Forum logs for 05 Apr 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
mircea_popescu easy enough to try no ? recipe published. [00:01]
nubbins` so i used BCP to strip out all of the boost shit that's not needed for bitcoind [00:02]
nubbins` got up to this point: [00:02]
assbot ... ( ) [00:02]
nubbins` this is cross-compiling for pogo [00:02]
mircea_popescu seems libcrypto's broken ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu do you have ? [00:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30003 @ 0.00027049 = 8.1155 BTC [-] {2} [00:12]
nubbins` .so would be the shared lib, .a is static -- looks like libcrypto.a is complaining [00:18]
nubbins` /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' [00:18]
nubbins` anyway this is farther than before. actually cleared out an enormous amount of boost libs [00:18]
nubbins` if you get bcp compiled, you can just do the following to spit out a custom subset of boost, tailored for your project: [00:19]
nubbins` ./bcp --scan --boost=~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/boost_1_52_0 ~/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/bitcoin/src/*.cpp ~/dev/myboost/ [00:21]
nubbins` no sense compiling e.g. a ton of boost python libs [00:21]
nubbins` bcp is included in the boost download, cd $BOOST_ROOT; ./; ./bjam tools/bcp [00:23]
nubbins` executable is in dist/bin [00:23]
mircea_popescu right. [00:25]
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nubbins` groan/facepalm [00:42]
nubbins` undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' <<< dlerror returns last DYNAMIC LINKING ERROR [00:42]
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mircea_popescu heh [00:48]
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ascii_modem anyone read the mem stats? [00:59]
ascii_modem surreal moment. [00:59]
ascii_modem ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo [01:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11820 @ 0.00027 = 3.1914 BTC [-] [01:02]
ascii_modem be aware that, like the rest of opensourcedom, it is in a fairly advanced state of ... declapse (tm) [01:02]
ascii_modem (decay that inevitably leads to collapse) [01:02]
nubbins` sounds better than collay [01:03]
ascii_modem colline. [01:03]
nubbins` incrementally closer to portatronic pogotron. it's now complaining about libcrypto referencing a libdl component [01:03]
ascii_modem libdl?!!!!! [01:04]
nubbins` yeah. [01:04]
nubbins` which leads me to believe the openssl compile might need to be looked at. [01:04]
ascii_modem you know what libdl is [01:04]
nubbins` yep. [01:04]
nubbins` and it's BANANAS TOWN that it's popping up here [01:04]
ascii_modem here's a perverse idea [01:06]
nubbins` dynamically link all the things? [01:06]
ascii_modem openwatcom/linux. [01:06]
nubbins` eeeeh [01:07]
ascii_modem it exists. beloved classic compiler used by almost all msdos games outfits in '90s [01:07]
ascii_modem opensourced about a decade ago [01:08]
ascii_modem mostly frozen in time. [01:08]
ascii_modem betcha it staticlinks... [01:08]
nubbins` /home/nubs/dev/bitcoin-v0_5_3_1/ourlibs/lib/libcrypto.a(dso_dlfcn.o): undefined reference to symbol 'dlerror' [01:09]
nubbins` well. some context: [01:10]
assbot ... ( ) [01:10]
ascii_modem and before mircea_popescu asks - no i dont have rigorous proof of equivalence of watcom to gcc [01:10]
ascii_modem Or! of his gcc to mine to yours to ... rms's ! [01:10]
nubbins` rmscc [01:11]
ascii_modem eventually we -will- find that the whole tower was mortarred together with old snot. [01:11]
nubbins` [01:12]
assbot [2015-04-03] The 5,000Btc hidden treasure, and the key to finding it. ... ( ) [01:12]
nubbins` "He did post it. Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit), but ALL of the videos on his youtube were reported and removed for copyright infringement, including the ones showing detail work because there was music playing on the radio in the background. In short he already went out of his way to prove his innocence to a bunch of stalker idiots here just to have his accounts shut down and was tired [01:13]
nubbins` of playing games. Use your own eyeballs/brain instead of listening to the mob of neckbeards who harassed/negged him. " [01:13]
nubbins` he unbanned himself with an exploit :0 [01:13]
ascii_modem wut [01:14]
nubbins` i think there's something in the forum's water supply [01:15]
nubbins` this is the $10mn/year master carver he's talking about, that's using 0day exploits to unban himself from the forum [01:16]
nubbins` so that he may deliver his piece de resistance: a 500btc scavenger hunt that can only be solved by purchasing all of his old laser-engraved coins from the various sock accounts that "bought" them [01:16]
nubbins` it's like the usms thing but on the forum [01:17]
ascii_modem as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman [01:17]
nubbins` oh, sorry, 5000 btc. [01:17]
ascii_modem why not 50000? [01:18]
nubbins` not sure. [01:18]
nubbins` he says he buried it in a capsule somewhere [01:18]
ascii_modem how do these folks decide how many zeroes [01:18]
nubbins` oh, wait, it was a thousand "bronze bitcoins" or smth with 5btc on each [01:18]
nubbins` i think they have zero dice [01:18]
nubbins` roll a few, count the naughts [01:19]
ascii_modem star product concept [01:19]
nubbins` aughts? [01:19]
ascii_modem handcarveit [01:19]
nubbins` goose eggs [01:19]
nubbins` "Not only was he banned from this forum that day (he unbanned himself with an exploit)" [01:19]
nubbins` ah, goodness [01:19]
ascii_modem did anyone ever actually buy from this nitwit ? [01:20]
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decimation ascii_modem: I thought we went over the libdl/openssl thing [01:22]
nubbins` from what i can figure, he buys accounts [01:22]
nubbins` and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins [01:22]
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nubbins` with the exception of one or two rubes [01:22]
decimation [01:22]
assbot Logged on 12-03-2015 04:37:31; decimation: mod6: try modding the openssl 'configure' stuff to use 'no-dso' [01:22]
nubbins` ohhhhhh [01:22]
nubbins` nice [01:22]
nubbins` wait, hold on [01:22]
decimation I thought he put that in the script [01:22]
ascii_modem did anyone try this? i forget [01:22]
decimation I did, on my own [01:23]
ascii_modem works? [01:23]
nubbins` sorry [01:23]
decimation well, it compiled anyway [01:23]
nubbins` it's in, not portatronic [01:23]
nubbins` one sec [01:23]
decimation I didn't run it to full sync [01:23]
nubbins` lel the roomie and his friend are watching "death of a fuckin salesman" [01:26]
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decimation !up ascii_modem [01:28]
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ascii_modem when will we read 'death of a sp4mz0r' ? [01:28]
nubbins` glengarry glen spam [01:29]
nubbins` the shouting is starting to get really good now [01:29]
decimation ascii_modem: did you see the earlier note about glibc compiled statically [01:29]
ascii_modem decimation: ? [01:30]
decimation well, redhat provides a static libc [01:30]
decimation the libnss symbols are present therein [01:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15319 @ 0.00027266 = 4.1769 BTC [+] [01:30]
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ascii_modem if i can't replicate it with my existing toolchain - it doesnt exist [01:31]
decimation ah you are using uclibc for pogo [01:33]
nubbins` i am [01:34]
ascii_modem same [01:34]
nubbins` go small or go to the mall [01:34]
decimation well, the redhat glibc static build is pretty much just building glibc with -static [01:36]
nubbins` ok, so the libdl/DSO thing is gone [01:38]
nubbins` [01:38]
assbot ... ( ) [01:38]
decimation ok from uclibc docs/Glibc_vs_uClibc_Differences.txt [01:39]
decimation 6) uClibc does not support NSS (/lib/libnss_*), which allows glibc to easily support various methods of authentication and DNS resolution. uClibc only supports flat password files and shadow password files for storing authentication information. If you need something more complex than this, you can compile and install pam. [01:39]
decimation so this is not an issue for pogo anyway [01:39]
ascii_modem this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. [01:40]
decimation indeed [01:40]
decimation all the more reason to use embedded buildroot/minimal distro [01:40]
nubbins` +1 [01:41]
decimation the amount of bloat in glibc is quite shocking [01:41]
decimation I mostly blame redhat [01:41]
decimation they want to turn linux into winblows [01:41]
nubbins` who doesn't [01:42]
nubbins` meanwhile windows wants to turn itself into a bunch of sheets of coloured construction paper laid out on a blue tarp [01:43]
decimation < ""We never ever go into a customer and say, 'There's an application that's not supported on RHEL," Cormier said. "If it's supported on Windows, it's supported on RHEL."" [01:44]
assbot How Red Hat killed its core product—and became a billion-dollar business | Ars Technica ... ( ) [01:44]
decimation ^ what he means, specifically, is that you can enslave your rhel machine to a winblows 'kerberos/ldap' server [01:46]
decimation which gives us glibc turdlets [01:46]
* Adlai never understood why nobody wrote a tree-shaking compiler [01:49]
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ascii_modem ^ [01:49]
decimation ascii_modem: suddenly talk about lisp machines seems cool [01:50]
ascii_modem one reason is that it is damnably hard for c/cpp [01:50]
decimation there's this thing [01:51]
assbot CompCert ... ( ) [01:51]
Adlai sure, but it's not like this is the first time people have wanted to use minimal functionality from existing libraries [01:51]
decimation ^ I tried to use it once, immediately puked when it encountered system libraries [01:51]
ascii_modem safety-critical c, l0l!! [01:52]
decimation don't laugh ascii, it's apparently industry standard [01:53]
ascii_modem the car-with-stuck-accelerator industry? [01:54]
decimation aye that's what I'm thinking of [01:54]
ascii_modem or the plane-falls-like-brick one [01:54]
decimation it's in the logs somewhere. point is, there's a whole cottage industry around trying to 'support' C for missions that matter [01:55]
decimation the lite version for interested folks < " [01:56]
decimation Barr's ultimate conclusions were that: Toyota’s electronic throttle control system (ETCS) source code is of unreasonable quality. Toyota’s source code is defective and contains bugs, including bugs that can cause unintended acceleration (UA). Code-quality metrics predict presence of additional bugs. Toyota’s fail safes are defective and inadequate (referring to them as a “house of cards” safety architecture). [01:56]
decimation Misbehaviors of Toyota’s ETCS are a cause of UA. " [01:56]
assbot Toyota's killer firmware: Bad design and its consequences | EDN ... ( ) [01:56]
decimation "Although the investigation focused almost entirely on software, there is at least one HW factor: Toyota claimed the 2005 Camry's main CPU had error detecting and correcting (EDAC) RAM. It didn't. EDAC, or at least parity RAM, is relatively easy and low-cost insurance for safety-critical systems." [01:57]
decimation lol [01:57]
decimation one wonders how much of our lives depend directly on such hard and soft turdware [01:57]
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decimation !up ascii_modem [01:59]
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ascii_modem as much as we let. [01:59]
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decimation rms was right about this kind of stuff [02:00]
decimation if 'we' let vendors hide their software, they will produce turds [02:00]
ascii_modem it will happen until hammurabic punishment is reintroduced. [02:01]
Adlai something like compcert doesn't help when the libraries have mounds of garbage code, even if it "works," you just get mounds of garbage object code [02:01]
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decimation Adlai: yeah I don't think it will even let you link with any modern open source standard libraries [02:01]
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ascii_modem fits-in-head is the only answer. though it goes well with a balanced diet of public impalements for wreckerz [02:02]
ascii_modem fitted non-ecc ram in a car? enjoy being used as living crash dummy in next test [02:03]
decimation at least toyota got to pocket $0.50! [02:04]
ascii_modem some berkshire 'wriggleys' is laughing all the way to the bank [02:05]
ascii_modem but it is important to remember -why- [02:05]
ascii_modem it is -not!- because the non-ecc chip is cheaper [02:05]
ascii_modem but because the unreflective imbecile who signed off on it is. [02:06]
decimation ^ should be sat upon stake [02:06]
ascii_modem cheaper than that endangered animal, the actual engineer... [02:07]
decimation somewhere there was a sweatshop where some asian person was committing code to this device [02:07]
decimation and that person either *knew* what he was doing or was pathologically ignorant [02:08]
ascii_modem quite possibly did not even know, for toyota or toy car [02:08]
ascii_modem but someone -decided- to use the idiot coolie [02:09]
decimation true. it's also possible that the code was acquired from elsewhere, written for some other purpose, and was 'merit-washed' into the ecm module [02:09]
ascii_modem ^ not uncommon [02:09]
decimation not uncommon at all - for instance, openssl [02:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00027266 = 2.6175 BTC [+] [02:11]
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mircea_popescu << ftr, i've given up on it. imo gentoo is too retarded to be usable. [02:42]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 03:56:30; ascii_modem: ben_vulpes: congrats re: gentoo [02:42]
mircea_popescu << lol. [02:45]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:26; nubbins`: it's like the usms thing but on the forum [02:45]
mircea_popescu << quite exactly that, actually. [02:46]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 04:12:42; ascii_modem: as someone who only ever knew about it from #b-a links - i thought it was a kinda nature preserve just for folks like woodman [02:46]
mircea_popescu << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. [02:47]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins [02:47]
mircea_popescu << maybe i'm from the wrong asylum, but what exactly does "provide a static X" mean ? [02:48]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 04:25:47; decimation: well, redhat provides a static libc [02:48]
mircea_popescu ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? [02:48]
mircea_popescu i want it from nsa directly. what is this. [02:48]
mircea_popescu << apparently we were not the only ones to notice glibc got raped. [02:49]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27088 @ 0.00027215 = 7.372 BTC [-] [02:49]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 04:36:00; ascii_modem: this invites the question of why should we ever use conventional libc again. [02:49]
ben_vulpes i have a gentoo that comes up as expected - but sans eth0, and damned if i can figure out why. [02:50]
ben_vulpes anyways, that's enough for one day. [02:50]
ben_vulpes (*damned* frustrating, that networking thing) [02:51]
ben_vulpes (live cd connects through virtualization layer just happily [02:51]
ben_vulpes but compiled kernel and gentoo - simply refuses. indubitably attributable to operator error.) [02:52]
trinque ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 [02:52]
trinque then start the symlink [02:52]
trinque because magic is awesome [02:52]
trinque then there's of course having the right kernel module going [02:53]
ben_vulpes i-i'm scared, t-trinque [02:54]
mircea_popescu i'm fucking depressed. [02:55]
ben_vulpes waI/ [02:55]
ben_vulpes ? [02:55]
ben_vulpes pressed shitboard all the way down? [02:56]
mircea_popescu because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. [02:56]
mats and here i thought mp was going to show a moment of vulnerability [02:59]
trinque someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer [02:59]
trinque can't have that because it wouldn't be gentoo! [02:59]
trinque yes it would [02:59]
mircea_popescu "someone could solve this" [02:59]
mircea_popescu sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. [03:00]
mircea_popescu ubuntu is practically 10.04 [03:00]
trinque hm, how do you resolve it? [03:00]
trinque either it's easy to install and becomes the shit-smeared playground, or it's pulling teeth and marginally less shit-smeared, it seems [03:01]
mircea_popescu how. spiked club in one hand, plank-with-nail in another hand. [03:01]
mircea_popescu stepping on transvestite cocks and hispster beards, in a swamp of hurt feelings. [03:01]
trinque haha, the plank with nail is unstoppable [03:02]
trinque sounds like a hell of a fun time [03:02]
mircea_popescu sadly intelligent people are coditioned to fear hurting idiots, instead of enjoying it. [03:02]
mircea_popescu anyway, it's the most objectionable thing ever, all this list of gotchas. [03:04]
mircea_popescu trying to install gentoo is like taking an exam for public servancy [03:04]
mircea_popescu "you mean to tell me you wrote down form f.45.b instead of 4.5.fb ?!?!?! [03:04]
mircea_popescu if i wanted to live like that i'd have stayed in academia." [03:05]
trinque oh god the mundane knowledge you must have to operate it [03:05]
trinque I don't feel smarter doing this [03:05]
mircea_popescu that'd be the problem. [03:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13329 @ 0.00027215 = 3.6275 BTC [-] [03:13]
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BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [03:23]
gribble Current Blocks: 350791 | Current Difficulty: 4.944639068824144E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 352799 | Next Difficulty In: 2008 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 2 weeks, 0 days, 10 hours, 42 minutes, and 18 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 78486415641.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 58.73032 [03:23]
mats << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel [03:30]
assbot Logged on 02-04-2015 20:59:21; asciilifeform: mats: i can trivially make mincemeat of this by issuing raw dma cycles. [03:30]
mats quoth the spender: "the problem i set out to solve with UDEREF was that many kernel bugs can be exploited (at all or more reliably) due to the fact that on i386 most OSs don't separate the userland virtual address space from that of the kernel. this in turn means that whenever userland can make the kernel (unexpectedly) dereference a userland controlled [03:33]
mats pointer, userland can control the data (and sometimes, control) flow of the kernel by virtue of providing the attack data in its own userland address range as it's fully visible in the kernel's virtual address space as well" [03:33]
mats << for the logs [03:35]
assbot 404 Not Found ... ( ) [03:35]
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mircea_popescu im starting to realise the "bitcoin atm" thing is actually just a sort of "freedom toaster" v2.0 [05:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8764 @ 0.00027599 = 2.4188 BTC [+] [05:38]
BingoBoingo Wait, you had other impression of it? [05:40]
mircea_popescu i originally imagined it's a misguided attempt to make money, [05:42]
mircea_popescu rather than a ludicrous attempt to be hipsterashionable. [05:42]
BingoBoingo Will it's an attempt to make some money for the people selling the boxes, but mostly it's a piece of conference swag some naive souls tried to introduce into the real world. [05:44]
mircea_popescu aha [05:45]
BingoBoingo Setup a freedom toaster at a conference, some idiots are going to put one up in a space they have access to thinking it will attact passerby outside the conference distortion swirl, same with BTC ATMs [05:48]
mircea_popescu it's a bizarre sort of museum-ification of life. [05:49]
BingoBoingo There's probably some subset of compulsive behavior spectrum that desperately wants whatever they are doing to actual be museum'ing [06:04]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Gold to drop under $1000 before August 2015" Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 20(Y):80(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.65237 BTC. Current weight: 86,479. [06:38]
[]bot Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Silver at or over $22/oz before October" Odds: 32(Y):68(N) by coin, 33(Y):67(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.265139 BTC. Current weight: 92,827. [06:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00028224 = 2.9011 BTC [+] [06:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6900 @ 0.00028229 = 1.9478 BTC [+] {2} [07:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25250 @ 0.00028277 = 7.1399 BTC [+] {2} [07:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00028334 = 3.1876 BTC [+] {2} [07:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33500 @ 0.00027671 = 9.2698 BTC [-] {4} [08:12]
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cazalla danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted [08:22]
assbot Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | ... ( ) [08:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10950 @ 0.00027841 = 3.0486 BTC [+] {2} [10:26]
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nubbins` oh jeez so many eaten messages [10:32]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> << i still want to know what was in for blazedout to shill for him. <<< i still have NFI [10:32]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 04:17:34; nubbins`: and uses the bought accounts to "buy" his coins [10:32]
nubbins` <+trinque> ben_vulpes: gentoo has this dumb scheme where you have to symlink /etc/init.d/net.lo to say /etc/init.d/net.eth0 <<< +1 [10:32]
nubbins` ben_vulpes my eth0 is named enp0s3 in gentoo by default [10:33]
nubbins` try ifconfig to see if yours is same [10:33]
nubbins` [10:37]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation's Corporate Counsel (Greg Egan) just resigned. [10:38]
nubbins` i like this guy [10:38]
nubbins` okay, this is good: [10:39]
nubbins` now it's happening when i try to (re-)compile bdb rather than when i try to compile bitcoind [10:39]
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nubbins` <+cazalla> danielpbarron, ha check it out, that freebsdgirl ya had it out with on twitter got swatted <<< this imo is explicit admission by her enemies that they have no external genitalia [10:47]
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nubbins` morn [10:57]
punkman << couple cops showing up and being polite doesn't sound like "SWATed" [11:03]
assbot Tales from the Trenches: I was SWATed | ... ( ) [11:03]
ascii_modem mega-log [11:03]
ascii_modem mircea_popescu: gentoo is not so much a 'usable linux' as a -machine for building a usable linux-. sorta like 'buildroot'. would you also say that, e.g., a lathe - is 'unusable' ? [11:06]
mircea_popescu for me, yes [11:08]
mircea_popescu a lathe is the essence of unusable. [11:08]
ascii_modem me, i find all those -other- distros, the ones that insist on littering my disk with all those bins i didn't ask for and that werent built in my home - unusable [11:08]
mircea_popescu these are completely separate problems. [11:09]
ascii_modem ? [11:09]
mircea_popescu so i find prisses unusable and you find crosseyed women unusable. so ? [11:09]
nubbins` <+mircea_popescu> a lathe is the essence of unusable. <<< o.O i bet you have soft hands [11:09]
mircea_popescu very. and feet. [11:10]
nubbins` heh [11:10]
nubbins` if you want to complete the picture, tell me your handshake is limp and clammy [11:10]
mircea_popescu nop. [11:10]
nubbins` ;/ [11:10]
mircea_popescu again, entirely separate propblems, these. [11:10]
nubbins` a study in poopsites [11:10]
nubbins` also opposites. [11:10]
nubbins` :( [11:10]
mircea_popescu lol [11:10]
ascii_modem i find it odd that mircea_popescu does not handle linux in same way as lathe or - hell - dental work [11:11]
mircea_popescu i can. ocasionally i choose not to. [11:11]
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ascii_modem << ftr a new gentoo box usually takes me at least a week - if on sane hardware [11:16]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 05:52:05; mircea_popescu: because it is unacceptable for a world to exist where i may have to spend more than an hour getting a new os running. [11:16]
mircea_popescu and you do not see a problem with this ? [11:17]
mircea_popescu i didn't say it should take YOU an hour. i said it should take me an hour. [11:17]
ascii_modem << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick [11:18]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer [11:18]
mircea_popescu and i'm not counting whatever it takes to compile. just, it is not sane to expect me to go through laundry lists for minute after minute after minute. [11:18]
ascii_modem that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin [11:19]
mircea_popescu yeah well... [11:19]
ascii_modem and done once [11:20]
ascii_modem << exactly [11:21]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 05:55:23; mircea_popescu: sure, someone could. the moment someone does you get ubuntu - two years of unusable, six months of barely usable and then insta-poettering. [11:21]
mircea_popescu what was bitcoind using that ended up pulling libnss via glibc ? gethostbyaddr() was it ? [11:22]
ascii_modem no royal road, people [11:22]
mircea_popescu BULL! [11:22]
ascii_modem mircea_popescu: dns in general , aha [11:22]
nubbins` why did i not have this issue [11:24]
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nubbins` !up ascii_modem [11:25]
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ascii_modem nubbins': which issue [11:25]
nubbins` w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. [11:26]
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ascii_modem you did, no ? [11:26]
ascii_modem until killed the dns crap [11:26]
nubbins` oh right, yeah, the dns-snip patch killed that [11:27]
ascii_modem though i'm pretty sure it left a dns turd in somewhere - so a bit odd, this [11:28]
nubbins` hmmmmmmm, cross-toolchain just spit out a static binary. [11:28]
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ascii_modem nubbins': run on pogotron [11:28]
ascii_modem if runs - genuinely static [11:29]
nubbins` nod [11:29]
nubbins` ldd says so, but proof is in pudding [11:29]
ascii_modem the -only- real test [11:29]
nubbins` gotta set atftp [11:29]
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ascii_modem i still want to know why gentoo has the only honest (re: stdint) gcc ! [11:32]
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decimation < I apologize for failing to convey my meaning well. I meant that redhat 'provides' this as a source package, and therefore one could examine exactly how they did it - not to swallow the binary without inspection. Source is here > [11:34]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 05:43:38; mircea_popescu: ie, my way out of swallowing random binary strange is to get a solid block of binary strange ? from... red hat ? [11:34]
ascii_modem << fuck 'mitigation' and the surrender built into the word. i insist on -extirpation- -- with hot iron [11:34]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 06:26:08; mats: << UDEREF is about best-effort userland/kernel separation for exploit mitigation, not limiting the capability of the kernel [11:34]
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ascii_modem decimation: the source rpm still needs rathead to build [11:35]
nubbins` ugh c'mon tftp [11:35]
nubbins` /home/ftp # tftp just spits out usage instructions [11:35]
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ascii_modem nubbins': use atftpd [11:37]
decimation well, it does need rpmbuild at least, it would probably be difficult to work without redhat [11:37]
decimation Although if I recall a version of rpmbuild was available on gentoo [11:37]
decimation < because uclibc doesn't even support nss [11:39]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 14:21:21; nubbins`: w/e the libnss thing is. details escape me now. [11:39]
nubbins` ascii_modem actually it was the client side that baffled me, heh. [11:39]
nubbins` check it OUT: [11:39]
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decimation although the question of what it does with gethostbyaddr() is a good one [11:39]
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nubbins` no storage attached at all, so i can't tell if it, y'know, does anything [11:40]
nubbins` but i think this is sufficient proof, yes? [11:40]
decimation mostly, yes [11:40]
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nubbins` so that's static bitcoind, running on pogotron, built with portatronic toolchain. [11:40]
mats well ofc provably preventing the exploit is preferable. PaX like a custom Gentoo build, relying on the attacker not knowing it's there, and/or failing to react accordingly [11:40]
decimation good job nubbins` [11:41]
mircea_popescu decimation o i c. [11:42]
decimation apparently uclibc has a dns client that opens /etc/resolv.conf itself, built into the code [11:43]
decimation libc/inet/resolv.conf [11:43]
decimation libc/inet/resolv.c [11:43]
mircea_popescu yeah apparently uclibc is made specifically because of this/similar issues [11:44]
mircea_popescu at least looks to me like something along those lines [11:44]
nubbins` here's my [11:44]
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nubbins` please note the Boost section -- i'm using a custom subset of the full boost libs [11:44]
nubbins` you'll need to use bcp (see logs) to trim out the fat and gristle [11:45]
nubbins` otherwise your boost build will fail [11:45]
nubbins` i'm gonna try this all from scratch once more just to verify [11:45]
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nubbins` ok fwiw that does have problems, i'll try to polish it later [11:57]
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nubbins` also the bcp stuff could totally be included in same, not sure if this is something people want [11:57]
nubbins` or if they'd rather do it manually as needed [11:57]
nubbins` but i don't think it's a *terrible* idea for our install script to only compile the parts of boost that we need [11:58]
mircea_popescu epic shit nubsy [11:58]
nubbins` imagine, i thought i left this life behind. [11:58]
mircea_popescu pls to make a proper patch in full glory so people can benefit from fruits of your genius. [11:58]
nubbins` yah [11:58]
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trinque ascii_modem | << lol installer?!! as in copying other folks' bins over? ick << nah, just bash script that plonks you into a partition editor, then a list of architectures, then has you pick a stage, etc; script the scriptable parts of the manual, and leave everything that should be.. manual :D [13:53]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 05:54:27; trinque: someone could solve this; gentoo has this neckbeard orthodoxy which imo is the only thing preventing it from having a proper installer [13:53]
trinque I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. [13:55]
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BingoBoingo mats: "The packages, at 4 inches by 6 inches, are not easily concealed, he said. And because of the single-use packaging, he said, it would be easier to spike a punchbowl with a large bottle of rum." << I was telling people you wouldn't lose volume by powdering the stuff [20:57]
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nubbins` absent title: "the bitcoin protocol doesn't exist" [21:13]
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mircea_popescu lolk. [21:37]
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asciilifeform ^ anything from that link other than factual ? [21:47]
asciilifeform lies by omission re: who broke, yes [21:47]
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mircea_popescu it's entirely untrue, and a poor attempt at trying to salvage some clout for the power rangers. [21:51]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is in fact a very solid protocol, and it flows in an unbroken line from software pre 0.5.x and from block 1. [21:52]
mircea_popescu pretense to the contrary is just that, pretense, readily explained by the desperation in usg quarters post their loss of their main asset in here. [21:52]
mircea_popescu it is kind-of fascinating for me that they were actually this unprepared for gavin getting headshot. [21:54]
mircea_popescu (you can trace Patrick McKenzie / starfighter if you feel like it0 [21:57]
mircea_popescu marginally amusing read, stuff like (grep for "Sounds like BS, right. I know. I’m a generic web programmer (yay Ruby, meh JavaScript, boo low-level anything). The last time I played a CTF, written by my cofounders, they had me breaking into locks controlled by micro controllers which ran embedded assembly code.") [21:58]
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-assbot- You voiced Birdman for 30 minutes. [22:02]
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Birdman [20:57] thoughts on the Chinese's AIIB? [22:02]
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Birdman Apparently nations are falling head over heels to switch over [22:03]
mircea_popescu this is not exactly new. was discussed here back in the lead-up to the cn-ru financial compact [22:03]
Birdman Then I suppose I should read up on the logs, thanks. [22:03]
mircea_popescu beijing accords or wtf they were called [22:04]
mircea_popescu it was pretty clear at the time the ru "sanctions" were nailgun suicide. [22:04]
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mircea_popescu aha. [22:08]
mircea_popescu << you know, you should fucking publish it. [22:09]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 14:14:53; ascii_modem: that part takes me 1h at most. it is deliberately manual, like the sub reactors, or therealbitcoin [22:09]
mircea_popescu so it's done once not just at level you, but at the whole wot level. [22:09]
mircea_popescu << couldn't have said it better myself. [22:10]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 16:50:58; trinque: I don't want decisions made for me; I want bricks laid for me. [22:10]
mircea_popescu << ahh the excitement of the geek that laid an egg :D [22:11]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 17:22:50; nubbins`: would be nice to get some people to test this patch when it's ready [22:11]
mircea_popescu << exactly the right name for that comment lol [22:11]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 18:06:07; Apocalyptic: ^ only for that fact alone it's a good experience [22:11]
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mircea_popescu << pretty great read ftr. guy's likable. [22:17]
assbot making security sausage [22:17]
mircea_popescu << even names dogecoin, with correct usage in context. [22:23]
assbot analysis of d2i_X509 reuse [22:23]
nubbins` bitcoinrpc.cpp is a big one [22:24]
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mircea_popescu feel the need for silverware nubbins` ? [22:25]
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mircea_popescu << a man with just one pogo is like the woman trying to get pregnant off a single spermatozoid. [22:26]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 19:39:37; ben_vulpes: me pogo's at the office [22:26]
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mircea_popescu “The likelihood of widespread Palcohol abuse — particularly among underage consumers — carries a real possibility of tragic consequences,” Mr. Franchot said in a statement, “which is why I’m so pleased by the industry’s unified response to protect the public from such a dangerous product.” [22:31]
mircea_popescu lawl. errything that's broken, in one sentence. [22:31]
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mircea_popescu re this entire "powdered alcohol" bs : why the fuck would i drink a galon of cyclodextrine slog for a quart of alcohol ? [22:33]
mircea_popescu why not eat cotton imbibed in milk. [22:33]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [22:36]
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asciilifeform 'palcohol' << anyone remember when they banned the etoh antidote ? [22:39]
mircea_popescu what was that ? [22:40]
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mircea_popescu << what an actual feminist actually sounds like. *like*. copying the form does not result in being a feminist. [22:48]
assbot Trauma is complicated. After a couple of years of... — My Exquisite Pain ... ( ) [22:48]
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mircea_popescu the important part being that the pansy-ass ten year olds masquerading as adults have reclassified as "trauma" a large swath of life experiences that are exactly necessary for the woman. [22:49]
mircea_popescu much like the same idiots have reclassified natural phenomena like wildfire as "bad", notwithstanding that coniferous trees will only open the seedpods if they get scorched. [22:49]
mircea_popescu because they lived there forever, and are adapted to what there *means*. [22:50]
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TomServo Ethereum wallet down to 486 BTC. [23:13]
asciilifeform << vintage lol [23:15]
assbot Hyde Park Media | Paul Fisher Space Pen ... ( ) [23:15]
asciilifeform 'With that he interrupted me and said, `Mr. Fisher, you as an individual have no inalienable rights. You live in a democracy subject to the will of the majority, and the will of the majority, through an act of Congress can deprive you of any right.'' [23:15]
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mircea_popescu lmao wut. [23:21]
mircea_popescu "I don't remember that," Fisher says. "But the inmates did tell me they had never eaten so good until I arrived." [23:23]
mircea_popescu tales from the early soviets. [23:23]
mircea_popescu could be romania back when ceausescu was trying to play prague spring supporter just as well. [23:24]
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pete_dushenski o hello [23:24]
pete_dushenski thx bb [23:24]
pete_dushenski lol i was wondering when the last 5k was going to disappear from the 'ethereum wallet' [23:25]
pete_dushenski aaand scoop: [23:27]
assbot Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [23:27]
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pete_dushenski << heh. yes. [23:30]
assbot Logged on 05-04-2015 20:57:47; BingoBoingo: << since scoop seems missing [23:30]
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pete_dushenski "The 25 percent cut in water consumption ordered by Gov. Jerry Brown raises fundamental questions about what life in California will be like in the years ahead, and even whether this state faces the prospect of people leaving for wetter climates" [23:40]
pete_dushenski hey gavin, thirsty yet ? [23:41]
mircea_popescu guy lives in mass. [23:46]
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pete_dushenski hm. my mistake [23:49]
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pete_dushenski fine, hearn then! [23:50]
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mircea_popescu i think hearn is one of the... how shall i put this. [23:50]
decimation it would be handy to have a 'diceware' version for rsa keys [23:51]
decimation ^ re: ti-89 'diceware' tool [23:52]
mircea_popescu well, perhaps an illustration is worth a billion words. here : [23:54]
assbot allysins: [23:54]
mircea_popescu note pete_dushenski the guy starts by inquiring whether the tramp is "in a room tonight" [23:54]
decimation re: california > < "“Mother Nature didn’t intend for 40 million people to live here,” said Kevin Starr, a historian at the University of Southern California who has written extensively about this state. “This is literally a culture that since the 1880s has progressively invented, invented and reinvented itself. At what point [23:54]
decimation does this invention begin to hit limits?”" [23:54]
assbot Log In - The New York Times ... ( ) [23:54]
mircea_popescu the "easy" situation has created this particular inferno for the underclass, that they are literally a mob now. [23:55]
mircea_popescu no fixed place of residence, some nights in a hotel, or a car, or someone's livingroom, or the park. [23:55]
mircea_popescu that's pretty much the life of the whore, and of the mentally ill, and of the "student" and so on. bums, the lot of them. [23:55]
mircea_popescu like hearn, like everyone else on github. like the names on social media, like the leah goodmans trying to convince you they're "journalists". [23:56]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: this was taken to hilarious heights in j. brunner's 'stand on zanzibar', where virtually the entire fuckable female population of planet earth lives that way [23:56]
decimation meanwhile actualy california has 'reinvented' itself into a central american shithole, wants to pretend like it matters [23:56]
mircea_popescu you know, "journalists" just like the fictional carriew bradshaw, [23:56]
mircea_popescu not journalists like every other whore you fucked whenever you didn't mind getting filmy. [23:56]
mircea_popescu just like the actresses waiting tables and turning tricks. [23:56]
mircea_popescu it's a social class. [23:56]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha. [23:56]
mircea_popescu this is not far from truth today. [23:56]
asciilifeform mega-b00k incidentally. recommended to all. [23:56]
mircea_popescu decimation in fairness, california has always been past its demographic limits. people were paying more for hay there than anywhere in the world cca 1850 [23:57]
mircea_popescu (nevada excepted, of course) [23:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00028743 = 5.7486 BTC [-] [23:57]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: heh, well this particular whore recently claimed to have never heard of #b-a, which must be like carrie bradshaw never having heard of the new york times [23:58]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski if you recall the famous "conference" held in london by nefario, taaki and the rest of "bitcoinica consultancy" crowd... [23:59]
pete_dushenski because in magical fairy land, things that don't like you don't exist [23:59]
mircea_popescu that's the idea, generally. like going to a rave, orwhatever. sleep on the floor of a squatted building. [23:59]
mircea_popescu sleep at renton's underage girlfriend's parents' place [23:59]
mircea_popescu "are you her mates or what then ?!" [23:59]
pete_dushenski airbnb it [23:59]
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