Forum logs for 04 May 2012
Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
| rg | okay | [00:00] |
| rg | xchat isnt so bad | [00:00] |
| rg | now that ive got it configured | [00:00] |
| mircea_popescu | xhat rulex | [00:00] |
| rg | nice. | [00:01] |
| rg | i disabled the menu bar | [00:01] |
| rg | now it wont come back | [00:01] |
| mircea_popescu | cause you were mean to it. | [00:01] |
| rg | xchat has this 'marker line' thing | [00:01] |
| rg | its annoying as fuck | [00:01] |
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| mircea_popescu | i think you can turn it off. | [00:24] |
| rg | i just changed it to the background color of my text window | [00:24] |
| rg | i guess you can disable it | [00:25] |
| rg | i didnt see the option | [00:25] |
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| rg | jiga | [02:34] |
| rg | whats my motherfucking name | [02:34] |
| rg | my nigga | [02:34] |
| rg | betta get it right | [02:34] |
| rg | just kidding | [02:34] |
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| vragnaroda | Mqrius|3: One of you is enough ffs. | [02:35] |
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| vragnaroda | Oh shit. | [02:35] |
| mircea_popescu | lol | [02:36] |
| mircea_popescu | he's at twente uni, it's a nice place. | [02:36] |
| mircea_popescu | possibly only place in the world where more pot than coal is burned per watt used. | [02:36] |
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| Mqrius | vragnaroda: I know right. That was messed up O.o | [02:39] |
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| mircea_popescu | hmm, anyone knows a linux tower defense ? | [04:42] |
| Blitzboom | no idea if grid defense is available for linux, but i recently started playing it and damn, is it awesome | [04:44] |
| Blitzboom | defense grid* | [04:44] |
| Blitzboom | mircea_popescu: why not some flash game? | [04:46] |
| mircea_popescu | i don't use flash. | [04:46] |
| Blitzboom | :( | [04:46] |
| mircea_popescu | adobe is evil and flash is worse. | [04:46] |
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| * | Now talking on #bitcoin-otc-eu | [12:46] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-otc-eu is: Eurozone #bitcoin-otc || http://bitcoin-otc.com || Include hash tag #eu in order notes to group -eu orders. || View all tagged -eu orders here: http://bitcoin-otc.com/vieworderbook.php?notes=%23eu || Exchange rates: !bc,convert CURRENCYCODE || GET BTC WITH ukash/paysafecard ... /msg neliskybot help || options-> http://polimedia.us/btc || bitcoin hosting -> http://bitvps.com/ | [12:46] |
| * | Topic for #bitcoin-otc-eu set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Fri Apr 20 21:40:27 2012 | [12:46] |
| * | [freenode-info] channel trolls and no channel staff around to help? please check with freenode support: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gettinghelp | [12:46] |
| mircea_popescu | good morning otc-eu :D | [12:55] |
| kakobreklaa | heya | [12:56] |
| mircea_popescu | how goes k ? | [12:57] |
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| kakobreklaa | And it ain't nothing new | [12:58] |
| kakobreklaa | :) | [12:58] |
| illu | ;;bid | [13:01] |
| gribble | Error: "bid" is not a valid command. | [13:01] |
| illu | ;;ticker | [13:01] |
| gribble | Best bid: 5.11251, Best ask: 5.1132, Bid-ask spread: 0.00069, Last trade: 5.1125, 24 hour volume: 33222, 24 hour low: 5.071, 24 hour high: 5.15 | [13:01] |
| illu | ;;ticker,eur | [13:01] |
| gribble | Error: "ticker,eur" is not a valid command. | [13:01] |
| kakobreklaa | !bc,convert eur | [13:01] |
| gribble | 1 BTC = 5.1125 U.S. dollars = 3.88724148 Euros | [13:01] |
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| illu | ty :) | [13:02] |
| kakobreklaa | yw | [13:02] |
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| mcorlett | Morning! | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu | early, early. | [16:08] |
| guruvan | morning :) | [16:08] |
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| mcorlett | mircea_popescu: It's a matter of definition. | [16:12] |
| mircea_popescu | now that all depends on what you mean by definition. | [16:12] |
| mcorlett | And that, in case, depends on what you mean by the above message. | [16:13] |
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| Amiga4000 | !bc,convert eur | [16:17] |
| gribble | 1 BTC = 5.12900 U.S. dollars = 3.90513172 Euros | [16:17] |
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| Mqrius | ;;view 7894 | [16:28] |
| gribble | #7894 Thu May 3 06:15:44 2012 Mqrius SELL 500.0 BTC @ 3.99 EUR (Temporary offer! Smaller amounts possible too. SEPA or local (Dutch) transfer. Contact me on IRC or at Gmail.com@Nuntius.Marii #eu) | [16:28] |
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| mircea_popescu | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mD8bGnQQJ6A << ahahah this is too funny. | [17:36] |
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| qwebirc94972 | f | [19:30] |
| qwebirc94972 | you trying to trade | [19:30] |
| qwebirc94972 | ? | [19:30] |
| mircea_popescu | that's a nice name... | [19:31] |
| qwebirc94972 | regardless of my name whats your bit coin rate? | [19:31] |
| mircea_popescu | mmm i'm not selling tho. | [19:33] |
| qwebirc94972 | so what exactly are you doing, just buying? | [19:33] |
| mircea_popescu | sometimes i am buying yes. | [19:34] |
| qwebirc94972 | alright no offense I'm not here for conversation so if you have nothing to offer I'm strictly a consumer | [19:35] |
| mcorlett | I like this guy. | [19:35] |
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| qwebirc94972 | mcorlett you have bit coins? | [19:36] |
| guruvan | no bullshit :D | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu | ;;ident qwebirc94972 | [19:36] |
| gribble | Nick 'qwebirc94972', with hostmask 'qwebirc94972!a7cee4d6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.228.214', is not identified. | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu | right. | [19:36] |
| mircea_popescu | i'd say noob fag, but then again... | [19:37] |
| mcorlett | qwebirc94972: Yes. What methods of payment do you have at your disposal? | [19:37] |
| mircea_popescu | this isn't college humour so. | [19:37] |
| qwebirc94972 | can we make this private | [19:38] |
| mircea_popescu | mcorlett please do. i'm curious. | [19:38] |
| guruvan | lol | [19:38] |
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| mcorlett | qwebirc94972: Payment methods aren't exactly sensitive information... | [19:39] |
| mcorlett | It's probably to your benefit to just list them here, actually. | [19:39] |
| mircea_popescu | http://kerryosborne.oracle-guy.com/files/2009/05/wimpy2.jpg << one of the best cartoon charcters of all time, too. | [19:41] |
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| qwebirc94972 | haha | [19:46] |
| qwebirc94972 | 100-150 bit coins por favor | [19:47] |
| mcorlett | Let me guess... PayPal? | [19:47] |
| qwebirc94972 | haha its a possibility | [19:49] |
| Tritonio | hello. what is usually the premium that users have to pay for buying coins with paypal? | [19:52] |
| mcorlett | ;;getrating Tritonio | [19:53] |
| gribble | This user has not yet been rated. Currently not authenticated. | [19:53] |
| Tritonio | not for me | [19:53] |
| Tritonio | I am just asking | [19:53] |
| mcorlett | If you're Tritonio from the forums, you shouldn't have a problem. | [19:53] |
| Tritonio | what is usually extra they pay. | [19:53] |
| Tritonio | I am. Where did you see me there? :-D | [19:53] |
| Tritonio | But again, I am not interested right now to buy | [19:53] |
| Tritonio | I am making a site | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu | Tritonio it's not usual to pay much of a premioum | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu | provided you are in the WOT with a decent rating from people that are known. | [19:54] |
| Tritonio | It's like +10%?less or more? | [19:54] |
| Tritonio | No am talking for a total newcomer | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu | i've on average paid under 0.1% premium. | [19:54] |
| mcorlett | Oh, in that case it's very difficult. | [19:54] |
| mircea_popescu | for a total newcomer it may be anything. | [19:54] |
| Tritonio | hm... | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu | depends a lot on how they strike people, which is random. some guys sell 1 btc to newcomers | [19:55] |
| mircea_popescu | at something like 10-20% | [19:55] |
| Tritonio | I see. That's what I'd expect too... | [19:55] |
| Tritonio | So I am setting up a forum for people that want to buy bitcoins with paypal | [19:56] |
| mircea_popescu | o boy. | [19:56] |
| Tritonio | but instead of buying them directly | [19:56] |
| Tritonio | they will buy something the someone else has requested. | [19:56] |
| Tritonio | and the requester will pay them in bitcoins | [19:56] |
| mircea_popescu | how do you plan to handle fraud tho ? | [19:56] |
| Tritonio | so the chargeback risk stays at the merchant | [19:56] |
| Tritonio | What kind of fraud specifically? | [19:56] |
| mircea_popescu | guy with stolen paypal accounts comes and buys all sorts of things for people, gets btc dissapears. | [19:57] |
| Tritonio | that's a problem for the merchant | [19:57] |
| mircea_popescu | not really | [19:57] |
| mircea_popescu | in many jurisdictions the beneficiary of the item might end up even prosecuted for fraud. | [19:57] |
| Tritonio | hmmm didn't know that. | [19:57] |
| mircea_popescu | there is something sort of similar to what you're saying | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu | specifically, a guy had a site trading gift certificates | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu | can't recall now who it wsd | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu | was* | [19:58] |
| Tritonio | So if someone that I don't know sends me a gift from amazon, could I still get in trouble? | [19:58] |
| mircea_popescu | if they used stolen money yes, you might even have the police knock on your door to ask questions. | [19:58] |
| Tritonio | And what if you say that someone on the internet bought it as a gift for you? | [19:59] |
| Tritonio | Well I get the point: you might end up in trial | [19:59] |
| mircea_popescu | well, that's a likely thing to say now isn't it. | [19:59] |
| mircea_popescu | why'd they necessarily believe it to begin with. | [19:59] |
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| Tritonio | well they have got yo prove i am guilty, not the oposite. | [20:00] |
| Tritonio | yo = to | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu | not to prosecute. | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu | they need to prove you are guilty to convict. | [20:00] |
| Tritonio | yes | [20:00] |
| mircea_popescu | it's enough to suspect you're guilty to prosecute you. | [20:00] |
| Tritonio | right. Which is a problem in itself anyway... | [20:01] |
| mircea_popescu | now, none of this is very likely, especially if the items are small, but the fact remains, the model you propose is very inviting to fraudsters. | [20:01] |
| Tritonio | :-/ | [20:01] |
| Tritonio | If someone had a stolen paypal account | [20:01] |
| Tritonio | with money in it | [20:01] |
| Tritonio | could he already take advantage of it? Well I guess though that having an address to send physical items would be a big help for the thief. | [20:02] |
| mircea_popescu | well i am no expert in it, but my general feel of the matter is that there's always more paypal accts with money in it floating about than ways for the thief to get the money out. | [20:02] |
| Tritonio | so the site would be an easy way for them to turn the accounts into bitcoins. | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu | yes. | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu | basically your site would help this one class most. | [20:03] |
| Tritonio | Well an idea would be to also proxy the shipping | [20:03] |
| mircea_popescu | so unless you have some way to control this problem, it's a dubious proposition. | [20:03] |
| Tritonio | but it's not cheap | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu | maybe, as a sort of paypal escrow | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu | problem is also paypal will freeze accounts it suspects are used for bitcoin trading. | [20:04] |
| Tritonio | that way the scammer would be the one giving HIS address at the merrchant | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu | so in short, pretty much you end up as being a sort of shop for people to buy stuff with bitcoins. | [20:04] |
| Tritonio | and the merchant has no way to know will will actually end up getting the item. | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu | think about it. i want to buy bitcoins. | [20:04] |
| mircea_popescu | i have to buy X item (maybe i want more or less bitcoins ?) | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu | send it to you | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu | then you send it to Z | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu | then i get my bitcoins. | [20:05] |
| mircea_popescu | why, when there's otc and mtgox and so forth ? | [20:05] |
| Tritonio | I go on the forum and request that I need item X. You see the request, buy it for yourself, ship it to me and get the bitcoins form me. | [20:05] |
| Tritonio | I know | [20:05] |
| Tritonio | the whole point was not to get in the way of shipping the item (unles it's a game code or something) | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu | this is why people deal in moneypak as a proxy for paypal. | [20:06] |
| Tritonio | but if you also have to act as a shipping proxy then all the other ways seem easier compared to paypal | [20:06] |
| mircea_popescu | except, if i understand correctly that;'s also pretty much died. | [20:06] |
| Tritonio | what is moneypack? I've heard of it a few times but haven't even checked it ou | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu | i suspect improvements at the usd/btc interface are only going to come from large corporations now. we've done pretty much all that could be done homebrew. | [20:07] |
| mircea_popescu | i have no ideea, some sort of gift certificate i think. | [20:07] |
| Tritonio | so if I turned this into some sort of request site? Like you go online and ask for something and people will actually have to ship it to you. Would it make any sense? (of course this is not what I imagined but if it is going to be used by a few I'd still make it) | [20:13] |
| Tritonio | I'll have to think of any ways to avoid the scammers for the initial idea though. But every way I have thought of is making things harder than going to Mt Gox, which misses the whole point of doing something with the ease of PayPal. | [20:14] |
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| mcorlett | lol | [20:14] |
| Tritonio | Validating buyers would be out of the question I suppose. Not only I would have to send them registered mail (which costs) but also delays things the first time. | [20:15] |
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| Tritonio | mcorlett: lol about what? :-) | [20:15] |
| mcorlett | Tritonio: qwebirc94972 quitting. | [20:16] |
| qwebirc91555 | what? | [20:16] |
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| mcorlett | There he goes again. | [20:21] |
| mircea_popescu | so did you arrange a glorious 1k purchase with the mysterious no-bullshit man mcorlett ? | [20:28] |
| mcorlett | mircea_popescu: Sorry, I can't say. | [20:29] |
| mircea_popescu | a ok. | [20:29] |
| mcorlett | He had me sign a NDA... | [20:29] |
| mircea_popescu | wait, you signed an anonymous nda ? | [20:29] |
| mircea_popescu | which will be autoenforced by the archangel, Gabriel ? | [20:29] |
| mcorlett | He told me he had agents... | [20:30] |
| mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/132481604881.jpg here, for your trobules. | [20:30] |
| mcorlett | Romanian women? Meh. | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu | Six states (Arkansas, Arizona, Illinois, Indiana, Minnesota, and Washington) allow debt collectors to seek arrest warrants for debtors in default if all other collection methods have failed. Whether a debtor will actually be prosecuted or not varies from state to state, county to county, and town to town. The individual is taken into custody and is typically required to submit financial documentation to the courts (to facilitate seizure of a | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu | ssets or wage garnishment), although in some cases the individual may be held indefinitely until a payment plan is reached or the debt is paid in full, especially if the individual is insolvent. | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu | i didn't even know this. | [20:31] |
| mircea_popescu | and no, that girl is actually croatian. but the tit job is austrian. | [20:32] |
| mcorlett | mircea_popescu: I know it when I see it. Trust me, I'm a doctor. | [20:33] |
| mircea_popescu | know what you mean ? | [20:34] |
| mcorlett | She's /obviously/ Romanian. | [20:35] |
| mircea_popescu | lmao mkay. | [20:36] |
| mcorlett | There's that condescending attitude we were talking about. | [20:37] |
| mircea_popescu | http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/133508998118.jpg how about her ? | [20:37] |
| mcorlett | She's a Polish Jew. | [20:38] |
| mircea_popescu | she's the queen of morocco. | [20:38] |
| mcorlett | I knew that. | [20:38] |
| mircea_popescu | right. | [20:38] |
| mcorlett | Wikipedia tells me she likes to keep "a low profile". | [20:39] |
| mircea_popescu | lol | [20:43] |
| mircea_popescu | maybe it's just her condescending attitude. | [20:46] |
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| rg | wouldnt you rather marry http://www.metromatinee.com/gallery/a2434/large/Amy%20Jackson19660.jpg | [23:15] |
| mircea_popescu | no. she's guly. | [23:17] |
| rg | http://101dailynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Is-Amy-Jackson-the-new-Katrina-Kaif.jpg | [23:17] |
| rg | theres a better pic | [23:17] |
| rg | http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Zq8ecQ2Y_Ss/T2DUtm6Xm8I/AAAAAAAAKpM/8e7nsgT_6Mg/s1600/amy-jackson-005.jpg | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu | still tiny tittage on her :D | [23:20] |
| rg | who cares | [23:21] |
| rg | tits dont even do anything | [23:21] |
| mircea_popescu | they do for me. | [23:21] |
| kakobreklaa | they lactate | [23:24] |
| rg | fags | [23:39] |
| mircea_popescu | .wik fagocitosis | [23:41] |
| markac | Can't find anything in Wikipedia for "fagocitosis". | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu | well... you suck then! | [23:41] |
| mircea_popescu | http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagocitosis | [23:42] |
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| mcorlett | mircea_popescu: pirate bonds on MPEx, please! | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu | they're there ? | [23:48] |
| mircea_popescu | or you meant you wanted to short ? | [23:50] |
| rg | mircea | [23:52] |
| rg | everyone is saying your stock exchange is fake trades | [23:52] |
| rg | can you prove them wrong | [23:52] |
| rg | or give me data to prove them wrong | [23:52] |
| mircea_popescu | why should i care what "everone" is saying ? | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu | buncha loosers, can't afford 20 btc would like to be regarded as relevant. they're not relevant. end of discussion | [23:53] |
| mircea_popescu | this is a currency not a fucking social media site. | [23:53] |
| mcorlett | mircea_popescu: No, I want them. | [23:56] |
| mircea_popescu | so go buy. apparently they're back to health, trading at 111 which i find odd. | [23:57] |
| mod6 | lol fake trades?! no one can see the trades any more or less on GLBSE, or even the NYSE or CBOE for that matter. | [23:58] |
| rg | i dont understand the graphs | [23:58] |
| rg | on mopex | [23:58] |
| mcorlett | Oh, there they are. I couldn't find them. | [23:58] |
| rg | theyre ugly | [23:58] |
| mod6 | that's a different argument :D | [23:58] |
| mircea_popescu | mod6 : the glbse folks have finally figured how to calculate an average and are getting cocky or something. | [23:59] |
| mod6 | muppets as you have said :) | [23:59] |
| rg | lol i like how you make this a competition | [23:59] |
| rg | they dont even care about mpex | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu | apparently the exchange that actually publishes data is the one with the fake trades | [23:59] |
| mircea_popescu | and the people doing imaginary trades on laughable pseudo-symbols are teh legit. | [23:59] |
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