Forum logs for 03 Sep 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. [00:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.00069348 = 20.0416 BTC [+] [00:00]
mod6 not that they're not good info, or good signals in a market place. but if you go shopping and have to think about weather you can afford to buy something, you're not rich. [00:00]
trinque yeah granted [00:00]
asciilifeform he can set alarm clock, as mircea_popescu suggested, to watch a meteor shower. [00:00]
mod6 <+asciilifeform> rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. << yah, & alarm clock, job, et al. [00:00]
asciilifeform but it is an ~option~ [00:00]
pete_dushenski mod6: as if rich people don't weigh out costs and benefits ? [00:00]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i think you two are conflating at least three things. there is 1. "not having any ability to direct the course of public affairs, as encoded in "money" in this society" ; 2. "not having 1 and perceiving one should have it" ; 3. perceiving one should not have it. [00:00]
mircea_popescu i agree you're poor as per 3. you like to claim it's as per 1. [00:00]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i don't give a tinker's damn per public affairs.. only sleep-ad-libitum. [00:01]
asciilifeform these are 'packaged together', yes [00:01]
mircea_popescu your ass is public property in this view. [00:01]
pete_dushenski maybe i buy off-brand mac and cheese instead of 'kraft dinner', save $0.50, invest, be moar rich ! [00:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: aha. 'money with which to buy back own arse' is, approximately, what 'rich' means in my mind. [00:01]
mircea_popescu much like genitalia belong, indivise, to "the other gender" as a group [00:01]
mircea_popescu yes but the problem with that worldview is that it makes absolutely no sense. [00:02]
mircea_popescu you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property. [00:02]
mircea_popescu and this is purely a subjective problem, no matter what it masquerades as. [00:02]
asciilifeform more on account of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-04-2015#1090204 [00:03]
assbot Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road. [00:03]
asciilifeform if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club & take it. [00:03]
trinque seems you can't own just your ass [00:03]
trinque you have to own the context of the ass! [00:03]
asciilifeform also need the nukes. [00:03]
mircea_popescu trinque not if that tightly packed with other asses. [00:03]
mircea_popescu his tragedy, and make no mistake alf is a true tragic figure, [00:04]
mircea_popescu is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry. [00:04]
mircea_popescu you are not, incidentally, the first to confront this., [00:04]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu has, i think, separated the two ? [00:05]
asciilifeform using cyclotron, perhaps [00:05]
asciilifeform but separated. [00:05]
mircea_popescu early men building up the us as an industrial power did want the part where maggotry allows them to run textile mills [00:05]
asciilifeform taleb - separated. [00:05]
asciilifeform it can be done. [00:05]
mircea_popescu but they hated with burning passion the girls involved. which, i'm sure, in their worst nightmares sounded just like mats' bus linked above [00:05]
mircea_popescu so they invented this incredibly contorted torture mechanism for them [00:05]
mircea_popescu didn't do anything for either party. [00:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i can not answer for taleb. i can tell you that as far as i'm concerned, a) my ass actually enjoys the company and b) my head actually doesn't much care about the industry. [00:06]
mircea_popescu so my solution is merely lower temperature under the tragedy pot, nothing else. [00:06]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: your roquefort is flown in on what, dragon? [00:06]
mircea_popescu so ? [00:06]
asciilifeform or mechanical flying machine [00:06]
asciilifeform product of what, if not industry? [00:06]
asciilifeform do i catastrophically fail to grasp this ...? [00:07]
mircea_popescu and if i were in prison, i'd still have roquefort flown in, and it'd still be shared with some monkeys. [00:07]
trinque this is kinda what I mean about something like "you're smart, take the shartups for all they're worth" [00:07]
mircea_popescu and i still wouldn't mind. [00:07]
asciilifeform trinque: the problem is that they are not worth much [00:07]
asciilifeform trinque: if you are not among the annointed [00:07]
mircea_popescu i stuffed more of the finest sturgeon roe into random women than anyone you know. [00:07]
trinque I know a guy that makes like 120k building terrible web-pages [00:07]
mircea_popescu what else is roquefort for ? [00:07]
trinque I bet Galois pays more [00:07]
asciilifeform trinque: i bet he works a full shift [00:07]
asciilifeform ON FUCKNG OTHERRPEOPLESCODE [00:07]
trinque nah he farts around and drinks [00:07]
asciilifeform it's like eating other people's shit [00:08]
asciilifeform if you had to eat shit, [00:08]
asciilifeform wouldtcha rather eat own shit? [00:08]
trinque I dunno I have a sense of humor about it [00:08]
mircea_popescu tragic figure. [00:08]
trinque "oh my god, smell this" [00:08]
trinque ben_vulpes: ^ [00:08]
asciilifeform trinque: btw i will mention that there was a time when i was out of work and starving, and tried to do all kinds of things. the normal corporate folks could tell what kind of animal i was from ten minutes' conversation and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole. [00:10]
mircea_popescu and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/464ce498c71465cd582fba778a055a3c/tumblr_nb6dz6VqO71rxt77ao9_1280.jpg [00:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMniRc ) [00:10]
asciilifeform trinque: i even once applied for enslavement at nsa ! [00:11]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform how do you know this ? [00:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel [00:11]
mircea_popescu that what, "this guy is too independent thinker to hire" ? [00:11]
trinque what's the islamic concept re: lying to enemies? [00:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not in quite these words [00:11]
mircea_popescu but in substance ? [00:12]
asciilifeform aha [00:12]
mats 'taqiyya'? [00:12]
asciilifeform 'has never done anything but r&d, will run away after nanosecond when gets a chance' [00:12]
trinque mats: that's the one [00:12]
* mircea_popescu wishes he'd have the poetic skill of at least a tolstoy, to write The Story of Alf, [00:12]
asciilifeform l0l [00:12]
mircea_popescu a great tragedy it'd be too [00:12]
asciilifeform trinque: if i were any good at lying, i would already be working as a professional liar. considering that i live in the world's capital for these [00:13]
mircea_popescu why do you suck at lying ? [00:13]
asciilifeform or at least in hollywood. [00:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: idk, why do i suck at ping-pong ? [00:13]
mircea_popescu that is probably because you overcompensate. [00:13]
mircea_popescu "too tight, trying too hard" etc in parlance. [00:14]
asciilifeform what i really suck at is socializing with generic humans without wanting to eat a bullet almost immediately [00:14]
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mats such drama [00:14]
mats truly deserving of a screenplay [00:14]
mircea_popescu how come ? no curiosity ? [00:15]
asciilifeform same reason why most people don't relish chimp cage [00:15]
mircea_popescu whassat ? [00:15]
asciilifeform if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve. [00:15]
mircea_popescu people fucking pay to be around the chimp cage [00:16]
asciilifeform but not in. [00:16]
asciilifeform important difference. [00:16]
asciilifeform they ~would~ - do - pay to avoid being locked in. [00:16]
asciilifeform entire u.s. real estate racket is based on this fact. [00:16]
ag3nt_zer0 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260777 << http://www.wwtdd.com/2014/05/gluten-was-just-fucking-with-you/ [00:16]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point [00:16]
assbot Gluten Was Just Fucking With You – ... ( http://bit.ly/1LMnHTQ ) [00:16]
mircea_popescu is this "not having the circuitry" anything akin to "i cnat spael, i'm an artistic type" ? [00:16]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: it's more like 'i can't walk, had polio' [00:17]
trinque I dunno; you don't have to subscribe to their newsletter to talk [00:17]
mircea_popescu well if you feel like writing about this polio sometime i'll read it. [00:17]
trinque consider the person a specimen and ask questions [00:17]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260690 << i like how mircea_popescu comes back to this image. makes me often privately wonder if he did a tour of duty as an undertaker when young man [00:17]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 02:23:45; mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead. [00:17]
asciilifeform (there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field) [00:18]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it is in bad taste to kill people but be unfamiliar with the body's path through this world. much like eating cream but never having milked a cow, or eating meat but never having hunted, and so forth. [00:18]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: yup aside from celiacs it's bullshit [00:18]
mircea_popescu the point is made in passing in that discussion of rabbit killing. [00:19]
asciilifeform orwell had a piece concerning this, somewhere [00:19]
asciilifeform 'pacifist eats plenty of death but never cooks any himself' [00:19]
mircea_popescu aha. [00:19]
asciilifeform something to that effect [00:19]
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asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches. [00:24]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 03:14:19; assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:52:40; trinque: again, I wouldn't be surprised if it's some garbage that was in wheat production processes at some point [00:24]
asciilifeform too much roach ppm. [00:24]
asciilifeform in said product. [00:24]
asciilifeform (he would not do well in a ru flat. but allergy is really something you develop from hyper-hygienic conditions anyway. a man with roach allergy was an impossible thing where i come from) [00:25]
mircea_popescu you had cockroaches ?! in fucking russia ?! [00:26]
asciilifeform aha [00:26]
asciilifeform well, in what is now the land of the ukrs [00:27]
mircea_popescu that's... mindblowing. [00:27]
asciilifeform but it would be a mistake to suppose that they are absent from the northern latitudes [00:27]
* mircea_popescu had never seen a cockroach in the flesh before going to costa rica [00:27]
asciilifeform vermin follow man around, for as long as he heats his home [00:27]
mircea_popescu had serious problems overcoming the mild curiosity. i don't see them as THAT much of a pest yet actually. [00:27]
asciilifeform no roaches in ro?!! [00:27]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i had never ever seen one. [00:27]
* asciilifeform floored [00:28]
mircea_popescu i had seen a rat, once. [00:28]
mircea_popescu but it was more like a wilderness sighting of wonder than anything. [00:28]
mircea_popescu i didn't know anyone who had seen one. [00:28]
asciilifeform where i live now, rat is no less a thing than in any medieval town, i imagine. [00:28]
mircea_popescu i think maybe transylvania is not warm enough [00:29]
asciilifeform they are also titanically large [00:29]
mircea_popescu tho dc is iirc even further north [00:29]
asciilifeform we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels [00:29]
asciilifeform (both can do either, clearly, but 'specialty') [00:29]
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asciilifeform in my old flat i made use of a very spiffy kind of trap, true marvel of engineering, [00:30]
asciilifeform sorta like a miniature electric chair [00:30]
asciilifeform for rat. [00:30]
asciilifeform triggered by capacitance change in the floor grid (tubular-shaped vessel) [00:30]
asciilifeform early versions had a charge on the grid at all times, [00:30]
asciilifeform and caught nothing. [00:31]
asciilifeform (student exercise: describe ~why~.) [00:31]
mircea_popescu oh and acutally, the first time i EVER encountered a rodent as a domicile pest (of exactly three times total) is, iirc, on my blog somewhere. [00:31]
mircea_popescu coupla supercute mice in cairo apt. [00:31]
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* asciilifeform had mice, by the dozen [00:32]
asciilifeform the most objectionable, imho, thing about mice, is the stream of shit they leave behind [00:32]
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asciilifeform if it were not for this, might be difficult in a modern flat (with no sacks of grain to lose, etc) to even notice them. [00:33]
asciilifeform the mice infuriated me because they reminded me so much of human vermin. [00:33]
asciilifeform who also make it impossible to ignore themselves [00:33]
asciilifeform i remember the last two mice very well [00:34]
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asciilifeform clubbed them to death personally, with crowbar. [00:34]
asciilifeform right in the kitchen [00:34]
asciilifeform (they were injured by a trap, but still somehow running, at half pace) [00:35]
trinque my cat came home bloody today, must've killed some rodent or another [00:35]
asciilifeform vitamin m ! [00:35]
trinque wasn't his blood [00:35]
asciilifeform i tried once to keep a cat, in the old flat. he did not like it, escaped, tunneled through a grate and never seen again. [00:36]
trinque yeah, I let mine out; got him from somebody on craigslist in the woods in TX [00:36]
trinque they're fine animals if you let them do what they're made for: climbing trees and murdering smaller animals [00:37]
asciilifeform aha. cat belongs in the wild. [00:37]
trinque otherwise they turn into that sad window-gazing bastard that jumps at every noise [00:37]
asciilifeform the cats which orbit my current dwelling are almost ideal. [00:37]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment ! [00:38]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 00:52:58; mircea_popescu: 1st it's all about "why will you use something you control instead of something we control ? it's cheaper! environment! racism!" [00:38]
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trinque people ask me if I feed him enough. of fucking course I do; that's just a cat with muscle, not blubber [00:38]
asciilifeform they destroy vermin, and ornament the windows, trees. and, very rarely, will allow themselves to be petted. [00:38]
trinque yep [00:39]
asciilifeform trinque: when i moved to usa, i was initially puzzled why various animals were mis-shapen [00:39]
asciilifeform cat was fully 2-3x the size of 'cat' in my mind [00:39]
trinque because they're bought to be furniture [00:39]
asciilifeform ditto other creatures [00:39]
trinque dogs too [00:39]
asciilifeform i remember seeing a guinea pig [00:39]
asciilifeform my mother's lab had them, and my folks kept one as a pet for a spell, back home. it was small, ratlike animal [00:39]
asciilifeform in usa - almost lives up to its name, a pig. [00:39]
asciilifeform turned out, they feed'em corn. [00:40]
asciilifeform (or similar, processed feed) here. [00:40]
asciilifeform say what you like about the americans, but they are consistent in all things. [00:41]
asciilifeform the same thing is done to man and beast alike. [00:41]
trinque lol [00:42]
trinque corn for all gods creatures [00:42]
trinque remarkably similar result in each case [00:42]
asciilifeform even dog, somehow, is made to eat it. [00:42]
trinque that's sad [00:42]
trinque I feed animals meant to eat meat... MEAT! [00:42]
asciilifeform at least cat can run off and find, sometimes, his own meat [00:43]
asciilifeform dog is stuck. [00:43]
ben_vulpes trinque: is clearly not buying the nice frozen stuff. [00:43]
trinque I buy the primo shit from Meat on Burnside [00:43]
ben_vulpes nowai [00:43]
trinque yar [00:43]
ben_vulpes kg/wk? [00:43]
trinque maybe two bags a week; it's the freeze-dried stuff [00:44]
trinque prolly 1.5 [00:44]
asciilifeform trinque has a what, a tiger ? [00:44]
ben_vulpes babe is feeding dog broccoli as we speak [00:45]
asciilifeform !? [00:45]
trinque nah just house cats [00:45]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: using poor animal as garbage disposal? [00:45]
trinque haha [00:45]
trinque that thing's a healthy beast [00:45]
ben_vulpes dogs need fiber too, yo [00:45]
ben_vulpes the dog /is/ a garbage disposal [00:45]
asciilifeform isn't that what gristle is for ? [00:45]
ben_vulpes unlike the cat it has self domesticated to digest /anything/ we might discard. [00:45]
asciilifeform i thought that was the pig [00:46]
trinque dogs seem to be able to handle anything [00:46]
trinque I've seen 'em on the farm eating cow turds by the pound [00:46]
ben_vulpes the difference is minimal. you've seen, i'm sure, the 'pigs as pet' routine. [00:46]
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ben_vulpes that which the cow cannot digest, the dog might. [00:46]
asciilifeform now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. [00:46]
ben_vulpes !s rich man [00:46]
trinque asciilifeform: cat shit, cow shit, any shit really [00:46]
asciilifeform to the point that if there is any to be had, it will be a serious quandary to keep the beast away from it [00:47]
trinque I guess the cow stuff is pretty undigested [00:47]
trinque as far as turds go [00:47]
ben_vulpes my thing is a healthy beast /because/ of all of the scraps he gets. [00:47]
ben_vulpes not /corn/, mind you. but scraps of /food/. [00:47]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259465 << those retards couldn't get fucked with a free ticket to the whorehouse [00:52]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: they don't need to be clever to stuff folks into gasenwagens, machine-gun, torch, and bulldoze 'compounds', etc [00:54]
pete_dushenski just not addicted to facebook [00:55]
asciilifeform aha [00:55]
pete_dushenski which'd be a significant issue [00:55]
asciilifeform how much brain did gestapo need ? [00:55]
pete_dushenski brain =! distraction [00:55]
asciilifeform and beer was not distraction ? [00:55]
ben_vulpes i'm not saying that one need be clever, but that that particular group of morons is already the boogieman. [00:55]
pete_dushenski crack'd be closer and afaik crack wasn't a nazi issue [00:56]
ben_vulpes the feds will make a new arm for this. [00:56]
ben_vulpes tentacle, p'raps. [00:56]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: it is mainly because the thing currently called 'dhs' is just the renamed ministry of customs and border control [00:56]
* pete_dushenski can't read 'dhs' without thinking 'dhl' and thus, shipping [00:56]
ben_vulpes and customs and went where again? [00:56]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: in the hypothetical, it would roll up ~other~ armed folks (called, in ru, 'internal troops', in spain, 'guardia civil', etc) [00:56]
ben_vulpes DHS is a strictly derpy internal thing that sprung up on the largesse doled out to 'secure internal flights'. [00:57]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: there is dhl in ca ? [00:57]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: lulzy, i never knew. [00:57]
pete_dushenski and fedex, ups, the whole gammut [00:57]
asciilifeform pete_dushenski: over here, we also have something called 'laser ship', which is rather like 'uber' but for parcels. [00:58]
ben_vulpes US has same problem as RU in maintaining actual death squads: lack of moldable fodder. [00:58]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: d'you have Prime Now in the forbidden city yet? [00:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the 2hr thing? [00:58]
ben_vulpes is that what they advertise? [00:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: aha [00:58]
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ben_vulpes and lol can anyone actually drive to your place from the depot in less than two hours? [00:58]
ben_vulpes !up assbot [00:58]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: the nearest spot that has this is the baltimore sector. ask diametric about it. [00:59]
asciilifeform iirc he used it. [00:59]
pete_dushenski "Amazon Prime Now - Skip the Trip. One-Hour Delivery." [00:59]
asciilifeform delivered milk, eggs even. [00:59]
ben_vulpes achtung logreaders! [00:59]
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ben_vulpes the correct solution here is drive-by order pickup on arterials. [00:59]
ben_vulpes "shop all day, pick it up on your way home!" [00:59]
asciilifeform l0l that would be ideal here. [01:00]
pete_dushenski !chuy [01:00]
pete_dushenski !s chuy [01:00]
asciilifeform but inescapably reminds me of the east asian piss-motorcycles [01:00]
assbot 0 results for 'chuy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=chuy [01:00]
ben_vulpes i know! [01:00]
ben_vulpes wait, piss-cycle? [01:00]
asciilifeform (piss-men drive between cars in, e.g, shanghai, with jars, will let you piss for a coin) [01:00]
pete_dushenski http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33978116 << and i thought i was hairy-(ish) [01:00]
assbot The struggles of the world's hairiest family - BBC News ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCByLB ) [01:00]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26640 @ 0.00069348 = 18.4743 BTC [+] [01:02]
ben_vulpes http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you [01:03]
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* asciilifeform idly wonders how many of these he had found [01:03]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260068 <<< what did ya change? [01:04]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, didja ever get v-stator to build ? [01:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a sense of how much sense the thing made to folks [01:06]
ben_vulpes well i've not parsed v in its entirety into my head yet, and after bitcoin i'm loath to run software that doesn't fit in my head. [01:07]
asciilifeform bitcoin fit in your head ?!! [01:07]
* asciilifeform takes off hat [01:07]
ben_vulpes no no! [01:07]
ben_vulpes it's software that i must run that does not fit in my head! [01:07]
ben_vulpes idem gpg, client braindamage... [01:07]
asciilifeform anyway ben_vulpes is in luck, because i invented a marvellous pill for folks who had trouble fitting v in head [01:08]
asciilifeform .. [01:08]
asciilifeform rewrite it. [01:08]
asciilifeform yes. [01:08]
ben_vulpes haha [01:08]
asciilifeform in system of your choice. [01:08]
asciilifeform (befunge, if you like. qbasic. whatever.) [01:08]
ben_vulpes so why python and not cl, out of curiosity? [01:08]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: partly because there is no handy gpg callout lib for cl [01:08]
pete_dushenski bon soir! [01:08]
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ben_vulpes hm. [01:09]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: partly because cl is a 'heavy' runtime and not fit for use as a 'run ten times a minute' shell script [01:09]
asciilifeform it is a reluctant immigrant to unix [01:09]
asciilifeform wants to own the machine. [01:09]
asciilifeform (as it should) [01:09]
asciilifeform 'python' on the other hand is more like a less-carcinogenic perl. [01:09]
* asciilifeform was originally writing whole thing in sed and awk. [01:10]
* asciilifeform has written his lifetime allotment of perl. [01:10]
asciilifeform anyway, the advice was meant quite seriously. rewrite it. [01:11]
asciilifeform it is very plain what the thing does. [01:11]
asciilifeform and ben_vulpes is quite likely to do a cleaner job of it than i [01:11]
asciilifeform bonus points if you can do it in some abomination abhorrent to men and gods, like applescript or the like [01:13]
asciilifeform (provided that it works precisely as the original) [01:13]
asciilifeform do it in... forth [01:14]
asciilifeform this can be a kind of pons asinorum for masochists. [01:14]
BingoBoingo now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really. [01:25]
BingoBoingo http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you << ty [01:26]
assbot Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG ) [01:26]
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BingoBoingo * asciilifeform takes off hat << To inspect in head? [01:32]
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ben_vulpes asciilifeform: more lines is all you can be guaranteed of. [01:45]
ben_vulpes asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not? [01:47]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1259663 << this sounds eerily familiar [01:52]
assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 12:17:28; assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn ) [01:52]
ag3nt_zer0 good evening... [01:55]
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ben_vulpes buenos noches [01:55]
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ben_vulpes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 << there's this mine in romania... [02:00]
assbot Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 ) [02:00]
thestringpuller ben_vulpes: eerily familiar too? [02:01]
thestringpuller to* [02:01]
ben_vulpes some other 15 year old bitcoin wizard however long ago [02:01]
trinque ben_vulpes: "doesn't own the machine" sounds to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure" [02:01]
ben_vulpes how is /etc/hosts a cl data structure? [02:02]
trinque presumably on a lisp machine it would be some data structure in some system [02:04]
phf eh, no [02:04]
phf common lisp specification is written in a such a way that you don't need to know anything about the outside world to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation [02:04]
trinque *lisp OS, I meant [02:04]
trinque phf: and if that useful computation is DNS? [02:05]
trinque I was addressing "own the machine" not CL [02:05]
phf trinque: yeah, i'm also talking about owning the machine [02:05]
trinque so answer the question. where would a lookup table like /etc/hosts go if the system were completely made of lisp? [02:06]
trinque I'm feeling around in the dark, would love to know [02:06]
phf trinque: that's not a particularly interesting question [02:06]
phf but there's a pathname spec that lets your implementation answer that question for you [02:07]
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* trinque rolls his eyes [02:07]
ben_vulpes > pathname spec [02:07]
ben_vulpes > dns resolutino [02:07]
trinque apparently in pure lispland you'd never once DNS [02:08]
trinque mkay [02:08]
ben_vulpes cl is such a delightfully crazy mindset [02:08]
ben_vulpes nono [02:08]
ben_vulpes the impl handls the dns parts of pathnames [02:08]
phf why you write your dns of course in lisp [02:08]
ben_vulpes it's just a file on a server somewhere mang [02:08]
trinque both missing the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live [02:08]
trinque not where the actual fucking thing lives today [02:09]
ben_vulpes setq an alist that shit you care about uses to look things up? [02:09]
* ben_vulpes is not a lisper [02:09]
trinque yeah, that's what I said [02:09]
ben_vulpes phf: one day i'll find an interesting question, i swear [02:09]
trinque like for example in unixland you say "you make a file" for every question [02:09]
phf ben_vulpes: alright, that was an unfair comment, but i was trying to say that the focus is wrong. [02:10]
trinque presumably various aspects of actual hardware state would also be represented as data structures in lisp [02:10]
ben_vulpes trinque: imagine nic internals as clos objects [02:11]
trinque whereas you find that in /sys or /dev on linux [02:11]
ben_vulpes *nic* [02:11]
trinque or via some call [02:11]
trinque ben_vulpes: yeah that'd be hot [02:11]
* trinque still wants his purely functional firewall thinger [02:11]
ben_vulpes what's the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways [02:11]
trinque not much I guess [02:12]
trinque filesystem is a big farty key-value store [02:12]
ben_vulpes and WE HATE KV STORES [02:12]
phf you have to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on the first execution of (main) [02:12]
trinque yeah hosts was my pick because it's easy to see it being interesting globally [02:13]
phf trinque: hosts file would most likely be still implemented as a filesystem file [02:13]
trinque b-but, why [02:13]
trinque where's the fundamentalism in that [02:13]
phf your filesystem is implemented in lisp? [02:14]
trinque maybe the filesystem is just a giant swapfile [02:15]
phf but your file manipulation dictionary is speced out to be a somewhat conventional tree like file/directory thing [02:15]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, check it out, aussie artist making a mockery of your countrymen :P http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/dancing-with-costica-brisbane-artist-creates-buzz/6746014 [02:16]
assbot Dancing with Costica: Brisbane artist creates buzz with digitally-colourised glass plate photos - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZrPSL ) [02:16]
phf trinque: anyway, the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's the fact that you can't separate python semantics from the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms [02:18]
trinque ah I see; we were talking completely at crossways then [02:19]
phf there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and to a very significant part the details of the underlying unix [02:19]
phf yes :) [02:19]
trinque right, python is very much involved with unixisms [02:19]
ben_vulpes trinque: examples of unixisms deeply rooted in python? [02:20]
ben_vulpes ("how's the water today, boys?" "water?!") [02:20]
trinque ah well maybe more broadly than that; it's gonna be a system you can run c stuff, open files, do socket io, etc [02:21]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260077 << this has not escaped my notice and has blown my tiny mind [02:21]
assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 21:45:32; ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end [02:21]
trinque https://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html << like this guy's just unix socket programming like you'd do in C [02:22]
assbot 17.2. socket — Low-level networking interface — Python 2.7.10 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZstQ7 ) [02:22]
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trinque wraps the thing rather closely [02:22]
phf ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why that would be a controversial point. how does something like trig functions work in python? they don't, they are a call out to system level math library [02:22]
trinque psycopg for db, yep, very common for python to just tape various C libraries together [02:23]
phf same goes for sockets and file streams [02:23]
* ben_vulpes makes various gestures of distress [02:24]
phf i write way more python then lisp, there i said it [02:25]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.000703 = 4.7453 BTC [+] [02:26]
trinque don't we all :( [02:27]
ben_vulpes not davout [02:27]
trinque so ask me what holds the screen onto this X1 CARBON [02:28]
trinque go ahead [02:28]
ben_vulpes and not, to hit the other end of the spectrum, gabriel_laddel [02:28]
ben_vulpes trinque: cat hair? [02:28]
trinque fucking plastic [02:28]
trinque just broke [02:28]
ben_vulpes hahahaha [02:28]
ben_vulpes this 'macbook' is zamac. [02:28]
trinque carbon fiber they said [02:29]
trinque shit gum and duct tape [02:29]
ben_vulpes i ripped a part of the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun two weekends back [02:29]
mats https://d396qusza40orc.cloudfront.net/internetgiants/GatesTidalWave.pdf [02:29]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZtmrV ) [02:29]
ben_vulpes straight up fractured and popped out. not even deformation: catastrophic fracture propagation. [02:30]
ben_vulpes trinque: no fibers even? [02:30]
trinque this is where the hinge attaches to the screen [02:30]
trinque all plastic [02:30]
trinque nice strong metal hinge; that part's still doing great [02:30]
ben_vulpes frame probably has a few strands of cf [02:30]
ben_vulpes for show [02:31]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260178 << the mythical software company pulls in vastly more revenue than it takes to tame the complexity of producing the revenue. [02:33]
assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it. [02:33]
phf i thought consensus here was that real computers only come in atx tower cases [02:33]
ben_vulpes by virtue of writing the crud once and driving oodles of business through it. [02:33]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras? [02:36]
gribble The operation succeeded. [02:36]
assbot Logged on 02-09-2015 22:47:11; pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error [02:36]
trinque phf: yeah, this is mostly a mobile terminal [02:38]
trinque and a piece of shit one at that [02:38]
trinque I'll never purchase another Lenovo product [02:38]
phf my colleague has been telling me that x1 carbon is the best laptop. in fact he's been trashing my mbp over it [02:40]
trinque maybe he treats his better [02:41]
phf he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on this laptop, now that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and then removing ~~200 screws that attach the keyboard to the frame. [02:41]
trinque I had a 2007 black macbook that lasted 7-8 years [02:41]
phf "this is my laptop. there are many like it" [02:41]
ben_vulpes i dont know why anyone would treat an apple product as anything but a disposable terminal [02:43]
ben_vulpes nice terms tho [02:43]
trinque I doused elderbook (as it came to be called) with beer, coffee, god knows what else [02:43]
trinque dropped down stairs twice [02:43]
trinque carpeted, luckily [02:43]
trinque but that thing was a tank [02:43]
trinque felt the same way about a pentium 3 thinkpad I had [02:43]
phf ben_vulpes: i'm having a hard time finding a better laptop including later mbp models, which have gone downhill even more [02:44]
trinque I don't get the sense that Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it [02:45]
mats 2012 mbp is last good mbp [02:45]
trinque the "retina" was a piece of shit [02:45]
trinque had that, smashed it [02:45]
ben_vulpes great displays though [02:45]
trinque I am a barbarian, can't be trusted with delicate things [02:45]
ben_vulpes things are cookies these days, granted. [02:45]
ben_vulpes $bizpartner got the new delicate thing [02:46]
phf i think i have the last matte mbp screen, which is another thing [02:46]
ben_vulpes matte! [02:46]
* ben_vulpes swoons [02:46]
ben_vulpes i have an mbp, 15", only took it out to play eulora once and a while because i got ubuntu on it waaay ways ago [02:46]
ben_vulpes still way fast [02:47]
ben_vulpes has giant haring stickers on it [02:47]
mats i had some play time with a 'surface pro 3' and it was p good [02:48]
phf no hackathon stickers? ;) [02:48]
ben_vulpes what the fuck is wrong with you mats [02:48]
mats would own if it was $500 new [02:48]
ben_vulpes five [02:48]
ben_vulpes tool [02:48]
ben_vulpes i [02:48]
mats you hate me [02:49]
trinque ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has the right idea; just stack up old thinkpads [02:49]
trinque go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out the window [02:49]
phf a github sticker, a "vegan" sticker, a random hackathon sticker, an "anarchist" sticker and your startup's logo [02:49]
trinque the startup logo corner tends to stack up [02:49]
trinque mats: what does the keyboard feel like? [02:50]
trinque and when do we get actual products again? [02:51]
trinque 2070? [02:51]
mats its decently responsive and I like the action [02:52]
mats not good on the lap [02:52]
BingoBoingo I'll never purchase another Lenovo product << try the X1?0e education series. Cheap AMD options available and honest tough plastic for those damned kids. [02:52]
trinque maybe so [02:53]
trinque http://lifehacker.com/5524704/laptop-reliability-study-highlights-the-most-sturdy-laptop-makers << this is fucking pathetic [02:53]
assbot Laptop-Reliability Study Highlights the Most Sturdy Laptop Makers ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZvDmT ) [02:53]
phf i got a refurbished x61, it arrived with a broken fan, literally boots into "fan error" message [02:54]
phf BingoBoingo: does it run openbsd fine? [02:57]
mats I have a hard time justifying dropping ~1450 on a 13in MBA with 8gb or I would be on the aapl train [02:57]
trinque apple's a scam these days too [02:58]
mats not everyone can be ben_moneybags with the dedicated eulora mbp [02:58]
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phf (and what i mean by fine is video card, wifi and suspend to ram) [03:01]
BingoBoingo phf: My 120e does with a different wifi card [03:01]
BingoBoingo phf: Also I end up having to replace the fan annually, but probably because I take it out to smoke cigarettes with me. [03:03]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260443 <<< http://i.imgur.com/q9inT6v.jpg [03:03]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 00:51:01; mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro". [03:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1hBs61m ) [03:03]
trinque that internalization of feminist bullshit is disgusting [03:08]
* trinque waits for the portland morality police to cart him off [03:08]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo "concerns... oughta concern" [03:31]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Where? [03:33]
mircea_popescu latest article [03:33]
mircea_popescu on qntra. last para. [03:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261074 << the night is female i'll have you know. [03:33]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 04:53:19; ben_vulpes: buenos noches [03:33]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261120 << this is actually a good point huh. [03:35]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 05:09:59; trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store [03:35]
mircea_popescu there's no "directories" in any other sense than key prefixes. [03:36]
trinque yup, that's how I look at it [03:36]
mircea_popescu cazalla http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746126-3x2-700x467.jpg << compare the original with the "colorized". what all has changed ? yes, derpy "color". what else ? [03:36]
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mircea_popescu how has the adult looking 15 yo girl in the original turned into a retarded looking adult in the "upgrade " ? [03:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Sentence was a mess, should be fixed, also not the latest article [03:37]
mircea_popescu Lalomita County Museum << it's Ialomita ftr. [03:37]
BingoBoingo Colorizarion always renders the serious derpy because people can't compose color the right way [03:38]
mircea_popescu http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746094-3x2-700x467.jpg << check it out it's a fucking trend. how come the intelligent looking boy turned into ... whatever that is [03:38]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQggq ) [03:38]
mircea_popescu this is fucking sad. [03:38]
cazalla mircea_popescu, she is an artist, and they're having an exhibition, and that's that! [03:38]
mircea_popescu she's a tub of margerine, [03:38]
mircea_popescu is what she is. [03:39]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/jesus-fixed.jpg [03:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbQft0 ) [03:39]
cazalla "Ms Long said the feedback from the Romanian community had been overwhelming." [03:41]
cazalla "If anyone had the right to be offended it would be the Romanian community and yet, it's the opposite" [03:41]
cazalla i thought the man playing the fiddle was the most cringe worthy of them all fwiw [03:42]
mircea_popescu im not fucking offended. i just think she's stupid. [03:42]
mircea_popescu there's a difference. [03:42]
mircea_popescu or wait, did little miss margerine tub think photochopping is somehow controversial and ima hate a pelican ? [03:43]
thestringpuller http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad? [03:47]
BingoBoingo ;;bc,stats [03:56]
gribble Current Blocks: 372789 | Current Difficulty: 5.425663032788996E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 372959 | Next Difficulty In: 170 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 3 hours, 34 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None [03:56]
fluffypony lol thestringpuller [03:57]
fluffypony our Internet is reasonably good, it's just expensive [03:57]
fluffypony I have wireless to a fibre base station on a highsite, so latency is pretty low, 10mbps down / 1.5mbps up [03:57]
fluffypony and that costs ~$112 a month [03:57]
BingoBoingo http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423437/kermit-the-frog-new-girlfriend-denise-thin-miss-piggy [04:04]
assbot Kermit's New 'Girlfriend' Denise Is Thin, Feminists Outraged | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRlF5 ) [04:04]
BingoBoingo https://slimgur.com/images/2015/09/03/10f56ed378c096c97d61a96902ab5619.jpg [04:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRng9 ) [04:05]
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* mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS [04:08]
mircea_popescu leaving aside all the "need id to buy phone card" nonsense, this is just too out there. wtf [04:09]
cazalla you can buy them ready activated on gumtree (craigslist) with cash anyway if need be [04:12]
mircea_popescu they'll still charge for incoming [04:13]
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fluffypony when I was there in November I got a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile for $80 for a month [04:22]
fluffypony and that was unlimited everything (calls / SMS / data) [04:22]
mircea_popescu ima have it lookt into thx [04:23]
fluffypony http://www.t-mobile.com/cell-phone-plans/individual.html# [04:24]
assbot Cell Phone Plans | Cheap Cell Phone Plans & Unlimited Data | T-Mobile ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbSkVZ ) [04:24]
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fluffypony what's actually quite nice is that it also has unlimited SMS and unlimited data when roaming in 120 countries, BUT the roaming data speed is capped at 128kbps [04:25]
fluffypony still good enough for email and messaging [04:25]
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punkman so much logz [04:33]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 I've bought unpasteurized a few times but I just boil it at home [04:39]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby [04:39]
cazalla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along? [04:41]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 03:35:40; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment ! [04:41]
mircea_popescu disposable, for the record, is in no way bad for the environment. it consists of mixing celulose pulp with human excrement and burrying it. this is a much better use than mixing cellulose pulp with pigments and then storing it on shelves. [04:43]
cazalla i don't think good or bad for environment ever crossed my mind.. cannot buy cloth anywhere and tbh i don't fancy scraping the shit from them and couldn't sell the idea to missus [04:47]
cazalla "but your mother did it this way, my mother did it this way, you should too!" [04:47]
mircea_popescu not too hard to make your own disposable cloth diapers anyway. just buy some cheap metrage and cut it up. [04:49]
deedbot- [Trilema] BitBet (S.BBET) August 2015 Statement - http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-august-2015-statement/ [04:51]
punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260944 << I have one that tunnels, I plug the hole (last time with concrete), he tunnels out again. Nobody has ever seen this rat and it's been years. [05:11]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 03:27:07; asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels [05:11]
mircea_popescu punkman : get a plumber's snake, a rag and gasoline. affix the rag to the bit, soak it, light it and shove it in as far as you can reach [05:12]
mircea_popescu it rarely kills it but they move. [05:12]
fluffypony https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHynGQ9Vg30 [05:13]
assbot Whites Only? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1ECYY4E ) [05:13]
punkman I have flooded it with water a few times [05:13]
mircea_popescu that doesn't do anything [05:14]
mircea_popescu natural phenomena [05:14]
mircea_popescu fluffypony lmao, his hand doesn't properly reflect! [05:15]
fluffypony heh heh [05:15]
punkman hah [05:15]
mircea_popescu in other news, i was today in an elevator which insistently stated that max weight = 150kg [05:16]
mircea_popescu one of those old style things you see in 1950s french movies. [05:16]
mircea_popescu i imagine the grief of couples in that building you know, they move in as 20somethings, can take it together [05:16]
mircea_popescu then one year comes [05:16]
mircea_popescu one sad, sad year, when the elevator won't start anymore [05:17]
mircea_popescu "oh, it's the shopping bags". [05:17]
mircea_popescu and for a while it is [05:17]
mircea_popescu but then... [05:17]
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punkman http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261041 << I'm gonna name my rewrite "vit" [05:22]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 04:05:47; asciilifeform: rewrite it. [05:22]
cazalla wouldn't the sign just go ignored? [05:22]
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mircea_popescu cazalla not like it starts overweight [05:56]
mircea_popescu you can ignore it all you want, it'll ignore you right back [05:57]
mircea_popescu and with that, tada! [05:57]
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thestringpuller why do you want a confederate flag trinque ? [13:01]
thestringpuller wb mircea_popescu [13:01]
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trinque thestringpuller: because I want Texas to secede :) [13:04]
trinque also it looks cool [13:04]
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trinque thestringpuller: there were a number of sensible things in the Confederate constitution as well [13:12]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261361 << global warming hue hue [13:15]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 10:59:18; pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities" [13:15]
mircea_popescu wtf is Quinoa [13:15]
mircea_popescu ;;ud Quinoa [13:16]
gribble http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quinoa | Gullible white middle-class person: Oh, we only eat quinoa these days. It's more ethical than other crops; you can tell because it costs more, so it must be ... [13:16]
mircea_popescu "The fact is that the economic growth we had in the last quarter was in line with expectations. Of course it bounces around from quarter to quarter but it was in line with our overarching expectation." <<< bwahaha who is this ignorant twerp. he looks like an indigent and speaks like an indigent, too! [13:17]
thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/ << Wonder how many downvotes a comment referencing MPEx will get [13:18]
mircea_popescu "Features that make CockroachDB unstoppable What a database needs in 2015" << fuck that nonsense, what's the year got to do with anything. [13:18]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller infinity, who would want to use a private stock exchange that has a proven track record of everything. [13:19]
mircea_popescu it's reddit after all. [13:19]
thestringpuller havelock still exists? [13:20]
mircea_popescu Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone << holy shit that rules. [13:20]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller more or less in the manner picostocks still exists. [13:21]
thestringpuller https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/cupdl1r << "GLBSE did. It was magical. But the SEC shut it down. Theymos has all rge money from it." << dunno if sarcasm. [13:21]
thestringpuller GLBSE was anything but magical, but mmkay. [13:21]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << yeah been going on forevar. [13:22]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car" [13:22]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller plox to not import multiple versions of the same stupid into ba thx [13:23]
thestringpuller my b [13:24]
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mircea_popescu "Will there ever be a point in time where bitcoin will be so easy to use that it won't be intimidating for the average Joe?" [13:24]
mircea_popescu no! [13:24]
mircea_popescu "the average joe" does not belong above ground, either. [13:24]
fluffypony the extraordinary joe, on the other hand [13:25]
*jurov* no, it's not related [13:26]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261449 << errything in moderation. [13:27]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 14:21:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa... [13:27]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw. [13:28]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 14:25:01; asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ? [13:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay. [13:30]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 14:27:05; asciilifeform: many american ones do not. [13:30]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless. [13:31]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 14:29:28; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth. [13:31]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244828 << to expound on this a little. there are two fundamental contexts for defeat, and only two. you probably know them from engineering : if a) your fundamentals are sound, you refine the implementation ; if b) your fundamentals are rotten you change the fundamentals. [13:34]
assbot Logged on 20-08-2015 01:15:46; mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on. [13:34]
mircea_popescu thus a is a "minor bug" and b is a "we have to refactor". [13:34]
mircea_popescu exactly the same is the situation in politics, which are throughout software. if the country is run by unfit men, which is the very definition of socialism, the fundamentals are ipso facto rotten. everyone knows they are rotten. the only reason things carry on is because "well, it works", ie, it hasn't crashed yet. once it crashes, that's it, off to the scrap heap. [13:35]
mircea_popescu socialism doesn't take defeat well the same way crappy software doesn't take failure well. [13:36]
mircea_popescu meanwhile if the country is run by fit men, defeat only strengthens the resolve. a fine example are the early roman republican defeats, which merely served to raise more army behind the senate, [13:36]
mircea_popescu or for that matter the numerous setbacks and defeats of the us rebel army up to and including valleyforge. [13:36]
mircea_popescu (this is also why socialism is so keen in inventing imaginary enemies. the drain on resources faux "wars" with imagined boogaboos impose is bad, but not terminal. the advantage of an enemy that can never actually come in and defeat you, for lack of existence, is unparalleled. and so it goes.) [13:38]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the only good thing coming out of that parade (an event imbecile "world leaders" are not going to - and should be hanged by their constituencies for not having attended, if those constituencies weren't made up of retards) is that xi specifically mentioned discrimination as bad. this is an improbable stance for china. [13:41]
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mircea_popescu and "potential new users" are going to "leave ship". << lol davout [13:46]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261556 << i'll bite. what is the option ? [13:58]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay. [13:58]
ascii_field the broomstick ? [13:58]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261554 << over here, they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id [14:03]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 16:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw. [14:03]
ascii_field (then, naturally, parallel-construct.) [14:04]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261558 << how might one have, physically, low-latency without high bandwidth? you could serialize the bits, and immediately get the other. it is only high bandwidth that does not automatically imply low latency [14:05]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless. [14:05]
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BingoBoingo but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball << Maybe it is because MPEx skipped its summer vacation this year? [14:39]
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BingoBoingo jurov: I don't know exactly, but Maybe the server is cranky? [14:54]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 << who're you using? [15:01]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby [15:01]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586 << its an obvious place for the market to be right now. gotta aggregate demand. [15:10]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones [15:10]
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ascii_field ben_vulpes: continued here, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260730 [15:11]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 02:43:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip. [15:11]
ben_vulpes well your "here" is batshit nuts amigo. [15:12]
ascii_field wai wat - ben_vulpes does not see this segmentation where he lives ? [15:13]
ascii_field e.g., can buy antibiotic-free but gmo-enabled chicken ? [15:13]
ben_vulpes there are enough reasonable sane people here to make farmers markets within walking distance of my house 4/7 days of the week financially viable. [15:13]
ascii_field similar here [15:14]
ascii_field not what i was talking about. [15:14]
ascii_field was discussing - specifically - stores. [15:14]
ben_vulpes quit bullshitting, nothing is in walking distance of your house! [15:14]
ascii_field wai wat [15:14]
ascii_field farmer's market is 10 min of walk away [15:14]
ben_vulpes leastaways that was a complaint i heard from you once. [15:14]
ascii_field the woman is there right now. [15:14]
ben_vulpes hm. [15:14]
ascii_field over here, it's a weekly thing [15:14]
punkman food supply also needs WoT [15:15]
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ben_vulpes stores? [15:15]
ben_vulpes people who eat manufactured food - eat manufactured food. [15:16]
ascii_field ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? [15:17]
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ascii_field phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money. [15:28]
ascii_field (in addition to the usual fees, etc) [15:28]
ascii_field this is actually tangentially related to the market thing earlier with ben_vulpes [15:29]
ascii_field in that THERE IS NO ALT-PAYPAL because THERE IS NO ALT-EBAY [15:29]
kakobrekla last time i had a dispute solved by paypal, i was overcompensated. [15:29]
punkman ebay is not that different to amazon these days [15:30]
kakobrekla in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess". [15:30]
ascii_field punkman: amazon is not a sole source for anything [15:31]
punkman and ebay is? [15:31]
ascii_field ebay is. [15:31]
ascii_field where the fuck am i supposed to get, e.g, specific bracket for specific circa-1992 laptop ? [15:32]
punkman such as? [15:32]
ascii_field or soviet z80 cpu of particular east german factory [15:32]
ascii_field or, or, or, [15:32]
ascii_field times 1,001 in a year or less [15:32]
ascii_field srsly, if the answer is 'don't do that, instead put this broomstick up your arse' then fuckyou [15:33]
ben_vulpes http://www.geekwire.com/2015/watch-boeing-demolish-this-old-757-for-recycling/ [15:33]
assbot Watch Boeing demolish this old 757 for recycling - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXY99a ) [15:34]
punkman ebay has been optimizing for "chinese supermarket" sellers for a long time now. [15:36]
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ascii_field punkman: aha. [15:40]
punkman ascii_field: your argument has merit, but I don't think for long [15:40]
ascii_field ? [15:40]
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kakobrekla http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261620 < https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zgXnSKgopY#t=5m30 [15:43]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 18:28:40; kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess". [15:43]
assbot You gonna shoot me? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXZYTy ) [15:43]
ascii_field punkman et al: notice how paypal is among the most hated firms in the world, prolly right up there with microshit; and yet there is no escape from it if you use ebay [15:47]
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ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117015 << see also. [15:53]
assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 21:29:20; ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc. [15:53]
ascii_field and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1116992 [15:53]
assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 21:21:12; ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too [15:53]
phf they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id << they do? i don't even know how many sims i have, they have all kinds of practical applications! sms proxies, rc helicopters, remote triggered explosive devices, what? [15:54]
ascii_field phf: if you're ~connected~ with more than a handful, you are flagged. [15:54]
ascii_field precisely how many and within what geographic spot constitutes 'interesting', i do not know. ask the inquisitor when it's your turn in the room 101 chair. [15:55]
ascii_field the main flagging criterion as per various leaked papers is 'sim that connects only occasionally' [15:55]
ascii_field it is auto-interesting. [15:56]
phf well, damn [15:57]
phf elsewhere on the internet http://www.ebay.com/itm/181823958627 [15:57]
assbot Vintage HP 16C Computer Scientific Calculator Plus Original Manual and Case 766897448522 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOKcr0 ) [15:58]
phf $350 [15:58]
ascii_field i got one of these. [15:58]
ascii_field and WHERE THE FUCK OTHER THAN EBAY could i have gotten it. [15:58]
ascii_field monopoly. [15:58]
kakobrekla they sell those too on ebay. [15:59]
phf naturally all the retro names fetch a pretty penny [15:59]
ascii_field phf: it isn't about 'retro name' but about the only programmer's calculator ever made [15:59]
ascii_field as in, does shr and shl, and/or/xor/not, hex->dec->oct->bin, each of these with 1 keypress [16:00]
ascii_field and 64 bits of working reg [16:00]
ascii_field i use this thing every day. [16:00]
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phf there's that conversion project, that takes one of the modern hp calculators and adds a programmer friendly firmware. the layout is not as good though [16:01]
ascii_field i don't want the 49 series with their idiot vertical layout and tiny keys [16:01]
phf http://commerce.hpcalc.org/34s.php [16:01]
phf right [16:01]
assbot WP 34S Scientific Calculator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY2LMn ) [16:01]
ascii_field and FUCK NO do i not want multiple keypresses for the above ops [16:01]
ascii_field classic 'here have this thing that isn't actually the same at all' [16:02]
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phf "why would you need it? when you can have an ipad app version!!" [16:02]
BingoBoingo ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? << Doesn't the oil render of the MEGA_Hippie pork lardons? [16:03]
ascii_field and even if it were the correct size & shape, I AM NOT FUCKING WRITING ON KEYS WITH PEN [16:03]
ascii_field srsly [16:03]
shinohai ascii_field: I liked this post of yours: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 would indeed be interesting to materialize. [16:03]
assbot Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY30Hl ) [16:03]
ascii_field shinohai: it materialized, i used it for years. [16:03]
shinohai O.o [16:03]
phf ascii_field: guy who wrote firmware also distributes laminates. i hear you, but it's the whole poverty point, for me it was a step up from "why the fuck can't i get a decent rpn calculator?" i tried iphone apps even.. [16:04]
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ascii_field phf: it is better to use a really good computer proggy, like 'derive', than a shit calculator [16:05]
phf i've noticed that. i have a pretty hacked up ccl repl, that does math for me in infix notation, and that's something that i reach for in anger. i'd like something as easy, and preferably portable [16:06]
ascii_field the lack of an EXACT knockoff 16c anywhere on the planet is among the best evidence for mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'no one programs' [16:07]
phf nobody's going to go out of their way to satisfy the needs of 100 people or so, who are also temperamentally ascetics [16:10]
phf except for medici of course [16:10]
phf but we have shortage of those [16:10]
ascii_field those ran out long ago. [16:10]
BingoBoingo Preemptive cookies for Jurov http://api.ning.com/files/q4DlaPxOl30An1vq5BH1xup*L3TjUhA*VuHXVLNC7b7OyRIS6ii9zq14GkCVv9LP5zzdXiWZAHQMdUfck0wMd7hYnqDQdplV/CareBearandRainbowTray.JPG [16:11]
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phf ascii_field: have you used calc at all? [16:13]
ascii_field aha [16:13]
ascii_field thing is, i like doing things away from computer. [16:13]
ascii_field jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-09-2015#1258008 [16:14]
assbot Logged on 01-09-2015 03:05:59; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive. [16:14]
ascii_field it will boot on raw iron or on any reasonable emulator [16:14]
phf i'm disappointed that amazon caved and went the retard route with their kindle. i've gotten as far as booting temacs on kindle, back when it still had a shitty but hardware keyboard, gave up when i saw version two with touch screen, left in disgusts when fire came out [16:17]
ascii_field phf: 'dx' was imho the only usable machine from them [16:17]
ascii_field everything else - dross [16:17]
phf i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer.. [16:19]
trinque ! DOS toys [16:22]
phf but that goes with the whole "market of 100 people" [16:22]
phf https://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/product-DPTS1/?PID=I:digitalpaper:digitalpaperproductpage target market lawyers, government and "higher ed" [16:24]
ascii_field phf: iirc this is a piece of shit [16:25]
ascii_field it runs winblows [16:25]
ascii_field it also has laughably low res [16:26]
ascii_field (nothing close to 300 dpi) [16:26]
phf probably could be reversed, but at the price point nobody with that amount of free time will bother. there's a chinese firmware hack, that replaces kindle's os [16:27]
ascii_field i had this on my dx, they are invariably shit [16:31]
ascii_field full of supposedly-tolerable 'minor imperfections' like most opensource garbage [16:31]
BingoBoingo http://www.mysanantonio.com/lifestyle/article/College-junior-rides-her-Barbie-Jeep-adound-6478450.php#photo-8564704 [16:33]
assbot Texas State student rides her Barbie Jeep around campus after DWI arrest, Internet loves it - San Antonio Express-News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POa0o7 ) [16:33]
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phf imho that was the first wave of retards in linux the whole "linux on desktop" thing, shifted massive amounts of resources towards догоним и перегоним. instead of bullet proof fvwm or whatever, you now have a dozen of windows ripoffs with "minor imperfections", but don't worry there's a libfoo that adds exposé support to your terminal characters [16:35]
ascii_field this was a plague for many many years [16:35]
ascii_field starting with gnome/kde [16:35]
ascii_field but with regards to 'chinese firmware' i meant the opposite end of the plague [16:36]
ascii_field 'none of the buttons work but that's ok, you can press morse with power switch to scroll' [16:36]
phf hehehe [16:36]
ascii_field aka 'linux on laptops' [16:36]
shinohai The most 'murican gun ever BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTy-Z6rBMLQ [16:36]
assbot Video: CAIR-FL Calls New Assault Weapon Inscribed with Bible Verse a ‘Shameful Marketing Ploy’ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1POauuh ) [16:36]
ascii_field what's it say? 'i come not with peace but a sword' ? [16:37]
ascii_field 'eye for eye' ? [16:37]
phf http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/09/28/article-0-18565E9200000578-190_634x424.jpg [16:38]
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trinque "deter muslim terrorists" lol [16:38]
phf this is probably not the best example but there's only so much time you can spend googling "ak-47 allah" at a packed lebanese cafe [16:39]
BingoBoingo shinohai: "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD."? [16:39]
trinque http://www.spikestactical.com/crusader-w12-mlok-dynacomp-2-p-1319.html [16:39]
assbot Crusader w/12 M-LOK & Dynacomp 2 [STR5525-M2D] - $1,395.00 : Spikes Tactical ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaSJk ) [16:39]
shinohai Hell, having a bible verse on a rifle discourages *me* from using it. [16:40]
ascii_field l0l this reminds me of the 'hello kitty' rifle [16:40]
BingoBoingo shinohai: "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar."? [16:40]
ascii_field popularly bought by wife to discourage husband from hogging it at target practice day [16:40]
ascii_field srsly, walk into any u.s. gun shop, there they are, bright-pink kalash, etc [16:41]
phf http://www.riflegear.com/blogimages/ShootingKitty1.jpg [16:41]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb4Z1 ) [16:41]
trinque http://biblehub.com/tsk/psalms/144-1.htm [16:41]
assbot Psalm 144:1 TSK: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for battle and my fingers for warfare, ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb5we ) [16:41]
trinque Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle; [16:41]
trinque http://www.spikestactical.com/images/crusader-5_04.jpg [16:42]
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trinque danielpbarron: found your gun ^ [16:42]
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trinque !up ascii_field [16:42]
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BingoBoingo shinohai: "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense."? [16:42]
shinohai Maybe danielpbarron can tell us if it fulfills a prophecy. Bible is out of my league. [16:43]
shinohai Though I do want a copy of that "Queen James" Bible translation to keep on the shelf for when Mormons come over.r [16:44]
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BingoBoingo ^ [16:48]
BingoBoingo Also greek allows maximum trollage when you tell Missionaries the original text isn't all that exciting [16:48]
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shinohai lol [16:49]
trinque these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine [16:49]
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trinque http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/europe/migration-crisis-aylan-kurdi-turkey-canada/ << meanwhile the propaganda machine says "save the poor syrian refugees!" [16:52]
shinohai I honest;y don't have a problem with most, except the real real fundies [16:52]
assbot The Queen James Bible: 9780615724539: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1POcrH7 ) [16:53]
trinque shinohai: I see it as just another way to line people up into some semblance of a command structure [16:54]
shinohai Onward Christian Soldiers [16:57]
phf trinque: my main issue with fundamentalists and their ilk is that they are busybodies and tend to get into other people's business. none of that "render unto caesar". not to mention that the whole badass christian patriarch stance is pathetic, because its false. [17:00]
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trinque phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed. [17:10]
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trinque the alternative at least in the US seems to be this social-media narcissism which feels not just justified but entitled to arbitrary beliefs [17:11]
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trinque phf: also elaborate if you would on how the "badass christian patriarch" is false? [17:14]
ascii_field trinque: no shortage of this. picture the 'patriarch' in usg divorce court [17:15]
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ascii_field or in usg jail for having 'eye for an eye'-d [17:15]
ascii_field or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism [17:15]
ascii_field which end in a sore starfish and little else [17:15]
trinque wouldn't he say that he'd like the laws changed further in his favor in those cases? [17:15]
ascii_field would like a pony also. [17:15]
trinque but yes, not much he can do here and now [17:15]
trinque and most of these people don't see that the american system resulted in precisely that predicament [17:16]
ascii_field they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' [17:17]
BingoBoingo !b 8 [17:18]
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trinque yep, I was briefly interested in this "Oath Keepers" thing, but they're ironically exactly the white counterpart to #blacklivesmatter [17:18]
joecool hrm, was I purged from the WoT graph? catching up on trilema and the logs that appears to be the case? [17:18]
trinque marching around, yes with guns, but for display [17:18]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1234850 [17:18]
assbot Logged on 11-08-2015 13:45:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath [17:18]
BingoBoingo !gettrust joecool [17:18]
assbot Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 4 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/ [17:18]
joecool http://trilema.com/2015/a-new-lordship-list/ < [17:19]
assbot A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O ) [17:19]
trinque "should they later find the time, interest and inclination to contribute substantially (as I have no doubt any actually could), there's going to be more revisions." [17:20]
BingoBoingo Ah, subtracted for low activity, and lack of any specific known pledge of allegience it seems joecool [17:21]
BingoBoingo !gettrust assbot joecool [17:21]
assbot Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/ [17:21]
BingoBoingo Still got that level 2 swag though [17:21]
joecool I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things [17:23]
joecool nice job with qntra.net by the way, I read that daily [17:23]
BingoBoingo Thanks. [17:23]
BingoBoingo I just try not to suck. [17:25]
trinque this "syrian toddler" thing is everywhere. must be time for war [17:27]
ascii_field trinque: how else to get american airforce into the meatgrinder, for ru to practice on [17:28]
joecool Best to have realistic goals I suppose. The bitcoin news sites that suck group is pretty crowded anyway [17:29]
ascii_field been far too long since vietnam, neither side even remembers what the other looks like, other than from old photos [17:29]
trinque haha, maybe we'll have a nice reunion soon [17:29]
trinque seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it [17:31]
trinque our DC idiots will probably walk right into it [17:31]
trinque http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2015/0903/Putin-showcases-Russia-s-pivot-to-Asia-as-he-visits-China-for-WWII-parade << making a point to appear together more often [17:33]
assbot Putin showcases Russia's pivot to Asia as he visits China for WWII parade - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYgy5y ) [17:33]
mats 14:30:38 <+ascii_field> times 1,001 in a year or less << aliexpress? [17:36]
ascii_field mats: were you paying attention when i specifically mentioned ancient hardware ? [17:36]
ascii_field FIND ME A MOTHERFUCKING HP200LX ON ALI [17:36]
ascii_field fine me a ~USED~ sherline four-jaw lathe chuck on ali. [17:37]
mats touchy [17:37]
ascii_field find me a 2007 amd opteron socket-1207 cpu on ali. [17:37]
trinque http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/171894038739?ul_noapp=true&chn=ps&lpid=82 [17:38]
assbot Used HP 200LX PC 2MB RAM w Agilent Wave Viewer Card | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYheIb ) [17:38]
ascii_field trinque: i am listing only objects i already have [17:38]
ascii_field and that cannot be had anywhere other than ebay. [17:38]
trinque ah; well this thing looks cool [17:38]
ascii_field 'have good luck and know someone selling it' is not an alternative [17:38]
ascii_field i have shit luck and don't know anyone who has anything i want. [17:39]
trinque 0 results found for macivory, so we searched for m ivory << no kidding [17:39]
ascii_field trinque: some items even on ebay i had to wait for years to find. [17:40]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261614 << more like recent decade. [17:42]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 18:26:06; ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money. [17:42]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: 2014 rule [17:42]
kakobrekla in yurop is different, every country has online flea markets in their own language, many of them quite obscure. you find many gems if you can navigate that. [17:42]
mircea_popescu "oh,. bitcoin needs larger blocks, because to compete with paypal's three week poayment processing!!1" [17:42]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla i suspect that won't last too long. [17:42]
ascii_field kakobrekla: i buy things that literally one out of a million people has to sell. [17:43]
ascii_field kakobrekla: and i don't have a sotheby's budget to do it with, either. [17:43]
ascii_field hence ebay. [17:43]
kakobrekla but its most often taht you need to drive to pick it up as seller doesnt give a shit to post it, even if you offer pay. [17:43]
phf trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"? [17:43]
kakobrekla ascii_field i have found one in a million things there that ebay could not provide. [17:44]
ascii_field kakobrekla: same. many times [17:44]
trinque phf: eh, I don't think you know my rednecks [17:44]
ascii_field kakobrekla: but when i ~do~ find the magic artifact, it is 100% on ebay. [17:44]
trinque not saying I believe in the bible myself, but they do, and have read and studied it [17:44]
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ascii_field this is not because ebay is a great thing, but because it has killed everything else remotely comparable. [17:44]
ascii_field long, long ago [17:44]
phf trinque: tell your redneck to go to his church and say out loud that he beliefs that divorce is a sin, that woman that initiates a divorce can no be redeemed in the eyes of god, etc. [17:45]
phf *believes [17:45]
thestringpuller http://insidebitcoins.com/news/erik-voorhees-defends-coinbase-at-texas-bitcoin-conference/34638 << is voorhees going to the dark side? [17:45]
trinque they do. [17:45]
trinque there's a whole other world outside the cities, and its not all inbred [17:45]
kakobrekla even got an item for 500e on one such obscure place, an item that surfaces on ebay once a year and goes for 5k. [17:45]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: going, going, gone. in 2012. [17:46]
pete_dushenski kakobrekla: fiat 500e ? the electric one ? [17:46]
kakobrekla 500euros [17:46]
phf trinque: i don't have a reference for that rednecks that i go snowboarding and sometimes hunting with are not very religious. they just say all the tv talking points, abortion, gays, liberal elite, etc. [17:46]
kakobrekla :) [17:46]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: ever since the S.DICE thing? [17:47]
phf trinque: but i'm thinking specifically of ~christian~ communities rather then rednecks specifically. my reference point are friends whose parents are "active in church" or work as missionaries abroad [17:48]
phf and they seem to be as contemptible as any liberal suburban family, just with some polarities switched [17:49]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: ever since he chose not to show up here and get in the wot [17:49]
trinque phf: I know christians that believe the man's the head of the house, and that one is to follow the bible literally [17:50]
trinque one's that would get along with danielpbarron [17:50]
trinque *ones [17:50]
jurov i have met him personally in timisoara (and his trophy gf), did not look like a good fit [17:51]
ascii_field voorhes ? [17:52]
jurov yes [17:52]
trinque phf: I see the beliefs themselves less relevant than the command structure implied by them [17:52]
ascii_field hasn't he revealed himself to be a spammer piece of shit ? [17:52]
jurov voorhees was on 1st conf [17:52]
trinque somebody could figure out a way to do something interesting with that. [17:52]
* ascii_field does not know voorhes personally, but distinctly recalls that the man was embroiled in spam [17:53]
jurov well.. wences casares was there, too, not sure if it was the same eyar [17:54]
ascii_field jurov: iirc from mircea_popescu's article, that was one of the people there [17:55]
pete_dushenski xapohead went to timisoara ?! [17:55]
jurov yes he did [17:55]
pete_dushenski nuts [17:55]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: History [17:56]
BingoBoingo It's a weird thing [17:56]
pete_dushenski the only thing new... [17:56]
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jurov i had a bit heated discussion with him that it the wallet users don't own the privkeys, wtf is that all about [17:57]
thestringpuller !gettrust evoorhees [17:57]
assbot Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/ [17:57]
thestringpuller pete_dushenski: ^^^ he's in wot... [17:57]
ascii_field jurov: i was never able to conceive of casares as anything other than a 'wallet-inspector' sc4mz0r [17:57]
jurov well.. if i hadn't met you in person, i'd have very different image too :) [17:58]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: good digging, i suspected he might've been, but search for 'voorhees' on btcalpha drew up a blank [17:58]
kakobrekla voorhees and casares were at the first meet [18:00]
pete_dushenski thestringpuller: upon further review, he's evorhees isn't in assbot's l2, so i guess he's not in the wot after all. [18:01]
kakobrekla they saw kako is in reality a nice guy and left the place. [18:02]
pete_dushenski that ~would~ be pretty disappointing [18:03]
* jurov was watching mpoe-pr aka hanbot in action, riding her tablet [18:06]
mats jurov: have an eta for coinbr availability? [18:09]
jurov have pinpointed the cause, tomorrow evening likely [18:09]
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thestringpuller “Now, everyone sees this as a critical topic. I know of more than 100 firms that are trying to make the blockchain more scalable, more secure, to make the one that everybody will use. There’s a race on out there.” [18:19]
thestringpuller from >> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2015-09-01/blythe-masters-tells-banks-the-blockchain-changes-everything [18:19]
midnightmagic a.k.a. scamcoin developers [18:20]
shinohai ^ [18:22]
btcdrak Mike Hearn seems sad in this post: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/bitcoin-xt/IWg3JHvOWJo [18:22]
assbot Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0jGX ) [18:22]
BingoBoingo In other news Obama jerked off a fish. http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/politics/obama-salmon-spawning-alaska/index.html [18:23]
assbot Salmon spawns on Obama in Alaska - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0rpU ) [18:23]
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ascii_field btcdrak: that thing appears to require login [18:24]
jurov "He was happy to see me," Obama added. [18:24]
shinohai "Of course this doesn't help mining pools. They would need to find ways to sink the DoS attacks themselves." LOL [18:24]
kakobrekla some read logz lol? http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=16-08-2015#1240070 [18:24]
assbot Logged on 16-08-2015 17:54:18; kakobrekla: wheres that ddoser now, could be put to good use [18:24]
btcdrak Oh let me screencap it then [18:24]
BingoBoingo It's official, Obama like Kanye West loves fish sticks and is in fact a gay fish. [18:24]
kakobrekla lol@'version collector' [18:25]
btcdrak Here: http://i.imgur.com/cM8Y4KD.png it's so ludicrous. Give you an insight into how Mike actually thinks [18:25]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KumX8H ) [18:25]
mircea_popescu aww. [18:26]
mike_c oh gavin.. "... which should eventually evolve into "download, check for valid signatures, and automatically upgrade" code (yet another feature that I think it is pretty clear people want that can't make it past the Core idea review process)." [18:26]
kakobrekla hearn > [18:26]
kakobrekla My nodes got hit with 25 GBit/sec. The university firewall handled it like a pro, but I was forced to shut off my nodes. Due to the security implications (I guess DDoS attacks are a security risk now?) I'll have to fight to get them back up again. [18:26]
kakobrekla lol [18:26]
mircea_popescu herp. so he's mooching bw and everything from maryland ? [18:27]
ascii_field wai wat [18:28]
ascii_field hearn is with shi et al now ?! [18:28]
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pete_dushenski garzik re 'bip100' reddit convo : This is mostly pre-feedback, transcribing the discussion documentation into a technical specification. The doc & spec & code will evolve from here, based on community feedback and testing." [18:28]
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mircea_popescu ascii_field the us is a tiny, parochial space [18:31]
mircea_popescu there's like... a huffingluepost and so forth. [18:31]
ascii_field tiny more from the fact that it compresses so well [18:32]
ascii_field just about whole thing is tied with identical pieces [18:32]
ascii_field *tiled [18:32]
btcdrak mike_c: autoupdate has been discussed a lot in Core, and is absolutely out of the questions because of the security implications. [18:35]
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deedbot- [Qntra] Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/ [19:03]
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ascii_field https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5JgnMJzCtQ [19:10]
assbot The Swarm Manned Aerial Vehicle Multirotor Super Drone Flying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNgfJp ) [19:10]
ascii_field ~somebody~ reads the logz [19:10]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261703 < [19:13]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 19:17:20; phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer.. [19:13]
mircea_popescu in fact... that's imo the driver behind "smartphone" (tablets y compris) : here, have this lighter tv screen you can shove in your ass. [19:14]
mircea_popescu when all is said and done, "the people themselves" do not want a computer but a tv set. [19:14]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: i use a (very large) tablet thing to read djvu scans, and (occasionally) hyperlinkified therealbitcoin src. that's it. [19:15]
mircea_popescu and if you have to check out a poem ? drop back to desktop ?> [19:15]
ascii_field poem also works on it [19:15]
mircea_popescu how do you tell it what poem [19:15]
ascii_field but frustrating [19:15]
ascii_field for the reason you pointed out. [19:15]
mircea_popescu aha. [19:15]
ascii_field no adequate input. [19:15]
ascii_field (though the thing has provisions for an external keyboard, in principle) [19:16]
mircea_popescu but the only comfortable position for keyboarding is sitting [19:16]
mircea_popescu by which point... [19:16]
ascii_field aha [19:16]
ascii_field hence it is strictly for reading a particular item. [19:16]
ascii_field at the same time i ~would~ like a >300 dpi screen on real computer [19:17]
mircea_popescu what i would like is if they stopped dicking around and made holo displays already [19:17]
ascii_field l0l wtf for [19:18]
mircea_popescu all this "2d view of a 3d world" shit is for the birds./ [19:18]
ascii_field i want to see transparently through my display like i want a second arse. [19:18]
mircea_popescu ascii_field for proper graph display. imagine mike's wot graph in 3d. [19:18]
ascii_field this is one of those things that ~sounds~ great until you do it. [19:18]
mircea_popescu i want a 1 cubic metre display. dun care so much about dpi [19:18]
ascii_field i used to wear a 3dvisor for a living. [19:18]
mircea_popescu it can be 60 dpi, as long as it's 1 cu m [19:19]
ascii_field it isn't fun. [19:19]
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mircea_popescu no. the "3d visor" is still 2d. [19:19]
ascii_field was a high-end silicongraphics thing [19:19]
mircea_popescu doesn't matter. [19:19]
mircea_popescu i mean it, actual 3d display. [19:19]
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ascii_field to walk around it ? [19:20]
mircea_popescu they can use magnetics to create tiny refraction surfaces in mid air [19:20]
mircea_popescu YES! [19:20]
mircea_popescu so i could fucking think WITH a computer for once. [19:20]
ascii_field over the years i conceived of several designs for such a thing. because i, too, wanted one. [19:21]
ascii_field but strictly the kind mircea_popescu describes - with true three-axis box [19:21]
mircea_popescu none of that fake "3d in 2d" bs. actual 3d display. i need an[other] electric car like i need another hairdo. [19:21]
mircea_popescu THIS is what's needed. [19:21]
ascii_field i did realize, though, that there is nothing to connect it to. [19:22]
mircea_popescu lisp machine. [19:22]
* mircea_popescu would like to say THAT web2.0. the proper one. "cube webpages" [19:22]
mircea_popescu anyway. magnetic bottle exists, there's no fucking excuse. not like any sort of quantum leap is required. just index and miniaturize. [19:23]
ascii_field only thing is, when viewing text i need it to be opaque. [19:23]
ascii_field 100% opaque. [19:23]
ascii_field otherwise it is like reading on plastic bag. [19:23]
mircea_popescu aha. [19:24]
mircea_popescu look : if it can keep gas in, it should be able to keep light out [19:24]
ascii_field this design approach makes hot fusion look easy. [19:25]
ascii_field realize, nothing in, e.g., a tokamak, is ever dense enough to become anything like opaque. [19:25]
mircea_popescu the real problem here is that ... well... no rich people left. nobody to say "fuck you, either make this and you get one trillion, or i spend a trillion torturing your families. you have one year." [19:25]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=35 [19:26]
assbot Loper OS » The Glove Box ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNirR7 ) [19:26]
ascii_field very old turd i wrote [19:26]
pete_dushenski http://imgur.com/a/VMbQ7 << turkmeni curio [19:27]
assbot Turkmenistan - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNizQE ) [19:27]
ascii_field 'In the marble streets of Ashgabat, we soon grow a bit tired and sweaty. In theory, we could rest a bit inside one of the many bus stops, designed to be air-conditioned. The air-conditioning has stopped working, so instead they are now glass ovens where you can bake yourself. We decide to wait outside. ' << orc win ! [19:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261775 << [19:34]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 20:13:18; ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism [19:34]
mircea_popescu !s rotherham [19:34]
assbot 7 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham [19:34]
mircea_popescu sore starfish alright. [19:34]
mircea_popescu ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao. [19:35]
* mircea_popescu fantasises at the dystopia where alf writes PR for a living. [19:35]
mircea_popescu !gettrust joecool [19:36]
assbot Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/ [19:36]
phf kindle solves specific problem of my eyes getting tired of staring at backlit screen [19:36]
mircea_popescu phf other solution to that is to kill the backlight. [19:37]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261798 << ah, nuttin wrong with that. but the l1 is more active an affair. [19:37]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 20:21:03; joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things [19:37]
ascii_field http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261999 << l0l i stole the text from mircea_popescu [19:38]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 22:33:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao. [19:38]
ascii_field !s marry her dog [19:38]
assbot 2 results for 'marry her dog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marry+her+dog [19:38]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261807 << once man starts thinking strategically, all sorts of patterns emerge huh [19:38]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 20:28:51; trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it [19:38]
mircea_popescu ascii_field wut ? i said that ? [19:38]
ascii_field apparently [19:39]
mircea_popescu hahaha [19:39]
mircea_popescu ok, ladies and gents, this here is what narcissism actually is, at its peak. [19:39]
mircea_popescu i like my shit so much! [19:39]
ascii_field lulz [19:39]
ascii_field i'm pretty sure i have done this. [19:39]
mircea_popescu no but i meant metaphorically [19:39]
phf mircea_popescu: how do i kill a backlight? [19:40]
ascii_field 'this is spiffy, i wish i'd written it' - 'waitasec, i did write it' [19:40]
mircea_popescu ascii_field :p [19:40]
mircea_popescu phf this screen rightnao i have at 6300K and 0.375 gamma [19:40]
mircea_popescu it's a pleasure. [19:40]
ascii_field phf: what do you have that is readable without a backlight? [19:41]
phf ascii_field: kindle [19:41]
ascii_field mircea_popescu: unless you have a 'eizo' or 'barco', those numbers have very tenuous relation to physical reality [19:41]
ascii_field but are more like the dial of a washing machine [19:41]
mircea_popescu the 6300K thing is WAY more important than anyone realises. and cutting down on the gamma helps loads. [19:41]
mircea_popescu ascii_field this is a lg [19:42]
ascii_field i tend to run even 'redder' [19:42]
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mircea_popescu aha. blue is the fatiguer. and, of course, goes without saying, small fonts. [19:42]
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kakobrekla so 'blue light makes you more alert' or someshit science is bogus? [19:44]
mircea_popescu more alert and more tired correlate anyway [19:45]
mircea_popescu anyway, i have nfi what "alert" means. but fatigue is defined. [19:45]
joecool overstimulation leads to fatigue/exhaustion sort of thing" [19:45]
kakobrekla some go as far as to treat jetlag with that [19:45]
mircea_popescu none of the bitches that tan are as alert as the bitches that don't. [19:46]
mircea_popescu so dunno. [19:46]
mircea_popescu joecool turns out people have very different tolerances to far-blue and UV. it's a function of the quality of filtering they got which is mostly genetics. [19:46]
mircea_popescu anyway, as a rule of thumb, the bluer a light runs the cheaper it is and the shittier too. as phillips' been driving its crusade to replace all lights with shittier lights to complete the precious indications given at the 18th plenary of the permanent comission of the central committee of the economic planning bureau [19:48]
mircea_popescu it'd be expected that the central authority for communication and propaganda pumps out supporting evidence through its respective organs [19:49]
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phf i've over optimized in the direction of making kindle work for me, but it is like looking through peephole. i solve the whole branching problem by relying on their notes feature: whatever you select on kindle gets saved to a text file that gets copied into my notes during sync. correspondingly my article saving mechanism converts all links to title (url) form, so i can follow up when on desktop [19:52]
phf now that i verbalize it, it's totally a programmer rabbit hole, probably should've just fixed my monitor.. [19:52]
BingoBoingo https://i.imgur.com/6tvB8Q3.png [19:53]
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joecool we run 2750K incandescent bulbs in my office [19:55]
mircea_popescu phf i think 2/3 of the benefit regulars derive from being here is this sort of thing [19:57]
mircea_popescu great retort BingoBoingo [19:58]
mircea_popescu this is so typical of fucktard on a mission. "science is bad mkay" except if anyone disagrees with "what is your degree". [19:58]
BingoBoingo Just found it online searching the hotsheets. [19:58]
mircea_popescu because hey, nothing beats living in TWO DIFFERENT parallel if entirely imaginary universes. [19:58]
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BingoBoingo https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/09/03/harvard-will-let-students-select-pronouns << Can't wait for the student who selects fuck, piss, shit, and cunt as their pronoun set [20:00]
assbot Harvard Will Let Students Select Pronouns | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNn1yH ) [20:00]
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fluffypony http://www.coindesk.com/african-remittance-beam-drops-bitcoin-pivot/ [20:14]
assbot African Remittance Firm Beam Stops Bitcoin Service in Pivot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNoK78 ) [20:14]
fluffypony so I've literally been saying for ages that Africa is far from ready to "embrace" Bitcoin, and half the continent won't want it anyway, but nooooo, nobody listens to me, they all want to shovel Bitcoin down Africa's throat [20:14]
shinohai r/bitcoin wants to shove BTC down everyone's throat. [20:15]
fluffypony yeah [20:15]
fluffypony *ADOPTION*! [20:15]
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shinohai They are like undertakers reading morning obituaries, hoping to find a failing economy to rescue. [20:16]
shinohai For whatever reason. [20:16]
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cazalla fluffypony, you don't want black africans to have bitcoin, you rascally racist [20:20]
fluffypony rahzizt [20:20]
fluffypony cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax [20:20]
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shinohai Africa: https://i.imgur.com/hEaFeKp.jpg [20:24]
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BingoBoingo http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/60/94/2c4f7c1e69f3dd5003d473e32626c54e.gif [20:24]
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ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260745 << missed the boat on fats though [20:45]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 02:47:29; mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending. [20:45]
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pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261404 << so are you, like, bar mitzvah'd ? [21:00]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car" [21:00]
pete_dushenski to my ear at least, 'shinohai' always sounded japanese [21:00]
pete_dushenski 'the other j-meat' [21:01]
pete_dushenski (jamaicas is other-other-) [21:01]
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mircea_popescu well fats actually are bad so [21:06]
mircea_popescu fluffypony the vc-derps are pretty much one track. they got one solution for all problems, which is proven to not work for any of them, and they';re sticking to it. [21:07]
mircea_popescu contact to ground was lost long enough, by the time graham's in outer space derping to himself about hyperbolics... [21:07]
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fluffypony yeah [21:07]
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-assbot- You voiced ghtdak for 30 minutes. [21:08]
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ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: which and why? [21:12]
thestringpuller Paul Graham literally believes the best startups are ones that don't scale: "When I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg at Startup School, he said that while it was a lot of work creating course lists for each school, doing that made students feel the site was their natural home." [21:14]
shinohai pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will. [21:15]
deedbot- [Qntra] British and North Carolina Teens Prosecuted as Child Pornographers in Separate Cases - http://qntra.net/2015/09/british-and-north-carolina-teens-prosecuted-as-child-pornographers-in-separate-cases/ [21:18]
pete_dushenski shinohai: are 'jews for jesus' actually that bad ? [21:21]
pete_dushenski i admit i've only met two of them, a young couple at pre-natal class, perfectly pleasant really. he even wore a tallit around his waist [21:21]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: lol hot damn i was *just* about to start writing up that sexting one. well snagged ! i'll be faster net time. [21:23]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: I just got a lot of momentum going these past couple days [21:23]
pete_dushenski no kidding ! [21:24]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that's complicated. but on the balance of it, too much fat makes you fat. which is problematic for the circulatory system [21:24]
BingoBoingo Not one big thing, but a bunch of little things that are better recorded than not. [21:24]
pete_dushenski "There are roughly 3 trillion trees on Earth — more than seven times the number previously estimated — according to a tally1 by an international team of scientists." << moar upward revisionism, except this kind is more butthurt for climate doomsdayists [21:25]
mircea_popescu a warming earth is not bad for vegetation. [21:26]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo: both are needed [21:26]
mircea_popescu kinda how that cycle works. [21:26]
ben_vulpes http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260853 << oh, horseshit. [21:35]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 03:05:07; asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed [21:35]
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asciilifeform ben_vulpes: i'll bite. name anybody presently rolling in the vc megamillions while doing something of actual worth [21:36]
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ben_vulpes nobody is doing anything of 'actual worth' and 'much' is such a wishy-washy term that you can set the bar arbitrarily high. [21:37]
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ben_vulpes as for names, well [21:38]
asciilifeform 'A North Carolina 17-year-old caught in a sexting scandal faces charges of sexually exploiting a minor that could land him in jail for up to 10 years, since the law considers him an adult. But one of the minors he supposedly exploited is himself­—which raises an obvious question: how can a teen be old enough to face adult felony charges, but not old enough to keep a nude picture of himself on his phone? Unfortunately, that [21:40]
asciilifeform ’s the Kafka-esque nightmare in which Fayetteville-area high schooler Cormega Copening finds himself after exchanging private nude photos with his girlfriend—with whom he is legally allowed to have sex, but not to sext.' << gold. [21:40]
asciilifeform obligatory: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-03-2014#546880 [21:40]
assbot Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her pu [21:40]
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asciilifeform does anyone have a link to the actual indictment ? [21:43]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo ^ ? [21:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Not that I've found yet [21:45]
mircea_popescu i dunno how one could be 17yo, a us citizen, and NOT sms nude pics of themselves to every single usg official in sighh [21:45]
mircea_popescu then filing complaints with the lot. [21:45]
mircea_popescu it just... it doesn't fit in my head. [21:45]
mircea_popescu i wish we had had something like this when i was a kid. [21:45]
BingoBoingo State court indictments are a pain, typically involve going to actual courthouse or subscribing to expensive service like Westlaw and praying they sent someone to the courthouse already. [21:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: how would that work ? [21:46]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: you know full well the result, '17yo charged with self-exploitation and besmirching the honourable name of a servant of the crown' [21:47]
mircea_popescu step A. get list of phone numbers of everyone. step 2. get all the 100+ sluts you know taking nude pics of themselves. step 3. having same send said pics with appropriate text to the 1. [21:47]
mircea_popescu step d. have 2 file complaints against 1. [21:48]
mircea_popescu 100 * say 10k = 1mn counts for the system to sort through [21:48]
asciilifeform there will be no sorting, and no trials. [21:48]
mircea_popescu i don't care what "the result" is. [21:48]
BingoBoingo Whatever Obama jacked off a fish on CNN, that's beastiality [21:48]
mircea_popescu wouldja stop presenting as fact things you have literally no idea about ? [21:48]
mircea_popescu when's the last time you spoke to a judge ? [21:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: not recently. [21:49]
mircea_popescu so then why and wherefore! [21:49]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: but this scheme strikes me as far too obvious to be doable and not-yet-done. [21:49]
mircea_popescu not a very good heuristic. [21:49]
asciilifeform the other thing being that somebody has to indict. [21:49]
mircea_popescu up to 2001 airplane bomb would have striken you idem [21:49]
asciilifeform actually the airplane bomb was abundantly obvious since when, 1944 ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu and so ? [21:50]
mircea_popescu heck, the japanese even deployed them as a military weapon. [21:50]
asciilifeform aha [21:50]
asciilifeform hence 1944 [21:50]
asciilifeform (iirc a few in '43 even) [21:50]
mircea_popescu so yes, we both see that this could readily be done, and we both see it's not done. i wonder in amazement, you posit a "because". i dun think your position's reasonable. [21:51]
asciilifeform so let's see if i grok this, somebody is to indict, e.g., warren buffet, or clitler, over spam sent by some anonymous schmuck ? [21:51]
mircea_popescu and on the balance of evidence, it's more likely the 17 yo in question have serious autism issues. because they similarly can't talk to girls and so forth. [21:52]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform why not ? there's a complaint, there'sd proof. what else. [21:52]
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mircea_popescu and besides, who cares abnout eiother of these two. you just taker the whole plum book and execute it all. [21:52]
asciilifeform wake me up when the pots of oil are boiling and the tickets are on sale [21:53]
mircea_popescu yes, it's probable they'd come up with some sort of "doesn't count", but should be fun to see nevertheless. [21:53]
mircea_popescu anyway, what i question is, the imbecile adolescent population that is not hard at work breaking the society they live in. [21:54]
mircea_popescu it's unconscionable. [21:54]
asciilifeform their 'don't count' works in the same way as in all times and places. kennedies can gf after gf, and no one indicts, corzine et al can steal $maxint, etc. [21:54]
mircea_popescu no fucking idea who'd even want to fuck them, that broken. [21:54]
asciilifeform *kennedies can drown [21:55]
mircea_popescu too much ex post facto in this. kennedy yes, nixon no, clinton yes, petreus no, etc. [21:55]
asciilifeform the ones who walked with cia - yes [21:56]
mircea_popescu how come the woman can lose state secrets via inept emailing, and is ok, the guy can't talk to some random socially-acceptable whore [21:56]
asciilifeform chewed at the straps - no. [21:56]
* mircea_popescu dun buy it. [21:56]
mircea_popescu i mean it's just as ex post facto as previously, you just hid it under a rug. srsly, "chewed at straps" ? you just call it that retrospectively. [21:57]
asciilifeform the annointed are forgiven pecadillos like murder or grand embezzlement [21:57]
asciilifeform show me a bonesman in jail. [21:58]
mircea_popescu we had this with rockefellers in camps, you are barred from using the line ever again. [21:58]
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asciilifeform all you found was a run-down 'wine-making branch of the family' rothchild [21:58]
mircea_popescu this is why you're barred :D [21:58]
mircea_popescu your argument was to the name, i delivered the name. it's unsalvageable. [21:59]
mircea_popescu incidentally - every time they let a woman near secrets it blew up. there's rice. there's nuland. there's clinton. that's almost all of them. [22:00]
mircea_popescu you'd think they'd learn women do not belong at state. [22:00]
asciilifeform this among other reasons is why there are no women near interesting secrets. [22:01]
asciilifeform on either side of the atlantic. [22:01]
mircea_popescu i wonder wtf it is, you'd expect they be better than men, generally speaking. [22:01]
asciilifeform theoretically, but you have to build'em a nunnery [22:02]
thestringpuller what about that chick who was in mossad... [22:02]
mircea_popescu just going by the "there's more wives with secret children than men at any given point" [22:02]
asciilifeform this is why i play in my head with the idea of an all-chick meta-nsa. [22:02]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform which'd work for the usg rather than for alt-mp because why. [22:02]
asciilifeform for no reason. [22:02]
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asciilifeform just as an imaginary loch ness monster can listen to bbc vs voice of america for no entirely good reason. [22:03]
mircea_popescu haha. no such equality irl. [22:03]
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asciilifeform anyway we're imagining a physical army vs underground cells, so it stands to reason that it would work for a geographic sovereign [22:04]
asciilifeform somewhere. [22:05]
asciilifeform see the 'fortress' discussion. [22:06]
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asciilifeform and i will say that an entity without si fabbing capability is no meta-nsa regardless of what else. [22:06]
asciilifeform and si fab requires a fortress. [22:06]
asciilifeform fortress - nukes. [22:06]
asciilifeform nukes - captive industrial base to parasitise. [22:07]
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mircea_popescu yeah that's totally how it worked for batman too [22:09]
mircea_popescu irl, "physical army" never works for thios purpose. what you get is, at best, private manning [22:10]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: i assume you're referring to "The Dark Knight Returns". [22:10]
mircea_popescu btw, am i the only one that finds it funny that some dude whose name was MANning decided to be a woman ? [22:10]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller isn't batman this derp with a fortress ? [22:11]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: i get that humint can be done entirely via 'hashishim' dissolved in planet at large, etc. but build me one single z80 this way. [22:11]
mircea_popescu meta-nsa builds z80s ? [22:11]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: ah I see. more of a cave. always thought superman was the one with teh "fortress" [22:11]
asciilifeform meta-nsa has to be sovereign over own tools of thought. [22:11]
thestringpuller irrelavant tho sorry [22:11]
asciilifeform or not worthy of the name. [22:12]
mircea_popescu but... this is a biological impossibility. [22:12]
asciilifeform how's that? [22:12]
mircea_popescu your brain is borrowed, not owned. [22:12]
mircea_popescu it, principally, concerns itself with other matters. [22:12]
asciilifeform brain is not the gold standard, aha. there is a reason why 'mentats' are creatures of imagination and we compute with machines whenever the least bit possible. [22:13]
mircea_popescu but the point is, as your brain's not "sovereign" in this sense, no computer ever will be, and there goes that line. [22:14]
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asciilifeform what is meant by sovereign here is plainly obvious [22:14]
mircea_popescu not so. [22:14]
asciilifeform is this where we do the 2013 thread re: whether a fully-knowable computing machine is possible, all over again ? [22:15]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2014/the-hour-of-reckoning/ [22:16]
assbot The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX ) [22:16]
asciilifeform or that. [22:16]
mircea_popescu what " has to be sovereign over own tools of thought" ? [22:16]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24600 @ 0.00071987 = 17.7088 BTC [+] [22:16]
asciilifeform reasoning inductively, from 'any intelligence org that runs winblows on wintel is a joke' [22:17]
mircea_popescu by this reasoning, real spies could never be caught dead in drag. [22:18]
mircea_popescu because hey. joke. [22:18]
asciilifeform is mircea_popescu just testing how much sophistry i can take before i have to go and change gas mask canister ? [22:20]
mircea_popescu sophistry is necessarily positive. i'm merely denying. [22:20]
asciilifeform !b 2 [22:21]
assbot Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/0FM2NJR.txt ) [22:21]
* asciilifeform falls down [22:21]
* asciilifeform brb [22:21]
mircea_popescu there is a difference! [22:21]
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asciilifeform https://cryptome.org/2015/09/mccollum-001.pdf << lettre de cachet lulz [23:18]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncpM2 ) [23:18]
asciilifeform ;;later tell BingoBoingo http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/09/journalists-arrested-on-terrorism-charges-in-turkey-for-using-crypto-software [23:20]
gribble The operation succeeded. [23:20]
assbot Journalists arrested on terrorism charges in Turkey for using crypto software | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncK1d ) [23:20]
asciilifeform 'Three journalists working with Vice News have been charged with "engaging in terrorist activity" on behalf of ISIL (ISIS), because one of them used encryption software. A Turkish official told Al Jazeera: "The main issue seems to be that the [journalists'] fixer uses a complex encryption system on his personal computer that a lot of ISIL militants also utilise for strategic communications."' [23:20]
asciilifeform ^ no detail on ~what~, afaik. [23:21]
asciilifeform gonna guess it's 'jihadcrypt' or whatever that idiocy was called. [23:21]
pete_dushenski "For students seeking to make some extra bucks to pay for tuition, Pornhub may be able to help. The adult video website is offering a $25,000 scholarship to a legal age college student who likes making others happy. " [23:22]
pete_dushenski except... "We will not seriously consider anyone if they include explicit material in the video," Pornhub Vice President Corey Price said via email. [23:22]
trinque maybe also in part, they're trying to protect the ISIS/Turkey connection [23:22]
trinque general attempt to discourage on-the-ground journalism? [23:23]
asciilifeform http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/08/im-now-an-estonian-e-resident-but-i-still-dont-know-what-to-do-with-it << a related lul from same fishwrap. mandatory non-pgp signatures in whole muppet country, aha. [23:23]
pete_dushenski http://www.pornhub.com/cares/scholarship << [23:23]
assbot I’m now an Estonian e-resident, but I still don’t know what to do with it | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XndlA5 ) [23:23]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Xndm6Y ) [23:23]
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asciilifeform ' [23:25]
asciilifeform The difference: it is legally binding under .EE law. Not like the loose PGP.' [23:25]
asciilifeform inevitable 'embrace & extinguish', just as with bitcoin. [23:26]
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mircea_popescu heh. [23:31]
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asciilifeform related, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-10-2014#883640 [23:35]
assbot Logged on 19-10-2014 18:20:02; asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept [23:35]
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ag3nt_zer0 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262093 << they aren't in such bad company: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8sI5WekW78 [23:35]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 00:13:31; shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will. [23:35]
assbot Gotta Serve Somebody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnfMmc ) [23:35]
pete_dushenski 'video not available' [23:36]
ag3nt_zer0 ooops [23:36]
ag3nt_zer0 sec [23:36]
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phf seems like they pulled a lot of dylan tracks [23:37]
ag3nt_zer0 pete_dushenski hmmm working on my end... [23:37]
pete_dushenski prolly an html5 thing then. i dun use flash. [23:38]
pete_dushenski or ip or something [23:38]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: kinda what I meant about "command structure" in teh logs [23:38]
trinque pete_dushenski: I'm yielding to your point here, I think. [23:38]
trinque re: desert gods [23:38]
pete_dushenski trinque: aha that old gem ! [23:38]
trinque that they have the thought of serving someone or something is some kind of first step [23:38]
trinque pete_dushenski: it continues to yield fruit, this tree [23:39]
pete_dushenski for log readers : http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/15/good-morning-isis/ [23:39]
assbot Good Morning ISIS. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZh38 ) [23:39]
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pete_dushenski trinque: was something in particular inspiring this reflection ? [23:40]
phf came up when i started trash talking american christians [23:41]
trinque pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261756 << begins more or less here [23:42]
assbot Logged on 03-09-2015 19:47:36; trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine [23:42]
trinque relatedly I am ending my current tour in the pac NW for a time, headed back to TX [23:43]
trinque and it's causing me to reflect on what I left behind in TX [23:43]
BingoBoingo http://www.theonion.com/article/dennys-market-researcher-emerges-focus-group-shake-51241 [23:44]
assbot Denny’s Market Researcher Emerges From Focus Group Shaken After Finding Out What Americans Really Want For Breakfast - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZALf ) [23:44]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: That one's going to take a bit. [23:44]
pete_dushenski trinque: 'there's no place like home' (tm) [23:44]
trinque and does one ever leave [23:45]
pete_dushenski watch, mircea_popescu will try chengdu for a year then move back to romania. [23:45]
trinque hehe [23:48]
trinque ag3nt_zer0: got me on dylan now, good job [23:48]
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trinque https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIXIBE9INTg [23:49]
assbot Slow Train - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZXpc ) [23:49]
asciilifeform unrelatedly, [23:49]
asciilifeform is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ? [23:50]
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ag3nt_zer0 trinque: oh man... slow train... I bow [23:50]
ag3nt_zer0 incredible stuff [23:50]
ag3nt_zer0 I have been making it a point to go see dylan every time he comes by the gay area for the last 6-7 years... probably seen him 5-6 times in that stretch [23:51]
ag3nt_zer0 one time I saw him during his monio league baseball park tour with willie nelson and john mellancamp [23:52]
trinque sounds like a great show [23:53]
ag3nt_zer0 and I just thought that the fact that he had shed his fanbase skin so many times resulted in a nice blend of people - christians, hippies, old school folkies, some rockers haha whatever [23:54]
deedbot- [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What it’s like to be poor. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/ [23:54]
ag3nt_zer0 left behnd the detritus and have people there who just are happy he shares his trip with them - honestly [23:54]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya [23:56]
ag3nt_zer0 trinque: yeah it was... mellancamp brought it that night... it was his 14 year old sons bday or something and he brought him out to play bass or something it was a good time [23:57]
ag3nt_zer0 not a huge mellancamp fan but he works hard up there and he does have some great tunes [23:57]
phf trinque: i agree with you though, i'm judging by central pa, northern maryland, which is not necessarily the cities, but still within the sprawl. [23:58]
pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262290 << yours for $15 (pdf though) https://dl.acm.org/purchase.cfm?id=363827&CFID=542942868&CFTOKEN=64707750 [23:59]
assbot Logged on 04-09-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ? [23:59]
assbot Purchase: Method in randomness ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnkG2w ) [23:59]
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