Forum logs for 03 Sep 2014

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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kakobrekla [00:10]
assbot . - YouTube [00:10]
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ben_vulpes lol [00:42]
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penguirker New blog post: [01:01]
penguirker New blog post: [01:01]
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ben_vulpes ;;later tell thickasthieves holla [01:44]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:44]
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BingoBoingo [02:28]
assbot More than 30 teens escape Nashville youth detention center - LA Times [02:28]
BingoBoingo ;;ticker [02:31]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 473.0, Best ask: 473.76, Bid-ask spread: 0.76000, Last trade: 473.0, 24 hour volume: 7354.53286549, 24 hour low: 470.42, 24 hour high: 484.61, 24 hour vwap: 477.092010119 [02:31]
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X-Rob Hah. mircea_popescu you may remember my diatribe about all the stupid design flaws in unattainium. I consider myself vindicated. [02:55]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: What's that a picture of? [02:58]
X-Rob BingoBoingo: bittrex, with Unattainum saying 'DISABLED' next to it. [02:59]
BingoBoingo Ah, I saw the disabled part, but had no idea wtf the site was [03:00]
Apocalyptic X-Rob, isn't the doge hurting too much ? [03:00]
X-Rob Apocalyptic: I don't know where that doge came from. I lease my rig for doge, but I normally just convert it straight to btc. [03:00]
X-Rob It's worth 0.06BTC. Woo. [03:02]
BingoBoingo Wait, is Doge really trading for 28 satoshis per? [03:02]
Apocalyptic BingoBoingo, I believe so [03:03]
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X-Rob 27 [03:03]
BingoBoingo My how its fallen [03:05]
BingoBoingo %p [03:05]
atcbot No data returned from [03:05]
atcbot [PityThePool Hashrate]: 513.11 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.84 TH/s [03:05]
BingoBoingo %d [03:06]
atcbot [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 271195.09 in 1497 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -85.56 [03:06]
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BingoBoingo My hou much Coinminer actually sucked [03:07]
X-Rob Geez, still 1500 blocks to go? [03:09]
kakobrekla kinda cool [03:17]
assbot absorptions: Mystery signal from a helicopter [03:17]
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BingoBoingo X-Rob: Well, at least it is moving [03:21]
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BingoBoingo !up tatinportland [03:29]
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tatinportland sup! [03:29]
BingoBoingo Not to much [03:29]
BingoBoingo Hearn getting informed on the SPV thing: [03:30]
assbot [BIP][Draft] SPV improvement for light wallet [03:30]
tatinportland met up with a friend here seeing if Ben is around [03:30]
tatinportland fuck hearn alrdy [03:31]
tatinportland hearn esta fragile [03:32]
TheNewDeal which ben [03:33]
tatinportland vulpes [03:33]
tatinportland unless there are more Ben's in pland [03:34]
TheNewDeal ben_vulpes [03:34]
BingoBoingo ;;google Ben's in pland [03:34]
gribble Factory Tours | Ben & Jerry's: ; Ben & Jerry's Waterbury Plant - Waterbury, VT | Yelp: ; Ben & Jerry's Factory Tour and Flavor Graveyard, Waterbury, Vermont: [03:34]
tatinportland babes In toyland [03:35]
tatinportland dry I'm past sober a couple hrs ago [03:36]
tatinportland sry [03:36]
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TheNewDeal past sober... I like that mentality [03:47]
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BingoBoingo [03:52]
assbot You have your Windows in my Linux | Data Center - InfoWorld [03:52]
BingoBoingo [03:58]
assbot In Maryland, a Soviet-Style Punishment for a Novelist - The Atlantic [03:58]
tatinportland thx bb [03:59]
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BingoBoingo !up tatinportland [04:00]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44666 @ 0.00083899 = 37.4743 BTC [-] {2} [04:05]
ben_vulpes tat im inbound to the victory [04:07]
ben_vulpes le ultra expensive american cab [04:07]
ben_vulpes tatinportland: ping [04:07]
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BingoBoingo [04:11]
assbot The Secret Pot-Growing Operations in America's Cornfields - The Atlantic [04:11]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3350 @ 0.00083614 = 2.8011 BTC [-] [04:25]
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decimation asciilifeform: << lol at first I was like huh? then I read comments - hilarious [04:25]
assbot Chemical Shifts and Coupling Constants for Silicon-29 (Landolt-Barnstein: Numerical Data and Functional Relationshi): R. R. Gupta, M. D. Lechner, Heinrich Marsmann, Bozhana Mikhova, Frank Uhlig: 9783540452775: Books [04:25]
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decimation my understanding is that NMR resolution isn't good enough to be helpful for silicon-based integrated circuitry [04:33]
decimation asciilifeform: I always wondered about the rather large population of fortune tellers in Maryland. I'm glad that the state is regulating them to make them 'ok for you'. [04:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26050 @ 0.00084006 = 21.8836 BTC [+] {3} [04:38]
decimation asciilifeform: "server logs" << these are from the http referer headers? [04:38]
lobbes "As they watched the bonfire die down, they asked the DEA officials to estimate the value of the marijuana they had just burned. The reply: half a million dollars. The farmers had to laugh. The value of the corn that had been cut down to grow it? $32" << heh, I wonder how many farmers just keep the plants [04:42]
BingoBoingo I have to imagine it can't be a non-trivial number [04:44]
decimation re: sabu/fbi irc chat << fyi, if you are a 'hacker' and someone tells you that they can 'hack NATO', you are being played [04:45]
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asciilifeform decimation: logs << yes [05:04]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: yes, they want to replace init.d scripts with a hearn-style binary turd. surprised ? [05:05]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: A bunch of Distros have already made the transition. The surprise is people are just now bitching about this. [05:06]
asciilifeform yet another... hearnia. [05:06]
* asciilifeform never saw them, never will see [05:06]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [05:07]
assbot Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [05:07]
BingoBoingo Hearnia probably ought to join the vocabulary [05:07]
asciilifeform lol [05:07]
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BingoBoingo Any any painful techical change causing by ignoring the idiots long enough for their shit sacks to escape into the inguinal canal. [05:10]
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TheNewDeal beautiful [05:13]
asciilifeform good news is - now choosing a linux distro is easier than ever before. [05:13]
asciilifeform (and choosing a bsd - easier yet.) [05:13]
BingoBoingo Indeed [05:14]
asciilifeform all those things that confounded the novice, like the piles of hay confounded buridan's donkey - aren't 'choices' at all, after all. [05:14]
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BingoBoingo I mean seriously, who wants to run a *nix laptop and not play with runlevels [05:16]
asciilifeform this isn't about the aesthetics, either. [05:16]
asciilifeform this is about microshit and usg (but i repeat myself) finally making some headway in dealing with the 'final solution' to the escapees from wintel 'problem.' [05:16]
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asciilifeform there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. [05:19]
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decimation asciilifeform: I take it you are not a 'systemd' fan? [05:22]
asciilifeform howd'you guess [05:22]
decimation I'm not sure it's as conspiratorial as you make out, 'people want' to have their systems boot quickly [05:22]
asciilifeform what's inherently slow about init.d ? [05:23]
BingoBoingo decimation: No I want fucking control over how my system boots! And I don't want fucking dependency hell because I want my system in runlevel 4! [05:23]
decimation exactly the dependency issue. If you "know" what your system depends on, you can parallel-boot multiple processes simultaneously [05:24]
BingoBoingo [05:24]
assbot Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog [05:24]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: this is not just about depriving you of knobs to turn. the hearniators must clear some ground to emplace their hearnias - this requires demolishing some very well understood, traditional widget, so that it -must be replaced, dontcha know, it's obsolete-. [05:25]
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decimation I think there's also some 'me-too'-ism with secure booting off the tpm module [05:25]
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asciilifeform ah yes, the old fritz chip. [05:26]
BingoBoingo As notated in the logs from April - May this year after my scrotum's previous brush with illness and danger, the surprise Hearnia would be a most unwelcome guest. [05:26]
decimation after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? [05:27]
* BingoBoingo wonders if anyone here can recall when Mac OS machines stopped shipping with "resedit" [05:28]
decimation BingoBoingo: pre-bsd mac os was a turd [05:28]
BingoBoingo decimation: But is an intimately knowable one. OS 7 lives! [05:29]
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decimation somehow there's motivation in the 'linux' world (by that I mean redhat) to make the OS 'go away' [05:31]
decimation so that you can just spin up multiple http/db stacks simultaneously [05:31]
BingoBoingo It's amazing how much though that could have been the case in LISP machine world. [05:32]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:32]
BingoBoingo But instead people want Java world [05:32]
decimation what about LISP written in Java? [05:33]
decimation today I was trying to wrap my head around C++ std vector libraries [05:33]
BingoBoingo decimation: The Problem with Java is it denies the existence of Hardware [05:33]
decimation I was amazed that anyone could think that it's a great idea to give up control over your software using templates written by some committee [05:34]
asciilifeform decimation: these weren't designed for the comfort of the user - any more than electric chair was [05:34]
asciilifeform sizzle in comfort or on bare iron - not for the long pig to decide. [05:35]
decimation I was thinking about your point about how these languages put the programmer in 'jail' by separating 'language' and 'code' [05:36]
decimation it made me unhappy to be programming C++ [05:36]
BingoBoingo It is amazing though how quickly the long pig can "go feral" in the wilderness, much like its namesake. [05:36]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [05:36]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14235 @ 0.00084278 = 11.997 BTC [+] {2} [06:14]
BingoBoingo !mpif [06:16]
assbot F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021650 B (Total: 473.44 B). Delta: -1.08 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00022 BTC [+] [06:16]
mircea_popescu X-Rob so you take delight in the disabilities of others ? i see how it is. [06:23]
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BingoBoingo xanthyos: That's an interesting take. I didn't really have much background on the stuff when I started sitting on the now apparently defunct #BitcoinBarron chan [06:25]
X-Rob mircea_popescu: lying and stubborn headedness isn't a disability. [06:26]
mircea_popescu if that isn't a disability, i dunno what is :) [06:26]
* BingoBoingo can tell it is statement season because the logs are so thin. I guess it is a consequence of so many things going on [06:26]
TheNewDeal statement season? [06:26]
mircea_popescu but anyway, i'm beinf facetious for the fun of humiliating they absent third parties that believe in form and formalism. [06:27]
BingoBoingo Form is useful to a point, but by the time you take it far enough to add -ism it's gone too far. [06:28]
mircea_popescu form in itself is never useful. [06:31]
mircea_popescu form as used by they with a lot of substance isn't even form per se anymore. [06:31]
mircea_popescu me killing dopey-popo-plus being a fine example of exactly this. [06:32]
BingoBoingo Well form must always exist as a +1 onto something else to be useful. [06:33]
TheNewDeal form and function are quite useful tools for analysis . anatomy teacher used to preach it in secondary school [06:33]
BingoBoingo TheNewDeal: Form and function aren't "things" though. Function is a requirement and form is a structure for implementation. [06:35]
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TheNewDeal form is an abstract thing [06:36]
mthreat mthreat how did the exclusion clauses work in search agai ? // the minus sign excludes terms, e.g. wheat -chaff [06:36]
TheNewDeal for instance if you looked at computer code you could ask. What does it accomplish (what is it's function?)? and How did it go about doing that (in what form?)? [06:36]
BingoBoingo The20YearIRCloud: Well, right. You can't give me pyramid, though you can give me pyramids or a pyramid. [06:38]
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mircea_popescu << this may be of some general interest. [06:46]
assbot A complete theory of economics pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [06:46]
mircea_popescu mthreat aty! [06:46]
mircea_popescu TheNewDeal there's a difference between form as you use it and form as used before. yours is the result of everything spurious being taken away, it's the form of livingthings chiseled in a million years of predition and ovulation. [06:47]
decimation mircea_popescu: so you aren't a Platonist? [06:48]
mircea_popescu the other thing is a convention, the result of nothing but spuriousness. [06:48]
mircea_popescu decimation indeed not, how could i ever be ? [06:48]
mircea_popescu what gave it away and what made you think that in teh first place [06:48]
decimation hehe I didn't. but you aren't a fan of Aristotle either? [06:48]
mircea_popescu in parts. contrary to what the european hordes thought, aristotle holds not the answer to everything,. [06:49]
decimation In your urban v. rural article, you mentioned that the surveillance state is "feminine thinking". what do you mean by that? [06:52]
BingoBoingo The first giant red flag I experienced about grad school in philosophy was that a classmate existed such that they claimed to be an absolute Berkely/Hume Idealist [06:54]
decimation BingoBoingo: what was your classmate's theory on the Observer who animates the cosmos? [06:54]
BingoBoingo decimation: I don't remember if I ever knew. You just kind of tune someone out after that. [06:55]
mircea_popescu decimation it's a large topic. [06:56]
decimation I get what you are saying about the cost of information storage and processing being nearly infinite, so it's a foolish idea to begin with. My guess at the "feminine" part was that this bureaucracy imagines it can comprehensively exercise control over the world without a face-to-face confrontation. [06:59]
mircea_popescu but you're familiar enough with my thinking to be aware how dimly i view this proposition that kids should be encouraged to "guess" what "the words mean in context" rather than look it up [07:01]
decimation ;;ud feminine [07:06]
gribble | Feminine means "What pertains to a woman". There are no qualifications. Whatever a woman does is feminine, because they are a woman, and they are doing ... [07:06]
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mircea_popescu hehe well yeah, here's the problem : nobody;'s written the trilema dictionary yet, and the author itself feels unequal to the task of defining the feminine, which is why i passed above. [07:08]
mircea_popescu which means you're quite stuck. but perhaps if you had a question or some statement that could be tested or something ? [07:08]
mircea_popescu ie, more context of what you plan to use that definition for. [07:08]
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decimation I guess I was thinking about where the surveillance state fell on the urban-rural axis - it seems to me that it is ultra-urban (Roman). While it might not be able to process infinite information, what if the level of information it could process is 'good enough' to turn the entire world into Rome? [07:13]
mircea_popescu i think this may be a flaw of modelling. consider this point : one of the ways nero got a bad reputation was through going out at night and assaulting random people in the street. [07:15]
mircea_popescu this was predicated on them not knowing who he was, and furthermore, on him not knowing who they were. [07:16]
mircea_popescu doesn't this much unknowing throw a hole in your rome model ? [07:16]
mircea_popescu (he once or twice got beat up pretty bad on account of it, too) [07:16]
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BingoBoingo Well in contrast Julius spent months in pirate captivity threatening them with crucifiction and managed to live to see his ransom arrive so he could carry out the threat [07:19]
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mircea_popescu lol [07:21]
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mircea_popescu for that matter, rome did not have income tax, or consumption tax. it had a capitation, and some trade licensing fees. [07:21]
decimation Yeah I do see how that throws a wrench in the model. Here's a real-world example: << greenspun details how Obama travels with an enormous entourage, which usg can't afford - this fact doesn't occur to anyone 'in the loop' [07:21]
assbot Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama and New England aviation businesses start their vacation [07:21]
mircea_popescu i have no idea why people keep thinking of it in terms of a sort of older us without tablets. it's so reactionary in fact it'd put medieval england to shame. [07:22]
mircea_popescu decimation the point is valid, and people with a clue ocasionaly make it [07:22]
BingoBoingo Julius Ceasar would make the redditard's case for waiting until the time comes, if only they knew of him [07:22]
mircea_popescu (such as, the worst thing a contemporary president can do for a disaster area ? travel there.) [07:22]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo oh but i am aware. and the reason i wake up so chipper & cheerful i nthe mornings is quite a large pile of this, where the oppressed have the key to their freedom in their hand and somehow omitted to going to school the day its use was taught. [07:23]
decimation the guys 'in the loop' with all of this supposed knowledge apparently can't differentiate between luxury resorts in Massachusetts and a third-world hellhole [07:23]
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nubbins` nice to meet your disaster, here's 10 tons of co2 [07:23]
nubbins` or "plant air" [07:24]
mircea_popescu nubbins` that's not it. a buncha fuctards have to be hosted somewhere, and they don't carry tents to camp in. [07:24]
mircea_popescu and a bunch is like 1k people by now. [07:24]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: What are your thoughts on archival inks? [07:26]
nubbins` ah, care to direct me a bit more than that? [07:26]
mircea_popescu no nubbins` you gotta give the long form abofe! [07:26]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Something that pairs well with the lifespan of cotton fiber paper. [07:26]
BingoBoingo Looking for something that might beat the old standard of India Ink, but as far as I know that is the state of the art [07:27]
decimation heh one of the links in greenspun's blog: [07:28]
assbot Air Force blames crew for C-5 crash | The News Journal | [07:28]
nubbins` india ink is pretty solid, as long as it's marked as archival quality [07:28]
nubbins` pascale is using some sort of watercolor pastes these days that come in impossibly small tubes, i'll check them out next time i'm upstairs [07:29]
BingoBoingo Interesting [07:29]
decimation nubbins`: are you going to use acid-free paper? [07:29]
nubbins` decimation, natch [07:31]
nubbins` BingoBoingo, winsor & newton is the brand [07:31]
* BingoBoingo honestly doesn't care much about acidity of paper, good stuff gets permethrin, capscaisin, and nystatin anyway [07:32]
* asciilifeform recalls thread on hanbot's site re: smelling of books & shudders [07:33]
decimation asciilifeform: yeah when I read your comment it brought to mind my youth: my friend's homes each had a different smell which struck me as I entered [07:34]
BingoBoingo lol [07:34]
decimation usually a bad one if they had pets [07:34]
asciilifeform ah see, the comment wasn't about smells in the usual sense [07:34]
asciilifeform as in, things an adult can actually reliably smell. [07:34]
mircea_popescu supposedly this is the most striking quality of a functioning harem. [07:34]
mircea_popescu the variety of scent. [07:34]
asciilifeform decimation: so it wasn't a matter of what kind of animal there was the dung of [07:35]
decimation no, it was something more - including all the clean supplies, carpets, foods, habits [07:35]
asciilifeform this was the kind of smell that varied from room to room in a house. [07:36]
mircea_popescu pets do have a print, for sure. [07:36]
* asciilifeform gives up on trying to describe it because it was not attributable to any familiar object like shit, piss, food, carbol, etc. [07:36]
mircea_popescu never give up. [07:37]
asciilifeform handiest way to answer this question is build the amp & show firsthand. [07:37]
asciilifeform one day. [07:37]
decimation hehe perhaps after a rich prince has funded your secure terminal [07:38]
asciilifeform lol [07:38]
asciilifeform re: story with airplanes: i once saw something quite like this in life. was in wash., d.c., and an entire sixteen or so blocks were barricaded off, no one knew why. some days later, newspapers triumphantly described dick cheney's dinner at a certain restaurant in middle of said place. [07:40]
asciilifeform these folks actually picture themselves as 'chinese emperors', with 'forbidden city' conjured up anywhere they like. [07:41]
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asciilifeform city police, for the duration, becomes their private army, etc. [07:42]
decimation which would be one thing if they were the doge of venice [07:42]
decimation but these guys also conjure the salaries for all of their minions out of thin air [07:43]
asciilifeform the other pertinent 'psychiatric' observation here is that the waste decried in the airplane piece is - mandatory. consider - in savage tribe where, e.g, hats are worm, chieftain might have longest hat. or he might get the choicest slice of long pig, whichever. in 'consumption' tribe - modern usa - what badge of rank for royalty? [07:46]
asciilifeform one ought to be surprised they don't burn the airplane on the public square every time. [07:46]
decimation yeah that's a good point [07:47]
asciilifeform this kind of thing can be relied on to carry on - until can't [07:47]
decimation it's an elaborate cargo-cult of security with real humans acting as the 'cargo plane' [07:47]
decimation and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part [07:48]
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asciilifeform don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. [07:49]
decimation hehe yeah. as one commentator put it (on greenspun's site): "I doubt that Obama (or Bush in his day) even thinks about what kind of travel arrangements are being made on his behalf. It’s the lackeys around them who like to be part of a grand spectacle, compounded by unfettered risk aversion in the federal and MA security apparatus." [07:50]
asciilifeform people like to laugh at 'golden toilet' - but the latter is potentially heirloom item, will show no detectable wear for a thousand years [07:50]
asciilifeform american 'golden toilets' tend to fall into rust if you forget them in a closet for a year. [07:50]
mircea_popescu and even though the president has very little personal authority his underlings are more than happy to throw this security party because they each get a part << quite. [07:51]
decimation asciilifeform: but the trouble is that instead of conjuring actual heirloom objects, the usg method is to piss away the money on 'airlifting' an SUV from DC to New England [07:51]
mircea_popescu if i were president i'd just walk there. [07:51]
decimation as if you couldn't just drive there in 4 hours [07:51]
decimation Or load up on any of 100000 trucks who move such cars as a trade (or trains) [07:51]
mircea_popescu said no roman emperor after caracalla, for the very reason that made charlemagne great : he was nothing much outside of the chief of the guards. [07:51]
asciilifeform u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair [07:53]
asciilifeform (and, presumably, properly 'aryan') [07:53]
mircea_popescu heh. [07:53]
mircea_popescu meanwhile over here, i ran into a chamber minority leader (they have like six) in a coffee shop by the courthouse. [07:54]
decimation supposedly the constitution forbids forcing citizens to quarter troops, but apparently giving up their livelihoods and ruining their vacations so usg can have a security part is 'ok for them' [07:54]
mircea_popescu don't forget the machines and their vendors. various parts with high-threes or low-fours 'MTBF', periodic mandatory maintenance, etc. - churn inventory. <<< would seem to contradict asciilifeform> u.s. presidential car is an infamous laughing-stock - broke down recently in england (?) and they had one hell of a time finding a shop that would attempt repair [07:55]
mircea_popescu these can't both be the case. [07:55]
asciilifeform sure it can. [07:55]
mircea_popescu tell ? [07:55]
decimation the mtbf numbers are all theoretical [07:55]
asciilifeform they neglected to bring 'lockheed' - or whoever normally diddles that machine - along for the ride. [07:55]
mircea_popescu decimation point being the vultures in question'd have made good money out of it. [07:55]
mircea_popescu oh. [07:56]
mircea_popescu that far huh ? [07:56]
asciilifeform if i recall, it was eventually flown (!) back for repairs. [07:56]
decimation [07:56]
mircea_popescu decimation re heirloom items. anyone know who cato porcius was, and why he got that name ? [07:56]
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asciilifeform other detail was that it was done in by a ragged bit of cement on road. [07:57]
asciilifeform (broke axle, if i remember) [07:57]
asciilifeform and this, with 'world's best armour' etc. [07:57]
decimation I only know of Cato the Elder [07:57]
decimation oh, same guy [07:57]
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mircea_popescu he was a censor, and as a censor he had the authority to forbid luxury expenditures. which he did, by forbiding some types of textile, which were very expensive, all imported, and wore quickly. [07:58]
mircea_popescu the women - which, by that time, were mostly prostitutes - all hated him for it, [07:58]
mircea_popescu and what did they do ? they went to reddit to call him names! [07:58]
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mircea_popescu all of it - quite feminine :) [07:59]
asciilifeform lol [07:59]
decimation the reddit of the time being the stall of some brother or something? [07:59]
decimation s/brother/ brothel/ [07:59]
mircea_popescu well they had these bed-parties [08:00]
mircea_popescu (they didn't sit around the table. they... lay there) [08:00]
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decimation When I think of security paranoia among US leaders it reminds me of this story in the Daily Mail: [08:04]
assbot Royal Navy turn guns pointing at Michelle Obama's hotel room around | Mail Online [08:04]
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asciilifeform decimation: lol, what a 'cruiser aurora' that would've been. [08:05]
decimation asciilifeform: here's another presidential limo lol [08:06]
assbot BBC News - Obama's Beast 'did not get stuck' on Dublin ramp [08:06]
penguirker New blog post: [08:08]
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decimation those cursed sailors on Kronstadt caused a heap of trouble for the whole world [08:10]
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BingoBoingo Oh the newest trilema explains both Mac OS love and OSX hate [08:23]
mircea_popescu how so ? [08:24]
mircea_popescu [08:26]
assbot Domain Suspension [08:26]
decimation I read it as a parable about GPG usability [08:27]
mircea_popescu but anyway, here's a rfc. in re this bet : it calls for pierce to be a director. currently as per he seems to have been silently downgraded to member. [08:27]
assbot BitBet - Brock Pierce to resign at BTC Foundation :: 0.3 B (3%) on Yes, 10.08 B (97%) on No | closed 1 week 5 hours ago [08:27]
assbot Overview | The Bitcoin Foundation [08:27]
BingoBoingo Mac OS (which roughly excludes things with version numbers greater than 7.1) did this thing where options presented graphically reflected machine state. 7.5.1 and later along with the OS X bastard begin the breaking of correspondence with... nigger fingers [08:28]
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mircea_popescu im going to have that as a yes, sometime tomorrow. if anyone wants to make an argument... you got about a day. [08:28]
cazalla wtf bitbet scam this is like the bfl bet [08:28]
cazalla sounds fair tbh, they must've done it on the sly not to bring attention to him [08:29]
BingoBoingo Oh Brock silently coup'd [08:29]
mircea_popescu it' [08:29]
mircea_popescu s a funny testament to both his and their relative importance [08:29]
mircea_popescu that the only point at which anyone notices this is when a bitbet mod tries to close a bitbet bet. [08:29]
decimation or that 10 btc is enough to motivate changing their 'structure' [08:30]
BingoBoingo It really seems that their entire structure changed to confound the bet [08:30]
cazalla did he resign or do it willingly though [08:31]
gernika I'm not understanding the argument that, shall we say, the less fair skinned would be extinct if not transported to the americas. Seems to me like there are more deadly diseases originating from Africa that kill whites than the other way around. Whites trying to settle Africa near the equator died like tsetse flies. [08:32]
BingoBoingo Honestly an questionable interpretation may be they went from a board of directors to a board of members... odd presentation question, maybe leading to a trap, but totes niggarific [08:32]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo interesting poin tre appleos stuff. i never followed it any so i had no clue. [08:33]
mircea_popescu gernika so where is the great iroquis nation ? [08:33]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This is what happens when your first computer is an actual mac in 2000-2001 [08:33]
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cazalla maybe it's like casino whereby brock says he is food and beverage director but really about the only thing he directed was the casino [08:34]
mircea_popescu (and by any measures it WAS a great nation. greater than say, that-time italy) [08:34]
BingoBoingo Still it looks like Brock could lose this bet on webdesign points [08:34]
mircea_popescu cazalla yeah. right. so many punks grow up to be shadowlords. [08:34]
gernika mircea_popescu dead. I mean subsaharan africans though. [08:34]
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mircea_popescu gernika land in africa is just as valuable as land in the midwest, as far as land goes. [08:34]
mircea_popescu imagiune there wasn't a massive african diaspora in the us. how would rhodesia have looked ? [08:35]
BingoBoingo The precendent where Brock looses this bet on web design grounds could set a great precedent [08:35]
mircea_popescu there wasn't a massive chicano diaspora at isabelle's court. how did mexico look / [08:35]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo wtf is one to do ? [08:35]
cazalla well look, bobby lee is named board member as well yet they were elected to same role [08:36]
mircea_popescu what role was it ? [08:36]
mircea_popescu "director of board membership" or something ? [08:36]
cazalla if board member, bad bet? [08:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: To be fair I have great gains to make if the bet is resolved as yes, but... if such resolution makes muppets begin treating web documents as documents of record when they publich and maintain them... that would be a plus. [08:36]
mircea_popescu it can't really be a bad bet retroactively. [08:36]
mircea_popescu maybe the result ios a "this website is merely informational" disclaimer. as if lol. [08:37]
BingoBoingo I mean I'm not correcting attrocious sentences on my blog using the grounds that text is sacred. [08:37]
cazalla way back when shows those vacant seats as board members not directors [08:39]
mircea_popescu cazalla i find it distinctly riodiculous that nobody pointed this out prior. [08:40]
mircea_popescu for all the retarded nitpicks that make their way into bitbet comments... [08:40]
BingoBoingo I mean I am no where near as confident on this argument as when I Bitbet lawyered my way to a righteous win on S.DICE vs. S.BBET however this seems to instead harken back to luke-jr's BFL miner. [08:40]
mircea_popescu ;;google brock pierce director [08:42]
gribble Brock Pierce - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: ; Brock Pierce | LinkedIn: ; Brock Pierce - IMDb: [08:42]
mircea_popescu heh. [08:42]
mircea_popescu ;;google "brock pierce" "bitcoin foundation" director [08:42]
gribble Brock Pierce to Bitcoin Foundation: I Will Not Step Down - CoinDesk: ; Bobby Lee, Brock Pierce Join Bitcoin Foundation's Board of Directors: ; Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director | Reuters: (1 more message) [08:42]
mircea_popescu ;;more [08:42]
gribble [08:42]
cazalla why is bobby lee not still a director then [08:43]
mircea_popescu cazalla i am actually seeing a lot of merit in your position. [08:44]
mircea_popescu upon further consideration. [08:44]
BingoBoingo The argument I see in favor of no is largely a lack of resignation. [08:44]
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cazalla unless bobby lee joined him for a pool party [08:47]
BingoBoingo Maybe get some pedo wiki lawyers on this case? [08:48]
mircea_popescu "The three pilots in the cockpit had a combined 10,000 hours of flying time in the C-5, and were backed by two flight engineers with a combined 12,000 hours in the air. " [08:48]
mircea_popescu dude gtfo. [08:48]
mircea_popescu im not buying this "so they suddenly became greenhorns" argument. [08:49]
BingoBoingo I mean they are presenting these people as something they weren't when the bet was opened. [08:49]
decimation yeah an alternative explanation is that the upgrade was actually a downgrade [08:49]
mircea_popescu decimation senator says that's not the case :) [08:50]
BingoBoingo The foundation may be trying to set a trap, where they assume board member should be assumed as a director on the board. In spite of that abusing the definition of both board and director [08:50]
BingoBoingo I feel comfortable though disclosing 1A8CEYzN75pCztEb9VmZg7ATFTtLmNS3qU was the address for my bet, HI AGENT BROACHWALA!!!11!! [08:51]
BingoBoingo It may be the way of the future that tards start combating BitBet by changing labels. [08:55]
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mircea_popescu well... the problem is deeper than that. they're already combating sense by changing labels. take the board of directors : one used to have tro be a director first to be on that board. [08:56]
mircea_popescu nowadays... one wants to get on the board and this is presumed to make them a "director". over what ? heh. [08:56]
BingoBoingo That. [08:57]
decimation I thought the whole idea of 'boards' in us corporate law is to create a body that is independent of the management [08:57]
decimation I would think the presumption would be that none of the board members are directors in the sense of holding management positions [08:57]
BingoBoingo decimation: Becasue directors are over management. But other forms of boards exist [08:58]
mircea_popescu someone just fucking crashed outside. [08:58]
mircea_popescu the street is one of the widest IN THE WORLD [08:58]
mircea_popescu and it's fucking empty. [08:58]
decimation drunk? [08:58]
mircea_popescu must be. the trunks of tuesday night god help us. [08:58]
BingoBoingo decimation: Drunk is not an explanation for a crash in itself [08:58]
gernika mircea_popescu ok I think I see your point, though it seems like colonialism within Africa would have been more influential in transferring technology, especially in Rhodesia, from where very few slaves probably originated or to where the educated descendants may have returned. Sierra Leone and Liberia, where a lot of descendants of slaves actually returned to are serious shit holes. [08:59]
[]bot Bet created: "NMC >= .005 BTC in 2014" [08:59]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: What are some more Argentine businesses plagued by Friends syndrome? [08:59]
decimation gernika: I would note that the 'returned slaves' immediately began to enslave the locals and run plantations of their own [08:59]
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mircea_popescu gernika im not so sure that colonialism -> tech transfer thing is worth anything. [09:00]
mircea_popescu ;;google extraction economy [09:00]
gribble Wikileaks - MDXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Wikileaks - MCCXXXIX pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; Ron Maimon, Luboš Motl and other Internet things I hear of today for ...: [09:00]
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mircea_popescu hm. fu google. [09:00]
mircea_popescu a here we go [09:01]
assbot Jaful si economia pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [09:01]
mircea_popescu link to a decent book on the topic in there. [09:01]
mircea_popescu (mostly english quotes in article so it's parseable) [09:02]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what's friends syndrome ? [09:02]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: You know, lazing about like sitcom New Yorkers. [09:03]
BingoBoingo !s NMC [09:03]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo well let's see. argentine beef is world famous. they managed to lose most of their exporting contracts on the purely economic grounds of not managing to meet their minimal quotas. [09:04]
mircea_popescu so now the principal export of the country is... soy. [09:04]
mircea_popescu that work for you ? [09:04]
mircea_popescu (beef here is still the best in the world, no arguments possible - and yes i've lived in texas etc) [09:04]
mircea_popescu << so this average stripper chose for herself the pr0n name "abigal mac" [09:10]
mircea_popescu what in the actual fuck, that's possibly the worst pr0n name i ever heard. [09:10]
BingoBoingo Soy is the second worst fate. At least you aren't stuck on dent corn. [09:11]
[]bot Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" Odds: 95(Y):5(N) by coin, 95(Y):5(N) by weight. Total bet: 1.1 BTC. Current weight: 99,968. [09:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00083971 = 11.588 BTC [-] [09:13]
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BingoBoingo X-Rob: Do you have a favorite "dead" CPU architecture? [09:24]
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[]bot Bet placed: 2.99998 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty to fall before November" Odds: 25(Y):75(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 4.09998 BTC. Current weight: 99,910. [09:36]
X-Rob BingoBoingo: Z80 would be my favourite, as that's what I grew up with. I actually collect vintage computers. [09:38]
BingoBoingo X-Rob: Cool, Imma 68k fan [09:38]
X-Rob I have a pile of TRS-80's, prior to the colour computer. [09:38]
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BingoBoingo X-Rob: I had an interupted workflow not that long ago over a Mac SE/30 failure. [09:39]
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X-Rob BingoBoingo: It's amusing that the single 'LDIR' Z80 opcode took until SSE2 to be duplicated. 1 clock cycle to move any 8 bit chunk of memory around. [09:39]
X-Rob probably not that impressive now. But it was then! [09:40]
BingoBoingo What amazes me is how many of these gems live in so many places [09:40]
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BingoBoingo jdanks: Are you THE dank? [09:54]
RagnarDanneskjol no - he is just jdanks - btc enthusiuast from socal. good guy [09:57]
BingoBoingo Ah, cool. [09:57]
BingoBoingo Bless his parents. [09:58]
RagnarDanneskjol HAH [09:58]
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BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Oh, don't you know about Dank nearly killing is parents? [10:00]
RagnarDanneskjol oh, no, I misunderstood [10:01]
RagnarDanneskjol this?;wap [10:02]
BingoBoingo It's on the forum. Dank's the sort of crazy us respectable crazy's abhor. [10:02]
RagnarDanneskjol right. got it [10:02]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: That's dank lite. [10:03]
RagnarDanneskjol hmm [10:03]
BingoBoingo Dank gets much worse [10:04]
RagnarDanneskjol i think I recall some of the hysteria. will investigate into further [10:05]
punkman morgen [10:05]
BingoBoingo morgen punkman [10:06]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: If you don't have apsychiatric interest it isn't the most fruitful time expendature [10:07]
RagnarDanneskjol I'v always enjoyed exploring madness - my mom is a shrink. also helps with honing my profiler/screening skills [10:12]
punkman seems like I need to get myself on an exchange, can't buy shit on -otc [10:12]
punkman but which one to choose... [10:13]
RagnarDanneskjol i have some local buyers/sellers I can introduce you to punk - they are the best i have found in the business [10:13]
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BingoBoingo I've never had trouble finding buyers and sellers on -otc before, but nao that FBI/Treasury has visited who knows [10:14]
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BingoBoingo Hello eizodo-- [10:14]
eizodo-- hello [10:14]
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RagnarDanneskjol otherwise would try anx, kraken, localbtc [10:15]
BingoBoingo What brings you around these parts eizodo [10:15]
punkman BingoBoingo, I'm guessing it's because I don't have bigger number [10:16]
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BingoBoingo punkman: My number is small [10:16]
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BingoBoingo eizodo: You realize all of these nick changes are totally visible, yes? [10:18]
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* BingoBoingo wonders why moar people don't work hard [10:23]
BingoBoingo In my feel [10:24]
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BingoBoingo Bring the cotton out to be sole [10:24]
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punkman ;;seen davout [10:34]
gribble davout was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 6 days, 21 hours, 4 minutes, and 42 seconds ago: ;;later tell mircea_popescu <<< interesting [10:34]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35700 @ 0.00084435 = 30.1433 BTC [+] {2} [10:36]
punkman ;;gettrust BingoBoingo [10:39]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo. Trust relationship from user punkman to user BingoBoingo: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 7 via 5 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Wed Mar 20 03:45:45 2013 [10:39]
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-assbot- You voiced eizodo for 30 minutes. [10:46]
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punkman mircea_popescu: so who runs bitfinex now? [10:47]
mircea_popescu it's about as clear as mud. [10:47]
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BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Let's take this debate in chan [11:27]
BingoBoingo I'd really like those coins in the short term, but what does the Brock bet resolution imply in the long term [11:28]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: What is your first language? [11:28]
RagnarDanneskjol cpp [11:28]
RagnarDanneskjol English [11:28]
BingoBoingo So RagnarDanneskjol How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far? [11:29]
RagnarDanneskjol i know i lack the eloquence of some of the big brains in here, but didnt think my grammers were that bad [11:30]
RagnarDanneskjol please rephrase the question [11:30]
BingoBoingo lol, I'm drunk. How much of the conversation on this bet and the BTC Foundation's site thus far and their interaction have you read on? [11:31]
RagnarDanneskjol none prior to our conversation - last I read brock's name was the press releases in May indicating he was refusing resignation [11:32]
RagnarDanneskjol anytime i see btc foundation, the eyes gloss over [11:33]
BingoBoingo Well... time passes at the moment, key words seem to be resigned and director. MP has a strong position on the word director. [11:33]
RagnarDanneskjol Ahh, regarding the verbiage on the wager, i read "resigns" as the key determining factor [11:34]
BingoBoingo The thing is RagnarDanneskjol breaking the BTC foundation can probably pay more dividens than golang BTCD [11:34]
BingoBoingo Right, resigns can be determining. So can director as well. [11:34]
BingoBoingo Welcome to the origins of a cluster fuck. [11:35]
RagnarDanneskjol haha [11:35]
BingoBoingo Because several months ago the BTC foundation advertised a board of directors, while now... the advertise a board of members. [11:36]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Do you have a way to contact Brock for his input? [11:36]
RagnarDanneskjol right, it was a shrewd and tactful deciscion [11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol yes, I can visit the office anyday [11:37]
RagnarDanneskjol but he gives me the creeps [11:37]
punkman I thought Brock was the one that bet 10btc [11:37]
BingoBoingo But it doesn't appear to be shrewd [11:37]
BingoBoingo punkman: So did I. Still I want to contact him if I can. [11:37]
punkman BingoBoingo: it seems nobody put any real money down on yes, guessing clusterfuck was expected [11:38]
BingoBoingo punkman: I put about 0.1 on yes expecting a clusterfuck I could lose. [11:38]
punkman well as I see it, some people still have Director in their titles, Brock doesn't [11:39]
BingoBoingo One of the most amazing things about homo sapien biology is the separation of circulatory and lymphatic systems between the scrotum and testes [11:40]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [11:40]
cazalla the position that brock and bobby lee won were advertised as board members not directors [11:40]
cazalla having glossed over director/board member, i bet no as i thought brock the rock was a lock [11:42]
BingoBoingo cazalla: But if they were never directors Brock could also not resign from a directorship? [11:42]
BingoBoingo Brock is only a rock in the kiddie pool. [11:42]
cazalla rock spider [11:42]
BingoBoingo And I bet yes, because I thought the FBI was on our side instead of on my fucking doorstep. [11:43]
BingoBoingo The amount I put on yes was minimal compared to what that one nigger put on no. [11:43]
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cazalla wonder if it is brock [11:44]
BingoBoingo I seriously would love the yes returns on that bet, but hate the hate if yes was interpreted the yes way. [11:45]
BingoBoingo Kinda why I want brock in this chan yesterday. [11:45]
RagnarDanneskjol so he can confirm or deny resignation? [11:46]
RagnarDanneskjol I doubt he would confirm either way [11:47]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: So he can confirm or evade like a slimy chomo piece of shit. [11:47]
RagnarDanneskjol lol [11:47]
BingoBoingo [11:47]
assbot Brock Pierce (brockpierce) auf Twitter [11:47]
punkman [11:47]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation hit by resignations over new director| Reuters [11:47]
punkman they sure called him director a lot back then [11:47]
BingoBoingo punkman: But that was back then. [11:48]
punkman was there another "Executive Director" before matonis [11:48]
BingoBoingo The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter [11:48]
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cazalla he's still director according to this image [11:49]
assbot New at /hashtag/TechweekLA?src=hash! Co-CEO of /JustFabOnline /brockpierce (/BTCFoundation) /sonnyvu (/Misfit) [11:49]
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mircea_popescu The problem is the foundation is as solid as coco butter << quite. [11:50]
BingoBoingo [11:50]
assbot /brockpierce Are you familiar with IRC at all? Would you care to join the /hashtag/Bitcoin?src=hash-/Bitcoin_Assets channel for a bit of Q and A? [11:50]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what can the guy do, practically ? [11:50]
mircea_popescu take an oath ? [11:50]
cazalla perhaps it's brock that tells the journos that he's the director [11:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: He can answer. Maybe not well, but in the worst case he can repent [11:51]
BingoBoingo I mean what can Obama do? [11:51]
mircea_popescu im just saying, generally to find an individuals position with an organisation, you need anyone but him [11:52]
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punkman maybe ask Matonis then? [11:52]
mircea_popescu which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. [11:52]
mircea_popescu punkman is this the same matonis that got kicked out a while back and then went back in ? [11:53]
punkman no idea [11:53]
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BingoBoingo which is unclear who'd be. vesseneess is an asshole i wouldn't take the word of anyway, and nobody else is in charge there. << Prime case where I get 30x on my money but fear how the niggers spin it. [11:54]
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penguirker New blog post: [11:57]
punkman what if Brock never were a director, wouldn't that make for a badbet? [12:00]
punkman to resign from a position you must have held the position at some point [12:00]
punkman in one of the foundation's IRS forms for 2013, only Matonis is listed as Executive Director and some girl as Assistant Director [12:01]
BingoBoingo If he were never a director that would, I think resolve as a "no" [12:01]
cazalla that's what i said earlier punkman [12:02]
BingoBoingo As you have to be a diretor to resign from directorship. [12:02]
punkman and it doesn't seem that board members hold any directorial duties [12:02]
BingoBoingo This revision from director board to memberboard makes everything so messy though. [12:02]
BingoBoingo It is a serious fucking Hearnia [12:03]
BingoBoingo Iodine Wipes! [12:03]
BingoBoingo Scalpel! [12:03]
cazalla way back when also lists karpeles as board member not director [12:03]
punkman [12:04]
assbot The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo/ at master pmlaw/The-Bitcoin-Foundation-Legal-Repo GitHub [12:04]
BingoBoingo Not that blunt piece of shit cazalla, get me a fucking sharp #10! [12:04]
cazalla but when he resigned, the foundation said "Effective immediately, Mark Karpeles has submitted his resignation from the board of directors" [12:04]
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cazalla [12:05]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation: Blog [12:05]
punkman they call it a board of directors in their bylaws, which are supposed to be current [12:05]
BingoBoingo diana_coman Halp, what is Ingles? [12:05]
punkman fukken words [12:06]
punkman how do they even work [12:06]
BingoBoingo punkman: But are their bylaws current with their actual operations? Are the nigger actually picking cotton in the field? These are hard fucking problems man. [12:06]
cazalla that release constrasted with this [12:07]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation: About: Board Members [12:07]
RagnarDanneskjol "statements that can not univocally be established as either true or false at a certain point in the future are BadBets and as such unacceptable on BitBet. For instance, "God Exists" is unacceptable, because it can never be established as either true or false." [12:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00084455 = 21.9583 BTC [+] {2} [12:08]
punkman two days after Brock joined: [12:11]
assbot Bitcoin Foundation [12:12]
punkman so he's always been board member on the website [12:12]
BingoBoingo Is this a board of members or a board of directors? [12:14]
BingoBoingo Does anyone have some lithium citrate? [12:14]
RagnarDanneskjol board members [12:15]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: And that is in the middle of two options. [12:17]
BingoBoingo A board is nothing but what it can be composed of [12:17]
BingoBoingo Is this a director fiber or a member fiber? [12:18]
RagnarDanneskjol well, many boards have consultants, litigators, etc who participate as non-members [12:20]
BingoBoingo And on many they participate as members, but not directors [12:20]
RagnarDanneskjol right [12:20]
BingoBoingo The yes interpretations of the brock bet leave a lot of room for educating the niggerboard on meaning [12:21]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [ROCK] 4200 @ 0.00050276 = 2.1116 BTC [-] {15} [12:22]
penguirker New blog post: [12:22]
BingoBoingo The no interpretation seems to offer moar... something [12:22]
RagnarDanneskjol seems to me the wording for this wager could qualify under "Can bets be cancelled? ...material changes that make the bet meaningless" [12:23]
mircea_popescu except nothing apparently changed. [12:23]
BingoBoingo Nothing except the clarity of foundation slime. [12:24]
RagnarDanneskjol true - other than interpretations, prolly dosn't meet threshold for"material" changes, unless it does [12:24]
punkman BingoBoingo: the clarity wasn't there to begin with [12:25]
RagnarDanneskjol better yet "We do review comments made for cases where bets should indeed be cancelled..." [12:27]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19329999 = 0.5799 BTC [+] {2} [12:27]
BingoBoingo punkman: Sure it was, but when a frog gets ready to spawn... [12:27]
BingoBoingo I just can't believe I'm in a position to win stupid BTC on yes and still, at least in ernest (the victorian) arguing that I might be in line for nothing. [12:28]
BingoBoingo What has BTC done to people's morals but harden them! [12:29]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1999 = 0.5997 BTC [+] [12:30]
punkman coming from a place where director actually means something, I'd be more inclined to go with Yes [12:30]
BingoBoingo !b 1 [12:30]
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BingoBoingo Interesting [12:30]
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BingoBoingo I'm in the position of imagining it would be better to make a nice dry rub and drag the subject here by his loins. [12:31]
mircea_popescu i still don't see what i could contribute, were i in the guy;s shoes and some third parties having had a bet [12:32]
mircea_popescu i suppose i wouldn't be in his shoes in the first place,. not having a tendency to get involved with scummy shit. [12:32]
cazalla if his is the 10 btc bet, surely he'll come [12:32]
BingoBoingo Right [12:32]
BingoBoingo !b 4 [12:32]
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RagnarDanneskjol for bingo's sake, I hope you win, but seems far too much ambiguity in wording for any clear answer - with or without direct 'confirmations' from the source. [12:32]
BingoBoingo I dunno that I want to win this one. [12:33]
BingoBoingo And not just because the FBI knows my free'd name nao [12:33]
RagnarDanneskjol I'm sure you're gonna be fine either way bingo [12:34]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: Only if I know people who can pester over the matter of everything though. [12:36]
BingoBoingo If charges and remand mean an ankelbracelet and home instead of an ankel bracelet and the Darien gap... Anger! [12:37]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: If only you enumerated the ways I can't be fine. Spiders? not fine! Centipedes? not fine! [12:39]
BingoBoingo And there's more [12:39]
BingoBoingo x86 computers? not fine! [12:40]
RagnarDanneskjol Bingo, you may not feel fine, but you will BE fine [12:41]
RagnarDanneskjol perhaps more weed, less lithium+booze. [12:42]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: You may be using different definitions of "be" and "feel" in this context than I would. I mean I've enjoyed my least time in a locked ward. [12:43]
BingoBoingo And I know of no US programs that do lithium+booze. [12:43]
BingoBoingo Not that I like Lithium. It takes all of 3 days to make my flanks hurt like a whipped bitch. [12:44]
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RagnarDanneskjol ok, you seem rather well adjusted to me. maybe its everyone else who's crazy [12:45]
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BingoBoingo Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. [12:45]
RagnarDanneskjol sounds like a party [12:46]
BingoBoingo RagnarDanneskjol: The greatest asset in any situation is knowledge of how you react. [12:46]
BingoBoingo I'm curious how Magnus Carlsen reacts to Ferguson niggers. [12:47]
BingoBoingo I bet it is better than how he reats to Ferguson police though. [12:47]
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BingoBoingo !up jdanks [12:48]
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BingoBoingo Hello jdanks [12:48]
jdanks mornin' gents [12:48]
BingoBoingo Morning [12:48]
jdanks so I am now in the WoT (: I love the channel and blogs from y'all [12:48]
BingoBoingo jdank who +1'd you? [12:49]
BingoBoingo ;;gettrust jdanks [12:49]
gribble Currently authenticated from hostmask jdanks! Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user jdanks: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [12:49]
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jdanks already? [12:49]
RagnarDanneskjol he just set it up now [12:50]
jdanks nobody it appears like. I just joined this madness [12:50]
BingoBoingo jdanks: cool, one always has to begin with the probing though. [12:50]
jdanks I am to not be trusted. Rolled in here on my tumbleweed. We do have a surprising amount of those in LA [12:50]
BingoBoingo Probing hurts more later [12:51]
jdanks No but really I engineer, I'm an open book. Sell eggs for BTC. Garden and what not [12:51]
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BingoBoingo jdanks: What are you growing? My chile looks splendid this year, but it probably is within 48 hours of being a health hazard/ [12:52]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 17 @ 0.20882352 = 3.55 BTC [+] {2} [12:54]
jdanks My corn (white or blue or yellow) turned out small or with few kernels. It's been too hot. My Kale always loves the heat. Strawberries year round. I have loads of artichoke seeds. I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. [12:54]
RagnarDanneskjol ;;rate jdanks 2 is good people, quality eggs, also confirmed to be a living human being [12:55]
gribble Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user jdanks has been recorded. [12:55]
cazalla jdanks, what sorta chickens? [12:55]
jdanks I am trying not to kill the 2 year old fruit trees though. The annuals are going crazy. Thanks Ragnar! [12:55]
BingoBoingo I still have this 10 lb. beet in the fridge I grew that I needa juice with maybe some carrots and apple. << We get sweet potatoes like that [12:56]
jdanks cazalla I have 4 leghorns, 3 rhode island reds, a couple barred rocks, and 3 black hens that are either australorp, buff orphington, or jersey giant [12:56]
jdanks BoingoBoingo dude the only reason it isn't in the ground going to seed is because the danged ladies dug/scratched it up. [12:57]
cazalla barred rocks are the same as plymouths, right? [12:57]
jdanks Yes and Amrocks too I think. [12:57]
cazalla i had 3 sussex bantams and 3 plymouth bantams [12:58]
jdanks Bred for show vs. Egg laying in it's own breed/strain [12:58]
cazalla with spring here, i'm going to build a proper coop and run for some more once some pullets are available locally [12:59]
BingoBoingo jdanks: At this point I'm just fucking with you because I can't keep Tilapia alive [12:59]
jdanks (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha [12:59]
cazalla jdanks, yeah same, one of the sussex we had was so tame, the others would stay back but she'd come to the sliding door and peck it for food [12:59]
jdanks Those bantams are awesome. My faves are the barred rocks because they look like zebras [12:59]
jdanks lol Boingo that's sad. Don't those eat like..anything? [13:00]
jdanks cazalla when I'm outside having a cig they love jumping for it. Hell you can have anything in your hand and they will swarm you. [13:00]
BingoBoingo jdanks: Yes, tilapia are the worst in every sense. If you propose it to them as a food, they eat it. [13:01]
BingoBoingo Closest thing I can think of to Tilapia are Oscars, another African cichlid. [13:02]
jdanks I met this mechanical engineer once. He tells us his life story. After an hour he invites us into his house and backyard and he had this wonderful custom pool with crazy skulls in the cement. He was gonna farm Tilapia one season then I think crawfish the next and they would eat each others' poo or something. He had it all figured out lol [13:03]
chetty [13:03]
assbot Police chief kills boys pet chicken: Fowl were in violation of city ordinance | West Central Tribune [13:03]
jdanks Thank goodness we moved the hens to be in accordance with our city ordinance. And here in my city for some reason animal control gets to make up those laws, the laws/code says [13:04]
BingoBoingo Tilapia aren't shit eaters like goldfish, but they aren't picky either. [13:04]
BingoBoingo Crawfish are a huge pain though because they NEED moving water [13:05]
BingoBoingo Crawfish are just about the perfect intersection of nutritious and gullible though [13:06]
jdanks He was going to go fishing. Every. Day. [13:06]
jdanks Kinda admire his spirit. [13:06]
RagnarDanneskjol sounds like my kinda guy [13:07]
BingoBoingo jdanks RagnarDanneskjol: either of you ever go gar fishing? [13:07]
jdanks Apparently if you build it, you may also make them come. gar? [13:07]
jdanks I wanna go catch some baby tuna. We got an El Nino swell goin on [13:08]
BingoBoingo jdanks: Gar, older than dinosaurs. Tastier too. [13:08]
jdanks I assume they taste like ass as opposed to shit? [13:08]
RagnarDanneskjol I grew up on east coast -barrier island, caught plenty of those. scary suckers [13:08]
RagnarDanneskjol didnt think they edible [13:09]
BingoBoingo jdanks: Decent substitute in crabcakes for crab. Just clear divide between edible an inedible meat on gar [13:09]
mircea_popescu Still better than risperidone which makes me produce dairy like a moo cow while trembling liek micheal J fox. << wait you actually were speaking out of experience ?! [13:10]
BingoBoingo The good parts of gar taste divine. The bad parts don't taste like, but actually are poison. [13:10]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: On a spectrum. [13:11]
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BingoBoingo Swiftly asked for lithium instead [13:11]
mircea_popescu jdanks> (: I love chickens, they are pretty hilarious to watch sometimes. They do create drama for themselves haha << now this is true. [13:12]
mircea_popescu which is how young women ended up being called chicks. [13:12]
BingoBoingo !b 5 [13:12]
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jdanks Can't seem to find the vid [13:15]
BingoBoingo jdanks: Maybe you ask the wrong question? [13:16]
jdanks This one will suffice [13:16]
assbot The View Chicken Show - YouTube [13:16]
jdanks Oh boy I'm tired. postin useless vids. To bed! [13:17]
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BingoBoingo And this is the reason I trust the Jer0d Poore guy [13:18]
punkman mhmm I want to smoke some fish now, you guys are making me hungry [13:19]
BingoBoingo " Posted Today, 01:21 AM [13:20]
BingoBoingo I gave up on that, but thanks. It would be like trying to document the goings on of the NSA. [13:20]
BingoBoingo There is 3 dimensional chess occuring in Europe right now between Western Europe, Putin and the relative absence of the US. Pretty much everyone is pissed at / keeping an eye on Americans who are career US gvt. (Never fear - we were military and are now Contractors - no 3 letter agencies here...). [13:20]
BingoBoingo The difficulty is, if you've lived this life (and not been a stupid git going la la la in a bubble) for a long time, you learn to do certain things on auto pilot that, to someone looking for a "suspicious person" may ring bells. e.g. Take different routes, stay very aware of surroundings and people, avoid cameras (who the hell wants to be on the internet besides Jerod?), and for God's sake, sit facing the door of the restaurant! [13:20]
BingoBoingo These things were common place for military people during the Cold War and then people just kind of... forgot. Well, welcome to the new world order: it's the same as the old one, it never went away - people just stopped paying attention. Some people, anyway. [13:20]
BingoBoingo Life is remarkably similar to old Robert Ludlum novels. Unfortunately. [13:20]
BingoBoingo D [13:20]
BingoBoingo " -- another paranoid forumer [13:20]
punkman I'm thinking doradas and citrus wood [13:21]
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BingoBoingo I'm thinking ben_vulpes is confused screaming I wought to leave while seeing no reason to expatriate himself [13:22]
chetty I wonder what % of people who notice the on coming train and thing, hey I should get out of the way actually do? [13:28]
mircea_popescu that guy is a spook if there ever was one. [13:28]
chetty Probably not many if it involves moving their stuff [13:28]
BingoBoingo The -D who signed that text wall is an expatirated 'Murcan in Prussia is I recall correctly [13:29]
mircea_popescu i hear a quite distinct fear in the voice of these people. [13:30]
mircea_popescu a new found fear. [13:30]
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mircea_popescu in other news, [13:39]
* RagnarDanneskjol zooms in, wonders if thats bleached or just saliva [13:42]
* BingoBoingo wonders how Discus fish got to be a pool name sake [13:42]
mircea_popescu saliva. [13:42]
BingoBoingo few creatures in nature are more fragile [13:42]
mircea_popescu she's displaying perfect technique there too, that's how you take these shots : with the tosser's tongue on the outer rim, obscuring all that perianal melanin. [13:44]
cazalla what's with the sore across from clit and down a bit? [13:46]
RagnarDanneskjol oh yea -good eyes [13:46]
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assbot I Need To Pick Your Brains... Neurotransmitter Questions - Know Your Neurotransmitters - Crazy Talk: The Crazymeds Forum [13:54]
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assbot Forcing specification through mutually disjunct implementations is the best we get. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets [13:58]
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Azelphur kakobrekla / any other op, moriarty is back to his old pm spamming antics in here. [14:12]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: Demon, summon the spamming demon! [14:13]
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Azelphur and after saying ^, he's CTCP spamming me :P [14:13]
BingoBoingo moriarty do you read this plaintext? [14:13]
BingoBoingo Manifest yourself moriarty in this IRC chan, or choke on your text for 7 or 8 eternities [14:14]
BingoBoingo I'm not that picky [14:14]
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BingoBoingo Hello bitstein [14:19]
bitstein Hey BingoBoingo [14:19]
BingoBoingo Long time no see [14:20]
bitstein ha, yea. i have a lot of logs to catch up on. [14:20]
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BingoBoingo bitstein: Indeed you do, but so does Pierre [14:22]
BingoBoingo I mean bitstein people here are making bold claims; AND you may be lost on the evidence [14:23]
assbot The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog [14:23]
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BingoBoingo bitstein: I dunno if you've realized yet, but as the S* N* Institute you need to take bold jumps [14:26]
bitstein such as? [14:26]
BingoBoingo bitstein: Such as declaring limits to systemd's progress in the linuxscape [14:28]
BingoBoingo You've got a good thing, your master gave it a good name. [14:29]
BingoBoingo Don't fight it [14:29]
BingoBoingo Kunta, if you aren't going to contest Toby as your new name you might as well just pick nubbins' cotton so he can focus on interesting t-shirts [14:32]
BingoBoingo A Proud stand [14:34]
assbot /evilgjb as of last week ALL processes have ppid==1 to bring the /hashtag/systemd?src=hash experience to /hashtag/FreeBSD?src=hash [14:34]
bitstein “Hearnia” made me lol [14:34]
BingoBoingo @karinjiri Fuck you in your asshole. Runlevel 4 or die motherfucker. Eat my shit you cock sucking shitmonger. @mwlauthor @evilgjb [14:34]
BingoBoingo Hearnia is true [14:34]
BingoBoingo bitstein: Have you ever dealt with a truely grave pelvic injury? [14:35]
bitstein nope [14:35]
BingoBoingo Hearnia just opens the story [14:36]
BingoBoingo bitstein: Did you also see the thing where the FBI showed up on my front door? [14:36]
bitstein No, I have been out of the loop for the past month. That’s crazy. What happened? [14:37]
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pankkake that systemd article is ridiculous… [14:39]
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BingoBoingo bitstein: happened for starters [14:40]
assbot A Law Enforcement Encounter: If you ran a Bitcoin related service before the thing hit $100 you prolly ought to be somewhat concerned and/or prepared | Bingo Blog [14:40]
BingoBoingo pankkake: systemd is the devil [14:40]
BingoBoingo And not the good devil like I lovingly worship [14:40]
pankkake care to formulate an actual technical critic? other than the usual uninformed bullshit [14:40]
BingoBoingo pankkake: I like having metric fucktons of knobs to turn on the way to runlevel 4. Systemd precludes that. [14:41]
pankkake I can't wait until Debian finally trashes its init system. the thing can't even tell you reliably if a daemon is running [14:42]
BingoBoingo .'. Systemd is worse than the cotton gin [14:42]
pankkake yeah, the usual bullshit [14:42]
pankkake have you actually tried to use it? [14:42]
BingoBoingo It shouldn't reliable be able to tell you so [14:42]
pankkake lol [14:42]
BingoBoingo It SHOULD be mystery meat [14:42]
BingoBoingo A/UX worked, Solaris up to version 8 worked, FUCK DEBIAN! [14:43]
pankkake so that's basically hipsterism [14:43]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: No, I am the fucking Pat Buchanan of computing. [14:44]
BingoBoingo I'm fucking paleo. [14:45]
chetty never update until the update has been out in wide use for at least a year [14:45]
pankkake wake me up if you ever have a technical argument, and actually used the thing. I have written enough init scripts to know what's what [14:45]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: So what makes AIX the shit while IRIX sucks shit? [14:46]
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BingoBoingo These are primordial questions, born of the mud [14:46]
BingoBoingo sanity comes later, wrestle with some elder gods [14:47]
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mircea_popescu “Hearnia” made me lol << me too, actually. [14:48]
assbot boycott systemd [14:48]
punkman how about those [14:48]
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mircea_popescu soo... canonical is spawning a whole new windnux ? [14:50]
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pankkake punkman: yeah, they're retards [14:50]
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mircea_popescu "We do recognize the need for a new init system in the 21st century, but systemd is not it." [14:51]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: systemd-ism explains the nigbuntu suck [14:51]
mircea_popescu i musta missed that memo. what's so special about this 21st century that it can't eat the same oatmeal all the other 58 coming before it did ? [14:51]
mircea_popescu "1. systemd flies in the face of the Unix philosophy: "do one thing and do it well," representing a complex collection of dozens of tightly coupled binaries1. Its responsibilities grossly exceed that of an init system, as it goes on to handle power management, device management, mount points, cron, disk encryption, socket API/inetd, syslog, network configuration, login/session management, readahead, GPT partition disco [14:53]
mircea_popescu very, container registration, hostname/locale/time management, and other things." [14:53]
mircea_popescu ahahhaha. [14:53]
mircea_popescu no prng ? but why not :D [14:53]
pankkake except the distros init systems actually do that [14:53]
pankkake so, retards with no idea what they are talking about [14:54]
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pankkake again, come back when you have used the things, and tried to do basic sysadmin stuff with those [14:54]
mircea_popescu systemd's journal files (handled by journald) are stored in a complicated binary format2, and must be queried using journalctl. This makes journal logs potentially corruptible, as they do not have ACID-compliant transactions. You typically don't want that to happen to your syslogs. The advice of the systemd developers? Ignore it. No, seriously. Oh, and there's embedded HTTP server integration (libmicrohttpd). QR codes [14:55]
mircea_popescu are served, as well, through libqrencode. [14:55]
mircea_popescu libmircohttpd ? srsly ? [14:55]
mircea_popescu By default, systemd saves core dumps to the journal, instead of the file system. Core dumps must be explicitly queried using coredumpctl4. Besides going against all reason, it also creates complications in multi-user environments (good luck running gdb on your program's core dump if it's dumped to the journal and you don't have root access) [14:57]
mircea_popescu ahahaha who the fuck designed this [14:57]
pankkake have you actually checked the validity of this list? [14:58]
mircea_popescu i mean sure, the "journal gets corrupted, fuck you, we're not fixing it" i can see. but then... dump all cores into it ? [14:58]
mircea_popescu pankkake i have nfi, this is my checking process. does it suck ? [14:58]
pankkake yeah, I don't know why I bother... [14:59]
BingoBoingo pankkake: I still like Solaris 8 [14:59]
pankkake there's "like" and "I have to actually do things with it" [14:59]
pankkake seriously, is this a joke? [14:59]
mircea_popescu pankkake which part ? [15:00]
pankkake the part of jumping of the "systemd is bad" bandwagon without any knowledge whatsoever [15:00]
BingoBoingo pankkake: this is *nix world, everything works! [15:00]
pankkake ... [15:00]
punkman pankkake: well I have no clue, but is it that systemd is not retarded, or that the alternatives suck [15:00]
mircea_popescu "It's also worth noting that systemd will refuse to start as a user instance, unless the system boots with it as well" [15:01]
mircea_popescu herp. [15:01]
mircea_popescu pankkake so far i see some glaringly bad design decisions (core in journal, srsly ?) and some meat to the "they're trying to hijack linux" allegations. (srsly, this shit is too good to run as a user instance ?) [15:01]
mircea_popescu i don't particularly give a shit anyway, not like i;ve been seriously contemplating running contemporary distros anywhere anyway. [15:02]
mircea_popescu "systemd clusters itself into PID 1. Due to it controlling lots of different components, this means that there are tons of scenarios in which it can crash and bring down the whole system. But in addition, this means that plenty of non-kernel system upgrades will now require a reboot." [15:02]
mircea_popescu how about that one roflmao. [15:02]
mircea_popescu srsly, it does all that AND it does it all as a single pid, AND it fixes which pid ? help me rwanda, what is this, microshit's fired a lot of "engineers" ? [15:03]
chetty sounds like windows [15:03]
pankkake init systems are PID 1... [15:03]
pankkake fucking fuck [15:03]
pankkake what am I even doing here? [15:03]
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BingoBoingo !b 9 [15:04]
mircea_popescu o.O [15:04]
assbot Last 9 lines bashed and pending review. ( ) [15:04]
mircea_popescu dude, init systems that hijack the core dumping process, control the power settings and disk fucking encryption all together aren't "init systems" in the vein of what you're thinking of. [15:04]
mircea_popescu and why's he so touchy anyway. [15:05]
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mircea_popescu "11. Ultimately, systemd's parasitism is symbolic of something more than systemd itself. It shows a radical shift in thinking by the Linux community. Not necessarily a positive one, either. One that is vehemently postmodern, monolithic, heavily desktop-oriented, choice-limiting, isolationist, reinvents the flat tire, and just a huge anti-pattern in general. If your goal is to pander to the lowest common denominator, so [15:06]
mircea_popescu be it. We will look for alternatives, however." << there's definitely some substance to that. [15:06]
punkman [15:07]
assbot Torvalds rails at Linux developer: 'I'm f*cking tired of your code' The Register [15:07]
mircea_popescu what again ? [15:07]
mircea_popescu no, that's the same april thing. ok os ? [15:07]
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mircea_popescu << not even ubuntu uses it o.O [15:09]
assbot systemd - Ubuntu Wiki [15:09]
punkman not yet at least [15:10]
mircea_popescu well ubuntu is imo the drain of the linux world. all shit will eventually end up in there, [15:10]
mircea_popescu "It's really sad that things like this get elevated to this kind of situation, and I personally find it annoying that it's always the same f*cking prima donna involved," Torvalds wrote. [15:11]
mircea_popescu apparently systemd devs have all the love and support they could use lol. [15:11]
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mircea_popescu ;;later tell pankkake srsly, the odds of me coming to an opinion contrary of torvalds' on topix of linuxness are maybe null. wtf. [15:12]
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pankkake ubuntu doesn't use systemd because it's shit [15:13]
pankkake nor is torvalds against systemd [15:13]
pankkake and init systems DO handle encryption, network setup [15:14]
pankkake it's a bunch of shell scripts that do just that [15:14]
mircea_popescu well yes, but these seem a bunch of binaries instead ? [15:14]
pankkake yes, and? [15:14]
pankkake I'm sick and tired of talking in riddles [15:15]
mircea_popescu if i don't like what a script does, i edit it. if i don't like what a binary does, i ... ? [15:15]
pankkake you edit your init system really? [15:15]
mircea_popescu i edit everything. i actually learned to program by randomly poking and peeking in the z80 memory. [15:16]
mircea_popescu but anyway, systemd is what, the pulseaudio guy and this guy, right ? [15:17]
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mircea_popescu anyway, the whole dram seems to me ts'o and mebbe torvalds hating on sievers and maybe poettering. [15:17]
mircea_popescu is there more than meets the eye ? [15:18]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i understand, the chinese 'wot' is their... genealogical tree. and i'm not certain that they'd see out wot as other than noise even were they to get out of that stage. (and why ought they) <<< this seems akin to saying poles are stupid, to me. [15:23]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Then why did the smart poles get that radiation poisoning [15:23]
mircea_popescu which ? [15:23]
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mircea_popescu X-Rob: I consider myself vindicated << lol didn't even take that much! [15:24]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo: !up tatinportland << i read this as "tart in poland" first. [15:25]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: The curies were poles weren't they. Also the poles are pretty much all of the pale left in Chiraq [15:25]
mircea_popescu well... they were "french" [15:26]
BingoBoingo Not pankkake french [15:28]
BingoBoingo Or like systemd radiation would have been still moar trendy [15:28]
BingoBoingo What I am seriously curious about is why does no other person in BTC have a cool story to tell about their FBI encounter? [15:33]
BingoBoingo Are Charlie and Erik that afraid? [15:33]
mircea_popescu what'd you have them say ? [15:34]
BingoBoingo Or do I price my liberty too cheaply? Or do I overestimate my oratory skill too much? [15:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just, Hey dudes, FBI showed up. [15:34]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Just an acknowledgement of an encounter. [15:35]
mircea_popescu im pretty sure there were pix of shrem's encounter(s) [15:35]
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BingoBoingo At the airport when he was getting cuffed maybe, or are you refering to the bong thing I own none of. [15:36]
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BingoBoingo Agent Broachwala, you may find this weird, but I'll stand by longer than I'll stand by most of my baseball blog posts [15:39]
assbot The Systemd war is over | Bingo Blog [15:39]
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mircea_popescu o look, there's an entire systemd discussion in teh log. [15:40]
BingoBoingo Indeed there is [15:41]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform: there is a concerted effort to replace certain things with... various other things. <<< obligatory [15:41]
assbot Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other Things - YouTube [15:41]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: You know what works with systemV init? A/UX [15:44]
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BingoBoingo So I joined random channel suggested by a spammer banned before I could post there but conversation with another person there: [15:47]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo> I'm from southern Illinois. [15:47]
BingoBoingo :) [15:47]
BingoBoingo what have new in Ilinois? [15:47]
BingoBoingo Oh, I'm trying to move further south in the state, but if I can't find a uni job I might go expatriate first [15:47]
BingoBoingo Also Chicag still sounds worse than Iraq [15:47]
BingoBoingo And now Ferguson on the other side of te river seems almost as bad as Chiraq [15:47]
BingoBoingo what is happening in Chichago? [15:47]
BingoBoingo Oh just niggers shooting each other, the usual [15:47]
BingoBoingo huh... [15:47]
BingoBoingo Seriously, it's why I like living south of I-70, put some distance between myself and that. [15:47]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you know last time someone did this they ended up having to put coinz in the hat. [15:49]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Don't worry, I already mentioned the Federal task force looking over my plaintext shoulder in pm. [15:50]
mircea_popescu i mean failing to use a pastebin, [15:51]
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assbot /mwlauthor You wrote the openbsd book, mind joining /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash-assets for a bit on freenode? [15:52]
BingoBoingo Ah [15:52]
mircea_popescu decimation: after all, wouldn't you like to tie your boot process with opaque silicon? << you, of course not. the silicon marketeers, of course yes. the great tablet experiment has everyone salivating. [15:52]
mircea_popescu i blame the dumbass us consumers, but hey, what difference does it make. [15:53]
BingoBoingo I'll search for the hat when I sober up. Just juggling a bunch of foreigners atm [15:53]
chetty there are dumbass consumers everywhere, unfortunately not limited to us [15:54]
mircea_popescu yeah, but most of them are fortunate enough to be poor, and lucky enough to live in countries that aren't built like the inside of a cattle ranch. [15:55]
mircea_popescu these two may be related. [15:55]
* BingoBoingo awaits the Trilema post analysing angry birds, which to my knowledge is still the canonical touch screen game [15:58]
mircea_popescu kinda unlikely. [15:59]
BingoBoingo I thought you spent the last month finger fucking the shit out of i* games [16:00]
mircea_popescu sure, but not shitty ones. [16:01]
mircea_popescu "From the start, my revelations on this blog about Red Hat’s deep control of Linux, along with their large corporate/government connections, hasn’t been just about spying, but about losing the distributed engineering quality of Linux, with Red Hat centralizing control. Yet as an ex-cypherpunk and crypto software developer, as soon as I started using Linux years ago, I noted that all the major distributions used wat [16:01]
mircea_popescu ered-down encryption (to use stronger encryption in many areas, such as AES-loop, you needed to compile your own kernel and go to great lengths to manually bypass barriers they put in place to the use of genuinely strong encryption). This told me then that those who controlled distributions were deeply in the pockets of intelligence networks. So it comes as no surprise to me that they jumped on board systemd when told [16:01]
mircea_popescu to, despite the mock choice publicized to users – there was never any option." [16:01]
mircea_popescu << check out angry guy. [16:01]
assbot Julian Assange: Debian Is Owned By The NSA « IgnorantGuru's Blog [16:01]
mircea_popescu stuff like that'd be so much better explicitly stated... [16:01]
BingoBoingo True [16:04]
BingoBoingo I'm just amazed I've spent ~12 hours now at just the right BAC to pontificate on *nix'y things [16:05]
Azelphur so, I had a fun week o/ [16:05]
BingoBoingo Including the part where 68040's were not Mac's [16:05]
BingoBoingo Hey Azelphur [16:05]
mircea_popescu "As for the algorithms themselves, the math, many like DSA are actually overtly designed by the NSA, so you can be sure they know how to break them, or they wouldn’t offer them. Others are probably expensive but crackable in high-interest cases (we’re talking quantum computers at their disposal). For anything super-critical I think a one-time pad is the only guarantee, and make sure your RNG works!" [16:05]
mircea_popescu nutcase. [16:05]
Azelphur tried ownCloud, added some missing features, their team are all like "Oh, we'll pay for your costs to go to Berlin and come to our conference" [16:06]
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mircea_popescu nice. [16:06]
Azelphur was awesome :P [16:06]
Azelphur so apparently I'm like, the posterchild for ownCloud now [16:06]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: Owncloud seems like a iCloud/Dropbox marketing stunt [16:06]
BingoBoingo And why am I not invited to this shit. [16:07]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: it's nothing to do with them beyond that it's similar [16:07]
Azelphur the easiest way to describe it is open source self hosted Dropbox/iCloud [16:07]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: No it has everything to do with them because owncloud sucks [16:07]
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Azelphur BingoBoingo: I'm having no problems with it ;) [16:07]
BingoBoingo Owncloud is missing everything people like about the big names [16:08]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: like what? I'm implementing missing things. [16:08]
BingoBoingo even though actual solutions have existed for a long time [16:08]
mircea_popescu "Anything ECC is currently highly suspicious, not in the least because the math is complex." <<< ah i'm so flattered. so a year or two ago, schneier and the "consensus" i nthe community was that rsa bad, ecc good ; mp was exactly on the other position. [16:08]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: What about owncloud calendar? [16:08]
mircea_popescu nowadays it's just about to tip over into sanity. well done scheneir, you win a trip to suck my cock :D [16:08]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: it has one, uses CalDAV so will integrate with anything else you have, the Calendar rewrite is also nearly finished with a bunch of new features. [16:09]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo why such a hater! [16:09]
Azelphur haters gonna hate :P [16:09]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: Does it work with real Mac OS calendar? [16:09]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: I believe so, yes. [16:09]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Because hate makes me feel alive [16:10]
Azelphur it all talks CalDAV afaik, but I wouldn't be caught dead on a Mac so... [16:10]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: Are ypou familiar with my definition of real Mac OS and the machines I still connect to the internet with it? [16:10]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: no [16:10]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: CalDAV is an open specification that has been around for ages, if your application doesn't support it it's your application that sucks and not ownCloud [16:11]
BingoBoingo OS 7.5.1 is the end of the line [16:11]
Azelphur :P [16:11]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: I can't help it if computers have onky gone downhill since 1991 [16:11]
Azelphur lol [16:11]
BingoBoingo I mean software's gotten better. [16:12]
Azelphur well caldav was only drafted in 2007, so I guess you're out of luck ;) [16:12]
BingoBoingo You can run XFCE 4.10 on a motorola 68030... [16:12]
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Azelphur BingoBoingo: I can run XFCE on my phone too :P [16:13]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: I bet your phone has more than two colors though [16:14]
Azelphur indeed it does [16:14]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: You realize this highlights a prime problem wrought by the nternet, right? [16:14]
Azelphur orly [16:15]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: I have a friend you'd like, he still has a 486 :P [16:15]
BingoBoingo Ya rly [16:15]
BingoBoingo 486 is too new [16:15]
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BingoBoingo If that had cred I'd be rolling a 68060 [16:16]
BingoBoingo CISC hit a dead end at the 68030 though [16:16]
Azelphur lol [16:17]
BingoBoingo What the internet means though is that some nigga's Mac SE/30 is just as much a first class citizen as sum bitches Samsung galaxy s8 [16:17]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell mike_c that's splendid. [16:18]
gribble The operation succeeded. [16:18]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: HTC Xperia Optimus XT? [16:19]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: Dunno the name, but ur mom's prolly older than it. [16:19]
Azelphur lol [16:19]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: You just met me, you barely know what hardware I like. How can you presume to make a "cloud" I'd like? [16:21]
BingoBoingo I mean you can't do worse than Apple at least [16:22]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: I don't believe I did :) [16:22]
mircea_popescu Azelphur so are you getting stock options ? [16:23]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: I haven't really touched investments beyond sitting on bitcoin for a while now [16:23]
BingoBoingo Azelphur: You mentioned the friend with a 486, if you've ever used a TI-89 you can convert him to saner options [16:23]
Azelphur I'm bad at it, remember? :P [16:23]
mircea_popescu nono, i mean, you going to work for this owncloud thing [16:23]
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Azelphur mircea_popescu: oh, no, the tl;dr is that dropbox was annoying me so I switched to ownCloud, which annoyed me because it didn't have file browser integration, so I wrote it [16:24]
mircea_popescu and they got really excited with you, and paid for your trip over [16:24]
Azelphur exactly [16:24]
mircea_popescu you left unemployed ?! [16:24]
Azelphur yep :< [16:24]
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mircea_popescu nuts. [16:25]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: can't impress these people, learn C++ and port my shit from Python in 2 days... [16:25]
Azelphur xD [16:25]
mircea_popescu this is why they want to hire you, logically. [16:25]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: that said I've got a job offer now anyway from elsewhere, it's not the greatest but it'll do for now [16:26]
mircea_popescu think for a second. it's a business, right ? it pays for your ticket to come over, that's a job interview. [16:26]
mircea_popescu what else. [16:26]
BingoBoingo If only in 2010 MP would have beat me with the truth that no one hires librarians. [16:26]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo you coulda asked :D [16:26]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P [16:27]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: When MpU is a thing, I'll keep your books from rotting [16:27]
Azelphur I even solved the problems for other people who were using languages I didn't know on Platforms I hadn't used before [16:27]
mircea_popescu Azelphur have you tried asking them if they're gonna give you stock options ? :D [16:27]
Azelphur haha [16:27]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: I did say I would love a job at ownCloud quite clearly, I think they aren't looking to hire people tbh :) [16:27]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo i guess you never read [16:27]
mircea_popescu ;;google trilema cartile au murit [16:27]
gribble Iulie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: ; “Universalism: postwar progressivism as a Christian sect” pe Trilema ...: ; August 2012 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: [16:27]
Azelphur and just wanted me there because the stuff I was doing is cool, which is fine with me [16:28]
mircea_popescu whole world is upside down i tell you. [16:28]
mircea_popescu but who knows, maybe you';re right. [16:28]
Azelphur mircea_popescu: yea, I got this offer from ionCube anyway that I'm probably gonna take [16:28]
mircea_popescu is tha the php encoding stuff ? [16:29]
Azelphur yep [16:29]
Azelphur pay isn't too great but at least it's a start :) [16:29]
Azelphur tbh all I really want from a job is enough to put a small amount away into BTC every month, then I can retire before too long :P [16:30]
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mircea_popescu :p [16:30]
pankkake owncloud competitor [16:30]
assbot Cozy, a personal cloud you can hack, host and delete [16:30]
RagnarDanneskjol Azelphur - is this you? [16:31]
assbot Azelphur (Azelphur) GitHub [16:31]
Azelphur pankkake: yea, there are a few [16:31]
Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: yup [16:31]
RagnarDanneskjol I follow your stuff & know some ppl might want to hire you. will email later today or tomorrow [16:31]
RagnarDanneskjol no reason to take less pay than you're worth [16:32]
Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: oh cool, the window is pretty small considering I'm supposed to be starting at IonCube on Monday [16:32]
mircea_popescu RagnarDanneskjol that's an underutilized resource if there was one. the kid is bright. [16:32]
Azelphur although contracts aren't signed yet [16:32]
RagnarDanneskjol oh we;; that is small -when do you need to accept by? [16:32]
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Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: I dunno, HR hasn't contacted me yet [16:33]
Azelphur I grumbled at them about the contract because it's a "We own your soul" level evil [16:33]
Azelphur but we resolved that to some degree [16:33]
RagnarDanneskjol hold them off for a few days if possible. are you working onsite or is it remote? [16:33]
Azelphur onsite but their office is only like 30m public transport from me [16:33]
Azelphur RagnarDanneskjol: my problem is that I have /no/ corporate experience or qualifications, I'm just smart. xD [16:34]
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RagnarDanneskjol ok. might have some descent remote work you can do from home. I'll get back to you latr today [16:34]
Azelphur ok :) [16:34]
mircea_popescu pankkake you gonna tell me what the systemd butthurt was all about or just gonna rage silently and then come stab me 119 times in the middle of the night FOR NO FAULT OF MY OWN ? [16:35]
Azelphur I'd bet on the latter [16:36]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: That's an awfully chewy Trilema article [16:36]
mircea_popescu "trilema. chewing gum for your soul." [16:36]
pankkake just list a valid technical point of why systemd is bad and I'll listen. as I said, the criticism I see just show lack of knowledge of both systemd and existing init systems [16:36]
kakobrekla mircea_popescu: well if it was a job interview, I solved every single problem, including a pile of everybody elses, turned up at 9am in the morning and left at 8pm every day for a week, I don't think I could have been more perfect if I tried :P < yeah sometime being a jerk hels you not get stuff. [16:37]
mircea_popescu putting a bunch of binaries with a bunch of dependency hell in the core of the system init process isn't technical ? [16:37]
kakobrekla helps [16:37]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: This talk of sweatship printing as a necessity, yes if everything is old trilems! [16:37]
pankkake you're doing it again [16:37]
Azelphur kakobrekla: admittedly I've always had trouble walking the trying to help / being a jerk line, in my head I'm always trying to help, but sometimes people don't see it that way. [16:38]
Azelphur but then, those are usually the type of people who are overly sensitive anyway [16:38]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo the mps of 2010 wave at you, oh their unknown interlocutor from across the seas. [16:38]
mircea_popescu pankkake what am i doing!11 eleventeen [16:39]
kakobrekla if you are sheep, act as the master wants. [16:39]
pankkake existing init systems are complicated too [16:39]
Azelphur kakobrekla: I ain't no sheep :) [16:39]
kakobrekla why you looking to get cut then [16:39]
mircea_popescu pankkake you know i don't got a call on the topic. so they're complicated, yes. no argument there. [16:39]
Azelphur kakobrekla: because I need food? :P [16:39]
mircea_popescu kakobrekla do you mean sheared ? [16:40]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: And the mp's of yesteryear exalt blogs so much! [16:40]
kakobrekla sheep it is. [16:40]
Azelphur lol [16:40]
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kakobrekla dude im trolling from my bed, give me some slack [16:40]
mircea_popescu would you like schlitz on your slacks ? [16:40]
kakobrekla double. [16:40]
mircea_popescu btw, anyone seen these wonderful girl pants with a proper zipper ? going from the front all around to two inches over her tailbone ? [16:41]
chetty ouch [16:41]
mircea_popescu chetty apparently you zip it with your left hand in cupping your bits lol [16:41]
BingoBoingo I'm drinking a bottle of Missouri wine, of course I would rahter suck shclitz out of denim [16:42]
chetty not just zipping, walk around even would be not nice [16:42]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Init must always be complicated, no reason to steal its knobs [16:42]
pankkake what does that even mean? [16:43]
mircea_popescu pankkake complicated/simple is orthogonal to scripted/binary. [16:43]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Because the Linux standard base lets me use a runlevel 4, systemd doesn't allow that [16:43]
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mircea_popescu if the computer is the shirt, and initd is a tie and systemd is a bowtie, me saying that it's not as easy to hang someone by his bowtie is not answered by your proposition that ties can get stained too. sure, they can, but we were discussing hanging not disembowelment. [16:45]
pankkake I use OpenRC which have namespaces and binaries, is that evil too? [16:45]
pankkake nevermind that's it's widely more usable [16:45]
pankkake it must NEVER CHANGE [16:46]
pankkake I suppose you guys are using HAL too [16:46]
BingoBoingo OpenRC is like initd [16:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake but listen, openrc isn't trying to take over my computer. [16:46]
pankkake what does that even mean? [16:46]
BingoBoingo Bowties are fine [16:46]
pankkake fucking riddles [16:46]
BingoBoingo Pianowire if you tell me it is a bowtie is not fine [16:46]
mircea_popescu what do you mean riddles! [16:47]
BingoBoingo Is the melodic theme from the Godfather a riddle, I'm drunk enough to think I can play that on my euphonium [16:49]
mircea_popescu pankkake and in spite of the technical angle, what stinks to high heavens to me is the political angle. so gnome decides to not be dependent on systemd in 2012, then in 2013 they make it a de-facto dependency. because... heh. because why ? [16:51]
mircea_popescu it's clearly being pushed, and that will make people with a working head suspicious these days. [16:52]
BingoBoingo [16:52]
assbot In supersecret cyberwar game, civilian-sector techies pummel active-duty cyberwarriors | Army Times | [16:52]
BingoBoingo There are reasons when people persent to me that they use or recommend gnome I suppose they are surrounde with the tools of 2003 [16:53]
mircea_popescu "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. [16:56]
mircea_popescu Yes, systemd is fast (A pretty complete userspace boot-up in ~900ms, anyone?) << yeah ? since I dunno, 1995 ? i've always took the system apart if it needed more than a second. [16:57]
mircea_popescu it's what it gets to boot. a second. [16:57]
BingoBoingo "we designed systemd with security in mind" << by now this is pretty much usable as-is, might as well be a protein binding site for pathogens. << Why not a still moar precarious binging site for understood drugs? [16:58]
mircea_popescu cuz it's evil, that's why. [16:59]
mircea_popescu "systemd certainly comes with a learning curve. Everything does. However, we like to believe that it is actually simpler to understand systemd than a Shell-based boot for most people. Surprised we say that? Well, as it turns out, Shell is not a pretty language to learn, it's syntax is arcane and complex. systemd unit files are substantially easier to understand, they do not expose a programming language, but are simple [16:59]
mircea_popescu and declarative by nature. That all said, if you are experienced in shell, then yes, adopting systemd will take a bit of learning." [16:59]
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mircea_popescu no see... he's making all the wrong arguments. [16:59]
Luke-Jr even I think systemd is crap [17:00]
mircea_popescu lmao [17:00]
BingoBoingo Take GABA A as an example, very well understood [17:00]
Azelphur Everyone is talking about systemd, and I'm just sitting here using runit which nobody knows about. [17:00]
Azelphur xD [17:00]
mircea_popescu but srsly, it's easier to understand "For most people" ? like easier than what, like easier than it was for that stupid broad whatever her name was to understand that claiming "fake" on a bunch of pics showing her dressed with her tongue sticking out ain't gonna work ? [17:01]
BingoBoingo A large number of drugs specifically target GABA A [17:01]
pankkake he actually refered to what it was easier to learn [17:01]
BingoBoingo And no drug that specifically targets GABA A can efficiently cause death in an overdose [17:02]
pankkake I have written inits for systemd, debian, and openrc. have you? [17:02]
mircea_popescu only debian. [17:02]
mircea_popescu and taking a charitable view of "written" [17:03]
BingoBoingo Introduce something other than a benzodiazepine though... [17:03]
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BingoBoingo And then a single molecule of ETOH opens the cholirde channel too wide, death. [17:04]
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BingoBoingo yw [17:05]
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mircea_popescu << nah, he's not even being honest. [17:07]
assbot The Biggest Myths [17:07]
mircea_popescu i mean, he defends against "monolithic" on the grounds of the binary file being split into 69 separate bits. mkay. [17:07]
BingoBoingo I mean people here get into pissing matches on hardware, who has really check out their wetware? [17:07]
mircea_popescu then he answers complexity and bloat by claiming... it's monolithic. [17:07]
mircea_popescu tyvm but i don't enjoy listening to liars that are THAT BAD at it. [17:07]
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BingoBoingo Look, the way Bitcoin regulation works is my TI-89 was my favorite computer loving ass said the systemd war is over and initd won. Give it time to stew, but that's the fina word. [17:12]
BingoBoingo *final [17:12]
BingoBoingo Now if GNU Hurd was a useful thing in 1991... systemd might be a thing. [17:13]
BingoBoingo Now though it it just a red hat/nigbuntu annoyance [17:14]
BingoBoingo The point is that to call systemd a lost cause I need not be important at all [17:15]
BingoBoingo per even I think systemd is crap [17:15]
mircea_popescu 19. Myth: systemd forces you to do something. systemd is not the mafia. It's Free Software, you can do with it whatever you want, and that includes not using it. That's pretty much the opposite of "forcing". << lol ok, that's about the most disingenuous thing i read today. you know what else is free software ? BITCOIN!!! [17:18]
mircea_popescu and it also doesn't force you to... oh... wait. [17:19]
BingoBoingo Systemd distros can go back to the jungle and fuck chimps. [17:19]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: we call this 'добровольно- принудительно' ('voluntary-compulsory') [17:19]
BingoBoingo Systemd is over [17:19]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: if enemy died when you said 'bang! yer dead' life'd be a lot simpler, yes. [17:20]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I've never know not that to be the case. [17:20]
mircea_popescu nah, it's not gonna be over for a while yet. it has... well not so much traction, but plenty o' support. [17:21]
BingoBoingo Bra's get support [17:21]
mircea_popescu mansiere! [17:21]
mircea_popescu Myth: systemd makes it impossible to run syslog. >> Not true, we carefully made sure when we introduced the journal that all data is also passed on to any syslog daemon running. In fact, if something changed, then only that syslog gets more complete data now than it got before, since we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service. [17:22]
BingoBoingo systemd gets a kilogram of brass. The niggers behind it can decide if the brass is shaped into hammers or bullets. [17:22]
mircea_popescu this is kind-of bizarre. so, ok, syslogd gets whatever systemd feels like passing along. why is this useful and to whom [17:22]
BingoBoingo Either way the brass isn't going to spark, because that's just what brass does. [17:23]
pankkake we now cover early boot stuff as well as STDOUT/STDERR of any system service => since again I am the only one here who actually used the things, this is absolutely crucial [17:25]
mircea_popescu o look, there's #systemd [17:26]
pankkake daemon crashes, the output goes nowhere [17:26]
mircea_popescu pankkake that's a good thing, granted. [17:26]
mircea_popescu i'll take a bet you're not the only guy here that ever used the things, for any value of things tho. [17:26]
pankkake that's what the log points to [17:27]
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mircea_popescu lol "No, it can't read mail...yet". a sense o' humor never hurt anyone. [17:27]
BingoBoingo cool, now that its un-prefixed from systemd people are meant to use it anyway so might as well make it useful :D [17:27]
BingoBoingo ^^ Nigga speak [17:28]
pankkake and as a Gentoo user I don't feel "trapped" so no delusion one way or the other [17:28]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Anything that gives me less knobs than a mid 80's GUI is hell [17:29]
pankkake care to describe the "knobs"? [17:29]
BingoBoingo pankkake: Runlevel4 [17:29]
mircea_popescu "We regularly attend various conferences, to collect feedback, to explain what we are doing and why, like few others do." << intereskin. [17:29]
pankkake ... [17:29]
mircea_popescu BingoBoingo what are you so fixated on that anyway. what's it do for you ? [17:29]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: In the linux standard base it is a user defined runlevel [17:30]
mircea_popescu anything other than 0 1 and what was it, 7. [17:30]
mircea_popescu no, 6. [17:31]
BingoBoingo Oh, just anything you care to force upon your boxen [17:31]
pankkake so you want your one custom integer runlevel compared to an infinity of named runlevels? [17:31]
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BingoBoingo pankkake: Yes, because that one runlevel can represent itself aleph sub 0 runlevels [17:32]
mircea_popescu For example, systems running systemd now generally store their hostname in /etc/hostname, something that used to be specific to Debian and now is used across distributions. << holy hell that took half a century. [17:33]
BingoBoingo If you pretend systemd lives on an arch that can count aleph sub one possibilities Imma take my dick out and correct in in the traditional chinese sense [17:33]
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mircea_popescu Myth: systemd's use of D-Bus instead of sockets makes it intransparent. This claim is already contradictory in itself: D-Bus uses sockets as transport, too. Hence whenever D-Bus is used to send something around, a socket is used for that too. D-Bus is mostly a standardized serialization of messages to send over these sockets. If anything this makes it more transparent, since this serialization is well documented, under [17:35]
mircea_popescu stood and there are numerous tracing tools and language bindings for it. This is very much unlike the usual homegrown protocols the various classic UNIX daemons use to communicate locally. [17:35]
mircea_popescu now that's a good fucking point, jesus it took a while to get to one. [17:35]
BingoBoingo As there is no uncountably infinite 0x in computing machines, there may be a lot of rapin to do to correct everybody. [17:36]
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BingoBoingo Thankfully viagra is not a controlled sunstance [17:37]
BingoBoingo *substance [17:37]
kakobrekla [17:39]
assbot Inside Noiva do Cordeiro a remote Brazilian village where nearly all the residents are women | National Post [17:39]
BingoBoingo systemd has 24 months to learn the silence that the spring lambs can't [17:40]
BingoBoingo In 25 months starfish bleed [17:41]
mircea_popescu << lengthy story (from the guy that earlier claimed they're not a cabal, of course) explaining how the future of linux is being windows. [17:43]
assbot Revisiting How We Put Together Linux Systems [17:43]
mircea_popescu the best quote in there, [17:43]
mircea_popescu "The classic Linux distribution scheme is frequently not what end users want, either. Many users are used to app markets like Android, Windows or iOS/Mac have. " [17:43]
BingoBoingo [17:43]
assbot total_product_recall comments on Nakamoto Institute Scam? [17:43]
mircea_popescu well, this has been an informative adventure into how the modern day macdonalds location manager lives and breathes, but i guess i've had enough. [17:44]
BingoBoingo Amazing thing is most of Android's libc comes from OpenBSD in spite of the Linux kernel [17:45]
BingoBoingo Or COlnel [17:45]
BingoBoingo Whatever the chicken licking niggas do now a days [17:45]
pankkake there's no libc in the linux kernel… [17:46]
BingoBoingo But to compile it? [17:46]
mircea_popescu pankkake saywut ?! glibc ? [17:47]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: Join systemd again. [17:47]
pankkake it doesn't provide one [17:48]
BingoBoingo I want someone to measure how long I can spout truth/crazy [17:48]
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pankkake nor does bionic come from openbsd [17:48]
pankkake this whole discussion is such a joke [17:48]
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mircea_popescu pankkake you mean like, separate from the gnu ? [17:50]
mircea_popescu if memory serves they tried and failed in the 90s. [17:50]
pankkake tried what? [17:50]
mircea_popescu a glibc forc [17:50]
mircea_popescu fork* [17:50]
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BingoBoingo So... systemd chan might not have someone capable of banning me [17:55]
mircea_popescu pankkake as to the other matter, say [17:56]
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BingoBoingo Trolling #systemd is like slaughtering lemmings [18:05]
Azelphur Trolling is for people who don't have important things like code to write :P [18:06]
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mircea_popescu eh what are you bothering people for. [18:07]
Azelphur BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) [18:07]
BingoBoingo Systemd is the devil [18:08]
BingoBoingo sure it is. but not for any of the reasons that you can come up with. [18:08]
BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: so go and ignore systemd [18:08]
BingoBoingo linux is mostly opensource, you are free to do whatever you want [18:08]
BingoBoingo zdzichu: No until you stop insisting all the world make systemd a dependency. Stop making my niggers pick your cotton!!! [18:08]
BingoBoingo mircea_popescu: I b0other them so the know their hitpoints later [18:08]
mircea_popescu you're not even doing a good jbo of it, this is like the weakest sauce trolling ever [18:09]
mircea_popescu he sounds a lot like this hacker, '4chan,' I read about on the news yesterday << lmao. [18:09]
BingoBoingo But it has great predictive value [18:09]
BingoBoingo Who knows? Maybe now that the FBI has seen it it stops liking systemd? [18:10]
BingoBoingo I mean chicoms [18:11]
BingoBoingo Everywhere [18:11]
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BingoBoingo << WHy sytemd can't live [18:14]
assbot Changing the Rules of a 15-Year-Old Game: Quake Live Update Causes Controversy - Slashdot [18:14]
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BingoBoingo !up providers36 [18:20]
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providers36 thanks [18:21]
BingoBoingo The sad thing about systemd is that even though red hat made it, ubuntu will fork it just because, and it will die. No serious intervention ought be necessary for this Hearnia [18:21]
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BingoBoingo [18:23]
assbot Wes Welker Suspended Four Games For Amphetamines (And Maybe Molly, Too) [18:23]
BingoBoingo Wes Welker is sytemd [18:25]
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BingoBoingo BingoBoingo: haha, small world, I know Raydiation in person :) << Let them know it isn't about them. It is Microsoft. [18:31]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you ever play dwarf fortress [18:32]
mircea_popescu nop [18:32]
thestringpuller ;;later tell nubbins` just roll it like a blunt [18:32]
gribble The operation succeeded. [18:32]
thestringpuller ;;google cracked dwarf fortress [18:33]
gribble Dwarf Fortress | ; xkcd • View topic - You gotta get into Dwarf Fortress if you haven ...: ; How To Get Into Dwarf Fortress | Press X or Die: [18:33]
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BingoBoingo [18:42]
assbot Nearly Half Of Young Women In The U.K. Don't Know Where Their Vagina Is [18:42]
BingoBoingo No wonder why moiety starved [18:44]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.00084339 = 34.7477 BTC [-] {2} [18:46]
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punkman [18:54]
assbot 5 Signs Your Marriage Is On Shaky Ground [18:54]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.40896790 BTC to 15`370 shares, 9167 satoshi per share [19:00]
assbot [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 8.64790976 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 752 satoshi per share [19:01]
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punkman [19:05]
assbot Hey /digitalocean - how about you support me? My users are ready! [19:05]
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mircea_popescu i had nfi digital ocean was a small startup. [19:54]
mircea_popescu why not digitalpuddle then. lake, soemthing. [19:54]
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mircea_popescu BingoBoingo here's something for when you wake up. [20:13]
assbot Lawrence Alma-Tadema pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. [20:13]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust [20:14]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user : Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [20:14]
mircea_popescu ;;gettrust Kernel_Killer [20:14]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user Kernel_Killer: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never [20:14]
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jurov ;;later tell Azelphur did you see ? i have serious issues with both calendar and contacts [21:15]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:15]
assbot First impressions of ownCloud - serialized delusions [21:15]
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TheNewDeal ;;Later tell nubbins' flat pack it. Give me an address to send to [21:16]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:16]
[]bot Bet placed: 10 BTC for Yes on "BTC Difficulty over 31Bn before October" Odds: 88(Y):12(N) by coin, 85(Y):15(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.48191626 BTC. Current weight: 49,533. [21:22]
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artifexd ;;later tell nubbins` Flat pack it. Shall I send the extra to the same address? [21:31]
gribble The operation succeeded. [21:31]
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pete_on_the_balt ahoy! [21:48]
pete_on_the_balt might take me a while to parse through all dem logs. [21:48]
pete_on_the_balt forgive me if i start quoting shit that's 3 days past prime [21:48]
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pete_on_the_balt ;;nethash [21:55]
gribble 209787434.975 [21:55]
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thestringpuller maybe you should stop using boats [22:08]
thestringpuller and instead use airplaines [22:08]
thestringpuller :D [22:08]
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pete_on_the_balt lol who me, use boats? [22:12]
pete_on_the_balt thestringpuller: [22:13]
assbot All The King’s Horses And All The King’s Men Can’t Beat A Social Engineering Attack | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski [22:13]
thestringpuller lol in 2030 i'll probably be dead [22:15]
thestringpuller or in cryofreeze [22:15]
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pete_on_the_balt heh [22:17]
pete_on_the_balt i dunno, if you beat cancer once or twice, i'm sure you'll be there [22:17]
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assbot Things You Learn Designing Porn Banners for a Living | VICE United Kingdom [22:31]
thestringpuller I'd rather just go into Cryofreeze and wake up in the year 3000 [22:32]
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thestringpuller how endearing... [22:35]
thestringpuller mod6: JEEZY'S NEW ALBUM DROPPED!!!!! [22:36]
thestringpuller damn this album is sick [22:37]
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pete_on_the_balt gotta run for nao, hopefully i'll be back again before long :) [22:37]
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assbot [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 161 @ 0.00439999 = 0.7084 BTC [+] {3} [22:44]
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TheNewDeal Later tell nubbins` ditto what articles said [22:58]
TheNewDeal ;;Later tell nubbins´ ditto what artifexd said [22:59]
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TheNewDeal Fack [22:59]
TheNewDeal ;;Later tell nubbins` ditto what artifexd said [23:00]
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kuzetsa geez, it's kinda crappy that a game that's been around since 1999 still sometimes have NPCs in one of the main areas which like... interracting with the NPC is bugged, and instantly crashes the game client 100% of the time [23:23]
kuzetsa this time, as a test I tried a nearby vendor (no crash) then went back to the one I had problems with and it was reproducable & crashed yet again [23:24]
chetty guess it is not being maintained, what game is it? [23:25]
kuzetsa no, it's totally being maintained, and the 21st expansion is due out 4th quarter 2014 (october, tentatively) [23:25]
kuzetsa everquest [23:25]
kuzetsa which I believe is like... the original MMORPG ever or something like that [23:26]
kuzetsa oh... maybe not -- this one was around first, and you had to use a dial-up modem to directly connect to it because basically nobody had interent connections in 1992 ---> [23:31]
kuzetsa "[...] for as little as $1.80 per hour" [23:31]
kuzetsa O_O [23:31]
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chetty haha I played everquest some looong ago. There were MMORPG before it, just not 3d [23:41]
thestringpuller kuzetsa: ultima online was tecnically the first [23:41]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17050 @ 0.00083978 = 14.3182 BTC [-] [23:42]
kuzetsa thestringpuller: how do you figure? wasn't ultima online 1997? the thing I linked was 1992 [23:44]
thestringpuller mah bad [23:45]
thestringpuller first one to charge [23:45]
thestringpuller doo doo do dooo [23:45]
kuzetsa uhhh... [23:45]
kuzetsa the 1992 one I linked was "$1.80 per hour [23:45]
thestringpuller really? [23:45]
kuzetsa <-- yes, really (that's an old magazine advert for it) [23:45]
punkman MUDs were around long before 1992 [23:46]
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thestringpuller ah [23:47]
thestringpuller apparently 1985 was the first mmo [23:48]
thestringpuller Island of Kesmai [23:48]
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thestringpuller ;;ticker [23:58]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 475.81, Best ask: 477.38, Bid-ask spread: 1.57000, Last trade: 477.38, 24 hour volume: 5194.73819791, 24 hour low: 471.0, 24 hour high: 479.57, 24 hour vwap: 0 [23:58]
thestringpuller ;;ls [23:58]
gribble What do you think I am, a shell? [23:58]
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