Forum logs for 03 Mar 2015

Sunday, 24 November, Year 11 d.Tr. | Author: Mircea Popescu
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amhash-reports-theft-bitcoin-mining-equipment/ [00:17]
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scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/amhash-reports-theft-of-bitcoin-mining-equipment/ [00:22]
scoopbot New post on Qntra.net by cazalla: http://qntra.net/2015/03/europol-bitcoin-will-intersect-with-organised-crime-political-movements-technology-others/ [00:22]
cazalla just because you missed some earlier, doesn't mean you can repeat newer ones to make up for it scoopbot [00:23]
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decimation !seen peterL [00:35]
decimation ;;seen peterl [00:35]
gribble peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 7 hours, 15 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: !up hktud0 [00:35]
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scoopbot New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu: http://trilema.com/2015/no-such-labs-snsa-february-2015-statement/ [00:43]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 74400 @ 0.00038006 = 28.2765 BTC [-] {2} [00:57]
asciilifeform woah scoopbot... works [01:02]
asciilifeform amazing! [01:03]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [01:03]
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mod6 http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html [01:05]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNKCVN ) [01:05]
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asciilifeform mod6: neato! [01:07]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41600 @ 0.00039881 = 16.5905 BTC [+] [01:07]
ben_vulpes mod6: deed it up? [01:08]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70800 @ 0.00037874 = 26.8148 BTC [-] {3} [01:08]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu, others: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2015/03/financial-collapse-leads-to-war.html << on the subject of usg's habit of losing wars [01:09]
assbot ClubOrlov: Financial collapse leads to war ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNLSrH ) [01:09]
asciilifeform 'Looking at this broad landscape of failure, there are two ways to interpret it. One is that the US officialdom is the most incompetent one imaginable, and can't ever get anything right. But another is that they do not succeed for a distinctly different reason: they don't succeed because results don't matter. You see, if failure were a problem, then there would be some sort of pressure coming from somewhere or other within the [01:11]
asciilifeform establishment, and that pressure to succeed might sporadically give rise to improved performance, leading to at least a few instances of success. But if in fact failure is no problem at all, and if instead there was some sort of pressure to fail, then we would see exactly what we do see.' [01:11]
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mod6 deedbot-: add-deed http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000055.html [01:14]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNNnq0 ) [01:14]
mod6 how do you view the deeds? [01:15]
trinque !up deedbot- [01:16]
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trinque mod6: they go out once an hour to deedbot.org [01:16]
mod6 sweet, thx [01:17]
trinque mod6: for now you'll need to stick things on dpaste to get deedbot to eat them [01:17]
trinque I'm going to fix that in a bit [01:17]
mod6 ok [01:17]
trinque mod6: you'll also need to add your key with add-key the same way [01:18]
trinque as a dpaste [01:18]
mod6 the entire pub-key or just a fingerprint? [01:18]
trinque mod6: the pubkey itself [01:18]
trinque though I can take eating key fingerprints as a feature request [01:19]
mod6 i think the whole thing is fine [01:19]
trinque I'm going to make it just deedbot- http://dpaste/whatever.txt too [01:19]
mod6 deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC [01:19]
assbot dpaste: 1QX85DC ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNOQg3 ) [01:19]
trinque deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt [01:19]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNORR5 ) [01:19]
deedbot- imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF [01:19]
mod6 deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0ZSET3M [01:20]
trinque needs the non HTML page [01:20]
deedbot- rejected: 1 [01:20]
assbot dpaste: 0ZSET3M ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNOW7k ) [01:20]
trinque mod6: same deal there, add .txt [01:20]
mod6 ah [01:20]
trinque I also have a mental ticket for that [01:20]
mod6 deedbot-: add-key http://dpaste.com/1QX85DC.txt [01:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNP6vp ) [01:20]
deedbot- imported: 027A8D7C0FB8A16643720F40721705A8B71EADAF [01:20]
mod6 deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/0ZSET3M.txt [01:20]
deedbot- rejected: 1 [01:20]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNPbiJ ) [01:20]
trinque interesting, let me see if I can verify that signature myself [01:21]
mod6 ok [01:21]
trinque what key signed that? [01:21]
mod6 that same key [01:22]
mod6 that i just imported to deedbot [01:22]
mod6 my otc key [01:22]
trinque indeed, something else is wrong [01:23]
trinque I'll fix it and then publish that for you [01:24]
mod6 np. but you were able to verify the sig of the Monthy Address yourself right? I checked it and it verified for me just fine... [01:24]
trinque mod6: correct, it verified for me by hand [01:24]
mod6 cool. thanks for your work on deedbot :] [01:24]
trinque no problemo! [01:25]
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mircea_popescu scoopbot -fetch [01:34]
mircea_popescu meh only takes the latest one huh [01:35]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35000 @ 0.00039904 = 13.9664 BTC [+] {2} [01:37]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 101082 @ 0.00040986 = 41.4295 BTC [+] {2} [01:38]
trinque mod6: lol I filled the disk doing an emerge -uDN @world [01:38]
trinque one sec [01:39]
mircea_popescu "Egypt has been democratically reformed into a military dictatorship. " [01:39]
mircea_popescu lol. then again, egypt was a military dictatorship under the mubarak dude, who wrested egypt in a coup from the... previous military dictator. [01:40]
mircea_popescu place's gotta do what it's gotta do. [01:40]
decimation what about $bil's of bezzle? that helps too [01:40]
decimation http://www.andreas-unterberger.at/2013/05/buecherverbrennungen-damals-und-heute/ < good quote "Johannes Gross, einer der klügsten deutschen Journalisten, schrieb: „Je länger das Dritte Reich tot ist, umso stärker wird der Widerstand gegen Hitler und die Seinen.”" [01:41]
assbot Bücherverbrennungen damals und heute ... ( http://bit.ly/1wNUqyP ) [01:41]
mircea_popescu uh. [01:42]
mircea_popescu im not even sure what that's supposed to mean [01:43]
decimation Johannes Gross, one of the smartest German journalists, wrote: The longer the third reich is dead, the greater the resistance against hitler and his ilk becomes" [01:43]
decimation the point is that being anti-nazi is easy and super popular today [01:43]
mircea_popescu but i mean... [01:43]
decimation not so much in 1943 [01:43]
mircea_popescu this is patently untrue. [01:43]
mircea_popescu being anti-nazi was the thing in 1943. today... would you not fuck a nazi ? [01:44]
decimation heh [01:44]
decimation in berlin it's otherwise [01:44]
mircea_popescu you know, berlin women got raped by the soviets mostly. [01:44]
mircea_popescu and that's quite similar : the soviets were impopular in 1990, more so than in 2010. [01:45]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform it's at least rethorically seductive, this theory. "the us is basically emo, it wants to fail." [01:45]
decimation yeah but I don't think it 'wants to fail' because of a secret cabal of financiers [01:46]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8218 @ 0.00041114 = 3.3787 BTC [+] [01:46]
thestringpuller lol mircea_popescu there is not going to be a test server for experimental anymore? [01:46]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller not open. [01:46]
decimation I think it wants to fail because it cannot imagine otherwise [01:46]
mircea_popescu well... being emo, right ? [01:46]
mircea_popescu failure is oddly satisfying. [01:47]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: what about the future assets pipeline? that going to be rolled straight into beta server? [01:47]
mircea_popescu nope [01:48]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: 'eulora accounts' << "isambard vulpes" sil vous plait [01:48]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes defo. [01:48]
decimation ben_vulpes: if you ever end up in london you can visit Herr Brunel's tunnel [01:49]
mod6 trinque: heheh. np. [01:49]
mircea_popescu "Now, supposing a financial oligarchy has seized control of the country, and, since it can't control its own appetites" such nonsense. what appetites ? [01:49]
mircea_popescu i got more harems than horowitz. [01:49]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: you ever heard of TurboSquid? [01:50]
mircea_popescu nop. [01:50]
ben_vulpes decimation: next time i'm in london i expect to see all sorts of historical engineering bits [01:51]
mircea_popescu "Military success is unimportant, because failure is even better for maintaining order by forcing through various emergency security measures than success." << this is known as the "north korea" versio of us future. because obviously best kim is in a state of imagined war with an imagined world. [01:51]
mircea_popescu it seems improbable, but hey. [01:51]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: now for to find some time to 'play' 'games' [01:51]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes consider it gambling. [01:51]
mircea_popescu Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” << i said this a number of times, but it bears repeating : if this happens every usg employee, past or present, hangs by his guts. [01:53]
mircea_popescu that is a literal rather than metaphorical description. [01:53]
thestringpuller mircea_popescu: pretty sure you've described the bitcoin version of it here: http://trilema.com/2014/smg-april-2014-statement/ [01:54]
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mircea_popescu thestringpuller "bitcoin version of it' what ? [01:55]
decimation you know after the national convention took over and started calling for massive troop levies, the Vendée rose up with pitchforks and starting executing anyone who appeared to be a revolutionary [01:55]
thestringpuller " strategically speaking I intend to create a digital services marketplace, and would very much like to use the large and varied needs of Eulora acquisition to seed that platform" [01:55]
thestringpuller That pretty much is turbosquid just, with USD. [01:56]
decimation this happened mere months after the revolution was proclaimed to be 'of the people', 'for human rights', 'freedom', etc [01:56]
mircea_popescu thestringpuller aha. [01:56]
mircea_popescu unless turbosquid guy shows up in wot turbosquid dun exist. [01:57]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: well that doesn't sound like any fun now [01:57]
mircea_popescu decimation this is true. [01:57]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes im tryin to help. [01:57]
decimation so my question is: why doesn't this happen in the us - all sorts of crazy 'reforms' are pushed down by the center [01:57]
ben_vulpes "don't put yr pennies down, kid. you'll just lose 'em". [01:57]
mircea_popescu decimation probably because no instructive website yet ? [01:58]
mircea_popescu same reason dating's so hard [01:58]
decimation and another question: is it possible for a universal suffrage democracy to tolerate actual dissent? [01:59]
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thestringpuller mircea_popescu: this raises and interesting question, hypothetically TurboSquid is WoT endorsed company. Would the artists be required to be WoT endorsed too? [01:59]
mircea_popescu well yeah. [02:00]
asciilifeform a 'turbosquid' ought not to be anything but a powered, peristaltic, multi-tentacular autodildatron. [02:00]
mircea_popescu why hate the celenterate! [02:00]
asciilifeform pet: 'i agree with this statement' [02:01]
ben_vulpes peristaltic! [02:01]
ben_vulpes ? [02:01]
ben_vulpes turbo?! [02:01]
ben_vulpes no.d [02:01]
mircea_popescu peristalsis is a bowel movement. [02:01]
ben_vulpes a million times no. [02:01]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu is not thinking of the rest of anatomy [02:02]
asciilifeform not only bowel [02:02]
asciilifeform anyway, travelling-wave dildo doesn't seem to exist, and i never knew why [02:02]
mircea_popescu well just like infarction without further specification is cardiac infarction... [02:03]
ben_vulpes traveling wave dildo? [02:04]
asciilifeform (much unexplored design space in dildonics. for instance, a cylindrical/topologically-toroidal 'conveyor' with belt that recirculates through inner hollow, could product impression of infinite length) [02:04]
asciilifeform *produce [02:04]
ben_vulpes i think augur designs exist approximating this. [02:05]
asciilifeform ben_vulpes: auger ? [02:05]
ben_vulpes but you'll have to tell me how effective they are, asciilifeform. [02:05]
ben_vulpes yes, yes. [02:05]
mircea_popescu asciilifeform amusingly, i actually had this design made, and tried on live girls. [02:05]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: ! [02:05]
asciilifeform how'd it go?! [02:05]
asciilifeform and which - toroidal, or wave ? [02:06]
mircea_popescu best intro to fisting. [02:06]
mircea_popescu basically a flatish torus, looks like a cylinder from outside [02:06]
asciilifeform don't suppose a photo was published ? [02:07]
mircea_popescu was not. fucking complicated even without involving the cameras. [02:07]
mircea_popescu its main advantage tho, is that it reduces any need for friction. [02:08]
asciilifeform damnit, here i was, thinking i'd actually invented something useful, l0l [02:08]
mircea_popescu well what, invented a geometric shape ? [02:08]
mircea_popescu it's not 500bc anymore, you know. [02:08]
asciilifeform neh [02:08]
asciilifeform the idea of toroidal 'belt sander' as dildatron [02:08]
mircea_popescu more like track than belt sander rly. [02:09]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly, http://31.media.tumblr.com/657bb727d9237bf557266ca15de00fa5/tumblr_n8uf9fngfP1qb139no1_400.gif [02:10]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn3Rwm ) [02:10]
mircea_popescu no, actually, i got a much better one. http://38.media.tumblr.com/0eed9dc2858247e231736ceb94b53e0e/tumblr_ncmqux4dvb1s11mtco1_400.gif [02:10]
mircea_popescu PERISTALSIS! [02:11]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn3SR6 ) [02:11]
asciilifeform the subject on the right looks like an anthropomorphic 'cock'n'balls' [02:11]
asciilifeform very mindfuck [02:11]
trinque mod6: uploaded at http://deedbot.org/345939-1B3Sfa4h9hTPweMuCKPYyHQ9kH6ij3Zkwn.txt [02:15]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Cn4INA ) [02:15]
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mod6 trinque: awesome thanks! [02:21]
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assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43134 @ 0.00037724 = 16.2719 BTC [-] {3} [02:34]
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mircea_popescu til yahoo owns tumblr [02:55]
thestringpuller ? [02:55]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: http://www.loper-os.org/pub/infinitum.gif [03:21]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nb7Uzd ) [03:21]
mircea_popescu exactly. [03:21]
asciilifeform srsly !?! [03:22]
mircea_popescu yep [03:22]
asciilifeform the 64-quintillion-zimbabwollar question being, [03:22]
asciilifeform which direction did they prefer [03:22]
asciilifeform infinitum-in or infinitum-out [03:22]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 97594 @ 0.00041605 = 40.604 BTC [+] {2} [03:22]
asciilifeform 'peristaltic' version is exactly the above, except the track is of non-uniform thickness (roughly sinusoidal along its length) [03:28]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16250 @ 0.00041174 = 6.6908 BTC [-] [03:29]
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asciilifeform and there is no reason why this apparatus - or a slightly scaled down one - could not function as a 'milking machine' [03:30]
cazalla mircea_popescu, that is ofn and yahoo paid a pretty penny from memory [03:30]
* asciilifeform had the idea roughly a decade ago, but no application. [03:31]
mircea_popescu cazalla seems so yea [03:31]
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asciilifeform !up Vexual [03:36]
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asciilifeform decimation: https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/18/2013-27343/special-conditions-boeing-model-777-200--300-and--300er-series-airplanes-aircraft-electronic-system << lulzies ! [03:39]
assbot Federal Register | Special Conditions: Boeing Model 777-200, -300, and -300ER Series Airplanes; Aircraft Electronic System Security Protection From Unauthorized Internal Access ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKMNPP ) [03:39]
asciilifeform 'The proposed architecture is novel or unusual for commercial transport airplanes by enabling connection to previously isolated data networks connected to systems that perform functions required for the safe operation of the airplane.' [03:40]
asciilifeform (Monday, November 18, 2013) [03:40]
Vexual why can't i catch a nuke sub to somewhere? [03:44]
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cazalla Vexual, we don't have em here do we? [03:45]
Vexual nope, we can't even make a canoe [03:45]
Vexual we do, but they are very noisy [03:46]
cazalla collins class? they are diesel [03:46]
Vexual yah, right [03:46]
asciilifeform http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/02/13/faa-says-commercial-drone-operators-need-exemption-but-doesnt-prosecute-those-flying-without-one << official liar lies, suddenly making the story considerably more interesting [03:46]
assbot FAA Says Commercial Drone Operators Need Exemption. But Doesn't Prosecute Those Flying Without One. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKObBK ) [03:46]
Vexual its an and or thing [03:47]
asciilifeform these fuckwads can't just shut up, it seems [03:47]
asciilifeform wrong link [03:47]
asciilifeform http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngoglia/2015/02/25/hijacking-malaysia-airlines-flight-370-from-electronics-bay-not-possible [03:48]
assbot Hijacking Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 From Electronics Bay? Not Possible. - Forbes ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKOsoz ) [03:48]
asciilifeform ^ correct link [03:48]
ben_vulpes Vexual: you're a...nuke canoe! nuke canoe! [03:49]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: those girls were south korean iirc [03:56]
gabriel_laddel anyways, all chinese girls are ugly? [03:57]
gabriel_laddel nonsense [03:57]
gabriel_laddel .chinabait [03:57]
Vexual lol [03:57]
Vexual wanna buy a prisma? [03:58]
gabriel_laddel http://imgur.com/m860SUq,Fnz6qrS [03:58]
assbot Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKQdBZ ) [03:58]
gabriel_laddel http://imgur.com/m860SUq,Fnz6qrS#1 [03:58]
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gabriel_laddel ^ she is Chinese. [03:58]
Vexual no shit [03:59]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: take'em to usa and feed for six months or so (not longer!) [03:59]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: nah, the Chinese have a class system thing going on. [03:59]
cazalla gabriel_laddel, 2nd looks a bit haggard [03:59]
gabriel_laddel they elites eat well [03:59]
gabriel_laddel lol it's the same girl [03:59]
Vexual cazalla, shes evidently pretty [03:59]
asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: complicated. phytoestrogens in rice, soy are part of the story [04:00]
gabriel_laddel and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo [04:00]
asciilifeform so not purely matter of malnutrition [04:00]
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gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: ah, do elaborate [04:00]
cazalla gabriel_laddel, did ya bang her? [04:00]
gabriel_laddel no [04:00]
* asciilifeform bedtime [04:00]
* asciilifeform invites interested readers to carry out own inquiries [04:00]
gabriel_laddel lame [04:00]
cazalla my missus has a china doll in her mum's group, she is one of the best chinese women i've seen and we have truckloads of em here down under [04:01]
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gabriel_laddel pics? [04:01]
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ben_vulpes A PETE [04:02]
cazalla gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P [04:02]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: thanks for that adams short. [04:02]
ben_vulpes i read it to lady v on our morning stroll for great lulz. [04:02]
gabriel_laddel cazalla: wtf is this 'asking' you speak of [04:03]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: ha! she enjoyed it i take it ? [04:03]
ben_vulpes cazalla: yeah, just crack open the girl's facebook [04:03]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: and if she hadn't it'd have been educational regardless [04:03]
ben_vulpes wait hang on there was context for this conversation [04:03]
cazalla gabriel_laddel, maybe one day if she moves away or they're no longer friends but would be a bit strange for me to share pics of her on irc [04:04]
gabriel_laddel lolk. I'm sorta half joking (and sorta half not). [04:05]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56gpwl6cohc [04:05]
ben_vulpes i'm not [04:05]
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ben_vulpes cazalla: come now, nobody knows who you are or the girls are [04:05]
gabriel_laddel lol [04:06]
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ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO [04:06]
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pete_dushenski lol perfect [04:06]
ben_vulpes i see this sign every morning, yet this morning it brought to mind your...reprinting of the adams short. [04:07]
Vexual strawberry dog poo petey [04:07]
pete_dushenski the number of spoon-feeding, hand-holding signs present in the western world is atrocious [04:07]
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gabriel_laddel !up Vexual [04:07]
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Vexual thnaks gab [04:08]
pete_dushenski douglas adams is a charming way of overcoming the rage [04:08]
Vexual isn't he dead? [04:08]
pete_dushenski yes [04:09]
pete_dushenski "We are also in the process of forming partnerships with third parties in the industry; George, Jutta and myself managing this process; I’m happy to announce that at least three exchanges will be supporting Ether from day one on their trading platforms (details of which we’ll annouce soon), with more exchanges to follow." [04:09]
pete_dushenski "I also finished the first draft of ICAP, the Ethereum Inter-exchange Client Address Protocol, an IBAN-compatible system for referencing and transacting to client accounts aimed to streamline the process of transfering funds, worry-free between exchanges and, ultimately, make KYC and AML pains a thing of the past." [04:09]
pete_dushenski "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and events, the latter providing h [04:09]
pete_dushenski assle-free state-change reporting." [04:09]
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pete_dushenski Since our blockchain has a number of important differences with the Bitcoin blockchain (mainly in transaction density), stemming from the extremely short 12s block time we’re aiming for, we would have to use not the blockchain data itself like Hashimoto but rather an artifcially created dataset, done with an algorithm known as Dagger (yes, some will remember it as Vitalik’s first and flawed attempt at a memo [04:10]
pete_dushenski ry-hard proof-of-work). [04:10]
pete_dushenski While this looked like a good direction to be going in, a swift audit of Vitalik and Matt’s initial algorithm by Tim Hughes (ex-Director of Technology at Frontier Developments and expert in low-level CPU and GPU operation and optimisation) showed major flaws. " [04:10]
pete_dushenski "When deep in nitty gritty of development you sometimes forget quite how world-altering the technology you’re creating is, which is probably just as well since the gravity of the matter at hand would be continually distracting. " [04:11]
pete_dushenski via https://blog.ethereum.org/2015/03/02/gavs-ethereum-d%CE%BEv-update-v/ [04:11]
assbot | [04:11]
gabriel_laddel die [04:11]
pete_dushenski the above quotes being for posterity [04:11]
pete_dushenski and lulz [04:11]
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pete_dushenski given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant [04:12]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/ << march 15, 2015 [04:12]
assbot A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum's Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKT3XF ) [04:12]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6JYzOjglBs [04:18]
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ben_vulpes ah cool [04:19]
ben_vulpes so they baked "free usg thermorecal exams" into the protocol [04:20]
ben_vulpes thermorectal [04:20]
ben_vulpes i can't even be fucking arsed. [04:20]
punkman ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/CWCOGkO << I like it, but needs more shaming [04:20]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: btw, many SK girls get plastic surgery to look more western. If you ever spend enough time with them you'll start to see the differences between koreans and 'koreans' [04:22]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmugSMBh_iI [04:24]
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Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuJQSAiODqI [04:29]
punkman http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/france-wants-companies-to-make-appliances-that-last-longer/2015/03/02/b39b326e-c0fa-11e4-a188-8e4971d37a8d_story.html [04:36]
assbot France wants companies to make appliances that last longer - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1EcXo6h ) [04:36]
ben_vulpes babe's got great tits [04:36]
ben_vulpes pretty bad dancing in that video tho [04:37]
pete_dushenski "Criminals in the US are using the new Apple Pay mobile payment system to buy high-value goods – often from Apple Stores – with stolen identities and credit card details." << le shock! [04:37]
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pete_dushenski "The crooks have not broken the secure encryption around Apple Pay’s fingerprint-activated wireless payment mechanism. Instead, they are setting up new iPhones with stolen personal information, and then calling banks to “provision” the victim’s card on the phone to use it to buy goods. " [04:38]
pete_dushenski but it's somehow cash that's dangerous [04:38]
pete_dushenski because reasons. [04:39]
punkman http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html [04:39]
assbot 2014 Financial Statement XBRL Files and Annual Report ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKXEsR ) [04:39]
cazalla who eats the chargeback? apple? [04:39]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116348 @ 0.00040555 = 47.1849 BTC [-] {4} [04:41]
pete_dushenski cazalla: i'm guessing banks issuing the credit cards [04:41]
punkman more likely whoever owns the apple store [04:43]
pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/mar/02/apple-pay-mobile-payment-system-scammers << for more details [04:43]
assbot Apple Pay: a new frontier for scammers | Technology | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1GKYje1 ) [04:43]
pete_dushenski "Abraham says: “Fraud in Apple Pay… came as a surprise to all” " << mhm. right. [04:43]
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fluffypony pete_dushenski: analogous to "The fraud came as a surprise. He seemed like such a nice guy. I definitely didn't expect him to scam anyone." [04:50]
pete_dushenski yup. 'he had such a friendly smile' [04:51]
fluffypony 'as he stabbed me and raped my bloody corpse' [04:51]
mircea_popescu i step away for one second and what happens! [05:03]
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punkman !up roseebit [05:04]
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mircea_popescu ello roseebit [05:05]
pete_dushenski "Pete, you should either give your money to a qualified money manager or go back to work." << kids and their ideas about success [05:07]
mircea_popescu cazalla / bingoboingo : just in case you were wondering where the ftp server went, turns out cpanel decided to upgrade stuff on the 23rd, failed to get pureftpd upgraded correctly, decided it's no longer needed and nuked it. [05:07]
mircea_popescu i've had it resolved. [05:07]
pete_dushenski 'you've been a successful investor for 15 years but that was just luck so you should trust a random hobo now' [05:07]
mircea_popescu o wait you have ? [05:07]
pete_dushenski me ? ya [05:08]
mircea_popescu 15 years that means since you were what, 16 ? [05:09]
pete_dushenski 13 [05:09]
chetty can't be having people do things, must have experts and authorities run our lives you know [05:09]
pete_dushenski and it was really more like 11, just rounding ;) [05:09]
mircea_popescu respek ma autoritah! [05:09]
mircea_popescu https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gx4jn77VKlQ [05:10]
assbot Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnHhUs ) [05:10]
pete_dushenski ya i started trading stocks on my parents' accounts before i was much interested in girls [05:10]
pete_dushenski or maybe it was around the same time [05:10]
pete_dushenski hmm, a theory developeth [05:11]
pete_dushenski mircea_popescu: lol [05:11]
pete_dushenski http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/23/how-the-adage-time-is-money-and-the-existence-of-google-prove-that-facebook-is-worth-less-than-dust/#comment-11997 << thread re: my unwarranted self-confidence as an investor [05:12]
assbot How the adage “time is money” and the existence of Google+ prove that Facebook is worth less than dust. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1GL3HgY ) [05:12]
pete_dushenski it's mostly that brandon morin derp again, he of 'nazis aren't socialists' fame [05:13]
pete_dushenski well, as much 'fame' as random, non-WoT commenters on contravex can have [05:14]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 151700 @ 0.0003749 = 56.8723 BTC [-] {4} [05:14]
ben_vulpes two links for your review: [05:15]
ben_vulpes http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html [05:15]
assbot Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg ) [05:15]
ben_vulpes http://reactionwheel.net/2009/04/why-bankers-will-continue-to-make-just.html [05:15]
assbot Why Bankers Will Continue to Make Just as Much as They Used To | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIzyT ) [05:15]
ben_vulpes i've read them, found them interesting and full of insight, but submit them for the forum for my own education. [05:15]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: to the second one, i reply 'bankers aren't the bad guys (tm)' [05:16]
pete_dushenski relevant: http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/19/bankers-arent-the-bad-guys/ [05:16]
assbot Bankers aren’t the bad guys. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnJ3oD ) [05:16]
* pete_dushenski cuts himself off from more contravex links. that's enough for one evening. [05:17]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes ima read it. [05:18]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039444 << oic! [05:19]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 06:56:08; gabriel_laddel: and I know her irl, she is drunk in the 2nd photo [05:19]
ben_vulpes pete_dushenski: bankers being bad guys or not is really not part of the linked piece. [05:20]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039455 << you can link her to source, so as to explain why you want em. im sure she'll love the logs :D [05:20]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 06:58:20; cazalla: gabriel_laddel, sure, just let me ask the missus for pics of her friend from facebook :P [05:20]
ben_vulpes it's more about returns to "talent" vs return to equity. [05:20]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: to my eye that article is about why the author doesn't like 'the market' [05:22]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039482 << pass teh bud brothar. [05:23]
pete_dushenski when in fact that market is a result of too many and too perverse of regulations, not the result of a lack regulation [05:23]
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assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 07:05:35; pete_dushenski: "Proof-of-Concept releases VII and VIII were released. NatSpec, “natural language specification format” and the basis of our transaction security was prototyped and integrated. Under Marek’s watch, now helped by Fabian, ethereum.js is truly coming of age with a near source-level compatibility with Solidity on contract interaction and support for the typed ABI with calling and ev [05:23]
mircea_popescu pete_dushenski: given that mp's short contract date is fast approaching, this seems quite relevant << kinda irrelevant, seeing how NOBODY.ACTUALLY.BOUGHT. [05:24]
mircea_popescu not as much as a dime's worth. [05:24]
mircea_popescu for all the pretense that there's "investment" in this nonsense. [05:24]
ben_vulpes !up Vexual [05:25]
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* Vexual remwmbers [05:26]
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ben_vulpes replaced it with dicks in blondes mouth [05:26]
Vexual oooch [05:26]
pete_dushenski ben_vulpes: "The money has to go somewhere" << this argument is also be based on 'the problem of too much money' [05:26]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039515 xml xsd god have mercy. [05:27]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 07:35:10; punkman: http://berkshirehathaway.com/2014ar/linksannual14.html [05:27]
pete_dushenski the idea that bankers are inflating dollars of their own volition is a bit off [05:27]
mircea_popescu they're going to publish their reports in wrigley next. [05:27]
pete_dushenski on the inside of a silvery wrapper [05:27]
[]bot Bet placed: 3 BTC for Yes on "BTC to top $500 before 1st May" http://bitbet.us/bet/1120/ Odds: 27(Y):73(N) by coin, 25(Y):75(N) by weight. Total bet: 50.93535957 BTC. Current weight: 76,696. [05:28]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1l0xpkk0yaQ [05:28]
pete_dushenski ;;ticker [05:28]
gribble Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 276.06, Best ask: 276.4, Bid-ask spread: 0.34000, Last trade: 276.06, 24 hour volume: 69390.59382616, 24 hour low: 258.98, 24 hour high: 279.92, 24 hour vwap: None [05:29]
pete_dushenski "In an interview with Reuters, Obama said he was concerned about Beijing's plans for a far-reaching counterterrorism law that would require technology firms to hand over encryption keys, the passcodes that help protect data, and install security "backdoors" in their systems to give Chinese authorities surveillance access." << 'but it worked for the us (tm)' [05:29]
mircea_popescu lol [05:29]
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mircea_popescu for the record, being chinese doesn't make them special. they get as much access as obama gets. [05:30]
Vexual here here [05:30]
mircea_popescu in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/aa13ad927f6b26d190b1d5440478a721/tumblr_nc9kj7QjZj1tq8yp3o1_1280.jpg [05:31]
assbot ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnMCLA ) [05:31]
Vexual the lass is verily full [05:31]
pete_dushenski 7 months ? [05:31]
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mircea_popescu could be 10. [05:32]
Vexual ripe [05:32]
pete_dushenski if she were an elephant [05:32]
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cazalla mircea_popescu, lol nothing i say here would surprise the missus sharing pics of her friends would be one step too far, even for me [05:34]
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cazalla missed a , there [05:35]
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mircea_popescu well... i'll take your word re the babydoll then. [05:36]
ben_vulpes ;;later tell pete_dushenski the man is complaining about tin women ffs [05:36]
ben_vulpes anyways as a point of data, it's year 1.5ish of this insane enterprise, and i'm just now beginning to approach the salary of a "programmer" in my geographic region. [05:37]
gribble The operation succeeded. [05:37]
mircea_popescu lol wd. [05:38]
Vexual im on the same money as one year ago [05:39]
cazalla the new australian chinese mums have a good scheme going on.. their mothers come here from china to cook/clean etc for a year so new mum can take it easy, explains why all all the other mums look tired but this china doll looks as good as ever [05:39]
ben_vulpes mircea_popescu: dude on one hand i constantly bemoan this: 'oh if only i were just freelancing i'd be rolling in the dough' [05:40]
mircea_popescu this is standard in sanity land. [05:40]
mircea_popescu how it worked in romania of the 80s too. [05:40]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kaIZWjItReI [05:40]
ben_vulpes and on the other hand, well, nominal equity in a thing? [05:40]
ben_vulpes shit like... [05:40]
ben_vulpes I don’t believe payments to owners in professional services firms are the residual profits. And why should they be, when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital? In the implicit negotiation over distribution of revenue, the employees have all the bargaining power. The equity will be paid a fair return, but will not receive any structural [05:40]
ben_vulpes increases in revenue. On the other hand, [05:40]
ben_vulpes the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits. This view, while not the standard economic view, has the advantage of being supported by reality. (It also accounts for why non-partner-owned professional services firms tend to conglomerate, but that’s another post.)” [05:41]
ben_vulpes just rings too true for comfort though. [05:41]
ben_vulpes perhaps i'm insane or a particularly good scammer, but i can close deals that none of the programmers on staff could ever dream of. hilariously, because they're on staff. [05:41]
ben_vulpes but at the same time, because i'm not a nightmare to work with, i have a near-infinite sell wall of talent. [05:42]
ben_vulpes so basically i can't really figure anything out. [05:42]
ben_vulpes halp [05:42]
jurov "peristaltic, multi-tentacular infinite length dildos" ... guess it was inevitable someday on this chan [05:42]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes that made no sense. missing context ? [05:42]
ben_vulpes mk let's try again [05:43]
ben_vulpes "when the employees can leave and set up shop across the street with almost no need for equity capital" << this is absolutely true, except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc. [05:43]
ben_vulpes "the equity will continue to bear the majority of the variability in profits" << painfully true. [05:44]
mircea_popescu how is it true ? [05:44]
ben_vulpes devs clock time, get paid hours. simple maffs. [05:44]
Vexual ascicminer sinsures all itsa subsiduriaries? [05:45]
mircea_popescu it seems a rehash of "i could code mpex in an afternoon. you kidding, it has no css even" [05:45]
mircea_popescu if THAT is what is meant by "equity" the speaker is a retard. [05:45]
ben_vulpes for tax reasons, i clock infinity hours, get paid exactly the same amount (for medicare/aid purposes) each month. [05:45]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes essentially, i don't think you're proceeding on actually defined (or even considered) symbols. [05:46]
ben_vulpes that's certainly possible. [05:47]
mircea_popescu unrelatedly : the article does the valuable service of reminind people of volcker's potion. yes, interest rates WERE 20% in 81. [05:47]
mircea_popescu and yes it did work. and no, the bezzle wasn't as bad then as it is now. [05:47]
mircea_popescu and yes that's what i'd do as fed chairman : interest hike to 35%. [05:47]
ben_vulpes what's a reasonable set of symbols? [05:48]
mircea_popescu ben_vulpes these can be fine if you can actually explain them. so, how is it true ? [05:48]
Vexual everything mariio bros [05:48]
ben_vulpes so equity being ownership stake in derpy consulting co. [05:49]
ben_vulpes profits being that which is left over after paying out contractors, staff, rent etc. [05:49]
mircea_popescu i don't think you understand what equity is. [05:49]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yBjbHZrjckk fuck snow [05:49]
mircea_popescu equity is the accounting term for the philosophical notion of fairness. [05:50]
ben_vulpes ah. [05:50]
mircea_popescu so for instance : if you go fishing in my boat, [05:51]
mircea_popescu i have an equity interest in your fish. because it was my boat. [05:51]
cazalla Vexual, no idea, some people are pinning the theft on friedcat and provided a supposed chinese police report but turned out it was a .. random birth certificate [05:51]
mircea_popescu that equity is not the ownership of the boat, but an effect thereof. [05:52]
Vexual yeah busininess breed paranoia [05:52]
mircea_popescu this should readily resolve the apparent dilemma : if i do in fact have equity in your firm, it means i did something useful. [05:53]
mircea_popescu this means that if i hadn't the equity, it wouldn't be "the same thing". [05:53]
mircea_popescu right ? [05:53]
Vexual done and done [05:53]
Vexual verily [05:53]
Vexual ya can describe it otherwise, but the ounts unlike it [05:54]
Vexual https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ6FhS8jMHE [05:55]
ben_vulpes perhaps the dillema isn't so clear to me, likely due to symbolic confusion. [05:56]
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ben_vulpes let's try again. [05:56]
ben_vulpes i could freelance, at some rate - let's say 2BTC/hr [05:57]
ben_vulpes (impossible, but for rounding errors) [05:57]
mircea_popescu ok. [05:58]
ben_vulpes instead, i coordinate work of the type i could perform on my own. that work costs me, let's say .8B. i bill at ~1.8. on volume, my take home is ~1.5B/hr (assuming 40hrs/wk, 50wks/yr. salary equality assumptions, etc.). [05:59]
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mircea_popescu ok. [06:01]
mircea_popescu " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item) [06:02]
ben_vulpes the linked article on one hand doesn't make a terrific amount of sense to me because for whatever reason (perhaps i'm a particularly well-doing con man), i can sell into the buy side of "professional services" at rates that my "bankers" can't touch on their own. [06:03]
ben_vulpes on the other hand, during those thing months, the "bankers" walk with hours*rate, and i lose money. [06:03]
mircea_popescu that reason having a lot to do with the equity of your position, which you don't account for. [06:03]
mircea_popescu " my take home is ~1.5B/hr" [+ ??? B/hr in equity] [06:03]
ben_vulpes right, so we come back around to equity which i clearly don't understand formally. [06:04]
ben_vulpes yeah i have no idea how to account for that. [06:04]
mircea_popescu you do, yes. " except for the part where they have to close deals. make friends with checkbooks, convince checkbooks of non-retardation, etc" [06:04]
mircea_popescu those are all examples. [06:04]
ben_vulpes ouch. [06:06]
mircea_popescu hence my comment about "redoing mpex". the proposition that any two things are the same thing has serious problems in the marketplace. [06:06]
ben_vulpes actually, i totally get it all of a sudden. [06:06]
mircea_popescu yw. [06:06]
ben_vulpes Vexual: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlwLmyaa454 [06:06]
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ben_vulpes here's the thing that makes me discount my own equity though: [06:07]
ben_vulpes i can think of fifteen utterly moronic doodz doing running precisely the same hustle and making vastly more money at it. [06:07]
ben_vulpes 99% of that is likely attributable to simply how much longer they've been doing it for. [06:08]
mircea_popescu cash basis is a very poor accounting principle. [06:08]
mircea_popescu it's fundamentally what makes people chase college degrees instead of being plumbers ; and the impulse that makes people quit their job and take up gambling after a neighbour strikes the powerball., [06:09]
ben_vulpes ugh yeah and ofc shartups. [06:11]
ben_vulpes so here's the thing about shartups: [06:11]
mircea_popescu you're better off with equity than with cash, provided you can distinguish good from bad [06:11]
mircea_popescu cash has this advantage, that it's all the same. [06:12]
mircea_popescu currently, that all the same means equally bad. [06:12]
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ben_vulpes #bitcoin-assets, by the way, has made investing *harder* for me, not *easier*. [06:12]
mircea_popescu duh. [06:13]
ben_vulpes everything must be valued in not only dollar payouts, but twenty-one-millionth payouts. [06:13]
ben_vulpes and there's this impossible time horizon estimation problem that the "end of civilization" brings with it. [06:14]
ben_vulpes it's trivial to say "clearly whatever whatever power structure will fall over." [06:14]
ben_vulpes but fuck my life is it hard to put time horizons on that. [06:14]
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ben_vulpes i'm leaning towards the fiatbezzle right now. [06:15]
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ben_vulpes it's *gotta* have another 5 years left in it. [06:15]
mircea_popescu why ? [06:16]
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ben_vulpes i suppose that this is more properly spoken of in certainty intervals? [06:17]
mircea_popescu dude, i have nfi, im following here. you make a statement, i wanna see how you got to it [06:17]
ben_vulpes no, it's a good question. [06:17]
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ben_vulpes dude, i have nfi << me neither, i'm just a millwright trying to not starve this decade. [06:18]
mircea_popescu i don't think anyone in the wot ever actually starves. [06:19]
ben_vulpes hm, mebbe that's the attitude. [06:19]
ben_vulpes "fuck everything that happens, i'm in the wot." [06:19]
mircea_popescu incidentally, best sort of equity there is. [06:21]
ben_vulpes i don't know, man! it's one fifteen in the morning and i'm tearing my hair out over how to plan for just the next decade. [06:21]
ben_vulpes okay here's an argument for a protracted decline [06:22]
ben_vulpes migrations north are going to be slow. [06:22]
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ben_vulpes there are more or less 2 major thoroughfares, and they're pretty chokeable. [06:22]
mircea_popescu so ? [06:23]
mircea_popescu all you need to lose is 0.1% and you're finished. [06:23]
mircea_popescu a theoretical knowledge osama experimentally verified. [06:23]
ben_vulpes 0.1% of? [06:24]
mircea_popescu of the population. [06:25]
mircea_popescu "One of the hottest venture capital investment ideas–bankrolling office-supply discount chains–is starting to sour. In the past two years, investors poured nearly $200 million into at least 16 office-supply “supermarket” chains. But today, the flood of entrants threatens a market-share war, and the result may be hard times." [06:25]
ben_vulpes myeah well that's a given. [06:25]
mircea_popescu oh gawd, the 80s, time of bad hair, bad clothes and people who thought stapler discounters are a hot vc idea. [06:25]
ben_vulpes im not saying the *usg* has to hold the roads and rails. [06:26]
ben_vulpes merely that someone must. [06:27]
ben_vulpes http://dpaste.com/2NCFCMR.txt << relevant [06:31]
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ben_vulpes from "diamond age" [06:31]
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mircea_popescu ben_vulpes do you know this neumann guy ? [07:05]
mircea_popescu http://reactionwheel.net/2015/01/80s-vc.html << well documented stuff, i'd love to see him writing for qntra [07:05]
assbot Heat Death: Venture Capital in the 1980s | Reaction Wheel ... ( http://bit.ly/1CnIBqg ) [07:05]
mircea_popescu "When reading, keep in mind that I have so many conflicts of interest that I have conflicts in places where other people don’t even have interests." [07:07]
mircea_popescu bwahaha [07:07]
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mircea_popescu "If you think bankers make too much money, focusing on how much they are paid will get you nowhere. If they are not paid 50% of firm revenue, they will go to another bank that will pay them that much. If no bank will pay them that much, they will go start a new bank. If that sort of compensation is outlawed at any bank present or future, they will start a bank where they are the equity owners and get paid that much. Th [07:26]
mircea_popescu e money has to go somewhere, and it’s not going to go to the providers of capital because the providers of capital to professional services companies have no negotiating leverage." [07:26]
mircea_popescu quite exactly. [07:26]
mircea_popescu you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. [07:26]
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mircea_popescu and speaking of "what the consumer has come to expect" and related delusions, http://33.media.tumblr.com/ec04311fc14329e1162bffca1aa5b58c/tumblr_nbtmv2PZqK1segoz0o1_500.gif [07:30]
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cazalla so when did vessenes become involved in the foundation, from what i'm reading, it was gavin that floated and promoted the idea of it back in october 2011 (piecing together some history as suggested by.. who, i forget) [09:02]
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cazalla fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now [09:03]
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mircea_popescu goood mornin! [19:54]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039750 << it became politically inconvenient to admit it sometime last year. [19:54]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 11:58:59; cazalla: fwiw, vessenes' announcements that were once on bitcoinfoundation.org have been purged and only avail via archive.org now [19:54]
mircea_popescu but otherwise, the bit of history they're trying to purge is that vessennes was the head and treasurer of the thing, in total outrageous breach of common practice, and he got all the early bitcoin donated to it in his own name and used it for his own purposes. [19:55]
ascii_field if anyone actually gives a fuck about these, cache'em - archive.org can and has been prevailed upon to do the 'polite society' thing before [19:55]
mircea_popescu the current foundation is an embarassing shell, nothing but obligaitons for them so they're trying to shed it. [19:55]
assbot [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48900 @ 0.00036007 = 17.6074 BTC [-] {2} [19:56]
mircea_popescu ascii_field the derp party is slowly learning that they can not purge things. [19:56]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2015/the-fetlife-meatlist-volume-i/ << grep for "further update" in the same line. [19:56]
assbot The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgaO7 ) [19:56]
ascii_field their magical wand of 'let's all the folks who Know How The World Works (TM) pretend this Never Existed' still works great. [19:57]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039772 << this reminds me of the s.dice / s.mpoe duel of yore. [19:57]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 14:22:57; mike_c: it has been foretold that once s.qntra and s.mpoe cross, BTC will reach ATH. [19:57]
mircea_popescu http://trilema.com/2013/smpoe-market-cap-vs-sdice-market-cap/ stuff [19:58]
assbot S.MPOE market cap vs S.DICE market cap pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1AXgxYZ ) [19:58]
mircea_popescu ascii_field yeah. this is how it works : http://www.demotivation.us/media/demotivators/demotivation.us__ENVY-It-Wears-a-Coat-and-Hides-in-Hallways-1.jpg [19:59]
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mircea_popescu they're great at wearing coats and hiding in hallways. [19:59]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039794 << no, make larger blocks! [20:02]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 15:33:29; fluffypony: reduce the transaction history to like 30 [20:02]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039804 << bankers, in that example. [20:02]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 16:25:01; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you don't pay free men what you want to pay them. you pay half of what you make or you die at their hands. << l0l, why only half? why not 100% plus one's saleable organs? and who are 'free men' ? [20:02]
mircea_popescu but generally, liberal professions / highly skilled professionals. which pointedly does not include coding monkeys, as per us law. [20:02]
ascii_field doesn't include anyone who works on a salary (how'd that work ?) [20:03]
mircea_popescu depends. [20:03]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039824 << scam. [20:03]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 18:38:25; *: adlai is glad he's not running a profit center with [the current version of] scalpl... it would've lost ~5% by now, by btc accounting [20:03]
ascii_field folks who are in one of the traditionally recognized guilds - possibly [20:04]
ascii_field (programmers blew their chance to establish a guild long, long ago) [20:04]
mircea_popescu pretty much erryone but you, alf. models promoting consumer items. athletes. lawyers. financial anythings. business consultants. you name it [20:04]
mircea_popescu millions and millions of people. just not naggum. [20:04]
ascii_field interestingly, he understood the fact, the how, and the why - actually studied, at one point before he gave up, to become a lawyer (in no.) [20:05]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039838 << interesting'd not be the word i use. [20:05]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:01; ascii_field: interesting that this kind of thing can be done to a general and former cia fuhrer [20:06]
mircea_popescu ascii_field ancient article on trilema, back in romanian decade, "half of the revenue or gtfo". [20:06]
mircea_popescu and also included "your job is to sell me on how much leverage you put at my disposal to make that revenue, nothing else." [20:07]
adlai "scam"? [20:07]
ascii_field the cost of replacing naggums with 'code monkeys' to prevent the guild will be paid for 1000 years. [20:07]
mircea_popescu !s scam [20:07]
mircea_popescu it [20:07]
assbot 2395 results for 'scam' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=scam [20:07]
mircea_popescu s what we say! [20:07]
ascii_field and much higher than would've cost otherwise. [20:07]
mircea_popescu ascii_field it doesn't count unless it's on the pointed end of a stick. [20:07]
ascii_field *of having replaced [20:07]
mircea_popescu that's the thing all the castrato "experts" with "degrees" fail to grasp. it doesn't matter what "reality" is, may be thought to be, could be inferred etc. [20:08]
mircea_popescu if you don't have a pointed stick driving it, it's not real. [20:08]
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ascii_field stick's pretty sharp, i'm sitting on it as we speak [20:09]
ascii_field as is ben_vulpes, and a buncha folks [20:09]
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mircea_popescu you misunderstand. the other way. [20:09]
mircea_popescu the " cost of replacing naggums" way. [20:09]
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ascii_field at this point they need to pray to the gods, possibly no amount of naggum will suffice [20:10]
mircea_popescu entirely besides the point. [20:10]
ascii_field the very concept that software could actually work in the sense in which other engineered objects work, is nearly forgotten [20:11]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039839 << what men ? [20:11]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 19:01:13; ascii_field: nobody, evidently thought 'what if he calls his men to arms?' [20:11]
ascii_field (see today's log for example) [20:11]
mircea_popescu they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club. [20:11]
mircea_popescu think about hassling beria in that manner. [20:11]
ascii_field kryuchkov had nobody either [20:12]
ascii_field had to eat his pistol [20:12]
ascii_field same deal. [20:12]
mircea_popescu right. [20:12]
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mircea_popescu and for that matter, beria actually picked up women off the street, raped them for a while and then dropped them off. [20:13]
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mircea_popescu so, logically speaking, if the cia were anything like a secret service, we'd know who exactly is^H^H was the lizzard hitler by grepping sudden deaths for warfarin. [20:19]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039846 << guess. [20:22]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 19:04:57; ascii_field: why is the cia described in the past tense ?!?! [20:22]
mircea_popescu it's like the nsa. a corpse. [20:23]
mircea_popescu ;;later tell gabriel_laddel http://40.media.tumblr.com/da726933b1b7585ef15ad310503b7381/tumblr_muu0t7ryeg1sh4jg7o1_500.jpg [20:24]
gribble The operation succeeded. [20:24]
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mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039855 << someone still has to make a bitcoin host already. [20:27]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 19:16:01; lobbes: Anyone have a good recommendation? [20:27]
mircea_popescu lobbes anyway, stop running vps' get a damned server. it's not THAT much. [20:28]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039897 << this is actually a decent point. [20:30]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 19:44:37; danielpbarron: assbot should also accept a link to an ascii armored public key like deedbot; not sure why it still depends on a keyserver and fingerprints [20:30]
lobbes mircea_popescu: You mean a physical server in my own abode? or just leasing a 'dedicated server' somewhere? [20:33]
lobbes I'd imagine the latter would fall prey to the same issues as a vps [20:33]
lobbes ultimately out of my control [20:33]
mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-03-2015#1039918 << i dun think the guy's much online anymore. [20:33]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 19:48:15; NewLiberty: SSL won't stop WCCP intermediaries or anyone with #enable (or better) in your path, but it keeps the lesser evils at bay. [20:33]
mircea_popescu lobbes ideally, colocate. but otherwise, sure, get a dedi, if they start discussing what you run on it tell them to get lost./ [20:34]
mircea_popescu no, it would not. it bein g... your server. [20:34]
mircea_popescu if you want to run it at 100% doing shell forks for five months, your problem. [20:34]
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mircea_popescu Subject: Programmer | Designer | Coder @ $599/month onwards From: "Patricia Jones" [20:41]
mircea_popescu dude srsly ? [20:41]
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mircea_popescu Hi, Do you have a plan to expand your team by hiring an affordable virtual resource? We offer dedicated resources for your project needs, with free project management support. [20:46]
lobbes I love that term; 'resources' [20:46]
PeterL seems rather vague, what are the actually trying to sell? [20:47]
mircea_popescu nothing. [20:47]
mircea_popescu for 599 a month. [20:47]
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cazalla scoopbot -fetch [21:02]
NewLiberty "free project management support" = they'll spend your money for you and won't charge more than the money that they spend for you? [21:03]
cazalla no offense PeterL but scoopbot is the worst bot evar [21:03]
cazalla http://qntra.net/2015/03/antonopoulos-afp-ag-ato-appear-before-australian-senate/ [21:03]
assbot Antonopoulos, AFP, AG & ATO Appear Before Australian Senate | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1GPbNFm ) [21:03]
PeterL sorry, cazalla [21:03]
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gabriel_laddel mircea_popescu: ewww [21:04]
BingoBoingo What, those are some tig ole bitties [21:04]
gabriel_laddel you kid, correct? [21:05]
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gabriel_laddel in other news: http://www.shadbase.com/black-humor/ [21:08]
assbot Shädbase - Black Humor ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ne3XJV ) [21:08]
BingoBoingo Sometimes you have to look past everything else and jsut acknowledge some big titties. [21:08]
gabriel_laddel myeah. no. [21:08]
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pete_dushenski https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B_INR8ZXIAIIs2q.jpg << lulzy shot of coinbase orderbook, allegedly from earlier today, showing an order for *negative* bitcoin [22:07]
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adlai pete_dushenski: where's that from? [22:08]
pete_dushenski guy on twitter, lemme find the link [22:09]
asciilifeform pay'em to take it away [22:09]
pete_dushenski https://twitter.com/KyleHolzhauer/status/572534708594208770 [22:09]
assbot /coinbase what's going on here... Shenanigans I tell ya http://t.co/Skb7C0FLkp [22:09]
cazalla seen a few variations of that pop up [22:10]
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pete_dushenski remarkable.. [22:11]
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adlai i'm ashamed to admit that i have no clue what idiocy could produce such an error [22:11]
Pierre_Rochard tried it myself, got “Invalid size” error. May be an API bug (or photoshopped) [22:11]
cazalla was here a week back http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2x24lp/what_do_negative_bids_mean_coinbase_exchange/ [22:11]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard hello hello ! [22:11]
assbot What do negative bids mean? (Coinbase Exchange) : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELmolF ) [22:11]
cazalla client side apparently.. not that i'd know [22:12]
Pierre_Rochard pete_dushenski: hello! how’s the new ride been treating you? [22:12]
pete_dushenski lol it's rock solid in the winter [22:12]
pete_dushenski starts up every time [22:13]
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Pierre_Rochard do you need chains on the wheels or are they civilized enough to sweep? [22:13]
nubbins` hi [22:13]
pete_dushenski nubbins`heyo [22:13]
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pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard they plow, sweep, etc. plus i have blizzak winter tires [22:13]
pete_dushenski https://bitcoinmagazine.com/19465/breaking-canadian-exchange-quadrigacx-become-worlds-first-publicly-traded-bitcoin-exchange/ << i met the owner of this thing last year, gerald [22:14]
assbot Breaking: Canadian Exchange QuadrigaCX to Become World’s First Publicly Traded Bitcoin Exchange – Bitcoin Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELmFF6 ) [22:14]
pete_dushenski at the time it seemed like a basement operation [22:14]
pete_dushenski now, going 'public' [22:14]
nubbins` dat feb state of bitcoin address [22:15]
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Pierre_Rochard ^ what I’m waiting for is an exchange with segregated fiat accounts held by a custodian bank. May be wishful thinking [22:16]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard so basically a bank you already know and trust with a btc trading platform [22:16]
Pierre_Rochard not necessarily the same entity but in practice yes [22:17]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: http://cryptome.org/2015-info/guardian-redact/guardian-redact.htm << wtf ? [22:18]
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asciilifeform (who filmed ?) [22:18]
asciilifeform or was it idiot after-the-fact mock-up [22:19]
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asciilifeform mircea_popescu: they have nothing. this is proof positive that the cia is as worthless as the vassar feminist book club; think about hassling beria in that manner << to be fair, p. was no longer heading anything when he was 'flushed'. [22:20]
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asciilifeform hruschev was a whole gensec and what did that get him after retirement. [22:21]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: I may have to watch again less drunk, but I believe Poitras was behind the camera most of the time. [22:21]
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BingoBoingo Hello MartinPonce [22:21]
pete_dushenski asciilifeform i'm guessing after the fact. [22:21]
nubbins` for those of you who collect shiny things: [22:21]
nubbins` https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=975256.0 [22:21]
assbot Casascius 0.5 BTC Silver Series-2 physical bitcoin: NO RESERVE, 30-DAY AUCTION ... ( http://bit.ly/1F6Zxiw ) [22:21]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard anything new on your end these days ? any accounting software updates ? [22:24]
asciilifeform mircea_popescu: beria actually picked up women... << based on the sources, i don't regard it as a solid historical fact [22:24]
gabriel_laddel http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=03-03-2015#1039672 [22:26]
assbot Logged on 03-03-2015 08:58:24; mircea_popescu: " They also remember the high-tech crash of 1984, and the screams of pain up and down Wall Street." << heh it nearly killed gaming altogether, and is responsible for killing consoles. (yes they still exist, but gaming is essentially a pc item) [22:26]
gabriel_laddel ^ ummm... http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/01/playstation-4-passes-18-5-million-sales-worldwide/ [22:26]
assbot PlayStation 4 passes 18.5 million sales worldwide | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELo12U ) [22:26]
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Pierre_Rochard pete_dushenski: I’ve split the accounting logic from the webapp so that it’s just a python package. Cleaner and decrufted. Getting close to a stable-enough version to write up documentation [22:27]
gabriel_laddel as for the original PSP, 76.3 million sales (as of March 31, 2012) [22:27]
gabriel_laddel (worldwide) [22:28]
pete_dushenski Pierre_Rochard awesome [22:28]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: One of the safest assumptions from the film though is that one of the core group of Snowden journalists had at some poin been turned or always was an unsavory side vegetable. Likely Greenwald, likely before meeting snowden in HK. [22:30]
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BingoBoingo http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2008/02/26/sand_wont_save_you_this_time.php [22:32]
assbot Sand Won't Save You This Time. In the Pipeline: ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELotOq ) [22:32]
BingoBoingo ^ Potentially useful for home 100nm IC fab [22:33]
nubbins` pete_dushenski re: quadriga going public, here's the exchange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Securities_Exchange [22:36]
assbot Canadian Securities Exchange - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1ELp1Ec ) [22:36]
BingoBoingo http://web.archive.org/web/20060318221608/http://www.airproducts.com/nr/rdonlyres/8479ed55-2170-4651-a3d4-223b2957a9f3/0/safetygram39.pdf [22:37]
pete_dushenski nubbins` ayup. [22:38]
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decimation pete_dushenski: segregated fiat? like 100% reserve, physical bills laying in a warehouse? [22:41]
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nubbins` uh, what? [22:43]
nubbins` quadrigacx lets you deposit gold [22:43]
decimation nubbins`: can you withdraw gold? [22:44]
nubbins` yes [22:44]
nubbins` RCM 1oz bars [22:44]
BingoBoingo nubbins`: Dunchu No, U let everyone deposit everything and just hope some sort of market stability sticks [22:44]
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asciilifeform gabriel_laddel: notice how the remaining consoles are lightly-modified x86 boxes internally ? [22:45]
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nubbins` wild [22:45]
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nubbins` gold->btc easier if this works [22:45]
pete_dushenski decimation lol don't ask me, it's Pierre_Rochard's fantasy [22:47]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: And the previous generation PowerPC. Pure Apple style trechery. [22:47]
pete_dushenski BingoBoingo which new console is running powerpc guts ? [22:48]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: actually no secret why. no one (and i mean no one) is making a serious serial-execution non-x86 cpu today [22:48]
asciilifeform no one. [22:48]
BingoBoingo pete_dushenski: Neither, but the Ms360 and PS3 were bother powerPC [22:49]
decimation I don't think we yanks can send money to canadian banks [22:49]
pete_dushenski heh, who knew that i have a powerpc collecting dust at home! [22:49]
pete_dushenski decimation paypal. [22:50]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Amazing the damage a single decade does [22:50]
assbot AMAZING COMPANY! [22:50]
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decimation pete_dushenski: paypal does canadian EFT? [22:50]
Pierre_Rochard decimation: this is about separating the traders’ cash from the exchange’s cash. Comingling of funds is not a good idea, as you point out it can lead to “fractional reserve” by the exchange (more precisely, defalcation) [22:51]
pete_dushenski decimation it does indeed. [22:51]
gabriel_laddel asciilifeform: Nope. [22:51]
decimation Pierre_Rochard: yeah that makes sense [22:52]
BingoBoingo Then again the PowerPC console generation came as Apple left the architecture and IBM wanted anyone else to jsutify its continued work there [22:52]
asciilifeform plenty of ppc in usg proprietary machinery [22:52]
decimation Pierre_Rochard: I kinda assumed that non-scam exchanges would do this, but apparently nobody can resist [22:52]
asciilifeform (but not enough for a legit commercial fab to turn a profit unless 'favourite son') [22:52]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: The value of the game consoles was the illusion of volume [22:53]
BingoBoingo Or illusion of viability through volume [22:53]
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BingoBoingo But M$ in particular hit the same issues that sent Apple away "Red Ring of Death" [22:54]
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gabriel_laddel "illusion of volume" << ? [23:02]
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BingoBoingo gabriel_laddel: Intended meaning one line lower. Vodka time [23:03]
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BingoBoingo http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm#Q-META-CSS-STYLE >> Last word on design ever [23:03]
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BingoBoingo And the only thing about Javascript that matters is >> http://www.ntp.org/ntpfaq/NTP-a-faq.htm#AEN562 [23:05]
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decimation BingoBoingo: that CIF3 stuff is nasty [23:20]
BingoBoingo decimation: Of course it is, but... semiconductor lithography... In the neighbor's shed! [23:21]
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BingoBoingo ;;ticker --market all [23:33]
gribble Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 281.84, vol: 18796.51371096 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 278.38, vol: 19043.02781 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 283.73, vol: 78418.16176281 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 282.3469, vol: 147610.75430000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 278.35492, vol: 22.49694774 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 287.325999989, vol: 177.90471922 | Volume-weighted last average: 282.438491329 [23:33]
decimation re: petraeus < I said they would never prosecute, and I'm not sure if I'm right or not [23:40]
decimation it will be interesting to see how he is sentenced [23:40]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: read the ClF3 link again, notice that it is used in si fab solely for cleaning tools. [23:41]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Sure, but cleaning after the fact is the next best thing to starting from a clean workspace [23:41]
BingoBoingo decimation: Basically it seems the objective of the scandal was to keep him out of national politics. Mission accomplished as it rarely is. [23:42]
asciilifeform the gas is merely one of 1,000 reasons why the fab costs what it does. [23:42]
asciilifeform it is interesting to compare, in this respect, the semiconductor industry to... nuclear one [23:43]
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asciilifeform entirely workable schemes ('intrinsically safe' reactors made of pellets, etc.) have been proposed for reasonably inexpensive fission plants for home use [23:44]
asciilifeform no one was in a great hurry to buy - but there were designs [23:44]
asciilifeform si fab on the other hand: [23:44]
asciilifeform zilch. [23:44]
BingoBoingo Sure, Just cutting out safety seems to open a number of options. Like it does in batteries. [23:44]
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asciilifeform BingoBoingo: cutting out completely looks rather like this: http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg [23:47]
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decimation BingoBoingo: that's an interesting angle on petraeus (keeping him out of politics) [23:47]
decimation of course nearly everyone in washington is guilty of exactly the same crimes [23:47]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: for most engineered items, even for suicide soldiers, one finds something less extreme [23:47]
decimation yeah, nuclear reactors are actually pretty simple in principle [23:48]
asciilifeform decimation: how many usg employees that were once dealing in official secrets would come up entirely clean if their belongings were searched ? as in, not even a 'post-it note' [23:48]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Well, but I imagine applications of walking biodiesel [23:48]
decimation asciilifeform: well, look at that diane roark chick [23:49]
BingoBoingo decimation: The thing is he took the post as an active duty officer and the affair itself presented another potentially chargeable crime. [23:49]
decimation agents took nearly all of her personal papers and 'decided' which ones were actually classified at their own discretion [23:49]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: these only get 'clintonized' if someone wills it to happen [23:49]
decimation then they argue that the courts are not able to decide these matters [23:49]
asciilifeform BingoBoingo: because subject 'needs to have problems' [23:49]
decimation BingoBoingo: yes, but under the ucmj [23:49]
BingoBoingo decimation: But UMCJ would have applied. Part of the way to defanging nation. [23:50]
decimation BingoBoingo: eh? [23:51]
BingoBoingo asciilifeform: Of course. Petraeus's greatest problem was going as high as a primate could go. Purely sublizard being [23:51]
decimation someone at DOJ had an agenda against him [23:51]
BingoBoingo decimation: Higher you go the more UCMJ hit if it is applied [23:51]
decimation everything usg does has a civil servant with an agenda behind it [23:51]
decimation BingoBoingo: yeah, but instead he's going to jail instead of taking a demotion [23:53]
decimation I don't get how that is even in the same ballpark [23:53]
BingoBoingo decimation: Hasn't been sentenced yet. Anyways UCMJ provides for the occasional death penalty [23:54]
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  1. nereida`s avatar
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    nereida 
    Sunday, 12 April 2020

    Hi, I read your stuff daily. Your humoristic style is awesome, keep doing whuat you're doing!

  2. Mircea Popescu`s avatar
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    Mircea Popescu 
    Sunday, 12 April 2020

    I guess I'm gonna, yeah.

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