Forum logs for 03 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu

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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 40 @ 0.20057623 = 8.023 BTC [-] {7}	[00:04]
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kakobrekla	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnsdc7cTPuU	[00:10]
assbot	. - YouTube	[00:10]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 71 @ 0.18556196 = 13.1749 BTC [-] {9}	[00:18]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34682 @ 0.00084167 = 29.1908 BTC [-] {2}	[00:39]
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ben_vulpes	lol	[00:42]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66350 @ 0.00084092 = 55.795 BTC [-] {4}	[00:49]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/1btcxe-trading-challenge-crypto-capital/	[01:01]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.bcoinnews.com/final-chapter-dogecoin/	[01:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7850 @ 0.00084037 = 6.5969 BTC [-] {2}	[01:07]
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ben_vulpes	;;later tell thickasthieves holla	[01:44]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[01:44]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-nn-nashville-teens-escape-20140902-story.html	[02:28]
assbot	More than 30 teens escape Nashville youth detention center - LA Times	[02:28]
BingoBoingo	;;ticker	[02:31]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 473.0, Best ask: 473.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 473.0, 24 hour volume: 7354.53286549, 24 hour low: 470.42, 24 hour high: 484.61, 24 hour vwap: 477.092010119	[02:31]
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X-Rob	Hah. mircea_popescu you may remember my diatribe about all the stupid design flaws in unattainium. I consider myself vindicated. http://i.imgur.com/HfH3kpV.png	[02:55]
BingoBoingo	X-Rob: What's that a picture of?	[02:58]
X-Rob	BingoBoingo: bittrex, with Unattainum saying 'DISABLED' next to it.	[02:59]
BingoBoingo	Ah, I saw the disabled part, but had no idea wtf the site was	[03:00]
Apocalyptic	X-Rob, isn't the doge hurting too much ?	[03:00]
X-Rob	Apocalyptic: I don't know where that doge came from. I lease my rig for doge, but I normally just convert it straight to btc.	[03:00]
X-Rob	It's worth 0.06BTC. Woo.	[03:02]
BingoBoingo	Wait, is Doge really trading for 28 satoshis per?	[03:02]
Apocalyptic	BingoBoingo, I believe so	[03:03]
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X-Rob	27	[03:03]
BingoBoingo	My how its fallen	[03:05]
BingoBoingo	%p	[03:05]
atcbot	No data returned from CoinMiner.net	[03:05]
atcbot	[PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.84 TH/s	[03:05]
BingoBoingo	%d	[03:06]
atcbot	[ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 271195.09 in 1497 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.56	[03:06]
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BingoBoingo	http://atc.blockr.io/address/info/12djAcViRDNpfzkBEpN2N1RXCDocNi41BV My hou much Coinminer actually sucked	[03:07]
X-Rob	Geez, still 1500 blocks to go?	[03:09]
kakobrekla	kinda cool http://www.windytan.com/2014/02/mystery-signal-from-helicopter.html	[03:17]
assbot	absorptions: Mystery signal from a helicopter	[03:17]
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BingoBoingo	X-Rob: Well, at least it is moving	[03:21]
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BingoBoingo	!up tatinportland	[03:29]
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tatinportland	sup!	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	Not to much	[03:29]
BingoBoingo	Hearn getting informed on the SPV thing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=745631.msg8535219#msg8535219	[03:30]
assbot	[BIP][Draft] SPV improvement for light wallet	[03:30]
tatinportland	met up with a friend here seeing if Ben is around	[03:30]
tatinportland	fuck hearn alrdy	[03:31]
tatinportland	hearn esta fragile	[03:32]
TheNewDeal	which ben	[03:33]
tatinportland	vulpes	[03:33]
tatinportland	unless there are more Ben's in pland	[03:34]
TheNewDeal	ben_vulpes	[03:34]
BingoBoingo	;;google Ben's in pland	[03:34]
gribble	Factory Tours \| Ben & Jerry's: ; Ben & Jerry's Waterbury Plant - Waterbury, VT \| Yelp: ; Ben & Jerry's Factory Tour and Flavor Graveyard, Waterbury, Vermont:	[03:34]
tatinportland	babes In toyland	[03:35]
tatinportland	dry I'm past sober a couple hrs ago	[03:36]
tatinportland	sry	[03:36]
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TheNewDeal	past sober... I like that mentality	[03:47]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/you-have-your-windows-in-my-linux-249483	[03:52]
assbot	You have your Windows in my Linux \| Data Center - InfoWorld	[03:52]
BingoBoingo	http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/09/in-cambridge-md-a-soviet-style-punishment-for-a-novelist/379431/	[03:58]
assbot	In Maryland, a Soviet-Style Punishment for a Novelist - The Atlantic	[03:58]
tatinportland	thx bb	[03:59]
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BingoBoingo	!up tatinportland	[04:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44666 @ 0.00083899 = 37.4743 BTC [-] {2}	[04:05]
ben_vulpes	tat im inbound to the victory	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	le ultra expensive american cab	[04:07]
ben_vulpes	tatinportland: ping	[04:07]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/09/the-secret-pot-growing-operations-in-americas-cornfields/375913/	[04:11]
assbot	The Secret Pot-Growing Operations in America's Cornfields - The Atlantic	[04:11]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00083614 = 2.8011 BTC [-]	[04:25]
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decimation	asciilifeform: http://amzn.com/354045277X << lol at first I was like huh? then I read comments - hilarious	[04:25]
assbot	Chemical Shifts and Coupling Constants for Silicon-29 (Landolt-Barnstein: Numerical Data and Functional Relationshi): R. R. Gupta, M. D. Lechner, Heinrich Marsmann, Bozhana Mikhova, Frank Uhlig: 9783540452775: Amazon.com: Books	[04:25]
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decimation	my understanding is that NMR resolution isn't good enough to be helpful for silicon-based integrated circuitry	[04:33]
decimation	asciilifeform: I always wondered about the rather large population of fortune tellers in Maryland. I'm glad that the state is regulating them to make them 'ok for you'.	[04:35]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00084006 = 21.8836 BTC [+] {3}	[04:38]
decimation	asciilifeform: "server logs" << these are from the http referer headers?	[04:38]
lobbes	"As they watched the bonfire die down, they asked the DEA officials to estimate the value of the marijuana they had just burned. The reply: half a million dollars. The farmers had to laugh. The value of the corn that had been cut down to grow it? $32" << heh, I wonder how many farmers just keep the plants	[04:42]
BingoBoingo	I have to imagine it can't be a non-trivial number	[04:44]
decimation	re: sabu/fbi irc chat << fyi, if you are a 'hacker' and someone tells you that they can 'hack NATO', you are being played	[04:45]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00083976 = 22.8415 BTC [-] {2}	[04:47]
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asciilifeform	decimation: logs << yes	[05:04]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ?	[05:05]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: A bunch of Distros have already made the transition. The surprise is people are just now bitching about this.	[05:06]
asciilifeform	yet another... hearnia.	[05:06]
*	asciilifeform never saw them, never will see	[05:06]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[05:07]
assbot	Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/26JE3QF.txt )	[05:07]
BingoBoingo	Hearnia probably ought to join the vocabulary	[05:07]
asciilifeform	lol	[05:07]
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BingoBoingo	Any any painful techical change causing by ignoring the idiots long enough for their shit sacks to escape into the inguinal canal.	[05:10]
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TheNewDeal	beautiful	[05:13]
asciilifeform	good news is - now choosing a linux distro is easier than ever before.	[05:13]
asciilifeform	(and choosing a bsd - easier yet.)	[05:13]
BingoBoingo	Indeed	[05:14]
asciilifeform	all those things that confounded the novice, like the piles of hay confounded buridan's donkey - aren't 'choices' at all, after all.	[05:14]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 119 @ 0.18183897 = 21.6388 BTC [-] {7}	[05:14]
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BingoBoingo	I mean seriously, who wants to run a *nix laptop and not play with runlevels	[05:16]
asciilifeform	this isn't about the aesthetics, either.	[05:16]
asciilifeform	this is about microshit and usg (but i repeat myself) finally making some headway in dealing with the 'final solution' to the escapees from wintel 'problem.'	[05:16]
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asciilifeform	there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things.	[05:19]
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decimation	asciilifeform: I take it you are not a 'systemd' fan?	[05:22]
asciilifeform	howd'you guess	[05:22]
decimation	I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial as you make out, 'people want' to have their systems boot quickly	[05:22]
asciilifeform	what's inherently slow about init.d ?	[05:23]
BingoBoingo	decimation: No I want fucking control over how my system boots! And I don't want fucking dependency hell because I want my system in runlevel 4!	[05:23]
decimation	exactly the dependency issue. If you "know" what your system depends on, you can parallel-boot multiple processes simultaneously	[05:24]
BingoBoingo	http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/	[05:24]
assbot	Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog	[05:24]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: this is not just about depriving you of knobs to turn. the hearniators must clear some ground to emplace their hearnias - this requires demolishing some very well understood, traditional widget, so that it -must be replaced, dontcha know, it's obsolete-.	[05:25]
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decimation	I think there's also some 'me-too'-ism with secure booting off the tpm module	[05:25]
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asciilifeform	ah yes, the old fritz chip.	[05:26]
BingoBoingo	As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest.	[05:26]
decimation	after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon?	[05:27]
*	BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here can recall when Mac OS machines stopped shipping with "resedit"	[05:28]
decimation	BingoBoingo: pre-bsd mac os was a turd	[05:28]
BingoBoingo	decimation: But is an intimately knowable one. OS 7 lives!	[05:29]
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decimation	somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away'	[05:31]
decimation	so that you can just spin up multiple http/db stacks simultaneously	[05:31]
BingoBoingo	It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world.	[05:32]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:32]
BingoBoingo	But instead people want Java world	[05:32]
decimation	what about LISP written in Java?	[05:33]
decimation	today I was trying to wrap my head around C++ std vector libraries	[05:33]
BingoBoingo	decimation: The Problem with Java is it denies the existence of Hardware	[05:33]
decimation	I was amazed that anyone could think that it's a great idea to give up control over your software using templates written by some committee	[05:34]
asciilifeform	decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was	[05:34]
asciilifeform	sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide.	[05:35]
decimation	I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code'	[05:36]
decimation	it made me unhappy to be programming C++	[05:36]
BingoBoingo	It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake.	[05:36]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[05:36]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14235 @ 0.00084278 = 11.997 BTC [+] {2}	[06:14]
BingoBoingo	!mpif	[06:16]
assbot	BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+]	[06:16]
mircea_popescu	X-Rob so you take delight in the disabilities of others ? i see how it is.	[06:23]
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BingoBoingo	xanthyos: That's an interesting take. I didn't really have much background on the stuff when I started sitting on the now apparently defunct #BitcoinBarron chan	[06:25]
X-Rob	mircea_popescu: lying and stubborn headedness isn't a disability.	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	if that isn't a disability, i dunno what is :)	[06:26]
*	BingoBoingo can tell it is statement season because the logs are so thin. I guess it is a consequence of so many things going on	[06:26]
TheNewDeal	statement season?	[06:26]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, i'm beinf facetious for the fun of humiliating they absent third parties that believe in form and formalism.	[06:27]
BingoBoingo	Form is useful to a point, but by the time you take it far enough to add -ism it's gone too far.	[06:28]
mircea_popescu	form in itself is never useful.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	form as used by they with a lot of substance isn't even form per se anymore.	[06:31]
mircea_popescu	me killing dopey-popo-plus being a fine example of exactly this.	[06:32]
BingoBoingo	Well form must always exist as a +1 onto something else to be useful.	[06:33]
TheNewDeal	form and function are quite useful tools for analysis . anatomy teacher used to preach it in secondary school	[06:33]
BingoBoingo	TheNewDeal: Form and function aren't "things" though. Function is a requirement and form is a structure for implementation.	[06:35]
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TheNewDeal	form is an abstract thing	[06:36]
mthreat	mthreat how did the exclusion clauses work in search agai ? // the minus sign excludes terms, e.g. wheat -chaff	[06:36]
TheNewDeal	for instance if you looked at computer code you could ask. What does it accomplish (what is it's function?)? and How did it go about doing that (in what form?)?	[06:36]
BingoBoingo	The20YearIRCloud: Well, right. You can't give me pyramid, though you can give me pyramids or a pyramid.	[06:38]
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mircea_popescu	http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-107351 << this may be of some general interest.	[06:46]
assbot	A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	mthreat aty!	[06:46]
mircea_popescu	TheNewDeal there's a difference between form as you use it and form as used before. yours is the result of everything spurious being taken away, it's the form of livingthings chiseled in a million years of predition and ovulation.	[06:47]
decimation	mircea_popescu: so you aren't a Platonist?	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	the other thing is a convention, the result of nothing but spuriousness.	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	decimation indeed not, how could i ever be ?	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	what gave it away and what made you think that in teh first place	[06:48]
decimation	hehe I didn't. but you aren't a fan of Aristotle either?	[06:48]
mircea_popescu	in parts. contrary to what the european hordes thought, aristotle holds not the answer to everything,.	[06:49]
decimation	In your urban v. rural article, you mentioned that the surveillance state is "feminine thinking". what do you mean by that?	[06:52]
BingoBoingo	The first giant red flag I experienced about grad school in philosophy was that a classmate existed such that they claimed to be an absolute Berkely/Hume Idealist	[06:54]
decimation	BingoBoingo: what was your classmate's theory on the Observer who animates the cosmos?	[06:54]
BingoBoingo	decimation: I don't remember if I ever knew. You just kind of tune someone out after that.	[06:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation it's a large topic.	[06:56]
decimation	I get what you are saying about the cost of information storage and processing being nearly infinite, so it's a foolish idea to begin with. My guess at the "feminine" part was that this bureaucracy imagines it can comprehensively exercise control over the world without a face-to-face confrontation.	[06:59]
mircea_popescu	but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up	[07:01]
decimation	;;ud feminine	[07:06]
gribble	http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feminine \| Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ...	[07:06]
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mircea_popescu	hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above.	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	which means you're quite stuck. but perhaps if you had a question or some statement that could be tested or something ?	[07:08]
mircea_popescu	ie, more context of what you plan to use that definition for.	[07:08]
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decimation	I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome?	[07:13]
mircea_popescu	i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street.	[07:15]
mircea_popescu	this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were.	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	doesn't this much unknowing throw a hole in your rome model ?	[07:16]
mircea_popescu	(he once or twice got beat up pretty bad on account of it, too)	[07:16]
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BingoBoingo	Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat	[07:19]
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mircea_popescu	lol	[07:21]
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mircea_popescu	for that matter, rome did not have income tax, or consumption tax. it had a capitation, and some trade licensing fees.	[07:21]
decimation	Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2014/08/09/obama-and-new-england-aviation-businesses-start-their-vacation/ << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop'	[07:21]
assbot	Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation	[07:21]
mircea_popescu	i have no idea why people keep thinking of it in terms of a sort of older us without tablets. it's so reactionary in fact it'd put medieval england to shame.	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it	[07:22]
BingoBoingo	Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	(such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.)	[07:22]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught.	[07:23]
decimation	the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole	[07:23]
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nubbins`	nice to meet your disaster, here's 10 tons of co2	[07:23]
nubbins`	or "plant air"	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in.	[07:24]
mircea_popescu	and a bunch is like 1k people by now.	[07:24]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: What are your thoughts on archival inks?	[07:26]
nubbins`	ah, care to direct me a bit more than that?	[07:26]
mircea_popescu	no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe!	[07:26]
BingoBoingo	nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper.	[07:26]
BingoBoingo	Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art	[07:27]
decimation	heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: http://archive.delawareonline.com/article/20060614/NEWS/60614001/Air-Force-blames-crew-C-5-crash	[07:28]
assbot	Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash \| The News Journal \| delawareonline.com	[07:28]
nubbins`	india ink is pretty solid, as long as it's marked as archival quality	[07:28]
nubbins`	pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs	[07:29]
BingoBoingo	Interesting	[07:29]
decimation	nubbins`: are you going to use acid-free paper?	[07:29]
nubbins`	decimation, natch	[07:31]
nubbins`	BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand	[07:31]
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decimation	asciilifeform: yeah when I read your comment it brought to mind my youth: my friend's homes each had a different smell which struck me as I entered	[07:34]
BingoBoingo	lol	[07:34]
decimation	usually a bad one if they had pets	[07:34]
asciilifeform	ah see, the comment wasn't about smells in the usual sense	[07:34]
asciilifeform	as in, things an adult can actually reliably smell.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem.	[07:34]
mircea_popescu	the variety of scent.	[07:34]
asciilifeform	decimation: so it wasn't a matter of what kind of animal there was the dung of	[07:35]
decimation	no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits	[07:35]
asciilifeform	this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house.	[07:36]
mircea_popescu	pets do have a print, for sure.	[07:36]
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mircea_popescu	never give up.	[07:37]
asciilifeform	handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand.	[07:37]
asciilifeform	one day.	[07:37]
decimation	hehe perhaps after a rich prince has funded your secure terminal	[07:38]
asciilifeform	lol	[07:38]
asciilifeform	re: story with airplanes: i once saw something quite like this in life. was in wash., d.c., and an entire sixteen or so blocks were barricaded off, no one knew why. some days later, newspapers triumphantly described dick cheney's dinner at a certain restaurant in middle of said place.	[07:40]
asciilifeform	these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like.	[07:41]
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asciilifeform	city police, for the duration, becomes their private army, etc.	[07:42]
decimation	which would be one thing if they were the doge of venice	[07:42]
decimation	but these guys also conjure the salaries for all of their minions out of thin air	[07:43]
asciilifeform	the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty?	[07:46]
asciilifeform	one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time.	[07:46]
decimation	yeah that's a good point	[07:47]
asciilifeform	this kind of thing can be relied on to carry on - until can't	[07:47]
decimation	it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane'	[07:47]
decimation	and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part	[07:48]
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asciilifeform	don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory.	[07:49]
decimation	hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus."	[07:50]
asciilifeform	people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years	[07:50]
asciilifeform	american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year.	[07:50]
mircea_popescu	and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite.	[07:51]
decimation	asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	if i were president i'd just walk there.	[07:51]
decimation	as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours	[07:51]
decimation	Or load up on any of 100000 trucks who move such cars as a trade (or trains)	[07:51]
mircea_popescu	said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards.	[07:51]
asciilifeform	u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair	[07:53]
asciilifeform	(and, presumably, properly 'aryan')	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[07:53]
mircea_popescu	meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse.	[07:54]
decimation	supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them'	[07:54]
mircea_popescu	don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	these can't both be the case.	[07:55]
asciilifeform	sure it can.	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	tell ?	[07:55]
decimation	the mtbf numbers are all theoretical	[07:55]
asciilifeform	they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride.	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it.	[07:55]
mircea_popescu	oh.	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	that far huh ?	[07:56]
asciilifeform	if i recall, it was eventually flown (!) back for repairs.	[07:56]
decimation	http://www.sre.org/pubs/Mil-Hdbk-338B.pdf	[07:56]
mircea_popescu	decimation re heirloom items. anyone know who cato porcius was, and why he got that name ?	[07:56]
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asciilifeform	other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road.	[07:57]
asciilifeform	(broke axle, if i remember)	[07:57]
asciilifeform	and this, with 'world's best armour' etc.	[07:57]
decimation	I only know of Cato the Elder	[07:57]
decimation	oh, same guy	[07:57]
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mircea_popescu	he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly.	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it,	[07:58]
mircea_popescu	and what did they do ? they went to reddit to call him names!	[07:58]
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mircea_popescu	all of it - quite feminine :)	[07:59]
asciilifeform	lol	[07:59]
decimation	the reddit of the time being the stall of some brother or something?	[07:59]
decimation	s/brother/ brothel/	[07:59]
mircea_popescu	well they had these bed-parties	[08:00]
mircea_popescu	(they didn't sit around the table. they... lay there)	[08:00]
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decimation	When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2049430/Royal-Navy-turn-guns-pointing-Michelle-Obamas-hotel-room-around.html	[08:04]
assbot	Royal Navy turn guns pointing at Michelle Obama's hotel room around \| Mail Online	[08:04]
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asciilifeform	decimation: lol, what a 'cruiser aurora' that would've been.	[08:05]
decimation	asciilifeform: here's another presidential limo lol http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-13507338	[08:06]
assbot	BBC News - Obama's Beast 'did not get stuck' on Dublin ramp	[08:06]
penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/let-me-tell-you-a-few-words-about-this-usability-business/	[08:08]
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decimation	those cursed sailors on Kronstadt caused a heap of trouble for the whole world	[08:10]
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BingoBoingo	Oh the newest trilema explains both Mac OS love and OSX hate	[08:23]
mircea_popescu	how so ?	[08:24]
mircea_popescu	http://bitcoinfoundation.com/	[08:26]
assbot	Domain Suspension	[08:26]
decimation	I read it as a parable about GPG usability	[08:27]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, here's a rfc. in re this bet : http://bitbet.us/bet/854/ it calls for pierce to be a director. currently as per https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/overview/ he seems to have been silently downgraded to member.	[08:27]
assbot	BitBet - Brock Pierce to resign at BTC Foundation :: 0.3 B (3%) on Yes, 10.08 B (97%) on No \| closed 1 week 5 hours ago	[08:27]
assbot	Overview \| The Bitcoin Foundation	[08:27]
BingoBoingo	Mac OS (which roughly excludes things with version numbers greater than 7.1) did this thing where options presented graphically reflected machine state. 7.5.1 and later along with the OS X bastard begin the breaking of correspondence with... nigger fingers	[08:28]
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mircea_popescu	im going to have that as a yes, sometime tomorrow. if anyone wants to make an argument... you got about a day.	[08:28]
cazalla	wtf bitbet scam this is like the bfl bet	[08:28]
cazalla	sounds fair tbh, they must've done it on the sly not to bring attention to him	[08:29]
BingoBoingo	Oh Brock silently coup'd	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	it'	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	s a funny testament to both his and their relative importance	[08:29]
mircea_popescu	that the only point at which anyone notices this is when a bitbet mod tries to close a bitbet bet.	[08:29]
decimation	or that 10 btc is enough to motivate changing their 'structure'	[08:30]
BingoBoingo	It really seems that their entire structure changed to confound the bet	[08:30]
cazalla	did he resign or do it willingly though	[08:31]
gernika	I'm not understanding the argument that, shall we say, the less fair skinned would be extinct if not transported to the americas. Seems to me like there are more deadly diseases originating from Africa that kill whites than the other way around. Whites trying to settle Africa near the equator died like tsetse flies.	[08:32]
BingoBoingo	Honestly an questionable interpretation may be they went from a board of directors to a board of members... odd presentation question, maybe leading to a trap, but totes niggarific	[08:32]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo interesting poin tre appleos stuff. i never followed it any so i had no clue.	[08:33]
mircea_popescu	gernika so where is the great iroquis nation ?	[08:33]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This is what happens when your first computer is an actual mac in 2000-2001	[08:33]
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cazalla	maybe it's like casino whereby brock says he is food and beverage director but really about the only thing he directed was the casino	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	(and by any measures it WAS a great nation. greater than say, that-time italy)	[08:34]
BingoBoingo	Still it looks like Brock could lose this bet on webdesign points	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	cazalla yeah. right. so many punks grow up to be shadowlords.	[08:34]
gernika	mircea_popescu dead. I mean subsaharan africans though.	[08:34]
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mircea_popescu	gernika land in africa is just as valuable as land in the midwest, as far as land goes.	[08:34]
mircea_popescu	imagiune there wasn't a massive african diaspora in the us. how would rhodesia have looked ?	[08:35]
BingoBoingo	The precendent where Brock looses this bet on web design grounds could set a great precedent	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	there wasn't a massive chicano diaspora at isabelle's court. how did mexico look /	[08:35]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo wtf is one to do ?	[08:35]
cazalla	well look, bobby lee is named board member as well yet they were elected to same role	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	what role was it ?	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	"director of board membership" or something ?	[08:36]
cazalla	if board member, bad bet?	[08:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: To be fair I have great gains to make if the bet is resolved as yes, but... if such resolution makes muppets begin treating web documents as documents of record when they publich and maintain them... that would be a plus.	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	it can't really be a bad bet retroactively.	[08:36]
mircea_popescu	maybe the result ios a "this website is merely informational" disclaimer. as if lol.	[08:37]
BingoBoingo	I mean I'm not correcting attrocious sentences on my blog using the grounds that text is sacred.	[08:37]
cazalla	way back when shows those vacant seats as board members not directors	[08:39]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i find it distinctly riodiculous that nobody pointed this out prior.	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	for all the retarded nitpicks that make their way into bitbet comments...	[08:40]
BingoBoingo	I mean I am no where near as confident on this argument as when I Bitbet lawyered my way to a righteous win on S.DICE vs. S.BBET however this seems to instead harken back to luke-jr's BFL miner.	[08:40]
mircea_popescu	;;google brock pierce director	[08:42]
gribble	Brock Pierce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Brock Pierce \| LinkedIn: ; Brock Pierce - IMDb:	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	heh.	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	;;google "brock pierce" "bitcoin foundation" director	[08:42]
gribble	Brock Pierce to Bitcoin Foundation: I Will Not Step Down - CoinDesk: ; Bobby Lee, Brock Pierce Join Bitcoin Foundation's Board of Directors: ; Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director \| Reuters: (1 more message)	[08:42]
mircea_popescu	;;more	[08:42]
gribble		[08:42]
cazalla	why is bobby lee not still a director then	[08:43]
mircea_popescu	cazalla i am actually seeing a lot of merit in your position.	[08:44]
mircea_popescu	upon further consideration.	[08:44]
BingoBoingo	The argument I see in favor of no is largely a lack of resignation.	[08:44]
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cazalla	unless bobby lee joined him for a pool party	[08:47]
BingoBoingo	Maybe get some pedo wiki lawyers on this case?	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	"The three pilots in the cockpit had a combined 10,000 hours of flying time in the C-5, and were backed by two flight engineers with a combined 12,000 hours in the air. "	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	dude gtfo.	[08:48]
mircea_popescu	im not buying this "so they suddenly became greenhorns" argument.	[08:49]
BingoBoingo	I mean they are presenting these people as something they weren't when the bet was opened.	[08:49]
decimation	yeah an alternative explanation is that the upgrade was actually a downgrade	[08:49]
mircea_popescu	decimation senator says that's not the case :)	[08:50]
BingoBoingo	The foundation may be trying to set a trap, where they assume board member should be assumed as a director on the board. In spite of that abusing the definition of both board and director	[08:50]
BingoBoingo	I feel comfortable though disclosing 1A8CEYzN75pCztEb9VmZg7ATFTtLmNS3qU was the address for my bet, HI AGENT BROACHWALA!!!11!!	[08:51]
BingoBoingo	It may be the way of the future that tards start combating BitBet by changing labels.	[08:55]
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mircea_popescu	well... the problem is deeper than that. they're already combating sense by changing labels. take the board of directors : one used to have tro be a director first to be on that board.	[08:56]
mircea_popescu	nowadays... one wants to get on the board and this is presumed to make them a "director". over what ? heh.	[08:56]
BingoBoingo	That.	[08:57]
decimation	I thought the whole idea of 'boards' in us corporate law is to create a body that is independent of the management	[08:57]
decimation	I would think the presumption would be that none of the board members are directors in the sense of holding management positions	[08:57]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Becasue directors are over management. But other forms of boards exist	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	someone just fucking crashed outside.	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	the street is one of the widest IN THE WORLD	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	and it's fucking empty.	[08:58]
decimation	drunk?	[08:58]
mircea_popescu	must be. the trunks of tuesday night god help us.	[08:58]
BingoBoingo	decimation: Drunk is not an explanation for a crash in itself	[08:58]
gernika	mircea_popescu ok I think I see your point, though it seems like colonialism within Africa would have been more influential in transferring technology, especially in Rhodesia, from where very few slaves probably originated or to where the educated descendants may have returned. Sierra Leone and Liberia, where a lot of descendants of slaves actually returned to are serious shit holes.	[08:59]
[]bot	Bet created: "NMC >= .005 BTC in 2014" http://bitbet.us/bet/1039/	[08:59]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: What are some more Argentine businesses plagued by Friends syndrome?	[08:59]
decimation	gernika: I would note that the 'returned slaves' immediately began to enslave the locals and run plantations of their own	[08:59]
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mircea_popescu	gernika im not so sure that colonialism -> tech transfer thing is worth anything.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	;;google site:trilema.com extraction economy	[09:00]
gribble	Wikileaks - MDXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Wikileaks - MCCXXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for ...:	[09:00]
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mircea_popescu	hm. fu google.	[09:00]
mircea_popescu	a here we go http://trilema.com/2011/jaful-si-economia/	[09:01]
assbot	Jaful si economia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	link to a decent book on the topic in there.	[09:01]
mircea_popescu	(mostly english quotes in article so it's parseable)	[09:02]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what's friends syndrome ?	[09:02]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: You know, lazing about like sitcom New Yorkers.	[09:03]
BingoBoingo	!s NMC	[09:03]
assbot	64 results for 'NMC' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=NMC	[09:03]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo well let's see. argentine beef is world famous. they managed to lose most of their exporting contracts on the purely economic grounds of not managing to meet their minimal quotas.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	so now the principal export of the country is... soy.	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	that work for you ?	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	(beef here is still the best in the world, no arguments possible - and yes i've lived in texas etc)	[09:04]
mircea_popescu	http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p03/p/12.jpg << so this average stripper chose for herself the pr0n name "abigal mac"	[09:10]
mircea_popescu	what in the actual fuck, that's possibly the worst pr0n name i ever heard.	[09:10]
BingoBoingo	Soy is the second worst fate. At least you aren't stuck on dent corn.	[09:11]
[]bot	Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,968.	[09:13]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00083971 = 11.588 BTC [-]	[09:13]
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BingoBoingo	X-Rob: Do you have a favorite "dead" CPU architecture?	[09:24]
*	BingoBoingo finds ancient archs loved an interestingly revealing personality indicator	[09:35]
[]bot	Bet placed: 2.99998 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" http://bitbet.us/bet/1040/ Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.09998 BTC. Current weight: 99,910.	[09:36]
X-Rob	BingoBoingo: Z80 would be my favourite, as that's what I grew up with. I actually collect vintage computers.	[09:38]
BingoBoingo	X-Rob: Cool, Imma 68k fan	[09:38]
X-Rob	I have a pile of TRS-80's, prior to the colour computer.	[09:38]
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BingoBoingo	X-Rob: I had an interupted workflow not that long ago over a Mac SE/30 failure.	[09:39]
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X-Rob	BingoBoingo: It's amusing that the single 'LDIR' Z80 opcode took until SSE2 to be duplicated. 1 clock cycle to move any 8 bit chunk of memory around.	[09:39]
X-Rob	probably not that impressive now. But it was then!	[09:40]
BingoBoingo	What amazes me is how many of these gems live in so many places	[09:40]
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BingoBoingo	jdanks: Are you THE dank?	[09:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	no - he is just jdanks - btc enthusiuast from socal. good guy	[09:57]
BingoBoingo	Ah, cool.	[09:57]
BingoBoingo	Bless his parents.	[09:58]
RagnarDanneskjol	HAH	[09:58]
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BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, don't you know about Dank nearly killing is parents?	[10:00]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh, no, I misunderstood	[10:01]
RagnarDanneskjol	this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=643971.0;wap	[10:02]
BingoBoingo	It's on the forum. Dank's the sort of crazy us respectable crazy's abhor.	[10:02]
RagnarDanneskjol	right. got it	[10:02]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: That's dank lite.	[10:03]
RagnarDanneskjol	hmm	[10:03]
BingoBoingo	Dank gets much worse	[10:04]
RagnarDanneskjol	i think I recall some of the hysteria. will investigate into further	[10:05]
punkman	morgen	[10:05]
BingoBoingo	morgen punkman	[10:06]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: If you don't have apsychiatric interest it isn't the most fruitful time expendature	[10:07]
RagnarDanneskjol	I'v always enjoyed exploring madness - my mom is a shrink. also helps with honing my profiler/screening skills	[10:12]
punkman	seems like I need to get myself on an exchange, can't buy shit on -otc	[10:12]
punkman	but which one to choose...	[10:13]
RagnarDanneskjol	i have some local buyers/sellers I can introduce you to punk - they are the best i have found in the business	[10:13]
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BingoBoingo	I've never had trouble finding buyers and sellers on -otc before, but nao that FBI/Treasury has visited who knows	[10:14]
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RagnarDanneskjol	otherwise would try anx, kraken, localbtc	[10:15]
BingoBoingo	What brings you around these parts eizodo	[10:15]
punkman	BingoBoingo, I'm guessing it's because I don't have bigger number	[10:16]
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BingoBoingo	In my feel	[10:24]
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punkman	;;seen davout	[10:34]
gribble	davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2014#791960 <<< interesting	[10:34]
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punkman	;;gettrust BingoBoingo	[10:39]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user punkman to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=punkman&dest=BingoBoingo \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=BingoBoingo \| Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013	[10:39]
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punkman	mircea_popescu: so who runs bitfinex now?	[10:47]
mircea_popescu	it's about as clear as mud.	[10:47]
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BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: Let's take this debate in chan	[11:27]
BingoBoingo	I'd really like those coins in the short term, but what does the Brock bet resolution imply in the long term	[11:28]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: What is your first language?	[11:28]
RagnarDanneskjol	cpp	[11:28]
RagnarDanneskjol	English	[11:28]
BingoBoingo	So RagnarDanneskjol How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far?	[11:29]
RagnarDanneskjol	i know i lack the eloquence of some of the big brains in here, but didnt think my grammers were that bad	[11:30]
RagnarDanneskjol	please rephrase the question	[11:30]
BingoBoingo	lol, I'm drunk. How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far and their interaction have you read on?	[11:31]
RagnarDanneskjol	none prior to our conversation - last I read brock's name was the press releases in May indicating he was refusing resignation	[11:32]
RagnarDanneskjol	anytime i see btc foundation, the eyes gloss over	[11:33]
BingoBoingo	Well... time passes at the moment, key words seem to be resigned and director. MP has a strong position on the word director.	[11:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	Ahh, regarding the verbiage on the wager, i read "resigns" as the key determining factor	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	The thing is RagnarDanneskjol breaking the BTC foundation can probably pay more dividens than golang BTCD	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	Right, resigns can be determining. So can director as well.	[11:34]
BingoBoingo	Welcome to the origins of a cluster fuck.	[11:35]
RagnarDanneskjol	haha	[11:35]
BingoBoingo	Because several months ago the BTC foundation advertised a board of directors, while now... the advertise a board of members.	[11:36]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: Do you have a way to contact Brock for his input?	[11:36]
RagnarDanneskjol	right, it was a shrewd and tactful deciscion	[11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol	yes, I can visit the office anyday	[11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol	but he gives me the creeps	[11:37]
punkman	I thought Brock was the one that bet 10btc	[11:37]
BingoBoingo	But it doesn't appear to be shrewd	[11:37]
BingoBoingo	punkman: So did I. Still I want to contact him if I can.	[11:37]
punkman	BingoBoingo: it seems nobody put any real money down on yes, guessing clusterfuck was expected	[11:38]
BingoBoingo	punkman: I put about 0.1 on yes expecting a clusterfuck I could lose.	[11:38]
punkman	well as I see it, some people still have Director in their titles, Brock doesn't	[11:39]
BingoBoingo	One of the most amazing things about homo sapien biology is the separation of circulatory and lymphatic systems between the scrotum and testes	[11:40]
assbot	AMAZING COMPANY!	[11:40]
cazalla	the position that brock and bobby lee won were advertised as board members not directors	[11:40]
cazalla	having glossed over director/board member, i bet no as i thought brock the rock was a lock	[11:42]
BingoBoingo	cazalla: But if they were never directors Brock could also not resign from a directorship?	[11:42]
BingoBoingo	Brock is only a rock in the kiddie pool.	[11:42]
cazalla	rock spider	[11:42]
BingoBoingo	And I bet yes, because I thought the FBI was on our side instead of on my fucking doorstep.	[11:43]
BingoBoingo	The amount I put on yes was minimal compared to what that one nigger put on no.	[11:43]
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cazalla	wonder if it is brock	[11:44]
BingoBoingo	I seriously would love the yes returns on that bet, but hate the hate if yes was interpreted the yes way.	[11:45]
BingoBoingo	Kinda why I want brock in this chan yesterday.	[11:45]
RagnarDanneskjol	so he can confirm or deny resignation?	[11:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	I doubt he would confirm either way	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: So he can confirm or evade like a slimy chomo piece of shit.	[11:47]
RagnarDanneskjol	lol	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/brockpierce	[11:47]
assbot	Brock Pierce (brockpierce) auf Twitter	[11:47]
punkman	http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/16/us-bitcoin-foundation-resignations-idUSBREA4F02B20140516	[11:47]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director\| Reuters	[11:47]
punkman	they sure called him director a lot back then	[11:47]
BingoBoingo	punkman: But that was back then.	[11:48]
punkman	was there another "Executive Director" before matonis	[11:48]
BingoBoingo	The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter	[11:48]
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cazalla	he's still director according to this image https://twitter.com/TechweekLA/status/505792088303091712/photo/1	[11:49]
assbot	New at /hashtag/TechweekLA?src=hash! Co-CEO of /JustFabOnline /brockpierce (/BTCFoundation) /sonnyvu (/Misfit) http://t.co/mbQSDebMrC http://t.co/ozNQbquP4y	[11:49]
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mircea_popescu	The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter << quite.	[11:50]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507087891856900096	[11:50]
assbot	/brockpierce Are you familiar with IRC at all? Would you care to join the /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash-/Bitcoin_Assets channel for a bit of Q and A?	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what can the guy do, practically ?	[11:50]
mircea_popescu	take an oath ?	[11:50]
cazalla	perhaps it's brock that tells the journos that he's the director	[11:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: He can answer. Maybe not well, but in the worst case he can repent	[11:51]
BingoBoingo	I mean what can Obama do?	[11:51]
mircea_popescu	im just saying, generally to find an individuals position with an organisation, you need anyone but him	[11:52]
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punkman	maybe ask Matonis then?	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there.	[11:52]
mircea_popescu	punkman is this the same matonis that got kicked out a while back and then went back in ?	[11:53]
punkman	no idea	[11:53]
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BingoBoingo	which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. << Prime case where I get 30x on my money but fear how the niggers spin it.	[11:54]
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penguirker	New blog post: http://trilema.com/2014/the-human-stain/	[11:57]
punkman	what if Brock never were a director, wouldn't that make for a badbet?	[12:00]
punkman	to resign from a position you must have held the position at some point	[12:00]
punkman	in one of the foundation's IRS forms for 2013, only Matonis is listed as Executive Director and some girl as Assistant Director	[12:01]
BingoBoingo	If he were never a director that would, I think resolve as a "no"	[12:01]
cazalla	that's what i said earlier punkman	[12:02]
BingoBoingo	As you have to be a diretor to resign from directorship.	[12:02]
punkman	and it doesn't seem that board members hold any directorial duties	[12:02]
BingoBoingo	This revision from director board to memberboard makes everything so messy though.	[12:02]
BingoBoingo	It is a serious fucking Hearnia	[12:03]
BingoBoingo	Iodine Wipes!	[12:03]
BingoBoingo	Scalpel!	[12:03]
cazalla	way back when also lists karpeles as board member not director	[12:03]
punkman	https://github.com/pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/blob/master/Bylaws/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md	[12:04]
assbot	The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/Bylaws_of_The_Bitcoin_Foundation.md at master pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo GitHub	[12:04]
BingoBoingo	Not that blunt piece of shit cazalla, get me a fucking sharp #10!	[12:04]
cazalla	but when he resigned, the foundation said "Effective immediately, Mark Karpeles has submitted his resignation from the board of directors"	[12:04]
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cazalla	http://web.archive.org/web/20140224183648/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/blog/?p=462	[12:05]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation: Blog	[12:05]
punkman	they call it a board of directors in their bylaws, which are supposed to be current	[12:05]
BingoBoingo	diana_coman Halp, what is Ingles?	[12:05]
punkman	fukken words	[12:06]
punkman	how do they even work	[12:06]
BingoBoingo	punkman: But are their bylaws current with their actual operations? Are the nigger actually picking cotton in the field? These are hard fucking problems man.	[12:06]
cazalla	that release constrasted with this http://web.archive.org/web/20140214150712/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board	[12:07]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation: About: Board Members	[12:07]
RagnarDanneskjol	"statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet. For instance, "God Exists" is unacceptable, because it can never be established as either true or false."	[12:07]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00084455 = 21.9583 BTC [+] {2}	[12:08]
punkman	two days after Brock joined: https://web.archive.org/web/20140511082137/https://bitcoinfoundation.org/about/board/	[12:11]
assbot	Bitcoin Foundation	[12:12]
punkman	so he's always been board member on the website	[12:12]
BingoBoingo	Is this a board of members or a board of directors?	[12:14]
BingoBoingo	Does anyone have some lithium citrate?	[12:14]
RagnarDanneskjol	board members	[12:15]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: And that is in the middle of two options.	[12:17]
BingoBoingo	A board is nothing but what it can be composed of	[12:17]
BingoBoingo	Is this a director fiber or a member fiber?	[12:18]
RagnarDanneskjol	well, many boards have consultants, litigators, etc who participate as non-members	[12:20]
BingoBoingo	And on many they participate as members, but not directors	[12:20]
RagnarDanneskjol	right	[12:20]
BingoBoingo	The yes interpretations of the brock bet leave a lot of room for educating the niggerboard on meaning	[12:21]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 4200 @ 0.00050276 = 2.1116 BTC [-] {15}	[12:22]
penguirker	New blog post: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/	[12:22]
BingoBoingo	The no interpretation seems to offer moar... something	[12:22]
RagnarDanneskjol	seems to me the wording for this wager could qualify under "Can bets be cancelled? ...material changes that make the bet meaningless"	[12:23]
mircea_popescu	except nothing apparently changed.	[12:23]
BingoBoingo	Nothing except the clarity of foundation slime.	[12:24]
RagnarDanneskjol	true - other than interpretations, prolly dosn't meet threshold for"material" changes, unless it does	[12:24]
punkman	BingoBoingo: the clarity wasn't there to begin with	[12:25]
RagnarDanneskjol	better yet "We do review comments made for cases where bets should indeed be cancelled..."	[12:27]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19329999 = 0.5799 BTC [+] {2}	[12:27]
BingoBoingo	punkman: Sure it was, but when a frog gets ready to spawn...	[12:27]
BingoBoingo	I just can't believe I'm in a position to win stupid BTC on yes and still, at least in ernest (the victorian) arguing that I might be in line for nothing.	[12:28]
BingoBoingo	What has BTC done to people's morals but harden them!	[12:29]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1999 = 0.5997 BTC [+]	[12:30]
punkman	coming from a place where director actually means something, I'd be more inclined to go with Yes	[12:30]
BingoBoingo	!b 1	[12:30]
assbot	Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2JQR543.txt )	[12:30]
BingoBoingo	Interesting	[12:30]
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BingoBoingo	I'm in the position of imagining it would be better to make a nice dry rub and drag the subject here by his loins.	[12:31]
mircea_popescu	i still don't see what i could contribute, were i in the guy;s shoes and some third parties having had a bet	[12:32]
mircea_popescu	i suppose i wouldn't be in his shoes in the first place,. not having a tendency to get involved with scummy shit.	[12:32]
cazalla	if his is the 10 btc bet, surely he'll come	[12:32]
BingoBoingo	Right	[12:32]
BingoBoingo	!b 4	[12:32]
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RagnarDanneskjol	for bingo's sake, I hope you win, but seems far too much ambiguity in wording for any clear answer - with or without direct 'confirmations' from the source.	[12:32]
BingoBoingo	I dunno that I want to win this one.	[12:33]
BingoBoingo	And not just because the FBI knows my free'd name nao	[12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	I'm sure you're gonna be fine either way bingo	[12:34]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: Only if I know people who can pester over the matter of everything though.	[12:36]
BingoBoingo	If charges and remand mean an ankelbracelet and home instead of an ankel bracelet and the Darien gap... Anger!	[12:37]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: If only you enumerated the ways I can't be fine. Spiders? not fine! Centipedes? not fine!	[12:39]
BingoBoingo	And there's more	[12:39]
BingoBoingo	x86 computers? not fine!	[12:40]
RagnarDanneskjol	Bingo, you may not feel fine, but you will BE fine	[12:41]
RagnarDanneskjol	perhaps more weed, less lithium+booze.	[12:42]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: You may be using different definitions of "be" and "feel" in this context than I would. I mean I've enjoyed my least time in a locked ward.	[12:43]
BingoBoingo	And I know of no US programs that do lithium+booze.	[12:43]
BingoBoingo	Not that I like Lithium. It takes all of 3 days to make my flanks hurt like a whipped bitch.	[12:44]
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RagnarDanneskjol	ok, you seem rather well adjusted to me. maybe its everyone else who's crazy	[12:45]
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BingoBoingo	Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox.	[12:45]
RagnarDanneskjol	sounds like a party	[12:46]
BingoBoingo	RagnarDanneskjol: The greatest asset in any situation is knowledge of how you react.	[12:46]
BingoBoingo	I'm curious how Magnus Carlsen reacts to Ferguson niggers.	[12:47]
BingoBoingo	I bet it is better than how he reats to Ferguson police though.	[12:47]
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BingoBoingo	!up jdanks	[12:48]
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BingoBoingo	Hello jdanks	[12:48]
jdanks	mornin' gents	[12:48]
BingoBoingo	Morning	[12:48]
jdanks	so I am now in the WoT (: I love the channel and blogs from y'all	[12:48]
BingoBoingo	jdank who +1'd you?	[12:49]
BingoBoingo	;;gettrust jdanks	[12:49]
gribble	Currently authenticated from hostmask jdanks!~john@108-93-178-152.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user jdanks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=BingoBoingo&dest=jdanks \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jdanks \| Rated since: never	[12:49]
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jdanks	already?	[12:49]
RagnarDanneskjol	he just set it up now	[12:50]
jdanks	nobody it appears like. I just joined this madness	[12:50]
BingoBoingo	jdanks: cool, one always has to begin with the probing though.	[12:50]
jdanks	I am to not be trusted. Rolled in here on my tumbleweed. We do have a surprising amount of those in LA	[12:50]
BingoBoingo	Probing hurts more later	[12:51]
jdanks	No but really I engineer, I'm an open book. Sell eggs for BTC. Garden and what not	[12:51]
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BingoBoingo	jdanks: What are you growing? My chile looks splendid this year, but it probably is within 48 hours of being a health hazard/	[12:52]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.20882352 = 3.55 BTC [+] {2}	[12:54]
jdanks	My corn (white or blue or yellow) turned out small or with few kernels. It's been too hot. My Kale always loves the heat. Strawberries year round. I have loads of artichoke seeds. I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple.	[12:54]
RagnarDanneskjol	;;rate jdanks 2 is good people, quality eggs, also confirmed to be a living human being	[12:55]
gribble	Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user jdanks has been recorded.	[12:55]
cazalla	jdanks, what sorta chickens?	[12:55]
jdanks	I am trying not to kill the 2 year old fruit trees though. The annuals are going crazy. Thanks Ragnar!	[12:55]
BingoBoingo	I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. << We get sweet potatoes like that	[12:56]
jdanks	cazalla I have 4 leghorns, 3 rhode island reds, a couple barred rocks, and 3 black hens that are either australorp, buff orphington, or jersey giant	[12:56]
jdanks	BoingoBoingo dude the only reason it isn't in the ground going to seed is because the danged ladies dug/scratched it up.	[12:57]
cazalla	barred rocks are the same as plymouths, right?	[12:57]
jdanks	Yes and Amrocks too I think.	[12:57]
cazalla	i had 3 sussex bantams and 3 plymouth bantams	[12:58]
jdanks	Bred for show vs. Egg laying in it's own breed/strain	[12:58]
cazalla	with spring here, i'm going to build a proper coop and run for some more once some pullets are available locally	[12:59]
BingoBoingo	jdanks: At this point I'm just fucking with you because I can't keep Tilapia alive	[12:59]
jdanks	(: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha	[12:59]
cazalla	jdanks, yeah same, one of the sussex we had was so tame, the others would stay back but she'd come to the sliding door and peck it for food	[12:59]
jdanks	Those bantams are awesome. My faves are the barred rocks because they look like zebras	[12:59]
jdanks	lol Boingo that's sad. Don't those eat like..anything?	[13:00]
jdanks	cazalla when I'm outside having a cig they love jumping for it. Hell you can have anything in your hand and they will swarm you.	[13:00]
BingoBoingo	jdanks: Yes, tilapia are the worst in every sense. If you propose it to them as a food, they eat it.	[13:01]
BingoBoingo	Closest thing I can think of to Tilapia are Oscars, another African cichlid.	[13:02]
jdanks	I met this mechanical engineer once. He tells us his life story. After an hour he invites us into his house and backyard and he had this wonderful custom pool with crazy skulls in the cement. He was gonna farm Tilapia one season then I think crawfish the next and they would eat each others' poo or something. He had it all figured out lol	[13:03]
chetty	http://www.wctrib.com/content/police-chief-kills-boys-pet-chicken-fowl-were-violation-city-ordinance-0	[13:03]
assbot	Police chief kills boys pet chicken: Fowl were in violation of city ordinance \| West Central Tribune	[13:03]
jdanks	Thank goodness we moved the hens to be in accordance with our city ordinance. And here in my city for some reason animal control gets to make up those laws, the laws/code says	[13:04]
BingoBoingo	Tilapia aren't shit eaters like goldfish, but they aren't picky either.	[13:04]
BingoBoingo	Crawfish are a huge pain though because they NEED moving water	[13:05]
BingoBoingo	Crawfish are just about the perfect intersection of nutritious and gullible though	[13:06]
jdanks	He was going to go fishing. Every. Day.	[13:06]
jdanks	Kinda admire his spirit.	[13:06]
RagnarDanneskjol	sounds like my kinda guy	[13:07]
BingoBoingo	jdanks RagnarDanneskjol: either of you ever go gar fishing?	[13:07]
jdanks	Apparently if you build it, you may also make them come. gar?	[13:07]
jdanks	I wanna go catch some baby tuna. We got an El Nino swell goin on	[13:08]
BingoBoingo	jdanks: Gar, older than dinosaurs. Tastier too.	[13:08]
jdanks	I assume they taste like ass as opposed to shit?	[13:08]
RagnarDanneskjol	I grew up on east coast -barrier island, caught plenty of those. scary suckers	[13:08]
RagnarDanneskjol	didnt think they edible	[13:09]
BingoBoingo	jdanks: Decent substitute in crabcakes for crab. Just clear divide between edible an inedible meat on gar	[13:09]
mircea_popescu	Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. << wait you actually were speaking out of experience ?!	[13:10]
BingoBoingo	The good parts of gar taste divine. The bad parts don't taste like, but actually are poison.	[13:10]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: On a spectrum.	[13:11]
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BingoBoingo	Swiftly asked for lithium instead	[13:11]
mircea_popescu	jdanks> (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha << now this is true.	[13:12]
mircea_popescu	which is how young women ended up being called chicks.	[13:12]
BingoBoingo	!b 5	[13:12]
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jdanks	Can't seem to find the vid http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090725194128/familyguy/images/9/92/The_View.jpg	[13:15]
BingoBoingo	jdanks: Maybe you ask the wrong question?	[13:16]
jdanks	This one will suffice http://youtu.be/cAVmP16ktY4	[13:16]
assbot	The View Chicken Show - YouTube	[13:16]
jdanks	Oh boy I'm tired. postin useless vids. To bed!	[13:17]
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BingoBoingo	And this is the reason I trust the Jer0d Poore guy	[13:18]
punkman	mhmm I want to smoke some fish now, you guys are making me hungry	[13:19]
BingoBoingo	" Posted Today, 01:21 AM	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	I gave up on that, but thanks. It would be like trying to document the goings on of the NSA.	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	There is 3 dimensional chess occuring in Europe right now between Western Europe, Putin and the relative absence of the US. Pretty much everyone is pissed at / keeping an eye on Americans who are career US gvt. (Never fear - we were military and are now Contractors - no 3 letter agencies here...).	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	The difficulty is, if you've lived this life (and not been a stupid git going la la la in a bubble) for a long time, you learn to do certain things on auto pilot that, to someone looking for a "suspicious person" may ring bells. e.g. Take different routes, stay very aware of surroundings and people, avoid cameras (who the hell wants to be on the internet besides Jerod?), and for God's sake, sit facing the door of the restaurant!	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	These things were common place for military people during the Cold War and then people just kind of... forgot. Well, welcome to the new world order: it's the same as the old one, it never went away - people just stopped paying attention. Some people, anyway.	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	Life is remarkably similar to old Robert Ludlum novels. Unfortunately.	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	D	[13:20]
BingoBoingo	" -- another paranoid forumer	[13:20]
punkman	I'm thinking doradas and citrus wood	[13:21]
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BingoBoingo	I'm thinking ben_vulpes is confused screaming I wought to leave while seeing no reason to expatriate himself	[13:22]
chetty	I wonder what % of people who notice the on coming train and thing, hey I should get out of the way actually do?	[13:28]
mircea_popescu	that guy is a spook if there ever was one.	[13:28]
chetty	Probably not many if it involves moving their stuff	[13:28]
BingoBoingo	The -D who signed that text wall is an expatirated 'Murcan in Prussia is I recall correctly	[13:29]
mircea_popescu	i hear a quite distinct fear in the voice of these people.	[13:30]
mircea_popescu	a new found fear.	[13:30]
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mircea_popescu	in other news, http://girls.twistys.com/preview/totm/09-2014/p05/p/09.jpg	[13:39]
*	RagnarDanneskjol zooms in, wonders if thats bleached or just saliva	[13:42]
*	BingoBoingo wonders how Discus fish got to be a pool name sake	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	saliva.	[13:42]
BingoBoingo	few creatures in nature are more fragile	[13:42]
mircea_popescu	she's displaying perfect technique there too, that's how you take these shots : with the tosser's tongue on the outer rim, obscuring all that perianal melanin.	[13:44]
cazalla	what's with the sore across from clit and down a bit?	[13:46]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh yea -good eyes	[13:46]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.crazymeds.us/CrazyTalk/index.php/topic/26704-i-need-to-pick-your-brains-neurotransmitter-questions/#entry170088	[13:54]
assbot	I Need To Pick Your Brains... Neurotransmitter Questions - Know Your Neurotransmitters - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum	[13:54]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00084175 = 7.1549 BTC [-]	[13:55]
BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507120154481033216	[13:58]
assbot	Forcing specification through mutually disjunct implementations is the best we get. http://t.co/a6C84D4jvF /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets	[13:58]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [AM1] 30 @ 0.17583162 = 5.2749 BTC [-] {13}	[13:59]
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Azelphur	kakobrekla / any other op, moriarty is back to his old pm spamming antics in here.	[14:12]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: Demon, summon the spamming demon!	[14:13]
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Azelphur	and after saying ^, he's CTCP spamming me :P	[14:13]
BingoBoingo	moriarty do you read this plaintext?	[14:13]
BingoBoingo	Manifest yourself moriarty in this IRC chan, or choke on your text for 7 or 8 eternities	[14:14]
BingoBoingo	I'm not that picky	[14:14]
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BingoBoingo	!up bitstein	[14:19]
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BingoBoingo	Hello bitstein	[14:19]
bitstein	Hey BingoBoingo	[14:19]
BingoBoingo	Long time no see	[14:20]
bitstein	ha, yea. i have a lot of logs to catch up on.	[14:20]
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BingoBoingo	bitstein: Indeed you do, but so does Pierre	[14:22]
BingoBoingo	I mean bitstein people here are making bold claims; http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ AND you may be lost on the evidence	[14:23]
assbot	The Systemd war is over \| Bingo Blog	[14:23]
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BingoBoingo	!up tris	[14:24]
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BingoBoingo	bitstein: I dunno if you've realized yet, but as the S* N* Institute you need to take bold jumps	[14:26]
bitstein	such as?	[14:26]
BingoBoingo	bitstein: Such as declaring limits to systemd's progress in the linuxscape	[14:28]
BingoBoingo	You've got a good thing, your master gave it a good name.	[14:29]
BingoBoingo	Don't fight it	[14:29]
BingoBoingo	Kunta, if you aren't going to contest Toby as your new name you might as well just pick nubbins' cotton so he can focus on interesting t-shirts	[14:32]
BingoBoingo	A Proud stand https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507129087409012736	[14:34]
assbot	/evilgjb as of last week ALL processes have ppid==1 to bring the /hashtag/systemd?src=hash experience to /hashtag/FreeBSD?src=hash	[14:34]
bitstein	“Hearnia” made me lol	[14:34]
BingoBoingo	@karinjiri Fuck you in your asshole. Runlevel 4 or die motherfucker. Eat my shit you cock sucking shitmonger. @mwlauthor @evilgjb	[14:34]
BingoBoingo	Hearnia is true	[14:34]
BingoBoingo	bitstein: Have you ever dealt with a truely grave pelvic injury?	[14:35]
bitstein	nope	[14:35]
BingoBoingo	Hearnia just opens the story	[14:36]
BingoBoingo	bitstein: Did you also see the thing where the FBI showed up on my front door?	[14:36]
bitstein	No, I have been out of the loop for the past month. That’s crazy. What happened?	[14:37]
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pankkake	that systemd article is ridiculous…	[14:39]
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BingoBoingo	bitstein: http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/08/25/a-law-enforcement-encounter-if-you-ran-a-bitcoin-related-service-before-the-thing-hit-100-you-prolly-ought-to-be-somewhat-concerned-andor-prepared/ happened for starters	[14:40]
assbot	A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared \| Bingo Blog	[14:40]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: systemd is the devil	[14:40]
BingoBoingo	And not the good devil like I lovingly worship	[14:40]
pankkake	care to formulate an actual technical critic? other than the usual uninformed bullshit	[14:40]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: I like having metric fucktons of knobs to turn on the way to runlevel 4. Systemd precludes that.	[14:41]
pankkake	I can't wait until Debian finally trashes its init system. the thing can't even tell you reliably if a daemon is running	[14:42]
BingoBoingo	.'. Systemd is worse than the cotton gin	[14:42]
pankkake	yeah, the usual bullshit	[14:42]
pankkake	have you actually tried to use it?	[14:42]
BingoBoingo	It shouldn't reliable be able to tell you so	[14:42]
pankkake	lol	[14:42]
BingoBoingo	It SHOULD be mystery meat	[14:42]
BingoBoingo	A/UX worked, Solaris up to version 8 worked, FUCK DEBIAN!	[14:43]
pankkake	so that's basically hipsterism	[14:43]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: No, I am the fucking Pat Buchanan of computing.	[14:44]
BingoBoingo	I'm fucking paleo.	[14:45]
chetty	never update until the update has been out in wide use for at least a year	[14:45]
pankkake	wake me up if you ever have a technical argument, and actually used the thing. I have written enough init scripts to know what's what	[14:45]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: So what makes AIX the shit while IRIX sucks shit?	[14:46]
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BingoBoingo	These are primordial questions, born of the mud	[14:46]
BingoBoingo	sanity comes later, wrestle with some elder gods	[14:47]
punkman	http://boycottsystemd.org/	[14:48]
mircea_popescu	“Hearnia” made me lol << me too, actually.	[14:48]
assbot	boycott systemd	[14:48]
punkman	how about those	[14:48]
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mircea_popescu	soo... canonical is spawning a whole new windnux ?	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	!up bitspill	[14:50]
-assbot-	You voiced bitspill for 30 minutes.	[14:50]
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pankkake	punkman: yeah, they're retards	[14:50]
mircea_popescu	!up bitstein	[14:50]
-assbot-	You voiced bitstein for 30 minutes.	[14:50]
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mircea_popescu	"We do recognize the need for a new init system in the 21st century, but systemd is not it."	[14:51]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: systemd-ism explains the nigbuntu suck	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	i musta missed that memo. what's so special about this 21st century that it can't eat the same oatmeal all the other 58 coming before it did ?	[14:51]
mircea_popescu	"1. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries1. Its responsibilities grossly exceed that of an init system, as it goes on to handle power management, device management, mount points, cron, disk encryption, socket API/inetd, syslog, network configuration, login/session management, readahead, GPT partition disco	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	very, container registration, hostname/locale/time management, and other things."	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	ahahhaha.	[14:53]
mircea_popescu	no prng ? but why not :D	[14:53]
pankkake	except the distros init systems actually do that	[14:53]
pankkake	so, retards with no idea what they are talking about	[14:54]
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pankkake	again, come back when you have used the things, and tried to do basic sysadmin stuff with those	[14:54]
mircea_popescu	systemd's journal files (handled by journald) are stored in a complicated binary format2, and must be queried using journalctl. This makes journal logs potentially corruptible, as they do not have ACID-compliant transactions. You typically don't want that to happen to your syslogs. The advice of the systemd developers? Ignore it. No, seriously. Oh, and there's embedded HTTP server integration (libmicrohttpd). QR codes	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	are served, as well, through libqrencode.	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	libmircohttpd ? srsly ?	[14:55]
mircea_popescu	By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access)	[14:57]
mircea_popescu	ahahaha who the fuck designed this	[14:57]
pankkake	have you actually checked the validity of this list?	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	i mean sure, the "journal gets corrupted, fuck you, we're not fixing it" i can see. but then... dump all cores into it ?	[14:58]
mircea_popescu	pankkake i have nfi, this is my checking process. does it suck ?	[14:58]
pankkake	yeah, I don't know why I bother...	[14:59]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: I still like Solaris 8	[14:59]
pankkake	there's "like" and "I have to actually do things with it"	[14:59]
pankkake	seriously, is this a joke?	[14:59]
mircea_popescu	pankkake which part ?	[15:00]
pankkake	the part of jumping of the "systemd is bad" bandwagon without any knowledge whatsoever	[15:00]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: this is *nix world, everything works!	[15:00]
pankkake	...	[15:00]
punkman	pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck	[15:00]
mircea_popescu	"It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well"	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	herp.	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	pankkake so far i see some glaringly bad design decisions (core in journal, srsly ?) and some meat to the "they're trying to hijack linux" allegations. (srsly, this shit is too good to run as a user instance ?)	[15:01]
mircea_popescu	i don't particularly give a shit anyway, not like i;ve been seriously contemplating running contemporary distros anywhere anyway.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	"systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot."	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	how about that one roflmao.	[15:02]
mircea_popescu	srsly, it does all that AND it does it all as a single pid, AND it fixes which pid ? help me rwanda, what is this, microshit's fired a lot of "engineers" ?	[15:03]
chetty	sounds like windows	[15:03]
pankkake	init systems are PID 1...	[15:03]
pankkake	fucking fuck	[15:03]
pankkake	what am I even doing here?	[15:03]
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mircea_popescu	o.O	[15:04]
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mircea_popescu	dude, init systems that hijack the core dumping process, control the power settings and disk fucking encryption all together aren't "init systems" in the vein of what you're thinking of.	[15:04]
mircea_popescu	and why's he so touchy anyway.	[15:05]
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mircea_popescu	"11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so	[15:06]
mircea_popescu	be it. We will look for alternatives, however." << there's definitely some substance to that.	[15:06]
punkman	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/04/05/torvalds_sievers_dust_up/	[15:07]
assbot	Torvalds rails at Linux developer: 'I'm f*cking tired of your code' The Register	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	what again ?	[15:07]
mircea_popescu	no, that's the same april thing. ok os ?	[15:07]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9876 @ 0.00084289 = 8.3244 BTC [+]	[15:08]
mircea_popescu	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/systemd << not even ubuntu uses it o.O	[15:09]
assbot	systemd - Ubuntu Wiki	[15:09]
punkman	not yet at least	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	well ubuntu is imo the drain of the linux world. all shit will eventually end up in there,	[15:10]
mircea_popescu	"It's really sad that things like this get elevated to this kind of situation, and I personally find it annoying that it's always the same f*cking prima donna involved," Torvalds wrote.	[15:11]
mircea_popescu	apparently systemd devs have all the love and support they could use lol.	[15:11]
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mircea_popescu	;;later tell pankkake srsly, the odds of me coming to an opinion contrary of torvalds' on topix of linuxness are maybe null. wtf.	[15:12]
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pankkake	ubuntu doesn't use systemd because it's shit	[15:13]
pankkake	nor is torvalds against systemd	[15:13]
pankkake	and init systems DO handle encryption, network setup	[15:14]
pankkake	it's a bunch of shell scripts that do just that	[15:14]
mircea_popescu	well yes, but these seem a bunch of binaries instead ?	[15:14]
pankkake	yes, and?	[15:14]
pankkake	I'm sick and tired of talking in riddles	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	if i don't like what a script does, i edit it. if i don't like what a binary does, i ... ?	[15:15]
pankkake	you edit your init system really?	[15:15]
mircea_popescu	i edit everything. i actually learned to program by randomly poking and peeking in the z80 memory.	[15:16]
mircea_popescu	but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ?	[15:17]
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mircea_popescu	anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering.	[15:17]
mircea_popescu	is there more than meets the eye ?	[15:18]
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mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me.	[15:23]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Then why did the smart poles get that radiation poisoning	[15:23]
mircea_popescu	which ?	[15:23]
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mircea_popescu	X-Rob: I consider myself vindicated << lol didn't even take that much!	[15:24]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland << i read this as "tart in poland" first.	[15:25]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: The curies were poles weren't they. Also the poles are pretty much all of the pale left in Chiraq	[15:25]
mircea_popescu	well... they were "french"	[15:26]
BingoBoingo	Not pankkake french	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	Or like systemd radiation would have been still moar trendy	[15:28]
BingoBoingo	What I am seriously curious about is why does no other person in BTC have a cool story to tell about their FBI encounter?	[15:33]
BingoBoingo	Are Charlie and Erik that afraid?	[15:33]
mircea_popescu	what'd you have them say ?	[15:34]
BingoBoingo	Or do I price my liberty too cheaply? Or do I overestimate my oratory skill too much?	[15:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Just, Hey dudes, FBI showed up.	[15:34]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Just an acknowledgement of an encounter.	[15:35]
mircea_popescu	im pretty sure there were pix of shrem's encounter(s)	[15:35]
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BingoBoingo	At the airport when he was getting cuffed maybe, or are you refering to the bong thing I own none of.	[15:36]
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BingoBoingo	Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2014/09/03/the-systemd-war-is-over/ longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts	[15:39]
assbot	The Systemd war is over \| Bingo Blog	[15:39]
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mircea_popescu	o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log.	[15:40]
BingoBoingo	Indeed there is	[15:41]
mircea_popescu	asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. <<< obligatory https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg	[15:41]
assbot	Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other Things - YouTube	[15:41]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: You know what works with systemV init? A/UX	[15:44]
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BingoBoingo	So I joined random channel suggested by a spammer banned before I could post there but conversation with another person there:	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo> I'm from southern Illinois.	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	:)	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	what have new in Ilinois?	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	Oh, I'm trying to move further south in the state, but if I can't find a uni job I might go expatriate first	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	Also Chicag still sounds worse than Iraq	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	And now Ferguson on the other side of te river seems almost as bad as Chiraq	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	what is happening in Chichago?	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	Oh just niggers shooting each other, the usual	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	huh...	[15:47]
BingoBoingo	Seriously, it's why I like living south of I-70, put some distance between myself and that.	[15:47]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat.	[15:49]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I already mentioned the Federal task force looking over my plaintext shoulder in pm.	[15:50]
mircea_popescu	i mean failing to use a pastebin,	[15:51]
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BingoBoingo	https://twitter.com/BBoingo/status/507148870238085120	[15:52]
assbot	/mwlauthor You wrote the openbsd book, mind joining /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets for a bit on freenode?	[15:52]
BingoBoingo	Ah	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating.	[15:52]
mircea_popescu	i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make.	[15:53]
BingoBoingo	I'll search for the hat when I sober up. Just juggling a bunch of foreigners atm	[15:53]
chetty	there are dumbass consumers everywhere, unfortunately not limited to us	[15:54]
mircea_popescu	yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch.	[15:55]
mircea_popescu	these two may be related.	[15:55]
*	BingoBoingo awaits the Trilema post analysing angry birds, which to my knowledge is still the canonical touch screen game	[15:58]
mircea_popescu	kinda unlikely.	[15:59]
BingoBoingo	I thought you spent the last month finger fucking the shit out of i* games	[16:00]
mircea_popescu	sure, but not shitty ones.	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	"From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	to, despite the mock choice publicized to users – there was never any option."	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/ << check out angry guy.	[16:01]
assbot	Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog	[16:01]
mircea_popescu	stuff like that'd be so much better explicitly stated...	[16:01]
BingoBoingo	True	[16:04]
BingoBoingo	I'm just amazed I've spent ~12 hours now at just the right BAC to pontificate on *nix'y things	[16:05]
Azelphur	so, I had a fun week o/	[16:05]
BingoBoingo	Including the part where 68040's were not Mac's	[16:05]
BingoBoingo	Hey Azelphur	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	"As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldn’t offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (we’re talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!"	[16:05]
mircea_popescu	nutcase.	[16:05]
Azelphur	tried ownCloud, added some missing features, their team are all like "Oh, we'll pay for your costs to go to Berlin and come to our conference"	[16:06]
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mircea_popescu	nice.	[16:06]
Azelphur	was awesome :P	[16:06]
Azelphur	so apparently I'm like, the posterchild for ownCloud now	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: Owncloud seems like a iCloud/Dropbox marketing stunt	[16:06]
BingoBoingo	And why am I not invited to this shit.	[16:07]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: it's nothing to do with them beyond that it's similar	[16:07]
Azelphur	the easiest way to describe it is open source self hosted Dropbox/iCloud	[16:07]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: No it has everything to do with them because owncloud sucks	[16:07]
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Azelphur	BingoBoingo: I'm having no problems with it ;)	[16:07]
BingoBoingo	Owncloud is missing everything people like about the big names	[16:08]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: like what? I'm implementing missing things.	[16:08]
BingoBoingo	even though actual solutions have existed for a long time	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	"Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position.	[16:08]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: What about owncloud calendar?	[16:08]
mircea_popescu	nowadays it's just about to tip over into sanity. well done scheneir, you win a trip to suck my cock :D	[16:08]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: it has one, uses CalDAV so will integrate with anything else you have, the Calendar rewrite is also nearly finished with a bunch of new features.	[16:09]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo why such a hater!	[16:09]
Azelphur	haters gonna hate :P	[16:09]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: Does it work with real Mac OS calendar?	[16:09]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: I believe so, yes.	[16:09]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Because hate makes me feel alive	[16:10]
Azelphur	it all talks CalDAV afaik, but I wouldn't be caught dead on a Mac so...	[16:10]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: Are ypou familiar with my definition of real Mac OS and the machines I still connect to the internet with it?	[16:10]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: no	[16:10]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: CalDAV is an open specification that has been around for ages, if your application doesn't support it it's your application that sucks and not ownCloud	[16:11]
BingoBoingo	OS 7.5.1 is the end of the line	[16:11]
Azelphur	:P	[16:11]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: I can't help it if computers have onky gone downhill since 1991	[16:11]
Azelphur	lol	[16:11]
BingoBoingo	I mean software's gotten better.	[16:12]
Azelphur	well caldav was only drafted in 2007, so I guess you're out of luck ;)	[16:12]
BingoBoingo	You can run XFCE 4.10 on a motorola 68030...	[16:12]
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BingoBoingo	!up mapop	[16:13]
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Azelphur	BingoBoingo: I can run XFCE on my phone too :P	[16:13]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: I bet your phone has more than two colors though	[16:14]
Azelphur	indeed it does	[16:14]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: You realize this highlights a prime problem wrought by the nternet, right?	[16:14]
Azelphur	orly	[16:15]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: I have a friend you'd like, he still has a 486 :P	[16:15]
BingoBoingo	Ya rly	[16:15]
BingoBoingo	486 is too new	[16:15]
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BingoBoingo	If that had cred I'd be rolling a 68060	[16:16]
BingoBoingo	CISC hit a dead end at the 68030 though	[16:16]
Azelphur	lol	[16:17]
BingoBoingo	What the internet means though is that some nigga's Mac SE/30 is just as much a first class citizen as sum bitches Samsung galaxy s8	[16:17]
mircea_popescu	;;later tell mike_c that's splendid.	[16:18]
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Azelphur	BingoBoingo: HTC Xperia Optimus XT?	[16:19]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: Dunno the name, but ur mom's prolly older than it.	[16:19]
Azelphur	lol	[16:19]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: You just met me, you barely know what hardware I like. How can you presume to make a "cloud" I'd like?	[16:21]
BingoBoingo	I mean you can't do worse than Apple at least	[16:22]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: I don't believe I did :)	[16:22]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur so are you getting stock options ?	[16:23]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I haven't really touched investments beyond sitting on bitcoin for a while now	[16:23]
BingoBoingo	Azelphur: You mentioned the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a TI-89 you can convert him to saner options	[16:23]
Azelphur	I'm bad at it, remember? :P	[16:23]
mircea_popescu	nono, i mean, you going to work for this owncloud thing	[16:23]
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Azelphur	mircea_popescu: oh, no, the tl;dr is that dropbox was annoying me so I switched to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over	[16:24]
Azelphur	exactly	[16:24]
mircea_popescu	you left unemployed ?!	[16:24]
Azelphur	yep :<	[16:24]
BingoBoingo	!b 11	[16:25]
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mircea_popescu	nuts.	[16:25]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: can't impress these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days...	[16:25]
Azelphur	xD	[16:25]
mircea_popescu	this is why they want to hire you, logically.	[16:25]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not the greatest but it'll do for now	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your ticket to come over, that's a job interview.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	what else.	[16:26]
BingoBoingo	If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with the truth that no one hires librarians.	[16:26]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo you coulda asked :D	[16:26]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P	[16:27]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: When MpU is a thing, I'll keep your books from rotting	[16:27]
Azelphur	I even solved the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	Azelphur have you tried asking them if they're gonna give you stock options ? :D	[16:27]
Azelphur	haha	[16:27]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I think they aren't looking to hire people tbh :)	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo i guess you never read	[16:27]
mircea_popescu	;;google trilema cartile au murit	[16:27]
gribble	Iulie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; “Universalism: postwar progressivism as a Christian sect” pe Trilema ...: ; August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.:	[16:27]
Azelphur	and just wanted me there because the stuff I was doing is cool, which is fine with me	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	whole world is upside down i tell you.	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	but who knows, maybe you';re right.	[16:28]
Azelphur	mircea_popescu: yea, I got this offer from ionCube anyway that I'm probably gonna take	[16:28]
mircea_popescu	is tha the php encoding stuff ?	[16:29]
Azelphur	yep	[16:29]
Azelphur	pay isn't too great but at least it's a start :)	[16:29]
Azelphur	tbh all I really want from a job is enough to put a small amount away into BTC every month, then I can retire before too long :P	[16:30]
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mircea_popescu	:p	[16:30]
pankkake	owncloud competitor http://cozy.io/	[16:30]
assbot	Cozy, a personal cloud you can hack, host and delete	[16:30]
RagnarDanneskjol	Azelphur - is this you? https://github.com/Azelphur	[16:31]
assbot	Azelphur (Azelphur) GitHub	[16:31]
Azelphur	pankkake: yea, there are a few	[16:31]
Azelphur	RagnarDanneskjol: yup	[16:31]
RagnarDanneskjol	I follow your stuff & know some ppl might want to hire you. will email later today or tomorrow	[16:31]
RagnarDanneskjol	no reason to take less pay than you're worth	[16:32]
Azelphur	RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool, the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed to be starting at IonCube on Monday	[16:32]
mircea_popescu	RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright.	[16:32]
Azelphur	although contracts aren't signed yet	[16:32]
RagnarDanneskjol	oh we;; that is small -when do you need to accept by?	[16:32]
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Azelphur	RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno, HR hasn't contacted me yet	[16:33]
Azelphur	I grumbled at them about the contract because it's a "We own your soul" level evil	[16:33]
Azelphur	but we resolved that to some degree	[16:33]
RagnarDanneskjol	hold them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote?	[16:33]
Azelphur	onsite but their office is only like 30m public transport from me	[16:33]
Azelphur	RagnarDanneskjol: my problem is that I have /no/ corporate experience or qualifications, I'm just smart. xD	[16:34]
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RagnarDanneskjol	ok. might have some descent remote work you can do from home. I'll get back to you latr today	[16:34]
Azelphur	ok :)	[16:34]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ?	[16:35]
Azelphur	I'd bet on the latter	[16:36]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: That's an awfully chewy Trilema article	[16:36]
mircea_popescu	"trilema. chewing gum for your soul."	[16:36]
pankkake	just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems	[16:36]
kakobrekla	mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff.	[16:37]
mircea_popescu	putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ?	[16:37]
kakobrekla	helps	[16:37]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: This talk of sweatship printing as a necessity, yes if everything is old trilems!	[16:37]
pankkake	you're doing it again	[16:37]
Azelphur	kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had trouble walking the trying to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always trying to help, but sometimes people don't see it that way.	[16:38]
Azelphur	but then, those are usually the type of people who are overly sensitive anyway	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas.	[16:38]
mircea_popescu	pankkake what am i doing!11 eleventeen	[16:39]
kakobrekla	if you are sheep, act as the master wants.	[16:39]
pankkake	existing init systems are complicated too	[16:39]
Azelphur	kakobrekla: I ain't no sheep :)	[16:39]
kakobrekla	why you looking to get cut then	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there.	[16:39]
Azelphur	kakobrekla: because I need food? :P	[16:39]
mircea_popescu	kakobrekla do you mean sheared ?	[16:40]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: And the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much!	[16:40]
kakobrekla	sheep it is.	[16:40]
Azelphur	lol	[16:40]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 300 @ 0.004 = 1.2 BTC [-]	[16:40]
kakobrekla	dude im trolling from my bed, give me some slack	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	would you like schlitz on your slacks ?	[16:40]
kakobrekla	double.	[16:40]
mircea_popescu	btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ?	[16:41]
chetty	ouch	[16:41]
mircea_popescu	chetty apparently you zip it with your left hand in cupping your bits lol	[16:41]
BingoBoingo	I'm drinking a bottle of Missouri wine, of course I would rahter suck shclitz out of denim	[16:42]
chetty	not just zipping, walk around even would be not nice	[16:42]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Init must always be complicated, no reason to steal its knobs	[16:42]
pankkake	what does that even mean?	[16:43]
mircea_popescu	pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal to scripted/binary.	[16:43]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that	[16:43]
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mircea_popescu	if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment.	[16:45]
pankkake	I use OpenRC which have namespaces and binaries, is that evil too?	[16:45]
pankkake	nevermind that's it's widely more usable	[16:45]
pankkake	it must NEVER CHANGE	[16:46]
pankkake	I suppose you guys are using HAL too	[16:46]
BingoBoingo	OpenRC is like initd	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	pankkake but listen, openrc isn't trying to take over my computer.	[16:46]
pankkake	what does that even mean?	[16:46]
BingoBoingo	Bowties are fine	[16:46]
pankkake	fucking riddles	[16:46]
BingoBoingo	Pianowire if you tell me it is a bowtie is not fine	[16:46]
mircea_popescu	what do you mean riddles!	[16:47]
BingoBoingo	Is the melodic theme from the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough to think I can play that on my euphonium	[16:49]
mircea_popescu	pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ?	[16:51]
mircea_popescu	it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days.	[16:52]
BingoBoingo	http://www.armytimes.com/article/20140804/NEWS04/308040019/In-supersecret-cyberwar-game-civilian-sector-techies-pummel-active-duty-cyberwarriors	[16:52]
assbot	In supersecret cyberwar game, civilian-sector techies pummel active-duty cyberwarriors \| Army Times \| armytimes.com	[16:52]
BingoBoingo	There are reasons when people persent to me that they use or recommend gnome I suppose they are surrounde with the tools of 2003	[16:53]
mircea_popescu	"we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens.	[16:56]
mircea_popescu	Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second.	[16:57]
mircea_popescu	it's what it gets to boot. a second.	[16:57]
BingoBoingo	"we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs?	[16:58]
mircea_popescu	cuz it's evil, that's why.	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	"systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple	[16:59]
mircea_popescu	and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning."	[16:59]
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mircea_popescu	no see... he's making all the wrong arguments.	[16:59]
Luke-Jr	even I think systemd is crap	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	lmao	[17:00]
BingoBoingo	Take GABA A as an example, very well understood	[17:00]
Azelphur	Everyone is talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about.	[17:00]
Azelphur	xD	[17:00]
mircea_popescu	but srsly, it's easier to understand "For most people" ? like easier than what, like easier than it was for that stupid broad whatever her name was to understand that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ?	[17:01]
BingoBoingo	A large number of drugs specifically target GABA A	[17:01]
pankkake	he actually refered to what it was easier to learn	[17:01]
BingoBoingo	And no drug that specifically targets GABA A can efficiently cause death in an overdose	[17:02]
pankkake	I have written inits for systemd, debian, and openrc. have you?	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	only debian.	[17:02]
mircea_popescu	and taking a charitable view of "written"	[17:03]
BingoBoingo	Introduce something other than a benzodiazepine though...	[17:03]
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BingoBoingo	And then a single molecule of ETOH opens the cholirde channel too wide, death.	[17:04]
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diana_coman	thanks BingoBoingo	[17:05]
BingoBoingo	yw	[17:05]
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mircea_popescu	http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html << nah, he's not even being honest.	[17:07]
assbot	The Biggest Myths	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay.	[17:07]
BingoBoingo	I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out their wetware?	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic.	[17:07]
mircea_popescu	tyvm but i don't enjoy listening to liars that are THAT BAD at it.	[17:07]
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BingoBoingo	Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word.	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	*final	[17:12]
BingoBoingo	Now if GNU Hurd was a useful thing in 1991... systemd might be a thing.	[17:13]
BingoBoingo	Now though it it just a red hat/nigbuntu annoyance	[17:14]
BingoBoingo	The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all	[17:15]
BingoBoingo	per even I think systemd is crap	[17:15]
mircea_popescu	19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!!	[17:18]
mircea_popescu	and it also doesn't force you to... oh... wait.	[17:19]
BingoBoingo	Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps.	[17:19]
asciilifeform	mircea_popescu: we call this 'добровольно- принудительно' ('voluntary-compulsory')	[17:19]
BingoBoingo	Systemd is over	[17:19]
asciilifeform	BingoBoingo: if enemy died when you said 'bang! yer dead' life'd be a lot simpler, yes.	[17:20]
BingoBoingo	asciilifeform: I've never know not that to be the case.	[17:20]
mircea_popescu	nah, it's not gonna be over for a while yet. it has... well not so much traction, but plenty o' support.	[17:21]
BingoBoingo	Bra's get support	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	mansiere!	[17:21]
mircea_popescu	Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service.	[17:22]
BingoBoingo	systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets.	[17:22]
mircea_popescu	this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom	[17:22]
BingoBoingo	Either way the brass isn't going to spark, because that's just what brass does.	[17:23]
pankkake	we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service => since again I am the only one here who actually used the things, this is absolutely crucial	[17:25]
mircea_popescu	o look, there's #systemd	[17:26]
pankkake	daemon crashes, the output goes nowhere	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	pankkake that's a good thing, granted.	[17:26]
mircea_popescu	i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho.	[17:26]
pankkake	that's what the log points to	[17:27]
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mircea_popescu	lol "No, it can't read mail...yet". a sense o' humor never hurt anyone.	[17:27]
BingoBoingo	cool, now that its un-prefixed from systemd people are meant to use it anyway so might as well make it useful :D	[17:27]
BingoBoingo	^^ Nigga speak	[17:28]
pankkake	and as a Gentoo user I don't feel "trapped" so no delusion one way or the other	[17:28]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Anything that gives me less knobs than a mid 80's GUI is hell	[17:29]
pankkake	care to describe the "knobs"?	[17:29]
BingoBoingo	pankkake: Runlevel4	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	"We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin.	[17:29]
pankkake	...	[17:29]
mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo what are you so fixated on that anyway. what's it do for you ?	[17:29]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: In the linux standard base it is a user defined runlevel	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	anything other than 0 1 and what was it, 7.	[17:30]
mircea_popescu	no, 6.	[17:31]
BingoBoingo	Oh, just anything you care to force upon your boxen	[17:31]
pankkake	so you want your one custom integer runlevel compared to an infinity of named runlevels?	[17:31]
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BingoBoingo	pankkake: Yes, because that one runlevel can represent itself aleph sub 0 runlevels	[17:32]
mircea_popescu	For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century.	[17:33]
BingoBoingo	If you pretend systemd lives on an arch that can count aleph sub one possibilities Imma take my dick out and correct in in the traditional chinese sense	[17:33]
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mircea_popescu	Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally.	[17:35]
mircea_popescu	now that's a good fucking point, jesus it took a while to get to one.	[17:35]
BingoBoingo	As there is no uncountably infinite 0x in computing machines, there may be a lot of rapin to do to correct everybody.	[17:36]
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BingoBoingo	Thankfully viagra is not a controlled sunstance	[17:37]
BingoBoingo	*substance	[17:37]
kakobrekla	http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/08/31/inside-noiva-do-cordeiro-a-remote-brazilian-village-where-nearly-all-the-residents-are-women/	[17:39]
assbot	Inside Noiva do Cordeiro a remote Brazilian village where nearly all the residents are women \| National Post	[17:39]
BingoBoingo	systemd has 24 months to learn the silence that the spring lambs can't	[17:40]
BingoBoingo	In 25 months starfish bleed	[17:41]
mircea_popescu	http://0pointer.net/blog/revisiting-how-we-put-together-linux-systems.html << lengthy story (from the guy that earlier claimed they're not a cabal, of course) explaining how the future of linux is being windows.	[17:43]
assbot	Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	the best quote in there,	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	"The classic Linux distribution scheme is frequently not what end users want, either. Many users are used to app markets like Android, Windows or iOS/Mac have. "	[17:43]
BingoBoingo	http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2dw1wl/nakamoto_institute_scam/cjtmb7r	[17:43]
assbot	total_product_recall comments on Nakamoto Institute Scam?	[17:43]
mircea_popescu	well, this has been an informative adventure into how the modern day macdonalds location manager lives and breathes, but i guess i've had enough.	[17:44]
BingoBoingo	Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel	[17:45]
BingoBoingo	Or COlnel	[17:45]
BingoBoingo	Whatever the chicken licking niggas do now a days	[17:45]
pankkake	there's no libc in the linux kernel…	[17:46]
BingoBoingo	But to compile it?	[17:46]
mircea_popescu	pankkake saywut ?! glibc ?	[17:47]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: Join systemd again.	[17:47]
pankkake	it doesn't provide one	[17:48]
BingoBoingo	I want someone to measure how long I can spout truth/crazy	[17:48]
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pankkake	nor does bionic come from openbsd	[17:48]
pankkake	this whole discussion is such a joke	[17:48]
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providers36	thk	[17:49]
mircea_popescu	pankkake you mean like, separate from the gnu ?	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	if memory serves they tried and failed in the 90s.	[17:50]
pankkake	tried what?	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	a glibc forc	[17:50]
mircea_popescu	fork*	[17:50]
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BingoBoingo	So... systemd chan might not have someone capable of banning me	[17:55]
mircea_popescu	pankkake as to the other matter, say http://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article&sid=20140506132000	[17:56]
assbot	Android's C Library Has 173 Files of Unchanged OpenBSD Code	[17:56]
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BingoBoingo	Trolling #systemd is like slaughtering lemmings	[18:05]
Azelphur	Trolling is for people who don't have important things like code to write :P	[18:06]
BingoBoingo	http://dpaste.com/23ZA2W6	[18:06]
assbot	dpaste: 23ZA2W6	[18:06]
mircea_popescu	eh what are you bothering people for.	[18:07]
Azelphur	BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :)	[18:07]
BingoBoingo	Systemd is the devil	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	sure it is. but not for any of the reasons that you can come up with.	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: so go and ignore systemd	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	linux is mostly opensource, you are free to do whatever you want	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	zdzichu: No until you stop insisting all the world make systemd a dependency. Stop making my niggers pick your cotton!!!	[18:08]
BingoBoingo	mircea_popescu: I b0other them so the know their hitpoints later	[18:08]
mircea_popescu	you're not even doing a good jbo of it, this is like the weakest sauce trolling ever	[18:09]
mircea_popescu	he sounds a lot like this hacker, '4chan,' I read about on the news yesterday << lmao.	[18:09]
BingoBoingo	But it has great predictive value	[18:09]
BingoBoingo	Who knows? Maybe now that the FBI has seen it it stops liking systemd?	[18:10]
BingoBoingo	I mean chicoms	[18:11]
BingoBoingo	Everywhere	[18:11]
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BingoBoingo	http://games.slashdot.org/story/14/09/03/0021222/changing-the-rules-of-a-15-year-old-game-quake-live-update-causes-controversy << WHy sytemd can't live	[18:14]
assbot	Changing the Rules of a 15-Year-Old Game: Quake Live Update Causes Controversy - Slashdot	[18:14]
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providers36	thanks	[18:21]
BingoBoingo	The sad thing about systemd is that even though red hat made it, ubuntu will fork it just because, and it will die. No serious intervention ought be necessary for this Hearnia	[18:21]
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BingoBoingo	http://deadspin.com/reports-wes-welker-suspended-four-games-for-amphetamin-1629795049	[18:23]
assbot	Wes Welker Suspended Four Games For Amphetamines (And Maybe Molly, Too)	[18:23]
BingoBoingo	Wes Welker is sytemd	[18:25]
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BingoBoingo	BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) << Let them know it isn't about them. It is Microsoft.	[18:31]
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thestringpuller	mircea_popescu: you ever play dwarf fortress	[18:32]
mircea_popescu	nop	[18:32]
thestringpuller	;;later tell nubbins` just roll it like a blunt	[18:32]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[18:32]
thestringpuller	;;google cracked dwarf fortress	[18:33]
gribble	Dwarf Fortress \| Cracked.com: ; xkcd • View topic - You gotta get into Dwarf Fortress if you haven ...: ; How To Get Into Dwarf Fortress \| Press X or Die:	[18:33]
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BingoBoingo	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/gynecological-cancer-survey-eve-appeal_n_5754798.html?&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000067	[18:42]
assbot	Nearly Half Of Young Women In The U.K. Don't Know Where Their Vagina Is	[18:42]
BingoBoingo	No wonder why moiety starved	[18:44]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00084339 = 34.7477 BTC [-] {2}	[18:46]
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punkman	http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/02/marriage-problems-_n_5725672.html?cps=gravity	[18:54]
assbot	5 Signs Your Marriage Is On Shaky Ground	[18:54]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40896790 BTC to 15`370 shares, 9167 satoshi per share	[19:00]
assbot	[HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.64790976 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 752 satoshi per share	[19:01]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35300 @ 0.00084281 = 29.7512 BTC [-] {2}	[19:04]
punkman	https://twitter.com/digitalocean/status/440744543856492544	[19:05]
assbot	Hey /digitalocean - how about you support me? My users are ready!	[19:05]
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mircea_popescu	i had nfi digital ocean was a small startup.	[19:54]
mircea_popescu	why not digitalpuddle then. lake, soemthing.	[19:54]
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mircea_popescu	BingoBoingo here's something for when you wake up. http://trilema.com/2010/lawrence-alma-tadema/	[20:13]
assbot	Lawrence Alma-Tadema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.	[20:13]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust	[20:14]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user : Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=%3CKernel_Killer%3E \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=%3CKernel_Killer%3E \| Rated since: never	[20:14]
mircea_popescu	;;gettrust Kernel_Killer	[20:14]
gribble	WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Kernel_Killer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=Kernel_Killer \| WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Kernel_Killer \| Rated since: never	[20:14]
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jurov	;;later tell Azelphur did you see http://explo.yt/post/2014/08/23/First-impressions-from-ownCloud ? i have serious issues with both calendar and contacts	[21:15]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:15]
assbot	First impressions of ownCloud - serialized delusions	[21:15]
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TheNewDeal	;;Later tell nubbins' flat pack it. Give me an address to send to	[21:16]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:16]
[]bot	Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1028/ Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 85(Y):15(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.48191626 BTC. Current weight: 49,533.	[21:22]
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artifexd	;;later tell nubbins` Flat pack it. Shall I send the extra to the same address?	[21:31]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[21:31]
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pete_on_the_balt	ahoy!	[21:48]
pete_on_the_balt	might take me a while to parse through all dem logs.	[21:48]
pete_on_the_balt	forgive me if i start quoting shit that's 3 days past prime	[21:48]
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pete_on_the_balt	;;nethash	[21:55]
gribble	209787434.975	[21:55]
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thestringpuller	maybe you should stop using boats	[22:08]
thestringpuller	and instead use airplaines	[22:08]
thestringpuller	:D	[22:08]
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pete_on_the_balt	lol who me, use boats?	[22:12]
pete_on_the_balt	thestringpuller: http://contravex.com/2014/09/01/all-the-kings-horses-and-all-the-kings-men-cant-stop-a-social-engineering-attack/#comment-10243	[22:13]
assbot	All The King’s Horses And All The King’s Men Can’t Beat A Social Engineering Attack \| Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski	[22:13]
thestringpuller	lol in 2030 i'll probably be dead	[22:15]
thestringpuller	or in cryofreeze	[22:15]
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pete_on_the_balt	heh	[22:17]
pete_on_the_balt	i dunno, if you beat cancer once or twice, i'm sure you'll be there	[22:17]
assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16931 @ 0.00084797 = 14.357 BTC [+]	[22:21]
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artifexd	http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/this-girl-designed-porn-banners-for-a-living	[22:31]
assbot	Things You Learn Designing Porn Banners for a Living \| VICE United Kingdom	[22:31]
thestringpuller	I'd rather just go into Cryofreeze and wake up in the year 3000	[22:32]
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thestringpuller	how endearing...	[22:35]
thestringpuller	mod6: JEEZY'S NEW ALBUM DROPPED!!!!!	[22:36]
thestringpuller	damn this album is sick	[22:37]
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pete_on_the_balt	gotta run for nao, hopefully i'll be back again before long :)	[22:37]
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assbot	[HAVELOCK] [RENT] 161 @ 0.00439999 = 0.7084 BTC [+] {3}	[22:44]
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TheNewDeal	Later tell nubbins` ditto what articles said	[22:58]
TheNewDeal	;;Later tell nubbins´ ditto what artifexd said	[22:59]
gribble	Error: That is an invalid IRC nick. Please check your input.	[22:59]
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TheNewDeal	Fack	[22:59]
TheNewDeal	;;Later tell nubbins` ditto what artifexd said	[23:00]
gribble	The operation succeeded.	[23:00]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28900 @ 0.0008403 = 24.2847 BTC [-] {3}	[23:07]
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kuzetsa	geez, it's kinda crappy that a game that's been around since 1999 still sometimes have NPCs in one of the main areas which like... interracting with the NPC is bugged, and instantly crashes the game client 100% of the time	[23:23]
kuzetsa	this time, as a test I tried a nearby vendor (no crash) then went back to the one I had problems with and it was reproducable & crashed yet again	[23:24]
chetty	guess it is not being maintained, what game is it?	[23:25]
kuzetsa	no, it's totally being maintained, and the 21st expansion is due out 4th quarter 2014 (october, tentatively)	[23:25]
kuzetsa	everquest	[23:25]
kuzetsa	which I believe is like... the original MMORPG ever or something like that	[23:26]
kuzetsa	oh... maybe not -- this one was around first, and you had to use a dial-up modem to directly connect to it because basically nobody had interent connections in 1992 ---> http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg	[23:31]
kuzetsa	"[...] for as little as $1.80 per hour"	[23:31]
kuzetsa	O_O	[23:31]
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chetty	haha I played everquest some looong ago. There were MMORPG before it, just not 3d	[23:41]
thestringpuller	kuzetsa: ultima online was tecnically the first	[23:41]
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assbot	[MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00083978 = 14.3182 BTC [-]	[23:42]
kuzetsa	thestringpuller: how do you figure? wasn't ultima online 1997? the thing I linked was 1992	[23:44]
thestringpuller	mah bad	[23:45]
thestringpuller	first one to charge	[23:45]
thestringpuller	doo doo do dooo	[23:45]
kuzetsa	uhhh...	[23:45]
kuzetsa	the 1992 one I linked was "$1.80 per hour	[23:45]
thestringpuller	really?	[23:45]
kuzetsa	http://i.imgur.com/35lSTcU.jpg <-- yes, really (that's an old magazine advert for it)	[23:45]
punkman	MUDs were around long before 1992	[23:46]
*	cazalla (cazalla@unaffiliated/cazalla) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:47]
thestringpuller	ah	[23:47]
thestringpuller	apparently 1985 was the first mmo	[23:48]
thestringpuller	Island of Kesmai	[23:48]
*	assbot gives voice to cazalla	[23:48]
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*	trixisowned (~sahsfakhf@174-29-54-100.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:52]
*	HeySteve (~DinoSaw@unaffiliated/heysteve) has joined #bitcoin-assets	[23:55]
thestringpuller	;;ticker	[23:58]
gribble	Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker \| Best bid: 475.81, Best ask: 477.38, Bid-ask spread: 1.57000, Last trade: 477.38, 24 hour volume: 5194.73819791, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 479.57, 24 hour vwap: 0	[23:58]
thestringpuller	;;ls	[23:58]
gribble	What do you think I am, a shell?	[23:58]
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