] {2}	[23:44]
asciilifeform	well, that could in principle do it.	[23:45]
pankkake	they can force Intel to do it	[23:45]
asciilifeform	the point wouldn't be to wiggle out from under each new batch of asics	[23:45]
asciilifeform	but to run a network with heterogeneous workfunctions.	[23:45]
mike_c	i don't see how that prevents the semiconductor plants from being boss. they can still crank out the most work, regardless of what that work is.	[23:48]
mike_c	unless its planting tomatoes or something.	[23:48]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.33809999 BTC [+]	[23:55]
ThickAsThieves	so this forbes guy that wanted to short bitcoin so badly, ythink he knew about this china announcement?	[23:56]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 166 @ 0.002995 = 0.4972 BTC [+]	[23:58]
KRS\|gotyawallet	shady shit	[23:58]

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