Forum logs for 04 Feb 2013

Saturday, 23 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
topace yes, 100 shares on mpex = 1 unit on havelock [00:00]
mjr_ thanks topace [00:00]
Lyspooner why does assbot italicize the ask price [00:00]
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Lyspooner as opposed to the bid price [00:00]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 633 @ 0.0074 = 4.6842 BTC [-] [00:00]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (0.7853126 - 0.0073593*.95) [00:00]
gribble 0.778321265 [00:00]
Lyspooner am i supposed to put more importance on the offer side of things? [00:00]
mircea_popescu ;;calc (0.007853126 - 0.0073593*.95) [00:00]
gribble 0.000861791 [00:00]
mircea_popescu very theoretically speaking there's a 0.00086 per share arb oportunity between the two atm [00:01]
mjr_ no... [00:01]
mjr_ you didn't account for the 100 to 1 [00:01]
mjr_ i believe [00:01]
Lyspooner oh nm [00:01]
mircea_popescu i did on the 2nd pass [00:01]
smickles Lyspooner: i thought that assbot reported low / avg / high [00:01]
mjr_ ah ok [00:01]
Lyspooner ok thanks, i see that [00:01]
Lyspooner avg of what, the low and high? [00:02]
mjr_ i wasn't thinking of arbing it [00:02]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 26 @ 0.76 = 19.76 BTC [-] [00:02]
mircea_popescu Lyspooner vwap for the interval [00:02]
Lyspooner vwap as calculated tick for tick, trade by trade, or second for second? [00:02]
mircea_popescu trade by trade [00:02]
mjr_ i was just curious why they always seem to come in higher than best ask, is that automatically calculated for the size of order they asked for? [00:03]
Lyspooner what if there is no trade in 1d interval [00:03]
mircea_popescu avg is 0 [00:03]
mircea_popescu mjr_ huh ? [00:03]
mircea_popescu !ticker m o.btcusd.p330n [00:04]
assbot [MPEX:O.BTCUSD.P330N] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC) [00:04]
mircea_popescu lol kakobreklaa check it out. inconsistent behaviour [00:04]
mjr_ ;; calc 0.00760000/0.00739500 [00:04]
gribble 1.0277214334 [00:04]
smickles mjr_: you mean, the buys on havelock often come in higher than the best ask on mpex [00:04]
mjr_ they asked for s.dice at 2.7% higher than the best offer [00:04]
mjr_ yes [00:05]
kakobreklaa mircea_popescu, its the way of the road, bud. [00:05]
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smickles it's probably because havelock is trading based on a 'personal' inventory [00:05]
mjr_ that is what doesn't makes sense to me [00:05]
mircea_popescu weeks are speshul ? [00:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.007395 = 2.958 BTC [+] [00:05]
kakobreklaa i have no clue tbh. [00:05]
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smickles and only buys on mpex when out of inventory [00:05]
topace mjr_: the trades you see from havelock are BETWEEN havelock users [00:05]
mjr_ ah personal inventory held in mpex [00:05]
mjr_ oh ok [00:05]
mjr_ thanks [00:05]
topace we hold 425000 shares of SDICE in mpex, and our users trade that [00:05]
mircea_popescu mjr_ dood. you know what depositary receipts are ? [00:05]
mjr_ yes [00:05]
mircea_popescu sort of like, how bp trades in ny but is listed in london ? [00:06]
mircea_popescu something of that nature. [00:06]
mjr_ yeah i get it [00:06]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 3 @ 0.765 = 2.295 BTC [+] [00:06]
smickles topace: does your setup allow for in-kind exchange? [00:06]
mjr_ i thought these were trades between mpex users...but technically you are just reporting informative trading information from havelock users, correct? [00:06]
mircea_popescu you know i don't run or maintain assbot do you ? [00:07]
mjr_ ie. that is more market data [00:07]
topace smickles: in kind exchnge? [00:07]
smickles mjr_: assbot is run by kakobreklaa independant of mpex [00:07]
mjr_ oh, was not aware [00:07]
mircea_popescu yeah. i just troll here. [00:07]
kakobreklaa assbit us assdependant. [00:07]
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kakobreklaa eh assbot [00:07]
mircea_popescu lrn2spill. [00:07]
smickles topace: say i had 100000 s.dice, can i give you them for 1000 sdice on havelock? [00:07]
topace Units of the fund ARE convertible to shares on MPEX at 1 unit = 100 shares PUSHED to your MPEX account for a fixed fee of 10 BTC per transfer (fee subject to change). Contact us by email to initiate a transfer. [00:08]
smickles (so many mispellings) [00:08]
mircea_popescu he's talking the other way topace [00:08]
topace ah yes, never though tof that, but yes i dont see why not [00:08]
mircea_popescu cause he wants to arb lol [00:08]
topace but again, for a fairly large, per-trasnaction fee, becuase that would be all manual on my side [00:08]
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mjr_ yeah defintely wouldn't be worth it for arb lol [00:09]
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mjr_ thanks for explaining though [00:09]
mircea_popescu awww i remember the good old days when there were only a few new accts a day ;/ [00:09]
mjr_ i was just always confused why they wouldn't lift the ask [00:09]
topace the original thought process of making the units convertable, was tha tpeople might start buying on havelock with a low initial investment, and build up to the point that it'd be worth it for them to stop paying our 5% management fee and move their units direct to mpex [00:10]
smickles topace: why not lower the fee, and limit it by requireing large volume? [00:10]
topace smickles: i could do that too, im open to suggestions [00:10]
mjr_ as mircea_popescu calculated...it would be very hard to overcome practically any fee [00:10]
mjr_ i think [00:11]
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mjr_ i should have done math before i say that [00:11]
smickles hey mjr_, wanna borrow a crapload of s.dice to arb with :) [00:13]
mircea_popescu .0008 is close to 10% [00:13]
mjr_ lol [00:13]
mjr_ i was just doing that math [00:13]
Bowjov btctalkdown? [00:13]
mircea_popescu Bowjov it was down a fwew hours ago [00:13]
Anduck yes [00:13]
Anduck hey umm [00:13]
Anduck how much s.dice paid total div? [00:14]
Anduck and how much per share [00:14]
mjr_ so i guess it would even make sense at current fees if you transferred enough [00:14]
mircea_popescu like 2k total Anduck [00:14]
mjr_ 2000 [00:14]
Anduck 2000? hmmm [00:14]
Bowjov 1700 the month before [00:14]
Anduck ok [00:14]
Bowjov and less before that [00:14]
Anduck yeah [00:14]
mjr_ still not bad [00:14]
mircea_popescu ya like 5k total over lifetime [00:15]
Bowjov also shares appreciated over the past month.. it was 0.xx32->0.0075 today [00:15]
smickles 2000 to 10000000 [00:15]
smickles shares, right? [00:15]
mjr_ thanks smickles but i think i should build up WoT before doing anything like that [00:15]
mircea_popescu to 10mn [00:15]
mircea_popescu im not gonna count your zeroesmess :D [00:15]
awkorama does anybody here use mt.gox socket.io interface ? [00:15]
smickles heh, i thought you loved satoshis mircea_popescu ;) [00:15]
mircea_popescu awkorama it's how clarkmoody works is it ? [00:15]
awkorama no idea what clarkmoody even is [00:16]
mjr_ thats what i was thinking...but i think it has a fallback too... [00:16]
mjr_ bitcoin.clarkmoody.com [00:16]
awkorama judging from the console down, yes [00:16]
smickles awkorama: i have in the past, but it was flakey for me [00:16]
mircea_popescu so there's yopuir answer [00:16]
smickles so i stopped [00:16]
mircea_popescu in general when forum is down gox is down [00:16]
mircea_popescu cause that 5k server they have is shared. [00:16]
Anduck lol...7 [00:17]
awkorama so are you hammering the REST interface instead ? [00:17]
Anduck why dont they have separate servers... [00:17]
awkorama I need a live(ish) stream of ticker [00:17]
mjr_ speaking of which, do you have any api limits mircea_popescu? i can slow down my bot if you like [00:17]
mircea_popescu Anduck a better question is, why doesn't the forum use some of that 5k btc it has collected over the years [00:17]
mircea_popescu and get some motherfucking hosting [00:17]
mircea_popescu mjr_ you have a bot ? [00:17]
mjr_ could use bitvps [00:17]
mjr_ just to check prices [00:17]
Anduck too much asked xDD [00:17]
Bowjov it goes to theymos' personal fund.. in which he replenishes those btc he sold at a rate of 1k btc per dollar [00:18]
mircea_popescu mjr_ so use somethingsensible, not like they change that often [00:18]
mjr_ i showed the output, it calculates spread based on lowest ask and highest bid [00:18]
mjr_ so i am just grabbing the jsonmarket depth [00:18]
smickles awkorama: i switched to something that doesn't require me to be 'up to the second' on gox [00:18]
mircea_popescu how often ? [00:18]
mjr_ i think once every 3 seconds? [00:18]
mjr_ is that too much? [00:19]
mircea_popescu do you actually need it that precise ? [00:19]
mjr_ well not now... [00:19]
mjr_ i will slow it down [00:19]
mjr_ but if it were to place orders i would like it to be as precise as possible [00:19]
awkorama smickles: I understand that you don't want to share your secret... [00:19]
mjr_ moreso to check stat [00:19]
mircea_popescu so watch some ticker and update when it moves [00:19]
mjr_ good idea [00:20]
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smickles awkorama: no secret, i've moved to trading options on mpex, rather than spot on gox [00:20]
mircea_popescu lol smickles that's what all the cool kids do [00:20]
awkorama oh ok, doesn't help me then, thanks anyway :) [00:20]
mjr_ spot is way too hard [00:21]
mjr_ because of fees [00:21]
smickles awkorama: your best bet, afaik, is to use the websocket api, and failover to rest [00:21]
mjr_ and you have to leave money all over the place for long periods of time [00:21]
awkorama as in, if I don't receive a websocket update in 10 seconds, hammer the REST ? [00:21]
smickles awkorama: maybe have a redundency with bitcoincharts' stream (if they still have it) [00:21]
mjr_ i wish someone had multicast market data, that would be so nice [00:22]
awkorama you reckon they would have a different source than me ? [00:22]
awkorama pubnub it ? [00:22]
smickles bitcoincharts might get lucky where you don't [00:22]
smickles 's my logic [00:23]
awkorama mmkay [00:23]
mjr_ i will try to integrate an rss feed reader...i think, that could work right? which would be the first to update? [00:24]
smickles mjr_: ever lurked in #bitcoin-market? [00:24]
mjr_ in there now [00:24]
mjr_ but this is the funnest of all the btc related rooms [00:24]
smickles that's kinda multicast market data [00:24]
awkorama and now for something completely different, is there a concept of NDA in bitcoin world at all ? [00:25]
mjr_ yeah...kinda...i meant more like tcp multicast ie. i can join a group [00:25]
smickles awkorama: yes [00:25]
Bowjov the only thing i want from bitcointalk is doog's data [00:25]
Bowjov >_> [00:25]
mjr_ awkorama: nice rocky and bullwinkle reference :) [00:25]
awkorama smickles: how does it work ? [00:25]
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smickles awkorama: either with a wink and a nod, or contracts [00:26]
smickles from my personal exp., that is [00:26]
mjr_ contracts are enforced through WoT right? [00:26]
smickles yup [00:26]
Bowjov Has anyone ordered from Avalon batch no.2 successfully? [00:27]
mjr_ hmmm difficult with NDA then...you probably are trying to assure they don't tell someone outside of here (i am assuming) [00:27]
awkorama not tell anyone [00:27]
awkorama not even people here [00:27]
mjr_ well yeah, if they told people here you may be able to find out about it [00:27]
smickles mjr_: you could set up the contract in such a way that it's enforceable 'IRL' [00:27]
awkorama IRL sucks, WoT sounds much better [00:28]
mjr_ if they told someone who they new IRL, how would you find out that they new? I am guessing you have abusiness idea [00:28]
Bowjov *knew [00:28]
awkorama yes, and I am looking for an investor [00:28]
mjr_ yes lol, me too [00:28]
mjr_ and we could have the same idea [00:28]
kakobreklaa and it might suck. [00:28]
mjr_ it would be very hard to show that the person you told, then told me [00:29]
smickles mjr_: consider how often that could happen with 'regular' NDAs [00:29]
mjr_ that was more my point [00:29]
smickles heh [00:29]
mjr_ NDA is very hard to enforce [00:29]
mjr_ except in issues of code [00:29]
awkorama it can harm someone's reputation though [00:29]
mjr_ true [00:29]
mjr_ i have already said my idea on here publicly [00:30]
awkorama I wonder whether that can be enforced through cryptography somehow [00:30]
mjr_ if someone else does it that is fine too [00:30]
mjr_ it's tough, if they are intended to receive the message...they can retransmit it's cleartext [00:30]
awkorama yes they can, but can i then proove that they got the message from me ? [00:30]
mjr_ and that is the end of the scope of encryption...i have been thinking about that a lot lately, the inability to create an unrepeatable message [00:31]
awkorama and thus harm their reputation [00:31]
mjr_ no...not in any way i can think of [00:31]
smickles there are fancy ways of embedding hidden data in documents [00:31]
mjr_ because they could call someone, and just verbally tell the idea [00:31]
mjr_ this same issue is what started SnapChat [00:31]
awkorama ok.. I write my business idea in a message [00:31]
mjr_ but they ran into issues right away [00:31]
mjr_ because you can take a screenshot [00:32]
mjr_ so they added a feature to check if you took a screenshot [00:32]
mjr_ so people can take picture with other device... [00:32]
jurov CoinBr.iDiff-E difficulty future now available from ฿0.040! Buy till it lasts :D [00:32]
jurov on bitfunder [00:32]
smickles when's e mature? [00:32]
mjr_ messages by their very nature are repeatable...even if on other medium [00:32]
jurov Feb 20 [00:32]
mjr_ so that's what makes it tough [00:33]
smickles ;;bc,diff [00:33]
gribble 2968775.3320751 [00:33]
awkorama and send the hash of that message to whole network [00:33]
mjr_ no i get it, you could do that [00:33]
awkorama or rather to whole WoT [00:33]
mjr_ but they could read it out loud to someone [00:33]
awkorama then I send it plaintext to investor [00:33]
mjr_ and how would you verify that what the person HEARD was related to what you WROTE [00:33]
awkorama and if the investor implements it without me, I can proove that he broke the NDA [00:33]
Bowjov bitcointalk is now back on [00:34]
Bowjov GG [00:34]
smickles lol, gg [00:34]
awkorama well the project would be discribed in detail [00:34]
kakobreklaa dont forget you maxitrol drops. [00:34]
awkorama so it get be publicly identified if it went live [00:34]
mjr_ i guess the problem in this case specifically would be in that yes if he implemented it EXACTLY as you had specified, you could sue [00:34]
mjr_ but if he says he was "inspired by" or it was "similar to something i was already doing"...that is what makes it a gray area [00:35]
smickles a public hash of the idea, and proof you talked to the scammer. [00:35]
mjr_ look at facebook, zuckerberg and the winklevoss [00:35]
awkorama well.. then the WoT would decide whether he broke the NDA or not [00:35]
mjr_ yes [00:35]
awkorama the grey area is not something I would decide [00:35]
mjr_ i would say that a picture with a timestamp, or something like that is proof as well [00:36]
mjr_ or mail it to yourself [00:36]
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mjr_ or email it to someone secure so they have a record of it being emailed at a certain date and time [00:36]
awkorama yeah, but checksum is enough in this case [00:37]
mjr_ ... [00:37]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [HIM] 2 @ 14.9 = 29.8 BTC [+] [00:37]
mjr_ if he decides to post your exact plan [00:37]
mjr_ then yes you can verify with checksum [00:37]
mjr_ but if he changes the name on it... [00:37]
mjr_ the checksum would no longer match [00:37]
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mjr_ so if he decided to share with other people your exact idea, and not even bother taking your name off it and replacing it with his own, you could prove that he was using your idea [00:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 4 @ 0.3099 = 1.2396 BTC [-] [00:38]
mjr_ plagiarists rarely do that, haven't we all kinda paraphrased stuff for our papers after copy pasting? [00:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2 @ 0.0075 = 0.015 BTC [+] [00:38]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 1098 @ 0.0075 = 8.235 BTC [+] [00:38]
awkorama mjr_: no.. because if he implements the project, it would be public [00:39]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 5 @ 1 = 5 BTC [+] [00:39]
awkorama and then I can publish the plaintext prooving that it was indeed me who created the idea in the first place [00:39]
mjr_ yes [00:39]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 50 @ 0.01 = 0.5 BTC [+] [00:39]
mjr_ that is if his idea is so closely related to yours that it is provably the same [00:39]
mjr_ and that is why NDA is hard [00:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.765 = 7.65 BTC [+] [00:40]
mjr_ ie. could someone have come up with this on their own? [00:40]
awkorama yes, but that is NDA in general, not in virtual [00:40]
awkorama world especially [00:40]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 2690 @ 0.0075 = 20.175 BTC [+] [00:40]
mjr_ remember...newton and leibniz "invented" calculus pretty much simultaneously [00:40]
mjr_ separately [00:40]
mjr_ so... [00:40]
awkorama anybody can come up with idea, nobody really implemented it (or so does google tell me) [00:40]
mjr_ yeah i know [00:41]
mjr_ so if he implements it...he can say, i had this idea [00:41]
mjr_ again it is a judgement call [00:41]
mjr_ i am just playing devil's advocate [00:41]
awkorama and you are right [00:41]
mjr_ this is a huge debate [00:41]
mjr_ intelectual property is one of the fastest growing areas of law [00:41]
awkorama as a member of pirate party, I would know [00:42]
mjr_ and one of the hardest to actually decide [00:42]
awkorama anyway [00:42]
mjr_ for example...is it that unique to do my idea? (no one has done it yet) [00:42]
mjr_ i think it's obvious to me [00:42]
awkorama maybe I just hack some code together quickly and push it live without an investor and then arange an IPO to raise some starting funds [00:43]
awkorama e.g. going public with the idea but calling out to pool of investors [00:43]
mjr_ IPO is tough in btc world [00:43]
awkorama is it ? [00:43]
mjr_ i like your idea [00:43]
mjr_ well... [00:43]
mjr_ IPO will probably involve SEC [00:43]
mjr_ (almost definitely is actually more accurate, except for a few loopholes) [00:43]
awkorama IPO on MPEX ? [00:43]
mjr_ oh, no [00:44]
mjr_ never mind [00:44]
mjr_ in that case great idea and i would do that [00:44]
mjr_ thought you meant investors in the sense of venture capital firms [00:44]
mjr_ or angel investors [00:44]
awkorama no.. I want to keep this all on net, no country involved [00:44]
mjr_ coinbase got 600k and they went through YCombinator [00:44]
mjr_ and i like that style a lot [00:45]
mjr_ i would like to do mine that way, but it wouldn't really work [00:45]
mjr_ and in my opinion, coinbase did not do anything new [00:45]
mjr_ online wallet and very limited exchange with bank linking [00:46]
mjr_ great UI though, and they made it easier [00:46]
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awkorama doesn't anyone just use bootstrap.js for ui ? [00:46]
awkorama (I do, anyway) [00:46]
mjr_ lol [00:46]
awkorama :) [00:46]
mjr_ very true L33T css3 rounded corners and drop shadows [00:47]
mjr_ yeah i like bootstrap and jquery [00:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0098 BTC [-] [00:47]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 1 @ 0.0098 BTC [-] [00:47]
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awkorama Also this is the first project I went js only (including server side), so I realized how much I suck at js :) [00:48]
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mjr_ ooh nice, node.js? [00:48]
Bowjov according to BFL, I can still get an asic if I win their "lottery" system, even if I pre order today? [00:48]
awkorama yes [00:48]
mjr_ awesome [00:48]
mjr_ i really like that [00:48]
awkorama multiple node.js instances communicating with each other through rabbitmq. [00:48]
mjr_ also super awesome [00:48]
mjr_ i think that is the future [00:48]
mjr_ event driven [00:49]
awkorama well.. my application is very event driven [00:49]
awkorama but I have zero pulls in it [00:49]
awkorama everything is pushed [00:49]
mjr_ what db? mongo? [00:49]
awkorama postgre [00:49]
mjr_ that's cool [00:49]
awkorama I am not very skilled with nosql, yet [00:49]
awkorama so wanted to go the safe way [00:49]
mjr_ me neither, but luckily, it is very (almost exactly) js [00:50]
mjr_ it's all just json in mongo [00:50]
awkorama Also I am not sure about mongo supporting arbitrary precision mathematics [00:50]
mjr_ yeah that i don't know [00:50]
awkorama I mean datatypes in general suck in js [00:50]
mjr_ i think you can set precision can't you [00:50]
mjr_ but i personally hate strongly typed so you may be talking to the wrong person about that [00:50]
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awkorama if it's just js Number type then NO [00:51]
awkorama because that is just 64 bit float [00:51]
mjr_ is that not more than enough precision? [00:51]
awkorama no [00:51]
mjr_ ... [00:51]
awkorama 132.32 * 10 = 1323.199999 [00:52]
mjr_ 1.0000000000000002 [00:52]
awkorama so not ideal [00:52]
mjr_ smallest 64 bit number greater than 1 [00:52]
awkorama when dealing with stuff like money [00:52]
mjr_ 15 decimal places? even btc only goes down to 8 [00:53]
awkorama I would be happy with two [00:53]
awkorama but no rounding, doing proper decimal calculations [00:53]
mjr_ https://github.com/iriscouch/bigdecimal.js this may help [00:54]
mjr_ i have no idea [00:55]
mjr_ but just a quick glance [00:55]
mjr_ no float is ever really accurate in the grand scheme of things [00:55]
awkorama yes, but what about storage [00:55]
mjr_ more philosophically than in practice [00:55]
mjr_ hmmm [00:56]
mjr_ not sure [00:56]
awkorama mongo wouldn't be able to compare such numbers in where clause [00:56]
awkorama that's why I went with postgre [00:56]
awkorama so at least my data will be fine, even though my front-end right now does not deal in decimals [00:56]
mjr_ well, one possible solution is to calc the decimal portion as an integer and then append it to another int [00:57]
mjr_ using casting [00:57]
mjr_ or something like that [00:57]
mjr_ may not work [00:57]
mjr_ but i think using tuples of numbers ie. int + float could be a possible solution [00:57]
smickles ;;bc,24hprc [00:58]
gribble Error: I tried to send you an empty message. [00:58]
mjr_ anyway, you should check out angular.js...i want to do my next web project using that [00:58]
mjr_ i love it [00:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.765 = 11.475 BTC [+] [00:59]
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mjr_ i was talking to jurov of how cool it'd be to build a really nice browser based trading platform [00:59]
mjr_ with hot keys and everything [01:00]
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awkorama sounds nice [01:01]
awkorama be sure to make it "mobile first" [01:01]
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smickles lol, ok, time to start coding a backup way to get the overall market 24hvwap [01:01]
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mjr_ hmmm [01:03]
mjr_ i think mobile would be too restrictive [01:03]
mjr_ i mean for trading at least [01:03]
awkorama what do you need for trading? [01:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 670622 @ 0.0007 = 469.4354 BTC [+] [01:03]
awkorama position list with pnl [01:03]
mjr_ i would want charts from clark moody and depth of book, with prints (if it could get market data from mpex instead of mt. gox) [01:04]
awkorama charts [01:04]
mjr_ yes, and then i would want hot keys [01:04]
mjr_ as well as a positions window [01:04]
awkorama gestures on mobile [01:04]
mjr_ and a stock list [01:04]
mjr_ that could work [01:04]
awkorama and then add hotkeys for desktop version [01:04]
mjr_ but i would say angular is great for this sort of thing [01:04]
mjr_ and node.js in the back [01:04]
awkorama and socket.io in between [01:05]
awkorama or pubnub if you go large [01:05]
jurov why can't one use ints exclusively? and rounded floats only for display? [01:05]
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awkorama jurov: that might work, you need to remember for each column though, how many decimal places you have there [01:06]
awkorama and also choose it at the beginning of development [01:06]
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jurov kakobreklaa: assbot down. i'm sure there's serious activity on s.mpoe atm [01:06]
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mjr_ looks like we are rallying once again [01:08]
jurov kako i suspect you. really looks like you turn the light off, did the trades, started assbot again [01:08]
awkorama alright guys, leaving for today, nice chatting to you, g/n [01:08]
mjr_ yeah very fun awkorama good luck [01:08]
mjr_ i for one think i am going to start using satoshi's as my unit [01:09]
mjr_ decimals get way too hard to remember cuz we don't really have a great way to say numbers like that [01:09]
mjr_ like saying S.DICE is at 724,159 satoshis [01:10]
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mjr_ is a lot easier than 0.00724159 [01:11]
mjr_ how would you pronounce that [01:11]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.765 = 7.65 BTC [+] [01:12]
mjr_ and i think humans are meant to think in integers...if i said give me a hundred million satoshis, and you said ok i'm gonna charge you 500 for the transfer or 50,000 for the transfer it's a lot easier for me to make sense of the terms, cuz they are the same way you would say them [01:13]
jurov 7241.59 microbitcoins [01:13]
mjr_ i like that too [01:13]
mjr_ micro is how many places? [01:14]
mjr_ oh never mind i think i get it...a microbitcoin would be the equivalent of a dollar (2 decimals) [01:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00069116 = 0.4147 BTC [-] [01:15]
mjr_ jurov: that would be one nice thing about a trading platform...you wouldn't have to type so many nubmers [01:16]
jurov one-click price setting - patent pending for coinbr [01:17]
jurov haha [01:17]
jurov kakobreklaa: assbot is definitely missing trades [01:18]
jurov see live.coinbr.com [01:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0249 BTC [+] [01:18]
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thestringpuller jurov is lying [01:20]
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jurov !ticker m s.mpoe [01:21]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00066214 / 0.00068429 / 0.0007 (3568671 shares, 2,442.02 BTC), 7D: 0.00063335 / 0.00066702 / 0.0007 (14253174 shares, 9,507.24 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065922 / 0.0007 (58426262 shares, 38,516.32 BTC) [01:21]
error4733 !ticker m s.dice [01:22]
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assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00703438 / 0.00736168 / 0.007395 (228303 shares, 1,680.70 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00731648 / 0.00749999 (709727 shares, 5,192.71 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00511159 / 0.0075 (6083409 shares, 31,095.93 BTC) [01:22]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 9 @ 0.35 = 3.15 BTC [+] [01:31]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0007 = 17.5 BTC [+] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 415 @ 0.0072416 = 3.0053 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 385 @ 0.0072132 = 2.7771 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 50 @ 0.0072132 = 0.3607 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 600 @ 0.00069116 = 0.4147 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0007 = 4.2 BTC [+] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7800 @ 0.00069754 = 5.4408 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00069754 = 7.3242 BTC [-] [01:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.0007 = 3.15 BTC [+] [01:38]
pizzaman1337 kakobreklaa: did you code assbot? where does it get it's data from for MPEX? (rss?) [01:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18479 @ 0.00069002 = 12.7509 BTC [-] [01:39]
pizzaman1337 its* [01:41]
smickles mpex either grandfathered into assbot pulling from mpex's twitter feed, or mp has upgraded to pushing to assbot [01:42]
Bowjov Guys, I will glue my recently deceased iPod touch on the ground in front of walmart and record video of people trying to pick it up [01:43]
smickles *note: i gould be completely wrong [01:43]
smickles Bowjov: when :) [01:43]
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Bowjov when my buddies are free. ill get on his car and record it from a distance [01:44]
Bowjov I'll put it on youtube and stuff [01:44]
Bowjov lol [01:44]
smickles How do you plan to secretly glue it? pretend to just be sitting on the ground while actually sitting on the ipod while it bonds? [01:45]
mircea_popescu it pushes to assbot [01:45]
Bowjov I will put the ipod face down yeah, I can step on it while it binds [01:45]
mircea_popescu switched a few weeks ago, was announced here too [01:45]
Bowjov I'll put it at a sidewalk so that not too many people will see it [01:46]
mjr_ i like coinbases locking in your price (can't use my money but at least i'm not losing it) [01:49]
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mjr_ and i meant can't use it cuz of four day clearing over the weekend [01:49]
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pizzaman1337 mircea_popescu: is there a public-facing API that streams MPEX trades? [01:50]
mircea_popescu other than twitter and assbot no [01:50]
mjr_ i didn't know you worked on mpex agent smickles [01:51]
mjr_ very cool [01:51]
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mjr_ i really like you guys code a lot [01:58]
smickles mjr_: did I? [01:58]
smickles i did a little for pympex [01:59]
mjr_ saw something by you (i think) on github [01:59]
mjr_ yeah, that is used in mpexagent [01:59]
smickles oh, i forked it and played with the code a little [01:59]
mjr_ but looks really cool [01:59]
jurov pizzaman1337, there is rss on mpex.co [02:00]
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jurov not exactly streaming but i found it most reliable [02:00]
smickles !ticker m s.mpoe [02:00]
mjr_ by the way, has anyone tried github for windows? [02:00]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00066495 / 0.00068502 / 0.0007 (3488379 shares, 2,389.64 BTC), 7D: 0.00063335 / 0.00066713 / 0.0007 (14293199 shares, 9,535.52 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065926 / 0.0007 (58477262 shares, 38,551.76 BTC) [02:00]
pizzaman1337 jurov: I saw that, was hoping for something streaming [02:00]
mjr_ its kinda awesome i have to admit [02:00]
mjr_ the rss feed would be xml? [02:00]
jurov yes [02:00]
mjr_ hate mixing json and xml... [02:01]
jurov how would you mix it? [02:02]
mjr_ i mean accepting one feed from xml and one feed from json [02:02]
mjr_ and having to parse both [02:02]
mjr_ like depth of book is offered as json [02:03]
mjr_ and executions are xml [02:03]
mjr_ :-/ [02:03]
jurov you just call rss parser library in one line [02:03]
jurov no fuss [02:04]
mjr_ tbh i haven't used much xml, but is it as easy to get objects? [02:04]
mjr_ it spits out a python object? [02:04]
mjr_ or a dict... [02:04]
jurov yes, a nested dict [02:04]
mjr_ oh ok cool [02:04]
mjr_ i guess it won't be that hard [02:05]
jurov i can send you mpexrss.py sample [02:05]
mjr_ oh thanks [02:05]
jurov where? [02:05]
mjr_ maximojoshuarossi@gmail.com [02:05]
mjr_ lol, i care a LOT about anonymity [02:05]
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mjr__ i have been disconnecting randomly [02:08]
mjr__ i don't know why [02:08]
jurov sent [02:09]
mjr__ thanks [02:09]
mjr__ i guess you can get your own stuff with a statjson [02:09]
mjr__ right? [02:09]
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mjr__ but if you want to see all executions you have to go to rss [02:10]
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mjr__ i didn't quit [02:11]
jurov right [02:11]
mjr__ oh lol, that was my old nick that dc's [02:11]
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mjr_ i'm definitely gonna need to get some orders in on thursday i think [02:12]
mjr_ i will be using coinbr [02:12]
jurov bitcoincharts down now for a change [02:12]
jurov like, are mtgox/bitcoincharts/blockchain on the same hw? [02:13]
jurov bitcoin decentralization ftw [02:13]
mjr_ thats what i call redundant [02:13]
mjr_ lol [02:13]
mjr_ i'm surprised that mt. gox at least doesn't have a cluster [02:13]
mjr_ vmware can literally not miss a ping if a server blows up [02:14]
mjr_ so, still not sure how you send orders on coinbr...is it manual? or does the web interface appear once funded [02:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24800 @ 0.0007 = 17.36 BTC [+] [02:19]
jurov mjr_ yes once funded, "new order" link appears [02:21]
mjr_ ah ok cool [02:21]
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jurov i put link to screenshots on frontpage [02:21]
mjr_ look forward to it [02:21]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0249 BTC [+] [02:21]
mjr_ i may try one of those cash things like bitinstant on monday [02:21]
mjr_ can't wait till thursday lol [02:21]
jurov mjr_, are you going to fund today? since i'm preparing to haul stuff to mpex [02:22]
mjr_ no, thursday at the latest [02:22]
mjr_ but if i can find a way to get btc tomorrow i am going to [02:22]
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DeadWeasel apparently that was not allowed. you just go on, mjr_ [02:25]
DeadWeasel :) [02:25]
mjr_ what was not allowed? [02:25]
DeadWeasel i think I just got booted [02:26]
DeadWeasel not sure why [02:26]
DeadWeasel srsly though, how have you maintained this level of interaction continuous throughout the day? [02:27]
DeadWeasel i'm amazed [02:27]
DeadWeasel mostly jealous [02:27]
DeadWeasel dinnertime [02:27]
mjr_ mostly bored, and this is the most interesting thing i have found in a very long time [02:28]
mjr_ i have some really big plans [02:28]
mjr_ lol i just found girls go bitcoin [02:29]
mjr_ i did not know that there were girls who knew what they were hahaha [02:30]
mjr_ i'm just kidding [02:30]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+] [02:38]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+] [02:40]
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jurov okay, goodnight [02:46]
kakobreklaa cya [02:47]
jurov oh kakobreklaa did you resolve the probs with assbot? [02:48]
kakobreklaa i thought i already did. [02:48]
jurov heh [02:50]
mircea_popescu !ticker m s.mpoe [02:51]
assbot [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00066495 / 0.00068533 / 0.0007 (3522396 shares, 2,414.00 BTC), 7D: 0.00063335 / 0.00066731 / 0.0007 (14324786 shares, 9,559.11 BTC), 30D: 0.00059445 / 0.00065932 / 0.0007 (58486207 shares, 38,561.60 BTC) [02:51]
mircea_popescu ok so [02:51]
mircea_popescu the old vwap was just replaced with a new, much faster, lighter version [02:51]
kakobreklaa whats the diff [02:51]
dub ;;bc,stats [02:53]
gribble Current Blocks: 219503 | Current Difficulty: 2968775.3320751 | Next Difficulty At Block: 219743 | Next Difficulty In: 240 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 10 hours, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 3252722.00578067 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.56443792286 [02:53]
dub ;;bc,diffchange [02:53]
gribble Estimated percent change in difficulty this period | 9.56443792286 % based on data since last change | 15.3622764814 % based on data for last three days [02:53]
mircea_popescu well for one thing it only lists the symbols which had activity at all [02:55]
mircea_popescu and under the hood muchly optimised sqling [02:55]
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kakobreklaa dont bother us if its not 250x faster. [02:56]
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mjr_ very cool [02:57]
mjr_ anyways, i will talk to you all later monday should be fun [02:57]
mircea_popescu it's about 18x faster i think [02:57]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 10 @ 0.765 = 7.65 BTC [+] [02:58]
gru2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWuCmjpvXmE [03:02]
kakobreklaa http://shrani.si/f/3z/OV/4lb6Z4Bi/critpred.png [03:02]
kakobreklaa hehe [03:02]
mircea_popescu what's that ? [03:04]
mircea_popescu o hey! pretty good [03:04]
kakobreklaa critticall + btc price per diff change [03:05]
mircea_popescu so 45 by spring ? [03:05]
kakobreklaa http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=VQdpYEMK [03:05]
kakobreklaa its very raw [03:06]
kakobreklaa been only doing ai evolution for about 24hrs [03:06]
kakobreklaa need more time and better data [03:07]
kakobreklaa wait ill extend the red prediction [03:08]
kakobreklaa to see how well it matches green one [03:08]
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kakobreklaa brb [03:09]
thestringpuller kakobreklaa: what is that for [03:09]
thestringpuller ?* [03:09]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-MINING] 1 @ 0.4799 BTC [-] [03:16]
Namworld Should I just freeze BTC-MINING trading? [03:18]
Namworld Until issues with Amazingrando are resolved? [03:18]
mircea_popescu what's freezing accomplish ? [03:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [-] [03:18]
Namworld Prevent people from inadvertantly buying something possibly worthless? [03:19]
mircea_popescu also prevent people from selling at a loss/buying at a risk. [03:19]
Namworld Actually I should probably post some status on the situation and let people buy/sell according to their expectation of amazingrando paying out I guess. [03:19]
mircea_popescu this freezing business is more of the glbse nuttery imo. [03:19]
mircea_popescu discontinue it is one thing. freezing it is neither here nor here. [03:20]
mircea_popescu there* [03:20]
Namworld Well there's always the link to the thread I suppose [03:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14845 @ 0.0007 = 10.3915 BTC [+] [03:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6047 @ 0.00069314 = 4.1914 BTC [-] [03:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.0007 = 5.25 BTC [+] [03:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7573 @ 0.00069999 = 5.301 BTC [-] [03:23]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.0007 = 4.2 BTC [+] [03:27]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 195 @ 0.0073419 = 1.4317 BTC [+] [03:28]
* Now talking on #bitcoin-assets [10:40]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets is: Bitcoin asset exchanges: http://mpex.co || https://coinbr.com || https://cryptostocks.com || https://icbit.se || https://therocktrading.com || https://assets-otc.com || https://www.havelockinvestments.com || https://bitfunder.com || https://btct.co || http://picostocks.com || list bot commands: !help || Streaming trades only: #bitcoin-assets-trades [10:40]
* Topic for #bitcoin-assets set by kakobrekla!~T42@89-212-41-49.static.t-2.net at Mon Dec 24 19:40:09 2012 [10:40]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+] [10:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069111 = 2.9863 BTC [+] [11:05]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11034 @ 0.00069128 = 7.6276 BTC [+] [11:05]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006901 = 2.9819 BTC [-] [11:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 932 @ 0.00069001 = 0.6431 BTC [-] [11:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3047 @ 0.00069 = 2.1024 BTC [-] [11:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.007301 = 4.3806 BTC [+] [11:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 600 @ 0.00731325 = 4.388 BTC [+] [11:22]
mircea_popescu ha! for the record, that wasn't an echo! [11:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069107 = 2.9861 BTC [+] [11:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3807 @ 0.00069128 = 2.6317 BTC [+] [11:33]
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Anduck !ticker mpex s.dice [11:36]
assbot [MPEX:S.DICE] 1D: 0.00718504 / 0.0073726 / 0.007395 (191681 shares, 1,413.19 BTC), 7D: 0.00534524 / 0.00731123 / 0.00749999 (698962 shares, 5,110.27 BTC), 30D: 0.00085848 / 0.00512667 / 0.0075 (6020786 shares, 30,866.61 BTC) [11:36]
mircea_popescu o hey, it was the 3rd [11:37]
mircea_popescu no big moves. [11:37]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 521 @ 0.0249 = 12.9729 BTC [+] [11:37]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069035 = 2.983 BTC [-] [11:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3379 @ 0.00069 = 2.3315 BTC [-] [11:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-BOND] 8 @ 0.0097 = 0.0776 BTC [-] [11:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 450 @ 0.00731325 = 3.291 BTC [+] [11:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 3 @ 0.025 = 0.075 BTC [+] [11:44]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 5 @ 0.025 = 0.125 BTC [+] [11:45]
assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 10 @ 0.026 = 0.26 BTC [+] [11:45]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00069 = 2.76 BTC [-] [11:48]
assbot [MPEX] [X.IDIFF.JUN] 250 @ 0.08995 = 22.4875 BTC [-] [11:49]
mircea_popescu that's a bold bet. [11:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2626 @ 0.00069128 = 1.8153 BTC [+] [12:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069548 = 3.0052 BTC [+] [12:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4398 @ 0.00069549 = 3.0588 BTC [+] [12:01]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 2 @ 0.023 = 0.046 BTC [-] [12:10]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069028 = 2.9827 BTC [-] [12:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20379 @ 0.00069001 = 14.0617 BTC [-] [12:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00069001 = 6.2101 BTC [-] [12:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00069001 = 9.1771 BTC [-] [12:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00069525 = 2.19 BTC [+] [13:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2150 @ 0.00069001 = 1.4835 BTC [-] [13:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00069001 = 2.898 BTC [-] [13:15]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 3 @ 1 = 3 BTC [+] [13:17]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.765 BTC [+] [13:18]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.76 BTC [-] [13:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3150 @ 0.00069001 = 2.1735 BTC [-] [13:21]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1100 @ 0.00069058 = 0.7596 BTC [+] [13:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5600 @ 0.00069001 = 3.8641 BTC [-] [13:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00069058 = 5.7318 BTC [+] [13:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4000 @ 0.00069483 = 2.7793 BTC [+] [13:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1900 @ 0.00069549 = 1.3214 BTC [+] [13:37]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform you'll prolly enjoy this : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/stage-n-bitcoin-exists/ [13:41]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 6 @ 1 = 6 BTC [+] [13:45]
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jurov lol http://www.dilbert.com/2013-02-04/ [13:57]
mircea_popescu lmao [13:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00069051 = 11.8768 BTC [-] [14:17]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00069051 = 8.148 BTC [-] [14:21]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.76 = 1.52 BTC [-] [14:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.0072934 = 7.2934 BTC [-] [14:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 91 @ 0.00724667 = 0.6594 BTC [-] [14:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1171 @ 0.00069135 = 0.8096 BTC [+] [14:48]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10479 @ 0.00069137 = 7.2449 BTC [+] [14:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1021 @ 0.00069137 = 0.7059 BTC [+] [14:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2362 @ 0.00069549 = 1.6427 BTC [+] [14:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5464 @ 0.00069549 = 3.8002 BTC [+] [14:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3744 @ 0.00069653 = 2.6078 BTC [+] [14:55]
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jurov https://www.cryptospora.net/bitcoin-graph.html lol i must to do something like that for mpex [14:59]
jurov aka "look, mpoe-pr peed on the chart" [15:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1189 @ 0.00731325 = 8.6955 BTC [+] [15:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069071 = 2.9846 BTC [-] [15:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8911 @ 0.00069051 = 6.1531 BTC [-] [15:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 814 @ 0.00069051 = 0.5621 BTC [-] [15:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7336 @ 0.00069001 = 5.0619 BTC [-] [15:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.00724668 = 2.8987 BTC [-] [15:09]
Bugpowder A 15000 BTC wall at 21? Dang! [15:23]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24100 @ 0.00069001 = 16.6292 BTC [-] [15:26]
mircea_popescu heh [15:31]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069619 = 3.0082 BTC [+] [15:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7179 @ 0.00069653 = 5.0004 BTC [+] [15:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069034 = 2.983 BTC [-] [15:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4229 @ 0.00069001 = 2.9181 BTC [-] [15:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1077 @ 0.00069653 = 0.7502 BTC [+] [15:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3600 @ 0.0006967 = 2.5081 BTC [+] [15:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2023 @ 0.0006987 = 1.4135 BTC [+] [15:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2298 @ 0.0006987 = 1.6056 BTC [+] [15:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4761 @ 0.00069871 = 3.3266 BTC [+] [15:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3941 @ 0.00069953 = 2.7568 BTC [+] [15:43]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2700 @ 0.00069953 = 1.8887 BTC [+] [15:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.00731324 = 3.6566 BTC [+] [15:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 750 @ 0.00731325 = 5.4849 BTC [+] [15:55]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16743 @ 0.00069953 = 11.7122 BTC [+] [16:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 111 @ 0.00731325 = 0.8118 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1412 @ 0.00731333 = 10.3264 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1234 @ 0.00734038 = 9.058 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1143 @ 0.007347 = 8.3976 BTC [+] [16:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069018 = 2.9823 BTC [-] [16:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 679 @ 0.00069001 = 0.4685 BTC [-] [16:12]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 15 @ 0.76252525 = 11.4379 BTC [+] [16:19]
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mircea_popescu http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/police-crack-down-on-silk-road-following-first-drug-dealer-conviction/ [16:24]
mircea_popescu aaaand there it goes. [16:24]
Diablo-D3 man, those police are going to be pissed when they find out it was an FBI agent they arrested [16:25]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 235 @ 0.76252525 = 179.1934 BTC [+] [16:25]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: that guy got busted for breaking drug dealing protocol [16:25]
thestringpuller the seller didn't get nabbed so it's kind of a moot point, since he can't really snitch [16:25]
kakobreklaa how do you do that [16:25]
kakobreklaa sell too cheap? [16:26]
thestringpuller you deal from your home [16:26]
mircea_popescu ya well... [16:26]
thestringpuller business and home need to be kept separate in that lifetime [16:26]
thestringpuller lifestyle* [16:26]
mircea_popescu They also found two working mobile phones, and forensically analyzed more than 20,000 text messages. In among them were incriminating texts such as "I got five grand worth if you want" and "promote the LSD I got more in. I sold 200 cubes last week". [16:27]
mircea_popescu herpderp [16:27]
thestringpuller not everyone can send gpg encrypted email to clientelle :P [16:28]
mircea_popescu actually the people who deal dope and the people who use gpg are like oil and water it seems. [16:28]
thestringpuller use dope* [16:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069798 = 3.016 BTC [+] [16:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10679 @ 0.0006981 = 7.455 BTC [+] [16:29]
thestringpuller silk road dope dealers never seemed to get busted despite the dea purportedly having a budget just for that investigation [16:29]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 831 @ 0.0006981 = 0.5801 BTC [+] [16:35]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12398 @ 0.00069953 = 8.6728 BTC [+] [16:35]
thestringpuller http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/01/new-lawsuit-against-revenge-porn-site-also-targets-godaddy/ - that article is much more interesting mr. popescu [16:35]
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mircea_popescu revenge pronsite ? [16:36]
thestringpuller yeaaa boy [16:36]
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mircea_popescu and ofcourse godaddy would be targeted. only way to make money. [16:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069012 = 2.982 BTC [-] [16:38]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1279 @ 0.00069001 = 0.8825 BTC [-] [16:38]
mircea_popescu http://isanybodydown.com/ heh [16:39]
mircea_popescu i see. [16:39]
Diablo-D3 its a porn site?! [16:40]
thestringpuller yea [16:40]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu you should turn /dtng/ into something like that [16:40]
thestringpuller more profitable ;) [16:40]
mircea_popescu dtng isn't making any money. [16:40]
thestringpuller so then it will make money when revengeporn is posted? [16:41]
thestringpuller via extortion? (i kid) [16:41]
mircea_popescu it's just there cause sometime x years ago i got fucking tired of bs image hosting services on web [16:41]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what if some of the whales on mpex are drug lords and store their profits in MPEX assets...? [16:44]
thestringpuller does that matter to you? [16:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069064 = 2.9843 BTC [+] [16:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8379 @ 0.00069081 = 5.7883 BTC [+] [16:44]
mircea_popescu well, what if the moon is made of cheeze ? does that matter to you ? [16:45]
thestringpuller no? I was just wondering, because that's what lawyers want to use to "negafy" bitcoin... [16:45]
mircea_popescu a bitcoin is a bitcoin. [16:46]
mircea_popescu drug lording is entirely a fiat problem [16:46]
thestringpuller a dollar is a dollar [16:46]
thestringpuller not with silk road... [16:46]
jurov thestringpuller, never ran into "polimedia premium" second paywall? [16:46]
jurov they seem to do make money from porn :) [16:47]
jurov you just didn't look sufficiently hard [16:47]
thestringpuller i would say pablo escobar would be more likely to dump large amounts of money into bitcoin as opposed to warren buffet [16:48]
mircea_popescu it's actually discussed http://polimedia.us/trilema/trilema-premium/ [16:48]
mircea_popescu bottom left of navbar [16:48]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller i guess that'd be the problem of the banks or whoever takes his dollars. [16:48]
thestringpuller you need a better paywall, since now I'm just using proxies to scramble the outbound ip :P [16:48]
thestringpuller when i connect to trilema [16:49]
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jurov yea, and emir kusturic will make a documentary about mircea [16:49]
kakobreklaa :DD [16:49]
kakobreklaa goran bregovic should do the soundtrack [16:49]
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mircea_popescu what would it be, white bitch, black bitch ? [16:50]
kakobreklaa long dick, longer dick. [16:50]
mircea_popescu o, did you see the pix of my dick ? [16:50]
kakobreklaa urlpls [16:50]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema pula mea [16:50]
gribble Stiti voi, dragii mei, ce-i aia taco ? pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: ; Anunt umanitar pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Mic tratat de ipocrizie pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [16:50]
mircea_popescu eh wtf. [16:51]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/ [16:51]
kakobreklaa oo, not bad. [16:51]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2011/pedofilia-si-raul/#comment-55136 << that's a fine example of why dtng exists [16:52]
mircea_popescu put a pic on photobucket or w/e, link it in a comment [16:52]
mircea_popescu a ferw months later, "sorry fuck you and here's our site pls to give us jooce" [16:52]
thestringpuller wait what? [16:52]
thestringpuller I can't view that picture from this computer [16:52]
mircea_popescu sucks to be you ? [16:53]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1400 @ 0.0006901 = 0.9661 BTC [-] [16:53]
jurov it's confirmed. mircea is an alien [16:53]
thestringpuller because it's in romanian and I don't have a translator on dis computer [16:54]
jurov google translate? [16:56]
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mircea_popescu basically it says that you can get larger versions of pix i took if you payup [17:00]
mircea_popescu kinda lost interest in bothering with prepping pix etc since bitcoin tho [17:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2921 @ 0.0006901 = 2.0158 BTC [-] [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6403 @ 0.00069001 = 4.4181 BTC [-] [17:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00069001 = 4.6921 BTC [-] [17:06]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1395 @ 0.00069001 = 0.9626 BTC [-] [17:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4905 @ 0.00069 = 3.3845 BTC [-] [17:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00069 = 9.108 BTC [-] [17:11]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2921 @ 0.00069081 = 2.0179 BTC [+] [17:19]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 257 @ 0.007347 = 1.8882 BTC [+] [17:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 543 @ 0.007395 = 4.0155 BTC [+] [17:22]
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j1717 how do i invest in s. dice? [17:26]
jurov j1717, you need to buy shares on MPEx. [17:30]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 23 @ 0.75 = 17.25 BTC [-] [17:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9429 @ 0.00069825 = 6.5838 BTC [+] [17:30]
jurov j1717: have you seen http://mpex.co/faq.html ? [17:30]
jurov but perhaps you can start by using broker instead: coinbr.com [17:31]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [KCIM] 7 @ 1 = 7 BTC [+] [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3421 @ 0.00069361 = 2.3728 BTC [-] [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 618 @ 0.00069953 = 0.4323 BTC [+] [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069998 = 3.0246 BTC [+] [17:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2140 @ 0.00069999 = 1.498 BTC [+] [17:32]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.73 = 3.65 BTC [-] [17:35]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.715 = 3.575 BTC [-] [17:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2887 @ 0.00069352 = 2.0022 BTC [-] [17:37]
j1717 no not yet new B to this [17:37]
mircea_popescu rthen prolly should take a little time and learn about it all [17:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7500 @ 0.00069999 = 5.2499 BTC [+] [17:42]
j1717 30 btc just sign up ? [17:43]
jurov ofc [17:44]
j1717 i ave a bit coin wallet but it is trying to charge a fee i thought that this was free [17:45]
mircea_popescu on mpex, yes. there's passthroughs on bitfunder, havelock and btctc, and there's brokers (like coinbr.com, as a site, like smickles as aperson) that can also help you [17:45]
JohnGalt1337 you can buy them elsewhere, bitfunder is probably the best site for you [17:45]
mircea_popescu "MPOE-PR, you can class action your parents if you had enough people in the suit." [17:46]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140927.msg1502894#msg1502894 [17:46]
mircea_popescu this guy is taking it to a whole new level. [17:47]
jurov me too. i don't remember myself ever using such stern tone... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76506.msg1502953#msg1502953 [17:48]
mircea_popescu what, they've not done anything yet ? [17:51]
jurov i'm not aware of. [17:51]
mircea_popescu heh. maybe their plan is to just wait for the delisting and pay something then [17:52]
mircea_popescu tho it'd be great if they just announced what they plan to do [17:52]
jurov zactly. [17:53]
jcpham forums: meh [17:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 2 @ 0.74 = 1.48 BTC [+] [17:58]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2660 @ 0.00069416 = 1.8465 BTC [-] [18:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11740 @ 0.000697 = 8.1828 BTC [+] [18:01]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1810 @ 0.000697 = 1.2616 BTC [+] [18:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10541 @ 0.00069999 = 7.3786 BTC [+] [18:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12759 @ 0.00069999 = 8.9312 BTC [+] [18:04]
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assbot [BTCTC] [B.YABMC] 1 @ 0.0279 BTC [+] [18:06]
JWU_42 hrm - so it seems Avalon batch #2 orders was a fiasco [18:07]
JWU_42 thankfully missed that drama [18:07]
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mircea_popescu was pretty hot and heavy [18:11]
gigavps fiasco is an understatement [18:12]
JWU_42 class action suit with walletbit [18:14]
JWU_42 TWF [18:14]
JWU_42 err [18:14]
JWU_42 WTF [18:15]
gigavps lol [18:15]
mircea_popescu JWU_42 expert says he can action suit his mom. [18:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00069736 = 3.4519 BTC [-] [18:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00069999 = 10.4299 BTC [+] [18:17]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 2 @ 0.1195 = 0.239 BTC [-] [18:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [BTC-TRADING-PT] 40 @ 0.1196 = 4.784 BTC [+] [18:18]
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DeaDTerra1 evening :D [18:19]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1434 @ 0.00069352 = 0.9945 BTC [-] [18:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2131 @ 0.00069334 = 1.4775 BTC [-] [18:22]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66 @ 0.000695 = 0.0459 BTC [+] [18:37]
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assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 257 @ 0.0076 = 1.9532 BTC [+] [18:38]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8634 @ 0.000695 = 6.0006 BTC [+] [18:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2766 @ 0.00069975 = 1.9355 BTC [+] [18:44]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P210T] 750 @ 0.2040166 = 153.0125 BTC [+] [18:45]
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JWU_42 mircea_popescu: we are quite litigious here in the US [18:51]
JWU_42 ;) [18:51]
mircea_popescu im litigious too. the difference is i actually file. [18:52]
JWU_42 heh - yeah - much talk and little action in these things generally [18:52]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1250 @ 0.007395 = 9.2438 BTC [+] [18:54]
jurov to everyone who likes monkey patching by editing files on live server: http://feross.org/cmsploit/?hn=1 [18:55]
assbot [BTCTC] [ESECURITYSABTC] 1 @ 0.721 BTC [+] [18:59]
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assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 3 @ 0.35 = 1.05 BTC [+] [19:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1555 @ 0.00069975 = 1.0881 BTC [+] [19:04]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9040 @ 0.00069999 = 6.3279 BTC [+] [19:04]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.0006994 = 3.0221 BTC [-] [19:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8829 @ 0.00069934 = 6.1745 BTC [-] [19:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 110 @ 0.007395 = 0.8135 BTC [+] [19:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069976 = 3.0237 BTC [+] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5929 @ 0.00069999 = 4.1502 BTC [+] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 166 @ 0.00730792 = 1.2131 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1200 @ 0.00730331 = 8.764 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 231 @ 0.00729809 = 1.6859 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 970 @ 0.00724668 = 7.0293 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 4259 @ 0.00724667 = 30.8636 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 700 @ 0.00723594 = 5.0652 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1550 @ 0.00723555 = 11.2151 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 6421 @ 0.0072011 = 46.2383 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00720101 = 7.201 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 150 @ 0.0072 = 1.08 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1942 @ 0.00719005 = 13.9631 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1681 @ 0.00715653 = 12.0301 BTC [-] [19:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 211 @ 0.00713783 = 1.5061 BTC [-] [19:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1150 @ 0.0070824 = 8.1448 BTC [-] [19:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 394 @ 0.00704102 = 2.7742 BTC [-] [19:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1300 @ 0.00703898 = 9.1507 BTC [-] [19:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 200 @ 0.00702536 = 1.4051 BTC [-] [19:14]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 598 @ 0.007 = 4.186 BTC [-] [19:15]
thestringpuller waaah [19:18]
thestringpuller short selling opportunities gone whoop whoop [19:18]
thestringpuller ;;ticker [19:18]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.30000, Best ask: 20.30573, Bid-ask spread: 0.00573, Last trade: 20.30573, 24 hour volume: 48343.64189664, 24 hour low: 20.03100, 24 hour high: 21.05000, 24 hour vwap: 20.56918 [19:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 226 @ 0.00069934 = 0.1581 BTC [-] [19:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069335 = 2.996 BTC [-] [19:29]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7453 @ 0.00069334 = 5.1675 BTC [-] [19:29]
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mircea_popescu s.dice minigraph now looks like a butt [19:33]
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jurov hi [19:43]
jurov just got notification about deposit... fortunately i chacked it with bitcoind and that block got orphaned [19:44]
jurov i've got a joke for you: "now that we have paid bitcoin devs, they can perhaps make such things simpler" [19:46]
mircea_popescu jurov what deposit is that ? [19:46]
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jurov normal coinbr stuff [19:47]
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jurov haha, but getting notification about mpex deposits would be quite useful, too :D [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4096 @ 0.00069405 = 2.8428 BTC [+] [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069454 = 3.0011 BTC [+] [19:50]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4483 @ 0.00069455 = 3.1137 BTC [+] [19:50]
jurov someday i'll give up and run electrum. for mass mpex surveillance. [19:51]
jurov usagi, when they mature? when someone buys for 0.001 ? [19:53]
jurov hm, perhaps you need to ask someone to explain difference between mpoe shares and bonds. [19:54]
jurov bonds and thus MPBPT on bitfunder based on them do mature every month [19:55]
jurov s.mpoe are normal shares that jsut pay dividends [19:56]
jurov i'd think experienced investor would refer to things by proper names? [19:57]
jurov ;) [19:57]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2265 @ 0.00069334 = 1.5704 BTC [-] [19:57]
jurov i see [19:59]
jurov it is backed by MPOE bond , yea [20:00]
jurov yes [20:00]
jurov right [20:01]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 618 @ 0.00069334 = 0.4285 BTC [-] [20:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069252 = 2.9924 BTC [-] [20:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11800 @ 0.00069251 = 8.1716 BTC [-] [20:02]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2873 @ 0.00069003 = 1.9825 BTC [-] [20:02]
mircea_popescu Network total 22.949 Thash/s [20:09]
Bugpowder some Trill shit right here.... https://soundcloud.com/mihkal/th-d-ip [20:09]
mircea_popescu those asics... [20:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7127 @ 0.00069003 = 4.9178 BTC [-] [20:10]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10223 @ 0.00069002 = 7.0541 BTC [-] [20:10]
Bugpowder someone bot the JUNs for 8995. Not a believer. [20:10]
Bugpowder Not selling those down there. [20:10]
mircea_popescu 8995 still is a tripling of diff [20:12]
Chilca Hi Guys, what's the ticket for MPOE bond? [20:12]
mircea_popescu the mpoe bond is not listed as a ticker. [20:13]
Chilca I see, how can I do if I want to buy? [20:13]
mircea_popescu you need to email your intended deposit and demanded % then send the btc [20:13]
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jurov Chilca, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=64962.40 [20:24]
jurov if bitcointalk worked [20:25]
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mircea_popescu lol [20:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1650 @ 0.00069452 = 1.146 BTC [+] [20:27]
dub triple diff by june seems rather low [20:31]
dub thats the first avalon run [20:31]
mircea_popescu well you can certainly pay more. [20:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9777 @ 0.00069002 = 6.7463 BTC [-] [20:33]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3923 @ 0.00069001 = 2.7069 BTC [-] [20:34]
gesell is there a log of the satoshidice secrets (not the hash's of, but the secrets that are published after their use is over) [20:35]
mircea_popescu not that i know of, but this would be a useful thing [20:36]
smickles i think i recall someone keeping a log [20:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1700 @ 0.00665516 = 11.3138 BTC [-] [20:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 11164 @ 0.007 = 78.148 BTC [+] [20:39]
Bugpowder :( [20:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.007 = 3.5 BTC [+] [20:45]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 500 @ 0.007 = 3.5 BTC [+] [20:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 400 @ 0.006667 = 2.6668 BTC [-] [21:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 10400 @ 0.007 = 72.8 BTC [+] [21:00]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 5 @ 0.76 = 3.8 BTC [+] [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2671 @ 0.00069452 = 1.8551 BTC [+] [21:07]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2029 @ 0.00069455 = 1.4092 BTC [+] [21:07]
DeaDTerra1 Cheap S.DICE shares yay :D [21:07]
Anduck imo it was cheap at 0.0035 XD [21:08]
Anduck !ticker mpex s.bbet [21:09]
assbot [MPEX:S.BBET] 1D: 0.0014 / 0.0014 / 0.0014 (300 shares, 0.42 BTC), 7D: 0.00139 / 0.00144825 / 0.00159999 (32457 shares, 47.01 BTC), 30D: 0.000337 / 0.00079944 / 0.0035 (2340020 shares, 1,870.71 BTC) [21:09]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 60 @ 0.765 = 45.9 BTC [+] [21:15]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1810 @ 0.00069455 = 1.2571 BTC [+] [21:16]
awkorama evening everyone [21:16]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069024 = 2.9825 BTC [-] [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10337 @ 0.00069013 = 7.1339 BTC [-] [21:26]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 292 @ 0.00069002 = 0.2015 BTC [-] [21:26]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3884 @ 0.00069455 = 2.6976 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069487 = 3.0025 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00069488 = 3.3354 BTC [+] [21:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 919 @ 0.00069719 = 0.6407 BTC [+] [21:28]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00069035 = 2.8995 BTC [-] [21:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3818 @ 0.00069002 = 2.6345 BTC [-] [21:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121 @ 0.00069035 = 0.0835 BTC [+] [21:41]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16261 @ 0.00069001 = 11.2203 BTC [-] [21:41]
assbot [BTCTC] [GSDPT] 500 @ 0.0073 = 3.65 BTC [-] [21:42]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 598 @ 0.0066383 = 3.9697 BTC [-] [21:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 570 @ 0.00069719 = 0.3974 BTC [+] [21:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1630 @ 0.00069899 = 1.1394 BTC [+] [21:44]
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pigeons Namworld: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141139.msg1503280#msg1503280 [21:54]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00069001 = 1.2075 BTC [-] [21:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00069001 = 3.5881 BTC [-] [21:58]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3470 @ 0.00069899 = 2.4255 BTC [+] [21:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069998 = 3.0246 BTC [+] [21:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00069998 = 2.8769 BTC [+] [21:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 368 @ 0.00069999 = 0.2576 BTC [+] [21:59]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4600 @ 0.00069999 = 3.22 BTC [+] [22:02]
jurov lol what would mjr_ say upon seeing this [22:07]
mircea_popescu wha happened ? [22:08]
pigeons i thought it was mjr_'s stability bot [22:09]
jurov yesterday he got higly agitated about mpoe spreads [22:09]
jurov and no, it's not his bot ;D [22:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4400 @ 0.0006943 = 3.0549 BTC [-] [22:09]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2900 @ 0.0006943 = 2.0135 BTC [-] [22:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33750 @ 0.00069999 = 23.6247 BTC [+] [22:12]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic you won't believe this (yes you will) but gavin brought consensus to the maxblocksize issue. [22:12]
FabianB link? [22:13]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1503099#msg1503099 [22:13]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069006 = 2.9817 BTC [-] [22:17]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2929 @ 0.00069002 = 2.0211 BTC [-] [22:17]
dub inb4 Luke-Jr Luke-Jrs about it [22:18]
mircea_popescu ya, that makes a diff. [22:18]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1232 @ 0.00069002 = 0.8501 BTC [-] [22:20]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2239 @ 0.00069001 = 1.5449 BTC [-] [22:20]
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mircea_popescu ;;ticker [22:24]
gribble BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 20.13401, Best ask: 20.21000, Bid-ask spread: 0.07599, Last trade: 20.21000, 24 hour volume: 44775.20493977, 24 hour low: 20.04250, 24 hour high: 21.05000, 24 hour vwap: 20.53126 [22:24]
mircea_popescu so 20 is the new 14 basically. [22:24]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00069002 = 7.7282 BTC [+] [22:25]
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jurov BitVPS delivers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76506.msg1503376#msg1503376 [22:27]
jurov lmaooooo [22:27]
mircea_popescu im kind of affraid to look [22:27]
jurov send the gal. she'll know what to do [22:28]
mircea_popescu um. so what's the problem with that ? [22:29]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Were you meaning to address me? [22:29]
jurov it's next week. probably. [22:29]
mircea_popescu midnightmagic yeah [22:29]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Which maxblocksize issue are you talking about? [22:30]
mircea_popescu you've not been following the maxblocksize most recent drama ? [22:30]
* mircea_popescu digs up for a link [22:30]
mircea_popescu https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=140233.msg1503099#msg1503099 < [22:30]
midnightmagic i'm on the mailing list. was it there? [22:30]
midnightmagic ah thanks. [22:30]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 3313 @ 0.007 = 23.191 BTC [+] [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 1000 @ 0.00739499 = 7.395 BTC [+] [22:32]
assbot [MPEX] [S.DICE] 8549 @ 0.007395 = 63.2199 BTC [+] [22:32]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7700 @ 0.00069515 = 5.3527 BTC [+] [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2400 @ 0.00069964 = 1.6791 BTC [+] [22:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 999 @ 0.00069964 = 0.6989 BTC [+] [22:41]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: There an ancillary issue (for miners at least) for txn verification as well. I don't really view the max block size as an issue, since I have no trouble running multi-TB databases, so I, personally, will have no issue remaining a node even if maxblocksize increases massively [22:42]
midnightmagic I do view satoshidice as a particularly pernicious form of evil, for example. [22:42]
mircea_popescu i know. [22:42]
gigavps it's pretty easy to exclude their transactions [22:43]
gigavps i'll be doing that soon ;) [22:43]
gigavps miner revolt against satoshidice [22:43]
midnightmagic We still have to accept blocks that other douches mine SD into.. [22:43]
midnightmagic yeah me too, btw. [22:43]
mircea_popescu sokay, they make enough dough to build their own rigs, run you boys outta biz. [22:44]
gigavps lol [22:44]
midnightmagic The issue is that while *we* will save ourselves from mining effort, if it becomes too widely-adopted SD will modify their scheme and it'll be a kind of arms race after that [22:44]
mircea_popescu if you're in the business of mining, trying to save yourself from mining effort seems a little... [22:44]
mircea_popescu you know, like the whore that's trying not to get laid too much. [22:44]
Anduck how should they modify their scheme, midnightmagic?? [22:44]
mircea_popescu find a diff line maybe. [22:45]
midnightmagic lol. We outnumber them both in terms of brains, and in overall hashrate. They couldn't afford to directly compete against the long tail. Not yet. [22:45]
mircea_popescu yaya. gl. [22:45]
gigavps mircea_popescu, the idea is to make SD take deposits and not do everything through the block chain [22:45]
mircea_popescu not gonna happen. [22:45]
midnightmagic Anduck: Stop using the blockchain as their own personal database. [22:45]
Anduck huh? [22:45]
gigavps mircea_popescu, it will be their down fall then [22:45]
mircea_popescu and contrary to popular belief, the 700k btc company tells the 50k nominal /2k market value bond people what's what. [22:46]
midnightmagic Anduck: They should modify their scheme to stop using the blockchain as their own personal database. [22:46]
Luke-Jr Anduck: you send to a one-time-use address to deposit, play as much as you like on the site; when you're done, you enter the withdraw address and it sends the balance back; if you don't do anything for 5-10 mins, it sends it back to where it came by default [22:46]
mircea_popescu not gonna happen, you might as well forget it. [22:46]
Anduck welll i like the current system, [22:46]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: If you say so. :) [22:46]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: then SD can die [22:46]
Anduck think if without nerd goggless [22:46]
mircea_popescu heh. [22:46]
gigavps mircea_popescu is too smart for the rest of us [22:46]
mircea_popescu dudes, it's simple : miners that mine can stick around [22:46]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: also, it's hardly a consensus when there's 1 person.. [22:46]
mircea_popescu miners that don't mine can find a job in obama's booming economy [22:46]
Anduck for normal gambling man current SD kind of gambling is super [22:46]
mircea_popescu either way. [22:46]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: txn that don't DDoS can stick around. [22:47]
Anduck u dont evn need to go to the site to gamble [22:47]
mircea_popescu but i did lol my ass off at amazingrando's sob story. [22:47]
mircea_popescu here you are, a bunch of , as tghe italians say, rotinculo [22:47]
mircea_popescu telling me about who can die ? [22:47]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: By the time the block reward is < txn fees, this problem will already have been solved. [22:47]
mircea_popescu go get 9k usd a month to pay for electricity and 40 hours week for free. [22:47]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: responsible miners will continue to mine blocks without dice spam [22:47]
mircea_popescu bunch of brains ? i remain unimpressed. [22:47]
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mircea_popescu the responsible miners will mine. the idiots will highfalootin. [22:47]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: I wasn't aware we should be impressing you. :) [22:48]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Would you like to be impressed? [22:48]
mircea_popescu i thought that's the point of the exercise. [22:48]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: No, the point of the exercise was to make public comments. [22:48]
mircea_popescu ah i c. [22:48]
mircea_popescu well ok, how's this for public comments : all you boys together don't clear 10k btc a month. [22:49]
mircea_popescu and this even if we don't pay you as much as waitresses make [22:49]
mircea_popescu 1.5 an hour or w/e [22:49]
mircea_popescu so, i can understand envy. [22:49]
mircea_popescu i can't understand envy masquerading as "responsibility". [22:49]
midnightmagic mircea_popescu: Trollfail. [22:49]
* midnightmagic is bored now and wanders off. [22:49]
mircea_popescu laters. [22:49]
davout someone be funny, i'm bored [22:50]
mircea_popescu davout why are you here when you should be fighting your competition! [22:50]
davout i can't [22:51]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00069157 = 5.8438 BTC [-] [22:51]
davout he's too legit [22:51]
mircea_popescu lol [22:51]
mircea_popescu he's too legit for his car... too legit... by far [22:51]
davout i sometimes feel bad hitting on mentally retarded people [22:52]
mircea_popescu i never hit on mentally retarded people that mind their own business. [22:52]
Luke-Jr davout: mircea_popescu's problem in this case seems to be he likes to think he's important [22:52]
davout Luke-Jr: i'll count to three in tonal and then *poof* you'll disappear [22:52]
mircea_popescu no luke, you're the one that likes to think you're important. [22:53]
mircea_popescu you're not. [22:53]
davout Luke-Jr: <3 [22:53]
Luke-Jr davout: don't do it! [22:53]
Luke-Jr :P [22:53]
gigavps o jesus [22:53]
davout regardless of which of you is the most important, my cock is still the biggest, measured in metric, imperial or tonal [22:54]
mircea_popescu who ever heard of this bullshit even, guy does 2% of the hash, is going to establish whether the one aplication deriving actual use out of bitcoin dies or not. [22:54]
mircea_popescu davout i take it you've not seen pix of mine ? [22:54]
davout mircea_popescu: i couldn't tell them apart, balls were touching [22:54]
jcpham i like what davout said [22:54]
mircea_popescu http://polimedia.us/trilema/2010/nsfw-pula-mea/ read it and weep frenchie. [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 922 @ 0.00069964 = 0.6451 BTC [+] [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4161 @ 0.00069998 = 2.9126 BTC [+] [22:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2017 @ 0.00069999 = 1.4119 BTC [+] [22:55]
dub so glad I'm at work right now [22:55]
mircea_popescu well tbh it's not safe for home, either. [22:55]
davout it's in romanian, you just made me waste one trilema free article [22:56]
mircea_popescu you can't read pictures either ? [22:56]
davout mirea_popescu: just because i'm poor doesn't mean i know how to read romanian [22:56]
mircea_popescu ahaha good one [22:56]
Anduck true infact [22:57]
Anduck xD [22:57]
davout there are like pictures of a black rod or whatever it is [22:57]
mircea_popescu you've never seen one before i take it ? [22:57]
davout mircea_popescu: well, at least thank you! i'm starting to feel slightly amused :D [22:58]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [SDICE] 1 @ 0.75815152 BTC [-] [22:58]
mircea_popescu it's been my go-to for internet cock competitions for years now [22:58]
davout nah, i kinda feel ok having little experience with black rods [22:58]
davout lol [22:58]
mircea_popescu it's not black. it's just... pigmented. [22:59]
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luke-jr_ davout: heh, I didn't say I was important :P [23:00]
luke-jr_ davout: I prefer to argue with logic, not "none of you other people matter" [23:00]
mircea_popescu let me hear this logic. [23:00]
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mircea_popescu "there is one actual aplication making btc useful. we should act like we matter tho we don't and pretend like we can kill it tho we can't" [23:01]
davout the "none of you other people matter" attitude has one big advantage : you don't really need to justify yourself [23:01]
mircea_popescu o, wait. his logic reminds me of this chick i fired on the 2nd date. [23:01]
mircea_popescu he... left. [23:01]
davout but that only matters IMO if you have the desire to be right [23:01]
dub timely tweet from god himself https://twitter.com/TheTweetOfGod/status/298536246970552321 [23:02]
mircea_popescu i couldn't care less, honestly, but the pompous miner ass is getting on my nerves. [23:02]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00069999 = 8.1549 BTC [+] [23:02]
mircea_popescu so anyone actually know how much hash elgius is doing these days ? they don't seem to have it on the main page anywhere. [23:03]
davout bitcoin attrcat people with various kinds of mental disorders, they are an advantage in making it progress, but sometimes they hinder social interaction i beliebe [23:03]
davout I AM A BELIEBER [23:03]
mircea_popescu lol [23:03]
mircea_popescu dude check it out! not one within the past hour! sdice is going to die omg! [23:04]
jcpham bieber nation [23:05]
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Namworld why, oh WHY would block size be limited? [23:09]
mircea_popescu Namworld you know those 2gb files on your disk ? [23:10]
kakobreklaa thats a problem of fat32 [23:11]
davout word [23:11]
kakobreklaa noone uses that [23:11]
kakobreklaa at least noone relevant [23:11]
mircea_popescu ya well, if i finally buy an asic and start mining 1tb blocks just to be an ass [23:11]
davout lol [23:11]
mircea_popescu you're all stuck buying a new hdd each day [23:11]
iz it's because everyone has a copy of the blockchain [23:11]
iz yeah, exactly [23:11]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: SD's DDoS isn't useful at all [23:12]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10089 @ 0.00069999 = 7.0622 BTC [+] [23:12]
kakobreklaa splitting the size of blocks into smaller ones doesnt fix any problem really [23:12]
Namworld If the blockchain can't handle SD [23:12]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr its business model is THE ONLY USEFUL THING BITCOIN DOES AT THE MOMENT. [23:12]
Namworld It can't handle anything serious [23:12]
Namworld I don't see the problem [23:12]
mircea_popescu maybe one day it'll do something else, or something more. [23:12]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: nonsense [23:12]
davout how much has SD paid in fees atm ? [23:12]
mircea_popescu but so far, the fact that people can s.dice is the only utility btc has. [23:13]
Luke-Jr Namworld: not even VISA handles this kind of attack [23:13]
mircea_popescu davout half of all fees ever paid or something. [23:13]
iz kakobreklaa: it solves the problem of the blockchain growing too fast, by replacing it with the problem of transaction with low transaction fees take significantly longer to process than transactions with larger transaction fees [23:13]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: you seem to not know what useful means [23:13]
iz kakobreklaa: which is a much better problem to have [23:13]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr no, i know what useful means. that's why i'm on the money side. [23:13]
kakobreklaa iz there is no iniciative for a miner not to accept 1satoshi fee TX [23:13]
mircea_popescu you think you know what right means [23:13]
mircea_popescu but that's always debatable. [23:13]
davout Luke-Jr: i politely beg to differ, it's a feature, not a bug, if you do not want these delicious transaction fees, don't mine the SD txes, *boom* problem solved [23:14]
mircea_popescu davout he thinks this will have any other result than him being pushed out of mining. [23:14]
Luke-Jr kakobreklaa: every transaction increases the risk your block is orphaned [23:14]
iz kakobreklaa: when they start bumping into the blocksize limitation, there will be -- and they will prioritize the transactions with higher transaction fees over the ones that have lower ones, since they get the transaction fees if they solve the block [23:14]
Luke-Jr davout: the risk of orphaned blocks from SD is much greater than any fees they pay [23:14]
kakobreklaa yeah but miners vote [23:14]
kakobreklaa what the blockchain will be [23:14]
kakobreklaa with hashpower [23:15]
kakobreklaa you cant say it will be like so [23:15]
mircea_popescu kakobreklaa that's gavin's proposed solution. [23:15]
davout Luke-Jr: why would a block be orphaned because it includes a SD tx ? [23:15]
mircea_popescu and i think its pretty smart. [23:15]
iz kakobreklaa: but they have the same incentives ala transaction fees [23:15]
kakobreklaa even gavin cant say it will be so [23:15]
Luke-Jr davout: every transaction increases the time it takes to verify the block, which occurs before each node begins relaying it [23:15]
kakobreklaa anyone can fork a more profitable bitcoind [23:15]
Luke-Jr davout: SD-including blocks often take minutes to cross the network [23:15]
mircea_popescu kakobreklaa ya but so far there's not much incentive. [23:16]
iz kakobreklaa: how would you fork a more profitable bitcoind? [23:16]
kakobreklaa by excluding the limit [23:16]
davout Luke-Jr: so miners will have a reduced incentive to mine them. boom, solution is built-in the problem [23:16]
iz but then it wouldn't be bitcoin [23:16]
kakobreklaa as long as majority does it [23:16]
iz and you would be starting where bitcoin started.. at 0 [23:16]
Namworld I understand that the blockchain contains all the history of each individual coins? [23:16]
iz kakobreklaa: then it wouldn't be a fork [23:16]
Luke-Jr davout: exactly, that's part of why rational miners block it [23:16]
iz it would be a takeover [23:17]
kakobreklaa for a bitcoind to use blockchain [23:17]
kakobreklaa fork* [23:17]
kakobreklaa no [23:17]
kakobreklaa you can do that now [23:17]
davout Luke-Jr: so what's your point ? [23:17]
Luke-Jr Namworld: not exactly [23:17]
mircea_popescu davout: exactly, that's part of why rational miners block it << this is "no true scotsman" [23:17]
iz sure, but it won't work on the network [23:17]
mircea_popescu idiots block it, atm. [23:17]
kakobreklaa ofc it will be on the net [23:17]
Namworld What kind of history does it keep Luke? [23:17]
kakobreklaa iz there are many nonstandard clients [23:17]
davout wtf does "no true scotsman" mean ? [23:17]
mircea_popescu it's a logical fallacy. [23:17]
Luke-Jr Namworld: transactions [23:17]
mircea_popescu http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman [23:17]
iz kakobreklaa: the non-standard clients still conform to all the bitcoin network rules though [23:17]
Luke-Jr davout: it's a logical fallacy that mircea_popescu doesn't understand [23:17]
davout kakobreklaa: there no non-standard mining clients that i know of [23:18]
kakobreklaa iz to some degree [23:18]
iz to 100% [23:18]
kakobreklaa no [23:18]
iz if they don't they won't work [23:18]
mircea_popescu dude, fact of the matter is, the 99.8% miners that aren't you do mine it. [23:18]
kakobreklaa you are wrong iz [23:18]
iz i'm not [23:18]
Namworld So it strictly tracks x.xx goes from a to b [23:18]
mircea_popescu calling them irrational is exactly the sort of popmassery that you got in trouble for earlier. [23:18]
kakobreklaa yes you are :) [23:18]
iz but check your facts [23:18]
Namworld ? [23:18]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: wrong [23:18]
iz i'm not going to argue with you, i'll let you remain ignorant if you so desire [23:18]
Namworld You can't distinguish a satoshi from another? [23:18]
assbot [BTCTC] [BASIC-MINING] 20 @ 0.35 = 7 BTC [+] [23:18]
kakobreklaa its you who is ignorant [23:18]
mircea_popescu ya, i spelled it popmassery. i mean pompassery. [23:18]
iz kakobreklaa: see my prior line [23:19]
kakobreklaa yet you keep posting stuff [23:19]
iz i'll let someone else explain to you where you are wrong [23:19]
kakobreklaa we just had a link not long ago [23:19]
mircea_popescu s.dice did about half of all transactions to date, and paid about half of all fees paid to date. [23:19]
davout kakobreklaa iz what are you arguing about ? may i join in your argument ? i feel bored and would enjoy bitchslapping whichever one of you two is wrong [23:20]
mircea_popescu if you want to empty block mine that's one thing [23:20]
kakobreklaa about nonstandard client making a rand() return 4; call [23:20]
mircea_popescu but what you're calling rational is nonsense. [23:20]
kakobreklaa so dont give me shit iz :) [23:20]
iz kakobreklaa: it's still conforming to the bitcoin network protocol, even if it's not implemented exactly the same [23:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 1 @ 0.3099 BTC [-] [23:20]
assbot [BTCTC] [COGNITIVE] 3 @ 0.3099 = 0.9297 BTC [-] [23:20]
Namworld Luke-JR: ok, suppose someone has 100 BTC in his address and he receives 50 "tainted" coins. He now has 150 BTC. If he then spend part of it, there's no distinction between the two? [23:20]
iz in the same way linux and windows both conform to TCP, even if they aren't implemented exactly the same [23:20]
iz and you can fingerprint differences between them [23:20]
mircea_popescu and when did this chan become an unholy cross between -otc, -mining and -nonsense! [23:20]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: spammers did more than half of all emails to date, and paid about the same in bandwidth costs! [23:21]
davout there is no spec for the bitcoin protocol, point = moot [23:21]
iz but the two systems can still communicate with each other [23:21]
Luke-Jr Namworld: Bitcoin does not work with balances either. [23:21]
iz the "spec" is by code, and defined by the current bitcoin client that everyone is running [23:21]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr that's possibly the most braindamaged, broken analogy you came up with so far [23:21]
mircea_popescu and you have quite the history of that. [23:21]
Namworld hmm [23:21]
davout iz code != spec [23:21]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: nope, it's pretty much exactly equivalent [23:21]
mircea_popescu no dude. there's good email and bad email. [23:21]
iz davout: these are rules like "block reward halving times" and such [23:21]
iz you can't just change those rules to "fork" bitcoin [23:22]
mircea_popescu there's only transactions. not good, not bad, not holy or purple. [23:22]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is tx agnostic. [23:22]
iz and suddenly have a new version of bitcoin that is just "better" [23:22]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: no, it isn't. [23:22]
mircea_popescu ya well that's the problem. [23:22]
iz these rules include the block size limitation [23:22]
dub iz: of course you can, with a mining majority [23:22]
gigavps mircea_popescu knows all [23:22]
mircea_popescu we'll never agree, and your choices are either submit or i'll kill you. [23:22]
mircea_popescu so... we can lay it to rest. [23:22]
davout iz: just because there are rules everybody agrees upon doesn't mean there is a proper spec, this has been discussed like a million times, and it is why i wholeheartedly welcome the cbitcoin initiative [23:22]
gigavps no point in arguing [23:22]
iz dub: it's not the miners that matter, it's the bitcoin CLIENTS [23:23]
mircea_popescu exactly. [23:23]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: Bitcoin users have agreed to store FINANCIAL TRANSFERS in the blockchain. Not DNS. Not game activity. Not notifications. [23:23]
* dub sighs and steps away [23:23]
Luke-Jr mircea_popescu: anything other than a direct financial transaction is abusing the communal agreement on what the blockchain is for [23:23]
kakobreklaa dub its hopeless. [23:23]
Luke-Jr gigavps: obviously [23:23]
davout Luke-Jr: please speak for yourself [23:23]
iz dub: under the scenario you described, a mining majority could produce a block that a different majority of bitcoin clients rejects and disagrees with [23:23]
dub kakobreklaa: yeah, I know this too, just cant help myself sometimes. [23:23]
Luke-Jr davout: I did. [23:24]
pigeons "different majority" [23:24]
mircea_popescu davout when you're poor your only practical avenue is to speak "for the community" [23:24]
awkorama Luke-Jr: who told you that bitcoin is money ? [23:24]
mircea_popescu so... he's speaking for the community. [23:24]
awkorama it's all just numbers [23:24]
iz there's a difference between the majority of miners and the majority of bitcoin clients on the p2p network [23:24]
iz or do you think those are the same? [23:24]
Luke-Jr davout: it's not about "one person is okay with using it for FOO", it's about "everyone using it is doing it for FOO" [23:24]
davout Luke-Jr: I was under the impression you put words in my mouth, i don't give a fuck about what goes into the blockchain, be it financial transactions or religious messages if you see what i mean [23:24]
awkorama (so is the universe, btw) [23:24]
Namworld I think every x blocks, there's some milestone achieved? [23:24]
Luke-Jr davout: you're one person. [23:25]
davout Luke-Jr: so are you [23:25]
Namworld I don't see the problem with SD transactions. [23:25]
Luke-Jr 100% of Bitcoin users have agreed to financial transactions. There is no other such agreement in this context. [23:25]
mircea_popescu Namworld simply put, the problem with sd transactions is that sd made 20k last month, in btc. that's 400k usd at going rates. [23:25]
mircea_popescu amazingrando made 9k, of which he paid electricity. [23:25]
mircea_popescu the rest of the miners did about the same [23:25]
mircea_popescu they perceive this is unfair. [23:25]
mircea_popescu it may be unfair, but it is what they signed up for. [23:26]
Luke-Jr Namworld: they're abusing the blockchain for signalling [23:26]
mircea_popescu higher level services always take the cream, commodified supports suck it. [23:26]
mircea_popescu this is why it's better to make ipads than resistors. [23:26]
Namworld blockchain is free to use. For anything. [23:26]
dub this is a religious debate, stop it [23:26]
Namworld This is my opinion of how it should be. [23:26]
kakobreklaa Luke-Jr, are you going to shed tears for us? [23:26]
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mircea_popescu kakobreklaa im working on it. [23:27]
dub I'm annoyed at SD too but market forces will prevail [23:27]
Namworld plus we don't need the whole blockchain history to do transactions, do we? [23:27]
dub (because its no longer possible to run a node on the hardware I was running it on) [23:27]
Luke-Jr Namworld: the unanimous bitcoin community does not agree. [23:27]
iz so.. maybe someone can seriously clear something up for me.. when a block is validated by the rest of the bitcoin network.. that's done per bitcoin client on the p2p network, right? not scaled with that client's mining power in H/S [23:27]
mircea_popescu ahaha sweet. [23:27]
mircea_popescu where is this unanimous community ? [23:27]
Luke-Jr Namworld: and yes, the entire blockchain history must be kept forever right now [23:28]
Namworld Yeah, but it could get modified [23:28]
awkorama iz> yes [23:28]
mircea_popescu no srsly, where can i visit the unanimous community ? [23:28]
jcpham i'm not a fan of the 5GB blockchain [23:28]
jcpham that's just me [23:28]
Luke-Jr Namworld: you have a genius idea on how? [23:28]
Luke-Jr /ignore mircea_popescu [23:28]
mircea_popescu jcpham kinda why the maxblocksize is there. [23:28]
dub iz: yes, you are wrong [23:28]
iz so.. if you have a majority of the hashing power, but not a majority of clients.. even if you were to change the bitcoin client rules, you couldn't get these new rules into the block chain [23:29]
iz even if you had a majority of the hashing power [23:29]
dub iz: no, you are wrong [23:29]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr stop arguing like a stupid cunt. you say something, stand by it. where is the motherfucking unanymous community! [23:29]
iz how would that work then, dub? [23:29]
pigeons no maxblocksize is not there to keep the size of the blockchain down, i thought it was there so blocks can be verified and propogated sanely [23:29]
dub iz: because bitcoin [23:29]
Luke-Jr dub: iz is correct [23:29]
iz how would the old clients behave via the new rules? [23:29]
Namworld We could probably have a new "balance" block created every 10k blocks lets say, stating all balances per address, and work with 2 or 3 such balance blocks and cut the previous ones as we go on. [23:29]
pigeons there isn't "balances per address" [23:30]
mircea_popescu ya, Namworld, that's not how this thing works. [23:30]
Luke-Jr Namworld: and how will new nodes know to trust that? [23:30]
iz kakobreklaa: please direct further questions about why you are wrong towards luke or someone you might take more seriously than me [23:30]
awkorama Luke-Jr: longest blockchain [23:30]
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kakobreklaa what the hell are you babling about, you can mine offline for all we care [23:30]
jcpham the merkles. use the merkles [23:30]
Luke-Jr awkorama: if you delete the history, they're all 1 block long [23:30]
awkorama Luke-Jr: until they are not [23:30]
mircea_popescu it's shocking to see how little understood bitcoin is. [23:31]
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awkorama mircea_popescu: compared to other currencies you mean ? [23:31]
jcpham i doubt anything actually shocks mircea_popescu [23:31]
mircea_popescu heh... you have a point. [23:31]
davout BREAKING NEWS : BITCOIN IS NON-TRIVIAL TECHNOLOGY [23:31]
mircea_popescu BOTH OF YOU OMG [23:31]
jcpham so what exactly is the dicussion [23:32]
mircea_popescu shit. well... meanwhile satoshidice just died [23:32]
jcpham i've been reading for a few minutes and i get lost [23:32]
mircea_popescu because rational miners haven't been including its transactions [23:32]
pigeons NO U [23:32]
mircea_popescu what to do what to do... [23:32]
dub jcpham: were talking about how mircea_popescu's cock is bigger than davout's [23:32]
jcpham oh [23:33]
awkorama ohw is that rational? don't they get transaction fees ? [23:33]
mircea_popescu davout doesn't have a cock, he's a girl. [23:33]
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mircea_popescu awkorama they get their fees in heaven. [23:33]
kakobreklaa mircea_popescu i think mtgox payes luke to include their txes [23:33]
dub girls cant have cocks too? [23:33]
mircea_popescu kakobreklaa ya, i seem to recall this incident in octomber last year... [23:33]
Namworld We can probably have on those every 10k blocks balance block some hash of the previous blocks inserted, one for each. If someone cares to verify them, download the historical data and check those blocks [23:33]
mircea_popescu dub they can have all the cocks they want [23:33]
dub THEY CAN IF THERE IS CONCESUS [23:33]
awkorama we just switched to random talk here [23:33]
jcpham i think pools and miners should have that option [23:33]
jcpham got could pay for priority txns [23:34]
jcpham *gox [23:34]
Ukyo Diablo-D3: there? [23:34]
Namworld along with its total lenght [23:34]
Ukyo Namworld: too.. pm :) [23:34]
jcpham i'm all for monetizing hashpower [23:34]
dub jcpham: they pay for feeless txns, or did [23:34]
Namworld The idea would be to assume that old data and lenght is accurate [23:34]
Namworld and verify them if you want to [23:34]
davout Namworld: there is no such thing as an address balance, you misunderstand the way transactions work [23:35]
Namworld but regular users could work on the short version [23:35]
Namworld I know there is no address balance currently [23:35]
davout it's not even "currently" [23:35]
mircea_popescu what's a concesus ? [23:35]
jcpham damn where did the 99 users come from [23:35]
davout transactions have scripts, that may or may not be more complex than N addresses output to M addresses with an optional TX fee [23:36]
mircea_popescu jcpham rational irc users. [23:36]
jcpham bitcoin is ruining freenode [23:36]
davout Namworld: this was already discussed back in 2010 [23:36]
jcpham :) [23:36]
Luke-Jr awkorama: SD costs miners more than the fees cover [23:36]
Luke-Jr awkorama: it also harms Bitcoin, reducing the value of them [23:37]
mircea_popescu bitcoin is ruining freenode <<< it is a testament to bitcoin's state that this statement is true when everyone knows how fucking ruined freenode was to begin with. [23:37]
Namworld How does SD costs miners? [23:37]
dub lilo ruined freenode [23:37]
Namworld other than verifying the transactions? [23:37]
Ukyo technically, SD is paying miners [23:37]
Ukyo not costing them [23:37]
mircea_popescu dude, srsly. stop with all the rationalization bullshit. just come out clean, say it. they make money , you'd like some, you think it's unfair etc. [23:37]
Ukyo they are or were a large portion of txn fees being paidout [23:37]
mircea_popescu "costs miners". [23:37]
Luke-Jr Namworld: every single node relaying the block needs to verify the transactions before it sends it on, so block propagation time increases and blocks get orphaned [23:38]
dub and dub has to throw away hardware [23:38]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: but those fees were never meant to cover the ACTUAL COSTS of mining the transaction [23:38]
Namworld and @davout: Ah well nevermind then. Just a random proposal, would require rewriting of how bitcoin network accepts transactions. [23:38]
Ukyo Then raise the fees [23:38]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: they're only there to DISCOURAGE spammers; which doesn't work for SD because it has an unlimited supply of idiot gamblers to cover the expense [23:38]
mircea_popescu lmao [23:38]
Ukyo thts not how I understand it [23:38]
mircea_popescu THEY ARE NOT SPAMMERS [23:38]
Ukyo txn fees are there to replace the BTC as its goes away [23:39]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: yes, raising fees is the "obvious" solution [23:39]
Ukyo or else when all coins are mined, no one will mine.. [23:39]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: problem is, until Bitcoin reaches critical mass, raising fees will kill adoption [23:39]
mircea_popescu raising fees will just mean other miners get it, end of story. [23:39]
mircea_popescu what eats him, basically, is that pretty much no miner cares about what he thinks on the matter. [23:39]
jcpham i was being ironic [23:39]
iz can't SD just raise fees for their transactions? [23:39]
jcpham re: freenode [23:39]
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Luke-Jr iz: yes, miners would be forced to raise fees high enough that the gamblers stopped playing basically [23:40]
davout Luke-Jr: code a forl that doesn't relay sd txes, i'll use it, seriously. [23:40]
Luke-Jr or SD stopped its DDoS [23:40]
Luke-Jr davout: already done [23:40]
iz or better yet, have the fees influence the % of payout slightly [23:40]
mircea_popescu or you got a job doing somethingelse ? [23:40]
Ukyo thats stupid luke [23:40]
pigeons iz: SD can't control what fees their users pay, and the fees would have to be very high to negate the negative effect [23:41]
Ukyo we are already at one half reward [23:41]
mircea_popescu srsly luke. bitcoin isn't for you. [23:41]
Ukyo txn fees should go up [23:41]
Ukyo to account for that [23:41]
mircea_popescu this is for smart people. why do you keep torturing yourself ? [23:41]
Ukyo that was the whole original basis [23:41]
mircea_popescu you can't cope, there's no rule every idiot under the sun has to be involved. [23:41]
iz pigeons: can't they just decide to reject any transactions that have a tx fee below X? [23:41]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: the basis was that ADOPTION would bring MORE fees [23:41]
pigeons yeah fees have gone waaay down since the start [23:41]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: not that fees would go up [23:41]
mircea_popescu do what cablepair did, focus on delivering rental party equipment or something [23:41]
Ukyo its been how long now [23:41]
Luke-Jr (fees will go up too, but that's not the main method) [23:41]
Ukyo and that basis has failed [23:41]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: it hasn't. SD is just forcing it to fail [23:41]
Ukyo 3 years and were getting .1btc per [23:41]
iz all they have to do is reject transactions with tx fees below what they want the new min to be [23:42]
Ukyo make them pay more [23:42]
Ukyo and it will help [23:42]
iz and other mining pools could still use normal lower tx fee, right? [23:42]
Ukyo most ppl dont care about a 0.001 txn fee [23:42]
Ukyo hell [23:42]
Ukyo most ppl pay 0.1 ~1btc on normal fees to other things [23:42]
Ukyo its priority optional anyways [23:42]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: low fees is currently a point driving bitcoin adoption [23:42]
Ukyo that was the basiss to get ppl in [23:42]
mircea_popescu i bet you nickles to dollars that increasing the fee would simply increase the % of tx belonging to sd. [23:42]
Ukyo no its not [23:42]
Ukyo has nothing to do with it [23:42]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: if you want bitcoin to succeed, increasing fees at this point is not a real option [23:43]
Ukyo bitcoin adoption is being driven by media [23:43]
iz i think part of the issue is that btc is deflationary and can be difficult for new users to get currency for [23:43]
mircea_popescu no, actually... bitcoin adoption is being driven by satoshi dice and mpex, in that order. [23:43]
Ukyo and its anoniminity, etc [23:43]
pigeons yeah i think this artificallhy low fee structure we currently have is unsustainable obviously [23:43]
Ukyo mp : hush you [23:43]
mircea_popescu all the blathering online a very vehehehehery distant third. [23:43]
mircea_popescu well... tis the truth. [23:43]
Ukyo :P [23:43]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: Bitcoin isn't anonymous. [23:43]
iz so even though a 0.005 tx fee isn't that much in real currency, it can seem like a lot if you only have 0.1 BTC to your name [23:43]
Ukyo tell that to the media [23:43]
Ukyo which reports it as such [23:43]
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Ukyo ppl sign up daily [23:43]
Ukyo thinking they are anon [23:44]
Luke-Jr davout: anyhow, https://gitorious.org/~Luke-Jr/bitcoin/luke-jr-bitcoin/commits/block_dice [23:44]
Ukyo getting to use bitcoins [23:44]
Ukyo Luke-Jr: : thats rediculas [23:44]
Ukyo your setting a president to encourage ppl to block address [23:44]
mircea_popescu aghahahaha that's cute [23:44]
mircea_popescu he even has code nobody uses! [23:44]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: good [23:44]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: that also helps bitcoin along [23:44]
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davout_ well Luke-Jr somehow has a point, as a simple node i really have no interest in relaying SD txes [23:45]
Ukyo luke: i thikn eleigus pool is hurting bitcoin [23:45]
dub Ukyo: this is surprising to you? He has destroyed entire chains by 51% them and blocking all transactions. [23:45]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: then you're wrong [23:45]
Ukyo i will ask all the other miners to block it [23:45]
Ukyo and pools [23:45]
Ukyo hey [23:45]
Ukyo you get to push ideas however right/wrong they are [23:45]
Ukyo I can do mine [23:45]
iz oh.. it's cuz of the relaying [23:45]
iz i get it [23:45]
davout_ i don't mean to say what other should do, but if i had an easy to way to not relay txes matching certain patterns i'd definitely do it [23:45]
mircea_popescu Ukyo it's possibly hurting, but it's so tiny as to not really matter. [23:45]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: well, I only push right ideas. [23:46]
mircea_popescu it's a sort of bitcoin zoo really. [23:46]
Ukyo right by YOU [23:46]
Ukyo its your opinion [23:46]
davout_ Luke-Jr: one day you'll understand that "right" and "wrong" are just your imagination [23:46]
Ukyo i mean, everyone else in here seems to be argueing aginst you [23:46]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: to a degree. and miners have the freedom to ignore transactions by design. [23:46]
Luke-Jr davout_: nonsense [23:46]
Ukyo so obvously other ppl dont shre your opinion [23:46]
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Luke-Jr Ukyo: well, mostly because not many people here have a clue [23:47]
Ukyo no [23:47]
Luke-Jr and mircea_popescu chases off the people who do [23:47]
Ukyo pp just dont agree that you need low fees to encourage ppl [23:47]
mircea_popescu ahaha! dude. you came here because i'm here. [23:47]
Ukyo mircea_popescu: : no, he lurks everywhere regardles [23:47]
mircea_popescu and also, http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/136000991663.jpg [23:47]
Ukyo sorry ego boy ;) [23:47]
davout Luke-Jr: sense, and non-sense are dividing stuff, it's like putting stuff in little boxes, right, wrong, good, bad, white, black small romanian cock, hard french rod, these are all imaginary [23:47]
mircea_popescu Ukyo pfff. [23:48]
* Ukyo sends mircea_popescu "I'm Bad.mp" by Michael Jackson [23:48]
Luke-Jr I'm even in #litecoin [23:48]
Ukyo mp3* [23:48]
pigeons /j #rucoin [23:48]
mircea_popescu so, Luke-Jr, when can i expect s.dice to be dead ? [23:48]
Ukyo he lurks in my chans even hehe [23:48]
davout mircea_popescu: cute [23:48]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3300 @ 0.00069003 = 2.2771 BTC [-] [23:48]
Ukyo actually [23:49]
Ukyo raising the txn fees, will re-encourage miners [23:49]
Ukyo more miners [23:49]
Ukyo more mining sustainability [23:49]
Ukyo increase more interest in ppl wanting to join bitcoin to mine [23:49]
Ukyo and use it [23:50]
mircea_popescu Ukyo not rly. the exchange rate is high atm, everyone's mining anyway [23:50]
jborkl Holy shit, you know how much crap I read to catch up [23:50]
Ukyo and if blocks paid out higher [23:50]
Ukyo due to txn fees [23:50]
mircea_popescu jborkl lol welcome. [23:50]
dub Ukyo: mining is not the use case for bitcoin [23:50]
jborkl Luke, just buy sdice stock, [23:50]
Ukyo even more ppl would jump [23:50]
davout Luke-Jr: if you want to be actually productive here is my advice : modify your fork so people can filter txes they wish to relay using arbitrary criteria, like regexp on the receiver address for example, make it consensual (that's probably where it's going to be hard for you) enough so it is accepted upstream [23:50]
jborkl for fucks sake [23:50]
Ukyo dub: it maintains the network. its a small use case [23:50]
mircea_popescu jborkl talk is cheaper than buyingstock. [23:50]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: btw, to elaborate on the precedent-of-blocking-addresses bit… Bitcoin is only workable if every transaction uses a new address anyway, so discouraging reusable ones is a good thing [23:50]
Ukyo I think txn fees should slowly increase over time, instead of "No more bitcoins generated. so BAM huge txn fee" [23:51]
Luke-Jr davout: that'd make it slower :/ [23:51]
Ukyo or you could put in a small txn fee at that time, and most miners wont care... [23:51]
Luke-Jr davout: right now, I'm not even decoding the address [23:51]
jborkl Well I mine- and to make more income I bought sdice ---with blocks from mining [23:51]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr that's good sometimes. fixed addresses enhance anonimity and are good for branding purposes. [23:51]
mircea_popescu so, it's a mixed bag. [23:51]
pigeons satoshi always said miners are supposed to decide which transactions to include in blocks [23:51]
davout Luke-Jr: well do, empower people to vote with their relay capability [23:51]
Luke-Jr jborkl: I would advise selling it. [23:52]
davout because atm nodes are rewarded for their hashing power, but not for the relaying [23:52]
mircea_popescu Luke-Jr wanna short it ? :D [23:52]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5074 @ 0.00069003 = 3.5012 BTC [-] [23:52]
davout it's either going to evolve into "relay gets fees too", or "miners-only" IMHO [23:52]
jborkl No, thanks I will keep it [23:52]
mircea_popescu davout relay isn't gonna get tx fee [23:52]
Luke-Jr davout: I only bother with dice because it hurts me really. not sure I care enough to spend the time on your suggestion, though I'd encourage you to bring it up as a possibility in -dev sometime when more devs are around [23:53]
pigeons let's ask RealSolid what he thinks [23:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C200T] 494 @ 0.12990002 = 64.1706 BTC [-] [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 1 @ 0.16454909 BTC [-] [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C190T] 496 @ 0.14947113 = 74.1377 BTC [-] [23:53]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C180T] 496 @ 0.17148704 = 85.0576 BTC [-] [23:53]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.C160T] 2 @ 0.22221004 = 0.4444 BTC [-] [23:53]
Ukyo okay [23:53]
Luke-Jr davout: plus, I expect such a potentially-controversial change would go over easier if someone else did it [23:53]
Ukyo now we are getting to it [23:53]
assbot [BTCTC] [RSM] 100 @ 0.01 = 1 BTC [+] [23:53]
davout mircea_popescu: if not we're going to end up with a network made only of miners, and miners won't have an incentive to relay fee-paying txes to their neighbors [23:53]
Ukyo your pool is suffering [23:53]
iz relaying is just the p2p part though, right? even non-mining clients relay transactions? [23:53]
iz or is that incorrect [23:53]
Ukyo so your mad [23:53]
Ukyo and its a personal issue [23:53]
mircea_popescu Ukyo doh [23:53]
Luke-Jr Ukyo: was. until I blcoked dice. [23:53]
davout Luke-Jr: code it and I'll submit it [23:53]
Ukyo then your done, let it be [23:54]
Ukyo moving on to a new subject [23:54]
Ukyo avalons [23:54]
Ukyo are still available [23:54]
Luke-Jr davout: like I said, not really sure it's worth my time :P [23:54]
Ukyo and will be relaunched soon [23:54]
Luke-Jr davout: most big miners and pools can compile.. :P [23:54]
Ukyo there are a great many orders that were placd [23:54]
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Ukyo and not paid for [23:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11211 @ 0.00069002 = 7.7358 BTC [-] [23:54]
Ukyo and those qty's will become available soon [23:54]
davout Luke-Jr: put your time where your mouth is [23:54]
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assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 30 @ 0.16714568 = 5.0144 BTC [+] [23:54]
assbot [MPEX] [O.BTCUSD.P200T] 970 @ 0.1706684 = 165.5483 BTC [+] [23:54]
pigeons while we're on asshattery: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=141163.0;topicseen [23:55]
mircea_popescu and will be relaunched soon << that clusterfuck,... [23:55]
davout anyway, the cock measurment contest is waiting for contenders after the flawless french victory over romania [23:55]
Luke-Jr pigeons: best to just ignore trolls [23:55]
mircea_popescu davout im sorry, i must have missed that over the sound of you slurping it ?! [23:55]
davout hah [23:56]
mircea_popescu visual aids : http://polimedia.us/dtng/c/src/135153836785.jpg [23:56]
mircea_popescu she's french. [23:56]
dub of course teh french word for victory is surrender, right? [23:56]
mircea_popescu hahaah [23:56]
davout mircea_popescu: if one day we ever physically meet i will insist on an actual penile measurment being performed by a local official [23:57]
mircea_popescu as long as its a female official [23:57]
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jcpham i'm not willing to purchase mining hardware with bitcoin [23:58]
mircea_popescu why not ? you too could be making pennies to the dollar over high risk capital costs! [23:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4321 @ 0.00069496 = 3.0029 BTC [+] [23:59]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5579 @ 0.00069515 = 3.8782 BTC [+] [23:59]
pigeons i'm certainly not paying for mining equipment that actually exists already [23:59]
dub jcpham: I'll swap my bfl preorder for your mom [23:59]
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