Forum logs for 03 May 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
asciilifeform tenacious critter, has been going at it for decades, it seems. [00:00]
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mircea_popescu decimation i've noticed that a good heuristic is, if (grep -c "privilege" > 1) break; [00:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu's bayesian antispamatron must be a real hoot [00:02]
mircea_popescu somehow this idea that "privilege = bad" is getting passed around a certain group of idiots as given gospel. [00:02]
mircea_popescu hasn't even been investigated at any point, it's just revelation or something. [00:02]
asciilifeform they have more of a 'bad is privilege' thing [00:02]
decimation well, he is also melding the idea that the 'software factory' model is retarded into this [00:03]
decimation but I don't really follow that [00:03]
mircea_popescu well the software factory is definitel yretarded. [00:03]
asciilifeform decimation: the realization that software and computing in general as it exists is deeply and profoundly retarded, dawned on many people [00:03]
mircea_popescu "Celia Green is a philosopher and psychologist" [00:03]
mircea_popescu "that likes to write in the third person" [00:03]
decimation sure, but does that mean that hierarchical classification is a conspiracy? [00:03]
asciilifeform decimation: to some of these folks, the beige and black that pc chassis traditionally come in is the conspiracy [00:04]
asciilifeform there are at least as many idiocies as there idiots to conceive of them [00:04]
asciilifeform http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/crackpot.html << obligatory [00:05]
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decimation "The mechanistic software beliefs, in particular, have permitted a powerful software elite to arise. In just a few decades, organizations that have in fact little to offer us have attained so much power that they practically control society. As we will see in the course of this book, their power rests almost entirely on mechanistic software delusions, and on the stupidity engendered by these delusions." [00:11]
asciilifeform ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason' [00:12]
asciilifeform http://www.scribd.com/doc/174003340/Joseph-Weizenbaum-Computer-Power-and-Human-Reason-From-Judgement-to-Calculation-1976#scribd << warez copy [00:12]
assbot Joseph Weizenbaum Computer Power and Human Reason From Judgement to Calculation 1976 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYOc8B ) [00:12]
asciilifeform (weizenbaum made specific predictions re: electronic enablement of massive welfare bureaucracy, etc.) [00:14]
decimation yeah this guy seems to be derping that the 'software elites' have seized control and are starving the masses [00:15]
decimation he reminds me of that jeron lanier guy [00:22]
asciilifeform it somehow grates the ear less coming out of a broke schizo than a fella like lanier [00:23]
mircea_popescu yeah. the powerful software elite is out there crushing its cessna in irs tax offices. [00:23]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: presumably the particular crackpot meant 'those who decide what is written' rather than the worker bees [00:24]
mircea_popescu i wish to meet these people. [00:24]
mircea_popescu as far as i know, not even linus "decides what is written" [00:24]
mircea_popescu definitely nobody in redmond [00:24]
asciilifeform they 'decide' to approximately the same degree as obama [00:24]
asciilifeform largely, the structure of the idiotron decides for them. [00:25]
mircea_popescu ^ cheap n-th generation plagiarism of weizenbaum (of eliza) 'computer power and human reason' << this diagnosis is exactly correct, i am persuaded. [00:25]
mircea_popescu pretty much all of the us consists of john smiths, rewriting the bible in their own name. [00:25]
asciilifeform tbh weizenbaum is in no sense the originator of the 'mega-computerized bureaucracy will crush all souls' meme [00:26]
decimation "Application development, thus, will soon require no programmers. An analyst or manager will specify the requirements by interacting with a sophisti- cated development system, and the computer will do the rest: “There is a major revolution happening in software and system design.... The revolution is the replacement of manual design and coding with automated design and coding.”Ñ " [00:26]
asciilifeform but he is the single most articulate dissector of it, of the ones in my library, and so i pick him. [00:26]
mircea_popescu kinda how culture works. [00:26]
mircea_popescu shakespeare was also not the first to derp about derpy themes [00:26]
decimation he didn't even write it, another guy with the same name did [00:27]
mircea_popescu it was his wife, check your privilege [00:27]
mircea_popescu (fun story : privileg was my first calculator. [00:28]
* asciilifeform notices the resemblance to 'elektronika' series [00:29]
mircea_popescu 10 points for beginning the description of your theory by saying how long you have been working on it. (10 more for emphasizing that you worked on your own.) [00:29]
mircea_popescu 10 more if it's built from the ground up with anything in mind. [00:29]
mircea_popescu speaking of which, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAYDiPizDIs [00:31]
assbot Monty Python - Theory on Brontosauruses by Anne Elk (Miss). - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPPmA ) [00:31]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.christophlorenz.de/calc/privileg/861-m-nc.php?l=en << it ? [00:33]
assbot The Metatechnical Cabinet - Privileg 861-M-NC / Litronix 1721R ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYPXTf ) [00:33]
mircea_popescu nah smaller thing, solar powered [00:34]
mircea_popescu bout the size of a biscuit. same thicknes throughout [00:34]
mircea_popescu http://mycalcdb.free.fr/main.php?l=0&id=6017 this [00:34]
assbot MyCalcDB :   Calculator  Privileg / Quelle  SOLAR 16 ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQ1lW ) [00:34]
asciilifeform woah hightech [00:35]
mircea_popescu it kicked ass, an dprobably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance. or stress tolerance [00:36]
* asciilifeform came from orcish lands where lcd was considered exotic tech [00:36]
mircea_popescu (like, i'd cover it's cell and have it do stuff) [00:36]
decimation actually lcds are worse in nearly ever respect other than power draw [00:37]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: probably set my expectations of machines in fields like responsivity for instance... << very tellingly, children in usa are now being issued with pocket calculators that have -palpable boot times- and delays on all basic ops [00:38]
asciilifeform (e.g., texas instruments 'nspire' etc) [00:39]
mircea_popescu hidebound reactionary" << wtf does this even mean [00:39]
decimation asciilifeform: my hp48 was doing tons of processing under the hood, would never delay or have a 'boot time' [00:39]
asciilifeform decimation: it wasn't running java [00:39]
decimation except during intense graphing operations, etc [00:39]
decimation no, it was running hand optimized assembly [00:40]
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mircea_popescu ayup [00:40]
asciilifeform decimation: visit an electronics store and prepare to have brain come out of ears. i've had flashlights that -crashed.- i drive a car with a -buggy- thermostat controller. (made 12 yrs ago, too. the rot began long ago.) [00:41]
mircea_popescu lol crashed flashlight wut [00:41]
asciilifeform !s flashlight crash [00:41]
assbot 2 results for 'flashlight crash' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flashlight+crash [00:41]
mircea_popescu nuts. [00:41]
* mircea_popescu owned a half lb flashlight in TM. yet it had no processor. [00:42]
asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2014#758167 [00:43]
assbot Logged on 16-07-2014 18:31:23; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom... [00:43]
mircea_popescu nuts [00:43]
decimation asciilifeform: I have a friend who is an old graybeard EE, been working on actual circuitry since the 80's [00:44]
mircea_popescu https://johncarlosbaez.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/planets_in_the_4th_dimension/ << ok i must confess this is a kickass theory. [00:44]
assbot Planets in the Fourth Dimension | Azimuth ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYQuoc ) [00:44]
mircea_popescu "why ellipses ? because circles in 4 dimensions project to 3 dimensional ellipses, that's why!" [00:45]
decimation he said recently a sea change has come with kids coming out of school; they want to specify massive cpu, memory for very simple micro-controllers so they can run java [00:45]
mircea_popescu "Dr Green currently holds no salaried academic position, a situation her associates regard as profoundly anomalous and unjust. One of the purposes of Oxford Forum is to reinstate her in the academic world." [00:50]
mircea_popescu ajaja [00:50]
mircea_popescu The reason Dr Green is not a salaried academic is partly because her ideas are out of sympathy with the prevailing intellectual climate, but also because her education was ruined. A child prodigy, she was the victim of a hostile state education system, and an unsympathetic college when she was an undergraduate at Oxford. She is uniquely suited to doing research, and could be making significant progress in several areas [00:51]
mircea_popescu of knowledge if she was not hampered by her exiled position and lack of funding. [00:51]
mircea_popescu Oxford Forum's aim is to expand into an independent college cum university which would generate and publish research in several areas including philosophy, economics, the psychology and physiology of perception, and theoretical physics. [00:51]
mircea_popescu epic. [00:51]
cazalla another stream, fight starts now http://www.gutatv.biz/alpha23c2.php [00:51]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: to be fair, it was a flashlight with some basic state - was the kind that is to switch itself on when mains socket it is kept charging in fails [00:52]
mircea_popescu this requires electronics ? [00:52]
mircea_popescu does your rectifier also run java ? [00:53]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: someone decided to use a microcontroller. quite possibly because 29 cents instead of 30 for a '555'. [00:53]
asciilifeform somehow its eeprom (yes) got erased. [00:54]
mircea_popescu see, shoulda got the ecc variant [00:54]
mircea_popescu http://celiagreen.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/interns.html [00:57]
assbot CELIA GREEN: Interns ... ( http://bit.ly/1EYRw3q ) [00:57]
mircea_popescu pretty great find, this [00:57]
mircea_popescu Pain Control [00:57]
mircea_popescu An area of research in which I could be making progress if I had funding providing an income of at least £100,000 a year (progress would no doubt be faster with more income). [00:57]
* asciilifeform has been collecting folks like green for a long, long time [00:58]
asciilifeform partly because, for a serious crackpot, to avoid going entirely off the rails, it is helpful to know what the rails look like. [00:58]
mircea_popescu woman goes on to explain stuff about dentistry. [00:59]
decimation asciilifeform: or to be more precise, what the wreck off the rail looks like [01:02]
asciilifeform aha. [01:02]
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asciilifeform for the record, when i first encountered green ('07 ?) i definitely had sympathy for the 'someone ought to pay me to think, fuck the world' thing, until i figure out what she intended to 'think' -about- [01:08]
mircea_popescu it seems she literally intends to remembrance her youth ? [01:08]
mircea_popescu anyway, i do not personally believe this "pay me to think" thing has any merit whatsoever. [01:08]
mircea_popescu go do something useful, so your thoughts may be worth thinking in the first place. [01:09]
asciilifeform it has same merit as 'i would like to fly to buenos aires on farts' [01:09]
asciilifeform (who needs 'airbus' if can do this!) [01:10]
asciilifeform the academia racket does create a superficial chumpatronic appearance that some folks are 'paid to think' [01:11]
mircea_popescu myah. [01:11]
asciilifeform and certain folks who imagine that they could suck that teat while doing $theirthing instead of penning treatises re: checking privilege etc. - envy academics [01:12]
mircea_popescu similarly the entertainment racket creates the superficial chumpatronic appearance that some chicks "have it easy" [01:12]
mircea_popescu one needs a particular sort of ingrained uselessness outlook to come to that sort of worldview. [01:12]
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scoopbot_revived News! No Such lAbs (S.NSA), April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-april-2015-statement/ [01:44]
cazalla ;;later tell bingoboingo your pino rooster didn't deliver the goods, i ended up betting on mayweather at the last moment :P [01:51]
gribble The operation succeeded. [01:51]
mircea_popescu "a total of 15,495 accounts were identified as having premium FetLife memberships” and that “Male doms make up far and away the largest proportion of FetLife’s [paying] customer base, accounting for 3,452 (22.28%) of the total customer accounts identified." [01:52]
mircea_popescu leaving aside the torturous logic involved... srsly, 15k paid accounts ? [01:52]
mircea_popescu almost enough to buy a used car! [01:52]
mircea_popescu https://twitter.com/hashtag/themeatlist?src=hash << bonus. [01:53]
assbot Tweets about #themeatlist hashtag on Twitter ... ( http://bit.ly/1c8Flo5 ) [01:53]
asciilifeform what does a paid account get you ? [01:57]
mircea_popescu no idea [02:01]
mircea_popescu a ribbon or something. think reddit gold. [02:01]
asciilifeform wtf would anybody pay for this [02:05]
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mircea_popescu soooo... since i was looking at the fetlife stuff, i discovered the scrapper had stopped working [02:11]
mircea_popescu guess what it was ? [02:11]
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mircea_popescu (hint : previous time it stopped working, they rejected based on agent string) [02:16]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ip ? [02:53]
mircea_popescu referrer. [02:53]
asciilifeform l0l [02:53]
mircea_popescu srsly. this is the tech company. gurlz are all "oh poor them" and shit. it's like beating up the mentally retarded. [02:54]
asciilifeform hunting zoo animals. [02:55]
mircea_popescu this is the result of this ill conceived "you can do anything" trend applied to business. [02:57]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/aa075b09e01a54c45fd04bc72b13410b/tumblr_mxawg3UON21t1tru2o2_400.gif [03:03]
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mircea_popescu http://www.find-t.co/ << pretty handy t.co braindamage reverser. [03:12]
assbot Find the originating tweet [03:12]
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mircea_popescu asciilifeform yeah i figured you would, but i didn't wanna fuck with it. [13:41]
mircea_popescu and speaking of fucking with it, http://31.media.tumblr.com/90fce7a8d6f8ddbb1afd46580c17728a/tumblr_n0ybfl8ZEC1svwz07o1_500.gif [13:43]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-05-2015#1118983 << a) trivial to make the retractor always fail out ; b) it'd add all sorts of costs, most of them subjective. [13:47]
assbot Logged on 03-05-2015 14:04:57; asciilifeform: (yes, would add something to fuel cost. cry a river.) [13:48]
mircea_popescu and re http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-04-2015#1117066 : teh trilema readership reminds me, alcibiades alcmaeonidos [13:58]
assbot Logged on 30-04-2015 21:45:55; mircea_popescu: ascii_field there was this mildly famous gay boy of athens whose name escapes me at the moment, literally got a whole trireme detachment on unbacked promises of great pay (from persia iirc ?) and well... there they sat. [13:58]
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mircea_popescu "Specializing in the sort of ultimate tough-guy/manly man roles that hearken back to a different era in film, Sizemore continues to be a favourite of Hollywood's greatest directors." [14:10]
mircea_popescu ahaha. children of a different era, i salute you. [14:10]
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jurov cazalla: check the qntra stmt [14:23]
mircea_popescu jurov sig passes here ? [14:26]
jurov lol despite being 6 rows no one reads it [14:26]
jurov danielpbarron is spelt wrong and the number is misplaced [14:26]
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mircea_popescu tunnel vision lol. i checked the sig and the sum. [14:27]
mircea_popescu 4BD D16E 8EAF 4493 CB9C B36A E984 9D96 1AC9 << heh. [14:27]
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scoopbot_revived News! The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume IX URL: http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-ix/ [15:53]
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jurov !up yhwh_ [16:58]
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jurov assbot remembered me, nice [16:59]
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davout it deathed [17:04]
jurov and then undeathed lol [17:05]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes aty [17:33]
cazalla jurov, thansk, i always check but for some reason missed that : [17:35]
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Adlai ברוך אתה yhwh_ שלא עשני אשה [17:41]
jurov He will smite you, you sexist [17:46]
cazalla these cheaper chinese chainsaws on ebay versus a stihl or husqi, anyone know if price diff is worth it? [17:46]
cazalla from what i've read, the stihl and husqis are made in china now too, and this is for only around the backyard use [17:47]
cazalla stihl, i'd rather not take a cheap chainsaw to the knee [17:47]
jurov chainsaw is the last thing i'd economize on [17:49]
mircea_popescu cazalla i never bought one but i'm with jurov [17:50]
cazalla !up deedbot- [17:50]
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mircea_popescu if that chain snaps... [17:50]
cazalla deedbot- http://dpaste.com/2FZADTG.txt [17:50]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [17:50]
trinque cazalla: up's no longer necessary [17:50]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIZvfW ) [17:50]
Adlai jurov: pls lrn your prayers, http://www.myjewishlearning.com/article/who-has-not-made-me-a-woman/ [17:50]
assbot Who Has Not Made Me a Woman - My Jewish Learning ... ( http://bit.ly/1GIZxEy ) [17:50]
cazalla !down deedbot- [17:50]
trinque cazalla: impossibru! [17:50]
Adlai "Few Jewish religious texts have provoked as much indignation and discomfort as the brief passage that is recited by traditional Jewish men at the beginning of the daily morning prayers: “Blessed are you, Lord, our God, ruler of the universe who has not created me a woman.” For many, it expresses a quintessential misogyny that lies at the core of our patriarchal religion." [17:50]
* Adlai can't make this shit up [17:51]
cazalla i dunno Adlai, i'm thankful not to be a woman but i don't give daily thanks to it [17:52]
Adlai ;;gettrust yhwh cazalla [17:53]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user cazalla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=cazalla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=cazalla | Rated since: Tue Apr 15 22:17:43 2014 [17:53]
* Adlai shrugs [17:53]
jurov ;;gettrust yhwh jesus [17:53]
gribble WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user yhwh to user jesus: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=yhwh&dest=jesus | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=jesus | Rated since: never [17:53]
jurov nope. [17:53]
mircea_popescu shit [17:54]
mircea_popescu /nick jesus > * jesus :Erroneous Nickname [17:55]
mircea_popescu what teh bs. [17:55]
Adlai if jesus was a jew [17:55]
Adlai why did he have a mexican name [17:55]
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-NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify . [17:56]
* You are now known as mircea_popescu [17:56]
mircea_popescu almost as good. [17:56]
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Adlai what are the standards for mirroring pages in qntra articles? is archive.org goodenuff? [17:59]
mircea_popescu no. archive.today [18:01]
mircea_popescu archive.org is a pos. [18:01]
cazalla Adlai, i've been using archive.today [18:01]
mircea_popescu Adlai also, a copy on your own blog is a golden standard. [18:01]
Adlai blog fragmentation seems an excellent way to cause eventual linkrot [18:02]
* Adlai watches archive.today's squirming from being fed a facebook link, and is slightly aroused [18:05]
mircea_popescu Adlai the idea being that if you cache a link on the very place where the link is referenced, you can't have link rot because if the place is up it's up and if it's down there's no link anyway [18:05]
Adlai qntra is my own blog now? [18:06]
* Adlai is honored and begins typing up "The Idiot's Guide to Blockchain Technology" [18:07]
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kakobrekla jurov> assbot remembered me, nice < i think it checks wot status every time [18:36]
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asciilifeform ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://nosuchlabs.com/stats << here you go, phixed [19:28]
gribble The operation succeeded. [19:28]
assbot So far: [19:28]
mircea_popescu o hey, nice. [19:28]
asciilifeform enjoy, l0l [19:28]
mircea_popescu can it has ` thousands separator ? :D [19:28]
asciilifeform go ahead, add it in. i forget how. [19:29]
* asciilifeform does not do much wwwtronics [19:29]
mircea_popescu i have nfi, last i wrote python most social justice warriors were prepubescent [19:29]
* asciilifeform idly wonders what a 'phuctor' for ecdsa/btc would look like [19:36]
asciilifeform or wait, this was already done long ago. [19:36]
mircea_popescu get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke [19:36]
mircea_popescu yup [19:36]
asciilifeform it looked like a buncha derps coin vanishing into black hole. [19:36]
mircea_popescu actually iirc the first iteration at least, derps were warned. [19:37]
asciilifeform warned how? warning shot with nanocoin tx'ed out ? [19:37]
mircea_popescu i don't recall, was a big deal thread cca 2012 [19:38]
mircea_popescu eventually they tracked down the offender source [19:38]
asciilifeform something that ran on pNohes, i recall. [19:39]
asciilifeform was reusing 'k' [19:39]
mircea_popescu something like that. [19:39]
mircea_popescu anwyay, when's the processing start!!11 [19:41]
asciilifeform if you wanna do the sausage slicing, feel free to start. otherwise it'll have to wait a little. [19:42]
mircea_popescu o.O [19:42]
asciilifeform (uploaded sausage last night) [19:42]
mircea_popescu what's it waiting for ? to no longer have a great server at its sole disposal ? [19:42]
asciilifeform l0l [19:43]
asciilifeform it really doesn't need the whole box to itself! [19:43]
asciilifeform can house 1,001 other things there [19:43]
mircea_popescu cmon, today's the day, yest was the day, day b4 yest was the day, and so on for a whole week. [19:43]
asciilifeform (by now mircea_popescu probably read the src and knows, approximately, how it works) [19:43]
mircea_popescu 5gb of keys will take a lot of processing. everything else can wait so THIS is started [19:44]
mircea_popescu because it takes 4ever. [19:44]
mircea_popescu for the record, www was comparably irrelevant. as long as the processing was started, where exact;y the www responds... whocares. [19:44]
mircea_popescu comparatively* [19:44]
asciilifeform www end is how we read the output [19:45]
asciilifeform or am i missing something [19:45]
mircea_popescu just max that box already. [19:45]
davout lol [19:45]
asciilifeform i keep thinking gpg has the key slicer functionality built in somewhere [19:46]
asciilifeform and i'm a lamer, and don't know about it [19:46]
mircea_popescu you keep thinking that if you proctastinate the parts that suck they'll get done by themselves. [19:46]
asciilifeform anyone knows the secret ? [19:46]
scoopbot_revived News! BitBet (S.BBET) April 2015 Statement URL: http://trilema.com/2015/bitbet-sbbet-april-2015-statement/ [19:54]
asciilifeform https://keyserver.mattrude.com/dump/current << l0l, apparently there is a real-time one. [19:58]
assbot Index of /dump/current/ ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8vKLa ) [19:58]
asciilifeform no deep secret. [19:58]
mircea_popescu #Digest-algo: md5 and unsigned [19:59]
mircea_popescu WHAT IS WRON G WITH THESE PEOPLE [19:59]
mircea_popescu /usr/local/bin/sks_build.sh << it has a script btw, to allow you to autoload in a db [20:00]
mircea_popescu you can prolly steal the code from there. [20:01]
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mircea_popescu " I started doing a full build, it looked like it was going to take forever so I aborted it and switched to a quickbuild. On the 4-processor machine I was using it still took in the order of 40 minutes to run so this might take a while." [20:01]
mircea_popescu heh. [20:01]
asciilifeform http://code.google.com/r/google-sks-keyserver-hl1/source/browse/sks_build.sh?name=1.1.1&r=7f1cc4b1637ef119ba1f81afee0496c232bc2e10 << no such luck [20:01]
assbot sks_build.sh - [20:01]
asciilifeform gpgsplit (standard util) will cut'em but you end up with -all- packets sawed apart (signatures, email addrs, etc. floating around as separate flotsam and no longer agglomerated into pubkeys as customary) [20:02]
* asciilifeform is floored by the sheer retardation of the sks thing [20:03]
asciilifeform http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/110110/list-all-gpg-pgp-keys-of-a-local-sks-key-server << other folks also pissed [20:04]
assbot List all GPG/PGP keys of a local SKS key server - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSCWb8 ) [20:04]
mircea_popescu sks build /var/lib/sks/dump/*.pgp -n 10 -cache 100 << [20:05]
asciilifeform this sucks -in-, no ? [20:06]
mircea_popescu yes, builds a db out of the pgp pile. [20:06]
asciilifeform and then what [20:06]
mircea_popescu that can then presumably be iterated, being a db. right ? [20:06]
asciilifeform the docs suggest otherwise (mega-l0l, yes) [20:07]
mircea_popescu how is this a db then. [20:07]
asciilifeform how a turd is sausage. [20:07]
* asciilifeform reading docs, because this is unbelievable [20:08]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1119095 << eh? [20:09]
assbot Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke [20:09]
mircea_popescu eh is not a supported query. [20:09]
Adlai http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-05-2015#1119095 << wot? [20:09]
assbot Logged on 03-05-2015 22:31:27; mircea_popescu: get al txn (in the unpruned tree), group by address, see which actuyally exposed the ke [20:09]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62450 @ 0.00027231 = 17.0058 BTC [-] [20:09]
mircea_popescu http://www.nilsschneider.net/2013/01/28/recovering-bitcoin-private-keys.html [20:10]
assbot Recovering Bitcoin private keys using weak signatures from the blockchain / Nils Schneider ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wK24 ) [20:10]
Adlai also https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=143551 [20:11]
assbot Login ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8wPCG ) [20:11]
Adlai assbot pls [20:12]
asciilifeform ^ not readable [20:12]
asciilifeform censored? [20:12]
Adlai tl;dr: 'johoe' who took >250 coins from blockchain.info users by looking for predictable r-values [20:12]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform no listen, so you construct the db, then have gpg spit out the list of fingerprints, then query it over that list. produces pubkyes. [20:12]
Adlai then made a great public show of returning them to blockchain.info's creditors [20:13]
Adlai now THAT is a hoodrobbin [20:13]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41450 @ 0.00026813 = 11.114 BTC [-] {2} [20:13]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: didja say at one point you had a keyserver going ? [20:14]
mircea_popescu no ? i said one's being made. by mats [20:14]
asciilifeform aha [20:14]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/mats-pgp-keyserver [20:14]
assbot [mats] PGP keyserver on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8x3tu ) [20:14]
asciilifeform because, it seems that in the course of this opera, we are setting up one sks key server [20:14]
asciilifeform could let it run, even [20:15]
mircea_popescu i'm shocked! [20:15]
asciilifeform l0l [20:15]
mircea_popescu you mean to tell me if we intend to use any FOSS thing the way that'll happen is if we write it first ? [20:15]
asciilifeform turns out. [20:15]
asciilifeform spittoon theorem. [20:16]
mircea_popescu incredible. and the 50 years' worth of very useful dweebs pulling on their collective half inch worth of foreskin did what exactly ? [20:16]
mircea_popescu other than fucking everything up. [20:16]
* mircea_popescu has never despised old people this much ever before. and he's famous for despising old people. [20:16]
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asciilifeform if i ever were to learn what - i promise to say [20:16]
asciilifeform 'if i did not see as far as others, it is because midgets stood on my shoulders' (tm) [20:17]
mircea_popescu more like, we're stuck either stepping in dogshit or standing on the shoulders of monkeys. [20:18]
mircea_popescu grandiose shitchoice, what. [20:18]
* Adlai views mircea_popescu as an 'old people' fwiw [20:18]
Adlai this is the beauty of relativity [20:18]
asciilifeform Adlai: who is old? fella with grey in his beard? or someone who can do arithmetic with a pen? or, or ? [20:19]
mircea_popescu i'm not a computer engineer yo. i can be an old philosopher, old businessman, old financial genius, your pick. [20:19]
Adlai asciilifeform: fella old enough to father WoT nodes [20:20]
mircea_popescu old = privileged ? [20:20]
* asciilifeform often experiences mindfuck in u.s. (and argentinian!) 'antique' shops on account of recognizing various objects (razors, furniture, bakelite phones, kitchen junk, etc.) from his childhood (which took place in a technologically and crapflationarily-behind by three or four decades part of the globe) [20:21]
Adlai aha, better definition: old people are less likely to appreciate tatran [20:21]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://33.media.tumblr.com/1ea44b17eb4bd24fad08a6d8be2a7933/tumblr_mpwxdoKMIA1rwmba9o1_500.gif >> check the chick out. she's all indignant but doesn't move a muscle to stop it. [20:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSEz8X ) [20:21]
asciilifeform scam [20:22]
mircea_popescu FC Tatran Prešov ? [20:22]
* Adlai is listening to: Tatran - The Utilitarian (2:28) [20:22]
* Adlai walked thru an openair market specializing in antiques last week, it was a bizarre display of sorted and assorted yet totally useless crap [20:24]
mircea_popescu Adlai not bad i guess. background stuff, not actual music. [20:26]
asciilifeform https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.619592,-58.372561,3a,90y,343.38h,88.95t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQcHu0kFpMZuYQ1vQpk7Jag!2e0!6m1!1e1 << that one [20:26]
assbot Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1I8xW5n ) [20:26]
asciilifeform mercado san telmo ? [20:26]
asciilifeform it. [20:26]
Adlai mircea_popescu: anything seems dead via youtube, or its moral equiv. let's talk after they tour b-as [20:27]
Adlai sadly they are scam by zionism, and just tour back and forth the same 350km [20:28]
Adlai https://vimeo.com/104435652 [20:29]
assbot TATRAN - Anar @ Oppikoppi Festival on Vimeo ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSFoOR ) [20:29]
Adlai (rare exception to the above) [20:29]
Adlai but it's land of the scam. on the topic of which, is there some dibs mechanism for qntrarticles? [20:30]
* Adlai has started research on a potential article, and would like to confirm that effort isn't wasted, or at the very least ,collaborate [20:30]
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mircea_popescu Adlai dibs ? how you mean ? [20:42]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97600 @ 0.00028233 = 27.5554 BTC [+] {2} [20:57]
felipelalli Sorry if this is old, but did you guys see that? https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/5f46da29fd02fd2a8a787286fd6a56f680073770 [20:57]
assbot Hard fork: allow 20MB blocks after 1 March 2016 · gavinandresen/bitcoin-git@5f46da2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1GSIYc2 ) [20:57]
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mircea_popescu guy can do whatever he wants on his personal fork of bitcoin. [20:58]
felipelalli true [20:59]
mircea_popescu anyway, lots of maxsigop gnarl in there, not really worth the mention. [21:01]
mircea_popescu slightly more relevant to bitcoin, http://33.media.tumblr.com/941c9b1776b9109fa66cc4fa6d3b3fcb/tumblr_n20wnbaE3x1rnrgxyo3_500.gif [21:02]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtBcQ ) [21:02]
felipelalli Blockchain for the people! :] [21:03]
felipelalli Blockchain next year: http://www.childwellness.eu/Afbeeldingen_basis/quiz_08_a.JPG [21:03]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtKx0 ) [21:03]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 90951 @ 0.0002684 = 24.4112 BTC [-] [21:04]
mircea_popescu but since we're doing power ranger lulz, http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/bitcoin-dev/logs/2015/05/03#l1430621769 [21:04]
assbot BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1dGtRZp ) [21:04]
mircea_popescu http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/05/03/youll-never-guess-who-is-investing-in-bitcoin.aspx [21:12]
assbot You'll Never Guess Who's Investing in Bitcoin (GS) [21:12]
mircea_popescu circle just diluted early investors even more. [21:12]
mats do they even generate revenue? [21:14]
mircea_popescu in the above form. [21:14]
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decimation asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request? [21:51]
decimation or meet's mircea_popescu's spec? [21:54]
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mircea_popescu !up tailsnuckles [22:11]
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mircea_popescu neighbour got food delivered, entire hallway smells like wet dogs now. [22:11]
tailsnuckles Hello [22:11]
mircea_popescu two days ago, i got them up because it smelled like a gas leak. turns out... they had takeout. [22:12]
mircea_popescu wtf do these people eat. [22:12]
mircea_popescu decimation not so far as could be yet found. [22:12]
mircea_popescu tailsnuckles who're you ? [22:12]
tailsnuckles Franklin [22:15]
decimation I can see a definite use case for people who just want a simple keyserver for themselves, but don't want to join the worldwide gpg mob [22:15]
decimation I suspect the gpg mafia has a political stand on that point [22:15]
mircea_popescu wait it's a mafia ? [22:15]
decimation heh, nerd mafia [22:16]
mircea_popescu i don't get it tho. how ? why ? [22:16]
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assbot dpaste: 0AGDMHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGzj8I ) [22:21]
hanbot !up deedbot- [22:22]
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hanbot !deed http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE [22:22]
assbot dpaste: 0AGDMHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGznFy ) [22:22]
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hanbot deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE [22:23]
deedbot- Bad URL or network outage. [22:23]
assbot dpaste: 0AGDMHE ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXwDQc ) [22:23]
trinque hanbot: needs the text only url [22:23]
trinque just .txt at the end [22:24]
trinque also PSA, deedbot- voices himself now [22:24]
hanbot deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AGDMHE.txt [22:24]
deedbot- rejected: 1 [22:24]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXwMn1 ) [22:24]
trinque hanbot: does it have the key that signed that yet? [22:24]
trinque keys are added the same way [22:24]
hanbot i registered last month iirc [22:25]
trinque the particular key signing that doc needs to be added to deedbot by a WoT member [22:25]
mircea_popescu http://deedbot.org/deed-2015-04-02-19-51-51.txt << trhis made it in somehow [22:27]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXxoJb ) [22:27]
decimation mircea_popescu: my understanding is that the sks servers aggressively share keys [22:27]
mircea_popescu http://www.nber.org/papers/w20171 << tl;dr "internet advertising doesn't do anything" [22:28]
assbot Consumer Heterogeneity and Paid Search Effectiveness: A Large Scale Field Experiment ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXxyAp ) [22:28]
mircea_popescu decimation well yes [22:28]
decimation lol news to nobody I hope [22:28]
mircea_popescu decimation right. except "tech" is currently predicated on "google makes money". [22:28]
trinque mircea_popescu: gpg barfs if I try verifying that by hand [22:28]
mircea_popescu how, pray tell ? and what exactly is the only hope of revenue for fb, twitter and the whole rest of em ? [22:28]
asciilifeform asciilifeform: is there a gpg keyserver that just holds pubkeys, dumps on request? << the sks servs dump, but in this mega-blob format where you get ~25MB of continuous gpg binary packet [22:29]
trinque mircea_popescu: hanbot: teh barf http://dpaste.com/32XP8H9.txt [22:30]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGA2GU ) [22:30]
asciilifeform wtf do these people eat. << kimchi? [22:30]
* asciilifeform lolz at mircea_popescu having moved into a flat, just as asciilifeform moved out of one [22:30]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform i like flats. [22:30]
asciilifeform why [22:30]
hanbot thanks trinque. i'm prolly stupiding somewhere, lookin'. [22:30]
asciilifeform let me guess - can get 20 of them, and move around ? [22:31]
mircea_popescu im a town guy , what can i tell you. [22:31]
trinque could be you, could be me; we'll find out eh? [22:31]
trinque hanbot: ^ [22:31]
mircea_popescu not that many houses one block away from the topological city centre [22:31]
asciilifeform aha yeah. [22:31]
trinque meanwhile the old one verifies by hand [22:31]
asciilifeform though, i did see some warehousy run-down boxes begging for habitation [22:31]
asciilifeform you could probably smelt aluminum in there and nobody'd notice. [22:32]
mircea_popescu hanbot "Bets resolved from earlier placing periods: 1123, 1108, 1119, 803 " wtf is shit doing past the sig [22:32]
trinque doesn't verify with that bit removed either [22:32]
mircea_popescu decimation meanwhile in lalaland, http://www.iab.net/media/file/IAB_Internet_Advertising_Revenue_FY_2014.pdf "Internet advertising revenues (“revenues”) in the United States totaled $49.5 billion for the full year of 2014, with [22:33]
mircea_popescu Q4 2014 accounting for approximately $14.2 billion and Q3 2014 accounting for approximately $12.2 billion. [22:33]
mircea_popescu Revenues for the full year of 2014 increased 16% over 2013. [22:33]
mircea_popescu " [22:33]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGAjK5 ) [22:33]
hanbot yeh i've crufted it up. to be continued. [22:34]
mircea_popescu anyway, more on point : i'm cooking up the advertising plan for eulora since it's about to come out. i intend to run it basically on a charitable basis, run ads on linux-dedicated stuffs that seem reasonable. if any of you got a place that fits feel free to send me a note. [22:36]
hanbot deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0QNFJVT.txt [22:39]
deedbot- accepted: 1 [22:39]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGATYk ) [22:39]
hanbot there we go. thanks all! [22:40]
tailsnuckles Hello [22:40]
* assbot gives voice to BingoBoingo [22:40]
tailsnuckles Whats up [22:41]
mircea_popescu in other news, google is a piece of shit. [22:41]
tailsnuckles Mircea_popescu i am aka meowmix [22:42]
mircea_popescu for instance : i wrote about a talented romanian dude, two years ago. https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=silviu+gherman+firmele+lui&complete=0 << his site ? #4. my post ? #5. 1-3 ? facebook. [22:42]
assbot silviu gherman firmele lui - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGB5XC ) [22:42]
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mircea_popescu because why ? because fuckall, "algorithm" consists of (set facebook, wikipedia, ebay on top). [22:42]
asciilifeform Sorry if this is old, but did you guys see that? https://github.com/gavinandresen/bitcoin-git/commit/5f46da29fd02fd2a8a787286fd6a56f680073770 << axe-time, sword-time, wind-time, wolf-time... [22:42]
assbot Hard fork: allow 20MB blocks after 1 March 2016 · gavinandresen/bitcoin-git@5f46da2 · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGB99z ) [22:42]
mircea_popescu https://www.google.com.ar/search?q=webmaster+forum&complete=0 << check that one out. [22:42]
assbot webmaster forum - Buscar con Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGBaKS ) [22:42]
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mircea_popescu FIVE forums with exactly 0 relevancy of any kind, spammed into index. [22:43]
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mircea_popescu it doesn't work. [22:43]
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mircea_popescu if they pick results by hand they get results picked by hand. if they try to "algorithm" they get OWNED by the seo spammers. [22:43]
trinque probably tuned by traffic numbers slurped from google analytics too [22:44]
asciilifeform l0l herr meowmix with a cloak at last [22:44]
trinque which more or less seems like google == reddit at that point [22:44]
asciilifeform can we get him in wot ? [22:44]
felipelalli what should be the first result in this case in your opinion? [22:45]
mircea_popescu felipelalli in any case no dubious forum with 5k posts eh ? [22:45]
mircea_popescu whatever they're called, point-something or the other. [22:45]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKfpfsRsT-4 << this being the dude. [22:46]
assbot Manuscrisul meu - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zGBwRv ) [22:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32500 @ 0.00028367 = 9.2193 BTC [+] {2} [22:47]
hanbot mircea_popescu artgorithm imitates life, go out and search for a "pizza", how many hits til you get something edible? [22:47]
mircea_popescu but how many of them are cat litter ? [22:47]
hanbot if "cat litter" = that which a cat would piss on before eating, most? [22:48]
mircea_popescu lol [22:48]
mircea_popescu I GOT NOTHING [22:48]
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decimation lol $49 bil for internet ads [23:06]
mircea_popescu inb4 "it could buy ISIS!111" [23:07]
decimation how is the ad industry not a giant leech on the productive, like lawyers? [23:07]
mircea_popescu who's productive yo ? [23:08]
mircea_popescu everyone else just contributes to costs! the ad industry contributes to revenue!!11 [23:08]
decimation heh [23:08]
decimation It would be interesting to see an index which divides the us gdp by the aggregate spending on lawyers, marketing, and accountancy [23:08]
decimation or rather than gdp, total corporate revenue [23:09]
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asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5MSqrK5Tbo << unrelated [23:24]
assbot 一式陸攻清掃 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNF6UU ) [23:24]
asciilifeform ^ but reminiscent of our 'open source' archaeological misadventures. [23:24]
mircea_popescu is that vietnam ? [23:25]
decimation asciilifeform: highly likely to be scavanged and sold to the collector's market for parts [23:25]
asciilifeform if comments are to be believed, is on some godforsakenisland [23:26]
decimation although I suspect the japanese version of the market is different than the us one... [23:26]
asciilifeform ballale island, supposedly. [23:26]
decimation apparently the us collectors go adventuring in various backward islands in oceania where planes were crashed/buried/etc [23:27]
asciilifeform http://www.solomontimes.com/news/removal-of-wwii-relics-in-solomons/967 [23:28]
assbot Removal of WWII Relics in Solomons - Solomon Times Online [23:28]
decimation it's big business to sell the parts to folks who want to 'restore' old aircraft [23:28]
asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKbV4sSPHvc << claims it was -all- sold for 50kusd. [23:29]
assbot Solomon Island Relics - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNFH93 ) [23:29]
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* asciilifeform wonders if it was paid in bejies or coke [23:29]
asciilifeform *benjies [23:29]
decimation heh yeah that sounds cheap [23:30]
decimation I would like to see a collection of working german and russian aircraft [23:30]
decimation the only decent display I've seen is the smithsonian at dulles [23:31]
asciilifeform afaik most of what is flying, from that period, is 'cheating' with modern parts [23:31]
decimation yeah I recently visited a workshop where they rebuild wwii aircraft [23:32]
decimation they admitted that they are around 40% 'original' [23:32]
decimation most of the parts are replicas hand-built to fit [23:32]
decimation according to the wiki only two full Stukas exist https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_87 [23:36]
assbot Junkers Ju 87 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1I6BKT3 ) [23:36]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35272 @ 0.00027623 = 9.7432 BTC [-] {2} [23:52]
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