Forum logs for 05 Apr 2013
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [05:41] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ | [05:41] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013 | [05:41] |
Bugpowder | I need to get funding from them | [05:41] |
cole_albon | 100 million is not much of a promise | [05:41] |
Bugpowder | per year | [05:41] |
-NickServ- | You failed to identify in time for the nickname mircea_popescu | [05:42] |
* | You are now known as Guest9632 | [05:42] |
Bugpowder | you can fund a lot of labs with 100 million | [05:42] |
Bugpowder | a typical "big" grant to run a lab, an R01, averages about $250k/yr for 5 years. | [05:42] |
* | Now talking on #bitcoin-assets | [05:44] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: http://bitcoin-assets.com/ | [05:44] |
* | Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla at Wed Mar 13 14:15:50 2013 | [05:44] |
deadweasel | ;;ticker | [05:44] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 131.20003, Best ask: 132.14430, Bid-ask spread: 0.94427, Last trade: 132.14431, 24 hour volume: 74652.69434725, 24 hour low: 117.21000, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 132.39843 | [05:44] |
Bugpowder | well, if I get the job I will try to get that money. In my current position, budget is basically unlimited | [05:44] |
Bugpowder | But power is low | [05:44] |
thestringpuller | but you have like at least 1mn in btc | [05:45] |
thestringpuller | so why not liquidate and start a lab? | [05:45] |
thestringpuller | for 4 years | [05:45] |
Bugpowder | I am not a bitcoin millionarie | [05:45] |
Bugpowder | you guys overestimate | [05:45] |
thestringpuller | Did you lose a bit on that put-based position awhile back? | [05:46] |
mircea_popescu | he lost it all on gox | [05:46] |
Bugpowder | I have lost a lot on puts | [05:46] |
Bugpowder | lol | [05:46] |
Bugpowder | but yah, did lose on that put play at the end of last month | [05:46] |
Bugpowder | gox better send me mah cash | [05:46] |
thestringpuller | your call play raped all though | [05:47] |
Bugpowder | I wish I had more | [05:47] |
cole_albon | string puller are you "the girl" somewhere else? | [05:47] |
Bugpowder | only put 20% down. | [05:47] |
thestringpuller | Haha. I'm not female. | [05:47] |
thestringpuller | There are no females in bitcoin, except those mircea_popescu pays | [05:47] |
thestringpuller | and aethero's wife | [05:47] |
ThickAsThieves | i was just gonna say that string! | [05:48] |
ThickAsThieves | you typed faster | [05:48] |
dub | its the internet | [05:48] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu should make an exchange | [05:48] |
thestringpuller | oh yea | [05:48] |
thestringpuller | nvm | [05:48] |
dub | ie, no girls | [05:48] |
cole_albon | yeah - I thought you knew a bit too much about the mpex sentiment index. kinda like what a girl would have to know if they were under the employ of mircea_popescu | [05:49] |
ThickAsThieves | cole is MPOE-PR | [05:49] |
ThickAsThieves | deflecting | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | this is going well... | [05:49] |
Bugpowder | There was also the wife of Kludge, who's money was involved in bitcoins, even if she want. | [05:49] |
Bugpowder | wasnt | [05:49] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder she wasn't his wife. | [05:50] |
thestringpuller | MPOE-PR is probably the most anonymous PR agent I've ever seen. | [05:50] |
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mircea_popescu | he considers her his wife, she considers him a limited liability. | [05:50] |
ColdHardMetal | limited? | [05:51] |
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thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: you know, now that I think about it. You are the only public facing individual of mpex. MPOE-PR is very private (in a sense), and the other "board members" are illuminati style hidden. | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | well she did cut him off once he was costing more than what the naked housecleanning + toe suckling was worth neh ? | [05:51] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller yes. | [05:51] |
ColdHardMetal | fair enough lol | [05:51] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu is the bitcoin illuminati, be warned! | [05:52] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7697 BTC [-] | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | no i'm not | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | i just work here. | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | how is she anon anyway | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | there's like... one person on all the forum using their face in their avatar. | [05:52] |
mircea_popescu | and that's the one you call anon. | [05:53] |
mircea_popescu | how about everyone else then | [05:53] |
ThickAsThieves | wait, evoorhees isnt a jester? | [05:53] |
thestringpuller | no one knows her name, just what people speculate | [05:53] |
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cole_albon | I'm sorry I brought her up. | [05:53] |
ThickAsThieves | selling all my sdice then | [05:53] |
thestringpuller | she could be romanian, but who knows | [05:53] |
thestringpuller | her connection to you is only a GPG signed credential | [05:54] |
thestringpuller | since you haven't disclosed that you've met in person | [05:54] |
thestringpuller | it's quite interesting :) | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | Maria Puella Octavia Eufrosina - Patricia Raphaella de Ruiz y Picasso | [05:54] |
cole_albon | sounds expensive | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | well she's tall | [05:54] |
mircea_popescu | and she's not romanian, she's murican. | [05:54] |
cole_albon | If that was the name of someone, I take back what I said about expensive. I'm from Missouri. | [05:55] |
thestringpuller | Missouri is one of the few states I've consistently gotten laid in. | [05:56] |
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kakobrekla | now saying its cheap?? | [05:56] |
Bugpowder | lol | [05:56] |
thestringpuller | Mid-Western girls are bored by default. | [05:56] |
cole_albon | if you mention my sister I'm gonna have to open up a can of wupass | [05:57] |
ThickAsThieves | modwestern anything-with-eyes is bored by default, no? | [05:57] |
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ThickAsThieves | modwestern, heh, sounds like a fashion trend | [05:57] |
thestringpuller | I went to Truman for a visit...man those girls no how to party. | [05:58] |
thestringpuller | For being in the middle of nowhere, bajeezus. | [05:58] |
thestringpuller | know* (can't grammar tonight) | [05:58] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 7 @ 0.00999 = 0.0699 BTC [-] | [05:59] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu how did you stabilize the price? | [06:00] |
ThickAsThieves | with his bare hands | [06:00] |
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cole_albon | lol | [06:00] |
cole_albon | I do want to know though... | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | well... you know how they say if you wish for something really really hard it comes true ? | [06:01] |
mircea_popescu | this works for some people. | [06:01] |
Bugpowder | This is a movement I can support. http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/04/femen-stages-a-topless-jihad/100487/ | [06:01] |
Bugpowder | cole_albon: It's called The Secret | [06:02] |
Bugpowder | have you read it/ | [06:02] |
Bugpowder | This is how I made my calls make money | [06:02] |
Bugpowder | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_(book) | [06:03] |
Bugpowder | I just visualized success. | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/cum-se-protesteaza-corect/ | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | that's me explaining to romanians how to correcrtly protest | [06:03] |
cole_albon | I'm glad you made money Bugpowder I should have listened to you - you were right. | [06:03] |
ThickAsThieves | this one is dope http://cdn.theatlantic.com/static/infocus/femen040413/s_f15_65342447.jpg | [06:03] |
mircea_popescu | after they made some fail demonstrations of fail. | [06:03] |
cole_albon | wow that was dope | [06:04] |
Bugpowder | I need to get back to my price rise visualizations again | [06:04] |
thestringpuller | why not visualize a price crash | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | so two chicks followed me on twitter this hour. | [06:04] |
thestringpuller | and make money on puts this time | [06:04] |
Bugpowder | I sense... an awareness of another... suppressing the price | [06:04] |
mircea_popescu | one's an investment fund partner, the other's a make-up artist and fashion broad. | [06:05] |
Bugpowder | My powers only work one way | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | i think the internets r broken | [06:05] |
Bugpowder | I gotta go find my credits | [06:05] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu I met a romanian girl at my bank | [06:05] |
thestringpuller | Simona | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | sounds romanian | [06:05] |
thestringpuller | you should teach me romanian so I can seduce her | [06:05] |
thestringpuller | ;) | [06:05] |
mircea_popescu | say "ce frumoasa esti" to her, see what happens | [06:05] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.31511 = 2.5209 BTC [-] | [06:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.3151 = 2.8359 BTC [-] | [06:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 33 @ 0.315 = 10.395 BTC [-] | [06:06] |
thestringpuller | forecast for tomorrow "mircea_popescu: I got slapped!!!!" | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | this is why you're single. you have no clue what happens next wioth girls. | [06:06] |
ThickAsThieves | mp, did you do a hacker bat signal to ddos mtgox on the rally to 147? | [06:06] |
thestringpuller | HAHAHA | [06:06] |
mircea_popescu | a bat whaty | [06:07] |
ThickAsThieves | did you call in the troops? | [06:07] |
thestringpuller | we'll never know | [06:07] |
ThickAsThieves | i cant speak without using cliches and expressions, sry :) | [06:07] |
mircea_popescu | no i didn't. | [06:07] |
ChaangNoi | bat signal is like a spot light in the sky that shows a pic of a bat, batman sees this then goes to save the day | [06:08] |
ChaangNoi | comicbooks/cartoons | [06:08] |
Bugpowder | another possiblilty is that the price had to crash because it was up 45% in 12 hours. | [06:08] |
mircea_popescu | http://pastebin.com/4SUXv67h | [06:09] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.449992 BTC [-] | [06:09] |
dub | jews did 04/03/03 | [06:09] |
cole_albon | mircea_popescu I don't think I've seen an s.dice dividend yet have I? | [06:09] |
ThickAsThieves | my theory is still that a bottleneck at gox caused the rally | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | and Bugpowder has it. in certain circumstances things need to chose one or the other of two paths | [06:09] |
ChaangNoi | yeah, 42% was too much, i hope this is now some stability, | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin chose the light. | [06:09] |
ThickAsThieves | lack of deposits | [06:09] |
Bugpowder | ThickAsThieves: yeah | [06:09] |
mircea_popescu | cole_albon i dunno, is it on the mpex page ? | [06:09] |
Bugpowder | BTC deposit delay | [06:09] |
ThickAsThieves | i just wanted to ask mp outright, rather than have people wonder | [06:09] |
Bugpowder | I was waiting 35 confirmations | [06:10] |
ThickAsThieves | even if he lied about it obv ;) | [06:10] |
Bugpowder | everyone else must have been too. | [06:10] |
cole_albon | yes, but I do not recall seeing it in any STAT so far. | [06:10] |
dub | Bugpowder has it. Its a -dev safety valve | [06:10] |
Bugpowder | ;;bids - | [06:10] |
gribble | Error: '-' is not a valid floating point number. | [06:10] |
Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [06:10] |
dub | stop the network transacting to protect from bubble | [06:10] |
gribble | There are currently 31092307 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10131721.5745 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0099 seconds | [06:10] |
ThickAsThieves | maybe MPOE-PR did it | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | if you look at the times, the rally was broken and the trend reversing hours before mtgox was blinking | [06:10] |
Bugpowder | ohhhh hai! | [06:10] |
Bugpowder | back over $10 million! | [06:10] |
Bugpowder | RALLLY TIME | [06:10] |
mircea_popescu | ;;asks 999999999999 | [06:11] |
gribble | There are currently 63713.817 bitcoins offered at or under 999999999999.0 USD, worth 1.46160793292e+12 USD in total. | Data vintage: 36.6863 seconds | [06:11] |
dub | peanut butter rally time | [06:11] |
Bugpowder | -visualizing- | [06:11] |
mircea_popescu | heh. i wonder if anyone realises that with ~5% of btc on their system, mtgox barely matters in the scheme of things | [06:11] |
ThickAsThieves | not many realize that | [06:11] |
ChaangNoi | i have more than realized that | [06:11] |
ChaangNoi | fuck gox | [06:11] |
Bugpowder | I am just amazed that the super early adopters don't sell at least a little. | [06:12] |
Bugpowder | BTW - mircea_popescu, Rassah actually ISN'T my friend. | [06:12] |
Bugpowder | it was all a terrible misunderstanding | [06:12] |
ThickAsThieves | how many 100,000+ owners do you think their are? | [06:12] |
ThickAsThieves | there | [06:12] |
Bugpowder | I know of one. | [06:12] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [06:12] |
Bugpowder | personally | [06:12] |
Bugpowder | didn't know he had so much | [06:12] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: the question is who would rise from the ashes? bitcoin-central? | [06:12] |
Bugpowder | till 2 nights ago | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | what ever happened to rassah ? i remember he busting his ballsack over having sold at 20 and bought a new car | [06:13] |
Bugpowder | he hasn't sold any | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | and how smart he is. | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | i guess sepukku ? | [06:13] |
ThickAsThieves | speaking of suicide, whats up with BFL? | [06:13] |
Bugpowder | dead spasms | [06:13] |
dub | fuck bitcoin, at this rate im buying the 86 with ppcoin | [06:13] |
mircea_popescu | i can't understand that retarded bets of bitcoin dood. | [06:14] |
ChaangNoi | BFLspecs are down, plus deay | [06:14] |
mircea_popescu | pushing that bet ? what is he, braindead ? | [06:14] |
ThickAsThieves | plus higher prices | [06:14] |
cole_albon | mircea_popescu I apologize I read 04-03-13 as April 3rd. I'm from Missouri | [06:14] |
ChaangNoi | yeah higher prices | [06:14] |
ChaangNoi | bfl is fucked | [06:14] |
Bugpowder | one of my friends I turned on to bitcoin bought a loaded Golf TDI tonight | [06:14] |
ThickAsThieves | if BFL changes posted specs, does that affect bitbets | [06:14] |
ChaangNoi | i wonder how they can ship out the first units | [06:14] |
Bugpowder | he invested $500. Just cashed out a fraction.. | [06:14] |
ThickAsThieves | BFL has plenty units ready | [06:15] |
dub | <3 BFL | [06:15] |
ThickAsThieves | they are just using them | [06:15] |
ChaangNoi | they said the 66 wont ship now, get two of the 32, then lol its only 25 | [06:15] |
dub | don't care that I paid $13k for a non existant asic | [06:15] |
dub | AM is going to make bank | [06:15] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [06:15] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 134.48668, Best ask: 134.48700, Bid-ask spread: 0.00032, Last trade: 134.48668, 24 hour volume: 74092.84282738, 24 hour low: 117.21000, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 132.56604 | [06:15] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;goxlag | [06:16] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 5.304483 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.01063012454 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its second largest moon, Callisto (0.012567 AU). | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | dub i thought you weren't into btc, too risky. | [06:16] |
Bugpowder | redistribution of wealth from america to china, AGAIN | [06:16] |
ChaangNoi | AM is goingto rape:) | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | ChaangNoi they still haven't got 12 th online you know | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | their chips still are blowing up like chinese lightbulbs. | [06:16] |
ChaangNoi | they are building a data center | [06:16] |
dub | mircea_popescu: btc is for fags | [06:16] |
mircea_popescu | yeah sure. and an island | [06:16] |
ChaangNoi | mp, im happy to wait, cuz they going to rape | [06:16] |
ChaangNoi | i dont know about the island, but that is not a bad idea | [06:17] |
ChaangNoi | they will be able to afford it | [06:17] |
ChaangNoi | nation of btc! | [06:17] |
dub | I have an island | [06:17] |
ChaangNoi | powered by am! | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | listen, everyone's getting raped just as soon as someone with a clue starts doing it. | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | asic producers, miners, fiat exchanges, the works. | [06:17] |
ThickAsThieves | "Butterfly Labs aka BFL will deliver ASIC Bitcoin mining devices to their customers before 1st of July 2013. Devices must be in scope of at least +-10% of advertised performance in order to be accepted as valid." | [06:17] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much nothing you see today will be here as bitcoin reaches maturity. | [06:17] |
ChaangNoi | i have faith in friedcat, yes, there was a delay but its not cuz his hardware failed | [06:17] |
ThickAsThieves | they changed advertised specs | [06:17] |
ThickAsThieves | soooo? | [06:18] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: what about you? will you remain? | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | myeah. | [06:18] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves so what ? | [06:18] |
dub | ThickAsThieves: did it change for existing orders? | [06:18] |
ChaangNoi | hmmm | [06:18] |
ChaangNoi | that is a sticky wicket | [06:18] |
dub | wat | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | ChaangNoi that theory would have been easily enough proven by delivering on their promise to send samples to community members. | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | they didn't, and aren't mentioning it again. | [06:19] |
ThickAsThieves | it doesnt say anything about when people order | [06:19] |
ThickAsThieves | just advertised specs | [06:19] |
ChaangNoi | mp they are going to sell them in auction style | [06:19] |
ChaangNoi | i guess you are not a board member? | [06:19] |
mircea_popescu | i just use more salt to digest friedcat's stuff than you people. | [06:19] |
ChaangNoi | well if you are right in the end, i will have less btc | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | for instance, when someone promises something and then they don't deliver on their promise, even if they're chinese | [06:20] |
dub | mircea_popescu: I thought china could do no wrong? | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | i don't jump to the unrelated "they will x" | [06:20] |
mircea_popescu | dub eh ? | [06:20] |
ChaangNoi | well buy AM stock or more gpus... hmmm | [06:20] |
dub | you're always talking up china | [06:20] |
ThickAsThieves | even if AM does what they say, it doesnt mean there wont be more delays | [06:21] |
Bugpowder | $10.23MM | [06:21] |
mircea_popescu | actually no matter what, delays there will be | [06:21] |
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kakobrekla | new indicator, beats OIX | [06:21] |
kakobrekla | http://jezus.si/graf/dashboards/bitcoin/details/1 | [06:21] |
ThickAsThieves | just cuz friedcat was first doesnt mean he will do everything right the first time | [06:22] |
ThickAsThieves | arguably first* | [06:22] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [06:22] |
gribble | smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 11 hours, 39 minutes, and 57 seconds ago: |
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mircea_popescu | kakobrekla cool, that'll be useful next sturles shows up | [06:22] |
ChaangNoi | AM and friedcat is looking like the best bet right now on asics as far as i can invest, bfl, hhhaa no, avalon? maybe but at this price, no | [06:22] |
ThickAsThieves | i like AM, but i dont like repeatedly moving targets | [06:23] |
dub | they'll be more in the market soon surely | [06:24] |
ChaangNoi | AM has said they will shoot for 10% average over a year | [06:24] |
thestringpuller | what does AM stand for? | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167459.msg1743668#msg1743668 | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | dude this sort of shit. | [06:25] |
ChaangNoi | not a moving target... they also say they have a bunch of chips, but no power... | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | "our system did something we don't know why it happens nm we'll undo it manually" | [06:25] |
mircea_popescu | i'm like... | [06:25] |
dub | thestringpuller: asicminer | [06:25] |
dub | mircea_popescu: lol | [06:25] |
ChaangNoi | yankee... | [06:26] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: send them some of your programmers | [06:27] |
ChaangNoi | mp why not make a romanian exchange? | [06:28] |
thestringpuller | ^-this | [06:28] |
mircea_popescu | im not interested in handling fiat. | [06:29] |
Bugpowder | Is romania signed on to FATCA? | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not interested in writing code | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not going to be the mother of bitcoin invalids. | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | how about other people do their job too. | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder it makes jack shit of a difference, i could easily do it. | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | i know half the bankers in the country. | [06:29] |
mircea_popescu | unlike absolutely any other bitcoiner i can just walk into a bank's boardroom and talk to the board. | [06:30] |
mircea_popescu | but i'm not interested in doing fiat. | [06:30] |
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ChaangNoi | btcguild 48% time ot fire the lazorz? | [06:31] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: it will be funny when I drop your name to simona tomorrow and she happens to know you...for some reason... | [06:31] |
mircea_popescu | seems unlikely. | [06:32] |
dub | ;;nethash | [06:32] |
gribble | 56918.28101 | [06:32] |
ChaangNoi | ltc still over $4 lol | [06:32] |
dub | ;;calc [nethash]*0.48 | [06:32] |
gribble | 27320.7748848 | [06:32] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10369 @ 0.00070698 = 7.3307 BTC [-] | [06:33] |
ThickAsThieves | i think AM might have some kind of balancer that moves hashes to oxcoin | [06:33] |
ThickAsThieves | ozcoin* | [06:33] |
mircea_popescu | I started with 0.1. I made it to 0.2 playing over a week and 200 transactions later. Then it went down to 0.04. Then I made it go back up to 0.2. After 400 transactions later, I lost it all in a do-or-die bet, the final bet was 0.04 or something like that. | [06:33] |
dub | ThickAsThieves: they should be soloing ppcoin | [06:34] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167215.msg1741392#msg1741392 | [06:34] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;asks 139.90 | [06:34] |
gribble | There are currently 3545.7036 bitcoins offered at or under 139.9 USD, worth 489984.985767 USD in total. | Data vintage: 97.0218 seconds | [06:34] |
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mircea_popescu | the instawallet was actually haxt | [06:34] |
dub | instalollet was french? | [06:35] |
Bugpowder | so that 14k BTC transaction was theirs or not? | [06:36] |
dub | the duns were fully under their control | [06:37] |
dub | funds* | [06:37] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | well... i guess the 40k rthey moved was some panic attack. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | but they had already lost some | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | anyway, i dunno, davout is awol. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | this is wrong with these people, they fuck up, they dissapear. | [06:38] |
mircea_popescu | he should be here. | [06:38] |
dub | they are french, they probably just handed over privkeys to the hackers | [06:39] |
Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [06:39] |
gribble | There are currently 31095190 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10470655.1418 USD in total. | Data vintage: 7.9970 seconds | [06:39] |
Bugpowder | heheh | [06:39] |
Bugpowder | we are going up tonight | [06:39] |
Bugpowder | get ready | [06:39] |
ChaangNoi | my rocket is ready | [06:44] |
ChaangNoi | hmm today is a friday | [06:44] |
Bugpowder | yeah i know | [06:45] |
Bugpowder | 10.5 | [06:46] |
Bugpowder | the weekend dip happened before the weekend | [06:46] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7697 BTC [-] | [06:48] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [06:48] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder why be such a noob ? | [06:49] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin is a lot more than "quick profits" you know. | [06:49] |
Bugpowder | I am happy to take a pause from rapid price gains on say... April 27th. | [06:50] |
Bugpowder | At this point though, I've cashed enough out that I'm just gonna sit on the rest for a long time | [06:51] |
Bugpowder | or actually use them in the economy | [06:51] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [RSM] 50 @ 0.0025 = 0.125 BTC [-] | [06:51] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.449992 = 0.9 BTC [-] | [06:52] |
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mircea_popescu | what's on april 27th | [06:52] |
Bugpowder | options will have expired | [06:53] |
Bugpowder | :-D | [06:53] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7698 BTC [+] | [06:53] |
mircea_popescu | o lol | [06:54] |
assbot | [MPEX] [O.USD.C062N] 10 @ 0.73421811 = 7.3422 BTC | [07:00] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7698 BTC [+] | [07:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.7698 = 2.3094 BTC [+] | [07:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.7699 = 15.398 BTC [+] | [07:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.78 = 3.9 BTC [+] | [07:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.7829 = 2.3487 BTC [+] | [07:08] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.919 BTC [+] | [07:19] |
ThickAsThieves | btc-e charging .5ltc to withdraw, that's like $2.20 | [07:20] |
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bgupta | ;;ticker | [07:23] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.80001, Best ask: 136.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19999, Last trade: 136.00000, 24 hour volume: 70079.70788410, 24 hour low: 126.69058, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 133.76636 | [07:23] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [07:23] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 0.952282 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00190836246572 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). | [07:23] |
ThickAsThieves | $avg | [07:24] |
mpexbot | ThickAsThieves: 133.55 | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.009999 = 0.1 BTC [+] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 616 @ 0.01 = 6.16 BTC [+] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+] | [07:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 564 @ 0.01 = 5.64 BTC [+] | [07:24] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 5 @ 0.7829 = 3.9145 BTC [+] | [07:31] |
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Cryptrader | Is there any channel good for discussing trading btc/ltc/nmc etc? | [07:39] |
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bgupta | Don't know about a good channel, but you are in a channel. ;) | [07:40] |
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bgupta | someone just bought like 3200 btc at the market | [07:42] |
bgupta | ;;ticker | [07:43] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.38456, Best ask: 137.98900, Bid-ask spread: 0.60444, Last trade: 137.38456, 24 hour volume: 72490.77444922, 24 hour low: 126.69058, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.00274 | [07:43] |
jcpham | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-japan-scraps-overnight-call-051241190.html | [07:46] |
ThickAsThieves | wait Japan is gonna double the amount of currency in two years, did i read that correctly? | [07:51] |
jcpham | 1.4 trillion in commited QE | [07:52] |
jcpham | hold on to your seats | [07:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | going to bed, i expect you guys to get btc up to 140 while i sleep | [07:56] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00070686 = 3.1455 BTC [-] | [07:56] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7829 BTC [+] | [07:58] |
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bgupta | ;;ticker | [08:10] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 135.55406, Best ask: 136.83316, Bid-ask spread: 1.27910, Last trade: 135.55405, 24 hour volume: 71104.21539651, 24 hour low: 126.69058, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.14703 | [08:10] |
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ChaangNoi | im a goat! | [08:14] |
bgupta | so is this Japan thing another sign that fiat is in trouble, and that btc is where we should be? | [08:18] |
B0g4r7 | yes pinky | [08:18] |
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bgupta | so borrow Yen, and buy btc.. | [08:18] |
bgupta | (Not that I can really borrow Yen ATM.. | [08:19] |
ChaangNoi | japan?? | [08:19] |
bgupta | http://finance.yahoo.com/news/bank-japan-scraps-overnight-call-051241190.html | [08:19] |
B0g4r7 | why are they talking about Japan and dollars? | [08:19] |
denialdenial | read it goat | [08:19] |
ChaangNoi | reading, thanks | [08:19] |
denialdenial | japan is fucked | [08:19] |
mod6 | seems that way | [08:19] |
B0g4r7 | japan has been fucked. | [08:20] |
bgupta | no more fucked than EU, or USA for that matter | [08:20] |
taub | they've been doing this for 30 years tho | [08:20] |
B0g4r7 | their debt:gdp ratio is far worse than that of the US, whose is terrible. | [08:20] |
denialdenial | they're hurrying the end then | [08:20] |
B0g4r7 | So yea, far more fucked. | [08:20] |
B0g4r7 | By an order of magnitude I'd say. | [08:20] |
bgupta | ok... | [08:20] |
denialdenial | i heard AUD is trading against yuan directly soon too | [08:21] |
denialdenial | no more of that pesky USD reserve | [08:21] |
B0g4r7 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_public_debt | [08:21] |
B0g4r7 | Look at Japan. | [08:21] |
B0g4r7 | OK, so not an order of magnitide, but still a lot more. | [08:21] |
ChaangNoi | yeah japan was250% | [08:21] |
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ChaangNoi | i bought a bunch of yen a while ago, made 20% in 2 years, sold it howevere | [08:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769 BTC [-] | [08:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.7689 = 1.5378 BTC [-] | [08:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 3 @ 0.7689 = 2.3067 BTC [-] | [08:22] |
ChaangNoi | but this really is what they have been doing forever | [08:22] |
denialdenial | i was reading a reddit post comparing bitcoin to paypal earlier | [08:23] |
denialdenial | the author reason we're on a $900+ dollar correction right now | [08:23] |
denialdenial | for the next 60 days at least | [08:24] |
B0g4r7 | I think the only reason a lot of ppl use pp is because it made international payments easy. | [08:24] |
denialdenial | it was pretty insightful | [08:24] |
denialdenial | but it's reddit | [08:24] |
denialdenial | so... | [08:24] |
B0g4r7 | Now bitcoin does that. | [08:24] |
B0g4r7 | Most all of the overseas suppliers I order from, they want paypal. | [08:24] |
bgupta | How is that they are worse than greece but not as fucked as greece. Guessing cause they control their own currency. | [08:24] |
bgupta | denialdenial: Link? | [08:25] |
denialdenial | i would expect the japanese to at least make a trillion dollar samurai sword or something | [08:25] |
denialdenial | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bo02h/why_1000_in_60_days_a_paypal_comparison/ | [08:25] |
denialdenial | second page midways | [08:25] |
denialdenial | /r/bitcoin | [08:26] |
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bgupta | One catch in the theory.. proposited.. it assumes that people using btc for transfer will keep the btc in btc, and not immediately trade back to fiat.. | [08:28] |
bgupta | that said some of them will. | [08:29] |
bgupta | so there is definately btc value growth trying to correct. | [08:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 1 @ 0.2 BTC [+] | [08:31] |
denialdenial | i think so | [08:31] |
denialdenial | too much too soon | [08:31] |
denialdenial | maybe crash, probably not | [08:31] |
denialdenial | distributing the load across the exchanges should prevent any actual crash | [08:32] |
bgupta | I don't think so… if there were a crash, I think buyers would come out in droves.. | [08:32] |
denialdenial | the term crash is way overused | [08:32] |
bgupta | I certainly would look to liquidate USD equities and move to btc. | [08:33] |
denialdenial | i doubt will see JUly 2011 again ever | [08:33] |
denialdenial | no more bitcoins for peenies | [08:33] |
denialdenial | as long as any exchange stays operational they are going to cost you a lot of money | [08:33] |
denialdenial | from now on | [08:33] |
Cryptrader | If BTC becomes a true currency - as businesses slowly adopt it, you will have no reason to exchange them back for fiat | [08:34] |
taub | i'm still half hoping the system wont collapse | [08:34] |
taub | would be much better for everyone :( | [08:34] |
Cryptrader | Or at least not everyone will | [08:34] |
denialdenial | btcguild troubles me at the moment | [08:34] |
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bgupta | taub: what do you mean by collapse? | [08:34] |
bgupta | btcguild will self correct. | [08:34] |
denialdenial | do you know what happened when btcguild updated their bitcoind last | [08:35] |
Cryptrader | Does anyone know exactly (or close) how big the annual drug trade market is? IE if they all started using bitcoin... | [08:35] |
denialdenial | i can tell you in case you don't know | [08:35] |
denialdenial | this was before they has asicminer | [08:35] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070298 = 0.9139 BTC [-] | [08:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00070297 = 4.0421 BTC [-] | [08:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00069413 = 14.7156 BTC [-] | [08:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2847 @ 0.00068964 = 1.9634 BTC [-] | [08:35] |
taub | i dont think endless spending and money printing can go on forever | [08:35] |
bgupta | I know silkroad does about $29 million per month | [08:35] |
bgupta | but overall it's in billions | [08:36] |
denialdenial | they updated their bitcoind on their pool but didn't let the db reindex first | [08:36] |
denialdenial | so miners were being given low diff shares | [08:36] |
denialdenial | until their wallet was empty | [08:36] |
denialdenial | what happens if they have 51%, fuck up, fork the chain | [08:36] |
denialdenial | hash a block | [08:36] |
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bgupta | it would only shift if cartels wanted to keep their stashes in btc.. and I'm not so sure that would be a good thing for btc… IE: governments might use an excuse to outlaw | [08:36] |
denialdenial | that's why btcguild worries me | [08:37] |
bgupta | well, I suspect that miners will start moving to oz. | [08:37] |
bgupta | SO for the sake of arguement… let's assume that btc goes up to 1000usd.. some in this channel think that would be horrible for the btc economy.. can some explain why? | [08:39] |
denialdenial | i don't think the price matters anymore | [08:39] |
bgupta | it seems arbitrary... | [08:39] |
taub | i dont think anyone argues that it's horrible in general | [08:40] |
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taub | mp seems more concerend about the rate it's increasing | [08:40] |
denialdenial | the price is so high now that mentally the decimal places have already started moving | [08:40] |
bgupta | on what grounds? | [08:40] |
taub | ie he doesnt want it to be volatile or full of bubbles and crashes | [08:40] |
denialdenial | so actual fungibility is being tested now | [08:40] |
taub | because it scares people away | [08:40] |
denialdenial | so i don't see how 1000 matters | [08:41] |
bgupta | but the issue is if it is in fact worth more and trying to correct.. | [08:41] |
denialdenial | it's a nother decimal place | [08:41] |
denialdenial | what's the visual and mental difference between .005 btc and .05 btc if they are fundamentally the same | [08:41] |
bgupta | wouldn't it be better to get that correction out of the way and then let it try to stabialize? | [08:41] |
bgupta | just throwing thoughts out there | [08:42] |
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denialdenial | stabilize is sort of a funny word to use | [08:42] |
bgupta | personally I kinda wish btc would stay really low so I can buy more.. | [08:42] |
taub | sure, bubbles have to be corrected | [08:42] |
denialdenial | how do you stabilize a queue of 10,000 people wanting to buy something | [08:43] |
taub | the thought is not to have bubble like growth to begin with | [08:43] |
denialdenial | more exchanges | [08:43] |
denialdenial | more everything | [08:43] |
denialdenial | that takes time | [08:43] |
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bgupta | why does more exchanges help? | [08:43] |
denialdenial | so expect one hell of a volatile ride | [08:43] |
denialdenial | because gox is asingle point of failure and it can't handle the load | [08:43] |
denialdenial | obviously | [08:43] |
denialdenial | they've said so themselves | [08:43] |
bgupta | well.. they've said they can't handle ddos attacks | [08:44] |
denialdenial | there's needs to be 10x the number of operating exchanges there are now | [08:44] |
denialdenial | to handle the influx of users | [08:44] |
denialdenial | to stabilize the volatility | [08:44] |
denialdenial | not he price | [08:44] |
bgupta | if you spread out to ten exchanges they'd all be semi-illiquid | [08:44] |
denialdenial | the price is going to do what the exchanges allow it to do | [08:44] |
denialdenial | the volatility comes from the stops/starts | [08:44] |
denialdenial | and emotions | [08:44] |
bgupta | I don't think we need to exchanges. perhaps more money changers | [08:44] |
bgupta | more retail | [08:45] |
bgupta | more retail money exchangers | [08:45] |
bgupta | that keep their own supplies | [08:45] |
bgupta | they would go to a handful of exchanges for trade.. | [08:45] |
denialdenial | all of these things feed off each other. what hasn't kept up is the supply | [08:46] |
denialdenial | or dealers, exchanges | [08:46] |
bgupta | btc supply? | [08:46] |
bgupta | of course not, that's baked into the system | [08:46] |
denialdenial | the supply to "the market" | [08:46] |
denialdenial | whether that market is real or artificial doesn't matter | [08:46] |
denialdenial | but until recently it was gox | [08:46] |
denialdenial | and now it can't be gox alone anymore | [08:47] |
bgupta | ah the supply of btc.. well with it going up people are reluctant to sell.. and many people will never sell.. | [08:47] |
denialdenial | the exchanges create the market or better the illusion of the market | [08:47] |
bgupta | IE: They have moved to btc | [08:47] |
denialdenial | because money is an illusion | [08:47] |
denialdenial | a poorly represented market performs poorly | [08:48] |
bgupta | wall street proper will invest in exchanges at some point.. IE: old financial houses. | [08:48] |
denialdenial | the oldest con in the book is to invent a problem and then sell the solution to it | [08:49] |
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denialdenial | bit coin didn't invent the problem and it sells itself | [08:49] |
denialdenial | need more exchanges providing the illusion of stability | [08:49] |
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denialdenial | and thus a stabler market | [08:50] |
denialdenial | mor people, more exchanges, higher price | [08:50] |
denialdenial | [08:50] | |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00068871 = 13.7742 BTC [-] | [09:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4273 @ 0.00068871 = 2.9429 BTC [-] | [09:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00068762 = 0.8939 BTC [-] | [09:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2178 @ 0.00068761 = 1.4976 BTC [-] | [09:11] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00068575 = 5.486 BTC [-] | [09:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00068518 = 6.4407 BTC [-] | [09:12] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8322 @ 0.00068444 = 5.6959 BTC [-] | [09:12] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15788 BTC [-] | [09:12] |
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bgupta | SO was thinking about the exchange problem… what if Morgan or Goldman bought half a million bitcoins and issued an ETF and let it trade on a standard stock exchange… It would kinda solve some problems, while creating new ones. | [09:25] |
bgupta | the question is how could they acquire enough btc to do it without messing up the market. | [09:26] |
bgupta | ;;ticker | [09:36] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.29992, Best ask: 136.80000, Bid-ask spread: 0.50008, Last trade: 136.29992, 24 hour volume: 67541.53345295, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.40464 | [09:36] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3381 = 2.7048 BTC [+] | [09:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.33811 = 6.7622 BTC [+] | [09:46] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.339 = 6.78 BTC [+] | [09:46] |
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bitesak | ;;ticker | [09:53] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.00001, Best ask: 136.69499, Bid-ask spread: 0.69498, Last trade: 136.69499, 24 hour volume: 67318.91118458, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.42469 | [09:53] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 27 @ 0.3391 = 9.1557 BTC [+] | [10:02] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2850 @ 0.00068603 = 1.9552 BTC [+] | [10:08] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.00439 = 0.1098 BTC [-] | [10:10] |
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mircea_popescu | hickAsThieves> going to bed, i expect you guys to get btc up to 140 while i sleep << and yet it's exactly 133 | [10:22] |
mircea_popescu | [10:22] | |
mircea_popescu | bgupta> SO for the sake of arguement… let's assume that btc goes up to 1000usd.. some in this channel think that would be horrible for the btc economy.. can some explain why? << read http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/its-been-an-epic-few-days-what-happened/ towards the middle | [10:24] |
mircea_popescu | it explains what's the problem | [10:24] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.00068603 = 18.9001 BTC [+] | [10:29] |
bgupta | You are claiming there was no DDOS on mtgox, and that it had no impact on price? | [10:29] |
bgupta | Or am I misreading.. | [10:29] |
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bgupta | sounds like you are claiming sole responsibility for stopping rally | [10:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 19 @ 0.0045 = 0.0855 BTC [+] | [10:29] |
mircea_popescu | mk let me find that other one | [10:29] |
bgupta | and that mtgox crashed under the load of people selling? | [10:30] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [10:30] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 406 @ 0.00313722 = 1.2737 BTC [-] | [10:30] |
mircea_popescu | that's actually what happened. | [10:30] |
mircea_popescu | Apr 05 06:06:48 |
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mircea_popescu | Apr 05 06:09:00 |
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mircea_popescu | that re the ddos. | [10:31] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136498390721.png that re the bubble deflation. | [10:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7829 BTC [+] | [10:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7829 BTC [+] | [10:32] |
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bitcoin-assets | ;; ticker | [10:37] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.00001, Best ask: 136.60000, Bid-ask spread: 0.59999, Last trade: 136.60000, 24 hour volume: 67059.71450567, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.51139 | [10:37] |
bgupta | mircea_popescu: http://www.bitcoinrumors.com/2013/04/04/mtgox-announcement-on-ddos-attack/ | [10:38] |
mircea_popescu | what about that ? | [10:39] |
bgupta | historically mtgox has been pretty transparant about owning up to their problems | [10:39] |
bgupta | (After the fact) | [10:39] |
mircea_popescu | this is exactly opposite to reality, for one. | [10:39] |
bgupta | You are basically saying they are now lying to the world. | [10:39] |
mircea_popescu | for the other, whats some random site trying to leech hits by republishing random content to dow ith anything ? | [10:39] |
mircea_popescu | they have an excellent history of lieing. | [10:40] |
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bgupta | They were very transparent about their screwups leading to the theft of a large amount of btc. | [10:40] |
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bgupta | and what they were doing to mitigate the issue | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157360.msg1670345#msg1670345 a fine example | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | they are of the persuasion that pr is bullshit & lieing as much as possibkle. | [10:41] |
mircea_popescu | bgupta they were not transparent about either. they are not transparent now either. i have no idea what you are talking about. | [10:42] |
mircea_popescu | when mpex reported a ddos there was transparency. | [10:42] |
mircea_popescu | when mtgox hinted to a dddos there's nothing but pr fluff. | [10:42] |
bgupta | "I won't bother to compile the endless list of proof to show you just lied" Why not? | [10:44] |
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mircea_popescu | i guess she's lazy | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | also we're not quite prepared for serving new people, what i'm saying here is common knowledge among "us". | [10:45] |
bgupta | Your evidence that they lied is a post from you claiming that they lied.. oh, mpoe-pr isn't you? | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | i'm not saying this to exclude you, just saying, this is all very banal crap | [10:45] |
mircea_popescu | are you following the forum at all ? | [10:45] |
bgupta | For some reason I thought that it was you… since you are always linking to posts by said avatar. | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | she's my forum pr. | [10:46] |
mircea_popescu | but if you're curious, do a search for mtgox, see what turns up. | [10:47] |
mircea_popescu | look for that classic piece on the part of inaba where he's been dicked around for months over 20k | [10:47] |
mircea_popescu | or for that piece where some new guy was complaining about mtgox telling him that his funds are locked and "they'll get in touch with the developers" to fix it. | [10:48] |
bgupta | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=157360.msg1666644;topicseen#msg1666644 claims satisfaction rates of 90-95% which means that unsatisfaction rates are 5-10% | [10:48] |
bgupta | which isn't really something to brag about | [10:49] |
bgupta | but they are | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | we are not discussing "satisfaction rate" | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | we are discussing that mpex handles everything within the same day, and to counter this tux claiomed they do it in 20 minutes. | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | except the forum is replete with cases they do no such thing. | [10:49] |
mircea_popescu | which makes him a liar (again, for that matter, no big deal, it's banal by now) | [10:49] |
bgupta | they didn't say everything.. they said most.. my take is if they handle more than 50% in 20 minutes… that means that statement is correct.. the rest could take weeks/months. | [10:51] |
bgupta | I don't yet see evidence of outright lying. | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | tyhat is not what he said. | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | what he said was : "Most open tickets have a resolution within 20 minutes. Remaining cases are when there is not enough information, or when issues are not simple user-specific issues (or linked to an outage)." | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | This means that ALL tickets that are properly spelled out and affect a single user are handledwithin 20 mintes. | [10:52] |
mircea_popescu | it also means that the ONLY cases where a ticker takes over 20 minutes is when either a. there's no info or b. there's an outage and the ticket relates to the outage. | [10:53] |
mircea_popescu | reading is very important as a skill. | [10:53] |
bgupta | well. I'd be curious to know what they mean by "simple user-specific issues" IE: Does that preclude "complicated user-specific issues"? | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | heh. | [10:54] |
mircea_popescu | what i mean is : they are NOT transparent. | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | they're horrible communicators, with a long history of such incompetence. | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | that people in general read crap like their recent release and think something was said is a property of large crowds of people. | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | nothing more. | [10:55] |
bgupta | I don't read "when issues are not simple user-specific issues (or linked to an outage)" as "when issues are not simple user-specific issues that are linked to an outage" | [10:55] |
mircea_popescu | again, that's not what i said. | [10:55] |
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mircea_popescu | it also means that the ONLY cases where a ticker takes over 20 minutes is when either a. there's no info or b. there's an outage and the ticket relates to the outage. | [10:56] |
mircea_popescu | or is an or. | [10:56] |
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bgupta | well, their PR matched my read on the situation, as a number of btc sites where were being hammered at that time. | [10:56] |
mircea_popescu | for a while. | [10:57] |
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mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/boys-and-girls-i-got-news-were-being-probed/ | [10:57] |
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mircea_popescu | this was being discussed two weeks ago. | [10:57] |
mircea_popescu | and they are still being useless. not saying anything concrete about the ddos | [10:57] |
mircea_popescu | makes them either dumb or pointless in this context. | [10:58] |
bgupta | I'm reading it as we take care of simple issues in 20 minutes… complex issues or outage related issues exluded. | [10:58] |
bgupta | let's see if they will.. what do you want to know? | [10:58] |
mircea_popescu | the list is in the article above. | [10:58] |
mircea_popescu | it says specifically what i wish from a service that aspires to be halpful. | [10:59] |
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mircea_popescu | then again i guess that's asking a little much, they probably don't have the technical ability to do anything other than read tickets from their host. | [11:04] |
mircea_popescu | so they wouldn't kniow what to say anyway. | [11:04] |
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bgupta | I think that they are at a scale that they are using "helpdesk staff" that are largely following scripts. | [11:09] |
bgupta | If it fits in script they can reply within 20 mins, if not it needs to be escalated | [11:10] |
bgupta | (Saying this because I have worked in customer service orgs in the past. | [11:10] |
mircea_popescu | i know they have. | [11:11] |
bgupta | (I was third level support, and it generally took a long time to get to my desk, and if it did it wasn't trivial to solve. | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | but that doesn't give them license to lie about it. | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | when i say you suck and mpex owns you, he says "this is true" | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | that's telling the truth. | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | wehn he comes back wityh "no we're better" he's getting the bitchslap. | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | seems logical to me. | [11:11] |
mircea_popescu | obviously he doesn't have a prayer in hell to compete seeing how he handles < 1k and i do over 1k. of course my service would be better. | [11:12] |
mircea_popescu | nevertheless... it is what it is. | [11:12] |
bgupta | well it depends on what your criteria of comparison is… If a pretty site is the criteria, they win.. if never having been hacked is the criteria you win. It's not balck or white. | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | no. | [11:13] |
bgupta | there are many other ways to measure.. those were just two examples. | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | the criteria is having customers serviced within the day | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | as the post delineated it | [11:13] |
mircea_popescu | i have no idea why this is so difficult. | [11:13] |
bgupta | You guys don't even directly compete, so that makes comparison even harder. Anyway this is turning into a bit of a rathole.. IE: we are probably not going to change each others opinions. | [11:16] |
mircea_popescu | well, the thing is, i'm really uninterested in oppinions. i am stating facts. | [11:17] |
mircea_popescu | unlike oppinions, facts are verifiable. | [11:17] |
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bgupta | So are the bot algos relatively public? Trying to understand why some spreads are so wide and others aren't? Or are the less tight spreads situations were there is a human counterparties on the book? | [11:22] |
bgupta | bbiab | [11:22] |
mircea_popescu | if you mean mpoe bot absolutely not public at all. | [11:23] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.77 = 6.16 BTC [-] | [11:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769 BTC [-] | [11:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769 BTC [-] | [11:28] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7689 BTC [-] | [11:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 20 @ 0.7671 = 15.342 BTC [-] | [11:29] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [CRYPTO-TRADE] 2 @ 0.2 = 0.4 BTC [+] | [12:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 25 @ 0.365 = 9.125 BTC [+] | [12:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.365 = 5.475 BTC [+] | [12:22] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 1 @ 0.0045 BTC [+] | [12:22] |
dub | ;;ticker | [12:24] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.50339, Best ask: 137.99979, Bid-ask spread: 0.49640, Last trade: 137.99979, 24 hour volume: 67917.79154725, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.97076 | [12:24] |
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troc | ;;bids 0 | [12:44] |
gribble | There are currently 31105962 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 10993520.0394 USD in total. | Data vintage: 40.9189 seconds | [12:44] |
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bgupta | what's the deal with this? http://coinlab.com/press I seem to still be able to directly access my mtgox account? | [12:55] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7501 BTC [-] | [12:55] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 10 @ 0.01 = 0.1 BTC [+] | [13:00] |
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bgupta | ;;goxlag | [13:04] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 0.270389 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.000541856528574 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin to the other side of the Earth, along the surface (0.0001339 AU). | [13:04] |
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jurov | bgupta: seems no deal so far, at all | [13:16] |
KRS1337 | wtf is up with LTC price | [13:17] |
jurov | they announced just move of "biggest account" | [13:17] |
bgupta | links? | [13:17] |
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KRS1337 | does this mean its done? | [13:19] |
jurov | bgupta: http://coinlab.com/status | [13:19] |
jurov | KRS1337: imho just more people like me pulled out some ltcs from socks | [13:20] |
bgupta | seems at some point it will come mandatory? | [13:20] |
KRS1337 | dont understand | [13:20] |
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jurov | KRS1337: i had quite a few ltcs bought year ago stashed at various places | [13:21] |
jurov | and recently sold some | [13:21] |
bgupta | KRS1337: What is your question? IE: WHo are you talking to? | [13:21] |
KRS1337 | jurov | [13:21] |
jurov | so more ppl did the same, i guess | [13:21] |
bgupta | so jurov you aren't gonna wait to see if mtgox wil follow through? | [13:21] |
KRS1337 | so the ltcs at BTC-e are worthless, but tthe ltc's at another exchange arent? | [13:21] |
jurov | bgupta, just get rid off mtgox completely. fortunately i'm not american, just following | [13:22] |
KRS1337 | will I lose my btc investment too soon? wtf is going on | [13:22] |
KRS1337 | great friday morning i woke up to | [13:22] |
jurov | imho coinlab hit some major snags with these alphas, hence no update | [13:22] |
bgupta | ltc had rally on mtgox rumor/pseudo-news.. (that mtgox was gonna trade ltc) | [13:23] |
jurov | KRS1337: what??? | [13:23] |
bgupta | jurov, where else can I trade btc with liqudity | [13:23] |
jurov | bgupta, trade mpex stocks instead :D | [13:23] |
KRS1337 | jurov: idk..i see ltc tanking then i hear get away from gox..idk what to do | [13:24] |
jurov | and if you absolutely must trade btcusd, bitfloor seems to be rising. | [13:24] |
KRS1337 | so i can probably transfer them to another exchange? I see people on btc-e losing their asses | [13:24] |
KRS1337 | on ltc | [13:24] |
bgupta | am trading AM but not trading on MPOE yet. | [13:25] |
jurov | KRS1337: just inform yourself at recent mtgox happenings. they are just seriously inept. | [13:25] |
jurov | and i never said anything about btc-e!!! | [13:25] |
KRS1337 | i know..its just me | [13:25] |
bgupta | KRS1337: Dude ltc hit an all time high on btc-e based on rumos that mtgox is gonna start allowing ltc trading there.. | [13:26] |
jurov | that's bs, it went up before that announcement | [13:26] |
bgupta | it's pulled back quite a bit as people who bought ltc at very low prices are taking profits | [13:26] |
KRS1337 | its all in the red | [13:26] |
KRS1337 | low $3? | [13:26] |
jurov | i'm not going to predict anything. just don't panic and wait it out | [13:28] |
KRS1337 | hmmm maybe i can buy a ton right now | [13:28] |
KRS1337 | but when it slows down | [13:29] |
jurov | it is possible ltc will get more attractive since btc starts to be unusable for micropayments. or maybe not. | [13:29] |
bgupta | KRS-1: it was below $.10 not that long ago.. | [13:32] |
bgupta | KRS1337: to [ut it in perspective http://www.ltc-charts.com/period-charts.php?period=3-months&resolution=day&pair=ltc-btc&market=btc-e | [13:32] |
bgupta | look at the chart and relax | [13:33] |
KRS1337 | mk | [13:33] |
bgupta | it's way more volitile than btc at the moment | [13:33] |
KRS1337 | ya thats a good thing..i have no long term interest in ltc..just wanted to throw a buch down right quick but did not expect this | [13:34] |
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bgupta | buy or sell? | [13:34] |
mircea_popescu | what, ltc bubble popping ? | [13:35] |
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KRS1337 | yeh looks like value gone way done | [13:37] |
KRS1337 | down | [13:37] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070684 = 0.9189 BTC [+] | [13:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1300 @ 0.00070685 = 0.9189 BTC [+] | [13:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3400 @ 0.00070686 = 2.4033 BTC [+] | [13:39] |
bgupta | if ltc moves to mtgox it will get some liquidity… can't say that will neccesarily help the price but it should be eaasier than btc-e | [13:41] |
joeykrim | mircea_popescu, talked last night with kakobrekla who recommended i ask you .. ive been putting in bets on bitbet.us and was wondering if you had any insight on why some get rejected? | [13:42] |
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mircea_popescu | well, have you looked at the faq any ? | [13:42] |
joeykrim | wanted to refine my approach to help save us both time and put in better bet suggestions hah | [13:42] |
mircea_popescu | this is a merituous approach. | [13:43] |
joeykrim | read the faq, stay away from bad bets, something i would bet on | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | right. pm some examples then | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1337 maybe you're confusing price and value ? | [13:43] |
joeykrim | can i pm you the address ive been using? | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | pretty much the one use of ltc that i can see atm is to play ponzi. do you see another ? | [13:43] |
mircea_popescu | joeykrim sure that works. | [13:43] |
joeykrim | sent thx | [13:43] |
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KRS1337 | yes mircea popescu i am | [13:48] |
bgupta | mircea_popescu: Arguably one could have said the same about btc 3 years ago… IE: Many claimed btc was a big ponzi scheme that created value out of nothing.. I'm not convinced but there may be value in having more than one cc. | [13:49] |
KRS1337 | maybe.. bgupta i think about that | [13:49] |
mircea_popescu | bgupta this is a broken argument. | [13:50] |
mircea_popescu | at the time people were saying that about btc 1. btc was unique and 2. they were being ignorant. | [13:50] |
mircea_popescu | at the time i'm saying this about ltc, 1. ltc is a copy of btc with no actual advantage and 2. i'm not ignorant. | [13:50] |
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deadweasel | ;;ticker | [13:53] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.56113, Best ask: 136.90000, Bid-ask spread: 0.33887, Last trade: 136.90000, 24 hour volume: 68876.63929509, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 135.14460 | [13:53] |
deadweasel | morning all | [13:53] |
mircea_popescu | hya | [13:54] |
MJR_ | ;;bc,24hbrc | [13:55] |
gribble | Error: "bc,24hbrc" is not a valid command. | [13:55] |
MJR_ | hi all | [13:55] |
mircea_popescu | ello | [13:56] |
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deadweasel | ;;bc,24hprc | [13:58] |
gribble | 134.80 | [13:58] |
MJR_ | ;;goxlag | [13:58] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 0.702306 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00140741336059 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). | [13:58] |
MJR_ | ;;ticker | [13:58] |
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gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.50000, Best ask: 136.99899, Bid-ask spread: 0.49899, Last trade: 136.50000, 24 hour volume: 69060.31474902, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 135.14890 | [13:58] |
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MJR_ | ;;bids 0 | [13:59] |
gribble | There are currently 31113948 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11041719.7415 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0106 seconds | [13:59] |
mircea_popescu | o look, 11 mn | [14:07] |
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mircea_popescu | https://self-evident.org/?p=993 | [14:08] |
mircea_popescu | whoever is writing that please get better colors. | [14:08] |
KRS1337 | if I want to sell btc but gox is lagging really bad does that mean i get a really bad market price or my sell orders might not go through? | [14:10] |
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bgupta | umm it means that you need to read what the difference is between a market order and a limit order | [14:10] |
mircea_popescu | KRS-1 use limit orders i guess | [14:11] |
mircea_popescu | yeah | [14:11] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [14:11] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 15.922054 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0319076179438 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU). | [14:11] |
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KRS1337 | ok thanks | [14:12] |
KRS1337 | I appreciate your insight | [14:13] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bc,stats | [14:13] |
gribble | Current Blocks: 229785 | Current Difficulty: 6695826.282596251 | Next Difficulty At Block: 229823 | Next Difficulty In: 38 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 30 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 7687054.9986 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.80368 | [14:13] |
bgupta | ;;ticker | [14:14] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.50000, Best ask: 137.99900, Bid-ask spread: 0.49900, Last trade: 137.99999, 24 hour volume: 69290.11482755, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 135.16736 | [14:14] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [14:14] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 1.238126 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00248119064125 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). | [14:14] |
KRS1337 | yes- limit order that is what i meant about my sell order not going through- market price is lower than my selling price at that moment, but my view to the actual market price is obscure | [14:14] |
KRS1337 | this can cause a major sell mentality with people | [14:15] |
KRS1337 | people are lemmings for the most part | [14:15] |
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KRS1 | im not sure cloudflare KNOWS how to protect against dos, they just seem to put up a maint page if it gets too bad | [14:17] |
Scrat | KRS1 they actually do and it's great value for price, but not very secure | [14:18] |
Scrat | they MITM all your traffic | [14:18] |
KRS1 | yet when it gets too bad, it goes to their "offline" page | [14:18] |
mircea_popescu | scrat has it. | [14:18] |
mircea_popescu | its consumer doohickey, great for if your ex's nephew is ddosing your cooking blog | [14:19] |
KRS1 | right.. | [14:19] |
joeykrim | KRS1, i think you might only see that in one specific region until they re-route to another region | [14:19] |
KRS1 | that could be-yes | [14:19] |
KRS1 | or their customers are just not big enough?? | [14:19] |
KRS1 | big $ demands moar pipe? | [14:19] |
KRS1 | reminds me of back in the day with foonet mafia..its been a while. | [14:20] |
mircea_popescu | all these idiots thinking they're "journalists" | [14:23] |
mircea_popescu | it boggles the mind. | [14:23] |
KRS1 | lol someones about to buy 3900 namecoins for 30 btc | [14:27] |
Scrat | today's fuckup: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1bq2p8/coinbase_publishes_your_name_and_email_publicly/c98yibg | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | what those are a dollar too ? | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | bwahaha o gawd. | [14:28] |
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cads | hey mircea_popescu , ce faci? | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | bine | [14:28] |
mircea_popescu | ouch | [14:29] |
KRS1 | they should just give me the 30 btc instead of buying namecoins, at least i'll talk dirty to them or something | [14:29] |
cads | heeh | [14:29] |
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mircea_popescu | Scrat i bet the forum will be full of people saying "thank you mpoe-pr for warning us not to trust these muppets a month ago" | [14:30] |
Scrat | who the fuck is mpoe-pr, isn't that you? | [14:31] |
mircea_popescu | my pr. | [14:31] |
Bugpowder | lol | [14:31] |
Bugpowder | Bids now > $11.1MM | [14:31] |
mircea_popescu | Bugpowder and yet the price is going nowehre. | [14:31] |
mircea_popescu | so it wasn't gox doing it, it's not related to the dollars on the exhange, running out of theories here. | [14:32] |
KRS1 | haha scrat | [14:32] |
saulimus | Bugpowder, yes, at those prices they bid at. | [14:35] |
cads | mircea_popescu: I have a help request and project proposal for you. | [14:35] |
mircea_popescu | shoot. | [14:35] |
cads | mircea_popescu: this summer I will work towards implementing a marketplace for BTC <-> LTC futures. | [14:36] |
mircea_popescu | KRS1 http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/network/2005/02/04/ddos.html btw | [14:36] |
cads | mircea_popescu: Is that the kind of project that you would be interested in mentoring? | [14:36] |
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mircea_popescu | are you hiring a consultant ? | [14:36] |
cads | No, I intend to do all the research and coding myself - API + engine. The web front end will be done by friends. | [14:37] |
KRS1 | mircea popescu: yeah there was a lot of publicity on that..I'm good friends with the guy who caused it..it seems homeland security was on the same network he was killing for 3 weeks | [14:37] |
KRS1 | so they paid him a visit.. | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | link is to charges dismissed. | [14:37] |
mircea_popescu | cads aha ok. | [14:37] |
KRS1 | noooo he went to prison.. | [14:37] |
KRS1 | the thing is..his company was getting DDoS'd and he was hitting them back, but 10X harder | [14:37] |
KRS1 | it was a big fiasco and admittedly exciting back then | [14:38] |
mircea_popescu | but... | [14:38] |
mircea_popescu | the link... | [14:38] |
cads | mircea_popescu: I would not be able to pay you for your time. I would want to talk to you about high level architecture and implementation details. | [14:39] |
mircea_popescu | well, whatever you get away with leeching in public chan then i guess. | [14:39] |
KRS1 | yeah the link..i really can't explain it..i had to wait for Paul to get out, he told me about it..sucked..he did time. | [14:39] |
cads | mircea_popescu: barring any formal mentorship/student relationship, I would like at least to ask you basic questions over the next few months. | [14:39] |
mircea_popescu | finance consulting is finance consulting, more expensive than hiring a lawyer, | [14:40] |
mircea_popescu | which is more expensive than going to the dentist | [14:40] |
cads | I agree. I would be asking essentially for 'gratis' financial consulting. Not a winning proposition for you by any means. | [14:41] |
bitesak | sounds like a great idea | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | prolly needs a better model. | [14:41] |
mircea_popescu | in general this "i shall put together found items in the hope of constructing something of value" works fine if what you're doing is art projects in highschool. | [14:42] |
ThickAsThieves | i think mp is saying you dont have to ask to ask, and he doesnt have to answer | [14:42] |
cads | I in turn have some wonky ideas. I want to build the core engine in haskell. I want to release the software for free. I'd like to help run the exchange, but I do not wish to be paid for it. | [14:42] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves yes, that, plus, you can't sanely rely on the end result working. | [14:42] |
cads | mircea_popescu: this is part of what I consider my "free work". Some people do a finance internship. I will build an exchange. | [14:43] |
Scrat | cads: haskell would be a bad idea. only a few people in the world would be able to read it | [14:43] |
cads | "free work", of course, is not work I do for free, but work I do to increase my public reputation in ways beyond what normal allowances of authority would give. | [14:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 1 @ 0.445 BTC [-] | [14:44] |
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KRS1 | lol haskell | [14:44] |
MJR_ | hey, haskell is kinda cool | [14:44] |
Scrat | try erlang | [14:44] |
MJR_ | someone was trying to port bitcoin-qt to haskell | [14:44] |
mircea_popescu | cads yeah well, most people don't dop internships on opm | [14:44] |
mircea_popescu | so the most reasonable thing to do is set a clear sum of your own pocket aside as guarantee (10 btc, .5 btc, w/e) | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | and limit trades to that. | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | and put a plain warning in the about file, this is what this is. | [14:45] |
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cads | Scrat: I agree writing the code in haskell would make the software obscure. However I know a number of derivatives design and valuation packages that run in haskell. Haskell has great support for financial contracts. | [14:45] |
mircea_popescu | as long as you're learning you can use anything you want. | [14:46] |
mircea_popescu | use fortran | [14:46] |
cads | Speculatively, haskell provides a direct path for producing code that is verified mathematically correct | [14:46] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [14:46] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 138.47700, Best ask: 138.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.02300, Last trade: 138.50000, 24 hour volume: 68834.52654232, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 135.21438 | [14:46] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;asks 139.94 | [14:47] |
gribble | There are currently 1842.3181 bitcoins offered at or under 139.94 USD, worth 256753.041292 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0014 seconds | [14:47] |
cads | only languages that are harder to use than haskell offer this feature. Language such as Agda II, Cayenne, bitc, or Coq. | [14:47] |
cads | and yes, I said Coq :P | [14:47] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bids 135 | [14:47] |
gribble | There are currently 2698.3713 bitcoins demanded at or over 135.0 USD, worth 365396.597563 USD in total. | Data vintage: 13.2939 seconds | [14:47] |
bitesak | ;;asks 149 | [14:48] |
gribble | There are currently 17923.011 bitcoins offered at or under 149.0 USD, worth 2583454.10924 USD in total. | Data vintage: 82.4161 seconds | [14:48] |
KRS1 | there it goes 3224 namecoins for 24 btc | [14:50] |
KRS1 | lol | [14:50] |
cads | mircea_popescu: I am a mathematician, not a coder, so I don't expect this project to succeed without some serious help. I have the whole #haskell community. I have 5 years of haskell. I can use ruby, python, php etc for frontend. I will rework my ideas on attribution and profit share (it may be best to arrange that I profit financially from a successful completion). Will this be a project you can provide moral support to? | [14:52] |
cads | mircea_popescu: aside from moral support and guidance, I will ask questions about how the mpex was implemented. | [14:53] |
cads | This is all. I do not expect more than an hour each week of interspersed conversation. About as much as we've talked already, in fact. | [14:53] |
cads | in fact, I think I'm happy with your proposed offering of whatever I can pick up in here. | [14:54] |
MJR_ | could he use a non-turing complete forth-like scripting language? | [14:55] |
MJR_ | jk | [14:55] |
cads | eventually when I can model arbitrary contracts, they will be implemented as a non-turing complete contract-composition syntax | [14:55] |
cads | MJR, I will be following the classical "Composing Contracts" paper: http://contracts.scheming.org/ | [14:56] |
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MJR_ | kewl | [14:57] |
MJR_ | i was just drawing a parallel to the scripting aspect of bitcoin transactions | [14:58] |
mircea_popescu | cads those you certainly aren't getting answered. | [14:58] |
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MJR_ | but i got my backend exhchange stuff working...step one is complete | [14:58] |
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mircea_popescu | if you think about it, this is proprietary sowftware which constitutes the main tangible asset of a corp mkt-valued at about a hundred million dollars. | [15:00] |
MJR_ | mpex? | [15:01] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [15:01] |
MJR_ | nice | [15:01] |
cads | mircea_popescu: sounds like a reasonable protection | [15:02] |
mircea_popescu | there's parts about mpex that are very open, such as for instance the use of gpg to protect orderflow | [15:03] |
cads | Also, as I intend to publicly document each step of the process, and then release the result for free to whoever wishes to provide starting reserve capital, I understand I will get ridiculed | [15:03] |
mircea_popescu | or some parts of the server architecture | [15:03] |
mircea_popescu | these are well documented on trilema, and i'm pushing people to adopt them | [15:03] |
mircea_popescu | (people, being donkeys, know better, so they continue getting owned a la coinbase) | [15:04] |
error4733 | sold coinbase mail DB PM for offer | [15:05] |
error4733 | :trollface: | [15:05] |
mircea_popescu | 10ltc | [15:06] |
cads | :D | [15:06] |
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mircea_popescu | what's moral support in your definition ? | [15:07] |
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cads | mircea_popescu: I believe that what a student can do greatly increases even by having a teacher that says 'it is possible'. Moral support means philosophical and encouragement. It would mean a great deal to have whatever positive, constructive input you wish to provide. When we provide others with moral support, we do it only so far as it helps our reputation or internal sense of gratification at having helped someone. | [15:10] |
mircea_popescu | a, that's a different beast. | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | it certainly possible to build a ltc/btc futures market. | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | unless you're pointedly an idiot about it, it's going to be useful, too. | [15:11] |
mircea_popescu | the other definition of moral support however is as to third parties. you can't go around saying "i'm working with mp on this" unless we actually have a deal of some sort. | [15:12] |
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cads | mircea_popescu: I would certainly keep you on the anonymous gratitude lisk | [15:13] |
cads | even up to what we've talked already | [15:13] |
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MJR_ | basically stressing the difference between "endorsement" and "encouragement" | [15:13] |
cads | precisely | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | something like that. | [15:13] |
cads | I do not wish to profit from recieving your public endorsement, no. | [15:13] |
mircea_popescu | it's not a crime, it's business. stuff i sign off on does better in the marketplacer | [15:14] |
cads | any private friendship will be repayed in kind to my social network. | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | s.bbet being probably the shiniest example. | [15:14] |
cads | I believe I am creating this exchange as a gift to the community | [15:14] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway : deprived is one fellow actively doing some ltc/btc futures stuff, tho mostly otc. | [15:14] |
MJR_ | now you are getting on shaky territory | [15:14] |
cads | I do not wish to profit from it in ways other than 1) public reputation if I succed, and 2) transferrable skills regardless of whether I fail or succeed. | [15:15] |
MJR_ | its funny but "altruism" engenders less trust than profit | [15:15] |
cads | I agree | [15:15] |
MJR_ | those should be positive side effects of a workable sustainable plan | [15:15] |
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mircea_popescu | yeah, this entire "make a gift to the community" thing is suspect. | [15:16] |
MJR_ | hehehe, i knew thats what you would say | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | doing a general "this is how a successful business is made" documentary thing is one thing. | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | but when taaki stole and "released" the bitcoinica code | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | the only result was some even worse idiots made bitfinex. | [15:16] |
mircea_popescu | there's no real benefit in making an open source thing the general public may confuse with a financial market to their detriment. | [15:17] |
mircea_popescu | empowering people to run nuclear power plants in their garage is not a good thing | [15:17] |
cads | mircea_popescu: I have already been advised once that for the project to succeed and be safe and beneficial long term. | [15:17] |
MJR_ | hmmm...great idea...but can we sell that? | [15:17] |
MJR_ | (garage based nuclear power) | [15:18] |
cads | I am starting to change my opinion, due to the 'trust' argument | [15:18] |
DeaDTerra | WTS G.SDICE,G.MPOE,G.BBET,BTCQuick :) pm me with offer | [15:18] |
cads | mircea_popescu: this is where this community's advice is already coming in handy. | [15:19] |
cads | I can see reason. | [15:19] |
cads | If I have to set myself up to financially benefit, and hold the new company as a private organization, I will | [15:19] |
MJR_ | point is, people can't calculate your ephemeral motives, hence they can't arrive at the same conclusions...if based on clear mathematical profit model, they can arrive at the same conclusions and see the benefits | [15:19] |
mircea_popescu | cads you can run it as a strictly limited operation. | [15:20] |
MJR_ | people trust that other people will do whats in their own self interest | [15:20] |
cads | of course, whether I give my income to charity will be a private decision then. My inventive to serve the project honestly will come from that. | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | "i am doing this to learn, it's not for serious, i have 10 btc set in escrow with X if site fucks up" | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | that also works. | [15:20] |
cads | Yes. | [15:20] |
mircea_popescu | may be more adequate for what you want. | [15:20] |
cads | I think that would be a suitable initial offering. | [15:20] |
cads | The high level bells and whistles will come in later iterations. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | publish your total exposure/don't let people expose you over that sumand that'sthat. | [15:21] |
MJR_ | i think that mpex's model is great...what if x, x', x'' and x''' happen | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | if you blow up escrow saves you, and you will be the first failed bitcoin business that failed correctly. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | would be worth failing just for that. | [15:21] |
cads | That would be extremely valuable to me, even as a failure. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | well to everyone. | [15:21] |
mircea_popescu | shows you had the sense to a. ask b. think through c. implement something safe. | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | big deal. | [15:22] |
cads | Certainly | [15:22] |
cads | very well, I am optimistic about this response | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | and in general i've always supported stuff that was made to be safe. | [15:22] |
mircea_popescu | my girl regularly roils over things that calously put the public in grave danger | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | for minor benefits of the "entrepreneur" | [15:23] |
mircea_popescu | just not a sustainable model. | [15:23] |
cads | my eventual goal is attain skills needed to write 1) a mathematical specification of a secure trading 2) a program that is provably correct relative that specification | [15:24] |
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cads | secure trading platform* | [15:24] |
mircea_popescu | cads you ever seen the | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | hm where isi t | [15:25] |
cads | this is a level of rigor that a few years ago produced L4-Verified, the world's first mathematically correct unix micro-kernel | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/ | [15:25] |
mircea_popescu | if you can actually build a business on that model for instance, i'd certainly list it. | [15:26] |
MJR_ | that looks awesome | [15:28] |
MJR_ | and it is in some ways a "futures" hedge on code | [15:28] |
MJR_ | never cease to amaze me | [15:28] |
cads | mircea_popescu: though I would be thrilled to offer that, frankly I would need 5 years of software dev manager work before I could assemble and run such a team, to completely forget about capital. | [15:28] |
MJR_ | *slow claps* | [15:28] |
cads | But yes. That is the type of sector I wish to enter. | [15:29] |
mircea_popescu | this is true, just, since we were on the topic of provavbility. | [15:29] |
cads | yeah, I also believe offering provability services would be a great extension to that model | [15:29] |
cads | thanks for sharing that, It's going into my business models brainstorming file | [15:30] |
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cads | Okay, I will first brainstorm about a ~10BTC service | [15:30] |
pgp | cads: are you doing this for a dissertation? | [15:30] |
cads | pgp: I'm not sure if I'm going to remain in school | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | basically there is going to be space for 10k mathematicians and 100k software experts (this is NOT webdevelopers, ruby coders etc) | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | all making great salaries, out of btc. | [15:31] |
MJR_ | hahaha | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | more jobs than all qe rounds ever created. | [15:31] |
pgp | drop out - start up | [15:31] |
cads | if I do, then yes, I expect to use topics like this for my masters/phd | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | i always said the power of an idea is the number of people it can make drop out of school. | [15:31] |
mircea_popescu | this is why whoredom is such a great thing. | [15:32] |
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cads | but I also have work in applied logic and economics and game theory that is promising | [15:32] |
MJR_ | i think you can draw a clear parrallel to "crop harvesting" and "code development"...it actually seems like a perfect analogy in some ways | [15:32] |
cads | this is more of a project to tempt myself to leave school over :D | [15:32] |
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pgp | lol | [15:32] |
cads | I might be overcommitting | [15:33] |
cads | but I should certainly be able to push up a _small_ service | [15:33] |
cads | I am also recruiting investors for a 3d printing business I'd like to help my brother set up | [15:33] |
mircea_popescu | one of the advantages of the 10btc backstop is that it disencentivises overengineering | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | it is, after all, 10 btc. | [15:34] |
cads | yep! :D | [15:34] |
cads | that's a genius architecture decision | [15:34] |
cads | I have no problem refactoring the code to scale it | [15:34] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, it's kinda why i make a lot of money consulting. | [15:34] |
cads | mircea_popescu: I tend to give my best advice without knowing it to friends, lol. And less good advice to my consutancy. | [15:35] |
cads | something I ought to change. | [15:35] |
mircea_popescu | i've never noticed such | [15:35] |
cads | well to give an example I helped a friend for free to learn inequalities. Helped me breakthrough a new way to teach inequalities. Spent a couple hours. On the other hand, I charge so much for tutoring that my students often can't afford two hour stretches. | [15:37] |
cads | and that's where I find the real breakthroughs happen | [15:37] |
cads | Really the solution is become a better tutor. | [15:37] |
cads | this is not quite the consulting capacity. | [15:37] |
mircea_popescu | i only teach slaves these days, pretty much. | [15:38] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [15:38] |
cads | haha, aka employees? | [15:38] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.50501, Best ask: 136.94999, Bid-ask spread: 0.44498, Last trade: 136.94999, 24 hour volume: 67129.13784366, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 135.15683 | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | no, no. | [15:38] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 2 @ 0.15789 = 0.3158 BTC [+] | [15:38] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/nsfw-mosu-cu-joarda/ aka slaves. | [15:39] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17150 @ 0.00069535 = 11.9253 BTC [-] | [15:41] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1500 @ 0.00068933 = 1.034 BTC [-] | [15:41] |
cads | ;) | [15:42] |
mircea_popescu | http://blockchain.info/address/1JqjoFF8QZwidrTbfnihGHDeu16pbLia1q < ver's shop inbound addy | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | total sales, 4k | [15:44] |
mircea_popescu | why so low ?! | [15:44] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00070686 = 6.8565 BTC [+] | [15:46] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [15:50] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.50206, Best ask: 136.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.44794, Last trade: 136.50206, 24 hour volume: 63557.73550732, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 142.12000, 24 hour vwap: 134.88219 | [15:50] |
ChaangNoi | only teach slaves eh mp? what is the going rate for a virgian romanian sex slave? (female) | [15:52] |
mircea_popescu | i don't buy em. | [15:52] |
mircea_popescu | that's kinda the entire point. | [15:52] |
ChaangNoi | gifts? | [15:53] |
ChaangNoi | or just dont has? | [15:53] |
anarchyxx | if i would be making dollars available, for you to buy bitcoins with - how much would pay for it? 1% per day on the amount I lend? | [15:54] |
ChaangNoi | ltc correct a bit, anyone know when gox is going to list them? | [15:54] |
ChaangNoi | ill pay 1% a day says pirateat40 | [15:54] |
pgp | 1% a day sounds about right... | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | 1% a day ?! what ?! | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 1.01**365 | [15:55] |
gribble | 37.7834343329 | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | what exactly are you doing for 3778% apr | [15:55] |
pgp | margin lending on buying BTC... | [15:55] |
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ChaangNoi | pirateat40 paid 1% a day:) | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | no, he didn't. | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | he said he would. | [15:55] |
pgp | that's usually what it is over at bitfinex | [15:55] |
mircea_popescu | different story. | [15:55] |
ChaangNoi | he did for almost a year:) | [15:56] |
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mircea_popescu | using bitfinex is like swimming in the east river. | [15:56] |
ChaangNoi | then the sec, lulz | [15:56] |
pgp | 448167.3 USD in outstanding margin loans at weighted averae of 224.08% | [15:57] |
ChaangNoi | but really, who wants fiat? | [15:57] |
troc | ;;bids 0 | [15:58] |
gribble | There are currently 31116429 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11492698.8359 USD in total. | Data vintage: 101.1584 seconds | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [15:58] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.61003, Best ask: 136.95000, Bid-ask spread: 0.33997, Last trade: 136.95000, 24 hour volume: 61707.94188656, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 141.95999, 24 hour vwap: 134.66885 | [15:58] |
pgp | how much of the rate is time value of USD vs BTC and how much of it is risk premium of letting those guys hold your USD? | [15:58] |
ChaangNoi | 11 million in bids, nice | [15:58] |
mircea_popescu | stable btc, even nicer. | [15:59] |
ChaangNoi | rock seems to be refuling, i bet next week is a nice jump again (assuming no massive crash on the weekend) | [15:59] |
anarchyxx | yeah its very stable compared to 2 days ago, i like it a lot | [15:59] |
mircea_popescu | two days. this clearly proves btc is not a bubble. | [15:59] |
ChaangNoi | :) | [15:59] |
ChaangNoi | ltc was over $5 for two days lol | [15:59] |
ChaangNoi | it crashed quit a bit | [15:59] |
anarchyxx | i heard some guy dumped 25% of his btc, and made 600k - you think thats a smart move to get out 25% of your stash right now? | [16:00] |
ChaangNoi | i sold 25% of my ltc for btc, then sold that into cash | [16:00] |
ChaangNoi | but im not selling my btc stash | [16:00] |
ChaangNoi | not until 850ish | [16:00] |
ChaangNoi | and then only 10 to 25% | [16:01] |
pgp | gotta live... and life still runs on fiat... | [16:01] |
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cads | mircea_popescu: ah, those kinds of slave. And they have so much to learn I can understand why teaching anyone else might be low priority. | [16:01] |
ChaangNoi | ltc just up 10,000% in 2 months i was like, yeah time to lock in profits | [16:01] |
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anarchyxx | in case of ltc i can't blame you | [16:01] |
ChaangNoi | i had way more than anyone should have, i got lucky | [16:02] |
mircea_popescu | cads moreover, it resolves the "can't afford to pay" issue nicely. | [16:02] |
bitesak | but you said you were probably the unluckiest chap in bitcoin_ | [16:03] |
mircea_popescu | bitesak he changes about weekly. | [16:03] |
cads | mircea_popescu: they _pay_ for your teaching? | [16:03] |
mircea_popescu | cads seeing how i own them already, they don't have to. | [16:03] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.919 BTC [+] | [16:03] |
cads | mircea_popescu: very dark. That always seems like nothing more than a game to me. I think I'd have to develop the ownership mentality to be a really good master. | [16:06] |
mircea_popescu | nothing dark about it | [16:06] |
mircea_popescu | education doesn't really work under any other paradigm anyway. | [16:06] |
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cads | Yep, if it's not authentic the atmosphere suffers. | [16:07] |
cads | *shrug* | [16:07] |
cads | plenty of time to play in that regard when I am entirely more possessed of my own sense of greatness | [16:08] |
mircea_popescu | i suspect such a sense is moreover dangerous in that context. | [16:08] |
cads | a humble master, huh? | [16:09] |
ChaangNoi | http://buzz.money.cnn.com/2013/04/05/bitcoin-bubble/?section=money_topstories&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fmoney_topstories+(Top+Stories | [16:09] |
mircea_popescu | teh true master, beyond great and humble. | [16:09] |
cads | Things to learn. In time ;) | [16:10] |
mircea_popescu | 2nd jgb halt today | [16:11] |
mircea_popescu | japan isn't doing too well. | [16:11] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.003498 = 0.007 BTC [+] | [16:12] |
ChaangNoi | lol japan... | [16:12] |
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mircea_popescu | http://bitbet.us/bet/376/bfl-will-stop-giving-refunds-on-bitforce-sc/ | [16:15] |
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kakobrekla | things will be getting back to normal shortly. | [16:16] |
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ChaangNoi | what is not normal? (other than japan)? | [16:20] |
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MJR_ | mircea_popescu: this article is great | [16:26] |
MJR_ | http://nymag.com/news/features/tide-detergent-drugs-2013-1/index1.html | [16:26] |
MJR_ | "medium of exchange" is the most flexible part of money... | [16:27] |
mircea_popescu | i recall reading that exact thing months ago | [16:27] |
kakobrekla | http://forexmagnates.com/bitcoin-denominated-mt4-trading-at-bit4x/ | [16:28] |
MJR_ | ah, someone talking about bitcoins linked to that, i thought it was very interesting | [16:29] |
mircea_popescu | the gall of these people. | [16:30] |
mircea_popescu | so coinbase comes up with a warning, against phishing. | [16:30] |
mircea_popescu | how did the phishers get the emails ? coinbase leak ? a, we don't mention that. | [16:30] |
mircea_popescu | fucking scum at the bottom of the bitcoin pond, these people. | [16:31] |
deadweasel | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=167900.0 | [16:31] |
deadweasel | coinbase is leaking | [16:31] |
mircea_popescu | yea | [16:32] |
MJR_ | funny how the volume spiked at the same time as the ny market opened | [16:32] |
deadweasel | correlation, US got woke up or got to their desk. | [16:34] |
ChaangNoi | i think a lot of this is fund traders doing it on the side | [16:36] |
ChaangNoi | hell, who of them would not have heard about btc by now | [16:36] |
cads | mircea_popescu: http://polimedia.us/trilema/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/#comment-90935 "That’s a good point, if the codebase is small formal validation would probably be the way to go." | [16:36] |
ChaangNoi | ltc juped as well :/ | [16:37] |
cads | "One major point which the original article neglects to mention is that this proposed business would be an excellent point of crystallization for true IT competence, drawing some actually qualified people in." | [16:37] |
cads | mircea_popescu: ding ding ding... | [16:37] |
cads | I think I might have hit on an interesting idea | [16:38] |
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MJR_ | yes, that was my point, is that i think there is increasing volume of people accustomed to a 9:30 EST market opening | [16:43] |
MJR_ | that would be a good metric to track... | [16:44] |
MJR_ | to judge the amount of "institutional" or "wall street" interest | [16:44] |
cads | mircea_popescu: do you have customers in mind for the code review adventure? | [16:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1022 = 0.2044 BTC [-] | [16:49] |
cads | I'm thinking risk and externalities on the insurance derivative over this kind of service would be _far_ beyond my abilities to manage. However a code review would be quite lucrative and low risk. Also, it might be reasonable to begin offering formal verification services from the gate, or about 1 year after startup. It's not that hard to teach. When you have your own slaves. | [16:50] |
cads | and I mean employees | [16:50] |
cads | sex-employees cost too much! | [16:50] |
cads | The issue I see with formal verification is so few people know to ask for it by name | [16:51] |
cads | also, I know any number of people that play with the technology _for fun_, but much fewer who have names for themselves (and those guys tend to be happily employed) | [16:52] |
optimator | I've thought about the insurance thing before. I think you'll end up developing pci-type standards and then measuring / certifying the company against those standards | [16:53] |
optimator | http://www.pcicomplianceguide.org/pcifaqs.php | [16:54] |
cads | mircea_popescu: thanks for that stimulating line of thought, I'm getting some positive feedback from my peers already. | [16:54] |
cads | throwing in the bone about coding an exchange, too | [16:54] |
cads | I might see some champing at the bit :) | [16:54] |
mircea_popescu | cads> mircea_popescu: do you have customers in mind for the code review adventure? << sure. pretty much any new service opening. | [16:55] |
mircea_popescu | optimator i think that direction is pretty much diametrically opposed. | [16:56] |
optimator | how so? | [16:56] |
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mircea_popescu | let's go by example : the cc industry is pretty much all pci compliant | [16:57] |
mircea_popescu | about half the cards in the world are available to download on the black market. | [16:58] |
mircea_popescu | the idea is to succeed not to fail here. | [16:58] |
optimator | ah. the issue is pci is broke, not that an open sourced bitcoin security standard would fail | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | but anyway. pci is pretty much marketing fluff. heavy on the blabla and three letter acronims, pompous definitions and posturing. | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | very light on actual anything. which mostly boils down to some penetration testing | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | yes | [16:59] |
cads | http://www.ertos.nicta.com.au/research/l4.verified/approach.pml | [16:59] |
optimator | sure, but i want to provide insurance to a site. but I'll only insure if they meet some standard. How do you define the standard? individual for each site? | [16:59] |
mircea_popescu | a, no, if you read the article/comments it's agreed some standards will have to be arrived at/published | [17:00] |
cads | this approach is essentially extensible to let us create almost anything needed. Bitcoin asic? Verified. LTC asic? verified. Bitcoin stock exchage? | [17:00] |
cads | Can I hear "verified"? | [17:00] |
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optimator | right - pci, was just a placeholder, for an agreed upon standard | [17:01] |
MJR_ | this could be the "slightly smoky dragon" certification that i have been asking for... | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | "Stay tuned for the first commercially available, fully formally verified microkernel." | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | what's the news on that btw ? | [17:01] |
mircea_popescu | optimator right. | [17:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.75 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 2 @ 0.748 = 1.496 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7401 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 8 @ 0.735 = 5.88 BTC [-] | [17:01] |
MJR_ | my point was that if someone has credibility (mpex) they can call their cert whatever they want, it will have value | [17:01] |
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cads | mircea_popescu: when you realize that this approach takes Coq -> Haskell -> C code, then you see it's about putting Coq in Cunt. Simple. I know ten medium level programmers already dying to be doing this kind of work, even if it was near free. | [17:02] |
MJR_ | so the double cherry truck and slightly smoky dragon were a joke, but they actually could hold weight now | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | MJR_ well obviously. kinda why those are there, to make that point. | [17:02] |
cads | The only part is the veracity of our code | [17:02] |
mircea_popescu | they weren't entirely a joke. best jokes are half jokes. | [17:02] |
cads | if we turn out _only_ verified code, our reputation would rise quickly. | [17:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 25 @ 0.0038 = 0.095 BTC [-] | [17:02] |
MJR_ | kernel of truth | [17:02] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 11 @ 0.0037 = 0.0407 BTC [-] | [17:02] |
MJR_ | but it points to certification is only as good as certifier | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | cads don't get overexcited now. | [17:03] |
MJR_ | in case of mpex...backed by btc | [17:03] |
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mircea_popescu | dow just dropped 100 | [17:03] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.00333333 = 0.1667 BTC [+] | [17:03] |
mircea_popescu | is now known as down jones | [17:03] |
thestringpuller | !ticker h him | [17:04] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.91900000 / 1.919 / 1.91900000 (2 shares, 3.83800000 BTC), 7D: 1.80000000 / 1.96645135 / 2.08000000 (111 shares, 218.27609996 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.8129944 / 2.08000000 (716 shares, 1298.10399240 BTC) | [17:04] |
thestringpuller | oh wow | [17:04] |
kakobrekla | O_O | [17:04] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m ^oix | [17:04] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 93.3570601 / 108.2470225 / 135.80742037 (19613 shares, 8,037.73 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [17:04] |
thestringpuller | heh | [17:05] |
MJR_ | i'm seeing bullish sentiment...if you think GLD contracts expiring today struck at 151 are an indicator...those just doubled in value since the open | [17:05] |
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thestringpuller | ;;bids 108 | [17:05] |
gribble | There are currently 35595.81 bitcoins demanded at or over 108.0 USD, worth 4409417.03238 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0056 seconds | [17:05] |
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eyes | hey, anyone got any idea what the precedant is for bets where the conditions become unclear? | [17:07] |
eyes | eg http://bitbet.us/bet/337/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-may-1st/ | [17:07] |
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mircea_popescu | eyes not really much precedent. what's unclear there ? | [17:07] |
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eyes | the spec on BFL has changed since the bet was made | [17:07] |
cads | mircea_popescu: *shrug* I do this when I make a connection that turns a deep problem into a resource. You should have seen me years ago each time I realized some little math connection. | [17:07] |
mircea_popescu | doesn't matter. spec at the time of the bet being created counts. | [17:07] |
eyes | ok cool | [17:07] |
eyes | thats what i figured but though i would check :D | [17:08] |
eyes | thankyou for quick response! | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | yeh | [17:08] |
mircea_popescu | otherwiswe would be too easy | [17:08] |
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mircea_popescu | boingboing.net/2013/04/04/american-public-schools-in-9-s.html | [17:09] |
mircea_popescu | how long till someone makes an ipad app to pinpoint mentally retarded female students aged 12 to 14, not on their period, with big tits ? | [17:09] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen smickles | [17:13] |
gribble | smickles was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 22 hours, 30 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: |
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bgupta | ;;ticker | [17:13] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.00000, Best ask: 137.19000, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 137.00000, 24 hour volume: 60517.06080753, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 139.89998, 24 hour vwap: 134.46786 | [17:13] |
thestringpuller | ;;later tell smickle pm me when you get the chance | [17:13] |
gribble | The operation succeeded. | [17:13] |
thestringpuller | ;;market sell 100000 | [17:14] |
gribble | A market order to sell 100000 bitcoins right now would net 9458202.1355 USD and would take the last price down to 41.1000 USD, resulting in an average price of 94.5820 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0044 seconds | [17:14] |
thestringpuller | ;;market sell 200000 | [17:14] |
gribble | A market order to sell 200000 bitcoins right now would net 11368941.2316 USD and would take the last price down to 7.6000 USD, resulting in an average price of 56.8447 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 11.6483 seconds | [17:14] |
cads | mircea_popescu: as long as american public doesn't know to invest in in policies and products that help identity management and security, shit like this will keep happening. | [17:14] |
mircea_popescu | cads it's an outrage tho. | [17:14] |
cads | mircea_popescu: In America, remember, privacy is 'dirty'. | [17:14] |
cads | A sin. | [17:14] |
mircea_popescu | collectivist swamp you got going there. | [17:15] |
thestringpuller | makes us all wanna move to romania | [17:15] |
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cads | 'People do naughty things in private!' It's only barely dawning on us that privacy protects you from disgusting things. | [17:15] |
cads | Have you guys read about Identiti? | [17:16] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: Simona is at the bank, how do I say this phrase. what is is again, ce froumaousa esti? | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | ce frumoasa esti. | [17:16] |
thestringpuller | how does that sound? | [17:16] |
mircea_popescu | mkay lesee | [17:17] |
cads | Identifi* http://www.rvl.io/mmalmi/identifi | [17:17] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuCPqiLNeIU | [17:18] |
cads | It is a proposed complete identity database that will collect all available data on all humans. Get this. For the purpose of leading to a gift economy. | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | first few syllables. "ce frumoasa esti" | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | cads the retards re-re-re-inventing a broken version of pgp | [17:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.36499999 BTC [-] | [17:18] |
mircea_popescu | i'm so sick of this bullshit | [17:19] |
mircea_popescu | and of the "start-up" freakshow in general. | [17:19] |
deadweasel | it's much worse in btc land | [17:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.365 BTC [+] | [17:19] |
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jurov | cads, truly fascinating ideas... but i propose to have btc code formally verified first | [17:20] |
cads | mircea_popescu: worse than that. They want judges to be voted on by a peer network. If the network doesn't like the judge's decision, they can vote another judge. The idea is that people found guilty of crimes will become universally shunned. | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | orly. | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | because what the public thinks matters. | [17:20] |
mircea_popescu | the us population < 40 is in dire need of regular weekly beatings | [17:20] |
cads | as if! | [17:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 1.919 = 3.838 BTC [+] | [17:20] |
cads | the public _thinks_ its opinion matters, and that's what is important. | [17:21] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: lol | [17:21] |
cads | Such a system would be so easy to influence it would be ridiculous. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | yeah, i've enjoyed showing better a large swath of variouses since btc. | [17:21] |
mircea_popescu | jurov ya that'll be the day. | [17:21] |
cads | jurov: you think the BTC devs would like that? | [17:22] |
jurov | *chuckles* | [17:22] |
thestringpuller | haha | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | joeykrim hey, still there ? | [17:22] |
cads | maybe I start my own coin | [17:22] |
cads | the mathcoin :P | [17:22] |
jurov | yea making proven correct altchain would be prolly easier | [17:22] |
mircea_popescu | stop starting things. | [17:23] |
cads | perfectly verified code base :D | [17:23] |
KRS-1 | you should use haskell | [17:23] |
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mircea_popescu | he should use bitc and name the service oink | [17:23] |
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thestringpuller | oink like the bittorrent tracker? | [17:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 11 @ 0.39 = 4.29 BTC [+] | [17:25] |
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mircea_popescu | bitcoink the bitc whatever | [17:25] |
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thestringpuller | ;;asks | [17:27] |
gribble | (asks [--over]
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mircea_popescu | deadweasel 4. Use multiple bets to get more of the wiinings 'weight' << hiow;s that work ? | [17:27] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.774 BTC [+] | [17:28] |
deadweasel | seconds] | [17:29] |
deadweasel | 10:24:44 < thestringpuller> oink like the bittorrent tracker? | [17:29] |
deadweasel | i figure multiple bets each get a chunck of weight, so if you split up, maybe get more weight? | [17:29] |
jurov | nope | [17:30] |
jurov | betting 4BTC at is the same result as 4 bets 1 btc each, all weights equal | [17:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.15789 BTC [+] | [17:30] |
mircea_popescu | yeah. | [17:30] |
deadweasel | oh | [17:31] |
mircea_popescu | otherwise wtf | [17:31] |
deadweasel | fixed | [17:31] |
deadweasel | lol, i made that up in my brain. | [17:31] |
deadweasel | stupid brain | [17:31] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01998 BTC [+] | [17:32] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [SYNERGY] 1 @ 0.01999 BTC [+] | [17:33] |
kakobrekla | Keefe keith_hanson knotwork KRS-1 KRS1 | [17:33] |
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jurov | deadweasel: you're deadweasley or that's somebody else? | [17:35] |
deadweasel | that me, left my vpn on yesterday, had to use web irc at work cos no ssh | [17:36] |
jurov | weren't you hired to do something else? xD | [17:37] |
deadweasel | i'm considering in for my weekend project. | [17:37] |
deadweasel | in / it | [17:37] |
jurov | okay :D | [17:37] |
MJR_ | mircea_popescu: i want to build something like this for your options...there are so many strike prices right now http://imgur.com/zYFS8Pv | [17:40] |
MJR_ | like as a front end i mean | [17:40] |
mircea_popescu | so go ahead | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | smickles was working on something similar | [17:41] |
MJR_ | you only support polling currently right? | [17:41] |
MJR_ | no data stream? | [17:41] |
mircea_popescu | there's a websocket for trades and tyou can also get the twitter whatever that is | [17:42] |
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mircea_popescu | high: 139.90 low: 135.12 | [17:43] |
mircea_popescu | ahh this is so beautiful | [17:43] |
thestringpuller | IKNORITE | [17:43] |
thestringpuller | high five mircea_popescu | [17:43] |
denialdenial | i have some pretty rad ideas for an options/gui type interface | [17:43] |
thestringpuller | o/ | [17:43] |
denialdenial | can't share | [17:44] |
thestringpuller | (dont leave me hanging) | [17:44] |
denialdenial | hush hush | [17:44] |
denialdenial | ijs | [17:44] |
denialdenial | errybody got projects going | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | .|. | [17:44] |
mircea_popescu | like that ? | [17:44] |
thestringpuller | yah | [17:44] |
thestringpuller | :D | [17:44] |
MJR_ | denialdenial: what do you think of this http://imgur.com/zYFS8Pv | [17:45] |
thestringpuller | denialdenial: are you related to danieldaniel | [17:46] |
thestringpuller | ;;identify denialdenial | [17:46] |
gribble | Error: That operation cannot be done in a channel. | [17:46] |
thestringpuller | ;;ident denialdenial | [17:46] |
gribble | Nick 'denialdenial', with hostmask 'denialdenial!~jcpham@unaffiliated/jcpham', is identified as user jcpham, with GPG key id C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, key fingerprint F7299BD73879E866613EAB24C71FB5ED6ACE04AF, and bitcoin address 16zaKwZC6n9BMipwLbewYGn8NXEgmN2f3Y | [17:46] |
denialdenial | derp | [17:46] |
thestringpuller | ;;ident danieldaniel | [17:46] |
gribble | Error: I am not seeing this user on IRC. If you want information about a registered gpg user, try the 'gpg info' command instead. | [17:46] |
thestringpuller | ;;getrating danieldaniel | [17:46] |
gribble | WARNING: Currently not authenticated. User danieldaniel, rated since Wed Jul 13 18:27:02 2011. Cumulative rating 148, from 111 total ratings. Received ratings: 108 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 98 positive, 9 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=danieldaniel | [17:46] |
denialdenial | why you checking dansqaures ratings | [17:47] |
denialdenial | i'm not him | [17:47] |
denialdenial | he's 12 | [17:47] |
thestringpuller | are you 12? | [17:47] |
denialdenial | almost | [17:47] |
denialdenial | very soon. | [17:47] |
thestringpuller | ;;getrating denialdenial | [17:48] |
gribble | This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated. | [17:48] |
jurov | are you gay? | [17:48] |
denialdenial | almost | [17:48] |
denialdenial | very soon. | [17:48] |
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jurov | can i help you? | [17:48] |
denialdenial | ;;getrating [ident denialdenial] | [17:48] |
gribble | Currently authenticated from hostmask denialdenial!~jcpham@unaffiliated/jcpham . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. User jcpham, rated since Fri Nov 11 10:35:04 2011. Cumulative rating 102, from 73 total ratings. Received ratings: 70 positive, 3 negative. Sent ratings: 74 positive, 5 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=jcpham | [17:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00070681 = 9.4006 BTC [-] | [17:48] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m s.dice | [17:49] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00313722 / 0.0033218 / 0.00333333 (8140 shares, 27.04 BTC), 7D: 0.0031 / 0.00326054 / 0.00439992 (540907 shares, 1,763.65 BTC), 30D: 0.0031 / 0.00373031 / 0.006 (1695348 shares, 6,324.18 BTC) | [17:49] |
thestringpuller | that will skyrocket as soon as divs are paid | [17:49] |
thestringpuller | jeeze | [17:49] |
denialdenial | check that next to the last rating | [17:49] |
denialdenial | hilarity | [17:49] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: what exactly did erik say? | [17:50] |
mircea_popescu | that he's moved and getting things together. | [17:50] |
thestringpuller | oh is he moving satoshi dice physically? | [17:51] |
troc | is there a public record of that ? | [17:51] |
thestringpuller | he flew to ireland? | [17:51] |
MJR_ | sdice is in ireland | [17:51] |
MJR_ | he moved himself physically :) | [17:51] |
thestringpuller | oh to a bigger penthouse in new york | [17:51] |
MJR_ | no, out of US | [17:51] |
mircea_popescu | nah out of the us | [17:51] |
MJR_ | USSA | [17:51] |
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thestringpuller | does he still work for bitinstant? | [17:52] |
mircea_popescu | lol jurov you help prepubescent prefags grow into the fold ? | [17:52] |
MJR_ | not really | [17:52] |
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MJR_ | they had to split coinapult off of that, i believe, but I don't know all the details | [17:52] |
thestringpuller | oh wow | [17:52] |
jurov | yea. but only bottoms. | [17:52] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00333333 = 3.3333 BTC [+] | [17:55] |
MJR_ | thestringpuller: thats the funny thing is that the share price goes up AFTER the dividends | [17:55] |
thestringpuller | best time to buy | [17:57] |
thestringpuller | slightly above original ipo tier 2 price | [17:57] |
thestringpuller | ;;seen Bugpowder | [17:58] |
gribble | Bugpowder was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 hours, 26 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00069564 = 4.313 BTC [-] | [17:58] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 360 @ 0.00333333 = 1.2 BTC [+] | [17:58] |
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bgupta | ;;ticker | [18:11] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 136.84000, Best ask: 136.99999, Bid-ask spread: 0.15999, Last trade: 136.99999, 24 hour volume: 60351.15215987, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 139.89998, 24 hour vwap: 134.65262 | [18:11] |
troc | ;;bids 0 | [18:11] |
gribble | There are currently 31166637 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11949599.5809 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0106 seconds | [18:11] |
ChaangNo_ | ;;bids 0 | [18:12] |
gribble | There are currently 31166637 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11949599.5809 USD in total. | Data vintage: 67.6056 seconds | [18:12] |
ChaangNo_ | almost 12 million | [18:12] |
ChaangNo_ | weekend rocket? :) | [18:12] |
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deadweasel | ;;ticker | [18:14] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.29312, Best ask: 137.71069, Bid-ask spread: 0.41757, Last trade: 137.98994, 24 hour volume: 60258.80277878, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 139.89998, 24 hour vwap: 134.65657 | [18:14] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9604 @ 0.0007033 = 6.7545 BTC [+] | [18:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4031 @ 0.00070686 = 2.8494 BTC [+] | [18:18] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9965 @ 0.00070706 = 7.0459 BTC [+] | [18:18] |
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error4733 | ;;ticker | [18:28] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 138.00002, Best ask: 138.15557, Bid-ask spread: 0.15555, Last trade: 138.00002, 24 hour volume: 60159.81680270, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 139.89998, 24 hour vwap: 134.66702 | [18:28] |
error4733 | !ticker m s.dice | [18:28] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00313722 / 0.00332345 / 0.00333333 (9500 shares, 31.57 BTC), 7D: 0.0031 / 0.00326072 / 0.00439992 (542267 shares, 1,768.18 BTC), 30D: 0.0031 / 0.00372916 / 0.006 (1693319 shares, 6,314.67 BTC) | [18:28] |
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MJR_ | ;;bc,24hprc | [18:34] |
gribble | 134.34 | [18:34] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.360123 BTC [-] | [18:36] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.93 BTC [+] | [18:38] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.743 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.742 = 5.194 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.741 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.74 BTC [-] | [18:40] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.769 BTC [+] | [18:42] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+] | [18:42] |
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AndroUser | ;;ticker | [18:44] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 138.00000, Best ask: 138.25000, Bid-ask spread: 0.25000, Last trade: 138.00000, 24 hour volume: 60135.66333421, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 139.89998, 24 hour vwap: 134.68006 | [18:44] |
troc | ;;bids 0 | [18:44] |
gribble | There are currently 31166837 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12022834.3331 USD in total. | Data vintage: 4.7549 seconds | [18:44] |
AndroUser | Pleasantly surprised we're staying so high in price | [18:45] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 1 @ 0.1722 BTC [-] | [18:48] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3581 = 0.7162 BTC [-] | [18:57] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 2 @ 0.1025 = 0.205 BTC [+] | [18:59] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 18 @ 0.1026 = 1.8468 BTC [+] | [18:59] |
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deadweasel | how does get invited to #bitcoin-security? | [19:06] |
deadweasel | *one | [19:06] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 14 @ 0.36 = 5.04 BTC [+] | [19:06] |
topace|2 | if you have to ask, you cant be invited | [19:08] |
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deadweasel | i figured | [19:08] |
topace|2 | hehe | [19:08] |
topace|2 | honestly i have no clue | [19:08] |
topace|2 | it just seemed to make sense | [19:09] |
topace|2 | like.. maybe you have to hack your way in? | [19:09] |
deadweasel | probably | [19:09] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [19:09] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 137.99985, Best ask: 138.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.00015, Last trade: 138.00000, 24 hour volume: 59900.23588376, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 139.89998, 24 hour vwap: 134.71313 | [19:09] |
mircea_popescu | there is no bitcoin security. | [19:09] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;seen namworld | [19:09] |
gribble | namworld was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 16 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: |
[19:09] |
ivan``` | hi | [19:10] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00333333 = 2 BTC [+] | [19:10] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3581 BTC [-] | [19:10] |
jcpham | * Channel #bitcoin-security? modes: +ns | [19:11] |
jcpham | * jcpham sets mode +t #bitcoin-security? | [19:11] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.17 BTC [+] | [19:11] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1.185 = 3.555 BTC [+] | [19:11] |
thestringpuller | !ticker h him | [19:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.91900000 / 1.9212 / 1.93000000 (5 shares, 9.60600000 BTC), 7D: 1.87000000 / 1.98256408 / 2.08000000 (103 shares, 204.20409996 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.81345201 / 2.08000000 (719 shares, 1303.87199240 BTC) | [19:12] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.3581 = 1.7905 BTC [-] | [19:12] |
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assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 1 @ 1.185 BTC [+] | [19:15] |
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deadweasel | topace|2: it's for discussing exploits not in the wild.. yet | [19:16] |
deadweasel | https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Common_Vulnerabilities_and_Exposures | [19:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3501 BTC [-] | [19:17] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m ^OIx | [19:18] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 93.3570601 / 108.2470225 / 135.80742037 (19613 shares, 8,037.73 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [19:18] |
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ThickAsThieves | I'm surprised there isnt a BitBet "MtGox will make Litecoin available for trading with BTC and USD" | [19:22] |
ThickAsThieves | so i submitted one | [19:22] |
Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [19:22] |
gribble | There are currently 31167170 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 12081001.5474 USD in total. | Data vintage: 17.1370 seconds | [19:22] |
ThickAsThieves | ! | [19:22] |
Bugpowder | up up and away! | [19:22] |
ThickAsThieves | http://www.sierrachart.com/image.php?l=1365178675195.png | [19:23] |
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ThickAsThieves | 139 | [19:27] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2424 @ 0.0033 = 7.9992 BTC [-] | [19:28] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3391 @ 0.00324997 = 11.0206 BTC [-] | [19:28] |
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ThickAsThieves | $avg | [19:30] |
mpexbot | ThickAsThieves: 134.44 | [19:30] |
bgupta | ;;goxlog | [19:44] |
gribble | Error: "goxlog" is not a valid command. | [19:44] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [19:44] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 1.069233 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00214273096027 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). | [19:45] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [19:47] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 103.696989 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.207807604907 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU). | [19:47] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [19:52] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 6.830921 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0136890892012 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from Jupiter to its second largest moon, Callisto (0.012567 AU). | [19:52] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;goxlag | [19:53] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 31.669719 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0634657622842 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one week (0.0689 AU). | [19:53] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [19:53] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.50002, Best ask: 139.88000, Bid-ask spread: 0.37998, Last trade: 139.50002, 24 hour volume: 62471.48988893, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 135.01616 | [19:53] |
bgupta | dlaiming ddos in #mtgox | [19:53] |
ThickAsThieves | suuuure. | [19:53] |
bgupta | well volume isn't that high.. it's not like there trade engine should be melting down | [19:53] |
bgupta | I executed a buy | [19:54] |
bgupta | it went through right away | [19:54] |
MJR_ | i was wondering about that | [19:54] |
MJR_ | "volume" means number of coins | [19:54] |
MJR_ | is there any reporting of number of transactions? | [19:54] |
bgupta | I beli that there is a DDOS going on. | [19:54] |
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MJR_ | you can do 10,000 transactions for one coin | [19:54] |
MJR_ | at least | [19:54] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;goxlag | [19:55] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 12.045338 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0241387224857 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU). | [19:55] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [19:55] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 139.92000, Best ask: 139.98000, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 139.92000, 24 hour volume: 63174.54465026, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 140.00000, 24 hour vwap: 135.07365 | [19:55] |
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bgupta | well my transacaction went trough immediately | [19:55] |
ThickAsThieves | so a 10-minute ddos? | [19:55] |
ThickAsThieves | only when price peaks? | [19:55] |
bgupta | seems that it continues until price breaks | [19:55] |
MJR_ | well, i can send one order for 10,oo0 coins...that isn't a lot of "Volume" | [19:56] |
bgupta | people kinda know what's going on now, so I'm not sure we'll see the same tanking | [19:56] |
MJR_ | in other words, their lag is not related to number of coins, but rather to number of orders | [19:56] |
MJR_ | so is their a measurement of number of orders? | [19:56] |
ThickAsThieves | doubtful | [19:57] |
bgupta | No I think the lag is realted to a ddos that's happening | [19:57] |
MJR_ | either way | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | especially since you can make soft orders | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | that dont even show | [19:57] |
bgupta | soft orders? | [19:57] |
MJR_ | they are unfunded and don't hit the books till funds arrive | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | you can have as many bids as you want | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | past your USD | [19:57] |
bgupta | oh yeah.. | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | they only list the ones that are funded | [19:57] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.34758 BTC [-] | [19:57] |
ThickAsThieves | but others trigger dynamically | [19:57] |
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ThickAsThieves | some think that is the cause of lag | [19:58] |
ThickAsThieves | i make 10000 orders at minimum price | [19:58] |
ThickAsThieves | every tme one fills, all orders need to be adjusted | [19:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.345 BTC [-] | [19:58] |
MJR_ | ThickAsThieves: so you are the cause of goxlag? | [20:01] |
bgupta | ;;ticker | [20:01] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.25622, Best ask: 140.30000, Bid-ask spread: 0.04378, Last trade: 140.30000, 24 hour volume: 63655.09673072, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 140.25622, 24 hour vwap: 135.11602 | [20:01] |
bgupta | interesting we are above 140 | [20:01] |
bgupta | if you hard refres clarkmoody you get updated numbers, but no live updates | [20:02] |
ThickAsThieves | I am not | [20:03] |
ThickAsThieves | i dont have time for that shit | [20:03] |
MJR_ | 164 strike price options FTW | [20:03] |
ThickAsThieves | if i was buying tons of btc i might do that though | [20:03] |
MJR_ | also, why use clarkmoody now that bitcoinity.org is available? | [20:05] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [20:05] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 0.845698 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00169476932309 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). | [20:05] |
ThickAsThieves | clarkmoody shows better livebooks... usually | [20:05] |
bgupta | clarkmody is working again | [20:05] |
ThickAsThieves | unless i'm missing somehting about bitcoinity | [20:05] |
MJR_ | ah yes | [20:05] |
Bugpowder | They are complementary | [20:05] |
MJR_ | it does have live book...bitcoinity only has ticker | [20:05] |
bgupta | sockets are working | [20:05] |
Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [20:06] |
gribble | There are currently 31152031 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11785518.8965 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0105 seconds | [20:06] |
bgupta | ;;asks 1000000 | [20:06] |
gribble | There are currently 56435.086 bitcoins offered at or under 1000000.0 USD, worth 120082663.339 USD in total. | Data vintage: 18.3401 seconds | [20:06] |
ThickAsThieves | number of coins for sale hasnt changed much this week | [20:06] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 20 @ 0.09 = 1.8 BTC [-] | [20:06] |
bgupta | It's gone down a bit was low 60s earlier | [20:07] |
Bugpowder | I think we are going to challenge 150 today. | [20:07] |
ThickAsThieves | really? | [20:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 10 @ 0.39 = 3.9 BTC [+] | [20:07] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [PAJKA.BOND] 1 @ 0.1005 BTC [+] | [20:07] |
bgupta | a couple small walls to get through though.. | [20:07] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;asks 149.94 | [20:08] |
gribble | There are currently 14148.485 bitcoins offered at or under 149.94 USD, worth 2058006.08163 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0019 seconds | [20:08] |
bgupta | but the buy depth looks like a tidal wave. | [20:08] |
bgupta | "small" being "actually not that small" | [20:08] |
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Bugpowder | yeah. The bid depth is up over 2 million from yesterday | [20:09] |
Bugpowder | that's probably new money looking to buy | [20:09] |
Bugpowder | could take us right up to the wall | [20:09] |
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bgupta | looks like it's going up.. | [20:11] |
bgupta | buy flors keep getting thrown up | [20:12] |
Bugpowder | yah. | [20:12] |
Bugpowder | Maybe no dip this weekend too. We already had the correction | [20:12] |
bgupta | no real ceiling for a couple bucks | [20:12] |
Bugpowder | oh my, another shift of a wall forward | [20:13] |
Bugpowder | ;;bids 0 | [20:13] |
gribble | There are currently 31152051 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11589246.0017 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0255 seconds | [20:13] |
jurov | vircurex completely wiped from face of earth | [20:15] |
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kakobrekla | jurov? | [20:15] |
bgupta | vitcure? reently? | [20:15] |
bgupta | recently? | [20:16] |
jurov | kakobrekla? | [20:16] |
bgupta | Or ddos | [20:16] |
kakobrekla | whats with the curex | [20:16] |
jurov | i don't know. ping says Time to live exceeded | [20:18] |
bgupta | ;;goxlag | [20:20] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 1.152629 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.00230985561052 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin across the outer diameter of Saturn's rings (0.0024 AU). | [20:20] |
bgupta | ;;tiker | [20:20] |
gribble | Error: "tiker" is not a valid command. | [20:20] |
error4733 | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aiec3-Eo_yO5dHB2dVdiaEltUHAtTWlBcFhXQVBYeGc#gid=12 | [20:20] |
bgupta | ;;ticker | [20:20] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 140.00001, Best ask: 140.10000, Bid-ask spread: 0.09999, Last trade: 140.00001, 24 hour volume: 60788.31684229, 24 hour low: 128.00100, 24 hour high: 140.75000, 24 hour vwap: 135.69764 | [20:20] |
TomServo | there is a routing loop in the path to vircurex.com | [20:21] |
TomServo | could be DDOS related | [20:21] |
ThickAsThieves | https://twitter.com/Vircurex/status/320224745402544128 | [20:22] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4869 @ 0.00069564 = 3.3871 BTC [-] | [20:27] |
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error4733 | please erik, why, why publish a half report ? | [20:29] |
ThickAsThieves | there's a report? | [20:32] |
troc | tabs on bottom of spreadsheet ? | [20:32] |
error4733 | 19:20 | [20:32] |
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error4733 | but it's like a clear copy of feb, he start to fill it | [20:33] |
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ThickAsThieves | maybe you are watching him work | [20:35] |
ThickAsThieves | its not like he announced an update | [20:35] |
error4733 | yes, done | [20:36] |
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error4733 | net profit 890... | [20:36] |
error4733 | 0.00000890 | [20:38] |
Bugpowde_ | Sdice? | [20:38] |
error4733 | yep | [20:38] |
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Bugpowde_ | 150 is going down. I know it | [20:40] |
error4733 | monday ? | [20:42] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.3410002 = 1.023 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.34100001 = 2.046 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.341 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 12 @ 0.3401 = 4.0812 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 6 @ 0.3400001 = 2.04 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3400001 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.34 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 11 @ 0.34 = 3.74 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 20 @ 0.34 = 6.8 BTC [-] | [20:43] |
ThickAsThieves | sell that sdice people! | [20:44] |
Bugpowde_ | Today | [20:44] |
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deadweasel | i'll pick some more up. | [20:44] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 100 @ 0.4448 = 44.48 BTC [-] | [20:44] |
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error4733 | cmon it's friday, time to drink | [20:47] |
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error4733 | not to score btc | [20:47] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.76897 = 5.3828 BTC [-] | [20:48] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 1 @ 1.93 BTC [+] | [20:48] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 2000 @ 0.00329642 = 6.5928 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
ThickAsThieves | 142 | [20:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.76898 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
Bugpowdurr | NEXT! | [20:49] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 7 @ 0.76899 = 5.3829 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
ThickAsThieves | 143 | [20:49] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 2 @ 1.185 = 2.37 BTC [+] | [20:49] |
Bugpowdurr | I love clarkmoddy for the dings | [20:50] |
ThickAsThieves | get ready for lag fest! | [20:50] |
error4733 | ;;ticker | [20:50] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 141.80000, Best ask: 141.85000, Bid-ask spread: 0.05000, Last trade: 141.80000, 24 hour volume: 60924.16404900, 24 hour low: 129.00100, 24 hour high: 141.89000, 24 hour vwap: 136.18292 | [20:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 4 @ 0.769 = 3.076 BTC [+] | [20:50] |
error4733 | ;;goxlax | [20:50] |
Bugpowdurr | 144 | [20:50] |
gribble | Error: "goxlax" is not a valid command. | [20:50] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 6 @ 0.77 = 4.62 BTC [+] | [20:50] |
error4733 | ;;goxlag | [20:50] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 112.267925 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.224983664686 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin between Earth and Venus at their closest approach (0.254 AU). | [20:50] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4448 = 0.8896 BTC [-] | [20:50] |
Bugpowdurr | ;;calc 3448*143 | [20:50] |
gribble | 493064 | [20:50] |
Bugpowdurr | $500,000 buy order | [20:51] |
error4733 | 500k$ BAM | [20:51] |
Bugpowdurr | ha | [20:51] |
Bugpowdurr | and the buy wall at 141.6 is still there | [20:51] |
Bugpowdurr | ;;bids 0 | [20:52] |
gribble | There are currently 31143382 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11579625.3003 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0114 seconds | [20:52] |
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ThickAsThieves | oh where oh where will we land after lad? nobody knows | [20:53] |
ThickAsThieves | lag* | [20:53] |
benkay | ;;goxlag | [20:53] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 196.769549 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.394323973054 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin from the Sun to Mercury (0.39 AU). | [20:53] |
benkay | dear lord | [20:53] |
deadweasel | i think gox does need ;;goxlax | [20:55] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [20:55] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm beginning to believe this soft order thing really is the problemn | [20:55] |
ThickAsThieves | it only lags when there are lots of orders in one direction | [20:56] |
ThickAsThieves | thats not ddos | [20:56] |
Bugpowdurr | it lags when a big order goes off and cleans out a big set of standing orders | [20:56] |
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mod6 | sup | [20:59] |
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ThickAsThieves | Ola, Erik. | [21:00] |
evoorhees | hola senior | [21:01] |
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ThickAsThieves | what wonderful sdice updates do you bring us today? | [21:01] |
error4733 | poker ? | [21:01] |
ThickAsThieves | in the rear | [21:02] |
pizzaman1337 | evoorhees: how's that bitinstant debit card going? | [21:02] |
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evoorhees | oy vey | [21:03] |
jcpham | oh my god wow | [21:03] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;goxlag | [21:04] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 46.315103 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0928149478423 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Saturn and Titan (0.0802 AU). | [21:04] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;tixker | [21:04] |
gribble | Error: "tixker" is not a valid command. | [21:04] |
Bugpowdurr | ;;bids 0 | [21:04] |
jcpham | http://youtu.be/51GZ5hg_ZHk | [21:04] |
gribble | There are currently 31144502 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11685628.9433 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0148 seconds | [21:04] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [21:04] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 142.10100, Best ask: 143.98000, Bid-ask spread: 1.87900, Last trade: 142.10100, 24 hour volume: 60924.16404900, 24 hour low: 129.00100, 24 hour high: 141.89000, 24 hour vwap: 136.18292 | [21:04] |
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jcpham | oy vey, holy cow, oh my god, wow | [21:04] |
jcpham | they say i'm gettin fresher every time i turn around | [21:04] |
jcpham | day in, and day out, we trying to get this paper | [21:05] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] [PAID] 445.0881225 BTC to 50`000`000 shares, 890 satoshi per share | [21:08] |
ThickAsThieves | don't spend it all in one place! | [21:08] |
evoorhees | s.dice div paid | [21:09] |
evoorhees | oh bot beat me to it :) | [21:09] |
mod6 | nice | [21:09] |
evoorhees | my apologies for the low performing month, the 1920 btc jackpot really put a damper on things | [21:09] |
mod6 | well, jackpots are part of the game! and keeps interest high. | [21:11] |
deadweasel | it's gambling. i'll take the opportunity to buy more sdice. ;) | [21:11] |
ThickAsThieves | will ther ebe any adjustments to min/max bids going forward? | [21:12] |
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ThickAsThieves | to deal with BTC rising value | [21:12] |
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[\] | ;;ident evoorhees | [21:13] |
gribble | Nick 'evoorhees', with hostmask 'evoorhees!~evoorhees@200.108.54.73', is not identified. | [21:13] |
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evoorhees | ThickAsThieves - yes probably | [21:13] |
evoorhees | has this been a matter of contention? | [21:13] |
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ThickAsThieves | only in my own head | [21:14] |
evoorhees | hehe | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | just seems logical | [21:14] |
[\] | increasing the max bid? | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | any new features coming soon? | [21:14] |
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kakobrekla | withdrawals will be depricated | [21:14] |
ThickAsThieves | feel free to tell me to 'wait for the damn update on forums plz" | [21:15] |
[\] | ThickAsThieves: wait for the damn update on forums plz | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | not you | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | :P | [21:15] |
[\] | you didn't specify | [21:15] |
ThickAsThieves | okay you can tell me too | [21:15] |
[\] | yay | [21:15] |
[\] | but since I've already told you, I'm done. | [21:16] |
evoorhees | I'll provide a good update in about 2 weeks I think | [21:16] |
[\] | 2 weeks?!? | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | but but | [21:16] |
evoorhees | yep | [21:16] |
[\] | is that a bfl 2 weeks? | [21:16] |
ThickAsThieves | hehe | [21:17] |
evoorhees | lol | [21:17] |
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ThickAsThieves | nice Panamanian IP | [21:17] |
evoorhees | thanks | [21:17] |
evoorhees | I'm officially a non US resident | [21:17] |
evoorhees | thank god | [21:17] |
ThickAsThieves | jealous | [21:17] |
[\] | aww | [21:17] |
[\] | how are you gonna be jailed now? | [21:17] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 63 @ 0.3391 = 21.3633 BTC [-] | [21:17] |
[\] | you take all the fun out of it | [21:18] |
error4733 | well done, just in time ! | [21:18] |
evoorhees | just in time for what? | [21:18] |
benkay | the eternally impending us crackdown ;) | [21:18] |
ThickAsThieves | a hot summer | [21:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.32 = 3.2 BTC [-] | [21:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.32 = 3.2 BTC [-] | [21:18] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 8 @ 0.3191 = 2.5528 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.31900001 = 0.957 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.3161 = 0.6322 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.31600001 = 3.16 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 35 @ 0.3155 = 11.0425 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 122 @ 0.315 = 38.43 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
ThickAsThieves | havelock no like sdice divs | [21:19] |
evoorhees | I imagine any "US crackdown" will be in 3-5 years and will be broad and epic | [21:19] |
evoorhees | but for now, bitcoin just got legal status | [21:19] |
evoorhees | I don't think the gov has any intention of a crackdown just yet | [21:19] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.315 = 0.63 BTC [-] | [21:19] |
error4733 | no but more easy for you outside US to deal with large sum of gambling income | [21:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.3 = 0.9 BTC [-] | [21:20] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 4 @ 0.3 = 1.2 BTC [-] | [21:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 30 @ 0.3 = 9 BTC [-] | [21:21] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.3 BTC [-] | [21:22] |
ThickAsThieves | what income, just mario coins | [21:22] |
error4733 | 3/5 years, a long long way !! | [21:22] |
error4733 | haha, 100% true | [21:22] |
error4733 | for my "IRS" it's like WoW gold | [21:22] |
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evoorhees | hi | [21:26] |
ThickAsThieves | hi | [21:26] |
evoorhees | that's private, but my IP shows panama ;) | [21:27] |
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ThickAsThieves | $1.40 is unaffordable! | [21:28] |
evoorhees | I agree | [21:29] |
evoorhees | I'll change it soon | [21:30] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [S.DICE-PT] 20 @ 0.00439 = 0.0878 BTC [+] | [21:31] |
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bitesak | ;;ticker | [21:34] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 142.91000, Best ask: 143.50000, Bid-ask spread: 0.59000, Last trade: 142.90000, 24 hour volume: 66234.91364395, 24 hour low: 130.24303, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 137.17646 | [21:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5700 @ 0.00069796 = 3.9784 BTC [+] | [21:35] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13750 @ 0.00070136 = 9.6437 BTC [+] | [21:36] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 350 @ 0.00070503 = 0.2468 BTC [+] | [21:36] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.77 BTC [+] | [21:41] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.779 BTC [+] | [21:42] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20950 @ 0.00070503 = 14.7704 BTC [+] | [21:48] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;bids 0 | [21:49] |
gribble | There are currently 31146741 bitcoins demanded at or over 0.0 USD, worth 11500405.32 USD in total. | Data vintage: 98.0569 seconds | [21:49] |
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ThickAsThieves | ;;market --buy 2500 | [21:49] |
gribble | A market order to buy 2500 bitcoins right now would take 361889.8503 USD and would take the last price up to 145.9200 USD, resulting in an average price of 144.7559 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 0.0002 seconds | [21:49] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;market --buy 3500 | [21:49] |
gribble | A market order to buy 3500 bitcoins right now would take 508025.3582 USD and would take the last price up to 146.9727 USD, resulting in an average price of 145.1501 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 7.8158 seconds | [21:49] |
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ThickAsThieves | i dont think we'll see 150 today | [21:50] |
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error4733 | ;;goxlag | [21:51] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 18.559306 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0371926414237 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Earth and Moon (0.0257 AU). | [21:51] |
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[\] | evoorhees, are there plans to release/sell more shares? | [21:55] |
Guest32733 | no | [21:55] |
Guest32733 | ack sorry, let me identify | [21:56] |
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evoorhees | here now | [21:56] |
evoorhees | no, no plans to release more shares | [21:56] |
[\] | so it should be pretty stable as to the float at this time | [21:56] |
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evoorhees | well that's up to the marketplace :) | [22:00] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6500 @ 0.00070706 = 4.5959 BTC [+] | [22:07] |
evoorhees | lol my net worth is nowhere near that | [22:09] |
evoorhees | give it another year maybe | [22:09] |
MJR_ | evoorhees: hey there! | [22:12] |
evoorhees | hi | [22:12] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.779 BTC [+] | [22:16] |
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jurov | coinbr users got paid from s.dice, too | [22:24] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.00349 = 3.49 BTC [-] | [22:26] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1000 @ 0.00349 = 3.49 BTC [-] | [22:27] |
pgp | friday selloff coming? | [22:27] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 420 @ 0.00349 = 1.4658 BTC [-] | [22:28] |
TomServo | ;;goxlag | [22:29] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 29.336976 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.0587909714308 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin approximately the distance covered by Voyager 1 in one week (0.0689 AU). | [22:30] |
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MJR_ | s.dice still turned a profit after that month | [22:31] |
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dub | looks like AM added some hashing | [22:33] |
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dub | up to 7Th on guld now | [22:33] |
dub | guild* | [22:33] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 30 @ 0.00349 = 0.1047 BTC [-] | [22:33] |
jurov | ;;bc,stats | [22:34] |
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gribble | Current Blocks: 229837 | Current Difficulty: 7672999.920164138 | Next Difficulty At Block: 231839 | Next Difficulty In: 2002 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 14 hours, 51 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 9604168.81893 | Estimated Percent Change: 25.16837 | [22:34] |
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dub | ;;nethash | [22:34] |
gribble | 54210.8599443 | [22:34] |
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dub | there they go 7,019.47 GH/s | [22:40] |
dub | climbing rapidly | [22:41] |
pgp | http://www.cnbc.com/id/100619555 | [22:43] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 15 @ 0.779 = 11.685 BTC [+] | [22:44] |
pgp | offshore bank accounts are so passe... | [22:44] |
pgp | time to move to bitcoins... | [22:44] |
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BUgpowder | This should be good for bitcoin... http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/292071-obama-budget-to-target-wealthy-iras | [22:45] |
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assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3394 @ 0.00313722 = 10.6477 BTC [-] | [22:47] |
assbot | [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.00313722 = 0.4706 BTC [-] | [22:47] |
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BUgpowder | wheeee | [22:55] |
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mircea_popescu | ah so sdice paid ? | [23:00] |
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pizzaman1337 | yep | [23:02] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.01301 BTC [+] | [23:02] |
mircea_popescu | [23:02] | |
ThickAsThieves | ;;ticker | [23:03] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 142.82500, Best ask: 143.86603, Bid-ask spread: 1.04103, Last trade: 143.86603, 24 hour volume: 69165.45857475, 24 hour low: 130.24303, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 137.79288 | [23:03] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;goxlag | [23:03] |
gribble | MtGox lag is 70.001993 seconds. During this time, light travels 0.140283210191 AU. You could have sent a bitcoin ten times between Jupiter and Callisto (0.12567 AU). | [23:03] |
ThickAsThieves | ;;assbotiloveyou | [23:03] |
gribble | Error: "assbotiloveyou" is not a valid command. | [23:03] |
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ThickAsThieves | i'd leave the US for the hell of it if my wife was down with it | [23:05] |
mircea_popescu | ThickAsThieves you don't have chains in the house ? | [23:05] |
ThickAsThieves | no sir | [23:05] |
ThickAsThieves | i'm not that type | [23:06] |
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ThickAsThieves | more of a live and let live kinda guy | [23:06] |
mircea_popescu | hey, me too! | [23:06] |
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jurov | (not rly) | [23:07] |
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assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.7799 BTC [+] | [23:07] |
MJR_ | so...in a deflationary currency, 0% interest is pretty good | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | mjr epsilon^ | [23:08] |
mircea_popescu | epsilon% i mean | [23:08] |
ThickAsThieves | i also havent pinpointed a specific place and argument for moving there either | [23:08] |
MJR_ | well, getting back the same exact amount you invested is a net win | [23:09] |
MJR_ | in purchasing power | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | "honey.... let's move to cancun, a lot of cheap sluts over there and they have bigger tits than you do" | [23:09] |
MJR_ | in S.DICE's case, you have a positive number | [23:09] |
ThickAsThieves | i have at least convinced here we need to get the hell out of Florida | [23:09] |
topace|2 | mircea_popescu: could you add the push date/time to the push receipt ? | [23:09] |
mircea_popescu | MJR_ this is true in principle. bitcoin inflation is still marked however. | [23:09] |
topace|2 | i have no way of knowing if this push request to havelock was before or after the sdice dividend | [23:10] |
ThickAsThieves | sneaky! | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | topace|2 well the idea is to allow the push-er this freedom | [23:10] |
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mircea_popescu | you can count it from the time he shows it to you | [23:10] |
ThickAsThieves | surely you can log your own push incoming requests no? | [23:10] |
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jurov | topace|2: the gpg signature contains time, no? | [23:10] |
topace|2 | ThickAsThieves: nope | [23:10] |
mircea_popescu | topace|2 you see a problem with that approach ? | [23:11] |
MJR_ | bitcoin is inflationary? on a net basis...i would say it is deflationary now (the goods available are increasing faster than the currency) | [23:11] |
topace|2 | yes, i have no idea if the dividend i received includes the dividend for the units that were pushed or not | [23:11] |
MJR_ | just a thought | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | well that you can resolve by math, no ? divide net by units ? | [23:11] |
mircea_popescu | MJR_ on a monetarist basis. further currency introduced at a fixed rate, about 10% annualised. | [23:12] |
topace|2 | sure for this one instance, i only have one pending push | [23:12] |
topace|2 | but what if i had like, 10 push requests pending | [23:12] |
topace|2 | how do i know which should receive the dividend, and which shouldnt | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | i see what you mean. | [23:12] |
topace|2 | aka, which i should approve the push for BEFORE the dividend is paid, and which i should wait to approve the push until after | [23:12] |
mircea_popescu | the thing here is that this sorta conflicts on a philosophical level, as in, i'd rather have tx's dated by parties than by central system. | [23:13] |
mircea_popescu | i'll have an argument over this topic again tho. | [23:13] |
jurov | topace|2: use extra account for pushes | [23:13] |
jurov | i'm fortunate to have one | [23:13] |
ThickAsThieves | does that mean coinbr to havelock pushes are coming soon? | [23:14] |
topace|2 | ThickAsThieves: its on our very long todo list | [23:14] |
jurov | not necessarily :) | [23:14] |
mircea_popescu | but as a prototype : "21:08 |
[23:14] |
mircea_popescu | all pushes you received after you count as after. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | is this a problem ? | [23:15] |
jurov | yes you "just" have to call stat every few seconds | [23:15] |
topace|2 | not a problem for me, but if someone makes the push before, but doesnt post it to havelock until after, then they completely miss out on the dividend | [23:15] |
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mircea_popescu | topace|2 that'd be their problem. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | btc and btc-derivatives are cif not fob. | [23:15] |
mircea_popescu | i think that outlook is crucial to allow us further development cheaper | [23:16] |
jurov | cheaper for mpex, yea | [23:16] |
mircea_popescu | cheaper for the developer. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | we do not have the resources to sustain a consumerist attitude on the users. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | let their government pay us to do that. | [23:17] |
mircea_popescu | just as soon as they figure out how. | [23:17] |
jurov | i just shrugged over it, write all balance changes to db and then resolve shit manually | [23:18] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: you slept with my banker | [23:18] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller i do a lot of sleeping with bankers | [23:18] |
thestringpuller | lol jkjk | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | but seriously, consider the converse approach : user is actually incentivised to time-attack the entire system | [23:19] |
topace|2 | mircea_popescu: pm | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | it will become possible if difficult to try and time it so he appears to deserve it both ways | [23:19] |
topace|2 | well ill just go with this for now, kinda in a rush to get out of here | [23:19] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m S.Dice | [23:19] |
assbot | [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00313722 / 0.00326249 / 0.00333333 (17108 shares, 55.81 BTC), 7D: 0.0031 / 0.00324529 / 0.00439992 (539474 shares, 1,750.75 BTC), 30D: 0.0031 / 0.00372533 / 0.006 (1704526 shares, 6,349.93 BTC) | [23:19] |
topace|2 | so ill just get this paid and worry about it later | [23:19] |
mircea_popescu | ;;calc 445.0881225 / 50 | [23:19] |
gribble | 8.90176245 | [23:19] |
thestringpuller | !ticker m ^oix | [23:20] |
assbot | [MPEX:^OIX] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 93.3570601 / 108.2470225 / 135.80742037 (19613 shares, 8,037.73 BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) | [23:20] |
thestringpuller | no new options have been bought? | [23:20] |
thestringpuller | is it like all calls? | [23:20] |
jurov | user is actually incentivised to time-attack the entire system << i don't get it? | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | 8`037.73 (35.1 / 64.9) i see | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | jurov if you go by the mpex issued timer, it would be (at least in theory) possible for the user to at least attempt | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | to make a push request so that the time on it shows he got in early to deserve dividends on PT | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | but also have already the dividends on MPEx | [23:21] |
mircea_popescu | we'd have to keep clock sync for isntance. | [23:22] |
jurov | O.o so i can't rely on the time?????? | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | you can rely on time for mpex. | [23:22] |
jurov | in the Dividend statjson part | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | can you rely on time for mpex matching havelock's server time ?! | [23:22] |
mircea_popescu | no two computers are on the same clock | [23:22] |
jurov | no i understood topace asking for a possibility to compare mpex-issued timestamps | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | o | [23:23] |
jurov | one from STAT, the other one from push receipt | [23:23] |
mircea_popescu | but his stat would necessarily be a little off the actual divtime | [23:23] |
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mircea_popescu | that interval would then be attackable. | [23:24] |
jurov | not STAT timestamp. the dividends timestamp written in stat | [23:24] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu: is that the call to put ratio? | [23:24] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller ye | [23:24] |
thestringpuller | whoa 64.9% puts?!?!?!? | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | jurov that may be workable | [23:25] |
thestringpuller | i am scared for the next 3/4th of the month | [23:25] |
mircea_popescu | which is why i say, i'll have this argued again | [23:25] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 9 @ 0.31 = 2.79 BTC [+] | [23:25] |
thestringpuller | !ticker h him | [23:26] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK:HIM] 1D: 1.91900000 / 1.92266667 / 1.93000000 (6 shares, 11.53600000 BTC), 7D: 1.87000000 / 1.98205865 / 2.08000000 (104 shares, 206.13409996 BTC), 30D: 1.41000000 / 1.81361388 / 2.08000000 (720 shares, 1305.80199240 BTC) | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | jurov you'd also prefer timestamp on push receipts ? | [23:26] |
jurov | no need to argue, if the push timestamp can be extracted from gpg signaature | [23:26] |
jurov | i think it is supported, hence no problem | [23:26] |
mircea_popescu | i don't recall that being a documented feature ;/ | [23:27] |
thestringpuller | you can get timestamps from gpg i think | [23:27] |
thestringpuller | tells you time signes | [23:27] |
thestringpuller | tells you time signed | [23:27] |
mircea_popescu | there's a difference between "you can get" and "developer assures you it's workable" | [23:27] |
jurov | gpg: Signature made Pi 5. apríl 2013, 21:17:58 CEST using DSA key ID CFE0F3E1 | [23:27] |
jurov | ^^^ just threw my recent DEPOSIT response into gpg | [23:28] |
mircea_popescu | yeh | [23:28] |
jurov | so the time is there | [23:28] |
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mircea_popescu | compare a stat's announced time with it's sigtime | [23:28] |
thestringpuller | mircea_popescu what is attackable though? i would think risk is on the pt ooerator not mpex | [23:29] |
assbot | [BTCTC] [ASICMINER-PT] 1 @ 0.78 BTC [+] | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | thestringpuller even so. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | the argument was "allows us to develop cheaper". | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | guy down the road being massacred is no consolation to me. | [23:29] |
thestringpuller | develop cheaper what? | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | everything. | [23:29] |
mircea_popescu | stuff like the pushing around. | [23:29] |
thestringpuller | but how so? to steal what? | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | get doubledivs. | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | ity's really the doublespend attack | [23:30] |
thestringpuller | from mpex?!? | [23:30] |
mircea_popescu | look. | [23:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.3008 = 3.008 BTC [-] | [23:30] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 90 @ 0.3 = 27 BTC [-] | [23:30] |
thestringpuller | explain like i am 4 | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | whenever there's three entities moving payments on the internet there's this classical well documented problem of the doublespend. | [23:31] |
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mircea_popescu | that you'll have to read up on. | [23:31] |
thestringpuller | i see | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | bitcoin solves it by the blockchain solution | [23:31] |
mircea_popescu | mpex solves it by the "fu, all times are construed to our best advantage" solution | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | this is way cheaper than 50TH/s | [23:32] |
mircea_popescu | also way faster than 10 minute blocks. | [23:32] |
jurov | the sigtime is same (down to seconds) as the one in stat | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | jurov i'm impressed. | [23:33] |
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mircea_popescu | $mpexlag | [23:33] |
mpexbot | mircea_popescu: 0.105636119843 seconds | [23:33] |
mircea_popescu | meh, then again it would be. | [23:33] |
taub | oo breakout soon | [23:33] |
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mircea_popescu | ;;ticker | [23:34] |
gribble | BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 143.90000, Best ask: 144.00000, Bid-ask spread: 0.10000, Last trade: 144.00000, 24 hour volume: 70257.63553139, 24 hour low: 130.24303, 24 hour high: 144.94000, 24 hour vwap: 138.22468 | [23:34] |
jurov | even if it would be a second or two apart, that is well inside requirement for this application | [23:34] |
mircea_popescu | i'd be worried if it's anything other than a second anyway | [23:35] |
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mircea_popescu | "Hey @jimcramer can we set up a time to chat about Bitcoin? If your not convinced, I'll give you 5 BTC for free #Bitcoin #BitInstant" | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | shremspells. | [23:36] |
mircea_popescu | "@maxkeiser 1h Despite state-orchestrated massive DDoS attacks on BTC exchanges this week; BTC inching up toward record high territory." jesus twitter is just like reddit | [23:38] |
jurov | aka ganjix getting invited to CNBC | [23:38] |
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benkay | stop arguing with proles, dude | [23:43] |
benkay | the proles* | [23:43] |
benkay | for a nominally epic top you sure do enjoy exposing yourself to mental anguish | [23:44] |
benkay | ;) | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | benkay max keiser is in particular a funny one. day before yest he was like, o, i predict, 300 dollars per btc. | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | i told him to stfu, he deleted that tweet, now he's | [23:44] |
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mircea_popescu | @maxkeiser 1h | [23:44] |
mircea_popescu | My trade idea earlier in week of parking a few $150 priced BTC in Silver is paying off nicely. | [23:44] |
pigeons | usagi got a twitter | [23:45] |
mircea_popescu | is he leveraging the synergy ? | [23:46] |
benkay | what does that mean, to park $150 priced BTC in silver? | [23:46] |
benkay | convert btc to silver holdings? | [23:47] |
jurov | bought usagis asset? | [23:47] |
mircea_popescu | benkay that retrospectively, he sold some btc. | [23:48] |
MJR_ | lol maxkeiser and shrem, i saw those on twitter | [23:48] |
MJR_ | i am shooting for squawkbox | [23:48] |
MJR_ | rather than cramer | [23:48] |
MJR_ | better traders in the early morning | [23:48] |
jurov | but rly, i'm looking forward to some high-profile blogger getting caught in nether parts of bitcoin "security" market | [23:49] |
MJR_ | cramer is for housewives etc | [23:49] |
benkay | can't really say as I understand the value in paying much attention to the newly minted chattering classes on twitter, especially w/r/t high finance | [23:49] |
benkay | don't know how much i care about people who buy and sell individual coins | [23:49] |
MJR_ | my philosophy is this | [23:49] |
mircea_popescu | benkay but it's funny. | [23:49] |
MJR_ | one million people buying one coin = one million coins on the buy side | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | o look, it broke through or what was it ? | [23:50] |
MJR_ | we have to enjoy this volatility while it lasts, it won't be here much longer i think | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | MJR_ one woman's arm = 2lbs of sweet caress. | [23:50] |
benkay | when i want funny, i go to the dog park and watch my dog hump other dogs | [23:50] |
mircea_popescu | 2mn fireants = 2lbs of pure pain | [23:50] |
MJR_ | mircea_popescu: good point | [23:51] |
benkay | it's doubly amusing because he's a pitbull and people get anxious | [23:51] |
MJR_ | not sure how it relates though... | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | nothing's more dangerous for a new issuance than a large number of clueless investors. | [23:51] |
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MJR_ | well...i think if those people actually are worried about losing the ~150 then they aren't who i'm talking about | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | it's like putting a seedling through a sandblaster. | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | MJR_ OF COURSE THEY ARE | [23:51] |
mircea_popescu | it;'s all they have | [23:51] |
MJR_ | i'm saying, "if you saw it on the news, if you are interested, just buy one and hold it a year at least" | [23:52] |
MJR_ | watch the ride, learn about it | [23:52] |
MJR_ | don't trade it, for the love of god | [23:52] |
MJR_ | just hold it | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | yea, because a. they listen and b. they even comprehend wtf the words you just say mean | [23:52] |
jcpham | i give away $150 to my friends | [23:52] |
jcpham | here, free money | [23:52] |
jcpham | they say thanks | [23:52] |
mircea_popescu | jcpham i only do that with women. | [23:52] |
benkay | you don't give things away, mp | [23:52] |
benkay | don't lie | [23:53] |
MJR_ | all i'm saying is that most of my friends could give two shits about 150 | [23:53] |
MJR_ | but they do enjoy being "part of the story" | [23:53] |
jcpham | all of the women i know are my wife's friends so i can't fuck them | [23:53] |
benkay | i know oyour qpq | [23:53] |
jcpham | so they get nothing! | [23:53] |
MJR_ | or being able to say "i was in that back when they were $150" | [23:53] |
benkay | you can't sleep with your friends wives? | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | benkay o yea ? https://twitter.com/Mircea_Popescu/status/320175664927997953 | [23:53] |
mircea_popescu | what nao benkay ? what nao ? hm ? HUM ? | [23:53] |
jcpham | working on it benkay | [23:53] |
jcpham | may have to trade in for a newer model | [23:53] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.2893 = 1.4465 BTC [-] | [23:53] |
benkay | mircea_popescu i see an exchange there | [23:53] |
benkay | mircea_popescu no gift | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | no, it's me giving shit away | [23:54] |
benkay | pretty sure your buying nudity | [23:54] |
benkay | you're | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | im not buying it. | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | i'm sponsoring it. | [23:54] |
benkay | hurr durr | [23:54] |
mircea_popescu | she's not bad lookin' either. | [23:54] |
benkay | you and i both know this is a dumb conversation, you gave me something of relatively significant value recently | [23:55] |
mircea_popescu | yeah lol, but why not continue something dumb into the ground :D | [23:55] |
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benkay | since when have we not :) | [23:55] |
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MJR_ | that IS how this became the best channel on free node | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | i was mostly trying to figure out if your mom told you. seems not. whew. | [23:56] |
benkay | for an aristocrat you really scrape the barrel | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | i'm one of those perverse aristrocrats. | [23:56] |
mircea_popescu | like the stupid guy in point-counterpoint | [23:56] |
benkay | do you read Unqualified Reservations? | [23:57] |
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mircea_popescu | ocasionally | [23:57] |
mircea_popescu | kinda served the guy, he never answered | [23:57] |
benkay | ooh, care to link? | [23:57] |
MJR_ | for some reason, my friend loves max keiser | [23:58] |
assbot | [HAVELOCK] [VTX] 2 @ 0.4448 = 0.8896 BTC [-] | [23:58] |
MJR_ | i think he may be trolling me | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ | [23:59] |
mircea_popescu | MJR_ nothing wrong with him as far as tv personalities go. | [23:59] |
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