Forum logs for 04 Feb 2016
Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
| asciilifeform | achtung, panzers! | [00:04] |
| asciilifeform | second call for least-hated block cipher ??? | [00:04] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu et al ? | [00:04] |
| ben_vulpes | over my pay grade, frere | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform | you're all gonna end up with serpent | [00:05] |
| asciilifeform | at this rate. | [00:05] |
| shinohai | *sigh* | [00:05] |
| ben_vulpes | asciilifeform is so much more chatty at the new job | [00:06] |
| ben_vulpes | this is like two weeks straight of kilo+ logline days | [00:06] |
| asciilifeform | blame the folks doin' the milking | [00:06] |
| ben_vulpes | moo, moo | [00:07] |
| asciilifeform | 'we don't have a cow! we have a ~bull~...' (tm) (r) ('kingpin') | [00:07] |
| asciilifeform | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_epmoLeRGA << oblig | [00:08] |
| assbot | Kingpin (2/11) Best Movie Quote - We Don't Have a Cow (1996) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdR6pv ) | [00:08] |
| phf | aes-256 cbc? | [00:09] |
| * | asciilifeform does not particularly like aes | [00:09] |
| phf | twofish? | [00:10] |
| * | asciilifeform not overly fond of twofish | [00:10] |
| BingoBoingo | redfish? bluefish? | [00:11] |
| shinohai | gpg + ratchet ftw | [00:13] |
| phf | so in my gossipd attempt i'm basically just slinging gpg packets over the wire. have a little state machine that reads/validates openpgp packets from the wire. that doesn't work for streams though.. (in before eww) | [00:16] |
| mod6 | mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html | [00:19] |
| assbot | [BTC-dev] V [v99995] Beta - Call For Testers! ... ( http://bit.ly/1nOoTzm ) | [00:19] |
| mod6 | <+TomServo> I've finally got a node past the wedge, and there was much rejoicing << Rejoice! | [00:20] |
| mod6 | In regards to the above email section 0x04: To test this, one can simply grab polarbeard's vpatch and sig and drop them into place, then try to press the entire tree. This should hault throwing an error since the actual output hash does not match the ~expected~ output hash. | [00:24] |
| mats | looks like garza hostname belongs to a vpn | [00:24] |
| shinohai | hue | [00:28] |
| * | TomServo dusts off Applied Cryptography. | [00:29] |
| mod6 | nice | [00:29] |
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| TomServo | "My favorite algorithm is IDEA. ..yadda .yadda.. Barring extraordinary cryptanlyic news tomorrow, I am betting on IDEA today." | [00:30] |
| TomServo | fwiw | [00:30] |
| asciilifeform | TomServo: broken long ago. | [00:34] |
| asciilifeform | (also has very broad class of weak keys.) | [00:34] |
| shinohai | mine using only your dick using our unique rot2 algo | [00:34] |
| BingoBoingo | Look what makes the news on a day archive.is is having problems https://archive.is/RBGBW | [00:36] |
| assbot | Link Rot Rx: 'Amber' Add-on For WordPress and Drupal - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1QdSIQ0 ) | [00:36] |
| TomServo | asciilifeform: was it extraordinary news? | [00:37] |
| BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: Is blowfish known bad? | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: not as such | [00:37] |
| asciilifeform | but the thing is, the ~total~ lack of sound theoretical basic for ~any~ publicly known block cipher, makes the breaking of one entirely 'ordinary' news, when it happens. | [00:38] |
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| BingoBoingo | brb | [00:44] |
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| gernika | mod6: testing out v99995. I notice that if I attempt to press a non-existant v.patch, there is no error, and it goes ahead and presses *something* (seems to generate the full source in the target dir). Not sure if this is intended behavior or not. | [00:54] |
| mod6 | huh. ok. | [00:57] |
| mod6 | so you ran something like `./v.pl p v foobar non-existing.vpatch` and then something ends up in foobar? | [00:58] |
| gernika | right | [00:58] |
| mod6 | ok, thanks, i've been working on a fix for a similar thing, actually, which is related to a similar test by ben_vulpes -- but haven't completed it yet. | [00:58] |
| mod6 | I'll keep this in mind as a test case. | [00:58] |
| gernika | np. | [00:59] |
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| phf | asciilifeform: Ангстрем-3? | [01:01] |
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| mircea_popescu | [01:24] | |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> second call for least-hated block cipher ??? << fucking the least ugly girl at the party means you'll do a lot of uglies. | [01:24] |
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| mircea_popescu | phf fuck streams. | [01:25] |
| mod6 | so yah, if i can get something figured out for that bug, maybe there will be a beta2 patch. | [01:25] |
| mod6 | but not for at least a week. i need some time to look into that and to let people test the beta patch. i want to get these resolved so we can move on. | [01:26] |
| mircea_popescu | sounds fine mod6 | [01:27] |
| mod6 | thanks for your patience, Mr. P. & all. | [01:27] |
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| mircea_popescu | ahahaha Frances Kang! | [02:15] |
| mircea_popescu | where the fuck do these idiots find all the roadkill already. | [02:15] |
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| BingoBoingo | http://qntra.net/2016/02/mercedes-joins-german-carmaker-emissions-train/ | [03:26] |
| assbot | Mercedes Joins German Carmaker Emissions Train | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1PVQURG ) | [03:26] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6506 @ 0.00056983 = 3.7073 BTC [+] {3} | [05:50] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4761 @ 0.0005701 = 2.7142 BTC [+] | [05:51] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.0005701 = 5.3874 BTC [+] | [06:36] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00056888 = 1.2231 BTC [-] {2} | [06:51] |
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| jurov | mircea_popescu: qntra report sums to 8969 shares, but you sent me 384 more? | [07:16] |
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| jurov | also "18`706 S.QNTR shares issued this period." in trilema article is completely off, and total number of issued shares I know about is only 182`579 | [07:19] |
| jurov | or 183k or something like that (will doublecheck later) | [07:21] |
| jurov | oh i see "MPEx will issue twice that count of shares, allocating half to the Qntra board block, and half to the respective authors" | [07:24] |
| jurov | so that's okay, only the +384 distribution issue remains | [07:25] |
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| jurov | anyway, the rest of shares were distributed to coinbr accounts. | [07:48] |
| jurov | !up AaronvanW | [08:01] |
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| jurov | hi AaronvanW, how is the nordic system? | [08:08] |
| AaronvanW | it's supposed to be pretty sweet jurov. I'm not from a nordic country though | [08:09] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9404 @ 0.00056856 = 5.3467 BTC [-] {2} | [08:42] |
| polarbeard | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395785 << thanks, I've fixed it now, I had no idea it used sha1 by default... | [09:02] |
| assbot | Logged on 03-02-2016 22:40:15; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395522 << polarbeard seriously fix your pgp! | [09:02] |
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| shinohai | ;;later tell mod6 tested and working. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 | [09:22] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html | [09:22] |
| gribble | The operation succeeded. | [09:22] |
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| jurov | well, you should write the reports less ambuguously, then | [10:16] |
| jurov | (lol what a word) | [10:16] |
| jurov | if you subtract previous monthly report, subtract errors, too, in the same place | [10:16] |
| PeterL | ambuguous: when something is so ambiguous it has a bug hidden inside somewhere | [10:17] |
| BingoBoingo | It is a cascade of errors. I apologize. | [10:19] |
| jurov | !znc clearallchannelbuffers | [10:24] |
| jurov | huh | [10:24] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00056752 = 9.9884 BTC [-] {5} | [11:01] |
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| * | BingoBoingo after a couple more weeks of reading disappointed in latest blogpost on social engineering. Was way too charitable to historical Hegel. | [11:26] |
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| trinque | ambuguously << to the bash with thee! | [11:32] |
| BingoBoingo | Ambuguous is the right word. | [11:34] |
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| BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all --currency jpy | [11:55] |
| gribble | Bitstamp BTCJPY last: 44909.70588, vol: 9779.03317634 | BTC-E BTCJPY last: 45054.8175, vol: 10150.94149 | CampBX BTCJPY last: 43884.5625, vol: 1.37767864 | BTCChina BTCJPY last: 45370.9875, vol: 28144.16690000 | Kraken BTCJPY last: 45999.929, vol: 2.79424906 | Bitcoin-Central BTCJPY last: 45607.1399987, vol: 181.99917109 | Volume-weighted last average: 45211.8997973 | [11:55] |
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| BingoBoingo | ;;ud fupa duped | [12:28] |
| gribble | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fupa-dupe | Mar 14, 2009 ... While getting your cock sucked, the person performing the act goes all the way down to the fupa. | [12:28] |
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| ascii_butugychag | blockcipher, blockcipher, somebody gotta gimme a blockcipher | [12:39] |
| thestringpuller | good morning ascii_butugychag how is the labor camp? | [12:40] |
| ascii_butugychag | busy | [12:40] |
| BingoBoingo | thestringpuller: It's your turn to toss a blockcipher at ascii_butugychag | [12:40] |
| ascii_butugychag | fulfilling fiveyearplan! | [12:40] |
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| BingoBoingo | ascii_butugychag: At this rate mebbe just surprise us with a block cipher in obfusticated C? Make money taking bets on how long it takes for people to figure out what ciper was pulled out of the hat? | [12:44] |
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| PeterL | maybe make up our own block cypher? or just use them all in series? | [12:45] |
| thestringpuller | mother box? | [12:45] |
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| ascii_butugychag | BingoBoingo: shit ciphers are for allahsnackbars. | [12:49] |
| ascii_butugychag | !s bassomatic | [12:49] |
| assbot | 0 results for 'bassomatic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bassomatic | [12:49] |
| ascii_butugychag | ;;google bassomatic | [12:50] |
| gribble | Watch Saturday Night Live: Bassomatic Online | Hulu: |
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| ascii_butugychag | hm | [12:50] |
| ascii_butugychag | ;;google bassomatic pgp | [12:50] |
| gribble | BassOmatic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: |
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| ascii_butugychag | ^ example. | [12:50] |
| ascii_butugychag | 'amateur hour.' | [12:50] |
| BingoBoingo | ascii_butugychag: Maybe there's an Aloha Snackbar blowfish out there somewhere? | [12:52] |
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| punkman | ascii_butugychag: the keccak folks have "Duplexing the sponge: single-pass authenticated encryption and other applications" | [12:54] |
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| ascii_butugychag | punkman: fits-in-head only plox. | [12:56] |
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| punkman | does ChaCha fit in head? it did fit in those tweets | [12:59] |
| BingoBoingo | fits in tweet no guarantee of fits in head, head can overflow buffer and leak memory too | [13:00] |
| thestringpuller | BingoBoingo: this is why you need to expand working memory. easily done with stimulants or training! | [13:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | punkman: it is an example of such, yes | [13:00] |
| thestringpuller | "Is your PFC having buffer overflow issues? Expand your working memory today!" | [13:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | i like bernstein but the adoption of his blockciphers by the enemy casts darkness on them. | [13:01] |
| thestringpuller | ascii_butugychag: you would venture to mordor if it was worth the trip. | [13:01] |
| BingoBoingo | thestringpuller: After http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2016/01/24/the-theoretical-foundation-of-social-engineering-practice/ and doing some reading to get to being able to read historical Hegel started reading Hegel. Fucker's a fount of Imaginationland based socialist evil. | [13:02] |
| assbot | The Theoretical Foundation of Social Engineering Practice | Bingo Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1TGysw6 ) | [13:02] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6841 @ 0.00056486 = 3.8642 BTC [-] | [13:03] |
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| thestringpuller | BingoBoingo: " It took nitrous oxide intoxication temporarily reducing his mental faculties in a particular way to grasp the Hegelian program as its proponents did." << GIGA-L0L | [13:07] |
| BingoBoingo | !up ascii_butugychag | [13:07] |
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| thestringpuller | that part of drug induced idiocy to understand the idiots is priceless | [13:12] |
| BingoBoingo | Not necessarily an idiot, just malicious | [13:13] |
| thestringpuller | aha | [13:15] |
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| BingoBoingo | It's like software. Person puts a lot of effort into something and it still comes out turd. | [13:18] |
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| mircea_popescu | jurov oops ima take the 384 back soz. | [13:30] |
| punkman | https://competitions.cr.yp.to/caesar-submissions.html | [13:31] |
| assbot | Crypto competitions: | [13:31] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up fuc | [13:32] |
| -assbot- | You voiced fuc for 30 minutes. | [13:32] |
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| mircea_popescu | aha. | [13:33] |
| mircea_popescu | nevermind, it's one of those things. | [13:34] |
| mircea_popescu | btw, for the list of "best shit in the world only found in argentina" it's cherry season and omfg. never have i had black cherries like they have here. | [13:35] |
| mircea_popescu | i thought last year was a fluke, but nope. | [13:35] |
| PeterL | Michaigan has pretty good cherries | [13:36] |
| mircea_popescu | now that may be | [13:36] |
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| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396208 << how is this a symmetric cipher lol. it's just a clunky overimplementation of blowfish or w/e it is gpg uses. | [13:38] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 03:12:59; shinohai: gpg + ratchet ftw | [13:38] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 << wouldn't it be logic-er at this point to create a v genesis, and then add to that ? | [13:40] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu | up until the point ascii_butugychag made shiva, it made sense to refrain from multi-genesis situaiton for complaisance. but now that there's two, might as well have 3 and this one is actually useful. | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu | makes an interestingly enough bootstrapped v. | [13:40] |
| mircea_popescu | BingoBoingo so i'm reading here a 500 word opinion piece about mercedes in qntra. why ? not newsy, not bitcon-y, not funny, what is it. | [13:42] |
| BingoBoingo | mircea_popescu: Envirowank | [13:42] |
| mircea_popescu | ya, well... | [13:43] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396257 << yes because the board has half reserved. it's how cazalla got paid when he quit. | [13:44] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 10:23:40; jurov: oh i see "MPEx will issue twice that count of shares, allocating half to the Qntra board block, and half to the respective authors" | [13:44] |
| BingoBoingo | The magic pisstank turns out to be placebo when comes to NOx apparently... But I guess this is a bit much for that point. | [13:47] |
| mircea_popescu | yeh. i mean the inkling is good, but this seems a footnote in something else. | [13:48] |
| BingoBoingo | I guess it's time to start clueing regular contributors in on that stealth turn we decided on. | [13:50] |
| mircea_popescu | yeh | [13:50] |
| BingoBoingo | ;;later tell pete_dushenski when you get back we gotta have a conversation about jokes | [13:51] |
| gribble | The operation succeeded. | [13:51] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396264 << few do. just another in the long list of gotchas gpg has been gleefully suppling us with over the years. was a big thread about it coupla years ago, but not really repeated often hence. | [13:51] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 12:02:26; polarbeard: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395785 << thanks, I've fixed it now, I had no idea it used sha1 by default... | [13:51] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396273 << pretty good coinage, actually. ambuguous. | [13:52] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 13:17:04; PeterL: ambuguous: when something is so ambiguous it has a bug hidden inside somewhere | [13:52] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up anondran | [13:53] |
| -assbot- | You voiced anondran for 30 minutes. | [13:53] |
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| BingoBoingo | I think I'm going to stop reading the "Phenomenology of Spirit". I didn't get sober to import the mental version of systemd. | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396294 << this is like falling in love, you don't make one just because you need one. chaining things you don't understand for accountant's business sense reasons results in unexpected weaknesses. was a thread here about just that few months ago | [13:54] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 15:44:39; PeterL: maybe make up our own block cypher? or just use them all in series? | [13:54] |
| PeterL | I'm just brainstorming here | [13:54] |
| mircea_popescu | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396310 << intuitively, a readily reversible sponge function probably makes for a dubious strength hash | [13:55] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 15:56:22; ascii_butugychag: punkman: fits-in-head only plox. | [13:55] |
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| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag seriously, you are going too far too fast. we are not ready to do this yet. i do not wish to use, and i see no purpose of having deployed in any capacity, a block cipher that does not satisfy a) and b) and idealld d) from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1394698 | [13:57] |
| assbot | Logged on 02-02-2016 23:48:55; mircea_popescu: incidentally, thinking vaguely along the lines of making a b-a call for papers for symm cypher, what would we actually want ? i'm thinking a) block sizes of 1, 4, 16, 64 kbytes. none of that bit-denominated bs, wtf is this, 64 bits. fuck that. b) key size of 64kb fixed. c) bonus points for proved hardness, as-hard-as-x etc d) bonus points for not using just basic arithmetics. fuck thi | [13:57] |
| mircea_popescu | a "few bytes" block cipher has no practical utility. | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu | it's a toy, or at best a ready equivalent for haskell crap in a different circle jerk. | [13:58] |
| mircea_popescu | going ahead just because the horse you're on happens to want to go is how the christian knights were assraped again and again. rein it in, the horse is yours not you the horse's. | [13:59] |
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| mircea_popescu | and re bass-o-matic, note that while ineptly implemented, the origianl p.z. had the exact same intuition. it happens to be the correct posture here, with the expansion that 25 years added - back then 256bytes was a disk block iirc. | [14:04] |
| mircea_popescu | so sure, they "fixed" his error, but the wrong way. i don't want a fix for a flat tyre that consists in loading me up on a trai nthat goes a different direction. | [14:05] |
| mircea_popescu | fix MY fucking flat tyre so i go where I wanted to go in the first place., don't tell me idea is better than 2kbit bassomatic, i couldn't give less of a shit. | [14:05] |
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| mircea_popescu | give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb, today. | [14:05] |
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| mircea_popescu | jurov : done. | [14:14] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5500 @ 0.0002676 = 1.4718 BTC [+] | [14:18] |
| mod6 | <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396210 << wouldn't it be logic-er at this point to create a v genesis, and then add to that ? << Well, in short, yes. Just am aiming to get it in a good working condition and well vetted before a 'genesis'. | [14:19] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html | [14:19] |
| mircea_popescu | makes sense. | [14:19] |
| mod6 | [14:19] | |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 03:19:11; mod6: mircea_popescu asciilifeform ben_vulpes trinque shinohai et al: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-February/000209.html | [14:19] |
| mod6 | but yah, in general, it should have its own tree of vpatches. and will save me a lot of pain too :] | [14:20] |
| mod6 | I've got a local fix in place for ben_vulpes' error that he brought up: A file (of any type) exists in 'patches', and it causes V to fail ungracefully. | [14:21] |
| mircea_popescu | i think it should yea. besides, here's the beauty of it : "broken" v as previously was could nevertheless be used to bootstrap fixed v as currently it is found. you know ? | [14:23] |
| mircea_popescu | past a certain fixedness level, it can just fix itself. | [14:23] |
| mod6 | yeah, i agree. im hoping that after this round of fixes in place, that the mission-critical features are solid enough to warrent a genesis. | [14:24] |
| BingoBoingo | ;;ticker --market all | [14:24] |
| gribble | Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 386.99, vol: 10490.47254911 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 388.68, vol: 8998.20543 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 387.69, vol: 29794.89622714 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 380.0, vol: 1.36321508 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 390.229344, vol: 31426.94780000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 390.55, vol: 343.59925538 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 385.917, vol: 68.99229772 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message) | [14:24] |
| BingoBoingo | ;;more | [14:24] |
| gribble | 388.703487108 | [14:24] |
| BingoBoingo | ^ Movement! | [14:24] |
| mircea_popescu | makes sense mod6 | [14:25] |
| mircea_popescu | !up ascii_butugychag | [14:27] |
| -assbot- | You voiced ascii_butugychag for 30 minutes. | [14:27] |
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| ascii_butugychag | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396366 << realize, you and everybody else here is using aes in every pgpgram. | [14:27] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 16:57:23; mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag seriously, you are going too far too fast. we are not ready to do this yet. i do not wish to use, and i see no purpose of having deployed in any capacity, a block cipher that does not satisfy a) and b) and idealld d) from http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=02-02-2016#1394698 | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu | i don't give a shit what evereyone here does. | [14:27] |
| ascii_butugychag | this is something we're stuck with for so long as using gpg | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu | everyone here gives usg money, too. | [14:27] |
| mircea_popescu | i don;'t wish to continue using gpg. | [14:28] |
| ascii_butugychag | but with new proggy, also aes ? | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu | no. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu | new stuff is made right. that's the principle. | [14:28] |
| ascii_butugychag | i have a proggy, unreleased because dun wanna aes. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu | no matter how broken old shit is, it may be only used to bootstrap the creation of correct shit. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu | don't make NEW broken things. | [14:28] |
| ascii_butugychag | it is, or would be, quite useful, if someone would accept an answer to 'what instead of aes' | [14:28] |
| ascii_butugychag | precisely, i'd like to not make new-broken-things. | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu | tell you what, im writing this bitbet report, | [14:28] |
| mircea_popescu | after which i will write a cipher competition, and include my idea. | [14:29] |
| mircea_popescu | which isn't much of an idea, admittedly, but it's all i got. | [14:29] |
| ascii_butugychag | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396374 << sorta what bernstein tried to do. fits-in-head ciphers. | [14:30] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 17:05:32; mircea_popescu: give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb, today. | [14:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | the basic problem with ALL known block ciphers is that they are based on fairy dust | [14:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | rather than provable difficulty. | [14:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | 'this was confusing to ME' is the basis, EVERY MOTHERFUCKING TIME | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu | myeah. | [14:31] |
| ascii_butugychag | 'this is clever and i have nfi how anyone could possibly attack' is proof of ~nothing~ but the intellectual limits of the author | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu | note that this is how the "scaling bictoin" "discussion" among "experts" goes : | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu | "i have no idea why this wouldn't..." | [14:31] |
| mircea_popescu | buncha retarded children told too often they're smart and special by drunks and whores. | [14:32] |
| ascii_butugychag | but re: earlier thread, i'ma publish 'g'. and it'll have one or more of the bad old ciphers from gpg. BECAUSE gpg is ~already~ the weak link in the proposed system. or ben_vulpes doesn't get to download his w4r3z | [14:32] |
| ascii_butugychag | because i don't have 20 years to wait for discovery of good cipher. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu | no. | [14:33] |
| ascii_butugychag | what instead? | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu | this is fucking stupid, as it just cements the bad but apparently tmsr-acceptable now cipher. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu | NOTHING instead. | [14:33] |
| mircea_popescu | until this is fixed, nothing instead. | [14:33] |
| mod6 | alright, i've got a local fix for gernika's bug where it'll press the entire tree out if the given vpatch is not in the flow. | [14:33] |
| ascii_butugychag | i'll wait for mircea_popescu to cough up provably-correct cipher..? | [14:33] |
| mod6 | in this case, V will return an error stating something like this: HEAD: asdfasdfasdf not found in flow | [14:34] |
| * | ascii_butugychag surprised at how mircea_popescu puts up with 'cementing' the abominably-broken gpg set | [14:34] |
| ascii_butugychag | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396361 << i could've sworn we had a thread re: this | [14:36] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 16:53:38; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396294 << this is like falling in love, you don't make one just because you need one. chaining things you don't understand for accountant's business sense reasons results in unexpected weaknesses. was a thread here about just that few months ago | [14:36] |
| ascii_butugychag | chaining INDEPENDENT ciphers with INDEPENDENT keys cannot possibly result in added weakness | [14:36] |
| ascii_butugychag | or i could use it as cryptoanalysis | [14:36] |
| ascii_butugychag | this is rather like arguing that 'cutting a man's abdominal cavity open will weaken and kill him.' YES if we haven't invented antiseptics yet | [14:37] |
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| ascii_butugychag | and now i wonder how the fuck mircea_popescu can live with rsa | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag the example then was that the chain allows you to introduce known-weak points in a subsequent pass without being able to know it | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu | it was a problem of 0 vs "the hashed value of 0" | [14:40] |
| ascii_butugychag | unproven hardness of rsa! | [14:40] |
| mircea_popescu | that's not a concern. | [14:41] |
| ascii_butugychag | then what? | [14:41] |
| ascii_butugychag | that in particular was my concern with existing block ciphers | [14:41] |
| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag http://dpaste.com/3E88KEW | [14:44] |
| assbot | dpaste: 3E88KEW ... ( http://bit.ly/1QIx0GK ) | [14:44] |
| ascii_butugychag | hm. | [14:48] |
| ascii_butugychag | mircea_popescu: if this were so, may as well have sent the message in the clear! | [14:48] |
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| mircea_popescu | quite. | [14:49] |
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| BingoBoingo | !up ascii_butugychag | [15:01] |
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| ascii_butugychag | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396374 << if i can't encrypt a 512byte udp (or file off the protocol number as per gossipd thread) single-packet-hello turd, it's useless | [15:04] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 17:05:32; mircea_popescu: give me a 2kb replacement for bassomatic, in 1991. or a 64kb, today. | [15:04] |
| mircea_popescu | why wouldn't you be able to ? | [15:04] |
| ascii_butugychag | if block is, e.g, 64kB | [15:05] |
| ascii_butugychag | mircea_popescu knows how block ciphers work, aha? | [15:05] |
| mircea_popescu | you want a block cipher for udp packets ?! | [15:05] |
| ascii_butugychag | yes. | [15:05] |
| ascii_butugychag | otherwise stuck with pure rsa | [15:06] |
| mircea_popescu | looky : the insane 500 byte udp limit PRECLUDES good cryptography | [15:06] |
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| ascii_butugychag | which, if you include padding room, is rather questionable at 512b | [15:06] |
| ascii_butugychag | mircea_popescu: this is unproven | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu | unproven in what sense. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu | nobody filed the proof with your office ? | [15:07] |
| ascii_butugychag | in what other ! | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu | aha k. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu | will stay unproven. | [15:07] |
| mircea_popescu | what else isn't proven, that teleco standards ALSO preclude good cryptography ? | [15:08] |
| ascii_butugychag | enemy has point-to-point links. we - don't. | [15:08] |
| ascii_butugychag | we're stuck with the net. | [15:08] |
| mircea_popescu | you don't have to put the crypto layer UNDER the upd chunkage. | [15:09] |
| ascii_butugychag | you do if you want to follow the NOBODY GETS NOTHING FOR SHOWING UP principle | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu | that's an unrelated consideration. | [15:09] |
| ascii_butugychag | as discussed in the gossipd thread. | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu | for THAT you can use whatever you want. | [15:09] |
| mircea_popescu | heck, bassomatic should be good enough. | [15:09] |
| ascii_butugychag | if i can't decide friend or foe after first 512byte, then no go | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu | again : even bassomatic would work for that purpose. | [15:10] |
| ascii_butugychag | so mircea_popescu is thinking of key leakage. | [15:10] |
| mircea_popescu | nobody is spending a dollar to break a safe that holds five cents. | [15:10] |
| ascii_butugychag | wrong perspective | [15:10] |
| ascii_butugychag | it's 5 quintillion safes that hold 5cent each. | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu | it's not, no. what, you use a single key for all udp packets ever ?! | [15:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | well no. | [15:11] |
| mircea_popescu | so then. | [15:11] |
| * | ascii_butugychag sees what mircea_popescu was getting at earlier. | [15:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | incidentally, all block (and even stream) implementations in the battlefield use over-the-wire rekeying | [15:12] |
| ascii_butugychag | handily deals with 'i can get your key after X MB' | [15:12] |
| ascii_butugychag | pill is 'you never see X MB with same key' | [15:12] |
| mircea_popescu | more or less. | [15:12] |
| ascii_butugychag | new one is introduced over the wire enciphered with old one, but enemy has no idea WHEN. | [15:13] |
| mircea_popescu | more or less #2. | [15:13] |
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| altscoopbutt | http://qntra.net/2016/02/united-states-capitol-region-to-bribe-potential-repeat-criminals/ | [15:13] |
| ascii_butugychag | this is so basic that it is even beaten to death in usg standards documents for their crud, in public | [15:13] |
| assbot | United States Capitol Region To Bribe Potential Repeat Criminals | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1oa8Hbr ) | [15:13] |
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| * | altscoopbutt is now known as BingoBoingo | [15:13] |
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| trinque | ^ was just about to | [15:14] |
| trinque | guy got devoiced for some reason | [15:14] |
| punkman | https://github.com/gvanas/KeccakCodePackage/blob/master/Standalone/CompactFIPS202/Keccak-readable-and-compact.c this sponge business is interesting | [15:14] |
| assbot | KeccakCodePackage/Keccak-readable-and-compact.c at master · gvanas/KeccakCodePackage · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1oa8Uvp ) | [15:14] |
| BingoBoingo | trinque: These things happen. | [15:14] |
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| trinque | http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-january-2015-statement-2/ << also | [15:15] |
| assbot | BitBet (S.BBET) January 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1oa98m7 ) | [15:15] |
| mircea_popescu | 2 ? wtf o noes. | [15:16] |
| punkman | 2015 | [15:16] |
| mircea_popescu | aha | [15:16] |
| BingoBoingo | Eventually TMSR will get counting. Then we can have arithmetic. Eventually ciphers. | [15:17] |
| BingoBoingo | *Further eventually ciphers. | [15:17] |
| punkman | wonder what will be the biggest bbet in 2016 | [15:17] |
| mircea_popescu | so far it's trump | [15:17] |
| deedbot- | [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) January 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/bitbet-sbbet-january-2016-statement/ | [15:18] |
| punkman | should email him to bet on himself | [15:18] |
| mircea_popescu | totally. | [15:18] |
| BingoBoingo | Over this past week Rush has back off of his Trump promotion and shifted focus to the actual race between the two legit hispanic candidates. | [15:19] |
| BingoBoingo | GOP: Party of Diversity | [15:19] |
| mircea_popescu | he's toast is he. | [15:20] |
| ascii_butugychag | that there is no escape from clitler was obvious years ago | [15:20] |
| ascii_butugychag | imho. | [15:20] |
| PeterL | you don't think sanders has a chance to beat her? | [15:21] |
| ascii_butugychag | hell no | [15:21] |
| ascii_butugychag | he was put on the stage for same reason as, in last cycle, mike gravel | [15:22] |
| ascii_butugychag | 'overton endstop' | [15:22] |
| BingoBoingo | Gravel's always ran, always under 2% | [15:22] |
| PeterL | my wife is pretty sure Sanders is going to save us , I don't get it | [15:22] |
| BingoBoingo | Sanders might eat clitler's lunch like Hussein did in 08 | [15:22] |
| BingoBoingo | Clitler is probably going to have to try again in 2020 | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu | which one is sanders again ? | [15:23] |
| PeterL | the socialist | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu | ah | [15:23] |
| BingoBoingo | Vermont socialist | [15:23] |
| PeterL | to liberal to fit in with the democrats | [15:23] |
| BingoBoingo | Poorest person in congress | [15:23] |
| PeterL | *too liberal | [15:23] |
| mircea_popescu | what's liberal mean in the us anymore, retarded ? communist ? | [15:24] |
| PeterL | pretty much | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu | well which lol | [15:24] |
| PeterL | "fairness! equality! | [15:24] |
| PeterL | make the rich pay! gimme gimme gimme" | [15:24] |
| mircea_popescu | so strange, seeing how what liberal means is "o, he's raping you ? good for you! spread wider ?" | [15:24] |
| PeterL | I think liberal used to mean something different, but the term has been coopted by idiots | [15:25] |
| mircea_popescu | quite exactly what i said above, actually. | [15:26] |
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| ascii_butugychag | american politics doesn't operate on ideologies | [15:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | it is far more african than that | [15:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | operates on ~groups~, which are largely products of historical accident. | [15:30] |
| PeterL | american politics operates on idiotologies | [15:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | 'liberal' in usa means 'panders to these 17 types of losers who exist in loose coalition' | [15:31] |
| PeterL | only 17? | [15:31] |
| ascii_butugychag | ~ | [15:31] |
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| PeterL | !up ascii_butugychag | [15:32] |
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| phf | ma safe spaaace~~ | [15:34] |
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| BingoBoingo | Alright the one thing worth taking away from the "Phenomenology of Spirit" is that USSA is evil in a more profound way than USSR was most of the time. | [15:37] |
| ascii_butugychag | the hilarious part about american politicircus is that none of the groups pandered-to actually ever ~get~ so much as a bite of the carrot | [15:39] |
| ascii_butugychag | (the ~actual~ usg would not have it) | [15:39] |
| PeterL | they get token bit here and there | [15:39] |
| ascii_butugychag | not really. | [15:40] |
| PeterL | "see how that carrot tastes? elect me again or those EVIL guys are gonna take it away" | [15:40] |
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| mircea_popescu | idiotologies lol | [15:56] |
| PeterL | I used to really be into following sports and politics, at some point I realized my fervor had equally little effect on either, I am trying to cut back and ignore them | [15:58] |
| mircea_popescu | the chief disadvantage of living in a large country. | [15:59] |
| * | BingoBoingo starting to believe the materialism if anything might have made Marxism safer than what Idealism wrought in the Harvard educated. | [16:00] |
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| mircea_popescu | this is not altogether a bad theory. | [16:07] |
| mircea_popescu | idealism is generally a stupidity-amplifier in all seen deployments. | [16:07] |
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| mircea_popescu | from https://cr.yp.to/bib/online.html : "instead of signing a copyright transfer agreement. If you ever encounter a publisher that doesn't accept this, let me know, and I'll be happy to blacklist that publisher here. I'm now blacklisting IEEE and ACM." | [16:17] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1P9pWCo ) | [16:17] |
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| deedbot- | [Trilema] B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition - http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/ | [16:27] |
| mod6 | nice i threw it out there in the twat space | [16:43] |
| mircea_popescu | cool! | [16:45] |
| mircea_popescu | https://cr.yp.to/hardware/advice.html << turns out djb has a standard workstation. | [16:46] |
| assbot | Advice for computer buyers ... ( http://bit.ly/1TH0don ) | [16:47] |
| mod6 | A great idea, overall. Thanks for posting that and putting up the reward. | [16:47] |
| mircea_popescu | also open to ammendations / fixes if anyone sees anything amiss. | [16:48] |
| phf | mircea_popescu: i've been using his guide in the early 2000s, but then i think he caved and switched to laptops, because he stopped updating it. he has a recent build recommendation https://blog.cr.yp.to/20140602-saber.html from his "saber cluster" | [16:51] |
| assbot | cr.yp.to: | [16:51] |
| mircea_popescu | aha | [16:51] |
| phf | (like he has this running ubuntu on macbook air guide http://cr.yp.to/hardware/air.html) | [16:53] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/20cnPAU ) | [16:53] |
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| asciilifeform | !up ascii_butugychag | [17:05] |
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| mircea_popescu | So in re the tmsr call for papers. the Plouffe-Euler-? block cipher would work as follows : | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | you need a proper "destructive multiplication" item, which i'll discuss later, noted here º. you proceed to calculate the maxint+key to maxint+key+block digits of pi via repeated applications of the original plouffe algo, and you º the result with the plaintext message which yields the ciphered message. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | to decipher you calculate the maxint+key to maxint+key+block digits of e with a plouffe-like algo (not here included) which you º' with the ciphered message yielding the original plaintext. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | the properties which º must obviously exhibit make it only partly similar to plain multiplication - perhaps group theory may produce a good candidate, i have not currently a very clear picture of what this item should actually be, but seems like some sort of modulo-multiplicator. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | the properties which º' must exhibit may make the entire scheme unfeasible, but i can't seem to prove º' may not exist. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | notably, this scheme does not necessarily produce the correct plaintext every time. CRC will probably have to be included in the message in any case ; massaging of convenient º/º' pairs will be required to get error rates statistically under an acceptable threshold. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | the ? is obviously reserved for the name of whoever produces the damned º. | [17:06] |
| mircea_popescu | maxint in there is quite literally, maxint. currently pi is computed up to about 2*10^13 or so digits. signed 64 bit max is ~10^19 | [17:08] |
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| * | ascii_butugychag just read mircea_popescu's thing | [17:10] |
| * | mircea_popescu waves | [17:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | the danger of using transcendentals for crypto is that it opens you up to clever analogue (!) attacks | [17:12] |
| mircea_popescu | in principle, yeah. | [17:13] |
| mircea_popescu | kinda why we go deep into the shag. | [17:13] |
| ascii_butugychag | this is sort of why i'd like to take the opposite approach, rather than take a 'this looks confusing!111' item like transcendental digits, take a proven-nphard problem and 'cryptoify' it somehow | [17:14] |
| ascii_butugychag | e.g., travelling salesman | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu | also a perfectly valid approach. | [17:14] |
| mircea_popescu | the main advantage, perhaps counterin tuitively, to the PE? scheme is that it's so veryt computationally expensive. | [17:15] |
| mircea_popescu | contrary to piously fraudulent consensus in the field, expensiveness is a quality of cryptographic items. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu | it only hinders the people who want to talk about it, is all. | [17:16] |
| ascii_butugychag | to a point. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu | if someone has to expend 1 petahash every time they send me encrypted anything, that's grand. | [17:16] |
| ascii_butugychag | a 1-baud ciphertron is not very helpful in most situations. | [17:16] |
| mircea_popescu | matter of cost, not of time. | [17:17] |
| ascii_butugychag | if parallelizes. | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu | make the postage stamp as part of the encryption, as it were. | [17:17] |
| mircea_popescu | give people a perfectly valid reason to only take crypto : "i don't want to be spammed" | [17:17] |
| ascii_butugychag | btw you could achieve this right now, by handing out (disposable) crypted turds containing public key (also single-use) that you would then insist on receiving on. | [17:17] |
| ascii_butugychag | sender would have to crack the turd. | [17:18] |
| ascii_butugychag | i did this in one application. | [17:18] |
| ascii_butugychag | and the idea is, i think, old | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu | yeah but this is messier. | [17:18] |
| ascii_butugychag | !s hashcash | [17:18] |
| assbot | 8 results for 'hashcash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hashcash | [17:18] |
| mircea_popescu | how does user find which are still good and which are spent, for instance. | [17:18] |
| ascii_butugychag | you offer him a fresh one. | [17:18] |
| ascii_butugychag | (cheap for you) | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu | this means he needs to talk to you before talking to you. | [17:19] |
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| ascii_butugychag | alternatively you put'em in the blockchain | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu | protocol vs promise. | [17:19] |
| ascii_butugychag | well yes | [17:19] |
| mircea_popescu | if it costs enough to speak, these problems are solved by the very speech | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu | which is why i'd like to see much more computationally intensive cipher and encryption. | [17:20] |
| ascii_butugychag | 'fuck you, my public key is m * the next mersenne prime' | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu | something like this. | [17:20] |
| mircea_popescu | except the only paired transcendentals i know of are pi and e. | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu | hopefully that relation holds in "well defined" alt-spaces. | [17:21] |
| mircea_popescu | not that i know how ;/ | [17:21] |
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| mircea_popescu | there's a sad dearth of research in this field. we don't even klnow which of pi*e and pi+e are transcendental. etc. | [17:25] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2800 @ 0.00057008 = 1.5962 BTC [+] {2} | [17:26] |
| ascii_butugychag | sorta why i wanted to start with something we ~do~ know... | [17:26] |
| ascii_butugychag | cipher designers have a severe occupational disease, of confusing own ignorance for actual intractability | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu | this is also true. | [17:27] |
| mircea_popescu | incidentally, are you happy with the call for papers as is ? | [17:28] |
| ascii_butugychag | largely | [17:28] |
| ascii_butugychag | i'd add 'probabilistic' to the requirements, but this might be just aesthetic | [17:29] |
| PeterL | did you set a time limit for it? | [17:29] |
| mircea_popescu | nope. | [17:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | also i will add that preferring 'weird' operations, vs. simple arithmetic, costs us more than it costs the enemy. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu | what time limit. we're fucked until it's found. | [17:30] |
| ascii_butugychag | he can bake a whatever-tronic cpu. | [17:30] |
| mircea_popescu | the enemy can't bake as much as a brick. | [17:30] |
| * | ascii_butugychag happens to know that this is, unfortunately, not so | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu | understand this "can" correctly : can cargo cult tribe build any item out of straw and mud that they wish ? | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu | nope. they can only build items that look enough like the image of a plane as hashed through their culture. | [17:31] |
| ascii_butugychag | aboriginal - no | [17:31] |
| mircea_popescu | usg is aboriginal. | [17:32] |
| ascii_butugychag | captive geologists, at spearpoint - yes. | [17:32] |
| mircea_popescu | except no idea where to point the spears. | [17:32] |
| mircea_popescu | the true curse of idiots is that they think they know what they want. and they do get it, most usually. | [17:33] |
| mircea_popescu | usg can build anything it wants, and it'll never want to build anything useful. much better, more interesting shiny baubles scattered all over the field. | [17:33] |
| ascii_butugychag | usg does perfectly fine with well-specified, mechanical edifice | [17:34] |
| ascii_butugychag | e.g., 'compute bbp algo in silico' | [17:34] |
| ascii_butugychag | subcontracts. | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu | even then - prefers to buy coke and whores instead. | [17:34] |
| mircea_popescu | what's more "well specified, mechanical" than A FUCKING AIRPLANE | [17:34] |
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| ascii_butugychag | the thing about airplanes is that usg does not have so many captive welders, metallurgists, etc. | [17:35] |
| ascii_butugychag | it has to compete for those with what remains of private industry | [17:35] |
| ascii_butugychag | but cryptographers, on the other hand... | [17:35] |
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| ascii_butugychag | it is one of the few fields where usg pays Moar and provides better working conditions than actual industry | [17:36] |
| ascii_butugychag | for a degreed mathematician, or even talented amateur, the life choices are generally a) web dev b) usg. | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu | "cryptographers". | [17:37] |
| ascii_butugychag | c) change of profession d) drinik. | [17:37] |
| ascii_butugychag | *drink | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu | it also has a lot of bitcoin experts, scattered all over reditg | [17:37] |
| mircea_popescu | what's that pay ? | [17:37] |
| ascii_butugychag | mircea_popescu is seeing the skin of the snake | [17:38] |
| ascii_butugychag | and its shit | [17:38] |
| ascii_butugychag | but realize, there is ~also~ the snake | [17:38] |
| ascii_butugychag | cannot otherwise have a skin, without it | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu | note that the tsar's snake similarly was seen as the shit skin only, and look where that took the tsar! | [17:38] |
| mircea_popescu | consider just a tiny item like : https://cr.yp.to/export/dishonesty.html | [17:39] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/20JCZja ) | [17:39] |
| ascii_butugychag | what about it | [17:40] |
| mircea_popescu | now show me zhitomirsky's drunk driven tickets ? | [17:40] |
| ascii_butugychag | the legal skullduggery is sorta like wetwork | [17:40] |
| ascii_butugychag | only happens when 1,001 other conveyor steps ~failed~ catastrophically | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu | and yet there it is. | [17:41] |
| ascii_butugychag | the successes - we don't see. | [17:41] |
| mircea_popescu | if the snake was as competent as is required for a living animal, it would certainly not harry djb with inept shit of that level. | [17:41] |
| ascii_butugychag | he was being pushed into the corral. | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu | it is insulting. if i was djb and lived in su i would fucking phone stalin over this stupidity. | [17:42] |
| ascii_butugychag | and for all i know - that is where he lives now!11 | [17:42] |
| mircea_popescu | and, this is the important part, ~AND~ those dumbasses would be hanged by their foreskins. | [17:42] |
| ascii_butugychag | a wild cryptographer is as tolerable to usg as a wild nuke designer. | [17:42] |
| ascii_butugychag | hey which stalin should i phone re: ninjashotgun? | [17:43] |
| ascii_butugychag | or the derp who called me on the disconnected phone? | [17:43] |
| ascii_butugychag | (that's right) | [17:43] |
| ascii_butugychag | or the one who came by my old office disguised as 'friendly neighbour, retired blahblahblah' | [17:44] |
| ascii_butugychag | or, or. | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu | exactly. | [17:44] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2213 @ 0.00056486 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2} | [17:44] |
| mircea_popescu | ergo, no snake. | [17:44] |
| ascii_butugychag | pet sayeth, i simply haven't merited my bullet yet | [17:44] |
| ascii_butugychag | so stuck with the meat circus. | [17:45] |
| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1820 @ 0.00056356 = 1.0257 BTC [-] | [17:45] |
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| mircea_popescu | we're discussing dogvomit, not reptiles. | [17:45] |
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| ascii_butugychag | sorta funny how us is rather like an inverse su in this respect | [17:47] |
| mircea_popescu | aha. | [17:47] |
| ascii_butugychag | dogvomit execution, reptilian management | [17:48] |
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| ascii_butugychag | in su - first-class reptilian wetwork, dogvomit manage | [17:48] |
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| ascii_butugychag | the champs of recent history re: both-at-once was prolly israel. hence a dead gerald bull. | [17:49] |
| mircea_popescu | they certainly had a golden decade. | [17:49] |
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| ascii_butugychag | anyway, poor people shoot, rich - bribe. | [17:51] |
| ascii_butugychag | usg is doing a decent job of paying most qualified folks ~not~ to crypto. | [17:51] |
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| ascii_butugychag | sorta how i'm being paid, through a pyramid of derpatronic intermediaries, 'not to tmsr' for 8h/d | [17:52] |
| mircea_popescu | aha. | [17:52] |
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| mircea_popescu | this works for as long as it does, and in no case produces any airpl;anes. | [17:53] |
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| thestringpuller | ascii_butugychag: re: nuke designer. I remember reading a wired article saying that practical nuclear engineering (bombs) is a dying field since no one can technically test nuclear detonations. Most of the students who were learning from manhattan project-age engineers were learning via word of mouth. | [17:54] |
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| ascii_butugychag | thestringpuller: it is a dead field for different reason entirely. | [17:56] |
| ascii_butugychag | -- because it maxed out in 1960s. | [17:56] |
| thestringpuller | yes. but eventually knowledge to build nuke will vanish. just like sending monkeys to moon. | [17:57] |
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| ascii_butugychag | why would it vanish? | [17:58] |
| ascii_butugychag | it is on the net | [17:58] |
| ascii_butugychag | learn ru. | [17:58] |
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| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag> -- because it maxed out in 1960s. << aka "because they have no practical utility" | [17:59] |
| phf | heard similar stories about sending monkeys to moon from nasa people, a lot "research" is a large multi-cultural team trying to reverse engineer 1970s suite glove, etc. | [17:59] |
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| mircea_popescu | !up Nicknaem | [17:59] |
| -assbot- | You voiced Nicknaem for 30 minutes. | [17:59] |
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| ascii_butugychag | !s fogbank | [17:59] |
| assbot | 4 results for 'fogbank' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=fogbank | [17:59] |
| ascii_butugychag | phf ^ | [18:00] |
| phf | right exactly | [18:00] |
| Nicknaem | goodday | [18:00] |
| mircea_popescu | hello. who might you be ? | [18:00] |
| thestringpuller | ascii_butugychag: yes, saturn V blueprints are on net. lets go to moon shall we? i have 3 days off coming up. | [18:00] |
| Nicknaem | i have a weird question | [18:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | thestringpuller: this is a very 'hollywood' conception of 'blueprints' | [18:01] |
| ascii_butugychag | actual total plans for something include intermediates | [18:01] |
| ascii_butugychag | (details of metallurgy, fabrication, etc) | [18:01] |
| phf | but fogbank stories always seemed like Damascus steal, i.e. very precise and advanced, once discovered and lost, equally hard to recover. never did i think that something like glove coupling can get fogbanked | [18:01] |
| thestringpuller | ascii_butugychag: and this exists for nuke? | [18:01] |
| ascii_butugychag | the problem is that no such plans exist for ~anything~ except as part of the engineering context of their time | [18:01] |
| Nicknaem | mircea_popescu | [18:01] |
| Nicknaem | have you read nietzsche's works | [18:01] |
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| ascii_butugychag | phf: do you recall mircea_popescu's top hat ? | [18:02] |
| ascii_butugychag | !s looms destroyed | [18:02] |
| assbot | 1 results for 'looms destroyed' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=looms+destroyed | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu | sure. | [18:02] |
| phf | yes, exactly | [18:02] |
| mircea_popescu | phf needs a card printed. | [18:03] |
| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag> the problem is that no such plans exist for ~anything~ except as part of the engineering context of their time << yet another one of the problems of not running v. | [18:03] |
| thestringpuller | ascii_butugychag: if the looms are destroyed in a fire, there may be no way to reproduce exactly the same end product. | [18:04] |
| ascii_butugychag | even v users will get in trouble if we get 200 year gap where no v and no perl, etc | [18:04] |
| thestringpuller | process of rediscovery and all that jazz. | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag actually the one trouble for them is... rebasing :) | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu | this being the chief argument against that. | [18:04] |
| ascii_butugychag | nah, the trouble is always same, 'wtf did it all mean' | [18:04] |
| mircea_popescu | but you have incremental, crypto-proofed history from an earlier point. | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu | the unreliability of record being the chief reason we don;t know history today | [18:05] |
| ascii_butugychag | except that odoacer III meanwhile broke rsa and collided sha512 | [18:05] |
| mircea_popescu | and by "we" i mean you know, actulaly trained specialists in teh field. | [18:05] |
| ascii_butugychag | and now what. | [18:06] |
| mircea_popescu | ha-ha. | [18:06] |
| ascii_butugychag | or, more plausibly, the last pgptron gave up its smoke after being used in hand-to-hand combat | [18:06] |
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| asciilifeform | !up ascii_butugychag | [18:06] |
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| mircea_popescu | https://cr.yp.to/softwarelaw.html << also not a bad read. files from "the days before america turned to usg-shit and the inhabitants still entertained delusions" | [18:07] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/20JG9n7 ) | [18:07] |
| ascii_butugychag | ^ aha, pre-dmca. | [18:09] |
| ascii_butugychag | re: earlier thread: | [18:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | block ciphers are not actually necessary if we discard the speed requirement | [18:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | can abuse public key crypto | [18:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | (simply keep both keys secret) | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu | https://cr.yp.to/patents/tarzian.html << pretty good bash full of lulz. | [18:11] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/20JGu9v ) | [18:11] |
| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag still would be nice to have. | [18:11] |
| ascii_butugychag | yes but what precisely is the point of a block cipher that is slower ~and~ bulkier than abused-rsa. | [18:12] |
| phf | mircea_popescu: ok, i don't get it, about the card printed | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu | more importantly : we've done enough positive work, to be met by the imbecile's "oh it never happened, if it did we did it already" as seen most recently in reddit's digestion of the block thing ; or in phuctor etc. it's time we do something inquisitive, and let the entire world full of fucktards admit that they're useless. | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu | "oh, this is not important" blabla. | [18:12] |
| mircea_popescu | phf could have "yes, exactly" on one side and "right, exactly" on the other and you could just raise it as appropriate :D | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu | throwaway joke, really. | [18:13] |
| ascii_butugychag | the imbecilatronics will continue exactly as now until physically unplugged, i suspect | [18:13] |
| mircea_popescu | sure, but i wish to hear a bunch of "oh there's nothing wrong with tiny block ciphers - bitcoin needs larger blocks!!11" | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu | for my own personal lulzfile that i eat from. | [18:14] |
| phf | :) | [18:14] |
| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag speaking of which, this very expensive rare custom job of a server that was made to be a phuctor host is going to be paid for the 2nd idle month. | [18:15] |
| mircea_popescu | dja got a comment ? | [18:15] |
| Nicknaem | i'll be back, this isn't my final form. keep up the good work. | [18:16] |
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| ascii_butugychag | mircea_popescu: took me about that long last time iirc | [18:17] |
| ascii_butugychag | also will nitpick, not idle, hosting the #1 trbtron since day 1. | [18:18] |
| ascii_butugychag | virtually 0 downtime. | [18:18] |
| mircea_popescu | well yes but. | [18:26] |
| ascii_butugychag | but fair point, i'ma add three arms to it. | [18:29] |
| ascii_butugychag | unrelatedly, http://aleteya.cs.buap.mx/~jlavalle/papers << mega-l33337-w4r3z | [18:29] |
| assbot | Object not found! ... ( http://bit.ly/20JIkXJ ) | [18:29] |
| mircea_popescu | "Dear Ms. Tarzian: Here's another idea I've had: Weight Beaters. Weight Beaters are a method of encouraging participants to lose weight. A participant who does not lose the desired number of pounds in a month is beaten up. This negative feedback can, of course, be combined with more traditional positive-feedback weight-loss mechanisms." | [18:32] |
| ascii_butugychag | gold. | [18:33] |
| ascii_butugychag | like the legendary nazi electric shock typing tutor. | [18:33] |
| mircea_popescu | that is actually swtill the golden standard | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu | as is the ballet teacher holding a switch or light cane. | [18:35] |
| ascii_butugychag | aha, hindbrain learns. | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu | quite. besides, esp ballet, is painful by nature. | [18:35] |
| mircea_popescu | helps if you even the balance. | [18:36] |
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| thestringpuller | !up ascii_butugychag | [18:46] |
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| danielpbarron | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-02-2016#1396655 << /me went with a+d at first, and then switched to 'c' | [18:50] |
| assbot | Logged on 04-02-2016 20:37:03; ascii_butugychag: for a degreed mathematician, or even talented amateur, the life choices are generally a) web dev b) usg. | [18:50] |
| thestringpuller | danielpbarron: you did webdev? | [18:51] |
| ascii_butugychag | danielpbarron was a cryptographer ? | [18:52] |
| thestringpuller | well he is the crypto-priest of the channel. | [18:52] |
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| ascii_butugychag | mircea_popescu: http://trilema.com/2016/btmsr-block-cipher-competition/#comment-116434 | [18:57] |
| assbot | B,TMSR~ Block Cipher Competition on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/20JLM4A ) | [18:57] |
| thestringpuller | always meant to ask ascii_butugychag - what is your avatar? | [18:58] |
| thestringpuller | looks like a dinosaur | [18:58] |
| ascii_butugychag | waiwut | [18:58] |
| thestringpuller | http://www.loper-os.org/avatar.png << that thing | [18:59] |
| ascii_butugychag | thestringpuller: ever see film 'fifth element' ? | [18:59] |
| thestringpuller | yea! a classic. | [18:59] |
| ascii_butugychag | remember the 'desk elephant' ? | [19:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | the one hitler has, which emerges at the press of a button, when suction is required ? | [19:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | (he, iirc, was choking on something) | [19:00] |
| thestringpuller | AHA | [19:00] |
| thestringpuller | http://www.moviefancentral.com/images/pictures/44171/image_245923197.jpg | [19:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | that very same. | [19:00] |
| ascii_butugychag | for some reason, i came to associate him with lisp programming in my head. | [19:01] |
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| danielpbarron | thestringpuller> danielpbarron: you did webdev? << yeah, at my current gig even. Just switched from office to warehouse | [19:10] |
| danielpbarron | ascii_butugychag> danielpbarron was a cryptographer ? << notrly | [19:10] |
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| danielpbarron | i was just really really good at html css and php | [19:11] |
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| danielpbarron | and i thought ascii's avatar was an albino fancy rat | [19:12] |
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| ascii_butugychag | so, danielpbarron, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=18-11-2015#1326332 ? | [19:17] |
| assbot | Logged on 18-11-2015 14:54:26; asciilifeform: shinohai: 'i heard that ivan won a car in the lotto.' 'yes! but not ivan but piotr, not a car but an overcoat, not in lotto but at cards, and not won but lost' | [19:17] |
| danielpbarron | well you said amateur mathematician | [19:18] |
| danielpbarron | i went to college for math, even if i did drop out right before actually getting a degree | [19:19] |
| ascii_butugychag | ah l0l | [19:19] |
| danielpbarron | i made some kinda neat scripts on my own for playing with prime number patterns | [19:19] |
| ascii_butugychag | ever do the ulam spiral ? | [19:20] |
| danielpbarron | no | [19:20] |
| ascii_butugychag | http://ulamspiral.com << whaddayaknow, it has a www. | [19:20] |
| assbot | Ulamspiral.com - A visual perspective of prime number distribution ... ( http://bit.ly/20JNZwU ) | [19:20] |
| danielpbarron | i made squares of varying widths where each pixel was colored darker for each prime factor it had, the darkest pixels being powers of 2 | [19:21] |
| danielpbarron | top left corner is the number 1 and was pure white | [19:21] |
| ascii_butugychag | neato | [19:22] |
| ascii_butugychag | consider posting | [19:22] |
| ascii_butugychag | minor digression, but speaking of ulam, | [19:22] |
| danielpbarron | i don't know if i still have but i'll take a look | [19:22] |
| danielpbarron | i also coded my own i ching divination proggy | [19:22] |
| ascii_butugychag | how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? | [19:23] |
| ascii_butugychag | (and not vice-versa) | [19:23] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5745 @ 0.00056356 = 3.2377 BTC [-] {2} | [19:38] |
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| rfdf4544 | free bot for getting bitcoins http://bit.ly/BTC_BOT | [20:03] |
| rfdf4544 | free bot for getting bitcoins http://bit.ly/BTC_BOT | [20:04] |
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| shinohai | wut | [20:09] |
| danielpbarron | on a related note, there is a free bot for getting bitcoin and it's called FoxyBot and it's for Eulora | [20:11] |
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| mircea_popescu | ascii_butugychag> how many us folk realize that usa was mega-power in mid-20th ~because~ it was a place where folks like ulam wanted to live ? >> this is what i've been saying re tmsr for a while nao. finally dawned ? | [20:35] |
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| kakobrekla | and where do they want to live, in the past where all the cool beans are? | [20:40] |
| mircea_popescu | for a while for instance they wanted to live in florence, venice etc. | [20:40] |
| mircea_popescu | for a while they wanted to live in baghdad | [20:41] |
| mircea_popescu | on it goes | [20:41] |
| kakobrekla | italy lol. | [20:41] |
| mircea_popescu | no, not italy | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu | "italy" exists in the sense "the united states" exists. barely if at all. | [20:42] |
| mircea_popescu | in yet other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/a336342d056702ca27301f9c05104785/tumblr_nscknciOZ01t7zqzuo1_1280.jpg | [20:47] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1ob1Nmj ) | [20:47] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19600 @ 0.00056232 = 11.0215 BTC [-] {2} | [21:14] |
| deedbot- | [Qntra] Popescu Opens Block Cipher Competition: 10 BTC Bounty + Peerage - http://qntra.net/2016/02/popescu-opens-block-cipher-competition-10-btc-bounty-peerage/ | [21:20] |
| mircea_popescu | a barony! | [21:21] |
| mircea_popescu | pity we don't have any nubile young ladies to offer in marriage as well. | [21:21] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7221 @ 0.00057009 = 4.1166 BTC [+] | [21:29] |
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| mircea_popescu | in further similar news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/f62c510755444bbdd80bd42df46dac70/tumblr_nscknciOZ01t7zqzuo2_1280.jpg | [21:39] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3VQ7h ) | [21:39] |
| BingoBoingo | Jew http://a3.espncdn.com/combiner/i?img=%2Fphoto%2F2015%2F0701%2Fmag_body_Raisman03_RW_576x768.jpg&w=570 | [21:43] |
| assbot | ... ( http://bit.ly/20cWKh7 ) | [21:43] |
| BingoBoingo | Hegel's disgusting endgame https://archive.is/0AC4C and about that author https://archive.is/2fMRA | [22:00] |
| assbot | This is an Essay About a Fat Woman Being Loved and Getting Laid - The Toast ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Xupj ) | [22:00] |
| assbot | This is an Essay About a Fat Woman being Mean and Getting Told Off : fatpeoplestories ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Xupp ) | [22:00] |
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| BingoBoingo | Anyways, the story of the Obeast inducing vomit in a normal person has since been removed from reddit by the fee-fee police | [22:04] |
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| BingoBoingo | !up AaronvanW | [22:13] |
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| adlai | this block cipher challenge is too soon, i haven't even finished my BBCC yet | [22:14] |
| mircea_popescu | i know. | [22:15] |
| mircea_popescu | da fuck can i do, freedom and decentralization means people run away with the things! | [22:15] |
| BingoBoingo | I dunno seems like an interesting time to put it out there. Who knows what will wash up? | [22:17] |
| BingoBoingo | Maybe Perelman decides he needs some Bitcoin to try the Erdos thing? | [22:18] |
| BingoBoingo | In other news Reddit gets a girlfriend https://archive.is/Vcka4 | [22:22] |
| assbot | Me 22 M with my 23 F 6 month girlfriend, I love her and can't stand the sight of her. : relationships ... ( http://bit.ly/1S3Zu0X ) | [22:22] |
| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: played around with a few graph-theoretical approaches (in particular, max-clique problem) | [22:26] |
| asciilifeform | the real gotcha turns out to be... we don't really have hard difficulty proofs. | [22:26] |
| asciilifeform | which, yes, contradicts everybody's kindergarten textbook, but bear with me | [22:26] |
| asciilifeform | we have proof that $problem falls into, e.g., np-complete complexity class. but what we ~don't~ have is, | [22:27] |
| asciilifeform | any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. | [22:27] |
| asciilifeform | this is a subtle difference, but quite lethal. | [22:27] |
| asciilifeform | if there is anybody to whom this does not make sense - speak up! | [22:28] |
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| assbot | [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9050 @ 0.00056197 = 5.0858 BTC [-] | [22:33] |
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| phf | is because kolmogorov complexity is uncomputable | [22:53] |
| mircea_popescu | yes. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu | this is exactly ah. | [22:54] |
| mircea_popescu | phf has it. | [22:54] |
| BingoBoingo | http://epmonthly.com/article/goodbye-standard-of-care-hello-reasonable-practice/ | [23:00] |
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| assbot | Goodbye Standard of Care, Hello Reasonable Practice - Emergency Physicians Monthly ... ( http://bit.ly/1S42RVC ) | [23:00] |
| BingoBoingo | ^ related | [23:00] |
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| mircea_popescu | heh | [23:01] |
| mircea_popescu | bahamascare | [23:01] |
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| mircea_popescu | " In another variation on the theme, statisticians created the concept of a “standard deviation” realizing that samples in a data set may vary considerably." | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu | this person is intellectually unqualified to participate in any discussion. | [23:04] |
| mircea_popescu | shoo to the fields. | [23:04] |
| BingoBoingo | Update http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/#comment-44924 | [23:06] |
| assbot | Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1S43gYb ) | [23:06] |
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| BingoBoingo | 'Murican Doctor-Lawyer supposed to not be an idiot or something? | [23:09] |
| mircea_popescu | well... either way. | [23:10] |
| mircea_popescu | asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally. | [23:18] |
| mircea_popescu | when i see the "s-boxes" and schedules and bs i get this distinct "technician aspiring to be engineer" feeling. | [23:18] |
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| asciilifeform | mircea_popescu: 's-boxes' etc are the voodoo paraphernalia of the block-ciphration field, which was from its very beginning and to this day 100% hokum | [23:51] |
| asciilifeform | (in fact, the roots of all of the state-of-the-art work ~pre-date~ cook's theorem and the notion of quantifiable algorithmic complexity !) | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform | and really belong in the rubbish bin with the enigma rotor etc. | [23:52] |
| asciilifeform | quite possibly the very mission of nsa, for the decades prior to zimmerman, was to keep block cipheration alive... | [23:53] |
| asciilifeform | (and to sell it through swiss catamite intermediaries to anyone who'd buy, after the last rotor finally gave up the ghost) | [23:53] |
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| asciilifeform | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2016#1396901 << the other thing is, simplicity is sorta like sanitation. picture trying to explain 'why i do not like to swim in liquid shit' | [23:55] |
| assbot | Logged on 05-02-2016 02:18:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> any means to prove that a ~particular~ instance of that problem is not susceptible to a more efficient pill. << incidentally, this is the best argument for SIMPLE (mathematically) ciphers and cryptography generally. | [23:55] |
| asciilifeform | does there need to be a 'why.' | [23:55] |
| BingoBoingo | Last Firefox feature gone http://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/02/04/2221204/firefox-44-deletes-fine-grained-cookie-management | [23:56] |
| assbot | Firefox 44 Deletes Fine-Grained Cookie Management - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/20vikTw ) | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform | firefox died forever for me when it started leaking memory. | [23:56] |
| asciilifeform | (and selling own vulns first-looksee to usg.) | [23:56] |
| BingoBoingo | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=606655 | [23:56] |
| assbot | 606655 – Remove "Ask me everytime" cookies option. ... ( http://bit.ly/20vir19 ) | [23:56] |
| BingoBoingo | asciilifeform: The thing about turds is they can keep dying forever. | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform | this is why we have burial. | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform | and cremation. | [23:57] |
| asciilifeform | so that things do not need to 'keep dying forever' | [23:57] |
| BingoBoingo | Turd gets eaten by clover, dies forever when eaten by bunny. Dies forever when eaten by hunter. Bunny becomes turd. repeat | [23:58] |
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