Forum logs for 04 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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trinque phf: could amount to nothing, but that part's not much up to them [00:06]
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funkenstein_ Re: Method in Randomness <-- well I'd never heard of "deepdyve", where do they find gnomes to work on this kind of bullshit? They gave me 5 minutes to "view" the article (in crippled form) in exchange for a fake email. [00:23]
phf “Whoa! It's like Spotify but for academic articles.” [00:26]
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ag3nt_zer0 trinque: austin? [00:27]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: lived there for a time, yep. grew up in the Houston burbs [00:29]
phf i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. i mean, what is this, making your 50 years of scientific research hip? you know, for the kids. [00:30]
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asciilifeform << if i wanted to send money to copyrasts i know where to do it [00:36]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 02:57:05; pete_dushenski: << yours for $15 (pdf though) [00:36]
asciilifeform but i'd rather put it in a pyre, and light it [00:36]
asciilifeform and put on 'youtube.' [00:36]
ag3nt_zer0 any thoughts on this? [00:37]
assbot Renée Graham: Kim Davis follows the footsteps of George Wallace - The Boston Globe ... ( ) [00:37]
ag3nt_zer0 shitstorm? [00:37]
mircea_popescu i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. << heh. [00:37]
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funkenstein_ look it's like a paper shredder [00:38]
asciilifeform snorestorm. [00:38]
funkenstein_ [00:38]
assbot ... ( ) [00:38]
ag3nt_zer0 haha [00:38]
asciilifeform << all i see is old logz [00:40]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 02:54:44; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya [00:40]
asciilifeform and i laugh out loud re: pete_dushenski thinking that my stash of junk is 'capital goods'. all of it put together wouldn't buy an old car. [00:41]
asciilifeform it is 'capital goods' strictly in the sense that a beggar's shoes are. [00:41]
mircea_popescu can i buy it for the price of an old car ? :D [00:43]
asciilifeform l0l [00:43]
asciilifeform after i'm dead it will be sold per pound, prolly for much less than old car. [00:43]
asciilifeform if anyone even bothers. [00:44]
phf in other words over ascii's dead body [00:44]
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asciilifeform pete_dushenski: [00:46]
assbot What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [00:46]
funkenstein_ <-- ??? [00:46]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 23:18:36; fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax [00:46]
trinque did seem like it doesn't follow.. [00:49]
wilbns also, in kenya, for example bitcoin doesn't provide much utility beyond what m-pesa already does. the current area companies like bitpesa are trying to get traction are in remittances (where one party doesn't have m-pesa because they're outside the country), or by pitching it as a speculative financial instrument or novelty. [00:52]
asciilifeform kenyans need bitcoin like they need gunn diodes. [00:52]
funkenstein_ wilbns, uh.. just curious what do you think the point of public coin is? [00:53]
trinque asciilifeform: yeah, isn't that it doesn't provide utility, but not to *them* [00:54]
mats jesus the hp 16c goes for 200+ [00:55]
asciilifeform i got mine for around 200. [00:55]
wilbns funkenstein_: hey, sorry, i don't understand your question. [00:55]
asciilifeform mats: << manual. [00:56]
assbot HP-16C Computer Scientist Owner's Handbook : Hewlett-Packard : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( ) [00:56]
funkenstein_ i mean, if m-pesa already does everything we need, what's the point of using bitcoin? [00:56]
mircea_popescu not we. them. [00:56]
asciilifeform mats: read it before you buy, know what you're getting into. [00:57]
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mircea_popescu "While I agree that not everyone is bad, I'll suggest that the number of bad people involved in bitcoin so far exceeds the number of bad people in other organizations that the whole system isn't working. I'm starting to consider whether people were wrong about the "decentralization" issue. Is it possible that decentralization was tried, and it is being proven right now that it simply doesn't work because the system bec [06:55]
mircea_popescu omes centralized with evil people?" [06:55]
mircea_popescu this is so fucking cute. [06:55]
mircea_popescu << "passing aml/kyc" for dealing with money is like passing the astrology test to go to the hospital. yes some unfortunate souls stuck in retarded, abusive communities do that. [07:00]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 04:10:21; wilbns: it, you're talking about a minimum of 2-3 days to acquire the BTC, pass KYC/AML, etc. probably could have spent 20-30 minutes to just go to an m-pesa teller. [07:00]
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mircea_popescu << he gets it. i guess from experience. [07:03]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 04:47:52; mats: more expensive to enemy, and now you need four dudes to drag one asshole and all his gear at 2km/hr while in contact [07:03]
assbot Strategy for the antisocial struggle. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( ) [07:03]
mircea_popescu the way modern warfare works, you don't want planes and regular soldiers. you want missiles and partisans. and you don't aim to kill the enemy, you aim to maim as many as possible and encourage them to keep coming. the situation where US population is up 200mn and US war invalid population is up 50mn is a greater win for isis than the situation where the us population is 0. [07:05]
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mircea_popescu << not afair. [07:11]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs? [07:11]
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assbot Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( ) [08:02]
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mircea_popescu to everyone's surprise, usg is the main driver of all things the usg "fights against". [08:15]
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deedbot- [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) August 2015 Statement - [09:03]
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asciilifeform << why would you want to ? [10:36]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 05:48:38; phf: asciilifeform: you know if midnight commander has something like su or sudo vfs? [10:36]
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shinohai I thought mc switched you to a terminal and asked for pass when you input sudo commands. [10:42]
asciilifeform mc runs ~in~ a terminal [10:43]
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asciilifeform where you could have su'd prior [10:44]
asciilifeform ergo i see absolutely no reason for it to have a built-in su [10:44]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu et al: [10:44]
assbot XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( ) [10:44]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail [11:22]
gribble The operation succeeded. [11:22]
* asciilifeform had an interesting dream as he slept. dreamt that he had occasion, for some reason, to call the cops. they came, and instead of registering whatever complaint (something involving cars) began to fill up his house, room by room, until seemingly no more could fit, but continued to pack, pack, until walls began to crack under the sheer pressure of meat [11:33]
* asciilifeform had a tremendous house in this dream, with many spiral staircases, etc [11:34]
asciilifeform << ahahahahaha. they aren't 'kicked out' until 1) they haven't the option of returning, while 2) pharma-grade cocaine is sold for five cents on every street corner in santa cruz, and for export by the million tonnes [11:37]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 11:00:14; assbot: Cocaine Production Plummets After DEA Kicked Out of Bolivia | The Mind Unleashed ... ( ) [11:37]
asciilifeform usg is a planetary infestation, 'kicked out' is really a feeble and temporary thing. [11:42]
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asciilifeform usg 'expellas furca, tamen usque recurret' (tm) [11:44]
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phf su/sudo vfs would be handy for copying files between users without having to adjust permissions or escalate to superuser. one pane is user foo, other pane is user bar. doesn't matter if foo's pane is in 700 folder, and if you were to copy, file will be created as belonging to user bar, with his umask applied [12:45]
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funkenstein_ ;;google that's what happens when you call the cops [13:25]
gribble Call the Cops - Rob Hustle ft. Bump - YouTube: ; Anarchast Ep. 148 Rob Hustle: This is What Happens When You ...: ; This is what happens when you call the cops! - YouTube: [13:25]
funkenstein_ nice article thanks jurov. "I'll take Regulatory Capture for 400 millies, Alex" [13:31]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform lol i wouldn't be too worried about it. [13:36]
mircea_popescu there's no university free hitman service [13:37]
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mircea_popescu hearn being around makes me not even miss armandi or taaki all that much. [13:44]
mircea_popescu bitcoin gotta have a total lolcow at all times lest it collapses into itself. [13:44]
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ascii_field << interesting (requires graphical www browser) [14:11]
assbot Hive Plots ... ( ) [14:12]
ascii_field (source: ) [14:12]
assbot Gallery · mbostock/d3 Wiki · GitHub ... ( ) [14:12]
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ascii_field << 'wot' [14:13]
assbot Political Influence Data Visualization D3.js ... ( ) [14:13]
ascii_field << toy. [14:14]
assbot Koalas to the Max dot Com ... ( ) [14:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36600 @ 0.00072532 = 26.5467 BTC [+] {3} [14:15]
ascii_field << yet another 'wot' [14:16]
assbot Concept map ... ( ) [14:16]
ascii_field lastly, << lizardz! [14:18]
assbot ... ( ) [14:18]
BingoBoingo ascii_field mircea_popescu: [14:25]
assbot XT Node Blacklists Fail to Prevent DDoS Attack | Qntra ... ( ) [14:25]
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ben_vulpes why do we never discuss java? [14:28]
BingoBoingo Because Hearn discusses Java [14:28]
asciilifeform !up ascii_field [14:29]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: discuss, discuss [14:29]
jurov some ppl are allergic to it [14:30]
ben_vulpes so java has an asym library, does that shell out to gpg as well? [14:30]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: i don't know and don't care [14:30]
ascii_field i will not keep java on my systems. [14:30]
ascii_field and nobody can make me. [14:30]
ben_vulpes great, but why? [14:31]
ben_vulpes and who's making you keep python and perl on your systems? [14:31]
ascii_field because the entire ecosystem of it is a kind of zoo for idiots and their idiocies [14:31]
ascii_field make cobol look good [14:31]
ascii_field much less perl [14:31]
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funkenstein_ ben_vulpes, which java, which library? [14:32]
trinque I personally know I'll never have a clear picture of what the VM and the machine underneath are doing *while* writing a program [14:33]
trinque thing's huge [14:33]
ben_vulpes "fits in head" is a realistic goal with python, perl and cpp? [14:34]
funkenstein_ see "bedrock" [14:34]
trinque ben_vulpes: nah but they're smaller [14:34]
ben_vulpes (or ruby...) [14:35]
trinque cpp maybe not so much smaller [14:35]
BingoBoingo C can fit in head [14:35]
trinque ben_vulpes: and yes this whole thing runs into pragmatism vs pure science, no? [14:35]
funkenstein_ <-- nice story on a couple of levels [14:35]
assbot ¡AHH YAAA! Roban banco en La Castellana y se llevan solo impresoras - ... ( ) [14:35]
trinque ben_vulpes: python's probably riddled with holes everywhere somebody wrote a shoddy python c module [14:36]
funkenstein_ I always considered java to be like "C++ for dummies" [14:36]
trinque I'd expect Java is also fucked along that border, among other places [14:36]
ascii_field i will neither write nor read java. not even for money. [14:36]
ascii_field (strictly for weaponized exploitation - might) [14:36]
trinque the "native method interface" thing [14:36]
* ben_vulpes wonders what it must be like to feel so strongly about programming languages [14:37]
ascii_field actually it is less about languages and more about the people who used them. [14:37]
ben_vulpes "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines" [14:38]
funkenstein_ the language is the lexicon [14:38]
ascii_field the language, in this case, is not just a language but an ecosystem with unavoidable exposure to the work of many previous users [14:39]
trinque yeah I do get really scared when say leiningen pulls down five hundred java modules of questionable origin, when I've worked in Clojure in the past [14:40]
trinque dependency hell like when you install gnome, and get dildoctl shoved up your ass [14:40]
trinque there are probably many packages you could all but guarantee are in the vast majority of java projects [14:41]
ascii_field the real question is why should i even consider the matter. because i can't really see why i should not also consider flossing my teeth with barbed wire, if considering java. [14:41]
ascii_field they seem like equally meritorious ideas. [14:42]
ben_vulpes > dildoctl [14:42]
ascii_field >> more like 'keep that caked dog shit with plutonium shavings off my machines' [14:43]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 17:36:10; ben_vulpes: "i'll cut stainless, but you keep that piece of shit al off my machines" [14:43]
ben_vulpes how is python not barbed wire? [14:43]
ascii_field python is just plain piano wire [14:43]
ben_vulpes enough with the floppy metaphors! [14:43]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: let's get to the matter, if you would like to rewrite 'v' in sed and awk, go ahead. i was not equal to the task. [14:43]
ascii_field they are cleaner, more well-defined items than python, yes. [14:44]
ben_vulpes the 'dsl' so produced by their use is not in any sense legible, however. [14:44]
ascii_field aha. [14:44]
trinque bash olympics, which somehow reminds me of the BME olympics [14:44]
ben_vulpes two 'clean', 'well-defined' items whose use produces code that is illegible. [14:45]
ascii_field when i did it, at any rate. [14:46]
trinque python's fine; guy needs some tests is all [14:46]
ascii_field perhaps ben_vulpes can make it legible. [14:46]
trinque and then you could use the tests to rewrite later [14:46]
trinque ben_vulpes: I recommended testing! [14:46]
ascii_field trinque: no, ben_vulpes has a point, python sux [14:46]
ascii_field trinque: but i was unable to find a suitable replacement for this item. [14:46]
trinque I am painfully aware of teh suck of python [14:46]
trinque two options I see are ball o' bash or CL [14:47]
ascii_field perl was the only serious candidate, and if ben_vulpes would like to attempt a cleaner version (!) in it, i'm all ears. [14:47]
* funkenstein_ admits java was mother tongue, still finds himself translating in head from other languages [14:47]
ascii_field as for cl, a unix tool with multi-second startup times is not usable here. [14:47]
trinque yeah true [14:47]
trinque was thinking re: the DSL comment [14:47]
trinque I think python is a fair choice given the circumstances [14:48]
ascii_field [14:48]
assbot Logged on 25-04-2015 22:06:38; asciilifeform: to paraphrase mircea_popescu article, if christ saves in java - let me go straight to hell. [14:48]
ben_vulpes ascii_field: any changes i'd make would produce higher linecounts. [14:49]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: this is fine if you're adding a useful knob [14:49]
ascii_field e.g., file histories [14:50]
* ben_vulpes is not convinced that brevity is the be all and end all. [14:50]
ascii_field (display changes to particular file) [14:50]
ascii_field ben_vulpes: there are two kinds of brevity [14:50]
ascii_field one is perl-brevity, a false god [14:50]
ascii_field where one measures nonwhitespace characters strictly [14:50]
ascii_field the other kind is conceptual mass [14:50]
ascii_field which ~is~ the one true objective. [14:50]
ascii_field after correctness. [14:51]
trinque nothing particularly pisses me off about [14:51]
trinque looks like it's formatted like a guy who likes CL might [14:51]
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ascii_field speaking of, one useful knob would be sexpr output. [14:52]
trinque I don't use classes in python if I can avoid it, nor many other parts of the language [14:52]
ascii_field another would be graphviz output. [14:52]
deedbot- [Qntra] Many Network Appliances Leak Master TLS Private Keys Through "Forward Secrecy" - [14:53]
ascii_field ^ this one is actually necessary and if no one else does it, i will. but can't promise ~when~. [14:53]
trinque I could hack on that this weekend [14:54]
trinque and maybe do some general tidying [14:55]
trinque or if ben_vulpes wants to, sounds fine too [14:55]
ascii_field ideally, each 'bubble' would be clickable and contain links to download patch and all signatures [14:56]
ascii_field (this would be hosted on a wwwtronic thing similar to turdatron, presumably) [14:56]
ascii_field 'Cavium has issued a patch and noti- [14:59]
ascii_field fied all customers (CVE-2015-5738) that [14:59]
ascii_field are using older SDK 2.x Cavium Cryptographic [14:59]
ascii_field Software under Linux on older [14:59]
ascii_field OCTEON II CN6xxx Hardware with details [14:59]
ascii_field of the vulnerability. OCTEON II [14:59]
ascii_field running Simple Exec (SE-S) applications [14:59]
ascii_field and OCTEON III CN7xxx processors are [14:59]
ascii_field not affected.' [14:59]
ascii_field l0l [14:59]
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ascii_field Run Moar Closed Crypto Turdz [15:00]
ascii_field Use Moar American Standardz [15:01]
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ascii_field 'We observed one rather peculiar factorization of a RSA modulus, involving factor 23. What happened was that the public key in the X.509 certificate was corrupted in some (there was a bit flip, according to the server operator), and equation (1) accidentally revealed the factor 23. The corrupted modulus had other small factors, too, and a large composite factor with an unknown factorization.' [15:04]
ascii_field ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l [15:04]
ascii_field 'Some servers occasionally or consistently produce ServerKeyExchange messages which contain RSA signatures which are zero. Encoding of the number zero varied. In some cases, zero or one bytes were transmitted. Sometimes the length of the signature matched the size of the RSA modulus. The latter suggests that the server implementation may have omitted the copy of the computed signature. This could happen if RSA-CRT [15:06]
ascii_field hardening detects a faulty signature, does not write the result to a caller-provided buffer, returns an error.' [15:06]
ascii_field ^ k0000sm1k rayzz !! [15:06]
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thestringpuller Maybe there is hope yet: [15:15]
thestringpuller Bitcoin is good for storing wealth in a deflationary, censorship resistant way. It is not very good for mainstream retail usage (yet). [15:15]
thestringpuller Yes, Bitcoin will go up in value just by people holding it. That's how commodities work. I don't see anyone "using" gold. [15:15]
thestringpuller i consider myself part of the internet mob [15:15]
thestringpuller I could tell as soon as I read the nonsense you post about Blockstream [15:15]
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mats bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' [15:17]
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mats [16:35]
assbot Pwn2Own loses HP as its sponsor amid new cyberweapon restrictions | Ars Technica ... ( ) [16:35]
shinohai O.o wow [16:36]
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mats [16:45]
assbot Warplanes: ISIL Adopts Chinese UAVs ... ( ) [16:45]
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ascii_field mats: toy store hardware [16:46]
mats its all toy store hardware, man [16:46]
ascii_field mats: not that it can't fly a frag. sop in donbass. [16:46]
mats my boss was a master instructor for the raven, 'military-grade UAS' [16:48]
mats piece of shit would fall out of the sky a quarter to third of the time it was flown [16:48]
ascii_field mats: what was nominally 'military' about it, other than the cost ? [16:49]
mats what qualifies as 'military'? i don't believe the army operates any uas with arms [16:51]
ascii_field i do not know [16:51]
ascii_field but mats did say 'military-grade' [16:51]
jurov in quotes [16:53]
ascii_field one example of 'military' feature would be, say, guidance via laser (or something else the opponent can't jam with $5 of components) [16:53]
mats interesting features, i guess, might include repeaters, a gimbaled payload (expensive camera and sensors) [16:54]
ascii_field or perhaps a little cup in which to stuff a frag with the spoon out [16:54]
ascii_field and a solenoid to squeeze it back out on command [16:54]
ascii_field *with the pin out [16:54]
ascii_field or, hell, clamps for a 'claymore' [16:55]
ascii_field use imagination. [16:55]
mats as far as i know the army only operates drones to surveill and recon [16:56]
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mats afaik usn/usaf programs are the ones that kill people via rc [16:57]
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mats [17:03]
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assbot A Hard Look at Hard Power: Assessing the Defense Capabilities of Key U.S. Allies and Security Partners ... ( ) [17:07]
mats doesnt look good for nato [17:07]
mats european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft [17:09]
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mats from the foreword: 'In short, at a time when the United States needs the most help, the prospects for receiving it, with the exception of a few allies, look more worrisome than at any point since perhaps the immediate aftermath of World War II.' - COL (Ret.) Lovelace [17:13]
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BingoBoingo << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet [17:21]
assbot Another Neurodegenerative Disease Linked To Prion Mechanism | September 7, 2015 Issue - Vol. 93 Issue 35 | Chemical & Engineering News ... ( ) [17:21]
BingoBoingo Also << Stingray [17:23]
assbot ... ( ) [17:23]
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mats ;;isup [18:28]
gribble is down [18:28]
mats ;;isup [18:28]
gribble is up [18:28]
mats ;;isup [18:28]
gribble is up [18:28]
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gribble is up [18:30]
shinohai o/ now if i only had btc to trade with the mermaids! [18:31]
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mircea_popescu hey, anyone wanna do a sepa paymenbt for me ? coupla k's. [18:33]
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mats coinbr doesn't look up from over here [18:37]
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mircea_popescu hm logs really laggy for some reason [18:38]
shinohai same here mats coinbr not loading [18:38]
mircea_popescu holy shiot [18:39]
assbot ... ( ) [18:39]
mircea_popescu dude... [18:39]
kakobrekla hm works here [18:41]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell bingoboingo i must point out qntra is in fact satisfying its job as a news site. I get news thgere. [18:41]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:41]
shinohai heh I get "under maintenance" page on my direct ip, and endless load from vpn [18:42]
trinque endless load over here re: coinbr [18:43]
mircea_popescu curl: (52) Empty reply from server [18:43]
mircea_popescu * Closing connection #0 [18:43]
shinohai T_T [18:43]
mircea_popescu ^ logs [18:43]
shinohai !s Andrew Miller scam [18:45]
assbot 10 results for 'Andrew Miller scam' : [18:45]
shinohai d'oh [18:45]
kakobrekla logz [18:46]
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mircea_popescu great, but why? << this is a complex point and would require some more indepth discussion to do it justice. in summary to my eyes it is an early attempt by the microsoft citatel to parlay compatibility problems of early linux into a "here, we've strangled it" usg solution. it failed to work irl, and the failure of java is torvalds' chief merit in this world. using it today is not unlike using ripple. you'r [18:46]
mircea_popescu e a ridiculously quaint figure stuck on the long sunk battleships of the past. [18:46]
mircea_popescu sorta like being an uk citizen. seriously, in 2015 ? why not be a hittite while you're doing anachronisms. [18:47]
shinohai <<< signed up for your coursera course, watched 5 lectures and felt dumber than when I went in. [18:47]
assbot MC2 Doctoral Student Spreads His Wealth of Bitcoin Knowledge | UMIACS ... ( ) [18:47]
mircea_popescu sure, one can pretend that "well, it's a country." if one wants to. but for foreigners, no, it isn't. it was an empire and now it's nothing. not even a hole. [18:47]
mircea_popescu why don [18:48]
mircea_popescu t we use ecc ? or pki ? they're "perfectly functional solutions" that "other people" have "come to expect" blablabla. [18:48]
mircea_popescu and nobody can make me. << gotta love republican thought! [18:48]
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ascii_modem log dead? [18:52]
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mircea_popescu apparently. is a paste by kako above, i have my own copy too [18:52]
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ascii_modem above lol [18:53]
mircea_popescu [18:53]
assbot ... ( ) [18:53]
ascii_modem ty [18:53]
mircea_popescu mp [18:53]
mircea_popescu and here's mine. [18:54]
assbot dpaste: 28MEH3A ... ( ) [18:54]
kakobrekla this works ? [18:55]
assbot #bitcoin-assets log ... ( ) [18:55]
mircea_popescu "El periodista Daniel Colina informó por medio de su cuenta en la red social Twitter informó que el Banco de Venezuela ubicada en La Castellana fue robado el pasado 10 de agosto en horas de la noche, los maleantes solo se llevaron las impresoras y televisores del lugar." [18:55]
mircea_popescu win lmao [18:55]
mircea_popescu (robbed bank in venezuela, thieves took printers and tvs) [18:55]
trinque log loaded over here [18:55]
mircea_popescu loaded here too. [18:56]
mircea_popescu them rays are strong today, better do less global warming for bitcoin mining! [18:56]
ascii_modem and here. [18:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 75400 @ 0.00072266 = 54.4886 BTC [-] [18:57]
trinque my car was smashed-n-grabbed two nights ago, stole that 4u I picked up and some other computers, guitars, etc [18:57]
trinque left all my books! [18:57]
trinque that gave me quite a lol [18:57]
ascii_modem they took their sweet time, installing that splice... [18:57]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem kinda why the venezuela bank story is so lulzy. look at this picture worth 1k words : [18:58]
assbot ... ( ) [18:58]
ascii_modem dead link [18:58]
mircea_popescu this is how a bank looks in the united states of america now. and in the future. [18:58]
mircea_popescu "Sin impresora para trámites agencia del Banco de Venezuela La Castellana tras robo ocurrido hace 8 días." [18:58]
mircea_popescu takes 8+ days to replace stolen printers in venezuela, takes 8+ minutes to do a splicing in, etc. [18:59]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem for the maybe related tinfoilhat category : [19:00]
assbot #Eulora log for Friday, 2015-09-04 ... ( ) [19:00]
mircea_popescu eulora was also unreachable across teh atlantic apparently. [19:00]
mircea_popescu the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case. [19:00]
mircea_popescu i never ever spoke any russian, with anyone, pre b-a, because no, russian is not "the vocabulary", but principally the set of historical russians. between tolstoy and hruschev not so much to pick. [19:02]
ascii_modem sorta what i tried to explain to ben_vulpes [19:03]
mircea_popescu and i suspect pretty strongly that the interest in romanian such as it is is because ~I~ speak it, here as well as in my harem and anywhere else genuine interest exists for this particular item in the "crappy language pack". [19:03]
mircea_popescu not because it rhymes and aliterates well. [19:03]
mircea_popescu in short, without "acest articol are avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi", romanian doesn't even aliterate. at all. [19:03]
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shinohai trinque: if you are like me, stealing a man's guitar is akin to stealing his woman [19:03]
ascii_modem 'ru i will learn only because... it was spoke by lenin' [19:03]
trinque shinohai: the acoustic had sentimental value, dad bought it for me. [19:04]
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trinque but whatever, enjoy crackheads [19:04]
trinque wtf are they going to do with a storage server anyway [19:04]
shinohai Porque la guitarra me toqua, no al reves [19:04]
trinque pawn for 50 bucks? [19:04]
mircea_popescu 50 bucks is by now a few day's meth [19:05]
ascii_modem usually they steal first, ask questions later [19:05]
mircea_popescu "hey, what's that big ipad thing ?" "i dunno man, some older version. worth some scratch fo sho" [19:06]
trinque yeah, clearly had a truck/van, smashed back window, grabbed all [19:06]
trinque hope the 4u fell on someone, fucker was heavy [19:07]
trinque on the plus side, less to unpack later; I wasn't going to bring furniture anyway, so these were mostly toys stolen [19:07]
ascii_modem trinque: page the thermite squib! [19:07]
shinohai trinque: got serial #'s on that ? [19:07]
trinque ahaha, well if they plug anything in... I have my ways [19:07]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem if they break into his car and thereby lose a hand in the explosion he's going to jail. [19:07]
trinque nothing explosive unfortunately [19:07]
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trinque mircea_popescu: sad state of affairs [19:08]
mircea_popescu one of the most fucktarded things the brits gifted the world. [19:08]
trinque be reasonable! [19:08]
trinque reasonable's you smash a man's car and that's the end of you [19:08]
trinque place in town fixed same day in two hours; I was impressed [19:08]
mircea_popescu (but in the original context it made a lot of sense. you really don't want to lose an arm because you innocently wandered into what you thought was a shop. because the patrimonial dispute thereby ensuing can be fixed, but the arm can not be reattached.) [19:09]
ascii_modem innocent my arse. [19:09]
mircea_popescu at the time this was a lot more likely than today. [19:09]
mircea_popescu owing to a population 1/20 as large, kept in check by a deeply patriarchical society. [19:09]
ascii_modem usg empowers scum as deliberate policy. [19:09]
trinque bum wanders into my lawn; he doesn't necessarily deserve to be shot [19:09]
trinque stealing half my posessions seems it oughta come with a price though [19:09]
mircea_popescu yes, it does, but this should not corrupt our understanding of history, politics, or legal matters. [19:10]
ascii_modem 'wanders' through door and into arse [19:10]
mircea_popescu ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms. [19:11]
trinque eh can't just come out blasting; say the guy's looking for his dumb toddler that wandered onto your porch [19:11]
trinque mircea_popescu: lol [19:12]
mircea_popescu (this event actually happened. splendid ass, /me grabs it, woman turns unamused and asks me what i'm doing, i retort that i'm innocently grabbing your ass, she says don't do that and i say alright.) [19:12]
mircea_popescu postcards from a saner world. [19:12]
trinque !b 5 [19:13]
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mircea_popescu and yes, much like the "don't thermite" thing, this worked fine in a world 1/50 as small and very deeply patriarchical. [19:13]
mircea_popescu but in the us of today this is not feasible, for the same reason email spam is a thing [19:13]
mircea_popescu poor girl'd have holes through her butt, finger shaped, and collapse out of sheer exhaust of turning and saying "doin't do that" fifty million times. [19:14]
ascii_modem note the difference b/w thermiting a stolen box remotely, and minefield [19:14]
mircea_popescu ok, different story. [19:14]
mircea_popescu as a kid, /me fambly had a neighbour. one day mom's cooking and i'm computing in other room. door was unlocked (most of my life i lived in a world where locks were not really useful). neighbour blasts in, goes past mom, into room, has a wrench, approaches heating element decidedly [19:15]
ascii_modem in usa - both jail. but there is a difference. [19:15]
mircea_popescu then he turns to me and goes "what the fuck have you done to it ?!?!" [19:15]
trinque shinohai: yeah I have pictures of the relevant stickers with all that, but don't give a siht [19:15]
mircea_popescu and im lioke what and he's like it's fixed and then is like "oooooh" [19:15]
trinque server was 125 or w/e [19:16]
mircea_popescu had gone one flight too many in his anger. [19:16]
trinque guitar is long gone [19:16]
trinque all can be replaced [19:16]
mircea_popescu trinque coupla hundred are certainly cheaper than shooting some derp. [19:17]
shinohai I'm quite sad for you trinque because a similar situation occurred to me. Losing an instrument to someone that loves music as I do is akin to losing a limb. [19:17]
trinque eh I don't cry over that shit [19:17]
trinque just commenting on the scum about [19:17]
trinque mircea_popescu: indeed [19:17]
mircea_popescu shinohai i think unlike most music lovers, he knows he stinks. [19:18]
shinohai xD [19:18]
trinque yeah I'm total shit on the guitar [19:18]
trinque hehe [19:18]
shinohai I am too [19:18]
trinque just chords and having fun, is all it was for [19:18]
mircea_popescu nothing about womenz and panties in there whatsoever. i'm sure. [19:19]
mircea_popescu o nm, you did say "fun" [19:19]
trinque nah never [19:19]
trinque heh, indeed [19:19]
shinohai Music is the ambrosia of the soul and all that. When one is drunk, one rarely cares if it is fine wine or swag. [19:20]
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mircea_popescu ^ guess who and what isn't cited in this paper, l0l << omfg that is FUCKING RIDICULOUS. [19:20]
shinohai <<< neither would I have a pollon [19:27]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 22:09:22; mircea_popescu: ascii_modem if women had thermite up their ass which blew up every time someone grabbed it, ~I~ wouldn't have any arms. [19:27]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is not deflationary, will never be useful for 'mainstream retail usage', and does not intrinsically 'go up in value just by people holding it' << the first point is true in the objective. it is however "relatively deflationary" in the sense that to the rocket, all things seem to be sinking ; 2 is an obscure point of the future but seems likely correct ; 3. is outright false. willingness to hold === value [19:31]
mircea_popescu . end of story. [19:31]
mircea_popescu jurov sent an email to the ml ~5 mins ago, i don't see it on any idea why ? [19:31]
assbot The BTC-dev September 2015 Archive by thread ... ( ) [19:31]
mircea_popescu european nato has a pathetic number of aircraft << nato is basically european-wide greece for military issues. specifically this : [19:35]
assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head he knows what will happ [19:35]
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mircea_popescu the friability of this thing, whereby i did something, i didn't observe the expected result, and don't know what to do is driving me fucking bonkers. [19:37]
trinque I'm still waiting on being able to switch out of "digest" mode [19:37]
mircea_popescu to doubleckeck here : email to the address, had a plaintext as 1st attachment and detached sig as 2nd attachment/ [19:41]
mircea_popescu amirite ? [19:41]
trinque and signed message body? [19:46]
mircea_popescu no body. wasn't body optional ? [19:59]
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mircea_popescu !up xinxiwang [20:03]
-assbot- You voiced xinxiwang for 30 minutes. [20:03]
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xinxiwang thanks [20:03]
xinxiwang the market is calm. [20:03]
mircea_popescu aha. who're you ? [20:03]
xinxiwang do you still remember [20:04]
trinque mircea_popescu: could be; not sure [20:04]
xinxiwang did the authentication process change? [20:05]
mircea_popescu !s coinut [20:05]
assbot 4 results for 'coinut' : [20:05]
mircea_popescu the logs remember. [20:06]
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xinxiwang nice [20:07]
mircea_popescu trinque hm it might have been the armored detached sig o.O [20:09]
xinxiwang it seems more quiet than before. [20:10]
mircea_popescu ok, for the record : sent it with no body, and with a clearsigned body ; the latter with .asc armored signature and with .sig binary signature. still nothing there. [20:11]
trinque huh, maybe the ML's just busted [20:11]
mircea_popescu the "with clearsigned body and .sig signature" version is exact replica of the single email i successfully sent to date, back in the days of the V patch. [20:11]
trinque as far as I recall that's right [20:11]
trinque hm, yeah [20:12]
* mircea_popescu gives up [20:14]
mircea_popescu we need something to do this. [20:14]
mircea_popescu i estimate currently this sort of thing is 99% why we don't get more work submitted. [20:15]
trinque maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? [20:19]
trinque or do you mean replacing mailman with another mail thing that works better [20:19]
mircea_popescu i have nfi. all i know atm is this does not in fact work as is [20:19]
* mircea_popescu thinks about it [20:20]
trinque myup [20:20]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: here's how i do it: 1) clearsigned (asciiarmoured) body. 2) attachment 3) signature (asciiarmoured, detached) of attachment, having the filename for every [20:56]
asciilifeform body can also consist of attachment, in the form: 1st attach: body.txt (clearsigned text) [20:57]
asciilifeform in fact, if i do it any other way, it dies [20:57]
asciilifeform because SOME FUCKTARDATION MUTILATES THE ASCII [20:57]
asciilifeform maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. [20:57]
asciilifeform about half done, at this moment. [20:59]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and it dun work with binary signature for anything. [21:01]
asciilifeform gotta use armoured. [21:01]
cazalla #3 or #4 design change for dat bitcoin phoundation [21:02]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation | Supporting Education, Adoption and Development in Bitcoin ... ( ) [21:02]
cazalla they never seem to forget the inclusion of token african kid with mobile [21:02]
kakobrekla >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! [21:02]
kakobrekla on that very page. [21:02]
kakobrekla so get ready for #5 [21:02]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: << good example of how to use turdatron. click on the links to see each of the three attachments verbatim. [21:03]
assbot [BTC-dev] Rotor! ... ( ) [21:03]
kakobrekla like buttstamp "we just got hacked, we dont know where hour heads are so we refreshed our webpage while you wait." [21:04]
asciilifeform ftr i happen to think that the turdatron is an abomination, but presently i have no idea what could be used instead. in fact, iirc i was the one to suggest the current scheme. [21:05]
asciilifeform one possible variant would be to permit l1 folks to deedbot arbitrary detached signatures, and then accept via mail any document that matches the signature (one per, or we get dosed) [21:07]
* assbot gives voice to pete_dushenski [21:07]
pete_dushenski << ava gardner. at 13 (!!!) years of age [21:20]
assbot ... ( ) [21:20]
pete_dushenski << lulzy example of israeli tech leading the way [21:22]
assbot Amid Migrant Crisis, Europeans Interested in Israeli Border Barriers - World - Haaretz ... ( ) [21:22]
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pete_dushenski asciilifeform: [21:35]
assbot What it’s like to be poor. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( ) [21:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform aha thanks. gonna try redoing this for the 7th or so time [21:43]
mircea_popescu gonna cc you too. [21:44]
mircea_popescu clearsigned, armored body ; attachment 1, text. attachment 1 detached signature, armored in ; nothing whatsoever out. god damned it... [21:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00072967 = 10.0694 BTC [-] [21:46]
mircea_popescu >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ? [21:48]
pete_dushenski "Deniss Calovskis, 30, pleaded guilty in federal court in Manhattan to conspiring to commit computer intrusion, admitting that he had been hired to write some of the computer code that made the so-called Gozi virus so effective." [21:48]
pete_dushenski "Under a plea agreement, Calovskis, who has been in U.S. custody since his extradition, agreed not to appeal any sentence of two years in prison or less." << bizarro condition for a plea bargain [21:49]
mircea_popescu notrly ? [21:49]
pete_dushenski so why not sentence him to 2 years minus a day ? [21:49]
mircea_popescu about as unenforceable in a sane justice system as "employee agrees not to sue employer for any reason" employment contracts in california, but hey. [21:49]
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shinohai <<< Likely the same ppl that bitch about mpex having that 90's coded website when it works perfectly fine *for what it was designed to do* [21:52]
assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 00:45:55; mircea_popescu: >We are migrating the website to a new and improved and more dynamic site. Please excuse any broken links or choppy pages as we work! <<< one wonders wtf the progre thinks progress actually is. "new improved more dynamic" = "broken". so whydja want it ? [21:52]
pete_dushenski which, incidentally, ties into mp's observation about smartphones being 'tvs in everyone's arse' [21:53]
pete_dushenski web 2.0 (non-3d) is broken for usability, but functional for fucking around [21:54]
pete_dushenski as supported by today's discovery that it's damn-near impossible to find out what 'technologies' and 'features' a pampers diaper has : [21:55]
assbot Diapers, Baby Care, and Parenting Information at ... ( ) [21:55]
pete_dushenski their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s' [21:55]
pete_dushenski moms* [21:56]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35211 @ 0.00072967 = 25.6924 BTC [-] [21:56]
pete_dushenski why learn anything or do anything when you can just dick around until the cows come home ? [21:56]
shinohai Truth. [21:57]
pete_dushenski of course, behind the scenes, is proctor and gamble, which is to say, that senile old limp-dick from omaha [21:57]
pete_dushenski 'just giving the people what they want' [21:58]
shinohai People don't know "what they want" [21:58]
pete_dushenski the united states of television : a channel for every star on the flag [21:58]
shinohai times eleventeen [21:58]
pete_dushenski shinohai: they want to 'feel heard' [21:58]
pete_dushenski so that's exactly what they get [21:59]
shinohai Glad others find the meaning of life with such simplicity. [21:59]
pete_dushenski they're not actually heard, of course, no functional system could handle that much noise, but they are lent a convincing simulacrum of importance [22:00]
pete_dushenski shinohai: remember, these 'others' aren't people in the sense that we are [22:00]
shinohai I find it rther liberating to know I don't matter and no one gives a shit what I say. [22:00]
pete_dushenski do you desire to matter ? [22:01]
cazalla <<< i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online [22:02]
assbot Logged on 05-09-2015 00:53:44; pete_dushenski: their whole fukcing website is dumbass mom's giving their 'reviews' of products and idjit gizmodo rejects writing 'how-tos' and 'top 5s' [22:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30700 @ 0.00073425 = 22.5415 BTC [+] [22:03]
pete_dushenski cazalla: pretty offensive eh ? [22:03]
cazalla well, not really, gave me the idea to do.. daddy blogging lol [22:04]
pete_dushenski << the future of voice recognition software. "oh, we don't need keyboards, we just need next-gen ai so we can mommy blog while we're changing diapers." [22:05]
assbot New voice transcription feature in Google Docs censors (some!) swearwords – Strong Language ... ( ) [22:05]
pete_dushenski glhf. [22:06]
shinohai Nearly everyone *wants* to matter in some way, pete_dushenski. I'm not sure I want to matter in the preconceived notions that American culture *wants* you to matter in. [22:06]
pete_dushenski cazalla: i'd read it [22:06]
shinohai I was told I didn't need my physical keyboard either, only a touchscreen. yeah. [22:07]
pete_dushenski shinohai: leaving aside 'normal american' notions, how do ~you~ want to matter ? if you don't mind the inquiry [22:07]
cazalla pete_dushenski, they're a dime a dozen so i never pursued it further than regging a domain name [22:07]
cazalla in other news, should be a bumper crop of broad beans in 6-8 weeks [22:07]
assbot ... ( ) [22:07]
pete_dushenski cazalla: terrible logic and you know it. there's dozens of 'tech/poli/bitcoin newz sites'. none are qntra. [22:08]
cazalla pete_dushenski, ok, i'm lazy :) [22:08]
cazalla or busy! [22:08]
pete_dushenski better ! [22:08]
pete_dushenski :) [22:08]
shinohai I don't mind the inquiry, sometimes I think perhaps I am too uneducated to even know the answer to that lol/ [22:08]
pete_dushenski cazalla: solid lookin' plants btw [22:09]
cazalla pete_dushenski, can't say the same for the brussel sprouts, aphids made a meal of them all [22:09]
pete_dushenski shinohai: well no one's born knowing these things, but there are worse places to learn about the world and yourself than b-a [22:10]
pete_dushenski like, everywhere else :P [22:10]
shinohai That's why I'm here, so at least I may glean some knowledge in my lifetime. [22:11]
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trinque asciilifeform |
maybe becomes a function of the web page viewer for V ? << i am writing one. << cool!
trinque asciilifeform: deeding detached sigs seems a decent feature in any case [22:13]
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funkenstein_ <-- Aha, thank you. Apparently I had no clue what "lexicon" actually means. [22:18]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 21:58:42; mircea_popescu: the language is the lexicon << this is beyond naive and absolutely never the case. [22:18]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i got it, but ml didn't... [22:18]
asciilifeform sig verifies.. [22:19]
asciilifeform or not! [22:19]
asciilifeform neither sig verifies. [22:19]
asciilifeform $ gpg --verify florianweimer.txt.asc [22:20]
asciilifeform gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 18:26:16 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452 [22:20]
asciilifeform gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) " [22:20]
asciilifeform $ gpg --verify florianweimer-general.asc [22:20]
asciilifeform gpg: Signature made Fri Sep 4 19:06:50 2015 EDT using RSA key ID 2FB7B452 [22:20]
asciilifeform gpg: BAD signature from "Mircea Popescu (Acest articol are apriori avantajul aliteralitatii alaturi.) " [22:20]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: and i think he was talking about an ssl turd, rather than anything from phuctor ? [22:21]
asciilifeform my observation was that he neglected to mention what was meant by 'accidental factors of a corrupted public key', and the most prominent prior art. [22:22]
pete_dushenski the craftiest spam commenters i've yet seen are all pointing to this guy : [22:24]
assbot Handy Orten - Genaue Handyortung von Leuten ... ( ) [22:24]
pete_dushenski strange. [22:24]
pete_dushenski all comments use different proper names (no xxxtina), different ip addresses, different url-shorteners (!), but all use same gmail addy [22:25]
pete_dushenski and the comments themselves are exceedingly close to being relevant and don't contain a single outbound link [22:26]
pete_dushenski i'm actually kinda impressed. [22:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4241 @ 0.00072769 = 3.0861 BTC [-] {2} [22:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83009 @ 0.00072221 = 59.9499 BTC [-] {4} [22:32]
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funkenstein_ <-- I just see more evidence Pythagoras was right [22:45]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 20:19:44; BingoBoingo: << More evidence that chirality and rotation matter when we search for a new planet [22:45]
ben_vulpes trinque: i'll bang on it with you [23:08]
ben_vulpes craft a patch [23:08]
asciilifeform << lulzy [23:08]
ben_vulpes saturday? [23:08]
assbot NNSA an Iranian Target? ... ( ) [23:08]
trinque ben_vulpes: sounds great [23:08]
ben_vulpes groovy. am? [23:08]
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trinque ben_vulpes: nah had a rough week; sleeping in [23:11]
trinque see logs re: stolen property [23:12]
ben_vulpes boo, okay. ring me when you're up. [23:13]
trinque k [23:13]
mircea_popescu ah what the fuck. [23:21]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform so i suppose the ATTACHEMENTS get mangled now ? [23:26]
assbot dpaste: 1FHAYQK ... ( ) [23:26]
punkman mircea_popescu: what mail client did you use btw? [23:27]
mircea_popescu i didn't realise how pervasive the tidal shit from mummy bloggers were until i began looking up baby related things online << this ironically is the first, and to date the most ample use of language. stupid women spreading their stupid whatever it is while pregnant and nursing. [23:28]
mircea_popescu and, much like insane notions of agency as defined legally ("guy spreading his legs is DOING something ; gal eating herself into a bus size is not specifically doing anything"), the quantitative approach favours female dumb. [23:29]
mircea_popescu "oh, my blog got 5989546 comments" [23:29]
mircea_popescu "yeah, from 10k idiots just like you" [23:29]
mircea_popescu squirrelmail [23:30]
mircea_popescu punkman ^ [23:30]
punkman squirrelmail ate the last newline in one of my files [23:31]
mircea_popescu yup, the verify fails if i download the attachments [23:32]
mircea_popescu but works on the files as they are. [23:32]
punkman or maybe something wrapped a line wider than 80 chars [23:32]
mircea_popescu at this point, i find myself persuaded that email is the wrong thing, knuth was right, it should have died long ago. [23:33]
mircea_popescu punkman these are attachments. should go through untouched in ANY manner. [23:33]
punkman html form would have worked so much better for turdatron [23:35]
asciilifeform punkman: i am making this. [23:35]
asciilifeform punkman: because i, too, grew tired. [23:35]
punkman cool [23:35]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform and make it take armored encrypted msgs only ? [23:36]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: that'd mean having keys on the serv end [23:36]
mircea_popescu so ? [23:36]
asciilifeform something i like to avoid if it can be avoided. [23:36]
trinque asciilifeform: jurov gave me a script to sync a gpg keychain with assbot's list [23:36]
punkman why encrypt [23:36]
trinque could snag it for you [23:36]
* asciilifeform does not regard boxes he doesn't personally keep behind a locked door with cameras etc. as cryptoworthy [23:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform more for message integrity than anything [23:38]
asciilifeform can armour plaintext, y'know [23:38]
mircea_popescu sure. [23:38]
asciilifeform aka uuencode. [23:39]
asciilifeform i was just gonna have the thing eat tars. [23:39]
asciilifeform (no gz, it is an attack vector) [23:39]
asciilifeform inside tar, payload & sigs as before. [23:40]
mircea_popescu in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation, [23:41]
mircea_popescu will choose to interpret it as... 1275. [23:41]
asciilifeform glorious [23:41]
mircea_popescu this is in my mind the new high point of "bitcoin core" power ranger retardation [23:41]
asciilifeform but this is correct american notation. [23:41]
mircea_popescu not the fact they kept the wallets around unencrypted for 4 years. [23:41]
asciilifeform actual knob in qt! [23:41]
mircea_popescu gee, i guess all this preoccupation with kids in africa must be pretty fucking novel. they didn't give a shit about africa throughout. [23:42]
mircea_popescu idiots. [23:42]
asciilifeform (american traditional floating point is the comma, e.g., a thousand and one nights, 1,001) [23:42]
mircea_popescu so ? [23:42]
asciilifeform so 1,275 is 1275 in the land of mordor. [23:43]
mircea_popescu residents of northern tenochtitlan need to get over the idea that the "united states of america" matters [23:43]
asciilifeform whereas pi is 3.14159... [23:43]
asciilifeform (in the south, 3!!) [23:43]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: all sv gasbags use the same 'clip art' with starving africans holding iPnohes - i could've toldya that [23:44]
mircea_popescu buncha ignorant racist twerps [23:45]
* mircea_popescu is disgusted [23:45]
trinque << note will happily delete your whole keychain of pubkeys assbot dun like [23:45]
assbot dpaste: 2BSFFV8 ... ( ) [23:45]
trinque script courtesy of jurov [23:46]
* asciilifeform wonders how many folks verified that the key on file is actually the one they expect [23:46]
asciilifeform rather than a cosmic-rayed superset [23:47]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33100 @ 0.00072154 = 23.883 BTC [-] {3} [23:48]
mircea_popescu on what file ? [23:49]
trinque in my case a deedbot- user would notice the rejected: 1 and complain to me [23:49]
asciilifeform wot [23:49]
trinque so not that worried [23:49]
asciilifeform trinque: understand, if it includes your actual subkeys, it can go unnoticed [23:49]
asciilifeform (for some purposes anyway) [23:50]
trinque most damage it could do is fart out 0.0002 per hour til I wake up :P [23:51]
trinque but yeah could happen I guess [23:51]
trinque asciilifeform: however, much more relevant to bitcoind dev [23:52]
mircea_popescu yep, just tested this. squirrelmail mangles sent attachments. for crying out loud. [23:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i vagualy recall an old thread where someone identified a misconfiguration which leads to this. [23:54]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i have squirrelmail on my end, and it does not mangle attachments. [23:54]
mircea_popescu i have no fucking idea what this is, diff fails over ity [23:54]
mircea_popescu (returns entire identical file as "changed") [23:54]
asciilifeform (even 'gmail' ferfuxxsake doesn't!) [23:54]
punkman I didn't find anything in squirrelmail configuration [23:55]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: hexdump -C foo1 > foo1.hex; hexdump -C foo2 > foo2.hex; diff foo1.hex foo2.hex [23:55]
punkman entire file as changed must be newlines [23:55]
trinque kinda hilarious how everything in OSS starts breaking the moment you have hard requirements [23:56]
mircea_popescu this is incredible. . becomes .. [23:57]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: actual . ? [23:57]
mircea_popescu 0a becomes 0d 0a [23:57]
mircea_popescu motherfucker. [23:57]
pete_dushenski did xerox make squirrelmail ? [23:58]
trinque haaa [23:58]
mircea_popescu who the fuck told you .txt is ok to fuck up omfg [23:58]
mircea_popescu JESUS CHRIST. [23:58]
asciilifeform now mircea_popescu gets to froth like i did, lol [23:58]
mircea_popescu the who the fuck line is caps and me holding shift at the same time. consider it double screaming. [23:58]
mircea_popescu it's not even jurov's fault in any sense [23:59]
asciilifeform control-alt-shift-meta-hyper-modelock aha [23:59]
mircea_popescu COMPUTING SUCKS [23:59]
* pete_dushenski can hear the sweet sounds of keyboards being smashed in a furious rage all the way from arg. [23:59]
mircea_popescu and i hold florian w in no small part responsible. [23:59]
mircea_popescu to answer your earlier obsevation : i want to be friends with thios schmuck like i want to be friends with dea agent. [23:59]
mircea_popescu he wants to be tolerated, better brownnose like his life depends on it. [23:59]
mircea_popescu fairness is for peers not for the canaille. [23:59]
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